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Episode Date: December 7, 2021

*Also avail as video on Crappens On Demand http://bit.ly/crappensvideo The ladies of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City confront Mary about the cult allegations. Well, kinda. They tattle on each other about cult allegations until they get free high end gifts. This week's premium bonus is a recap of Selling Sunset. Find all of our premium bonus episodes at https://patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens, and get tickets for our Winter Tour at https://www.watchwhatcrappens.com/10th-anniversary-hunky-dory-tourSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And what else been this or anything? I don't know. We're doing girls trip twice this week for anyone who's wondering. We'll have episodes, recaps of episodes five and six up over the course of this week. So, if you're wondering what's going on with that, that's what's going on with that. And I just have to say, I mean, I'm ready. This Salt Lake City episode was tremendous. I mean, Salt Lake City may be my bravo show of the year at this point. It is just so good. But I also am in a great mood. You know why Ronnie? Because I had a dream that I was wearing my Lorddurn T shirt,

which I actually do have, and that I ran into Lorddurn on the street, and she was so taken with it that she demanded that we take a selfie together. And I woke up feeling like a million bucks. She demanded, what is she Tom Sandivall? So it's not all that's when you meet him at a bar. He's like, oh yeah, you like jealous, take a selfie, but then on your Insta.

The first time I met him. No, she goes in my dream, she was like, oh my God, that is amazing. I have to take a photo of that. Let's take a photo together. And I was like, of course, I mean, that truly is part of the reason why I bought that Lorde earned T-shirt is sort of in the hopes

that I might encounter her and that entire experience might happen. So I'm not going to lie. But the fact that I got to feel what it would be like, I mean, it got me just, it got me ready to record a podcast. It got me just in such the right place. Wow, whatever. Flitch, you're decky, babe.

Glad to be out of good dream. I've been watching Weird TV. I started watching The Mandalorian because I'm like out of things to watch. And everybody's like, oh my god, it's so good. Okay, you know, baby Yoda really, like he were the cutest thing ever and I wanted, and I feel like such a basic saying that, okay, sorry, but baby Yoda is where it's at.

It's very cute. Now I can see why everybody's so in love with it. I'm gonna care what happens on that show. I just wanna see a little baby Yoda, okay? So I'm having dreams like, viewers being chased, you know, I'm like being chased trying to protect my little beolar. So those are my dreams. I'm having a really weird, like cute, but super dark dreams because man, that star wars is dark. Okay. Star wars are happening in that. Yeah. So

anyway, that's what I've been dreaming about. Guess what? I'm glad that I watched that after I watched Salt Lake City because Salt Lake City would have been a much scarier dream. Okay. Starifying. Salt Lake City is a dream. It's a living dream. It's a living dream slash waking nightmare. And in fact, we know it's a waking nightmare because the episode opens up with some very spooky tricksy monocleical choir music that's like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, like something's about to happen in bail,

like someone's gonna get murdered. Yeah. And they could have been because everybody's dressed like Swiss men's, you know, for whatever their costume is, there be very cream costumes. The rack clad party. Yeah, they're, they're melted cheese party, dressed crazy. And I love some housewives drama

when everybody's dressed crazy. Okay. This is how to do it, Vanderpump rules. Okay. This is right here is how to do it. Yeah, I love like, I love when people are being very serious in Outlandish costumes. So, Heather, there were also,

there were a million amazing monologues in this episode. Like it was very monologue heavy and they were all amazing. I feel like they will all be, and they should all be co-opted by various drag queens and auditioners and, and Mary-Catham Gallagher types because they were wonderful. So we actually begin with one, with Heather, which is actually from last week, too, which is because we are a group of women who've just been completely traumatized by our friend getting arrested basically in front of us. All of us had warning bells and red flags that went off

and we ignored messages people said we ignored the victims of hers that is a fact and you're telling me you have a friend who is a victim of our friend Mary and we should talk about that. I'm married to this one. Well, give him a concrete example. Oh, something like that. She made a living. Oh, no. Unleashed it just jumps in. He mortgages house and gave Mary 300 grant.

Okay. That's what he did. He mortgages house. And so it's like, and then we're taking back to me. What? To stop us and see she. Why can't I?

What is the name of the restaurant? Okay, we have been complaining that they only go to Italian restaurants and then finally they say what mint top us and sushi. What is happening in Salt Lake? Mint doesn't go with top us or sushi. Okay, they don't think they're either, either of those foods.

At topus, it doesn't go with sushi. It's sushi doesn't go. No. Here are your marinated olives and garlic shrimp and butter, as well as your California roll. But I think what is happening? No, no. But I think it was somewhere where they wouldn't be seen, you know, except for all the cameras

surrounding them, of course. The camera is wearing big dark sunglasses and he's like, when Robert and Mary want something, they'll call a meeting and they'll beat you down until they get what they want. Well, yeah, it's called getting what you want, okay? That's how I am in a meeting, too. I mean, I don't beat you down, but I do wine. And then I just email you until you say guess. Okay, you can have whatever you want.

Isn't that part of just being an organized religion? So they're like, yeah, also, by the way, I thought this was gonna be a full scene based on the trailers and everything. I thought we're gonna have a whole single camera but it was actually just nested in this little flashback. So at least it goes, is that why you're Margaret Jajas? Like, what did they tell you?

They were giving it far. And he says it was for supposed to be for surgeries. And not just like the one for her glance. Yeah, because he's like, oh, yeah, was this her other gland surgery, which is something I kind of had pushed to the back of my mind that Mary even had odor gland surgery. Okay. But the fact that Mary is making somebody mortgage their house to get her the odor client surgery. Wow, Mary. Wow. That's pretty crazy. And he's like, well, let me just say, there've been a lot of, do you say heave offerings or? Heave offerings. Is that a thing in the church, a heave offering? Not Mike, you know, not mainly church, I ever went to. You just wrote a tie. I had something. Yeah, he, it's like, carry, you know, drag something heavy

up a hill offering. But when I'm more, he said, but, you know, that was just one of the surgeries, but when I mortgaged my house, that was for that. Okay, you know, look, who, who's gonna do that? If I want to a meeting and someone said, you need to, I need hundreds of thousands of dollars for Ottergland surgery, mortgage your house.

I'll go to hell before I give you 300 grand. Well, you, okay, you'd like to think so, but that's the way it cults work. And he says that they basically wrap your life around a single idea and the differences between having to help for you. Like if you don't do it, you're going to hell because that's just how they, how they do it. Take me. Ship from me. Okay. I'm not even giving you the going to hell because that's just how they take a do it. And shit for me. Okay.

I'm not even giving you the 10% how about that? I'll see you in hell. Everybody else. My friend almost got sucked into a into a cold. I was talking to her and she was like, Oh, yeah, I went to Spain and oh, they were doing this Iwaska. And it was so wonderful. And there's this guy who was leading it.

And in my mind, I was like, uh, and it just, oh, but I left, cause I think it was a cult. I was like, oh, okay, well, I'm glad you figured that one out before it was too late. I just like the casual thing, like it was this wonderful experience, but I think it was a cult so I left.

Yeah. Oh, so then he's like, yeah, it's, you know, she had to get odor gland surgery and it made me feel like I was either gonna go to heaven or hell and it depended on that Really something's not fishy. Not by any time dead camera. I'm not Can't tell us the sushi or the top of us delicious and it cuts back to Heather and she's going Does he feel that his 30 does he just feel like his money wasn't used appropriately? Does he feel like he was robbed and Lisa's like he felt that he was

bamboozled so robbed dudes he felt too about that band too dope Doop do's out have you ever had topless on sushi? So then Heather's let Heather tells us does this mean that Lisa finally trusts us and considers us worthy of information she's holding secret for apparently a long time because I'm both happy that she's sharing and everything but also questioning why now? Why now? And so Jenny's like, okay, what specifically did Mary do to him to make him feel that way. And Lisa's like, well, he felt like that everything he was a part of and that he believed in was not real. And that's that. And so let's see everybody who's like ever believed in Santa Claus or whatever. So we get it. And then Lisa's like, the bottom line is, I believe Cameron, Cameron is my friend. I trust him. I cry. I breathe that. Look at me. I'm at the, okay, I won't do it now.

But I could. I could. Does anybody want to see me cry that? I won't, I won't, but I could. I just want to know it. And I cried with him. I believe him. Okay. So I, I, oh, I believe him. That's very- That's pretty much what it sounded like. Hi, hi, hi.

