Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - A Deeper Look at the Google Pixel 6 and 6 Pro

Episode Date: October 29, 2021

Marques is back from his Ultimate Frisbee tournament and dives right into the news with Andrew. First they talk about how the tournament went before jumping right into MacBook Pro notch talk and guessing what the Facebook rebrand is going to be (it was revealed after this recording to be "Meta"). After that David Imel comes on to discuss the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro review that went out this week which takes up most of the episode. Finally, they wrap up the episode with some Tesla talk, because Tesla news is mandatory now. Links to articles: Facebook Rebrand: https://bit.ly/3BkswlL Pixel 6 Review typed mostly with voice: https://bit.ly/3nBN8B3 Hertz Buys 100,000 Teslas: https://bit.ly/3GuLmKB Tesla market cap hits $1 trillion: https://bit.ly/3vT97Y1 Twitters: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/DurvidImel https://twitter.com/AdamLukas17 Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Shop the merch:  shop.mkbhd.com Join the Discord:  https://discord.gg/mkbh Music by 20syl:  https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Andrew. I started it. I'm Marques. Yeah, there we go. In today's episode, we have Tesla hitting a new milestone while simultaneously taking a step backwards. We're going to bring David on later, kind of have our final thoughts on Pixel 6. But first, you had a really busy weekend.

Yeah, I was. So every my entire timeline right now is, yes, where are the videos? Where is the MacBook Pro review? Where is the Pixel 6 review? Where is the AirPods video? view where is the pixel sixer view where is the air pad air pods video um i've been actually with the last video i published that from the hotel at nationals we're uh we're representing new york for club ultimate frisbees national championships in san diego for the past four days um it was a good time we it was it's been a crazy year and yeah not a lot of normal things about this season but it was uh

it ended with us losing by one point in the finals to raleigh so we came in second place um extremely impressive like uh yes lost in finals but i don't think people understand how many like this nationals is the top 16 teams in the country. 16 or 20 these days? 16. 16. I mean, there are hundreds and hundreds of teams out there every year. You have to go through sectionals and you have to go through regionals and then you get to nationals.

Something I never did in my ultimate career and now you have been to finals twice. It's wildly impressive. Yeah, we lost in semifinals in 2019 and then we lost in finals on Universe Point, so by one point, to Raleigh. So congrats to Raleigh. Some of you who might have followed the AUDL Pro Season

might know we also lost to Raleigh in the finals in the Pro League as well, which is incredible for Raleigh, but rough for New York. Great for Raleigh, bad for New York. Good for Noah Saul, bad for Isaac Saul. Yeah, exactly. If there's any Ultimate listeners out here, they're New York, good for Noah Saul, bad for Isaac Saul. Yeah, exactly. If there's any Ultimate listeners out here,

they're brothers that are good friends of ours. But we played a good tournament. We were technically the 9th seed. That is really impressive. But seeds were funny because seeds almost meant nothing. The 4th seed ended up coming in last place. So it was all over the map this year. Ultimate seedings have never been great.

It was a crazy year. But I'm sure, I mean, it kind of sucks that it's in the middle of the busiest segment, but it also is probably nice to just have four days to focus on that and kind of take a break. So that's why the videos weren't right on time because I was out in a field. All right, so we want to do a few tech headlines first, right?

Yeah. We can start off with MacBook Pro. I'm actually, if you're watching the video version, I am now sitting with the new MacBook Pro in front of me. I am testing both the 14-inch M1 Pro and a 16-inch M1 Max MacBook Pro. So you're testing the 14 and the 16. Which one, I'm assuming you brought the 14 with you to travel?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so I actually started testing the 14 when I was out there. But that was just like for regular everyday stuff, which this is massively overkill for. I'm back in the studio now. I can't wait to start. I'm going to be trying to edit a video on this for the first time in a while. I haven't edited a video on a laptop in years.

On the 16. Okay. Okay. So the 16 inch that we're testing is fully maxed out. It's got the highest endend chip with the most GPU cores with all of the RAM and everything, and that's the one I'm going to give a shot. But I took the 14 with me.

It's been great. I think it did everything just as well as the M1 13-inch MacBook Pro did, which is to say web browsing, answering emails, the couple of things I got the chance to do out there. But I'm going to really put it through its paces. But my initial impressions, this thing is nice. I mean, just looking at it, I love the black keyboard rather than that old garbage.

It is nice. Love the keyboard, love the touch ID, the real buttons are back, no touch bar anymore. The screen is much nicer and very bright. Battery life, about the same. MagSafe, can confirm pretty fast charging okay love that haven't had to use the ports yet but i love that there's an sd card slot so if i were to just like

take some photos and you know toss them in pixelmator in here i'd have that with me how nice is it to not have to dig for your sd card reader like that inevitably gets lost at the bottom of your bag whenever you travel it's so nice yeah it is really nice um the notch is just kind of sitting there i feel like i'm over it at this point it just well it's just in the screen speaking of notch quinn from snazzy labs had a pretty fantastic video uh yesterday i think yeah i think even just last podcast i was saying you are never going to fill the menu bar and notifications or whatever up on a laptop uh We'll see. I've been proven wrong very quickly. Quinn did have that happen. I can't even believe this is real. So, oh my gosh, a lot of people have been asking and wondering with the notch in the way now, what happens if your app

menus go too far to the right or your status menus go too far to the left? Did they like, you know, get smaller or do they jump to the other side or are they scrollable? The answer is freaking nothing. If I turn on iStat menus, look at that. There is stuff behind the menu bar that I can't see. Yeah. So the top of the screen where the notch is, the notch cuts into the menu bar. Yeah. So that's where you, like, file edit view, all of those menus are. And on the other side, that's where your time, notifications,

Wi-Fi, all those things are. If you use a program with enough menu bar items, you can actually fill up the menu bar. And then the question would be, okay, what happens?

Does it skip to the other side of the notch? Yes. And Quinn had a couple, I think he was using Resolve or something like that, and he had iStat menus. iStat menu, was using Resolve or something like that and he had iStat menus so Resolve

Resolve has a bunch of stuff on the left iStat menus has a bunch of stuff on the right and they collided in the middle and there was just stuff hidden by the notch

which is really strange and didn't realize that was going to be a problem I don't have that many apps that have that many menu bar items but if you do

that's something to consider Resolve is a pro app. Yeah, and what's funny is it works totally normal. It just pretends the notch isn't there, so the menu will pop down under it. So ultimately, it's not really restricting you unless you're new to that program, and I'm just waiting for someone to look up a tutorial.

You go to this menu category, and now, oh, I don't have that. Oh, it's behind the notch. It's hidden behind the notch, but you can still click it. You i don't have that yeah oh it's behind the it's hidden behind the notch but you can still click it you just won't yeah it's still there i'm sure people will find out but that's super weird pretty funny feels like an oversight but i guess ultimately what else would they do my only like resolve to it would maybe be um if there are too many you add like a drop down arrow and then you know you drop a menu down to now get into the extra menu selections that would be there.

