Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Bill Gate's Porsche Taycan & Folding Phone Controversies

Episode Date: February 21, 2020

In this week's episode, we recap our recent interview with Bill Gates where he launched his annual Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Annual Letter. During the interview, he decided to let us know he now owns a Porsche Taycan! Next, we cover Samsung's big week releasing four phones, including the launch of their new folding phone, the Galaxy Z Flip. Along with Motorola's Razr, it has continued the tradition of being a little less than ideal for both reviewers and consumers. Lastly, we wrap it all up with our regularly-occurring Q&A from Twitter. Links: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ shop.mkbhd.com Bill Gates Interview: https://bit.ly/3bXBbPl JerryRigEverything Z Flip: https://bit.ly/2V749GE Input Razr: https://bit.ly/2ukJnbE Legalzoom Promo Code: BROWNLEE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're your hosts, I'm Marques Brownlee. And I'm Andrew Manganielli. And we got a lot of stuff going on. There's been some quiet weeks, there's been some busy weeks. This is one of the busy ones, I'd say. Yeah, this is when we said February's gonna run, we started running. It started to run. So last week we spent the week in San Francisco for Samsung's Unpacked event and we saw a bunch of new Samsung phones there. We saw the folding phone, the Galaxy

Z Flip. We saw the S20, S20 Plus, S20 Ultra. And we also had the Bill Gates interview go up and there's just a whole lot of other stuff in between. Mobile World Congress got canceled. There's a lot happening. So why don't we just go ahead and start off with the past little bit of content and then talk about all the stuff that's happened. Yeah, let's do it. I think it's funny also in terms of the past content. We went out to San Francisco for Samsung, and we were talking about there are way more people we know out here

than at like CES to us is all the tech, but it's also like we get to see everybody, and that's dwindled. And then we go to Samsung, and literally every single like we get to see everybody and that's dwindled and then we go to samsung and like literally every single youtuber we wanted to see was out there it's for sure true i've met a lot of people for the first time the first time i ever met another tech youtuber was when i met austin at a samsung event and was that in new york it was in new york is that that picture of you guys that is that old picture yeah that is that's and i think there was lamar wilson and ryan bates and maybe one or two other people but that's the first time i ever met tech people and

i would say this year i saw more tech friends in that one day of the samsung event than i did at all of ces this year yeah for sure it's definitely becoming where pretty much everyone goes and maybe your sub box was a reflection of that. Cause Hey, there's about 60 videos that all drop at the same time when Samsung has a new phone, but I don't hate that strategy. Good job, Samsung.

Um, but I'm going to go back a little bit further. We can start with the Bill Gates interview because we shot that in January. Uh, we shot, we went out and shot with him, which was, uh,

so he does his annual letter that we talk about for the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. We went out and we talked to him a little bit more tech a little more talking about swinging for the fences in 2020 uh actually one of the funny things that came up i thought it was a fun little interview we've we've gotten more comfortable just chatting with him and he mentioned at one point that he got a porsche tycan and i saw your face light up my eyes lit up when he said that i was like oh we got to talk about this and I didn't really have that I didn't want to go too deep on it because

we were covering a broad amount of subjects so it's not like an electric car video or anything like that but I was like yeah we electric cars are pretty solid now like you're driving one that's pretty sweet it's it was his first EV and I think my follow-up question was something about like yeah why don't we all just go EV once the price gets low enough? And I think his answer was something along the lines of, well, you know, the range isn't not, it's not quite matching gas cars. It's still range anxiety. It's a thing. And that's perfectly fine to say. I mean, not everyone's near a charger, but some people watched that and got like really upset that he didn't mention Tesla again. And

he's given all the props in the world to Tesla. Every time we bring it up, he brings up Tesla voluntarily. Because he got a Taycan, people felt the need to tweet at Elon and Elon eventually responded and now there's articles out about how Elon and Bill Gates have beef

and I think we should just relax on that. Yeah, it really sucks going and making a fun video and then having it get turned into like some fake beef i mean it's still fun yeah it's a fun video but like the headlines i want to maybe i still have it pulled up there is a headline literally uh oh it's not in my inbox anymore but about just how like elon musk took swipes at bill gates like that's not what's happening, guys. It's just somebody tweeted at him and he responded. Actually, I'll pull up the tweet right now. Someone tweeted,

I wonder why Bill Gates decided to go with a Taycan instead of a Tesla. This tweet has 355 replies because people are all talking about why didn't Bill Gates get a Tesla? For the record, I don't think you have to buy a product just because it's good.

I think you get what you like. And if Bill Gates bought a Taycan, that doesn't mean he doesn't like Teslas. You can still like Teslas. Anyway, and then they followed up with, I'm disappointed Bill mentioned range anxiety. You know, Teslas have plenty of range. Why didn't he get a Tesla? Elon, what do you think about this? Basically tagged Elon in the tweet.

Nice. And Elon just says, my conversations with Gates have been underwhelming to be honest and then he says can you jump over a chair though and Elon says true that was pretty impressive so that's basically that's basically all that happened so if you were wondering why you're seeing all sorts of Elon versus Bill in the news yeah you can pretty much skip it because that's all that happened is yeah no mad no boxing matches coming up soon no boxing not quite that kind of beef. Yeah. But I know. It was a fun video.

I'm glad we got to talk again. And I'm feeling like swinging for the fences in 2020. Yeah. I'm inspired. We'll link the interview in the show notes. Give it a listen. Turn on at work or something. It's super interesting.

And it's always fun to just see what they have up their sleeves and what they're working on every year. Because the foundation is incredible. And just listening to it makes you feel like you want to go out and do something yeah another nugget of that is i put the date of when we shot that this is january 23rd that we shot that in there uh and we talked about inboxes and email for a second where he was just starting to get email about the coronavirus i think he said like that morning that morning yeah so that was like fresh on his mind and by the time that video went live i was able to edit in the fact that he'd already pledged $100 million towards fighting it. So the dude moves quick, not gonna lie. Very quick.

Moves quick, so good on him. stuff because we have a lot to talk about with samsung we're gonna we have some kind of fun news uh if you've been following us at all we i hate calling things merch i think um like i think youtube culture has just kind of ruined the word merch for me even though it's just a a shorter version of merchandise it's like it should it be but but then you have the paul brothers and buy that merch and everything and then you have h3 memeing it and everything. But anyways, we sell merchandise. We make a lot of shirts. We think we have some really cool designs. Seems like everybody's liked them.

