Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Apple's New Macbook Pros, the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro, and more!

Episode Date: October 22, 2021

Techtober is in full swing! This week Marques and Andrew go over the new gadgets from the Apple event. They discuss the new AirPods, the new M1 Pro and M1 Max chips, and of course the new Macbook Pros. After that, they go over the Google event and give their impressions on the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro before switching it up and talking about the Microsoft Surface Duo 2 and the Rivian R1T. Is October over yet? Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/Waveform/featured Twitters: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/AdamLukas17 Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Shop the merch:  shop.mkbhd.com Join the Discord:  https://discord.gg/mkbh Music by 20syl:  https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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But where are we? We're your hosts. I'm Mar tired. I'm sure you are. But where are we? We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And it is, you're hearing this on a Friday, but we're recording this a little bit earlier in the week. And this week we had an Apple event on Monday. Yep. We had a Samsung, a Google, see how tired I am?

Yeah. We had a Google event on Tuesday. We had a Samsung event on Wednesday. Like today when we're recording. As we're recording this. We just came straight into here. Exactly. Exactly. And we have a Samsung event on Wednesday. Like today when we're recording. As we're recording this. We just came straight into here. Exactly.

And we have a lot to talk about. I think they're kind of in order of excitement because, well, for me anyway as a creator, there's some really interesting stuff in all three. But really right from the top, the Apple October event was pretty hype. It's what y'all have been asking for for a long time. Yeah, exactly.

So I made a video about all this stuff and I opened the video saying like, all right, I'm to stay calm i'm gonna try to stay neutral but i was really excited for these laptops like i this is i've edited videos for a long time and over a decade at this point and there got to a point where the cameras and the footage got past the level that i could acceptably edit on a laptop. And that was kind of sad because I like editing on a laptop. I like editing anywhere, but I also really like crispy 8K footage.

Yeah, and it got to a point where it was being detrimental to the production of our stuff because we would fly out to an event, you would edit, and I would wake up the next morning getting ready to go to the plane and your eyes would just be bloodshot. I'd be like, Marques, did you go to sleep? And you're like, no, I would wake up the next morning getting ready to go to the plane and your eyes would just be like bloodshot.

I'd be like, Marques, did you go to sleep? And you're like, no, I was babysitting the export. Waiting for it to render. So that's what developed the travel iMac. So we had an iMac Pro. So I think we'll get more into it, but I think the big thing here will be like, are these laptops going to replace the travel iMac?

Yeah, I've told this story before, but I'll just tell an abbreviated version. The first time I started editing on Final Cut Pro, I was using Premiere on a MacBook Pro and John Morrison from TLD was using Final Cut Pro on a MacBook Pro. We both went and shot that Kobe interview in Staples Center in LA. He shot the behind the scenes video. I had the main interview. We both finished editing around the same time. We both started exporting around the same time. And then we were like, let's go grab dinner oh wait a second his video is done exporting already he found a mistake in his video went back corrected it exported it again meanwhile i'm like

like 16 done exporting and i'm like i this is this is bad so i had to switch to final cut pro and i got a lot more speed out of that. But still, when you go like red footage, when you go exporting these, transcoding these huge files, it takes a very long time. And I usually do have to sit and babysit like a six-hour export. I mean, you're like an anomaly in the sense that no matter how many times you upgrade,

you find ways to break it and stuff. I mean, even the Mac Pro some days has its moments. You need to be like hired by Apple or Google or any tech company to just dress test their stuff. Well, that's what I'm here for. So we got a couple things at the event. There's some other audio products right before the MacBook Pros. There was the AirPods 3. When it comes to listening to music on the go, AirPods deliver a magical wireless experience.

Which we'll be testing. AirPods deliver a magical wireless experience. Which we'll be testing. They're essentially AirPods Pro minus the silicon tips and the noise cancellation. The good stuff, yeah. So, yeah, but it's cheaper. So it's $179. And they also all now have a MagSafe compatible case that slaps on the back, which is kind of cool. They actually quietly updated all of the AirPods

with wireless charging to a MagSafe compatible wireless charging case, but that's a cool new feature. We'll check those out. Yeah, it seems like it's basically just AirPods 2 with the AirPods Pro case and has spatial audio, right? And design, yeah, and spatial audio. Yeah, the plastic ones,

they've never fit in my ears without the silicon tips. Some people, I'm so jealous because they fit perfectly in their ears without the silicon tips. Some people, I'm so jealous because they fit perfectly in their ears without the silicon and they just run around and somehow it's magic and good for them. I'm not one of those ears. I think ANC and transparency mode is awesome, but the main reason I would buy the Pros

is just for the silicon tips so they would actually fit. So I would be totally down for, I don't need spatial audio, give me the ones that fit at the $17 price point i would be so much happier maybe someday but they also uh we got some new colors for the homepod mini not really too crazy but some yellow orange and blue so it's just black and white before that's pretty sweet gray and white sorry space gray and i'm assuming it's space gray i don was almost black, whatever. Yeah, so there's some color in the lineup now. We also got a new lower tier of Apple Music called Apple,

I guess, Apple Music Voice or Voice something. It was a little confusing actually at first. Basically just sounds like you're triggering all of your audio experience from Siri. I'm not really sure if that's a way to get more people to use Apple Music. Are there people out there with like only a HomePod, but no iPhone, so they need to listen to music? I'm not sure. I think the final, we were all very confused. We thought at first it was an extra $5 just to get Siri to work with Apple Music. Which would be weird. Yeah. But so I think

what we finally found out is that it's basically just like a cheaper because Apple Music's $10 a month, right? So this is $5 a month. So then it's just a cheaper way of if you, I guess, only ever really play music when you're using your HomePod and stuff like that. If you're mostly playing, I guess, in a home atmosphere through Siri, I guess maybe Apple CarPlay probably would take it as well.

If you really don't like the would take it as well. Sure. If you really don't like the... It's a thing. Yeah. It's a thing now. But then they got to the product we were all waiting for, the $19 Apple polishing microfiber cloth. Beautiful.

I can't believe it's on sale separately. Yeah. It's basically the cloth that came with the uh protosplex yeah it's got a whole compatibility list on that was so good if you guys if you haven't seen yet quinn posted it or you can just go to the apple site but the polishing cloth somebody took the time to put in the what it's compatible with and the best part is it's not compatible with all iphones it's incredible i almost wonder if there's something specific. I was trying to figure out if that's when

Gorilla Glass started or Ceramic Shield started. It ends right around the first iPhone SE and nothing before that is quote unquote compatible. Yeah, you gotta have the latest iOS to use this microfiber cloth. Yeah, right. iOS 13 only. But yeah, so that was good. But for real,

M1 MacBooks. M1 pro and m1 max so i don't know i guess i'll start with the chips then get to the macbook pros because there's it's a whole lot all together and they're a package so uh m1 pro and m1 max are the upgraded versions higher end versions of apple silicon i've also explained all this this in an MKBHD full video, but essentially they're much bigger GPUs, much beefier on the GPU side. The M1 stuff was great. It wasn't super heavy on the GPU because these were replacing machines that didn't have dedicated GPUs. So it's integrated. That's cool. Now we get these big GPU cores. So M1 Pro, 14 or 16 GPU cores, much bigger GPU, and it's a physically larger chip going into this machine.

And then there's M1 Max, which again is 10 CPU cores, but it's doubling that GPU again. So an even physically bigger chip, but way more GPU. And we're starting to get these crazy numbers, like the memory bandwidth numbers are 200 or 400 gigabytes per second.

