Watch What Crappens - Special Bonus #620: Daisy Kelliher and Marc MacNamara from Yacht Mess Pod

Episode Date: April 8, 2026

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Hello and welcome to Watch Whatchwrapins. Today we have a very special episode. We're with Daisy Callagher and Mark McNamara from the Yacht Mess Pod. Hello, welcome. Hi. Welcome, guys. I'm excited to be here. Thanks for having us. So good to see you guys. Oh, my God. Mark's like, oh, I'm just in my little bedroom. It's so sad because I'm hiding for my dogs. That's as big as any apartment I've ever seen as a background. That's gorgeous. That's a one nice thing I have is my apartment. everything else sucks. Mark's apartment's pretty nice. It is, I got to stay there a few weeks ago, and I was living my best New York life. I was like, oh, this is where I belong.

That is how to do it. Daisy, where are you right now? I am in London, also in a bedroom, not my bedroom. This is a much nicer apartment than mine. I am babysitting my friend's baby. So I'm fitting this in. Oh, my gosh. I need Andy in a camera.

I know. Is the baby a be okay while you podcast? a podcast with us? She's still here. She's still here. It's all right. Baby's holding onto a fan blade just swinging around in a circle. We did a podcast.

She was babysitting and she was going door to door asking him if this was his home. So I am concerned. This is the same baby. I know we had a meeting and I was in a cab. And I was like, Cosmo, which is your heist? He's like, this one. He's like, Sue.

And I'm like, it's very stressful. Amy, our manager and Marks on the meeting and they were like, what is going on here? I was like, yeah, this is a lot. That's very stressful. Do you find that actually your experience in yachting makes you a very good babysitter? Yes. People have said that before. I'm pretty organized because, you know, in previous boats before Blowdeck as well,

like I worked on my family boats. So it'd be like, we're going to the beach. And I'd be like, here's your sun cream, snacks, towels, but for the crew as well, not just for the guests. And I had a few people comment to being like, why, you could honestly be a mom for 10 children. You were, you're just thinking about everything all the time. Yeah, I've trained my brain at this stage. The table's set gloriously by the time the parents get home. The kids just putting, you know, gay penises everywhere, gay penis puppets everywhere.

Like, where did they get this? So how is it? So how long have you guys been doing your podcast? We've actually just hit the six month mark. Wow. It feels like you've been a rachelors. Yeah. I don't know if that's a good thing or about it.

It is. No, in a great way. It feels like you're established. How did you guys meet, by the way? Mark was actually a guest on Below Deck. So he, yeah. He was a guest on Below Deck sailing season five. the drag charter that almost got us fired and kind of at the end there.

And yeah, Mark started off. He was the one who kept saying anal. I know. And you guys hated me because I listened to you guys and you guys, oh, that idiot. Listen, I said anal twice, which is two times too many. I agree. And I used two times and I get it. Okay.

So I personally don't remember because it all blurs together, but I'm assuming we did something like this. Adel. Right. Do we do something like that, the Empire podcast? I actually remember that episode of Watcher Crappins really well as well because it made me laugh so hard because part of editing is you don't see all of it. So like Mark said, it was two times too many. But it really wasn't that bad. But everyone like online and everyone was like, God, what's this guy's obsession with anal?

And I'm not obsessed with anal. I'll do oral. But like it just I shouldn't have brought it up. It's true. I just feel like every time there's, every time there's. charter guests, they're like, take the gayest shit they do and then just copy and paste it 30,000 times. Yeah. Throughout the thing, you know, the guests also don't help it.

You know, there's always like a pride team or, you know, a drag or it's, but it's, they're a super full. And yeah, me and Mark, you know, we got on and you, well, you aren't, you tell the rest of the story because you came to me with the pot. Well, someone came to me with the pod and the original idea was for, uh, you and Asia. and then it ended up being me and you. And then the same person named it Yop Mess. And then we kind of did a test because we hadn't, we didn't really know each other. We had known each other from the boat.

We had met when Daisy came and did watch what happens live. But we weren't, we didn't know much about each other other than surface friends. So it was kind of like a leap. Like, we're going to do a podcast together. Let's test it. And we just got on really well. And we got to know each other through the process.

Yeah, it's been a fun kind of journey. And, yeah, getting to know each other. And it turns out we're like the same person. So we got it for that. Yeah, it's been a really fun, you know. You're super into anal now, which is weird. I was back to say. I know.

I know. Mark, what's it like when you're a guest on that show? When, you know, you just come in for one charter and you've, I would imagine you'd feel like, well, it's no big deal, you know, maybe I'll just kind of be in the background. and then you're kind of famous forever because they repeat over and over and over. Do you get recognized a lot from being on it? Not necessarily from being on it, but I was, so when the call came through to ask me to be on it, they had originally asked Detox and Bianca Del Rio, another drag queen,

and because I'm really good friends with them, they said, oh, let's go with Mark. And then I was on the safari, like away from any communication in South Africa. And they're like, hey, would you do it? And then I wasn't able to go on any. They do like a couple of Zoom calls to tell you what's going to happen and everything. I didn't get to be a part of any of that. So I just showed up that day and kind of jumped into it, not really knowing what was, you know, like, I didn't even know how many days we were going to be there, to be honest.

So I just got really lucky and just kind of lived it as if a vacation, which I think is better because then I wasn't nervous about anything or nervous about what the process was. I was just able to go and be myself, talk about things I shouldn't have. and have a vacation. So it was, it was a lot of fun for me. It was no stress. Did you have anything on your preference sheet that was violated? Yes.

Actually, the chef was not. Very old. I don't know if you remember chef, poise. He was like 21. Yeah. Oh my gosh, Coise. Yes. A little haircut.

It just came rushing back. They were kind of good guess because the best guess on the show are, You know, you guys have seen a lot of seasons now, but what people really enjoy is when guests are, they're fun, but they also tell us when they're not happy. And they don't have to be rude about it, but, you know, it doesn't work in production when they're like to each other, oh my God, we hate the food.

And then I come up and then I'm like, how was everything? And they're like, amazing. And then I go back down in production, I'm like, they fucking hated it. And I'm like, I don't know what to tell you. I'm like, you can't. You know, we can't move with the story. then.

