Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Android 13 and a Tesla Swimming Pool?

Episode Date: August 19, 2022

This week Marques and Andrew talk about a Tesla swimming pool that popped up near a few Superchargers, the new Polestar EV set to come out in 2026, and Apple adding some ads into a few of its apps. Then they did into the main topic of the week: the new Android 13 update. They explain why it's a fairly minor update that you should still update to as soon as you can. This is a pretty classic Waveform episode! Links: Tesla swimming pool: https://bit.ly/wvfrmteslapool Polestar concept car made real: https://bit.ly/wvfrmPolestarO2 Tesla membership article: https://bit.ly/wvfrmteslamembership Top 5 Android 13 features: https://bit.ly/wvfrmA13 Pixel 6a review: https://bit.ly/3zr1ewm Twitters: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Shop products mentioned: (We receive a small percentage if you purchase an item using our affiliate links. Thanks for supporting the show!) Buy the Google Pixel 6a at https://geni.us/cq89dk0 Buy the Google Pixel 6 at https://geni.us/1Q7bY Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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your hosts i'm marquezques. And I'm Andrew. And Tesla wants you to sit in a wet dumpster while your car charges. You're just going straight through. Yeah, why? Like, okay. Just jumping right in. Well, just in case you're wondering what else we're going to talk about today, we are later going to talk about the Pixel 6a possibly having a higher refresh screen. And we're going to talk about how you might be seeing more ads on your Apple devices.

But yes, yes, I have a lot of quick hits in here. And I guess you've picked which one you want to talk about how you might be seeing more ads on your Apple devices. But yes, yes, I have a lot of quick hits in here. And I guess you've picked which one you want to talk about first. I just read the first bold text in our doc. Yeah, I don't know. I have to talk about this. I mean, it's a dumpster with Tesla written on the side of it. So they actually did think this through a little bit. Apparently, there are going to be, and I don't know where this is.

It's in Germany. Oh, so it's one in Germany. Okay, there's one in Germany where you park to charge a supercharger and there is a pool next to the superchargers. Yes. And you can just hang out in the pool while you charge, which so many weird things about this. First of all, I always find it funny when you advertise things you can do that happen when you take a long time to charge. Like the Ioniq 5, we just got done testing it and we're working on a video with it it has a a driver's seat that reclines all the way back and has a foot rest of kick up

because if you are charging for an hour and a half on some random slow charger you want to at least be comfortable and so you can do that but ideally you're only at a tesla supercharger for like half an hour do you have time in half an hour to change, get into a bathing suit, swim around, change back, dry off, potentially shower, continue on your road trip? I guess, maybe. I'm not totally sure. It seems like a stretch.

Just to describe this a little bit for audio listeners too, it's like it is a dumpster, not quite the one you'd find behind a McDonald's or outside of a dumpster not quite the one you'd find like behind a mcdonald's or like outside of a building that you throw trash and it's more of the one you would get if you were like cleaning out your house or like doing a renovation that you would rent and it would come on the back of a truck so you're saying like a nice dumpster like a kind of decent in lesser words i guess that's what i'm saying but not exactly my sentiment it is funny though it's a it's painted it says tesla on the side it is both over and under engineered if we're considering this a pool

it looks like it has stairs into it it looks like it has a pool cover but it also just has like cones and caution tape around it and like a hose just dangling in with water um so yeah if you want to cool off it says it's up to four people. I think you could probably fit more in there, but you know, maybe there's some safety issues with it if you go more than four. It also looks like it's just on like a construction lot.

Like there's like temporary stairs behind it. It looks fine empty, but if I came up to the supercharger and plugged in and I looked over behind the chargers and there was like three people in a dumpster i wouldn't even think about getting into that dumpster with people but then again what other chargers can you swim around fair fair they're revolutionizing the game um i like also the the article had just a couple really funny lines i'm just gonna throw one out there that was too golden not to talk about.

Quote, apparently it's meant for four occupants, assuming there are four people who fit the cross section of wealthy enough to own a Tesla and likes to sit in wet dumpsters. It's just called dumpsters. Brilliant. It's fantastic. My next quick hit here I have is, remember the Polestar 02?

They're like roadster concept. This is when we talked about when we first saw the video of the drone flying off the back of the Polestar concept. Okay Their like roadster concept? This is the one we talked about when we first saw the video of the drone flying off the back of the Polestar concept. Okay, yes, I remember this. Yeah, what do you, like, I feel like what I mostly remember about it is the drone and just that like, I really digged how it looked. I thought it looked really sharp. Yeah, the aesthetic of the Polestar is definitely the thing

that was most notable to me. I love the thing. It looks amazing. The specs, I think we are actually getting a little bit more information on. I do have 3.2 seconds 060. So clearly, if we want to immediately compare this to the Roadster, slower.

Right, well, yeah, Tesla Roadster. I don't know. There's no price, right, for this? Not that I know of. The main thing I wanted to talk about here is, and the reason it's in the news is because it says they set a release date for 2026 which i found really interesting i don't think we've had something that's had like that far out of the is it safe to say in the ev world we're way more used to seeing a within one year release date and seeing that being delayed

rather than like giving themselves the buffer. Yeah, we get the promise of one thing and it's usually like two, three years away. Like I'm seeing some 2024 promises, maybe 2025 as far as individual models. And then we have companies going, we'll have some electric stuff by 2030 and you don't really know what it is.

But as far as this car that you can see here, not coming for another four years, that's kind of a while. But maybe under-promise over-deliver is the way to go for Polestar. I would like to think that. I have one other, and it could be both, one other theory on this. And is it potentially just we had a really, really good first news release and it did really well.

