Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - AI Search Wars Have Begun and OnePlus 11 is Here!

Episode Date: February 10, 2023

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David talk about the new OnePlus 11 phone that just came out! After that, the rest of the episode is dedicated to the beginning of the AI Wars! Links: Tik Tok heating button: https://bit.ly/TikTokHeat OnePlus 11 review: https://bit.ly/OnePlus11Review Microsoft New Bing + Edge: https://bit.ly/NewBingEdge Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Shop products mentioned: OnePlus 11: https://geni.us/m5s6r3 Galaxy S23 Ultra: https://geni.us/Tl7QD Apple Watch Ultra: https://geni.us/kP0VL Twitters: Waveform: https://twitter.com/wvfrm Marques: https://twitter.com/mkbhd Andrew: https://twitter.com/andymanganelli David: https://twitter.com/DurvidImel Adam: https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And I'm David. And this week, we've got a bunch of stuff actually. We're back to having real smartphone releases in February, which is good. It's somehow already February and only February. I feel like this is a sort of a time warp at the beginning of the year, but here we are. We also have our super secret, but also not so secret viral button to discuss. We want to talk about that a little bit. But first, I did want to ask if you guys saw Mr. Beast's video of curing blindness in a

thousand people. Did you guys see that video? I did not. I did not to ask if you guys saw MrBeast's video of curing blindness in a thousand people. Did you guys see that video? I did not. I did not watch it. However, if you go on the YouTube app on any computer, it is the first one that has served to every single person on the planet. He was making this whole big deal about how he's changing up the pace in a video finally. Like we all know what he does with his videos, which is like, I took a thousand this and did this. And this one was a little bit more along the lines of like,

there's a real message and a real interesting thing he did. So the title and thumbnail was like him curing people's blindness, which is very clickable. You're like, how did he do that? And then in the video, he just goes through and pays for like a very basic, cheap cataract removal surgery for a thousand people so they get to see for the first time in their life, and it's actually kind of incredible.

And the, the spiraling in the background and the internet is it gets 50 million, million views in a day. And then everyone goes, wait, why isn't this surgery available for everyone for like for free? It should be super easy. So that's like the discussion.

I saw that commentary that it like highlights how terrible the U S healthcare system is. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. I feel like that's, I appreciate that a Mr. Beast video can highlight for millions of people the flaws in the healthcare system.

Yeah. You know, maybe that's what it's going to take. Yeah. Okay, let's talk about TikTok. This is a, I guess there's a couple headlines about this, but essentially there was a Forbes investigation into TikTok that revealed, for our video listeners or audio listeners i'm doing air quotes here that revealed that there is some human intervention into what

does and doesn't go viral on tiktok i think they called it a button a button a heating button yeah is this a shock to anybody no well no no i wonder if this is an actual button because they keep saying it's a button but i i wonder if it's more just like a code injection software i guess like when you say is it a button do you mean like is there a room with this just like giant red button on it or do you think there's like a tiktok something in there i just wonder if in like in the developer portal they have like a heat button i think it's like more it's from this it seems more easily accessible than like developer code because it seems like there are people that forbes is considering lower on the totem pole of tiktok including some contractors with bite dance that were able to quote unquote press this button yeah

okay let me just say what the button does just for people who are wondering. So obviously if you've used TikTok, you know it's just the algorithm serving you videos and it just decides what you're going to see next based on your previous behavior. And it's gotten really good at figuring out what people want to see based on how they use TikTok. So Forbes says,

in addition to letting the algorithm decide what goes viral, staff at TikTok and ByteDance also secretly handpick specific videos and supercharge their distribution using a practice known internally as heating so i would distinguish this from like you know youtube trending where i guess it's it's an obvious collection of both hand-picked and algorithmically successful videos and they just put it in this page and call it trending yeah um i think on tiktok a lot of people might just assume it's just whatever the algorithm wants and there's no control over what's blowing up um but if you work for tiktok yeah you're gonna have

some built-in controls obviously to prevent things you don't want to go viral yeah there's some policy violations or some negatives just something some tide pod challenge you don't want to go viral yeah there's some policy violations or some negatives just something some tide pod challenge you don't want to blow up but yeah on the opposite side it's also true yeah if you find some things that you want to experiment with and see if they work before the algorithm gets to it yeah reddit has a bunch of different ways to sort content and there's there's hot which is like basically trending and then there's also rising, which I think is content that's heating, that's on its way up. So I feel like when you heat a video,

you're probably making it rise, just like bread. You're giving it a little extra boost, a little NOS boost that the other videos don't get. Giving it launch control. Like you you said we're not that surprised by it and the reason it is kind of different than trending page is you have to go to the trending page to look at videos like that on you know what i mean where this is just showing up on your for you page right um i'm sure there's still some sort of like they're gonna push it and heat it and there's still some sort of like algorithm of these people are in this demographic and like this type of video.

And it's just going to push to them faster than other videos for that demographic. But to like officially have through this Forbes investigation, like the proof that there's that button. And that it seems that TikTok is using it a little more willy nilly than some other. more willy-nilly than some other i mean we don't know the other ones but there have been a few reports in that investigation that people were heeding content that they had from people with close personal relationships too and like maybe there's some favorites being played in some things i still have some other um theories that i want to be investigated about tiktok about i remember earlier i had the theory that uh if you make a new account they'll take one of your first posts and absolutely skyrocketed to the moon just one of your first posts i wonder if this is i honestly wonder if that's tied to this

in some way well that seems algorithmic because there's no way somebody can hop around tiktok looking for new accounts and making sure somebody's first five videos always has one blow up. But would you say that you're doing that because of your account that you created and we hit that like 30 million view TikTok within like the first five videos? Yeah, but I also see it on other accounts as well. Okay. So I'll see a video that's super viral and I'm like, I wonder if there's more like that. And I'll go to the profile and it's one of their first like 12 videos. I'm like, I know what's going on here.

And YouTube has a different set of ways that I see it experiment with pushing things and Shorts Fee is even newer and different, but I just, that's one of my theories for TikTok. I wonder if ours specifically

was the manual manipulation because you, were you verified on TikTok before you even posted anything because didn't they like i posted a few things before i was verified and before i had any contact at tiktok which i barely have now i think um i don't remember if the thing that blew up was before or after that yeah i'm sure they were aware that you are a large creator and that's like they will i'm sure and this isn't just for you i bet this is for a lot of other large creators starting on tiktok they want to blow that stuff up like

they want creators to be like oh my god look at the type of numbers i'm getting on this app i want to be on this app yeah that makes total sense to because they they do say that like the reason for this button is to push new content to different people and be able to to like distribute wealth i guess you know views being wealth to other people on the internet and uh make it a more diverse community of who can of what type of content you're seeing yeah i think that's the ironic part of all of this is that like on youtube if you can heat a video that person's making significantly more money on tiktok if you give people 20 million more views they're making three more cents it's like this is true through direct creator fund yeah

