Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - A Streamlabs Explainer, Adele Saves Spotify, and Reviewing Every Google Phone!

Episode Date: November 26, 2021

We hope everyone is enjoying the holiday but there's still news to talk about! In this one, Marques and Andrew talk about the newest Oppo teaser and Adele getting Spotify to remove the shuffle button. Then Andrew gives us all an explainer on all the drama that's happening with Streamlabs before reminiscing about old Google phones and discussing the latest video on the MKBHD channel. Links to articles: Verge Adele article: https://bit.ly/32xJAZM What is a Google Phone?!: https://bit.ly/3CR1hQt Link to Streamlabs tweet: https://bit.ly/3FMnKQx EposVox Explainer: https://bit.ly/3FO0l0W Twitters: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/AdamLukas17 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Shop the merch: shop.mkbhd.com Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And I'm Andrew. And today we've got a couple things. We've got Adele fixing Spotify for us. That's a good one. Andrew's going to explain the Streamlabs drama to me. I have heard about it, but I don't know any of the details. So we'll break that down. And we also go into some detail about shooting the latest video,

which was every Google phone review, which is a little different than the every iPhone review video. So we'll talk about those differences, and it was fun. But first, a couple of quick hits. We, so Vin had a little message in the Slack this morning that he said he saw lucid air on the way to the studio today in New Jersey. Yeah, on the turnpike. That fascinated me.

He does drive a Tesla Model 3, so he saved the dash cam clip. It was very heads up of him to do that and so we'll like play it back it's kind of hard to tell in his clip we'll say it's a we allegedly saw it just in case we messed up but it's like not the greatest weather and there's headlights and it's on the other side over a median so it's really hard to tell if it's exactly it but he's pretty sure that's what his eye test confirms it was one of those like bronze colors we keep seeing a bunch of them in. I think that helps.

There's not a ton of those colors out there. Exactly, exactly. We're like, is it a Lincoln or is it just one of those with a bar headlight? But, you know, out to the eye, it looks a little more obvious, but that I found fascinating. It's kind of like a Sasquatch to me right now.

I would love to see one in real life. And of course, I would love to talk to people who own it and have driven it. I was talking to some people on Twitter the other day, somebody who says he's gotten like 480 plus miles of estimated range. That's crazy. Which is pretty good, which is about in line with the ratio you see with a lot of EVs like Tesla.

Yeah, like EPA rating versus. So it'll say like, oh, you have 316 miles, but you really have 290. That's kind of like about where i would expect it which is awesome because you know 10 less is still 480 miles that's over like 150 more than what you're expecting out of most other things up there but um i would love to see kyle connor uh he's been on the show before he's the one who does like the ev cannonball races right i'd love to see the lucid do that. Oh, that would be interesting. I mean, it could, if you plan it perfectly with the Electrified America stops,

which he's had experience with. Which he did with the Taycan beat the Model 3, right? Right. So he's done it on a different network already. So this car is very, very fast. It's got 1,000 horsepower. The version they're shipping right off the bat is very powerful and the longest range. So in theory, yeah, it's pretty well equipped to be great for a road trip.

Yeah. And you'll never get pulled over because a cop will just think it's a Lincoln and they'll be like, there's no chance that's going that fast. Yeah. Or it'll have a literal longer range. Well, not at that speed, but it'll have a longer range than a lot of gas cars. Yeah. I think it could do really well.

I would love to see that. Cool. All right. Well, we'll keep an eye out for it, the Sasquatch of cars. I want to talk about notification lights, though, for a second. Okay. Okay. So I saw on Twitter there is a tweet, a little bit of a teaser,

sharing the back of the upcoming Oppo Reno 7. This is a phone that's not out yet, but it's teased. And the thing they're teasing, I've seen a bunch of cool textures on the back of Oppo phones in the last two years, which I think is nice. Some of my favorite backs on phones have come from Oppo. This is another one. It has kind of a neat, almost sandstone-looking back. But around the camera bump, there is an LED light. there is an led light so if you're if you're listening if you can picture a camera bump which sticks out from the phone the rim around that camera bump is glowing in like a purplish white

yeah now i tweeted this i was like oh that's one of the best uses of a camera bump i've seen immediately polarizing i never know when things are going to be polarizing but this is one of those things where okay on the upside yes it glows when you put your phone face down and you're in a dark enough environment which i think is awesome i actually also picture that i mean this is a render so it might not be this bright but if you flip it over right side up like a lot of people have their phone it could still like send a glow onto the table i would think think so. It's on. That would be cool. A lot of other people are like, this is pointless.

This is dumb. Why people even have notification lights? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I despise those people.

If you are listening, change your mind. I still want you to listen, but change your mind. Notification lights used to be on like every phone. It would, I would, I remember an era distinctly where I would mention in every review where they put the notification.

I remember the Nexus One, we were just working on this video, had it in the trackball. The trackball glowed. That was sick. Yeah. They started shrinking them. I think my Eris had that as well. Yep. They shrink them a lot.

They eventually were like up in the corner of the phone or down at the bottom. They just put like a little notification dot in the front. Then they moved to the corner. And then now a lot of phones don't have them. Sony phones have them. That's almost about all I can remember. Sometimes I know people who download apps that turn their iPhones flash into a notification.