Our clip of it did awesome. People were really interested in it. Yeah, it's an interesting car it's interesting is it like oh this died down a little bit you know it's a while away but let's throw a release date out there let's get in the news cycle again it kind of almost reminds me while still way too far away of like the uh the apple purple iphone like another another shot in the press in the news cycle or like a new one plus color news cycle refresh yeah you know my read on this yeah i read on this is they made the concept video and never had any intention of making the car but it was received so well that they said you know what let's try to make it and so they're going to need a couple years of r&d to actually get started with this and now they're

going to try to make one i like that um i have two questions for you pure speculation questions um one do you think it has the drone attached to it or give me a percentage of how likely is it to have the drone so there's zero percent chance it works exactly how we saw it in the video but but will they like find a way to build a drone into the car maybe? I'd give that a 30% chance. I was going to go 20. Yeah. I have pretty low expectations for that. Next question.

Do you think this comes out before the Tesla Roadster? Or which do you think comes out first? Wow. Well, the Roadster was announced in 2017. I think the Tesla Roadster comes out before this. I agree. Because Tesla is theoretically further along in R&D, I think, maybe. And I also have a lot of people's money. And so maybe there's theoretically some lawsuits that could start to creep up if they don't deliver a car.

Like it's been now, what has it been, five years since it took them money promising something in 2020? You know, someone's eventually going to get mad enough to say something, right? So yeah, maybe a little bit extra pressure to Tesla. I think that's funny. So like my thought on this was, I do think Tesla Roadster comes up first. But if it doesn't that means it will be going on close to 10 years since they've taken payments well yeah if they go all the way to 2026 yeah yeah that that's i've never seen anything like that in the car world i mean

there's crazy stuff in the exotic world where it's like yeah i ordered the kona seg gemera when i just saw like one working prototype and i gave kona seg million dollars, and I'll get the car in a decade, but that's a million dollars. That's for a different type of human where there's this weird Tesla Roadster cult that's like, when's this car coming out? It's got to come out soon, right? We don't know. Yeah, no, we'll see,

but I do like the Polestar idea. I'm excited for it. I love the look of this. I like really sharp lines lines so i really like the like whole stars it's really nice um we'll see i do like that it's also like it is polestar who has some cars out already like this is not a total i could see like one of these totally random companies we've warned people about saying 2026 and i feel i don't think that's interesting as a headline but this is like a car company that's making cars already giving a four to five year time which is

interesting it's like what's the craziest thing about making this car like it's a convertible two-door ev which we haven't seen any correct me if i'm wrong we haven't seen any convertible evs with long range right all the like decently long range evs are very aerodynamic and not convertible EVs with long range, right? All of the like decently long range EVs are very aerodynamic and not convertible. If there's one, it's like a very specific one. And, you know, it's not one of the main ones we talk about all the time. I'm sure there's always someone who's got some.

Yeah. So, I mean, there's a couple Tudor EVs out there. It's not that crazy to decide to make a 3.2 second zero to 60 EV in four years. You could make that today. So I, you know, I don't think this is the craziest promise ever. I think the Roadster is such a crazy promise that people are just like, yeah, it's never happening. So I wouldn't be shocked if, if Polestar over delivers

on this one. Hopefully. We'll see. Fingers crossed. Convertible. I've never seen a long range EV convertible and I'm very curious what type of, what type of stuff that does to your range. Can't be that good. Can't be good. I haven't thought of that. I'll be excited to see it. Um, and quickly last hit of the day of this episode is, um, of course it's EV related again, but we had a tweet this morning about, so it seems like the Tesla app accidentally pushed forward a new tab about Tesla memberships and then took it back. So everyone's assuming this is potentially memberships for non-Tesla EV supercharging network. Yeah, which has been rumored. And I've seen probably at least once a month someone going, it's happening.

They're going to open up superchargers for non-Teslas. And then it's just quiet. It doesn't happen. I like what are you talking about i have a non-tesla ev i'm waiting for it to be real let's see it uh so yeah when i finally saw we saw another tweet this morning yeah breaking tesla has announced this membership program i'm like sure i i hope so and then i i look in my app and it's not there. And I'm like, I don't believe you. But it turns out this was potentially an accidental publish, maybe with a typo in it.

So what we observed was a screenshot that showed two tiers. One, pay per use. So pay as you go supercharging. You get access to the Supercharger Network. Or two, membership, 99 cents per month. So pay as you go supercharging, you get access to the supercharger network or to membership 99 cents per month and you secure lower price per kilowatt hour. Now, 99 cents a month sounds amazing. And when this disappeared from the app, like an hour later, we suspected that might've

been a typo that they need to fix. Yes. Might be, might supposed to be typo that they need to fix. Might supposed to be $9.99 a month. Yeah. So let's start with, I think the main assumption and for most people here is just that this is, like we said, for non-Tesla EVs being able to use the supercharging network. And the reason we kind of think that is we're already seeing that in Europe. That is a thing in Europe already. And because Tesla applied for funding from the government to expand the supercharging network and to do that their network has to be available to more than one manufacturer so it's hilarious that it just

says more than one yeah that's what i the one article i was reading from like electric said it has to be open to more than one manufacturer so there's also two or more yeah i mean assuming that's going to mean everyone because that should mean cs ccs yeah um but so that's what we think is going to happen the 99 cents a month a lot of people think is a placeholder um in comparison to rates in europe it's approximately 12 usd a month so like 9.99 sounds much more reasonable there or anything $0.99 per month. Like I think, I don't think $0.99 a month is going to be that. But other than that, there's, I saw one other theory that this might be, and that is that this actually isn't even for non-Tesla EVs that, because nowhere on the page does it say that, right? It says membership.

