Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Apple is Paying for Apple Intelligence

Episode Date: May 8, 2026

Not a lot happened this week but we still somehow yapped for almost two hours about everything from Apple paying out for misleading customers about Apple Intelligence to whether it's pronounced "Read receipts" or "Read receipts." It's a good mix of news, games, and rants this week. Enjoy! Links: Bloomberg - Apple Intelligence AI Models for different features Verge - Apple paying iPhone users for bad AI Siri Verge - Google Home Gemini can now do more complicated requests Foundation Disc Golf Creators Cup Caira camera Google on X - Android Show David's viral post Follow us on socials: Marques: ⁠https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd⁠ Andrew: ⁠https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli⁠ David: ⁠https://www.threads.net/@davidimel⁠ Adam: ⁠https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17⁠ Ellis: ⁠https://twitter.com/EllisRovin⁠ Mariah: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/totallynotabusinessacc/⁠ Waveform Threads: ⁠https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast⁠ Waveform Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en⁠ Waveform TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast⁠ Join the Discord: ⁠https://discord.gg/mkbhd⁠ Intro/Outro music by 20syl: ⁠https://bit.ly/2S53xlC⁠ Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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But how am I supposed to, but what if, but, but news? What if the Fediverse needs to. What if the Fedever's teasing? Yeah, what is up? People of the Internet. Welcome back to another episode of the Wayform podcast. We're your host. I'm Marquez.

I'm David. And I'm David. Adam wrote that into the script, not me. Nice. So we're back with some Apple news, some Google news, and a game that Adam wants to play with all of us. So this will be a fun variety pack episode. Yes.

But first. Yes, Marquez, you've changed your whole desk setup. I did. We have to understand why. All right, we were trying to unpack this a little bit. It was sort of a minor thing, but it ended up taking my whole day, setting all this stuff up yesterday. So, for those who are wondering, yeah.

I mentioned in this setup video, of my desk that I would be getting rid of the Mac Pro soon. Apple literally discontinued the Mac Pro slightly after that video. Officially. Yeah, so they gave up on the Mac Pro, so did I. Nice. Now, my question is, do I want to become the laptop person or still have a separate distinct desktop and laptop?

Which kind of feels to me like, do I want to have my phone for every photo or do I want to carry a separate camera? Yeah. Obviously, the separate camera is going to be better, but it would be convenient if I could take everything on my phone. This is the laptop dilemma. I think that a 16-inch M5 Macs MacBook Pro is powerful enough to do everything that I want out of a computer,

including editing, including all the plugins, including everything that we do, that takes a lot of render. But it's a 16-inch MacBook Pro. It's a big... It's a heavier... Big boy. Yeah, but the 14-inch is clearly superior.

I love the form factor. I would much rather... Harry the 14, and I know this because I've gone from a 16 to a 14, and I try to go back and back and forth, and I just, I'm... But do you ever edit on just the 14 without plugging into a display? I think I've done it like three, only once with a main video and like three or four time with vertical video shorts. Yeah, it's annoying, right?

It's slightly annoying, but it's not deal-breaking or annoying. What turned out to be more interesting is there's like a 15 to 20% difference in long-term thermal performance. With the bigger chassis of the 16, you're actually getting like the max that the chip has to offer. Yeah, true. The M5 max and a 14 inch chassis

is throttling a little earlier isn't giving me quite the same performance. Is it that big of it? Probably not, but I'm curious if I can use the 16 inch M5 Max MacBook Pro 16 inch. Yes, as my everything computer.

Oh. It will be the desktop plugged into those monitors, plugged into a whole bunch of stuff, a dock, a DAC, a whole bunch of, you know, We can talk about that. Yeah. And then when I need to go home or bring it somewhere, I can take it somewhere.

I can take it somewhere. I can take whatever I'm doing, and I don't have to have multiple computers. That's what's great about it. Everything's on one little PC. So the obvious other version of this is Mac Studio. I've said Studio is the new pro. I think if this project, if this experiment fails me, what I'll end up doing is I'll end up going back to having a Mac studio on my desk. Whenever that M5 Ultra comes out or M6 Ultra, whatever it is, that will be the desktop and a 14-inch Macbook.

Pro will continue to be my laptop. Yeah. Okay. How long are you going to test this experiment for? So I have the review unit M5 max 60 inch MacBook Pro. It's maxed out. It has 128 gigs of unified memory. I'm using this until the new MacBook Pro, which we all know is going to get the redesign,

probably a 2 nanometer node and an OLED touchscreen and all this stuff. Whenever that new one comes out. Yeah. And when that new one comes out, that's when I'll make my decision. Am I going to buy that laptop and continue the laptop? life or am I going to become Mac Studio and MacBook Pro? If you get enough storage, I really, it's so great to just have everything on one computer. Yeah.

As of right now, it's like day one and a half. You know, it's the second day of this experiment. I am using a, now, there's a couple things that I needed to make this setup work. So I have two studio display XDRs on my desk. Okay. They look fantastic. They are smaller than the pro displays, but they're 120 hertz. They're brighter.

They look better. Yeah. I'm willing to accept that. and I daisy chain them to each other, so it's great. I still have Thunderbolt ports to spare. And I have this TS5 plus dock. Who makes this dock?

TS5 plus dock. Caldigit, baby. Yeah, this Caldigit Thunderbolt 5 dock, which lets me plug all of my accessories on my desk into the MacBook Pro with one cable. That's nice. So the dream is to have the one cable setup. I walk in with the laptop, put it down,

plug in one cable, everything lights up. The mouse, the mechanical, keyboard, the studio monitors, the DAC, both displays, my storage, everything is connected to it. It's crazy, yeah. Unfortunately, the Universal Audio DAC is really stubborn and refuses to work with the dock. Even though it's plugged into Thunderbolt in the dock, I've tried it with the dock. I've tried it also with the display, plugging it straight into the display, it doesn't like it. It just, they've, did they even test this? It loves being plugged into the laptop directly. Damn. So it's a two cable setup for now.

Dack don't like the dock. Yeah, Dach don't like the dock. Damn. Marquez, let me sit at your desk after we record and troubleshoot this for you. Please. It took me four hours to figure out that it didn't like anything other than direct. Yeah. Yeah.

Really annoying. I have my own version of exactly what you're going through right now. And this is like round three of me wanted to talk about the iPhone air. Yeah. So. Run it back, baby. I saw your tweets. You did.

You're talking about how you tried to go back to the pro. I tried. I tried. Oh, my God. So I want to know what you're, like, are you back on a pro? Or you're still on the air? You're still in the air. Still on the air. Constantly frustrated by the camera. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we'll talk about that even more later.

But you're probably, you know, a little more evened out because you're using a second Android phone all the time that's much thicker. So you're kind of used to it. Yeah. But I don't know what I was smoking when I was like, okay with thones being as thick as they were, you know? It's not that bad. It used, okay. I used to have the opposite take. Okay.

This phone radicalized me. So what's your, now you're fully thin phone-pilled? Yeah. Kind of. I kind of am. You can only use this for the S-25 Edge. Everything else will be devastating. Well, I think there'll be more options later.

Yeah. And when the iPhone fold comes out, I think, I think that will, because it's still thin when you open it, I think it'll be an okay compromise. It'll be shorter. We'll see. But I don't know. I tried to go back to the pro because I'm going to Europe today. for two weeks and it's it's so heavy and thick i i literally felt like i was using a motor old track phone

that's what i i get it like i especially when you use them back to back yeah you go from this super thin especially the lightweight too that's the thing people don't realize when they see it on video it looks oh it's just a little bit thicker or whatever but holding it it's so much lighter uh and the two things that are frustrating about the air are the camera and the battery yeah as far as i mean everything else is perfectly fine as far as i can tell yeah so i have had a couple moments where I wish I had an ultra wide and I literally had to back totally like I shot the desk photo the other day and I was just backing up away from my desk and I was annoying but I can kind of make that work yeah but the battery yeah how are you

dealing with the it's not as bad as I know how he's doing he grabbed the rich power bank for well I did yeah I mean it's not it's not awful I will say like I've been home for a while for longer than I'm usually home for like a month and I am one of those. I am one of those people that just constantly has all of their gadgets plugged in at every moment that I'm not using them. You know, I have a lot of battery anxiety all of the time. That's okay with the air then. Yeah, so it's okay with the air. So I'm not completely sure how it's going to fare, you know, on a, on a travel. I'm sure. What? I know exactly how this is going to go. Oh, well, that's why I have battery banks, I guess. I don't know. I tried to switch back to the pro and I'm just like,

I can't do this. This is so annoying. Wow. totally rad. Even as your only phone? Yeah. However. Okay, however, just like you, the main things that I miss are the camera, which, by the way, I was wrong. I thought I thought I never used the wide angle camera.

The ultra-oid. The ultra-ride. I apparently do. Not for photography, but for, like, functionality. Yeah. Like, I remodeled my kitchen this weekend. Wow. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. I had to put a lot of work in. And I was trying to take a photo to, like,

Show my friends that I remodeled it Can't back I literally can't I hit the wall You can't show the whole kitchen in one picture which is annoying So I had to take a video and then it was still yeah it was bad it was annoying and then my my 3D printed camera that I use all the time Uses the ultra wide camera to like crop in and I can't do that either so if they release an air with the wide with the ultra wide camera I'll be happy the other thing I found a solution to the no telephoto thing Okay, okay so there's this company that send me this camera attachment thing like a few months ago called

Kyra camera that it's like you magsafe your camera your phone to it and it's just a sensor with a I wish I had it with me it's in my backpack it's just a sensor with a micro four-thirds lens on it and your phone slaps onto it and then your phone becomes the interface for it and it directly like it uses Wi-Fi direct the images go straight to your phone you can shoot raw you can shoot video. Is it a micro fourth third sensor? It's a micro four-third sensor. It's a micro four-thirds lenses on it. And because it's micro four-third sensor, like, the crop factor is pretty high. So even if you're using like, I'm using a 25 millimeter like a Lika lens and it's like a 50 or something. Yeah, like a 50. That sounds sick. It's dope. What's it called? It's called Kaira camera. It's really

cool. So then what are you using as a lens if this is like a lens? A. Yeah, I have a 25 mil lens. It's like a 50. So I just carry that with me. It's not very big. It's like this thick. And my phone, your phone just like mag save straight to it. And so I'll just have that in my bag with me.

And in the cases where I need to do telephoto, I just slap it on. You can shoot raw. Okay. Yeah. It'll work. I understand what you're saying. Yeah. It's like, if I really want to zoom and take a photo like that, then I have this kit.

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And that was my main concern because I, because I use this on the last trip that I did too and not having a telephoto to shoot raw because when I'm traveling I do a lot of like halide or moment camera too with raw photos and with this it kind of sucks so this is very anti adding things to your phone for cameras yeah well not entirely but I do have I think there's a point of diminishing return and it's pretty quick yeah yeah Allison Johnson put a really interesting piece out on the verge

a couple weeks ago about the iPhone air that says like it it was called like I finally understand the iPhone Air and it was about how it's a modular phone. How like you basically, for the daily use, you just use it and it's thin and it's great. And then you basically switch it out for whatever parts you need, whether it's the battery bank or camera attachment. Motorola was a decade too early. Yeah, of course. Yeah.

