Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Apple iPhone 15 Event: USB-C Everything!

Episode Date: September 15, 2023

The iPhone FINALLY has USB-C, but that wasn't the only new thing Apple announced this week. Marques, Andrew, and David are back at Apple Podcasts Studio to discuss everything announced at the latest event. They talk about both new Apple Watches, the weird five minute skit about sustainability, iPhones, and more! Then we go over our predictions from last week before wrapping it all up with trivia. It's a fun one this week! Hope you enjoy. Shop products mentioned:  Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max https://geni.us/7LuO6 Apple iPhone 15 Pro https://geni.us/qihGc Apple iPhone 15 Plus https://geni.us/cJRuq Apple iPhone 15 https://geni.us/WcUKlt Apple Watch 9 https://geni.us/8KDr Apple Watch Ultra 2 https://geni.us/s4gvn Apple AirPods Pro Gen 2 MagSafe Case USB-C https://geni.us/sxFnBcM Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Instagram/Threads/Twitter: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https:https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This is for you. The Canadian Armed Forces. A message from the Government of Canada. Alright, what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez i'm andrew and i'm david and if we sound a little bit different well played we haven't said much but you've already picked up on the fact that we're in a different spot than usual and if you're watching it you can tell it looks a little bit different that is because we are still as we record this out in California at Apple Park because

We're a day after Apple's Wunderlust event. So we've got these nice chairs here We've got this nice setup courtesy of Apple's podcast studio and over here actually Adam and Ella says as of right now have twice as many microphones as usual. We're up. We're still going to only use one, though, even though I just broke that rule. Yeah, they've got a podcast table. They've got the producer table over there. And we're going to have a very fun episode with a lot to talk about because, you know,

there wasn't a whole ton of announcement products at the event, but there's still a lot to talk about, which is an interesting distinction. So we'll just jump right into that stuff right off off the top what do you want to start with because i feel like i think we have to start with what they started with which is a quote from the man himself fair fair fair fair god i mean how how cool is that they here yes but like they opened the event with a quote from you and you weren't expecting that right right? They did, yeah. So I'm sitting in, we kind of got separated a little bit when we went into the event.

Kind of, we were all over the place. We were scattered. I missed you guys. I missed you too. We made a rookie mistake, and we came in at the back of the line. There were no pods of seats open, so we had to take what was available. So I'm on one half, you're on another part. We're all spread out, but I'm in this sort of front corner,

and they open with this heartfelt, here's how many lives the apple watch has saved sort of classic tearjerker apple moment for the beginning of keynote then tim cook comes out and uh immediately does the thing that apple loves to do which is where they sort of recap some of the stuff that's happened since the last event one of them was the macbook air going on sale. And he goes straight into some quotes and immediately says, And Marques Brownlee said the 15-inch MacBook Air is going to instantly rocket to the top of the lineup to become the most popular 15-inch laptop. At first when that happened, I was like, did I say that? Oh, yeah, I did actually say that. It was kind of a shortened version of what I'd said in my MacBook Air 15 review.

I did actually say that. It was kind of a shortened version of what I'd said in my MacBook Air 15 review. And then the other thing that happened was when they said that, they said Marques Brownlee said, and I felt all the eyes around me in the studio just kind of go like. That's exactly what I was going to ask. How many people just swiveled in their seats to stare at you? Yeah, it was.

And I was trying to like read what was happening. I was like that. I did say that. Whoa. I saw a guy in front of me take a picture of it and then immediately tweet it at you I saw him like pull up on Twitter and then pick you and like tweet it at you that's pretty cool yeah yeah we so that's it's kind of a full circle moment I just I thought it was super cool obviously they did it was a total surprise I didn't know that I was gonna

happen but um you know we said some things about their products they chose a quote it was Tim Cook's reading it on stage that sort of validated it. And then my phone blew up for the next like hour. Sure. You mentioned though on Twitter after how like a few years ago, YouTube and what you started, like you were doing wasn't really invited to a lot of events like this and how like now not only that, but you're opening the, they're opening with a quote from you not only that then right after vision pro quotes came up you were in there as well talking about the vision pro yeah i don't know there were more quotes so it's harder to see that but yeah i think justine was in there too yeah it's again it's really cool so from a

point of not being invited to that to also we're sitting in a podcast studio on apple campus and they're helping us like like film this for us in a better spot than when we've set it up in the hotel before. So like, thank you again. This is, this is really cool, but yeah, it's come full circle. We really are up as well. But okay. So we got a couple announcements and by the way, this does not mean I'm going easy on any of these things. No, no, no. I appreciate it. It's a dark enough shadow that we can't see the people staring at us while we say this, so we're good, yeah. But we got some stuff. I mean, we knew, we made our predictions,

and we'll go over those later, but we knew we were gonna have an iPhone. We knew we were gonna have an Apple Watch. We knew some other USB-related announcements would happen. What should we get through first? What do you think? I think maybe the watch? Yeah, let's do it like how they did okay go through they also did right before that they mentioned that vision pro was on track

for early 2024 yeah they said early which is nice i like early and i like on track those are all words we appreciate when we're trying to see things better be january 1st i feel another prediction coming because when i hear early i think q1 or last day of q1 no last day of Q1. No, last day of Q1 is my, okay. Yeah. I think that's a good, that's a good target. May 31st. Final answer. Okay. It probably is. Um, okay. So the watches, so we got two new watches. We got Apple watch series nine and Apple watch ultra two. Here's the thing that struck me the most immediately was, and I was talking to you about this, David, thing that struck me the most immediately was and i was talking to you about this david there's no outside visual cue that you're wearing the new apple watch yeah other than one new color yeah the regular apple series 9 is now in pink okay there's a pink one now um but yeah they didn't

do the ultra black the ultra looks exactly the same exact titanium same coating same look same shell same size same same look i mean it is a brighter display but it looks the same so like on the street i would expect like maybe if since there's no black version maybe a new color button maybe something nothing same exact look so if you've seen one the original one too yeah yeah yeah so so what's new internally under the hood the biggest update is the S9 system on a chip or SIP as Apple calls it. It's so funny. They rebranded to system in processor. I thought it was system in package, but it's system in processor. I had to make David explain this to me when we were walking to lunch yesterday. I was like, yeah, did they pronounce chip? Just

was I confused? No, they said it again. S not okay sip okay yeah instead of sock yeah soc soc sip but that's apparently a big uh a big performance upgrade and a big efficiency upgrade it processes processes things faster makes the watch overall faster and that's great processes data from the sensors faster which is important which we'll get to in a second um and that because it's more efficient apple says that'll allow them to crank up the brightness of the displays even brighter. So the S9 or the Series 9 will get up to 2000 nits and the Ultra will get up to 3000 nits, which makes it the brightest screen Apple has ever put in anything.

Pretty cool. Yeah. I can't wait to use it outside. Very smart to do that in a very small package first and then eventually probably grow it up because it's going to get hot yeah um yeah well i don't want to talk too much about the ultra we'll talk about brightness on ultra later we'll stick with s9 um it is interesting to me that they have this new processor it's kind of a big deal because they almost reused the same processor over and over and over again they kind of differently yeah but it was pretty similar this year's a pretty big upgrade um i would think they would use those

efficiency gains for better battery life on the regular so it's funny they've been quoting this like 18 hour battery life for like every generation of apple watch for years and then the ultra has like the 36 hour whatever with low power mode but it's always the same and it seems like because they don't incrementally improve it every year or they don't aim for some big battery bump every year that that seems like that's fine yeah according i mean they haven't improved it they haven't changed it so it seems like if they get efficiency gains they'll turn them into brighter screen or something else before they turn into more battery but i think most people just want better battery life.

I agree. It's the main reason I use the Ultra. It's because I don't have to think about battery as much. I get a day or two full before I have to think about charging. But that's just me. It's also a huge watch. So it is what it is.

But yeah, battery life is the same. But the one interesting thing really is, I think it's the most interesting thing. Double tap. Double tap. Okay. So double tap, double tap is a gesture that you do with the hand that is wearing the watch where in thin air, you simply double tap your finger and your thumb and index finger together, and that will select whatever you're choosing,

whatever's happening on the watch. So whatever the primary button is in the app on the watch. So if you have a FaceTime call incoming and you double tap your fingers together, it will accept the call on the watch. If you have a timer that just ended, double tap, it'll stop the timer. All kinds of stuff like that.