This could potentially just be a membership for Tesla owners for using the supercharging network and maybe could combat the rising price of electricity in the future by getting lower price per kilowatt hour. Yeah, and that is also very possible and I think it could be interesting to see. Basically, you're gonna have to do a calculus

of how many supercharger miles do you drive to see if it's worth it for you or not. Me personally, lately, I only use superchargers when I do road trips. And if I look at my charging history for the past like eight months, since like January of this year, I've only done like one road trip where I use a supercharger. So I would definitely not pay $9.99 a month for the membership. I would do pay as you go. But if I was somebody who does like, like I don't have one in my garage and I rely on a local supercharger all the time, or I do tons of road trips or something like that. Yeah, I would pay $9.99 a month and secure that lower rate. Probably seems like you'd save the $10 with the lower rate. But again, that's the math you got to do. But yeah, that'll just have to come back later

when they fix whatever they need to fix because it's gone and might as well not exist right now. And we'll figure it out when they eventually set it live again. Yeah, I think overall, if this is for, I mean, like we've mentioned a hundred times, we're all very open and eager for this to be available for other EVs.

The only con I see coming to this potentially is if you're a tesla owner and you already are living in an area where superchargings can get pretty like crowded now you're gonna add more cars to that and like you might have a longer wait time that's a thousand percent my only concern we have a i've probably mentioned this before we have chargers here at the building that we're at and there are lots of teslas around people who use the space in this building but there's also like nissan leafs and there's also chevy bolts and there's also a bunch of plug-in hybrids yeah and for some reason it's always the plug-in hybrids that are plugged in in the front of the building when those are the ones that need it the least theoretically if you're a battery ev obviously you can't like just drive away and like you know

if you have no battery you have no battery but it always seems to be the plug-in hybrids that get the spots in the morning so i wonder like if they the superchargers open up like people who are already getting superchargers that are like full or like typically have a short wait does that turn into a really long wait because now every ev and maybe even some plug-in hybrids are taking the spots don't know yet hopefully not too crazy i feel like i wouldn't see as many plug-in hybrids in so a supercharging network feels more like a like gas station to me where that's somewhere in between your trip whereas like at the building, you may have bought a plug-in EV

and you commute close enough to where you're trying not to ever touch gas, right? So like you're trying to get that 20 miles each way. You're parked all day. You just plug it in in the morning. And then when you leave at 5 p.m., you unplug it. Yeah, and you just never touch your gas and your gas is for those longer trips.

So maybe that wouldn't. I also, one more disclaimer before we go to trivia um just in case this wasn't obvious i did see a lot of people on twitter seeing the like 99 cents or the 9.99 and thinking that's really cheap but that's just for access you're still paying for the electricity that you use for that charge just at a somewhat lower rate we don't know how much lower yeah exactly yeah well that's pretty much it we'll probably talk about this eventually again in the future when it sorts itself out i think the next time this is like this is way closer because we actually saw it in the app but i i'm pretty sure

the next time we talk about this will be the actual launch we'll try not to give this the news cycle every single time it gets mentioned because our whiteboard just uh erased to zero on days since this was announced um yeah cool uh trivia let's get into trivia all right everybody welcome back to another week of trivia i decided to tone it down a little bit this week um but i'm pretty excited for this first question because it's something we talk about in the office a fair amount. So, question number one for this week is

put the following products in chronological order. The order they came out. Google Pay, Google Wallet, and Android Pay. Oh, man. Okay, yeah, and Android Pay. Oh man. Okay, yeah, fun.

Yeah. Is it fine if I have follow-up questions? Sure. Because I will. We can get into it. Get into weeds. Perfect. I'll have those when we get into trivia answers. Later. Until then, let's take a break. Tis the season to treat your family to the great taste of Popeyes.

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right to your door on Skip. All right, welcome back. I have a Mark Gurman article here because we always love Mark Gurman articles about Apple potentially increasing the ads that we're seeing in their software from like, you know, iOS, iPadOS, Mac, and everything, which I thought was kind of interesting, because we all know Apple as being this company, and they have some really, really good privacy restrictions, including what's it called where you have to allow... You can ask apps not to track you. Yeah, exactly. So they have the Apple tracking program or whatever

for different apps to not be able to sell ads based on all your information. Yeah. Interestingly enough, recently there was an earnings call where during that earnings call, Tim Cook specifically mentions out their ads department. And outside of that, the vice president of their ads department said that they want to essentially increase revenue from ads.

They basically, they took a hit pretty hard during COVID. And they want, they were right now creating about $4 billion in revenue, but they said they want to hit double digits of that. Poor Apple. Yeah, poor, exactly. Right now, the main ads we're seeing on Apple devices are the news app and the stock app has just kind of like regular ads you'd expect to see in almost any article based website. And then like inside the app store, you have the like recommended apps when you're searching

something. You can pay for ad placement up there. Right. Which at this point already seems like kind of a uh you're paying for like a thousand dollar phone and now it's a little weirder when the stock news app and the stock stocks app and you're yeah i guess that is the funny part about like the iphone experience which is like some people bought a thousand dollar phone some people bought a four hundred dollar phone they're all getting the exact same software experience though. So yes, it will affect people who spent $1,500 on a phone. Yeah. And so that's

kind of where we're seeing most of this right now. I also, do you pay for News Plus? I recently unsubscribed. You recently unsubscribed? Yeah. Did you notice you were still getting ads in that, in the subscription-based model? I unsubscribed because i wasn't using it so i didn't notice too much but i believe you i would like someone to confirm that for me but according to the article there are still ads in the ten dollar per month news thing but it is fewer than if you weren't paying yeah so the thing about yeah i mean i pay what is it 12.99 a month for youtube premium and there are ads, and I'd like to keep it that way. So to pay $10 a month for Apple News, and you still get ads, but it's just a little bit less,

I kind of just want to pay for zero ads. But Apple wants to make money from ads. Exactly. And I agree with you. I think almost all platforms should be like that. I think a lot of people say Twitter Blue, paying $5 a month should eliminate ads from zero ads. Like that makes them, I think more people would do Twitter blue just for that than all the other garbage that they're

suggesting. And having a payment tier for slightly less ads, but not zero ads seems like you have too many ads. That's like a thing that shouldn't need to exist. It either has you pay for zero ads or you don't pay and we support this free content with advertising. But if you have so many ads that people would pay just to have less ads but still have some ads, that seems kind of excessive. Yeah. But yeah, I would rather there just be zero ads. We are seeing more and more of that, like Hulu and stuff like that. We have mentioned it before, how Netflix might be going a tier down. And I kind of understand it.