That's really bright. It's really bright. It's super nice. I feel like that could go off at the wrong, or like in the middle when you're sleeping and it just like lights up the room. Yeah yeah or even just it looks like you took a picture of somebody when you didn't that would be really bad yeah um i miss my my node 8 still might be just like one of my favorite phones i've ever had just for so many different reasons but

the notification icon or led on that was just so good like where was it on that it was top left but like the screen was like, it had the nice waterfall screen. The screen always looked nice. You never really knew the LED was there until blue for notifications, or no, green for messages, blue for Twitter notifications, I think,

and then yellow for Snapchat. It had a bunch of different colors. I always could tell what. I always knew if a yellow one came in, I didn't really care about it that much because it was Snapchat. Green for WhatsApp. You could always have always have an app too to customize what color the notification would be for certain so nice I don't get how that's still not a thing

it's so easy so like they're kind of dying except for a couple phones like what sony does red for low battery green for fully charged uh so I thought this was like cool this is like a neat thing you don't have to use it all the time but it's like a nice way to take advantage of leaning into having a huge camera bump when they all look the same exactly so i was into it i i was giving it a shout out i hope that is as bright as it looks in the render it's dangerous to assume that because it is a render and the phone's not out yet but we'll see maybe we'll get hands on the reno 7 the only thing i can see if you have a case on you probably won't oh right that was the other you'll have to i mean if you have a clear case which I don't like clear cases very much you'd have to I'm sure it will come with a clear case I feel like a lot of those oppo phones do come with one

but yeah if you have a case you can't really see it um yeah that was the other comment other than that I love it though I think it's so cool I don't get why anyone would be against it yeah unless it costs like a million dollars there's's no, yeah, I, I highly doubt it. Super into it. Yeah. Uh, we have one more quick story I just wanted to mention cause I thought it was

kind of funny. Um, I have it listed as Adele saves us from Spotify. Um, you may have just seen like a couple of headlines about Adele. Please explain. Yeah. So there's like all these headlines,

Adele gets Spotify to remove the shuffle button from her albums or like Spotify hide shuffle button on Adele albums per her request. Pretty much what happened is if you've noticed when you go to an album on Spotify and you click play, it automatically shuffles it. That big button on the top shuffles albums. Adele pretty much was like, hey, we are artists. shuffles albums right adele pretty much was like hey we are artists we spend so much time putting these songs in like the correct order to us and ordering them up i don't really want it to be shuffled as the default she didn't take away the shuffle option you can still shuffle her albums and everything but the default now for her albums just play through the album like normal yeah that

makes sense. Exactly. There are so many people really mad about this. I guess they thought she got the shuffle button removed from her albums. No, she saved us. We stan. That's one of those features that seems like it should have obviously been available. Exactly. Especially from the artist's side. Most of my favorite albums are chronological.

You just go from top to bottom. Ram, The Incredible True Story. Incredible True Story, yeah. Even like Graduation, a lot of Kanye's albums. So yeah, allowing the artist to default to shuffle or to default to play straight through makes sense. I just think it should always default to not shuffle. It should probably always go straight through.

I don't get how that, yeah. Yeah. Cool, thanks Adele. We appreciate it. So she got it removed on her albums, but it's not available for other people? I thought it was, but it looks like Adam's doing some research over there and he's got an update. Yeah. So according to this article from The Verge, Chris Makowski, the head of music communications at Spotify, confirmed the presence of the new feature to The Verge.

at Spotify, confirmed the presence of the new feature to The Verge. Quote, as Adele mentioned, we are excited to share that we have begun rolling out a new premium feature that has been long requested by both users and artists to make play the default button on all albums. End quote. So only Spotify? Or only premium? All albums, but only for premium users. So if you're not a premium user, you get the B-tier Adele album experience, which is out of order.

Last song first for song last. Adele hates you for not having Spotify premium. So Adele saves Spotify for all of us premium users. Yeah, I guess. Appreciate that. Isn't it if you're not a premium user, you can't even pick the songs? You just pick the playlist and it auto-shuffles it?

Yeah, I actually didn't. I can't speak for non-premium spotify use i've paid for this for a long time but i have heard some weird quirks about like asking for a specific song on spotify non-premium and just not being able to listen to it in order like i don't know i've i highly recommend paying for spotify premium which probably leans right into their exactly what they want it's because they nuke the non-premium version but it's great it's every song i don't use apple music or title or any other service at this point you're right and i agree with you as well i just think buy it um yeah it's such an easy five dollars but yeah, whatever. I'm not going to tell you what to do with your money.