And so they were, those guys were great because they were fun, but also kind of said, like, we don't like the food. And, you know, that puts pressure on, you know, whether it be me or, um, or the, the chef, whatever it is, that's, you know, the kind of best to push story. So, yeah, Mark was not happy. Well, I don't even think you were the worst. He was, oh, Lola was not happy. He did make me throw up because, I asked for biscuits and gravy because I'm trash.

And he made it with like clam juice. And like doing the clam chowder and I threw up immediately, but like I ripped my mic off. So I did because I didn't want them to get that. And like he made me throw up. So it wasn't like just being dramatic. It was actually gross. Yeah. Clam chowder gravy.

I mean, I love clam chowder. But like that's just going a little bit too far. Like not when you're not expecting it. Like you don't want an unexpected clam chowder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Clam juice. Clam juice isn't just something you put in anything, especially biscuits and gravy. I mean, what the hell? Cloyce. I mean, I guess if you said it was, hey, this is a clam chowder with, like, served on a biscuit.

It's really not that far from, like, scooping your bread into a bowl. But I think, again, if you're expecting, like, southern gravy, and then you're getting clam chowder, that's, like, a shock to the system. For sure.

Daisy, what is it like being on this below deck versus sailing? Because sailing, I mean, I felt like sailing is a rough start. Jesus. they really put you guys through it on that show. So are you in heaven being on this show? What of the difference is stability?

Physical stability, you know, in a sense. I mean, you know, like I love sailing and I love that extra element of the boat. Like it really is the kind of 10th character and all of those shots and, you know, of us tipping over and everything going flying. Like, I can even see the humor in that, just like being involved in it. But yeah, it was, you know, this was just a different challenge. It was a much bigger boat that, you know, the stairs and this boat were really, like, quite tiring. So physically it was, it was a lot. But really, I mean, the differences aren't really that much.

Like, you're so consumed with everything going on. You know, there wasn't like moments this season where I was like, thank God we're not healing over. I didn't even have time to kind of think about that. But yeah, it was a nice change. We have more space. It looks like in your quarters also. on the sailing. Oh, yeah.

You guys were so cramped. Oh, I loved my cabin. My cabin was absolutely huge. Maybe not my cabin may, but the cabin was great. Can't have it all. I mean, you know, one thing that I'd love about you, Daisy, on the show, is that you're not afraid to lay down the law for the people, you know, working under you or around you.

Like, you're kind of fearless in that way. You're always going to be like, yeah, shut up. Like you go toe to toe with Ben. And you went toe to toe with Gary and others in past seasons. Where did you hone that skill? Have you just always had that ability? Or did you have to kind of like develop that by working up in the yachting industry or other work experiences? Well, thank you.

I appreciate that. I actually think it's something I do quite. What's the word? Like I'm very conscious of it. So it actually doesn't come super natural. to me. Like, it's something that I'm very aware that that's my role. And I think being, you know, not only a Chief Stu, I think, you know, being on a big show like for low debt for several years, I think you have to constantly progress and you need to work on your management skills. So that's

something like this season I went in, you know, feeling like I maybe, I think sometimes I am too soft and sometimes people mistake kindness for weakness. And find, finding that balance of trying to be people's friends, which I love, but also trying to gain their respect. And I think season five of Blowdeck was, you know, obviously a tough one with Deanna and Danny. And that was something that I really, yeah, I know, wrong love that was over. But that was something I really carried with me going into this season. I was like, you know, I can't allow people to kind of speak to me this way. So it's actually something. that I'm very aware of. So when, you know, when I found out Ben was my chef, like, I was,

I was so nervous. I was like, I was feeling really strong and I was like, I'm going to be the queen of this boat and no one's going to put baby in the corner. And then I was like, oh, crap, Ben. I was like, how am I going to do this? So I was very, yeah, very conscious of it. It was something that wasn't, it didn't actually come as easy to me as maybe it looks. And, but, but, But, you know, I know my place. I feel very confident now, you know, having done this for five years, having been achieved you for 10 plus years. Now I finally feel like I'm in a place where I'm like, no, I know what I'm doing.

Stop. Just stop. I was like, I was just imagining. Like, did you learn how to do that on all those family boats? You're like, okay, children, get into your bedrooms, you know? Yeah. I mean, each year it's, it's been just, you know, a confidence thing kind of getting. better and better at it. But yeah, something I'm constantly working on and, you know,

finding that balance of being nice, but also, you know, I'm queen of the boat. Yeah, you are. You really are. So when we watch Below Deck, it seems like every season, there are multiple romance storylines. And, you know, talking to people from the show over the years, a lot of them seem to be kind of put on by producers or at least encouraged by producers. Is that still happening a lot or is that natural? I guess my question, is like, dwell. Okay,

go ahead. So, you know what? Jenna put it really well this year because I also get people telling me like, oh, I was forced to be with this person, which people have said about me.

And, you know, and it does get into my head. I'm like, oh, well, that's charming. And I, you know, this year specifically I spoke to Jenna about it. And I was like, I'm really, annoyed that this person has said that they were forced to be with me and I was like were you forced

to do anything this season and she goes unfortunately not I was like thank you she's like I made every single decision all on my own and I was like thank you so personally um five years later I have never been asked to do anything from production ever that I you know haven't been and a willing participant in you know we drive our own storyline I think most production ask you to do is if they see something, they're like, they, they, they kind of want you to lean into it because they can't tell a story. But like, they're not going to go up to me and say, you and Eddie, can you two get together? You know, it doesn't work. There has to be something there. And so I personally call BS on that

narrative. It's never been my experience. And it's just these bad decisions are all by our own doing. Yeah, because on the latest season of Classic Below Deck, they were all hooking up so much that it was actually to the detriment of the show. And I'm like, is this normal for yachting life? Or were these people who were like

trying to make a splash on reality TV? I mean, I know you were on that boat, but like, I feel like that's not part for the course necessarily for these shows. Or is it just like we just normally don't see it as much on TV because they emphasize other parts of the narrative? No, I think the majority of the hookup and things you'll always see.