I understand maybe you want to pay less per month and have some ads. It does start getting tricky on where that's going to go, whether that's going to start leeching into the full-blown payment tiers and stuff like that. But $10 a month for a news app, I probably shouldn't get any ads in it, I would think.

This is also the most public company thing I've ever heard, where it's like, we were only making $4 billion a year on ads, and the only way to satisfy our shareholders is to turn that number up. So here we go. And they want to hit

double digits that would mean over double 2.5 times what they're doing right now um which is a lot so um expect to see more ads through your apple products um i think the one so in mark german's article and we'll link it in the show notes because it has like far all the information you could ever want and all the speculation But the main speculation I saw was that we would potentially be seeing it in Apple Maps, similar to how Yelp right now. You know how Yelp is? Or Google Maps.

Or Google Maps, yeah, pretty much. You think you're getting the perfect recommendations for everything, but you can pay for slots to get into more highly recognizable areas of that yelp has been that for a long time as long as they're crystal clear about which ones are ads because i always know when i'm searching on google maps like if you're in a if you're new to an area and you search you know sushi and you you pull up the search results and you see that the first three are all ads i automatically skip those and just go to the top rated ones underneath the ads. So I hope that in Apple Maps, if you're searching for things, you have a very clear distinction of

what is an ad and what isn't because Apple Maps is a free service. So that I think I'm fine with. I think it's clear to us. I think it's obvious that that is not clear to everyone because of other places we're seeing that happen in like yelp like google just regular search how many people like you and i understand that those first three results every single time are going to be quote on like recommended or ad or paid for space right but the majority of people using stuff like this have no idea i think dang i mean i've seen family members click those all the time and it and they don't know that their ads they don't know their ads if i get something where the ad is also the first search product or the first search result under that

that i want i'll make sure i click the bottom search result because like it infuriates me i'm not trying to reward the ads yeah yeah that's fascinating well yeah no i can see i mean this is the funny thing. When Apple started putting like iCloud ads inside of the settings in the iPhone, you knew that they were pretty serious about subscription revenue and recurring revenue. And that's obviously a shift that they're deciding to make

as a company to just bring the numbers up and make a lot of money. Great. So yeah, now that they've opened that faucet a little bit, they realize, Oh yeah, subscription revenue and dollars from advertising are pretty good hand in hand combo. Let's just open that faucet completely. So yeah, this doesn't surprise me as much as it's going to annoy me. Exactly. Um, I, and like in terms of, if you're thinking of almost tripling your revenue on that, only adding it to Apple Maps,

where do you think you could see it somewhere else inside the phone? We've had Samsung in the past, and we've criticized them relentlessly for this because they deserve it, where you're getting in your notification bar ads for... There were ads to upgrade your phone for people using the brand new $ hundred dollar like fold three when they first in the first month it would it would feel like such a premium phone and you're like wow

the performance is so much better and this screen is gorgeous and look how much they redid the software everything looks great and then you get a little pop-down banner ad that's like get a new galaxy 20 off and you're like what this is what is this doesn't belong here. Such an odd, what's the word when two things are an odd juxtaposition. It's an odd juxtaposition of things. Yeah. It's, yeah, I agree with that. These premium phones, it feels really strange on. And I feel like at a certain point, it shouldn't be there.

They're clearly going to want to make more revenue. I think that's obvious to everyone. And that feel like at a certain point, it shouldn't be there. They're clearly going to want to make more revenue. I think that's obvious to everyone. And that's not just an Apple thing. That's everybody. Like we said, Samsung doesn't as well. Do you think there's any chance? So we've shown off phones in the past, like Infinix, where you are getting an extremely budget phone and you are getting that because of the fact that there are ads on the phone. Now, those are third-party ads. Those aren't first-party, which I guess Apple is still technically serving third...

It's third-party people paying Apple to be an Apple ad, which is, I guess, still third-party considered. Do you think we could ever see a reduction in price on any Apple phones as an ad version versus a no ad version no no do you think we could see that in any other phone company that's larger than infinix say samsung say google something like that a cheap ad supported phone cheaper ad supported phone same phone i could see that as a way for some of the lowest price ones to like find a way to break through to a new audience like Like you remember the Amazon Fire phone

where they had a, I'm pretty sure the Amazon phone came out where they had one price for just buying the phone. Then they also had a lower price for, I mean, this is like Kindle, like an ads and you expect there to be ads in the software, but the phone's cheaper and you know that that's what you're gonna deal with.

