Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Apple's New Airpods Pro, #TeamTrees, & the Twitch vs Mixer Streaming Platform Battle

Episode Date: November 1, 2019

Today we discuss the design, features, and efficacy of Apple's brand-new noise-canceling Airpods Pro. Second, we talk about the #TeamTrees initiative we've been seeing all over the internet, including who started it, who's donated, and how much it has raised. Then, Andrew schools Marques about the video game streaming platform battle between Twitch and Mixer after the news broke of popular streamer Shroud moving to Mixer. Finally, we close it all up with another regularly scheduled Q & A session. Links: Twitter: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Top Gear Taycan vs Model S: https://bit.ly/3251JIe Shroud: https://twitter.com/shroud Music by Kamren Barlow: https://bit.ly/2JSbKTd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And I'm Andrew Manganielli. And in this episode, we've got a lot of things to talk about. Well, we have to. We have to talk about the red hydrogen dying. We have to talk about Tesla. That's just the way this podcast goes. And we've got to talk about Team Trees and Elon's donation. But, of course, I also want to try to understand the streaming wars battle between Twitch and

Mixer and Surprise Player YouTube. It's all in this episode. Buckle up. All right, let's start it off with a recap. We've got the last two weeks of videos on the channel. First up would be OnePlus 7T Pro. So this phone came out. It's maybe the smallest update between phones of the year.

The OnePlus 7 Pro came out earlier this year. Then we got OnePlus 7T a little before that. Then OnePlus 7T Pro. Names are getting kind of tough. That's kind of a theme of phones this year. Yeah, the whole T thing always makes it sound like 70, like the number, like divisible of 10. Yeah, so it's the 7T, not the number, like divisible of 10. Yeah.

So it's the 7T, not the 70. And that's so hard also because when I try to explain what phone I'm using to friends, I'm like, yeah, this is the OnePlus 7 Pro. And that's fine. And then they're like, this is the OnePlus 7T Pro. And they're like, the what? The OnePlus? And they're like, yeah, but OnePlus 70.

So 71. Anyway, the phone came out. It's got a couple of small tweaks. There's also a McLaren edition, which is, you know, it's a Snapdragon 855 plus in both phones. It's eight gigs of RAM in the 7T Pro, 12 gigs of RAM in the 7T Pro McLaren edition. Just rolls off the tongue. I feel like we make that joke way too much. Maybe the real joke is naming schemes from all the smartphone companies. It's tough. This is, it's gotten kind of bad i mean 11 pro max from the iphone i'm getting off topic but like there's a lot of bad names of phones uh anyway the only version of these that are coming

to the u.s is and this is the whole entire name of the phone the one plus 7t pro mclaren edition 5g that one that one's coming to the US recently. It was in the news. That's the only small update we have, but to T-Mobile. So I've used a Verizon 5G phone. I think AT&T is going to have 5G phones, but this is going to be the first. Real 5G?

I think so. Okay. We'll have to test it. I mean, that would be kind of nice to actually see if it's different from what we've already tested, but this will be the first T-Mobile 5g phone okay and the second ever one plus 5g phone they had the one plus 7 pro 5g earlier there was a 5g i can't even keep i feel like 5g is so unimportant right now that i don't even really yeah you don't have to pay much attention to it's just a small update from the one plus 7t pro from

the video since we didn't have that in there but all right then then. Next up, we took a quick look at the AirPods Pro. This was my first impression, but I did a first impressions video. I'm going to hand you the AirPods Pro case right now. You've seen them briefly, but AirPods, number one headphones in the world. Yeah. I mean, easily they went straight from number one wireless headphones to number one earbuds to number one headphones in the world. So new AirPods is kind of a big deal for a lot of people.

How are you feeling about this new design? The case was interesting. When I first saw it online, I was like, oh no, it's huge. It looked a lot like the Sony WF-1000XM3. Names. Yeah, names, man. And it looked big. That's a bulky case and not something I would really want to put in my pocket.

And then I realized it's small. It it's shorter than the airpods case but wider so when you flip it on its side it's right around the same size i think same thickness we looked at yeah so still fits in your pocket really well i've never used airpods i'm on android airpods never fit in my ear i have i tried them i still recommend them to almost everyone. Everyone with an iPhone, I say get AirPods. They're stupidly convenient. They just work. They work like perfectly. So I was with you.

I first looked at the case and I was a little concerned by the size, but I think just the way they flip open and snap close really conveniently, they're nice. Yeah, regular AirPods don't fit in my ears. So this is the number one thing I'm concerned about. But the main new feature of these is the active noise cancellation and the rubber silicon tips. So these are going to exist alongside.

A lot of people are sort of talking about these as if these are the new AirPods. These are going to be sold right next to the current AirPods. These are AirPods Pro. They're $250. They cost a lot more. They're competing in this premium space, but they have noise cancellation and ideally much better sound. So I saw a lot of people upset about the price. I don't think it's terrible. And coming from Apple, I think

it's less terrible because of the fact that we expect Apple to be way more expensive. But if you look at other truly wireless earbuds like the Sonys, they're 250 dollars already right 240 250 plenty so the wireless charging case airpods 2 are what 170 i think i just checked so if you get the new airpods 2 with the wireless charging case 199 already 199 yeah so it's 50 bucks for noise cancellation yeah Yeah. For me, ones that would fit in my ear. Yeah. So ones I could use. So I think $50 is worth being able to use them. A lot of, just spoiler alert,

I'm only a day and a half, two days into testing these, but a lot of people are going to buy these just because, number one, AirPods are popular. I just saw a tweet on my timeline of a photo of people waiting in line at Grand Central Station to pick these up on day one while wearing airpods already so people who already have airpods whether the first or second gen they love them so much they're willing to go take it to the next level hopefully get better

quality hopefully stay in their ears better and get noise cancellation yeah that i haven't even listened to music but just putting them in my ears and listening to the noise cancellation or the like what do they call that it's not canceling noise but it's canceling all the like humming and buzzing around it yeah it felt like if you listen to waveform episode one put them in and then you were listening to waveform episode two uh if you guys remember first episode audio is a bit rough that's exactly i honestly thought when i put them in someone turned the h back off in the office wow i mean they're good so it's cool so this yeah the video we put up that was my first impressions with it spent 24 hours with it the full review is coming but my my thoughts so far are it's it's

impressive the noise cancellation is pretty good and they sound pretty good um and they only sound pretty good because of that noise cancellation. Okay. Because if you leave transparency mode on or if you keep noise cancellation off, they kind of sound just like AirPods did before, a little tinny, a little lightweight. So yeah, the technology is good. Full review of those coming soon, but I have a feeling these are going to be very popular. I'm sure they will. Okay. So then next up was, of course, the long-awaited Pixel 4 review.

So a lot has happened since the Pixel 4 review, both good and bad, but mostly just a smattering of updates and complaints. First off, my personal favorite thing to notice, and the world sort of all noticed at once, but I mentioned in my review, my Pixel 4 went back to 60 hertz. It's a 90 hertz display, fully capable. Went back to 60 hertz it's a 90 hertz display fully capable went back to 60

hertz what felt like constantly and i mentioned this in the video i went to the developer settings and forced 90 hertz because i just i couldn't figure out why it kept going to 60 so often uh the world found out it's because there's a setting specifically in the OS where, not even a setting, it's just in the code, but it will go to 60 hertz anytime there's low ambient light. So anytime basically you don't have a lot of light around you, screen brightness is going down, it will lower to 60 hertz. And that's pretty often. Spoiler. I think they say somewhere around under 75% screen brightness, right? Yeah, I think that was the original way that people found it is when your screen brightness was down.