The Z. Yeah, the Z was insane. But the thing, MagSafe is such a better attachment mechanism because like things like the Moto Z that had the dedicated modules. Yeah, it's like they promised to support it for like two years and then they did and then all of those attachments were useless after that. That was brutal. Or as long as Apple does not get rid of MagSafe, which I saw some rumors that were like,

they're thinking of killing it and I was like, that's the stupidest thing ever and they will never do that. Yeah. As long as MagSafe exists, all these attachments don't work. Yeah, sorry iPhone 16e. So my point is I am totally radicalized. I don't, I didn't think this would ever happen to me. I mean, this is kind of what we said when it

came out. Like, this is the right form factor. It's just too many compromises. Yeah. Yeah, this phone would be great if it had a silicon carbon battery. Yeah. Because it would probably be totally fine. I have a travel story for you in a second. Okay. But, and then, yeah, and add an extra camera and it's right there. Yeah. It's back to being very usable and justifiable. Okay, what's your story? I recently went to, how much can I say? I went to a foreign country in Europe somewhere. Okay. For a video shoot that you guys will learn about later. And I, forgot to bring a power adapter. I totally forgot to make a

time Adam and I were just talking about that. I brought everything else I need. I had the MacBook Pro. I had the backpack full of stuff. I had my chargers are ready to go and I just forgot my adapter for their plugs. So it's a three-day trip. And I realize this as I land

and I'm like, you know what? I'm not going to buy an adapter. I'm going to survive with the batteries that I have. Crazy person. Which is a MacBook Pro, an OppoFind X9 Ultra, a one plus 15 and an iPhone air. and an iPad Pro. And I was, I got off the plane not knowing,

so I wasn't really conserving battery while I was watching stuff on the iPad. So the iPad was like kind of cooked. So I got there and it was like, I need to use my MacBook Pro as a power bank to charge my phones overnight every single day. Beautiful. After the first night of charging up the,

um, the one plus to full, for some reason, the MacBook Pro is basically dead. Oh. So now I have two days and two phones. and yeah the iPhone air did not last it lasted like I think I got to low power mode at 20% like by the end of the first day yeah and I was still at like 60 something with the opo and the plus so having them side by side and actively trying to conserve bad around both and just watching the air just slowly go away it was really it was pretty eye opening yeah so I yeah what I usually do when I forget a power bank which is like or forget a travel adapter which is a lot is a lot of the the like hostels and stuff they stay and they'll have like one USBA or USBC port like in your bed

area I was looking yeah I was looking for that port I always I turn my MacBook pro into like a multi-port daisy chain battery pack where I plug in the MacBook and then everything else is just like octopus off of it yep which is probably what's going to happen when I go to Europe today so yeah anyway yeah I'm radicalized so I really hope that they don't kill this line like they did with the mini. The mini I loved immediately. And the problem with the air is that it's a good phone. You just have to spend like three weeks with it to understand that, which is a problem for Apple. Well, Apple always does two of everything, at least typically with the phones. Yeah. So we're going to have, we're pretty sure we're going to have an air too. Yeah. Then we'll see how

that goes. Yeah. All right. Do they even test this? We do this every week. Did you guys bring Did you bring some? I have one. Let's go, Ellis. But first. Actually, two but first. Because the first but first is... Video viewers already know where this is going.

No, because I unfortunately embarrassed myself in the last episode. Because my last... Did they even test this? Was about how to do the find on page on Safari. Yeah. Got a lot of comments. Got a lot of comments. There's a much easier way to find on page that I did not know about.

Yeah. So I would just like to thank Waveform viewers for being dedicated Safari users. There's no ball. Thank you, waveform audience. Okay. Now, Adam, would you mind getting the lights, please? I feel like I need to narrate this for audio listeners. Ellis is grinning from ear to ear wearing a 76er shirt and a 76ers hat.

And you know why I'm grinning ear to ear, Marquez? Why is that? Because this weekend, the Philadelphia 76ers, for the first time since the 1980s, have defeated the Boston Celtics and an NBA playoff series, meaning we are moving on to round two to face our other rivals, the New York Knickerbockers, in a what will hopefully be another seven-game, amazing basketball series. Kelly Ubre, thank you for your contributions.

Joelle Embed is back and healthy. nothing can go wrong for us. Are they really called the Knickerbockers? Quick, knock some wood. Yeah, the Knicks are the Knickerbockers. What does that even mean? Underwear. Something.

I've looked it up so many times and then just forget every time. Yeah, it commonly refers to 19th century bagging knee-length trousers. The 76ers really close to a meme. Dude, this team is just so much fun. It's just so much fun.

I'm glad you're having fun. Game seven sounds stressful, but sounds like you're having a lot of fun. Dude, I have not come closer to shing my pants as an adult than watching that game seven. And just I love it. My heart pours out for everyone on this team, especially Kelly Ubrey and Joelle and Bid and Tyrese Maxie. And yeah. You said it was the most watched game seven in NBA Plath history? That's what we were seeing online, but we were also talking about how game seven of the finals,

the Lilibon, Steph Curry finals. Yeah, that's an incredible stat. It's just like the sixth, you know, I keep trying to explain this to Alex and Adam, man. It's like being a Sixers fan is not about reveling in your endless wins, okay? It's about, we literally have more than you. But it's about reveling in the journey and the storylines and the personalities and watching Joel and Bede grow up before our eyes and overcome so much. And watching Kelly Ubrey turn into just like an absolute douche. dog in the paint and watching Vijay Edgecombe blossom into an eventual all-star.

And having already watched Tyrese Maxi blossom into an all-star. And so that win, that game meant so much to us. I found the NBA.com post. Yes. Most watched first round in 33 years. Most watched first round game seven ever. Everyone got to watch the Sixers play beautiful Sixers basketball. And I just feel so blessed to be alive right now.

Oh, and I just want to make a quick point that he's talking about the game seven because game one versus the Knicks was a not a great game if you're a Sixers. Oh, yeah, that already happened. Yeah, that was really bad. And so my, my, did they even test this is the Sixers drop coverage because, who, did not work. And those baskets, those Knicks baskets were fallen. So yeah, did they even test the Sixers defense? But it's all good, man, because we just did test it. We're coming back tonight.

Going to tie up the series. It's funny. I used to be a Clippers fan back when Chris Paul and Lob City era Clippers were like a thing. And this was the feeling that I was hoping I would feel for like five years straight. I never, never got to taste. It's okay. If it makes you feel any better, this is the feeling I've been hoping to feel for five years straight and we're finally getting it. That's awesome. All right. So onto tech, yeah. My, did they even test this, is shocker, Google Test. So in Google Tass, when you add things to your upcoming. I guess reminders.

There's on web at least, I feel like this might also be in the app, I'm not sure. But on web, it shows like all of your lists that you've made. Yeah. One of them, the very first one, even though you can move it around, but the one that's first by default is upcoming. Okay. That one will just show every reminder that you have for the upcoming future period. Like you can't sort it for only show me the upcoming week.

You can't sort it for only show me the upcoming month. it's just everything. Like right now, I have a reminder for Friday, December 11th to remind me that there's a parade that always passes by my apartment. The Guadalupe parade, I think. But it's at like 10 p.m. every December 11th where a bunch of people go down my block with a parade. So like, I said a reminder this past year. I don't need to see that right now. We are in May. Why is this still showing? Why do you have that tasks though? Why isn't that just in your calendar? That's a great question. I feel like that's the reason they exist separately. Okay, so let's say I did have a task on Friday 11th though. Like this Friday? No, like the 11th of December. I don't know.

I had to re-sign something on December 12th. So I said a reminder. I would also put a reminder. No, that's, yeah, that's a task. I guess so. If it's like buy someone's birthday present like a week before their birthday. Like I would see that right now, which is like why? Yeah.

Yeah, okay. That makes sense. It's just like why you're not... Have you tried Tick-Tick? I have tried Tick, and I used Tick-Tick for a long time. I was trying to minimize subscriptions, so I stopped using it. Are they paid? The Pro Features.

Yeah, there's a pro version. Do you need the pro version for... I don't know. I mean, at some point, too, like, is it better to use Google things? Like, I don't even know if that's the case. Maybe it is better to just pay a developer, but... I'm off of the, like, it's better to use Google's version because there are so many examples of it not being better to use Google's version that I have abandoned that philosophy.

That's a very good point. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. In summary, no, they did not test this. Yeah. I have one that I'm, well, it's less of the, did they even test this and more of why does this exist? Does that work?

Why does it? Sure, we'll take it. Okay, so like a couple of weeks ago, X launched X chat, which is a separate app. It is. just, yeah, which is a separate app on your phone, which is just the DM portion of X, and it looks exactly

like the DM tab in X, and it's just the DMs, and then there's a little button in the top right, and when you click it, it just opens X. I don't know why they have two separate apps for this, and I thought Elon was all obsessed with making the Everything app, and then he just started separating them, and I'm very confused.

I think that counts. That counts. Did they even think about this? How about that? Was there any, like, press statement as to, like, why they did this? No. No. Just launched. Also, like, casually. You, after ever since the, the blue check apocalypse on Twitter, on Twitter,

messaging people is, like, almost impossible because most accounts, you can't even DM unless you pay. Is that how that works? I forget how the system works, but I feel like any time I want to send a DM, it's like, you got money? Yeah. So now there's an app. to tell me like you got money yeah someone hit me up there they're like hey your handle is the at david m l is available because i've been trying to get that since like 2012 or whatever

and uh but you have to have x premium plus which costs 40 dollars a month in order to request dead hand like unused handles and i was like okay i hate this question is x chat encrypted uh is the is the twitter dms regular twitter dm's i think they're exactly it is because they're the same. Oh, well, and I have no answer. I really don't know why this exists. Yeah, I was trying to think of something. Now, to be fair, to be fair, I have been wanting an Instagram just DM's app forever, which they were working on for a long time. Separately? Separately. Isn't that just messages, like Facebook messages? Or Messenger? Yeah, but Instagram. They unbundled them, remember? Yeah. So you mean WhatsApp? No. No, no. The amount of people, there's a lot of people that I just

Google talk. Through Instagram that I, like, daily. But I have all my social media blocked throughout the day on my accounts because I don't want to, you know. Wait, this is the exact same thing. What? That's what Twitter is doing. Yeah.

You want to be able to DM the people you DM on Instagram without also having to go through the rest of Instagram. Correct. I just, I barely use Twitter. Okay. Which is what Twitter. It's what Twitter did. And I'm happy about that.

I barely, I mean, if it was Instagram. Because I barely used Twitter. I would love this for Instagram. But it's just confusing. Let's move on to some news this week. I just want to say the selling point, and this is according to Elon himself. Okay. Quote, XChat is the only secure encrypted messaging app.

That's not true at all. What? It is if you just say it. That's the end of the statement? That's not even remotely true. That's like the first half of the correct statement, but then it's just wrong. Has he ever heard of Signal before? All right.

Let's get to the actual news story. of the week. So I got to take a vote from you guys. We got two Apple stories and two Google stories. Which one do you want to get to first? I like the Android ones or the Google ones. They're interesting. Let's talk about the Google ones. My curiosity is peaked. Yes. So this is going to be pretty major event. Next week we're getting the Android show, which if you remember, is a pre-I. Android experience where they... Yes. Yes. It's very hype.

Because IEO used to include Android, but now it's kind of just all Gemini. Yeah, now it's just for the stockholders and the people that care about the products. Well, the Gemini features are interesting, but yeah. But it's going to be a big one. Samir Samant has tweeted a video with a little teaser for the Android show. His caption. He says that it's the biggest set of Android updates ever. And he punctuated it.

He said biggest Android updates ever, period after everywhere. Which is a big deal. That's a lot of hype. It's a lot of hype. Coming from a Googler. Wow. Yeah. And in the little teaser video, the little Andy Android robot pulls a light switch.

And when he turns off the lights, he's glowing with these kind of like neon blue and pink cotton candy colors. However, and Adam noted this because he- Liquid glass. Scareing me. No, no, no, it's not. Don't. Okay. By the way.

Scareing me, Google. Everyone is quote tweeting this being like Apple's doing liquid glass. He replied to it. Yeah, I know. Yeah, he said we're not. Him and Mischal have had to go, like, have a campaign going to report. applied to every single person. We're like, no, we're not.