I think it was between that and making it scrollable horizontally, which would be kind of maybe less intuitive than we think. I think we'd know to scroll, but I think a drop-down is easier to see. A drop-down would be easier, yeah. I mean, I guess you have the side scroll on a trackpad or more reason to buy a Magic Mouse, which is terrible. Don't buy a Magic Mouse. But yeah, I did see Quinn's video.

Other than that, I think this laptop's been pretty great. But again, my conclusion on it hasn't been determined yet. It will come down to how well the Pro workflow works. M1 cruised through all of my casual stuff like pixel mater like of course web browsing slack my to-do list all that like basic stuff any laptop can do so i'm looking forward to to notching it up pun intended and uh getting into the maxed out 16 inch and throwing 8k red raw and transcoding at it and seeing seeing what it can handle so it'll be interesting too because like renee's put some videos a lot of people have put videos

out on this already and some of the times they're getting while they're in ProRes, a lot of the stuff they're editing and doing time like export examples of and they're destroying the times. So ProRes I would expect to do an order of

magnitude better because there is a specific section of the M1 Max and M1 Pro chip dedicated to ProRes processing, transcoding, and all that. So if you have a ProRes workflow, I don't even have to test it. You should get these laptops. This laptop will do incredible work with ProRes. But that's the thing. It's built for that and it has a section for that, but what about other things? Of course, shared memory and faster bandwidth and all that stuff is going to have a major performance increase, but it won't be the same as dedicating a piece of it.

If I had an Afterburner card that would be dedicated to transcoding Redcode RAW, that would be a totally different story. We'll see what the new performance stuff does, but yeah, of course it'll crush with progress. about that um all right next up we have i feel like i have to talk about facebook a little bit here they've literally been in the news every day for the last like two weeks it seems like weren't they going to change their name yeah that's kind of what i want to get to um before that the the main thing we're seeing is these whistleblower papers um i don't

really want to get much into it because i don't feel like i'm uh well enough versed in what's going on but there are a million resources out there i highly suggest reading some of them um what i did read was super interesting but yeah we and what feels like kind of a coincidence because of all the stuff coming out i'm sure for other reasons as well, Facebook wants to change their name, but less of changing Facebook.com, more of changing the full-blown company name, kind of similar to what Google went under Alphabet when they started doing more ventures

than just being a search engine. I see. Something like that. So Facebook would be one of the companies under a parent company, and that parent company would also have Instagram and Oculus and stuff like that. Yeah,culus and stuff like that yeah whatsapp and stuff like that i see um it like i said it it makes sense um first of all because it's when you think of facebook you think of the social media the

terrible social media i think most of us come come and if you are you know oculus is fantastic whatsapp is great instagram's pretty great too. They've had a lot of stuff in the news lately as well. But if I were any of those, I would never want to be associated with Facebook and try and break off of that as much as possible. Yeah, I think I was thinking of like the car analogy where when you buy like a Genesis, for example,

in the US, those are like somewhat popular luxury cars, but they're made by Hyundai and you would never spend that much money on a Hyundai. Yeah. But Hyundai has a sub-brand called Genesis that is completely separate from it. You never see the word Hyundai in any of their cars, but that allows them to have a different reputation. Kind of the same thing with Alphabet. Like it's a parent company that holds Google and they run Google and I'm sure they do a bunch of other stuff but that makes sense like instagram doesn't it say a facebook app when you log in it does i yeah that's a good point will that change to what they don't have

the new name yet by the time this episode comes out it might be out i think they have an event tomorrow where they might announce it okay um some people are speculating Horizon because they have this new, I don't want to call it a game, but like new VR metaverse experience called Horizon World. So people are thinking like that's Horizon is going to, Zuckerberg has mentioned it really wants to focus on the metaverse

and they're obviously doing a lot of AR, VR stuff. And so Horizon seems to be the front running rumor, but there's not much about it quite yet. It would be Instagram, a horizon app, Instagram, Instagram, a horizon app. I mean, I would much prefer that over, I'm sure a lot of like younger people who really enjoy Instagram would love to not have it say Facebook and how to correlate with Facebook anymore. For however much that's worth. You still know it's a Facebook company though. Yeah.

Ultimately, I guess. So yeah, that's pretty much it. I think it's the right move and in the future people will forget, but I don't think anyone will ever really forget until like Zuckerberg. No one will ever forget. It's just always going to be correlated with what I consider just like the swamp of the internet. I despise Facebook. It's crazy how much Facebook's reputation has sort of tanked over the years.

Especially in the last probably five to seven years. It was already the sort of older social network. And that's why Facebook ended up like literally buying Instagram. People just went to Instagram and never even made a Facebook account after a certain age. So you're like, all right, how are we going to get these new people and all of their data?

We'll buy Instagram and that'll keep us on the forefront. But like Facebook hasn't really done anything to shift itself back into like, do you think 10 year olds are like itching to make a Facebook account? No, no. They're on Tik TOK if anything, and then Instagram and then Facebook maybe someday. So that's the reputation now.

And that's the, if it changes, but it's the thing is like, they've gone further than just being the old person app, like kind of how we see Yahoo or hotmail email addresses. Like it just seems, but, uh,

but you know, those Yahoo email address didn't do anything wrong. It just became synonymous with like the kind of boomer mentality. Whereas Facebook is now not just for old people, but essentially destroying democracy. So get rid of that. AOL.com. Yes. You cringe sometimes when you see an AOL.com email address.

Yeah. There's still some out there, though. Do you like remember those days of how long it took you to get onto the internet it's just just barely before my time but i've heard i've heard the sound it was brutal i like imagine trying to like load david into this podcast how long do you think that would take that would take a while probably about like as long as an ad break yeah probably all right let's let's do it Yeah, probably. All right, let's do it.

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Okay, so we've used these phones. So I've mostly been testing the Pixel 6 Pro. David's been rocking the... What's the color of that? This is kind of coral. The kind of coral, kind of orangey. Yeah. Pixel 6.

Every time I look at it, it looks like a different color. Right now, you've got the laptop, the rose gold laptop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It kind of looks like it's the rose gold. It does look the same when I look at the camera monitor. But when you look at it next to an orange thing, suddenly it looks orange. And you wouldn't believe me until you saw it in the video. Even the renders online look different than it looks in real life.

Yeah. This color is an enigma. It's like the dress. Yeah, renders online look different than it looks in real life. Like this color is an enigma. It's like the dress. Yeah, exactly. Blue or gold. Blue or gold. We try our best in the video, but the review is up now. It's a review of both phones in one.