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about something called Streamlabs and a lot of really big names that I'm sure you know of tweeting about it. It's been floating around my timeline. I haven't looked into it too much. I've heard you've read into it more. I've read into it. I kind of knew the general timeline of what happened

because I used to stream a little bit just for fun every once in a while. And I, so I got really into learning how to set up streams and everything. I've set up streams for the channel here. Um, I think it's a really fun platform. I think streaming in general is super entertaining. Um, and I love a lot of the streaming community. They're very similar to YouTube. Yeah. We've done a few live streams. We've pretty much always used a piece of software called OBS to run the live stream. It's how you can switch between cameras, direct your audio sources, plug into whatever bit rate you want and go live. Yep. Streamlabs is a company that makes

that software. No, no. And that's kind of you. I mean, I'll go back into the history a little bit, but just like, remember that you said that because that will have, we will get into that later. Okay. Okay. If you don't mind me going into a little brief history here, like you said, there's a company called or a program called OBS. It's called Open Broadcast Software. Essentially, it's an open source platform that, like you said, very simple to take what's on your screen, maybe what's on your webcam, a couple other things, and be able to broadcast that with a Twitch key or a YouTube key to broadcast to those live streaming platforms yeah now i'm with you yeah super simple um the program itself maybe isn't the most simple but um it's not pretty but

it gets you get to learn it pretty well um and then so in the streaming community unlike youtube there is kind of like adsense but one of the the main ways that people make profit on when they're live streaming is through Twitch donations or Twitch subscriptions. And kind of a way when people are live streaming to make that a little more interactive and a little more for the community is they have these like Twitch alerts. they have these like Twitch alerts. So pretty much if I were streaming something and you donated to me up on my screen would pop Marquez donated X amount of money. And I would probably be like, Oh cool. Marquez,

thanks for watching. Thanks for the 10 bucks or whatever. Um, that's not built into, that is not built into OBS and used to be, there was a standalone website called Twitch alerts. And essentially what it would do is you would connect your stream, you connect your PayPal,

everything that could see if somebody was donating or subscribing, and essentially pop out a window with a green background. And then you could customize the alert that would come up. So I think like the default one's like the Mario star, and it says Marques has subscribed. Cool. And then through OBS, you would select that window, chroma key out the green,

and now you could place that anywhere on your stream to pop up whenever it happens. It's all automated. You don't have to worry about it. You'll get a little notification sound and you can tell you got subscribed to, right? Cool. So that was in like 2015-ish, Twitch Alerts. Come 2018, I believe it was,

Twitch Alerts decided to rebrand to a company called Streamlabs. And now Streamlabs is the company we're talking about a lot. They decided to create their own open broadcast software or their own streaming software, I should call it. And they called it Streamlabs OBS. So essentially what this was now is very, very similar to OBS, which is open source.

Everyone knows it. They called it a fork software. So you're taking the original code from OBS, starting your own, and they're adding a couple little features. Like now they have those alerts and everything built in. They have like some default templates. They have a couple of things that they're trying to make it more user-friendly and that's how they marketed like crazy. Like this is more user-friendly. There's all these customizable things you can do. You can hop on, you can stream instantly. It's really, really good for new people who are getting into streaming. In 2018, everyone wants to stream.

Yeah, there was definitely a bit of a streaming wave that happened. For sure. I think a lot during the pandemic, a lot more people started watching streams and started plugging in, which was obviously a little bit after 2018, but now obviously a lot more people stream than ever. Maybe this was around Ninja's peak. Maybe. Somewhere around Ninja's peak. Maybe. I mean, Fortnite, you're seeing younger people starting to stream

because younger people are getting better at all these games in there. And I always think it's fun because I love having anybody trying to create something. Streaming is a whole other platform of creation. It's usually pretty easy to do. So I guess my just quick clarifying question is, this version of the fork software was done with obs's permission obs made this open broadcast software correct then stream labs this new rebranded company comes along and says hey we'd like to make another version of obs

we're going to use your code and we're going to call it obs also is that what happened kind of i can skip it i'll skip ahead a little bit here. So like they're legally allowed to use this software. It's, it's open source and everything. Cool. Now here's the issue. And one of the things we've seen recently, so I'll touch on it quickly to answer your question and then go into it later when, um, kind of everything starts to, uh, fall apart. Okay. They reached out to OBS and said, hey, is it okay if we use the word OBS in our new naming scheme, Streamlabs OBS?

OBS asked them, please don't. And then they did anyways. So they come out with Streamlabs OBS. It's a little easier for people to use, a little more user-friendly. It starts getting really big and everything. Everything's going good. I guess OBS never really said anything about it publicly.

Remember, OBS is not a for-profit company. There are a bunch of developers creating a software together as just a passion project. I don't know the deep, deep down into it, but it's definitely not something that's hyper-focused on monetization, which what we start seeing Streamlabs OBS become. They're offering all these like premium subscription services.

They're offering all these different customizable scenes you can buy straight off them. Like they're hyper-focused on making money off of this to the point where Logitech eventually buys them and starts, I mean, obviously buys them out and is now a point where Logitech eventually buys them and starts, I mean, obviously buys them out and is now a part of Logitech. Okay. They launch, they start making all these different programs.

They have one that can help you take Twitch clips and turn them into like correctly formatted for TikTok or Reels and stuff like that. They started making a stream deck for your phone. They start doing all these kind of different things. Oh, Streamlabs makes the Stream Deck that helps you live switch between things. Yes and no. Oh, God. So I'm finally getting to the good part here.

