Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Apple's iPhone Launch Event: Full Coverage from Cupertino

Episode Date: September 12, 2019

This week Waveform is bringing you a special off-schedule episode recorded directly after Apple's 2019 Event! We talk about the new Apple Watch and iPad, before taking a deep-dive into their new iPhone lineup featuring the iPhone 11, iPhone 11 Pro, and iPhone 11 Pro Max.    Don't forget to follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wvfrm  Original Music by Kamren Barlow: https://bit.ly/2ZaLddo  Links discussed in the episode:  Steve Jobs Wifi:  https://bit.ly/2m7I0bD  iPhone 11:  https://bit.ly/2lIzGiD  iPhone 11 Pro:  https://bit.ly/2lIL2mI   Pixel 4 leaks:  https://bit.ly/2kdsBWK      Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Marques Brownlee. And I'm Andrew Manganielli. And so we're bringing you a bit of an unscheduled podcast in between your typical bi-weekly schedule. We're post-Apple event. And I figure what better way to sort of recap everything and give some deeper thoughts and really talk about this stuff, get in the weeds where we didn't in the videos, than a podcast episode. Yeah, I think it works perfect. So we're kind of, I mean, if you hear any audio differences, I mean, we've sort of been messing with it as we go, but we're also in a hotel room this time. It's like 24 hours removed from the actual Apple event. I was there. If you didn't see the videos that I published already, we have an iPhone 11 hands-on up and we have a separate iPhone 11 Pro and 11 Pro Max hands-on videos. Those are all

up. But this is just going to be our full look into that stuff. Yeah, yeah. So obviously Apple every year has a big fall event. We know it's coming early September, first two weeks. We always know we're going to get the iPhone and then some other stuff. And, you know, coming up to this, there's a bunch of rumors and some people saying there's going to be a one more thing and sort of, you know, a little bit of hype and questions going into it. But generally, at the end of the day, when the event ended, I don't think there were any surprises. Maybe some small stuff, but pretty predictable. I don't think there was. I think the most surprising thing was we all expected one more thing and there wasn't.

And there wasn't. Yeah. So I guess we know who not to listen to on Twitter anymore. But I just want to take a moment before we get into the hardware stuff about, I just want to talk about the event itself because I've gone to a couple of these now. This is at the Steve Jobs Theater, which is on Apple's campus in Cupertino. And it is wild actually being there because here's what I'll say. Tino. And it is wild actually being there because here's what I'll say. Apple events,

Apple presentations of their products are the gold standard for presentations. And this isn't even like a bias thing coming from me. I've been to a lot of presentations. I've watched a lot of onstage attempts to deliver a presentation of new tech, everything from smartphone companies to laptops from the biggest of Microsoft and Google all the way to the smallest. And everyone's just trying to do an Apple keynote in various ways. And you get your little quirks here and there and fun things and little jabs they take on stage.

But I'm curious what you think watching an Apple keynote versus some others we've seen. Yeah, so I watched it all on the stream because we only got one ticket to go in. So I was hanging out at the hotel room. But yeah, I think even if even if you're the one of the biggest Apple haters out there, you have to admit their presentations are just perfect. They run like clockwork. Everything just like it is. It's incredible. It's also underrated a technical masterpiece. So first off, it was streamed on YouTube this year for the first time. That's never happened before.

I remember the days where you had to have Safari specifically to be able to watch it on a browser or you'd watch it on Apple TV. So this is kind of going in the other direction. We kind of had a bet going how many people we thought would be watching live. Did you see a higher number than I did? I didn't see a higher number. I was watching it on the TV in here, so it didn't have the little like a view counter on it but i think what'd you say one i saw the highest number i got was 1.8 million live

concurrent viewers on the live stream that's not bad nutty it makes me wonder how many people were watching on apple.com in previous years because that was a pretty quiet event what about the crazy ones you know yeah I think what's, people hear numbers like 1.8 and they look at YouTube videos that have like four or five million. You have to understand that streaming is way different. That's 1.8 people watching live at that time,

not including the millions of people who are going to watch that after. Also, I realized when I was trying to download the keynote for the videos, you can get all the keynotes if you just search like apple keynote and they have a podcast folder with all 1080p videos of it I think it went back to like 2011 yeah I did not know this just a free archive to download old keynotes yeah so

if you're ever looking to make a video on apple stuff you can get download everything right off of itunes and if you want to just go watch how great apple's been doing keynotes like this you can go back like 10 years almost i think for real so yeah so you can watch those old keynotes i saw one and a half million by the way the record for most live concurrent streams on a youtube stream uh do you have a guess or have you have i told you this already i don't think so if i don't know what my guess would be i think the highest i've ever seen on like twitch was maybe a million and that was like that was unheard of the reason crazy yeah yeah i think the reason it got so high is because it hit like 500 000 then everyone's like i need to watch this yeah why is the stream going

so crazy yeah yeah i'd seen a spacex launch get up to when they literally landed those two rockets at once got up past two million okay yeah uh but the record is the red bull stratus jump oh had about eight million live wow just because it was this huge build-up and everyone was sharing it as it was happening and we all had to see the moment and that moment peaked pretty hard it's it's interesting is the moment at that point the jump or is the moment at that point i'm part of the record for watching the stream? I think it's the jump and then the sort of heart stopping moment of when will he like safely land. It was a whole thing, but that's the YouTube record right now. But I just wanted to mention the technical masterpiece that is an Apple presentation. A bunch of little things I

noticed. One, the Steve Jobs Theater is made, it's a building built specifically to execute this to perfection. And I don't just mean like it's a nice pretty building where you can take nice videos. No, the entire roof of it floats above the ground with entirely glass windows surrounding it. When you go downstairs into the hands-on area, the entire top of it is a softbox. The entire top of it. Okay, so you go down, you get into the hands-on area. The entire top of it is a softbox. The entire top of it. Okay, so you go down, you get into the theater part.

