Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - $700 Apple Wheels, X-Ray Phone Cameras, & LG's Swiveling Phone?

Episode Date: May 15, 2020

After a tech-leak-filled interview on our last episode, there is a ton of recent tech news we have to catch up on! Today, we engage rapid-fire-mode with story after story covering everything from new Windows laptops to LG's new dual-screen swiveling phone, with a bit of OnePlus's x-ray-photo phone insanity sprinkled in for good measure. Let's do this! Links: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/shop.mkbhd.com Braille Skateboarding Mac Pro Wheels: https://bit.ly/2zHFa4c Motorola Edge+ 2 Updates: https://bit.ly/3fPGSRw iMore Macbook Charging: https://bit.ly/2Wyp8Ta LG "Wing": https://bit.ly/3cBWE08 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're your hosts. I'm Marques Brownlee. And I'm Andrew Manganielli. And I guess even when it seems like there's not much going on in tech, the tech world still finds a way to keep it interesting. So from computer wheels to T-shaped swiveling phones to to x-ray vision, to whether or not you're plugging in your MacBook wrong. Charge gate? Maybe, maybe not.

But at the end of the day, what we arrive on is Bring Back Moto Maker. This is a fun one. Buckle up. Let's get into it. All right, let's kick everything off. I want to say officially, the new studio is not fully moved into, but the old studios are fully moved out of. fully moved into, but the old studios are fully moved out of. So I turned in the keys to studio A,

studio B, and studio C. And now everything that was in those spaces is in the new space now. That's pretty exciting. That's like a milestone to me. But at the same time, there is so much more work to do in here. So progress is being made but i i felt like uh that was that was worth noting i mean it's nice that you finally don't have that looming over your head anymore of like more stuff you have to move and you can just focus on the videos but i sure they're just going to take so much time to get all of that organized throughout the new the new space yeah basically this the the schedule i've set for myself now is basically alternating back and forth between working on videos and all the tech and stuff and days where I'm just building furniture. Like today I got three big deliveries. Um, I already built one of them and

the other one is a massive Ikea thing that there's no way I build it in a day. So like, it's going to take a while, uh, but you know what?'s all good mkbhd h hq2 i don't know i kind of like we had we had abc for the last one i feel like we said it so often that people watching kind of knew what the different spaces were but like i feel like this needs a sweet name i kind of like hq it's big it feels like the like it feels like a real hq like i called the last one hq but it was only because like you know this one room was big enough to feel like an hq for all of us but now it like really feels like it deserves that name so i'm happy about that yeah i think hq unless someone could think of something really sweet and send it to us all right tweet us that waveform

if you have a better name and you genuinely think that name is better than mkbhq oh i didn't even think mkbh okay yeah yeah yeah you gotta like that it won't be better yeah yeah um i see you got a new mic you got the is that the what is that mic it's the road podcaster the usb one so what is it the pro i forget the procast no the podcaster pro is the xlr version the podcaster is the usb version and the procaster is the setup the mixer yeah the mixer okay uh yeah I I really like the g-track pro before but I think I had my usb cord pulling too tightly on it and I loosened up the connection underneath it uh last episode we had, it kept just going nuts and producing this crazy feedback. So I had to snag something else. Yeah. Yeah. Every episode we find something we can do a little better than the last one. And that's just- Last one was pure chaos. I

don't want to get into everything, but there were so many mess ups. I think it took me like eight or nine hours to edit. I hope it sounded good to all of you. I know there were a couple little hiccups, but trust me, if you heard what it sounded like beforehand, it is miles better than what it was. Yeah, and another big shout out to Mark Gurman for coming on the podcast and talking through all the Apple rumors and stuff. You should listen to the last episode

if you haven't heard that already. It's a fun one. But now we're gonna get right back into all the stuff that's happened since that last regularly scheduled episode. Yeah, we didn't recap last time. So we have a lot of recap stuff. So we're going to go back a little bit extra. I'm going to start off the top though with the merch situation. I think in my mind is finally fixed in air quotes. It's fixed. So we'd always been doing essentially campaigns like every two weeks

every month or so we'd have a two week long campaign and you could buy it for that limited time and then it would disappear and then it would come back and then it would disappear now it is back permanently it's simple it's not confusing anymore it's shop.mkbhd.com anytime i'm wearing something or i want to share something like that you can always go there and find what's in stock and get it so it's just in stock yeah all the time now um what's also kind of cool about it is the way we're doing this with on demand is it opens up a couple new options where it's not just t-shirts you can buy tank tops and all the different designs are available on sweatshirts and potentially hoodies as long as the design isn't too tall.

All right. iPhone 11 Pro six months later. I feel like there's a lot of six months later type videos happening in the tech space, especially around big flagship devices like the iPhone. So I've been watching them and I was like, you know what? I should talk about my experience with the iPhone. So half a year, it's not that long to have a phone obviously for you it is for a couple years I mean yeah for me for me it seems like a long time but you know there's a lot of stuff to talk about for something that I carry every day which was the iPhone 11 Pro now I something that made a surprise a few people is that I carried the 11 Pro Max for pretty much that whole time. And I very recently after reviewing the iPhone SE was like, you know what, this big iPhone, it's big, but like, do I really

need the huge iPhone? And so I switched to the iPhone 11 pro, not the max. And you know, I missed the battery a little bit, but it's not so bad. And that was that was, I think, one of the more interesting parts of it. But generally, it's an iPhone still. It still works great. The hardware on the outside lasts a long time, as you'd imagine. Some of the things that people get worried about are the glass. If you keep it in a case, it probably won't break as easily as mine. But I have a ton of these micro-scratches on my screen.

And I don't know if this is unique just to the iPhone, but I do see it a lot in some phones that seem to have like softer glass. Was that- They scratch easier. The iPhone 11 Pro that you were using, was that the one we set up as like the waveform social media phone?

Oh no, that one I actually, that's a cracked phone. I don't remember- I was gonna say because we didn't take the best care of that as the uh yeah yeah we we literally have a an iphone in this studio that we're like dedicating to capturing the process so if you follow the waveform instagram that's coming from a cracked iphone yeah okay yeah that one's been shoved in some corners and probably not yeah the best possible but yeah it's sacrificed itself for some time lapses but you know generally the iphone holds up pretty well and i you know in that video we go for the

performance the a13 bionic you know it's still killing as you'd expect no real big surprises but i went over some of the more interesting finds in that video okay that's a quick one pixel buds review this was a nice surprise for me actually uh you know i got the pixel buds and i was expecting better than last year because the original that's not very hard let's be real those were terrible yeah the original the first pixel buds were not a very high bar to clear but i was very impressed i think something we've always been looking for and think a lot of people when you just look at what you want in earbuds, what we're looking for is AirPods for Android, basically. You know, the experience you get with AirPods on an iPhone is like they pair seamlessly.