Yeah. Up to 32 gigs of memory on M1 Pro or 64 gigs on M1 Max. I think they're being equated to like a RTX 3080, a desktop RTX 3080. I didn't hear that. I'm sure a lot of people are rolling their eyes at that sentence. It's just pure numbers right now. Exactly. No one really has compared them or benchmarked them against anything.

And if we want to compare real quick, the1 you know the original m1 that is eight cpu cores seven or eight gpu cores 68 gigs of memory bandwidth and 16 gigs of max memory so we're talking like double or triple between the m1 pro and m1 max yeah so i'm a huge fan of m1 especially in this computer i've been dailying for a while, the 13-inch M1 MacBook Pro, because of its efficiency. It's got incredible battery life, but it's also got great single-core,

great snappy performance, so that's all good. But these are just much more powerful chips. So they're appropriate for higher-end machines, and the only thing they show them up in is MacBook Pros. I was kind of curious if we'd see an upgraded imac like a 27 inch imac or like or even a mac mini or a mac mini exactly i i could see it in some other stuff too but it's just macbook pros that we got maybe there's another event coming for the rest of that stuff but okay the macbook pros m1 pro and m1 max represent a

huge leap forward in silicon for Pro systems. And our teams have been hard at work designing a brand new MacBook Pro that can take full advantage of that incredible performance and capability. I love it. They basically just redesigned. They went backwards by like five years and reimagined everything about it. Re-reimagined, yeah. So 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro.

Really liking both of the designs. So the design, first of all, it does have a slightly new shape, and it really reminds me of those older clamshells, not the iBook, the PowerBooks. The PowerBooks, yeah. The PowerBooks, and I think that's very intentional, and the whole design sort of fits around that. So it's cool. The footprints

are about the same as the 13-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro. But we have ports now, first of all. I'm trying to figure out where to start. We have ports. Love the ports. We have MagSafe as a charger. Up to 140 watts from the brick

which is very large. It is very large, but we were talking about how there are cell phones out there now with faster charging. True, but like MagSafe, I never really used long-term a laptop with MagSafe. I kind of joined right around the USB-C, all that happening. You can still charge laptops with USB-C, by the way.

People were wondering that. But if you want that fastest charging, MagSafe is back is back can i just quickly say with a braided cable also which i'm very excited for my old magsafe cable when i was in college i was like doing work one day on it and i heard a pop and smelled smoke and the cable like next to the computer had like frayed and somehow like shorted it or something like that and i had to go get a new charger. So I'm hoping the braided cable will fix that. Well, the other good thing is it's separate from the brick. So if that happens, you can just get rid of the cable or the brick. It used to be like that also, but like I think it shorted the brick due to,

I don't know exactly what it was, but yeah, it was bad news. It's not fun having to spend 80 bucks on a new charger when you're in college. Yeah, for sure. This one, I hope it's good. It should give you half battery in half an hour, which is pretty sweet. So that's one good port. Then we got full-size HDMI out of nowhere. I don't have a lot to say about HDMI, but it's back.

It is always a good thing to have because having a random HDMI to C dongle is way less common than just a just like C expansion dongle or an SD card like reader or something like that. Right. There's no like single HDMI dongle. It's always part of another bigger dongle. There are some. It's just like no one has one just like laying around really. We're a whole tech studio

and if we ever need that yet, it's very hard to find somewhere in here. We have like one hidden somewhere. So that's good to be back. We're not sure if it's HDMI 2.1 or what the spec is of it yet, but fingers crossed there. Then we have three Thunderbolt 4 ports. So that's good.

No full-size USB, but there is a headphone jack, which supports higher impedance. How did I not notice that? Well, it's always had the headphone jack, but it supports higher impedance headphones now did I not notice that? Well, it's always had the headphone jack, but it supports higher impedance headphones now, which is a very pro touch because higher impedance headphones

would typically require you to plug in via USB a separate DAC, which then you'd plug the headphones into. So not only are you saving a port, theoretically, if this internal DAC is really good, but you still have, like your head, it just plugs right into the laptop and that's nice and convenient.

So that's cool. And then the SD card slot is back, baby. And an SD card slot enabling fast access to media. That's what I was really pumped about. I saw that slot on the side of the laptop. I was like, this is game changer. People are going to get this laptop. Game changer.

I like how game changer is something they took away from us and then brought back. That's the fun part about all of this is, like, we used to have literally everything I've just talked to you about. Other than the high impedance headphones, all these ports used to be on the MacBook Pro. So USB is here. It's faster with Thunderbolt 4, but like we've had USB for a while.

Thank you for HDMI. Thanks for SD card slot. We have to give Apple kind of like, I'm not giving them full credit because they didn't admit how wrong they were by taking it all away from us, but they did bring it back. So I'm not going to like jump from the rooftops that this is like some groundbreaking reimagined ports, but like we're very happy they're back. Let us be happy they're back. Yeah. The language in the keynote was really funny.

I love watching them just like try to skirt around. Yeah, those moments of like pros appreciate the flexibility of multiple ports. Just like you hear them say this and you're like, yeah, but you're the ones who – Yeah, you moments of like pros appreciate the flexibility of multiple ports. Just like you hear them say this and you're like, yeah, but you're the ones who – Yeah, you did this. I mean if you want to talk about things that they're fixing that they caused a problem for, let's go to the keyboard now of the new. It's so much better. Yeah, so typically we have MacBook Pros with a touch bar, which is a half-size strip of touchscreen at the top. Mixed reception.

Wasted space, yeah. It had potential, honestly. When it first came out, I was like, oh, this could be really cool if developers make cool stuff here and if this starts to... But it didn't turn out to be that good. I think there are very few people who love the touch bar. Right.

They're coming out of the woodwork now that it's gone. Exactly. But pick them up now whilework now that it's gone exactly but you know pick them up now while you can because it's gone and we have replaced it with a full-size row of actual buttons function key buttons um never seen before yeah never before seen in a laptop uh no but there's still touch id over on the far right hand corner which is nice and then all those buttons are real and physical and actually like the keyboard the keyboard is like inset inside the laptop and that whole keyboard well is black now which is a subtle thing but it again sort of has retro vibes and is uh it's a new it makes the new design look different and i like

it it's really funny because we were setting up uh an older macbook just for for adam to use for the week and i was using the old butterfly keyboards like it was right after the event and i was just like we've come so far they really just destroyed this laptop before finally fixing it they did everything wrong i feel like to get to that point it was definitely like boiling the frog what's the saying where like if you slowly never heard this oh like if you just put a frog in a pot of water and slowly turn up the heat, it won't realize that it's boiling until it's dying. And so animals were harmed.