I shared an extra- I shared a, a supersized volume meal with him. We shared a big knockout together. I believe him. I dore dashed Wendy's while I watched him eat tapas and mint. I believe him. I believe him. a supersized volume meal with him. We shared a bit of together. I believe I'm a door dashed Wendy's while I watched him eat tapas and mint. I believe him. I believe it was a very bounding moment So yeah, there's like well, so why are we still friends with Mary then at least I started getting choked up

Just because I love my friend and I feel like it was traumatizing from him my friend and I feel like he was traumatizing from him. And so then she basically is like, I feel very protective to come on and marry. I mean, just because I believe come on doesn't mean I don't come from marry. Okay. Is that the best position I'm in, you know, with marry being a cult leader and come on being one of the victims, you know,

no, but that's here. Why am? Okay. I made it. Okay. Yeah. The best position to be and would be at Front car in the window of the Burger King, okay, but I'm not in that position right now

I'm just not and she's like I believe Cameron and Meredith is like wow Not gonna know is And I am you Listen to very And I am you telling me, listen to very questionable things, on a friend of mine with no concrete problem. Now let's talk about this out of control. Something that Racklet did something to her is like a change the inner balance

in like her body composition because she's like a gyroscope settling down after a spin. She's like, because she's like a gyroscope settling down after a spin she's like and she's like all right listen I'm not gonna talk about people with no concrete evidence so anyway Jen Shaw was banned from Louis Vuitton and an event of the Chanel calendar exactly so Lisa's like mad at have you not read one thing or watch one YouTube video and Heather's like well Okay, look people say she's running a cold She uses the tires from her patrons for herself

She's dishonest and Heather's doing the finger counting thing which means you know somebody serious when they're mad enough to whip out the finger counts Yeah, and I can knuckles And Lisa's like, let's then comment is not the first person to say this about Mary. There's been stuff online for years. I get about it. And then we see now we got a psych

grand husband accused of fraud and a former church member who speaks out allegedly. So now we get emeritus monologue. I've heard a lot worse about Jen for a year and a half and nobody lessened. Nobody believed a worm than I said. I'm not gonna sit here with no facts. I can't go down this path.

No, nothing concrete. For someone who's been nothing but kind to me. I had someone who was cruel, abusive, and mean to me, my family, my business, my little toddler, and nobody wanted you anything about facts. So I will not listen to messiness about how and I have zero facts because I had a million for Axel Mellon, yeah. And there's like, well, I'm not just sitting here for a nasty and that's about anyone. And Lisa's like, you know what, I'm going to bed. Is that okay?

Because I guess that's okay to do. So I'm going to go to bed. Okay, I'm going to go to bed. I'm going to go to bed. And she gets off and's like flicking her hair everywhere and leaves. And she's like, that's, that's a lot of her backwards. They're going on.

Like, why is that we believe that, like, some things, but not all things Well, because that's how life works. You believe something you don't just believe everything you hear you believe some things It's called thinking things through No one just believes everything right and yeah, why is it okay to believe that about Jen because she's a shitty person But then you have everything in front of you about Mary, and you're like, let's not acknowledge that. Well, being a shitty person does tend to sway one

to believe that you're a shitty person. What can I tell you? It's called evidence. Now that being said, Mary has not proven to be a particularly wonderful person either. Let's not, like we're enamored with her because she's crazy and she has a crazy life and nothing makes sense about her. But also, nothing makes sense about her. Now people are surprised

like, oh, that she might be up to shady business when she can't answer anything with an answer that ever makes sense. But Meredith is like, she's just using whatever she can to just go against Gen-Shot. You could say, that's a pretty pine tree. Well, no, I'm caring about the sort of trees that grew in Gen shot. She has yard, but here we are. Right. So then Meredith is like, this is my new shot compared to the terrorism and trauma. My entire family went through over two years

with just a terrible, some antra-darrisim. I know, just for me to hear that some man-hand religious trauma, and I have a little baby who was abducted by a terrorist and Jamie Lee Curtis and Ronald Schwarzenegger had to save him. I don't even want to hear it.

It's like, what do you, I was like, listen, I'm not going to discount religious trauma. I think that if you were sucked into a cult and you lost all your money because you were sort of manipulated into a situation, I think that counts as trauma too. I think that's a fair game. Yeah. So Whitney's like, well, I'm not indicatingating that Meredith. I'm gonna live. So I hear someone has religious trauma. And I'm supposed to just got someone out. I mean, yeah. No, I want to run. I don't care what you say. I don't know what he's like, yeah, but you have been brutalized by a

gentleman. Okay, you guys with your words today, okay? Terrorism and brutalized, not really, not really love on the word choices today. But, you know, I am not negating that, but we are moving faster than we did with Jen because of Jen. And Heather's like, well, it's not about condemning, it's about being aware of what's happening.

I mean, they're like acting like they, they're like a human resources or, you know, department that's like changed their policies and like, now we're going to act faster. So Lisa is talking to me while Lisa who has just said, I hundred percent believe Cameron and as a cult leader, but she's pretty and she gives me back. So I like her. So now she goes downstairs to Mary and she's behind the door. She's like, I want to have an honest front check with you. And I want to be honest right now. And there's like, where should I line? People say we're a shot. And I never believe it. The way they're talking about things that happen at your church. My right. My right.

Yeah. And then back with Heather. She's like, I just don't want Homeland Security. You know, to like have to do a visual check for my friend in the van. Is that too much to ask? Okay. And now we all know, you know, we've all said you're the company you keep. And so we are complete it. We are involved in all of this.

You're really not. Okay, but okay. So then we go back to Mary and Keith. It's funny because most people on Bravo can't keep company. So it's funny that that expression even exists. But, but this little joke about things going under. So Mary is, we go back to Mary and she's like,

well, either you're gonna take loyalty to me or what you hear, and that's up to you. You choose, which is funny because Mary plays the loyalty card really hard all episode long. Mary kind of does the things you'd expect a cult leader to do. Like she makes it a like everything is like in a front, like you are not being loyal to her, you're being a bad friend to her. It's all about like excessive guilt and like psychological manipulations.

So I mean, I'm not pretty convinced. I'm pretty convinced highly entertained also. Yeah, well, I mean, I don't even think there's a question. I don't know if I would call it a cult, but I don't know that I would really call it a normal church either. But yeah, she can be getting in trouble for that. But, you know, like I'm from a very religious background. So I'm used to seeing people like Joel Osteen go around on private jets. What do you think those are funded from? Those are from tithes, you know, or your preacher out there driving like the nicest to beamer in the world, where the fuck does that money come from? It's not like he's a

moon lighting, it's a lawyer somewhere else, you know what I mean? But you're a money, that is your money. So I guess I'm just kind of used to it in the religious sense anyway. Now I've never heard of anybody mortgaging their house or giving 300,000, you know. So yeah, I believe it too. So Mary's like, yeah, and also Mary doesn't ever argue any points, you know. She just says, it's up to loyalty. So you believe what you want to believe.

And she's like, yeah, okay, well, then I'm going to ask you this to rock like, do people at your church believe that you're God? And she's like What no Come on, yeah, but Whitney just told me that and that's why I had to come here. That's why I had to come talk to you Just throws Whitney right under the bus right there and Mary's like wait they want to think That I think I'm God. I mean to believe that it's kind of silly right? I mean because we all know it. I am I am God right we know that it's nothing, to believe that, it's kind of silly, right? I mean, because we all know it, I am God.

Right? We know that. It's nothing you have to believe in. And Lisa's like, well, you have to say the truth because if you don't like other people speak for you, that's why you need to talk about it. And she goes, who? Who? Who's speaking for you?

This is not right. So, you know, I can part and lie to you in Cameron because like you're over here, Cameron's over here, and like Sonic is right in the middle. You know what I mean? Like what am I gonna do? And Cameron's like, yeah, but Cameron's no one. He's not even part of the church anymore. Yeah, she goes, yeah, I mean, you're not that good friends with him.

Not as good as his friends as I was, you know, and to take his word over mine is weird. And like, it shouldn't bother you that other people are saying things if you have loyalty to me and people are gonna lock these up, people are gonna lie, which is again, you know, these are like lines right out of like the nexium documentary, et cetera.

So it's like, it's kind of funny. I was also so hilarious to me, just from an entertainment point of view, not in a real life point of view. It's hilarious to me that like, there's debate over whether a cast made on the real house might also be a cult leader. Like that is the funniest thing hilarious to me that like, there's debate over whether a cast made on the Real Housewives might also be a cult leader. Like that is the funniest thing ever to me about this show.

Yeah. Also, people are not just gonna lie. I don't know where that even comes from. That doesn't even make sense. Like, I mean, come on, it's totally normal. People accuse, people accuse each other of being cult leaders all the time. Like, come on! Come on!

It happens! So, Mary, Mary tells us there's bad energy and bad vibes and bad whispers. And the things that Lisa is saying to me right now, they're very hurtful and mean. I was like, oh, okay, cry. Give me some fake crying, okay, because that's always a sign that you're telling the truth, right? When you immediately switch into victim cry cry mode. So Lisa's like, Mary, people are saying things, okay? Okay, like Jen came to help me talk about the thing for my kids opening the other week and kids She don't remember. It was thought, flashwelf, flashwelf, oh my god, the my-

God, the flashwelf. The arms again, thank you, flashwelf. So I- Yeah. All hell breaks loose. She gets up and she's like, why am I being held accountable? And by the may being accountable. And she's peed off a lot of things about you, Mary.