Did they even test this? Did they even think about this? Yeah. But if you look very closely near the Andy Android robot's neck, it's clearly got the pixel glow like RGBY bar. If you want to see it clearly, it's now the profile picture of Android on Twitter. Yeah. So it's hype.

Yes. It's glowing. Pretty hype. It would be really crazy and I would be very happy if they did a lot of setting. changeups like they did with ice cream sandwich where everything was kind of neon and weird. And just this morning, it leaked that the new design language that they're using is called luminous design. Don't they change, okay, they change this so much.

Well, I think that they'll still have material you expressive as the like, you know, material interface, but I think that luminous design is going to be like the Gemini kind of like intelligent features are going to have the luminous stuff. That's my guess. So it's being teased as biggest Android updates ever, but it's not the biggest Android updates ever. It's just the Gemini parts. I don't think it's just the Gemini parts.

I think that they're probably adding a ton of Android features, which is cool because I have no idea what they would add. I'm very curious how they're going to live up to this amount of hype because this is... Yeah, Material 3 Expressive is new, right? That just came out like three years ago. Yeah, from two or three years ago, something like that. Yeah. So for them to have, for them to be introducing a brand new design.

Yeah. I would imagine that's just for like the glowing around your screen when you hold down the button to access Gemini, which is already a thing. So like what else would they use this for? Well, they just pushed a big update for the Gemini app on Android where it looks a lot more neon like this like yesterday. So if you have it, that'd be interesting to see. Yeah. So I don't know. They say biggest Android updates ever. I'm really curious what that means. It could be so many things. Are there any Android features that you have been like wishing for? Not specifically, honestly. I mean, the hardware is what's been fun to play with in Android land. And then I use Android, Android, Android, most of the same way I did five years ago. Yeah. Which is also most of the same way I did five years before that. Yeah. So, yeah, Gemini, a little bit more, a little circle to search stuff a little bit more.

But it's genuinely mostly the same. I'm pretty happy with it. Yeah. One I'm really excited for is the, I forget what it's called, but the Chrome desktop, when you plug it in pixel desktop or whatever. Yeah, making that better. Making it better to, like, be a Dex competitor for real. For sure.

Because right now it's like in developer beta or something like that and it's fine. You can use it but it's not like, I wouldn't say it's good. It's just like fun to play around with. Yeah. If they can make that good, that would be awesome. Yeah. Well, thankfully the event is next Tuesday. So we'll be able to talk about it on the show next week.

I won't because I won't be here. But you guys will be able to talk about on the show next week. And it's at 10 a.m. Pacific time. So you guys should all chime in. Maybe we could get that live thread thing going. I would love that. But I don't know if that's out yet. It might be.

out slowly. The other Google News is that Google Home Gemini can now do multiple and more complicated requests at once, which is a big update. It's Home 3.1 it improves Gemini's ability to interpret and act on requests like complex tasks

or multiple tasks in one query. I need an example. I think you should be able to say like turn on the lights in the bedroom and also open up the shades in the living room. So you can like chain things together? You can chain things together. also more complex stuff.

It will also make Gemini better at handling recurring all-day events and allow you to move around upcoming events with your voice. That's helpful. All I want is better search in Gmail. Like, just use this for Gmail. Yeah. How is it so bad?

Why are they doing all this? Just give me good search in Gmail. I don't know how it's still so bad. It is crazy. There are also launching in beta a way to manage your smart home from a computer and you can search your camera history with natural language. You can create routines from your desktop. So that's nice. You just said routines and that made me think of another thing

that I hope they introduce into Android, which is like Samsung's routines and like Apple shortcuts, like something like that. Yeah, they have some already, right? In the automations. Oh, automations, you're right. Yeah, and Gemini. But are they good?

In Google Home. I think they're pretty good. Well, some of mine are broken. So I haven't actually updated them in a while. But I do know they have that. Let's see. Yeah, automation. If they flesh that out, that would also be pretty sick.

Yeah. Yeah. Because there's not many things that I want Android to take from iOS specifically, but shortcuts is one of them. Yeah. And I know you can use macro droid and Tasker and all those things, but those are so insanely powerful. I don't need all that. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

It's kind of exciting for them to hype it so much when I don't even know what I want them to add. It's like, I feel like we're going to be surprised. because none of these features have leaked so far, which is kind of surprising. Yeah, I feel like Android, I mean, I don't know. I guess both operating systems are pretty mature at this point for what I would, like what I want. Yeah. So there's not really much you can do besides a design change that would make me be like, whoa, it's such a huge change up from what we already had. Yeah. Like that's why with iOS, liquid glass was like such a thing because it changed how everything looked.

Yeah. I wouldn't say it like changed much of the functionality in a drastic way. No. So I'm curious why they're hyping this up so much. Like, what are they going to introduce? Yeah, it's interesting that they're kind of showcasing the pixel glow stuff, considering that's fairly necessary. Like, you kind of have to have hardware to make that work.

And they're not going to show off. Well, they're pro. I mean, maybe they will. Maybe they'll show off the pixel 11. And the pixel book or whatever. I doubt it, but like, it would be cool. It would be cool. That would be crazy.

Yeah, if they randomly drop the pixel. I mean, they could do the pixel laptop, right? Yeah, they could, or at least they could hype it. you think they would drop that with the phones in August, September, October, whenever the pixel events are? I think they would do it separately. Really? I think, yeah, separate from the phones.

Really? Let the phones shine, but if you're going to do a laptop, I don't know. A new laptop, you could do that. I mean, when they did the pixel book go, it was at the same time as the phones when the pixel four came out. True, I guess Google does know

always think logically. That's fair. Yeah, but it's a, I mean, it's an, I mean, this is supposed to be their Android Chrome OS merger laptop, so it could be. And like, why do you need the phones? to have their moment to shine when they're just Gemini machines,

you know? They're not that different. You know what I mean? Just throw my own. Yeah, that's true. Just drop my own. I went to the Google Store in Williamsburg this past weekend.

Oh, yeah. And you were close to me and you didn't tell me? Is Williamsburg close to you? Yes. Oh, sorry. Right below me. I can walk there in 20 minutes. Oh, well, sorry.

I'll tell you next time. Yeah, but I was in the store and my mom was with me because I was going to get a, what was it, like a Titan secure security key for my sister. Oh, yeah. That's what she ended up picking up.

You can get them at the Google store? Yeah, they sell them there. Oh, wow. Cool. But she was walking around. She's like, this is cozy. This is not like the Apple store at all. And I was like, I bet that was very intentional.

I feel like it is a lot like the Apple store. I mean, it's more cozy because they have more fibers and stuff. I think more fibers, a lot of wood. We have natural wood grain. The Apple store also. Apple is like metal and wood and like glass. Yeah, that's true. White walls.

Yeah. They only have a couple of stores, so they got to make them hype. Yeah. All right. Okay, speaking of Apple news, Apple is going to allow you to choose which AI model to use for different Apple intelligence features, which is kind of, it's kind of interesting. It's very of the moment.

Yes. I was asking, can one of you explain this to me? Because I do not understand what this means at all. Yeah, okay. So this is according to Bloomberg. In iOS 27, you're going to be able to use an extensions feature, which lets you pick different AI models for different features of Apple intelligence. like Siri writing tools, image playground, other stuff.

So it's become clear over the last year or two years that these different AI models that people subscribe to, whether it's Claude or ChatjPT or Gemini, are better at certain things, right? And people subscribe to different ones. And at this point, I think Apple has given up trying to make their own competitive model, right? Like it would cost so much money

and the race is moving so fast and the updates are coming so fast the Apple would have to basically create an entire additional company within Apple just to keep up with all these other companies. So it makes more sense to just be the compute company that like runs the models. They are the hardware that everyone will run the models on. Right. So once all these models, obviously there's the cloud models. And then once these local models get good enough that everyone's running them locally on all their machines,

they're the ones here with the machines. Yeah. And that we run them on there. Totally. Yeah. So like the iPhone is probably going to use Gemini Nano. for like Siri things, right? But for all the other features,

like image playground, which literally nobody uses, chat chippy T currently has, you know, it's competitive between chat chad chutee and Gemini for who has the best image model. Sure. But the fact that most people

are probably only subscribed to one of these AI models at a time, right? So if you are subscribed to Gemini versus chat chad chabuttee, you want to plug in all of your Gemini stuff to your iPhone so that works natively and Apple's happy to let you do that. it's more interesting that you can choose which model for which feature

which i guess makes sense because you know some models like clot is better at reasoning so if there was some sort of reasoning feature in the iPhone i guess that's better for reasoning you would plug in your cloud model um it is kind of like a if you know you know kind of thing like the average iPhone user probably isn't going to be plugging in a bunch of different models but yeah you know yeah i really want to see what the UI is for this because yeah I feel like if I'm trying to do I don't know like Siri I want to have Siri be accessing Gemini yeah but then for image generation chat GPT and then for circle to search oh let's do Gemini again and then like all those different things shortcut automations let me use cloud for that

yeah what is that UI even going to like even saying out loud I'm kind of confused yeah maybe just it's a defaults page in the settings like the way you can choose your search engine default now by going into settings and switching it from Google to one of the other options on the list. Generation default. If there's like an Apple intelligence section in the settings, which there is, and you go into all the different features and can drop down a list and change the defaults to all of them. Yeah. Maybe there is a default for all of them that lines up. Maybe it's Gemini for everything, but then you can go on the list and change it. My question becomes like how much is this going to impact your usage limits for all of these apps? Because if you accidentally like hit all your usage limits on Claude,

by using your iPhone and then you can't really use it on your computer that's pretty annoying yeah well and will it be like an extension that plugs into your account with Claude or is it just like a fully isolated instance of like asking Claude for something but has no context from your account I imagine it will be your account because right now when you ask for something that Siri can't handle and it kicks out to chat GPT that's not with the context of your account you can sign into your account you can sign in okay yeah but when it wasn't signed in, it was just however many queries you want. Yeah.

It didn't matter. The free version, basically. Yeah. Yeah. But there's still limits to the free version, so it's kind of, and I don't think Apple's going to want to pay that bill for a bunch of regular people. But it would be interesting if you couldn't use all of the features of your iPhone unless you had an AI subscription plan from a different company.

Interesting or apocalyptic. I don't know about apocalyptic. Definitely driving a lot of usage of this stuff. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. If there's anything Siri can't handle, we'll just kick it out to any of these companies. Yeah.

I mean, maybe it's possible that these companies are going to have deals with Apple because they want people to use their product more, right? So if Anthropic wants more people to adopt Claude and they say, oh, you can try Clod on that. You can use Clot on the iPhone for free,

and then it motivates people to use Clod on their desktop. Yep. Then that's good for Anthropics. That's good for them. That's possible. Exactly. Can I tell a funny Apple intelligence story from last week? I decided to fire up, what's it called, Gen Moji.

I love Genoji. Do I use it all the time? Really? Because I'm its biggest fan. I cannot get anything useful out of it. And to be fair, the story I'm going to tell is mostly user error. But what happened is I was like, I needed a cowboy boot emoji. Yeah.

And so I made one. I searched. I was just moving really fast. And I just searched boot. And it gave me a rain boot. And I was like, oh, I didn't get specific enough, silly me. So I put in cowboy boot And it put a cowboy hat on the rain boot

Wow That seems like it should know And I was like That's incredible Okay That's so good Last Apple start And then we'll take it to trivia in a break

Yeah Apple is going to need to pay iPhone owners $250 million for not delivering the AI Siri that they promised everybody Yes Wow Give me my $12 Yes

$12 that's way too much You're getting like a nickel. Yeah. I think it's actually... It actually is more. $20. It's between $25 and $95, depending on the circumstances. Every iPhone user gets $20?