No, this is a common saying because I, I've used all of these keyboards for the past like five years and I never really thought like every year it would get a little bit shallower and a little bit shallower. And I was like, oh, the keyboard's a little shallower. It's kind of annoying. And then the next year it'd be i was like oh the keyboard's a little shallower it's kind of annoying and then the next year be like oh the keyboard's a little shallower again that's kind of annoying but now that i'm using these and i went back to the shallowest one oh my god that keyboard's bad i want in the final review i want you to like side by side like typing test on them or something because just setting that up like just typing in a couple passwords and and stuff it was brutal it's rough i i can't

believe they got that thin so they definitely boiled the water on me but i'm glad i'm glad they're back again so keyboard thumbs up uh and then the last big upgrade i mean they did improve the speakers and the microphone but the last big upgrade is definitely the screens yeah so like i said 14 inch and 16 inch in the same uh form factor essentially it's slightly different dimensions but as the 13 inch and 16 inch outgoing but what we're what we're really seeing here is the display thinned up the bezels and got closer to the corners yep it looks pretty good it's three and a half millimeters all the way around and then there's a notch at the top i'll get to that in a second don't worry don't worry i'll get to that in a second but the display itself is 120 hertz pro motion so it's up

to that high refresh rate and it's hdr it's essentially a mini pro display xdr it's using the same mini led tech and uh gets way brighter up to 1600 nits peak brightness and hdr content and editing um which is really exciting to have to not i think uh john tld again he just tweeted like it would be a shame to use these laptops uh john tld again he just tweeted like it would be a shame to use these laptops in clamshell mode you know you can like close them and plug them into a monitor because that monitor now is probably better than whatever you're gonna plug it into yeah so that new screen is gonna be awesome for editing but let's talk about the notch it's it's kind of weird that this this so the the aesthetic now is there's a notch at the top and the middle

that houses the new webcam. It's a 1080p webcam. Finally. Great. Another big step for Apple. They doubled the resolution. Thank you. But it's so wide that it seems like it has more,

it has enough room for a whole Face ID suite, but they didn't put it in. And to me, first of all, it's like, okay, you're going to do that in the next one. You're going to put Face ID in the notch because now they all have to look the same and you just waited a year and we all know what's happening. But let's say you don't care about that. You still got Touch ID on the keyboard. The other thing is the extra screen is up at the top to the left and right of the notch.

That's all menu bar now. Yep. And that's actually fine. The way it was described is it's basically you're getting extra screen up there that you didn't have before. Totally agree. Because a lot of the way it's really easy to think about it is, wow, the notch is cutting into my screen. The notch is just the last bit of the screen that you didn't get rid of. Does that make sense?

Like you're getting more screen and the notch is just left behind. Well, so it makes so much more sense here because like in a phone that was also the case, you know, you were getting extra screen and you were just kind of getting your notifications up there. The problem was is on a phone,

it's really easy for your notification bar to fill up and then you don't have that space. You are never going to fill the menu bar and notifications or whatever up on a laptop. We'll see. Okay, maybe I shouldn't say never, but it is far, far harder and most people will not. So yeah, you do get the extra thing.

I'm pretty sure I know what you're going to complain about. What? That the menu bar is like four pixels longer than the notch. So rather than it just being perfectly flush with the menu bar is like four pixels longer than the notch so rather than it just being perfectly flush with the menu bar you like see the menu bar under the notch and it's just this like little tiny thing yeah that is super frustrated from a company that just takes design so seriously that seeing that makes me believe there's a reason for it i just i'm not exactly sure what it is yet i think it may just be because the area underneath the display

or the area underneath the notch is a little bit taller than 16 by 10 or whatever aspect ratio they're going for. And so now when you full screen a video or full screen any app, it's going to full screen underneath the notch. The notch will never cut into anything. Oh, that's another thing that kind of peeves me a little bit. What? It's like when you're in a full screen video

and you have the bars above the video, it centers the bars as if the bottom of the notch was the top of the screen. So when you now black out the part with the notch and you add the extra black bars, there's more blank space on top than the bottom. I mean, these are super nitpicky things, but again, like in a design perspective,

it would feel much better if it was evened out. if they could move it up a little bit but you know it's it's never the notch will never cut into anything no which is good uh but yeah they're they're totally going to add face id to the next one that they make it's just this one doesn't have it and i would have actually been totally fine with face id in the laptop like windows hello you just open the laptop it looks at you with the webcam for like a second and it just unlocks this would have been a more secure version of that with like their face ID tech but it's not here so I have a feeling this is a notch that's gonna slowly melt away to our eye and I wouldn't be shocked care I don't mind it at all yeah I think it's totally fine again you're getting extra screen it's just those little tiny things that kind of make it look not perfect.

Yeah. In an otherwise incredible machine, this is probably the easiest thing to, like, trash on, this notch. Yeah, I mean, it's the notch. It's easy to trash. Yeah. But other than that, they're expensive. The 14-inch starts at $19.99. The 16-inch starts at $24.99.

And you can max both of them out with the same specs, the same M1 Max and 64 gigs of memory and all the high-end stuff, 8 terabytes of storage. And the highest-end 16-inch, I think, will be $6100. So you can spec it up pretty high. I think the highest you can get with all the programs pre-installed. If you add Final Cut. It's like $6600 or something. But yeah, $61 for Macs

hardware and everything yeah my only other gripe here is the name Macs in a Mac is yeah very confusing your A-roll

for any of these is gonna be brutal cause you're just gonna get tongue tied for everything yeah there's a couple M1 Macs Macs on the way I don't even know

what you just said there it is definitely stay tuned for the reviews of these i'm very excited i hope i get to to edit on a laptop again that's my ultimate goal i really feel like the the final test in that is just like do we ditch the travel imac yeah yeah the travel imac that's it's an imac pro right now that's sitting in a massive Pelican case that weighs about 70 pounds. I think we could fit Hayato in that Pelican case. Oh, easily.

I could fit in that case. It's huge. But we literally pull up to the airport with all our bags and then this massive rumbling box behind us. And we go, can we check this bag, please? And they're like, is it oversized? And they're like, look at it. Yes, it's oversized. And that thing shows up on the other side in the oversized baggage.

And then we set it up in the hotel and it's a desktop. So if we can not do that ever again, this laptop's a huge win. I don't care what anyone says. Yeah. So that's exciting. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We've got to talk about Pixel and a bunch of other stuff. And no matter your team, your favorite player, or your style, taken care of with a sportsbook born in Vegas. That's a feeling you can only get with BetMGM.

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Now, this was a mysterious phone because nobody knew what the Pixel was going to look like. No one had any clue if there would be one or two Pixels, if they would have, like, a weird camera design. No one had any clue. Yeah, would we see the Pixel Ultra? Yeah, would we finally get the Ultra? This is heavy sarcasm in case you can't tell. We knew what they were going to look like,

but we're finally just getting sort of confirmation and prices. Basically, it was an hour-long price reveal, even though they released the price in the first five minutes. Yeah, price reveal and some cool feature demos. Yeah. So, neat. And we do have them here in the studio officially. I can show you.

There it is. And I can even unlock i can show you there it is and i can even uh unlock it and show you the home screen there's my home screen i can't as of this moment show you anything else but we can talk about all this stuff yeah that we went over in that hands-on video so the prices are the most notable 5.99 for the pixel 6 8.99 for pixel 6 pro how Pro. Were you surprised when you heard those prices? I feel like we were guessing them and we were guessing a lot higher. Yeah, surprised, but for kind of different reasons. So with Tensor, it's really hard to kind of guess

where the price range would be. I think the most surprising thing is the delta between the prices of how high they are. I could have seen both phones going for $599, $799 difference or 699 899 but to see one at 599 899 puts this like just huge gap between the two where then you start to wonder like where's your money best spent kind of thing 599 is an awesome awesome price tag um so weed. So we're seeing like, because Pixel 5 with, you know, a kind of smaller chip than like the flagships at that time. So I was kind of expecting like maybe it would be really awesome.