There are silently moving cameras in tracks above your head. So you'll see like a Samsung presentation at Barclays Center. That big sweeping camera over the audience, that's a jib that they've set up beforehand to make those angles look cool on stream. This is built for that. So they just lined it up and built it into the roof of this this presentation center at a certain point i noticed they were doing a demo on a new ipad with the game

and the dude walked off stage and the pedestal that he was holding the ipad on slowly silently actually kind of quickly disappeared into the stage and and he just he just kept presenting like he just walked over the top of where the pedestal used to be like nothing happened like there's just a bunch of pedestals underneath that stage waiting to come out whenever you need it for a presentation it was crazy that is pretty crazy i mean google has their like amphitheater outside which is it's cool being outside for a presentation is actually really refreshing yeah as like a tech thing but that theater i haven't been in the theater part i've been up top

it's beautiful that entire thing and i guess i never even thought that they built that for these presentations it's made just for this and it is so good there's outlets at every seat the wi-fi doesn't explode like there's all the baseline things are good but then like yeah the disappearing pedestal really blew my mind for a minute there do Do you think the Wi-Fi is perfect after that incident with Steve Jobs? Oh, no doubt. He was like, yeah, Wi-Fi must always be amazing after this. If no one's seen that video, you need to go look up Steve Jobs. What was it?

Like the original iPhone trying to show web browsing and telling everyone to get off the internet. Super early Safari demo. I'd like everyone in the audience to turn off your... Yeah, yeah. No, not happening, Steve. Anyway, so I really enjoyed the presentation, but let's just get right into what they announced. There was a couple of smaller things at the beginning. One was there is a new Apple Watch Series 5. I'm an Apple Watch user. Not a lot of people that I know personally are,

but I see them everywhere. The Apple Watch Series 5 will start at $399 for the gps version and $499 for the cellular and uh it hasn't always on display that's like the main new difference with it and i think a lot of people who are into traditional watches will appreciate that yeah i think it's not something i thought of i don't wear a smart watch i don't wear a regular watch um but i can't believe i never thought like you know how great an always on display would be. It's such a good idea. Well, it's not a good idea. I'm sure people have the idea before, but they obviously are doing it now, which makes total sense.

So yeah, this is one of those things. It's a new technology that they're talking about. It's a dynamic refresh rate, so it can go modulate from 60 hertz to one hertz, which is one refresh every second. So if you're just having like a static face and you just want to see a second hand without looking at it. Yeah, you just get to check the time and it's always there. And it apparently will not affect your battery life, at least not significantly enough for them to change their estimates.

So yeah, same battery life, which is for me like a day and a half. And you get always on display now. So that's pretty cool. That's awesome. And then the other thing was the new baseline iPad. Not a whole ton of crazy, fascinating stuff going on here. I was actually almost kind of surprised. If you watch, again, here's a video to check out.

Quinn, Snazzy Labs, he did a really just funny, like off-the-cuff video of just talking through all the stuff. And he said something that I really agree with, which is I didn't even really expect that to get any stage time, like that new baseline iPad. Yeah, like the cheaper iPad. Yeah, usually that's a quiet store refresh. The store goes down, it reappears.

Oh, new iPad baseline, $329, supports the old pencil with the stupid lightning connector. It's a thing. It's got the smart connector now for a keyboard, but generally just a great value tablet it seems like their main point behind all of that was this is competing against lower end laptops yeah and they kept saying over and over again like why it's faster and better than uh the world's top selling pc best selling pc laptops i took a little not offense to that but it's kind of like the best

selling laptop right now is probably some junk hp it's low-hanging fruit yeah if you go to amazon and search for the highest uh selling laptops they're not great no they're terrible because people want to spend no money and expect something great out of it so yeah tough thing to compare it to but you know gotta throw that jab out there when you can yeah i was kind of expecting more jabs actually up to that presentation your tweets were hilarious about that like oh still no jab. Nope. Oh, there it is.

Yeah. Usually within like the first hour of any Apple presentation, you can expect them to talk through all their previous updates about here's our customer satisfaction number. Here's our competitors. Here's our, you know, iOS 13 update numbers. Here's our competitors. Look how badly they're doing. But they kind of skipped that whole update thing.

So I was waiting for the jabs. And I guess, yeah, I tweeted maybe five minutes before the first jab. Like, why aren't there any jabs yet? I did also make a typo. I said jobs. But you know what? That's okay. Why not?

Wish I could just, you know, edit tweets or something like that. That'd be great. Yeah. And so then they made their first jab, which is just like our A12X Bionic was better than any two-year-old android phone something along those lines i think it said something like the i thought it was the a13 bionic will be better than android chips in two years oh yeah i think they said the a12 bionic oh the a12 will yeah so yeah big claims big jabs i get it but that's the new apple watch series 5 and the new baseline

ipad i think it's just called ipad there's no real name. Yeah, why make a new name when you can just use the old one? iPad, whatever. Just make it confusing. Don't worry, they have lots of great names coming up. Next up, they got to the phones. And this is what we were all waiting for. By the way, there's other little stuff.

There's Apple TV Plus subscription, which is five bucks a month. That's lower than I thought it would be. That's lower than I think everyone thought it would be. And then there's Apple Arcade, which is a game subscription. And there's 100 exclusive games, I believe, and that's five bucks a month as well. I'm not the biggest mobile gamer. The demos didn't exactly

sway me. It was some modified Frogger looking thing. Yeah, I remember playing Frogger when I was younger and loving it, but that looked, I was expecting to feel nostalgic and I just didn't really understand what was going on. The cartoon baby, i didn't really feel that so whatever but you know those two things happened but we really were just waiting for the phone stuff and we got it we got iphone 11 iphone 11 pro and iphone 11 pro max nice just rolls off it's just you know people will definitely say it the right way every time um why don't we start with iphone 11 so that uh replaces iphone 10r yeah can we talk about naming scheme first okay yeah sure i think that's a i think it's a great idea i just think they should have done it last year right so iphone 11 is just sort of the standard now you don't have

to name it the 11r so that's it's not missing anything or it's not the 11 light or e or you know exactly the lightweight phone it's the iPhone 11. And the majority of people who are going into a store are just saying, I want a new iPhone. And that's what they're actually looking. They were looking for the XR. Yeah. Except they didn't want the Lite version. See how you said XR? Yeah. When it's XR. Yeah. No one's going to say that Roman numeral right. I'm also glad they dropped that. Yeah. But yeah, people going to the store, they just want the cheap, good, better iPhone than last year. And that's what they got. Exactly. And it makes total sense.