There's definitely been a few kisses, like random, drunken, like, I don't know, like truth or dare that make no story. Like sometimes I'm like, yeah, I kiss that person. Like, I've kissed some of the girls before, like on nights out. Like this year I was kissing Jenna. Like, I don't think that makes story because it was just fun. It wasn't, you know, me and Jenna. I think at one stage they were like, you and Jenna, I was like, don't go down that route. Yeah.

We're just having a good time. So I think if it makes story, it's part of the story. They're talking about it. It's a thing. I would say it's a mixture of both. I would say, you know, I wasn't there during OG, but in my opinion, I think some people do self-produce. You know, I certainly see it with the junior crew.

And I get it. Like the junior crew don't have the same amount of story. as the senior crew do. So kind of sometimes our only way to get a storyline is is really conflict or a love interest. And, you know, that's not really

their fault. Like being just the good, you know, you see it with Batul, just being the hard worker, you know, they don't get much story time. And, you know, a lot of these people come on maybe, maybe to be an influencer or maybe to, whatever, elevate their career in something. So I think they do self-produce

knowing their way of getting a storyline. And then I do also think that we these relationships escalate really quickly. We're in it is a very intense environment and it's very easy to do an 18 hour shift and then you know, suddenly a warm body looks pretty inviting. Yeah. So I think it's a bit of both. Yeah. It's time for commercial. It's time for a crappence commercial. What was it like with the real housewives was a Salt Lake City on there? I mean, as you can see, it was, it was busy. And they were actually really lovely.

They genuinely are really nice women. They're professionals. They know what they're doing. Again, they know how to, you know, drive story. And they just kept us busy. It was just, you know, asking us for water, margaritas, Coke Zero, hair dryers. Can we do this?

Can we do that? I was like, my head was just frazzled by the end of it. but always said thank you always you know they were never rude to us and i mean those ladies can can argue that that's really impressive yeah so the ellie of it all um what's been going on with that because i saw a clip of ellie saying we don't even need daisy in the what the hell what was that about it seemed like you were getting along fine with ellie yeah so we're We're kind of halfway up through the season, and obviously we have a whole second half where you can kind of see me and Ellie kind of start having some conflict. But, you know, I can only really speak up until this point. You know, we do get on. She came on. I obviously knew her, her history, but was very happy to give her a second chance. I'm not part of casting. I'm not part of hiring. So, you know, I, I, she's a, yeah, she's an interesting. person, she's, we got on fine, and, but she's not the easiest to get on with, you know,

and you see just the little things like in the latest episode when I tell her to, to move. I was being polite. I was like, hey, can you move over? And she's like, mm, and I'm like, sorry, I think you missed this. Like, you know, and then I kind of have to get the claws out. I'm like, you're pushing me. Like, I don't want to be mean, but you're, you're annoying me. Move. And, you know, the bending was pretty escalated. And, you know, in the second half, you'll see we, we kind of, yeah, really start to butt heads. And, you know, even now she's, I mean, whatever, like, I don't have a problem with her per se, which she's like, yeah, I don't know what Daisy's problem is. I don't have a problem with her. I'm like, are you watching yourself?

Like, you know, and then she does on the after show, like, I mean, which was the weirdest comment. I'm like, yeah, this show can go on without me. Like, there's millions of yachts, millions of blowdecks that have gone on without me. But I'm like, I don't know why that was a dig. I'm like, it's also okay without you, Ellie. Like, so yeah, she just, she just rubbed me up the wrong way. You know, she says stuff on social media to wind me up and then says, I don't know why Daisy's mad.

You know, it's this kind of poking the bear. And then when I snap, she kind of, and she does that. You'll see in the second half. She does the same thing, winds me up, pokes me, does stuff to disrespect me. And then when I snap back, she's like, Daisy just attacked me. And I'm like, oh, God, Alie.

A bit of an exaggeration. Yeah, it's still to come. She just moved her and Ben become besties and I become her enemy. That's essentially. Oh, no. I mean, that's great for us because that's going to be amazing television, but I'm sorry that you had to go through that. But thank you for making your sacrifice for us, the viewers.

You know what? I got to give it to her. is fascinating to watch. You know, even on the boat, I was like, wow, this is, this is, these moves are so interesting, you know, the Dowell thing was interesting. And, you know, she was, she's fine to be around. But she, she does kind of isolate herself. She removed herself from the groups. Like, she wouldn't kind of drink with us before when we were getting ready. You know, we're having a few drinks at the bar upstairs. She never joined in on that. She just really had no, not

much interest in getting to know the crew. But yeah, she's interesting to watch great green screens. And, you know, she's interesting because she's making, she's making little moves every second, you know, it's like, okay, the Ben thing wraps up. Okay, let's immediately, Joanne needs a massage. Okay, that's done. You know, go for the, go for Alicia, who deserved it, frankly. But like, go for Alicia. You know, she's always got a ball. She's always got a couple of balls in the air. It's pretty impressive. I, you know, I was, I was fine with her coming on because, like I said, she was fascinating to watch. And she really watched.

She's a little chess player. She just never kind of stopped. But, yeah, she'll, you know, she makes up for the second half. And I wish her the best of luck. But, yeah, me and her, I'm best. I mean, do you. I wish her luck in hell. I wish her luck in hell.

Bring some ice, bitch. How much, how much communication? is there ever before a charter season? Like, I have to assume, had you ever met Jowel before, like, just do Bravo things, or, like, have you met Ellie or anyone? Or you just come on the boat

and you just don't know who's going to be there? No, so I, you know, I have met people in the past. I've met, you know, I'm friendly with Fraser. I'm friendly with Asia. And we've met at BravoCon. There were, like, a few other random people I've met, like, Katie Floody and Malia, mainly things through BravoCon.

or up fronts. But a lot of the junior crew I wouldn't have met unless they were on sailing. And so when, you know, this season I came on, or pretty much any season, unless they're reoccurring, like Colin, Gary, my captain, I've never met any of the people coming on. So this season, I had an inkling

that there was going to be returners, but I didn't know who, and I did not guess Ben and Joe. And I had never met them before. I'd never met Ellie before. So it was, yeah, all very new. I'd never even spoken to any of them. I had, you know, seen them, seen their seasons and seen them online, but never interacted with them. So it was interesting.