So there's that. But we wanted to talk a little more about some of the more nuanced stuff. I've always gotten like the comment that I spend too much time on the camera in these phone videos. It's just a phone. Why are you talking about the camera so much? But this is the Pixel. Yeah. We have a lot to say about the cameras because they're sort of known for the cameras.

Big old deal. Let's talk Pixel for a bit. So do you have any other burning thoughts that didn't get into the review? I mean, you've used this 90 hertz flat 1080p screen for a bit. How are you feeling about that 599 yeah i mean i think the 599 is makes this phone one of the best deals as an overall package on android right now yeah um agreed a lot of people would probably say like oh there's you know cheaper phones that are have a faster geekbench score or something or have like a 120 hertz display. But like considering all of the smarts that you only get on Pixel as an overall package, $599 is at a price that I don't think any of us were expecting.

We guessed in Slack, and I guessed $699, $899. But $599 is just like the cherry on top. Yeah, I remember before we got briefed on the prices, we were told all about these phones and Tensor and these new cameras and the phones share a lot of parts and then we were told one of them will be

mid-range and one of them will be flagship. And with just that information, I think I was guessing $799, $999. Just like that's what I think of

when I think of mid-range. Maybe I could be $699 or $750 like the baseline iPhone but that's what I was thinking. So when we got to $599, $899, I was like, okay, $899 is pretty premium, but $599 for the Pixel with that same chip,

the same primary camera, the same software, that's a really good deal of a phone. Same storage, 128. And even the design, I'll be honest, I would almost prefer the the standard pixel so the they've curved the screen over the edges on the 6 pro just a little bit and it's all right it shrinks those bezels a little bit um but it's got these glossy sides they're both aluminum sides

but this is much more fingerprint prone than the matte sides on the 6 so i actually i would rather have that build this matte is not quite the matte that you got on the 6. So actually, I would rather have that build. This matte is not quite the matte that you got on the Pixel 4. If you have a Pixel 4 or Pixel 4 XL, that's a nicer matte, in my opinion. This one's definitely like aluminum with like a matte texture, but it's not the same thing. Yeah. My theory on the pricing with Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro,

it's $599.99. You obviously get the 120-hertz display over $90. and Pixel 6 Pro. It's $599.99. You obviously get the 120 hertz display over 90. You get the telephoto, 4X telephoto camera over the no telephoto camera at all. You get the wider angle front facing camera

with a higher resolution. It's 11 megapixels over eight. But I think everyone was kind of just like the penultimate question for all of this has just been like, is that $300 worth of stuff? And I have this theory that actually that extra $100, right?

Because maybe they could charge an extra $200 for the Pro. My theory is the millimeter wave. Because I really, because Verizon and other telecom providers often charge a lot more. Like the OnePlus 8, I remember when that came out, the

UW version on Verizon, which stands for ultra-wideband, was $100 more than the regular one. And I don't, you know, they're probably just trying to make up for the money that they put into the infrastructure, and this is how they're trying to make it up. But for people that don't know, the Pixel 6 has 5G low band and mid band, but it doesn't have millimeter wave. Right. Whereas the 6 Pro has millimeter wave. Has millimeter wave. By default. There are some carrier specs of the Pixel 6

with millimeter wave. We're still trying to figure it out. The Verizon and the AT&T ones are $100 and $140 more expensive. $140 more for this. That almost no longer becomes a deal. But like this is, yeah, yeah. It, almost no longer becomes a deal. But like, this is, yeah,

yeah, it's, it's wild. So, well, that matches with your theory though, perfectly. Yeah.

$100, Verizon is charging $100 more. Yeah. How AT&T is charging another $40 on top of that. But the funny thing is, Verizon is charging another $100 on top of the $100 that I think was already put into,

you know, making, oh wait, no, no, no, you're right. You're you're right because they added if they added it to this yeah so yeah I mean yeah it sounds but I would say that like for most people like the funny

thing is like a lot of Android enthusiasts are going to want to get the pro yeah that's why they made it because I have this theory that they need to pixels need to be pro and not pro at the same time all of the google assistant features in every pixel and the reason that i love the 4a so much is that all the assistant features are helpful in a way that you don't need to interact with your phone physically as much you've got now playing you've got hold for me like all these things that make it so it just automatically does things. Google Assistant, Google Voice.

Well, not Google Voice, Google Assistant. But the Android enthusiast community are the people that buy Pixels in the first place. So then Google has bounced back, back and forth over and over again on whether it wants the Pixel to be premium or

affordable, or premium or affordable. And it still hasn't gained market share on either of those, so now it's just like, let's do both. And I think that's a really good move. Yeah. So we've got, there's a couple really, there's some standout things about the phone that we can dive into a little more.

Watch the video review if you haven't already. It's like 20 minutes long. But let's talk about a couple things. First of all, should we just do camera right off the bat? Yeah, let's do camera. I know David has a lot of takes on the camera. couple things first of all should we just do camera right off the bat with camera i know david has a lot of i got a lot of camera yeah okay um my general overall take that we can pick apart is they are over processing a bit and my you know you look at a lot of the photos and it takes a

10 out of 10 photo sometimes and it takes weirdly a below average like 7 out of 10 photo other times. And I feel like I can see, I can see the camera like with its potential. It's a 50 megapixel huge sensor taking in way more light. I can see that potential in a lot of the shots, but then the over processing and over HDR look that I get from it

makes it look worse than it should. So in a lot of like totally normal average looking scenarios, it'll, it'll start peeling in like highlights and shadows that don't need to be pulled in where in like the tough situation, like out the windshield of my car at night with the ultra wide wall moving, it'll be an incredible shot. And I'm like, wow, this is an incredible camera. And that's the 10 out of 10. But then the 7 out of 10 is like the normal shot where it over HDR stuff.

So I'm thinking it can get better with software updates. Like I've seen really good shots in a lot of situations where a lot of phones can't compare. And so that makes me really like this camera, but it's going to need a little bit of tweaking I think. Yeah, okay. So the point of computational photography is to get around physical boundaries,

to cheat physics, and in previous devices, smartphones have had some of the smallest sensors out of any camera, right? We kind of moved from these large format cameras down to this and then we kept getting smaller and smaller and smaller, and smartphone cameras have traditionally been the smallest. One of the earliest examples of computational photography, portrait mode,

right? That's a great example. It's grabbing the edges of a thing and creating a foreground and a background, and over time, they tried to create more than just a foreground and a background. They tried to create more depth levels in order to try to emulate the way that lenses actually work. That was all a stopgap until we got to bigger sensors in smartphones. And I think that

that is like one of the first examples. The other examples are like HDR and that kind of stuff. And those are the things that I think are becoming a problem. Now that smartphone sensors are getting so big capturing so much light and one of the things that a big sensor does

is give you natural depth of field and it also gives you more light capture yeah sometimes too much depth of field right right yeah totally and like a little bit like too wide open right we saw this on the S20 Ultra and I think this is having a similar first-generation problem, but not quite as bad.