And then the pro version is that if you're spending $1,000 on a phone, you're expecting to have something that's kind of extraordinary. Right. So the iPhone 11 is $699 to start. And I'm going to blank on the storage ratios again. I think they did the whole like 64 256 thing they skip 128 okay um I'll have to double check that but $699 is $50 cheaper than the iPhone XR started out last year which was $750 so pretty impressive there and I mentioned that in my video they actually lowered the starting price of a new iPhone um but a lot of what you're going to see in this phone is very similar. A13 Bionic,

as far as I know, very similar RAM, same size LCD screen. They're calling it the liquid crystal display. Longer battery life by the XR by one hour, which that was the best battery life I've ever seen in an iPhone. So that's pretty impressive. An hour longer. I don't know what scientifically that means. If it's one hour of your day being longer and one hour of screen on time. Whatever. That's just the way Apple likes to say it. Did you have a favorite color? Because there's six new colors.

In that, I didn't. Not really, honestly. I think I would probably just go black. Yeah. So there's black. There's a product red, which I guess is like a little bit of a lighter red than before. And I showed in my video. Green, yellow, white, purple.

Purple. They're kind of pastel-y in a way. The green and the purple and the yellow are pastel-y. But yeah, same 6.1-inch LCD display, same resolution. It's not bumped up. It's not 1080 or anything crazy like that. It's not brighter. Wait, speaking of bumps.

Yeah. I didn't get to play with the phone, but I believe you mentioned that there is a camera bump and there is a camera bump on the camera bump. Yeah, yeah. Nice. There's a camera bump and then there's like a camera... Lip, I guess.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a better way of putting it. So the entire back of the phone, it's actually kind of impressive. The 10, or sorry, the 11, it's a glossy phone. And then the camera square is what I'll call the first bump is actually matte. So that's sort of frosted. Okay. But it's part of the same sheet of glass. So it's just milled out and it sort of crests up into this hump where it's actually frosted.

And then protruding through that frosted square is your circles, your stovetop burners. I love that. That photo on Twitter was hilarious. It's great. And that protrudes a tiny, tiny bit over the top of that, and that goes back to glossy. Okay.

It's an interesting look. I'm not the biggest fan, actually, of switching it up on the device. Um, but you know, it does look a little different from the renders. A lot of renders had it all glossy or all matte. So yeah, it's a look. I don't know. Get groceries delivered across the GTA from real Canadian superstore with PC express shop online for super prices and super savings. Try it today and get up to $75 in PC Optimum Points. Visit Superstore.ca

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See Uber app for details. I'm not the biggest, most excited person about iPhone 11 at the moment. There's a couple other little things like faster face ID, 30% faster. And also they mentioned possibly slightly more angles to unlock the phone. And this I really want to test because some of the promo video showed the phone like flat on a table being unlocked and that's the type of thing they show in a promo video but doesn't necessarily work in real life because they showed almost the same thing this lady coming out of a pool with the phone flat on the side of the pool and she unlocks it and that's just not working that way currently on iPhones yeah so face ID improvements

generally should be good I mean mean, if it all works, it should be great because that's the main complaint. If it's laying on your desk and you're at your computer, you don't want to lean over your desk. I do it a lot and it's really annoying. Like I lean way over my desk to unlock the phone and it's just like, I wish I didn't have to do that. On a standing desk, that's just even tougher than you're like up on your tiptoes. The ergonomics are not ideal. But the main upgrade to iPhone 11 is the camera. You get a second camera now. It's a 12 megapixel ultra wide and 12 megapixel primary camera. I really like this. I'm, you know, shout out to LG for way back in the day, being one of the first

ones to do ultra wide. And now everybody's on that boat and I'm all for it. There's ultra wide cameras everywhere. Now we get to see what an iPhone's ultra wide camera looks like. And I suspect that the best part about it will be its consistency with the main camera. Yes, exactly. I think that's a big problem we've seen with other multiple cameras is one is just completely different than the other one. It's almost like discourages me from using it.

Like it's cool that it's ultra wide, but like I'm using the ROG phone too right now and it has an ultra wide and then I shoot with it and it's just very different looking, much softer, a little more chromatic aberration, colors are different. It just doesn't match the main camera, which happens to be kind of decent, spoiler alert. So, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm hoping the consistency is great there. Um, but it is, you know, a little bit of a different aperture. I'm not sure exactly the numbers off the top of my head, but this all remains to be seen. We're going to test this out for the full review. But I'm crossing my fingers for that.

Yeah, I think it's interesting. You said on your way home from the event, you're talking with an Uber driver who is asking about the phone and you mentioned an ultrawide and he's like, oh, they just keep changing the cameras every year, but I never noticed a difference. Yeah. So people don't seem to understand what that means and i'm excited to see what the the average person's like when they tap that 0.5 button and we're like oh yeah i can get a lot in this picture that was a funny conversation i was yeah i was in the uber and the guy was like

oh have you seen the new iphone so i'm like yeah i saw him uh he was like well what's new and i tried to say the cameras were new and he was like look every year i hit the camera button i take a picture and it looks the same i'm like well okay so you're probably like you know zooming in and out and the the telephoto camera on the iphone's never been amazing so it's not really convincing anyone it's worth having a second camera yeah but when the second camera is an ultra wide and completely different totally different field of view you can go way up closer objects you can get all these crazy you know perspectives but i guess i didn't do a good job of explaining it because he just kind of was like yeah well whatever i'd take a camera i'd take a picture again it looks the same

whatever so uh yeah we'll see how regular people respond to it but there's some cool cues in the camera app at least yeah definitely um i thought it was interesting the camera app currently on the iphone is like all the rest of the UI is blacked out and there's just your image of the viewfinder. And so this new camera app will show like a grayed out, slightly grayed out version of what the ultrawide would look like, but it's not in your shot until you hit the ultrawide button and then it compresses it all into the viewfinder. So to me, maybe I'm doing a bad job of explaining it

but i feel like that might confuse people into thinking that they are capturing an ultra wide before they actually are uh i gotta talk to more people about this because it's a weird time picturing what you're saying yeah like you have you have what's actually in your photo where it normally is and then wider than that you have you can see what the ultra wide photo kind of like on the outsides of like the like guides yeah outside of the guides but it's not in your photo when you snap the photo it won't be there okay so yeah i don't know how people react to that it's supposed to encourage you to go oh look how much more i could capture and then you switch to it but we'll see how that goes is there a uh i forget if they mentioned this in there but a way to if you take the photo it snaps it with both cameras yeah so there is some small software stuff going on where