First of all, I got to try it in the hands-on area. They put a watch on my wrist and they said, go ahead and try it. And it worked very, very well in person on a watch I'd never worn before. So I thought that was was super cool i did notice that when you put it on it just like worked immediately right which like brings me back to do you remember the um what was the lg phone with like the hand waving over the exact opposite experience of like seven i think so yeah it was at that like penthouse in new york uh glucose the like the vein id yeah oh my god i have so many videos

there's videos of just people like doing this over the phone like just nothing is working and all the pr people at lg are just like no no just maybe a little more like this oh that's weird it's not this is like you put the watch on and it just worked i think this is one of those features that's shipping like a month after release or something i think oh really yeah so maybe it's not perfect yet but it says available next month they said yeah but it worked pretty well for me the other interesting thing about that though um is a lot of you might be typing already so you can stop typing saying this isn't technically new yeah this has existed as an accessibility feature in the apple watch for years it being moved, being graduated to a primary feature for everyone

for a couple of reasons. I think the one that stands out is this is also the selection mechanism for Apple Vision Pro. Tapping your fingers together while looking at something on the screen selects what you're looking at. And I think if you get people used

to that gesture early, great. I don't know what that means if you're wearing the watch and Vision pro at the same time that might be kind of funny i don't know what happens i mean i think apple wants a lot of cohesiveness and how you interact with its devices right pinch to zoom is like you you do that on the mac trackpad you do that on the iphone you do it on everything hold like all their all their ways that you interact with their devices same so if they can start unloading people right now with the apple watch oh no i just realized what if they make a new mouse pinch mouse it's gonna have to be a pinch gesture well they don't want to make a mouse because everything is just going to be floating interesting yeah fair yeah but the other interesting thing about um so yeah so you've been able to do that, but this feature is not coming to older Apple Watches.

And I found that kind of curious because it's in the accessibility settings. Why isn't it also graduating to a primary feature? Apple says, when asked about that, basically the new S9 system on a chip is fast enough that it's able to process all the information from those same sensors, the accelerometer, the gyroscope,

the heart rate sensor faster in a way that they're comfortable making it a primary gesture where this accessibility feature was not a primary gesture. It does seem better. Like I think Adam and Ellis had it pulled up on their watches when we got back. It doesn't work well. It's nowhere near as good.

Wait, what? No, no, no. I have yet to have it fail a single time You both have showed me and it's failed both times No no no Text me right now text me right now I'll prove it I'll do it on camera

I was using it on my watch and it was not doing it very well I've only been using it to dismiss things Any other action kind of is gimmick like hit or miss But anytime I get a notification and typically we're off to swipe down hit dismiss do that whole thing Yeah I could just double tap and it goes away. I will also say the fist clench detection does not work as well as the tap detection. I think the idea, though, is it's like if you have something going on in your other hand, which happens sometimes. Like normally for me, the move is the nose.

I don't know how many of you guys are doing that. I do it so much, dude. But I do that all the time when I'm keeping bees. so much dude but like all the time when i'm keeping bees in the event no in the event it was so funny how the when they're talking about they're like yeah if you're walking the dog or you're drinking coffee and then in the cinematic it was like a man handling a swarm of bees way more extreme the dog walk is a totally reasonable aspect for that like that's exactly what i thought like i'm walking dog needing to yeah or carrying something with the other groceries there was one though.

Dismissing your alarm with double tap. That's dangerous. That's so dangerous. I'm just subconsciously going to, yeah. It's gonna be muscle memory. None of you guys are gonna show up to work anymore because it's gonna be noon and you're like, I've been double tapping the snooze all morning.

That is a dangerous one. I mean, so there's kind of a moment where you raise to wake then it lights up then you double tap so if you're just like hand resting on the couch double tap that's not going to do anything i think yeah i hope yeah please come to work i did kind of like um siri plus health where you can use siri to talk yes about things like how where your move rings at and like how you slept last night like logging data with your voice, I think was kind of cool, even though I haven't used an Apple watch, but like the workout stuff was my favorite part with it on device series.

I think the on device stuff because of that made it really cool. So that's working so much faster. Yeah. I forgot to mention the watch actually has more memory. I think it's double the memory built in now. So they're able to do all of series queries on device. And because it's double the memory built in now. So they're able to do all of Siri's queries on device. And because it's doing everything on device and it's secure, of course you can enable more stuff like ask me about my own health data. It never has to go to the cloud. Because right now it does a round trip.

I think whatever you ask it. Obviously if I ask the weather in Cupertino, it's gonna look up the weather and bring it back down to you. But if I just wanna know something like, when's my next calendar event, something like that, the fact that it could just sit there spinning, like your internet's not good enough to tell you what's on your phone.

Like, yeah, that was kind of crazy. I think that's really big. Like, I think that's a huge quality of life upgrade. When Google added this to Google Assistant, it was huge because they got way faster too. You got way faster. I remember they did this like four years ago, maybe. And I remember they were like, we used machine learning to condense the machine learning model to be able to fit on your phone. What a thug.

Yeah. So I think they're doing the same thing here, which is great. Will this make you guys use Siri more? No. No. I mean, I'm editing the video right now where the line I have is like, Siri isn't good yet, but it'll be bad way faster. Yeah. Which is better, but not good yet.

I think it depends on what you use it for, right? Because I recently started getting a little bit integrated into the HomeKit ecosystem just to test it out at home because I have these matter-enabled smart blinds. That's probably the perfect thing for it to be better at. I think so, yes, because I just ask it to turn on my lights or open my blinds, And those are pretty basic queries. But it's more of the like Googling things that it's bad at.

That's why I think this will be good inside the health app though. Yes. Like I think this will work pretty well. Absolutely. Yeah. So. I had two more quick things. I had second gen ultra wide band, which haptic plus audio feedback trying to find your phone.

That's pretty cool. As someone who leaves my phone literally everywhere. That sounds they on that note they also tripled it's the second gen ultra wide band is has tripled the range oh really so now you can um you can start finding the thing three times further away than you could before and if you use find my friends and you're like in a yes i thought that was really cool it's way easier to find people that you know. So they have either an iPhone 15, which also has the second generation UWB chip. Say that again? The second generation UWB chip.

Or an Apple Watch Series 9 or Ultra 2. Then you can sort of like navigate and find your people, which is really helpful. Give it to your kid. Find them anywhere. Find my child. And then the other thing I had, you talked about brightness, but also down to one nit for a dark room, I thought was kind of cool. The Apple Watch, I want to know the current number

because it gets really dim right now. If you're in a nighttime environment. But one nit. One nit is nice. There's so many times just in bed, no matter what device I have, no matter how dark I put it, it still feels like I'm being blinded by it. So I'll take anything that can go all the way down.

3,000 nits is brighter than the sun, so you're good. It might be. So that's the watches. I think that's basically, I mean, the other interesting background thing is, and we'll talk about sustainability. Do you want to talk about that now? I think we can talk.

Wait, wait. Before, though, they showed some new watch bands. The tan Nike silicone sports band with the orange and brown dots. Do you know what those dots are? No. Dirt. Ground up, recycled other bands. That's cool.

No way. It looks cool. I don't care what it is. It looks sick. That's he's cool. No way. It looks cool. I don't care what it is. It looks sick. That's hella cool. Yeah. I think that's the segue to sustainability because Apple had this extensive section on sustainability,

this skit on sustainability. They mentioned it countless times within individual product announcements. But one of the things is there's no more leather products at all in any of Apple's lineup at all, which as you're probably thinking is like, well, a lot of watch bands are leather, aren't they? So there's a ton of new watch bands and a ton of new fibers and threads and

recycled materials and Nike has recycled band and Hermes or however you say it has a bunch of new bands that are not leather either, so that's cool. Um, but yeah, wow. They, they went pretty ham on on sustainability they changed it to be called fine woven and it's like a it's a really tight woven mesh yes that is kind of looks like leather in a way it i mean i've held them all none of them to me feel like leather they just feel different yeah and i don't know if you want to even get into the trap of making something that feels as close to leather as possible because it's never going to like feel like leather yeah so i just think like go for other

feels go for other materials if you want leather you can get leather but like that's that's you won't get it from apple anymore something we were talking about was they're also replacing the leather in the apple stores for like the seats that you sit on little cubes that have leather inside of them they're getting rid of them And they're replacing them with fine woven seats. And we were talking about like, is this less sustainable? Because they're getting rid of leather and then shipping more stuff over to the Apple store?

Genuine question. Genuine question. If you have leather seats in thousands of stores, what's more carbon neutral? Leaving them there or getting rid of them all and shipping a bunch of non-leather things there? I understand the statement. They don't want to have leather appear in anything.

They don't want to have leather anywhere. But that thought did cross my mind. It also, it's like a lot of quote unquote like vegan leather or leather alternatives are just petroleum products. You know what I mean? Like they're plastics and petroleum products. So I don't know what they're the fine woven is probably i think it seems like a lot it's probably like i don't remember a lot it seemed like recycled was used oh of terms dinosaur

bone juice though i do i haven't thought i want to look more into this. There is a lot of genuinely good stuff being done between the recycled metals, the recycled plastics. They were able to announce that the Apple Watch is their first, quote, carbon neutral product. Now, you can't technically make a carbon zero product, but they're able to offset the last little bit of carbon emissions that they know it contributes. So it's their first carbon neutral product and they want to get the whole company and everything they do to be carbon neutral by 2030. Yeah. I think there's good stuff there. Yeah. Um, and I had a meeting and a briefing where they, they introduced me to way more of this stuff. I just don't know enough about it. I want to do so much more research and talk to more people, but I, I had this like analogy that i

made in the video which is like you know those like tiktok videos where you see a guy like slip a homeless guy a hundred dollar bill but he's also miked up and it's like a video that they're making and the comments are like you didn't really care about that you just wanted to get the clicks because you're just doing it to get the video to make you look cool yeah and it's like yeah you're probably right but also someone in need just got a hundred bucks and now it's technically a net positive it's like okay apple's gonna pat themselves on the back with an eight minute sketch with a ton of slides on every product page and with like all the stuff that's talking about and a lot of people will rightfully say like

look apple's a huge company with a ton of emissions. It's still true. But the fact that they are making some progress and doing something at all and making a show about it in general, you might not like that, but that does inspire other companies to try to do the same thing. So I can't get mad at it. I still think it's a net positive.