No, it's the people... Okay. Let me... Let me tell us there. There's a class testing lawsuit that alleges that Apple misled customers by Apple Intelligence and has gotten Apple to pay between $25 and $95 to each person that purchased an iPhone 15 Pro or any iPhone 16 between June 10th, 2024 and March 29th, 2025. Mm-hmm.

The lawsuit is alleging that Apple gave people a clear and reasonable consumer expectation that Apple intelligence features would be available on these phones, while they ended up being significantly limited or sometimes entirely absent. Correct. This is a story from The Verge, and they did reach out to Apple, and Apple spokesperson Marnie Goldberg told them that the company decided to settle the matter so they could get back to focusing on building innovative products for their users. So it sounds like they just knew they weren't going to win this. So they were just like, just take the money. Make it go away. I also think Apple just doesn't financially want to get involved in like the circular AI. We're developing a model buying chips from people who give us money to buy their chip.

It's just, you know. We know that you, the way from audience, misses Andrews so much. We don't miss him at all, but you guys miss him. But if you want to see what he's up to while he's on paternity leave, He was recently on a disc golf tournament. What did you do? Because he said he's on paternity leave and then these videos are dropping and he's playing disc golf. Yeah.

But yeah, there's a creator's tournament that's being posted weekly, I think, online now. You guys can go check him out and comment saying you're coming from Wayform so we could take over their comments. A comment takeover, basically, is what I'm proposing? Okay, if Andrew wins, what happens? And if he loses what happens? Ooh, that's a good one. What do we have to do? Oh, yeah.

make him do something. Okay, if he wins, he has to come back and host a solo pod. The director's cut narrating every shot he took. Yes. Okay, that's a good one too. You're going to make him Jalen Brown. He would do it. He would do it. We'll go watch his disc golf tournament. That'll be pretty fun. And now, the moment you've all been waiting for that I'm also waiting for. Trivia. First question. The Chromebook Pixel came out in 2013. What was the size of the screen? Closest without going over.

Oh, man. Oh, man, it was a touch screen. To the nearest decimal. It was a little bit tall. It was like 3,200 by 2,800. That would be thick, though. They were thick as thick. Real thick.

Why do I know all these things, but not the size of the screen? Damn. Just know the vibe, you know? Yeah. I still have one. I tripped over it yesterday. So it's on the floor. I'm not even joking.

I tripped over it. I've deduced that is on the floor. Yeah, it's on the floor. David always keeps his laptops on the floor. This is the only time I see David's laptop on the desk when we're in this room. Yeah, it's always slightly ajar, you know, on the floor. It was exactly $1,000 or no? I think so.

I think it was $1,000. Everyone loved that it was $1,000. If you went to I.O., you got like $400 off. Oh, right, yeah. People love that. Because they would sell it. Because they would get it for cheap and sell it. I didn't sell mine. I bought it with hard.

Of course. I also. Hard earned cash. I also did that and then I reviewed it. Damn. I like that computer. It was cool because it was like it was good hardware. It was really, really thin. And, uh, an oxymoron. Good hardware and thin. No, the Chromebook pixels existence of a, oh, you only really need to do Chrome because it's a Chrome book and you kind of don't need to do much. Okay, here's a cheap Chrome computer. Yeah. Oh, oh, you want a premium laptop that does way more? Well, it doesn't. It's just a Chrome book. Yeah. But you can spend a thousand. You don't really need to do my warm. but you just want the hardware to be nice, you know. And you're like a nice chip and a bunch of RAM and a whole of storage. When you want to be able to feel that hardware, feels good. When you minimize the desktop and open up Chrome again. Yeah, that's right. You want it to be nice and smooth. That's absolutely, you're absolutely right, Mark.

Yeah. All right, well, we'll think about that. Answers at the end, like usual. We'll be right back. Support for the show comes from Zapier. We cover a lot of trends on this show. And over the last few months, AI has been on everyone's mind. But let's face it, talking about trends doesn't help you be more.

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Listen wherever you get your podcasts or watch on YouTube.com slash your rich BFF. Welcome back with the Sixpack. We are here on the Wayform podcast, playing another game because there's no fucking news this week. Whoa. Not enough. We just spent 50 minutes talking about news.

Yeah, four stories. Four stories than seven years ago, there was way more freaking news than this week. You know that you guys are yappers. It means tomorrow. Yeah. It's all going to happen. Oh, it's all good.

You know what state that was originally said in, right? New Jersey. Pencil fucking Vanya, which is the same state as Philadelphia, which is where the 76ers play. Why did you just throw something at Mariah? It was disrespectful. I threw something. I just kind of went across. Well, because there's no news.

Yeah. I actually am going to need that back. We're going to play a game. Adam says it's the newlyweds game, but contrary to popularly believe, I'm not married to Marquez. Yeah. May happen later. Yeah. TBD.

We'll see. This is the same game. we played earlier this year, Andrew adapted it for tech. And in his honor, because he is on paternity leave, air quotes, we are bringing it back to play it again. So if you don't remember how to play, I will be asking you guys a question. And you need to answer what the answer would be for your partner. So teams this week is going to be David and Marquez versus Ellis and Mariah. Again, there's a plus five confidence boost. What does that mean? If you really know the answer, yeah, we played it already.

I saw how poorly this went last time. I was pregnant with this. If you really know the answer that your partner is going to put down, you can confidence boost and you'll get plus five points. Remember when did the iPhone one and we both knew that we were thinking like iPhone 4S or something at the same time? We were locked in last time. We were locked. It was good.

Actually, you know what? Maybe I'll do plus three. Plus five is like a key code. Yeah, it's a lot. I'll do plus three. Plus three. It was good. Okay.

Are we ready? Yeah. Anyone have any questions? I don't think so. Do you want to explain how works for the listeners? Yeah. I thought I just did. Listen up.

He didn't. Maybe you didn't. Here's how it works. You just said there's a confidence boost. Andrew's, Jesus. Andrews, on paternity leave. Here's how it works. Adam is going to ask us a question, like the whole group.

Two of us are going to write and answer that question. Then our teammates are going to guess what we wrote on our boards. Thank you, Ellis. Thank you. Okay. I don't know what to do when you're not here by my side. I'm all alone over here. It's such a big table and just a little low me.

It's a warm me up. First question. All right. Who don't want to give this to? Let's see. Who gets first? Do you guys want to decide? Do you guys decide?

How confident are you in your partnership? Winner chooses. Wait, you guys are on the same team. That's okay. Okay. Well, it has to, one or the other has to get the question, right? Yeah. So on three or after three?

Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Shoot. Okay. Yeah. Ready? Rock paper, scissors, shoot. Rock paper, scissors, shoot. Oh.

Okay. I choose you to answer first. So y'all two are going first. Okay. First question. What app would you say? Wait, so I'm guessing what Marquez. Marquez and I are so good.

I'm answering. How often do we talk about apps? And you guess what I would do. So often. Yeah. We're like, you know, when we text, it's all app talk. Yeah. I figured your whole Slack message is just about apps.

Okay. What app would your partner say is their guilty pleasure? Oh. So you're saying what app your guilty pleasure is. Okay, okay. I'm wondering if you know this. I wonder if you know this. Wait, so I'm writing what my guilty pleasure is and then Mariah is guessing.

Yes, exactly. So Mariah, you're guessing my dirty pleasure app. Guilty. Not dirty pleasure. Definitely not dirty pleasure. Can I go back to my corner, please? I don't want to be here at the table. Guys, the lights are too bright.

Wayform After dark That's cute Wayform after dark Wow that's deeper than I thought it was I want to go home Every time All right

All right Let's see if Marquette's going to remember What do you got? I had two things come to mind I think yours is either Some obscure camera app Or it's literally Instagram David would feel guilty

For using a camera app Like his eighth camera app Or something But I also Earlier on this episode We were talking about How you wish Instagram DMs were separate

From Instagram So you didn't have to use Instagram so much So I think it's Instagram Do I tell them now? Sure Okay I don't get pleasure

From Instagram I'll tell you that We're so far away From guilt I'm sorry guys I will say It's Pokemon TCG Pocket

Ooh It's the only game I have on my phone But that's a good game Besides Bellotro Why is that your Guilty pleasure Because I don't

You know I have You spend no money on it. Yeah. But I still have guilt for playing games. Why? Because we live in America. We should work that out in therapy.

Have your fun. Play some games. Yeah. You're not still doing Bellatro, right? Sometimes. On the subway. Okay. It's good for the subway.

Belatro's offline? You ever play chess on your side? Yeah. Maybe I'll pick it up. Chess? Yeah. Oh, we'll get to that, Marquez. Okay.

Ellis. Ellis. Okay. I think. I'm putting all my eggs in one basket. I don't know much about Ellis, but I know. I'm in our four years of

working together. I'm going to put all my money on the McDonald's app. Oh, that would have been good. Damn, that is good. The app I feel guiltiest about using because of everything that goes down on it is Twitter. Oh, yeah.

That's valid. The Sixers Minister. Unbelievably plentiful ones. Yeah. Sixers' Twitter has been a really safe place for me lately, but the rest of that app is an ocean of chaos. That's the hard thing about Twitter is it's still, the people there are still the funniest people and the memes are still the funniest, but the ratio of that to just like racism and sexism and nudity is crazy. We hate it.

Sorry, L.S. I let you down. It's okay. Damn. Maybe you guys couldn't make it up with this one. All right. If your partner could get rid of one overhyped piece of tech from the last decade, what would it be? Oh gosh. Just snap your fingers and it's gone.

This is Marquez's writing. Yep. Overhyped piece of tech. is hard. An overhyped piece of tech from the last decade. From the last decade. I mean, I'm a hater. So it could be...

New soundboard bite. I don't even... Yeah, this is a tough one. I don't know how to have an answer. It could be software. It could be software. Overhyped. Yeah, an overhyped piece of tech.

I can get rid of... Should I run it again? Let's give you a little more time. Yeah, run it again. Overhyped. Supertech. This is a hard one. This feels like a cop out. It's like the first thing I can think of.

But think about what your partner would think of. Ellis hates a lot of things. I know. Yeah, yeah. We're both haters. How do I pick my biggest hate? Overhyped. With the hate flow through you.

What I'm Mariah think is overhyped so much. Well, do you think that you think is overhyped. I have a good answer. I picked an enormous answer. This is bad. I should just think of something on the spot. overhyped that I wish never happened get rid of it that David would wish never happened no no it's that no it's Marquez and I guess what he oh I'm sorry you're right

I don't know how to play this is like I don't know how to play this is like it last time okay no no I feel like you don't want to get rid of it right like you don't want to get rid of it I do what do you think it's just overhyped say say you don't have to get rid of it but that's fair just think of a piece of tech that's overhead From the last 10 years. Yeah. They're like, it's whatever compared to the hype the people behind it.

I don't. I mean, examples, I don't have. Mark, he's a true tech lover. He's a true lover of tech. Was it hyped, though? For some. Are you guys from the same thing?

I really hope you didn't write the humidity I think. Okay Damn I mean I have one that I think Marquez would put But I don't think that he thought of it Okay So Correct

Yeah This is a softball I'm gonna say the Humane A PIN Just like I think that's what he wrote At the last minute I wrote the Humane PIN Let's go One point

All right Yes Ellis and Mariah This is a tough one Because Is it hyped out It was, I mean, before it came out, it was hell-hyped. Yeah, dude.

They were hyped. That was super high. Do you not remember, like, the year leading up to it? Yeah, the year-de- we'd go on the website, and it would be like, we're not going to tell you what it is, but you're all f***ed. They all hyped it, and everyone watched it and went, no, it's not. Well, once they announced it.