A lot of things. I think it's two weeks later earlier. Jen has her mouth like, my own cousin, my first cousin, his best friend is fucking terrified. People are saying that she's a cold leader, that she hasn't on food stamps. Somebody commit suicide, people are fearing she's a cold leader that she has them on food stamps. Somebody commits suicide, people are fearing for their lives.

And when does someone get a healthy health accountable? It's like we're not even allowed to ask Mary about it. Okay, but you're still defrauding old people. Like that still, like, sorry. So then we cut back and Lisa's like, she said a lot, she said a lot. Mary's like, and like that's why Jen is where she is, and that's where I am sitting where I am today. And Lisa tells us, wow, that feels more like a threat

than a Brahmath. I'm like, I actually didn't really just felt like just married just saying shit. Well, at first it didn't sound like a threat. It just sounded like, well, she's a fucking liar and that's why she's in jail, right? That's what it sounds like to me. That's very good. She goes, then Mary goes, she's a fucking wire and that's why she's in jail, right? That's what it's simple to me Yeah, that's very yes. She goes to it then Mary goes she lives a lie and to say all these lies about me and Mike

Shark, I mean look at her now. That's what Jen did and look at her now. Yeah, she messed with the wrong one I'm like, okay, so you were saying Yeah, she messed with you and now she's in jail and Let's not forget her tagline literally is mess with me like come for me and I'm sending Jesus for you or whatever it is. Yeah, like it's like a it's a full on revenge tagline. So now if the next is at Homeland Security, it's like, you know what guys at some modern world, we really need Jesus to have a better job. Okay. No one really is like, hey, where's the fisherman to save us? Okay? Homeland security. That's where it's at.

Hey Jesus. Yes, Burnett. So there is a flood in Karachi and there is some famine, but also Someone was a little mean to Mary and bail which ones could be your party like I do Mary God do Mary and bail That's my number one on the list. Thanks for the time for commercial. It's time for a crapence. Celebrity beef, you never know if you're just gonna end up on TMZ or trending on Twitter or in court. I'm Matt Bellasife. And I'm Sydney Battle and we're the host of Wonder e's new podcast, Diss and Tell. Each episode explores a different iconic celebrity view, from the build-up, why it happened, and the repercussions.

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Follow this and tell wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondering app. Oh, my show. Uh, so in the morning, this fancy place, whatever, what are they called again? This fancy place they're staying at. The, uh, like the QV lodge. Yeah, the QV experience.

Hi, I'm Chris Dan or crystal or Chris We're making you fruit cups and two shots and like this big nice spread So everybody's getting up and Mary Mary Mary Mary goes over to Jenny's room And she's like I have a gift for you, baby This is for doing my makeup and actually taking the time to talk to me. So thanks Yeah, and we see like a flashback with previous night that Jenny was doing make up and actually taking the time to talk to me. So thanks. Yeah, and we see like a flashback with previous night that Jenny was doing uh, Mary's make up and basically it was like she basically apologizes for the incident at the tubing, you know, for for being sort of chippy with Mary and Mary's like, okay, can you accept

that I accept your apology? And she's like, yeah. I'm gonna get a gift. Well, that's such a great way to take an apology too. It's like I'm offering nothing back. Just can you accept that I accept your apology? No apology for me. So then we come back and Mary is like, thank you, thank you for spending time with me.

And they hug. And she hands her a gift and it's freaking Christian Lovatoan shoes. Yeah, this is big shiny like reflecty Lovatoan shoes. I don't, I really don't wanna say blingy, but they were blingy. And Jen's like, girl, if I knew that you were gonna bring me some Christian Lovatoan shoes, I would have talked, I would have talked to Mary two weeks ago, you know?

So, Jen is like, oh, well, I didn't buy him anything and Mary was like, no, she didn't have to buy me anything. I mean, they were already bought him. They were already bought him and she's like, oh. But then, but then Mary tells us, yeah, well, I just, I just grabbed him when I was leaving. I just grabbed him and then I was walking out the door and put in my luggage and then like when she did my makeup, I thought, oh, this will lighten up my luggage. And that's the real reason why she got the shoes. What a wonderful spiritual leader she is.

Yeah, I just had some extra lupathons lying around. So I brought them here to upload them here. Also pretty fishy when she's being accused of all this stuff that she starts offloading all of her assets, just randomly to people. So we go to Heather's room and we see a close-up of a Louis Vuitton bag and then a purse on her nightstand. And Heather goes and knocks on Whitney's door

and Whitney's still in bed. She's all sad and bad. And Heather's like, um, my sister Nancy's driving up. So I'm going to be doing that today. She goes, what are you leaving with her? Well, I thought about walking home. Yeah. When he was very sad this morning. And she says, you know, last night after everyone goes to bed, I'm in my room next to Heather. And I hear Heather laughing So I perked my ear because I thought everyone was asleep and I can clearly make out Lisa's voice

Mary's voice and Heather and it appears to the walls Well, it sounds like to the walls unless I saw something through the walls I don't remember that Mary has just given Heather and Lisa a very nice gift of some sort. Really? You all just talk shit about Mary and now you're being bought off. And then we cut to Lisa and Mary fist bumping at breakfast. They're like, yeah, so Whitney's like, yeah, so I just want to hear you out because I was really hurt.

We were all talking about how Mary could be as much of a fraud as Jane, and then I walked past your room and I hear you laughing with Mary. And so Heather tells us her version. She's like, well, I'm dead asleep. And next thing I know, the doorbell is open and the lights flash and it's Lisa with a giddy smile and Mary presenting me with this gift and jumping on my bed like we're at a fifth grade slumber party. And I went to bed thinking Lisa was mad at Mary saying she stole people's money and the last

thing I would expect would be an hour later than propping onto my bed and asking to raid my hair and giving me a Louis Vuitton. I still don't know why when there are housewives vacations, why they do not put gopros in every single room. Like if they can do it on summer house, they can do it on this show, okay? So Heather is like, I mean, how do I escape a situation, like go downstairs with Mary and then like all of a sudden Mary's barging in my room and leasing her in the lights

and jumped on my bed and Mary had to leave the time with you. And like, what am I supposed to do, you know? And, and she's like, and you know what Heather said? Listen Mary came in and she was like, I don't think I'm God. I don't think I'm God. I don't think I'm God. And she was like very funny about it, you know, like whatever.

So now Whitney is feeling very much like. Right. She said Whitney said that you were God. And she's like, oh, I'm not God. Ooh, what am I God? And Whitney's like, wait a minute. Lisa dumped it all on me. That I said she was a God.

It was you who said that, actually, okay? This is gonna take a lot of blame in this later when we get to her, but you did say that, man, multiple times. So don't pretend that somebody else put that in your mouth because you said your friends with the cousin and the cousin is terrified and the cousin told you all this stuff. So don't act like you haven't been on camera saying shit to. Yeah.

So, um, uh, there's like, yeah, Mary left my room saying she wasn't gonna be your friend and she's best friends with Lisa. I just like it very funny to me. Yes, she's like, what a two face bitch. She's like, I did not leave the Mormon church to come this far just to revert back to lock arms with something I don't believe in. Like I will not blindly follow Mary just because she's gonna get mad at me. She wants to alienate me and make me feel bad. What kind of leader of a church alienates people to make them feel bad? Okay, that was Whitney's monologue.

They need like a Samuel French book of housewives monologue. If we ever go back to high school, we could do these for high school drama. Whitney may offer my services. This is how you do it. What kind of preacher alienates, isolates and hurts? A beautiful girl. There we go. I'm not sure if you're gonna get it. I'm not sure if you're gonna get it. I'm not sure if you're gonna get it. I'm not sure if you're gonna get it. I'm not sure if you're gonna get it.

I'm not sure if you're gonna get it. I'm not sure if you're gonna get it. I'm not sure if you're gonna get it. I'm not sure if you're gonna get it. I'm not sure if you're gonna get it. I'm not sure if you're gonna get it. I'm not sure if you're gonna get it. I'm not sure if you're gonna get it. I'm not sure if you're gonna get it. I'm not sure if you're gonna get it. She ran her sneaky lying manipulative ass to Mary and told Mary that we were all talking about her.

She probably said, I said it, I know Cameron. She probably said this too. You know, I was saying it too. I know Cameron, you know Cameron, but in the middle, there's just a sonic. She probably tried to pin it all on me, but I am not taking the ball. Yes, it's called good housewivesery, okay? She saw that it was spinning out of her control, and so trying to get you dumb-dumms to bring it on camera,

which is what she was trying to manipulate your asses into doing, she went down and told Mary. Yeah, I also think it's very funny that when he does this whole thing, if I did not work this hard to leave the church just to be roped into believing Mary, I'm like, I did not work this hard to leave the church just to be roped into believing Mary. I'm like, okay, this is not, you're not being forced into another religious movement.

