Watch What Crappens - RHOSLC: Living On a Prayer (?)

Episode Date: February 19, 2021

Also avail as video on Crappens On Demand http://bit.ly/crappensvideo It's Part 2 of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Reunion. Lisa still can't figure out who Heather is, Mary cries over her romance with bags, and Lisa loses her damn mind. This week's bonus is a completely shallow judging sesh of Top Chef's new contestants. Find it at https://patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens**We designed lots of face masks for Bravo lovers available at crappensmerch.com A portion of sales go to MedShare!Our Patreon Extras: https://patreon.com/watchwhatcrappensSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey, Prime members, you can listen to watch what crap ends at free on Amazon Music. Download the app today. Get ready for a double load of Queen of Hearts. It's me, Jujubee, and I return to guide sexy singles through some ronchy blind dates. Cameras off. Voice only. Launching during pride. Queen of Hearts takes Miami by storm, with Daeders' Cuppe from Tampa Bayes, Just Chaz and Brittany Brave to name a few. Follow Queen of Hearts on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, but people are running around. Kids, what happens, what happens? So much that happens. Whoa, hello, and welcome to Watch What Crappens. The podcast for all that crap we just love to talk about on Geo Props, okay?

I'm Ronnie, and over there's Ben. Hi, Ben. Hey, Ronnie, what's up? How's it going, dude? We're on demand today, so we can see each other. Ben looks very preppy and handsome. He's like in a, Thank you.

plaid, but it should be a grunge plaid, but it's like preppy plaid and he's got a little. No, it's full grunge. Look, it is. It's preppy. It's for you, I guess. I think it's just you and this preppy. And, um,

he's facial hair going on, little hair cut. You look very cute. Thank you. I didn't have time to shave this morning because I opted to make cookies. So, you know, that's what life is. And I'm currently, my entire midsection is being squeezed into some shorts. And it's like, I wonder why that is while I simultaneously

be cookies on Thursday morning for no reason. Yeah. I'm in Texas still. Obviously, there's no escaping it. And it's still bloody hell here. It's snowing again outside. So that's great. Uh, so boiling snow water for like doing everything really boiling a lot of snow water. And I'm actually running out of snow water. And I'm like, well, am I going to complain that because I'm

about to get down to the dirt part? And I'm like, Oh, yeah. And I don't want to be having to like filter the snow water and So fuck it mess, okay, like look at my face. I need to shave. I need to I had to use like snow water to wipe off all my Eyebuggers on my face. I look like I'm cocooning like my face was becoming a cocoon. Okay, I'm dirty I smell like a gas station like my face was becoming a cocoon okay i'm dirty i smell like a gas station over it well you know what maybe maybe you should write a letter to your senator who i'm

sure is going through the same hardships that you are oh sure i'll just send that over to cancun okay Ted Cruz you fuck face true fuck face this place unbelievable i have to tell you this place They send out a notice everything shut down We can't even get food here because the grocery stores can't get food in them because the fucking trucks can't get on the road Because no one knows what to do no one has water or electricity So what do they do they announce a rate hike on? They announced a rate

A rate on what on utilities of electricity specifically They are the ones who fucked up. Oh, it's so frustrating. And then I've got my mother sending me over. I sent some, like, some meme I saw that said, 2020 was hell, and then in 2021, hell froze over. And I was like, ha, ha, ha, and we're like on a family text thing. So I sent that to them thinking, well, that's funny. And then I got my mother sending me over. I sent some, like, some meme I saw that said, 2020 was hell, and then in 2021, hell froze over. And I was like, ah, we're like on a family text thing. So I sent that to them thinking,

well, that's funny, you know, it was not going to start any fights. And then she sends one back saying, um, yeah, hell froze over because Joe Biden got elected. And I was like, oh, really? So I started, I just started it. Okay. Sending her all these like, electric company is off the national grid

because the Republicans want to do it. I'm about to say, what, what, what, what? I won't, you know what, I won't even say. I won't even say. You said it for me. Yeah, I avoid politics in general on this show, but like interfamily politics is just I guess for everybody right now And this country is just so

Tenduous anyway like trying to keep family members in the midst of fights like this But then add this on top of it and it's like, you know what? I really at the end of the day I just want to clean my butt like can I just clean my butt? Can we not fight right now? None of us have clean butts right now Okay, can we just clean my butt? Can we not fight right now? None of us have clean butts right now. Okay. Can we just put on that? Sometimes, thank you. Because sometimes I just want to say there's a lot of craziness going on in the world. But can we just focus on trivial things? Like the fact that yesterday was Paris Eldens birthday and Kyle Richards posted on Instagram

a photo with her and Parisaseldin and said, wow, Paris, who would have thought that you would have, when you grew up, we would be twins. Because you spent your whole adult life getting surgeries to look like Paris helped and you fucking crazy baby. It is just like the thirstiest, most hilarious thing ever and just like this carousel of photos of Kyle with Paraseldon.

And she's like the only niece that she seems to do it for. Maybe she does it for Nikki. But there are like a lot of nieces out there. Like what about Kim's kids? What about, like, there are a lot of spawn out there. And whoa, but Paras, oh my God, Kyle is front and center with that, like, who do you thought we'd just be twins you a beautiful 30 something and me looking like a beautiful 30 something we're just two twins God Kyle Richards fuck Kyle Richards, but the great irony of it all is that was also Denise Richards birthday

So I just I for some reason I just love that I just love love that it's like her day of like Paris Joy is tainted by Denise Richards. Yeah, you're never gonna escape Denise Richards Kyle. Yeah. So yeah, so disasters all over. You know, Stone here, Kyle Richards. I hold Ted Cruz accountable for this too, by the way. This is totally Ted Cruz's fault as well. Well, in some way, in some way. They're dobsmacked at the dumb fuckery, honestly. So you're welcome because today you're gonna get an extra angry me, okay? Good, I've already said.

The F word about 30 times. So those of you listening with your kids, sorry, okay? Yeah, that's ever fucking told you to do that. Yeah, you shouldn't be listening to this with your kids. You almost shouldn't even be listening to this. I don't know why people listen to us. So, um, uh, well, you know, it's appropriate that you're stuck in the snow because today we're talking about like city reunion, which has a very snowy set. So it's almost like you're at the reunion yourself, Ronnie, except you're not wearing a ball gown or an ill-fitted ball gown at that. You know, um, I do do wanna talk a little bit

about Meredith's looks some more because someone online really pointed out why, like why it was so terrible. If you really look at it closely, the buttons don't even line up on the front. The Hems are like stitched together poorly and the bra is showing and it's all messed up. So I kind of felt like I wanted to throw,

like do some retroactive shade on that outfit, just because again, we all know that Brooks picked it out for her, right? So just wanted to get, just want to start on that tone. I mean, I felt like it was covered when I said it looks like a tap dance recital outfit. You know, that's exactly how those come. It's like one button's up here.

That's true. The button's down here. Um, yeah, Meredith is kind of a mess, but I'm actually getting kind of worried about her because it looks like she's auditioning for Golden Pond, like, Uncle D'In Pon, that's an fond of me. I mean, what the hell? She's shaking so bad. I'm starting to worry.

And I have these pills left over from my dog when he had surgery Like in case he got the shakes or whatever and I just want to like send him over with a note that says engage with these I'm worried about you Meredith. Okay. Okay, so tonight the job drawing Part two Selects it in here, it was jaw dropping. And I had like stress dreams with Heather and them all my long. I'm not even lying. I had like dreams of like every time I like woke up,

I'd go back to sleep again and Heather was in my dream again. It's like Heather Krueger. Heather yelling. Yeah, they're yelling over every. I have to say, you know, Heather is a favorite on this show. I really like Heather on this show. I hope she's on it forever. I think she's a really good anchor for it.