No, we all looked at them and went, like, why are they hyping this so much? It's clearly not going to be. Expectations, reality. No, it was internal hype, expectations. Yeah. That's true. That's true. Anyway, Mariah, I know you're a hater,

but I also know you're someone that will live with the tech products you hate for some time. There was a while where the Slack was Mariah being like my pixel watch driving me. She loves the pixel watch. Couldn't you lose a pixel watch because it fell off your wrist and into a trash can? And you just decided you were not going to get it like that it was a side? I reached into a trash can and it unclipped itself into the trash can. It was a wall watch. It was like, my people, I'm home.

I was going to leave it at a Wawa. It was the first generation, by the way. The Pigsawatch is good now, but the first one was horrible. It's still here. She's still wearing to pixel watch. My instinct, you know, my first instinct is to make it something gamer-related, like gamer chairs. Gamers did afford this. But I think you wanted the point so bad that you went with a very banal answer.

So I am also going to say the Humane I. That's really unfortunate because that's true. Yeah. We should have, both of us should have tripled down on that. I was not going to. What I was thinking that you should have said, Marquez, because I know that you just hate nostalgia. Pixel watches go. I know that you're like a nostalgia hater.

You're like, this only exists because of nostalgia. Yes. Even though you're really hyped about backyard baseball coming back. Yes. I would have just said, which is also nostalgia. Yeah. Yeah. A final runner up for the new soundboard was Marquez saying,

we've just invented this really new, cool thing. But do you remember the old thing? That's a good one. Yeah, I would have said, for you, I would have done like emulators or something because it's all nostalgia base. In Mario Kart 39. Yeah. Okay. That's good.

That's good. This is somehow turning into the Hater Awards, but I love it. All right. Next question. I love this game. At what battery percentage do you think your partner starts freaking out and looking for a charger? Oh, gosh. Huh.

This is easy. Yeah, what battery percentage do I start freaking out, Mariah? I mean, Ellis is living large now. He's got... That man came from a mini. Yeah, he's no fear. He probably gets a 3% doesn't even think twice. David?

Yeah. I have a theory for this one. Okay. Yeah, I get... Is it like closest? Yeah, how close do we need to be? Because there's 100 digits. Closest without going over.

Without going over? Yeah. Dad, like that. So what did you put? Okay, I think I got an answer. Okay. All right. I think I know what you would say.

All right. I'm ready. Should I go first? Sure. Yeah. You're on an iPhone. And when you hit 20% on an iPhone and automatically switches the battery icon to red and switches to low power mode. And I think that's the exact moment you start looking for a charger.

So 20. 64. Ooh. Why? You start to freak out. I have. massive power anxiety, dude. I have battery anxiety all the time.

No, it doesn't matter that it's the air. It does, though. No. Yeah. Pretty much any device. The air is never even over 64%. Hey, you take it off the charge. My air is at 94 right now because I always keep it on the charge.

We've been doing nothing for an hour. How's it at 94? Yeah, because I've been doing nothing. So it drains 6%. Yeah, sitting there. Well, yeah, I guess. 64% on an iPhone 17 will last you the rest of the day. Yeah.

Not a 17 Pro will last you like two days. Not weekend. Either way, I get really anxious when my devices hit 64. Well, I didn't go over. Yeah, so you're 44 percentiles off. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's see what they get. What do you want to guess, Mariah?

I wish I had listened to you. You're not going to say anything. I feel like you could go feral. I think your phone could get pretty low before you're worried. I have been known to be pretty feral around these parts. I'm thinking single digits. That's what I would think. And my hunch is 5%.

This is really my fault. I don't even know why I'm mad. Because I am fair all. I put zero. What? I don't give a fuck anymore. I knew it. After that mini life, dude, my phone goes all the way down and I'm still chilling.

I'm fine with your fun being dead. Ellis, why would you say? Because I'm on a pro now. That's the only number I can lose that. It's really. I wrote it down and then Adam says closer without going over and I knew. I will say I knew that you would write zero. That's so funny.

I was going to say like 1%. I was thinking 3. As soon as soon as I said close it. going over. I was like, well, all of the numbers are over. That is... That means we get the point. Yeah, we get the default. Let's go. 45. I routinely...

Forteasy. I routinely... Forteasy. Like, don't really charge my phone that much. You're insane. Like, I regularly just, like, fall asleep with it. Well, the next question was going to be, what is your current battery percentage? Oh, but I just said. David just said it. So I have to ignore that one. Yeah, but it's Marquez. You said 94?

That's true. That is true. Okay, yeah. All right. On which phone of his? Don't worry about it. that's... That is fair. Okay, no, let's do the air. They're very different. The air?

What is the battery percentage on Marquez's phone right now? Are we doing closest not going over? Closest without going over. Without going over. Hmm. Interesting. Mara, what phone do you have right now? I'm sorry to all of my pixel lovers. We are now on the S-24 Ultra.

Oh, whoa. What happened to you? It's not by choice. What happened to your pixel? I cursed her is what happened. And Mariah seems like a, charges her phone every night kind of person. And Mariah drives

to work, which means she charges her phone in the car. Sometimes does. And she sat at her desk for about an hour and a half. What happened to your pixel? It fell one foot and the screen won't turn on. I cursed her. Was it a six? Yeah. Legendary.

Yeah. Probably the last remaining pixel six. Support ends in October. So it was time. That's fair. All right. I'm going to guess. Okay, I think that it's at,

without going over. Yeah, without going over, Marquez's iPhone Air. I think it's 72, but I'm going to give myself a little buffer room, I'm going to say 69. Nice.

Thanks. All right. What is it? 83. See, this is what I'm talking about. It's not that bad. 3, okay. The battery is not that bad.

Dude, it's 12 o'clock. We're not even halfway through the day. Yeah, I don't know, but anything. He's done nothing. What phone? iPhone air. iPhone air. Oh, okay.

That I feel really confident in my guess. So confident I'm using this. I'm confident. Oh, snap. It could be a plus three. And I think Mariah has 84% battery or greater. And that is why I have 91%. Damn, triple.

I made it up. I made up for my 0% gaff. Wow. That's nice. Plus three points for Ellison Mariah. A trip. Is that they call it a trip in basketball? You get a triple?

A three-pointer? Sure, man. Yeah, it could work. What do they call it a trip? Well, I don't want to. Honestly, yeah. Yeah, that works. Three.

Yeah, a trip. My baby got a lot of trips. All right. He got an okay amount of trips. Okay. I had the bobblehead. The baby bobblehead. Quick update on the score after that confidence boosts by Ellis.

He and Mariah now have four total points. David and Marquez running up the rear with two. Okay. We can still get our confidence in. Lock it? Yeah. We got to get this one. You got to get it.

All right. Is your partner a read receipts person? person or a red receipts person. Oh. I'm guessing I'm guessing Marquez. Wait, what? No, you're saying. How do you say it?

How do you pronounce it? Read or red receipts? We've literally yelled at each other about this so many times. I didn't know this was even a debate. Yeah. We debate all the time the way it's supposed to be said. Read receipts or red receipts. I don't even know what you're writing on your whiteboard.

It's going to be the same. Wait, what do you mean? It's phonetic. Oh, okay, okay. You write phonetically. All right. What do we got? I am not as confident in this as I want to be.

Oh, my goodness. I'm not using it. I'm not using it. I, but I think you say read receipts. David. Mark, which is incorrect. What happened to you? Red?

I thought you said read. No, I said red. Read receipts. Okay. Oh, my. And you say, that's why I didn't use the confidence. That's why I didn't use it. We had to lock in, Mark.

I forgot. It's okay. Damn, that's my fault. It's okay. Well, I'm correct, so it's fine. Right, I think you should use your confidence boost here. Do we each get one? Yeah.

Oh. I think you should. No, every player gets one. We got to lock that. I mean, if you feel confident. I mean, there's only one right answer. I think so. There is only one right answer.

There's no debate. I agree with you. I think you should use it. There's a lot of talking. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, are you using the confidence boost or not? I'm going to use the confidence boost on... Oh, snap. Read receipts.

What the one? No! This says red receipts. Bro, okay. Listen to me. Listen to me, Mariah. Listen to me. Ellis.

A receipt, right? A receipt means the other person has seen it, correct? A receipt in here. That means that they have read your message. Yeah. A receipt is inherently a token generated by an action in the past. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it.

It's read. It's read receipts. Give me your logic. Did you read it? No, they read it because you got the receipt. So is this team read and team read? You are the one that got the receipt and they read your message. You would never say, like, this is a receipt of something I buy.

You would say this is a receipt of something I bought because you did it in the past. This receipt, it's a receipt, which is something that happened before. This receipt is a token of them having read my message. But for some reason, the phrasing read receipt, because we never say like grocery receipt or tax receipt or whatever. It's just a unique phrase of read receipt. Like we just happen to use these words next to each other in this way. No. And for whatever reason, it's read receipt.

Red receipt doesn't, it just doesn't work. They read it. They read it. Yeah, so you'd say they read it. And they got a read receipt when they read it. You know, you got a read receipt when they read it. You say not. Read receipt?

Yeah. Read receipt. You do not get a receipt of your own message. This is f*** up. I got a re-up. I got a re- Why would you do this? I get the receipt. When they read your message.

I want Andrew to come back. I miss Andrew. Yeah. So it's a read receipt. But they have read it by the time you get the receipt. No. When they read it, I get a receipt. Read receipt.

No, it's their read receipt, but it's your red receipt. How about that? What's the next question? We need to move on. This is disappointing. We've already done this debate many times on this podcast. Yeah, that's tough. This is your fault.

You threw a head fake. Completely wrong direction. That's great. I love it. All that talking worked out in Marquez's favor. Yeah. All right. Yeah.

Next question. I'll go a little easier this time. It's right. Okay. It is red. You can be wrong. It's fine. Ellis and I are right.

It's okay to be right. If your partner could only use one phone for the rest of their life, what would it be? Assume the phone is in working condition forever. How specific do I need to be? Like one phone at all. One phone. I need model, yeah. It doesn't need to be like the gigabyte storage, you know, like whatever.

But like a one phone. One phone person. That will work forever. It's a one phone person But they can't switch off of that phone What would it be? That's kind of tough Oh, it's for me?

It's my phone. Your phone? Yeah. So, oh yeah. You need to guess, David. I'm guessing, yeah. Yeah. Ellis, I don't know.

Okay. I'm going to guess the S-26 Ultra. Why would you guess that? Really? That's like, I don't know. Really? Not anymore? No.

One plus 15. Sh-Hi. iPhone 17. Just give me the big one that'll get a ton of years of software updates. Oh, you thought way too practical.

For you, I would have put HCC-1M8. Like, this is the phone that I can use forever. That's a different question. That's a different question. That's it. One phone that you can use forever.

Doesn't, like, assume it's working forever, perfectly functioning, perfectly, you know? Oh, a hypothetical phone that works forever. Is it the S-26 Ultra? No, I really, I mean, I would probably use like an older like a favorite song from past. It's just because you were always switching back to both the S24 and the S25 Ultras. But notably not the S26 Ultra, so why would you pick that one?

I know that. I know that, but I... This is the first year he's like mating at One Plus. Damn. Yeah. We tried. But you didn't like the camera on the one plus, right? Not really. Yeah, so that's why it was...

Yeah, but that's why he has an iPhone air for that awesome single camera. Yeah, what are you even doing for photography? An Apofine X-N-Utru. You have three phones with you? No? Yes. Jesus. What did this happen?

We have a backpack for that. Wait, but don't you have the hustle blot in a backpack? Not all the time. That thing is heavier. I've never seen I use the hustleblot. Marquez, have you seen those? The outside. Do you know the harmonica vests?

Kind of? Like if you're really serious about harmonica, you've worn every key. Yeah. You wear a vest and you keep, I think we might, you're going to close to this phone vest. I got the iPhone Air Pocket,

the X-9 Ultra Pocket. Michael Fisher used to have one of those. Yeah. A little dual chest. strap thing. I can do that. I can rock that. Yeah.