yeah i mean the creator fund just like sucks because it's just it's like a static amount we've talked about that before but like they i think in the investigation they talked about how there were some people that could get like better brand deals if their content got heated and so they tried to get like tiktok heated those accounts that's the stuff i think when they were talking about contractors that was like one of the things it's like well these are creators who are doing brand content like we want to prove brand content can be better on tiktok platform like let's blow those views up and yeah and they said that heated uh like in a day the total heated videos can account for one to two percent of total video views of that day when they're the assumption of

video views per day on tiktok are like over a billion right so that's a lot yeah yeah they'll make it sound small like oh it's only one percent it's just a small thing of a billion though that's the thing. How many views do you get on trending on YouTube, and how many views do you get? Obviously, views are different on YouTube versus TikTok. Oh, yeah. No, I'd say being top five in trending on YouTube,

how many views do you think that would get a video? It used to be more. It used to, yeah. It used to be way more. Yeah. I think right now, if I'll have a video that I know is going to do really well, like a new device comes out or something and it actually ends up on trending, you can go into the analytics and see

it got 1,200 views from trending or it got 3,000 views from trending. It's not enough to change the trajectory of the video that's already successful enough to get onto trending in the first place. Yeah, the trending tab isn't really on the homepage anymore. Exactly. It's just like some explore page that you can find if you look hard.

Yeah. Whereas I think they used to have it. It used to be like literally right here, like one of the third options of the menu. YouTube used to have temporary badges. Do you remember these temporary badges? Like under the video where it said. Under videos and channels. badges do you remember these temporary badges like under the video where it said under videos and channels you could have a video that is the number 23 most commented video in brazil in

technology this week oh yeah or you could have a channel that was like the most the number nine most viewed science and tech channel in the uk today right and so you'd have just a list of badges under everything. Because everything at that level, when YouTube was much smaller, and there was all kinds of things just popping off, there'd be tons of crazy badges. And then some of the biggest creators

would just have monster lists of badges under every video. It would just be number one most viewed comedy, number one most viewed comedy of the day, number one most viewed comedy of the week, number one most viewed comedy of the month, number one most viewed comedy English-speaking country. It would comedy of the month number one most viewed comedy english-speaking country it would just keep going and going yeah i just i just remember those days now it's like not that big of a deal to be on the home page of youtube because that just rotates all the time it's customized so i wanted to talk about this one

because it's interesting but two because we have kind of our own theory behind manual manipulation and youtube trending which we talked about a little bit before, but the main theory being is that we think they're manually working on trending because we've never seen two videos in trending from the same channel at the same time. Right. Including ours, but also just like, I've never seen it.

And we've had videos that are like top 10 trending and are still trending, and then our next one comes out and it also hits trending, and then that one goes away. To to the minute yeah i remember because okay so this would happen a couple years ago really where we had a good little streak of like maybe 10 20 videos in a row that hit trending and i would get a notification every time a video hit trending so a video would hit like drop it would do well it would i get the notification, this video is trending. Cool.

But we have an embargo tomorrow where we're about to drop a new video, probably in the middle of this current video's peak. So I'd keep an eye on how well it would do on trending. And then right before the embargo, I check the old video is still on trending. I drop the new video. It does really well. The second the new video notification pops up that that hit trending, I would check the old video and it would be off of trending. No matter how high or low it was, it would be off trending. So I was like, oh,

there's probably some sort of a fail safe or like a algorithmic loop where if you add something manually to trending, it just takes other things from the same channel off trending so that it's not too favored, something like that. Never confirmed this,

but I think at one point, I finally did have, at one point i finally did have at one point two videos on trending for like two hours same channel not from our other channels yeah one was really high one was really low and they were both on trend for a little bit that may have destroyed it only happened once and i don't know if that's because the person maybe forgot to remove the old video or if there is no mechanical thing that forces the video out of trending when you add a new one, I don't really know. It's just a theory. It seems like it should happen, though, because MrBeast puts out videos close enough to each other where both of them could be the two most popular videos on YouTube and they won't be there.

Well, his main channel, it would only be from a single channel. He could have videos from separate channels that's what I'm talking about separate channels on trending at the same time yeah yeah his main channel he has like three weeks between videos

yeah he's had some in the past that have been close enough and all of his stuff is just destroying like should be on trending

essentially every single time I wonder if like Casey Neistat daily vlogs did that oh yeah cause they were he's another good example yeah it was a good time anyway it's a theory a game theory the youtube theory the tiktok theory seems

to be uh pretty much proved it's confirmed confirmed which i mean i'm pretty sure every social media platform that you are on has some sort of person behind the scenes at some point doing something to increase viewership for some reason mostly the reasons money for the social media platform also for safety to just make sure crazy things don't trend my twitter trending topics are typically pretty niche when i go to twitter it'll be like you know galaxy unpacked is trending or like apple is trending like classic stuff but it'll be like usbc iphone will be trending on twitter i'm like i know that's not trending for everybody on twitter right now but

just me just mine i'll have like real niche tech things trending on mine which is probably not surprising i'm looking at trending right now and the titles of the videos that are trending are very strange on youtube yeah two cry face emojis is one of the titles those are shorts that's interesting they have a creator that's on the creator on the rise and just has five of her shorts right at the top they do that sometimes yeah that makes that makes more sense for shorts they have a lot of shorts on trending right now i guess like a short title is kind of weird though because if you're going through the shorts page you're basically not even seeing the title, right? Yeah.

Because you're just scrolling. Yeah, it's good. When was the last time you opened up YouTube and went to Trending? I just did. This is the first time in a long time. I was just going to say that. This is the first time I think I've done this, like, ever.

I think that's why it has so little traffic. It used to be way more popular. It used to be essentially right next to the homepage. Like you would have your homepage, trending, and your subscriptions, and it would be a huge deal to show up on all three. You could be on the YouTube homepage and trending, and people have subscribed to you. You're going to get clicks.

It's great. It's a great place to be. Now, if you want to go to find trending, over on the left, there's home, short subscriptions be. Now, if you want to go to find Trending, over on the left there is Home, Shorts, Subscriptions, Originals, YouTube Music, then all of the playlists and stuff that you have signed in in your own subscriptions. Then underneath that, the Explore tab has Trending underneath it.

So, Trending is sort of a sidebar. Trending is dead. Sidebar. Yeah, I feel like YouTube is just getting more and more algorithmic. It's just like, don't pick things, just have things serve to you. Yeah. I mean, Shorts is a good example of that but even videos but i mean my recommended has been on fire lately that's the thing they're they're recommended pages like so much better for that at this point yeah so that's pretty much it i think probably we'll we've got to talk about this one plus 11

that i've been sitting on i've had this phone for maybe three weeks which is longer than usual but we'll talk about it after the break but first let's get our first trivia question trivia so actually you've had that phone for so long that i forgot that we had it yeah yeah i was like oh snap do we even have that phone you're like yeah it's right here yeah it's been oh snap yeah okay we're coming in anyway so we spoke about TikTok today, whose parent company is ByteDance, a giant Chinese company. So the question, when was ByteDance founded? When was ByteDance founded?