They have a bunch of integrated features and they're comfortable and you just slip them in the case and they're small and you can take them everywhere. case and they're small and you can take them everywhere um and there's a couple other pairs that do really well at this already but uh this this new gen of pixel buds actually did for me satisfy like all the criteria at least just to match you know what you'd expect for a google's earbuds yeah now that being said i think i kind of want more like i i think there there's a lot of cool features that could come from a bluetooth pair of earbuds like people were talking about them in the comments you know it'd be cool if there was multi-device switching more easily you know the pixel buds don't have that uh some others do like there's honestly my favorite part of the buds is the case it's so you

haven't held the case yet i haven't held it but the comparison you did i've always i think that's the first thing every time we get new truly wireless earbuds is i grab it and i grab a bunch of the other cases in there and it's always been airpods and the more recent samsung ones have gotten really thin and like not ridiculous but then all the other ones you hold it and it's like i don't care actually i guess i have a pair of the jaybird i forget the name of the new ones tara okay oh and they came in like a little sleeve right uh oh oh that's uh i don't know what the name of them is but yeah they they have a almost as small case almost yeah they come in it's getting closer so the the buds the galaxy buds plus and i want to i'll probably end up making a separate review of them because as much

as i talk about them and how they're like kind of the the standard the champs on android right now i haven't actually reviewed them yet um so and a lot of people keep asking hey wait why don't you talk about the more so i probably will review them but galaxy buds plus have a small case airpods and airpods pro have a small case and these pixel buds have not only a small case but it's like it's matte quality stormtrooper white uh the magnets are really really clicky and it's satisfying to open and close it's got lights on the inside and outside you know it's got a pairing button they pair to android real fast and yeah i'm just a big fan of the matte finish. I feel like all of this sounds like something that people who don't experience different ones are just like, I don't care that it snaps better.

I don't care that it does this and this. But when you feel a bunch of them, you can just like, you just feel the quality difference and you feel so much better knowing that like they're putting this much effort into also making the case good and making everything else good around it and you feel like you've purchased something of higher quality because of that the magnets in a earbuds case feel like the equivalent of a laptop's hinge yeah you don't think about it when you're buying it you're like is the screen good is the is the keyboard good are the specs good how's the performance and then when all that like lives up you're like all right this is a good

laptop but when you get that laptop and it happens to have a really wobbly crappy hinge it doesn't really matter as far as what you bought but it kind of ruins some of the experience and i feel like the the hinge you know shout out to hinge designers we're back on that train but like the the hinge and the magnets in the earbuds cases when they're bad like when they wobble and they're you feel like you could just snap it right off uh i felt this with some of the sonys some of the other sort of cloney ones but uh i'm a fan of google ones um and they happen to be in a small enough case to fit in the you know the little pocket inside the jeans pocket that's that's big for me

uh so i i was i was a fan of the pixel buds so that review and people were all super excited to see like what pixel buds were all about so that was a good one um yeah then we went right on to part 73 and a half of apple's minor updates for 2020 this one was the 13-inch macbook pro uh so we had what macbook air earlier this year which was like you know it's a new keyboard and a spec bump thanks we get the 10th gen uh intel chips we have ipad pro which is not even a spec bump it's just a new camera array on the back basically um and then the iphone se which is literally just recycling parts and uh we've seen every single part of that phone before so now this 13-inch macbook pro um but low-key this is like my ideal laptop. Really?

And, and I, there's, I still, I feel like I don't want to say that out loud cause I still want to have higher hopes. Like, yes, add more ports, make a black version, do a high refresh rate, high 4k screen, do all these other things. But like, as far as Apple's lineup, uh, this is my favorite laptop from them. Um, the MacBook air, I talk about this in the review. There's kind of two 13-inch MacBook Pros. There's the baseline in air quotes, which is the lowest and second lowest spec

and the starting price, which still uses the 8th gen Intel chips and has the slower storage and slower RAM and lower amounts of storage and all that. And then there's the higher end, which uses the 10th gen Intel chips, which uses double the storage, faster storage, faster RAM, and it's just overall a bigger performance bump. There's still no dedicated GPU, which, you know, I think Vin was like asking about like, is there finally going to be a dedicated GPU?

Not yet in a 13 inch MacBook Pro. But we do get a pretty good amount of uh performance bump from that and so it's when you look at that laptop for me it's like if i buy a laptop from apple it's the highest end 13-inch macbook pro because when you go up from that you get this massive 16-inch macbook pro and when you go down from that you get the not as powerful MacBook Air. And I just, I want a smaller laptop than the 16 and I want a more powerful laptop than the Air. So this is it for me. Yeah. I mean, even 15 inches, like at a lot of points in a backpack that is covering the entire back of the backpack and it's like teet hearing on it's especially if you're somebody who has a desktop computer at home and then you have a laptop i know we're at this point where so many people

use their laptop at home whether it's plugged into a monitor or just use it at home and use it for travel then 15 inch sounds perfect like i'll deal with lugging that along a little more if i know it's my at home one. But like, if you have a dedicated computer at work and at home, and you just want to travel 13 inches, just seems miles better. It's so much more portable. It's so much easier to throw in. You know, if you're just doing a two night trip or something, and you don't want to bring a carry on with clothes, 15 inches is going to be so much more of a pain in the neck to fit in your backpack that also has to carry the rest of your essentials and and such like that so and maybe you could get away with the 13-inch at the desk you know it will drive uh the integrated graphics will drive a pro display

xdr now if you're into that so it's you know it's better it's better than it was last year but still you know if i'm trying to get work done i need the macbook pro at least um i still think the macbook air is the best laptop for most people if you're looking at apple's lineup as far as what you're going to spend but yeah i gave the first look at the 13-inch macbook pro i've used it for a while since thumbs up for me um then of course, well, then we got into the $700 Mac Pro wheels. This, where do I even start with? I mean, I bought them, first of all. There's mistake number one.

Yeah, I bought the wheels. And, you know, I didn't really know what type of video I was going to do with them when I was waiting for them. Like I, I went to Apple site, I saw that they were on sale. I was like, I don't know. There's, there's gotta be something here. Right. And I bought them and they arrived and I looked at the box for a while and I was like, this, this is so strange that, that I even have these here. Like what did they just, did I get got get got i definitely got got but you know we we sat on it for a little bit and basically the the video that i ended up making if you've seen it it's just about why they exist in the first place and i think it comes down to

you know it's a really easy product to make fun of obviously how you spent 700 on wheels for your computer. Are you serious? But this whole concept of Apple and their positioning as a luxury brand, especially in the tech space, as a high-end luxury company, doesn't come for free. It's not effortless. It doesn't just exist because people say Apple's high-end. Apple has to constantly think about how to preserve and how to construct this image that they maintain, whether that's in their advertising, or their packaging, or their pricing, or the products they choose to make versus they don't make. And there's a whole bunch there. And I talked about as much of that as I could in this video. But yeah, I just that was I think it ended video. Um, but yeah, I just, that was, I think it

ended up being a more fun video. You know, the explain videos are always some of my most fun videos to make, but I think that ended up being a more fun video. Yeah. I, it also, all the like Mac pro wheels around the internet was just hilarious as it came out. There was Dave 2D talking about making a skateboard out of it, which then Lou from Unbox Therapy did. And then I can't believe he, that was such a great thread, because I think Dave, like, you know, Dave, he just goes into Photoshop and he just makes something goofy. He's like, yo, somebody make this. And then Lou, like minutes later, I remember this on Twitter, minutes later was like, yeah,

I'm on it. And I almost replied, yeah, me too. Like, just casually, just like for fun. That's a joke. and I almost replied yeah me too like I just casually just like for fun the next day yeah the next day Lou's got this video where he grabbed the front of like a Mac Pro clone and like screw the wheels in and legit like got it to roll around it's not a great skateboard so he did it so I kind of want to loop in the like content I like this week into here since we're talking about this already but when Dave first posted it he mentioned a channel called braille skateboarding which one of their really fun videos that i love to watch is

they call it will it skate and they just try and they're all a bunch of really good skateboarders with this like really sick skate park that they built in a warehouse and uh they did it they instead of doing what lou did they took a regular skateboard deck and put the mac pro wheels on it but they put the wheels on and they skated it if you can just imagine what the wheels are like there were obviously a lot of problems but it's really fun to watch and they they do some tricks on it so uh we'll link in the show notes but braille skateboarding actually skated the 700 mac pro wheels and it was nice pretty funny that's that's actually perfect for them the will it skate i didn't realize i saw the video, but I didn't realize they have a Will It Skate series.

