Watch What Crappens - Talking Bravo with Daryn Carp and Liz Culley

Episode Date: November 25, 2021

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What happens Crab Kids, what happens when this all happens? You want crap? What do you want to do when you're happy? Kids, what happens when this all happens? Hello and welcome to Watcher Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about.

I'm Ben Mandelker, and joining me today is not only the wonderful and hilarious Ronnie Karam, but we actually have two other very special guests. We have Darren Carp and Liz Cully. What's up? Hi, welcome. Wait, there's crap on Bravo. There's crap on Bravo. I know it's adorable, wonderful crap. We'll be here. Hi guys, how are you? Welcome to the show. Thanks for having us.

Yes, and we're excited to see you. Yes, congratulations. We're excited to see you. Congrats on your podcast, Sizzering isn't a thing. I actually did not know that Sizzering wasn't a thing. It is a thing. It's when you told me your podcast name.

It is a thing, right? It's, no, it's a thing. It is, you know, so. It's a lot of stuff. And we're not just talking about crafting. We've amended it. I have amended it as I've said to Liz over a few episodes. No, it's a thing. It is. Liz. And we're not just talking about crafting. We've amended it. I have amended it as I've said to Liz over a few episodes.

It's not scissoring like this, right? Like, scissoring is more of like a wapi hump. Okay, not a dry hump. What's a wapi hump? The Cardi mea runny. Come on. Yeah, let's go pop culture. Let's go pop culture.

Yeah, let's go pop culture. Yeah, come on. I've been watching Yes, no. Let's go, guys. Come on. I've been watching Peaky Blinders, and they're using that. And I had them and I've been to look at that word. And then I was like, that's just a racist word. That's not a very nice word. And then I was like, but it's also a vagina song.

So that's where I'm at in my public closet. I would like to see a show called Wapi Blinders. I think that would be interesting. Me too for that matter. Me too. I'd love to see that show called Wapi Blinders. I think that would be interesting. Me too, for that matter, me too. I'd love to see that. Like I say, that show. So before I can already tell, we're about to start bantering like crazy. And so before we do that,

let please promote whatever you need to promote. Tell people where they can find you on social media, where they can tell us about your podcast, everything. Wow, well, we co-host a podcast called Sissering isn't a thing. We are both queer women, identify as a lesbian, Liz identifies as a bisexual, but as she says, you can call her a lesbian because she's married to her wife. So she's fine with it.

And we talk all things pop culture. We always have like an influencer or a queer guest on. We talk about how they came out over coming that if they had any struggles and kind of how they deal with it in their creative craft, you know, depending on who we had we just interviewed King princess. So we were talking about her everything. So that's really what it's about mixed with a little pop culture. You can follow us at S I A T podcast on Instagram and tick tock and all that good stuff. And you can follow me personally at curpy darren and Liz at Listen to Liz and our episodes drop every Friday. Liz, did I get that right? Wow.

Yeah, I'm just gonna, I might take a nap. Liz, I think you have, like Liz, I mean, that's very hard to top. Darren had a down very, very well. I mean, I think yeah, that's it. Can you give us a spiel? Give us a spiel about something. Tell us about the microphone.

I mean, this is actually my microphone for the last 15 years, and it was my tour microphone when I sang back in the day. Oh, sweet. Oh, you were. You didn't think that was coming, did you? No, you know, I'm excited about it.

I'm actually looking at your microphone thinking how you must be like the bend of our couple because bend loves a handheld microphone. You always ask you is a handheld. He has a little picture with his handheld on all of his stuff. And you're like, Ronny, the hand felt like a bend. Ronny, I might retire this handheld because the sound is not really. Yeah. Yeah.

I think I might just get like one that's the deck, you know, on the deck. So I can move my hands around, you know? Well, I like the handheld just for the live shows because, like, sitting here right now, as you can see, my hands are free. But on a live show, I like to be able to sit back in my chair and I actually find that, like, I can kind of, like like control my audio a little bit more,

because I think I get very excited on stage and I like get really up into the microphone and start screaming into it if it's not handheld. Although I guess I do that with handheld too, but it just makes me feel a little bit more like Mariah Carey and I think anything you can do to make yourself feel more like Mariah on stage is something you should do.

Yeah, I do the same thing. I have about a half a liter of vodka before I hit the stage. I feel just like Mariah Carey as well. Wow, you're getting a ton of wild. Basically, you're like me, but with the handtells. Damn it. This is very, it's very difficult to just kind of stir

your time for you guys. Yeah, I'm getting a bit of a fitting into the buckets. Yeah. So one thing that people may or may not know is that you guys also know quite a bit about Bravo And in fact one of you is very you got one of you was like right in like the right in the home base of Bravo Like right in the center of it all because Darren you actually I don't want to say this incorrectly You work for you work with Andy Cohen himself

For and with yes, I've worked for Andy Cohen That was my first I was started as an NBC page and then I got to be his assistant right out. I was like fresh out of college at 23. So I've been his assistant. I say I work with him because he's like you're so much more than the assistant now but almost 11 years. So right at the end. And you got that's why you're another NBC page. Another one of you, you know, and I'm very jealous because I could never do that. I always wanted to do that when I lived in New York and I couldn't because I think it a college. And I was, and I remember my mom being like, I told you, I told you to go to college

because I couldn't be a page. And now look at you guys just winning the fucking world. So thanks, Sharon. I wanted to be a page two. I was an intern at 30 Rock, but I never was a page. What did you intern for? I interned on late night with Conan O'Brien back in 1998. Wow. Wow. Wow. What is the more than time to have done that though?

It was like the moment. Like the moment. That was must see Thursdays. That was a big. It was truly like the best job I've ever had to this day. Like it was just like the most fun ever. Well, this isn't a job, Ronnie. This is a lifestyle.

Ronnie, you didn't go to college. Okay. It was my favorite college level job I've ever had. Exactly. Well, some of the interns hated the pages and some of the pages hated the interns, because we got paid as pages and we looked at ourselves as like, no, no, this is a job.