She's really entertaining for the most part. I like her journey of thinking that it's really hard being a privileged white blonde woman. Like I love it, I think it's really cute. But she's kind of the mean one, right? I mean, in the middle of the reunion, I was like, wait a minute, Heather's the asshole here. Like Heather's been the asshole to literally everybody in here, and Heather's just sitting

there getting away with it, and then she does the housewives thing or the me thing, where you just keep talking so that no one can argue with you. So? Yeah, I was starting to feel that way to you. Like, I actually, I love Heather. I, I, it doesn't diminish that I love Heather, but I was starting to have a feeling later on where I was like, wait a second, you know, Lisa is supposed to be our villain here, but I'm not sure I necessarily

disagree with her on all her points. I'm sort of like, I was like, hmm, but we'll get into that. You know, I'm ready to, I'm, I'm ready to hate Lisa, okay? Yeah. And you know, you need to get villain on these shows, and I'm totally ready to hate her, but this And you know, you need to get villain on these shows, and I'm totally ready to hate her. But this show just keeps changing it up on you. Like we're supposed to hate Jen,

and like we said last week, Jen is kind of not coming out as the evil person in this because they're all coming after her so hard. And she's for the most part just staying chill and saying, sorry, you know? So. Yeah, I think Heather is kind of in her emotions

and by kind of, I mean, a lot. And I think it's really bringing out a crazy side of her that we see. And also, I can I really be that mad at least. I mean, she like literally was just chopping up some butternut squash and came out on stage. And, you know, like, I have to respect someone who's roasting squash before the reunion, right?

I mean, that's why her hands were all shades of orange, right? I mean, wow, those really look like you look like you literally got your hand caught in the cookie jar. She literally went up to a spray canner and said, can I touch? And she literally touched the spray canner. And now it's here. Now it's like, she looks like she was making cookies and then started doing it with her

hands so she could lick her hands after, you know, as we do. And then just went on stage with it. It's like she spilled turmeric on herself. I was carving a pumpkin. Okay. So we get little previews and then, you know, everybody's sitting back down to their chairs and they're having to like lift Jen's shawl to like place it in her chair. I'm like, you know, that that looks like a bed bath and beyond super long bath rug, right? Like this show cracks me like every second of this show was cracking me up. Yeah. Um, and then they're all doing their top jobs. And Andy's like, Hey, Lisa Rennah just texted and she said, please tell the Salt Lake City City ladies I'm a huge fan of where people doing coke and anyone's bathroom and was Gia involved. Wow, she really took over that

storyline. And we're back. Bold and unfiltered Pentecostal first lady Mary. Like who wrote that sentence? And I was very proud of Andy for getting that out because normally Andy's tongue would have just like fallen out of his mouth during that Bold and unfiltered Pentecostal first lady Mary That's a strong sense of smell and an even stronger sense of smell I think look I already said a filtered Pentecostal first lady Mary. All right, you guys deal with the rest Yeah, she has a strong sense of self,

but an even stronger sense of smell, but nothing was stronger than people's opinions about her marriage to her grandfather. Yes. And then we got our Mary montage. We should also preface this by saying this was a merry, heavy episode. And it was kind of everything I could have dreamed of. It was as crazy and problematic and cringeworthy and nutty as,

it's like I've been waiting for this. Like straight, some straight up Mary injected into my veins and it was madness. It was pure madness and then just when it was, like it was just like a T-Rex of Mary followed by a velociraptor of Lisa. It was kind of a perfect hour for me. Yeah, um, and this Mary montage, I mean it really goes to show that you just forget everything that

happens when you watch housewives because it's always so crazy. But seeing all of these Mary things put together, I mean, saying like, well there was a hospital smell and then being like diabetes, I mean, who does if that just drinks some water? And the black people in front of 7-11 thing and they're scared, Mary telling Whitney that the girls are scared of Jen and then Jen losing it, throwing the glass. I mean, it was just the whole thing was glorious. Yeah, when we come out of the montage of the glass throwing Whitney's like, this is still so hard to watch and when the Heather goes, I loved it. I'm as great. So Andy asks Mary, so what will the deal with you going to get out your sweat glands?

What was that about again? And she says, well, condition I have, I have a condition in my family called hydrinitis and my system attacked my glands and they caused boils and then 70% of my body had boils on them. Well, I mean, and by the way, I looked this up because at first I was like, is this a real thing? And then I did some Google searches and I couldn't find anything on it because I

misspelled it, but it is a real condition. So I will not make fun of it. But that apparently explains that. I was like, I feel like there's a joke in here to be made about real housewives and boils on the skin, but I couldn't really formulate it. So I'm just gonna move forward. I don't wanna do a half-assed boil joke that winds up being somehow very offensive. So you don't wanna get the hydrinitis people after you.

You don't wanna get the boil. Listen, it's a plague. So Andy's like, well, Heather, you're in the beauty business. Have you ever heard anything like this? She goes, no, but I'd love to market it. She's like, I mean, can you remove them? She don't have to be out. And he says, well, you know, Mary's like, no, no, that's not how it works. That's not how it works. So, and he says, well, you said about Jen's aunt just needing to drink some water. It was pretty mean. Says Donnie

from Donnie Brook. So, how are you a first lady talking my dad Mary? Come on Mary! And Mary is like well you know I was very aggravated. He's like but you said just drink some water. Okay that's what you said. She's like well I was I was out of it because it kept coming up. It just kept coming up and she's like blinking really fast and Jen's, it was hurtful. I mean, this is like my mom, okay? And Mary is like, well, there's no excuse for it. There's no excuse for it.

I said it and I apologize. I said it on frustration. I would never just say Jen smells like hospital. I mean, I would never just say that. You know, there would obviously have to be a very good reason. I love that there has to be a very good reason to say that someone smells like hospital.

So Andy's like, well, what was the trigger there? And then that's when Jen reveals she hadn't even gone to the hospital that day. Yeah, that's the headline. Yeah, I was like, that was the headline, so what were you smelling? If you weren't smelling hospital, she goes, I smelled hospital still. I'm so smelted. Someone smelled hospital still. I still smelled it. Someone smelled like hospital. Well, you couldn't have smelled hospital

because I was at the hospital and she's like, but I did smell hospital. He's like, so wait a minute. I like when Andy gets all the end of 2020, where he's like, wait, I've got it. I finally figured out what the killer is. He's like, so wait, so your older glands were removed, but you can still smell?

And she's like, that's not how it works. I was like, he's like, it's like, is that a dig? Yeah, she says, that's a dig, Ami. He's like, he's like, no, I'm just saying, Hinch. And she goes, and Jen's like, don't you think it's insensitive to say it, which I still love that we're still debating, like the insensitivity of saying hospitals smell. Yeah, so Jen's like, you know, if I'm going through a traumatic thing, and Mary says, I apologize over and over and over and over. Okay, I apologize.

And she's like, well, you know what, that's the first time you've ever apologized for me. And she goes, no, it's not. I apologize on television. So then we cut to her apologizing on television. And she's like, that wasn't sincere. And she goes, don't tell me I'm not sincere. She goes, well, I just accepted it because it was Miris birthday, but I was still mad. Okay. And then Lisa, out of nowhere, just mutters, I hate hospitals, I don't wanna touch, I don't love that, I don't love that. And then they're just yelling over each other.

And Marry, Mary's like, you're not accepting my apology is on you, you've never apologized to me. And Jan's like, did you even hear me? You didn't even say it cause you didn't know what I was saying and you said it and you didn't know what I was saying. It smells like my hospital smell. Bwah, wah, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell, smell. And then, and she, yeah, Jen's like, then Jen says,

no, I'm not asking for an apology. I'm just explaining. And Mary goes, she's like, you're wasting, you know, you're wasting a lot of time. We got a lot of cards. Like Andy's cards. Yeah.

And he's like, but Jen's so funny because she goes, I want you to say, I'm sorry again. Well, I don't want you to say, I'm sorry. You just said you wanted to say, you're sorry.

I know. So Jason from Provo says, Mary, I can't believe you to say I'm sorry. You just said you wanted to say you're sorry. I know. So Jason from Provo says, Mary, I can't believe that you said you won't go into a 7-11. If you saw black people outside, how would you feel if someone didn't go inside a 7-11? If your son was standing outside the door, and Mary's like, no, it's not true. I didn't say that.

I just, I have a fear of when guys are standing out in front of convenience stores. And Andy goes, black guys. She's like, no, no, no, no, no, I'm black. My son is black, and I don't know. And he's like, so you have a fear of standing in front of convenience stores? Were you attacked in front of a convenience store?

Which, if she was, I was sort of like an indelicate way. I'm just like broaching this. There's a lot of that. And these indelicate's see is beautiful today with Mary because he doesn't even know how to handle her. But I think that they've told him, like, look, you have to go hard for Mary because people are pissed. Like, we put a coat leader who's stealing all this money from people

and like, supposedly allegedly. Like, you've got it. We have to question her because people are having a fit right. So he was being so hilariously like non-sensitive with Mary the whole time. Yes. So he's like, so were you attacked in front of a convenience store? And she's like, no. And Lisa goes, well you did admit saying it. Remember, you did admit saying that you were afraid of back people in front of a convenience store? She goes, I did not admit that. I admit it, I did admit saying that you were afraid of black people in front of a convenient store. She goes, I did not admit that.