What about below deck sailing? Is that just completely done? Is that officially done so? It does it have to, and if it is or not, does it have to do with the actual boat being available or not? So I have... The boat is still floating, by the way. The boat is still floating, apparently. in Spain. So I do not know. I think as far as I'm aware, it's put on pause. I don't think they ever

really cancel any of these shows. You know, the simple thing is it's on pause. Maybe it'll come back, whether that's next year or in, you know, five years. And I do think, from what I understand, I think Bravo loved sailing. I think they were very proud of that spin-off. And I think that the element of, you know, say, like the physical sailing they love. Also, I think Glenn, people just love Glenn. So, you know, I think never say never. We just, no one knows the future of Below Deck. I think, I don't know.

No one has ever told me why it got put on pause. But from what I'm aware, I think it was a mixture of the ratings of our last season. I think some of the drama that I will not, you know, mention. and I think it was also I think it was also boat logistics but a sailing boat is harder to telling is the only one that is around that there are so many conversations

about the actual boat and like what's going on with the boat and where it came from like there's actual drama with that boat which I've always found so hilarious that there will be entire Reddit threads like well they can't do it because the boat you know the owner of the boat got mad about this thing or There's just always seems to be like some kind of drama about the actual. I do love Reddit.

They're like, oh, no, the boat's been sold. I'm like, you know, they could do it on another sailing boat. Like, Parcable didn't say it's me or no one. Like, yeah, Parciful, I mean, it was always so funny for us because it felt like every season. It was like, oh, guess what? One of the masks fell over, you know, it's like the whole thing is like a disaster. There was that one season where the engine just wasn't working and Colin went in there and took like bubble gum and cotton balls. And it was like, well, it's broken out.

And I was like, what? And of course, there was the crash into the dock. I mean, that boat took a battering over the course of the seasons. And like, I don't know. I really am surprised it's still in one piece. Mark, what was it like for you as a passenger on that, on a, on like a sailing yacht? Was like the diagonal of it all like crazy? It was, it was a lot.

And to give you an update on the boat, we had Glenn on our show a couple of weeks ago. And the boat just had a total rehaul. So that's where the boat actually has been. They refurbished all of it. They had to do fix the bunch. the engine because it was season five where the engine stopped working. So Parciful is alive, but it's been redone. I love the Glenn's still with it.

So Glenn's still with the Parcable? No, I think she may have gotten sold, to be honest. I think that's what's happened. But yeah, sailing boats are just, there's not as many of them. I think they're a little bit more treasured than, you know, we, the motorboats get ripped apart in the season. They get like. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. So it's, you know, usually more run-down boats and maybe owners looking for some quick cash, things like that, not owners that love their, you know, it's a choice possession. And they're like, yeah, I know this one, there are suede walls, right? Aren't they suede walls or like, are they velvet walls? There's like some kind of fabric.

Velvet, yeah. There's like some kind of velvet or something on the walls. And I'm like, no, no, all right. Food service up and down. I'm just. As someone in service, I was like, oh, God, please. Yeah, I can't imagine Swade Walls. And then also aren't like a certain number of those rooms just dedicated to your crew, like the TV show crew that has to like be there. And like that's where they have to like there are control rooms and all that stuff. And like doesn't that, how does that affect you as like a stew just just dealing with having a camera crew in there and producers and like microphones dangling all over the place?

Do you know what? It's not too bad. When it comes to production, they really stay out of the way. We rarely see the producers. They're very professional and they don't like and track. You know, I have a little bit of a different relationship five years later than maybe some of the junior cast members. But we really just see the cameramen and the audio people. Like we're carrying our own mics on mics and cameras. You know, I'm sure Mark can tell you as well. it's pretty discreet. I think it's relatively discreet than what you would imagine. It's not like a TV set where you've got like the boom mics or sometimes you do if we're like jumping off the water and stuff, but they're very, very good at keeping to themselves. And I do think, I really do think it's one of the only shows out there that is pretty much not produced or scripted.

And they take the fourth wall very seriously. And I think they, you know, take it seriously because they, you know, take it seriously. they are, you know, and sure that it's one of the key ingredients of its success. Yeah. There's a notification that's going off, and I love it because it sounds like a submarine. Oh, that's me. I am so sorry. No, it's okay.

I would have said something right. So it's totally fine. It just sounds like a submarine. So I like it because it's a nautical. It's a notical themed episode. So I'm into it. What, and I guess both this is for both of you. What about the?

preference sheets is real. Are they usually that intense? And the parties and stuff that you guys have to throw, like the themed costume parties, is that normal? That has to be something they just do for TV because I can't imagine a bunch of rich people are like, we need a drag night, and then we need a circus night. And then I want seals everywhere. I just want fake blow-up seals everywhere. That a little bit against the crew, yeah. Is that kind of a show invention, or is that real? Well, I'll say with the real still. and then Mark can kind of say, because he actually did the preference sheet,

I don't actually know how that works. With regards to the show and the comparison, what I will say is weirdly enough on real boats, they do like a table skate. I hate a table skate. And I kind of get it. I think it's when you're on a boat for two weeks, they like,

a lot of owners like to see their money, so they like to see the stew's work. And that can, you know, sometimes we do tablescape. And they take it, they take a while. Like they can take like two hours and you're putting like sand and, you know,

doing all these big candle things. Like every time I'm like, this is so tacky. Like it's really not my thing at all. But at most boats, you'll do some sort of table scape. Different now to below deck. It's more like sands and shells and things like that.

And in regards to the themes, you will do a theme if it's a theme thing. So like we've done parties for Fourth of July. And it's pretty tacky. It's the, what's it called, sorry, the flags, the balloons, things like that, a birthday party and Bastille Day. But they wouldn't just come up to me and be like, hey, Daisy, today we want like a rodeo theme. That would never happen. Yeah.