And they're like, oh, you went NBC in term, we're like, no, I'm a pages. And it was like a West Side story, but I always liked the entrance. I never was lucky to intern at 30 or more. There was a lot of choreo in those hallways. I did notice that a lot of this. Yes.

So what is it like a Servana day-to-day basis? Like what's it like being Andy's assistant? I mean, I imagine it's like he's, he seems like he does a million things at once. Like how hard is it to coordinate all that? He does. I mean, he does do a million things at once. I mean, when I started out with him,

which was in 2011, March of 2011, you know, he was only on one, I think, maybe two nights a week on Watch屬 Happens Live. I mean, it just kind of started. This was even before it was Watch屬 Happens Live with Andy Cohen. And, you know, he kind of came from the digital world. He sort of taught me to have a million jobs.

And it was very corporate, you know, I was a coordinator of this. And so I really learned my chops. I said to myself, like, I'll give him two to three years, I'll devote nothing except to Andy. And in that two to three year period, I really hammered down to the job. And like Andy is a creature of have a creature of routine, you know, he's got a close Nick group of friends. So once I kind of worked out what he wanted and what he needed, then it just became wrote memory at this point. And now at 11 years, he can kind of shorthand something to me and I could get it done in kind of five minutes. So it's a lot of work in terms of, there's a lot of pressure.

You always want to do something right for Andy because he's got big things. In fact, I just came from his apartment setting up this Microsoft shoot. And I was like, is the mic on? Am I going to pull a Liz Cully? Am I going to pull a Liz Cully here? You know, I was Cully.

Don't want that. Don't want to call it know, I don't want that. I don't want to call it up. I don't want to call you up. I don't want any of that mess in there. But it's fun and it's nice. And he is like the best boss. And so after I kind of did that, he trusted me to kind of go.

He's nice because I just feel like he's, you know, like the camera goes off. And he's like that little baby from Roger Rabbit with the cigar. And he's like, fuck you. Fuck you. Move aside, Dan, who's dead. Move aside. No, he's the same to me on an off camera.

I mean, we're family at this point, honestly. And like, if he's being testy, I'll tell him to his face. I'll just be like, you're being impatient and testy, give me a fucking minute. He's like, okay, that's fair. Okay, please be a good guy. Do you have to feel a lot of phone calls from various bravo leverities we're trying to like

get to him to be like, how can we, like, when am I gonna be back on the show? Like, what am I basically doing, Jules Aaron voice? Like, hey, Andy, when am I gonna be back on the show? I'm sure, I'm gonna be on it. What's up at it? Jules Aaron, basically,, Andy, when am I going to be back in the show? I'm sure. What's up? What's up? What's up?

Jules Aaron, basically, are you asking me about that? Well, we don't even need to ask you about that. I'm sure your ass has talked to a Jules Aaron plenty. I'm sure you have to feel the lot of Zaren calls. I'll put it this way. It's a lot easier now that we're remote because they don't know my personal cell phone number. They might have had my office number, but that's helpful. I mean, if you've read Ronald Diamonds in Rose, which is Dave Quinn's book on

Andy Cohen's imprint about the housewives history, there was a few housewives, one in particular, who said that she reached out to Andy's assistant and never heard back, which was alive because I never would miss anything from any housewife. I love all of them. I've had different relationships with them. But yes, yes, it was Candace. I have to field a lot of the, you know, I protect him. You have to run a lot of interference. And is that hard?

Is that like, what is, I mean, I feel like that's very difficult because I feel like a lot of these bravo liberties, I feel like sort of have like a little bit of an ego, which is why they're on TV, you know, and like, how do you manage them at all to the like, and how do you manage them and like, you know, make sure, like balance all these different plates? Well, it's, it's, I do come from sort of this privilege position

because everyone obviously wants to please Andy, you know, Andy's like the guy that everyone wants to be around. And so by nature of kind of being with him and his assistant, all of the women treat me with the utmost respect, not saying that they would it normally, but I think with me, they also want to curry favor because they kind of know that I have his ear and can let it happen.

So that isn't so hard, but I used to go on tour with Andy and Anderson when they would do their AC2 talks. And whenever we were in a city in Dallas, you know, LA, he would invite all the housewives and it was my job to like wrangle them. And it was like cat hurting. It was one of the hardest jobs I've ever had in my entire life. Like impossible, you know, like I could handle 900 recordings

with Liz on Sizzling isn't a thing. Per day voice is just dropping still not as hard as wrangling like Kelly Dodd and Gina, you know, know, to get there. I was like, I just can't. I just can't. So that was kind of the hard thing. But again, after 11 years, you know, it's, I kind of know how to deal with them now. It's just, it's easier. And Liz, you do what a lot of people too, right? You're the executive director of Condon Nast. Give them a say of the entertainment. Just that. Are you just that? So fancy. Yeah. I don't know if you've heard of it.

Like that's very fancy. Okay. I interned at Condon. That's my intern story. Didn't require a call. Over you Condon. Oh wow. It's like interns versus interns. Yes it is. I worked there for just like a second. I was like a temp thing. And I was like this is the fanciest shit I've ever seen in my life. Like even everybody worked there for just like a second. I was like a temp thing. And I was like, this is the fanciest shit I've ever seen in my life.

Like even everybody who worked there was very fancy and I still think about that way. It still has that glow for me. It does. And it is, it can be intimidating. I love it. I'm really lucky in the sense that I have a fantastic team and I got brought in, I think, at a time in my career where I

definitely had, like, proven myself. But in terms of talent wrangling, I mean, in the beginning part of my career, I mean, I produced really in the digital space for vice. Oh my god. Lizzo, you used to work at my space. Well, I was going to say, and then I was going to say, I was going to say, for quite a long time. So I, in the first video I ever produced, was a series that I ended up doing over 100 episodes of called Five Minutes to Stage. And it was a concept where I went to a show and got to, I would interview the artist and their whole team, and the way we would edit it, it would feel like it was the five minutes

right before they hit the stage. Also a great way to avoid music licensing. And my first smart. That should also be a name of it. I don't want music licensing. Yeah. So it was great. And here I was.