But then also if you just turn your screen brightness down while it's bright around you, it'll still stay at 90. It's mainly, I think, it may be multiple factors, but it was when ambient light is low. I guess they're assuming you're not looking at the screen super hard so you don't notice and that's a way to save battery. That's a big assumption. I guess what it comes down to is they were being aggressive

about going back down to 60 hertz often because they had small batteries and they had to. But this is one of several ways, one of several reasons that I've ended up going back to the OnePlus 7 Pro as my daily phone. That's fast for you. From the Pixel, which that's not something I thought I would be saying. When I heard Pixel had 90 hertz display, I was like, okay, good.

I'm not going to think it's slow and annoying and laggy like the last one turned out to be. But yeah, this is one of those weird updates. I mean, the thing is, is 90 hertz was the thing that was like okay this is the hype thing that we got yeah this is what's probably going to make people actually pick it and now you get it at such a low amount of time like you didn't buy your p100d to do 0 to 60 or whatever that kind of torque only in the daytime right like if you bought that car for those specs and then at night could only drive it 50 miles an hour you probably wouldn't be that hyped about it i guess you know here's an here's an analogy i'll make because this is also kind of partly true since we're on tesla analogies i love

those um my car only does 0 to 60 in 2.2 seconds when the battery is full okay it's capable of doing 0 to 60 just as fast with a lower battery state but it doesn't it's a little slower it's capable of doing zero to 60 just as fast with a lower battery state but it doesn't it's a little slower it's 2.5 2.7 seconds uh and it's kind of i mean i notice but i think a normal person would still think this is fine this is pretty fast yeah it's fast and so the analogy i draw is like if you're trying to come up with some ideas of all right when do we when do we throttle down to 60 hertz for saving battery on this phone? Well, I guess all the times that you don't really need 90, like I'm watching a YouTube video. Yeah.

That doesn't have to be 90 hertz. Okay, perfect. Do 60 there. What else? If I'm just reading text, maybe if I'm just in the Kindle app or any sort of reading app, I don't need 90 hertz. Okay, maybe. I would still like to swap pages in 90 hertz like this just scrolling in general i feel like i would still like it but and maybe i don't know

one of other there's a couple other things where you're just like static on the screen and it's been still for a while and you know they're not moving it and i think they also use literally uh when you're looking away from the screen it goes goes back down to 60 hertz. So it's using literally the front-facing camera to decide if it should be throttled up or down. And that makes sense because if you're not looking at it, who cares what a refresh rate it is? Yeah. This brightness one was, I think, just one more step

where there were just so many times where it was at 60 hertz that I noticed. I was like, this does not feel like a 90 hertz phone. Well, yeah. Other than sometimes when I'm scrolling in the app drawer i mean you said in the review before we all knew what that specific reason for it was that so and other people were noticing it also so the fact that we have this specific reason this quickly already is yeah it's not great yeah so if you found yourself like me wanting more 90 hertz, you can go into the developer settings, enable them, find the force 90 hertz option.

Warning, because I did this, it will destroy your battery life. And I guess I was okay with it because I have a wireless charger at my desk and I have a charger in my car and I can get around crappy battery life even though I don't want to. But yeah, that's your warning. It will not do great so far cry from two or three episodes ago when we were talking about the rog phone 2 going a whole weekend without even the other side of the spectrum man that's pretty crazy that phone didn't even have fast charging but if you have a 6 000 milliamp hour battery you don't need it you're just not gonna have to charge very often so yeah that's that's i guess your pixel 4 update

there's a couple other little things about it like um you know the cameras we have basically the camera comparison to do now now that we have deep fusion on the iphone we can really go back and go head to head with the iphone 11 pro um i did a video with super staff where we compared directly iphone 11 Pro camera versus Pixel 4 camera. And you might be surprised at the amount of times that it's sort of a coin flip. There's often situations where Pixel 4 looks a little bit better.

I personally think, here's what I'll say. Yeah. Comparing the two cameras. I like Pixel 4 photos more often than I like iPhone photos. But if I could only pick one, I would pick the iPhone. Okay. Does that make any sense? I mean, I feel like it kind of makes sense because I work with you

and I probably know why, but explain it for everybody else. So here's why. So there's a bunch of different reasons why a camera can be good. A lot of different things you might take photos or videos of. Most of the things people take photos of, especially that I take photos or videos of um most of the things people take photos of especially that i take photos of are objects and people yeah uh and for those situations in normal lighting objects and people pixel 4 photos a little contrast here a little better colors it's a little bit cool sometimes i can warm it up and better detail and they just look

incredible hdr i just like the look of a punchy pixel 4 photo over the iphone eight nine times out of ten yep but in you know other situations let's say i'm taking a landscape yeah it has an ultra wide let's say i'm taking a video with excellent stabilization excellent microphone for iphone 4k 60 the the video and the iPhone is drastically better than the pixel yeah there the other day I was just I was in a like visiting a house and I wanted to take an in indoor video in this house and it didn't have an ultra wide-angle video and I wished I had brought my iPhone because I couldn't go wide enough to get the whole room in the photo and the

video so there's gonna be a bunch of scenarios like that where the iPhone camera is clearly better than the Pixel's camera. And they're not normal shooting scenarios. I think this is worth a video. I think this whole concept of I like one more, but I would recommend or pick the other more is kind of interesting. Tweet at me. Let me know.

What do you think? Should this be an entire video of just Pixel 4 versus iphone 11 camera i think it could be pretty fun but yeah i feel like we're i just realized this today i think there's one more phone that might come out this year so we're getting into that point where we have all this new stuff and we get to make all our really fun videos and i'm i'm so excited november is is such a fun month uh i can't spoil. You can spoil it. I mean, we're really excited. We started brainstorming the camera bracket,

the blind camera bracket challenge, which has been my favorite video I've made since we started here, maybe besides Elon Musk or something like that. But we're really pumped about it. We have some fun new stuff this year. I think they're going to be long videos, but they're going to be super fun. So everyone get ready.

We're getting there. I think maybe one more phone. Got to get that Mate 30 Pro in here, and I think then we'll have our 16 phone bracket, and we'll start to put that together. There's some really fun ones on the bracket right now. I can't wait. Okay, we made a mock bracket.

I'm just going to tell you right now. We made a 16 phone mock bracket, and if I can't wait. We made a mock bracket. I'm just going to tell you right now. We made a 16 phone mock bracket. And if you can imagine from last year, we had all these high end phones. We had a couple of interesting crazy ones that did these weird upsets that you would never expect. We put the Pocophone in the

last year's smartphone camera bracket, fully expecting it to get knocked out in the first round. And then we saw the damage it did. It beat iPhone 10. It beat an iPhone in the first round yep and then we saw the damage it did so it beat iphone 10 it beat an iphone in the first round so yeah this year let's just say we have all kinds of fun matchups again and it should this should be a good one so anyway that's your that's your pixel update i guess we should go on to uh if you have any content recommendations i do have one that i actually recently just watched so porsche taycan turbo Taycan. Here we go again. Porsche Taycan Turbo S versus Tesla Model S Performance.