Kind of like fast forward to right now. Streamlabs announces that they're coming out with a new program called stream lab studio which is essentially cloud-based streaming platforms so you can stream from your console without having to do a fancy capture card or all these different things so you don't have to plug your xbox into your computer essentially you can stream straight from your xbox and it's going to go to twitch and i believe you use your phone to kind of customize some of the stuff in it. Really, really cool. Yeah. The problem is, is there's another program called that, which is that itself isn't the problem. You can have similar programs to each other. Um, but this program's

called Lightstream and they've been doing this cloud-based streaming for a while. And I have a link in the document. Actually, I'm going to have you click and it is a tweet from light stream about stream labs is new stream lab studio and I just want you to take a look at it really quickly and tell me what you're seeing hey can I copy your homework yeah just change it up a bit so it's not obviously copy it bet alright so on the left is the landing page for light stream and on the right is the landing page for stream lab studio if you want to just look at it quickly, maybe describe it.

So they didn't copy the name, but it looks like they copied point for point all of the same features and sort of explained it the same way. I mean, I'm on the blown up image and it's like, on the left,

here's how you level up your Xbox and PlayStation streams. And then I look at Streamlabs Studio and at the top it says, here's how you level up your console streams. You go down, it says, how does it work? You go down to the Streamlabs, how does it work? And point for point, cloud capture for console streams, cloud capture for console streams, full layout and design control. Full layout and design control. So whoever built this entire landing page for Streamlabs was clearly at least inspired by... I'm going to say they copied. I'm going to say they copied the Lightstream page.

Do me one favor. At the bottom, read the user reviews on both sides. Oh, boy. So Lightstream is literally one of the greatest things I've ever discovered. Thank you so much for making it easy. Just since so. Love this platform. Love how they listen to their community. Paris Storm.

Now on the other, Streamlabs Studio is literally one of the greatest things I've ever discovered. Thank you so much for making it easy. Love this platform. Love how I listen to their community. It's the perfect platform for console streaming. It's word for word. Everything on both of these pages is word for word. Okay, so up until seeing that,

I was like, this could just be an innocent, like, we have all the same features. I'll just paraphrase your exact layout and describe all of our features. But it's literally, it's word for word. The only thing they changed are the software program images which is obviously if stream labs posted pictures of light stream that would be a huge issue

um so this is kind of where all the dominoes start falling now so after they tweet that um if you look in the comment replies it's basically like here's elgato just write know that feel and then wrote uh showed an article called control your live stream from your phone with stream lab stream deck remember when you just asked if they're the ones who make stream elgato makes stream deck and has made a mobile version from your phone all right so same thing now there's an app called combo which um lets supercharge growth of your Twitch channel with automated TikTok clips. Does that sound familiar? Yep. We mentioned that before. Streamlabs created something called CrossClip, which is the

exact same thing. Wow. And then so what finally comes forward is we eventually see OBS tweeting out their kind of response to all this because they've been pretty silent with all of this happening. OBS, like, in the past couple years, hasn't really said much about this. But, you know, now it kind of comes out that everyone's, you know, you know the meme, I made this? No, I made this meme?

Yeah, this is, like, this is that. So OBS comes out with a couple tweets that kind of went all around Twitter. So if you saw anything, this is probably one of the things that really, really set it off. I'm just going to read off a quote here. Near the launch of Streamlabs,

OBS Streamlabs reached out to us about using the OBS name. We kindly asked them not to. They did so anyways and followed up with filing a trademark. We've tried to sort this out in private, and they've been uncooperative at every turn. We're often faced with confused users and even companies who do not understand the difference between the two apps.

So not only are they having users who are confused whether Streamlabs OBS and OBS are partnered, but they're even getting support tickets from things that Streamlabs OBS are messing up and asking OBS devs for refunds and how to fix things. And now these non-profit basically volunteers or whatever at OBS devs for refunds and how to fix things. And now these nonprofit basically volunteers or whatever at OBS, the developers are getting completely spammed with all these different issues that Streamlabs OBS is having. And I guess my first thought on this was when I read it, I immediately thought these were the same thing.

I thought Streamlabs OBS was like this new, more, I thought it was their like monetized version of OBS. Like, you know, I've said it's hyper focused on being monetized and a lot of people describe it like that. And I kind of just thought I was a moron. And they look very similar. I mean, the name OBS is just so well known. That's the thing.

The name is so well known. In um that's the thing the name is so well known and they that in that case they literally use the same name so like i when i'm first hearing their you know they're building a more monetized version of the same thing at first when they make these features like easier to use it's like oh this is a good thing they're like enabling more people to be a creator which i'm in I'm in favor of democratizing the process. And if you can make a version of OBS that's more user-friendly and allows you to plug these things in and have a better stream, you've made a great product. Then the malicious part comes in where you name it the same thing, market it the same way, and ultimately start taking the customers of those same companies.