We work with a company called Cotton Bureau who has been incredible. They're the ones responsible for the high quality shirts. Yeah, if you've enjoyed anything we've put out, it's because of Cotton Bureau. Marques and I have ideas every once in a while, but the reason any of that gets onto a shirt, gets designed, half of them jay has just designed himself he doesn't work there

anymore but like nate and jay have been incredible to work with it's been fun um and they've just been a great company but they do do things a little differently since they're smaller uh we've had i wouldn't call them complaints but i just don't think people understand how the website works exactly. Well, I can break it down. Whenever you see a YouTuber merch strategy, it's either you have a store, which everyone knows how a store works.

You just go to the store, buy what you want, hit buy and it ships to you the next day. Or they will do something like a limited edition campaign, which I have done in the past with companies like Teespring a long, long time ago where you have two weeks and we have a design and we're just going to let that go on sale for two weeks and once it's over, it's over. You can't get it again.

It's really exciting and really limited edition. And then once the two weeks is over, they know exactly how many to print. They print them, then they ship them. So what we've been doing with Cotton Bureau is that second method, not just because it's a little bit easier on inventory to not have to hold tons and tons of stuff, but just because that's what made sense at the time.

But I think the downside to that is now I can only share merch or share links to buy merch when we are doing an active campaign. So it's active or it's inactive. And most of the time it's inactive, which is kind of a bummer. So yeah, our news is basically that now we have a fully active, always online store for a couple of those items. For a couple of them, yeah. The Core Logo T and maybe one or two others.

If you go on, you can check on the site and see which ones we're offering. But they will be available all the time. So I can plug available all the time so i can plug them at any time i can wear them at any time yeah and you guys can get them at any time that's exactly the thing it's like a bummer if you're like oh t-shirts are available and then you come in after the campaign it's yeah like i said there was a bunch of pros to doing it that way but this is kind of us dipping our feet in the water of doing always available now um we're really excited for it there's a couple little differences with it most of them are pros there's one con which is we can't offer the hem tag oh yeah the bottom is gone so i'm sorry if like you're really

really dying for the hem tag on core logo or i think the other two we're offering is matte black everything and the waveform oh perfect the waveform yeah hey here we are so kind of like our our main staples of like the channel um so all of those will be available same kind of t-shirt super comfortable tri-blend the printing is a little different in the process but obviously we wanted to test that so they sent us a bunch of samples we've been wearing them i can't tell the difference yeah i literally can't tell the difference and then the benefit also is because of on demand you actually can get tank tops and long sleeve t-shirts and sweatshirts and stuff like that and it's always available you don't have to wait till the end of the campaign before it ships and everything so you should get it

quicker too um we'll still be doing campaigns for kind of our like one-off special designs we actually have there's still going to be limited edition campaigns like maybe maybe we'll try to bring more of them depending on how you know exciting or popular they are into the always on demand section yeah for sure right now we're still going to do what is it every other month yeah i think march is going to start our first campaign and then every other month after that um so yeah pretty much this is us testing the water. Let us know how you like it. Maybe some more things will come into Always On, but we just want to test everything. We think quality is important and we don't want to sacrifice any of that. So that's why we're doing this very slowly. And we honestly think Cotton Bureau is

the best way to do that. So we're pretty excited about that. All right. So I guess let's go right into Samsung because that's basically most of what's been happening in the tech world. I will inject a little bit of, hey, Mobile World Congress did get canceled. So a lot of the stuff that was going to be exciting in the mobile tech world in this upcoming weekend is now sort of scattered. this upcoming weekend, is now sort of scattered. And there's some embargoes that are confusingly being shuffled and some events that are no longer being held when they were supposed to. So that's still up in the air. It's funny that I didn't think about it in that sense.

I thought of it as like, oh, wow, Mobile World Congress is canceled. That kind of stinks. But how great is that for Samsung in this way? We just had this really big, pretty successful event, and now anything that was going to take any of our momentum is scrambling right now. Yeah, they already were ahead of Mobile World Congress on purpose. They're very aware of how big that show is.

But yeah, now there is a ton of events that were going to happen at Mobile World Congress and a bunch of embargoes, obviously, that were going to lift at that time that are now a little bit more confusing maybe there'll be some separate events by those companies we'll see but that is uh the sort of pre-news to yes samsung did come out and have their unpacked event in california sunny beautiful warm weather love that and it was in san francisco and they dropped one, two, three, four new phones.

Yeah. Which one do you want to talk about first? Let's just do a regular S20 because we have some fun stuff to talk about. Okay. The flip later. Yeah. All right. So S20.

So here's the four phones. Galaxy S20, Galaxy S20 Plus, Galaxy S20 Ultra, the big boy, and Galaxy Z Flip. So the Galaxy S20 and S20 Plus, those are, even though they skipped a bunch of numbers, they're basically the successor to the S10 and S10 Plus. And they're solid. I mean, they start at $999, and they are along the same lines, the same like one small phone, one big phone, although they're both pretty big.

Yeah. along the same lines, the same like one small phone, one big phone, although they're both pretty big. There's a triple camera on the S20 and a quad camera, basically an additional depth sensor on the S20 Plus. A couple other minor differences like the bigger battery, the millimeter wave 5G support. But again, it's mainly just you're getting a bigger phone in the S20 Plus and a smaller, air quotes, smaller phone in the S20 Plus and a smaller, air quotes, smaller phone in the S20. Yeah, I think it's also interesting. We talked about right around smartphone awards on how the S10 and the S10 Plus may have been our biggest snub, and it's because they come out this early.

And right now, we're in full-on Samsung hype, but by the end of the year, I don't know why, but seven months from now seems so long it's that and also it's because the note always comes out after and it's always what I still personally think of as Samsung's biggest best phone but right now that that might not actually be true because S20 Ultra is a gigantic it's's the biggest, it's bigger than any Note. So it's the biggest flagship they've ever made. And I can't imagine a Note being bigger than this this year. Yeah, so I think we should just talk about this,

the S20 Ultra, because I think it's the most interesting, even though the price tag is insane. Like this to me feels like this is Samsung's phone, Samsung's phone of the year. I'm sure something will happen with the Note, but this to me is pretty exciting. I'm kind of excited about this phone.

Not about the price tag, but I'm pretty excited about this phone. Well, so the price tag is probably where most people start. It's starting at $1,400, right? $1,400, but here, I'm gonna hand it to you. Actually, I don't think I've held this before. What do you think just holding it for the first time? It's a big phone.