And the first ever episode was with Courtney love. Whoa. Oh, that's the way that's some rain going. And here I was and the first ever episode was with Courtney Love. Whoa. Oh, that's, I mean, that's some rain going. Yeah, that's some Kelly Dodd-Rangling. Did you guys sing a duet together? And I will never forget her opening up all of her suitcases,

filled with lingerie and underwear, and taking out on the floor, by the way, on our hands and knees, every single one screaming at her team. And here I was, like, you know, 26 years old or whatever, like, yeah, sure, like, ooh, what is that? Does Andy do that to you, Darren? What are those unpackers on your Instagram?

Andy has shrunk sub-loggeray that he shows me, honestly, and then I call Liz, I'm like, does this look good on him? I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like a lot of stories, so I share some I don't, but Courtney Love being kind of the first real chaotic moment

where I really was on my own to interview and produce. And I had this like camera kid named Scott with me and he's just like, panicked. You know what I mean? We've paid like 75 bucks, it's my space. And I'm texting with my boss in New York who had actually been my former boss head of content at Vice and I was just like,

oh, I don't think any of this is like legal. And I don't know if any of this can go on air and he's just like, don't stop filming. You know what I mean? Anyway, so yes, I've definitely had my fair share. I don't know if it's like I don't know who is more intense Kelly Dodd or Courtney love. I think Kelly Dodd. I think they're like at the most dramatic of their spectrum. I mean, they even Andy and Tom from MySpace even have a similar look in their pictures. I thought it was a two. They do kind of actually.

And you should totally be Tom for Halloween. And he could just like, just sort of like look over his shoulder for the whole day. Yeah, like your first day. Yeah, first, my first home. It's like, hi, welcome to MySpace. I'm Tom. Did you get new books? Did you get new books? I'm talking to you. I was like, I am out of the day. If you were gone, I didn't know if you were just going right back to Darren. I'm going to hear some guys. I just know you were going to be there. I'm going to be there.

I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there.

I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there.

I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to go back. I was like, I am out of the day. If you were going. I didn't know if you were just going right back to there. I'm going to hear some guys. I just know yours for, well, I don't know yours, but I know that you are besties with Liam McSweeney. So I want to ask some of them. How do you guys know each other?

Yeah. First of all, how do you guys know each other? What's the story? Well, we have at my space. When I worked at my space, I had a show called Getting Nailed. So it really, it really comes back to my space. It always comes back to my space. It always comes back to my ears. This list that you're talking about. So this is 10 years ago. So it's 2010 11. Really? And I had had a show called Getting Nailed where I got my nails done with celebrities.

And I was putting it together and I had done a couple of episodes at that point and a PR girl who like Leon, I are no longer talking to, had broker to deal with one of her clients that had been on my show. She was modeling for Married to the Mob, which has Leah's clothing company.

And I went to New York and this girl was like, listen, I think you and Leah, I can't explain why, but I think you guys would hit it off. Here's the address to her office. Wow. I'll just tell her you're coming by. So there I was. It was in, it was cold.

It was freezing. It was like November. And I went to her office, kind of actually near the watch what happens live, like near Embassy Row office. And I go in and I like go in the elevator and rob her ex-esb and I shouldn't say, actually and there never has been a white bed.

It's baby daddy, but we can also talk about that. I am like the divorced child that really wants them to get back together. Like that would be my personal dream. They're both so cool. They're both so cool. I love love story. Rob is not always exciting on TV, but in exciting in real life, maybe. He's, yes, 100% Rob is my favorite. So anyway, I go up, Rob opens the door, like opens up the elevator door and like here I am. And I was like, hi,

I don't really even know what I'm doing here. I'm here to see Leah. Anyway, long story long is that we met that day. She showed me every all the married of them up, like every all the clothes that were coming out, we just totally hit it off. We went out to dinner and honestly, just like never, she never even came on my show. We ended up just like constantly talking, she would sleep at my house when she would come to LA. I would stay with her. I became really close with Kira, her daughter Kiki, as we've had her on TV.

Sarah, and I just, a newer parent. Anyway, we just became like really close, long standing friends. Like 10 years ago. Are you the connection to how she got on to? No, no, no, no. Brodie like threw you to Darren to get these. No, no, no, no.

But no, because she had been on Patty Stinger's making a matchmaker. Oh, she was on. You know that? Wow, millionaire matchmaker. I didn't realize that. But the only connection there is that she was in LA and had called me, Daron knows this too,

because we talked about this on the show, but we had called me and she's like, dude, I have an audition to the on Real Housewives of New York. And I was like, that does not make any sense. But I mean, I was like, that doesn't make sense. And I'm driving down La Siena again. She's like, we you go shopping with me. Like can we go get an outfit? So, and of course, my response was like, that doesn't make sense. I'm driving down La Siena again. She's like, we you go shopping with me. Like, can you, can we go get an outfit?

So, and of course, my response was like, there's no better shopping in New York. But like, not to diss on LA, obviously I live there. But for me, shopping in New York, like you can't compare. So I was like, girl, my as well just go buy those clothes and opening ceremony in New York. But yeah, so I was kind of on the phone with her when she got the audience.

So the stuff, I think it came through Bethany though. Didn't, didn't we tell us? Well, yes, I know, yes, and yes. Remember, we talked about it. She talked about it. We talked about it on our show. I know, but I'm forgetting like the specific detail. Cause she said that Bethany didn't,

we thought Bethany like put her up, you know, Bethany was like, Leah would be great. But then Leah was like, I don't know Bethany. Yeah, didn't she just thought Bethany like put her up, you know, that he was like, Leah would be great. But then Leah was like, I don't know Bethany. Yeah, didn't she just give like no more? She like followed her for a hot second and unfollowed her and it was super weird and we don't know. I don't know. We don't have to be.

I just read somewhere that she said, she just handed in like a long list of people because all the housewives apparently, maybe this was in the Dave Quinn book that they just all handed in a bunch of people that they like, or that they think that would be good. So she was like, I don't know, I don't know. She's a mob something, you know,

mob Mary is something, that girl. So they found her on Instagram. Thanks Dave Quinn. Amazing. Yeah, right, exactly. Thank you. Thank you with that. Commissars, here comes one right now. Raising kids can be one of the greatest rewards of a parent's life. But come on.