Top Gear did a video. It's just straight up comparing the two. They had them both on a track. That's awesome. And a lot of people know and respect Top Gear and their opinions. And I figure this is an ideal place to figure, you know, if they're going to do a well-done comparison, this would be it. And I think it was. It's on their YouTube channel.

I think the conclusion that you come to while watching it and that they sort of wrapped it up perfectly is people are going to compare these cars to each other nonstop. Why? Because they're both four-door electric sports cars. But they are for completely different people. Yeah. And they, aside from both being fast in a straight line,

pretty much every other decision that these companies make regarding their car is in, like, diverting directions. One for, you know, the driving enthusiasts, the other for the driver. You know, there's tons of different reasons why these cars are different. Yeah, for sure. So if you want to appreciate both of these cars

more than you already did, you can watch that video uh made me appreciate the porsche a little more actually cool yeah yeah uh i've i've not like youtube content or anything but i just have to say that silicon valley's back out arguably one of my favorite shows on tv at least currently one of my favorite shows i've watched season new season i believe it's the last season first episode pretty good first episodes always have to kind of like set up the plot for the season so it's a little slower than normal but uh first of all main gear made it in the first episode our friends down the road uh one of the main characters dinesh was sitting in one of their chairs and using one of their computers so that was pretty cool to see someone that we know is that like a you made it moment

where if your tech company appears in Silicon Valley in some way, you made it? You know what's even cooler about that is Wallace, the CEO of Main Gear, got a tweet from Thomas Middleditch, the main character, saying he's a gamer. He's been using Main Gear since before he was on the show. Nice.

That's crazy. Maybe he brought that to the show himself and he was like, instead of this set prop, let's use this other tech company chair. There you go. Yeah. Sick.

It's pretty awesome. But yeah, mostly putting it up there. I'm sure almost all of our fans watch it. If you don't, you should. And partially just because I like to tell Marquez to watch it. Literally every chance I get.

Silicon Valley. You know what? I don't watch that many TV shows. Like, I mean, I don't watch any. That's not much. You're right. Zero is a small number. But the gist I get is, especially from the clips I've seen,

if I were to enjoy any season of a TV show based on my likes, it would probably be Silicon Valley. So I might go out to check out that new season. I'll get you there somewhere. Or at least a couple. Is that a bunch of, how many episodes is it? They be Silicon Valley. Yeah. So I might go off to check out that new season. I'll get you there somewhere. Or at least a couple. Is that a bunch of, how many episodes is it? They're not long, eight to 10 maybe a season. Okay.

I think four or five seasons. Fifth season. Yeah, this is the fifth season. I'll tell you what, I'll watch an episode this weekend and maybe see where it goes. We did it. The podcast is over. This is the long con.

It only took eight episodes, but this is all we needed. First episode of the new season this weekend. Sounds good. A couple of small quick updates. One, rest in peace, Red Hydrogen. You had a good life. No, you didn't. Not really. No, you didn't.

The story is the Red Hydrogen project is canceled. Jim, whose project it was at Red, abruptly basically left red retired um due to a number of things and i guess issues but uh the project dies with him there will be no hydrogen 2 there will be no modules there will be no other attachments no other updates to hydrogen if you have one don't expect it to get the newest version of Android. Yeah, Hydrogen is over. I wrote down that this is good and bad.

Okay, explain. It's good because it was a bad phone, and I don't want to see this whole project just have a horrible name for themselves. Yeah, you don't want Red to drag their name through the mud. Not even that like i don't even care if red drags their name through the mud like they make some good products and then make some bad products like that's just the way companies are but like the whole like smartphones are different getting different and interesting thing was kind of like well i guess i guess it just comes down to i had a lot of hope for that

phone and it turned out poorly and i'm not mad that it's dead but it is a bad thing i think because competition is good and in theory a version two of that phone or the modules that they make could have been great maybe probably not but if they were that would have been a whole nother segment or a thing to think about like oh maybe a giant tank of a phone with a 3d display and a huge battery and that's made of metal and doesn't care about thin bezels maybe that's a direction some consumers want to buy yeah um so it's a good and a bad thing but i can't say i'm shocked that i'm not that shocked i mean when the only quote unquote mod like accessory you release in a year of a phone that's literally made for accessories was a 50 clear case clear case for a phone that's literally made for accessories was a $50 clear case for a

phone that is already gigantic and barely fits in your pocket. It's just not, it's not pointing in the right direction. Yeah. You could say, yeah, there were a lot of promises made. None of them really happened. So RIP red hydrogen one. Uh, and also I have a Tesla update. Surprise. I have a Tesla update guys. Um, it's nothing to do with mine. I have a Tesla update, guys. It's nothing to do with mine. It's actually, so Franz von Hohlhausen, who's the lead designer at Tesla, has been for a couple years since Model S. He went on the Ride the Lightning podcast where he talked for, I think, a good 40 minutes on all of their cars. Great podcast.

Shout out to that already. If you've listened to other episodes, you know he does a great job. He's interviewed Elon before. And he spoke with Franz and he talked about all of their cars. And for the brief couple minutes that he talked about the Roadster, the new 2020 Roadster, he said it will be, quote, even better than what we've unveiled in every way. Okay. He said that.

Every way. Literally every way. Yeah. This could be a whole video which things haven't changed yeah well as a spec person i'm like okay every way means like the specs will all be better the specs they announced if you just want to take it back for a second um were that it would be 0 to 60 in 1.9 seconds which i think was later updated to 2.1 but like that would be the base model

i'll just buy a prius if we're not even breaking two seconds anymore that was going to be like a pretty big deal to break the two second barrier but if that's in theory better that would be insane a 250 plus mile an hour top speed i don't know how you make it better i mean if it's over 250 it's over 250 a 620 mile which over 1,000 kilometers for an electric car is already incredible. If that's something that they say will be better in every way, that sounds great. Yeah, for sure. And a 200-kilowatt-hour battery with the triple motors. I don't know if they're going to stick to the 200 number, but it'll be a bigger battery.

But what I think of when they say better in every way, I think they're just talking about, I mean, he also said they need more time. It's officially delayed. But I think they're talking about interior stuff, that steering wheel, the autopilot system, what they're doing with the hardware there, the computers inside,

all of these things will be better than the original. They might have another screen. They might have a hood, whatever. They're working on updating the prototype. It won't look exactly the same as the one we've seen i think that's really what he means it's a way hyper way of saying yeah it needs some updating well he's he's a good talker he's a good talker yeah he spoke very eloquently about those cars and that was one of the statements i found fantastic okay that, that was a long recap. We're going to go back. Let's take a quick break.

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See Uber app for details. All right, we're back. So you may have seen over the past few days or weeks, hashtag Team Trees trending somewhere on the internet. YouTube, Facebook, Twitter. Is it Facebook trending? Maybe. I don't know. hashtag team trees trending somewhere on the internet youtube facebook twitter is it facebook trending maybe i don't know team trees team trees is a thing that you've seen across the internet i feel like we should break it down and explain what it is because i actually love it it's incredible and it's it's a pretty sweet thing to talk about so i think it starts with mr beast for sure mr

beast uh if you don't know jimmy don, YouTuber from, ooh, what state is he from? North Carolina. North Carolina, okay. He's done some incredible videos in the past. I'm a fan of his stuff. I met him at the Creator Summit, but YouTuber who's, I guess I would describe his videos as just extreme, taking things to the extreme. Yeah, very extravagant.