That's like the number one thing. It's gigantic, and that camera bump is big. It's real. So the camera is the number one focus of all of the entire lineup, I think, S20, S20 Plus, and S20 Ultra, but also you're going to have that 120 hertz display on all of these too. Yes, it does knock it down to 1080p when it goes up to that. There's something they just you know

maybe forgot to mention in the they were never gonna they were never gonna mention that we were both looking at each other like are they gonna say it are they gonna say they're not they're probably not gonna know but you know how many people are actually gonna notice out the box by the way i unboxed it today the s20 ultra and i'm sure probably the others too came out the box at 1080p 60 hertz wait wait okay wait, wait, okay. I heard you say earlier that it was at 60 hertz. I missed that it was at 1080. Yeah, so as far as like out the box experience for people, it's going to feel, you know, similar to another, you know, previous Samsung phone, but it's going to have a 5000 milliamp hour battery. So, you know, big 6.9 inch

OLED display. It's a big, bright power sucking screen. But if it's only running at 1080, 60 Hertz, I have a feeling the battery life is being optimized at that state. But first thing I did was switch it to 120 Hertz, which is, you know, no longer lets me bump up to 1440p, but now we're really going to see what this battery is about. Cause that's my biggest question is, will it last yeah so so i was thinking like when we first heard this news about 120 hertz at 1080 i was wondering if what the 1440 would be at if it was 60 or not and then i think i asked you a question that i found really interesting your answer is would you rather have 1080 120 hertz or 1440, 90 hertz?

So you're both getting faster refresh rate with it, but then as somebody who I know is very into resolution, I feel like you're changing a little bit. I said, and I think I will still say, I would rather have 120 hertz, 1080, and that's because I don't really visually perceive that much of a difference between 1080 and 1440. Okay.

But to my eye, I do still feel and notice a 90 to 120 difference. And I don't think that's everybody. I'll say that. Like if you ask me 120 hertz 1080 or 60 hertz 4K, I would take 120 because that's much more noticeable to everyone um but yeah i i think the 90 to 120 difference is just barely enough for me to go yeah it feels better than 90. i just can't i've used the oneplus 7t pro for a couple couple months now actually and that's been 90 and that's been great but i could tell the difference so i'm pretty pumped about that. Honestly, the story with the S20 Ultra is

the numbers. And I think the review is going to be trying to decipher how many of these numbers matter. The number we've just talked about is 120 Hertz and 5,000 million powers. Those are two huge numbers. What do they look like? The other numbers are 108 megapixels and 100x zoom uh-huh uh and i guess another number would be 45 watt fast charging but that's i mean yeah that's pretty objective that's just going to charge faster but what do you think of these these cameras are you uh are you a zoom guy we've talked about previously how we would like to see better zooms in this yeah i wasn't talking about 100 times zooms i could tell you that um i do think the overall at the event they showed a lot of um like samples of stuff some weird they had some demos yeah it was like they were up over the bridge and they were zooming

in on things and yeah generally the consensus seemed to be that it looked really bad but i don't think people were giving it enough credit. This is a phone that's zooming in 100 times. Okay, here's my, because I know there's a lot of different reactions to 100X, here's my stance on it as of right now, and this is me on day one using it. And I think I tweeted this.

No one needs to use 100X all the time. The phone happens to be capable of going to 100x, but that just means it's going to be that much better at 20x and 30x. So yeah, while we're all going to rag on, what do you mean 100x? You don't need that. That's crazy. And I kind of agree, like, whatever.

You don't actually have to go to 100x. But that's like saying, why does this car have 1,000 horsepower if you never go above 60 miles an hour on the road? Well, you get to 60 that much faster, and it's going to be that much better in the range that you actually use it so you know people tweeting at me about like their kids concerts and and being in the back road trying to capture you know graduation or something like that all these these things will be better on a phone that has better zoom even if you're not going to a hundred yeah i i see it as like i do think there are maybe not people

who are going to use 100 all the time but i don't think zooms and regular phones right now that are only going five or ten times digital are good at all yeah so if you're getting that kind of quality out of 100x to me i never am fully zooming in on a phone unless it's like uh i want to prove to somebody this is what i saw kind of thing i'm not like i saw you know there was a fox like out in the woods or something and i want to show claire that i saw a fox in the woods so it's like what were you hoping uh i was hoping it'd be some creepy story about like oh no somebody across the airport that's that's oh yeah yeah okay let's use that let's say um will smith is across the airport and i don't want to come up to him and take a picture so i want to like be like claire look

will smith's at the airport to me that 100x is gonna let me prove that easier rather than like i'm never showing that like gonna frame that picture on my wall or something i don't care about the quality i just want to be like hey i was here and my phone in my pocket could show something that was that far away Yeah, and then on the other the flip side of it Like you said 20x on that which is still gonna be better than almost every other phone out there Yeah, it's gonna look way nicer because here's a here's a somewhat interesting potential downside Okay, so the s20 and s20 plus have the regular camera the the wide, and I believe it's a 3x zoom.

And then this S20 Ultra skips to 5x on the actual periscope lens, which means the typical range where I think most people just want to punch in to zoom on something, which is around 3x, is just going to be digital zoom on the main camera instead of an actual optical zoom. So once you get to 5x, then you're on the periscope lens and you're using that better quality again. But your quick little two to three, three and a half x zoom just in theory got a little bit worse. If it's just digital zoom, that's something to think about. It is to think about, but I'm trying to think of when I take pictures. I feel like I will never zoom in unless i really want to zoom in yeah like i said that's usually like i don't know maybe i'm thinking of this as the time i went went out to a national park with just my phone and

thinking of i was either zoomed all the way out or i was close enough to something where i didn't need to zoom or i was just so far away that the picture was just completely useless because it was just too even full zoomed in the thing I was still too far away so yeah I say this is someone who like pretty much never uses the zoom on any of my phones like we've had 2x and all these phones before and I pretty much never use it or I'll like take a photo at 2x and be like eh that's not as good and I'll take it at the main camera so I am not a photo at 2x and be like, eh, that's not as good, and then I'll take it at the main camera. So I am not a big zoomer, but yeah, these numbers are going to be interesting to play with

just to see how well they translate. Yeah, so I'm pretty pumped for zoom. You're not so much. Yeah, but you know, 100x, 108 megapixels, 5,000 milliamp hours, 12 to 16 gigs of RAM, 512 gigs of storage, 120 hertz, 1440p, blah, blah, blah, blah, numbers, numbers, numbers. This is a phone we got to test to use, and that's exactly what we're starting to do.