I did not admit that. I did not admit that. And then they show the clip of her kind of admitting it. I mean, she didn't deny it, I guess. And then Meredith tries to help her out, but in the process, kind of, if you really think about it, kind of says something problematic, because she's like, when I left the luncheon, when I disengaged with Walter, my interpretation was that Mary's reference was more about sketchy people outside the sub 11,

not a racial issue, which is, she was trying to help Mary out, but actually what she was doing was kind of equating black people with sketchy people. I was like, oh, this is not going in the right direction. Well, I took it as her saying, she probably said, there were sketchy people in front of the 7-11. Which there are sketchy people in front of the 7-11?

It's not like we've never been to a 7-11. And then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then Black people in front of a 7-11 or whatever. Anyway, you got to get it. That's whatever it was. Anyway, you slice it bad. It's bad. So then Andy's like, oh, okay. So he's like almost gonna let it go, right? And then Mary goes, now, do I have a taste for black guys?

No, that's not my taste. That's not my taste. Andy goes. You're like, uh. And he's like, your taste is not for black guys. Does that mean you prefer white guys? And then she just like mutter something, she's like, at this point, Dom looks at me and says,

I have about one more second with this show. He's like, I'm about to go upstairs. I'm gone, I'm gone. So Mary mutters. And then Andy, so Andy's like, she's so crazy. But then you think you've heard the cra- this is where this is the craziest moment of all.

And he goes, well, you're married to a black guy and she married Cosby. Literally says, well, he's white. So she did, I didn't even hear that. Oh yeah, she said he's white and then it just, it cuts to Meredith, just like, I am gonna look at the ranchers and I'm just gonna think about the Brooks Marks Tracks

until the segment's over because it's too awkward. I'm trying to, I've never been able to disengage from anything like this before. I can't, I'm still engaged and I'm really, I'm just gonna have to look up here. Wow. Yeah, she said, she said he's white and everyone went, and he was like, it was just one of those moments where

everything, you're just like, what am I seeing? This is so, like this is so, so many different things, problematic sad, but like also the kind of absurd, crazy shit. I mean, what's going on on bravo where you have Kelly Dodd saying, I'm black and Mary saying that her husband's white. What is going on right now? What is happening? Oh my God. So don't you correct yourself? She corrects herself and says she goes, oh well he's light. He's light. He's light. Oh no, I'm sorry. No Lisa goes, he's like, he's like, oh, no, I'm sorry, no, Lisa goes, he's like, he's like, and then Mary goes, yeah, yeah, he's lighter,

he's lighter, that's, that's women. Oh my God. Jesus. So then we get to, yeah, that's just like, so then everything is so cringe, but also like, how can you not just lose your shit? This is so crazy. So Mary's like, well, look, it's not that I don't like him. Like, I don just like so that's nothing is so cringe, but also like how can you not just lose your shit? This is so crazy. So Mary's like well, look, it's not that I don't like them like it's not like that I don't talk to black guys like I'll talk to them and I'm not like you I'm just saying it's my preference and Andy's like well, you know people are saying online that that's internalized racism And she goes oh, I know I know you know what I know all about that because I'm black, you know

She's not black. I think she's not black. I think probably talking to Jen, she's not black. I'm black. And Jen's like, okay, well, you said there are like different types of black people, and I was like, oh, you mean like black people from Salt Lake versus, you know, like my husband who's from Compton, and then like not like,

not like, not like, that's what I thought you meant by different kinds of black people. I guess I forgot where she was going with that, maybe saying versus dark skinned or light skinned or whatever. She says, well, I'm not calling you racist, Jen says, well, I'm not calling you racist. And Mary goes, isn't your husband of racist? Well, I was like, what, what is this?

I have no idea. And then Jen's like, what, what are you doing? What are you doing? You do not do that. Do not insinuate things about my husband or this will get ugly. Here are my nails. Do not say things about my husband. Do not do it. And some areas like, can I say something? Can I say something? Look, you know what? Sometimes saying things the way I say, you know, the way I say things, like I guess offensive, it can't be. So, you know what, black is beautiful. I have no reason not to love myself or who I am in my culture. I love all black men. It was a very Ramona singer like pivot to the exit. She's like, she's like, sometimes I say things the wrong way. Like, you know, when I say my husband's white, but, you know, black is beautiful. So she just kind of like, you know, when I say my husband's wife, but, you know, black is beautiful. So she just kind of like, oh my goodness.

I don't know if she saved herself or not. I don't think she saved herself, but it's probably not for me to decide. I just think that people are just like, what else can you ask? Like she actually answers the questions, which is different, because most people just deflect and won't answer, you know?

She answers in such a crazy way that you're like, Oh, I guess we have, okay, I guess we're just going to be one then. It just, you know, it was so crazy and so absurd and just so, so out there that I, I just couldn't help but watch sort of horrified and laughing at the same time. I was like, Oh my God, I'm only in the first segment. Yeah. So, um, Hey, why didn't the ladies stand up for Mary? They were quick to be on Genside at the Metcala,

and by the way, I hate that they still refer to that lunge of altars as the Metcala. Well, there's still a quick to say, be at Genside at the Metcala, but when Gen called Mary at Grandpa Effor, no one checked Gen. And so Mary's like, yeah, she didn't apologize, so then Andy goes, and, she didn't apologize.

So then Andy goes, and I just love that Andy has to ask this question. So do you want to apologize to her for calling her a grandpa, F.R.? And Jen's like, uh, I mean, yes. And she goes, oh, then I can say that she's insincere. She goes, um, it was a heated conversation and I had stuff to drink and I was angry and hurt Mary, okay? And he's like, so married, do you accept?

And she goes, I didn't hear an apology in that. Yeah, there was no. It's time for commercial. It's time for a crap and commercial. Celebrity beef. You never know if you're just just gonna end up on TMZ or trending on Twitter or in court. I'm Matt Bellasife And I'm Sydney Battle, and we're the host of Wonder E's new podcast, Dis and Tell. Each episode explores a different iconic celebrity feud, from the build-up, why it happened,

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is a carefully crafted narrative designed to sell albums? Follow this and tell wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon music or wonder ya. I'm sorry, I'm very, very sorry. I take a hundred percent blame. I'm very sorry. But then Mary start saying how Jen said so much stuff on social media, all these nasty things, whatever. Remember how they're starting spiping in? She's like, she never let up once. She never let up one time. I mean, she was horrible on social Andy and Jen goes no no I mean all I did I did you know I posted that she looked like a Christmas tree That's it so then we see a tweet her tweets the first one says Mary looks like a Christmas tree

Which is benign enough and then the next one is Mary shouldn't talk but other people's families while she's laying within her grandma's bed with her husband That's it. I mean the truth is, Jen and the way we weren't saying, but yeah, and then the one, this is, this is how it started and this is how it's going. She mentioned that, but what it was, it's like an old grandpa helping a kid with their homework. And then I forget what the second one is. It was probably Mary and her husband. So. Oh yeah, I'm gonna move Mary and her husband.

How it's going. So the Heather's on her. She's, this is her, this is Heather's bone to pick. If I'm, if I can divine what episode three will be about, is that basically Heather is angry at Gen Shaw about what she's been saying. Heather probably posted something about Heather on social media and Heather is pissed about it.

Cause she's like on social media, you are detached from human emotion and cruel. Okay, you are cruel, Gen Shaw. And she's like, but I'm telling you why I did it. So why is it a double standard then? I just don't understand. Why is is it a double standard then I just don't understand Why is it such a double standard for me and she's like you took that meanness I do perpetuated it Jen You perpetuated it and and he's like well. Yeah, I mean the party

Winnie told Winnie told the girls that Mary was Mary the girls that Mary was Mary what's wrong with me? What if I just had a breakdown right now starting to cry? You should, it's worth a breakdown. She's housewives. What if we just like trying to follow? Mary told me.

Mary told me. Mary told me. Oh my. Oh. Sorry, sir. What scene is that? The Lisa and Jen said, the Mary, Mary. What would happen if we cried to the rest of the episode?