How long has it been around? That does feel megacorp kind of in the way it's named, ByteDance. Too easy. ByteDance. Well, we'll think about our answers. We'll get to it at the very end's named, ByteDance. Too easy. ByteDance. We'll think about our answers. We'll get to it at the very end. Oh, wow. I never even thought about that.

Yeah. Anyway. ByteDance. Small dances, like short videos of people dancing. Yeah. Is it a byte or a bit? Is it a bit dance? Bit rate.

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but it's better overall than the Galaxy S23. Better buy. Hear me out. I'll explain. So wait, hear me out first. Galaxy S23 is $799. OnePlus 11 is $699. So what's the difference between those two phones? Because we're very familiar with Samsung's offering OnePlus kind of in flux, and this is one of their better phones. This phone, the OnePlus that I'm holding now, has a better camera array, has a better battery and battery life, has faster charging, has an arguably better or worse design, depends on how you feel. It has the alert slider.

It has a better screen, and it has the alert slider uh it has a better screen and it has the same snapdragon 8 gen 2 they both have 8 gigs of ram and 128 gigs of storage to start um but the oneplus has a 1440p 120 hertz oled with a thousand hertz touch sample rate which samsung's base phones have 1080p displays uh it also has a bunch of little things wi-fi 7 bluetooth 4.0 lpddrx 5 ram ufs 4.0 storage and it's only missing one thing that the samsung has which is wireless charging and other than that it's even across the board 100 bucks less i think this is the better device yeah crazy i'm gonna let david go on this first i mean

the wireless charging is it's annoying to me that wireless charging is always the thing that you take out when you make a cheap quote-unquote cheaper phone i can't agree more especially when they put like wi-fi 7 and all this like super bleeding edge stuff in it it's kind of just strange like the wireless charging cables can't cost that much but maybe it was for the design i think yeah i would i would buy that over the galaxy s23 for sure yeah i also just don't really love samsung's ux so and their phones are just exceedingly boring to me now which is part of their strategy but yeah you know i'll talk about the ux on this phone in a second we had the review out by the time you're watching this but andrew what do you think i mean i think wireless charging i can't believe they don't have it one plus like

started doing wireless charging too so to take it don't have it oneplus like started doing wireless charging too so to take it away again but only in the pros though i mean they still started doing it and i don't know well i feel i've said it a million times when you're in the wireless charging once you're in the ecosystem of it getting out of it feels like that's true caveman so if you like plugging my phone and now it feels weird right because you're already in it like if you already use a phone that has wireless charging it's much harder to to upgrade to a phone that doesn't have wireless charging yeah for sure but if you've never had wireless charging which maybe a lot of one plus customers or a lot of people currently using other 500 phones don't have maybe that are older and this

is less big of a deal and that's where they decide to save money i don't know how much like wi-fi 7 costs to implement versus wi-fi 6 like i don't know wi-fi 6e is great but like am i ever going to notice that this phone has wi-fi 7 probably not yeah so it's like weird that they would they would flex a little bit on those completely intangible unnoticeable things but then skip out on like a very noticeable relatively cheap feature yeah like wireless charging they intentionally said they weren't going to make a pro version this time well i bet you they will i just wonder what would go in a pro version of this because it has everything except wireless charging basically yeah they they kind of pitched this phone to me way back when they

introduced it to me weeks ago as like we want to keep it simple we've had these like pro phones and t phones and other phones in the past we want to we just simplify it and just make one flagship so there is no pro this is the flagship it's the one plus 11 so i don't think they're going to make one that also has wireless charging i think this is their flagship 699 pretty good for a flagship but it's got the snapdragon 8 gen 2 it's got the 1440p ltpo it's got like a really it's it's very quick it's a 5000 milliamp hour battery with 80 watt charging yeah phenomenal battery life anyway so i feel like when i do plug it in once in a while it's great so yeah i do miss wireless charging but it's a really good battery i'm gonna butt in there really quick on that if we're saying the pro versions are

the only one that had wireless charging but then this is they're saying this is their flagship that's the pro that is the top level then and then it's not an excuse to not have wireless charging anymore it's a i think it's a bad but the pro was 899 i'm just saying it was their top level one they were okay with wireless charging so maybe they're going a totally different route now but like it they took away wireless charging in my eyes. This is their flagship. They took it away. This is their flagship, but they're just giving up on Pro. I think there's other companies that did this, too.

They just gave up on a high-end phone. Like Motorola, if they just didn't do the Ultra anymore, they would just have their normal high-end phones and not do a $1,000 phone. It kind of feels like that's what OnePlus did. They had like a tier system and they just got rid of the top tier. Do you know who this feels like? Who? OnePlus. Well, yeah. Is that weird to say?

This feels like the OnePlus when we all loved OnePlus. I also want to point out, it's kind of hilarious that they, when we gave them the Bust of the Year Award in December, they started using that as marketing for this phone. And they tweeted like a couple weeks ago. They were like, this award is what motivated us to make the OnePlus 11. It's like, no, this was in development for eight months before we gave it this award.

Like maybe it's a little bit of marketing. So when we put out the smartphone smartphone awards they were the first ones to claim their award that's gotta be the first time the bust of the year is the first one to claim their award but they did they took their trophy first also a lot of other companies have taken their trophies now which is cool but yeah then now they're going around like tweeting pictures of it like this is the one we're gonna defy yeah all right cool great so this is the response i mean i gotta say i mean the review is gonna be out by the time you guys I think see this podcast, but it is a really good phone

and it does feel like the OnePlus of the past that's like undercutting the Samsungs and iPhones of the world. The cheapest iPhone other than the SE is gonna be more expensive than this. The cheapest Samsung flagship is more expensive than this. So in that sense, it feels like a good deal. I did also wanna mention ui quirks that i

hate about this phone they're so subtle but like this is running that new software that we've seen you know oppo and oneplus merge together with um one thing that i can do on every single android phone i use is i can swipe to dismiss notifications left or right. Simple thing. I just go back and forth. I got five notifications, boom, boom, boom, swipe them all away. This phone, you can only swipe to dismiss to the right. If you swipe to the left, it just pulls up settings and does a half swipe.

You can't get rid of notifications to the left. That's one thing. The second thing is every single other Android phone that I use, you can use two phones to swipe down and expand a notification. So if I have like six new group messages or six new Slack messages, I can like swipe down and decide to open the ones in the autofocus Slack or the ones in the main Slack. On this one, you can't do that.