That's not a thing. So it's kind of a little bit meeting in the middle there, a little bit real, but also a little bit hyped up for the kind of drama of it. And then, yeah, Mark, you've done the preference sheets. And they're very serious about them. I did mine at the last minute. They'd asked for it like five times. And finally I filled it out. And when I got there, they went over it with me.

And I didn't remember filling it out. So bringing back the clam juice, they asked what your favorite juice was. I said clam just to be an ass. And they're like, oh, so sorry, we didn't, we don't have that. And they took it really seriously. But I think they kind of wanted us to do a theme night because they're like, they visually it's it's more fun for them to see us dress up and not see like oh what did coals cash by you this week they wanted to see like some razzle dazzle so they wanted to put a theme on it

so it visually looked more exciting i think because it's the show but they take them really seriously they want to know what you want for breakfast for lunch for dinner like how do you like your meat what you have what type of fruits do you like they're very specific on you have to fill that out everything that you drink needs to be on there. Everything you eat needs to be on there. And did you feel like when you were a guest on the boat, did that affect you in the sense that like a lot of times we see on these shows, there's always like a primary who comes on.

And then there's always like a friend of the primary. And it's like the friend of the primary is the one who is making all sorts of outrageous demands. It's like they get like a power trip or something. Did you like step on that boat? But did you ever have a moment of like, I'm a normal person that you step on the boat and you suddenly had these like instincts and urges that you're like, oh, I have to like curb this. Like something's taking over me. Or is that just what I imagine happens?

You hit the nail on the head. That did happen with one of our guests, a queen named Lola, who I'd never met. I'd only known D-Tox before I got on the boat. So the rest of the eight people I had met on the boat. So there was a queen named Lola who came with that. None of us, all of us on the trip still talk. We have a group text. were still in communication except for her because as soon as we got on that boat,

he thought he was a real housewife. He started trying to create drama with detox. And I took off our mics and I took us to the bedroom because the cameras won't follow you into the bedroom if you're not mic. And I said, listen, I'm not doing this. The show is about the crew. We're here to have fun. Be yourself.

I'm not going to cause some fight just to get some camera time. So if you want to do that, either I'm going to get off the boat or you're going to get off the boat because I'm not that's not who I am that's not what this is going to be about we're here to have fun just be yourself relax into it and she did the entire time and was just so obnoxious about it oh my I think that's just another good example of like you know it's the same with the crew and I'm sure it's the same on other shows people self-produce you know and that's why everyone's like this is so scripted and I'm like girl we don't need a script like people take it upon themselves and we get told it every year they're you know they're very adamant on saying at least us and I'm sure

they say that to the guests as well be yourself you don't need to be anything but yourself like you've been brought on because you're special and we want you here because of your personality and then you know you get one or two people whether it be the guests or the crew go nah uh-ah I'm going to be someone else it never ever goes well and you know afterwards they're like I've kind of told you to not self-produce. Is Mike self-producing, you think? He's very gossipy. Like, gossipy to the point where I'm like, is he just trying to make it?

Yeah, it seems like Mike would be that one for this season. Yeah, I think, you know, I'm not, I don't want to speak for him. I don't know. And, you know, maybe, I think sometimes they're not even sure themselves. But I, you know, he'd obviously done a TV show before. And you definitely get every year one or two people where they don't realize how hard we work. like every season one or two come on and they're like why this is this is really hard work and I'm

like we're like yeah like you signed up to a real job and sometimes I think you know maybe a deck person and maybe a stew come on and they think they're doing real housewives or you know whatever and you're kind of sitting around and then they're like action we work crazy hard and I'm not I'm not entirely sure with Mike but yeah I think there was maybe a little bit of he thought he was doing his other TV show. You know, and he's, you know, very entertaining and he's funny and I like his green screens. But yeah, I think he thought that the work wasn't as important as it really was. And it, you know, it catches up on him for sure.

Commercials. Here comes one right now. Are there a lot of times where they take the guests who don't have enough people and just add other people onto their group? Because it seems like sometimes people, people come on and they don't really even know the primaries. And they're like, what that? This person's acting crazy and I want no part of this person, you know? And I've always wondered if it's just like maybe they had a group of four and they're like, okay, well, we had another

group of five that wanted to come on. So let's just mix them together. That is actually a good guess, but it's not spot on. So I had the same thing when I, um, watched or not watched when I did my first season. I was like, this is wild. I was like, so I started asking questions. I was like, how lot of you guys known each other? What happened, especially the first few years in COVID, and not as much now, what happens is when the charter guests are given their dates, they're really specific.

So they're like, can you come to Mexico on the 20th of June until the 23rd of June? And that's their window. So a primary, like you guys, you go, oh my God, this is amazing. you know, you have a podcast and suddenly you go to all your friends who have nine to five jobs and you have children and you're like, come to Mexico in the 20th to the 23rd of June. They're like, I can't. Like, I have a job. I have to get babysitters. So they end up reaching out to really far corners of their groups. People they went to university and they haven't seen them in 20 years. People that they were friendly with on Instagram, a friend of a friend of a friend. And that's why they're so. disconnected. So you're not far off.

But yes, I was also wondering the same thing. Because I was like, you guys don't seem like that good friend. They're like, well, I haven't seen it in 20 years. And it turns like I'm the bitch. That makes so much sense because we always are like, what are they trying to con us? You have like these three people and then those four people. I'm like, these people do not know each other. And I guess that is sort of true, but it's not because of production.

It's because people live lives. They want to go. And they, you know, they've been. given this opportunity, but they're struggling to get nine friends. In COVID, it was really bad. That's really when you saw it because people didn't want to travel or they couldn't. So they were scouring like, you know, their friend from middle school. And then they were like, oh, I don't actually like this woman anymore. It's not as bad anymore. But yeah, you get some really disjointed groups. So, yeah,

that's time to that. That's funny. How do you deal with the audience reaction? I mean, that seems like it would be a huge part of the show because you shoot, how long are, How long is the season to shoot? How long does it take? Three months? To air? Yeah, right, three months. But like when you're actually shooting it, how long are you on the boat?