Yeah, you know, like, let's not like over, over like burdened this situation with like the, the plight of your Mormon experience. Like that's, that's very melodramatic. So then we hear a doorbell and it's Heather sister Nancy and her and her husband Mike and they're here to get Heather. So they're going to go how about the family? I run Nancy and her brother in law at the center. That's what I didn't catch his name. I'm glad you did. Mike at the center. So they just go, the three of them

go walking through Vail and Heather's like, Oh my god, did you get dressed up for me? And he had to say, Well, I figure once every five or six years, I might as well. All right. And then Mike is very impetuous. He goes, You live eight hours away. It's ridiculous. Like, okay, settle down Austin, Crow. Yeah. And she's like, Well, it was never about the distance. It was about the distance. She know what I mean. She's kind of laughing off, throwing this girl to the bulls, basically. And so they go to lunch and they order some memoses and Heather explains that her sister broke apart

from the Mormon church. And it was a huge fracture in her and all of our family. Yeah, this is the Mormon way. I mean, I've only spoken to my sister a handful of times over the past 20 years. And then we they talk about how basically after their dad died, that sort of started to like, when the, when after Heather's dad died, she decided that she wanted to humble herself and reach out to Nancy and reconnect with her and everything. And, but before they get too far too deep into this, the waiter comes with a waitress to order.

And Nancy is very specific about Pesto. There's a whole situation where she's like, can I get them on Lisa? Does that have Pesto in it? Okay. What about, instead of them on Lisa, could we get the Rembrandt that has Pesto in it too? What about the ham Pesto and X and watch? That has Pesto? I thought that was just the name.

Did we have to come to some place with pesto ever? It's called pesto. You picked it. Did they have sushi at this pesto restaurant? Can I have some mint sushi? That would be great. Oh, so, um, basically, um, Heather's like, so this is what we're getting.

Okay, it's like both situations have pastown. Okay, you can't even eat pastown. This is what people would call a difficult customer, right? Do you want to banish her? You want to banish her right away, there. Yeah, you know, you don't, you may not realize this, but like the tears of Mormonism, there's like celestial, celestial outer darkness and pesto. And Nancy, well, we know where she is. Yeah. Um, so then, um, she goes, did you know you were signing up for this

center mic? And he's like, well, I believe your mother's exact words were, she's feral. Good luck. She's like, yeah, well, that's how she complimented us. Oh, mom, yeah, you know, we called her feral because she just wouldn't follow the family rules, right, man? You know, Sunday, Pesto dinner never wanted to participate in that. So then Sunday ritual of just kneeling down and getting pie met suppressed in for it. Nancy, Nancy was just not all about that. What can I do?

Well, one time, Nancy came home and said, why don't we use walnuts instead of pine nuts? And my mother lost it. So Heather's like, so how long have you guys been married 21 years? And how many times have I even hung out with you five, like five times and Nancy's like, yeah, that's great Heather thing because Heather's like so light about it all. She's like, remember when you were a pianist? And the husband is like, yeah, and that first year was, she was really sick.

She goes, oh right, right, you were diagnosed with MS when I was living in France. Yeah, we didn't really talk about that diagnosis. I mean, I never spoke of you ever, ever. Yeah. Nancy's like, thanks. Thanks a lot. Thank you for taking me to this Pesto oriented restaurant and rubbing that fact into my face.

So Heather basically is talking about how they just didn't have a relationship. And Nancy doesn't really know her kids. And it's like, it's ridiculous. So Heather's just like terrible guilt for being so judgy for all those years. But then once there, a lot of it was wrapped up and then pleasing their dad.

And Heather, please. Well, for Heather. Because Nancy didn't give a fuck, she was like, fine, then fuck you. And left. But Heather's whole thing, like, it would be hard for me to be forgiving in this situation.

Because Heather's whole attitude is like, well, you know, now the dad's dead, we can be friends. It's like, no, fuck off. Like, I needed this proclamation while dad was still alive. For it to be like dad's dead, so you don't have to please him anymore.

And we can be friends. Like, thanks a lot. It feels like a consolation gift. I think you can have actually all of you above I think you can have that angry moment and then you can have that moment of like but you also. Thank you. I got from the spell from the spell. But listen if I were if I were if I were Nancy I'd be like honestly I'm just pissed because you were a balleroy jacket to my wedding and no one else was wearing that. So like, I don't think I can get over that. That wasn't her wedding now. But maybe Heather just got, got addicted to Boleros.

You're right. Maybe, well, whatever she probably is worn many Bolero jackets and she just blamed it on Mormonism, but she kind of has like a, you know, she has sort of like a Bolero thing. Yeah. I mean, once you go Bolero, you don't go, well, that's why she has so many cutouts on her shoulders now, because now that she left Mormonism behind, she's like, not only did I leave Mormonism behind, but beleros. And now my shoulders are out and proud.

I will wear a full-length jacket now. Thank you very much. This is cutouts. So Nancy's pissed, and I like that Nancy was expressing her anger. Oh, god, I'm all blurry. I haven't even been looking at myself. Sorry everybody. Some some to the camera, some to the camera. So Nancy is not having it, which I really liked for Nancy, because I was pissed on Nancy's behalf during this and Heather is like, you know, I have horrible guilt. And now I have to face the judgmental person I was all those years and Heather's like, you know, look, I know it was difficult for you and daddy, but I had a wonderful relationship with daddy because I did everything He wanted I went to be why you I wanted a mission for daddy when I came back I said daddy. I want to go to DC and he said said, don't go to DC. Women are career women there. Find a husband.

And guess what I did? I found Billy. I married Billy. We started having kids. I took him to scary movie, traumatized his ass, and I'm not speaking for about six years. And he's been in a hot tub ever since. And he's like, well, while you've followed your faith,

I did not. In my entire life, I'm jealous of you. The kids, the faith, your relationship with daddy, but it's quite possible that you're jealous of me being wild, feral, wild. So why can't we talk about, why can't we talk about that? It's sad that because I've just always wanted to be you, Heather. This was funny to me because once you guys,

it just don't on me that Heather, you were probably jealous of me too and Heather's just like With your not TV show Yeah, and Heather's like, I mean you do have a TV show. It's called the center, but you're not in it I actually kind of enjoy eating pesto, so I'm not sure how jealous I am of you. Yeah, so basically she's like, you know, I put my faith above my sister and I just hope that we can move on. I just think back to us like not being able to do a funeral for dad. So why don't we do a celebration of life for dad? Would you do that? And she's like, well, you know, I like that because

it's not just a celebration of life for him. You know, we're celebrating you. I mean, you get to live life. Let's start a new and look, I don't, I don't want to be glib and funny, but this is really important to me, Heather. Tito's in water. What are you doing with that? Stop drinking that disgusting. Stop it, Heather.

Heather's like, I've had a lot of drink mentors. I'm still learning basically. Well, as long as you don't bring the Bolero jacket to dad celebration of life, we'll be okay. Yeah. So it was actually a nice scene. I'm at a Heather. What can I say?

I got mad at Heather during the scene. Yeah, I got mad at her. So now back at the house, the women are packing and Lisa's like on the phone with John talking and then Meredith is saying how she booked a private jet to go home and Lisa's like, yeah, Lisa's on the phone with John talking and then Meredith is saying how she booked a private jet to go home and Lisa's like, yeah, we got a private jet and I just was hoping for a bigger plan.

What, what, what, 747 do you need, man? What air bus do you need, man? To go from Vail to Salt Lake City, man, okay? It was hard to be part of a private jet, though, personally. But you know what? Way's not part of' out of gas. So Jenny goes over to Meredith's room

and she's like, whoa, you have so many clothes. Did you even wear any of those? And she's like, wow, I'm really didn't know what we were gonna be doing. Where are we going? We going, even though I plan the trip. Well, I'll thank you, that's my, I tried leaning this mind-gring suit at home and it tells

traumatized and yelled at me. You know what? I was very afraid that we might encounter some terrorism in this cabin, so I thought you prepare because I, if I don't bring 10 different outfits for breakfast, the terrorists, Jen Shaw wins. So then Lisa's there. She's like, oh my god, I love that.

So the fish robber, that's a, I love everything. So Meredith is just kind of nodding at her annoyed. And Lisa's like, how are you? And Meredith says, well, I, you know, I'm very, I and Meredith says, well, I am wearing a sun about last night. I almost threw out my tip of a pinkie size. More, it was wearing a sun.

Well, that thing just sat in my stomach and weighed me down like an anvil. So it was very difficult to sleep. I was also pretty upset. You know what, I was also pretty upset. You know what? I was upset too. And I ended up going to my age room and asking a bunch of questions. I was like, you know, it was like kind of kiss mat because I was like, I was

not walking down to my room. And then her driver's popped open. And I said, can I talk to you? And then I asked questions. Okay. This is our kiss mat. That's not kiss mat. That's not kiss mat or kiss me. What I

would kiss me is, but you were walking down the room and her door was popped open. Like did she open the door or was it propped open? I'm understanding what you're saying. But I think he ran right into Mary's room. So that's why I'm questioning. Also, like even if Mary's door were open, it's not kiss me to walk into the house that you're staying with someone and they're in their room and their door might be open. That's not Kismet.