Yeah. There's also two software features that they added in the camera modes that are also both software tricks to simulate things you do with hardware. So you know that action pan shot that you get where if a car is driving by, and you get your shutter speed just right, and you turn the camera fast enough

you get the sharp subject and the blurred background you can in the pixels action pan mode hold still let an object pass through the frame take the shot

and it'll blur the background in the direction that the object is moving to create that effect so it's again a software trick to do something you would have done

with hardware it's pretty smart and it's good the other is long exposure mode same idea you find like a waterfall or even like It's, again, a software trick to do something you would have done with hardware. It's pretty smart, and it's good. The other is long exposure mode. Same idea. You find a waterfall or even light streaks from car headlights at night, and you just hold still, take a quick exposure.

You don't have to hold there for very long. It'll look at everything moving and go, okay, here's the direction they're moving. Blur. And it just makes this cool long exposure effect. So we're getting a lot of Google smarts in that direction, which is like solving for not amazing hardware. Yeah, don't forget about the thing with the faces where the face is blurry. It will take a photo with the wide angle camera

at a faster shutter speed and then superimpose it. Yeah, it's always running a higher, faster shutter speed with the ultra wide. And if it notices blurry faces, it will stitch in the sharper face from the ultra wide into the regular shot it's good stuff one of my favorite things about yearly pixel launches is that they almost always introduce some new crazy computational photography mode that you're just like you

weren't even thinking of like the astro mode in the pixel 4 is literally just an extension of hdr the way that the original create originally created h created HDR with stacking and that kind of stuff and realigning that stuff. This year was definitely very cool. The funny thing is, some of the earliest use cases for machine learning, especially in photography, has been object identification

and knowing what an object is because you're just comparing hundreds of thousands of objects against each other and then coming up with a tighter and tighter confidence interval. And so the thing like the action pan is built on top of that, right?

Because you're saying, this is the car, this is exactly where I'm going to sketch out the car to be. Everything else is going to have like a blur effect. Yeah. And we'll talk about Magic Eraser in a second,

but I think that is one of the most interesting approaches to doing a camera. There's been a lot of Huawei phones I've noticed in the past that have like an AI camera mode. I think it's on by default, actually. And it will... Scene detection.

Yeah, exactly, scene detection. And it'll notice like hundreds of different varieties of things and adjust the shot according to how it thinks you want it. And that's the common theme I've noticed with all of these is it's adjusting the shot based on how it thinks you want it. And that's the common theme I've noticed with all of these is it's adjusting the shot based on how it thinks you want it. It sees grass on the ground. We'll bump that grass up to be more green. Oh, you're taking a landscape shot.

We're going to make the sky more blue here. Oh, you're taking a shot of your dog. We're going to bump the contrast and the sharpness here. Versus maybe Apple's approach with photographic styles, which is like here's a rich contrast one if you want that. Here's a vibrant one if you want that. Here's a warm one. Here's a cool one.

And I think the Pixel is just doing the good old-fashioned make everything bright and contrasty and hope you like that every time. And I think it would win the blind smartphone test for the first time. Because bright and contrasty is what people generally like. Yeah, but I don't know that the enthusiast photographer in us actually likes that more. Yeah. So that's interesting. Something that Mark Lavoie,

who was the former head of computational photography for Pixel at Google, now is at Adobe, told me when I interviewed him a few years ago was we're not trying to make a camera in the Pixel, we're trying to make a magic imaging box. You press a button and everything just gets done for you. That's why traditionally the Pixel camera's UI

has been really stripped of any additional settings. And actually, if you want to change settings for Pixel UI, I think they've rolled that back a little bit. But most of the photo camera settings have been in the settings menu, not in the camera app itself. Sounds kind of like a little closer to the Apple approach before we got the photographic styles. Before photographic styles. That's the thing.

I feel like they want to minimize the interaction because they just want you to be able to take out your phone, open the camera, double tap. Or tap on the screen. Kind of going back to the way that you said that it's like a 7 out of 10 a lot of the time, sometimes a 10 out of 10. Our theory for this is that Google's used the same sensor in almost all its pixels. 2 through 5, exact same sensor.

Pixel 1, almost exactly the same as 2. Actually slightly bigger photo sites, which was interesting. They went backwards. But they had like we said before the point of computational photography is to make up for the physical boundaries in a device.

And so Google kind of figured out like okay well HDR is something that you can't really get with a small sensor naturally because you're brightening things a lot right you're like bringing up the shadows and you're lowering the highlights and then also contrast and sharpening and generally when you have a crappy sensor contrast and sharpening kind

of allow uh an image to look a little bit better than it normally would if it was like out of a blurry three megapixel like feature phone yeah but it'll start to look a little more processed exactly so so they did this for years and everyone like was like the pixel camera is amazing because it was amazing every single year they got more intense with the hdr and i think that was the wrong move personally like yes you can see more detail in the shadows and yes you can retain more highlights but the point of like contour and contrast is what gives images depth and at some point people start to look like zombies because it lifts the shadows in their face they look dead grass starts to look gray like everything sort of starts to

look gray yeah and now we have this new 50 megapixel sensor which like you said earlier is a 12.5 I heard something about it's like it's a physical bin instead of a software bin and that's the reason that you can't switch it to full 50 megapixels I don't understand that

if it's a 50 megapixel isn't it not a 50 megapixel sensor then if you can never ever ever get a 50 megapixel image from it my guess is that Apple bought up all the good 12 megapixel sensor then if you can never ever ever get a 50 megapixel image from it? My guess is that Apple bought up all the good 12 megapixel large sensors and so then they had to go with

whatever was available and if it's a Sony or a Samsung, Sony and Samsung like to just be like look how high resolution our smartphone sensors are but now they've got this huge sensor and we did all this testing right? I was like, okay, if you shoot raw photos out of the Pixel, because you can.

Right, this was good. Yeah. There's a raw plus JPEG mode. You can also use the Lightroom camera app and shoot raw. Then you can compare what this sensor is actually capable of versus what Google is doing in the processing. Yeah. We shot raw. When you shoot raw, it's really flat.

It's like log. You bump the vibrance to sort of bring color back to people's skin. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to go on a tangent between vibrance and saturation, which is very confusing, but I won't do that. Contrast curves. Yeah. Yeah.