Let's just like cry through the recap. And then, like we're just telling our moms, and then, and then Andy has to bet she is party. And then, and then, I'm close. I'm close. So yeah so basically the are you afraid of Jen fight right? Our Meredith and Lisa afraid of Jen. So Mary says well I asked Meredith how she feels that Jen treats me and Meredith said she just doesn't understand why is it every single event and Meredith goes, well, I don't understand it. Meredith, what we don't realize at this moment is that Meredith is like preparing for her big,

her big like Dixie Carter moment. So she's sort of gathering her strength to have her, have her, have her big grandstand in the middle of the episode. And everyone's like, okay, Marry, thank you. So he's like, well, but then how did that change to afraid? And Marry goes, well, why don't you ask Barbie over there and Whitney, Whitney's like, well, Marry told me that they actually don't like the way that you've been talking about, about your marriage, but they didn't want to say it to your face because they were afraid of your reaction.

And every time we say, Mary, like, you freak out. Okay. Well, that's a little different with me. That's a little different than what you said with me. Yeah. Exactly. So, Jen's like, you know, it's not the word, it's not the word Mary, it's the issue at hand that you're missing. That's the thing, if the issue at hand and Andy's like, well, did Mary to the Lisa say they were scared of Jen?

And Mary's like, no, even though we saw footage of Mary in the recap saying well, they're scared of her. They're scared of her. So now I just ain't, they didn't. So then we see unseen footage of Lisa calling up Mary and Mary basically saying that she believes that they are afraid of Jen. Right. So everybody's caught kind of lying here, right? So Mary was just gotten a line out so

Lisa's like, you know what? Why were you guys so excited to tell? Meredith that that Jen was talking about her marriage. I mean you guys just wanted to cost this card That's what she wanted to do. You wanted to cost this card I'm like flicking your hand to camera and Heather's like well it's because, and then Heather starts mouthing over her, so she can't finish her sentence. And Lisa's like, oh no, you know what? I'm talking now.

You know what? Just go ahead and talk of me, Heather. Go ahead, go ahead. You two kept saying you're terrified and scared. And Whitney's like, well, I was scared. Then why are you two with me? And Heather were the ones saying that they were afraid of Jen. And then literally they were the ones blaming Meredith and Lisa

Together and then we see this unseen footage of Heather and Lisa having a meal together and they're saying wow I am scared to shit of Jen like when she reacts. I am horrified. I am so scared. Aren't you scared? At least it's like, no, not even a little bit. She's like literally tells her, I'm literally not scared. She doesn't get that from her. She doesn't get that from her. I don't get that from her. Like, is she crazy or something? And she goes, I am terrified of her.

I mean, does she not scare you? She's like, no, not at all. No. Heather is so shady. So now Heather and Whitney are both caught lying. They have been the one saying that they're scared of Jen and not marriedeth and Lisa. I mean, such bullshit. And Heather totally gets away with it. But this and the thing that's funny is that like, I actually don't believe that Lisa is terrified

of Jen because I think that one thing that we saw on this reunion is she really like only cares about herself. So I don't think she cares how someone else saw on this reunion is she really only cares about herself. So I don't think she cares how someone else, I don't think she would care how Jen would react. I don't think that she sees Jen as someone to like, like, I don't think like she aspires to be Jen or in Jen's company. You know, if we're going to say that like part of this friendship is because she's like kissing Jen's ass, I think that like Lisa, if she's going to kiss people's ass, it's

going to be not Jen Shaw, right? I don't, I think that's like a lateral move for her at best. So it's kind of, it's just, it's just, it's just kind of funny that they're accusing her of this because she doesn't really seem terrified. And so Heather's like, no one's as terrified as you, no one's as terrified as you, and at least it gets, oh, oh Whitney Heather, bad Heather bad weather tornado spin the truth

destroy that's what you do yeah here we go here we go weather Whitney and Heather bad weather a spin the truth and others like um hopefully that'll take over more than jolissa because that one falling fly. Lisa was just waiting to use her little nursery rhyme that you thought of six weeks ago. Oh, hey, hey, hey, hey, hi, hi, Peter. Hey, you want to hear this one? Wather, Whitney and Heather, bad weather, spinning things, tornado disaster, national flood warning, snow coming down, power grid off Whitney Heather God she ended up calling all of Texas's problems Oh so Lisa's like you know what I'm like her actual friend and I care about her and that's all and Heather's like oh you are no friend to her you're not her

friend you're not her friend and Andy Andy's like, so is that supposed to be their couple name, Jenisa? And they're going, yeah, Lisa created a hashtag. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, cause hashtag fresh wolf hashtag Jenisa hashtag bad weather. Yeah. Love that. And go, so why do you think she's not friends with Jen Heather? She's like, she's not friends with anybody but herself, Andy. And Lisa goes, I'm really mad at, mad at, really, mad at my type of fan mad at, mad at, my type of fan mad at. And Meredith is like,

I'll leave signs of a very good friend. I mean, I'm a friend. I'm a friend, a friend, a friend, a, a friend. Can someone prop up Meredith? Can we get like a Meredith can we get like a? Can we get one of those dog cones like you get from so you don't bite? She needs like the things they put around trees on the city like when they put trees inside walking

They're just nurturing they put the poles around she just need the tree like let's pop it up until she's mature Yeah, so hazardous just going. Oh, Lisa's not a good friend to you. She's not a good friend to you, Meredith. And Lisa's just going, Meredith. Meredith. Meredith. Meredith.

Meredith. Squash hands. Squash hands. And Andy's just cracking up. And first of all, I don't understand why Heather is saying this. It is so, it's like she's actively trying to actively trying to tear, like tear them apart, you know? So Andy's cracking up and Lisa's like, who talked about her marriage? Not me, you did, you did, okay, bad weather, okay, it was clouds, tornado of gossip.

I was alone on myself and someone like, yeah. They're like yelling over each other. And Heather's like, you know what what you talked about my very best friend I would never talk about my very best friend like you did the years and Lisa's like oh, you know what you've Have information and you could not wait to share it you could not wait to talk about my friends marriage You are a disgusting person a fucking liar. You're not a good friend I did not say one thing about her marriage this whole time. Don't you fucking dare call me a liar.

And I'm a boss, Ron. Don't you fucking dare. That's right, that's right. Look, I've got a sheet pan and I'm blowing away the weather. Look, I'm making... If we all do it, we make wind and we blow away bad weather. Okay? So, Andy's like, oh, right, let's change the topic.

No, no. Look, perpetual victim. Laugh, laugh, because it's true, okay? right, let's change the topic. No, no, no, look perpetual victim laugh laugh because it's true. Okay. Hey, hey Get therapy other than Andy Cohen and then I'm married now. It just got to marry now that she's like out of the spotlight Mary is just cracking up. She's having the best time ever. She's like At one point Mary goes, oh my god, Heather's crazy At one point Mary goes, oh my god, Heather's crazy. I'm just laughing. So they're like therapy, at least.

How could you say that about therapy? And she's like, well, because you said that this is like therapy for you. You said it was your words. It was like, whether what you said it. And he's like, I'm not about therapy, it's actually. So who wants to talk to about their boobs again, right? Anyone? Anyone? Emeritus is like, I wanna say something. I wanna make it abundantly clear.

Next one here, who has anything to say about my family, Anna way, shape or form, you are not my friend. We broke our ass was trying to work on our marriage and get it in the positive space. And none of you know anything about it. Exactly. And Saf disengaged. I'm now disengaged. Wow, it was beautiful. Meredith, she did disengaged from her. So she was bouncing around in that seat while she said that. She was doing almost like candy burst thing where she's like over a come with emotion. So she's like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

like her head was like going back and forth. Like the whole body was like, writhing like that. She's like, then how are disengaged? And as we're in the scene. And her head is like someone put a nickel into it in a cheap motel. I mean, that thing was about, I was expecting a wig to fly off of her head and cross the room It's like girl you're gonna need a net break

She was like the untapped blender that we've seen so many times Locked my lid a girl was like a wooden spoon in a blender A girl was like a wooden spoon in a blender. She's so Logan from Royal Utah wants to know is there a is there a will from your grandma Mary guess what we're back to you Mary. Hey Mary is there a will from your grandma saying she wanted you to marry her husband and are there receipts and she's like no no there there are no receipts. Oh so how was the wish conveyed? Well, my grandmother, you know, she told me for herself that she wanted me to take

her place and I said, please, grandma, don't say things like that. But if you must say things like that, sure, I'll start sleeping with your husband and take, take your inheritance, but don't say things like that. Okay. And she said, are you too good for my place? And I was like, how can I say anything to that? Yeah. And she said, are you too good for my place? And I was like, how can I say anything to that? Yeah, she's such a liar. Oh my God. She said on the show, didn't she, that it was in her grandma's will that she married the husband? I could have said I don't remember. I don't remember.