I wouldn't really expect anybody paying more than a few hundred dollars to ever wanna deal with with that. And saving a few bucks doesn't seem worth it. But it depends on what becomes the norm. Because again, this is Apple we're talking about. And a lot of the bigger companies, when they decide to do something, it just becomes like normal very quickly. And then a lot of people just start to accept it in other phones. And it could happen that way, but hopefully not. i think that's what this whole article scares me about a little bit is the more we're seeing apple do this and we've already seen samsung do it i just want to make sure that this is like not just an apple thing we're saying they're doing but like yeah i'm worried about the more and more this

is going to start popping up into phones and the more and more i'm going to feel like i'm watching cable television when i'm on my phone my My notification bar is not safe. My Google Maps isn't safe. My default apps aren't safe. I think this is one of the biggest reasons why I've not gamed very much on my phone is because so many games are just full of ads and they almost require you. I was playing a racing game where it's just like, hey, I was just playing the game for a while for just like half an hour of just like going through races and like winning losing some upgrading the car blah blah and then at a certain point it said like you ran out of gasoline like you can't even play the game anymore unless you like pay for gas and it was like would you like to pay for gas with tokens or by watching an ad i was like i just i already bought the game like

let me know you bought the game in a head yeah and it was just it was like you ran out of gasoline you need a you need some version of getting more gas i think this is csr racing or something like that for those who also play someone can correct me if i'm wrong but i believe we mostly have clash of clans to thank for stuff like this um because they've they were one of the mobile games that really like brought micro transactions and i my biggest issue with micro transactions is i always because they were one of the mobile games that really brought microtransactions. My biggest issue with microtransactions is I always prefer the model where it is a free-to-play game that includes microtransactions that don't give you anything extra in the game.

They just give you aesthetic properties, whereas then there's clash of clans. Pay-to-win type of games. Pay-to-win or even just like pay to advance. Like you should be on the same playing field no matter what. And then like, you see Riot is a perfect example. They're one of the biggest video game companies out there.

And their two main games are free to play with only aesthetic benefits. And I spent way too much money on both of those games. Just because you want the aesthetics. Unfortunately, yes. Yeah, I just looked it up. CSR Racing is free. those canes just because you want the aesthetics unfortunately yes yeah i just looked it up csr racing is free so this is okay it is definitely more along the lines of pay to play and also a

little bit of pay to accelerate how good you get at it because it's just literally modifying a car so yeah um yeah i don't know the world of advertising is is obviously very complicated it's how our business works, but it's how a lot of businesses work too. So it's hard for us to throw stones. Not casting stones. Just like, Hey, I, if you, that's, I think that's what it comes down to is our videos are free and ad supported, but if you pay for a product like a phone and then continue to get more ads, it feels a little worse. Yeah, I think the thing that's really throwing me is the fact that it's a default app

that comes on the phone that is then you have. And also there is a little bit of a weird aspect of that. Apple has done the program where you can eliminate being able to get tracked and get sold ads where a lot of companies, big and small small have claimed revenue loss because of that well you'll still get ads they'll just be worse they're worse but that also means they the companies selling those ads are getting far far less money so it's putting a big

hit onto them and then apple's swooping in now and saying like well we got we got that let's take that ourselves um which i guess if you're the one controlling it, good for you. They're really taking over everything though in their ecosystem. They're going to make so much money. It's going to be wild. How long do you think before they hit that goal? Let's say they just add it to Maps

and they'll also start making some more with like Apple TV Plus and stuff like that because they just recently started it with Major League Baseball. They're now running the ads on that. Yeah, they'll do it in a year and a half. I think they'll get their $10 trillion bazillion that they need. Yeah, no, we'll see, though.

We'll see. I'm looking forward to iPhones 14, 14 Max, 14 Pro, 14 Pro Max. They're all coming out, assuming in about a month basically we're actually pretty close we're getting really close it's already august august mid-august right now so we expect those in mid-september so that keynote might be pretty revealing about some of the new services that's a really good as well point how do you think they could potentially like you know apple's not going to come out at the keynote and being like we're increasing your ads it's going to be like oh no we're personalizing recommendations in your default apps how they spin it you're saying yeah yeah what's the spin gonna be it's fantastic yeah

they'll find a way to say like we're gonna find new ways to recommend you apps and games you've never heard of and seen before and also this isn't even like when they're at wwdc and they're talking to developers developers specifically are people who want their apps and games to be seen by more people and they want to make more money from their apps and games uh so in a keynote for wwdc they could be a little bit more direct yeah like we want to help you reach new audiences and increase revenue but uh the iphone keynote is just talking to everyone buying an iphone that's they would never say that they would want to say something very positive and spinny and i'm sure they're already writing it

allegedly it's already in production i think that's probably not a surprise production the keynote video which i guess is so they're doing some in-person events and they're doing some uh i guess i went to one in-person event wwdc but it was a recording and we all went to the event to watch the recording so they're still doing this big recording and then playing it back on stage i don't know what the september event's going to be it might be the same thing. But yeah, who knows? Allegedly, they're recording something now. Do you know where you heard that from? I've never thought about how far in advance they do it.

I think Twitter somewhere. I wish I remember. I didn't save the tweet. We don't see more leaks from the early productions of live stuff like this. I'm sure that is the most tightly guided production ever because Apple has their own internal production. But we're also not seeing it from like when Samsung has been doing it either. Or I guess they're doing more live. No, they're still doing recorded. They're doing recorded stuff, but they record it like indoors. Like nobody has to see

them outside. Like if they tried to do something like in Times Square, like here's the new Samsung Galaxy. Somebody would record it from the street, but this is all, like, super inside protected stuff, so it never leaks. The presentation never leaks, and the products already never leak. That's not true.

Ask Google. But, like, the presentations. Like, all these secretly guarded products get, like, leaked all the time. But those get leaked outside of them, like, recording videos. Those get leaked in other parts of the supply chain, on their way to the supply chain on their way to the stores on their way to the whatever getting tested but the actual presentation which is curiously probably the stuff that i'm most interested in seeing i want to see the behind the scenes i really want to see behind the scenes i want to

see the edit bay like where they edit those things where they're putting together all those graphics and those transitions which have like a combination of like 3D and practical and like the tours around Apple campus through drone shots. How much of that is a drone? Does Media Arts Lab make the Apple keynote films? Do you think they have them do that or do you think that's like just their ad campaigns?

I think, well, that's a good question. I imagine it's all internal Apple teams. Right. And they have their own production team who is probably working on all that stuff. Right. But I don't think they'll ever tell us or tell me. I think they would tell you and they would tell anyone else.