when you snap a photo it will keep some information from the wider camera and you can turn this on or off in settings because it does take more storage to do this but yeah you can like if you take a photo and you realize some of it is chopped off from the corner you can sort of reframe it and drag things that weren't in the frame back in that's awesome that's pretty cool yeah i wish actually a bunch more cameras were doing that so yeah that's a good use of the ultra wide the other thing i liked is the the like quick video uh shooting where if you're in photo mode and you see something you want to take a video of instead of having to swap to video mode you can just hold down the shutter button and take a quick video kind of like snapchat exactly like snapchat yeah yeah i think that's that's a perfect

ui tweak to make because people are just so used to that doing that in that app now um my question was that's where burst mode used to be you hold the shutter button down where did burst mode go the answer is you hold the shutter button down and then drag it over to the left where the image preview is and then you're doing burst mode um i think a lot of people just won't do that anymore probably i don't think many people are using burst mode right camera anyways but yeah and then uh if you also hold the shutter button down and drag to the right it will lock it in video recording mode so you don't have to hold your finger on the screen yeah oh so yeah good job i like good ui Yeah, good gestures. Cool. So that's iPhone 11. The other thing is both cameras get 4K 60, right?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can do 4K 60 ultra-wide, which, I don't know, a couple other phones that have come out haven't used that ultra-wide to its full ability. You couldn't do video with it or you couldn't do full 4K 60. Actually, OnePlus with the Android 10 update, they said they weren't going to, but you can actually now do a video on the ultra wide. But yeah, full 4K60 from each camera,

which is sweet. Yeah. On an IP68 phone. I just keep going back to that GoPro thing. I really hope some snowboarding kid tapes his iPhone to his helmet and runs down the slope with it. I can't wait to see it. It's going to be a great video too, stabilizing everything. Okay. So that's iPhone 11 and that brought us to your iPhone 11 pro and iPhone 11 pro max. Great names, Apple.

Uh, and that's, uh, that's where we get to your, your thousand dollar and $1,100 starting prices. So these phones are, I mean, there's only,

again, I did a video. There's a couple main things that are different but it really comes down to the camera again as the main difference can we talk about color quick you asked me what my favorite color of the last one was okay yeah this is where i saw a color and i was like oh okay i'm gonna i'm kind of like torn on this so there is i'll say the four new color names okay they are silver which kind of looks like white i've always called silver white since they've gone from glass back this one looks even more bright white than any previous one i've seen there is a gold yeah you know typical gold but it's obviously a different finish and then gray and green so space gray and green and they call it midnight green it's like olive i like it are you really a green person i really like it um you know

it's didn't i think i remember i think it was more of like an emerald but do you remember essential came out with those three extra colors and essential had like a like an emerald green with a gold had a little bit of aqua to it i I think. Yeah, it was nice. This is much different than that, but this like matte green color is something that, I don't know, I think is really cool. I've always imagined having like a really sick off-road car wrapped in like a matte green color, just like super, super badass.

And like this kind of, not that the iPhone's like your rugged off-road phone, but like for some reason, that color is just so different to me. And I think that green and matte works really well together so I think it's cool I would probably put a case on it anyways because I'd be terrified of dropping it but but it looks really nice huh from what I've seen I bet it actually looks better in person yeah I mean everyone I talked to loved the green and it blew my mind because I've never had anyone like really want a green phone before.

I think that also has to do with just like here's a new color. Everyone's pumped about a new color. Yeah. I mean, if it was blue, I think people would have gone crazy the same way. I think any new color people would go crazy. I'm sure there are some people who actually like that color, but I think it's cool. We haven't seen a phone really pull that off. We're going way more like I feel like all the new phones now are here's dark with this hint of super bright color like the mclaren edition one

plus or yeah you see all these like vivo phones that have these like bright blue corners and everything so toning it back going like drab is i think really cool okay yeah i mean we'll check it out for sure i my personal favorite is the space gray still and i mean i guess it makes sense because i really wanted a matte black iphone and this is close to that. But like I said, it is now a matte finish for the iPhone Pros. And I'm a fan. I'm a fan of the matte finish. Now, here's the thing. The Apple logo, which is in the middle of the phone now, is still glossy. And you can feel it when you run your finger over it. And the camera square is also glossy. So now it's the opposite of the iPhone 11 where the camera square is glossy

instead of the rest of the phone. And it kind of, when you look at it, looks indented, even though it still is a protrusion. It's a weird like eye trick. It plays on me sometimes when I look at it, but it's the same thing. It's like a little bump on top

and then a little stovetop burners on top of the bump and then that's your iPhone camera. And yeah, the Apple logo being in the center, that was one thing I found hilarious when there were the first rumors about it. Like only Apple could move a logo on the back of the phone and see that much backlash. Like imagine Google moving their logo,

imagine LG moving their logo, lg moving their logo samsung moving their logo was it really nobody would care there was a lot i think talos of tech did an entire video about about how bad that is not about how bad about reactions to it and i didn't watch it so i don't want to say what his thoughts were on it um but like only apple because they just make everything they do like iconic like every every product they make, you could make a simple outline of it and people would know exactly what it is. And that's what they've built their brand on. So moving a logo, what, like half an inch down?

Yeah, man. It's just everyone has an opinion on it. And it's crazy to me that a company can design so well that small little changes like that freak people out. Honestly, I'm going to be totally honest. I didn't even notice. Really? I held the phone.

I looked at it, and I had some time to play with it, and someone said, like, oh, it doesn't say iPhone on it anymore. It's just the Apple logo, and it's in the middle now. I was like, oh. Cool. Neat. Okay, cool. I'm a little distracted by the giant stovetop burner on the top left corner.