It's super net positive. And also, I thought the skit was good. I liked it. I thought it was funny. I thought it was way better. I thought it was way better than any other company just being like, we're doing this, this, this, and this. It was funny.

I like seeing Tim Cook. Yeah. I like seeing Tim Cook in a skit. I enjoyed the skit a lot. Usually it's Craig. We didn't see Craig this time. It was Tim in the skit. Yeah.

You want to guess how long the skit was, Andrew? I thought I looked back. It was like four minutes. It's five minutes. Yeah, it was five minutes. I think that's reasonable. It's pretty long. I think five minutes is reasonable. Before I looked it up, I would have sworn it was 10 minutes long. Yeah, it was five minutes. I think that's reasonable. It's pretty long. I think five minutes is reasonable.

Before I looked it up, I would have sworn it was 10 minutes long. I liked it. Like a 10 minute YouTube video. Yeah. It was pretty fun. You guys are watching too much TikTok. Everything's too long for you.

I want to look up how much, like how many carbon offset credits are integrated into this because there's a really good John Oliver episode on this. Yes, there is. It's crazy how you can sort of just buy carbon credits and then it's that money is supposed to go towards like offsetting carbon by like creating more sustainable things but a lot of the time it doesn't it's there's a there's so many again this gets so complicated but and in the skit i think they like kind of brought that up they addressed it's still yeah it was addressed a little bit but i don't well that's why it's like very hard to know

it's so hard yeah i think that there are some companies who genuinely are like this operation is carbon neutral and it's totally not but they just bought so many carbon credits that it can technically be on paper where like apple is at least doing like like sourcing new materials from recycled sources instead of the typical like virgin materials, like actually making parts of their supply chain more sustainable, which they may also buy carbon credits, but it's like all of it adds up.

There was a funny one where they were like, we're able to pack 25% more Apple Watches in each shipment. And I was like, sure. You're also saving money on those shipping costs. So it's both good for the environment and good for Apple as a business, which ultimately is cool.

Ultimately good. Also the Apple Watch box has always been way too big. That thing should just be smaller in general. You don't need to lay the, it's bigger than the iPhone box. It doesn't need to be laid flat. It can be, that box could still be half the box it doesn't need to be laid flat it can be that box could still be it might have to be laid flat because of the bands i don't believe that

those big bands but no you just have it make a little circle make it a little box i think it would be fun oh yeah circle square the way a lot of box watches come is it basically is like wrapped around a piece of plastic and then can come in like a cube you should pitch that idea to apple and see if they're safe. Anyone listening back? I think they're trying to like split the difference because they want to make it feel like a luxury watch unboxing and all of those It has a totally different unboxing feel

and people appreciate that. I was going to say you should see how like expensive Rolexes come. Geez. I actually have no idea how they come back. The packaging is crazy. Really? It's like a whole thing. They like present it to you. The guy has wearing like white gloves takes it off. It's like a whole crazy really it's like they like present it to you the guy has wearing like white gloves takes it off it's like a whole thing it's like when you see a bugatti delivery video and they like give you the key in like a briefcase and it's just a tiny key in the

center and you're like all right great i get it okay well you know strike the strike the balance there uh before we start virtual we just didn't say that the series 9 starts at 399. oh yeah same prices same price same prices also the ultra is the same price 7.99 yeah i think that's it We just didn't say that the Series 9 starts at $399. Oh, yeah. Same prices. Same prices. Same prices. Also, the Ultra's the same price, $799. Yep. I think that's it. We're going to get to the phones, of course, but before that, we should take a quick break.

And before that break, we should do trivia. Trivia. Oh, that feels very loud. That's bassy. Bassy. Trivia, dude. Okay, first question, pretty straightforward. Which iPhone was the first to come with FaceTime?

Oh, I know that. I think. Ellis knew it. I don't know. I think. Instantly. I have a guess. Do you guys know it?

I have a context-based guess. Wait, did we wear our whiteboards? Oh, we did. No. Damn, I forgot. Here we go. I have an iPad. Oh, iPad. We'll figure something out. Do you Here we go. I have an iPad. Oh, iPad.

We'll figure something out. Do you want to draw it on the notes app? Okay, that works. We'll figure something out. We'll all write it on our phone. You guys have about 40 minutes. And then show it. That's a good idea.

How about that? Okay. All right. Let's take a break. We'll be right back. Bye. You know what's great about ambition? You can't see it.

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Which should we start with the regular ones so that we can get people to listen to the podcast longer retention. Yeah. Good idea. Retention. Okay. iPhone 15 and 15 plus. So these at first to me, because there's so many things that Apple does where technically they're not new features. They just came from the pro phone or the previous year. I started to write it off as not a big upgrade, but then the more they got into it. And then once you hold it, it's actually a pretty thing.

I just don't like that. They started off by saying all new design. Cause let's be real. It's metallic. I would use slightly more curvy design. It is an updated design. I'll let you use that word. So new colors, a new curve radius on the aluminum all the way around wow and that no it

feels different in the hand it's less sharp it does it makes a difference yeah and then they have this like color infused back glass thing that they're doing where it's one piece of back one piece of glass on the back yeah but it goes from a lighter satin finish which that's new for the non-pro phones satin finish yeah to a darker version of the same color around the camera bumps and it's one piece of glass and it's this sweet i don't know how they do i want to point out when they were talking about how they did it they were like dynamic infused ions and i was like i don't know what you're talking about i don't know how you do it i believe you the end result is pretty cool i love that it's that it's satin now um i guess with that what they're saying essentially

is that that clear part over the cameras they can adjust the saturation of it because before it was just kind of like clear and you kind of got whatever the color came through so this time now it looks more like a an on-purpose they said they used the color into the glass metallic ion i have no idea what that means. But, you know. It looks solid. There's a new pink. There's a nice yellow.

I wonder how it's made episode about that. That would be kind of sick, actually. That would be great. I would watch that. Okay, yeah. Pink, yellow, blue. Pink, yellow, blue. Green.

Green, black. Green and black. It's just like the sea. It's kind of cool. I like that they're adding all the fun colors to the regular line now. I liked the colors a lot. I thought they looked good. Yeah. I definitely thought you meant sea like the ocean. Me too. it's kind of cool like i like that they're adding all the fun colors to the regular line now i liked the colors a lot i thought they looked good yeah i definitely thought you meant c like the ocean and i was like david what are you talking i was like all those colors kind of sound like the ocean

but like the iphone 5c oh the 5c wait did we all think about the ocean just like the ocean i agreed weirdly enough to yeah i was, sounds like the ocean to me. Yeah, pastels, totally. Okay, so specs-wise, I mean, they're the same size phone, same size screens. What you're getting now is a brighter display. What is it, 2,000 nits now? And you get the dynamic island. Yep, which I called.

You did call it? I did call it. Is that one of the predictions? It wasn't one of the predictions from last week, but it was one of the predictions from like two months ago. Okay, so it officially has a dynamic island. And it has the A16 Bionic from the 14 Pro. Yeah.

Right, so we've seen this chip before, but it is an improvement. It's going to be faster, more capable. It now also brings the 48 megapixel primary camera from the iPhone 14 Pro. Yeah. That was a pretty big upgrade. That's a nice camera.

That's a bigger sensor. And there's a lot going on with the software. Oh, there's so much. There's a lot going on with the software. And this, I think I kind of missed it during the keynote. Yeah. But basically, it's kicking out 24 megapixel images by default now, not 12. So what we were doing before is we were getting quad pixel binning.