Well, the thing is we will never be able to see that because of all the like embargoed stuff that is in the production. So like while they would potentially be willing to like invite somebody to actually see how it's made behind the scenes, it's giving up way too much information way too early. So that will never happen. Well, what if they let us record, like show the behind the scenes process

of making one of those keynotes, but then everything is embargoed until the keynote? That would be amazing. It would be incredible. And if you're listening, Apple, we would love to do that. That would actually be the sickest behind the scenes ever. I feel like with Apple,

we find out information from them the latest out of everybody, and they still might not want you to even know any information that's being but like do you really want to see the behind the scenes of like you saw the samsung presentation oh no no i don't care at all it's not as good no i want to see the amazing production that they put together i want to see how they make that i think they're just worried about the information that's in that production i mean we're embargoes are pretty pretty good

somebody would do it eventually hopefully they'll soften up a little bit. We'll soften them up a little bit. Give a little behind the scenes. Maybe someday. Anyway, we've got to take a break. We'll talk about the Pixel 6a in a second and also Android 13. But until then, trivia time. Alright, this trivia question

is dedicated to all the Garden Staters in the audience. Reconstituted discs of New Jersey breakfast pork are commonly and correctly referred to as... You want to fight? I think we're going to disagree on this one. I think we've called it different things. I mean, we'll explain later yeah we'll get there later at the trivia answers

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android came out in beta there wasn't really enough new stuff in the first beta to do a video on the new features so we waited and then another beta came out and there wasn't really new stuff there so we kept waiting then another beta came out there wasn't really enough new stuff there and then it just dropped early aosp before the 7. Usually you have to wait until the new phone to get the stable new version of Android. This week we just got Android 13. Now, you'll only get it on a couple Pixels, the newest phones. I flashed it on my Pixel 6 Pro.

Flashing it does wipe the phone, so maybe there's a little extra benefit to me wiping my phone and setting it up from scratch. But I have now been using Android 13 on the Pixel 6 Pro for a solid 24 hours, and it's been very good. That's usually how it starts for me. It usually starts very good. But I did a video on the new features,

and there is some pretty cool stuff. Definitely watch the video. I think one of the most interesting ones is, apparently this is one of the most requested features of Android for the past couple years which is app specific languages so yes if you are bilingual if you speak two languages but maybe you only use one language in a certain app one or two apps that you use maybe it's like whatsapp or like a you have a family group chat another app or something like that that's just another language over there.

And you don't want to have to change the entire system language to properly use the app and the keyboard in that app. You can now go into the system settings and switch over just one app to a different language. And it will change everything about the app to the new language. And you can just work in one language in a certain app. That's pretty sick. There's a bunch of other little features like that all sprinkled throughout android 13 um i think most of the changes are bug fixes like it feels like android 12.1 or 12.2 to me

which is fine that's it kind of sounds like fantastic yeah it's what android 12 like would have been nice if it was when it came out a little more stable a little less bugs it's been smooth for me no problems uh but again i'm gonna have to keep my eye on it because you know this is how pixels usually start out for me but it's really good there are uh way more wallpaper customization settings there's like 16 different color options now my disappointment on the home screen is to see this themed icons thing. I've seen a lot of Twitter posts about this. So when that first came out, it was just Google apps. So if you check that box, it themes all of your Google apps on your

home screen to be like monochromatic to match your custom colors. And in this new version of Android 13, it was supposed to be able to theme like everything. I checked the box. It definitely doesn't theme everything. That's a lofty goal. Yeah. So it's still like, and I have, I have some pretty common apps, Spotify, Instagram. They don't theme those. Like there's a lot of apps that don't get themed. That's what I found really interesting. I think, uh, Daniel Bader posted a picture of his home screen and looking at it it one it looks terrible because like he had maybe 12 apps on his home screen and probably four of them weren't matching with the rest of them but it seemed like the four that weren't

matching were really like you said spotify but then he had some other apps that i never heard of before so it's really weird that the the super general ones aren't getting skinned where the some like totally small scale programs i've never heard of it is truly a head-scratching combination like a lot of the google apps not all of the google apps but most if not all of the google apps are all like skinned like youtube google drive, all that stuff. But like Google Wallet isn't skinned for some reason. And then Instagram and Spotify aren't skinned. But you know what is? Relay Pro.

Really? The like third-party Reddit app? Yeah, that one's skinned for some reason. And Pocket Cast, my podcast app. Like it doesn't really make a lot of sense which ones are versus aren't. So my biggest problem with that is unless you happen to have a home screen

that only uses skinned apps, it feels like I would never turn that on if it weren't all of them on my home screen because it would look so bad. I was really looking forward to being able to flip the switch and just have a nice, clean, monochrome home screen. But the dream is dead. It doesn't work. But yeah, Android 13 looks good. A lot of of smooth stuff a lot of good features in here uh worth checking out the video on my top five i'm very interested mostly in the fact that

you said it feels like a lot of bug fixes because i am still using my pixel 6 i am increasingly still having more and more bugs. I think I've mentioned a lot of them. I have a screenshot here that I just showed you a second ago but it is hilarious to me. I think I've mentioned before how my search bar on my home screen will, despite always being forced dark mode on my phone, every once in a while and happening probably two or three times a week now

will turn to light mode. And I've said, it's just just annoying it's mostly an issue when i'm trying in the dark and now i get a white screen um so it happened to me the other day i searched in light mode and then the result came in i don't know if you can see this we can put a screenshot of the phone but if you're an audio listener the top part where it says google on the search bar is the light mode the bottom part with like your share and discover and search is light mode but the middle results are all dark mode it's weird it was really strange um it's just like another weird thing that happens that you like that's noticeable that's just something that feels like it's constantly going wrong so i hope there's some bug fixes because i have a lot um so do you or do you have the download pending or no i don't know

did you also see um i can check right now but did you see how apparently some of these uh some of the over there updates for this were actually just putting people giving people android 12 downloads, like full two gig downloads to just put Android 12 on their phone when they already had Android 12. I thought that was fascinating. Very odd. It was very funny.