So he goes, and she told Robert too, that she wanted Robert to marry you. And she says, no. Well, well, he goes. Well, how did he know that that was her wish? And she says we prayed for two years on it, Andy, and that was God's will. That was God's will. We prayed on it. I thought it was the story that in her will, it said she wanted you to marry him. And she goes, well, look, here's the thing, when my grandma married him, he was 20 years younger than her,

and so she felt like she stole his youth, so she wanted him to marry one of the daughters to kind of make up. It's like, if she stole his youth, wouldn't she want him to go out in the world and fuck around? I was like, wait, literally none of this makes any sense. It is so disturbed and strange. The grandma was like, you know what?

I know that you've lost 20 years by marrying me, so you're gonna gain 20 years by marrying one of my grandchildren. So, so crazy. It was just a lot of serious. It was a documentary, because I wanna know what the fuck. I've read a lot of this stuff online,

and it says, you know, basically that she was sleeping with the husband before the grandma even died and then the grandma died and the mom wanted to take the church over. But then the mom couldn't marry blocked it by marrying Robert Senior who owned everything and then they got the mom out. And the mom started her own church

and now they don't speak. And then the family had the grandmother's body exhumed to check if she was murdered. I mean, that's crazy, the shit. It is crazy in the story, yeah. So Andy says, well, it seems like your mom would be more age-appropriate and Mary's like, well, my grandmother had already put everything

into my hands. I'm like, according to your story, your grandmother just said, I want you to take my place, which is not necessary. The same is like literally take my place. Like, here's my husband, just slip into my life. I thought it was more like you can lead the congregation, you know? So, um, Andy's like, and then you said the beginning of your marriage was awkward for you, and she's

like, yeah, no, Robert and I were never, were never closed. I mean, you know, it's like, and then she said something about Charlinda. She mumbles something about Charlinda And then she said well, you know, and then she's Charlinda. She's my grandmother's brother's daughter But I don't hang out with her. Yeah, she had her mom. She's a house. Yeah, she's saying she's not close She was never close with Robert senior, you know like Charlinda. That's my mother's brother's daughter or something But you know, we're not close and he's like so wait so wait, that's your aunt. And she cleans your house. She's, oh, and her mom. We have a very big house. The grandma's, yeah, it's the grandma's sister. Yeah, he goes, we have a, you know, we have a huge house and goes, and they have, and she goes, and they have a little apartment. And she smiles, like it's just like the sweetest arrangement of all time. She's like, and they have a little

apartment. And I pay their rent and they clean my house and I take care of them and they take care of me. I'm like, uh. And then she goes, I mean, Andy, I would rather have my family cleaning than anybody else. And he's like, uh-huh. Okay. Okay.

So he goes, and then I'm supposed to get sad, but I don't because this lady is so far beyond. And he goes, so how would you describe your marriage in a range man? Are you a lamb? And she goes, well, I absolutely think I am. And he goes, absolutely think I'm in love. Are you a love I have to say from the moment I met him I felt nothing but the purest most intense feeling That I think I love

So he goes we'll see age difference and it's 18 years and Whitney's like yeah, that's the same with me and my husband And you know what? Oh man Because if you're happy then... And Susan Summers wrote in actually and said there were rumors that you were allegedly married before your step-grandfather. Did you leave your husband to marry your grandpa? I just know I did not leave him to well, you know, everyone's married young and Utah, you know, I was like 19 and he goes, so did you divorce because of Robert. She was, we got divorced because he, it was, it was irreconcilable differences, Andy. Those differences, I tried to console the differences and I couldn't console the man be so.

There was definitely a little, there was something in that ellipses in what she said, because he, da, da, da, it was irreconcilable to me. It's like, there's something definitely going on. So, so then, so it's like,

and he was your, was he older? Just, no, he was my age. And let me tell you something, I'm never gonna date someone my age. And then he goes, yeah, because you're married. And she's, yeah, yeah, I'm never gonna date someone my age. And then he goes, yeah, because you're married. And she's, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying if I had to.

Yeah, she goes, yeah, that too. I mean, Andy says, so, are you physical with him? Are you physical with your husband? And she's like, well, maybe since the last few years, no, not so much. And he goes, but you sleep in the same bed? No. And then she starts crying. And she's like, yeah, then she starts crying And she's like, well, you can't go through a marriage for 22 years and be happy like like every single Chanel

He's bought for me like I don't buy myself anything and all my designer things He's gotten me and we're happy We're happy and you can't do Wait, you don't know if you're a love of them. You don't sleep together, but he buys you a purse Yeah, you can't take get say or do anything to take happiness away from me because it's hard to get And if you if you can find and if you can find that in a man, it doesn't matter where he came from as long as you're happy and the man observes is happy with both of you and he buys you a Chanel bag. And

it works. And he's like, why is this get make you emotional? Just a heart and they can be a nightmare. And I have a beautiful one, a beautiful shell bag. Absolutely Yeah, pretty much and so she's crying and Jen sends her down a clean x You know that shit soaked in chloro form and so Mary takes it and probably passes out So we go to commercial and when we come back Leah from St. John's Valley says Mary There's audio of you calling your congregation poor and stingy because they didn't give you gifts for your birthday She goes that's not true. Well, how do we know it's not you she goes oh, it is me It is me it just it was taken out of content

You know what I was talking about Jesus and how you know you're blessed and you know and how you represent how you live And if you live a life that's not okay, you're not blessed. And it's like, it's like, so did you call the congregation? Stingy, I just said, the poor will always be among you, you know? And that's what we're taught. So, you know, it's like me at home, okay?

I have this big home, but Charlotte Lind is there from her little apartment. The poor are among us, you know what I'm saying? Yes. So for those of you who have not heard this audio, this is so crazy. Okay. So I'm gonna play it for you so you can hear it. And then I'll read the transcript to you. See you can because this is kind of hard to hear everybody. So it's like, I don't know, 20 seconds or something. So if

you can't hear it, don't worry. We'll be right back. So listen to this. You're talking around me? You're calling me. And you're in for a new stage, so you still calling. God didn't call. Did you bring my husband to the organs? More Norman. Norman's the one she was calling fat last week, by the way. I love that Norman's just always there to take her abuse through all of this. Okay, so here's what she said. She said, you're not in church. You think I'm stupid? Coming in here and draining me. I'm not preaching over y'all sin.

I'm doing everything else. Y'all ain't helping halfway paying your tithes. I got 14 birthday cards. You old stingy selves. You old poor people. I don't want no poor people around me. Your poor is hell. And if you ain't poor, you stingy because you still poor. And God said you was poor. Wow. So like the God said you were poor. Like that's the one part that could maybe be linked to what she said on the reunion. But the rest of it is just her screaming at her.

I'm not really missing them. They're not tied thing enough or giving her enough birthday cards. Like wow. So yeah, she's saying, you know, Jesus is saying that we're poor and we're the Gentiles, okay? And he's like, okay. And she's like, you know, Jesus is saying that we're poor and we're the Gentiles, okay? And he's like, okay, he's like so Gentiles. That's all I was saying. He's like, what? I'm just like, yeah, well, you know, it just means that you show who you are. You show your values by how you present yourself. So if you have bad values, then you're poor.

It I honestly could not follow it. So Andy's like, are there? It was so crazy. He's like, are there are rumors as your church occult? Is your church occult? She goes, she goes, she goes, yes, about the rumors and she, like meaning that she's heard the rumors and he goes, and your response is, well, we have the exact same belief as the Mormons and at least he goes, I am not part of a cult. Okay. The only cult I'm part of is the Diet Coke

Coke. Okay. The only thing I have a diet for is saccharine. I'm going to say that right now. It's my only cult. You know what? If Jesus Jesus made out of Diet Coke, I totally drink it. That's it. You know, Jonestown, I sat there in for my sins. So, so there's like, well, I mean, people say that Mormon as a mess of cult, and he's like, okay, well, how does your congregation feel about these stories coming out? She goes, I just don't, you know what,

I get the stories, but the thing I don't like about the stories is that they say that I buy everything through the church. And, you know, that part's nasty. That part's a really nasty. Well, the rumor is your personal wealth is coming through the church. And Mary's like, she's like, I mean, you see my lifestyle. My church couldn't possibly support me. You see this. I'm like, well, unless you're stealing wealth from everyone, have you ever seen a cult leader before with their 10-vill's voices? Of course, a good.