Yeah, they do Will It Skate with a bunch of things. They're all super entertaining. They're all crazy good skateboarders too, so watching them do it on some crazy stuff is hilarious. Have they skated an iPad Pro by any chance? I don't think so, but I'm sure if you send one their way, they'll drill some skate wheels into it. Interesting.

World's fastest iPad. All right. You know, it's a headline. The titles write themselves, you know. Exactly. Exactly. Well, we got that. That was a fun video.

You know, if you go back and watch it, you can see like where we're coming from there. The last video before this episode goes up is the Nubia Red Magic 5G. Now, a lot of people haven't heard of this phone, but the title of the video is this is the fastest phone of 2020. And actually using this phone, to me, it turns out to be true. This phone genuinely feels like the fastest phone I've ever used. And a big part of that, it's a gaming phone phone it's got the gamer glow it's rgb i feel like you would love it it's got it's got the sideways text on it you know it's got a solid a solid uh you know design

going on but really the headlining feature besides all the high-end specs are the 144 hertz 1080p amoled display 144 hertz so now we're talking it also has a 300 hertz i believe touch refresh layer which is also faster than your typical 240 hertz from a high refresh rate screen so this is slightly faster than 120 hertz flagships and is thus able to claim objectively that it is the fastest screen in a phone here's where it was interesting uh-huh can you tell the difference between 120 hertz and 144 hertz do you think you would be able to tell the difference on any screen between 120 and 144 on any screen i think there's a difference okay and i kind of write in here why i think the step up from 120 to 144 is like unnecessary in this is that i think if i'm playing a game that i'm very used to right now i mentioned a couple episodes ago i was trying to get a valorant key and i got it it's a first person

shooter i've been playing it non-stop it's so much fun. And games like that that are highly competitive where the more refresh between movement you have, the smoother it goes, the better competitive edge you have is where like 144 hertz really shines. I'm also surprised because 144 is kind of like the standard for high refresh on PC gaming where 120 is usually like used to be high refresh laptops for gaming.

And now we see phones hitting that. But 144 was the standard for gaming. I don't think there's a single game out there for mobile that is as intense and as reaction based that the 120 to 144 would make any of a difference. You could probably argue there's no mobile game that 90 to 120 would make a difference. difference you could probably argue there's no i think mobile game that 90 to 120 would make a difference like you can feel that a little more in everyday stuff but like i think the most popular mobile games right now are are uh like moba games like league

of legends and dota clones and you don't need something that crazy to have a competitive advantage in that um so i don't think it's a difference i don't know something that crazy to have a competitive advantage in that. So I don't think it's a difference. I don't know if I would even be able to tell on a phone, honestly. I think you're completely right. The actual use case of gaming on your phone, which is whatever game you're playing, will it take advantage of 144 over 120? Will you actually want to buy this phone for that? Is no.

It doesn't actually make that big of a difference. My my, you know, try to test for myself, I wish I could blind like truly blind test myself with like the same UI on two different refresh rate screens. But I felt to me, it felt like the tweaked animations in Nubia software, especially with the notification panel pull down and just a lot of the left to right settings. Also, the haptics were turned off because I found the vibration motor absolute trash. I found that really interesting in the video, though. I feel like a vibration motor in gaming would actually be super useful. And it's surprising to me that a gaming phone doesn't have a good vibration motor. You know, you would think spending a little extra on a better vibration motor over 144 Hertz would be the move, but then how are you going to market that?

Yeah, exactly. World's best vibration motor. No, trust me, this one vibrates. That's a great Zach title. But yeah, no, this one I would love to be able to tell if you completely blinded me to which one is which and said which one is 120 and which one is 144 I think I think I could actually tell but it would take some serious pixel peeping and calibration and me going through things for a while and I think that's also coming from someone like you who literally reviews phones basically every single

day you constantly trying new things like not everybody is flipping their notification tray up and down 80 times every time they're trying to see if uh what the difference on the video is um so like you're used to all these different refresh rates and i think you would be able to tell the same way that uh someone like shroud or someone's telling the difference between 240 hertz monitor and 144 hertz monitor is like they are so used to something that they can feel these little tiny differences i mean to take it even out of tech do you know what the regulation basketball is in the nba like what company it is like if you could buy if you're an nba player and you bought some off-brand basketball you'd probably

feel a little difference it's like the normal person would never understand the difference between that but if you do something for so damn long you feel these little little tiny you get really calibrated yeah the analogy i used in the video maybe it wasn't the best well that's because you just piss car people off i know there was some there's some serious car heads that were like oh that's insane of a difference but i i was trying to to lean into the daily driver phrase so if you daily drive one fast car and switch to a faster one i use the porsche 911 and the 911 g3 gt3 rs because like the average person the average person honestly might not feel the difference between those two cars i know they're very different cars but like one of them is a regular 911 911 turbo even let's go with that and then like the souped up race car gt3 rs like if you blindfolded them and put earplugs in and stomped on the pedal and said which one is

faster i think they'd they'd say they were both really freaking fast and probably would take a while to pixel peep and figure out which one is i mean i think it makes sense if you think of somebody driving a prius is going to jump into both of those and they're gonna be like shit this is so much faster than anything i've ever been in someone jumping from 60 hertz into a 120 hertz or 144 hertz doesn't have that in-between knowledge of anything and they're just like oh my god this is a world of difference and with those two you know they're just seeing the difference they're just like, oh my God, this is a world of difference. And with those two, you know, they're just seeing the difference. They're not noticing the little difference between the two higher end things. I think it's a fine thing.

I think you should just never pick cars because people are way too passionate about it. I fancy if I had to take it back and do it again, like the main complaint was those cars are drastically different, of course, you could tell. Let me go, let me take it back and let me go Tesla, because you know I'm calibrated here. Yeah, I mean, I was just thinking the same thing. If you go Tesla Model 3 versus Tesla Model 3 Performance. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah.