I wasn't really looking at the logo anymore. I was just kind of focused on the matte finish. But anyway, yeah, so there are some other new features for the iPhone 11 Pros. So the main one being the triple cameras. You have the ultra wide, you have the standard, and you have a 2x telephoto. So now you can go from 0.5x to 2x. Some say that's a 4x optical zoom whatever you want to call it triple cameras a couple interesting things about it you can shoot portrait mode with

the 2x telephoto or the regular camera okay that's pretty cool so actually yeah on previous iphones where you switch to portrait mode you would immediately zoom in to the telephoto and that's the worst camera and it would always look worse than a normal phone but on the XR I really like that you could take wide portrait mode photos so yeah you can take either one whichever one you prefer which is cool and then of course your A13 Bionic much much better efficiency is going to give you and this is again a thing Apple just says on stage but four hours more battery life than the iPhone XS that's a big claim and the big one five hours more battery life than the iPhone XS. That's a big claim. And the big one, five hours more battery life than the XS Max on the 11 Pro Max. That's a big claim.

I'm interested to see how that translates into like if I notice it being a really much better battery. Yeah, I feel like if you take the conversion rate of all day battery life to having like five hours of screen on time, that probably means you've got like an extra 20 minutes. Right, yeah. I'm sure it'll work out to be less dramatic of all day battery life to having like five hours of screen on time, that probably means you've got like an extra 20 minutes. Right. Yeah.

I'm sure it'll, it'll work out to be less dramatic than, you know, five more hours. Like I really, I'm only halfway dead when I thought I'd be dead. Yeah. It's not going to be that insane,

but I'm still happy that it's doing better. It's not like they made the phone thinner and sacrifice battery life, you know, like they might've done in the past. So I'm happy about that. 18 watt fast charger in the box. Small gripe is that the word small gripe with that it's still lightning but it's a lightning it's a lightning to usb type c cable and then it's a usb type c charger what are you doing so close what are you doing you put your foot on the bridge and you were like i'll

cross it and then you turn around you're like never mind i'll i'll keep lightning for another year this all has me more hyped for um for the 2020 iphone when i think we'll get a lot of the features that i've been thinking about but yeah at least it's in the box it's not in the box on the cheaper uh iphone 11 but in the in the pros you will get that 18 watt it's not even that fast like I wish it was like a 30 watt 40 watt charger like Samsung got like we're all getting super pumped that Apple put something in the box that most companies have had in the box for years at this point but hey at least they're finally taking that baby step forward yeah and putting it in the box is cool it would be cool if you like supported 45 watt fast charging or something wild but

is cool. It would be cool if you like supported 45 watt fast charging or something wild. But anyway, it still can wirelessly charge at 7.5 watts. There is no reverse wireless charging like we kind of thought we would get. Yeah, I think this goes into kind of like, we saw these rumors coming into it. And we didn't see one more thing. In fact, we saw a lot less things that we were pretty sure about rumor wise, or at least the overall public was pretty sure, because they weren't big jumps. Like we were seeing sure about rumor-wise, or at least the overall public was pretty sure, because they weren't big jumps. We were seeing these rumors of small things that seemed totally plausible and actually not that exciting, and then the things that we didn't think were exciting,

we didn't even get. Yeah, it seemed like kind of a, I made a joke about how they should call it air power, but then it also disappeared like air power, so maybe they really should call it air power. That reverse wireless charging just straight up didn't happen. yeah that's that's one thing that i was looking to again face id improvements again here with the the faster chip same size notch um hopefully more angles the whole deal um but there's a couple other weird little things that they decided to

name one is the screen it's a slightly better screen. So same resolution, same 5.8 and 6.5 inch sizes, I believe, but it's a bit brighter, a better 2 million to one contrast ratio. And they're naming this OLED the Super Retina Display XDR. I can confirm that Marques didn't read that off a piece of paper. And I've no, I was trying to think of it in my head and all I was like, they threw XDR at the end of there but I yeah I spent so long trying to remember that I didn't remember anything. I mean they started with like a pretty nice branding which is just retina display. I like that name you you know retina display means you can't see pixels when you're looking at it cool keep that. Then they moved on to the iPhone and

they said super retina display. Okay now you're getting a little. Like you don't have to say super anytime you name something super, you're going a little off the deep end, just reel it back in. Super retina display is already not a great name. And then they sort of made parallels to the Pro Display XDR that's launching later this year with much better dynamic range and HDR certification. And they felt the need to take that XDR acronym of extreme dynamic range and attach it to the end of the super retina display. So now if you really want to read it all out, it's the super retina display with extreme dynamic range. Nice. Wow.

I can't wait for next year's bigly super retina display XDR XR Pro Max. I'm actually low-key kind of worried about the next iPhone's names. Is that going to be 11S Max 5G Pro? I have a feeling they just go I think by changing XR to 11 and then going 11 Pro we'll just see 12 Pro next

year. Oh, no more S. That's smart. I think we're ditching S. I think they never should have done S. I think they should have went 11, 11 Pro and done that naming scheme last year. Yeah, that's probably true. They got people really into the TikTok thing. But that still means it's going to be iPhone 12 Pro Max 5G.

I don't think... Jeez. I just hope they don't say 5G at the end of it. We'll see how it goes. Yeah, I think putting 5G in the name this year makes sense because it's so new. Yeah. I'm hoping by the time Apple's throwing 5G in, it's not going to be that big of a deal anymore. It's kind of the same way a lot of Android phones, when they were the first generation of phones to have 4G,

had to put 4G or LTE or something like that in the name of it, like the Thunderbolt 4G LTE. Yeah, that doesn't have to happen. It kind of feels like, do you know when you're browsing for something on Amazon and you see the title of the product is like four sentences long because it shows every like feature in the title? Yeah, that's how I usually know it's coming from China and it's crap.

They just got to get your eyes on it. Exactly. Yeah. One more crazy name. I don't even want to say it out loud. Okay, so you can do... Oh, let's go. I know what's coming.

You can take front-facing slow-motion videos in 4K, I guess 4K60, or you can do, I think it's 120 or 240. So you can do slow-motion selfie videos now. And as you can imagine, Apple felt the need to name that, so they named it Slowfies. Let's go.

I actually have this piece of paper with my notes. You can see I took the time to draw a face palming. Oh, my God. Because I just couldn't. I almost just turned it off. I couldn't handle it. That's the second time I ever said that word out loud. Man.

Let's go. I hate it. It's really bad. And you can tell when you get to that hands-on area, all the people have a little script where they go through certain things they're supposed to say to you. Every one of them said that word and kind of smirked while they were saying it like they were really proud of it.