You know, Pixel's never really killed their hardware compared to other flagships and stuff like that. You know, if they can undercut some, it would be really, really awesome. Almost like the new OnePluses, like, you know what I mean? But so seeing $599 is great. some it would be really really awesome almost like the new one pluses like yeah i mean but um so seeing 599 is great yeah 899 still a little under but it's pretty pretty up there still yeah that is pricier so yeah i don't know there's there's a lot of interesting stuff i guess let's start with the differences between the phones like if you haven't seen the designs by now like you

it's got the camera bar on the back it's got these big screens 6.4 and 6.7 inches they're big phones they've got these big screens, 6.4 and 6.7 inches. They're big phones. They've got these unique colors and obviously Android 12 and Material U. But the difference is, okay, for the $300, you're going to get one, you're going to get a slightly bigger screen, 6.7 inches, and you'll get that screen to be 120 hertz instead of 90. Yep. And you'll get that screen to be slightly curved around the edges

instead of flat yeah and so it has like slightly smaller bezels yeah that is neat and i think i think a common sentiment is like people were like why isn't there a small one i wanted there to be a small phone but the uh the response from google would likely be we're making a 599 phone and we're going to give you as much phone as possible for that price and people usually want a big screen so we're giving you a big screen for low dollars which is fair yeah i think it's i mean we've seen with iphone mini like the sales weren't as as good as we were all hoping for um and then i think what people really wanted it though because pixel 5 was like a great size. It was much smaller, not like mini

size, but still just a smaller phone. So I think people were expecting maybe something similar to that, at least in this release, but it didn't happen. So we just got some chunky boys. Some big phones. The big phone also has a bigger battery. It's 5,000 mAh versus, I think it's 4,600.

Those are still still great battery sizes both pretty big batteries so that'll be fun to test they both have the same tensor chip they both have the same specs other than 12 gigs of ram in the pro versus eight in the in the regular six which is a bit more ram but they both have a lot of ram then you get these glossier sides on this pro phone versus uh actually matte black sides on the six i actually prefer the matte aluminum on the six it's something pixel's been doing for a bit like the i still have the pixel 4 i loved the like orange or the white color with the yeah the matte black sides but no accent but oh the button makes me so mad. That would have been tight.

Like, how do you do these two-tone colors on everything and like, Pixels always like love the different colors. Yeah. Just put the accent button on.

I want to see the green one so bad and with a green accent button would look so, well, as good as these phones can look. I'm still a little indifferent

to the look of the phone. Can we normalize not doing glossy sides? Like, every time we hear them describe it, it's like, we were inspired by high-quality finishes to the whole design. Can we normalize not doing glossy sides? Like every time we hear them describe it, it's like, We were inspired by high quality finishes used in jewelry and watches. It's inspired by jewelry

and it's very glossy and premium looking. And it's like, yeah, jewelry is shiny, but like the matte one doesn't gather fingerprints. Actually, this pro has a matte cutout at the top, likely for the millimeter wave support. Did you see the other colors of that? We're off on such a tangent right now. There's a white one.

The white one, at least the white kind of matches it, but doesn't match the silver rails. And then the yellow one, it has this like almost, I don't even know how to describe it, like almost gold kind of like matte yellow on the top because we're assuming it's the window for millimeter wave, right? So it's like this matte yellow on the top because we're assuming it's the window for millimeter wave. So it's like this matte finish on the top. The problem is it doesn't span the whole

thing so you can see the sides of it. Yeah. And it looks really bad on the yellow I think. I also call the yellow banana cream pie like that you've left on your counter for too long. Yeah that's fair. What was Android B? I guess that was before it was like a beta. Oh. It should have been banana that was before it was like a beta. Oh.

It should have been Banana Cream Pie if it was named. Wow, what a tangent. Okay, where was I? So you also get one more camera in the Pro. Yes.

So we have a standard 50 megapixel primary camera in both. We have the same ultra wide camera in both. We do have an added

4X telephoto in the Pro which again will go to further lengths to zoom in if you want optical zoom super res zoom is available on both but you can go further with this extra dedicated telephoto and another subtle thing the selfie camera on the pro is a little bit more ultra wide it's ultra wide and the the regular six is wide but not quite as wide and it doesn't shoot 4k selfie video it does 1080 so it's a slightly upgraded selfie camera on the pro that's about it millimeter wave if you don't get it on like one of the carrier versions of the pixel 6 at a millimeter wave that's another difference but that's pretty much it just be careful if you

it is not 599 if you're getting millimeter wave off like Verizon or AT&T. If you're in the U.S., I think it's like $699 or even $729 from AT&T. Yeah, sheesh. So is that a $300? Is that not enough for a $300 difference? So when I break that down, my thoughts are the two things I would miss the most are the telephoto. And I'm mad that the selfie camera on the regular is not as wide i love wide selfie cameras i do not know how that's not a thing on every single phone was it pixel 3 that pixel 3 and then took it away for four yeah is that big pixel 3xl notch had those two selfie

cameras biggest mistake google's ever made yeah so i don't, I kind of struggle to think what else they could have done to make this worth more money. I just, yeah, I don't know. It's like, I don't see myself wanting to spend the extra $300

because I like the matte sides better. I like the flat screen better. Although I will say the bezels do make it look chunkier and more like brickish when you're just looking at it, but I still like the flat screen better. What was that word? Brick-ish. Oh word brick ish oh brickish oh oh yeah i don't know if it's an actual word that's fair um yeah it looks more like you know when you when you see both of them from the top

the pro looks so much better because of the curved screen it makes the bezels look yeah but totally fine with the bezels i mean i've dealt with this massive forehead on the 4xl forever i think i can deal with some just oh yeah they'll both be an upgrade for sure um but like i have the ultra wide which is what i'm dying for i'll miss the telephoto but um i it's basically saying i don't want to spend 300 for a telephoto and i like the size of the smaller quote-unquote smaller one better yeah 6.4 inches is still plenty of screen yeah i think that's a good i think that's going to be a really good deal and a really good phone for a lot of people yeah now screen. Yeah, I think that's a good, I think that's going to be a really good deal and a really good phone for a lot of people.

Now again, this isn't the review that's coming up. We're testing them. For sure. I am annoyed by the double embargo. Yes. It is a red flag. It always is every time we see it. I myself am not going to order one

until we get through all of our testing. Yeah, David's testing one. David's testing the Pixel 6 right now. I'm testing the 6 Pro. We might trade at some point soon, but look forward to those reviews, definitely. This is a random question. When you're talking about a phone,

let's say Pixel 6 versus Pixel 6 Pro or iPhone 13 versus iPhone 13 Pro, do you automatically assume when they just say the number that they're talking about the smaller version? So if I say like, how's the Pixel 6? Do you assume I'm only talking about the regular pixel six because there's so many times i add the word regular or smaller or something like that to it i feel like we need to create a

word for saying yeah it's kind of like talking about cameras where you talk about the primary camera or do you say primary or wide or regular camera um i think i assume yeah i'm talking about the base okay i feel like we do but when you're talking to like everyday people who have phones like i think it's very default to just say like i have the iphone 13 and that could mean anything from mini regular pro pro max yeah i think people don't really call phones by their name they kind of use the suffix as like uh an add-on it It's weird. It's like people, I'll talk to people and be like, oh, you got the iPhone 13? Yeah, I got the mini one.

So to them, they got an iPhone 13, but it's the mini one instead of the iPhone 13 mini. Or if they got the pro, they'll go, oh yeah, I got the iPhone 13. I got the pro one. So they're all kind of the same phone, just like one of them costs more and it's the pro one. It kind of makes sense. It's like a trim model on on a car like you don't go around and say like i got a a subaru impresa like exactly or something you just say you have it and then you might have the sport yeah i got a i had a toyota camry xle back in the day it was very confusing too many letters i'm looking at them now and it's yeah very confusing but um a little bit all better than galaxy s whatever you know like the s21 the

majority of like relatives and stuff that i ask what phones they're have they're like i have samsung because they just have completely given up on trying to remember yeah they just want the model number and then the subtext so to them it's the samsung galaxy but there's a thousand subtexts of the samsung galaxy oh did you get the S21 fan edition? Or, oh, you got the S21? Or the S21 Plus? Or is that the S21 Ultra? Which Galaxy are you talking about?