Oh, six weeks. Oh, so it's only six weeks. So it's six weeks, but then it runs for, what, three or four months? And then you have to deal with the audience reaction, which can be pretty intense. I mean, below deck has a shockingly intense audience reaction. I find, I'm like, geez. I mean, there's people who will get. so mad about something in service.

Like, that wasn't even the right fork, idiot. You know, and they'll go crazy for weeks about shit like that. What is it like navigating that, you know, in your position? You know what? Actually, it was, oh, how do I answer this? I think it's hard to stay silent. It's hard to definitely not react. And sometimes I find myself reacting.

And I'm definitely somebody who stands up for myself. And that is something. I've had to learn and to take a minute, not react, you know, it'll go away. Sometimes I don't always. Sometimes I clap back. It's hard. It's patience. I've definitely gotten better at it over the years.

There were really difficult times, you know, during the breakup with Colin where there were, it was a very complicated story and a very complicated background. And it was very much not shown. the experience of what I experienced. So that was really difficult to not be able to, and I kind of tried to voice it throughout the reunion, and it was just a mess. I just couldn't vocalize what I was trying to say.

The story was so convoluted. He obviously was keeping one side of it very quiet, which is fine. I'm over it now, but that was really difficult to have so many people have such a strong opinion about me and my relationship and something that was very vulnerable. But in hindsight, side, I'm really glad I went through it because I think it's made me so much stronger if I

ever have to experience anything like that again. And now I'm like, oh, I feel like I'm much more equipped for that. And my perspective has changed. You know, when I first joined the show, you get told be yourself, this is your, you know, your time to shine, your time to show your true identity. And weirdly, that can actually be a lot because when somebody gets a lot of hate, like, some of the other junior cast members who get really bad hate, you kind of walk away from it being like, I was myself, and now I'm so hated and I'm getting death threats and, you know, this really negative online attention, whereas now I've kind of readjusted my thought process and going, this doesn't define me. This is a job and this is a moment in time and you're allowed to

grow, you're allowed to change. And I think that's really helped. I actually think it was a bit detrimental when it was like, this is you, this is who you are. And I was like, oh, God, what if I mess this all? But like, this is the only chance, I guess. And so, yeah, because I mean, even being yourself in regular life, I mean, you can't just go to the office and be yourself or people would get fired, you know? I mean, I can't just walk into the office and be like, I'm taking a nap or, you know, like, Ronnie, would you do this? No, fuck you. I'm not fucking doing it, you know, because that is myself. So I would get fired in two seconds. So, you know, we all have. have to have kind of filters. So I guess that is kind of scary to take that off really anywhere,

but especially in front of cameras. Yeah. And I think, you know, finding that balance and that's what's so interesting doing below deck because it is that balance of being that work professional, but then being able to switch it off and have a love interest and then drink, but still have the, you know, respect of your peers. And I think that's part of why it makes it so interesting. And it's a part of why I wanted to do yacht mess with Mark. So people could see a more unfiltered version of me and a bit more lighthearted, a bit funnier because I do have to be still a cheese stew while working. And so that's, you know, like we did, you know, we talked about Summer house on our last week's episode. And, you know, I know they've been getting a lot of hate.

And we did a, we put up a clip. And I just couldn't believe everyone's like, no, she should basically burn at the stake. I was like, this, like I'm talking about Amanda. I'm like, God, everyone needs to relax. Like they are going to, you know, suffer in their own way and their friendships are going to suffer. And I just couldn't even believe, even on our clip, how intense people were and basically being like, you know, Mark was like, I was right. Yeah, he was like, not that we weren't Team Sierra, but we were just saying like people need to to relax a bit on the hate. And then they're like coming from. Do you feel that you being someone who's on camera, you have a different perspective for when these scandals happen in like the world of Bravo?

It's hard to know if it's because I'm on camera. I think I'm a huge empath. I think I am somebody, you know, I've been told in my whole life. I'm a real devil's advocate. I can see people's perception from everywhere. So, you know, when people have affairs, like they come to me. They're like, I'm cheating on my husband.

I'm like, it's going to be okay. They're like, I can't tell anyone but you. You're the only one who doesn't judge. And I'm like, well, we're all human. I'm not going to sit in my high horse. So I think it's one of my. Yeah. Well, you've also got the experience with the Gary and Colin thing, you know, which

obviously isn't exactly the same, but it's similar in that there's like friendships and, you know, but that was my, that was my girlfriend. And, you know, I was, I had her. And it's like, well, you didn't want me, but now you want me because he wants me. I mean, it's kind of the same, just like similar vibes there. And I would imagine with audience reaction, you are. getting the same because whether you were right or wrong in the situation, which I think you're always right if you're going to go against Colin or Gary personally. But whether you're right

or wrong in that specific situations, people choose sides and they're just like, they're going to call you out and try and turn feather you on the internet. It massively and it's so interesting. You know, the Colin and Gary thing is one, one kind of example of things I've done in my life. You know, I'm turning 39. I've never really had a. serious boyfriend. I have, you know, messed around so much in my life. I'm single. I'm like going out there, you know, she's trying to find love like everybody else is. And, you know, I think I'm a pretty good person with a pretty good heart who has made mistakes. And, you know, I was talking to my roommate. We have all done it. Even my friends who with the heart, the biggest hearts of gold,

whether it be university or later on in life, every single person I know has made some sort of of mistake and crossed a boundary in some sort of way, some more than others. And I just couldn't believe the lack of like any sort of empathy. I was like, wow, everyone in this world is so perfect. It must be so nice to sit there and never ever have made a mistake or feel something they shouldn't have felt or have no empathy for anyone else. Yeah, you know, people make mistakes and maybe I did, maybe Amanda did. But I really, I just think. it's fascinating how perfect the world is. It's really quite amazing to see. Yeah, it really is. It's so perfect. Yeah. Well, I mean, you see, you guys should have some kind of reach out.