Can I go look at some of his video titles? I think that's the best way to describe it. Yeah, I think titles are. The first one I ever remember, I'm pretty sure he spun a fidget spinner for 10 hours live. Things that you wouldn't expect a person to do or to have any reason to do. That's the big thing.

Things that there's no reason to do this, but you will watch somebody do it. Maybe kind of like along the Vsauce line where you might wonder what would happen if someone did this or asked this. But let's see if I go back a little bit. Last one to take your hand off the boat keeps it. Yeah, so I think the big thing is he got popular

and then took the money he was making from that and immediately invested it into new videos, which is awesome you see too many people get big and just buy everything he's just dumping money back into videos which makes them you know what insane is a very clickbaity like word for a title mr beast deserves to use insane in basically every single one of his videos it actually is i'll back that yeah here's a couple other titles surviving 24 hours straight in a rainforest i gave my brother 24 hours to spend a hundred thousand dollars last one to leave the pool of twenty thousand dollars

keeps it surviving 24 hours on a deserted island so you get the theme here um his viewers his subscribers he recently passed 20 million subscribers basically challenged him along the way that once he reaches 20 million he should try to plant 20 million trees just another crazy thing who could possibly do it other than mr beast yeah um and they sort of got started with this the idea and realized 20 million that's a big number that's a huge number i mean you see you don't see 20 million of anything very often uh so the idea for team trees is to make it a site-wide collaboration and i say site-wide because it's kind of a youtube thing but it's really the whole internet so he's partnered up with the arbor day foundation and they've created this website the teamtrees.org website they'll be

collecting donations where one dollar donated equals one tree planted yep and so that's the concept right everyone can commit everyone can donate everyone can promo it and it's sort of a feel good like bring the entire internet together around a good cause thing almost no problem could possibly be seen with team trees let's just let's just plant a bunch of trees right Right. Um, and it's kind of gone that way. They've, I think past 7 million, over, over 8 million trees. And it's been less than a week, um, planted or committed to be planted. And these don't get, all get planted at once. This is going to be, you know, going through the end of 2020. And then once,

hopefully we reach 20 million trees over the next couple of years, they'll be planting trees in various rainforests and national parks and places where they need to plant trees. And they'll be planting specifically native trees to those environments and places in need. I think Arbor Day Foundation works with, at least in the US, national forests and national park members to make sure not only are you planting the right trees in the right places places but not over planting and destroying ecosystems and stuff like that i mean there is some some people want to make sure it's it's a legitimate foundation and from everything we've seen i mean we're not total experts at this but it seems completely legit it's a great cause we love forests obviously it's supposed to to help climate change which he's gotten a little

backlash on and he had a response to it that i thought i think it's the dumbest backlash it's it's a very dumb backlash it's but he just said something along the lines of you know what 20 million trees isn't going to completely solve climate change but shocker it's better than doing nothing and doing nothing's how we got here. And it's united a good amount of people. I'm just going to go over to the top most trees donated list. So you could obviously go donate yourself right now. Five bucks, a dollar, 20 bucks. All of it counts and I encourage you to go check it out and donate if you're interested.

Some of the top donations are someone just called ukraine who downloaded or who donated 50 000 trees a bunch of youtubers on this list beyond the original 600 that were partnered so jeffree star chris ramsey ninja lachlan jack septiceye uh mark rober mr beast has donated himself jack dorseysey, CEO of Twitter, and then you might notice something up at the top of the list who donated a million trees yesterday. MrElonMusk himself has made the decision to support Team Trees. Now officially known as TreelonMusk, I believe.

He does what he does best and just turned it into a meme. His username is Treeline. How long till the avatar is a tree? It already is. It is already? It is already. Is it smoking pot like in the Joe Rogan podcast? No, it's not.

It's just a tree. Please, please somebody make that. I just want a tree with Elon's face smoking pot. It's probably already a thing. Yeah. It needs to be. I want to take a little bit of credit for convincing him because he was sort of on the fence and he asked on Twitter about Team Trees. It needs to be. I want to take a little bit of credit for convincing him because he was sort of on the fence

and he asked on Twitter about Team Trees and I sort of replied about the Arbor Day Foundation. And I mean, you can look this stuff up on the teamtrees.org website, but eventually with some other behind the scenes coaxing, we convinced him to donate a million trees. That's a great start. So if you aren't already on board,

hashtag Team Trees, check it out. Yeah, it's almost halfway there if you think about already on board hashtag team trees uh check it out yeah it's almost halfway there if you think about it like that that's incredible yeah 20 it's been like four or five days it's pretty pretty nuts it's on a great a great trajectory uh so yeah team trees.org check it out all right i have another topic i want to talk about just because i'm i'm curious about it and this is more in your world okay um and i'm just wondering what's going on so i saw the headline shroud the streamer from twitch going to mixer this week so i only know so many things about mixer which is that let's see it's a microsoft made competitor to twitch yep exactly live streaming platform that paid ninja a bunch of money to go there

and live stream there instead of twitch that's all i know now mixer has gotten shroud can you explain what's happening because i have no idea what's going on anymore the fact that you heard the the name shroud is i have it's kind of just proof of how big he is because ninja everyone's heard of ninja ninja got big and ninja got big in the most popular game out there he became mainstream would that be fortnight yeah yeah it would be ninja's mainstream so pulling ninja over is obviously incredible he was the biggest streamer on twitch right yeah he was i mean he streams like drake and like professional athletes like right on the regular maybe not on the regular, but pretty often.

It was nuts. He was so massively popular that he would bring people to Twitch. He was important for business at Twitch. For sure. I mean, he was at the New Year's Eve ball drop in New York City attempting to get people to floss, but that's a whole other story. That didn't go great. He's mainstream.

Shroud is more of the, if you want to call him like the gamers gamer like he's been a force to be reckoned with in the first person shooter community for a long time he played counter-strike competitively uh for a team called c9 is at least when i remember i'm sure he played for other places but he's just when you hear people say is like a god at gaming that's shroud is the god of fps gaming you could i'm sure you could argue it but he sounds like a more respected character in this community of streaming games yes yeah yeah um he he played counter-strike for a long time and then you remember when pub g got really big yep he started playing that and he was insane he was so good at it.

People watched it all the time. He blew up. He quit playing Counter-Strike, quit his professional team. And that's when he went to full-time streaming. And he's just been on this insane upward trajectory since. With all these Battle Royale games coming out, he's been incredible at them.