So it was the 48 megapixel cameras, and all of them would give us the normal 12 megapixel shots. And we've seen that everywhere. images by default now, not 12. So what we were doing before is we were getting quad pixel binning. So it was the 48 megapixel cameras, and all of them would give us the normal 12 megapixel shots. And we've seen that everywhere. Quad pixel binning is very common. What Apple's doing is not quite that. Actually, it is that and also more. More. So they're taking quad pixel binning 12 megapixel image, combining it with individual pixel 48 megapixel shot yeah merging them together to

use some of the light information from the 12 megapixel and the detail information from the 48 megapixel to turn it into a detailed and bright 24 megapixel sort of like a hybrid fusion photo file yeah and that's the default now. What's a picture? What's a photo? I'm realizing how important those animations in the keynote are because just watching you

move your hands around is very confusing. It's a lot. It's a lot going on and I kind of missed that at first. But not only are you getting a new sensor and a new image pipeline

but all of that is happening now by default. And, God, there's so much more software with the pros but that's basically the new thing with the cameras i liked the portrait mode stuff that they talked about yeah i think that was

pretty cool yeah next gen portrait mode yeah it essentially is automatically capturing depth information so you don't have to turn on portrait mode it's interesting if there is a person a cat or a dog in the picture it will automatically capture all the depth information because it recognizes the subject yeah yeah if there's not it won't unless you tap on something if you tap it captures depth information so i think it doesn't want to unnecessarily capture that information but it assumes that when you take pictures of people cats or dogs you would like it yeah so you can change the focus at any point that i thought was cool how you can change focus between subjects like as well and and change the bokeh on that.

This is an interesting thing because we sort of hit this state at one point where you had to make portrait mode because all phones were like the equivalent of F32. But now we're getting these bigger sensors with these more wide open apertures. So you kind of have this combination now, but now you can sort of take part

of that computational photography that was useful before and not really anymore and bring it into the like modern smartphone cameras and now it's just fun it's like an enhancement instead of a necessity it's good I won't have to test it we won't have to try this stuff out I mean I think it'll be good

I also want to mess with the computational the AI so bad like it says they said dogs cats cats, and people. So if I get like a raccoon, we're going to get a studio raccoon. Or like a ferret, like something close. What about like a reptile, you know? I think it would still trigger. Yeah.

A reptile might be kind of far. I think it's only cats, dogs, and people. But like how do you know it's a cat or a dog? It's the same thing as Google Photos. It can recognize what something is. But Google Photos isn't 100% accurate. No, that's true. I'll get like, I bet if I search my photos.

Is this going to be a video? I think it would be fun to just see how far. Just go to the zoo. I don't want to see what. It'll work fine. I mean, you tap to focus on a ferret, it'll work. But like, if I just pointed at the ferret, will it go, oh, it's a cat? I want to know. I don't know. I just want to figure it out. What about cardboard shin? You think that would work? That'll work. I bet that ferret it'll work but like if i just pointed at the ferret will it go oh it's a cat i want to know i don't know i just i want to know what about cardboard shen you think that

would work i bet that works that'll work that cutout will be perfect i do i do think we should go to the zoo i think this is a good video that would be a great studio video a tiger is a cat but like is that good anyway good point um these are all very important questions that need to be answered in the full review so that's why that's coming later. Really makes you think. But yeah, that's a bunch of stuff. I mean, these are relatively important things, but that's not the most important thing about the new iPhone, is it? Oh, right.

USB. I forgot. The entire reason I'm upgrading. Huge thing. I forgot about that. It's got a USB-C port now. The iPhone. It was kind of funny looking at the iphone and seeing that usb port no matter

how many times i look at it it's kind of still processing yeah but it's real i haven't plugged in a usbc port to one of the new ones yet but i think when i will that's when it'll hit that's probably when that's when i'll be like gonna be like it's real my life when i have one cable we've done it which by the way it's we did it society if it's not the same but one cable yeah one cable for the for the mac for the ipad for there's still other stuff by the way that needs to get upgraded but the new airpods case is usbc so there's airpods pro case there your friends android phone whatever your laptop what surface laptop you use like everything yeah one cable yeah how sweet convenient yeah thank you europe oh and here's

another i think it's more important for us android users is i can help my friends with iphones charge now i know how many times people come over and they're like do you have a charger i'm like yeah whoops it's not that sorry claire and i both use an android so we're like that weird house that doesn't or you're like an uber and you're like do you have a car charger and like yeah and they hand it to you and it's a lightning cable. That happens a lot to me. I got offered the aux cable in an Uber once. I can still use that.

Just saying. Oh, what? Yeah. Yeah, because you can do- So do you want the aux? And I think for iPhone users, like whatever, plug it in. Wow.

Were you here in San Francisco when that happened? I think it was in New York Uber. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, that's weird. Wait, one fa- Oh. Are we going to say the same thing? You better now if you don't power out we are the same person okay there's a fascinating new feature no you go first so so there is no reverse wireless charging

but there is now through that usb port reverse wired charging yeah so you know you're going to get that c2c cable in the box you can plug in your airpods from the iphone and it will charge up the the airpods battery from the iphone battery yeah which is kind of cool but even cooler yes you're probably wondering oh you are what happens if i plug in my friend's iphone to my iphone do you want to guess me yeah nothing there's a there's a correct answer here and there's actually two answers it sounds like there's not a correct answer if there's two well there are two different scenarios one is you plug in your friend's lightning iphone with a usbc to lightning cable in which case every single time charges the the usb-C iPhone will charge the lightning iPhone. I can see why.

No matter what the battery state is. I say that because if you plug in a USB-C iPhone into another USB-C iPhone, there is a special handshake where the phones talk to each other, and they go, how much battery do you have? And the other one goes, how much battery do you have? And the one with more battery will charge the one with less battery yeah this is so chaotic i don't i want to take this where one is at 50 and one is at 51 that's a great and then it's just going to turn into like where you call two pizza delivery people they don't they don't it just everyone has it at the

beginning so you'll the funny i want to see like a phone that's at like 52 and a phone that's at 50 and it just pushes all the power yeah one will end up at 100 and the other one up at zero one or whatever yeah imagine trying to explain this to your mom i think that's still gonna work like you just plug your phone into the other phone yeah but what if it goes in the other direction or what if they have a lightning phone well you would never do it if you had more battery than your friend i'm gonna just plug it in I think this is fairly fail-safe. I think it's good. I think it's like, I have 2% right now.

If you plug in your phone into mine, can I get some of your battery? And you plug it in and it works, you're like, damn. That's pretty cool. That's pretty solid. That's pretty cool. Then they plug in Andrew's Zen phone and it explodes. I don't know what happens

if you plug in other non-handshake phones. It pulls up the Apple Store on my phone. It just says straight yeah by your mom and iphone so yeah that's iphone 15 wait so the the the cool thing about that we were talking to one of the guys during the briefing and he was like yeah i usually just like bringing one brick to an event so i bring a brick that is a magsafe charger magsafe charges my phone and I put a USB C cable in the phone and charge like my air pods with that right and therefore then you can charge everything you're like wired

chaining yeah which is the same thing people with reverse wireless charging were doing they were just plugging in their phone turning it over on its face and then putting the wireless charger earbuds on the back but like this is wired so it's yeah four and a half watts oh and fun thing we learned is that you could charge things with lightning through the iphone before question mark i think so yeah but it was 1.5 watts yep and they moved it to 4.5 right so cool so there you go four and a half watts to charge airpods can i have something irrelevant but happened during the announcement for the iPhone? Sure.

I think my favorite transition of their event was during that. And it was right after, which also they showed voice isolation for phone calls, I think was kind of cool. But right after that, she's like, of course they have apples here. And there's this box of apples

and it zooms into the road logo, like on the apples and then goes into this like road. And then they steps out onto the road. Like the music at the same time. I didn't. The music was, you know, the Marimba like do,

do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do,

do, do, you know, that like classic iPhone, the bump, bump, the classic iPhone ringtone. Oh yeah.

That, but slowed down during that transition. It was that, but slowed down. Was it? It was a great transition. It was a great transition. I think that transition and way back into the, there was one where it went into somebody's watch, into the Apple fitness room to talk about Siri plus health, and zoomed into the watch and then was then inside.

It was really cool. Apple and the transitions. And they brought drones back again. They did. I feel like they didn't do drones at dub dub it was all like visual like color animations and this was we were back yeah i had a moment where i was watching the event because it was like tim cook came out said good morning five times peaced out and then we got like the event on the stage and i had a moment where i was like do i want events back where it's just like a dude on a stage giving us a live demo? Because that's a different vibe and it's much slower.

Yeah. But as a person getting entertained, I still really enjoy the cinematic transitions and the fun. It's just so much harder to write fast as it's happening. It is what it is. I think they're both good. Yeah. Do you want to do price? Oh, yeah.

Sorry. Same price. Same price. $7.99 and $8.99 for they're both good. Yeah. Do you want to do price? Oh yeah, sorry. Same price. Same price. $799, $899 for iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 plus. They also mentioned something at the end.

It was like $800 off if you trade in an iPhone 11 or newer. That was to certain carriers. To certain carriers. Yeah. Carrier deals are insane. Carrier deals are wild.

That sounds like a wild deal. Yeah. Yeah. But then you get locked into a contract, which is the other part of that deal. To your contract or whatever.