Like, you stomp on the accelerator in a regular Model 3, and it's quick. Yeah. It's quicker than your Prius. And the Model 3 Performance is also very quick. But, like, again, that, like, daily driver calibrated thing is the only way to be able to tell that so honestly if we zoom way out and look at this whole thing uh 120 hertz 144 hertz basically on the same level you can assume the same super smooth

performance yeah if you're if you're picking between phones and one's 120 hertz and one's 144 hertz stop looking at the refresh rate and pick the other things you like better because they're going to be so close it's not worth picking well said yeah 24 extra hertz yeah um also the the shutter lag on that phone i saw that on on taking photos fastest up fastest i've ever used in a phone i'm not even gonna like the fastest phone to take mediocre pictures it is the fastest trash photo you will ever take it is so fast um yeah no those are some pretty not great photos no one expected them to be good yeah it's like it's okay here's where here's where we'll we'll we'll get on a different train which is the the refresh rate conversation in general was uh again on Twitter. And I just love this. I almost

don't want to say why, but because it came from a collab I did with Austin Evans. And so, you know, you'll have to watch this video when it comes out. But basically, we had a little wager going on with some trivia in his video. And long story short, the winner chose what to tweet on the loser's account. And so I immediately was like, here, Evans, I have something for you. Tweet that 30 FPS is better than 24. I was wondering why he tweeted that, yeah. So when that video comes out, spoiler alert, yes i i did win the game it's still a great game and you should watch the whole gameplay of it but uh that is why he tweeted that and so you

know evans being a pretty well connected uh tech youtuber lots of other people chiming in lots of conversations starting up again and i was just like popcorn in the mouth just enjoying the 30 versus 24 especially because he was he took such a stance with 30 um but uh i i i leaned in a little more yeah and i finally tweeted that like look 30 versus 24 ultimately doesn't really matter but if you do want to go there i pick 30 because 24 is choppy and the only reason people really seem to defend 24 is it kind of looks a little more cinematic and a little more like the movies. And I sort of brought up that the reason 24 was chosen

is because they're trying to save physical money on film. And if you could get away with 15 frames a second, you would, but it looked too choppy. So they were cutting down and they arrived at 24 now there there is a lot more of a deeper discussion to 30 versus 24 if you you know if you really want to get into it like obviously the regular person watching a video unless you specifically tell them to look for the pans or look for the the motion blur they won't know that it's 30 or 24 and they probably won't care. But for the few people that do notice and care, like the nuanced arguments are, you know, I think 30 FPS looks really good for videos where you're trying to be realistic.

Yeah, exactly. And that's what I'm trying to do. When I'm shooting my videos, I'm shooting 8K. I'm trying to light things well. I'm trying to give you the impression that you're there holding the thing I'm shooting my videos, I'm shooting 8k. I'm trying to light things. Well, I'm trying to give you the impression that you're there holding the thing. Yeah. I think on that standpoint though, real quick is that like people, the channel makes realistic videos so people can get the in-hand feel. But at the same time, we also do a lot of shots that can be considered cinematic, you know, pans, uh, zooms like dolly ins and all these different things. And, and yes, we're using strategies from like, you know, filmmaking and everything. But that's just to make the real life stuff we're looking at look better. So we still are focusing on the real life

aspect of it, where 30 feels better than 24. Right. And so the the argument for 24, that I will concede is a good one, is basically that when you look at 24 FPS content, which also usually comes with a 1 over 48 shutter speed, which is a little bit slower, you get a little more motion blur and it sort of feels a little further from reality. It's able to better suspend your your disbelief for a minute. So if you're watching a film Like a guardians of the galaxy or just some other different type of movie The more frames you add like you've seen those 60fps like soap opera type things It almost feels like you're in the studio with them. Like it doesn't really look right You know you go all the way to 30 and people will still feel that way about it So you go to 24 and then you're sort of in like dreamland where you can kind of you know, you go all the way to 30 and people will still feel that way about it. So you go to 24 and then you're sort of in like dreamland where you can kind of, you

know, adjust reality a little bit more and not get, get caught so much. Yeah. And that's happened because movies have been doing it like that for a hundred years and we're just, we're just used to that. So like, yeah, it gives this, someone said, uh, like almost dream. Yeah. Like a more dreamlike feeling like this is outside of reality, this is a movie. I understand that I'm in it now,

but then I can finish and be back in reality. Yeah. So all that being said, 30 has its place, 24 has its place. For YouTube tech videos, 30 is the correct answer. I'm sorry, it just is. And I am on that train for forever and i don't think anyone can get me it's interesting uh matt workman actually replied

to yours and said that for his youtube channel he does 24 and 30 depending on what he's filming which i think is interesting he's also somebody who does so much about cinematography so like it makes sense if he said if he's doing a screen recording and he's showing stuff on the screen, he's going to do 30. But I'm assuming he's doing 60 if you want. So that's interesting too. But I think our stuff definitely fits better.

It fits more into like news and live TV kind of segment of that rather than fantasy. Yeah, definitely. Cool. Cool. cool well i think that's a good note to to leave off on we'll we'll take a quick break come back and talk a bunch of gadgets and stuff that have come out recently be right back bet mgm is an official sports betting partner of the National Hockey League and has your back all season long. From puck drop to the final shot, you're always taken care of with a sportsbook born in Vegas.

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app for details all right welcome back to the section where we just talk about new tech that's come out that we don't have yet so we just spent a lot of time talking about the new tech that's come out that we have done videos about we have gotten gotten our hands on, or at least I've had here in the studio. Now there's some new stuff also that I haven't tried yet. And this first one is interesting. It's the Surface stuff from Microsoft. We have the Surface Go 2 and the Surface Book 3 I actually do have in the studio, but I haven't tried yet. And the Surface Book 3, it's interesting.

It's the convertible so the surface book is the the tablet that connects to the keyboard while the surface laptop is like the straight up laptop you know with the touch screen um to me it's it's still an interesting form factor but if you go through it it's got the new updated refresh specs quad core i5s and i7s through it it's got the new updated refresh specs quad core i5s and i7s my spec i haven't taken it out the box yet but it has a 10th gen core i7 512 gigs of storage 32 gigs of ram it's got an nvidia geforce gtx 1660 ti with six gigs of vram and windows 10 touchscreen the whole work same form factor um you have any thoughts on this guy? Do you have the price of your model? I'm seeing things that the 1650 Max-Q model is $2,000,

and there's a Quadro RTX 3000 for $3,500. Oh, mine is somewhere in between. I have the 13-inch. In between that? Yeah. At those price points, I mean, I don't know the most about a lot of, like, when we talk about graphics cards, we're almost always talking about the 10 series or the 20 series. Or I think the 20 series might still be technically the 10 series. But either way, I probably sounded like a total idiot there. Um, just quickly looking up like these, the 1660, if you were to buy a desktop graphics card, 1660 versus a 1060 is like half the price.

So I'm just assuming this is a worse graphics card. And when you're looking at prices like that, I, I don't know. Yeah. You know, this is hyped about it. Exactly. I look at this like this is probably around a two thousand dollar spec something like that and for those two thousand dollars you're getting a windows laptop that can turn into a tablet with and i mean it has a dedicated gpu which is nice but you know basically you have to really want this form factor because you could just get a surface laptop or a razor laptop

or an xps uh with equal or better specs or you could you could theoretically say this is competing against ipad pro in this like convertible style if i were if i'm thinking about microsoft competing against ipad pro i'm thinking of like the what is it the surface x yeah yeah definitely like they're actual more tablet stuff this is that weird can i also just say we've we have a an older surface book at the office i haven't played with that with that much but i hate the hinge on it oh the laptop it looks terrible the surface book oh not the regular surface book we have an older surface book where we had one and the hinge on it just looks bad it's a weird looking hinge it it doesn't it's just not great

um to me this is like i don't really get it i like i think their surface x is cool i think their surface laptops are cool i don't get this in between thing it's it's another one of those yeah it's a it's a there's there's always a certain category of products where like, I think they're cool and I'm glad they exist, but I don't really ever recommend buying them because there are better options, but they're still cool. And I like that they exist, you know? Yeah. Um, I guess this leans a little more into the like two in one where the X is more of a tablet that also has like a decent keyboard to it. The keyboard you're getting out of this is far better than the Surface X,

but at the same time, we've talked about 2-in-1s so often, they're not for me. Plenty of people will say they like them, but I have a hard time believing it most of the time, to be completely honest. Yeah, there's not a whole lot of use case for me for like taking the surface book 3 off of the keyboard basically I don't really use windows tablet mode that much like the surface x kind of falls in the same the same way for me but like I like the surface laptop because to me it's just a straight up laptop it happened to be you know nice spec 13 inch touchscreen matte black like big trackpad everything's integrated well and it's got

good specs for the price for the surface book three for me to get the surface book three just over that i i have to want to like separate them and pay extra for worse specs to be able to separate them and i just never do that you have to be ready to separate them. And I just never do that. You have to be ready to know, like, in laptop form, it's thick. Because it separates, all the hardware and internals has to be in the screen. But the keyboard on this looks just as thick as any other keyboard. The keyboard on this looks thicker than the regular Surface laptop. Yeah, it's got battery, I guess, and GPU.