Yeah. And then you keep doing it in other parts of streaming to various degrees of maliciousness. Mm-hmm. Not a great look. But also, to me, I'm not a lawyer, but it kind of seems like the perfect beginning of just suing this company. I don't know if they're big enough to have that type of resources to do that. I don't know much about that. In one of OBS's statements, they said that the stuff with the

name they did legally, but it just feels super unethical because of the fact that they reached out, asked permission, didn't get permission, and then did it anyways. I just picture you reading this to a judge. So it's like, okay, so you had the company, it was called OBS. Yes. Okay. And then what happened? Then this company reached out and asked if they could use our name. And then what happened? Then we said, no. Then what happened? Then they did it anyway. Then what happened? Then they started taking our customers because of all the confusion between the two products and the obvious infringement. Yeah, that's a pretty bad look. It's a pretty bad look it's a really bad look i think and um just to like to prove that i'm not the total idiot here thinking that these are the same things some of the like

biggest streamers on twitch also were like wait what this is not the same thing um ammunition hasan pokeman pokeman a lot of these some of these are partnered. Like Pokemon has her face on the, their webpage being used because she's partnered with them and she thought it was also part of OBS originally. Um, so now you're seeing a bunch of them coming out saying they don't want to be supported or don't want to support Streamlabs OBS anymore. There's a lot of really great, um, support and everything coming out for the original OBS. I'm glad they're finally getting their name out there. And then all these like Lightstream and everything, lots of support there.

There's even proof that Streamlabs OBS was paying for targeted ads if you typed in OBS Studio to come up on. I have a picture of it in here. That's so much. There's a lot of really shady stuff going on with Streamlabs OBS. There was a line somewhere in there where you could argue innocence. Up to the point of we built these creator tools that are a little bit better and a little bit more targeted. Somewhere way, way beyond that line is we paid for targeted ads so that when people search for your product, they find ours.

That's obvious. They cross the line and spit on it on their way past. But yeah, there's, I mean, like, even more and more stuff's coming out, and I highly suggest there's a YouTube channel called EposVox, E-P-O-S-V-O-X, that has a

bunch of really good... Explainers? Yes. Okay. He has a bunch of really good explainers on all of this. We'll link it in the show notes. I highly suggest suggest watching it because he does a whole channel on like creating a streaming environment and being able to stream for yourself so he's been in this for a really long time highly suggested but if you've been seeing all this stuff popping up on twitter hopefully this is a little tldr i i don't think i got too into the weeds for it because there is more but at the same time i feel like I got a little too far.

Yeah, I've learned a lot about this. This kind of reminds me of a conversation I had a while ago. I think YouTube connected me to – it was like the head of one of the biggest advertising companies in the world. And they're kind of doing everything right, but they wanted advice straight from a creator about the donations they were making and the money they were spending on the products and I kind of didn't really have any good advice for him

but one of the things they wanted to know was how to better get themselves into the creator community and the really engaged fans and I said keeping it as organic as possible and not really like spamming people and telling everyone about how great of a thing you're doing, but really just making the good thing and then just letting people discover how good it is

kind of works better every time. For sure. And this whole story sounds kind of like the opposite of that where if you're going to start doing all these like somewhat shady things crossing way over the line of being like malicious. Yeah. When people find out about

all the stuff you've been doing it's going to be way way worse than if you were up front about it at the beginning. For sure. And they were I think very clearly trying not to be found out they pick they pick their battles i mean they pick their battles battles well on their ends by they were

people have known about this for a long time but the thing is unless you're in that super niche category it's probably not going to make it out and then what happens is eventually when this hits the the main streamers and everyone using the broadcast who have those big audiences, when this does get out about that and everything's listed in basically a single Twitter thread of like 10 different companies coming out being like, yeah, these guys suck to work with and they stole our stuff, it's all going to come and bite you.

Was that Streamlabs site still live at the same time? They took it down. They claimed it was a placeholder, but even as a placeholder, it feels like a really scummy thing like you use lorem ipsum or whatever if you have a placeholder you don't copy word for word their user ratings on the bottom i have a story i can i'm going to paraphrase and take out the name so that i don't call anybody out about placeholders but uh out about placeholders but uh a while ago a certain tech review company published a review of a device with my b-roll footage over the top of their narration and immediately all the comments were like why like they recognize the shots and the the hand and they're like why

are these sometimes you see a shot by the way some of you guys send me on twitter like a black hand holding something it's not always my hand like it's not always me you don't have to send it to me but these are very clearly my clips and so like all the comments are like sending it to me and tagging me and they're like why are you you using Marquesas footage? And then, you know, a couple hours later, it gets privated and I got a nice message saying, oh, sorry about that. We actually sometimes use clips from your reviews as placeholders as like inspiration for our editors to go shoot stuff later.

Somehow as an accident, this one got posted, our bad. I've never heard of that sort of a policy before i couldn't believe it was real but i don't know about stream labs saying oh this was just a public placeholder for a while like we were going to take it down eventually no that's just yours yours seems way less malicious it's just clearly like no no it's way less it's not like they were trying to steal my viewership no no no i appreciate and i appreciate how honest they were with you that was actually that this is this is clearly malicious um and yeah and came and bit them in the butt i'm glad it did yeah i'm glad

it did too yeah so next time i get a uh stream deck or any sort of streaming software i want to get it from the right place this is good good. Good to be on the right side of it. For sure. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back and we'll talk about making the review of every Google phone. With Uber Reserve, good things come to those who plan ahead family vacay reserve your ride as soon as you book your flights to all the planners now you can reserve your uber ride up to 90 days in

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Yeah, a lot of them. A lot of them. So as a background, we had the fun idea of reviewing every single iphone that's ever come out from 1 through 13 yeah it's more than you think it's more than just 13 phones there is the the first iphone then the 3g 3gs 4 4s but then you have 5 5s 6 7 8 there's 8 plus if you wanted to. If you wanted to do that, then there's the X, and then there's the XS, but then there's the XS Max and the XR also,

and the SE, and then the second Gen S. So there's a bunch of little hits in there. It ended up being a pretty big video, but underrated was how easy it was to get hands-on all of these previous year's iPhones and get them up and running on various versions of older software. Some of them were on launch software. Some of them were like a couple updates in.