Every time I heard it, I just looked at them like, really? Everyone woke up this morning and had to say 10 times without smiling in the mirror before they came to work. Oh, man. What can you do with it like the the thing they showed was like a girl taking a video and her brother was blowing like a hair dryer and her hair is moving this is and like cool that that kind of has like a model like blue steel feel to it but like what else there's a couple so this is the thing about apple is they've usually

been really really good but every time there's a new feature, they always launch it with also an amazing way to sell it, whether it's a great ad or a great explanation or just some great use cases. And I was like waiting for it. I was like, oh, great, okay. So what's going to be the use case for front-facing slow-motion videos? And it was that ad with the hairdryer and the corny, I guess, an Instagram post. And then there was a girl standing with a waterfall behind her. So the water behind her

slowed down. And then from that point on, it was just people like moving their hair around. Yeah. I feel like you have to have hair to experience. And that's where they lost me. My hair doesn't make any crazy, you know? Yeah, that's all right. Marques and I are not getting our haircut till we can experience slow fees. You won't see the iPhone review until our hair is down to our shoulders and then i can do a slow fee demo there it is i said it third time yeah i don't know that's uh they didn't really sell me on that feature in the moment but i'm sure some people come up with some interesting things they'll probably it'll blow up on tiktok oh yeah for sure we'll get that

that coming in either way that's basically it. I mean, if you're thinking about buying either of these phones, 11, 11 Pro, 11 Pro Max, camera is the number one thing you have to think about. And I actually think that puts Apple in kind of a precarious place because they're not clear-cut the best camera at the moment. No. And it depends on what sort of world you live in.

If you're a video person, I still would say the iPhone is the best camera, and their improvements to the iPhone cameras are legitimately really impressive, and I think it will still be the hands-down best video camera in a smartphone. Oh, yeah. I actually think, real quick, they showed that demo of the Filmic Pro app where you could take video through all three lenses at the same time. Wild. That was really cool.

I've never seen anything like that. Yeah, that's kind of incredible. You pick one that's your perfect framing, and then you get two spare frames in case you mess that up. I don't know. I thought that was neat. I don't know how often you would use it, but it's really neat. Still, the fact that that demo works at all is really cool. So, yeah, I think in that world, maybe they're safe.

But in the photo world, if you're just like a normal person, I take pictures of my cat and my pets and my kids and my friends. I just want the best camera. Like right now, the hands down choice isn't necessarily just iPhone. Like you have Pixel, which takes Pixel 4 is about to come out and will probably make all I bet Google right now is just writing down all their jabs they want to make at Apple during their presentation. Cause they're going to have a very similar pitch for the pixel four.

This camera's amazing. Um, so there's that we're about to get a new Huawei flagship. Their night mode is always incredible. And their daytime stuff. We didn't even talk about night mode. Yeah. In this podcast.

You know what? That's the thing. It has night mode, but, and I could just rant on the lack of customization in iPhones for a while, but let me just say you can't enable it by default. Even on the pro phone, where as a pro feature, you might want to just be able to turn on certain modes. You can't turn on night mode anytime you want.

It has to detect that it's below a certain luminance. Then it will enable night mode and show a little toggle on the top where you can customize it. You can turn it off if you don't want it, but can't toggle it on we'll have to test that i mean the results they showed on stage looked pretty impressive versus not having it they had that and they had that like we were taking photos and stitching it together for extreme detail kind of stuff yeah and that's called deep fusion they really name everything don't they deep fusion mode and that's going to be coming later to i guess i, iOS and these new phones. But didn't get to test that either.

So, yeah, I mean, if you're all set on an iPhone, the camera is going to be your big upgrade. The A13 Bionic is going to be great, but, like, so was the A12 Bionic. I don't know if your phone's slowing down already. So, yeah, that's kind of where Apple's living right now is just trust us. Our camera's good. Yeah, it's going to where Apple's living right now is just trust us. Our camera's good. Yeah. It's going to make a really fun camera bracket challenge. I can't wait for that video.

And this is going to make, I think we, this year we're going to have to do some, some side brackets of like night mode and ultra wide or something or portraits or something like that. Like we'll have our main one, but yeah, I really think we need to test some of the more obscure things with maybe a smaller bracket. But I have a feeling this year we're going to spend a lot of time on that damn bracket. Yeah. I mean, that was really fun last year.

If you haven't already watched it, we did a super fun blind smartphone camera test where we put together, how many was it? 32? 16 phones. 16, I think, yeah. 16 phones ranging from like the highest end, the Pixels and the Huawei's and the Apple's all the way down to, uh,

I think we had the palm phone in there. So we really ran the gamut and there was some crazy upsets and some fun stuff. But Huawei did eventually pull out the blind smartphone camera test win by just having what seemed like the brightest, sharpest photo. And that was good enough for people to just vote for it over what it's up against.

Um, but yeah, this year I think, yeah, you're right. We might have to have some like subcategories of like who thinks they have the best portrait mode, who thinks they have the best night mode, you know, things like that might be fun to try.

Yeah, I think we should try that. Cool. I can't wait. That was probably my favorite video last year. It was a lot of fun to make. All right. Well, that's essentially what happened as far as new hardware on stage. We're going to take a quick break and we'll come back and do some Q&A from the Waveform Twitter.

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All right, welcome back. So we asked you guys on Twitter from waveforms, WVFRM, Twitter, what you guys wanted to know about you know the apple event just the general week the first really big week of tech timber is i guess what i'm calling it yeah and we got some good ones and i guess we'll just jump right into it this is becoming a pretty fun like regular part of the podcast having a lot of fun it kind of opens it up to more to more about each of us and our thoughts and how much everyone thinks i work for the channel and probably have the exact same thoughts as marquez but it's the best when we have different answers. Yeah, exactly. So one of the top ones here, will Apple TV Plus only increase the wall of Apple's ecosystem? Depends on how into

TV you are. I read an interesting post about how they're trying to be kind of more like Hulu than Netflix, which I'm not super into this world. I've just recently started using Netflix again. But yeah, it's a wall. It's kind of a small wall in my world. I've just recently started using Netflix again. But yeah, it's a wall. It's kind of a small wall in my world. I don't really care much about it, but it's a little wall. I guess the question is, is are you using your regular password for it? Are you giving your Apple password out to friends? Because we all know that.