Yeah. Boost mobile, baby. Let's go. I'll give you $ 800 bucks off your phone but then you'll be paying you'll be paying me for the next two years exactly just get pixel pass oh isn't there also um there's uh one more feature roadside assistance via satellite oh nice so i missed your leg didn't fall off but you still need roadside assistance and you're in a no service area you can get roadside assistance instead of being like 9-1-1 yeah that's super just knowing you have that yes you know it's crazy they played like the sob story video of like three different people who got like lost in the andes and almost froze to death and i

was like man as soon as they launched that satellite feature, was that last year? Yeah. They were immediately probably just having people going around being like, have you used this yet? They're shooting people into the mountains. Did someone use this? Yeah.

Because they had like three or four people who were like, I would have died. I think the stories kind of just get out there. Like if it happens to you, you just like tweet about it. Like there's an article in the paper. Like people just find that stuff. Oh, you know what though? They have all the information of everyone that's ever used it.

That's also true. So they could save somebody and then be like, can we use you in the commercial? You use the button and you get a letter in the mail. Like, did it work? They're like, well, you did just save my life. So I guess. Did it work?

And do you want to be in a video? Yeah. All right, iPhone 15 Pros. We have two new phones and again iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max they are the same screen sizes

but the first kind of notable interesting thing is the bodies are a little bit smaller and the bezels are a little bit trimmer so they're a little bit smaller in the hand thanks man I've been working out

yeah that's true but also actually I'll start with titanium. Titanium. They're titanium now. Is what I felt like about it. So titanium is both stronger and lighter than stainless steel.

I only care about one of those things. It's lighter in the hand. That's really nice to me. I don't think the stronger is going to matter. And my only reason is because my anecdotal evidence of I've dropped my iPhone on the stainless steel rails before it just gets dented and it's totally fine. That's not the part that breaks. Exactly. It's the glass that breaks. Whenever I see stuff like this, it's like, it's the glass that's breaking that I care the most about. And it's the same glass as last year, as far as we can tell it's ceramic shield and all that, but it's not

like you have like thicker, like bumpers around the corners or anything. It's like, all right, titanium is lighter and that's better. Well well and apparently titanium scratches easier and that's why they did the brushed look i like the brush look better though that's better than polished anyway i agree because it gets less fingerprints and yeah i think it just looks but yeah fingerprints and it's shiny this just like will always kind of look the same which i think is way better and brush metal looks sweet i think yeah definitely so that's that it's also got a bro row is you didn't say it's space titanium oh yeah oh sorry okay the same titanium they really ripped apart the mars rover to build these phones they said it's a class five titanium alloy grade five grade five grade five sorry great of course how

could i forget great fifth grade grade five five fifth grade titanium alloy. 5G? Aerospace grade. It's in the Mars rover. I don't know where, but it's in there somewhere. So take that for what you want. They ended the space shuttle so they could build iPhone 15 Pro. You had to use the metal, bro. They mined it.

We recycled the space shuttle. Yeah. There's a new set of cameras. We'll talk in depth about the cameras, but there's also an A17 Pro chip, which is a three nanometer chip. It's the first time they've used the word Pro in a chip, which leads me to believe they're going to keep doing that. That is interesting though. Yeah.

Because you know how they put the A16 Bionic in the regular one this year? That means next year, the iPhone 16 regular will have a new chip called the A17. They've given themselves the window to completely reuse the A16 bionic again or to make an a17 bionic that is a step below what the a17 pro is now that will probably be all the ones that got binned because they didn't meet the threshold for what they wanted yeah one less gpu car it might happen yeah i'm not i'm not making a prediction now but i'm just saying they

gave themselves that window yeah i could happen yeah but it is a very, very impressive. I mean, it's a three nanometer chip. We haven't seen that anywhere else yet. Allegedly pretty big performance increases and also efficiency increases. I hope it's a better battery life. I mean, I'm always hoping for better battery life, but there's no more, there's no faster charging, so I'm just hoping for better battery all the time. That A17 Pro chip also has a USB 3 controller on it, which means, if you're paying attention, that the other chip does not. So the Pro iPhones will have faster wired data transfer speeds, 10 gigabits per second, huge upgrade over USB 2.0. And the non-pro iPhones will have the same USB 2.0 speeds that Lightning did. 480 megabits.

480 megabits per second, not fast at all. And I said this in the impressions video, most people probably don't care. How much do you plug your phone in for real? Do you really transfer that much data? It's going to matter for the pro phones because people are gonna shoot a lot more big files, pro res video being the one that i interface with the most and i cannot wait to not have to wait 45 minutes to import 15 minutes of video every time we do an autofocus i feel like

the thing that takes the longest in autofocus is transferring the footage over like you are so efficient with those you get them out before i even know you start i think most of it is you waiting they literally take longer to, if you broke down the pie chart of how long it takes, it's like an hour to shoot, an hour to import, and an hour to edit. It might be more than an hour to import sometimes.

It's crazy. Yeah. So I'm happy about that. It's not Thunderbolt. I kind of wish they went all the way and gave us Thunderbolt like 20, 30, 40 gigabits per second. Maybe they'll do that in another future version, but yeah, I could see them waiting to push

that later to make it like we went all the way. Big update. Thunderbolt 3, baby. Yeah. I mean, it's still very capable. Like you can now do like a capture one sessions on the iPhone. I would never do this, but you could literally have like your iPhone plugged into a monitor with capture one running and just like do a live photo shoot with a hundred megabyte files flying back and forth. I would never do this, but you could literally have your iPhone plugged into a monitor with Capture One running

and just do a live photo shoot with 100 megabyte files flying back and forth. But can you imagine you're like, I'm a professional photographer. I'm having a bunch of people in my studio, and I'm using my iPhone. You can go straight to a hard drive. That's true. Yes, which also enables 4K 60 ProRes. Oh, yeah. If you're hooked up to the hard drives.

I know you love 60 fps well what i do love slow-mo is if i use a much faster drive yes i want to try this like a thunderbolt drive plug it in shoot pro res directly to that from the iphone unplug plug into my computer two minute import i think that'll be faster than just going straight i think it will be faster move yeah okay i'm gonna try that stay tuned to autofocus if i do that yeah um nice plug yeah yeah the port the port i'm pretty good at this yeah all right i think the camera is the last i just got that big no well there's also action one there's action but we also haven't talked about the colors that just you know well they're not that we haven't even talked about ray tracing okay so we've got a bucket of things ray tracing action button cameras

which one are we going to do first ray tracing just because it's the quickest okay you can do four times faster there's all right so the cameras please explain this i'm so confused so the guy named ray he okay so a lot of Android phones. Oh wait, I thought we were talking about the cameras. Oh no. He was joking. It was a pretty bad joke. What? I'm just saying. Wow. Okay. Well, you're doing it, so just explain Ray Tracing.

Tell us the story of Raymond Trace. Yeah, Raymond Trace. Many years ago, in 2018 or so, NVIDIA created this thing called ray tracing. This is the worst bedtime story I've ever heard. It's to put you to sleep. That's the point. So generally in video games, they have to like guess where

the lighting is supposed to be using this like these like fake lights that don't actually emulate real light rays because doing that math with a bazillion photons is really, really hard. So NVIDIA created this thing called ray tracing, which effectively has accelerated cores to do specifically how real light bounces off of objects.

People memed this for a very long time because they had this like RTX on, RTX off thing. Yeah. And they charged a lot more for the cards. And a lot of people would probably be like this is not that big of a deal i think it depends on what games you're playing there's there's some where they like they have it in minecraft now i don't know they actually had it yeah there's a lot of games where it looks a lot better there's a lot of games where you're like okay and it

enabled like way more in terms of like glass reflections and light reflections and stuff like that but i think you have to reflections and light reflections and stuff like that. But I think you have to be playing those like super crazy, like Spider-Man game on ultra res. And like, you'd swing by a window and like see your reflection. They could do that way better than it can now, which it wouldn't, but yes, it's on the iPhone now. I think the future when video games are even more immersive, that

kind of tech will be important. So it's good. They're implementing it now, but I think snapdragon chip started implementing that like four years ago. So it's good they're implementing it now. But I think Snapdragon chips started implementing that like four years ago. So it coming now is fun. I think it was already enabled. It's just four times faster on the A17 Pro. Yeah. Yeah. They showed us a demo that they made specifically for the Pro and it ran at 30 FPS, whereas the... It would have run at like six or seven. Six or seven FPS. Yeah. The cool thing though, regarding ray tracing is there's this whole conversation about Apple and gaming

and they were able to get a bunch of major studios to port full-fledged games to the iPhone 7 to 15 Pro. Oh yeah, like Resident Evil 4. Resident Evil Village, Resident Evil 4,

and Assassin's Creed. Stardew Valley. Assassin's Creed something. One of them. One of the 1900s. As a non-gamer, do you care? No. I don't have an iPhone.

But would you want one now? On my phone. Not really. There was a point where they said, which previously was only able on consoles, PCs, and Mac, and I just thought that was funny that they mentioned it was on PCs before Mac. That was funny.