But we got them all and we got them all working. And that was a pleasure. I asked in that video, what other line of phones should I retrospective look over? A lot of them have interesting stories. It could have been the Samsung Galaxy S series from s1 through s22 next year could have been i don't know you could look at one plus one through one plus whatever nine we're at now one plus nine pro but ultimately we landed on every google phone which is i guess starting with the g1 we go a little before the g1 when you see this video we have the prototypes in there but we got our hands on the G1, we go a little before the G1.

When you see this video, we have the prototypes in there, but we got our hands on the G1, and then you go Nexus 1 through Nexus 5, Nexus 6, and then the Nexus 7 was a tablet, so 1 through 6P, and then it switched to Pixel, Pixel 1 through Pixel 6. So all the Nexuses, all the all the pixels and this process was much more difficult far more difficult much more difficult so number one uh when you buy a phone uh a little

part in the back of your head is like in three or four years am i going to be able to sell this and that might not be a thought iPhone users have because they're notoriously really good at holding their value. You can kind of always buy any year of iPhone in the past like five years. And that means you can kind of always sell any year of iPhone within like five years. So we had no problem getting them.

They were more expensive, but because they resell so well. It was clearly more expensive to buy the Apple phones. And the condition of all the iPhones was very, I'll say, stable. Like, the worst thing about any of them was, I think, the 3GS, the screen glue, had cracked a lot. And so, eventually, if I wanted to, I could have ripped the screen off, but I didn't. And so, the home button, that whole carriage was a little loose on that phone. What the green one the five the green one was the mint five c five c five c right okay that one was a little messed up because the like material was a bit different there it clearly had a case on it that yeah um so like some of the green was off colored from the other green but

same thing actually happened with the 6s plus. That was the rose gold one, right? It was a silver one. Oh, it was silver. Sorry, the 6 Plus. One of the silver larger phones where you could tell there was an Otterbox case on it because there was like a circle of darker silver where it had been exposed for the Apple logo cutout. Well, yeah, because they all used to have the circle on the back. Yeah, the rest of the phone was pristine.

Bigger variety with the Google phones. So we've got, again, we got like a couple of each one. I think we have two different G1s in here now. We have a Nexus one. I don't know. What do you want to start with? You had the most struggles before. I was getting them all ready to make sure we had all of them.

So first of all, I dug through the drawer, and we actually had way more than I was expecting. So we like to keep phones around generally for one or two generations, just in case we have to reference the previous generation. But if something's super nostalgic, we'll keep it. Yeah. So I've cleaned up that phone drawer a bunch of times, and there's actually a lot of Google phones we've saved

just because of kind of how ridiculous they are or how nostalgic they are. And you being somebody who's mained your Android for so long, like you probably have a little more of a connection to Google phones. So we had quite a few when I was going through all of them. Two of the ones we had had boot looping issues. So that's always fun. Two of the ones we had had boot looping issues. So that's always fun.

Two of the ones we had had boot looping issues. So that's always fun two of the ones we had had boot looping issues so that's always fun but kind of expected so i think it was a nexus 6 and a 5 5x right 5x i think was the one yeah the one with the center camera yeah so we had two of those boot loop couldn't get them to work i honestly didn't try that hard because i just expected that to happen and once they boot loop it's kind of over. Like I read about, we were doing all this research also for the videos and we're like, oh right, the LG Nexus's did have boot looping issues,

but I never had any with mine. And then we take it out the draw and turn it on and it's like, all right, time to boot loop. All right, there it is. So I went through, I ordered everything. We needed a couple of pixels. We got the pixel one in blue, which is like it's hot i remember take we were taking it out of the box and we were like this is kind of wild but you know it actually

looks a bit better and then we flipped it over like why are the bezels white this looks ridiculous the best buy phone that blue and white yeah right it was kind of kind of bad but then i think the weirdest one we got was the nexus 4 because as soon as I took it out of the box, it was like sticky. Yeah. It has like these rubberized sides that... I was trying to figure this one out. So Nexus 4 was right around the time of like iPhone 6 or 5 where there was antenna gate issues.

And Apple started giving out for free these adhesive bumper cases where you didn't cover the front of the back of the phone but it was a bumper that would just go around the sides of

the rail and so you put that on the phone and if you left it on for long enough it would just kind of like become part of the phone but if you ever rip it off all that adhesive would stay like

on the phone because it wasn't very high quality glue and I wonder if there were so many of those types of cases out in the wild that android manufacturers were also inspired to offer bumper cases and a lot of nexus 4s ended up in bumpers but i'm not sure if that explains how much glue was on right it was like really so i think i put it in my pocket one of the days i was trying to i mean spoiler alert it also had bootlooping issue on one that we bought. I spent probably four days on like, it felt like I was living in my twenties again.