I also really like the color, the one that you have. What is it actually called? Cosmic Gray is the color. It looks like, it's really funny because we talked about this out in, I think it was LA or something a little while ago where there's this new like car color coming out with a lot of cars that it's not matte but it's definitely like more towards satin oh you're talking about like the nardo gray like the is that what titanium sort of toyota does it um i think jeep does it i forget who well i also want

to say chrysler maybe but either way it's just like it kind of looks flat, but it is glossy because it's... I've also seen wraps that color. Yeah. Yeah. This kind of has that like faded, almost satin looking gray, except that there's 8,000 fingerprints on it right now.

I think it's the best looking one though. I think it's a great color. Samsung goes a little too overboard for me on some colors, and I think this is probably one of my favorites yeah because that's super important in a 1400 phone well i mean if you're gonna if you're gonna spend that much on the phone you might show it off a little bit so yeah all right cool that's a fun rant on this yeah that's that's 20 ultra stay tuned for the full review because obviously that's going to be coming i didn't i unboxed it on instagram live instead of a youtube video but if you want to check that out going to be coming. I unboxed it on Instagram Live instead of a YouTube video, but if you want to check that out,

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See Uber app for details. Okay, welcome back. We're going to talk flippy floppies. We're talking flipping, folding phones. So we had the last phone, actually technically the first phone Samsung showed off at their Unpacked event, Samsung Galaxy Z Flip. And naturally, we're all comparing it to the Moto Razr that came out just a little bit before it. Very similar times. But there are some other things to talk about with

the Z Flip just because they've made a bunch of different design decisions and choices with this phone that I think in almost every single way make it a better phone than the razor but there's still a big reason why i prefer the razor really um not entirely as a phone but just one big thing about it so i guess we could go into like the whole folding foam thing in general okay so just to talk about the phone it's uh it's a clamshell design it's a vertical folding phone uh it has a very nice satisfying, you know, that's, I mean, it doesn't slam shut the way the original folding phones or flip phones did back in the day. But it does have a little bit more hinge weight,

so you can open it up and place it down halfway. There's some interesting software features to take advantage of that. The fingerprint reader is on the side instead of the chin. some interesting software features to take advantage of that. The fingerprint reader is on the side instead of the chin. And it's overall a more clean design. Samsung insists they're using folding glass under the screen. And I've talked about that a bit in my Z Flip video, but as we all know, the controversy around like,

what difference does that make if it's still a plastic screen protector? That's hot on people's minds right now. I honestly, I feel the difference because it's it's more firm and doesn't move when i press it but there still is a crease and there still is the possibility of damaging it if you like cut a nail in it or something so it's not it's not perfect obviously um but it is i think the most polished significantly better folding phone the the hinge itself is like zero gap there There's apparently brushes on each side.

Yeah, the brushes on the inside seemed like a really good idea. That's going to keep debris out, which is obviously something they learned from the original Galaxy Fold. Yeah, for sure. And yeah, the cameras are now flagship quality. I've been testing them.

They look like S10 photos from the main camera. I was impressed with the low light actually. So a lot of good things about it. It happens to be the biggest fingerprint magnet in a long time. It's a mirror purple color but overall really nice. But as I've mentioned in my video it has this

tiny one inch OLED screen on the front. Technically it lets you see your notifications and that's about it. It doesn't really let you interact with anything. But the Razr that has all kinds of other compromises and all kinds of other problems with the form factor and the creaky hinge and the plastic screen

and the durability issues, it has a much bigger outside screen and lets you unlock and swipe through, read your notifications, and actually interact with them in a way that Samsung's doesn't. And I found that this actually makes a really big difference to me. I actually look through and clear out notifications,

mark things as archived, and if a phone call is coming, I can see who's calling me much faster. It's just, I wish it had that outside screen. It's better, yeah. It's funny because the original Samsung Fold also had an outside screen that you could do some things with and you never had to make the full commitment of opening a full-size phone and doing all that, which I think made it nice for some people because they were in aspects of their day where they didn't want to get sucked into being all the way on their phone. They just wanted to check something. Yeah, and it was interesting to me.

I was just stuck in a conversation downstairs and I just wanted to glance at the time real quick. And I don't know how it comes off, because I have a watch, but I take my phone out of my pocket and typically with a phone, you just hit the power button real quick, check the time, put it back.

But this time, I took the Fold out of my pocket and I just glanced at it, and I just saw the time real quick. I just hit the button, boom, there's the the time and I don't know if the person realized that I didn't open the phone and that I could have opened it but I didn't you know what I mean like it's a it's another it's another it's another layer of of using this phone is you have to open it every single time to use it instead of like the outside versus inside thing i don't know something something new we have to think about with folding phones yeah but like i think you're

gonna we're gonna do a kind of comparison video on it eventually okay yeah i'm so i'm planning and i think maybe by the time this is live maybe a little after we're gonna have a z flip versus razor video um and it's not a review yet i I have to, this is my Razer review unit that I have to give back and I should definitely send it back now. So the one that I actually bought gets here a little bit later. I'll use that more and then I'll review it.

But like it's, there's just so many things to think about now that we're, now that we have multiple folding phones that are like somewhat feasible. I honestly still don't think anyone should buy any of these. But now that they're actually sort of focusing on quality and making improvements, phones that are like somewhat feasible i still don't i honestly still don't think anyone should buy any of these yeah but now that they're actually sort of focusing on quality and making improvements we finally have like a real comparison to make yeah and i find it intriguing that you say

you don't think anyone should buy this because i think what we're actually going to hit out here now on the podcast is a little little more podcast topic worthy where where you are going to see these reviews and everything about what we think of just the pure aspects of the phone. But the way they launched both of these phones is very different. And I think we kind of want to talk a little bit about how we experienced the launch of this and how it's different

and kind of the behind the scenes of everything and why it's so strange to us yeah well i guess it kind of comes from you know we had the original galaxy fold and everyone knew it was going to be like a crazy weird new thing but obviously all the problems that happened with it were a giant uh warning for everyone who's going to try folding throne from here on out uh be careful you know take it easy you know make sure everything's right get your your durability on and because of this i think we're seeing like these weird strategies where like they don't want people to hold on to the phones for too long so uh both samsung and motorola have actually had like really short-term review programs um so i'm using the

galaxy flip that I bought. Samsung is coming to pick up their Galaxy Flip that they loaned me for 24 hours. That's not a review period. That's like a loaner to get your shots and give it back, which is not really, you don't have time for any evaluation. You're just sort of learning from it as you shoot it and giving it back. I think the red flag is when a company

wants to take it back as fast as possible, that's probably a durability question. Yeah. I think a way to compare all of this is if we just take what we've been doing, at least since I've started, almost every single phone company has been, here is a briefing or an event get your shots you can make an impressions video about that probably after the event or within the next day or two you get a review unit where everybody in that review sample is getting a unit has it for about a week and then has an embargo that launches and the most important thing i think here is the embargo launches before the sale date goes out right So there are plenty of resources,

whether who you trust, who you like the most, you can do your research on this phone before you are gonna spend $1,000 on a phone. Yeah, that's ultimately what we're doing as a reviewer is giving you our best evaluation of the product and publishing that before you have to make the choice of spending your money right before. But neither of these were like that.