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I love my kid, but wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. So this, my question about this Leah stuff, we're releasing this episode around Thanksgiving. So this might be kind of all news by the time people are hearing this question. But the most recent stuff, obviously the New York reunion was canceled and nobody knew why. They assumed it was something kind of racist-y.

And then we found out that it was Ramona saying something stupid and racist and getting in trouble for that. And the most recent stuff is that Leah and Ebony are no longer speaking. What happened to me, everything? Who's fault is it? Who's fault is it? Who did it? I will clarify though. I will clarify that the Roanian reunion, it was a lot of honest just production issues. And then by the time that we got all the schedules together, it had already been like a month or two since we ended the season.

And then once we edit it, it wouldn't have come out until literally last week. So it would have felt like old news. And by that time they were just like, let's start fresh. Let's get a new season. The season was rough anyway. So I just want to clarify that it wasn't like 100% Ramona said something great says. Liz can answer to the lia.

I just have a question before Liz answered that though. I have a question, why were there so many, if you can answer, like why were there production issues with this reunion as opposed to like any other season where it's always sort of like fine? Sometimes it's a matter of like of just scheduling these people. You know, Ebony has like a full lot of these women have like full time jobs, kind of outside of what they're doing.

So it's a matter of getting spaces with COVID regulations, all of that stuff. It was just kind of hard. I can't say like what one thing happened in terms of the other because I don't work at the production company, but I do know it was really just production issues and then it was a timing thing because you need things to be like, the fans say answers as soon as it's done. You know what I mean?

Like even Erica Jane, if that was in six months from now, it just wouldn't pull the same thing, you know? Right. Can we blame it on Jill Zaron? It's Jill Zaron's fault. It's Jill Zaron's fault to 100%. That's the other thing. It's Jill Zaron and Kelly Dodd's fault. Definitely.

You're your first guy. That's also not. That was a pretty controversial season to be like six weeks later. Okay. Let's go through it again. Yeah. And let's be frank. Like, I don't I don't want to see the ladies be say something that they're going to regret later or something that's like Horrible. Like that's not, I mean, yes, you laid in a lot in a long time. It's also not really what housewives is about. Housewives is about women be hating badly that are rich. That's what it's about. That's literally what we're watching. Like, they're rich, good looking, and they're kind of behaving badly, and they're doing the things, and saying the things that we, as normal human beings, cannot say because we have consequences in our lives, and we're not on TV. And that's really what it's about. So none of the like comments that they were making are like how Ramona was acting, like surprised me in the least. You know, Ramona just like Ramona would call anyone the help. Because Ramona is just better than

everyone. Oh right, yeah. Yeah, it was definitely not a good season for her. It was, it like it did not, it was just like every episode was like a bad look for her one after the other after the other. But you know what, you know what, sorry, but like I just don't use my words correctly, okay, I'm sorry, okay.

Okay. It's a big question. Here we go. Round the barn back to the question with Liz. All right, Liz, who's fault with you? Okay, so back to you, Liz. Sorry, Liz, put you on the spot. I actually thought, Darren, that you were saving me in this amazing way.

And I was just like, this is actually great. I'm just going to sit back. Listen, I don't know what you read. It said basically basically, okay, so there was a party for. Where was it for? There was a TMZ. Is it like, Pace, or the same thing? It's all the same. I'm like, it's all the same.

So, right, because it's usually Pace, it starts in and everybody else just copying Pace. But the first thing was the day when, but came out. And there was the book party and supposedly, Leah Ramona and who else? Was it Luan, I guess, there was the book party and supposedly Leah Ramona and who else was it Luan, I guess, that was the way. Like left and left. They made a pact to leave when Evan. Yeah, I had read that. So then Evan was also there, but not right, but she became friends with Evan. So then. Yeah, you know, I wasn't at the party. Don't forget to invite me. Oh, I don't know.

Siserie is not a thing anymore. I can't speak to that. I was texting with Leah in the car as she was going, because we were actually talking about how that outfit that she wore was one of the looks that she was going to wear on the reunion. And I was at she and I had literally just been together two days previous in L.A. And so I was like, I had literally just been together two days previous in LA. And so I was like, I had seen it. So I was like, you know what I mean? We were like girlfriends, but I was like, yes, this is the one to choose. You know what I mean? And so I don't know anything

about that. Well, the reason that was the old story. So the reason that one is that they were questioning Eppony on an interview that she did about Leah and she was being really like, well, she's what she's always been of, you know, someone I work with or like. Who said that, Leah said that? Who said that? About Leah. So they're like, well, why is she shading Leah?

And then they asked Leah, why is she shading you? And she said, I don't know. I mean, I haven't really talked to her anything, but we're fine. So she gave that kind of answer. Yeah, that's sort of what I would say with Lisa. Okay, well, we're gonna edit all that out. And you're gonna make up some shit right now.

Okay, make up a story, create a scandal. You're on a podcast. We're gonna be on page six. You are gonna be on page six. I'm being on page six because of Leah already. So exactly. Yeah, he said.. So it's exactly. Yeah, except. No, that's true.

Listen, here's what I can say is that I can't speak for Leah and I don't know about that. I would, what Leah said, like, yeah, I'm not really tripping. Like, we're fine. Whatever Leah is not worried from what I know about it. So I can't really speak to that stuff. What I can tell you is a viewer, I just didn't like Ebony on the show.

I just kind of, she just kept like, I think she had a couple of moments and I can understand that she was definitely trying to use her platform to, you know, elevate the conversation. And I, you know, I really actually appreciate that. I like that, but at the same time, it just felt sort of rehearsed after a while after I started watching it. And she actually became more inauthentic to me as time went on.

And so I just, as a viewer, didn't really gravitate towards that. I think that's been one of the criticisms about Ebony is that like, there was, um, she sort of seemed to lack, she seemed to lack the lack of self-awareness that makes The room Red the room perfectly literally read it was like Red it you know because yeah, I think she read it perfectly I think she would yeah read it to fill. I think she read it perfectly She's just in a crazy room. I mean, it's like, you just shove these people into a room.