I mean, there's the, for people who only get one season, because I feel like, you know, we watch every second of these shows. So we've seen your, and talk about them endlessly, as you know. So we've seen you kind of go from your beginning to where you are now. And just, I think having season after season and watching you grow and learn and change from, I think probably a mixture of what you're actually experiencing, but also how people are reacting to it and how you came back stronger and stuff like that. It's cool to watch that kind of a journey. And a lot of the people on the show, like you mentioned earlier, the junior crew, don't get that opportunity. And they're like traumatized for life. Like that guy, Emile, um, from below deck regular suing, suing, what is he suing for like

$500 million? So like something crazy. He's like, crazy. He's like, $1 trillion. I'm suing you for $1 trillion. Doesn't you know the world needs Bravo? Please don't make the fuck world. Don't do this, um, deal. I mean,

of course, the internet put up like, you know, shots of him being completely incapable at his job. But like, yeah, and it's like, you know,

but he was a jackass on his season, but he wasn't, you know, the worst person. And I don't even remember her. I mean, I kind of remember him because I remember they caught him

jerking off in bed and I thought that was hilarious. Like, I still remember that. I think that was like the funniest thing ever that they kept that in the show. But that's like all I remember and that he had curly hair. So I don't even remember. And then all these years later, he's coming back with this huge lawsuit. Like, it's really still bothering him.

And everybody I've met pretty much, I would say like 90% of cast members I've met over the years have been kind of traumatized from it, which is interesting. I don't feel like that with necessarily housewives and stuff. So how do you feel about that? And like do you feel like you could ever start like some kind of outreach for ex junior debt crews where you could mother them or something or empty them? I definitely, I mean, I've thoughts about all of that. I think first of all, I've often said that I'm very grateful that I got more than one opportunity to redefine my story. And for the audience to grow with me, I'm forever grateful for that. because, you know, there are many dimensions to people

and I'm glad not one story got told, but multiple, to show like this well-rounded version of myself. Yeah. I think in regards to the junior crew, I do feel sorry that they don't get to retell their story, but, and this is something, you know, I do speak about. I think, unfortunately, I think in the world of reality TV, ideally, I really genuinely believe producers would love to have really well-rounded normal people.

Reality TV attracts narcissists. We all, everyone has some sort of level of narcissism. A reality TV, their scope of narcissism is just huge. I also have narcissistic traits, but this was, I was like, wow, this is a wild room to be in right now. And so, unfortunately, this level of narcissism, I do think. you know, a lot of these junior cast members are really think they're coming back. They're like, I am coming back and this is going to be my show. You know, I think Danny definitely thought like I'm 99% certain she was, she thought she was taking my job.

And it was scary to like hear what I was hearing in the background. I was like, how were you so not equipped to deal with this reality of what, you know, you've created a reality in your head? So I do feel sorry for them, but I also think this is a hard lesson to learn. And, you know, with a meal, I'm like, is he still really bothered by it? Or is he just wanting, you know, a piece of the pie? Is he just kind of stomping his feet being like thinking everyone else is making millions, which I'm pretty sure only the housewives of Beverly Hills are. I don't think anyone else is.

And he's going, I want a piece of that pie. But, and then moving on regards to the outreach, there has been conversations, which is me and random people being like, oh, maybe when this ends I should come on as like a, you know, like a, I guess like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a counselor kind of. Yeah. I've been through this. Let's talk about what you're going to.

And I do know. I can see it. Like Keith really, I was able to really help him because we were really close. And I was like, I, you know, Jenna was the same. And this year, I was like, you know, my advice to you going forward is don't think you're coming back. If you do see it as a really big positive, but prepare your life as you're going to keep, you know, working your normal job because a lot of people don't go and get other jobs. They sit around all year waiting for a callback and then they don't get a call back and they're,

and they're like devastated and they haven't worked all year. So I think some of my closer friends on the show have kind of been really grateful for that. And I've been able to kind of coach them being like, take it for what it was for a good experience. And if they bring you back brilliant, but the reality is they probably won't. It's just the way the show works. And the industry is like getting onto Blow Deck kind of a thing that people are sort of low-key aspiring for. Is it like a real like feather in the cap thing? Or is it sort of immaterial in the yachting industry?

Oh, I'm not too much. Or does it work against you? I don't know that. Yeah, I think there's a bit of everything there. I think when I did it six years ago, I think it was the opportunities there are now definitely didn't exist then. I think Instagram there's a lot more money to be made there. I think Kate has made a really good career for herself.

Reality TV wasn't quite what it is now. I think COVID really helped with that. So when I went and did it, like I didn't even know you could make money in Instagram. Like I genuinely went in because I wanted to get out of COVID. I had no aspiration to be on TV, no idea. I didn't know what BravoConn was. I didn't know, you know, I'd be flying out to L.A. None of this.

I didn't know I'd meet Mark and we'd have a podcast, not part of the plan. So I think now people are a bit more low-key being like, they look like they're having a good time. Maybe, you know, so I think some people are now maybe looking at it as more of a golden kind of gate thing. but I also think there's a huge amount of negative press around or negative feeling in the industry and I would never recommend anyone to do it unless you are sure that you wanted to leave the industry. People do still go on to have careers. I think most people who have done this season and wanted to go back to yachting or decided to

have are still working in yachts. But personally, I think focus on your career in yachts and And when you're ready to leave and you wanted to take the opportunity, that would be my advice. That's interesting. All right. So before we wrap up, let's go over what you guys are watching on Bravo right now. What are your favorite, what are your favorite shows this year, Mark? Well, I love the best year.

It doesn't have to just start in January, but like a yearish. Yeah. The New Rhode Island, I think, is chef's kiss. I am obsessed with it. The way that Alicia just casually mentions that she ran over a woman is what I need. and a housewife. So love her. And you know,

I agree with Kelsey, not necessarily that you need to have a husband or a man that has a different, like someone else, like how he has that other girl in Miami. But I agree with like putting down a napkin in the summertime when you sit. How she kind of started off with that?

Because I don't know about y'all, but I wear my coochie cutters in the summer. And it's very nice to have a little barrier napkins so that, you don't get the marks on your legs. Ain't all. She's got standards. Standards.

A lady with standards. Yeah, she's like, my anal-sledding. Exactly. See? That night. You brought that up, Ronnie. A-no. I'm out of the valley.

I'm just not. I can't. There's too many kids. I don't even care about my friend's kids. I don't give a rip. So the valley, I'm out. Oh, gosh. Way do you see this week.