I did flash it like manually, so I didn't wait for the over the air update, but it worked out for me. Obviously that was a little more foolproof, but it wiped my phone. I do not have the update right now, but now that you've used it for 24 hours, do you think it's worth doing the update right away,

or would you recommend most people wait? No, I'd say update. Update. Again, if it was some huge thing, like a bunch of UI changes and a bunch of crazy features, and maybe some of them weren't stable yet, I would say wait, but this really is like Android 12.2.

It's a lot of fixes and a lot of improvements. They moved the settings in the quick settings down. See, you know how it's typically right here in the middle? Yeah, they got it down there in the corner where a little more little power button down there. So I think that's good. A lot of good changes. One last question on that. Do you think this could potentially be dropping it early to have more people using it and maybe get a couple bug fixes out of 13 before they launch it with pixel 7 because the whole one of the big things that really hurt pixel 6 was the bugs that came with android 12 with that yeah it is odd that it launched early that is an interesting theory uh if it is their intent, I think it'll work

because they now have a month of some early Pixel adopters and some bug reports to really lock up Pixel 7's experience before it comes out and then go super hard with Pixel 7. I can see that. I think that's a really good idea, honestly. You get that and you get to just build a little bit of hype potentially a month or two before the release. And then they're not going to do an event showing it off.

They're going to do it at the event anyways. So why not build a little hype behind it? The clipboard stuff is cool. I think a lot of the features too, if you read up on Android 13 are tablet focused and which basically keeps surrounding me. Oh yeah, right. They did announce that they're going to have a tablet

coming out in like next year sometime, including universal copy and paste between the phone and the tablet, which already exists for some other phones, but it'll be built into Android, so that'll be cool. But yeah, whenever the Pixel tablet comes out, that'll have a bunch of cool features too. With the Roadster?

Yeah, exactly. Did you see the couple people found out that on their Pixel 6a you could unlock 90 hertz yeah people were tweeting this at me well because i well first of all okay my big complaint big complaint i'm putting this in air quotes i think the pixel 6a is a really good phone my biggest notable downfall of the pixel 6a when you compare it to other phones in this price range is well this one's still 60 hertz so while it fast, it isn't as smooth because that high refresh rate helps it feel smoother. A lot of people fired right back at me for that. How could you all, you know,

60 Hertz is plenty. Yeah, obviously lots of phones are 60 Hertz still, but if you're going to be buying a new phone, most new phones for 500 ishish will give you a higher refresh rate. Sometimes it's 90, sometimes it's 120. And as someone who has used a lot of phones, it's something I really think is worth getting at that price. So I noted that about Pixel 6a, but now with this headline, a lot of people were sending this at me because apparently this was an intentional choice by Google, now knowing that the panel that they're using actually does support 90 hertz, potentially even 120 hertz. It's confusing.

So it's a nice, flat 1080p OLED display that is capable of running theoretically at 90 hertz and refreshing at 90 hertz. But Google is locking everything with the pixel 6a at 60 hertz yeah from from everything i read is like there's and there's quite a few people who did this and it seems like a total pain in the neck if you actually want to do it is a very hacky way to do it yeah um but there are people who are getting 90 hertz out of their screens they're running multiple benchmarks to show that it's 90 Hertz and showing videos and pictures of it, which is also kind of hard to confirm, but I think enough

people have done it where it seems like it's totally believable that, that this is happening. But, um, it's so funny because it's like, it's clearly not the same group of people, but it is really funny hearing people get mad that I called out the 60 Hertz on the pixel six a, and then theoretically a bunch of the same people are going, but look, it can do 90 Hertz. I thought, I thought that didn't matter to you. I thought you didn't care about 90 Hertz. Oh, you, oh, you do care about 90 Hertz. Okay. Well, yeah, you can also buy a pixel six by the way, if you really want 90 Hertz. Yeah. From everything that I read of what you have to do, it seems crazy hacky. It seems like

it comes with a lot of problems. Some people have crazy green tint on it because the phone's then not calibrated for how it's seeing the screen. And then also, a lot of people were saying that they were doing it, and then they would get the new option that says smooth display,

and then they would turn that on, the screen would just go black. So I would highly, highly not recommend doing this to your phone. I think you need to be pretty like kind of an expert or like pretty experienced to be able to do it, but it probably shouldn't be done.

I'm sure Google kept it at 90 for a reason. I don't think they're, sorry, 60 for a reason. I don't think they're trying to hide all that much from you. It probably just makes far more sense at 60. I'm also pretty sure this won't be the first or last phone that has a display that is technically capable

of a higher refresh rate that is locked at 60. I did see mention in here that apparently there was an Asus phone at one point that it was advertised as 120, but you could unlock it to 160, I think. Oh, wow. Well, I mean, sure. But yeah.

Yeah. So my continued rampage against 60 hertz phones including all of the iPhones that are super expensive and don't have high refresh rate will probably not end anytime soon so fair yeah but it is kind of interesting seeing that this is an intentional choice uh I will say this is one of the questions we have at the end like if how many extra points would you give the Pixel 6, say, if it had a higher refresh rate out the box? I wonder how much it would affect things like battery life and overall efficiency of the phone.

Google probably made that calculus already, which is why they landed on what they decided to land on. But yeah, we'll see what Pixel 7's lineup looks like. I'm going to be very curious about that lineup, the pricing, the phones, the features that they launch with, how they follow up Pixel 6 with a Pixel 7 and a Pixel 7 Pro.