So if you bump the vibrance back up you kind of see like okay overall quality of this image sensor what is it and you can see the amount of processing that google is doing makes these images look like a pixel 2 pixel 3 pixel 4 more more like a pixel 5 photo because of how much processing they're doing to the HDR. But over sharpened, over contrasty, the way that it's processing into a JPEG makes the skin break down, makes the eyes break down, pulls all

of the highlights out of any highlight, pulls all the shadows up. And it also does some distortion correction. We took this photo of Adam's face where on the raw it looks like his face. It looks good. But on on the raw it looks like his face it looks good but on the pixel photo it's like almost it doesn't look wrong but he looks different like he looks like a different person it's like reality went through a black box and out the other side you got this

really shiny like impressive photo on a phone screen but when you start to blow it up or start to want to edit it yourself, it's actually not as good as the original. I think a sweet spot would have been right in the middle. And I don't know if that's the way they think about cameras where like, oh, we want to appease the enthusiast and give them a little bit of a flatter image. No, they're trying to win the blind

smartphone test. They're trying to give... Enthusiasts don't make money. I get it. I hate that I care about this so much because I know that it's probably the opposite opinion. The thing is though, if you really think about it, they kind of nailed it because the enthusiast is going to be

able to take a raw photo and do what they want with it and get what's needed out of it because they all know how to do it, whereas the point and click is going to be exactly for the regular people. But if you look what's needed out of it because they all know how to do it. We're at the point and click is going to be exactly for the regular people. But like, if you look what's capable out of the sensor, it looks so good.

It looks like almost like a medium format camera image because of the, like the proportions of the size of the sensor to the lens. Like it's crazy. The problem just is, is the people who are buying it arguably aren't going to notice that difference or they're going to see like we've proved with the smartphone test that like, yeah, sharper, brighter is going to be perceived as better. I totally understand that their counter, like their probably counterpoint is like 95% of people view all their photos on their phone. Yep. And that is true.

And I totally understand. I just see the capabilities out of this phone because I blew them up on the Pro Display XDR and they look amazing. I could have taken that on the Hasselblad camera and it's like, it's crazy. Yeah, that I think is kind of tied into the whole idea of what Pixel is this year, which is they're trying to make a phone

for everybody this year. I mean, we've seen the enthusiast market and it's sort of like Pixel has always been the example of what an Android phone would be. I mean, you can seen the enthusiast market, and it's sort of like Pixel has always been the example of what an Android phone would be. I mean, you can buy it if you want. Some people bought it, whoop-de-doo, Google Store, maybe a couple other places. But now it's just like, oh yeah,

we're going to run commercials for this for months. We're going to share this with as many people as possible, and this is our big shot at giving people a third option after iPhone and Samsung. That's a very different approach from what Pixel has been in the past, and maybe the camera sort of tilted in that direction as a result. I still think they can update it a little bit in software.

I'm holding out hope. We'll see. I don't think they will, but I will also hold out hope. Oh, we'll see. I'm optimistic. Magic Eraser, though. I want to talk about Magic Eraser for a second. It's so fun.

So this could be a gimmick, and I'm overreacting, but I loved it. I mean, Instagram reels loved it. So the world must like it too. I guess I lost that bet. Instagram, it was, it was doing really great on Instagram. Literally you just open up a photo, go to tools, go to magic eraser, and it determines with AI, if there's anything in the background, you probably don't want. It's pretty good at that by itself. It'll just highlight little people behind you. If you're standing alone in the front of the frame and there's somebody in the background you probably don't want. It's pretty good at that by itself. It'll just highlight little people behind you. If you're standing alone in the front of the frame and there's somebody behind you over your shoulder, it'll just highlight it right

away. More object detection for machine learning. Exactly. It knows these objects and it goes, you want to remove this? And it gives you a button. And you hit erase and it just disappears and it fills in the background. So, if you're aware of content-aware fill in Photoshop or even After Effects,

it works really well with certain types of backgrounds. And so all the examples we see that work really well are typically patterned backgrounds, simple backgrounds, high-contrast object versus background. And when you do that on this phone, it really does look like magic. I'm telling you, you can show your parents this. I love the fade-in, fade fade out effect that it has too. Yeah, it just highlights it and just glows and disappears.

And you're like, that's crazy. That looks like the future. Show that to your parents and they'll think it's the coolest thing ever. I guarantee it. It's faster than Photoshop Contador fill too, by a lot. That's the tensor advantage right there. That's tensor, baby, that's tensor. So good for them.

If you try like a crazy huge object with a crazy complex background, it's going to look insane. Yeah, it doesn't always work as well. I think you guys did one of, it picked me out of the back of a photo of you guys in my desk and it did not do a great job on that.

It like ripped your upper body out, but your legs were still there and then it made it just blurry. It was just this like stretch across. It's just like content to where a fill where the area you take out if it doesn't hit it's just kind of a smudge yeah it doesn't know what was supposed to be behind it's bringing something like a professional grade tool to common people and letting the basics of it work really well letting them see it for the first time where i'm sure most professional people would rather just

clone stamp or something manually rather than if the the iPhone had this, people would be losing their minds. I think this is a really cool gimmick. Like when you go to like a famous photo spot or something or you go to like a very popular tourist destination, the Instagram ability of this for people that, you know, they're like I ran across the Golden Gate, not Golden Gate Bridge, the Brooklyn Bridge the other day. like I ran across the Golden Gate not Golden Gate Bridge the Brooklyn Bridge the other day and there's people running through and the amount of people that are trying to get that photo

where it looks like they're the only one on the bridge but then there's everyone running through this is the perfect scenario. That's what everyone's thinking when they see this commercial. Yeah. I can finally get that photo now

that I have this phone. So I thought it was really cool that speed of it and the video I showed that's the tensor advantage. Yeah. I want to talk about a thing I was surprised by, which is the battery life

not being that great. I haven't published the video yet, so we'll see. I'm going to watch other people's reviews once I publish this, but I'm very curious what your experience and thoughts were with the battery. I thought it would be amazing. I thought it could have been amazing. Yeah. I got a little over three to three

and a half hours of screen on time. You got a little better, right? Yeah. On the pro I was seeing like around four. Probably because the LTPO display. Sure. Yeah. LTPO, a little bit bigger battery. Obviously it's a bigger, brighter screen, but I'm, I'm, I never got over four and a half. Yeah. So it's not great, especially when you compare it to what Apple did this year with the iPhone 13 series and just like an hour and a half more, two and a half hours more, and now the Max in particular gets like 10 hours of screen on time.

And that was my comparison. So when you hold up an iPhone 13 Pro Max, it's a big phone, sure, but it's very flat, very tightly put together. That phone has a 4 4300 milliamp hour battery not that huge yeah and it's an it's a two-day phone it's got like a crazy long eight plus hour screen on time battery life yeah so now google comes out with a phone tensor yeah 5000 milliamp hour battery i'm thinking wow okay yeah it's to be good. And I'm getting half of the

battery at best that the iPhone did. So that was my initial curiosity. It was like, oh, I guess Tensor didn't really take too many cycles off of the high-powered cores, maybe? Yeah, it's not the same thing as Apple having efficiency cores

and high-power cores, really. The Tensor cores, the TPU, are sort of separate from the low energy cores, right? And your phone's sort of doing machine learning all the time, especially Pixel phones because it's always listening for the keyword and it's always doing these little like smart assistant things. There's a context hub on the chip itself, right?