I just watched the screener for this week. Oh, my God. They're all holding a baby. Like literally every person in there is holding a damn baby. Or two or three. I'm like, where do they even come from? Nope, I need Kristen to suck a dick and not have a baby. That's the kind of Kristen I want.

I know these babies. What about ladies at London? Watching Ladies of London? Love Ladies of London. Top-tier programming. I don't know where they found these women and men from, but like they are so good. I'm obsessed with Martha and her magpie. I'm all aboard, ladies of London.

I'm obsessed with that. Yeah. How about you, Days? Yeah, I, you know, I'm enjoying ladies of London. I think it's, you know, it's just something different. It's, they're just so quirky and kooky and I'm like, what are they wearing? I'm like, why is they stepped out of like the middle ages? Where did you get confirmed?

You know, I think everyone's really enjoying them, just a different energy. I, you know, I know, I know, like Beverly Hills is getting a bit of a bad wrath. We also, with Sarah Michelle Geller kind of said, which I tend to agree. I think their biggest problem at the moment is, which I, I love our season this year for is we just move story, which Ellie is great for, like you said. She's like, oh, I'm done with this, onto the next, which I'm all for. And but I find Amanda fascinating. She's like, Ellie, I'm like, can we study these people?

Like, I can't get enough of it. Every time a, like a trailer comes up and TikTok, I'm like, oh, my God, I need to watch it. Fascinating. So I kind of, one of those things you like love to hate to watch thing. And to know, I don't think I'm really watching anything else. I'm kind of, I was never really into Summer House, but I think I might give in the city ago just because I'm friends with Lindsay, so I want to support it and just see what it's about.

Summer House, there's too much to go back on. I can't start from the beginning. So that's kind of it. There's a lot of lore there. A lot of lore. Are you a team, uh, Doreet or team Kyle on Beverly Hills these days?

Oh, that's it's a little bit tricky. I'm not really team either of them. I'm a bit, I feel like Doreet needs to let it go a little bit. Like she's a little bit kind of contradictory. She's like, you need to say it to my face. And then people say it to her face.

And she's like, you didn't say it to my face before. I'm like, oh, it's just going around in circles. Like, they're never reaching an agreement. And I kind of, Kyle's like, well, I'm saying it to your face now and, you know, it's just going around in circles. So maybe if I had to pick probably Team Kyle. What about you, Mark? Bold.

I think, well, first of all, I think that Ellie and Amanda are like the Dr. Kimberly Shaw from Melrose Place. Like, I don't want to be around you. I don't want to be anywhere near you, but I love that you're blowing up the building. Like, you're fascinating to watch, but I don't be anywhere near your energy. And I would say, I'm in America. I'm not Team Kyle or Team Doree. I didn't agree with any of them, but when Erica stepped in, you know, as we know, she invented the word cunt.

So I'm on her side. I brought that to this group. You had nothing, my mommy. To be fair, I would kind of lean towards that as well. Like, Holland Are you just kind of annoying me. And then, you know, Erica just tied it up was like, you're all. But I, as much as it's a, like, a bit of a slow season, I mean, Kathy, Jennifer Tilly, like, I live for these women. When they speak, I am just, everyone stop talking, just left the queen speak.

It's been slow, but it's been still entertaining. I still really enjoy watching it. And we're always saying, like, Housewives don't have to fight all the time. They don't need to force these fights all the time. And so we're kind of getting that with this season. And I mean, I like it. I'm still entertaining. I think it's really picked up in the last part of the season.

Yeah. Yeah, Mark is now a fan of Sutton. He wasn't there for a while. But yeah, I think the arguing about the she's late and she's, it's a little exhausting. Like move on. And I think that was part of, you know, Salt Lake City, I think was a good season. But again, they were just moving on. They were just tying it up and then moving on to the next thing.

I think that's kind of important in reality TV. People get bored if you drag it on too much. Yeah. Yeah. And that's great about below deck is that it's. built in is that like kind of there's always a new charter and the charter is going to bring its own pressures and it's going to bring on its own new dramas. And the cast, you know, like, working out the cast.

Yeah. Yeah. Our season for the second half, it's, it's going to be fun. It's the same. A lot of changes. And I loved it for that reason. We just moved on. Nothing was too deep.

There was just a lot of little fights. Can I give them a great season? I know that you guys are talking about returning cast members, but there's still one yet to come this season. who was such a lightning rod. She's like, that this person is one of my least favorite below deckers ever. And they come back.

So. Oh, my God. I'm so excited to figure out who that might be. Oh, and I do enjoy that. Yeah, I know we, we,

I think you're always worried. And, you know, even when you're filming, you know, you get really into the second half. And even watching the season, I think we had kind of just,

just gone one or two, a little bit slower episodes. And then it just ramped on back up again. And I was like, yeah, it was like, it was a good season. It was a fun season. So I hope.

So, guys, thank you so much for coming on and talking to us. It has been really fun talking to you. Everybody check out the Yacht Mess podcast. And where do you want them to find you all personally? I don't want to mess up your handles. Well, I'm Daisy Kelleher, 87. That's my Instagram handle. And, yeah, you can find us on Spotify, Instagram.

Mark, you're good at this. TikTok, Instagram. Apple, Spotify, YouTube, all yacht mess pod. And yeah, check it out. If you want to see it or listen to it, it's there. Beautiful. Thanks, you guys. Thank you for being here.

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It's Low Alcalani. Roger that. It's Marlis Rogers. The Incredible Edible Matthews Sisters. She eases our woes. It's Melissa St. Rose. She's the lady of the house. It's Rachel Chirouse.

There's a chance of meatballs. It's Rebecca Cloud. She's our princess. It's Rebecca Prince. Maximum love for Sandy Maximusca. She's the Queen Bee. It's Sarah Lemke. We cannot tell a lie.

It's Sarah Teleth Sun. Shannon, out of a canon, Anthony. Please don't stop. It's Soleon. Let's take off with Tamla plane. Strike a pose. It's Tori Rose. She ain't no shrinking Violet Coutar. We love you guys.

She's the lady of the house. It's Rachel Chirouse.