But like you have to. Oh, okay, but okay. It's like a world bone. Oh my God. It's so weird. And not for nothing, but like the series has been on for a decade plus, like I know that you've watched a few episodes. And I'm until Liz's point, I'm glad that she's using her

platform because listen, if she didn't use that platform, she was gonna get so much fucking shit. Yeah, sure, especially the time they actually did. She did, she did, damn, she did, damn, she didn't. So she had to do that, but I don't necessarily think that having a dinner where you're teaching Ramona singer about who Duke Ellington is, is when Ramona is hungry, is like the best way to get your message across,

which is what I meant by reading the real. Like I just don't, Ramona's never gonna respond to that. She's just never gonna respond to that. Just not Ramona. But I also don't think that's Ebenez. That I don't think that's Ebenez downfall. Like, because that's on Ramona if she can't sit still for like 10 minutes to learn some basic things.

I think that Ebenez, I'm in the tough situation. Yeah, Ebenez is in a tough situation because like, you know, she's not supposed to be the teacher, but she's in a situation where I think she felt some pressure regarding, looks to be the teacher. So she's more banned if she does, than if she doesn't. I think Ebony's downfall is ultimately that she does sort of present a little like, because she actually is self-aware and she's smart and she realizes how she's coming off, I feel like we don't always get like,

just unfiltered Ebony, sometimes it feels like everything she did was very deliberate. And not like calculating, you know, and I don't know, I think that like, Rony is really the playground for people who think they're coming off wonderfully and are actually being just like awful. And Ebony, like actually knows how she's coming off. and are actually being just like awful and Ebony like actually

Clown car real house message New York is a clown car and she's not a clown for sure Yeah, and to your point Ben, I think like you know I agree with you that she's probably so self-aware and it's Ramonona's problem if she can't sit still for 15 minutes and has to break the Jewish shader to go eat a fucking cracker in the back. As a Jewish person, I was just like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, you were the fuck. I mean, it was an episode to remember.

But we've also had 10, 11 years of seeing Ramona act fucking ridiculous when put against the wall in so many ways. And we only got 15 episodes of Ebony. And so what we're only seeing that one season of Ebony. And so I think that she was kind of put into a shitty position here at Pointing Damned, if you do, Damned, if you don't. But when that's the only thing we're seeing of you

and there's no relaxed throwing teaky torches or whatever you want, like no Liam McSweeney season one, it's hard for the audience to kind of warm to that in a way and like fall in love with you. You know, we all fall in love with Sonia when she's like hopping on the table, breaking the glass at a party like that's so good. I think the only tell me actually really got to see like Ebony was actually a black Shepa when she was just so mortified and so kind of like broken down by the craziness around her that she was like, I don't know why I came here. I don't know what it was. It was like a moment where she just was like, I don't know.

She handled it with class. I was saying like she was a mature person. Yeah. Yeah. If she just wasn't it for me, do you know what I mean? That's fair. Like, I mean, everybody has their housewives, you know, like we sit here and argue about it every single like every day. Yeah, we get like we and this is our job.

So who else can you gossip about? Maybe someone you're not. I can gossip, but I can just tell you that I literally. I have like an online relationship with Heather Gay. That's very, I'm very, I'm very jealous of you. I'm pushing them to date. I'm pushing them to date. Like it, honestly, my wife could have about it.

Like it's very real. She came to LA to shoot her book cover and didn't call me. Wow, Heather Gay. And not kidding you. My text message was like, is it over? Like, am I heartbroken? Like, what is happening here? She's like, I'm so sorry, it was 24 hours,

I'm already back and saw like, and I was like, I'm just saying, like, I don't know where to go from here. I mean, we were really trying to plan a weekend in Santa Barbara. Like, all of this is true, like, Darren can attest, this is weird. Oh, no, would you ever have a thruple with Heather Gay and your wife? Oh, you have a thruple. You have some wine as well. No, I'm not saying, but I'm just just true by the way. Daring can attest. This is the odd. Oh, yeah. Would you ever have a thruple with Heather Gay and your wife? You've counted it.

We have some wine as well. No, I'm not saying, but nausea are a real one. I'm saying like, I'm saying, could you have like, you know, like just all three of you just be like wives together with Heather with Heather Gay. I'm like, something like that. Yeah, I wouldn't be the only couple in here. Like, one of my sister wives. Yes.

Yes. It all started because she came on the show and Darren and I absolutely fell in love with her. She sent us necklace. Like couldn't have been lovelier. She educated us about Mormonism and kind of her conflicting feelings on it. Really dove in deep and was fantastic. And I fell and Darren, you tell me what you think, but like really was as lovely and genuine on air off. You know what I mean? And so we ended up, I was like, dude, we kind of look alike.

Like, you know, and I took a picture and like whatever. I'm just trying to find a way. I'm just trying to find a way. I'm trying to find a way. I'm trying to find a way. I'm trying to find a way. I'm trying to find a way.

I'm trying to find a way. I'm trying to find a way. I'm trying to find a way. I'm trying to find a way. I'm trying to find a way. I'm trying to find a way. I'm trying to find a way. I'm trying to find a way.? I feel like, I know. Actually, is Shatterrack rich? Well, he was like the great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandfather to everybody.

He's like, oh my God, Shatterrack's here, great, great, great, great, great. He's my great, great, great, great, great, great. That's how they all know that they're really. Ronnie, I just don't want to work anymore. So if that Shatterrack can get me out of this shack, I'm good. But, I feel like there's a good sister wife for all of us. Like I would have, I would invite Heather into my relationship because I feel like she always would have snacks, right?

Like anything you need, you feel like she sort of has a bag. She's like, oh, hold on, I got that. I got that. Okay, and you know she'll have like little gift bags and like just tote bags for any event that you're doing. Totally. Also, I think she's doing so well this second season. I think her kind of foiling all of the crazy.

I just really, I'm here for it. I want to take her. I did text her. I want to take her to that ice cave and make new memories because I don't think Jen Shaw was worth the trip to the ice cave. I think I will never truly forgive throwing a choreo into a sterno fire. I mean, yeah.