You have to just tap it and then tap which one you want to get into. You have to tap you you can't just open the app so basically before if i had a group of notifications from group me and i just tapped it it would just open group me with this one i tap it it expands them and then i have to tap again so just it's just these little weird gesture things that just make it slightly harder and more annoying to use in my notifications that make me so annoyed with how at that if they just added that one setting where they allow me to actually use notifications the way every other phone works i would probably daily this phone i think it's my favorite phone so far of the year it's pretty early but it's pretty sweet is wireless charging

important to you to me no i i am if you give me 80 watt charging i can live without wireless charging like it is a little bit less convenient because i have wireless charging in my car uh but i can deal with the fact that this battery life is so good that i'm fine with not charging in my car and when i get home i'll plug in for two minutes and i'll have a bunch more battery so i'm fine with that i really like it it's just like that a couple weird software quirks that bug me so i feel like that's so interesting to me i the only place i don't have wireless charging is my car. And I mean, I plug it in because I'm using Android Auto already, but that's so weird that you would prefer to not charge in your car and prefer to charge at home. I would rather charge in the place where I'm like locked into a seat for X amount of time

versus going home when I would rather just have my phone like near me. Yeah. I guess if I'm at home, I'm just kind of around and it doesn't matter as much. But when I'm in the car, that's a classic battery draining activity where my phone's full brightness, streaming music, GPS is on like a bunch of stuff happening. So if it's sitting in the car and it's not charging, that's when I lose the most battery. So if I have a wireless charger in my car, that helps me keep at least the battery at the same level so it's not plummeting. This one, I just do all the normal GPS stuff and it takes a small hit out of the battery and it's fine

because the battery life is excellent. And then I get home and at some point, if I find a charger, I plug in while I'm in the shower or something and it's all the way back to 90%, and it's fine. So, you know, I think I talk about this in a lot of phones with fast charging. In the review, I'm like, you can either give me a really long battery life or fast charging or convenient charging experience, and if you can kind of do a little bit of both, then I'm happy.

So, yeah, I like this phone. It's just that little bit of software quirk and feature is what bugs me. But it's got a lot going for it. For some reason, they're also saying that the camera array is supposed to be a black hole. We can talk about the cameras. Let's talk about the cameras. Visually, you want to talk about the design of the camera bump or whatever? Yeah.

Yeah, it's a matte black phone. It's supposed to kind of be like a starry night type of thing it's fine it's a little slippery but whatever it's fine and then yeah you got a big cutout that's a circle on the side of the phone i don't mind it it's a it's annoying to sometimes have it rock it's not too bad It's not the prettiest thing in the world, but it's got pretty good cameras. The main camera, oh, Hasselblad's back too, by the way. Remember how they just didn't do it for a couple phones for some reason? And they spent like $150 million on this partnership. It's back. So Hasselblad's back. I don't know what that means exactly optically, but the photos look really good. I have a lot of low light examples,

a lot of video examples. The camera's actually very solid on this phone. There's also a telephoto and an ultra wide it's good it's a good camera i think the camera bump looks bad looks bad is it a deal breaker bad or is it just like i don't think uh the the look of a phone on the back is ever quite deal like breaker ever i'm a case person too so it doesn't quite matter as much but like it could look like anything i like the way it looks i don't like the way it looks it's like kind of doing the like over the edge like the s21 but then it's also doing a big circle like the meat and then it's also combining them which then just adds we have three different layers of bumps now and it's less seamless than S21 day. It looks like who's the

superhero that has like the eyepiece that comes around the side of their eye? The cartoon one? Cyclops? No, he has the full thing. Like spy kids? Yeah, spy kids. I think Dragon Ball Z might be one of them. The power levels are 9,000.

Yeah, yeah. This one's... Observing power levels all day. That's funny. Yeah. Now, if you put a case on it, though, I'm sure it'll just... I think the black hole thing is supposed to be because it has this, like, little shiny starry thing on the inside.

Yeah, but black holes aren't shiny. Yeah, well, we have to imagine a black hole in some way. You can't even see a black hole. Black holes also don't say Hasselblad across the front of them. They're right across the middle of the branding of a black hole. You can prove it. There's a supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy. If this was actually a black hole, you just couldn't even see the camera.

That's hard to engineer. It's really hard. They should have used Vantablack. It sucks the light like a black hole into the sensor. Yeah, I know. I get that. It gobbles itack. It like sucks the light like a black hole into the sensor. Yeah, I know. I get that. It gobbles it up.

It gobbles it. One of my favorite things is in their briefing, they described it as seductively curvy and irresistibly shiny or something. And if it's a black hole, technically a black hole is seductive because you can't escape the pole irresistible it's irresistible yeah so audio listeners andrew is like destroying his loving black holes are irresistibly curvy it's it's a fact technically true is scientifically true technically true that's actually true yeah no this this one's fine it It's fine. In hand, it feels really good. I always love that OnePlus does the shallower edges, so phones just feel thinner,

despite being the same size as every single other phone. And they always have fantastic first-party cases. I always have thought that's one of the best things OnePlus has ever done. I always thought they should be a case business. Seriously, they make the best first-party cases. Yeah yeah this would be a good phone to put a case on so it would look and look better better more like a like a cover that black hole unlike the google ones that are just absolute crap what happened no i missed the fabric after the fabric one the silicone ones actually i'm using one now i never use those fine so it's just boring the new gen

like the pixel 7 silicone is better but the pixel 6 silicone cases were like which phone looks better to you mine the one plus 11 i think the pixel or the one plus the pixel or the one plus i think the one plus looks better i think the pixel looks better i think the pixel definitely looks better but i don't think the one plus looks terrible it's just trying too much trying too hard man i mean are we all i would prefer they try too much versus the s23 which tries literally a negative amount yeah it didn't do any i mean if you thought the s23 was fine before this won't change your mind about it but if you didn't like the s23 you or s22 you definitely don't like the s23 because it's the same thing it looks exactly the same yeah yeah no it's fine uh anyway you should check out the full review that'll be out either soon or is already out by the time you see this but uh not

a whole ton to say i'm glad we got to get through it though i'm excited for the q a i am very curious what people want to ask us and what we and i as far as i can tell you guys have picked questions for us i haven't we haven't seen them yet we know that it was i know okay so it was pulled on twitter and i got tagged in some but i didn't read any of them so this will be the first time i look at them so we'll do that after the break but first let's do another trivia question all right so a little preview for the Q&A to come. George G. on Twitter, at gmcfly underscore 81, asked us, can we please have more agricultural

slash orchard trivia related content? Wait, somebody wrote something about the apple tree. They don't come, most of them don't come from a seed. They come from a graft. Yeah, you have to graft it if you want it to grow quicker. Good apples. No, you want it to eat it. To grow good apples, you have to graft it.

If you plant an apple seed in the ground, you're going to get a sour apple, a little crab apple. You're going to feed that to a horse. That's fine. If you want an edible apple, you got to graft. What is grafting? This isn't a tech class. Wow.

You shave off a branch and connect it into the new seedling. Did I say it had to be an edible apple or just an apple? I did recently stay at an Airbnb in California and in the front tree was, the front yard was an orange tree that you could just grab one off and eat and it was fine.

Okay. That's how they work? Yeah, yeah. You are not the first person orange tree that you could just grab one off and eat and it was fine. That's how they work? You are not the first person from the mid-Atlantic to express the surprise at citrus. It's like amazing. We have orchards all over and you can just eat the fruits out of it. If you see a fruit tree in New Jersey, do not

eat what's on that tree. I had a friend from Philadelphia and when he came to my parents' house, and we have grapefruit trees and orange trees and stuff, because everyone does in California. Yeah. Huh. He was like, what's the regen rate? Yeah.