Oh my God, what are the odds that you're in this house as you have been for the past 48 hours? Oh my God, it's Kismet. It's Kismet. Um, it's Kismet. I was just like, you know, she answered all of my questions. So I was seeing that, but I'm just taking it on and Meredith is like I be like me

me me me me me me me me

me me me me me me me me

me me me me me me me me regret everything anything to wait me about Cameron and will probably work on and deeply upset about it. I feel horribly, terribly and upset about words. Okay. So and then she starts to choke up because and I'll be honest. This is how I want to cry. This is exactly what happened to me last winter. It was all this conversation about me and nobody asked me about what Jennifer Shaw was

singing about me and I can't sit, I feel terribly, if I sit back and let that happen to her when the only one besides you who wasn't sitting and talking about me behind my back. Or as Mary, Mary, quite contradictory. Well, Mary was in her closet the entire year last year. I mean, what does she come to like two events? Like how was she going to talk about you? She wasn't even there.

So Lisa's like, you know what? We all know what it's like having inaccurate things said about us. All of us, right? Like look what's been said about me. Flash off, flash off. You know what? Remember when someone called it? Camdwell and I said, no, flash off. I dare you. This is almost like the terrorism that I experienced when I was accused of canceling Kader-Arts. Okay, so I totally got it.

So, I'm here to say, while we all have this conversation, she is not having a chance to tell her a twelfth. So, if nothing else comes of this, I'm in tune. Thanks, miss. So then we have like a musical interlude, which I liked because it was the typical tabernacle or taberclack acquire, but they added a crow. I don't know if you heard it. It was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah, they really branched out on the music this episode.

I think like the center episode, like where they're singing the center, sister, brother of Ma, they switched to where it wasn't awe, awe music anymore. It was still the same kind of music and it was still the choir, but they were singing. As if to say like, we cannot give you an awe. I'm sorry, but you left the church. Okay. Yeah. You're going to be in some host, bitch. You're going to be in some guest os.

All right. Bring out our own material. So now it's Whitney and Heather having lunch and Heather's just like, where is everyone at? Whitney is hiding from the truth. I did not work this hard to leave Mormonism to sit and eat lunch with only one other person in veil. Heather's my type of girl by the way. She just comes back from lunch and grabs lunch.

I was wondering about that. I was like, no, she said breakfast. I wasn't actually no, they're having lunch. Sorry, but either way, yes. She was like, I love that. She's like, oh, there's lunch. He'll take one. I'll take one. Thank you. They're talking basically a Whitney's still mad, right? So then Lisa and Jenny come in and Lisa's like, guys, would you like to come to the living room? They have coasters and coffee tables. I like those. And Selver, where if you'd like to use any of those things, you know?

I love this pitch for the living room. Guys, the living room has a sofa. And it has a coffee table. Guys, you want to check it out? It's like that's pretty, I just like that she had to explain what was in the living room to get people to come in there. Yeah, well, you're talking to Whitney, you never really know. Where's the pole?

How am I supposed to eat my fried shrimp without a pole? So I want to see everyone down here. This is something I want to do for a horribly long time. And before we leave, I want there to be a resolve. Literally, I would love to buy some resolve because it looks like someone had an

accident on the carpet, so we need to wash that out. But if we can't get that kind of resolve, we can at least get emotional resolve. And I don't want to, I don't want there to be any bad man with things behind people's backs. So what I want to do is have a conversation where we all get so mad, we go into separate corners and talk

behind each other's backs at the end of it. Okay. Who wants to start? And Jenny's like, well, that's pretty wild. I mean, she says she doesn't like talking behind people's back. But then you go and hire a private investigator under your friend behind her back. So which is it, Mary? Jenny, shut up. Okay, you're not part of this. You don't understand anything that's going on. And as far as hiring a private investigator, good for her.

She should have, she should have done that. And I think she was totally in the right. You just be quiet. And that was what even talking behind her back, because she never brought any of the judges stuff up on camera, right? She, yes, that was gathering evidence before she came to bring it on camera, which is kind of what she's talking about doing now.

So stay in your corner, man, until you were called. And so on Meredith Marx said on social media that she hired the private investigator because Brooks was receiving these anonymous threatening text messages. And so she wants to get to the bottom of that because I'm terrorism. Yeah, she was, he apparently somebody who says because just like, just like Jen, to think type it, just like Jen was getting a burner phone and sending these awful messages to everybody.

And so Meredith was like, I'm terrorism, it's cricket, it's a burner, cricket, I'm gonna get from a lot of them. was like, it's Cricket, it's a Brunner, Cricket Town. How dare they use a virgin phone? One of these trying to say about Bruce when there never was a conversation, what sort of things, and when he's even had sex. Now, phone did not choose how to identify it, I can identify it. So, I don't know if I can identify it. For the phone, it's just a dog for her. I think that it's a Metro PCS phone. It's not up for you to say whether it's Metro or Home or Hatero.

Whatever the prefix is, is whatever sexuality that phone is. It's not up to you to label the PC as phone So Meredith is like well, we're friends We need to be here to some point each other and I owe you an apology I owe you a apology with me. I never should have said to you The camera and felt that he was my my own shirt. I'm wrong.

And I am sorry Mary. I never should have said anyone other than you. I was rude. I was lured and I was very hungry for some fun things to eat. So Mary just gives kind of a weird smile. She doesn't really get. She's like, oh, this is about me. OK.

So she just cutting odds. And Whitney's like, yeah, but the only reason this all came up is because Cameron said it. And Mary goes, well, who told you? Cameron told you she was, no, Lisa brought Cameron into it by inviting him to her event and Cameron told Meredith and Lisa goes, wait a minute, what's happening? Well, well, well, it's a tornado, bad weather warning.

Woo, woo, upper alert, upper alert, bad weather warning. Bad weather, bad weather just blow it, bad weather. And so, yeah, so basically Whitney is saying that Lisa has mastered mind this whole situation. And she goes, Lisa invited me and Meredith to her foster Utah event and that then she invites Cameron, who knows Mary from her church, who then spells major tea to Meredith. And then Meredith brought it up to me at the cooking class, and it's clear that she dug up information and marry and spread it,

and plant seeds, and have everyone house, do their dirty work, and there was no catering. They canceled the caterers at the church. With me is such a ding dong. The way she tells this, like she's just discovered, like she solved this whole case that we basically just seen it She's like mmm the way she knows she went on watch what happens and Thank you Joe who sent us this on Instagram. I just read it today. It's cracking up. It's a clip of Whitney

She goes well because Andy's like wow Whitney I have to say I Under estimated you wow, I mean the fact that you were on that bus to go on a trip with your friends and then you just started explaining the Gen Choccase. I mean my blow you were so smart with me when he's like uh huh yeah first of all, I've received a nightmare. And second, you know, like I may or may have not known that Jen was involved with Prosper all along. Because when the show was cast, you know,

people started telling me that Jen's involved in Prosper. So I did not know at all that Jen was involved with Prosper. It's like, what? What the fuck kind of double speakers that she can't even remember in the same sentence with the else she's saying? Oh gosh, classic Whitney. So basically, but the thing is that Whitney is trying, as using this moment to try to get Mary angry at Lisa,

she's basically saying like, don't be mad at Meredith because Meredith only said it because Lisa set her up to do it. So Lisa's like, but so it's not my fault because Cameron's part of the board of the father Utah. It's my fault, the McRibb. It's only seasonal, it's my fault. Well, you obviously got Cameron on camera on purpose

and tried to have Whitney there. So Whitney would be the leaker of this new, I mean, it's duh. It's obvious, right? So Meredith was like When he excels me, she says that's what that's way it feels to me that they're just trying to set me up for being set it setting up of other people It's something and she's like here we go. God everything sees this fall. You know what? I don't control everything. I'm not responsible for everything if it were Chick-fil-A like if I were Chick-fil-A would now be up in on Sundays Okay, take accountability for your own actions. I am sick of this

You weren't even at the threshold party whose guest list wasn't even done by me It was done by two children who happened to run the company who I happened to know and who I happened to live with It was done by two children who happened to run the company who I happened to know and who I happened to live with Well, what I want for you marrying is to say whatever you want to say the floor is yours So Mary's like I didn't bring this I didn't bring camera in into this. He did it himself I just made sure he had lighting a microphone and a private place to talk to Meredith Well, I stood over and watch what they were doing Okay It's time for commercial a microphone and a private place to talk to Meredith while I stood over and watch what they were doing. Okay! It's time for commercial.