Neither of these folding phones were like that. That's true. Not even remotely close to that. I think Motorola had their event months ago, which was not a great event. I don't think there was anything shady within the event. I think they just tried to overhype it and it was just not a good event

with all the strobe lights and everything. Yeah, that's an understatement. So yeah, so that was a very bad event. but then we haven't seen the phone for a while then so let's see when did you finally get this phone it was in stores it was in stores before you got a unit right before anyone got a unit as far as i know it was in stores the day before i got or the day that i got a unit okay yeah and and if you read about it it's been very difficult to actually buy one. And it's kind of funny, if you look around at these stores, like, you know, a Verizon store, a Best Buy,

plus as you'd expect to buy a phone, and you call into these places and go, hey, can I buy the Moto Razr now? They'll go, oh, what? Which one? Is that on? Is that on sale yet? I don't think we have those.

And it's been sort of a very, and maybe this is just Motorola not launching a flagship in a long time and them being a little bit rusty. But yeah, this has been not a great typical launch for a smartphone. So you don't really see reviews of the Razr with like a week at least of using the phone as they get to stores.

And then the same thing happened with the Flip. Like we even had a briefing with all three other phones. Then we had to go to the event to see the Flip, which was on a Tuesday, right? I believe it was on a Tuesday. And then the Flip came out that Friday. All we had was you literally after the event had 30 minutes to shoot the phone.

Yep, it was just basically the hands-on 30 minutes to shoot the phone yep it was just basically the hands-on area and now the phone's on sale and nobody has any real reviews as far as i can tell yet so that's uh that's kind of tough i mean durability we know is is one of the biggest concerns with these folding phones because of what's happened to previous folding phones and now this is happening again you know there's questions about the material choices and the hinges and some gaps and i've read some people had really weird issues with the screens now to be fair i'm sitting here with both of these folding phones weird flex i know but none of them have had any problems for me my razor doesn't creak at all uh my z flip doesn't have any cold weather problems like nothing's wrong with either of my folding phones um but i've just really started using them every day and putting it in my pocket because we've just

really gotten them like yeah even though you can you've been able to buy both of these phones for over a week at this point yeah so that's why the reviews aren't out yet but i mean you know that video comparing the two of them are it's more of like a feature look of like you know because they did so many things different it's like the cameras are different. The battery is different. The hinge is different. The screen is different. Everything is different.

But they are both like fundamentally the same thing, which is a vertical clamshell fold that we haven't seen before. So it's a fun like top down view type of thing. But yeah, they're just they're in a weird place. Yeah, I think it was a very poor launch. You hope that there's nothing like shady about it, sort of. Well, if you imagine, here's the other perspective. Because I like to imagine, I at least want to be able to see everything from both sides. I like full-on conspiracies.

Well, the other side of this is if you work for Samsung or any of their agencies or whatever, where you don't want to get fired. You don't want to get in any trouble. You don't want to do anything the wrong way. So when you have internal, you would assume, durability concerns about these phones, and you want to make sure none of that gets published before it goes on sale,

then you want to make sure people only have the phone for maybe a day or two that's that to me is just like very off-putting and very i don't know if shady's the right word but it's very disingenuous and like i mean it's perfectly okay they don't have to give us phones at all like they don't have to give anybody phones it just when you like especially when you follow this kind of like cookie cutter sense of how every other phone launch goes. And then ones you're worried about, you're going to change up and kind of let people start paying for it before you really let other people start reviewing it. It's really that they had all the same stuff with the S20 as they typically do. And we went through that process and now we have the S20 and it doesn't go on sale yet so we have some time to start working on a review um that happens right alongside

the chaos of the z flip that makes it that much more obvious so so what was the story about the so input mag and i fix it and the razor yeah that that one actually on i think it came out this morning it was like one of the first things i read when i woke up but okay um ray wong posted it but i don't think he wrote the article but either way i'm gonna try and condense this as short as i can because it's a pretty long article i mean it's definitely we got time yeah i'm putting in the show notes it's really good um pretty much they had purchased their razor phone so this like said before, there were some loaners out, but they took them back pretty quick. They got their actual phone that they paid for.

And after a while, it's hard to describe like what happened. Pretty much if you opened the phone, it looked like the clear coating, like above the screen was kind of peeling off of it. And the screen was kind of staying in that weird crease while there was like an extra layer on top of it. It was very bad. It started breaking. Obviously broken. Okay. kind of staying in that weird crease while there's like an extra layer on top of it. It was very bad.

It started breaking. Obviously broken. Okay. There were some theories that they had when they posted about it that it potentially was cold weather that did something with the screen. We're also seeing just all these other ones of like the creak that's happening.

Yeah, I mean, there's very little on yours, but I'm going to go right up to the mic and fold mine in half. Ready? Yeah, that's not that bad. Nothing too crazy. Ours isn't that bad. We haven't used ours as much as some other people, but, um, and some people might be

getting unlucky, but it's, it was very bad. So apparently they had reached out to Motorola to try and figure out what happened. It was very bad. So apparently they had reached out to Motorola to try and figure out what happened. They posted an article about it before that. But Motorola's response was, cool, send us the phone. And that's not exactly what they were looking for, I don't think, considering this was a phone they purchased, not like a review unit or a loaner unit. I think they were trying to get some information about why it possibly happened, but they didn't so then their idea was well we're going to send this to i fix it they're great at teardowns i fix it always has like a bunch of really great stuff tearing everything down how

to do it and how to fix everything yourself so they wanted to do that but they told motorola that they were going to do that and then didn't hear anything from Motorola then heard something from iFixit saying we're actually not going to be able to open this up um Motorola pretty much asked us to do them a favor and to not review it I so as far as I know there's a small partnership between iFixit and Motorola which doesn't have to do with like not reviewing their phones or anything it has to do with the tools that they sell specifically for Motorola things there's some sort of a partnership so I don't want to make this sound like super whack from iFixit they're like incredible but um so they decided that they

didn't want to do that anymore and then the shadiest part of all of it is Motorola comes back and emails InputMag about that. And they're like, oh, yeah, sure, you can send it to iFixit. But, you know, I don't think they usually do stuff like that, pretty much. But this is already after they knew that they reached out to iFixit. So it just has this, like, really not trustworthy, like... I mean, this is why we have Zach. It is why we have Zach.