The regen rate. Yeah, I was like, are we going to deplete this tree? You don't understand scale. It's the season, baby. They were good. Okay, well, on this note. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm going to get it it wrong whatever the question is yes mung beans prefer which kind of soil no shot a silty soil b sandy soil i don't

even know what that is c clay soil you're just saying monk bean or d point loamy soil i don't know what that is either this is what the people wanted this isn't even Did you say monk bean? Or D, loamy soil. I don't know what that is either. This is what the people wanted. This isn't even tech-chip. It probably is tech-adjacent. It isn't. There's definitely some way that I would love a connection to tech. I think we'll see in the answers or I'll be strongly disappointed.

We'll find out. I think you're going to be strongly disappointed. It's just a mung bean question. What even is a mung bean? That's exactly what i'm thinking i have no idea really this is made up no idea i only know mung beans from the tiktok trend what what tiktok trends where they take the mung beans and play music with it what what are you we need to go to ad break this is way too long this is completely sideways let's get it back

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netsuite.com slash waveform. All right, welcome back. Well, kind of welcome back. Welcome back to the future a little bit. Great Scott. So long story short, we recorded the first half of the podcast that you've already listened to a week early

because Adam, as you can tell, was out. But then we had all these AI events and we figured sound the alarm, emergency podcast. We got to get back in here anyway and talk about what just happened because there's a lot of this sort of feels like pivotal, like a sort of a turning point for AI. So we're back in the future of the past a little bit. Anyway, okay, so this event or

two this week, we had two events that were public. One was a Microsoft event. And then one was a Google event the next day. The Microsoft one, I'd say much more substantial because they are showing things that they're actually shipping and that are new and that are very different from what they've done in the past with Bing. And then we did get a little bit of stuff along the same lines with Google, with Bard. Let's start with Microsoft, though. New Bing experience, chat GPT integration on the side that sort of helps you search with Bing. It's like a co-pilot, as they described it. It's a really interesting implementation of AI.

We're kind of wondering how they would do this. What are your thoughts? Yeah, so they have two versions of it. There is one that's more of like a traditional search where you do a normal Bing search, not a Google search. And then a bunch of context appears on the side and it sort of gives you your answer in a more natural language kind of way as if you

were asking chat gpt uh and then there's also just a chat interface which is basically just chat gpt just talk so you can have the traditional like give me a bunch of links but also if i'm just asking a question or asking for a recipe or for some reason one of their implementations was asking for a travel itinerary it will give you like all the things on the side. And then it'll what's kind of cool is that it will it'll source like the top three links that it's sort of grabbing from, which is interesting because it's doing inference. But it's also giving you link link information, which is good. Yeah. However, websites might start to have some trouble.

Yeah. This is the fundamental thing. However, websites might start to have some trouble with SEO. This is the fundamental thing. So the idea is we're at a pivotal point with AI because it's not just fun, interesting tools that happen to be AI powered. We know what AI is already, but now it's big companies taking these AI models and integrating them with consumer facing products, like real products. And one of the first big pivotal versions of this is search. So Google search is very well known. Microsoft's Bing search is also very well known. And this is this opportunity to have AI help you search the internet, which is interesting because, and we will talk probably a lot about this but when you search

the internet fundamentally what you're doing is crawling the entire internet for whatever phrase you typed in and then getting a list of things sometimes it's some ads at the top and then a list but you get a list of links and then you can dive in from there that's why i have 500 tabs open at a time i don't think that's a good excuse. Everything on the first page. Yes. So the idea of AI being integrated in search is instead of just giving you a list of links, it can actually crawl information from those pages and from all of these websites and give you a natural language answer to your question instead of you having to dive into the links

sounds helpful but when you're a publisher yeah in those links that suddenly becomes a really existential question which is like how how will this impact us how will this work does the economy completely change does the business model change lots of questions are unanswered about this and i just i like mentioning that like google's had this AI stuff for a long time. When you ask Google Assistant, what is the capital of Japan? And it just says at the top, Tokyo. And then it gives you the list of links, like usual, but it just tells you the answer at the top,

so you don't have to dive into the links. And the more complex that question gets, the more dicey and potentially complicated that answer will get yeah so if google and bing are going to promise you like a nice written response there's a lot of questions about that response how good can it be where is it pulling from is it accurate so if i just ask like a math question like what's five plus seven it can tell me it's 12 and be pretty confident about it but if i ask it what are this is the example on stage at the microsoft event what are the 10 best tvs to buy now suddenly it has to decide how to serve the 10 best tvs it's probably pulling from other websites who have made lists of the best tvs and it's giving you its top 10 and sourcing you to it but now i'm never

going to that other website right yeah i i also don't know was that specifically on stage or nila had a really good decoder episode with satya that was on stage that was on 10 tvs okay because he brought that up and i i appreciate that he asked something like this because as someone who's worked with the verge so long this is feels like something that will directly affect them and that 10 tv question it couldn't hit closer to home for him um and he pretty much asked like how am i like how is the verge going to get traffic sources and essentially like income from advertisers if you search for the 10 best tvs and chat gpt just says here's the 10 best tvs yeah satya would respond with well they're going to see that want to learn more and go through the links of it but i i are we all in agreeance that

like i think most people would probably see that and direct to go to amazon i'm interested in how this plays out in the future because if chat gpt was able to like have embed or not chat gpt but bing search assistant yeah we'll call it co-pilot chat gpt if it was able to have like hyperlinks within its contextualized thing then because the thing is people want to go down the path of least resistance and the whole reason why companies or why publishers make so much money on seo articles the like best best this articles is because of that um what's it called when you click on a link like affiliate affiliate links right and so people are going to want to take the path of least resistance to get to the product right and it's going to be

weird if they just list the top 10 best tvs but then you have to like separately copy the top one go to amazon and i don't know i think that the publisher like seo model has been kind of broken since the beginning and i think all of the i think all the publishers would probably agree with that because they've had to change the way that they write content they've had to change the way that they like game search engines and do search engine optimization is literally the term which seems like you're kind of trying to like game the system already it's a very gray area i think anyway i think if they had a new model where whatever links chat gpt showed on the side the like top three or four links that got displayed that it said the context was coming from

would get like a small a few cents or something yeah i feel like that would be a cool model that's way less than affiliate link click though yeah true and i highly i mean they didn't say anything i can't imagine this pulling an affiliate link from a page and putting it in yeah the chat thing i don't think there's any chance. And that's also still, which is less, taking away from banner advertisers or anything else on a website and just traffic in general to try and sell those banner ads now.

Like your website could be getting a million active users a month. I could see that getting cut in half very easily. Fundamentally, it has to go down. Like if you are the, and I say it's a it has to go down like if you if you are the and i say it's a great area because there's like the how to watch the super bowl online article where it's like someone's going to google that and you just want to be as close to the top as possible and then there's just like straight gaming it so there is like a whole list of things you can do but it's

like if the whole point of this ai help is to give you an answer instead of you sorting through links, then functionally less people will go to the links. Right. Right. So there will have to be a hit there. But my other question is I guess just in like user behavior, and I think this depends on – my theory is this depends mostly on how big of a financial decision you're making. But do people actually just take the answer from the top of search and then just leave? I think if it's just, I think, okay.