It's time for a crapence commercial. So, Mary is like, uh, I don't know why I owe any food explanation or why it should even be a conversation. Why are you looking at me? Because I want to. And if I'm not able to speak for myself, then my name shouldn't be brought up. Winnie. Yeah, and Whitney's like,

I tried to bring it up last night, but then you got up and left. I was going to ask you. And she goes, Oh, you're exhausting. You are exhausting. You're so exhausting. And she's like,

Heather's like, well, why are you coming for me now? And she goes, bring your head down, baby. You're nobody. I really want the marriage of her another little girl. Oh, girl. So Heather's like, I think you're being unfairly mean to her. I'm not going to say to your silently. I'm going to say to your make a slathering motion

because I'm going to actually make another sandwich. OK, you just don't have any mayo. OK, no one ever said she was disper- saying it's disparaging word about you. Yeah, she goes, I feel like you're being unfairly mean to her, Mary is like, I don't care. She goes, you know, you let her be unfairly mean to me and you just sat there and you looked at it.

And we get us. And Heather just squints. She's like, what the fuck while she's drinking her diet coke, she's like, what the fuck is this lady on about, right? So Mary is like, don't you find that a double standard? She's like, what the fuck is this lady on about right so Mary I said don't you find that a double standard and Heather goes when what are you talking about when did I do that? Just when she got up and yelled at me at my event Heather's like you had been a horrible to her at that event you guys were fighting. That's what a fight is and Mary goes

I promise you I mean nothing by that and these goes goes, you car about Whitney, don't you? Of course I care about Whitney, which is funny because everyone's like, you do. Yeah, you can. She does. She cares about Whitney. And then there's like, last night when you guys came to my room, that was not the message. I mean, that was delivered to me. I mean, you guys delivered a totally different message.

And Whitney's like, why did you guys delivered a totally different message and when he's like Why did you make such a big switch like literally the at the table? You were saying one thing and then you got up and you went great question That's great question everything I Love that question great question so great. I love that question. I love everything about it I love the punctuation market we're written so good So when you say, Mary, Mary, I believe that she saw a suffer in our relationship and then so she swooped down

to manipulate it so she can use me for her gain. Yeah, and he's like, that is so beyond ridiculous. It's beyond offensive. It's like when they took away monopoly from McDonald's for years on end It's just not cool, okay, and Mary's like I don't get manipulated. I don't yeah, I don't do that I know that Mary. She's like so if you believe that then you have to ask Lisa I mean you can't just make assumptions and let me tell you you know what stop doing this to me

I'm sick of it. I'm not some mastermind with the remote control controlling all of you guys stand up with me. See? I'm standing now. What's it done with me? Okay? See, you know, you guys you think that what do you think I control everything? You know, you weaponize your words You make me feel less than I don't feel equal. I can't make you feel any way with me And when he goes I know I'm not less than, well, think that best of me, I'm not the worst. And I was, if you think that best of me, and not the worst, or, okay, let me start over.

Oh, thresholds, think that best of me, I'm not the worst, or I will start thinking the worst of you, and you won't like it, because this is what's gonna be like, oh my God, I just thought the worst thing about you, and how's that feel? That was the worst, right? Oh, that hurt, I felt it.

All right, roll over. Wow. Good job. So Lisa's like, I'm not going back there with you, but nah, and she tells us, I'm in New Yorker. If I'm on a do something, I do, but you'll know about it. And if I'm gonna talk about you behind your back,

I'm gonna tell you first, and then I'm gonna own it when I talk behind your back. Hey, Wendy, what? I'm gonna talk about you behind your back, I'm gonna tell you first, and then I'm gonna own it when I talk behind your back. Hey Whitney, I'm gonna talk behind your back. Okay. See? Lisa's literally never done that. Like, hey, hey, hey, baby gorgeous, I'm gonna talk behind your back right now.

Hold on one second. So then Lisa is like, I don't think anything, but nice things about you all the time. Just the way Lisa and I mean, what's her face? Uh, Aubrey and Marco think nice things about me. Okay. Roll over with me. Roll over. You did that. Well, nice thought. Nice thought about you rolling over. And Mary's like Lisa, Lisa, Lisa,

10, you're a 10, bring it down. Maybe two or two. And when he's like, well, I want to know is what changed when you went down to Lisa 10, you're a 10, bring it down, maybe to a 2. And when he's like, what I want to know is what changed when you went down to her room. I'm like, hi! Mary goes, Lisa, Lisa. And others like, well, my lights came on the middle of the night and you gave me a gift. And Mary's like, yeah, well, that's none of anyone's business. So I got a gift, she got a gift, she got a gift,

everyone got a gift. Whitney, did you get a gift? She's like, no, I did not get a gift. And Mary's like, no, I haven't given it to her yet. And I'm not gonna give it until I feel like it. That's not your business, okay? So it's not even the, it's actually a reward. It's not a gift, it's a reward.

So Heather goes, well, the point is you came in the room and you said you're done with Whitney, right? And you seem pretty giddy about it. I was not giddy. Okay, you're delusional. I was very sad. I was very sad and I only think the best things about her. Whitney jumping jacks. Jumping jacks Whitney jumping jacks. And she's like, yeah, but you were smiling like a chester catly sad. I was smiling because you got a Louis Vuitton bag and she said, look, it's you with your first real bag. And so it made me laugh, Heather, okay? It made me laugh.

You know, it's like the first bag that's not from Target. Sorry, sorry that I laughed. Like what do you want from me? I'm sorry that I laughed that I gave you a Louis Vuitton bag into in the morning and you managed to pull out a foot long sub from the sheets and put it in the bag so quickly.

I never saw that happen before. It was funny to me. I'm sorry. So Heather's like, well, it's totally normal for you to go down a talk to her when you've been talking about her all night and then come to my room with a Louis Vuitton back smiling. Okay, okay. I guess that's all just normal. And this goes, oh yeah, let's just stop him out of these. You know what? We're not doing that anymore to stop's a stop-at-a-stop-at. And when he goes, what did you all get? Mary's like, what does it matter? So, but of course they're all so happy to say it.

Jenny's like, well, I got a pair of shoes and Lisa's like, well, she gives me a Chanel clunch, which is Avila Joneros. And to you, Meredith, she's, I'm, I'm only from Tom here. So I was pretty good. I lost it though,, I'm angry. I'm only from small hair. So I was pretty good. I lost it though because I was shaking my head very angrily before. I think it went flying off into the wall. I don't know if someone could find that for me please.

Well, I am not hurt because I didn't get a gift. I am mad because I thought, uh, uh, hold on, tears are coming. Uh, okay, they're not. I'm mad because I thought we were friends and clearly we are not and that hurts me. And Mary goes, well, you started talking about me. So she's no only to the ditch group of girls last night and it was a group effort.

It wasn't just me trying to single you out, Mary. Yeah, because we were trying to piece it together and Mary points at Heather and she's you you you and There's like she's like well. I have I have a lot of questions that just need clarification. Okay And you know a week ago. I was happy to not ask any questions, but it's been a traumatic week You know and Mary's like she goes well nobody question Jen and I didn't ask for my life I didn't ask for my inheritance. I didn't ask for my inheritance to compare what's happening with her.

That's evil, okay? Because like, they, they, they, they, they compared my church and my faith with someone who's stealing and insulting, and that hurts. Yeah, but I also have to just stop and say, with me, yes, you did. You came last night to pull this shit on Mary, and you did it after Mary got mad at you at her party and you said you just wait

You said something like I'll get you. What did she say to her when she was like I'm gonna find then I get on or something Like it's on game on or something like that Then you went on camera and said that your cousin was traumatized by her really stop pretending that this is someone else's fault Like Lisa has her own thoughts and I'm not saying she doesn't but for Whitney to be here like everyone's manipulating me and I just that makes me crazy on these shows. It makes me crazy when it's like always someone else's fault. You came in with your own information, ma'am. And you were going to bring it up last night when you were all wasted. So, I guess. Yeah. So I would say, say The goal so then Heather Heather's basically saying how blind allegiance to friendship isn't isn't healthy and Emma is like both but like you know

But Jen manipulated you etc. And Heather goes, but you're manipulating me too in a different way You get so mad and then we can't talk about it Marry goes I couldn't manipulate it you I mean when we were at when we were at the table, it's just, yeah, at the cooking class, or, yeah, that one too, at the cooking class. And she goes, oh, she goes to cooking class. I mean, look, I was on bowling knees and wine. She goes, I don't care. I mean, you're always on some kind of wine.

Someone's always having to drive you home. And it's like, Mary had said, you could have manipulated me. Like, you're saying, I'm manipulated you, but you could have been manipulating me. And that's when Heather's like, what are you talking about? When would I have manipulated you

and just like get that at the ball at the cooking glass? Yeah. And so Meredith is trying not to laugh because it's just getting so crazy. And Mary goes, but you know, you being taken home after every event because of your wine, that's besides the point. And Heather's like, you know what,

I am done with this conversation. You know what I'm done with women being unkind to me and doing little shady digs at me. And she goes, okay, well, you have a good day. And waves her off like, you're gonna nitpick me. I have overlooked the fact that you are married to your step granddaddy, that you are horrible to a lot of people and you're going to pin me to the cross

for needing to be loaded for whenever I have to interact with you. When people start drinking when you come around, it's because no one wants to deal with your crazy. And Lisa's like, wow, that you did it to me is too. And Heather's like, you know what I also found on kind was you showing up to my room at like two to two a.m. like, wow, I'm with my new best friend with new intentions. And Lisa's like, Mary, would you just explain the conversation to them so they understand the conversation?