And so my church couldn't take care of me. They're stingy and poor, Andy. Have you ever seen anything here? And he's like, well, it stands to reason they'd be upset watching the show, you and all your designer labels and your houses. And she goes, well, yeah, there would be mad if I was taking their money, but I'm not taking their money.

So I'm a God-fearing woman, you know? And he's like, so when you married him, does that mean you got your grandma's inheritance? And she's like, yes. And your mom was not especially pleased with that, right? And she was, yes. And we learned that her grandma and Robert had three restaurants called Southern Plantation, which serve soul food. And then like, there was a mortgage company, and some other things. And then she goes, and as those companies faded off, you know, Robert Senior, such a saver, I'm like, this is so fishy. Like, you guys have, so all this money that you guys have, all these Chanel bags are buying,

that are not, that money is not coming from the church. And yet you have all those other businesses seem to have failed and gone away. Something is truly not adding up and a probability is in the books. I predict the next IRS scandal on housewives will be with this one because this is just crazy. Like there is someone out there who's gonna be like, wait a minute, there's someone working

at the IRS right now who's like, well you know what, I have a free day. So I'm gonna check it. There's probably some weird shit about money, like you know, because churches are tax exempt and all that, like there's gotta be some weird stuff that's like above my pay grade, but I'm ready to hear about it when it gets exposed. Yeah. So then Andy reads a question from someone saying Jen and Mary come on like you know us round girls got to stick together. Can you guys just move on and be friends? And Jen says, well, you know what? I think we can. I just need to like, you know, I just needed to talk through it. And you know what? I did. So now I can do it.

And Mary's like, okay, well, you know, I again apologize again for what I said and how I said it. Okay. Okay. There I said it. And Jen's like, I was very hurt, but it was still wrong with me. And Mary's like, I would never say something to hurt you. That's not who I am.

Which is exactly what she said when she apologized last time in Pissed Gen her. That's not who I am. Which is exactly what Kyle said, which he apologized last time in Pissed Gem off. It's just so- Yeah, that's the Kyle Richards apology. Camille, I would never say that Camille. Basically, like Mary is some weird hybrid of Ramona and Kyle and who knows who else. Maybe Teresa, I don't know, like Gryfter,

it's a lot of hilarious stuff so Hey Raise the devoted Mormon Heather couldn't help feel like her new life as a single mom was a lesson failure But as any good spawner knows it just takes himself love and perseverance to finally let feel comfortable in your own Skin roll that beautiful beat for that. So now it's, you're lucky I haven't put that on the little sound board thing yet.

No, I'm sorry. You know that's coming. You haven't. I'm unlucky that you haven't done that. So now we see I had their montage and then it comes out of it and Heather's crying about her daughter's and everything. And she's saying that she's like really grateful for the show because it's sort of forced to confront these things and deal with them.

And Whitney is like, she has grown so. Wait, wait, let me start over from the top. She has grown much so. No, so much grown. She's grown much. Wait, wait. she's grown much wait wait and she met her right after art of force right after her divorce she is honest she is raw she is real and I have seen that change in her I told her from one day day day one day one that, cut that part. I have told her from day one, I wish you could see yourself like I do.

Also, I have to say, I love that Heather's intro is about, now she's comfortable in her own skin, when she owns like a beauty lab. Where? It's like all injections and Botox and shit. I love Bravo. You know what? I just love Bravo That's it. So Andy's like, I mean, come on Heather. You've made it. You're getting DMs from Rihama

Yeah, and she's like Has this yeah, he's like Rihanna says you're great. I just made you see yourself differently And she's like I just didn't think that there was an audience for the mess that I am, you know, and a lot of marginalized Mormons have reached out to me, et cetera. And, you know, she's just, they're just like questions, like, are you dating now or are you starting to like take care of, like are you starting to like really, you know, move forward in this place and she's still not on the apps. And she's like, you know, I, you know, I told my girls, I sat down with my girls and I said, I always told them, you have to be chased, you have to be

chased. And then I sat down. My daughter, my daughter has a boyfriend. And I said, I want you to be wild. I want you to have multiple partners. I want you to have sex with multiple partners. I know her future daughter's speech. I'll make it on a ski slope. It's the origin story for Vicki Gunnelson, which is so mean to say, I'm sorry, I take it back immediately. But Mary's eyes just bulged.

Mary's eyes, Mary's like, no, Mary, who was who was married to her grandfather's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, stop. Stop, stop. It was funny because Heather made it sound like, yes, you know, I've always taught them abstinence, Andy, and to be chased. But now I want them to fuck everybody. And when he asked her if she's on the apps and she said, no, give me a break, you know this girl is that girl who's on Grindr.

You know, just for friends, you know that's fucking Heather. Oh, well, tell me when, Watson, if anyone is judged you are actually for your time on the show. And she's like, well, yeah, you know, I get judged by, you know, active Mormon people. That's really who has a problem with me, Andy. But, you know, the more the marginalized ones are good you know the gays the women gay women gay they love me andy that's so funny that's so funny because we actually attract

the same people like I also get marginalized like LGBTQ coaks they reach out to me like hybrid stores, Sundance, Robert Redford, the average out to me, Andi. It's like the same people. Yeah, you know what? I was vegan one time. So I was even using margin, marginalized. You know, so we're basically the same. I don't know why we just can't get along. And Andy's like, Lisa, you said on what's what happens? I bet heather's ego is the most inflated from the show And say well, you know what like in a way she's making fun of herself But like there's two sides to her, you know, it's like she's either mouthy or she's you know

No, see mouthy mouthy mouthy mouthy like what sort of weather system are you right and Like you can't see some mouth see walking. She's a mouth see mouth she's a mouth see if she's a mouth she's a mouth she's a mouth. She's basically a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth.

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She's a mouth. She's a mouth. She's a mouth to cover something else up. She's, well, you know what, it would be unfair. It would be unfair to answer that because I really don't know her. Like, I still don't know her. So I don't know her well enough to say that, Andy. And now there's like, oh, really? Well, then, why would you recommend me for this show if you don't even know me? Anyone, does that make sense? Does it make any sense, anybody?

Well, there was a casting notice for good time girls and slots. so I thought you'd be great for it. That's all. But we have no history, okay? And Heather's like, oh, so she just recommends random strangers. She thinks it would be great on TV that she has only disdain for, I don't like liars, okay? Lying weather, lying weather, lying weather, tornado of lies. So Heather's like, oh, well, you're the liar now and we're gonna learn all about it. Welcome to your show. So we think Heather is gonna pull out this trove of evidence, which maybe she still will. So Andy's like, so wait, now we're finding out that Heather got recommended by Lisa to

be on the show. And she goes, you know why? Because I met her in 2017. I have the text. You want to see it? You want to see the text? He's like, I've got like card cataracts right now. Like, I've literally been holding cards two inches from my face. I can't.

Can we just not go into text? She's like, I've been seeing it. But we see the text anyway. And it's the most Lisa text ever. I love it. Thank you. Can't wait to meet you in person. Good time, girl. I love that and

Here we are again I have to say and I know people are gonna get mad because everyone loves Heather But here we go. Heather's gotten another fucking why She didn't know Heather. She knew of Heather and recommended her for the show and you can see from this text They'd never even met in person. What the hell? Yeah, I think that what's happening is that there's a semantics issue and they have different definitions of knowing.

I think that Heather is holding her to a strict interpretation of you know who I am. If someone has my name, my face pops up in your brain, you know who I am and now you're saying you don't even know who I am. And Lisa is saying, I know you, but I don't really know who I am. And Lisa is saying, like, I know you, but I don't really know you. Like, I don't really know, I don't really know.

I'm, sir, it's like surfacy, but I don't really know what makes you take. I don't know what's going on in your life, right? That's, I think what Lisa is saying. But I mean, obviously, a trigger or something in Heather, right? Like, she's very triggered. She's very triggered when Lisa said, I heard that she was a good time girl, you know?

So I don't know what's going on in Heather's world where she's in. Heather was also saying at the beginning, like, I've known her for 20 years. I mean, I've known her for 20 years. How could she say that? And she's like, what are you? Yeah, I think that Heather just has invisibility issues. I think that she felt very invisible in her marriage, right?

And like, you know, she, here she is joking about glory holes and scary movie. And like, her husband is not even laughing at her. It's like, was she even there? Was she even at the movie? And I think she just feels unseen in life. And so when she is, like, having moments of like, I am going to, you know, I am going to take this into my hands and I will be seen and then someone still doesn't see her it like makes her like go berserk. I actually understand that. Like I actually feel like that makes sense to me and I empathize with that but I think that's sort, well, I have photos. So don't think I won't pull out my photos.