And that's supposed to be a low-ish power hub. I just think that overall, this is like the first chip design that is built around the TPU. It's Google's first attempt at sort of designing their own chip, manufactured by Samsung, but that doesn't matter. I think

that's a confusion a lot of people had. They were like, Samsung's making the chip for Google. It's like, yeah, they're building it like TSMC. Yeah, Google's not a foundry. Yeah, Google's not a foundry, but they designed it. I think this year was just like, okay, can we make our own chip? I listened to

this interview with Rick Osterloh, and I think he said they started the process of conceptualizing it five years ago, but they only started actually making it a couple years ago, but they only started actually making it a couple years ago, building the design. I think this year is just making sure that they

can we actually do this, and what is possible if we really push these TPU cores to a limit right now. I think next year, second generation of most products is where you really iron that stuff out.

And I think next year they'll figure out how to make Tensor work just as well while using a lot less power. I had a friend at Nationals ask me, hey Marques, should I get the Pixel 7? And at first I was like, what kind of dumb question is that? But then you're like, wait. And they were like, well, I've got a Pixel 4 and I don't

really think I'm going to get the Pixel 6. I'm going to be good for one more year, so how's the Pixel 7 going to be? And then I actually thought about it. It's like asking how the iPhone 14 is. I know. I initially was just like, I don't know anything about that phone. But I thought about it, and I was like, you know what?

The second generation of Tensor, it'll be their second shot at this new camera system, and they'll probably refine a lot of things about the design. And it'll kind of feel like a second generation of this new Pixel. Right. And I thought about it. I was like, actually, yeah, that's probably a good place to jump in, like Pixel 7. And that's not saying Pixel 6s or 6 Pro are bad phones by any means.

I still think the 6 is a great deal. And you should jump on it if your phone's getting kind of old. But yeah, I agree. When we'll see the second generation of Tensor, I'm going to be that much more interested in battery. This is also apparently the first Pixel Pro Pixel phone or, like, higher-end Pixel phone that is built by that HTC team that they acquired.

Yeah. Like, apparently they did, like, the 4A or something. Right. But this is the first, like, Pro one. And the build quality yeah is not quite iphone level um or even like high-end oneplus phone level in my opinion like there's a lot of weird quirks about the build quality that make it feel like slightly cheaper than other android phones just a little but especially pixel 6 is such a good value that like that's something you

can write off right that's the difference though so with pixel 6 with that price i'm totally fine with it yeah with this phone they keep saying flagship flagship flagship and so my natural instinct when they say that word is to compare it to the other flagships which are a bit more expensive yeah but you do start to see yeah you do start to see a difference there and s21 ultra screen is way better than the pixel 6 pro screen it just is it's a better screen the iphone has a flat screen i think it's also better despite being lower resolution so it's those types of little things with the build quality just how tightly built it is there's a lot of seams on the back so i agree like in the flagship you can nitpick a bit more but yeah if we can talk a little bit more about Tensor really quick so as you also

saw the speed of the natural language processing on Tensor is just so good it's incredible can we do a demo right now can we have like Andrew talk and then I put this up next to him can you rap

how good are you at rapping Eminem songs also I'm in airplane mode and that's gonna be totally fine for this yeah because it's on device yeah alright and you can just talk as fast as you want

talk as fast as I want I do know Guns and Chips from Hamilton is that that's pretty quick I don't know

will we get demonetized I don't think so can you say it really fast it is it is a fast song and I'm already cringing that I've offered this out here.

Whatever you want. Give me one minute to like, well, let me get this. Hold on a moment. Okay, I trust you. I'm excited for this. I'm taking this horse by the reins, making a red coat for the bloodstains. I don't know if I'm going to stop until I make a drop and burn it up and scatter the remains. No, okay.

It didn't do that. That was too fast. It was a little slurredred it has to be slurred to be that fast but yeah um but it's still though is continuing to do this as i'm talking right and what's pretty impressive is that it's keeping up with everything it's almost at the point where i don't know what to say the next word because it's exactly where i am on the screen and i'm kind of losing breath but this is a perfect podcast contest. I'm out of breath. It's a real time.

It's crazy. It's really impressive, although now it is getting a little confused because you're talking in the background over some of the things, and that's the one time where it seems to kind of go off. I'm trying to remember who it was, but somebody wrote most of their Pixel 6 review

with the voice. I was going to say that's. Voice to tags. This has changed the way I think I'm going to use this phone, which is I want to use voice more often as much as possible. I'm texting with the voice a lot more. Oh, yeah. They got the little mic and the keyboard.

I noticed Michael was doing that too. We were at a bar last night. He's just like texting like long paragraphs with his voice. Exactly. And it punctuates you well. And if you're in the middle of something and catch something being wrong, while the mic's still going,

you can go cursor around different parts of it and replace words. It has content awareness. So if you correct a name spelling one time, it'll remember that later. If you are texting somebody about somebody, it will remember the name and the spelling of the person in your contacts

that you're talking to them about. It's really, really good. Does it say MKBHD or does it say I'm Kim PhD? That is a fantastic question. I've never tried it and I might as well just try it right now. Ready? Let's do this live. I'm going to screen record. What is up, guys?

This is the real truth. Alright, here we go. Hey, what is up, guys? MKBBHD here welcome back to another video and it did actually get it right now they just need to like run the YouTube thing on their TPUs and then we'll be good that is not what I expected

usually it gives you some sort of a weird alteration. MKBHD was one I forget what some of the other ones were because I banned them from our subreddit because they got so annoying. That's good. Yeah. So the other thing with the natural language processing is like you can live translate with live caption. So live caption is something that they introduced last year, I believe, where you basically on device without internet, you can caption any content that is on your phone.

So if you take a video of your kid's recital or something, you're watching it back. It will just put the captions live as you're watching the video, which is incredible. And now if you're watching any video in a different language, it will show you captions in your language. Live translated captions. Without language. Live translated captions. Without internet. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

This is the type of stuff that doesn't appear on any benchmark. No matter how good your chip is, this is the type of stuff you can't really measure until you just use it and you're like, oh, this is incredible. So that's why I said in the video the delta between the benchmarks and the usage

is massive here. My theory is we've really sort of hit this limit with CPU and GPU performance, more CPU, I guess, but where you can't really tell the difference between this year's flagship smartphone and last year's flagship smartphone. So what should we be trying to make better year over year?

It's the ML stuff. It's the stuff that is actually going to be helpful to us on a day-to-day basis like all of this stuff that feels like magic. Like our tech is starting to feel like magic. Let's just accelerate the magic, right? Fully in on that.