Cause I was on these like Android forums from posts eight years ago. If anyone, if you saw my tweet over last week, it was me in the middle of frustration trying to get this thing to not bootloop. Cause we really wanted to shoot this. This video probably would have been done last week if that phone would just turn on um but i do think you might be right about the bumper case because the back of this phone is very different also it's it almost in itself is like a different material that feels not as breakable so the bumper case would work perfect right the back The back of the Nexus 4 was glass.

It didn't have wireless charging. It did have a speaker slot on the back, but it was like this kind of a shimmery glass from different angles. It had like a pattern on it. Yeah, the square pattern. It was kind of one of the most interesting looking glass Nexuses, I think.

So that was pretty cool. It's definitely interesting looking. We're clearly not the only one with that sticky issue. I have a picture in the dock here. This was the next phone we were about to buy when we had the boot looping issues. And it was a Nexus 4. What happened?

That looks like it got put in the microwave or something. It is disgusting. Yeah, that can't be bumpers. That's just a weird material. So it was rubberized. It's rubberized. I still think you might be right about bumpers and maybe just those rubbers deteriorating

and those bumpers may have just this rubber is deteriorating and those bumpers may have helped increase the deterioration of it. Um, but we did finally get one. I got to the point where I was a little too worried to order online, wait like four days only to have it come in and boot loop. So I somehow found one on Facebook marketplace two hours away last Friday. We're recording on Monday right now. Cause we're, it's Thanksgiving weekend and we're recording a little ahead. So I drove two hours. It took me two hours to get back home.

So this is like a four-hour commute. Picked it up from this guy. Awesome. Jose, shout out. It was, I made, I like, this poor guy probably thought I was a lunatic. He, I was like, can you please charge it to make sure it's working?

Like everything's working right. It boots, it goes into it. He even set it up with like no account so that I could look at it before I gave him the money, show it, show it all working. And it worked. And over the last three days, I have basically been acting like this thing is, uh, you know, and like when school, they give you a bag of flour and it's your baby and you have to make sure it doesn't die.

Like I've been, it's life support on this thing because i'm so scared if it dies before we record this video it's going to boot loop yeah so it was kind of scary how how consistent the lg nexus is it was the lg nexus 4 lg nexus 5x was it all and that's i think that you said the six also boot looped that was the regular six so ne Nexus 6 was the big Shamu Motorola phone. That one, I think, did it in a kind of different way. Rather than the boot animation, it went into the optimizing apps thing and did that for three hours and then killed itself. Not as good.

Yeah, I'll still call that boot looping. Maybe it's technically a different term. But yeah, I really felt like I was back in my old days of like rooting phones i had nexus toolkit open trying to fix this thing times yeah it's been it's been a lot trying to get this working but we finally have everything ready we've shot a really cool intro for it it's fun been looking back at all these phones it's also like you said lg hcc motorola has made all these different ones so when you look down the iphone list they all look kind of the same. When you look down this, they're wildly different.

It seemed like Google had like a two-year contract or something that they would go into every negotiation with where it's like, can you do Nexus this year? All right, two-year contract? Cool, great. And then they would just do two years and the next one would go, we don't want to do it anymore. All right, do you want to do Nexus this year?

And they go, they did, let's see, Huawei, HTC, Motorola, LG. Oh yeah, Huawei too, yeah. All over the map. And so yeah, it doesn't look very uniform. Samsung was the like, yeah. Exactly, Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus. Everyone's dipped their toes in the Nexus line.

Everyone's gotten on board. And that was the other funny thing. So I was thinking about about my question would be and it's a different answer for iphone or google phone but how old of a phone in this lineup could you go back to and still be fine and i think with the iphone for me i could go back to the iphone six plus yeah as long as I don't bend it. I know people who are still on 6s. Yeah, my parents are on 7s actually.

And with the Google phone, I was thinking like, I love the Nexus One, but I don't think I could use it every day. I really like that phone, but I don't think I could use it daily. We're way too far away from that yet. Yeah, so I was looking back. I think I could go back to the 6P.

Yeah. The Huawei metal bodied phone. I love it. Pretty good battery life, like decent camera. I remember specifically shooting that review in a breather space in New York City, like so pumped about this phone. I had the white one, so it's kind of a panda one

also before the real panda phones um how back how far back could you go do you think daily i mean if we're talking about google phones i didn't have one until pixel 3 so i don't recall these as much i do recall though wanting the six piece so bad yeah but i was on like a family plan on verizon and i couldn't do it but i had like i'm a moron didn't see if it was available got super into like doing a bunch of research on it I loved it I wanted I already designed my do you remember the custom cases you could make

for them that had the customizable button on the back made one of those with this like Calvin and Hobbes picture my cousin drew of me and Mac and I like put it on the case I had the whole thing ready and then I went to buy it and there wasn't a Verizon option. And I was like,

yeah. Yeah. My that's, that's my Verizon, uh, my carrier story, which is like in the beginning of when I got really into phones, I was on my family Verizon plan or whatever.

And yeah, these phones don't come out for Verizon basically. So the first iPhone comes out, it's a singular exclusive. Great, nobody has it. I think one kid in my class had it. I forgot about that. It was singular first and then AT&T, right?