I think if it's just a fact question, like what's the fastest animal in the ocean? And at the top it says, the top speed of a swordfish is 40 miles an hour. Okay, I left. I didn't click any links. But if you ask, give me a recipe for banana bread, maybe I just take the recipe it spits out and leave,

or maybe I check a couple more, or maybe I'm looking for a little more involvement. There's like three or four interesting recipes to choose from or something. I think there was a question on stage, which was like, give me an itinerary to a vacation in Europe. And it was like, okay, you will fly to a vacation in europe and it was like okay you will fly to spain you will see this museum you will take a bus to this other city hotel all those

things separately yeah and it's like there's no way i go okay that's what i'll do and then just leave like you still need to dig into the links and stuff yeah um and i always just wondered that like when people see the top 10 tvs listed out by bing and chat gpt do they just go okay i'll take the top one go to best buy and buy it and just take yeah pick the one that's in their price range or do they research a little more i feel i don't know what regular people do i don't like i think it's like monkey at the keyboard right you have to assume they do the least amount of work possible twitter literally had to implement something a few years ago where if you tried to retweet an article without clicking into it it said are you sure you want to retweet this?

Because they know how many people are reading a headline. And that's the gospel after that. So, like, why wouldn't you just say, hey, chat GPT, what are the top 10 best TVs? And, like, it might go a little further. Like, give me one in around the closest to $300 and one that's got free shipping, like it'll narrow it down. Why would you ever go to a link after that? I also want to say a really strange potentially existential problem and recursive problem is that the chat bot has to create context based on web pages. create context based on webpages, right?

But if traffic stops going to those webpages and publishers become less likely to publish. Yeah, I mean, like, look, if you stop getting traffic, you stop publishing content about that thing, then the chatbot's not going to work. It's a recursive problem. It's like these publishers are not going to publish free content

if they don't get clicks on it. Yeah, if the primary source of your traffic and the reason you publish things is because you get search volume and clicks from that then your incentive goes away and you stop making this stuff yeah so hopefully you have a different incentive like you have subscribers or something this is i was like i was picturing the youtube version of this which is like we make youtube videos let's say i go to youtube and i say, what's the best smartphone Samsung mates right now? And it just says Galaxy S23 Ultra at the top and like gives you a little summary. A lot of people won't watch the video, right? They probably wouldn't click into watch our videos. So our incentive goes down at least. Yeah. I think we have entertainment about like YouTube has entertainment value. So I think it's

a little tougher and not to say that there YouTube has entertainment value. So I think it's a little tougher. And not to say that there isn't entertainment value in text. There clearly is. But like, I think in a lot of those situations where you're trying to find something fast, but like the main thing I think of is Wirecutter. Why would Wirecutter ever exist? God, you're right. Like Wirecutter is basically just like, yeah, they survive on affiliate links.

Yeah. We are a place that does a ton of testing just to tell you a list yeah and now you are never going to go to my website ever again yeah like if chat gpt or bing whatever just says like well wire cutters favorite lawnmower is this and you go by that's a great point yeah wow this is all sitting on the back of the fact that the internet went a certain way where it was completely free and the ad market had to run the internet because this is this is like the whole like web three like thing that they like to parrot is that the internet could have gone the direction where previously you bought a newspaper for a dollar you bought a magazine

and so to access content on any website you'd have to pay micro transactions right to read an article like that's the same thing as buying a newspaper. Yeah, paywall. And it's just because everything became free, which I think is fantastic because, like, more power, more information to everybody is, like, better. But because of that, it has to be paid for somehow, and ads are paying for it. So now we're seeing this, like, potentially scary situation where at...

It's upending the ad model. Yeah, and the ad model is what allows publishers to publish for free yeah yeah if you were still at android authority right now seeing this coming out would you be like a little worried um well i guess if i was running the website probably okay well but even like you're at the website now the person who's running it is worried and now that person has to pay you and i put a ton of work into like the reviews, the written reviews. And if you just ask chat GPT, like how good is the OnePlus 8?

Yeah. It has to pull from somewhere. Yeah. It's going to pull from what we put together. Yeah. It pulls from Android Authority, Android Central, and XDA developers. And then it just puts it on the side. So I guess, does it really just come down to entertainment value?

Like the difference between surviving in this new model and not surviving is is there a reason to view your content other than just the the headline list it's hard because i i think that's a big part of it like i i go to the verge every single day i read almost every single article that they put out and a lot of it does have to do with like the way it's written and contextualized yeah um it would be worse if there was like a version of this bing chat gpt thing where you could just be like oh tell me about i guess you could do this like tell me about the new asus monitor and it just like pulls all of the written information tell me about the new Asus monitor in the style of a David review. Yeah. Something you didn't even review. It's like, here, I got you.

Check GPT's got you. I do think like loyalty and trustworthiness will still play a role here. So like maybe you're not a video, like entertainment value, but if you've been following someone who's reviewing stuff or just doing ranking lists and you've used those

lists before to to like your benefit like then you would probably stick with that than asking chat gpt things yeah in that sector but how many sectors are there how many like if you maybe trust somebody for uh tv recommendations when you're looking for a recipe you might be like oh i don't really care so much i'm gonna let this do a recipe instead. It definitely becomes the secondary, which is like most people most of the time will just ask the chatbot the question and then secondary is some people will go,

oh, let me dig through the links because there's a guy I like who I think made a list that I trust. And trustworthiness also comes down to the biggest AI question in my opinion, which is these chatbots don't know if what they're saying is a true statement or not. It's just reference. It's referencing.

It's compiling sentences or paragraphs based on what it's read, but it doesn't know if what it pulled from or what it's saying is real or not. Again, fairly inconsequential when it's give me a banana bread recipe right maybe even not that inconsequential if you just go show me the top 10 tvs right it'll it'll pull from a bunch and it'll just say here's the top 10 tvs maybe it's missing one of the better tvs oh okay well you'll probably still get a decent one but um oh there's no uh i put this in the waveform slack uh sometimes it'll just lie so one of the one of the funny things is in a literal google like copy promoting so bard is like the newest version of what they're doing powered by lambda which is like this you know conversation

chat you know on top of search same idea and it's like somebody asked what are some new discoveries from the james Space Telescope? And Google's answer is, it spotted a number of galaxies, it did a couple of these things, it sees deep into the universe. And the last bullet point is, JWST took the very first pictures

of a planet outside of our own solar system. No, it didn't. It just didn't. That's just not true. But it probably pulled that combination of words from something and decided to spit that out yeah so i guess you're kind of cringing at the banana butter recipe it's some people you're saying it's not consequential but like come on man that's a lot of time or like what if you're allergic to