Okay. Anyway, Ellis and Mariah. Mariah, the first thing I have to deduce is whether or not you answer this question realistically or fancifully and went with like a feature phone that is somehow like miraculously working on modern or if you went, you know, the realistic answer. I'm curious what Mariah would say.

I think I kind of panicked. I'm not going to laugh. I kind of think I know. I'm going to assume. Marquez doesn't like my answer. Yeah, I'm going to assume that means you went realistic. and if you panicked, it means you went with something reliable. So I'm going to say that you went with your classic coral pixel 6.

That's my guess. That would be the safe answer and probably a more rational choice than the pixel 3A. Why would you do the 3A? That's so specific. Because I had the pixel 3A and it was the nostalgia. I missed the back. Didn't have the fingerprint on the back. Yeah, that's a good thing.

She's kind of cute. It's tall. Yeah, there's so much. It had the teal power button, right? Is that the one? No, those are the two. Didn't it have different. The 3A, I don't think had that.

I think it's it. The 4. I'm remembering the 2. The 4A had. The 4A came in a pink color or orange color. We had a big art. The 4 days. The 4 came in the sand.

Not the 4A. It was purely. 4A came in 4. It was like, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Oh, yeah. Like salmon. Yeah, salmon. It was just small.

It's portable. It's not small. And it was a 4A. The 3A was bigger than the 3. Well, 3. XL, I think, was bigger. No, but the 3A was bigger than the 3. Maybe my memory doesn't serve me well. Yeah, it was annoyingly big.

The nostalgia glasses are real. The A's are all big, which is annoying. Yeah, it was a terrible answer. I just find it hilarious that you chose an A series phone. Like, I was just going to get that. Yeah. All right, we got to lock back in. Locked.

No, no, walk back in. Locked out, please. We're locked out. We've got to lock in. Well, one point ahead, but with no bonuses. No, two points ahead. Two points I have both. But no bonus.

We both have our bonuses. Yeah. They both have their bonuses. Okay. Next question. Windows seat or aisle seat. Like, what would Marquette? Oh, would I do?

Yes. Oh, yeah. Well, look how fun the buttons on the Pixel 3 are. Oh, no. I'm actually, no, that's valid. I was picturing this accent. You do book my flights, Marquez. Well, Harvard does.

I know, which is crazy because I have logic for why you would say both. Oh, yeah. I know the answer. I think I know the end. Yeah. This is another 50-50 split. Because of booking in the past. Right.

Because of... I'm going to use my... I'm not going to say. I can't. I'm not going to say. I can't use it yet. I can't use it yet. I can't use my confidence yet.

Okay. My logic is David's bringing his camera. He's definitely going to want a window seat to take pictures out the plane window. However, comma, I think I'm the only one who prefers a window seat when I've booked people in the studio. They either say, give me an aisle or I don't care. So I think David is one of the aisle people. That's your official guess?

Yeah. Always Windows C. Is this question? Yeah, because I love. Did you say you preferred window? Yeah, always, always. The only reason I say I don't care

so that other people can get Windows C, I think we're all Windows C people. Is this about when we're flying for, I don't want to ask this question because I think he's like an asshole. Is that business class or economy class? Wow, you rich. I know. I didn't want to, it does matter. That's drastically Yes, that changes my answer. That's true. Yeah, that's a big difference. So what is it?

For me, it doesn't matter. What would you put down? I put down one. I can't say it. Well, you have a different answer. Oh, interesting. No, I put down economy because I'm a man of the people. In which case you prefer one thing, but yeah, yeah. But, hmm. Mm-hmm. 100%. Okay, I think that helps me know what you said. Yeah. Well, it doesn't matter what you say. Okay, well, with my deductive reasoning and my 50-50% chance of getting it right. I do know on United that the aisle seat has smaller footroom. What?

Really? Yeah. Like when you're putting your backpack under, actually the backpack room is smaller than the window seat. That's true. But I do know you're a man of long legs. And so. My legs are the long way. That does make me feel like you would prefer more.

space. You like a view, but I feel like you value being closer to the snacks, which makes me feel like. This is the most like LLM. No, wait. You like a view, but you also prefer. I cannot answer this question. And I feel like you are an aisle C early.

You nailed it, Mariah. We got to lock it. Soundboard 2.0 has a long way button if you go to page one. Waveform podcast. The long way. Okay, we got to lock in. Damn, we got to use our doubles. We never mentioned we updated the sound board.

I guys have been asking for weeks. There's a lot of new stuff on here. A lot of new sounds. We're trickling them out. Yeah, nice. All right, they'll be rolling out over the upcoming weeks. Lock in, lock in. We need this three-pointer right now.

Okay. We need this tray. Try. Triple. Trip. Trip. We need this trip. Yep.

Triple double flip. Your partner is making a list of specs. in a Google Doc. Okay. Are they using dashes or bullet points? Oh, no. What kind of question is this? No, dude, it's important.

Design to make you fight. Dude. Andrew and I... Wait, up, oh, eh, don't give too much away. That's true, I can't say. Well, no, but Marquez is the one that's... I'm guessing him. So it doesn't matter.

It just matter what I put. Okay. Andrew and I kind of co-write the podcast together, and I use bullet points, and he uses... dashes and it's infuriating. And I'm sure it's also infuriating for him. Did I use... What's getting this argument?

I love the bullet points. Why? I don't know, man. I have a real big brain answer for this. I have a small brain answer and it proves that I'm right. That's also the big brain answer, surprisingly. All right, flip and read, what do we got? Smooth out, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that.

Wait, we're not ready yet? We guess. We haven't guessed yet. Oh, you're right. I'm in trivia mode. Yeah, I'm in the way. Do not flip and read. Should I trip it right now?

Should I trip this? It is 50-50. So it might be worth tripping. I'm going to trip it. I'm tripping for bullets. Marquez? Thank you, Marquez. This dashes for me, dog.

It's dashes. You literally just said he uses bullets. No, I use bullets. No, I use bullets. Where do you think he got that from? Daddy. Ellis, you're up. I'm just trying to think if I've, we've definitely collabbed on a Google Doc before.

I just can't remember what you do. But I believe so strongly that one of these is the right answer. And I believe that answer is dashes, which is why I'm going to say, Mariah. You're probably a bullet point person. Nice. Nice. I knew if I went with my gut, I'd be wrong. I should have known that too.

I like dashes because you don't need to click the mouse. That's true. That's true. You don't need to click the mouth. If you just hit the dash button on a new line and then hit space, it goes into formatting. But it turns into a bullet. No, it turns into a bullet. No, it never turns into a bullet. I do it all the time.

I never. Well, so you do use bullets? No, I hit a dash and hit space and it makes it a bullet. In what word processor? Maybe it's not Google Docs. So in Apple notes, I can say with 100% certainty, it's dashes. Yeah, but it's Apple notes. In Tick, I know it makes it bullets, but maybe.

The question was Google Docs. Yeah. It was about Google Docs. I think in Google Docs, it's also Dash. I was going to say, wait. So what do you think happens? Let me test it out right now. So if you hit, create a new line.

Yeah. Create a new line. Hit Dash and then hit Space and then it should indent it. It stays a dash. Let's go. Put it indents it? Yeah. It indents it, but it stays dash.

But I think you might be thinking of tick. There's a couple apps that treat you differently. Yeah. Wow. Another zero. I'm sorry. How many points we go right now? Six points.

All right. Marquez, you got to use your trip on me. I do. You got to know what I'm thinking. Yeah. I'm trying to lock in. I'm locking in. Lock in.

Okay. All right. Are we ready? If they had to use one kind of phone for the next year, would it fold or flip? Me? You got to pick one. Oh, God. Sorry.

For the next one year. For the next year, just a year. No. It's terrible. Right. No, it's okay, I'm the sound guy. Okay, I got one. I think I got one.

I'm nervous. My eraser looks like pig pen from the peanuts. My board does because of the lack of quality of my eraser. I'm nervous. I think Mara, I should go first. Mara, what I put? I feel like it's the opposite of what I would do. It is.

You don't even know what I'm going to say. I do know what you're going to say. I do know what you're going to say. I have tiny pockets, so I'd want the flip, so I feel like you want the fold. Exactly. Because I love, I was really loud. I'm sorry about that. I love performatively reading,

and there's nothing better than reading on a folding phone. It's like a book, but not. When you have a folding tone folded out and you're able to have two columns of text, it actually is like a game change. And it says, look at me.

Yeah. Look at me. Not quite as much as a book, I'm reading. I'm better than you. I don't want to use my confidence. Sixers and seven. Even in your fantasy,

you have Sixers going to the game seven. I be careful. Because that's, I'm like, 78% sure of this one. 78, not 67? But unfortunately that means I'm 22% unsure, which is like one for five.

Yeah. And I don't, I think you would want to max out and get a fold. It's one year. You could, you could, edit photos, you could use, yeah, I'm gonna go fold.

Fold, okay. Nice. I didn't use a confidence. You did not use a confidence. Confidence. Yeah. I wasn't confident. Yeah.

I haven't used a flip since the first Z flip. They're fun. Yeah. The flip sevens. The new ones are great. Yeah. I should try one of the new ones. It's been a while.

Okay. Next question. We didn't fall behind. No. No. We need a hit a huge three to cut the lead to one. Huge trip. Huge trip.

Yeah. Yeah. What is one thing that your partner actually uses AI for? Go. Oh, I don't mean. Editing his videos. I've answered this on the podcast already. Am I allowed to guess?

You have? Nothing. Sure, yeah. That's enough. I wish I could use my trip right now because I know this. Damn. Wait, why can't you use a trip? Because already.

Oh, trad already. I think I know this. I might not. No. Oh, wait. I guess I didn't have to write it down. Okay, I wrote, well, I, I'm saying brainstorming. Okay.

That is, does that count? The second thing I use it for. Oh, god-de-che. But the number one thing I use it for. Is it for emails? Yeah. You guys all looked at me like I had my head chopped off. I hate when I get an email that was clearly written by AI.

That's why I make it unclear. Keep them guessing. Yeah. Honestly, all of the emails. Damn. AI talking to AI anymore. At least I didn't use my trip, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

true. Mariah. You're not wrong. That's also what it. Yeah. My first instinct is that you wrote, you don't use it for anything, but I do know of one thing that you used it for

occasionally, and I just don't know if you put it or not, but because it's so infrequent, which is when you had a pixel editing photos to make them funny in slack. Like you did the one of you touching the ceiling and jumping really high. Oh yeah.

That's funny. But I don't think you did that. I think you wrote nothing. I think nothing was my default, but then I realized I actually do use it only to

compile lists. So I'll feed it like an image that I want it to turn into a list or a receipt and I want it to break it down. And that's all I really use. Wait, that's actually a really smart use case. Yeah, I'm not going to do the math. I don't know figured out. It's valid.

Otherwise, nothing. Okay. Sick. Well, score is still seven to three. Let's go. Lock in, in. Who has their trips left?

Only Marquez. Just me. I guess I got to use it soon. Okay. How many questions are left? I have... Enough for us to win. I have five questions left, but AI has like 30 pulled up.

Okay, David. Yeah, I'm ready. Locked? Locked. The fuck. I'm in. Locked and loaded. Speaking of locking in, great segue.

What is one sign that your partner is locked in and in the zone and should not be bothered. Me? So y'all are, they're answering? I already forgot who was writing. Who just... What's a sign? Okay, yeah.

I think it was a pretty clear one. Okay. I'm trying to think if there's any others. Quick reminder, the only one with a trip is Marquez. I think I'm going to use it. Really? Damn, David, I think this trip thing might stick. I'm going to start calling him that.

Mike, baby, with the trip. Yeah. Why not? Sure. That else is still writing? Sorry, I wrote, tried to write a letter, but it looked like another letter and I didn't want the viewers to laugh at me. They're going to do that anyway. And I welcome it, man.