Like, there's a million of them. I feel like we're the opposite is where it's like, what phone do you have? It's like, oh, the S21. You skip Samsung Galaxy. I know exactly which phone. You just type the end of it, yeah. Yeah, that's kind of the way we are in this world.

But yeah, so I think I'm very close. Adam, I know, what did you order? Pro or 6? You ordered it, right? Regular 6. Regular 6. See, I'm on there. Regular.

The regular 6. But it feels like I don't want to order a new phone and be like, yeah, I got the regular. It just doesn't feel as fun. Yeah, the Pixel 6. Oh, wait, what color did you get? Black. Black.

Black. I think that's the move. No green? No, I didn't like the the only special colors i liked were on the pro and when i decided to get the six are you saying banana oh no you like the white the white looks pretty good yeah i think black on black with the aluminum sides all matte black that's that's a nice murdered out pixel six i like that it looks good i i kind of dig the green even though i dig like the more olive green

of some other phones that have been doing it recently. The thing is, I'm a full case person at this point. I kind of hate to admit. Does that mean, is that what like being old in the tech world is? Is weird using a case? No, we are in a very isolated, weird world where no one uses cases.

But outside of this studio, everyone uses cases. Oh, That I know but in this world of people listening to the podcast right now like am I getting shunned? Can you tell I'm over 30 because I use a case? No I even polled on Twitter do you use a case on your phone and it was way higher than I expected

even among our audience it's higher than I expected which is funny because it was lower than I expected it was like 70 75 25 right? I expected. Oh. It was like 70, 75, 25, right? 75, 25, yeah. I expected it to be, even in our tech-based audience, like 90, 10. Because in the real world, I think it's like 95, 5. Yeah, same.

Actually, my friend, I don't know if you know Chris, but we went rock climbing outside and he's no case and his phone is just like sitting on the rocks. Rock climbing with no case? Well, I mean, he doesn't keep it in his pocket when he's climbing, but when he's putting it down, it's not in a bag, it's just on. Face down on a boulder?

Yeah, and I'll like move it out of the way. I'll pick it up to sit there and then I'll be like, I won't put this down and I just hold it on my lap then because I'm too scared of breaking his phone. Dude, I'll put my phone face down on my own desk next to my bed and be like afraid to like drag it because I might get a thing of sand or something. Yeah yeah i know my case i've just i'm full blown in the world of like i will just toss my phone on the ground when i'm out climbing or when i'm like at home doing work and stuff like

that because it has a case on it well the cases for these phones now i think the like obvious thing to do is like cancel the camera bump so the camera the camera visor or they're calling it a camera bar whatever you want to call it i like that camera bar is nice camera mountain range yeah i mean it's everything it's huge it's the whole width of the phone but like that's nice because now it doesn't rock from side to side when you're when you're typing with it face down or face up which is nice but uh yeah now you get a case and the case basically like no-brainer just just go the depth of the camera bar across the whole back so now you get a case and the case basically like no-brainer just just go the depth of the camera bar across the whole back so now you have like a flat back i think that's fine

can i say for this is a little off topic i should have said in the beginning but for anyone who has seen the renders of these and and like videos of these um and you're buying one the camera bar is not as off the phone as you think when i first saw it it looked like it was it looked like you could like pinch it up from that like with your finger protruding yeah but the phone itself is still thick it is a thick phone it is a brick and then you add that on top and it almost feels like the full thickness that i originally thought except that less of it's the bump more of it is the phone, where previously I just thought it was a thinner phone

with a gigantic bump bar, whatever you want to call it. I think this is so exciting because the Pixel cameras have always been so good. And this design language screams, we care about this camera a lot. Like we went deep, we put in extra space. There's a lot of hardware here big camera thing and they focused on on the camera for a while in that event yeah a lot of cool stuff in there a lot

of cool features like software features they did a faking long and short exposures we didn't talk about magic eraser magic eraser is pretty cool okay wait so i'll do the exposure stuff real quick so if you take a picture of a moving subject with the right shutter speed with a nice camera, you get a blurred background, but a sharp focused object, which is kind of cool. It's like, you have to get good at it, but like you take a picture of a car passing by or something, you can nail that in sports.

You can fake that on the pixel by holding it still. And as the object passes in front of you, snap a picture in a special mode, and it will use ai and software to go oh the object's moving this way let's blur the background this way and you look like you got that cool sliding shot yeah and i think another example is like it'll do more than just the background because they showed someone on like a bike the wheels on the bike yeah or like somebody next to a waterfall where the water had the like long exposure flowing that's the other one people like standing there yeah you can fake a long exposure too if you look at like a waterfall

or light streaks by cars driving by at night or something if that does well i'm pretty excited about that because i'm really excited to get ultra wide because i like taking pictures and i really like taking pictures when i'm hiking and everything so getting to add this cool like little water feature like could take some really sweet pictures but But what about Magic Eraser though? Okay. I mean, my first thought was, I still don't remember what they called it, but the chain link fence from like 2016 at Google I.O., which was like Google Photos is now going to erase these things in the middle of your picture. And it just showed this like really cool gif where I remember at I.O. the oohs and aahs that came out of it

were like one of the biggest parts of the event and it was like a kid playing baseball with a chain like fence in between it and it just erased it so this immediately reminded me of that thing that they just never talked about again it's off in the land of misfit toys with the Bixby speaker

and the what is the air power the charger oh air power air power yeah um so essentially what it seems like is if there's one of the examples they did was amazing stuff in your background it seems like um it will content auto fill essentially content aware fill yeah yeah so if there's something over your shoulder or in the background of a photo and it has a somewhat clean enough background or repeatable enough background that it can identify that thing, you open the Google Photos app, you go into this magic eraser tool and it automatically finds and highlights that thing.

And if you don't want it there anymore, you tap it and it disappears and it fills in the background for you. Seems really cool. it fills in the background for you yes seems really cool uh i know from my experience with content aware fill and other tools that it's highly dependent on the ability to reproduce the background well and of course we have tensor now we have google smarts we have ai we have all these you know cool tools we've talked about luminar ai before just like hey replace the sky and just knows what the sky is so we've seen some really cool smart photo tools. I'm very curious how well this one will work in the real world case of like,

I have a photo bomber over my shoulder in New York City. Will it erase it, but like put a taxi where he was or what's gonna, what's it gonna do? Yeah, that's what's weird is like, Luminar AI is replacing it with something. This is supposed to be content aware, filling it, so it's supposed to be what's in the background. So if you have a very busy background, I cannot see it having a good time doing that. Um, I think it'll be

really awesome for people if there's like something very minute in the background. Yeah. I know exactly how I can make this work well. Like just because of how I've seen it work, especially in Photoshop and the new After Effects tool. Like if you give it grass and you just put a ball in the grass behind you or a person with just sky behind him, that contrast, it'll be able to fill that in no problem. The problem will come if you're on a sidewalk and that person behind you's feet are on the sidewalk but their legs are over the pavement,

their torso's over a car and their head's in the sky. And half a fire hydrant next to them and all this other weird stuff. That is going to be a mess in the background. But I think it'll be really great for just Instagram where it's a smaller photo and maybe there's just one person in the background. You might not notice it that much after you touch it up.

But what I did notice is they were all background pictures it was fixing. So depending on how well that does, I think the chain link fences are still going to be blocking all of our shots. Right. I will celebrate the day when Google finally can do that. I talked to Google about this and they suggested that this was instead of the chain link fence feature.