And he's so good at games. I almost can't watch him because the way he moves is so fast it's semi-nauseating it's it's almost unfortunate but i mean i love i love him he's i think he's super entertaining to watch he does some crazy things he's gotten to the point where he's gotten so big he started a gamer house and a bunch of other streamers live in the house with him but whatever whatever this last week we saw him switch to Mixer, which is big news. So he switched to Mixer, I'm guessing,

because he also orchestrated some sort of deal where he would get paid and he would bring his audience over to Mixer from Twitch. So now that's two. When I was looking into Ninja moving to Mixer, all of the criticism and politics of it were like, okay, you got Ninja, but that's not bringing enough people

to keep your site alive. You still have to get people to go to Mixer for other good reasons. And now that they've brought, at least convinced Shroud that it was a good idea, who's had a much longer career, it has me wondering, what is it about Mixer

or what is it about twitch that makes it enticing is it a is it something great mixer is doing are they that different i think there's a twitch messing out i think there's a few things i think twitch clearly has the audience right now yeah it's been it's been around forever it's grown its audience um it's pretty much brought streaming to the mainstream thing it is today um mixer is much newer it's owned by microsoft so it's got its backing it can stay afloat but it needs it needs to have a reason to stay afloat so bringing ninja was a great first step the thing is his numbers dropped quite a bit because the audience just isn't there people people go on twitch because maybe they're watching Ninja, but on the side, they have all the other people they're following,

so they can switch over to someone else, where if you go to Mixer, you just have Ninja. Right. So anytime you try to transfer an audience across mediums, you're going to have some sort of percent drop off. For sure. So if Ninja had, I'm just making up numbers, if Ninja had 10,000 people watching him him on twitch when he moves over to mixer you you can expect some portion of that maybe half of them to follow him over there yeah um how did that go with shroud so i mean or is that still really new his first couple he was hitting like 80 000 concurrent viewers which is there are great numbers on twitch and mixer um it was big news. It's weird.

I think the Shroud move, I'm assuming based on Twitch contracts, Shroud couldn't move till now. I'm sure there's no way you just get Ninja and then be like, oh, this is good. And then not think of Shroud till two months later. Okay. So I have a feeling they wanted him sooner. They couldn't get him.

They were working on it. The two month gap I think is kind of tough. They could have really bought into that ninja hype and brought shroud over sooner i think the thing is is twitch is big it's almost too big there are there's a lot of controversy with the way they moderate it's very very uh what's the word i should i don't know about inconsistent inconsistent is the nicest way of putting it oh twitch moderation twitch moderation Very, very, what's the word I should, I don't know about, inconsistent. Inconsistent's the nicest way of putting it. Oh, Twitch moderation. Twitch moderation.

I hear a lot of stories about who got banned from Twitch or who got suspended from Twitch or whatever. Yep. That's what you're talking about? It's extremely, extremely inconsistent. Double standards. Yeah. Okay.

You said it, not me, but I wanted to. But the problem with that is, is think about it like on you like these are this is how people make money you can't have it sucks to be on a platform and not knowing that one day you might do something it's live too you can't edit you know if you do something accidentally one person might not get banned but then the next person gets banned and when you get banned you're losing money yeah so this is uh this is i guess similar to what you might find i mean there's other live streaming platforms that have come before twitch and even youtube has a live streaming platform it's not as common it's nowhere near as it's not as popular obviously but you have

uh you know the the you nows and the periscopes and and the instagram lives and even other you streams that came before i used to just cv was before used i used to do you streams just for fun that would like you just talk to the audience and go back to youtube um so i guess the question here is is mixer offering like a better version of Twitch? Like, is there, because here's the thing, YouTube has tons of problems, but they are the biggest video platform. So if you want video on demand, you put it on YouTube, you get the numbers in the eyes on YouTube. And if YouTube screws up, where do you go? There's not too many options. Is this a sort of a situation where Twitch is the live streaming platform, but if Twitch starts messing up or has some moderation problems

or content problems or whatever it is, Mixer's trying to be the place to go or are they not there yet? As of right now, Twitch is just better. It's gonna be better. But if we're comparing this to something like, what was that VidNow or something that tried to compete against YouTube?

A couple. What was the VidMe? It was Vid was vid me right that's one of them okay let's if i were to compare people leaving youtube to vid me to people leaving twitch to mixer mixer stands way more of a chance of actually competing with twitch than vid me yeah ever stood trying to get it get anything from you the fact that two of the biggest creators imagine right now if vidme pulled pewdiepie and well that's the thing i was thinking of i was thinking of that exact situation two of the biggest or even the two biggest creators from twitch seems like to me a bigger deal than the two biggest creators leaving youtube. Yeah. And I know that doesn't sound like, like, think about it, like PewDiePie, 100 million subscribers, billions and billions of views every year, take him off YouTube, right? And then take, I don't know, the next biggest, I don't, I don't want to say Ryan's tour reviews, but like take the next biggest, take five minute crafts, take a, take another 500

million or sorry, take another 50 million subscribers off the platform that go to whatever so now you have a competitor with 150 million people on it and you have youtube that still has billions and billions and billions more and creators that will rise up to fill in the wake they left and youtube would still kind of be okay. That's the too big to fail type of thing. So how many more, here's a question. How many more streamers would Mixer poaching from Twitch need to, how many more would they have to poach to actually scare Twitch a little bit? I mean, they had to have scared Twitch a little bit.

Twitch has to be kind of scared already first of all just losing ninja has like the face their faces is bad that's just it's not good it sucks for them they they can't be happy about that shroud even is an extremely extremely popular streamer with basically zero controversies behind him he is the family-friendly streamer nothing's wrong with what he could do like he doesn't do anything bad he just plays games and he's incredible at them and he's a he's the he was probably the face of twitch maybe a little before ninja and then after ninja as well yeah i mean dr disrespect will argue that he's been the face of twitch since 10 years before he started classic um back in 93 94 uh i forget when he was the back-to-back champion but uh mixer mixer has a while to go i think they need a few more big names i think once if they can get five big names that a lot of people where their viewers view all of those five yeah then

what they those viewers can do is they'll be on mixer one of their favorite streamers isn't playing a game they like or ends their stream they can stay on mixer and switch to the other streamer that's currently streaming that's what it's all about that's a big thing a huge huge part of why twitch and youtube are successful is because they can keep people on the site for a long time yeah and so streamers like ninja or shroud or people generally they're streaming really often right yeah so when you don't have that favorite streamer that you just gravitate towards the site to watch you leave the site yep so the more of those streamers that they have that people just gravitate to watch and they'll bounce around between them

the longer you're on their site the more money they make the more successful they are that's why twitch is killing that's why youtube is killing because everyone's on youtube if mixer i'm with you if they can get a couple of those i don't know how big the ecosystem is but if they can continue this path and they're backed by microsoft they've got money right they've got money so if they continue this path and they keep poaching the next three, the next four, the next five. Dr. Disrespect moves over. He said there's no chance, but. I mean, we'll see.

Money talks, right? So we see five or six streamers move over and then suddenly people are watching their three favorite streamers all on Mixer. They don't really have a reason to go back to Twitch. Nope. If Mixer isn't letting down these streamers and they've set up sort of an equivalent ecosystem over there, minus the issues. That's exactly a community. They need to build a viewing community where the Twitch community, it's a lot,

but it's a little crazy, but that's why Twitch is winning right now. It has a viewership and a chat community. Mixer needs to get that, and I think the best way Mixer can get that is to bring over more names it's going to cost a ton of money i cannot imagine what these two got paid for this um in theory eventually you reach a tipping point where other creators will want to follow exactly without getting paid right so if the top two or three switch over they have an established established income stream from Twitch.

They have no reason to leave. But if Mixer comes along, here's a giant bag, then they move over and their small community of people who also stream sort of the same way will just kind of follow because Mixer is great. Maybe they get to this point of momentum where it just keeps sort of cascading. So here's the question.