I'm wearing a blue dog. I'm like, this is nothing. All right. Should I go first? Yeah. I'm using my confidence. Oh, snap. My three.

Okay. Using the trip. I think when David's locked in, he's got his AirPods in. don't interrupt what he's doing he's in the zone okay it's just like my earpuzzin he's got headphones on somehow yeah

David does this count I can't hear you the fuck does that mean what do you mean by that okay you know when okay it's like when I'm locked in right I'm like I'm working on something

and I'm thinking really hard and someone's like hey David David David and I can't hear them oh okay okay headphones well sometimes times? You, because you have headphones. Your own partner is like, no.

I can't hear you because I have headphones on. I feel like that's close enough. I think that's fair. He's got metaphorical headphones on. Yeah, brain headphones. Where's your competitive spirit? For the sake of the game, I'll give it to them.

Yeah. That's nice. That was the most roundabout way of saying that, though. Now it's six to seven. Ah. Damn it. You better. That's true.

After selling our team out like that. I think if you're at work here I think the door is closed boom baby let's go that's like the most obvious that seems like an Ellis question give me some little reverb right now

let's go nice I actually thought that that was like Ellis's answer was obviously if he's like in the audio room door closed whatever I thought the obvious other answer was you're wearing headphones so I was like this will be an easy point yeah so did I

you both got it I wear headphones all the time. Like, I wear headphones like 80% of my waking life. Wait, was that, was that more because of his confidence answer? That was. Oh, my man. Yeah, so now it's eight to six. He got it right, he got it right, though.

It's okay, we're still winning. Yeah, you're winning by two. By two. All right. All right. All right. The score is eight to six. All right.

How many more questions do you guys want? Enough for us to win. So three? Three more questions. Three more questions. All right. Three more questions. Got to go miss one.

It's game over. Yeah. Can't miss. It's a game winning three. Yeah, we got to get perfect score. Lock the, game winning trip. Lock in. Game winning trip.

Mike Bibby. Mike Bibby. As they say in the league, Bibby style. Bibby style. Bibby style. All right. Baby bubble head.

Do you think Mike Bibby listens to this podcast? God, I hope so, because he used to be one of my favorite players. Yeah, he's lit. Yeah. Just like Slovakovich or whatever's name. Stoyakovich, close. Nice, nice. Look at you, David.

I'm so proud of you. Hey, man. Slavakovich. I was, I was, I was, I was living. David Knows Ball. I live near Sacramento. Near. All right.

What is the screen time on your partner's phone right now? Screen time for the day. Delta, close going over. We'll do Delta with this one. Which phone? What would you consider as your primary phone? The one plus 15.

I have one more question. Is it listed as a decimal? Like point blank hours? It's hours and 15. Hours in minutes. Hours in 15. Hours in 15. They're listed an hour and 15

In my head I was just picturing like 8 hours and 15 minutes So I said 15 Clearly wrong Screen time today Yeah screen time today Oh to

Thus far today Like thus far today Yeah Diddy Mind you what time is it Is it It is now 1253 in the PM Okay

All right I'm gonna guess One hour 15 minutes One hour and 15 minutes Markaz Oh 13 minutes off Oh, no. Marquez put one hour and 28 minutes. Let's go.

So you're 13 minutes off. We're locked in. Very close. All right. That's bad as close as I think you're going to be. Can Mariah and Ellis beat this? I'm going to try to live my day in the world of Mariah. I think.

It's like 12.54. Mara is like 12 hours. 54? I think Mariah wakes up unbelievably early due to the horrors. I think Mariah is confronted by the horrors. It's a fair guess. The screens. Yeah.

Almost immediately. and resolves this by going on her phone. I think this begins at approximately 10 a.m. That's when work starts. Mariah. I think thus far today, it's like 25. Does driving maps count a screen on time?

Yeah. It does. It does. It takes you into a car play, however. I think you've used your phone for two hours. Oh, man, I'm already wrong. two hours and 27 minutes okay

so I have to preface this with I have switched to the S24 Ultra it does fun things fun things that punish you and that means that when you plug in your phone you can have it show a little picture slideshows how cute when you plug it in overnight it counts at a screen time

really did they even test this and so I'll wake up and it'll say 10 hours of screen time. I'm like, that's crazy. I've been unconscious. And so today it decided that I have had five hours in nine minutes of screen time. Wow.

Which means it didn't even show pictures all night long, so what's the point? I think we should, you should be a professional phone review. You're actually finding the crazy. Yeah, that was good. This was a huge problem. Oh, that point goes to Marquez and David. I'm good. Sorry.

We were doomed from this. We only need two more points and we need two. Two more points. They just need to miss one question. It is not enough. It is not enough that we just need to make one question and we tie. I know. In which case, we got a shot.

Oh, my God. Game seven. Oh, I've been here before. Game seven. All right. Yeah, it said on Sunday, I had 11.5 hours of screen time. Damn. And half of that's from the Google photos.

11 and a half. Wow. That's a lot. That's wild. Okay. Next question. For the tie or to pull away. How many unread emails are in your partner's main inbox right now?

Marquesas's. Yep. Oh, no, it's yours. It's mine? You're talking about, like, personally. Wait, we just answered. Or work email. How many emails are your inbox?

My main email. Main, yeah, exactly. Unread emails. Because I know David has, like, the all inbox features. Can I look? Yeah, you're supposed to look. Yeah. By Maine, you mean, like, my professional one, right?

It just says, Maine. It doesn't tell us. It doesn't tell us. Like, Maine isn't professional. Not like my high school. I use for spam. Right. On desktop, I think you can see the full number. I'm just going to go by the number that's on my iOS icon red.

Okay, yeah, that works. Wait, should I do that too? Sure. But that's also got my spam email in it. Okay, fine, screw it. Let's do that. Should we do it? Yeah, why not? Just do the number on your home screen. Do it all.

It's really important. Is this, is this? We'll do Delta with this one. We'll do Delta. No, wait, that's going to be crazy. Okay, closest without going over. I don't want to do math. Yeah.

Closest without going over. Okay. Closest without going over. I feel like you have commas in your number. Oh, man. We are the worst. We are the worst. To be fair, I really try to make this better every week and it never gets better.

It doesn't matter. It compounds. It does. It's okay. All right. I, these numbers are terrible. They're going to be atrocious. Is this like your oldest email you've...

This is like... The Gmail icon on your home screen. So it accounts for all of your emails. Oh, it compounds all of them. I think so, yeah. Oh, um, this number is in the thousands. This is thousands of emails. I can't speak.

I'm not going to make any faces. I just want you to dig deep into your heart and give me the perfect number, Mariah. I think this has to be. But don't go over. Yeah. At least. I'm going to say a round number, 10,000. Okay.

10,000. Briah, goaded answer. Whoa. Crap. What's the answer? The answer is 10,000 and 97. That's so cool. How many emails, like, accounts do you have?

Wait, is this. Disturbing. This is close as what's going over, but not Delta, right? Yeah, I have to get within 97 of your number without going over. Or the game is over. No pressure, Marquez. We're asking you to make a double coverage logo three. It's dame time.

And David's, without question, a ridiculous number. But how ridiculous? It's more than that if I had to guess. I do think so. They did sit next to each other for a long time. There's for sure, comma in there. David asked about the icon and the spam email and all kinds of other stuff. So I'm going with like almost an Olivia like number here.

I think you have like, let's go with 34,000 and six. Can it go that high? We're about to find out. No, I've 11,000. 927. That means Mariah and Ellis win the game. Well played.

Wow. That's an incredible snipe, 10,000 emails. That was really good. That was crazy. It feels appropriate. You know how they say if you have 10,000 hours in something you're a master? Ellis is a master.

How many unread emails do you think I have right now? I don't know, like one. Yeah, I was excited to guess for you. I know the answer. It's probably one or two. It's zero. During it, it'll be how many I got? During the podcast.

He's querying it during the podcast. 18. As we've sat here. If I got to guess for Marquez, it would have been incredible. We would have gotten a point. But yeah, there's really no knowing how many emails I was at a time. 13. 13.

That's a lot. For the past. Get it together, bro. Just sitting here. Yeah. That's crazy. Not bad. All right.

Well, we're going to take it to add break. Well, Mariah and I high five a few times. then we'll be back. Well, we got to do trivia questions, right? Oh, my God. I forgot. Oh, yeah. Do we do them from here?

Yeah, because I have my question memorized because I'm a freaking... Because he's a body of beast. I just with a trivia question. I love that. That might be my favorite one. That's so good. Guys. Yeah.

Guys. Yep. We're all excited for the pixel book glow because it has lights on the outside. That's right. But I don't know if you remember. Back in the day, MacBook also had some lights on the outside. Talk about it last week. Real dorks will remember that the light on the outside of the MacBook, that glowed logo, was not actually a dedicated component.

What component already present in the laptop was used to illuminate the logo? Oh, that's a good trick. Thank you. Cool. Grock context, please. Mariah, you will be answering for Andrew. Yes, this week. I'm so sorry, Andrew.

What's it called in the Hunger Games when they're like... Tribute? Is that what? No, maybe I'm thinking of someone else. When you have to go, you're champion. You are Andrew's champion. How did I get the Hunger Games and do the next step? Same vibe.

Hit the boo button. Well, the answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back. Let's talk groceries. Specifically, your groceries. With Instacart, you want your groceries just the way you like them, right? Well, the Instacart app lets you do just that. They have a new preference.

picker that lets you pick how ripe or unripe you want your bananas. Shoppers can see your preferences up front, helping guide their choices. Instacard, get groceries just how you like. Welcome back. There's a post on our subreddit that I want to address. No, David. It says, okay, there's a post that says, which people do you think hate each other on Wayform?

We all love each other, guys. Yeah, it's not like that. Like, the Post said that Ellis and I hate each other. Which is crazy. Because we would kiss in the Vision Pro if we could. We only have one. Literally every Wednesday, David and I get Chinese food for breakfast together and drive to work. It's not like that.

Shut up, bust. So I just wanted to say that. Everyone here loves each other. Deeply, it's good. That's very good. Oh, my God. Exactly. Adam loves that new button.

It's so good. You got to chill with that button. Yeah. So, yeah, there wasn't a lot of news this week. Yes, but people did. tag me in something that I had no idea what was going on and I was like what are you talking about and then I figured that I would ask David here on the pod because I have them here in the pod to talk about your picture going viral so I saw your tweet okay well okay I did on Twitter and

threads yeah I first saw it quote tweeted on Twitter so someone else tweeted it on my timeline and then I saw that I clicked in and it had like 10,000 retweets or something yeah and then I saw I opened up threads and I saw it on threads too from you this time and it had I think 8,000 likes on threads yeah yeah it's so it's a certified banger what is the post okay and what happened um and where were you i just want to ask do you guys know what a visual metaphor is no yes no not on the internet those don't exist can you describe a visual metaphor for i guess well a simile is when you compare things using the word like and the metaphor is when you compare things without using the word like wow so instead of saying this car

is like a boat. I would say this car is a boat. Anyway, a visual metaphor is comparing things visually without using any this is kind of like this language. Yeah, okay. Is that what your post was?

Okay, so I just want to give you some cards. Yes. Okay, so... Sick. Last Saturday, I walked 29,000 steps because it was a really nice day. Weird flex, but okay. Just got to let you know.

I respect it. I'm still in pain. So, anyway, I got to my destiny, but I overshot it by a little bit. There was a little park there. So I sat in the park. And it's classic New York, beautiful, like, late afternoon, sunsetsing park.