So they said, you know how we would get rid of the, you know, the chain link fence example? Did they actually say that? They brought the chain link fence up and they said, well, we found that people actually like to take things out of the background so to me chain link fence is never happening i also don't know anyone who takes that picture with the chain link fence in the front you just go a little bit forward you can't though be google and say you don't need an ultra wide you need a telephoto because you take pictures of your kids playing sports and then say i'm not going to take a picture behind the batting cage at my kids' baseball game. Yeah. I guess I was picturing you like three feet behind the fence, taking it

through it. No, you're 10 feet behind the fence with the telephoto. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's fair. Well, maybe they'll keep working on it. I don't want, I'm not crossing my fingers anymore, but I think we'll officially put it in the graveyard with air power. With products that were announced and then silently sort of disposed of. Yeah, that's the Pixel, man. The reviews are coming up. I think the prices are the most interesting part of the Pixel because they're so competitive, but stay tuned for those reviews and we will have them probably next week.

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It was fireworks the whole time. Straight heat from top to bottom. No, that's sarcasm, too. This was a small one. So it was Samsung Unpacked 2 for this year. It was very small. Like, they didn't even have briefings or anything for it. Not really any new products.

It's just new updates to some stuff. The one I found interesting was Z Flip 3 has some new colors. Or it's not. Well, not new colors. It's new customization of mixing and matching colors. So you can have like, now you can have a yellow top half and a blue bottom half or a red top half and a yellow bottom half, whatever.

Which is cool. It's like some level of customization. Every time I see this stuff, I think back to Moto Maker and how dope Moto Maker was. Hayato specifically mentioned that because they said, we've never offered this kind of customization before. And Hayato was like, did they say we or we've never seen? Because Motorola would like to have a word with you.

No, it's them having. Yeah, classic line of like, this is the most we've ever offered. seen because Motorola would like to have a word with you. No, it's them having the accent. Classic line of like, this is the most we've ever offered. No, yeah. Moto Maker was sick. It was like, you could pick wood, you could pick

the button colors, you could pick like all this other stuff. This was, yeah, just mix and match colors basically. Yeah. But that's cool.

I like that. It's 100 extra bucks to do that though. I don't think that's that unreasonable if you really want to mix and match colors, then yeah. Sure. I will also say, and I kind of missed it,

but I think Keiato saw it also. He said the box, the Z on the box, reflects the color choices that you make, which is kind of cool. That's a nice touch. Yeah, nice touch. If you're spending 100 extra bucks, they go the extra mile for it, I guess.

That is cool. There's some other little things. There's some watch updates. Yeah, and they also had a special edition. I forget the designer. Yeah, they collabed with another designer. I won't try to pronounce it because I'll mess it up. Yeah, there's a watch band and earbuds.

Exactly. And then the Watch 4 series got four new watch faces. They also now have a gesture control where you can knock, knock for a quick launch of a feature, which is pretty sweet. And there's fall detection now. So neat.

SOS notifications if you fall from the Watch Series 4. That's about it really for Unpacked 2. Not a whole ton, but we did also have two other things this week because it's a lot. We have Surface Duo duo 2 which is um how do i describe it well we've brought it in here i haven't like like you said we've been super busy

you did a lot of this video and you've been checking it out um we've had it for like two days i think by the time we're recording this um i haven't really gotten to see it yet so this is my first time yeah seeing it so as you open it up, we saw the Surface Duo 1. I'm really interested in how people are going to receive this and try to understand this. But Surface Duo 1 was really sweet hardware, but then a really rough experience otherwise. Buggy software, poor cameras, bad battery life.

There was not a whole lot else going for it it was a cool idea because wow a dual screen passport slim thing in your pocket seems really cool so this is the second one right they've made a bunch of improvements this is what i say in the video they've made a bunch of objectively great improvements to it things we asked for things we asked for even and have realized in the process that it's now actually worse to use which is really strange it's i i don't really see too many examples of this which makes me like step back and like contemplate the entire form factor as a whole so that's what i tried to go into in this video but you're holding it now do you have any uh i'll do my super quick okay one minute thoughts on it um the curved screen i do have

to say like does make it feel like a little little less of a bezel in the middle but like you know we i think we all kind of assumed in this form factor the bezel in the the crete i don't want to call it a crease but you know the it's two screens yeah it's two screens. So you kind of expected that. They made the bezels on the outside smaller, but they're still huge. So I give them credit for that. The black color at first looked nice seeing both of them. I like white better. Now here's my biggest issue.

I know everyone's going to say this. We wanted better cameras. It doesn't fold flat, which I don't even have the biggest issue with. And now I'm going to do this on video and try to explain it on audio. If you hold the bottom, because the camera bump on the top, it's in like a wedge shape, it snaps into the camera fine, which feels really nice, and that's one thing that the Surface has done really well. But if you're holding the bottom of the phone when it's like this,

any pressure, you're squeezing it, and the whole phone is flexing and like that just doesn't feel good and doesn't, it feels like something's going to break. It's still very thin. I feel like even just squeezing it and looking at it, it feels like it's now bowed in

a little bit. Yeah, I never, oh, there's a flashlight on? Apparently. Oh, nice.

Okay. Cool. Don't know how I did that. Okay. That was my fault. Yeah. yeah i got it it still feels like a great piece of hardware like it's too wide it's too wide make it thinner a lot of thoughts on this right okay so the new screen is uh same aspect ratio but it's a little bigger it's 8. inches inside, and it's a 90 hertz brighter display. I like that it's 90 hertz. Honestly, the software is still so buggy

that it is one of the stutteriest devices I've used. And I didn't even get to the price, which I will eventually, but for this price, it should not stutter this much. So that's unfortunate. But the camera on the back, it's way better. And that's, I guess, a pretty low bar to clear because the previous camera on the Surface Duo was the front-facing camera yeah it was the webcam and not a front-facing camera they seem to

care about that much yeah so if you hand it to me so before you would have to uh you still have a selfie camera but you have to flip it all the way around to open it flip it around and then use the selfie camera and take photos of things from the screen on the other side fine it worked I don't think that was the worst idea in the world back then. It just felt like the selfie camera sucked so bad. It was bad, right. So this time you have these triple cameras on the back, a standard, an ultra wide, and a 2X telephoto, which is not amazing, but you know what?

It's real cameras now. Yeah. In order to take your photos, you have to open it. And if you fold it all the way around again, you're blocking the camera. So now you have to open it all the way out to take your photos you have to open it and if you fold it all the way around again you're blocking the camera so now you have to open it all the way out to take photos like this which is it's minor but it's a little annoying and

it's just this big thing and you take photos and it's got this UI where you take photos on the top and then it shows up at the bottom and it's well laid out but it's just a strange design if you're listening right now and don't have video what he's saying is before you would fold it all the way so both screens are facing out and is flat and you know what essentially is the smallest version of the

phone to take a picture because that's how we all take pictures with our phones yeah now because of folding in on itself you block the new cameras the phone has to be all of the way open, which you look like the person taking a picture with an iPad now. Yes. And you never want to look like that person. It's interesting. I promise you. Can I also say,

is that camera bump bigger than the Pixel camera bump? Thicker, you know, like further off of the phone? I think so. It is a little thicker because it is a wedge shape. The funny thing about the wedge shape is It is a little thicker because it is a wedge shape. The funny thing about the wedge shape

is it is the wedge shape because it is matching when you pivot it around and click it into place. Pivoting it around and clicking it into place feels nice until you realize

that there is nothing wedging now the bottom, like I said, and if you pinch that, the whole phone flexes. Yeah, and now just when you use it one-handed like this, it's open a little bit and that's a little flexes yeah and now just when you use it one-handed like this um

it's open a little bit and that's a little bit weird to hold now it's like it's just it's way thicker it's already weird to hold because it's way too thick so it's so anyway i get you know into this in the video and i'm like okay they added the cameras the cameras are are objectively better but now worse to use. Is that a win? A little bit, but also a little bit of a loss. And there's also like these weird quirks about the software where like, I still have a lot of touch responsiveness issues,

which is strange in this software. It's Android, but it's, you know, it's dual screens and I'm trying to span apps across the screens. And the one weirdest part is if you span an app across both screens, you literally lose the text that's in the middle of the screen. Like a full, like probably 20 pixels are like bent over into the middle. Watch the video so you can see it on camera. It is not a good idea to read this like a normal book where text goes across.