She needs a new memory. So for the record, it's also a good, it's a pretty easy season to do well on because it's like someone's arrested on federal charges and other woman has potentially a cult that she runs. So like I think it's going out and saying, I don't fuck with the popo is like, really took my emotional feelings to this extra place

where I was like, oh no, like these feelings are deep and they're real. Like, she is so funny to me. Heather is perfectly self-aware. She's the same on camera, she's off. Like, she doesn't even know that she's the housewife, which I love. Like she's a genuine fan of Andy.

Like she just like loves Bravo. And she loves it. She's just the nicest person. But I will say Salt Lake City has one of the most unself-aware housewives I've ever seen in my entire life. And I was talking to Andy about this and I was like, Mary Cosby, I was like, you have to explain who this is. And I, because I was like, I, and I talked to Liz about this,

like, I don't know if it's like the religion caked into it, which bothers me a little bit. But it's like, I know that some part about being a housewife is like, I'm rich, I'm fabulous, I'm better than everyone else. And like, you want a little bit of not self-awareness, but she's so unsilf aware that it's like aggravating me. It's hard. It's hard. She's, I love her lack of self-awareness because I'm fascinated by her.

Like, I feel like at some point my fascination of Mary Cosby will come back to bite me. Like, she's gonna do something terrible. But like, I'm like, how did Bravo find this woman? She is legitimately one of the craziest housewives we've ever had. Like the things that she says are so strange and her perspectives on life.

And a lot of times I'm like, she must be playing up for the camera, but then I'm like, I actually don't think she is. I think she's really like, that's her. That's her. Well, she's pretty, yeah. No, she thinks Selt are hardens your ovaries.

Like that's what I thought she's going to splash on her on Lisa. You guys, it's that I was like, it kind of does. I know, but that's like, it kind of does hard in her arteries. OK, there is something about not your arteries or ovaries. Like you guys, my ovaries are so hard right now. Ronnie, what are you talking about?

I'll have to Google that, Ronnie, because you didn't go to tell. I'll have to. So however, I will say when Heather was on our show, we asked whose closet you wanted to raid. And I thought she was going to say Meredith. And she said, Mary, because Mary is so rich, she has all the, like, and this is for all the fashion

lover listeners out there. She's got all the really random, limited one-off couture Chanel bags that are collectors. You wouldn't wear it outside. Which to me is a red flag. To me, that's just like, why is this person so rich? Like, I have. I see allegedly is embezzling money from these poor people. Well, that's the thing that she speaks in tongues and that she's like, God, re-invarn it. That's my point. I mean, for someone who married her step-grandfather, that's something she speaks in tongues and that she's like, God, re-invurn it. That's my point.

I mean, for someone who married her step-grandfather, that's like the ninth weird thing about her. Yeah. Like, that's not even in the top five. The stunton growth, though, for me. And I know this is sort of a more serious way of looking at it. But I really think she had so much trauma, especially with her mother in the reaction, that I think she is, has like a personality disorder. I mean, I think she's right up.

I think so. Is traumatized. But can I, so we talked about this before we started recording. Yes. And I have to ask all three of you guys something, really important. Go ahead.

Okay, everybody's ready. Yes, this is like my space. Yeah. You're in my top eight. What is going on with Meredith's boobs in the confessional outfit? They look like there is no, it looks like a breastplate. That's what Ronnie said. That's what I was trying to pick.

Okay, thank God. Somebody, what is going on? It looks kind of like when drag queens wear the breastplate, but then I saw a picture on Instagram, which only tells the truth. Okay. I'm here. Of course. And she wasn't wearing all the necklaces.

And so I was like, well, maybe it's not a breastplate. And then I thought you're really spending too much time worrying about someone's boobs. So I stopped thinking about it. No, but there's no definite. It's so weird. It looks like airbrush. Like there's no food. So I have. No, but there's no definite. It's so weird. It looks like airbrush. Like there's no food. So I have a theory.

I have a theory because as someone who actually like took some time to look at it this week because every week I always forget to look because I don't know, I guess I'm just not drawn to it. God, I have to look now, yeah. So I was like, I was watching with my friend Neil and so he was like, no, there it is right there. So he stopped.

And so I paused and I looked at it. And I think what it is is that she's bronze the chest so that way it's not like snow white. And then I think that there's been some contouring and somehow the way the light and the bronzer and the contouring work together sort of give it a two-dimensional look, almost like like an illustration.

And then it's like that flatness of the illustration, then sparks off associations with the flatness of a breastplate. And I think that's what it is. I think it's the contouring of the bronze together. It's an illusion. That's the thing too, because it's a breastplate, but then it's like a flat breastplate, which is also super weird.

So I don't really know. Some people think that maybe she had a little surgery or something. So that's just to cover, but then why wouldn't you just, I mean, you are in Salt Lake City. Heather Gay is come on in like formal turtleneck breast. So I just have to interrupt this. Don't worry, everybody. It's not a commercial. I just have to say that study finds differences in effect of soda caffeinated drinks drinking soda daily may harm your fertility. Okay. And it messes with your follicles, not like my lack of them, but I guess you're there's overre follicles. I don't know. I really don't know how that stuff works. Where is that from? The internet. He's like TMZ.com.

He's like, that's where it's from. It's where it's from. We're at M Cosby School of Medicine. Commissions, here comes one right now. I do have to say, as someone who is a lesbian, finds Meredith Marks very attractive. I'm upset with myself that I have noticed. I don't know how this is awful there, and this really makes me concerned. Because you're a much more respectful. I'm upset with myself that I have noticed. I don't know how this is possible there.

And this really makes me so much better. Because you're respectful. Oh, really? You're respectful there. And I feel like I'm because I look at their faceless. Yeah, we're looking at their faces. I normally look at face and nose. I just noticed it because I read it on the internet.