Then AT&T. So yeah, so I couldn't get most of the early iPhones. I think they finally made a Verizon iPhone 5 or 5S or something and I started to get on board and check them out. But the only phone that I've ever waited in line for, like I stood outside of a store in the cold behind several people to wait in line in Hoboken was for the Verizon Samsung Galaxy Nexus.

Weirdly, that phone had a lot of hype. There was like actual like real energy. I think I was maybe like seventh or eighth in line. And it was a weird experience. I've never waited for an iPhone. People love like waiting in line for iPhones. It's a whole thing. They'll camp out there with a whole bunch of other fellow enthusiasts. It's a whole, it's a vibe. I get it. I'm not going to be out there, but you were a nerd in that. I get it. Exactly. So yeah, this was the Verizon store. Like this wasn't the Google store. We're all hyped for that. This is

the Verizon store. We're all dreading going inside, but we all want the phone. So yeah, I remember that pretty clearly. I missed, I missed class for it, but I got my phone and, uh, it was a good time. It was definitely worth it, but that's kind of awesome. That was one of the fun ones. That's, um, yeah, I've never waited for a phone. I can say that. I kind of wish I used more. I think I could use the six P now. Good. It's similar size to everything. I still think the pixel six 6P now. It's similar size to everything. It is. I still think the Pixel 6 should have just bumped the camera,

whatever bumper we're calling it now, like up to be kind of like a 6P. I've been saying that for a while. Move the bar to the top? Yeah, like I think they should redo the 6P because it didn't have any camera wobble when it was on the table because it was just kind of this wedge shape.

And then this Pixel 6 is kind of similar, bigger, but if they just pop that up on the top and made it flush it would have been exactly what i've been asking for for a while i think it might be an internals i don't care i'm not talking logically i'm talking what i want yeah just bend the rules of physics yep create what i'm asking for and then no one gets hurt. It's not a threat. It might also be called Nexus 6P because the silhouette was shaped like a P. If that's not the real reason it is now, we are putting that into the history books.

In my review, I said it was for premium, but I'm saying it was because of the silhouette. Changing it? Yeah. All right. Revisionist history. Yeah, I liked it though. I think, weirdly enough,

the 5X was one of the best looking phones when we were doing our robot shot, which like, since it comes from top to bottom, the way the light hit everything would glare over it and kind of change how every phone looked. And despite the 5X looking pretty basic, for whatever reason in that shot, I think it was the coolest looking phone out of all of them.

Yeah, that was good. And I do also miss all the black. some reason google and black and white phones just look really good that's the panda the stormtrooper the panda or whatever else you want to call it i think i say this in the video pixel 2 was the peak so good orange power button the power button that hot power button really big fan of that and then it sort of just got more generic after that as it went on it really did unfortunate why i don't even get why you would put orange on black and white but it worked so well and it was just like universally loved yeah yeah i think that was memorable one of the other weird things when you get the phone

back in hand is you sort of remember how small they were. I still think that the Nexus One was a really nice form factor, but right after that, they started curving the screen on the phones. Did you know that? Not until we got them all in hand. I think there's two Nexuses in a row. Galaxy Nexus and Nexus S both had a curved screen

from top to bottom. There's a couple other phones I reviewed that also had curved screens, and I think it was something about holding up to your face or like, your thumb can reach more or something. I don't know if it's really like that true, but they stopped curving it very shortly after that. But that was a little Samsung curved screen thing for a little while.

I don't know if there was any merit to that. I'm not sure. I don't think there was or else they'd still be doing it. That's true. But yeah, the whole thing was super interesting. I still think the craziest part is we should have gotten a shot of it. Maybe we still can.

If you just line up iPhones start to finish, it just really looks like an actual progressive path. And when you line up the Google phones from start to finish, it just looks like we found 15 random phones and threw them in a pile. One of them looks like a family portrait, and the other one looks like an extended family portrait. Third cousins. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And the neighbors came over. Yeah, it's all kinds of stuff, shapes in there. But it's a good time. Definitely watch that video. I tried to turn it a little more story-based. I can review all the phones, obviously, I tried to turn it a little more story based. Like I can,

I can review all the phones obviously. And that, that exercise gets a little bit, a little bit much after that many phones. So stringing together like the story of what is a Google phone anyway, like we had Google Play edition. We had like the juxtaposition of the Google phone and then the same phone from the manufacturer that it was based on at the same time. And so eventually all coalescing into what we have now,

which is Pixel 6 designed by Google, made by Google, chipped by Google, software by Google, I think was fun to portray in one huge video. Yeah, for sure. So if it's out by the time you listen, it should be. Should be. Should be.

So check that out. Something's gone wrong if it's not. I really hope it is. Check that video out. It should be a good one. But other than that, pretty chill week. I hope everybody's having a good holiday week. Yeah.

And everyone should definitely follow the studio channel, the main channel, the podcast, because we have all our end of year stuff coming up in December. And not only are you going to get the videos you all love every year, but now you're going to have behind the scenes stuff with it as well. I'm really excited to kind of show off how we do everything. This is a fun one. Yeah, for sure. All right.

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