So let's see. My Netflix login account is my sister's. My Hulu login account is my fiance's sister's boyfriend's. And our HBO subscription is our friend's parents so so uh there is family sharing so if you want to like get your own and then share it it'll work natively netflix does something like that similar yeah but uh yeah i don't know i'm not super into it so i guess it's small wall for me yeah small wall someone says austin evans made a great video about the iphone 11 versus iphone 11 pro and said the base model is a better deal than the Pro counterpart. Would you agree?

Yeah, I would agree. Yeah, as a deal, it makes total sense because diminishing returns when you start paying $400 more, $300 more for something, you're not getting that that much more, but it's an enthusiast phone for sure honestly as far as i can tell you know if you really want like better cameras the 11 and the 11 pro have the same standard camera and the same ultra wide camera how much do you care about that 2x telephoto not much right like if you're if you're looking at the difference between the 11 and 11 pro aside from the matte finish which is really pretty cool to me 400 is cool yeah i don't know about all that but it's you know then you're just looking at um you're looking at the battery life you're looking at oled and high resolution versus lcd and low resolution that's

basically it and then you have 2x versus not 2x yeah i'm actually surprised i i kind of thought the 2x would be on the the regular and the ultra wide would be the extra thing you're getting but having the ultra wide on the cheaper extra thing you're getting but having the ultra wide on the cheaper one i'm glad they didn't do that yeah i would have been kind of mad if they didn't have the ultra wide on the cheaper one so yeah i'd agree that the uh the 11 is a better deal than the 11 pro for sure yeah now that huawei apple oneplus and samsung all have prone in the name do you feel google and others will follow and does this make the title pro meaningless yeah then the the pro name deep sigh the pro name is already kind of becoming a little bit overused and borderline meaningless

um and apple kind of i was thinking about this as they were on stage and they made this statement at the beginning about what they think the word pro means. And then they said, yes, we have this pro display and we have these, this pro battery. But when it comes to smartphones, like there isn't really a pro smartphone user. So when you have like a laptop, for example, you have Mac book and you have Mac book pro. Well, the pro is going to be used for people who are going to be doing professional things like editing or graphics design or coding and things like that. And they need certain things, extra processing power, better display. iPad Pro, you could even make that argument. iPad versus iPad Pro. You have iPad, which is just, you know, for leisure. Maybe you want a high refresh rate display. Maybe there's certain things about having USB type C

that make, you know, importing media easier for whatever you do professionally. So you can make that argument. Yeah, I mean, we've seen like tld show us that you can do some pretty crazy things on the ipad pro so people might not like to admit it but there are some pro things you can do on yeah and then you get to the smartphone world and you have you have one plus seven pro you have the real me note eight pro you have the galaxy uh what's the other uh obviously iphone pro i can't think of what the samsung one is um i don't there's like one or two other big pro phones where i was just like i don't know what makes these phones pro and yeah i can't it seems like it's just pro means the expensive version here's what it is the enthusiast exactly pro is the new max is the new plus is the new max, is the new plus, is the new turbo, is the new whatever it used to be before that. It's the new, like, it's the better one.

And so, yeah, if you sort of dilute the actual meaning of the word pro in other, you know, industries and other electronics, it just comes down to this is the better one. It's got the better specs. It's faster. It's better. Just, yeah. It's got the better specs. It's faster. It's better. Just, yeah. Do you know what's funny? There's probably only one use case I could see somebody using a phone in a pro scenario.

And that's kind of how I remember when ROG Phone 1 came out, they were kind of explaining to us how mobile gaming's kind of exploded overseas, mostly in like China. Yep. So I could see somebody playing professional mobile games and actually buying something like that, except what are two phones that don't have pro on it razor phone and an rg phone they don't have pro in the name maybe they should maybe just think about joining that train yeah so i'm gonna say uh the word pro just in general has sort of lost its meaning in the smartphone world but it just means the better one yeah pretty much oh someone said are all the the colors from the iPhone Pro the matte color and will it be a fingerprint magnet? Okay, here's the thing. I have a small worry about the matte finishes. I love them, obviously. I think they're going to look awesome.

But two things. One, frosted glass is actually a little bit slipperier than glossy glass because your finger and your fingerprint and the oil on your finger, you know, when you hold a glossy phone, you kind of feel that like tiny little bit of grip uh you don't really have that as much and then it didn't really seem like much of a fingerprint magnet i held the phone for a little while i handled it for a bit didn't have much of that as a problem but scratches i don't know how that's going to work out we had that frosted back of the pixel yeah uh and that had some weird scratch issues and occasionally you'd be able to like like wipe it off yeah that was the definition of weird scratch issues because it was such a bad it was like oh my god this scratch is like crazy

oh wait you can wipe it off oh wait no you can't really wipe it off or you can kind of wipe some of them off yeah so that's i i'm really really curious to see like obviously we're gonna see zach's video and he's gonna scratch the back of it obviously we're gonna see Zach's video and he's gonna scratch the back of it and we're gonna see how it recovers but uh in like real life when people like start scraping their phones like is that gonna be like an ugly gash or is it just gonna be like the same as a glossy one yeah also we see so many more clear cases now what is Matt gonna look like in a clear case that kind of makes it look it's stupid if you if you buy a matte iphone and put a clear glossy case on it come see me come find me in the streets i have

some words for you so when uh stefan asked do you think we have hope that we finally get a usb type c iphone next year let me just put it on the record now the 2020 iphone is going to be the most hyped iphone in a long time because we've had, you know, the same sort of shape and the same general iPhone for probably three years now. I'm looking for new design. I'm looking for new battery. I'm looking for a new high refresh rate display. Maybe I'm looking for a new speaker system. I'm looking for a USB type C. I'm looking for maybe pencil support. I'm looking for maybe USB type C. I'm looking for maybe pencil support. I'm looking for maybe reverse wireless charging. I'm looking for a lot of things in this new iPhone

in 2020 already that we obviously don't have this year. So yeah, hopefully USB type C is one of those things. Do you know my favorite thing that you just said there was? It's going to be the most hyped iPhone in a long time long time something something three years ago that's the tech world three years ago is a long time but i mean like even before that when we had iphone 10 that was obviously the big hyped iphone because we were going to the edge yeah design change but also like now there's a notch like that's the first big phone with a notch and then we have all this like edge to edge stuff and look how close apple got to the edge of the screen are they going bezel-less soon that whole thing that was like a pretty pretty big moment for the iphone form factor and then before that again it goes a couple years

back before we really see anything too drastic so yeah i don't know this seems like a big moment i guess i could see this being a bigger hype moment because the 10 when it came out as much as people were hyped about it it also had the, which at that time was very like, I hate this. It's pretty bad. So now we're going to get a phone that's going to have a notch, but we're used to the notch by now. So now we can just appreciate all the changes in it. Whereas before we had to appreciate changes while just dreading the notch. Yeah, that's it's wild.

while just dreading the notch. Yeah, it's wild. I mean, honestly, if you think about it, like in a vacuum, Apple just released a $1,000 phone in 2019 that has a gigantic notch with no fingerprint reader and Face ID that's one of the biggest complaints. Like that by itself is kind of disappointing.