something that's exactly what i was gonna say so you go give me a recipe for this thing by the way i'm allergic to this and i'm vegetarian and it gives you a recipe and you make it and somehow you don't realize that you put in the thing that you're allergic to like a good mess that sounds crazy but it might be like a seasoning or something that like does have tree nuts in it or whatever and it doesn't notice that and now i mean you should do more research but we can all agree here that people are not going to do that in a lot of scenarios here's the thing is like microsoft throughout this entire event made so many like references they were just over and over like do your own research just so you know like you really should be doing your own research like don't take everything for granted they had like an ai ethics session after the event to like get people to understand like and they

they said over and over and over again we've been working at this very slowly since we started thinking about it in like 2017 about how do we do this without potentially just spreading misinformation like crazy um the kind of interesting thing is that like people generally still believe the first thing that they see on the internet so it's not necessarily that different it's just the fact that there's now these ai models that are known to hallucinate and create misinformation by accident uh and then it's a good word yeah and then people don't really understand it's another variable which is like in the sense of misinformation depending on what it is one more variable could be catastrophic i mean like it's not good it's it's not good to have one extra thing that could be starting to spread stuff like that yeah it's not good it's it's not good to have one extra thing that could be starting to spread

stuff like that yeah it's kind of terrifying honestly uh what's cool about it though is oh yeah upside yeah uh chat gpt uh it was a model that was specifically trained and it had an end date that that data was trained on so it can't tell you about stuff that has been released or written about after a certain date it says my model was created on this date so i only have information up to this date but what bing's chat chat gpt thing is doing is i i asked on twitter like what how this is working because retraining a model that rapidly would be insanely computationally expensive and also i don't even know if you can train a model as new links are propagating

throughout the internet um what someone said is they think that the the model is able to search the web and then take what it finds and then contextualize it okay so i mean that's cool that's impressive it still does have to rely on being up to date because so much of what people search i'm gonna say google but whatever you search online is like recent like if someone if some news came out someone just died some event some earthquake just happened something happened if you google it or look it up and it starts telling you things that are out of date right that's not great yeah so that's so it can do it able to pull new information a lot of people at the event were testing on the demo units they had, like, what did Microsoft announce

on February 7th? And it did it. It just waved at them. Me. Interesting. And then, there's also a new Edge browser. Right? And I actually think that the AI

features in the edge browser are potentially more useful than the search stuff um there's a really cool thing where you can ask it to summarize a web page or a document that you're looking at and you can ask questions about its content so like one of the examples that they gave was like this 32 page gap inc earnings report or something that is just incredibly long yeah not trying to read that and you just you're using edge and you use this co-pilot feature and you just say like can you summarize this document for me and it says like gap reported net sales of 4.4 billion up two percent compared to last year and comparable sales were up one percent year over year gap being

recorded gross margin of this so you don't have to read 32 pages of like jargon. Kids these days have no idea how hard it was to do a research paper. Yeah. Well, this is like the intense irony of this, right? Is that someone went through the effort of like making this huge thing just so someone can like take the bullet points out of it. Yeah. And it's like, are we just eventually just going to become reductionist and and make everything bullet points which is not necessarily a bad thing because that's what

we're doing anyway we're like throwing away the jargon yeah satya kind of mentioned a little bit of this in that decoder interview which is like in the process of going through and reading the summary and like putting together something using ai tools you actually learn a lot about the source material because you're diving in and doing the work of summarizing it. And then you don't do that anymore. So it's potentially not awful. It's not like you're completely stopping that process. It's just a very different way of doing it.

When I was in college, wow, I sound old saying that, but you have to actually read the report, the whole thing. One of the ways that i learn things is by doing research and fact checking right and that's how you learn a thing it's by going through multiple links and making sure that the first thing that you read wasn't the only source of information that you're paying attention to and being critical about like how do i know what i just read is true right do i trust this source on this topic yeah what is their source is this a primary source

or not like all that information goes into your human decision about to trust it or not yeah and i don't know how much of that decision making gets translated into the ai version of like here's your bullet points yeah the edge summary thing though i think is quite cool i immediately looking at that not a summary but that would be so awesome in like a uh like a pdf user manual that's probably like 150 pages and there's something like very specific you have to find in there we're just you know now when you do it you're like ctrl f light you want to see what like three blinking red lights does so you ctrl f light but that's in the page 200 times so now you have to scroll through that it's like pull it up

on the side it's like what happens when there's three blinking lights on the front right finding that yeah because it understands the context of even if it says like error code three lights blinking like it understands what that is and it can just tell you in regular english yeah like what to do yeah that'd be super that'd be super do we want to say a couple of the we've been very critical of it i think rightfully so there are some really cool examples they did i i have one specifically i thought was really neat they did um essentially and people were doing this with chat gpt with like workout plans or meal plans so they asked it to write a one week meal plan they're vegetarian allergic to tree, and it wrote the meal plan for every single day. You take that, say, okay. And then you can say, now turn that into a grocery

list divided by like categories of food. So it can say, all right, well, you're eating like this many things in produce. So these will all be in the produce aisle for this week. These will all be in the dairy aisle. These, so like all be in the dairy aisle these so like if that comes up with a good enough result for you like yeah that is incredible that's so nice i almost feel like every one of these is going to have a a category every category is going to have a subgroup that's like that's not good enough where it's the people who are already like professionals and things like that where like actually if you're going to make a meal plan around this you should avoid this common misconception and it's in there and you should get rid of it it's like when someone asks for the top 10 tvs

or smartphones like most people just go oh yeah okay that's cool yeah i get to just pick from this list where this subsection of like us people at the table or like people who review these things are like actually these are all about to be outdated because oled's right around the corner and you're looking at all the best lcd tvs from the past 10 years context and it's like how how do you get these to be good yeah and and that's just gonna take time i guess do you think and i don't know if they said anything about it but the whole point of this is you ask it a question and then based on the answer all your following questions are relative right is there any way to edit the so let's say i asked for the meal plan and i didn't like wednesday's dinner could i imagine going in there and editing wednesday's dinner but now still

continuing to ask it the rest of the things that are beneficial relatively so it's like well now find me the grocery list from that but i didn't want the original thing you asked probably it's kind of good at that already like if you ask chat gpt for the top five or something and you say number four is wrong it'll go oh can you replace that with a a chicken dish or something like that i think that probably if it's not already there it probably would be pretty simple yeah i think it's cool yeah that seems really nice yeah because transformer models have memory and that's like the reason they can do i guess you would you wouldn't edit it you would ask it to edit it I feel like you'd be like I don't like Wednesdays because it has this

thing I don't like and I would go okay I've changed Wednesday and then you'd go okay now give me the list to shop for right it's kind of cool it would be nice if it was continuous though like if on Wednesday you had the dinner and then on Thursday you're like I didn't really like last night's dinner can you give me the same what it remembers yeah oh now we're just approaching

like just never close the tab yeah no no no don't say those words don't say that's like artificial general intelligence basically yeah um but there's one other feature in the edge browser as well and also you can ask questions about the contents of the document after you summarize it which is kind of cool and it tells you in natural language yeah um but there's also a compose function within edge that will act as a writing assistant to help you send emails or social media posts based on like a few prompts that you give it i'm sure this is a whole job yeah this is going to be added to outlook very soon i'm sure yeah but it's kind of cool that you could go in gmail in edge and you could just be like write marquez an email that says that i want to give me a reason to miss work tomorrow yeah give me a great excuse yeah you're you're the boss so

yeah yeah i love how it's a linkedin example because like i feel like that would be super easy there's like 10 things about how to grow your business 10x in five simple steps. And that's all it needs to shove into a LinkedIn post. The LinkedIn shitposts are now going to be written by AI. Yeah, there's going to be so many more. And be better than that. And then they're going to be summarized by AI. And just summarized over and over again by themselves. Yeah, a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy.