And Zach has also brought out a whole bunch of stuff about the z flip now also yeah i mean when you're unbiased and you're you don't have any relationship with the companies and you just buy the phones then you can do whatever you want now zach if zach has a problem with one of the phones he's probably i might not i might be wrong about this but i doubt doubt he's going to Motorola and asking first if they would like to correct anything or any of that. It's like, you're opening the phone, you bought the phone, this is what happened, post the video. And if they want to respond to it, then feel free. Yeah, they want to comment on why things might be happening, but I highly doubt. Yeah. It's not like Zach showed the video to Samsung before he was like, hey, there's no

glass in your phone. Yeah. So if you're independent, you kind of don't have to worry about these sorts of relationships. You just buy the phone and do what you want to do with it. But yeah, it's tough when you're trying to have like as early access as possible. And it's really hard to get your hands on a razor. The one I bought doesn't get here until the 25th. And I bought it on like the second day of availability from Motorola's site so just gonna keep waiting for that so yeah that's it that's the trade-off this whole fold thing is like i'm i'm so super excited for folding phones i do think they're the future i do think like if you just look

from the fold one to now the z flip like the amount of like uh improvements they've made is astounding oh it's clear it's so i love that i love that they've made is astounding. Oh, it's clear. I love that. I love that they've clearly learned from the fold. Now, I wish the screen was bigger on the outside, like I said, but everything about it is better now. The hinge weight, it's tighter. The gapless hinge itself, I think, low key,

the people that work on these hinges are the most important people to these teams that do the folding phones. We knew you could fold the screen, but now that the glass composite is getting better, whatever else, the hinge is super important. Well, yeah, look at the Royale FlexPi. That hinge was rough.

It folded, but it felt terrible. That's because they don't have a great hinge engineering team. So yeah, good for the hinge teams, and that's what's going to make these that much better, and maybe more companies need to be out there working super hard on their hinge to make sure they don't have any any durability problems so that's what we're looking at but yeah i just like that i like that the zoomed out view now is we finally have multiple competing we can compare them yeah comparable similar folding phones to the point where we can now decide like

what's worth nitpicking about versus what's standard in us in a folding phone i remember when we first got that razor hands on i was like i don't want to nitpick but this is a two-year-old processor and not much ram and a pretty bad camera and a small battery and like all these things and i of course don't want to like slam on all these things because, hey, you know, they finally made this crazy never-before-seen form factor. But now that we have a couple of them, it's not never-before-seen anymore. We're aware of what can be good.

Yeah, and we start critiquing it and hoping that they use those critiques and not just critiques, but comparisons now to other competitors. Like competition is going to make folding phones better, and now there's finally some competition. So I'm hoping, I think a lot of people on Reddit say, I'll be interested in Samsung Fold 4 or 5.

I'm so with that. So let us sacrifice our thousands of dollars to testing the first few and giving our feedback and Samsung's engineering teams going back and getting better and better. And I think that's probably about right. Like the galaxy fold three or four might finally be like that i think i talked about in the last one like a like 120 hertz ipad that folds in half like that kind of crazy thing that is that's exciting so maybe we're on the path to that yeah excited to get there and i think just

for anybody looking at all these new ones coming out now, if us or any reviewers aren't really saying that it's a full review, it probably means we haven't had it for very long. So take everything with a grain of salt. It's probably something we've seen for like an hour or two. Yeah. One extra step for accountability. If you're a reviewer, just mention how long you've tested it. Because with folding phones especially, and you know, people can breeze through a smartphone review in like five, four or five days or whatever. I get that. But with these folding phones, durability is such a specific concern with them that if you've only used it for a day, say that if you've used it for a week, say that like, make sure people know, cause that's actually something that people are going to care about with these for sure. Okay.

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i just showed this phone to someone today and he said it looked like a wallet um i wouldn't i mean you can yeah but i wouldn't yeah i mean would you put anything that's 1500 in the pocket that you sit on all the time it could feel fine but there's so many things that get damaged in your back pocket that i would not put this on my back pocket. I'm actually, I mean, this has nothing to do with the phones anymore, but I stopped putting my wallet in my back pocket altogether whenever I'm sitting. When I get in the car, it goes in my center console. When I go to dinner, it goes on the table. I've had so many knee issues and everything that part of me was like, it's not that I'm out of shape and don't stretch. It's because my wallet's in my back pocket when I drive for an hour.

So I don't really put anything back there anymore, but I can tell you if I did, I would never put my cell phone back there. Not the $1,380 phone I just bought. No, not yet. Oh, someone, uh, Torch Atlas asked, has the Z Flip attracted attention from other people when you've used it in public? I actually feel like it hasn't. I feel like people hasn't i feel

like people just haven't really quite noticed it we we were actually talking about this with vin and brandon yesterday about how it's such a radically different phone and like so many people when they see it flip open are are astounded by it yeah but not like the person has to catch you flipping it open right or they have no idea that it either looks like a normal phone all the way open or it just looks like a wallet. That's true. A really shiny wallet.

That makes no sense. But like most of the time they see it in your hand, it's just going to look like a phone. So it's not going to attract a lot of attention. Yeah, I showed it to someone today and they just looked at it like it was a normal phone until I started to fold it shut and they realized what was happening with the screen and they were like oh wait a second whoa you're

bending a phone in half man so yeah no I actually don't think it's been really uh catching eyes that much I think it's sort of under the radar right at least right now maybe we should just go put you out the streets in New York and just see how many times you can open and close it it's so funny catch you know it's funny when we werero Tech, when I was walking around New York City with the 84 Macintosh and all these crazy things, the number one thing that caught people's attention the most was the Dynatac. The Dynatac?