I guess a normal book app. Well guess a normal normal book they'll do two pages without pages on either side but if you're trying to web browse you you no longer want to bring up an article full screen because you're cutting off all the text in the middle yeah i guess you would want you would want to spin it and do it vertically and then you can at least scroll the line past it exactly one thing i thought of was they don't market this as a gaming phone but at any point when you have something that is a bigger screen, you want to hype up gaming. They actually do a little bit. They kind of do, not like ROG phone levels or Legion.

I have Game Pass on here. Well, so the thing is I kind of get the idea of folding it up and you have a controller on the bottom and the screen on top, but you're not really getting more screen real estate in the games there. So if you wanted to play a game at full screen, you can, but if you wanted to play any type of shooter like pub g or cod mobile or something like that you can't full screen because your crosshair will be in the middle and the literal entire purpose of playing the game is to shoot people and now you can't even so that's yeah interesting yeah so the

difference between something like this and a galaxy fold would be you still have all the screen in the middle but dual screens dual screens was like it was an interesting productivity idea because i between something like this and a Galaxy Fold would be you still have all the screen in the middle. But dual screens was like, it was an interesting productivity idea because I really like some of the versions of using this device where I have my email on one side and a web browser on the other side and I'm writing things in the email

based on what I'm reading on the other side in the web browser. And you can still do that on the folding screen devices, but it's just such a cognitive thing to have two screens and to have that separation there by a real bezel. So that's why I was into the idea. But I think genuinely, there's almost no reason to get a device like this.

It's hard because they did what we asked them to. They even did, like, I think the little curved screen to get notifications while it's closed is a brilliant idea. I think that was a really smart move, but like you said, it's just, I don't know. And with the full cameras, they make this seem like last year they kind of had this thing where is this your dedicated phone or is this kind of like a companion device kind of thing, like a work quote unquote phone or whatever. But this makes it feel like it's a real thing that it wants to replace your phone.

And I can't see many people doing that unfortunately yeah it's tough still feels great still a great piece of hardware i'll invite you guys in the comments to again leave your thoughts because i asked for this in the main video but we'll also see some stuff here over on waveform like do you think this form factor can work can it have any real advantage over the other stuff where you have an outside screen because that's the thing about all the other folding phones is you can take them out your pocket use it for a second check your notifications without opening it put it back they have varying levels of that functionality some of them you can take a quick selfie some of them you can dismiss

notifications or even reply with your voice some of them have a whole screen on the like a whole like a whole phone like the z-fold is basically a whole phone on the outside this one nothing you have to open it and that's the difference let's i'm curious how about this i mean obviously fix all the software bugs and stuff like that what if this was a little bit less wide and did have a front screen so now you can use it normally front screen you can take pictures with the nicer camera on the back which we also i don't think we've tested the cameras yet on it because we haven't done the full review but we'll have to see a whole this will definitely be better than the old one we'll see how it stacks up to other phones yeah you can take regular pictures you can do your regular normal

stuff but i do still feel like it's not so much that it doesn't have like the full bending screen but the two screens like holding like a book is still really comfortable and if you are doing some basic browsing or especially reading like i could see people who are really into e-readers and stuff like that yeah this could be awesome like this is a comfortable way to hold the phone it is bringing a new form factor but the problem is it's making all the normal everyday use phone stuff so much harder yeah one thousand five hundred dollars no thanks yeah that's the that's the cherry on top of the banana cream pie is that a thing no probably not but that's the

cherry on top it cost a hundred bucks more than the last one which by the way was like selling for nine hundred dollars off or a thousand dollars off which is a pretty good sign that they're not selling very many um for whatever reasons obviously it didn't do very well but brand new 1500 bucks so it is what it is yeah i i i leave the comment section open to your thoughts on that one because that's one of the most like polarizing interesting things uh but one last thing for this week we had the rivian here yeah we had the Rivian R1T here in the flesh, the electric pickup truck from the California startup. Now, the whole crew's seen it now.

You sat in it. We've driven it around for a bit. I've made a full 20-minute video somehow. I didn't realize I had that much to say about this truck, but I did. And that was the most fun I've ever had driving a truck. And if you put a gun to my head right now and said Cybertruck or Rivian, i would honestly pick the rivian is sick

i mean so fun i still think way too many people are excited for cyber truck and don't know what they're getting themselves into as cool as cyber truck is and for the people that it's made for it will be great that is not a car a truck for the average person yeah like uh yeah it's massive f-150 lightning even very massive gmc makes that hummer obviously the hummer is massive so the number one thing the rivian has going for it is it's a compact pickup truck it's like a four and a half foot bed it's it's a very maneuverable truck relative to other trucks of course yeah but i oh man it's fun it's so fun you're not buying it if you are like a truck, truck person, if that makes sense. No, no, no.

Like I do like that their marketing is this is more of like an adventure thing. Yeah. The truck bed is a benefit. Yeah. This is not a work truck. No, no, no. Yeah. It's a, it's a, it's an adventure vehicle is what they call it basically.

So, wow. I don't know if we even have enough time to go into all the details about it. Let's just go quick. Yeah. Definitely watch the video. It's fun. But like they have every little thing geared towards adventure from the colors. We tested the blue one, but there's some other kind of adventure-y colors, I think.

And on that, they do these like yellow accent with their logo and the stuff on the side. So, I like the blue and I love the blue with the yellow accent. The yellow calipers, the yellow brakes. Yeah. Everything looks so good. So the design is kind of like this retro future thing. And I included this tweet in the video and I think it's perfect.

Someone said, it looks like this truck is like 50 years old and brand new at the same time. Cause it has this weird, like, like Volkswagen bus type shape, but it also is a huge light bar and LEDs and like a new truck look. It's electric.

So it's very, it's interesting. It grew on me. I didn't love it at first, but it grew on me. It grew on me also. It's still not. I don't think it's a sexy truck or anything. I like aggressive.

I like aggressive looking things and not like crazy overly aggressive like Lamborghini stuff like that. Cybertruck? U like stuff like yours i'm not a not a cyber truck there um so from the side profile absolutely love it it looks so good the light bar kind of like comes over to the side so you can kind of see it in the front and that gives it that kind of like harder edge meaner look to it while still being like you know not insanely boxy and everything but the front looks like it's like wearing glasses like a grandma so that yeah that's the only thing and i like it i'm not saying i don't like it i still i still like the design of it it just has this kind

of like i don't know if tacky's the right word but it looks like it's trying to be an outlet and to me it's like we're from the future we're electrical plug me in and i don't know it's like that thinking of it all like that i don't love it but besides that little gripe i love this the bar the bar on the front yeah i love this the bar on the front is leds and when you plug it into charge it lights up green and Okay, but still not as cool as the Hummer that the lights ticked up like a battery. That was the coolest. But that is still very cool.