Oh, yikes. Which just transcends into chaos. Well, look, it's really interesting to keep an eye on this stuff. Obviously, Microsoft shipping some stuff soon. google adding to what they're doing yeah soon so like hopefully we can get our hands on this like new bing which is kind of like what we're calling it i want to like i think we can tell that this is pivotal because of how many times you've said new bing with like a smile on your face and like looking forward to it. I think that is an example in itself.

It's just how many, they should have just rebranded it. They should have. When they rebranded Internet Explorer to Edge, it actually like really, really helped its brand identity. And people are like, yeah, actually Edge is pretty good.

But no one would have ever been like, I'm not going to use Internet Explorer. Is the baggage with Bing as heavy as Internet Explorer? I think so. I think Bing's worse than Internet Explorer. Is the baggage with Bing as heavy as Internet Explorer? I think so. I think Bing's worse than Internet Explorer. Really? I think Internet Explorer had the worst brand. It had a terrible brand.

I think Bing has a pretty terrible brand. You knew Internet Explorer. People don't know Bing. Yeah. Somebody asked at the event, why didn't you just rebrand Bing to something new? I think Neil asked. And they were like, we love the Neil asked. And they were like, we love the Bing brand. And I was like,

who is we? It's just Clippy Overlord. It's like, keep the name. Keep the name. Why didn't they just make this Clippy? Come on. Man, Clippy had a good brand. Yeah, he had a good brand. Well, I guess I'm happy for now that the difference between us being existentially

worried about the future of our business and not is the fact that our videos are kind of entertaining which is cool even though at some point I'm sure they'll just start synthesizing interesting 30 second clips at the top of search instead of having to watch our whole review but until then we're great we're good at this

yeah this is pretty cool though because it's like the very beginning of what is about to be a lot like what was kind of funny there there was that google event in paris today where they basically just officially announced bard which is their chat jpt competitor yeah and obviously they're going to be integrating um like that kind of function into search at some point and some level whether they do it the same way as microsoft doing, I have no idea. But what was funny is in the Verge article that was summarizing the Google event,

they were like, oh yeah, Google showed off Bard, but integrated AI chat is still weeks away. And I was like, well, weeks is not that long. That's not that long. That's a snap of the fingers. Like we're starting this AI war stuff and it's gonna start moving really freaking fast. Yeah.

There's an Apple employee-only event next week, also AI-based. I think it's, like, normally yearly. I think it's different because this year they're going back in person again and also streaming, but, like, all around the same time. Good timing. I'm sure they're looking into heavy use

of this kind of stuff, too. Yeah. The day Apple decides to make a search engine. We'll check it out. Yeah. We'll check it out. We'll see. I mean, Siri's pretty bad,

so maybe it'll be awful. Yeah. But this is the beginning of a lot. I think it might be worth a main channel video. I'm super interested in the topic. Maybe let us know in the comments if you want to see a bigger, more structured video on AI.

That might be something we end up doing. But until then, I think that's been it for now. We'll keep an eye on all this stuff as it evolves. But I think it's now time to go back to the future. Or forward to the past. Yes.

Where we did the trivia answers. Back to the past. Back to the past. Anyway, okay, well this was fun. We'll definitely be back next week with another episode with lots of fun stuff. We do have to do the trivia answers, as promised, at the

end. As far as I can tell, they're not even tech questions, so I probably won't even write anything down. But let's try anyway. Mine was a tech question. Oh yeah, we have one tech question. We have a tech question and a non-tech question. The other one's multiple choice, so you have a 25% chance of getting it right. And it was user-generated, or user-requested.

Yeah, fair. Don't come for my boy George G like this. I say for the multiple choice, we each pick a different answer. Ooh, all right. Do we all have literally no idea? I have no clue. Let's get the first one. Yeah, the first question.

I didn't even listen to the types of mud. It wasn't mud. Soil! Same thing. First question. When was ByteDance founded? Gosh. This is a shot in the dark.

We can do closest year wins for this. I also will take extra points for the exact day if you get it. What? So one point for the year, two points if you get the day. Like the month and date. F*** that. One point for the year, two points for the month, three points for the day. Okay.

Wait, but the month and date only count if you get the year correct, right? Yes. Yes. All right. All right, flip them and read them boys i said 2006 we were very evenly spread out 2010 i said 2015 nice no one got it good spread the closest was andrew the correct the correct date was march 13th 2012 that's when bite dance was founded wow did did bite dance own musically

no they bought them they bought they bought okay perfectly named if you ran bite dance of course you would buy musically right yeah for the dance music but the musically thing was a um it was a acapella what is that called it was like karaoke and but you're singing and dancing along it was dancing it was exactly what the dance like original tiktok was it was like lip syncing it wasn't it was lip syncing yeah and it turned into tiktok but like tiktok's not really lip syncing and acapella are very sorry very different some of it is still lip syncing really but musically had a lot of features that uh were like specific to lip syncing like it like there was yeah the whole it was built around that yeah specifically yeah yeah anyway on to the real important stuff yeah uh inspired by

the question from george g can we please have more agricultural slash orchard based trivia i'm sorry i couldn't come through on the orchard half but hopefully this satisfies the agricultural half of your request mung beans made up not made up real bean mung beans prefer which kind of soil a silty soil b sandy soil c clay soil or D. Loamy soil I, yeah I'm gonna learn something right now, that's all I can tell you Maybe You guys both learned what mung beans were

Not even really Alright I was gonna write that, okay, I said A Me too I said D. Me too. I said D. That is correct. I was going to do that.

What we found is that you can have, so loamy soil, for those that may not know, is a combination of silt, sand, and clay soils in one. And it's the one most commonly used for agricultural purposes. So we're all right. No. It's one of those all the above answers. I don't know. However, I would have accepted B as an answer because mung beans can tolerate

a higher amount of sand in their loam. What has this podcast become? We started a new year. We started a new year. We entered the top 10 tech podcasts on Apple Podcasts. And we're just going to throw it all away. We're trying to hit some other categories. This is too much pressure.

We got to get out of here. All right. So to answer George G., can we please have more agricultural orchard trivia? No. Probably not. Not anymore. That's it. That's all we needed.

At least I got points. There will be tech questions next week. I promise. Okay. Well, that was it. Thanks for listening. That was all we needed. At least I got points. There will be tech questions next week, I promise. Okay, well, that was it. Thanks for listening. Thanks for playing along with us. We're going to get back to all the other stuff and the videos and the other stuff you guys like to watch.

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