We spent a lot on Pixel. I want to take a quick break. We'll come back and talk about whether each or any of us will full-time upgrade to it. I know Andrew's been a Pixel user for a bit. We'll get to that. And we've got some other interesting Tesla stories as is tradition on the Wayfarm podcast. So we'll be right back.

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Yeah, you said, are you going to main this phone? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to main this phone? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to main this phone. Yeah. I mean, to me, it comes down to Android 12. I really like a lot of the features. And to me, it was between this and the S21 Ultra,

which I've mained more than any other phone this year. Fun fact for the podcast. Yeah. I really like the OnePlus 9 Pro. The screen is so much better on the Samsung that I went to it. It's still better than the Pixel but I like Android 12 that much.

Google Assistant, call screening, live transcription, all these little things. The camera's good enough. I'm probably just sticking with Pixel Pro. I tweeted a couple days ago and this is a very classic tweet but like this is the hardest year for me on

whether or not to be on the latest pixel or on an iPhone and previously I didn't really care that much but then I started this job and then we started using a lot of Apple products and then I got locked into the ecosystem and now it's like I feel the chains but Android 12 for me

is a huge reason like Tensor is amazing all the smart natural language processing stuff is great. But Android 12 just feels so, like, fun and friendly

and it feels like such a huge refresh when it comes to, like, specifically Material You. When it comes to, like, the experience of your pixel.

Because you say, like, change your wallpaper, change your life. Now, change your wallpaper, change your life, and change your system theme.

Change your accent colors. Exactly. Not the accent button though still yeah I'm sad about that imagine change your wallpaper change your accent button

that would be crazy that would be crazy put a little LED in there Andrew patent pending that big question you're the one that owns a Pixel 4 right now

yeah you gonna upgrade okay so like this hearing everything I haven't tried it yet but like everything you guys say is so exciting

and the battery life just makes me so sad but here's a question hearing everything i haven't tried it yet but like everything you guys say is so exciting and the battery life just makes me so sad but here's a question how good is the battery life on your pixel 4 because that that phone did not have great battery life i mean yeah but i hope that two years later is better than the phone i'm using that's two years old um the thing is is like ultimately i think i still probably will because i just know my day-to-day usage revolves around having chargers in pretty opportune spots like i have a long commute i have a wireless charger on my desk i have a wireless charger on my desk at home i have one by my bed so like i highly doubt it'll happen and if i'm going on a long hike going on a long trip i have

a battery bank i can keep with me it's not that big of a deal it just feels like it hurts really bad like it feels like it's they added all these amazing things that like you said are magical like this phone feels magical in so many senses and then the battery just seems like such an obvious thing that should be better and when you see those numbers feels like it should be better and yeah i think it's just kind of sad i think Tensor is just power hungry. Get the Pixel 7. That's what I'm saying. I'm just going to daily it. If this phone had the iPhone's battery life

I would no hezzy recommend this phone so fast to so many people. Battery's important. I think that's the issue when you compare it to an iPhone. I know people who are Pixel users and didn't really like some of the newer ones.

So they went to iPhone and this was one where they're thinking of coming back. And I was just like, I don't, I don't know if it's the one to come back. It's funny with this. The script is flipped. The iPhone always used to be like,

I love iOS, but the battery sucks. And now it's literally the opposite. Yeah. Crazy. I think I have some nerdy friends too, who like, uh,

you know, on that branch of nerdy, not quite us nerdy, but like, like liked Android stuff. And then, but once you go to iPhone, it's hard to come back. So hard to get out. I'm saying that as someone who's never done it and I understand how difficult it would be. It's factual.

I regret it. I think I will probably get a regular six though. Yeah. I think this is an insane deal. I might wait till it even goes on sale it probably will because it's google that's which is what's also really fun about it like friday baby it's coming up yeah so we'll see i might we'll see shipping dates are pretty when are you getting yours adam you ordered one already yeah i ordered mine and it's supposed to be coming

here this friday i believe oh i thought it was like not till late november it's supposed to be coming here this Friday, I believe. Oh, I thought it was like not till late November. It's pretty quick. No, yeah. It's October 29th or 30th is the estimated delivery date. It's pretty good. Okay. What color did you get? Stormy black.

Six pro or six? Six. Yeah. Stormy black. I think I might get green. I want to see it in person. I haven't seen the green ones. I might do it anyways.

Michael has it. We were comparing colors at home yesterday. It's two different greens, right? Top, bottom? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's more darker green on the top and more of like a acid green. I like a matte black.

But it's nothing like that iPhone green, right? The iPhone green looks like an army green. Yeah, they're all like olive army, which I really do like. I love that color, yeah. That's like a classy color, but Google is going Google and doing the Google thing. I'll put a case on it either way, so guess i mean yeah really well it doesn't matter then

and if you want magsafe fair yeah i have a great segue um because we were just talking about it's actually too good of a segue to really go smoothly i was gonna say every great segue starts with saying that it's a great yeah it's too good of a segue but i'll explain it so that it's way worse okay so we were just talking about Android versus iPhone and how hard it is to get into one or the other and get across that bridge I've had a couple Bluetooth issues with the Tesla app on Android

haven't had that issue I think at all since I got the iPhone 13 where the phone is your key and it's Bluetooth and it's just proximity to your car so we can talk about Tesla now what a great segue beautiful nailed that and it's Bluetooth and it's just proximity to your car. So we can talk about Tesla now. What a great segue, eh? Beautiful.

Nailed that. All right, so Tesla hit a trillion dollar market cap. That's all I wanted to say. Good God. That's cool. Yeah. Good God. Actually, the reason they hit

a trillion dollar market cap is because of the news that what was it? Hertz bought a hundred thousand Teslas. Hundred thousand. Yeah. Wish I had that in my bank account. So I I mean it makes A hundred thousand Teslas 100,000 yeah which I had in my bank account

so I I mean 100,000 Teslas or 100,000 dollars well the money to buy 100,000 Teslas

Lamborghini account it's a lot no that's it's a big investment for Hertz because they clearly want to offer electric cars

and so now they've bought 100,000 of them and that's the electric car that they've chosen to invest in to offer to people.

So it says a lot about Hertz. It says a lot about Tesla. It says a lot about electric cars. Tesla's market cap skyrockets. Great. I just think like everywhere I go I kind of want

whenever I rent a car I try not to. Whenever I do rent a car I want to get something like similar to what I'm used to. The fact that people are interested in me out there renting Model 3s just casually is pretty cool. Pretty dope.

I would be careful on saying casual, though, because it's not their base. It's like their premium luxury rental. So it's not just like your everyday rental. Most people renting cars, I would say, usually go the cheapest possible route for being able to get around. So it's like compact budget cars. This won't be those. Definitely. Understandably.

But the fact that they've gotten this many of them. There will be more out there. I think the chance that people will be able to drive them more, like be able to test and actually drive one for a few days, which is like way more than just a test drive. I had to use Turo to drive a Model 3 like four years ago. Yes. Four or five years ago.