And I was like, wait, is it a, that's silly. And so I looked at it and I was like, oh my god, is it a breastplate? Yeah, normally I don't look at boobs. Like if you're wearing a hello tag, I will never know your name because I don't want to be a total sexist. I'm very nervous because as I told you guys

before we went on the air, I am literally going to a Meredith Marks trunk show, as soon as we're done recording, because out of nowhere we got this email, Meredith Mark has invited, watch what happens, to a trunk show. So Ronnie unfortunately is not here in LA, but I'm gonna go and I'm like nervous. I'm oddly very, very nervous. I mean, I don't think she's gonna yell at me. For some reason, I

feel like I'm in trouble, but because I guess we talk so much shit on our podcast, but I feel like Brooks is gonna be there and he's gonna shade me so hard. I feel like I lived by the growl. You would be honored to get one of those tracksuits. You can just pop right over here and drop it off on my front door. I'm doing one of those tracksuits. I feel like Brooks is gonna be like,

oh, so you have a podcast? Any talk shit about us? Great. And I'll be like, yeah, we come from. And then Mary's gonna come out and be like, you're talking about my family. Out of the way. My family, my family. My family.

My toddler, my friend. She's gonna disengage. She's gonna disengage. We come from different places because I just assume that nobody listens ever. And you assume you're like, oh, Meredith is beautiful. I'm fearful. And she's gonna know who I am.

I'm fearful. Well, you never know, because when I, my favorite thing was a few weeks ago, I went to watch what happens live. Unfortunately, Darren, you weren't able to make it there. But I was sitting right behind Page Desorbo, and I was like, oh, hey, Page, I just want to introduce myself to you.

I'm Ben from Watch What Happens, and she goes, I know exactly who you are. But you're not saying that. She meant it in a good way,, but that was like my favorite thing. You don't know because sometimes they do know and sometimes they don't. I'm very fear-forward. That's why we have the podcast because in the podcast, it's a safe space where I can let all my feelings out, but then in the real world, when confronted with the things I've said, I get very scared. I understand that completely.

I get that all the time. I'm very fearful. Ebony's gonna listen to this and all of a sudden come after me. She might, she went after Brian Moilin, pretty hard. Perhaps rightfully so. Bring it. That was gonna say, maybe that's perhaps rightfully so because he does.

I mean, he has good recaps this like so snarky, but like also a little tone deaf has his recap on that one. There. I agree with that. You know, I mean, I don't know. I think I think when you're especially on Bravo, there's sort of this like inside joke that we're all kind of in on it. Like, you know, Andy makes fun, not makes fun, but he teases them just as much.

And, you know, certainly on the reunion. So we've seen that certainly in Potomac. We've been seeing that in Beverly Hills. Like, I think it's okay if you're gonna want to put your life out there to have like fair enough funny judgments of people, like you're not doing it from a mean place, you're doing it from like, we love you, we wanna keep watching you,

but we're gonna bunk and shit tough you. Yeah, but also like we're just, we're just, we're giving watching you, but we're gonna fucking shit talk you. Yeah, but also like, we're just, we're giving a nod. We're giving a mouth to just things that everyone's saying at home, or most people I should say, and people watch these shows, and this is what they watch it,

and this is what they say to their friends, and we're just doing it, and they're just happy to be microphone on, you know? Okay, everyone is talking about the cross-plate of Meredith Marks, I guarantee it. I put 50 out of it. I'm gonna watch it, and they're gonna be like, Meredith Marks, we're talking about the best plate of Meredith Marx. I guarantee it. I put 50 I'm gonna walk in there and I'll be like Meredith Marx. We're talking about your best play. Will you just text me a photo? I'm just I need to know. I need proof.

Wait, can I ask Ben and Ronnie a question? What's your least favorite bravo show? Of all time. I'm really not just recently, like kind of what's on the air. Currently, both. Yeah, you could do on air. No, this thing is currently the million dollar listings are rough right now. We were just talking about that. They're, they're going through a rough spot. All of them, really.

LA and New York, I usually love LA and I suffer through New York, but man, LA has been rough, especially with getting Frederick on there. I cannot stop. I saw him on the street. I forgot to tell you this. Wait, you guys, I was driving down Beverly, like right up Beverly in Robertson and he was going into this place that has $40,000 stones that are super hard to get. And I was stopped on Beverly and I look over and I am such a nerd.

I go, like kind of my mouth opens and I look over and I am such a nerd. I go Like kind of my mouth opens and we lock eyes and he goes he just waves like this. Oh gosh Yeah, and I didn't want to give a satisfaction, but I literally can't I don't know I think I was just telling Ronnie like yesterday That I think that especially with selling Sunset selling sunset is so good that I just kind of exposes how bad million dollar listing has become so I for me that's like the bottom of the barrel at the moment I feel like there's another show that's really bad that I didn't like but I'm trying to most everything like it's weird because million dollar did you

guys watch family karma love I love family karma. Because I love that one. I think that was a good thing. That's a really good one. I really like million, not million dollar list. What's wrong with me? I love Mary-Dometeson original. I love to Mary-Dometeson Houston.

I think Mary-Dometeson LA is such a snooze. That one's real boring to me. Yeah. I actually think Mary-Dometeson original is like, it's very up and down. Like sometimes it can be so good, but sometimes it can kind of, for me it can kind of drag into like the suburban kind of like, I have never like last season was like, the kids going off to college, the kids go, it's, it's always like the, the, the group trips where they do like that, they do this.

The husband and wife. Quasi therapy. I kind of get get I'm like a little I'm a little over it, but like it can be so good. I think it's a better one to watch than to recap. How about you guys? Yeah. Least favorite. Yeah. I love being so negative on Thanksgiving. You're my kind of people. Yeah.

Currently, my least the lead the show that I'm least excited to watch because I usually have to watch ahead because they interview a lot of these people. I always work at Bravo. So I get to see cuts. This is not really a shade on them. It's just more so I don't think the show has evolved as Vanderpump rules. The people are not liking that. It's been tough this season and I know you know there's a reason Jackson, Stasi, etc cetera, are not on the show, but I also think they provided such a catalyst for it that now it's like all of them are wealthy and having kids. So being centered at a bar and bartending

doesn't feel really as authentic as it felt nine years ago. When you're like, okay, these people are 23, of course, they're hot and bartending at Sir in West Hollywood, you know, well, like this makes sense, but now they're like in two million dollar houses. So it doesn't well part of that feels like I never want to say that just because I don't want to give Jack some pleasure. So I have to add, it started last there. I mean, last year's when that show started to tank for me, it was not good last year either. So this year isn't great,

but last year sucked to you. So I think it's still sucked with the originals. It's just, I think they're too afraid to just they've grown out. I think they're too afraid to just still call it Vanderpromp rules and follow the current crop of hose they have in there. All man, male and female, they're all still the same. If you go there, they're still 25 year old hose causing drama, doing coke in the bathroom everywhere. So go get the... I'm exactly like that. I actually am enjoying the season oddly enough. I actually like the season.