I could have sworn somewhere, I thought I saw that the Rivian was going to do like a progress bar green. Oh, like across the front. Yeah, maybe that was a concept or something, but that would have been cool, but it just pulsed, which is whatever. It's pulsing and it's sitting there green.

I've never gotten more looks and questions about anything I've driven ever. I've driven the 720S daily. I've driven it around regular streets. I've driven the NSX. I've driven, obviously, other Teslas. The Cybertruck's going to get the same thing, but I drove this to go get dinner. I drove this around my home neighborhood. My neighbor has a truck.

Immediately, he was like, what is that? people just pointing from their cars and i can see them like what is that it's got to be the lights but it's also just the whole like electric truck the lights and just like the sportier i know there are sportier colors on trucks but like you don't see it as often you see so many black silver white trucks And having this like blue, yellow accent truck. It stood out. It definitely stood out. The specs are pretty simple. 314 miles of range. You're going to do, you know,

public charging and home charging for now. They're building out as of right now, they're starting to build out the Rivian Adventure Network, which I would describe as like, kind of like the Tesla Supercharger Network, but for Rivians. Oh, really? Yeah.

I assumed it was more like Ford passwords, like we're using other things and you're getting like information based on a different infrastructure. Yeah. So they're building their own. They're building their own charging infrastructure. Is it, what is it, Chadmo or CCS?

I think it's CCS. CCS? I think it's CCS. And correct me if I'm wrong, but yeah, it'll be just four rivians it'll plug into all the info will be in the app and everything it'll be like their own first party well integrated network and it's the adventure network so it'll be in a lot of places not like tesla's where they're along the like road trip stuff but they're more in like adventurey places

maybe campsites maybe a lot of those uh stops on the way to campsites or popular camp locations so that's kind of a neat like version. I'll be interested to see how that happens. If it is like something where you're using, you know, Electrify America most of the time and they're giving you some extra, you know, like out in the wilderness kind of stuff. But then you also have to think the super adventure things

are really out in the wilderness where like, I mean. Like far from a charge. I highly doubt they're going to get in any national parks or anything. I think they said one or two. Yeah. I mean, like I could see like Yosemite at like the main like valley lodge area

or something like that. But most of these campsites, like you're not getting cell signal out there. You're, you're barely getting running water and all the bathrooms in there like to now pop up the, be a startup and pop up these chargers

seems a little tough, but I guess there's rv campers and stuff in a lot of those places that they'll give you electric too but we'll see how that does we'll see it's brand new none of them exist yet we're just getting that started but that's the idea but i think the 314 miles of range also is the important spec that's pretty good and they have something called like a max package where it looks like in the future 400 miles yeah they're they're offering a ten thousand dollar upgrade for 400 plus miles but that's not shipping yet i'll believe it when i see it i don't know when that's going to come out that would be oh my that sounds great

10 grand for an extra 100 miles sounds awesome i mean i'm already looking at this as a very expensive truck that it is yeah um so like in my my fantasy world where i'm getting this yeah of course i'm gonna spend extra 10 grand it starts at like 70 fyi so it's expensive it's an expensive it's a pricey truck but i'll also toss in quad motors torque vectoring 0 to 60 in three seconds flat jesus christ this truck is fast it's wild it's hilarious that a truck can be that fast and i don't want to describe what i did on the highway in too much detail, but it shouldn't be able to do what it does on the highway. It's awesome.

The whole EV truck thing, we're now at the point where a lot of people have experienced electric launch in a car, but the truck world is just going to be confused. That's what's so weird about it. I did a launch. Launch control. Yeah, yeah yeah it's a pickup truck there are people who mod trucks that this does happen please comments we understand that this can happen in a truck my grandfather raced pickup trucks yeah it is just not a common thing though and we all can agree with that that it's just going to be really weird when you pull

to a light when somebody's like modded lancer or like sti or something and you just pull off in the truck torch them in a like a pickup truck it'll be hilarious and silently too it's not like the old like my grandfather drag raced pickup trucks and actually he drag raced an old f-150 lightning i remember oh yeah which is kind of awesome it was the performance version but that's like a loud obvious thing that's happening where this would just be like, like you just take off and it's just like. So what was kind of interesting though

is because it was on the off-road tires, which I do think they said get less range, obviously, but. Yeah, 10 to 15% less. Road noise on that, it's like, it almost feels like you do have some noise. Obviously not like combustion engine noise, but there was a lot of road noise when we had the windows open

and you were really hitting it. Yeah, you can hear it. Yeah, but overall, this truck, like with the gear tunnel, it has like lights in the back. It has like its own cover. I forget what they called it. A tonneau. Yeah, something like that.

It just had the Bluetooth speaker, the flashlight in the side, just like the extra space under the seats the front trunk was good i still like the f-150 front trunk better because it lowers it down a little bit and you can kind of like sit on it um but like air compressor air compressor yeah but for me as somebody who flashlight yeah bluetooth speaker yeah it's um like for me as somebody who kind of thought about the F-150, realized it's just too big as a commuting, this feels like kind of now that in between of like, I'm kind of on the fence in the commuting aspect of like a crossover,

but like kind of want the bed. Right. Like a truck bed would be awesome. That could commute and be fine. I still wouldn't drive in like the city, for like my 50 minute commute yeah i i'm i absolutely love the rivian it's totally converted i found it um i know the city question is obviously mostly a parking question but i found it very maneuverable because of the torque vectoring it had a pretty tight turning radius like i never had any problems parking it i don't drive a truck very much i

was very impressed by that but um parking would still be i mean that's just yeah that's that's the reality of the city um i think the gear tunnel is the coolest smartest thing that they could have done because it leans directly into the adventure stuff which is the rivian stuff um but it's also just like extra storage and a cool ev thing and just like for you and i we've both played ultimate my new hobby has the same thing where it's just like we play a sport where we have another pair of shoes cleats climbing shoes they smell miserable and you don't want to put in storage yeah so it's literally sealed storage where i don't have to accidentally forget them in my trunk and then gag as i get into the car the next day sounds fantastic yeah so this is uh and you can get a camp kitchen attached to it you can attach like weight to it do we know if those are available and now I think I'm kind of thinking

this because Tesla's been our main EV thing and Tesla really likes to sell you right off the bat and not give you options later camp stovestove you can get like later. $5,000 option. I haven't seen it delivered yet, but you can add it in the configurator. Awesome. Yeah. So it's really cool. $5,000 is a lot of money,

but the package it comes with, like you should go read the package. It has the stove, it has like the little sink and the water container, but it also comes with, Adam, what's the company of all the? Snowpeak. Never heard of the company before,

but a bunch of really really nice I'm talking like 50 to 100 dollar mugs and like camp cups oh yeah like cutlery yeah really really nice uh this truck is fun I would love it I could totally see myself in the next couple years possibly picking it up y'all watch the video it's 20 minutes long we took it off-roading a little bit barely it's an air quotes we took it off of a road air quotes it's off of a road okay I don't we had two we had a day and a half with it but like most fun i've ever had in a truck i'm a huge fan now i can't wait for that charging network to build out so that's the rivian that's been quite a week quite a week who knows how long this episode is probably

gonna go crash like the minute we finish no i'm gonna go directly on a plane to go play frisbee it's gonna be good but uh that's been it for a week. Whatever this is of Techtober, we'll be back next week as we usually are. But definitely stay tuned for those reviews we talked about and for additional videos because they never stop.

It's that time of year. Either way, thanks for watching. Catch you all in the next one. Peace. Waveform was produced by Adam Molina. We are partnered with Vox Media and our intro outro music was created by adam molina we are partnered with vox media and our intro outro music was created by vane sil