Mixer, Microsoft, Twitch, Amazon, YouTube, Google. cascading so here's the question yeah uh mixer microsoft twitch amazon yeah youtube google who wins who wins who's is there a trajectory towards one of them winning right now here's the thing i have it a different winning in a different way and it's actually phil defranco said in a recent uh just phil def actually Phil DeFranco said it in a recent, uh, just Phil DeFranco show that I found super interesting. Something that literally affects me and the way I watch them yet. I'd never put it together. Okay.

Ultimately YouTube wins. And do you know why? Okay. It has nothing to do with YouTube streaming platform because it sucks. No one uses it. Yeah. I guess it doesn't suck. No one uses it.

Yeah. Correct. The reason YouTube wins every single big streamer on twitch on mixer wherever has a youtube channel and do you know why because videos on demand suck on twitch and they suck on mixer and i'll put them on youtube and there's also right they have have an editor edit the good parts it's an eight or nine hour stream i'm not gonna go watch eight hours they edit the good parts they put it into a video they put it look how many subs ninja has on youtube at least 10 million it's insane and that was over like a year youtube wins because all of these people are making youtube channels and posting all their stuff on YouTube.

And I would argue to say a majority of people watch the stuff on YouTube. That's fair. I think it's fair to say most of these. And here's the other thing about, you know, live streaming versus video on demand. Most people, I mean, this is backed up by the fact that YouTube is so big. Most people watch a video on demand. They just have more time, you know, job during the day, you go home. Someone's not streaming, hey, I'll watch a highlight on YouTube later.

Yeah, all these streamers are going to be uploading highlights to YouTube where they will continue to use that platform for what it does best, which is dominate every other video platform that exists right now. That's a very good point for youtube winning this i guess my other question is do you see mixer who's their next big pickup and will it matter who's the next big picks up pickup that would matter what's your prediction dr disrespects the big one he's claimed they don't have enough of a community uh see the biggest fish on twitch right now i don't want to say there's another streamer named

lyric i don't watch too much there's summit i'd say doc's probably the biggest one i don't know if he'll do it there's lyric is very big him going over would be huge yep here's what i should say not specific ones you have to get the variety game streamers you can't get a streamer who's only big because of one specific game like ninja yeah i guess so so the argument is that's more of proof of just how big fortnite was yeah fortnite was gigantic yeah but i mean that was you can switch it up yeah that makes sense a variety stream the ninja was the obvious place to start just because it was so massive but uh this is something i'll i'll continue to follow it's kind of

interesting just like the streaming wars in general of having the actual competition between gigantic platforms about like can we make a real alternative to this arguable monopoly is it really arguable youtube's a monopoly yeah but if we if we actually create alternatives that's that's something i'm willing to support competition Competition happens, we win. Maybe Twitch's best defense is just fixing their moderation. What's their best defense? Throwing money at creators to stay, which is kind of what YouTube has to do for a little bit? You know that's going to happen.

Yeah. Because Mixer pulling, that's a bargaining chip. Right. Mixer is bad for Twitch for that reason. True. It's a huge bargaining. You know, Doc goes to re-sign his... We're just using doc as an

example we don't know any of this but goes to resign his his new twitch contract you know mixer's right around the corner use that as leverage throw it back in a phase bigger check from twitch so there you go do you know who else tim the tap man big streamer i love him okay he's hilarious if he went to mixer that would actually be a big problem i think he's one of those really great fun streamers streams all the time huge community him going over there would be big he plays with ninja a lot too all right so that's there it is we have our we have our predictions we have our our sort of big five uh if they went over there that would be fun to follow yeah i'm gonna say i'm gonna say they're next this is my totally uneducated prediction let's go they're gonna sign doc

they're gonna do it they're gonna offer him way more money which is why they got ninja and then they're gonna start to sign people for less because people just want to go over there because it's cool all the streaming talk uh it's a it's a cool way of creating content i i would love to have a streamer on the show someday just putting that out there that would be nice anyone listening if you're a fairly big streamer you don't need to be ninja uh but i would just love to have someone on here who's a full-time streamer i'd love to know their day i'd love to know how they get amped up to stream for eight hours and be on in front of a live audience all the time. That's insane.

I think about that. I met a streamer, and I'm going to forget his name. Nick A30. Nick A30. We were shooting YouTube Rewind, actually. Yeah. And I talked to him because he was streaming on YouTube for multiple hours per day. And all of us, even in the room, in the green room behind the scenes, were just grilling him about it.

Like, so how many hours do you shoot? And you're spending time here to shoot youtube rewind and actively thinking about how you're not streaming like the schedule these guys have is crazy so yeah that whole world is is fascinating sure i'll put that out if you're a if you're a big streamer or if you know a big streamer you would like to be on the the podcast tweet at him yeah please tweet at him tag him if you want to do seagull seagull if you listen i'm a huge If you want to do Seagull, Seagull, if you listen, I'm a huge fan. You want to come on? Marquez probably has no idea who you are

because he doesn't play Overwatch, but that's fine. Any other big streamers, we would love to have you on, and it doesn't just have to be one. We can have a few. All right. I just want to know.

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What a season. I mean, it still bleeds over into the next month. Yeah, I mean, basically up till Christmas, it's still pretty wild. But the official Techtober is over. So this is the last Q&A of said month. Yeah. All right, we've got some good ones already.

Do you want to go first? So I have one. I'm going to not try to pronounce names because I made that mistake already. But they ask, red axing their phone market, do you think they would do a better job of supplying sensors to phone manufacturers like samsung does for displays or is it better for them to just stick to high-end cameras and that's interesting because they they do make

their own silicon they make those sensors and they also make the entire image processing pipeline from that capture to the actual finished media. So I guess it would be kind of interesting to see them make sensors and ship them. But I wonder if that greatness would translate because they don't have software anymore. It's probably an entire, entirely different way of creating a sensor when you're doing something so small for a phone rather than a big full frame sensor for a camera. So it is still on a basic level, the same as CMOS sensor is a CMOS sensor. And they obviously can, you know, do great technology with pixel binning and all sorts of other things with focus.

They don't do autofocus. So like, I'm sure you'd want some, some hybrid of the technologies red makes versus what others make. Um, but yeah, but yeah i you know the same way we see like smartphone cameras get better when you install the google camera app yeah it's because the software makes a huge difference in in today's world of computational photography so i almost think they probably wouldn't be able to translate their greatness to a smartphone unless they just made their own phone so yeah except that they made their own phone and they used a Sony sensor. Yeah.

In some cases, yeah. If Red wanted to fully change course of their company and put all their research and development into creating a sensor for a phone, cool, they'd probably make something awesome. That's what I originally, like originally when I heard Red was making a phone, that's what I originally thought that they were going to do.

I thought this was finally going to be a pocketable Red camera, which would have been like a totally different thing and totally different direction that they went. But I think today in this world of computational photography where you need to be a software company to do this well, that's tough. All right. I have one.