It's a thick boy, yeah. It's a lot. There's a lot going on. So, you know, I guess, and GPU. This is a thick boy. Yeah, it's a lot. There's a lot going on. So, you know, I'll check it out. I will probably actually today, today as we record this right before Friday, I will take it out the box and check it out. But I'm not convinced this is for me.

I think Surface Laptop will still be my Surface of choice. But that actually brings me right to what I think is one of the most interesting Windows releases of the year, the new Dell XPS laptops. So I will refer to the Dave2D video that I've watched on this, and that is the only video I've watched on these. The new XPS 15 and XPS 17. They didn't have a 17-inch laptop before, but these look sick. These look nice. So it's a new 15-inch 17 inch touchscreen windows laptop from Dell.

XPS has been nice for a while. Like these are some of the best windows laptops. And to me, I'm focusing on the 17 inch one. So it's all metal unibody design. It's got this like nice carbon fiber weave on the palm rest area. The whole like inside of the laptop, nice keyboard nice keyboard backlit 1.3 mil of travel 17 inch 4k oled touch screen with really really thin like razor thin bezels uh the bottom bezel is so thin that when you open it it basically folds behind the keyboard and you don't

see any like anything below the deck it's just right to the screen so your keyboard goes right up to the bottom of the screen and then to the top you're talking like three to four millimeters of bezel on each side maybe uh it looks good and basically what dave talks about in this video is this this thin bezel isn't just for looks but it really shrinks the whole footprint of the whole laptop down to where this 17 inch laptop is in a form factor in a footprint almost a little smaller than some 15 inch laptops so you can fit this laptop in your bag that carries 15 inch laptops and have a much bigger screen which is sick yeah i mean it's like what we were talking before about how 13 inch being great if we can get

more more things so does that mean the uh is there a 15 inch version as well and is that closer yeah like a 13 inch footprint it's yeah so the 15 inch is also very similar it has a much much thinner bezel than last year it doesn't have quite the same impressive internals uh there's a different cooling system on the 15 inch versus 17 inch so if you're really looking for performance again that's actually this that is a really big thing i think um people so i don't know if my situation is kind of weird i i'm using a a Razer, a Razer Blade Pro, but I actually use it a little differently. It's basically my desktop at home. Um, I have an eGPU with a 10 80 in it, and then I just hook it up to another monitor and use the, the actual laptop as

like my second screen. So to me, it's pretty good. It does almost everything I want it to do, but it's never going to really have that extra performance to do that much extra um i'm i don't think i would be like right now it's running valorant at 144 frames steady which is like exactly what i needed to do i'm on good graphic settings and everything i don't know i want to try streaming but i don't know if the processor right now can handle the game and streaming and like an internet browser at the same time yeah so it's like one of those things where I'm like okay I wish I kind of had a desktop for this so I can pull off all those different things happening at the same time um but once again that's total overkill like I'm playing the game

I want I just can't stream it which which most people aren't worried about doing. I mean, if this has better internals like that and we're getting to better thermals and everything closer to an actual desktop, which it'll never actually hit that, but you're looking at something more that you can... I think more people are going to go away from desktops. They're going to have a docking station at home for their laptop,

and then their laptop's also their travel companion. Yeah, it's actually interesting. I'll just go over the last specs real quick. You know, you have four USB Type-C ports. There's an SD card reader, which is awesome. There's a huge trackpad. It's a really impressive laptop. But on your point on desktops, it almost seems like there isn't really a very good reason

for a lot of people to buy desktops anymore, because when you buy a desktop, you have to get a monitor and a keyboard and a mouse, and then that's permanently in that one place. And you can get a bigger monitor out of it, but if you buy a laptop and a mouse and a keyboard and a monitor, you can have all the same things as your desktop minus that peak thermal envelope, that extra performance, and then you could take it everywhere. So this is something that's been a trend for a long time.

I started this YouTube channel. I started it with a 17-inch Dell laptop that I used in between two other 17-inch monitors. So I had a triple 17-inch monitor set up permanently on my desk for this laptop. I never went anywhere with it. But it was just like, the fact that I knew I could if I needed to, was enough for me, I just moved to the other side of the room, plug it in again. And there it was. So I'm fully on board with the desktop replacement laptop thing. I'm just curious how many people still like need a casual everyday desktop. I think desktops are going to be seen more and more

for just the like one enthusiasts. People still love building desktops. So like that's always going to be a thing. They love talking about it. Yeah, there's so many people, even YouTube channels, I feel like there's so many PC YouTube channels that I love, but it feels like they never play games. They're just at this point where they love to build them.

And that's awesome. That's really is what you do a very expensive hobby yeah you you build the desktop you record it you you buy all the parts you benchmark it you see what your frames per second are and then you're done and then you don't really have to do pretty much um yeah i think the other people that will do it are the extremely competitive multiplayer gamers who need every extra added benefit they can, any power they can get out of it to get some sort of competitive edge. There's not that many. There's probably way more people who think they're at that point that are also buying it.

But I think that's the best reason for a desktop. Other than that almost everyone who asks me about a computer I always suggest a laptop. Half the time I even just suggest a Chromebook. You can still plug that into a monitor and have a keyboard and mouse and if you're just web browsing usually does the trick. Yeah. Are there

do you think if you weren't a professional in any gaming capacity can you just get rid of desktops like i am i i won't name the name because i don't know if i can say it yet but in my inbox the other day i had a an email about a 300 hertz laptop and i'm like is there is there really anything like you couldn't do on a super super high-end spec desktop replacement grade laptop that you need a desktop for here's what i find funny about that is i don't think anybody who uses a laptop for fairly competitive gaming is using the laptop screen to do the gaming that's i have mine hooked up to

even though the razor screen's 4k my screen i'm hooked up to is 1080 and 144 hertz and 24 inches. If you have a 24-inch laptop, you don't have a laptop anymore. You're just carrying a slate around with you. I don't think anyone's gaming. I actually used to play on a 17-inch MSI laptop and use that screen. 17-inch is a little bigger, but even 17 feels so small when you have to set it back and have your keyboard and mouse in front of you. It's just like, yeah, I think there's still benefits to having a, a, um, like a dedicated setup to play games at,

if you're playing fairly competitively. Yeah. It's, it's an interesting conversation. I have, I have an iMac at home, but I have pretty good reason to believe I don't need that iMac at all. And I could get away with no desktop at all at home. And just a MacBook Pro or an XPS 17 or something would be enough for literally everything I do at home. Unless, of course, you're editing videos from home, in which case, good luck editing 8K raw. No, that's interesting. Yeah, we'll keep an eye on that. I do want to get my hands on the XPS 17.