Yeah, and I couldn't believe so many people realized what that was and pointed it out. We're like, hey, I used to have that. Hey, that's an old phone, man. People all realized what the Dynatac was. So yeah, that's just a sort of a fun fact. But yeah, no, this one under the radar. Okay, someone asked,

which is better, folding tablet or a folding smartphone? And I'll pass this to you because I know I still want a folding tablet. Yeah, me too. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I personally like, if you were to take the fold and the z flip together and assume they were the exact same quality or everything i would prefer the larger

screen that gets smaller rather than the the smaller thing that unfolds to a normal size yeah i guess it's like this bigger thing that gets smaller rather than no that's well no i'm with you so yeah i would rather have a screen that i can't normally fit in my pocket okay fold so that i can instead of a normal size screen that i could already fit in my pocket but that's just to just be a little easier in my pocket okay yeah and i do get it like i mentioned this i i actually now that i've been carrying this yeah i feel like it is a little bit freeing having a smaller thing in my pocket so I'm like oh yeah okay I understand like a flip phone you know the small thing in my pocket it's a little a little more carefree but uh I still love the idea of

like an iPad mini size screen when I need it and folding it in half and just having a normal size smartphone on the outside when I don't yeah I'd be interested to actually try using a flip phone for a while and seeing what you mean by that. Because there are times every once in a while where I notice I'm like, I'm getting in the car and my phone's tall enough that it's towards the top of my pocket and leaning forward. Yeah. Feel it like pushing up against or something like that. So I guess just even having that couple inches of clearance might. Yeah of clearance might be super beneficial. It just drops right to the bottom of your pocket. That's nice.

It's a little thicker. But yeah, I still think I'll always take, I'd prefer a bigger screen. If I'm sitting on the couch and I want to open up a phone and watch something, I'd prefer a bigger screen that I'm then fitting in my pocket. I feel productive too. When I had the Galaxy Fold, the original, I would open it and I would send off emails and I would have the two tabs going. And I was like, I'm getting work done right now. I felt pretty good about that. So

I don't know. Maybe that's still the dream. Ooh, I got one. Okay. Uh, so, and maybe you can speak as a former note user, what disappointed you the most about the new Samsung lineup? That's actually really hard to answer because there are still things we haven't even talked about that they did that I think made it better They're like edge to edge screen. They like took that back a lot. They flattened it It's still a little bit so it still looks great and it almost looks like it has no bezels on the side But they made that better so way less accidental touches in theory. I think the color looks a ton better. It's Gigantic I I think one of the things I'm probably the most upset about is

just the fact that it's not 1440x120 and that's just because I got so hyped before hearing about it just assuming I'm going to get a full blown Samsung screen at 120 and it's also like if you spend $1,400 on a phone you probably kind of know what you're talking about

let that dude turn it on let that person turn on 1440p 120 they know they're not going to get the best battery life but like at least have it as an option you can still do your out the box 61 60 uh you know 1080 but that's that's something i wish maybe they can enable that with a software update or a firmware update would be amazing it would be also dumb that they wouldn't just offer that from the start. Yeah, maybe they can turn that on. Yeah, I'm actually really, this is the most excited I've been for Samsung for a while. I've always liked their phones, and especially once I started using Nova Launcher on them,

I've liked their phones twice as much. Yeah. I do. I'm still so into cameras on the Pixel, which is why I'm using the pixel 4 now which is still to me like an all right phone with a great camera and uh i don't know if it wasn't 1400 it might sway me i think i i think the s20 ultra might be the coolest phone out right now but yeah it's also the newest i will say they have on paper and in every way because i was gonna say like oh they should do google play edition but you know you can do nova launcher and go pretty much all the way there uh they improved

every single measurable thing about this phone including making the screen flatter and you know everything about it except the headphone jack oh man i think we're i think we're just done with that they so many people i did have a headphone jack moment like every once in a while you just have a moment where you're like ah the headphone jack was so great and then you go back to living your life and it's fine but yeah that is the one thing that you can point to and say i'm disappointed but other than that like it's an expensive premium like complete phone yeah i think it really hit it hit the nail on the head for 99 of the nail on the head for

99 of the things and the things it doesn't you can probably solve pretty easily yeah i'm my biggest curiosity with it i'll say is how good is this camera really just because yeah i'm really excited to see like we know the iphone 11 camera excellent we know pixel force camera excellent and you know samsung's always like kind of, you know, hyped their cameras and they've been pretty good, but they made a big deal about this camera and it's 100x and like this is what the commercials are about and everything. So as I test it, this is going to be the number one thing where I'm like, is this now the best camera?

Question mark? I don't know. It took first and second in our bracket challenge. In the blind smartphone camera test? That's true. I mean, it's there. We've always known it's there. Maybe it's just the line of work we're in

that we're so used to pixel peeping, but I think the S20 is amazing, and I think they basically completely nailed it. Okay, yeah. So someone named Aiden Tech asks, how is the Z Flip for quick actions, like taking a quick photo, looking at a list when shopping, responding to a text, et cetera?

Is it a major burden? I will say it's been kind of annoying. Really? Yeah, just like the other day, I just wanted to, I think, just check my grocery list. And so if you're at the store, your phone's in your pocket,

you just want to open it, check the list real quick, put it back in your pocket, right? That's all a one-handed like, look it put it back with this phone like checking your grocery list is like oh open it dig a little further in your pocket then you look at it then you close it like all this is like it adds up like it shouldn't be that much i actually see real quick i've done the test with the razor and i find it funny that i have a very easy time flipping it with one hand and right i couldn't seem to do it at all that one is easier for me

because the hinge weight is so stiff and that's easier for you yeah because it feels more in control the whole time instead of like flopping open so here's my my theory on it i can get my finger in there no problem and it feels really good. It feels way better than the Razr. Yeah, definitely. But the one thing the Razr did do is when it's open, it's going to open all the way. I'm flipping this open with one hand, and when it's getting to the top,

I'm definitely having to put way more pressure at the bottom of the hinge to get the rest of the thing to be all the way open. Yeah. And that's that is that's a lot less like the original flip phones of the past where like you got it past halfway and it just snapped open yeah that was i think really easy for one-handed use where this for me maybe that's what's getting annoying is i like have to really almost have to use a second finger or a

second hand or like yeah you really have to finish open shift it but once it's open it feels so much nicer yeah and then the is just that's that feels amazing like the closing the razor is not quite as let's say yeah this is the razor this has been asmr weekly no yeah i i definitely think the hinge is better on the Z Flip, but it is a little bit annoying to have to do that whole thing. Yeah, I would not want to do this. Oh, yeah, especially for groceries or something. And here's the other thing.