This is from Joe. Oh, that's easy to pronounce. Yeah, that was an easy one. Almost messed it up, but I held one. This is from Joe. Oh, that's easy to pronounce. Yeah, that was an easy one. Almost messed it up, but I held strong. What are each of your personal favorite Easter eggs that you've hidden in videos? His favorite is the trash can Mac Pro. For those of you who don't know that,

that was probably like two, almost three years ago. He's talking about the one where the Mac Pro is in the background, but it looked like it had trash in it. Yeah, it's in the position where your trash can is for almost every for a lot of a roll and we we took it we replaced the trash can with it put the trash can looking mac pro there and put a bunch of crumpled paper in it to make it look like an overflowing trash can i love that it was that's one of my favorites that's definitely up top um i think this is something some people don't

get all the time that was a pretty obvious one but we love to do stuff like this oh if you haven't noticed i mean we there's there's the word easter egg is kind of funny but we have we hide things in videos pretty much constantly yeah i think our new one is we and it's not so much hidden but we have this skeleton that we have at the office right now. And now for Halloween is perfect. But we put it in the background of videos all the time. I think the first time we ever did it was kind of against a white wall. So you could just barely see it. It was in Brandon's desk, I think.

The skull, yeah. So that's what we've been hiding a lot. We've done some really, really hard to find. The one that I remember, and I don't remember what video is in, I don't think a single person noticed, but remember when HomePod used to leave a ring on wooden tables? The residue white ring. Yeah. So we had a piece of wood that we used for top downs

that got the ring on it, and we specifically moved the ring in frame to another video, almost as like in our top down sets, we have stuff around the edge of the frame. We almost used it as a prop on the edge of the frame, but I don't think anyone noticed it. You know, we do a lot of these Easter eggs and hiding things in videos,

and some of them are obviously much more appreciated and noticed than others, but I always check the comments just to see how many people have noticed them. Plenty of them go unnoticed, and it's hard to think of my favorite one off the top of my head, but there's a lot of good ones.

All right, I have one from, not gonna say the name. In one of your videos in 2018, you said, so I said, that OnePlus has A plus performance and a C plus camera and Pixel has C plus performance and an A plus camera.

Do these still hold true for this year's phones for the same companies or have they improved on these? So if I use a OnePlus 7T Pro and Pixel 4, I think these ratios hold about the same. OnePlus still has A plus performance and I'd say they have a B to a B, yeah, about a B to B plus camera. And then I'll say Pixel has about B to B plus performance now and still has the A plus camera. Yeah, I feel like their performance went up. The limiting factor is how long the performance will actually stay alive before you charge it again. Yeah.

Luckily, both these phones get fast software updates and a lot of the other things about them is great. But yeah, there's other factors to consider. There's battery life, there's other stuff other stuff but yeah i'd say those ratios are actually still kind of similar so name jason asked we all know you're a huge fan of tesla but with porsche having what seems like the first legitimate competitor would you ever consider switching um for a brief second i did like before i placed my order and i thought about charging and i said never mind um the super

charger network is just a huge game changer so I did think about it for a second but there was no chance so in the future when charging's more available yeah thoughts about potentially I mean things are going to change a lot then there'll probably be more people in the manufacturing but you're would you say you're completely locked into Tesla or when the correct competition comes around with the correct ecosystem for it to strive as well as Tesla? Yeah, I think as a product, the Porsche is looked at as a competitor, but like I mentioned earlier in that video, they're kind of not also, like they both happen to be electric cars, but the Model 3 is kind of more of a competitor to the model s in my use case than

the porsche is the porsche is 50 grand more um the model s has a ton more storage which i value it has autopilot which i value it has a supercharger network which i value it has all the other entertainment features in the center console which i value um and of course there's other things that the porsche does well but as far as like a product that i actually would like for my daily life which is my commute and going to tournaments and doing road trips with the supercharger network like it was kind of a no brainer so cool yeah i think model 3 is the closest the closest thing to driving me away from model s all right i have one from go for it from do it user yeah tavan tavan sorry so you see why i don't there's just yeah yeah that probably will be my last time attempting okay so he has three questions one i'm just gonna ask one of them uh what are your thoughts about

the rumors of google buying fitbit fitbit so the fitness bands yeah i could see it happening uh the question would be are they going to use that acquisition to like build in fitbit tech into like a great google smartwatch or are they going to make like a pixel watch or something i'm sure the reason it has hype behind it that rumor is a potential google smartwatch, right? Because Fitbit does have, I forget the name of it. They have a like full watch face watch. It's not just a little like bracelet type looking band.

Okay. It's, I don't know how good it is. I haven't tried it. I know some people who liked it a lot. It's big. It's square, kind of like the. Okay. Sounds like a Fitbit.

Can smartwatches stop making square watches? I want of like the okay sounds like a fitbit can smart watches stop making square watches i want a smart watch that looks like a real watch it's gonna take apple making a circular apple watch for anyone to go back to that train moto please just yeah it used to be a thing lg made one for a little while i think they still make a circular yes they still make it a circular smart watch for android phones uh samsung still makes a circular smartwatch for Android phones. Samsung still makes a circular watch. I loved the Moto 360. That was one of the early ones with the little flat tire at the bottom. But it had a thin bezel.

I'm like, that was really nice. But now we do get a lot of squares because Apple makes a square Apple Watch. Yeah, I don't know. I'm still an Apple Watch person. That sort of ecosystem tie-in matters too. I have friends that I compete with in the little fitness tracker thing.

So yeah, it is what it is. I'm excited. I want an Android smartwatch pretty bad. I know everyone's gonna be like, use the Galaxy Watch, use whatever. I don't know. None of them have really caught my eye, but it just needs to be Circle.

Please be Circle. Google, please. Watches are actually a very, very design-based decision because they all, at the end of the day, have pretty much the same functionality, right? If you have a watch, it tells the time. It may track your steps and your fitness and maybe give you some notifications

and some shortcuts to apps, and that's pretty much it. The funny thing is telling the time's not even... It's a watch. The couple times I do wear watches for nice occasions, every time I need to see the time, I pull my phone out of my pocket same it's just i'm not used to it it happens to tell the time i think i've gotten used to actually checking my watch now that i wore apple watch more but yeah it's it's a very fitness driven sorry it's a very fashion driven decision so yeah it's gonna have to look good too i. I like this one from someone named Evan who says,

do you think there will be a point when people won't want to watch your videos because you're too old? Here, for example, a 54-year-old MKBHD reviewing the latest iPhone 33. And I think that's probably one of my bigger fears. Actually, one of my biggest fears in life, I have two fears actually thanks for bringing these up evan one of my big fears is you know that old guy in the left lane who's completely unaware that he's blocking traffic and just getting blasted past people on the right lane um i if i'm ever that guy take away my license just take it away i don't want to be that guy and the other fear I have is, you know, maybe it

happens a little bit with like social stuff like TikTok or whatever, but like being the totally out of touch, like old tech reviewer, you know what I mean? And I don't even think that really exists because everyone's sort of been in this game for maybe a decade, right? Maybe 20 years because tech as the way it exists today, there's so many people who've been doing it for so long but being that like 50 year old guy who's like why do i need this extra camera or like imagine why are they putting that imac pro on a stand that doesn't even come with like all these things today like i i'm glad i can still properly evaluate products in like a meaningful way but uh i am terrified of being like the uh yeah the old curmudgeony tech reviewer like i remember buttons everything should have buttons again so here's something

that might make you feel a little bit better if you think about it your audience now will also continue to get old true so maybe to the younger audience you're that old we can we can we'll just all bond together about how old tech was the best. Because you know how old people today think everything old was better. Yeah. Yeah, there's a whole world of people who love the old stuff. And I hope to remain forward thinking enough to not become that person super soon. My birthday is coming up.