I thought that was silly. I like how ray tracing was the easier thing to explain out of the three options we had, and here we are still. It is funny that Apple's leaning into gaming. They did this at WWDC with like, they're trying to make it easier to game on Macs with that metal toolkit thing.

And now you can just play full-fledged console games on your phone, which is like, I don't know if people are going to do that. But I know in other markets like Asia, like in China, China is like something crazy. Like 20% of Apple's revenue comes from China or something. A lot of people play games. Mobile gaming there is huge. So if they can get more people to buy iPhones because of that, they're going to up their revenue like crazy. You got games on your phone? No.

You have no idea. Alright, cameras. Hey, you got games on that thing? I actually think, I'm going to just jump in real quick to the action button. I think that's a pretty quick one. It is a new button in the same exact spot where the mute switch was on the Pro iPhones. And it is a customizable button. And I actually really like it because it is a customizable button and I actually really

like it because it's really customizable yeah it's not to the full extent that what was that button on um was it a google assistant the bixby but there's a couple I mean I think it was an asus phone that let me just literally do whatever I want yeah it's not full-on zen phone but there is a nice little ui on the iphone that lets you choose what you want it to do. You can hold it down and it by default will still be your mute switch. Or if you want, it can be a bunch of other stuff. It can be a focus mode changer. It'll go to a specific focus mode every time you press. Or it can be a magnifier.

Or it can open the Voice Notes app. It can open a camera. Yeah. Flashlight. Flashlight. I love the Voice Notes app, by the way. Yeah, I think a lot of people will find that useful. I will probably do camera

because that's what I do on every other phone. But the most interesting one is at the very end of the list is a Siri shortcuts list. And so you can basically have that launch whatever app you want. If you have a routine you want it to run, open an app and do a certain task, start a new task, start a new calendar event, whatever.

You can do that. It might be a little delay. I want to see about that. I'll try in the review but it's there and it'll change based on your focus mode exactly which is oh I did not know that yeah so if you're in the like I have a morning focus mode press it it starts your coffee maker and then you go to work press it it starts your coffee maker nice you can see what David does does series shortcuts mark as i have a question about it yeah so you hold it and then it functions the same as the silent slider does it have a really nice haptic

like yeah because the animation kind of implied that i haven't gotten to hold it great sound effect thank you i'll do it again yeah i was surprised that it's a normal button i thought it was going to be like the um macpad. I feel like I'm kind of loading up to that, but they're not quite ready for it yet. There are nice haptics behind the button.

If you just touch the button, it will do the little haptics and show you what mode you're currently in. And if you long hold, I'm forgetting the haptic pattern. It might be the same. It might not be,

but that's when you get the real heavy haptics and it's like, I'm switching. And I think Dynamic Island references like what it's changing as well too there's like a nice little animation they also mapped um the haptic pattern you get when you change into silent mode with the mute switch to feel exactly the same when you hold that so that you can do it in your pocket just like you do with the mute switch uh and then when it is silenced i believe it will show a little

silence icon in the top left corner. Like, yeah, there's a new indicator. Yeah. Okay. Even, even in the always on display mode, they want to basically make it so you're not losing anything from the mute switch. So you're always knowing what kind of mode it's in.

Yeah. Which is kind of cool. The only thing I'm missing from the mute switch is the little hint of color. Yeah. The orange. Yeah. Yeah. We were hoping it was going to be accent.

Accent color, man. Yeah. And do you know what makes me mad is it has a really nice animation screen for when you're switching things and it shows all of them in different colors. I was like, you're just showing me how nice this would have looked

if it had an accent color. It could look. If I had one. But there is a bunch of camera stuff per usual with the Pro iPhone, and I'm very interested in a lot of how well some of this will work. So, first of all, new camera system, new larger 48-megapixel main sensor. It is also doing the same 24-megapixel kickout of files by default.

Cool, great. I think the ultrawide is a little bigger too. There's a couple other modes, a new photonic engine and nighttime portrait mode shots. And there's a bunch of other stuff enabled. Here's what I was most curious by. And when I first saw this,

I was like, I don't understand this at all. But now it's way more interesting. There's a 1X button and a 2X button. And you already know what the 2X button does, right? It crops into the middle 12 megapixels.

Yeah. Then there's the 3x button, or in this case with the new 15 Pro Max, a 5x button, which goes all the way into the furthest telephoto lens. But they now also have, if you press the 1x button again, it will zoom in to 1.2x.

And if you press it again, it'll zoom in to 1.5x. And I was like, like okay is there some world where people shoot 1.5x photos so often that they want to preset for it's about the focal length yeah i think it's about it really is okay so and this is my first impression is like david was about to flip this chair i don't understand like what just crop your photo later like i don't get it it's totally fine to just shoot at 1X and then crop later. It's not. But it isn't what's happening.

It isn't actually a digital crop. So this is the correction. So what's actually happening is Apple is doing this same, like, processing that they're doing, where, you know, how they're getting a 24-megapixel shot on the full 48-megapixel frame. on the full 48 megapixel frame. They're doing that same 24 megapixel output at the 1X and again, natively at 1.2X and again, natively at 1.5X. And that's because people really like the focal lengths of 28 millimeters.

And is it 24, 28, and 35 millimeters, which is 1.5X. So if you like the focal length look of 35 millimeters over 24, you'll hit that button. You'll get to 1.5 X and it will not be a digital crop. It will be still full quality, 24 megapixel shot with all the resolution that you would have gotten at one X anyway. Yeah.

So that's pretty cool. Yeah. You can even set your default one X button to be 1.5x if you want it's in the settings you can just do 1.5x every time yeah um so that's that's fascinating to me i don't know how well it's going to actually work i really want to test it also like the 15 pro does 3x telephoto the 15 pro max does 5x telephoto how do they handle that gap between between 3x and 5x on the two phones we'll have to see is it worse on the pro will a 4x shot be worse on the pro max probably i feel like most people use 3x more than they use 5x so it's interesting that they're doing

the tetraprism yeah a 3x shot will look worse on the Pro Max because it doesn't have a 3x lens. You'll be digitally zooming in. So something to think about, but there is a lot of new camera stuff. I thought it was funny too, and now we can see where it came from. There was that rumor that the Pro and Pro Max

might get a periscope lens, but now we can just see that they saw a 3x and a 5x, thought it was a periscope lens, since it's still three cameras, except they're just two different lenses. Well, the Max is a periscope lens. Is it? Yeah.

It'd be similar to a periscope. I thought it was not quite. Well, a periscope lens and a tetraprism are effectively the same thing. Almost. So a periscope lens faces 90 degrees into the side of the phone and then reflects light once to get out.

This tetraprism lens is still facing the same way, but they've compressed the lens into this sort of like multiple reflections and then so it's still facing the same way. Not that it matters to the end user, but they have this three axis sensor shift stabilization and it's still facing the same way

so that's kind of cool. Mark has just, well, actually, David. I'm pretty sure I was still wrong in the process anyway but that's something to to note why they're naming it something different i guess tetraprism tetraprism cool i think they just use those big words to make people think it's more advanced than it actually i think it's more prisms than a normal periscope lens so maybe you might as well flex it i guess if you're apple i guess it if you got it flex it if you're Apple, I guess. Flex it if you got it. Flex it if you got it. Why not? Faster lightning or faster USB-C, we did that.

Same charging speeds. I'm sad about that. Oh, with the cameras, though, with the cameras. Now that they have log recording, you could theoretically mix it in with other footage. And Apple is apparently, I asked them about this, they're apparently providing a log transformation to Rec. 709, which is cool. Yeah.

And HDR as well. Yeah, and an HDR version of that9 which is cool yeah because uh hdr as well yeah and an hdr version of that which is really awesome they said to developers which is interesting so i feel like you might have to have a developer account to get it which is kind of weird well that should not marquez just broke if as a user i can shoot log as a user i should but then you have to pay $100 that would be insane i'm not sure on that yeah yeah. Someone's going to sell the LUT for $1 on the App Store. It's going to happen. Yeah. Anyway, but yeah, you can shoot LUT if you want.

Oh. Yeah. Spatial video. Yes. Yes. So now, so with Vision Pro, we had that meme. We did. The dad had the Vision Pro on and was pushing his face into the daughter's face and her

friends and they're like, what are you birthday cake he was recording spatial audio on especially a video yeah special video so you can only do spatial video on the pro because uh the non-pro the cameras are like at a 45 degree angle of each other but to do parallax video you have to have them in the same axis. So the way that the camera is set up in the pros is like main camera top, wide camera below, telephoto on the right. So it uses the wide camera and the main camera and just does parallax and that creates

the 3D spatial video effect. So you can watch that back. Which is so much more natural. I actually think the spatial video thing is kind of cool now because you can actually do it in different places without having to take the pro and strap it to your face and take video of it 100 crazy people already take videos of their daughter's birthday party they take special video and then they can send it to the grandma who's wearing a vision pro at her apartment that's depressing i will forever be intrigued by the decision though to

shoot that precious moment as spatial video i guess the question is what is the video like you can only view it in that because it is just taking it from two cameras maybe it can record from both is it taking the full quality from both i think so i bet it would i think it has the amount of pipeline i do not know this for sure but i can assume it's shooting from both cameras and you would have yes it would be nice if it was like you can do it straight to a hard drive now so you're good you know how live photos like you never select live photos it just always does in the background it would be cool if you selected spatial video and it also kicked out a regular video that you get and then it like, this also has spatial capabilities baked in.