That's actually a really interesting point. I just had to work for a tech channel and I got to a test drive. I had to use Turo to drive a Model 3 like four years ago. Yes, that's actually a really interesting point. I just had to work for a tech channel and I got to test drive. People will be trying to rent these just to test drive them. I think that will actually be the case. I think people will rent them to try them, see what they like about it. I mean, that's the kiss of death. I test

drove a Tesla for eight minutes and was hooked. So if you rent it for a couple of days, you're going to really want that car, I think. When I test drove my first Tesla, I had not driven in five years and I had to drive around New York City and I thought I was going to die. That is stressful.

Actually, the first time I ever drove a Tesla was a Model S P85 Plus in white. I made a video about it. This was when I was in college. It was in New York and they drove it over to me and I got to drive it around New York City for a couple minutes. I was very interested.

Really liked it. I think I was kind of hooked because I was driving a different car. As I got back, I got out the car and we were like, alright, cool. That was fun. We shot the rest of our video. They were like, you done with it? They were like, yeah. Then the guy got in the car and just punched it and i saw the car just go in new york oh that's cool like no other car does what that guy just did real quick

into the parking garage there and i think that was that was when i was hooked the other cool thing about this hertz thing though is that means there's probably going to be more chargers right there are going to be more chargers they've um it says hertz plans to set up level two in dc fast charging stations in 65 cities by the end of 2022 and more than 100 more by the end of 2023 so like those be only hertz like that i don't know i'm hoping not um it also kind of i mean any more infrastructure is good infrastructure depending on how many they put though you only need to charge the car till full and then charge right before someone rents one I'm sure it'll depend on how they're being used how often they're being used how many

they have versus how many cars they have that are rented out because like if a car is rented for a week they obviously are not gonna have a charger empty for a week yeah this is interesting I'm sure you'll have priority though. There's a bunch of questions that actually just came to my mind about renting an electric car is one. I hope you have one because one I thought was kind of interesting. Oh, well, I was just going to say when you have a car sitting in a parking lot for a couple of days with no one renting it,

it just sits with the gas in the gas tank. Yeah. With electric cars, there is a little bit of phantom drain over time. Yeah. Right. And I'm curious if they're just going to leave those cars

plugged in that whole time or will they have to have somebody go around constantly maintaining all the electric cars and making sure they don't drain?

I would think. I would assume keep it to a certain point which is that point would be like if we get this car rented for tomorrow, we can have it topped off or even if we get this car rented for tomorrow we can have it

topped off or if we even if we get this car rented in the next couple of hours if it's available other than that you just check your schedule and know when a car is going to be rented and can top it off before that um what i thought was kind of interesting and just different for rental is like what is the one thing you dread when you return a rental car the cost for gas exactly yeah so they say right now um they don't have a set standard for what you'll have to do you can return it essentially not at full okay um they can just charge it there yeah they can just charge it there so in the gas station ultimately i hope they keep it like that you always wonder these places are trying to make money the whole gas they'll figure out how to make as much money as possible figure out a way to

charge you if you can't then you kind of have to add a little time now to you returning cars. If you're trying to catch a plane, if you need to charge it, if you need to return at 100. I'm really hoping that's not the case. It seems like a total money grab if it was. I will tell you the first time that I rented a Model 3 on Turo, the guy that I rented it from said, you to return the car at a hundred percent charge and I was like one that's not possible because when I charge it and then drive it back to you yeah and then and then the other thing was that there were no Tesla superchargers in that vicinity so that was the first time I'd ever driven an electric car yeah

so I had like an hour to get it to him I pull in and it's like this is going to take three and a half hours to charge so I ended up returning it's like, this is going to take three and a half hours to charge. So I ended up returning it two hours late. He charged me like a $50 convenience fee. It was just... That is a sneaky guy. Yeah. Well, I hope Hertz isn't run by this sneaky guy.

I mean, these companies tend to do this to make money, but I'm seeing level two. So level two is like what you might have with like a dryer plug or something like that. You can charge like 25, 30 miles an hour. That's just how I measure like how many miles you add to the battery. We're like level one,

plugging into like a trickle charger, three miles an hour tops. So level two is somewhere in the middle. Level three would be like your superchargers on the side of the road. Those are great. So when I see they're setting up a bunch of level two fast chargers,

I think that means they will be for all of their electric cars to at least be able to use, but mostly a bunch of new Teslas. That would also give me the impression that they are wanting to leave them plugged in because if your voltage is, I think your voltage, like your pipe is wider, but you're not pushing as much electricity through it, that's better for your battery. Got it. Yeah, that's the type of charger we have at the studio.

Just level two fast charging. One other thing is, as of right now, up until February, I guess this is rolling out like as we speak, up until February, you'll get free supercharging through the Hertz rental, but they're not sure how they're doing it after that quite yet. So that one that's, that is an awesome reason to get a premium rental. You're spending a little more, but if you can get free supercharging, that's awesome. That's no gas.

After that, then I wonder how does it work? Because like when you're, someone who doesn't own a Tesla, when you're using superchargers, do both of you have free supercharging right now? Or do you pay? I don't have it. I have supercharging credit.

Okay, so when you do it, is it just it knows your car when you go up? So I guess the easiest way we'd do is Hertz would just send you the bill afterwards on charging because it's hooked to their... Oh no, the car knows it has credit. The car itself knows it has credit. Yeah, but I'm saying when you are going to go rent one of these cars now

and you have to pay for charging past if they don't... There's no way they continue to keep free supercharging for the rest of its life. So the car will know it has Tesla supercharging credit, but if you plug into a non-Tesla supercharger, you will have to pay when you're there. How is the rental person going to pay a Tesla supercharger when it's not their car is what I'm saying. So I'm thinking the easiest way would just be

it is hooked up to Hertz. They know how much they're getting charged for that car bill. It's probably hooked up to Hertz. Can you say through February of 2023? 22 it says. So we're talking like four months. They haven't even got the cars yet. Yeah, that's about to expire

I mean that's what the response that I believe I was looking at like an Axios or Axios or car and driver that was the response

they got from Hertz is that up until February 2022 when we launched the cars nice headline Hertz you'll have one day

of doing it I don't even know if Elon can make 100,000 more Model 3s before then the trunks will be falling off. Hey, this isn't the Mach-E.

Well, yeah, that's pretty much all we had. I mean, we also had like a Tesla rolling out and rolling back 10.3. Yeah. I don't have a whole, I still don't have the beta. You're not getting it anytime soon. It sounds like.

That's pretty much it that's kind of all I had to say yeah this continues the trend of having at least one Tesla reference probably on every waveform episode but lots of tech happening it's still techtober like the reviews of all these things coming out pixels out but definitely stay tuned for the

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