And Heather's like, no, I don't want to talk to you people. You're all crazy. And she starts walking off and like yelling behind her back. She's like, and we're all doing what we said last night. We weren't going to do. No one will say anything because everyone's afraid of Mary. Because it was Mary, Mary. Did you ever have to sing that song, Ronnie?

Dear theater school, theater times. Anyway, Meredith is like, well, if we could all just sit down and have conversation, maybe throw around the word, resolve a little bit more. No, you just accused everyone of being something that we're not. Mary, we had a great conversation. It was, and then Heather's like, it was not great, Mary.

She told us that her best friend sold his house because he was under your spell, Mary. And Lisa's like, no, I did not say spell. I said, cult like witchery religious trauma, not a spell. But in her defense, that isn't what she said. So she's like, the thing when I said, and that's the biggest line, we already talked about it. And Marigas, yeah, we already talked about that lie. And Lisa's like, Heather, you can hear what we're talking about if you came back, but you bow because you can't stop. You don't get to say rude things to me.

So when he's like, I am going to go get Heather, even though we are basically the ones accusing Mary of everything right now, we will leave and then we mad that no one is confronting Mary. So she walks off and Lisa's like, you know what, cameras are mutual friends, so I'm not going to say anymore. But you see Meredith, now that was set up, it's wrong. It's what constantly happens. Yeah, and when you say Heather Heather Look who's like it like like who's God because it's not me I don't have a remote control telling everyone who to think and be she loves talking about like this remote control As if that's how you manipulate someone. I don't have a remote control. Okay guys. I can't press mute

And I can't change you to channel nine. Okay, that's not who I am. I don't have a remote control. Okay guys. I can't press mute and I can't change you to channel nine. Okay. That's that who I am I don't have a remote control. I can't control everybody Whitney fall down the stairs Good job Whitney. Good job. So Whitney goes to Heather who's crying in the bathroom and Heather's like fuck this crap I don't want him to want to fly in a plane with them and be around them. And Whitney's like, what can I do? I mean, not much, but you're really pretty. No, I mean, like right now. Oh, I want to see you. So, Whitney goes to the girls and what, when he is like, I feel like I'm in a big mind-fuck and I can't get out of it. We're gonna go to the airplane and take our own flight. Go to the bus.

We're gonna take a bus, a shitty bus, a very shitty bus. That'll take 15 hours, 15 hours, and go to Santa Fe and said, how we're going to Santa Fe? Now do a time step. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Wow, I didn't even know I knew how to tap. Good job with me.

So Lisa's like, my camp't we just have a conversation? And Heather from Heather here is a downstairs and goes, oh, just fuck off. And she says, this is hell. I just almost wish that the feds had come and arrested me so I could stop spending time with these women. And Whitney's like, this is too much for Heather right now. And she cannot do it.

And Mary says, well, had this conversation not come up about me last night and she had her two cents, then we wouldn't be going through this. So she doesn't want to put energy into this and then fine. Yeah. So, everyone is being too face right now, Mary. No one's being too face. No one's being too face, Mary. So she walks off and Meredith is like, I'm sorry Mary. I'm

really like well the truth of the matter is is if you were being a good friend to me, this wouldn't be happening because you guys had said it if you guys had said it to me, a set of behind my back. And she's like, Mary, Mary, listen. Every one of them was talking about you and your church, all of them were Mary, and you did something to rip people off, similar to what Jen was doing.

That's what they were saying, Mary. And Mary's like, don't believe what you hear, little girls. You have your own experience with me, have your own experience with my church, and then Mary starts crying. Because I believe in what I do. And Jenny is like, no, I agree. I'll make my own judgment.

But I was given into it, and I took it on like a woman, and I was a child. I believe in God. I believe in rescue. I believe in deliverance. I believe in it all. And for them to put me with someone who criminalizes, I manipulate is horrible. Hor horrible, horrible, horrible,

horrible, and I've never ripped that, and went off. I don't need to, I was born into money. I didn't ask for it. It wasn't given to me. Now, now that I know all you guys, you go from gent to me, that's horrible, horrible. And Heather doing all that yelling, her little choppy self, that's mean.

She's out there and she talked about me. That's mean. Oh my god. She says that's mean. We do what that is. What the hell? So Mary is just like, Mary, they're handing you this episode. All you have to do is sit there and look hurt.

And you would have won this whole episode. But you have to be such a fucking asshole. Who says that? That is so rude. She's doing all your yelling with her little chubby self. Fuck off. She doesn't have people selling their houses for her to go get, you know, whatever she needs done, done. You asshole. So Mary is like, you know, she talks about me and then confronts me in a group. And so Lisa follows her into the kitchen. And Mary is like,

that is horrible. I've been through this my life. People just they hate me for me and my lifestyle. No, they hate you because you're ripping people off Mary and things like you just said right now. That's why they hate you. And Lisa's like, it's painful. I know what I know from my friend Cameron, but I also have complete empathy from Mary

because there's nothing worse than feeling attacked over things that you cherish like your own personal little cult Yeah, you know what? It's if your question to on your beliefs like a waitress asked me one time if I wanted to die at Pepsi I was almost put into a mental asylum to recover to not question my choice So Mary's like, I mean, I don't think I've got I just worship the God in me and he is in me I was like, okay, so that's why people say you say you're God because you literally said worship God inside of me.

Okay. But also wouldn't it be the type that would be very literal about that? She has actually captured God and it's halting him hostage in her chest cavity. And so Mary is like, it's not fair to put me with someone. So like, when I think about Jen, I see a heartless thug. Like, you know those Mexican people that make all those drugs? I like, oh, God. I am not with Mary.

Mary. Mary. Just like those Mexican people, what the hell is wrong with you? So I was, I was really backing this horse and things went horribly wrong, and I thought they were going horribly well because she said horrible two times in her monologue, but I am mad to set back slowly from this one. No Meredith's in the other room crying, going, best isn't just me. This is her business and her face. And he just can't put things like that out.

And do the universe and tell you no control. Why is Meredith going so hard for Mary? It just is so bizarre to me. Yeah, it really is. So then and she still is. But she still is to this day. She loves Mary. She when I when I when I it's like a month ago,

she's like, wow, Mary, him Cosby. She has one of my kind. She has one of the funniest people I have ever. She is great. She can be hardly, I believe, funny, hardly. So then Heather is, she can't find her other purse. She has a Valentino purse that she can't buy. So they're looking for her purse And then she passes Mary in the hall and Mary goes I want my purse back

That's just keeps walking and she goes Heather. Can I say this Heather? If you were trying to be my friend None of this would have happened. So if you just to walk off and Heather goes I'm very sorry I hurt you Mary. She's your liar. She's goes, I'm very sorry. I hurt you, Mary. She's your liar. She's, Oh, I'm the liar. Wow, Mary. Wow. I'm the Mary just goes, you're weird. That's bold coming from Mary. So now they're loading up with the vans and wouldn't you talk to Heather and she's like, you're my girl. And I don't think you're wrong. So I'm staying with you. And I feel the same way. But if you decide to change your mind, I don't think you're wrong. So I'm staying with you and I feel the same way But if you decide to change your mind, I wouldn't mind seeing what a private plane is like for the first time

So you have about 30 seconds not gonna change your mind. Okay, you're my girl You're my girl and they're like hiding from everybody because everyone's packing into the van and they're like hiding They're sitting on the steps So they're kind of like behind the banister of the steps just sitting there, you know, looking up flights on orbit or whatever. So then the other ladies get to the private jet and the guys like we have eight passengers, right? They're like, no, we lost a couple the way they say it. We lost the comp. We're really going to be nine, but one of them is facing federal indictment charges and the other two are just kind of getting into it.

They're just crying. So then Lisa's like, this is ridiculous. I've had her in one day. I just kept her mouth shut for five minutes and her wife Mary had to say, I'm at the conversation, Mary and I had, then they would be flying home commercial.

They wouldn't be flying home commercial. They'd be taking their shoes off and security. Oh, you know what I'm saying? I totally messed up my line, but you know what I meant. So then basically that's it. So then we get the preview for the rest of the season and it looks amazing. So what do you think of all this about all of Lisa's manipulating? I mean, Lisa is a character, right character right I mean she is the one she invites Cameron to this thing Cameron like spills the tea to Meredith the ball gets the ball gets

rolling that they start this whole process and everything she is the I mean she's been so shifty and shady and she is the one who really starts like at this at this right club thing. I don't remember if she started the conversation, but she definitely exit on. She definitely is like, well, my camera, my friend Cameron says this and like, okay, and she sort of says all this stuff. And she even says, I 100% believe Cameron. And then she goes until his marry and makes it seem like they were the ones talking,

talking this shit. It's like, it's kind of amazing. It's like it's so I Don't understand her plan, but whatever she's up to I'm deeply entertained Yeah, her plan seems so weird right now because it's like okay You got them you got this stuff on camera about Mary, but then you don't really dislike Mary You don't have any problems that we can see with Mary and the Whitney had all this information She's been sitting on just waiting for Mary to fuck with her which Mary did so she'd literally set on camera like

You'll see or whatever she said right to come after her I mean you but I just like it's so funny watching Lisa Try to manipulate people that are too dumb to do what she needs to need them to do right? So then it becomes this big thing and And then she still does it anyway. Like she doesn't care. She's like, okay, this is all a mess. I'm just gonna go tell Mary straight up. She did tell Mary straight up, like we were talking about it.