I just, I know that you can't shoot 4k 120 on the phone because it doesn't process fast enough. And I just think if you can't shoot 4k 60 twice, then you can't shoot spatial 4k 60. Unless you have two ISPs, which it has, right? Well, you can't shoot 4k 20 120 now right so that whatever the max ability of the phone is right now we'll say it's 4k 60 but usually it's not like multiplicative like if you have two separate isps those don't always merge together to be able to do like 4k 120 yeah well then we should be able to do 4k 120 i think the reason

we can't do 4K 120 is because we've maxed out the ISPs we have on the phone. Probably true, yeah. So if you want to shoot 4K 60 spatial video, you won't have enough computing power to do it because that's too 4K 60, which is basically 4K 120, and we don't have the processing power.

4K 30, maybe. So you can do 4K 30. It won't be necessarily the max quality. I lost you guys so long ago. Well, it maybe. So you can do 4K 30. It won't be necessarily the max quality. I lost you guys so long ago. Well, it's interesting because you think about it from Apple's perspective and it's like they probably want everything you watch on Vision Pro

to be as high frame rate as possible to make sure you don't get dizzy. So I feel like they want you to shoot 4K 60. Yeah, that's like a 90 hertz something, like 90 hertz screen. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. You can buy 12 terabytes of iCloud storage now

that's all right that was a lot of sure it was it was it was I want to know if the family plan will be updated I think of course you do because they did mention that it was I have a family plan on every single platform. Shh, they're listening. With my family. With your family. Yes. I don't have a family, so. David, no. Anyway, because I share that two terabytes of iCloud storage with my family,

and it would be really nice if I could use 12. True. Yeah. I want to see what the pricing is because they immediately talked they immediately after they said we now have up to 12 terabytes they were like so family plan members can have even more storage together and i was like how much is that gonna cost me though because i really want more i'm sure yeah probably more they also mentioned i mean last thing we'll talk about on this i think is um price yeah i really liked how they said same price 9.99 for pro and the max is the same price as the 256 gigabyte model last time they had to explain that so hard when jaws was like

so technically it's the same price also matches last year's price with this level of storage. Yeah. Which like NAND chips are like $6. Okay. So just for those listening, the iPhone 15 Pro is the same price as the iPhone 14 Pro, $9.99. Yeah. The iPhone 15 Pro Max starts $100 more than the 14 Pro Max did. It's $11.99. But it also starts at 256 gigs of storage instead of 128.

So the 256 gig phone last year was also $1,199. You just don't have the ability to do 128. So technically, it's the same price. They're upping their base margins by $100 a unit. Well played. So interesting. Yeah. Well played.

Also, did you see the website updated that the $20 Apple polishing cloth is now compatible with the titanium iPhone? Wait, actually? Yeah. $20 Apple polishing cloth is now compatible with the titanium iPhone? Wait, actually? They updated the polishing cloth compatibility chart. Someone's in charge. What else are you going to clean it with? Someone gets paid $300,000 a year to do that.

That's incredible. Somebody hit enter on that and they were like, yeah, I knew this was coming. This is my job. Real quick, I know we got to move this, but we didn't this was coming. This is my job. Real quick, I know we gotta kind of move this, but we didn't talk about colors. What's your favorite color of Pro? Raw. Interesting question.

Raw. I think that's proof of how good the raw titanium is because the black titanium very feels like your phone and you still like the raw titanium. It's true. It looks so good. There is a matte black phone. I changed my opinion.

I think fingerprints will make that a little tough. Yeah. There is also a new blue. It's slightly blue, but it's dark blue. It's bad. It's not as blue. Pacific blue is better. I think we all agree there's better blues.

But then there's white and raw. And this raw titanium is kind of like this warmer, more natural-looking titanium color. I like that. It looks really good. It kind of reminds me of this. Yeah. Apple Watch titanium. That's why I showed up at an Orange Accent button.

I wish they brought gold titanium, which is a different mixture technically. It looks really good. It kind of reminds me of this. Yeah. Apple Watch titanium. That's why it should have had an orange accent button. I wish they brought gold titanium, which is a different mixture technically, but it has like this really nice gold sheen in it. And my Fujifilm TX1 is gold titanium. Raw gold titanium. Dang. I want my phone from 2023 to match my camera from 1990.

So what were they thinking? Yeah. Come on guys. You should have been thinking 50 years in the past. Fascinating. All right. I think that's everything with iPhone Pro stuff. Maybe?

Question mark? Yeah, I think it is. I guess. But we still want to talk about one more thing that we'll get to after the break. But before we get to the break, let's do one more trivia question. Were you paying attention? That's right.

I knew it. Were you paying attention? I was. I'm so ready for this. The show game game show where we test your attention span. All right. Oh, no. While showing off the new A16 chip.

Excuse me. Sip? A16 sip? A17. S9 sip? you're wrong on both ends there i think yeah is it well it was the a17 is the new one and the sip is the one so far i was not paying attention but i do know this 16 core neural engine yep they were showing it off okay so that so the a17 pro is what you're talking about no this was on the 15 a 16 bionic a 17 this is on the non-pro 15 a 16 okay yeah i got you it's just not new it's not new that's not even the question this is ridiculous right now yeah we were paid that i think we all

just get a point apple showed an example of a live voicemail transcription. What was the subject of the voicemail? I don't even remember that. A, picking up a child from soccer practice. B, confirming a dinner reservation for later that evening. C, lobsters. Or D. All of the above.

This is a voice memo. It was a live voicemail transcription. Oh, interesting. Cool. Wow. I feel like D is the it's the one that we're supposed to pick. But it's going to be wrong. I swear I was paying attention.

I don't know the answer to this one i feel like i'd remember lobsters i was probably taking notes here's the thing about watching a keynote and taking notes when something important is happening i'm paying attention and then the second something not important is happening i'm writing down what was important or tweeting until the next important thing yeah and then i'm writing that down until the next important thing so this strikes me as something while i was writing. Yeah. I was also tweeting from the studio account.

Yeah. It sounds like a bunch of excuses. Yeah, this is crazy. Yeah, that's what we do. We make excuses. It's our job. We'll answer them after the break. Somebody will be right.

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So you can download the CFO's Guide to AI and Machine Learning at netsuite.com slash waveform. The guide is free to you at netsuite.com slash waveform. netsuite.com slash waveform. All right, welcome back. Last but not least, I take it back. This is the least um least important thing because this is what i talked about last week i was like is the most important thing about airpods

going to be usb type c yes the new airpods pro 2 have usb type c and it is the most important change to them asterisk but it's not the only change to them this is the only thing they mentioned in the keynote yeah that's a great point andrew yes now it sounds like you guys fought over if you were right or wrong already it's just so this is one of those things that kind of got um pseudo announced it's like when the site gets updated in the background pages get updated but they don't mention the keynote this is one of those things so to make it perfectly clear air AirPods Pro 2 with lightning cable or with lightning and wireless charging is one product we've had for a while. Brand new AirPods Pro 2 with USB-C and wireless charging, different product. Now this was not mentioned on stage, but the only difference to the product that actually matters is if you have an Apple Vision Pro headset, the new USB-C cased AirPods Pro 2 will be capable of lossless wireless audio with single-digit millisecond response times.

Like it's low latency lossless single digit millisecond response times. Like it's, it's low latency, lossless audio. So it's going to make this like awesome, you know, engaging, like fully immersive experience. If you use that, it's going to be high quality.

Apple made a new compression, made a new like codec just for this, which is super, super cool. This will not work with the current lightning AirPods pro two. You cannot buy just the case. It's a new set of earbuds. I tried.

So it's the same generation. It's still AirPods Pro 2, but there's a new architecture. There's a new something hardware-related inside that makes only the new ones compatible just if you have Apple Vision Pro and want to do lossless low latency audio. If you don't, they're effectively the same product with a new port.

Can I say the official name of this product? Sure. All right. It is Free Engraving. True. It's right there. Okay, AirPods Pro, parentheses, second generation, close parentheses, with MagSafe charging case parentheses USB-C close parentheses.

That is a full name. If I want to walk out into Best Buy. That's what my Christmas list is going to say. Yeah. It's a mom. Hey mom, I really want the AirPods Pro second generation MagSafe charging case USB-C. But all you really have to say is I just want the USB AirPods and everyone knows what you're talking about. For now. For now. So we get a USB AirPods Max I guess. Yeah. And or AirPods 3.

True. Yeah. True. Yeah. But for now, I guess, yeah. And, or AirPods 3. True. Yeah. True. Yeah. But for now, these are the only ones with USB-C. True. Yeah. So, interesting quirk.