In New York, there are these chess tables where there are tables that have, like, the chess board, like embedded in the stone table. You know, iconic New York situation, right? And I was sitting there and I saw this guy sitting on his chess tables with his laptop, like in his lap, playing chess on like a chess. Like chess.com website. Yeah, chess.com like on the chess table

with no one across from him. And I was just like, visual metaphor. Right? This is the photographer's eye. You've trained for years. So I use my iPhone air at 6X zoom. Very far away.

Which is really bad. But it's what I had on me. And I took a photo. I made sure to like... David, you know what they say about the camera you have on you? It's the worst. It's the worst.

You know, I made sure to crop out any identifying features about him. I only had his hands with the laptop so you could see the screen that was the chess app or the chess website with the chess board. And I made sure to shoot it from high enough down so you could see the chess board on the table. Anyway, I was just like, I just put it on social media. I said 2026. Yeah. Because it represents, it's a visual metaphor because it represents the fact that we are no longer. playing things in front of each other, doing connection in front of each other.

Now everything you do is online and you're connecting with strangers that you don't really know. Metaphors hit a lot harder when you explain them. I mean, apparently I have to. This is what, okay, this is what. What's the beef? Most of their quote tweets and the replies and everything were just like, well, who is he supposed to play with? There was no one on the other side. I was like, yes.

That is the entire point. That's what makes it a good name. And there were people that were like, don't judge, don't judge strangers. And I was like, I'm not judging him. They're judging them. It's a visual metaphor for our society. Your caption was 2026. That's all the caption was.

It's clearly saying like this picture represents this year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do see how this could be threads rage bait. I'm not going to lie. Ooh. Talk about it, Mariah.

Rage bait. Talk about it. Some threads that are just kind of like, look at this thing. Yeah, but I didn't say, look at this guy. What a loser playing chess by himself. You know what I mean. Like it's something generic enough. It hits a mainstream audience.

And then there's no, nothing to guide the interpretation. So it's just open to what anyone thinks. I think. I just love the picture. The problem with all algorithmic social media. You disagree. Sorry. No, I want your take.

I want to take. Well, no, I disagree with Mariah. Oh. I think, I think, man, I don't want to insult people. Yeah, look at these comments. It's almost as if he needs another person to play chess. Yes. They're taking a literal interpretation of it.

Yeah. And they're not understanding the visual metaphor. I think this screams that, you know, we talk about like media literacy being in crisis. Like, to me, this is like a slam dunk of literacy. Like, like, it could, it could. It's like the, if we lost the ability to process, like, symbolism. Yeah. Yeah.

What? Like social media just flattens everything to. Which, to Mariah's point is the mainstream, like, once it hits that mainstream audience, you lose all. You lose a nuance. Yeah. Yeah. And you get like Karen from Ohio. Like I think.

Yeah. But that's the other person. But that's a problem. Yeah. Yeah. That's like a big problem. Yeah. Yeah.

That's why it was such a beautiful post. And thank you for people tagging me telling me to talk about it. Yeah. It seems like it started a conversation, good or bad. So I think that's probably the most interesting part of it. Yeah. It hit the Twitter number one, what's happening today thing. Someone sent me a screenshot of that.

You know what's super funny too is the amount of people. that like acquaintances that I have that sent me like meme compilation pages that just stole the post and like removed my name. So I was gonna say that's how I first saw the picture was someone just hosted your picture and like had a caption like

this is what's wrong with Twitter and I was like okay scroll right by whatever and then I saw yours and I was like wait a second yeah this is David's picture. Yeah so he tweeted this six years ago now I know what it feels yeah exactly now I know what it feels like to have someone just rip your content

and put it on meme pages and stuff. Yeah. But I've had a ton of people send me like various meme pages that just, it's like, whatever. Mark has no experience with that. Not at all.

I was going to say, welcome to the life cycle of a viral social media post. It will be stripped of its context and read digested by every other commentator and their own angle. Yeah.

And there's nothing you can do about it. Yeah. The thing about social media that I think sometimes is interesting, okay, I had a conversation. This is an off camera, off-kilter, random conversation I had with a YouTube engineer about features that they could add or not add to YouTube.

Okay. And they told me, you know, in a few words, that they tend to be pretty minimal with the features that they add or don't add. And algorithmically, they could make big changes, but they tend not to. And they let people's algorithms reflect them. Like, they could choose to push certain things or even remove certain things from the algorithm because it would be better for society in their own judgment. But the second you make a judgment and influence it, then slippery slope you have to judge a whole bunch of other things.

There's also all the Section 230 problems that come along with that. So his basic stance was like YouTube is like it's so dense with media and so many people and so much stuff that it's kind of just like a mirror of society and all the good and all the bad. And when a post goes viral, it's like unnaturally exposing your art to the whole world. Usually it doesn't work that way. Usually you expose it to the audience it's designed for and that's it. But on social media, you can sometimes expose it to the entire world,

which comes with all of the interesting positive interpretations and then all of the random people who were never meant to see this who have all sorts of nonsensical things to say about it. And yeah, that happens all the time. Yeah. Well, it's kind of a bummer when they don't get it. When it's stripped of, there's even, there's things like cultural context, right? Like, when you're shown to the entire world on a platform, all of the context is just like,

you're going to be shown to people who just do not understand what you're trying to say or like what you're posting. The target demographic is no longer the only audience of that thing. Yeah. So, I don't know. I don't even care about, you know, the meme page of stealing it and stuff. I just thought it funny that like multiple of people that I know sent it to me. But it's more, I was more frustrated by like 80% of the replies. quote tweets just like a lot of them i think they did understand the visual metaphor but they were rage baiting by quote tweeting and being like what a f***um app i just that's also how people get likes themselves i know hop onto the no dude that's popular there's a guy that quote tweeted me

and he was very nice he said this photo deserves a politzer oh and his his quote tweet got like almost as many likes as the post. And then I saw him post later like, wow, my posted numbers. I was like, you didn't make a post. You just quote tweeted my post. Like, what the, what is social media anymore?

It's just like big competition. It's hard because it makes me like kind of not want to engage and interact on platforms. I've been thinking about this so much for the last couple of years. Like I'm less and less inclined to say anything on social media, because it feels like the incentive structures are all leaning towards people having opposing opinions to you. Most inflammatory possible response will be rewarded the most. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

And so, like, having any opinion or posting anything, people are just going to come for you. And it's like, why am I even putting this out into the world if I'm just inviting people to scream at me? I'm going to clip that, put it on TikTok. Good. Then I'm going to repost it after you do that. We live in the clip economy now. Maybe.

So anyway. David, thank you for explaining that to me because I had no idea what they were talking about until they tagged me in it. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your service to the world. You're welcome.

It deserves a politzer. All right, on to trivia. This is my new trivia starting gesture. That's also the timeout gesture. Making a T with your hands. Technical foul, this is trivia. I was going to say, like, I just feels like you'd give me a tech.

Ellis. Trivia time. If you can call it a tech, you should be able to call it a trip, just saying. Got him. That's, I like it. I'm on board with this trip whole situation. This whole trip situation.

All right. Question number one. Chromebook Pixel came out in 2013. This is Mariah's first time hearing this question. So you have to answer for Andrew. Okay. What was the size of the screen? Closed this without going over.

Of the nearest decimal. Of which device? The Chromebook pixel that came out in 2013. It was a laptop. A Chromebook. I wasn't born yet. Yeah. Ellis only came on live in 2014.

That wasn't the one with the light bars, was it? It was. Oh, shoot. I didn't have that one. I had the one that folded in half, that, like, folded over itself. The pixel book. I had the pixel book. No, yeah.

Chromebook pixel. O.G. Yep. The CR48? CER47? That was OG. One of them. Yeah.

I don't know. Oh, but he's talking with the first premium one. Yes. Okay. That was 98. It was Matt Black, unbranded with a light bar. It was six. Yeah, had a light bar?

Or maybe not a light bar. I think the primo one had the light bar. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Flip them and read. What do we got? We have a resolution.

All over the praise. All right. Who wants to go first? I wrote 12 inches. Okay. I said 14. Okay. I was thinking Chromebook size, so I said like 10.

All right. The winner. Wait, what about Ellis? No, Ellis is. What about Ellis? Oh, right, right. Survey Master. I was just thinking about you.

You know, as always. Because I love you. I love you too. Okay. I'm teaming you up with a pooh. I thought it was like 13. That can't happen when it's supposed to. It's funnier out of context.

I'm afraid that it's between 12 and 14. Wait, so what size is it? It is. Come on, baby. 14.2. 12.2. 12.85. No.

Oh, let's go. David gets the point. Let's go. Damn. I forgot laptops used to be smaller. Yeah, little babies. All right, Alice. I've been counted for inflation there.

Netbooks. That is this E, E, E, PC. I had one of those. I had one of those. Wow. It's so good. I can't believe, you know, I put that button in there. I was like, I don't think we're going to use that much.

It's so good. All right. Guys, what made the logo on the back of the old MacBook pros glow. Closest without going over. The CPU. The CPU. Technically it powered it.

Who's to say really what does anything in the computer? God. Andrew, come back. It's all a computer. Everything's computer. Everything's computer. Everything's computer. It's beautiful.

All right. I also don't know the answer to this. So I'm going to wait. Yeah, I'm going to wait on. This is one of those perfectly structured trivia questions where I don't know the answer, but because of the way it's formatted, I learned the answer and I'm pretty sure I'm right. Cool. All right. I thought this would be more of a layup.

I have a guess. I just don't know. Yeah, let's see it. David, you put? I wrote the LCD. Mark has you put? The LCD backlight. Right.

You put display, but I meant also LCD or God. I need a concept. Display or God. I think LCD. The way an LCD screen works for those who don't know is you have these, these, I believe they're. Lightly meeting diodes? No, LCD. So you have these liquid crystal.

I think they're based on like quartz, these structures. And they can twist, right? When you run current through them, they have the ability to twist. And when they twist certain ways, they can block light when they twist other ways. they don't block light. Liquid crystal. So what you do is you put a big light behind that called a back light. Yeah.

And then each crystal will twist and untwist, and that's what blocks the light and creates different pixel color, brightnesses, whatever. So the way that the glowing logo and those old metal MacBook pros, if you're ancient, and remember, what they do is they just cut out the aluminum so that the back light shown through.

So should we give everyone the point or just Marquette? because Marquez was the only one that put backlight, but I feel like I'm the only one. I mean, I meant in Jeopardy, they would have said, can you be more specific? And I would have said, the backlight. Well, if they asked me to be more specific, I would have said backlight. I hope you would have said backlight. I hope you would have said. Okay, well, next time I'm going to say, can you be more specific?

But I think we should award three points. So they all get the point? Thank you, God. Thank you. Good luck, Andrew. Good luck out there. I'm sorry, Marcos. I can't believe this.

I feel like I'm the only one who. should be getting a book. Normally I am that strict, but I don't know. I'm feeling kind of good today. Maybe I'm trying to put... But I said that was a good question because as you said, the logo is not its own component. I said, oh, I had no idea. And he said which part of the PC illuminated it. So I had to deduce that the only reasonable answer is they use the backside of the backlight. Exactly. It was one of those really clever Apple decisions where they discovered if we just cut the aluminum like this, it'll glow because of the backlight. I know. until you're using it outdoors in a really bright area.

And then there's a part of your screen of lower contrast in the shape of the Apple logo in the center. Cool. Sweet. Okay. All right. Well, comments section, let me know if you disagree with that ruling. And let me know if liquid crystals are not actually based on quartz.

Can somebody tell me what happens inside of a computer? And that's our next episode. Thanks for watching. Thank you for listening and for tuning in this week. And, of course, when all the news happens on Thursday, we'll be here next week to talk about it as well. Get you guys later. Peace.

Goodbye. Peace. Six and seven. Wayfirm produced by Adamalia and Alice Revin. And this week, Mariah Zeke. We are part of the box media podcast network. And our intro music is produced by Vane. Sill.

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