But I have tax. You know what, so why lie? Why would I lie? Why would I lie about it? And it's like, um, and you described me in college and you described yourself to be just like me. So how do you not know me? And Lisa's like, you know what, she's just talking over me

because she doesn't want people to know the truth. Okay, that's what's it. That's it, Andy. And Andy's like, well Heather, go ahead, sorry. No, I just echoed you. I just said, the truth. That's right. And Andy's like, Heather, you got jealous

of Jen's relationship with Lisa and Meredith, right? She goes, well, you know what? Yeah, because it's happened before to me and my other friendships. You know, it's like I'm friends with these girls and then they find someone better to be friends with and they don't mean. It's like, you know what she wanted to just level up

and like I'm pedestrian. It's like I'm lower than them and she just wanted to be part of the glam kittens. That's how it felt, you know? And I still feel that way. And Jen's like, that's, you know, it's not true. You know, we talked about it in the hot tub and that horrific, horrific,

not real spa hot tub. Okay. And I was shocked and I was generally hurt that you felt that way. I was generally hurt that you felt I was trading up because I've been doing that all along. Why did you only notice it just now? You don't pay attention to me. So, so then Heather is saying, apparently they also have a big issue about the fact that Jen has never put up a picture of her and Heather, but Heather's put up a picture of Jen and the two of them. And so that's also like a huge divide between them at the moment.

Yeah, because she hasn't posted her on Instagram. And Heather's like, yeah, I didn't think that you posted me. I don't think you have. You know, I mean, Jen went after us hard on social, you know, and the only person she didn't go after was Lisa. You know, so it's like, there she goes, making her choices and friend loyalties.

I was like, this is so sad. You know, and we know that all, probably reality people, but since we cover Bravo, it's like, the housewives have such an issue with Sashal Medea. It's always like a big, huge thing about who's liking who's pose and who's not liking who's most. And Heather's mad that Lisa gets more love from Jen on Instagram.

It's like, come on, how old are you? Grow up. And I would never ever be triggered. I mean, that's the most crazy thing. I would never, never be triggered by who's unfollowed me or who hasn't liked my photos or haven't he likes? I would never, never, never, never. Hold on, let me just check my Insta.

Um, so, Heather's like, um, yeah. So now Heather starts accusing Lisa of feeding blogs, et cetera. And, um, and Heather's, and Lisa's like, no I doubt, no I doubt, I only feed Diet Coke to myself. I love that about me. And Heather's like, they've already read it you out, so don't embarrass yourself anymore. Alright, wait, are you saying that I'm gonna appellate you? Okay, that I'm gonna appellate John to go after you on social? That's like completely insane.

That's like saying there's some sort of stool out there that could also be a trouble. Okay, that's insane. Okay, that will like a hybrid stool. It's insane. Why would she have to manipulate Jen? You guys were the ones that were fighting with Jen. Jen doesn't need someone to manipulate.

Hershey was already pissed at you because of stuff you guys did on the show. Now, I'm not saying that you're wrong that what you did But Jen it's not like Jen is coming up with some magical reason to be upset with you Yeah, I don't think it's like very yeah, I agree and Lisa's like I don't have that much power over Jen I don't even have that much power for myself like look my hand. It's just moving on its own It's autonomous. I can't help it. I love that like the only way I can get it to calm down It's if I touch things can I touch look behind my hand come down

I'm trying to find now. I guess I'm really sorry myself You know what and it turns out that this isn't a real fire in the middle of the stage. So thank God So let me say that woman has put me down over and over to my face. And that is the goddamn truth. And Lisa's like, it is not. You know why, I need a break. This is ridiculous. I need an absolutely break.

All right, break. And he's like, all right, we're going on break. Commence slumping in three, two, one, oh. Heather, I am blocking you again on Grindr. I don't want you to take offense to that, but seriously, get your own apps. All right. Yeah.

You just go to Jack. I see you on Scruff. I see you on Scruff and on Jack. Okay. All right, ladies, just remember the sooner we get back, the sooner we leave, which means I'm really sick of you. So come on. So, so we go and break, but the show continues.

Least it's like, Heather, Heather, I know you, I know you, I know, I know you now, okay. I didn't know you before 2017. I never met you before in my life, Heather. I never. And it's like, you know what? And then you say you hate drama, but then you're doubling down on Jen Saw.

I mean, come on. And she's like, well, I don't know why, but I thought that you guys, I care for Jen. And she's like, over Meredith. She's like, I'm very, you know, I'm very direct with Jen. And if I don't like something, I say, can I touch that? And Heather's like, it doesn't make you loyal to Meredith just because you call Jen out.

It's called trading up. I didn't, this is, this is actually where where Heather's hard to lose me a little bit because it was weird that she was shaming Lisa for wanting to be in Jen's good graces. She was basically saying Jen is nothing but drama. But I'm like, you really, but isn't Jen supposed to be your best friend? I mean, it seems like you're in a fight. But like, you spent the whole season trying to win back Jen, you know, like that's what where it was like a little weird to me. And then saying you chose her

over Meredith felt like she was actually trying to stir some shit up between Lisa and Meredith, which of course becomes even more blatant. Well, yeah, of course she is. Okay. First of all, she's so full of shit. You hate the drama and you double down on Jen shot. So she is like against Gen this whole thing when she's talking about being such a loyal friend. So she sucks for that. And then Lisa is just trying to be nice to the person that nobody is being nice to and Heather is trying to get everyone not to be nice to Gen, which is a total mean girl tactics. So she's shitty for that. And now she's coming and trying to break up Lisa and Meredith, which is a total shitty mean girl tactic. So I know that Heather's supposed to be the nice one on this show, but she's

really in the end the asshole, I think. Yeah, I mean, I do still think she's the nice one, but I think that she is falling in. I think that's her rage is consuming her right now. And that she is, she is being kind of an asshole here. So because Lisa is like, you know, she's like, I'm very direct. And I always tell everyone, I tell everyone how I everyone how I think and feel. Okay. And Heather's like, well, don't make like, like, you know, yeah, like what you said, doesn't make you loyal because you called out Meredith or you called out Jen, right? And so she's accusing Lisa of training up to Jen, which is funny because like, I don't think that Jen is trading up, right? And so Lisa's like, Heather, I would be fine

on an island alone with me and Darkirk. Okay, I'll be fine by myself. Touching palm trees, touching coconuts, touching sand. Can I touch everything on this island, touching that volleyball? I love a volleyball. I love a, hey Wilson. Hi.

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Meredith has taken enough of this. What do you mean you don't want to put a wedge between her and Meredith? You're the one here saying like that that Lisa is a bad friend to Meredith and that the lies will be exposed and you're a bad friend to Meredith over and over again. That is the exact like that is the pinnacle of putting a wedge between a friendship. Yeah and she's like stop it, stop it Heather's just I'm allowed to say at least a bar low. And just, just dead. So, um, um, by the way, do we talk about how there was one point where Andy was asking

a question and he's clearly yawning. He was like, I know, I know. He's just like trying to make the donuts. So Lisa's like, well, I show up for her. I show up for Meredith. Just, oh, you have not shown up for her today. Not the way I would want to be shown up for her. I show up for Meredith. She's, oh, you have not shown up for her today. Not the way I would wanna be shown up for. And so then Lisa gets mad again and she jumps up.

She jumps out of her chair. And she's like, Meredith, Meredith, she's saying I've not shown up. Hold on, I'm not gonna stop. And she gets in Heather's face. And then she's like, okay, you just want me to bail on Jen. Okay, fine, let's just all bail on Jen then Is that what you're saying? And she's yeah, that would be nice if you would just stop sticking up for Jen

She's oh, you know what they're she said it. She said it rolls a footage roll the beautiful big Fattage We see Jen Jen is just at backstage getting her makeup retouched and of course she has a fan that says bye Felicia of course she does stage getting her makeup retouched and of course she has a fan that says buy Felicia of course she does So Lisa's ranting. I mean I actually do think that Lisa has shown up for Merritt I don't know where I don't get what where this is coming from and Merritt isn't saying that this is all just coming from If anything Merritt is not showing up for Lisa to be honest So Lisa is ranting and she's like I try to be a friend But it's not worth it because you're living in the past on weird shit

That didn't even happen because you're a good time girl. Maybe you can't say anything because you're sure it is above your eyes right now Okay, and there's like are you watching your own performance right now? Emerith goes you guys really always want what this is what I was saying earlier, right? There's so much consteony and anger you guys don't hear anything I can't hear you Meredith so talk louder because I can't hear you do you know Bob Whitney this is why we can't be friends Whitney because of Heather and she's oh really Heather is not keeper my darn it can you just realize this is this is 50 50 did I say 50 50 backwards okay hold on did you realize realize this is this is 50 50 did I say 50 50 backwards? Okay hold on

Did you realize that this is 50 50? Okay got it? I'm part of Walters and this is 50 50 now that's all wrong And so many different less so You know what when he saw me you know when I'm sorry for breathing even okay I'm sorry for, excuse me for living. Okay. It's so ridiculous. When he's like, I'm trying to help, I'm trying to help you realize why it keeps coming up.