He mentioned taking pictures. At least the Razr, what they do is if I want to take a photo, I flip it open, and then instead of having to open the photo app, I just double twist because that's Motorola's quick action. With Samsung, I have to open it and then double press the photo app, I just double twist because that's Motorola's quick action. With Samsung, I have to open it and then double press the power button, which for some reason takes a little bit longer for me to get my finger onto the button.

Also, since the power button on the Z Flip now is the fingerprint reader, it's not like a super clicky regular power button that you're used to double pressing for opening camera on like Android phones. Yeah. Can I sayola's like features like the twist and the shake for flashlight are easily their most underrated

features and i can't believe another company has never picked that up before i love the moto actions that's been my favorite they've had those forever too since like the original moto x i think for many years it's just been overshadowed by like fairly mediocre phones for a while. The rest of what they do. Yeah, I know. Yeah. It's just like, yeah. Shaking for flashlight is so good. I have a friend who has one and he's obsessed with it. Whenever we're like doing something at night, it's like someone have a flashlight, just whips it out of his pocket and shakes it and he's got it ready. Yeah. No. Yeah. That I, to answer the question. Yes, I have found it. I don't know about, he said major burden.

It's not a major burden, but it's just, it adds up over time. Exactly. And that's one of the things we talk about all the time where smartphones are like, they have these little tiny features that make your life one half of a second more convenient. And now that's finally something that's now adding onto it. Yeah. If you think about it, we have so many features built into the phones to make your life just a half step easier. Just a little bit easier.

A little quicker. Just a swipe up and it already looked at your face. Just a little extra bit, like saving you a half a second, quarter of a second here or there because you open your phone so many times every day. This is making it a half step harder. And it sounds funny to complain, but that half step harder is like, it's gonna add up, it's the opposite direction. So let's see, how many times do you think you check your phone a day?

Just a rough estimate. 100. 100, okay. Wait, I'm gonna pull out my calculator for this and we're gonna see. Just 100 times a day, how long do you think it takes to open, how many extra seconds do you think it takes to now get to your phone? Sometimes. I also think you open it more than 100.

Maybe I do. But I don't know. I'm pulling it out right now, and it's like a half a second process. Okay. So what's that? 50 seconds? So what? 50 and then timesing 50 by 365, 18,250 seconds.

I'm terrible at math. What do I do now? That's 600 minutes. 600 minutes? If you divide it by 60, which is 300 minutes. 300 minutes? So you're adding 300 minutes of extra nonsense onto your life every year,

and I'm sure we did that math wrong, and somebody's going to crucify us for it. It's fine. But Marques is the one who actually went to a tech college. I went to film school. I'm not we did that math wrong and somebody's going to crucify us for it. It's fine. But Marquez is the one who actually went to a tech college. I went to film school. I'm not supposed to know math. The point stands we are moving in the opposite direction with the difficult hinges.

I've never thought about that. I say throw folding phones out. They're useless to me now. I'm not adding 300 minutes on them. And the whole thing. Shut it down. Fire the hinge team. At the top here, Austin evans he wants to know is 2020 shaping up to be the best year for samsung in a long time uh it's

kind of funny you mentioned samsung because samsung makes about 700 million things like they make washers and like i'm sure they're having a bit like that yeah they're having a great year probably anyway, but I think the S20 lineup is the best smartphone lineup they've had in a long time. Oh yeah, it's getting overshadowed by Z Flip stuff right now hard. And although, like we mentioned before, Samsung's having a great start to the year because they're competing against no one because Mobile World Congress got canceled. So good start. And also, just this lineup to me has me really,

like I'm really thinking about the Note a lot now because I always have liked the Note. And this past year, they made a smaller Note 10 and then a plus size Note 10+. So are they going to do Note 20 and Note 20+, and is it going to be even bigger than the Note 20 or the S20 Ultra? Is there going to be a Note 20 Ultra? Like what are they going to do? This is all I want out of the Note is I want them to keep the style. I want them to keep their Note thing, but I don't want them to do what

they did last year. Sort of. I want them to have two sizes because the smaller Note was an incredible size. I thought that was like the perfect form factor yeah but don't take away from the specs on the small one i want two equal specced notes that one is just bigger than the other one and i mean like obviously the smaller one can have a bit smaller of a battery because it has to fit but other than that yeah two notes same specs different sizes so that's not what they did with the s20 and s20 plus which decreases my hope of that happening. Because S20 Plus has an extra camera sensor. It has extra bands for millimeter wave 5G. It obviously has a bigger screen, bigger battery, but it's got a couple other things in there

that make it a bit of a different phone for an extra $100. I forget, did 10 and 10 Plus have a different camera array on the back, or were they the same? For the Notes, I think they had the same cameras, I believe. So they did mostly the same stuff with the note 10 and 10 plus but uh the slightly different specs yeah yeah you want them to have a lot of phones well i have the s10 lite now they have four out already they have the note 10 lite that was january at ces they got all kinds of phones they have the a series is is killing it you know what this might be their year just based on how many phones they have.

If none of them hit top selling, as long as all of them hit top five selling or something like that, which is very possible. You can sell a million albums if you make a million albums and everyone buys one. I think that's where we'll end it.

The Samsung strategy of carpet bombing is for sure in full effect. Thanks for the questions, guys. Yeah, check out the channel for the videos we talked about in the show notes. We'll have all the stuff we mentioned, the interviews, the questions, guys. Yeah, check out the channel for the videos we talked about in the show notes. We'll have all the stuff we mentioned, the interviews, the articles, all that stuff.

But we'll get more into, I mean, there's a ton more for February. Yeah, we're closing in on some of our last podcasts in this room also, because we officially got the keys to the new. We got the keys. I'd say if people are interested in seeing kind of like how we work through our new podcast room,

maybe let's fire our waveform Instagram up a little more. Okay. Maybe. Let's start using that to do some updates on our new podcast setup. Behind the scenes of the podcast. Cool. What's the tag for it? Is it WVFRM on Instagram?

I think it's a little longer than that. I think there's an underscore in there, but we'll put that in the show notes and we'll start to fire that up. Yeah, follow that. Let's show you guys what we're doing. Let's get at it. So thanks for listening. Thanks for watching the videos. We'll catch you guys in the next one.

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