That's like the one thing that isn't here at the studio that's come out in the last week or two that I'm like super, super interested in. I think that sounds cool, especially, I think the thing I think is the coolest is how you say the footprint is now almost a step down getting the extra screen. I think if they had all the same specs as a 15-inch, but then almost gave you the footprint of a 13-inch laptop, would be really, really sick. That's why I wanted, I was so disappointed that the 13-inch MacBook Air wasn't an adjusted screen.

You know how they adjusted this 15-inch MacBook Air to be a 16-inch MacBook Air wasn't an adjusted screen. You know how they adjusted this 15-inch MacBook Air to be a 16-inch? It's a tiny, tiny bit bigger of a footprint, but a much thinner bezel set on the top and the sides. And I was looking forward to the 13-inch MacBook Pro also having thinner bezels, and they turn it into a 14-inch MacBook Pro. Or maybe they shrink the entire frame,

keep the 13-inch screen, stay lazy Apple, don't change parts, like shrink the whole thing a little bit but they they really did not this is this is an ultra minor update and I guess we're still waiting on this alleged 14 inch arm MacBook or whatever it turns out to be but yeah you know we'll keep waiting. In the meantime, I'm going to see if I can buy a 17, an XPS 17. You have something here about Motorola and Android updates. Yeah, so I'm sure you probably saw it on Twitter. It was definitely on Reddit. So with the Edge+, which we all know is Motorola's $1,000 flagship phone,

they originally said that you were only going to get one major Android update. And obviously, people were not very happy with that. So there's a lot of backlash. They decided to change it to promising two major Android updates. So I want to hear your thoughts. But to me, this just feels like I don't get how they can come out and say that and think like, we're going to please everyone with this. You get two major updates.

Android 11, huh? Like, why am I spending it? I mean, and, okay, we're going to talk about Motorola, but most Android phones do this. You do not get many years of updates. I think Google's probably the best, but I'm pretty sure that's only usually around three major updates in the Pixel lineup. So when you see Apple and iOS getting four to five years of updates going on with their phones,

why in the Android community are we accepting spending over $1,000 on a phone that basically is saying in two years, you're not getting an update anymore, a major update anymore. So here's what I, here's what I think it comes down to is it's the price and it's the, the value of the phone over the years that you own it. So if I'm buying a $1,000 phone and I'm only using it for one year, which is what I do, it's not a very good value at all. Right. But a lot of people are buying, you know, in the last two years, they've bought $1,000 iPhone, and they're good to use that phone for like the next three, four, maybe five years. And that's because, you know, Apple's got that that software update pipeline, they have the vertical integration, they can optimize their software for the phone they make

and the chip they make for multiple years, and they have the teams to do that. And that gives the perceived value of $1,000 over five years. It's like something you use as much as your phone. That's actually pretty good value. So now you look at Android and you're saying, all right, Moto Edge Plus, $1,000. What am i going to

get out of this for the next couple years i use this and they promise one year of software updates which you know i could use the excuse they don't make as or they make too many phones and it would be too much work to keep doing this and pushing no no that's that's like 100 one of the reasons why in the reddit thread there was someone who develops for android like apps and he said it's just too hard there's too many phones that i have to do too many updates on for every major update so it's like impossible but then at the same time i think that should be put put into the picture of like just another reason why yes apple phones are expensive but you are getting so much more in that sense in longevity and i think a a big selling point, maybe not, I don't think it's one we've really talked about,

but a lot of people say, oh, it's okay that we have phones hitting $1,000 because they're getting so good you can use them for longer and longer. I don't think that's true with Android. We realize now that we're only getting one to maybe two updates. How can we use longevity as a selling point when you're not getting updates after a certain point? While you're watching now this $400 iPhone SE is probably going to still be getting updates in five years. See, this applies to both the high end and the low end. On the high end, when you're spending the $900,000 Motorola phone and you're you're nixed after one major software update that really hurts the value proposition of spending that much on a phone that's not good anymore after three

years but also on the low end remember iPhone SE came out and we're all like oh this is it's a recycled design we've seen the parts before but the value proposition of a $400 iPhone that you can actually legitimately use for four straight years, you know, that's, that's an A13 in there. That's, uh, you know, enough screen for most people. And that's going to get software updates for four years. That divided out is an amazing value where you think it's a stupid value. It's so good because when you look at the the equivalent 400 android phone you might think oh that's a better design oh that's a better screen but how many years later are you using that phone and you're like well it's two years later

three years later maybe and you're like this phone is starting to slow down too much i gotta get another one i don't think there is or will be for a long time an android phone similarly priced with the same specs that will last as long it's just like not going to be possible if you think about cheaper android phones you might think are a better price they're probably not running the latest uh cpu which even if they're running the latest the a A13 is better. I think they know that. I think they know that. Because when you're trying to make a budget phone, you're like, what am I going to stand out with?

Because there's certain things I know I can't beat. Is it the camera? I probably won't win on camera making a budget Android phone. So I'm not even going to focus too hard on that. Am I going to win on performance? Well, maybe I can be the fastest, smoothest budget Android phone. But when I spend money on that, Qualcomm's not exactly cheap. You got to spend on the 865 and the RAM,

and suddenly you're not doing too hot on build quality and screen. They got to pick their punches, basically, when you're looking at which one you're going to win with. Because obviously, Pixel's got camera locked up, and Apple's got longevity and software yeah and you can make the argument that pixels they're the first to get updates they're probably they are getting the most updates in terms of future use but like they're still not quite at that point so i kind of see it as like if we're gonna see a genuine competitor in terms of

longevity and and being worth it and all these updates and stuff, like who's going to be the first current Android company that's going to finally take in their own ecosystem and potentially build their own OS, build their own phones, build everything and take an Apple approach? Do you think that will ever happen? If it were to happen, who do you think is going to do it? Well, that's a multi-level question. It's a crazy question that I shouldn't ask at the end of talking about something completely different, but it's too late. I think it's interesting. What I'll say is, number one, if there's any company likely right now to be able to do all of that,

the stack top to bottom, their own chips own os it's samsung and samsung has kind of thought about and tried sometimes that sort of thing uh to very limited success you know we've seen you know huawei cut ties with google and have to think about the same yeah i would say huawei would probably be one of them because they might be forced to do it soon did you just see the they're not allowed to use google services for another year right till 2021 yeah and but when i think about that i still don't know that suddenly matches apple's value proposition yeah it's it's gonna take a very long time but i i think eventually someone's gonna have to take that step to try and get there because android's holding a phone back but as great as android is it's holding it's holding a phone back. As great as Android is, it's holding these phones back.

Another part of that answer was, I've seen really, really good track history for some companies. OnePlus comes to mind, where some of their older phones, they kept updating to major Android releases for like six years. I think the OnePlus One actually,

believe it or not, supported by the developer community very fondly. I guess that's how you get software updates to keep going for years is they have to be loved by the developer community. But OnePlus phones have had a really good track record of three, four years of software updates study. And I think they should get credit for that.