Okay, you don't like me, it's okay. I don't care, I don't care. And then Heather's like, well, you seem to care quite a bit, which is true, because I love when people are like literally screaming, I don't care. So Andy, and then there's Gus Andy, he's just bored. Like all this shit, like the entire audience,

we're all like, oh my god, and he's like, he's like, I've been doing this for six hours. This is not exciting for me anymore. So at least it's like, why is our friendship in question Meredith? Why? I just, I, I don't know. It's relentless, it's my numbing.

Everything I say is on top right out of the rock rock. On everything you say is interpreted the wrong way by her. And everything she says is interpreted the wrong way by you. And that's what I see. You know what, did you not hear me say the nicest things to her? I said I've noticed this 2017, I mean, that's something. Is that's like, so four years I've given her, okay? I said I've noticed this 2017, I mean, that's something. Is that's like, so four years I've given her, okay? I'm just like, no, I wasn't listening.

When you were ardently defending me and on your feet and screaming and burning friendships with everyone and defensive me, honestly, I wasn't listening. I was, what's the word for it? It starts with a D and ends with a meant disengagement. I was disengaged. So then Heather's like, oh my God, and you say you hate drama and you've aligned yourself with the nexus of that. So Whitney Heather just totally is anti-gen now or what? Like, what'd you say?

Is Heather just like totally anti-gen now or what? I guess so, I guess, my impression up really until this point was that Heather was mad at Gen probably because of social media stuff and some stuff that was probably set on the show, but they were mad, but they were just, they were gonna like come together. They still may come together by the end of the episode,

but I was out of the impression that she has an axe to grind, bone to pick. But now it sounds like she's making Jen out to be the worst person of all time, right? Yeah. So Whitney and Meredith decide they're just going to walk off, which is, I just love that Lisa is just going so hard for Meredith. And Meredith is like, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go. So Meredith just walks off and Heather is, Heather says something like you're in last place if you don't know.

She goes, you're in last place just so you know. She's one of the sad even me and Heather, she's like, well, with me you are for sure. So can you, do you see how many you are? Do you see how many you are? Does she mean like in last place in housewives rankings or something? I don't know or maybe in terms of that. Do they have that? It could just be sort of like today. You're just like you're losing today. And how there's like, yeah, well, it's a defense mechanism after all the things you've done to me. Okay. Like, remember, when you said you didn't know me and I was a good time girl and you gave me a thumbs up and

And I'm so sorry, you know what I googled what ranking the cast Well, everyone hates Lisa right now by the way we are gonna get a lot of heat cuz everyone loves I still love Heather By the way, I love Heather, but I think that she kind of was an asshole I was with you I was so glad that you said that because I kind of feel like she was a little unhinged this episode. And I just think she's mean.

I just think she's being really mean. I don't think she's acting crazy or anything. I just think she's doing all the things she says she hates. Like she's pulling every mean girl move in the book, you know? And I think it's not, it's not very cool, especially now that we find out that Lisa got her on the show. It's like the book, you know? And I think it's not, it's not very cool, especially now that we find out that Lisa got her on the show. It's like, geez, you know, we've seen on the show

when people bring someone on the show and then that person turns against him, but it's usually a season at least. It's not like right away. It's like, lady, you're just talking about how much fame changed your life and all of this. At least give the woman some grace who gave it to you in the first place.

Yeah, and I feel like everyone online is going hard against Lisa right now. And I just am not in that place. I'm like, I don't feel the villainy the way other people are. And it's not because we had Lisa on the crappies because Heather listens to the show too. Hi Heather, I don't know. We don't know.

It's not because of, we like the boob. But it's more like, I just, I'm not, for this episode right now, I don't even remember how I thought that. Well, then, sometimes I just wonder is it that I just, like the person or I just like imitating. Well, there's guys, I like it.

It's fun. This whole show is really fun to do recap, so, who knows? I mean, I still like Heather too. I just think everything she's preaching against, she's doing, and then finding out that she's the big fucking liar this whole time, her and Whitney saying that they're terrified of Jen, and then blaming Lisa and Meredith.

I mean, that really was the whole drama of the second half of the season, and it was their fault, and now she's like, still trying to get Lisa in trouble for it, when it was just proven that it was never Lisa, Mary admitted she never said that. So it's just confusing to me that Heather is getting away with all of this on the show when everything's out in the open.

It's not like we're just making guesses of what happened. This all just came out today on the show and everyone's still hating on the people who were wrongly accused. It's weird. And I guess, and I guess why people are really mad at Lisa is because she's saying that she's such a great friend to Meredith. And yet she's also being a good friend to Jen and Jen is the one who said shit about Brooks online. So I guess, and I guess Heather's really trying to like, Brooks is a little fucking asshole, you know, and people, people have a right to comment

on people, especially when Brooks tried to be a housewife. He do his vagina shaming or whatever was going on. She has her right to stand up for herself online against Brooks, he's not six years old, and he stole his fucking tracksuit from Gimalshi. So please, Lisa has that adic, okay. At least like, Lisa can still be friends with Jen

and be better friends with Meredith, and it's really not, like it's not an issue. Meredith is not the type that's like, well, you know, friends with her and you can't wait to get me. I got, well, I guess she was a little bit at some point, but I just don't, I think that,

furthermore, Jen was right when she said that Meredith was seen around town with another man, and that's okay to say on the housewives show too, Meredith, okay? And I cannot believe I'm standing up for Jen on that. Well, I'm about to say, I'm not going to say that. What's the city thing to do?

Was it a shitty thing to do? Yes, but you're on a housewife show and you weren't seeing other people. So what's the big deal? Like I get that gen was still an asshole, but I think that they're just spinning all of this stuff and it's not fair, you know? And then Heather and Whitney are sitting there

getting away with everything. What did they start of it? Yeah. So Lisa is like, this much much easier to have at time. I can't do anything with this. So Lisa decides Lisa walks off stage because she needs to go hug. I need to hug, I need to get hug from Jon.

I need to hug from Jon because he's all negative. So she goes off stage and then Andy, who like suddenly wakes up from his like iPhone, is like, hey, where are you going? I'm like, you realize that like everyone has left Andy but he's like, at, where are you going? I'm like, do you realize that like everyone is left Andy, but he's like, at least where are you going? So what is this? What is going on?

There is so confused. So Lisa goes backstage and now she's like, she's crying and she's upset. And she's like, this is abusive. I don't have friends like this. Okay. And she's like, this is abusive. I don't have friends like this. Okay. And she's like talking to the senior VP of production and she's crying about Heather and, you know,

and she's just like, this doesn't need to be filmed. This doesn't need to be filmed, okay. And she's also mad at Meredith now, which thank God, finally. She's like, Meredith is supposed to be my friend. And I'm like, show up for me. You're not showing up for me And Heather is obsessed with my best friend. You know what? Don't film this

And because so is Lisa coming back and Meredith goes we help I don't know At least you just hear Lisa say they can go on without at least you just hear Lisa say, hey, you can go on without me. So that's the cool thing. Lisa will be back next week. Of course she'll be back. Of course she will be. They were careful not to show her though in the pre-season.

I know. I was so proud of them, especially after this week with Dallas when Deandra was like, I am leaving this trip next week. Well, this is a great day for the trip. Well, what a fun part to you. Wow. Our 20 minutes were going cheese. Well, it was a great episode. This reunion has been fantastic.

I think Salt Lake City. This is, it's been a great season, actually, overall. Now looking back on it, I think this was this was lightning in the bottle that they found. This was some good times. Everybody, thank you so much for being here. Thanks for being with us on crap and Sunday. And we sure love you guys.

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