Just wanted to get that out there. If anyone was thinking about getting Apple Vision Pro, and you just were thinking about your headphone situation, those are still allegedly on track to ship early. You know, maybe you want to pair those things up. Just so you know, the new ones with usbc are the ones that can do the new fancy trick that also makes sense like it seems like they're upgrading a lot of their products ahead of time to really make sure the vision pro is a seamless experience for as many people as possible some people even mentioned they were like vision pro is so expensive they could just throw in a pair of these there's a lot of earbuds that's been true about chargers

in the phone box too. They're just... Yeah, they won't. Yeah, they won't. Yeah, but it's just like, it's cool that they're upgrading everything ahead of time. So now people are going to be used to tapping. People are going to have these like headphones that don't have any latency.

All eyes are on Vision Pro. Yeah. Seems like that's... Or in Vision Pro. In Vision Pro. No, through Vision Pro. The first product you see through, not that. It's true.

Or something. I hated that. Thank you. Thanks. The first product you see through, not that. It's true. Or something. I hated that. Thank you. Thanks. Either way, that's basically, I mean, we've gone through all of our most interesting, important announcements. I think what we wanted to do now is just go back through our predictions that we made last week and just see how many points we racked up and if we were correct about anything

interesting. I think we, yeah, okay. Let's do that. Cool. Prediction time? Prediction time. All right. if we were correct about anything interesting i think yeah okay let's do that cool prediction time prediction time all right and because we're awarding trivia points here i feel obliged to oh all right all right marquez last week you predicted what did i say usbc will be the most important update to the new airpods After deliberating for hours,

literal hours going back and forth, we have decided we will put this one on hold because we feel it's not clear yet, if that's the case. That's true. Really? Yeah. The only other possible new feature

is something that you can only use if you have a $3,500 headset that's not out yet. But what if it's awesome? As of right now, That's fair. Exactly. We feel that Apple may have some tricks up their sleeves and may roll this feature out on these buds later. I'd say I get the point now and take the point back if something cool happens.

The season's going to be over before then. We'll revisit this at season's end and see how we feel. Are the Vision Pro going to be out at season's end and see how we, I don't know if the, is the vision pro going to be out by season's end? Don't worry about it. Um, David,

you predicted that all iPhone 15s will have USB-C, but then you added that the pro will have Thunderbolt, which was wrong. It's so close. You were close. It's a, it's three quarters wrong. It's so close. You were close. It's three quarters wrong. USB 3. But Marques, you agreed with him.

I did. Which means you are missing out on that point. Oh, I forgot we agreed and disagreed. Is this a two-point question, though? Is this a two-point question? No, these are all all or nothing. Wow. Which really hurt Andrew, who said, the iPhone 15 Pro will have an action button.

It will not have an accent color. And then he went and ruined it by saying they'll put out a case that does have an accent color, which they did not. Have we looked at all of them? I looked at all of them. I think I wanted to have something fun. At least spend like a solid 20 minutes

digging through the website. Did you dig? I really wanted to find a case. Instead, they just made an animation in the settings with an accent color. That's really funny. They really were just messing with me, I feel like. Marques and David, you guys both got one point for disagreeing.

Oh, nice. So our delta is exactly the same. Right back to where we started. Yep. And despite a dedicated listener writing in and claiming they saw an Among Us figure somewhere in the presentation, we were not able to confirm. I looked for so long. John told me he saw one.

Such a fact. If you out there found an Among Us dude. Screenshots only. Yeah. Send it in. Otherwise, for now. I found RuneScape, Mario, Clash of Clans. I found every other game in that tile.

Where they had all the games. that tile I looked for so long for Among Us, I'm convinced they listened to Waveform and took that out This fine woven kind of looks like leather What? I'm looking, I was looking for Okay, thank you, no, no, no, never mind Don't you yell at him, he's trying to help me out

So, Marques Davidid you guys both get one point for that andrew i appreciate you sticking with me but sadly we're going down with the ship um and that brings us to oh you guys each got two points then right no because it's not it's not it's not individualized yeah it is oh yeah so you guys did both get two points for your predictions. Way to go. Cool. I still remain scoreless. What a shame.

But now for our actual trivia questions. All right. I'll kick it to Adam. All right. So quick update on the score now that you guys have gotten those points. Marquez with eight. Andrew with one, two, three. Harry with four. Every week. Oh, he's got four. Oh, that, two, three. Harry with four.

Every week. Oh, he's got four. Andrew's got four. That's not bad. Yeah, not bad. David with nine, still in the lead. Wow. First question.

Which iPhone was the first to come with FaceTime? Is there like a writing thing on this? Notes app? Oh, sorry. I don't know how to use this. Notes app. Can you please? I didn't have my phone out.

Wait, I don't know what the notes app is. How do you read? Just pull down from Spotlight and search notes. I'm just how to use this. Notes app, can you please? I didn't have my phone out. Wait, I don't know what the notes app is. How do you read? If you guys pull down from Spotlight and search notes. I'm just going to do reminders. Okay. Where do I draw? Make a shortcut real quick. Where do I draw?

Wait, what was the question? Where do I draw? Which iPhone was the first to come with FaceTime? I'm torn between. I'm torn between. I just pressed a button on my AirPods. Wait, which? Okay, I want to pick the same one you picked. You can't decide. I'm torn between I'm torn between I just pressed a button on my AirPods I'm wait which okay I want to pick

the same one you pick you can't decide I know but are you gonna I don't know maybe I'm just happy my cool iPad handle will let me flip this over

so nice but then it won't be nice because it's in the reminders app and it looks like yeah Marques and I are yeah alright flip them and read please

The reading is very important I can't even read yours You have a tablet in your hand So I was torn between 4 and 4S But I picked iPhone 4 Correct I said iPhone 5 David what did you say?

4S I was also torn between 4 and 4S. Because that was the big new iPhone with the front-facing camera and the new design and FaceTime and all that stuff. Yeah, I just thought that maybe it had a new processor and they were like, no, it can do video at 720p. There was an important new feature released on the 4S. Do you remember what it was? I think that was a new high-res video. 4S?

Yeah, 4S. Siri. It was our girl Siri.Rez video. 4S? Yeah, 4S. Siri. It was our girl Siri. S for Siri. Yeah. Yeah. I just got that question so quickly that I thought it was too easy.

I was like, damn, did I mess up? He's like, oh, it's the F on 4. I thought. I was like, how do you know this? Yeah. I was so locked between 4 or 4S. Yeah, I just tied Andrew. Let's go.

Wait, Andrew, what'd you put? Five. Oh. You tied me. Yeah, we're neck and neck. Oh, I tied David. Okay, I tied David. Yeah. Perfect.

Question two. All right. All right. A16 Bionic, if that's that important to you guys. Yeah. Live voicemail transcription. What was the subject? A, picking up a child from soccer practice.

B, a dinner reservation for later that evening. C, lobsters. Or D, all of the above. I just, like... Did you see what I wrote? No. It's gotta be D. Do you think?

Is that the... I mean, I found the notes up. I have the voicemail in front of me, and I will read it to you after giving you the right answer that really makes me think it's D wait I need to oh my writing thing went away hold on

I can do it you got like three seconds you put yours down okay I did it all right flip them and read whoa okay we all have different answers Marques I really can't see your screen at all

I wrote A yeah it's D mine says this is a test note the first note Okay, we all have different answers. Marques, I really can't see your screen at all. I wrote A. Yeah, it's D. Mine says, this is a test note. The first note that I wrote drew a lobster. That's it. It was about lobsters. David, what do you have?

D. Damn. I'm sorry, guys. The voicemail on the screen, and this is not a joke. The voicemail that someone received and was live transcribed was, hey, did you know lobsters never stopped growing like ever nature is wild please never call me i'm gonna leave you that voicemail every day next time i call adam and he doesn't pick up that's what i'm saying yeah they have apples here why Of course they have apples here.

I think that's it. I think that's all I wanted to say today. And we have a lot more, of course, coming up. It's TechTember. I mean, we're here at Apple Park. We're going to be back in our studio. We got more to talk about. Stay tuned for the reviews of everything we just talked about. Ideally, we can answer all of our questions.

And if you do know more about ecosystems and sustainability and recycling materials, hit me up on Twitter. I think that's it. What's Twitter? Sorry, X. No. It's Twitter. No, no, no, no. It's Twitter.

X what? Twitter.com. I think that will still work if you go to Twitter.com slash MKBHD. But if you can't find me there, X.com. Oh, it's weird. All the people are telling us we need to go. We should probably wrap this up. Yeah.

We should finish this up. Is that Elon in the doorway? No, he's weird. All the people are telling us we need to go. We should probably wrap this up. Yeah, we should finish this up. Is that Elon in the doorway? No, he's coming! See y'all in the next one. See you later. Peace, Serino. Wayform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro-outro music was created by Vane Sill.

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