So that's good. But yeah, just in general like that's that's something people don't think about but the lifetime of the use of the phone you can divide out the cost and and ultimately get a better value out of a more expensive phone because it lasts longer um it's that's it's also the main story it's also kind of funny that we as and everyone listening here are obviously tech enthusiasts. And to us, this whole argument almost doesn't, it does matter, but it doesn't matter as much because most of us, the minute we buy a phone, we see another phone that comes out and that's what we want because we want the newest tech and I, and we can't get it, but we're always

looking for that new thing. So not as many of us are using things for four or five years, but then on the other side, the people who are using phones for five years because they don't care about it as much also aren't paying any attention to which phones have the best longevity behind them. Like the average person right now using an iPhone 5 probably isn't thinking like, oh, I'm happy I'm getting all these updates. There's a Reddit thread about people going back in and talking about how Apple products have such great longevity with upgrades, except the people who are using them,

every time an update comes up, they're like, no, not right now, not right now. And then you're three years past the update you want to do or something like that. So it's kind of a weird argument, but I always think it's interesting, yeah. Next video, iPhonehone 7 four years later iphone 6 five years you know my mom uses right now i dare you to use an iphone 7

for a month my mom i think right now uses an iphone 6s or my sister-in-law does yep my sister-in-law uses a 6s so think about like what Android phone that would be from those days. That was college graduation for me. Yeah, I think I was using an S5 around that time, and there's no way that would ever still be working today. I would still have fun peeling that plastic piece off the back because that's what I did. That was like my fidget spinner back then.

Do you remember that i think s5 had that like weird uh like plastic bumpy back right was that the band-aid phone or was that the s4 is that what does that what you call mine was white so it didn't but it kind of had a band-aid feel to it um i think that was also the one that was like ip rated but it was only because it had that little uh like cover on the charging port that every time you would pull it back to charge it it would just get weaker and weaker and like six months and just snap that was peak tech right there where water resistance was a flap over your ports yeah um yeah i'm just that's that's what you get when you zoom out and you really look back at like how long you can use some phones. All right. Well, let's take a quick break. We'll come back and we'll talk a bunch of little tech news.

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change is a different color. I don't get why everyone's so hyped about this. And then after seeing everyone do it, I've kind of looked a little harder and I still don't get what's going on at all. Okay. So OnePlus 8 Pro has a couple of cameras on the back, a primary and ultra wide. You've heard about these. And the one that we sort of shrugged off was it has this random color sensor camera, a color filter camera. Now the one, this is another one I've talked about in the past is like the OnePlus 8 had a two megapixel macro camera. That's unnecessary. just get rid of it just just don't put it in it's fine it's bad but this color filter camera i kind of was thinking the same thing like it's it's kind of useless but turns out this color filter camera is it seems like it's

doing some ir and just mixing in infrared with the actual image and when you shine infrared at thin plastics sometimes it actually goes through that plastic and bounces off the things inside that plastic or behind it and so if you shine this color filter camera if you swipe over to the mode i tweeted this a video screenshot of it if you swipe over and and point it at like a the right thing like an Apple TV or a TV remote or some other dark plastic, sometimes you can see into or through that plastic. So now the OnePlus 8 Pro has x-ray vision. Sick. We can call it a jerry-rig everything mode.

Yeah, it's kind of cool. It's like, did OnePlus mean to do this? I doubt it. That was the question. If OnePlus means to do anything, they market the hell out of it, so there's no way they meant to do this did they doubt it that was the question one plus means to do anything they market the hell out of it so there's no way they meant to do this it's funny yeah you people are talking about one plus doesn't know how to market this feature but you could tell like as the internet sort of figured out what it could do they sort of just went oh yeah yeah it does that yeah

we sure this is the same company that marketed that they put an s in the reflection of the back of a phone if if they're marketing that they would have marketed x-ray vision like let's be real here they didn't know it was doing that at first and here's a here's an alternate uh conspiracy theory is they are so willing to market those things and they they probably would have figured out once they put that in that it does see through some plastics and stuff and they thought that that would make some pretty weird pr that your phone can see through stuff with x-ray vision maybe a little too creepy for these times and decided not to talk about it for these times and decided not to talk about it um but the thing is they still put it in their phone like why even put the color filter camera in the phone at all i have no idea it i really

don't think that's the intended purpose i'm sure somebody at oneplus knew it did that or like saw it as a weird a weird little side thing that that's why it's there but i i don't know i don't think they did it for any reason if they actually wanted it in there because it did that they would have marketed it i don't think i mean we were just talking before about bad pr being good pr with the apple wheels so i think even i mean like one plus is a company that doesn't have his name out there if you saw a million things on facebook saying the new OnePlus phone can see through things, like that's not great PR, but that's PR that people are going to finally know what OnePlus is. That's true.

I mean, I guess they're going to figure it out now because now that people have suddenly realized it, like it all kind of came in one day where everyone just went, wait, what? You can point it at a remote control and see the batteries? I mean, if it's just like a remote control and it can see through the side of someone's house and you can see what your neighbor's doing during the day, I think we'll have a little more to worry about right now. But I think the internals of a remote control don't expect much privacy and we'll be okay. You know, it's funny.

Lou did a video today where he not only had a remote control, but he wore a thin black shirt and put a box underneath his shirt and it could see through the shirt. And you could identify the box and you couldn't really see like completely through it but it's like that weird bit of pr of like x-ray vision on your phone pointed at things you want to see through is i think what we're we're really learning here is lou is on call to do literally anything that twitter posts that's semi-interesting and i think we should all all thank him for doing all the stupid stuff that we think of while we're sitting home in quarantine.

X-ray gate. I'm just going to toss it out there. If you want to run with that, if you want to make it a hashtag, feel free. I didn't come up with it though. You didn't hear it from me. All right. Here's another one. Andrew, did you hear about which side you should charge the macbook pro on i haven't i don't own a macbook so this isn't something that that would affect me very much but i i hope it's the same on both that's all i can say this if anything is a classic like gate waiting to happen but it's such a it's such a minor thing it's not even that big of a deal but so macbook pros i'm using a macbook pro right now macbook pros have usbc ports on both sides two on the right two on the left for the most part um you in theory should be able to use

any of them to charge any of them to plug in if you have the four thunderbolt port version any of them are the same data speed so you know you just use whatever port you want. There's been a story where people charging their MacBook Pro on the left-hand side have seen CPU use spikes and this random process show up an activity monitor called kernel underscore task. And within like 15 minutes, fans are spinning and just plugging it into power is causing it to get hot and they started to test this and you know figure out okay if you plug something in on the left hand side and charge does that thing get worse speeds sometimes yes if you move charging over to the right hand side does the fan spinning stop? Yes, within 15 seconds.

So this is, it's like a random like, oh, okay, don't charge your MacBook Pro on the left side because it might damage your CPU and overheat. Became this weird title. It's an iMore article. It's in the show notes. If you want to read through the whole thing, it seems like a gate waiting to happen,

but I will not suffix this whole thing but i will add on top of this i am using a macbook pro right now it is plugged in on the left hand side and i have not noticed or been able to replicate any of this um but it is kind of a weird story it's interesting because almost every laptop i think i've ever owned is plugged in on the left side including the olds that I owned in college. I default, like, usually plug in on the left for some reason. Like, I guess I just... I think it's just because I've gotten used to it.