I think that I, that, I was like, how are they gonna do it without Stasi and Jacks and Kristen, but I actually think that it's given the show actually a bit more focus. But I understand, I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I think that ultimately, you know, when you look at shows like- No funny came to Ben, yes.

Oh, you mean- If you look at shows like Below Deck or Summer House or even Southern Charm, they've done a pretty good job of like bringing in new faces every season, so it kinda, they stay relevant. And Vanderpump Rules didn't do that and got away with it for a long time, because member season six was absolutely amazing.

It was like one of the best seasons they ever had if not the best. And then it was the next season that all of a sudden the entire cast decided to be an adult and get along and get analysis. And that's when the show started to develop part. Like it does, and then the central premise, like you said, kind of started to like not work anymore

because they weren't in the bar and there weren't new faces to like save it. I mean, there were new faces, but there were. I was gonna say lots of new faces. Improved faces, maybe, yes. Totally. That's a fair point. Just doesn't feel as authentic as it once felt.

Yeah. So what do you guys look forward? Most forward to most in the knee or do you think for Bravo? Like what do you think is coming up that you've heard about? You think it's going to be really good? That's probably a better way to do Bravo. Con next year, which is going to be amazing. Ultimate Girl's Trip is going to. It's technically that's what I'm asking questions, questions about that. But ultimate girl's trip is gonna. It's technically that's what I'm looking at. Oh, I asked questions, questions about that. But ultimate girls trip is worth it. Yeah, ultimate girls trip is actually gonna be

completely worth it. And it's really interesting, because like Ramona's in there again, but you know what, Andy's baby shower, which I have the privilege of going to, it was really the only time outside of Navy Bravo Con, but that was so professional, where it's like you really see,

we were talking about kind of like West Side Story of like pages and interns, you really see it in the different franchises and what they bring, you know, like at Lanna wants to show up the last and at least and have this like beautiful entrance, you know, like Jersey, New York, they don't give a shit, they're coming in like Beverly Hills, like jet, you just see the dynamics of the different cities. And so even though it's a little small sampling on ultimate girl strip, you

know, kind of like two per franchise roughly, I think it's going to be really interesting to see like Melissa Gorga, Kyle Richards and Ramona Singer. And Kenya. And Kenya. And Kenya. Yeah. Kenya. Yeah. Kenya. Oh, yeah. I actually watched on Dancing with the Stars. So I watched, you know, outside of Bravo reality, but I think that's going to be a great show. And the second season of it,

there were pictures of like, is it the second season where it was like Taylor and Brandy and all these people who were formerly on the show who are now, they all went up to like Derinda's house. Is that the second season of? Where's that thing going? That's a different show. That's like an ex housewives kind of,

it's own trip as opposed to kind of current housewives doing a trip. So like Derinda and Brandy and all that, and they kind of its own trip as opposed to kind of current housewives doing a trip. So like Derinda and Brandi and all that, and they kind of go off into it. Is that peacock too? Is that or are you allowed to say? I think it is, but the thing about is like, I'm not sure where it airs first because like for below deck med, which my girlfriend does the first episode premiered on peacock a week before it premiered on Bravo.

So I don't know how they're going to do that. I'm sure it's going to live on both. Like real house was a Miami is peacock, but I'm before it premiered on Bravo. So I don't know how they're gonna do that. I'm sure it's gonna live on both. Like real house was a Miami is Peacock, but I'm sure it will be play on Broadway. Do we know anything about, I'm also excited, okay, I'm like overstimulated right now. So first I wanna know like, I'm so excited, I'm as excited as I am for Ultimate Girls Trip.

I'm even more excited for that Durinda thing because it's just like all the best formers. Like that's just like a dream that one. So I wanna know, A, is that amazing? Second of all, I also wanna know how Miami shaped me up because we, Ron and I were actually champions of Real Housewives of Miami. And we made it.

I'm excited for Miami to come back. I think it's, and they have a lesbian. It's the first, wow. Openly gay housewife on the show. Now, I know we're arguing about Bronwyn, but Bronwyn and she came on was not openly gay when she came on. It was more at the end of her tenure.

So just clarify anyone's opinion on that. It's not like we're not seeing Bronwyn. It's just a little bit different. But I think it's going to be fabulous. I think, you know, Miami, I was a fan of it too. I definitely thought it had more legs than two seasons. And as we've seen with Housewives, Dallas, Potomac in particular,

sometimes it takes a few seasons for the audience to like get invested in them. Like the first few seasons of Potomac, I was like, it's good, not great. And then like, four fifth season were just. Yeah, it's fucking phenomenal. It's just, yeah, that was great. Fifth season of Potomac was one of my favorite seasons of all time of any of any house rice franchise

And I thought it was amazing. So it it takes some time and I think now Miami like that nostalgia factor is back to want a hat Like the Miami people have been kind of itching for it So I think there's gonna be fandom built up around it I like the fact that there's an open the gay housewife Real housewives who do Dubai is gonna be amazing. We have a lot in store, but Miami's gonna be awesome. And Ultimate Girl's trip is gonna be great. Yeah.

It gonna be great. Yeah, I'm excited for everything that is coming to me. So you guys, thank you so much for being with us today. This was really fun. And really great to spend holiday with new friends. Okay, guys. Yeah. Love new friends.

I'm thankful for you too. And Liz, of course. Love new friends. I'm thankful for you too, and Liz, of course. Oh my God, I'm thankful for you. We're thankful for you too. We're thankful for you too. You guys, it was wonderful. Thanks for being on the show, and everyone. Thanks for having us. Subscribe to their podcast.

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