I feel like 26. I'm going to feel old, but whatever. We'll get there. I'm almost 30. We'll get there. I'm almost 30. We'll get there, man. We're going to be looking back at the good old days where phones had face ID and screens made of glass that didn't fold. I feel like we're going to be looking back where phones weren't completely screens. Yeah.

We're physical. They had character. They had a tactile feel, and they were made of metal, and they had ports. And they broke. And they broke when you plugged them in. Wow. Do you think we're going to get to a point where phones don't break because they're not physical? No, that's something I'm confident about.

Tech will always break. Tech will always break. Okay, so where did we start this at? Let's go to the next question. I've derailed this so far. Let's leave that train off the rails. Someone says, what's with that Moto event coming up? A clamshell folding phone?

Is that happening? Motorola hasn't made a lot of great things recently. And that's a fair point. But I think what we're kind of expecting or hoping for, despite the total lack of any leaks, is something like a folding phone version of the original Motorola Razr. And I think that is the most optimistic thing we can expect. Yeah.

Just because of what we've seen in folding phones lately. If Motorola were to suddenly come along and do a folding phone better than everyone else, like to have that folding display on the inside and have like a clamshell design and not have a huge problem with their ability. That would be amazing. Um, but I'll be there and I'm just going to wait and see. I'll bring a camera.

Yeah. Here's, here's my thing is that the original razor kind of what was so good about it was that it was so thin. So I hope that they can bring an extremely thin phone that's folding over so when it is folded it's about the same size as a regular phone. That sounds like

no way it could happen but we were talking about this the other day because Samsung did Samsung show a concept or did someone show a concept of it? Samsung showed a concept of a vertical folder. A vertical folder that just looked kind of like an S10, S10 Plus, but folded over. And we were debating, would I rather have one long skinny phone in my pocket or a shorter

but double as thick phone in my pocket? So my question with this vertical folder thing is, why do I want it to fold? Like the whole point of a folder for me is you get to fit a bigger screen in your pocket than you normally could have. But when you have this like vertical phone, that's like a normal size, all you're doing by folding it is just making it like, you know, a little thicker and like half the vertical size, but it's going to fit in your pocket anyway. So I guess I would want like a huge screen out of that, which seems kind of weird to

have a huge vertical screen. But yeah, I don't know. That's something will remain to be seen I'm interested though I'll be at the event I think that's gonna be a fun one okay I got a good unique one from Jacob here okay what's the most unusual tech support you've had from a family member so I guess some sort of call they made where there's some weird issue went wrong. All right. I know you've worked in IT, so you've probably had a lot of weird text book calls.

Yeah, I have a great IT one. I'll do two. I'll do a family and I'll do an IT one. Okay. The family one's much quicker. It was, I'm not going to name names because I think some of my family listens to this. Oh, boy.

I had somebody who was with a friend and they just called and said, hey, isn't there a Find My iPhone app? I was like, yeah, I don't use iPhone, but there is one. They're like, okay, how do we get it? And eventually I go through and teach them how to do it. And then they're like, okay, well, thank you. We're going to go look.

We left the iPad on top of the car and drove away with it on the car and it wasn't there when we got back. So now we're going to go use it and they found it. I forget if it was on the side of the road somewhere broken. I don't know. I've had a weird story where

a friend left his phone on top of the car, drove through an entire town, pulled in our driveway, got out the car and it was still on top of the car. I did that with my laptop moving in college. A laptop? Yeah, but those rubber feet on the bottom of a macbook oh it was a very short it was when i was moving from like my moving stuff from a college dorm to my off-campus apartment across town or something yeah so it wasn't very far but that's impressive stick uh my it story is a little more fun but a little more in depth, so I worked at a company where we

were kind of a middleman between providing shipping from UPS to smaller companies. So I did a lot of work with, uh, label printers. So people would ship stuff. You would print labels out of these terrible, terrible zebra label printers that broke nonstop. Um, sounds like a printer. Yeah, man, it was, I feel like it's literally the worst thing you could do in IT. The worst thing you could do at home is trying to get your printer to work and then do that as a job. Wow. It was pretty bad. But other than that, for smaller customers, they didn't have a standalone shipping program. They did it all online and they had to install Java in order to get i

don't know how java works too too well but they needed java in order to enter in all the information and send it to the zebra printer so i would get calls every single day saying my java's out of date i need you to update it because apparently just clicking yes it's out of date and letting it automatically do it was too hard. So I had to remote into, or I couldn't remote into this guy's computer because he couldn't figure out how to do it. So I tried to explain to him on the phone. In order to, I'm asking him questions,

I'm asking him questions, it's not working. The number one rule when you're doing IT is start as literally as simple as possible. I mean, to the point where it's like, is the damn computer on? So it was on. Then you have to start trying to figure out what internet browser they're using

because that helps a little bit. This was right around that time where Java was starting to get taken off of like Chrome. Okay. So do you know what internet browser you're using? No. Okay. What does the logo look like?

Exactly. Is it a circle with red, yellow, and green? No. All right. Is it blue with some orange around the outsides? Firefox? Nope. Okay. It's Internet Explorer. So it's a blue E. No. You're on Windows, right? Yeah. Okay. Please, when you go to click the button for the internet, can you hover your mouse over it and a little thing should pop up what does it say he's like aol i was like you have to be kidding me i he had to have heard me laugh because he went this is pretty old isn't it i was like i was like it is he was he thought it was hilarious he was like oh man i'm really showing my age um i then i went

through and installed internet explorer for him and everything and got just like a shortcut i got a shortcut set up for him so he could just double click the shortcut and it would go right to our landing page to do all the all this shipping you needed to do but wow that was a fun one probably took like 25 30 minutes to find out he was using aol which obviously doesn't support my favorite part of that is that you upgraded someone to Internet Explorer. That's incredible. The browser that's only there so you can download Chrome or Firefox. Essentially, yeah. I mean, they've tried to work out of that with Edge, but that's what they are. Yeah, but have you tried Edge? No, I haven't. And I don't plan on it. Sorry, Chrome's still fine. Yeah, no. Well, I don't have many tech support stories. I mean, my family, my dad actually works in tech. He's good with tech. My sister kind of has this like, like a force field around her where tech within a couple meters of her just spontaneously breaks. I think that's how it works. Like she'll hold the other day she texted me like, my I think she said, our FaceTime cameras and Macs supposed to be like pretty bad?

And I was like, yeah, they're pretty bad. And she sends me a video and it's just, it looks like the thousandth upload of our video project. She's like, is it supposed to be this bad? I was like, I have no idea what's wrong with your computer. But I usually just end up telling them to, you know, upgrade, just get a new webcam or just get a new trackpad or a mouse. So yeah, I don't know.

That's where I'm at. I think that's a good one to end it on there. That was a lot of fun. Thank you guys for the questions. Techtober has been a blast, but we're heading right into, let's, I don't know, Techvember? That's a little weird.

Let's just call it November. Let's call it November, but it'll be a tech-heavy one. We'll be back with the videos. Thank you so much for sending in your questions and for listening and for watching. And we'll catch you guys soon. Make sure to give us a follow or rate us on Apple Podcasts. Waveform is brought to you by Studio 71 and our intro outro song is by Cameron Barlow.