I don't know if there's any... It probably has more to do with your surroundings and where the nearest plug is, if it's not behind the computer, if it's to the side. But, like, huh. Interesting. I don't know. Maybe tweet at us what side you plug in your laptop,

if you have a choice. A lot of them just have like a one power plug on one side and that's it. But if you have USB-C power in and you can choose, do you default to the left or the right? I don't know. Maybe it's a righty thing. I'm interested. This feels like one of those things that's going to get debunked or figured out very quickly. There are definitely people out there who will do all the research for this. And I think hopefully within the next week, I bet we know what the issue is here

or something's patched. I can't imagine it's destroying your computer or else Apple would probably, I mean, this is the easiest way that Apple can just be like, well, you're doing it wrong. Use the other one. And it actually doesn't affect you

when like holding your phone. So they can actually tell people to do stuff like that but this this feels that would be not as big of a deal but it's fun fun gossip yeah that would be pretty brutal if they're like you're plugging it in wrong you've been plugging it in wrong for years what the plug can fit in there it's it's still wrong yeah still your fault it kind of reminds me i'm with you it'll probably be pretty quickly patched if it is if there is anything to it um something i'm also hoping is quickly patched is the magic keyboard this is something i didn't find out until weeks after my review um it sometimes just drains battery from my ipad pro just by sitting there with the backlight on um i realized this because i had my my ipad pro did i say macbook pro i meant ipad pro i think

you did and i was a little confused but it just drains battery from my ipad pro so i had it at like some like 80 plus percent battery and it sat there sitting in the magic keyboard overnight and the next morning it was at like 29 this is just real quick this is magic keyboard closed or like propped up open and propped up so it's got the keyboard lights probably sitting on all night. I think that could also be pretty quickly patched. But as of right now, that's kind of a weird one too. Man, you lost 60% battery just from keyboard backlight? Yep.

I don't know how. Yeah, it seems like a no-brainer that keyboard backlight should turn off the second the screen turns off. It should. Or at least have its own sleep function. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of things I think the Magic Keyboard should have as I went into in the video. But yeah, that's one weird thing.

We're like iPad sleep, keyboard sleep. But also keyboard wakes iPad. So maybe keyboard has to stay awake. I don't know. There's probably a quick patch. I just don't know what mean it can it can still sleep and not show backlight and be ready to activate either way it can drain way less battery i feel like yeah i guess the question is is the backlight draining battery or is the staying awake draining battery i don't know whatever it is i will it should get fixed no matter what it is i'll keep

you guys posted on twitter hopefully that does get fixed um all right last thing we want to talk about is i don't know if you saw this uh the code name for it is the lg wing have you seen any photos of this oh this is the one i just saw a picture of it yeah that's that's pretty much all there is but like we love talking about folding phones or or phones that do things to give us more screen real estate so this is that but not exactly that um so like if i had to paint a picture for you mark hasn't seen it but anyone listening who hasn't seen it yeah if you kind of remember like the old uh side, the T-Mobile sidekick. And so imagine you're holding your phone portrait mode and then it's double as thick and the top part of it can rotate 90 degrees and be at the top of your phone. So at this point you're holding like a T. So when this happens, the bottom part of

the phone that you can still see is a keyboard and then you now have the regular screen that was just the front of the phone as landscape so if that makes sense you're seeing about like 50 to 60 percent of the bottom that is a keyboard that is a screen that's normally behind the phone when it's in like regular phone mode but now you have the top as landscape so it's a pivoting screen that can flip to the side and go to the top with a and reveals the screen on the bottom yeah it's not a keyboard it's a screen that is a keyboard i cannot believe this isn't a samsung concept i can't believe i cannot believe this is a concept at all to be kind of honest i'm like sitting here trying to think of what this benefits so like my

my first thought is this the samsung fold or any folding phone opens up and you get more screen as real estate for more apps or better video viewing or something like that this doesn't do that as far as i know it's only a keyboard on the bottom i don't know if you can do other apps all i've heard so far is that it can be a keyboard that they claim helps you be more immersed into the content because you can type seamlessly while whatever on the top is doing the problem is is like if i'm doing if i'm typing anything it still needs that box it still needs to show what i'm typing too yeah so and that from the pictures i've seen once again this is a this is not even close to being done as far as i know it's still under a code name so i'm sure a lot of things can be

changed but like right now if that bottom screen can only be a keyboard i cannot see a single reason or i can see one reason why that would be beneficial and all i can think of is gaming as gaming i can have all my controls on the bottom and i can have a landscape on top and i could see that being semi-beneficial okay but even that wouldn't you want the bottom to also be horizontal so you could have like a left and right side for the games like you should just slide it like the old sliders like the actual sidekick wow it's me man to me this feels like a phone that is now going to be twice as thick twice as fragile and cases are going to be impossible to get or very expensive to get about cases like and all you're getting is i'm trying to think of if you like opened up an email

maybe i can read a little more of the email while i'm typing but the text box has to come up so that's going to take half the screen and landscape so now maybe i can read something but like two sentences will fill across the screen and that's all i'm reading it it just really doesn't feel useful at all by any means although the one thing i was surprised about is even with two screens it says the estimated cost when it comes out would be about eight hundred dollars so then i'm also oh there's some lg for you you know what this is this is our favorite waveform listeners uh the hinge designers this is just them flexing on us right here is this a hinge or is this uh what would you call something that pivots it's still not like a swivel a swivel mounted

it's like the a swivel bracket it's the same team though you already know it's the same same team yeah this is uh this is wild it's i'll be interested to see it if it comes out literally one of my notes in the script right now is just a ton of question marks because i just don't know what to say about it. That's my reaction. The bottom of the article, which we'll link in the show notes, an XDA article says, in order to highlight the premium image,

LG Wing is also expected to come with a personalization service that lets you choose the color. As mentioned, it will retail with a price of around 800 bucks in the second half of this year. That's all we know. Wait, but for real, that color choosing option sounds great.

Why can't other people do that? I'm tired of Samsung straight mirror things. Why can't I choose a color that doesn't suck and I can finally not have it covered in fingerprints in the back? If I started a petition to bring Moto Maker back, I feel like a lot of people would be on board. Moto Maker, you could choose red, white, blue, yellow, pink.

You could put like a wood grain on the back of your phone with like a black or white silver camera color accent. You could do anything. I don't think D-Brand wants to hear you saying any of this. I mean, I'm just saying. Cut him off. D-Brand's going to cut him off. So with all the news articles we've talked about today on the podcast, I think what we're ultimately coming back to is Bring Back Motomaker.

That's going to be the title of this episode. Bring Back Motomaker. The LG wing is what it took for us to realize we wanted Motomaker. I don't know why. A folding, swiveling, T-shaped phone is what it took, but we definitely should bring the wing is gonna make a great thumbnail for a video in the future and then sit in the door sit in the drawer and and we can show it to people so they can ask why as they come i still like this is such a samsung

thing like if i would not i wouldn't have blinked if this was a samsung concept like they made the galaxy z flip already they already have the Galaxy Fold. They've already done all kinds of other weird stuff. And we've seen like some TCL, like Z-shaped fold concepts, but like nobody really expects this to sell. So here we are. If LG actually pulls this off,

I am excited for them to become a whole new beast. There it is. I said it. I said it. All right. They're coming. So that's been it for the Waveform episode. If you have anything else you want to tweet at us

about these articles, you know where to find us, at WVFRM on Twitter. And thanks for listening. Thanks for hanging out during this quarantine. We'll catch you guys in the next episode in another two weeks. Signing off.

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