And then waiting a few months and then a theoretical Pixel 7a. What does that choice look like for Google? We'll see. But yeah, I think that's it. I'm still so hard in the the group i really think they should just release all three at the same time i wouldn't be mad at all but like also the

the iphone se is like mid-cycle the uh even the the nord for one plus is mid-cycle like they don't but don't follow what one plus does i would try and do the opposite of what plus that's what one plus does so totally fair okay well yeah we'll leave it at that trivia answers i i feel like there's could be a potential i i feel optimistic today which probably means i'll get everything wrong all right let's wrap up this beautiful day of trivia. All right. So question number one was, put the following Google products in chronological order. Google Pay, Google Wallet, and Android Pay.

Now, does it matter who goes first? Do we know? I kind of have my logic. I mean, I have one. We are working on a different way of doing this. We will continue to do it. Do we know? I kind of have my logic. I mean, I have one with, we are working on a different way of doing this. We will continue to do it. Now it'll take where we want to make it fun,

but I can talk to my logic. Okay. What I think the answer is. Do you want me to just say mine off the top? If you want, because I have no logic. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Reverse what you said. So pay wallet or Android pay, Googleet, Google Pay is my answer. I'm close. I think Android Pay, this is hilarious because they're all so basically the same thing. But Android Pay, I believe, was first because there was Apple Pay, there was Samsung Pay. I think that's just the first thing that they called it. there was Samsung Pay. I think that's just the first thing that they called it.

And I know that Google Wallet is the newest version that encompasses what used to be the Pay service. So I think it's Android Pay, Google Pay, Google Wallet. No, isn't Pay the new one? Wait, what's on my phone? I looked now, so I can't. So I waited until what's on my phone i looked now so i can't so i waited till after i gave my answer and looked oh i guess i don't have it on my phone what you have a pixel wait yeah come down from the top there we go where's my wallet is a wallet or pay it doesn't show up this is what does it show up for you this is what i have what do you have g pay google pay so google pay i'll accept g pay and google pay as being the uh okay well and then

it says welcome wait you have g pay on your phone it says g pay and then it's called it says welcome to google pay but my my pixel says show access to wallet from lock screen does it yeah what version of android are you on 12 you're on 12 oh wait no i have a wallet also wait okay now i'm very confused yep i'm glad i went with no logic i think my logic is the wallet includes pay because pay is the service that you can use to like pay for google play services or like pay for google subscriptions and things like that inside apps and then so the wallet includes google pay but also includes other cards and gives you like the cards you can pay with like tap to pay with tap to pay and things i think you're right so i think it's i think it's judging by ellis's reaction to

seeing i g pay i'm pretty sure you're right. Okay, so Marques, you're really close. I think close enough for points. I'll take the points. So you're right. Android Pay came out in 2015. Then Google Pay came out in 2018. And then they both got combined into Google Wallet in 2022. The part that you left out is that in 2011, Google put out a product called Google Wallet in 2022. The part that you left out is that in 2011,

Google put out a product called Google Wallet. So there are two Google Wallets. Google Wallet and Android Pay got merged into Google Pay in 2018. And then both of those got renamed to Google Wallet this year. I remember David ranting about this at some point. This question took so long to research to find the answer. Wait, just duo me.

Is the real answer to this... The real answer is Google Wallet, Android Pay, Google Pay, and then Google Wallet again. So you have to use one twice? That's crazy. But I think, I feel like that's I feel like you're close enough for jazz. I was like 75%.

Yeah, I feel like maybe Adam will disagree, but he's not here, so I'm giving you points for that. We did a thing before where like the closest one would get the points. I think you should get the points. Alright, but now the real heater of a question. The real tech question. Yeah.

Reconstituted discs of New Jersey breakfast pork are commonly and correctly referred to as... I'm going to not get the points, but stand by Taylor Ham. I'm not going to get the points. I respect the decision. But I'm standing by it. It's pork roll. It is pork roll.

Incorrect. It's Taylor Ham. Sorry. I go and I have enough anecdotal evidence there needs to be somewhat of an can you explain a little bit because this is ultra regional okay I went to school in Hoboken and there is a really really nice bagel shop on the corner of 7th and Washington I believe on my way to campus and anytime I went in there I got a Taylor ham egg and cheese and that's what it said on the board and it's Hoboken and it's a bagel shop and it's just like whatever they say all right so

that's where i got it and then i moved and i also had a bagel shop near me when i moved and they also i guess i didn't ask for pork roll but i i got a taylor ham egg and cheese every time and they made it exactly how i wanted it and that's just what I call it. Yeah. Yeah. To, to explain if you didn't get what it was by reconstitute pork disc. Um, it's like a, it's a breakfast meat pretty much similar to like Canadian bacon, a little fattier, a little more processed. I think it's like the hot dog of Canadian bacon. If the hot dog was a breakfast disc, that's what it is. We love it in New Jersey. It's ultra regional. Like you can probably find it in philly and new york city but like yeah it's very very common in new jersey um and it is like there are two there are two arguments in new jersey and that is which we had during the break um for a very

long time this is gonna be a long episode to edit but is it pork roll or taylor ham what is the name of it so taylor ham's the company and pork roll is what it's called. Interesting. Um, and then it's, is there a central Jersey or not? Which is like, which is a funny,

it's like spare you that. It's like Kleenex and tissue. It's like, exactly. It's all a bandaid and bandage, but you better be eating Taylor ham branded. North Jersey calls it Taylor ham. South Jersey calls it pork roll. That makes sense. It's generally the central Jersey calls it Taylor ham. South Jersey calls it pork roll.

That makes sense. It's generally the central Jersey calls it what? With that, thank you for tuning into wave form this week. We appreciate everything. We'll catch you guys next week. Getting busy soon. Oh,

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