I know Cameron, I heard this stuff from Cameron. So it's not like she was trying to hide any of that. I mean, she didn't say I had an event. Well, she did say I have an event that Cameron came to, didn't she? Yeah, well, also don't say, I had an event. What she did say I had an event that Cameron came to, didn't she? Yeah, well, also don't forget that Lisa was mad at Mary because Mary snapped at her tubing. So this was all Lisa's revenge to take down Mary.

But my favorite is also Whitney, who is like, on the one hand, Whitney is very proud of herself because she sniffs out the manipulation. She's like, oh, she wants to be my friend, but she wanted to set me up to do all this stuff. I'm like, yeah, but you did it. You literally did everything that you're accusing Lisa of setting you up to do.

Like you're acting like you caught onto it, but you actually just did the exact things that were expected of you. Yeah, and that's always my storyline. And of course, it's another Lisa, right? So this is the storyline about, like she's always my story and of course it's another Lisa right so this is the storyline about like she's manipulating me And this is kind of my same opinion for that you know like when it comes to the religious trauma and all of that I I could speak to it probably a little bit

But why bother like I don't think it matters for this in this case like for that I'll give a little leeway for, right? But as far as like housewives, like, oh, I'm so, she manipulated me into doing this. Just bullshit, just enough with that. Like to call her out on manipulation. Of course, she was trying that we've all seen them. I think that she is guilty of that. But you're still the one who did it. And you made it 10 times worse by bringing the cousin into it. And, you know, being nasty about it on camera when you got all drunk at that dinner.

Well, and your point from earlier, which is about, like, okay, Lisa's, like, Whitney's going to accuse Lisa of being the manipulator, but the moment that she and Mary had like any sort of fight, Whitney immediately just spilled the tea about this cousin and they think that she's got and then be careful of her So that's kind of actually pretty manipulative. Yeah, I mean they all they all are trying to manipulate each other to some degrees But it's just it's just funny and all but I will also say I mean I'm gonna Lisa definitely seems like she's constantly manipulating But I also feel like if Whitney and Lisa

are gonna have this moment where it's like, you know what, let's be friends. And I kind of feel like Whitney never kept up her end of that. I know that sounds weird to take up for Lisa in that way because Lisa's constantly manipulating. But also like Whitney has, like she has continued to come for every single episode since then. And so like, I think that's actually a little,

like you kind of have to put some effort into holding up your end of whatever this friendship thing is, rather than just like the moment something bad happens, you mean like you manipulated. Admittedly, the cater gate thing was really bad. I mean, that looked, that was so obviously a manipulation to having the two of them come to their table and be like, oh, what's happening to you, Lisa? It's terrible, it's terrible.

It's like, look at that. But it's also clearing your name. And you know, you have to bring it on camera somehow to clear your name and say, I didn't, these caterers didn't get rid of that because of me, they did it because of XYZ. They still couldn't say it's because of production and they wouldn't announce arcade ring company or give us any kind of plug and why would we do your free food for no commercials or you know what I mean, no plugging.

So she has to get it on camera. So of course she's just clunky about it. She's so clunky about it but Whitney's pretty clunky about it too and what Whitney and Heather both do, you know, Whitney held onto this information about the cousin until she could use it when she was pissed off. And then you really see what Heather thinks too, when she was like, really Mary, I forgave you in your step granddaddy in this and that. It's like, okay, so you're holding that nastiness in too. It's almost like when you're in a relationship with somebody,

you shouldn't think about the person that you want to marry. You should think about the person you want to divorce, because it's like, who's going to get nasty in that breakup and how nasty are they going to be and are they going to offload everything they learned about me and all my secrets and are they just going to get really low, you know? Also, I think that would be fair to say that, I think that Loki Meredith is doing some sort of manipulation. I think that she is trying to build an anti-gen team and I think that would be fair to say that, I think that Loki Meredith is doing some sort of manipulation. I think that she is trying to build an anti-gen team, and I think that's why she's probably really curing the favor of Mary and all this

because Meredith is up to something. There is something going on with her. I think they're all up to something except, I think Jenny's trying to manipulate something but she's like accidentally manipulating a cabinet and she doesn't realize like that. She's manipulated like she's like not Trying to be on the show. She's just trying to be a part of it But everything's going full steam ahead and she's not really involved in any of those stories But then Meredith, you know the thing with Lisa bringing Meredith to the party and then having the setup with camera

And of course that's a Lisa setup to get the Cameron stuff on camera. But if she's doing it through Meredith, and she knows Meredith is close with Mary, then it's not really that evil because it's almost like she's getting Mary to have a sympathetic conversation on camera with Mary about Cameron, right? Because Meredith, Meredith isn't going to use it in an enemy way, but then she also invited Whitney. Well, Lisa is, but remember Lisa, again, I was mad about the tubing, and so she wants to turn Mary's friends against her. That's why she invited Whitney and Meredith to the threshold thing where Cameron would be, right? And I think that like Meredith may, I feel like initially I thought that Meredith was down

for the task because I think that Meredith was hearing these things, this is my conspiracy theory. Meredith was hearing these things and was like, I need to distance myself from this lady, but I don't wanna be the one, I don't wanna just be wild about it. I wanna act like, you know, I want to show that I've heard these things and now I can't trust her.

But then the Gen Shostop happens and she's like, wait, Mary's actually like my biggest asset right now because Mary is so anti-gen Shaw. So then she's decided, I'm scuttling that plan. I want Mary back in my corner. This is just like in my mind thinking like this is a soap opera. So if it's like not me doing that. Well, yeah, because that's all it is. It's trying to figure out how they're working each other against each other, right?

Because at first I thought, well, she's trying to manipulate, at least it's trying to manipulate Meredith into getting that information on TV about Mary or getting it to Mary and starting to fight or manipulating Whitney into it. So like what's her reason for doing that? But then I guess it's just to say of what she said in this episode like I know Cameron

And of course I know all this and we're friends, but that information is still out there But I think it's funny that Meredith didn't take the bait, right? Like she didn't go to Mary and start a big thing about it because she knew she probably knew Lisa was trying to manipulate her But she still tried to use Whitney as a weapon by telling Whitney that stuff, right, when Whitney got in a fight with Mary. I think it's just so funny. It's like they both decided to manipulate

something at different times, but they both choose Whitney and Whitney totally fell into it. And then you got Heather who, I don't feel like Heather's manipulating anyone. I think she thinks that everything's great. And then she's like, every day she realizes that another facet of her life has been manipulated. She's always feeling so betrayed. Heather's always trying to bring it against Lisa. I mean, every little thing that happens on the show, Heather and Whitney are like, oh my god, Lisa,

this is Lisa's master plan. So I think she's totally, I don't know how manipulative she is, as far as storylines and stuff, but they're always trying to get it focused on what a liar Lisa is, you know. It's gonna be funny. They all are. I mean, Jen Shah is just trying to manipulate just her image. That's all she's just trying to rehabilitate her image

at all times, because it's always gone terribly, horrifically awry. Well, interesting to see that the show can do so well with that, Jen Shah, because she hasn't been on and it's been great. Like it's been fine. So that's not good for her. It's not great news for her and the future of this show, but it's certainly fun to watch. It's honestly, it is just so good.

We've had some really amazing shows on Bravo this year. We're going to start compiling nominees for the crappies pretty soon. I think it's safe to say this one will definitely be a contender for Best Show of the Year. Just thinking back on all the good content that we've had from New Jersey at the beginning of the year to this, it's really been wonderful, but this one is just so, it's so rich, like on different, different levels. But that being said, another absolutely wonderful show is Real Housewives Ultimate Girl Trip, and we're going to be recapping episode five. That'll be up tomorrow-ish today, tomorrow, whenever. So keep an eye out for that. Thank you all for being here. Don't forget to check out Take a See. We're going to talk about more of this on Take a See. We also probably should talk about the Gen Shaw documentary that came out.

We didn't get to talk about it last week on Take a See because I think it just come out like that evening or something. So I'm sure we'll touch on that. And all the other good stuff that's gonna be tonight at seven o'clock on the West Coast, 10 o'clock on the East Coast, that's on Spotify Green Room. Come just follow me, Ben Mandelker or Ronnie, Ronnie Karen, or just look for Take a Seat. We'll be there.

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