So yeah, I'm really looking forward to the 2020 iPhone, but I guess it's too far to look ahead. We're going to see a bunch of stuff between now and then. Yeah, but do you think I should wait? I think you should wait a year and a month for the next iPhone. Who just did a video on that? It was like, yes, you don't buy this year's iPhone. There will be a better one next year.

Trust me, there's a new iPhone coming out. Yeah, so everyone who still has their iPhone 4 waiting for the next iPhone, maybe one of these days. Just stick it out, stay patient. I'm sure the headphone jack will come back eventually. Jacob asks, was 3D Touch killed silently? Yes, 3D Touch is dead in all of Apple products now. It was only really on the iPhone 10S and 10S Max, I guess.

We had long touch on the XR and the iPads and other things. But it's, yeah, it's just moved to haptic touch now. And they've expanded the peak and pop thing that you can do with a long press still. So it's like the only thing you're really missing is the actual pressure sensitivity and the modularity of like moving your finger down in the screen and seeing the animation move. That was kind of cool. But I was one of those people who didn't use it all that much.

So yeah, I don't I don't use an iPhone, so I have no idea what it's like. I've heard a lot of people say how you don't mention it that much, but even some of the hardest Apple users have admitted that Apple doesn't do a good job at marketing it. So a lot of people just don't even know it's a thing, so I'm sure most people won't even know that it's gone. Yeah, it was up to app developers to build in really cool features for it. When that didn't really happen much, then it didn't become a huge deal to kill it was there anything you feel like apple should have announced or anything you feel like was missing from the event hmm um well i'm expecting we're gonna have another event in october i think we're gonna have another fall event so uh the only

thing i really felt was missing was little things like you know the reverse wireless charging not being in the iPhone maybe like a new airpods update but like I'm not really shocked at most of the things that we didn't see um like I said again a pretty tame event this one I think they they showed exactly what most normal people would expect the problem is is we live on twitter where leaks get posted all over the place and then people run with the smallest little rumor make entire videos about it and then everyone gets hyped about everything have you seen the pixel 4 rumor from today not rumor leak the last one i saw was the like pink or orange colors

and that was like a four second video oh yeah. There is a six minute full hands on video like produced like by a host who's like talking about it and holding it up to the camera like he's reviewing it. It's not English, so I can't tell what he's saying. But the fact that this is all like very close to the Apple event is really funny. Yeah. You can basically just see everything you want about the Pixel 4 now. Except the price. Except the the price and the sample photos someone said any thoughts about the lack of 5g in the new iphone i think we touched on that a little bit before like we're seeing all these companies they wanted to be the first to 5g like actually early on this year the amount of

rumored like 5g phones was out of this world i think every android phone company was thinking about doing it and we're like okay cool like everyone wants to race to 5g and then i think we're later in the year and it really feels no closer to 5g being like a real thing like yeah we went to rhode island and saw it but that was obviously just testing it doesn't feel like a giant missing feature yet. Um, kind of the same way when 4g first rolled out, it was kind of like an extra little bonus. Uh, I think it's a possibility in next year's iPhone, maybe in, I think in the next two years we'll have a 5g like, you know, common thing in new phones, but at the moment I'm not shocked. There's no 5g in the new

iPhone. Yeah. I think even if it comes into the 2020 iPhone, it's barely going to be used. I can't see 5G rolling out that well. I mean, maybe some company will surprise me or maybe more companies will take the AT&T route and just throw an E at the end of 5G and then people are going to be spending $300 more so they can use the exact same service. Did you get the iPhone 12 Pro Max 5G E XDR? Oh, someone someone said can you explain the u1 chip a little more uh have you seen any of this this is like the this they didn't talk about this I guess at all on stage it was one of those like background things where they had a bunch of extra new features okay so there's a new dedicated chip in the iPhone called the U1 chip. So they had the W1, which does a lot of Bluetooth stuff with headphones. They have the Bionic.

The U1 chip is for spatial recognition and direction relativity between other U1 enabled devices, which means basically if you have an iPhone 11 over there and I have an iPhone 11 over here and I want to airdrop you something and there's 50 other people in this hotel with airdrop on and I just point my phone at you, it shows up first in my share want to airdrop you something, and there's 50 other people in this hotel with airdrop on, and I just point my phone at you. It shows up first in my share sheet to share it with you. So I can beam files at you by pointing my phone at you, which had all sorts of other funny meme acquisition. I was just thinking of being on a plane and just beaming things at people.

At that one point where you're sitting on the plane, the 4G sucks, so you can't like pull up reddit or anything so you're just trying to find something to do while you're sitting at the tarmac like why not just send a bunch of random memes to start beaming people you look like you'd enjoy this certain type of meme beaming at you yeah that's uh the u1 chip i don't i don't think there's any other crazy use cases i've really thought about maybe the one thing people were talking about was that like tile type subscription thing that yeah was rumored i didn't i haven't looked that much into it i've heard a bunch about it possibly also i it might be applied to bluetooth so i could think of i could imagine a world where you have like apple chips with u1 or sorry apple headphones with u1 chip in them

so if there's 70 other headphones on the plane and you just like point them at your headphones, you're, I mean, it's like NFC, same exact thing. But trying to pair with Bluetooth faster. Yeah, no, I just thought that was interesting. You can beam files at people like a wizard. That's fun. Anyway, that's pretty much it.

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