Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Can Insects Save Folding Phones? Why are Airpods Max $550? What is Instagram Lite?

Episode Date: December 18, 2020

In this week's episode, we take a look at so-called "luxury iPhones" to see if they're legit or not. Next, we reminisce about the olden days of simple Instagram and their new toned-down app, Instagram Lite. Lastly, we discuss how insect wings are what folding phone companies should strive to be like (for real), before wrapping up the episode with a debate about the age-old question, "Why are Airpods priced so high?" Links: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganell https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ shop.mkbhd.com Music by KamrenB: https://spoti.fi/2WRJOFh Mark Rober Glitter Bomb: https://bit.ly/3gZv9AP Obama Interview: https://bit.ly/3oZcI1S The Daily Facebook: https://nyti.ms/3gYFz3z Caviar Space Phone: https://bit.ly/3h19hVQ Instagram Lite: https://bit.ly/3p044jI Z Fold Premium Issues: https://bit.ly/3p64LrV Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Thumbtack presents the ins and outs of caring for your home. Out. Procrastination, putting it off, kicking the can down the road. In. Plans and guides that make it easy to get home projects done. Out. Carpet in the bathroom. Like, why? In. Knowing what to do, when to do it, and who to hire. Start caring for your home with confidence. Download Thumbtack today. BetMGM, authorized gaming partner of the NBA, has your back all season long.

From tip-off to the final buzzer, you're always taken care of with a sportsbook born in Vegas. That's a feeling you can only get with BetMGM. And no matter your team, your favorite player, or your style, there's something every NBA fan will love about BetMGM. Download the app today and discover why BetMGM is your basketball home for the season. Raise your game to the next level this year with BetMGM, a sportsbook worth a slam dunk and authorized gaming partner of the season. Raise your game to the next level this year with BetMGM, a sportsbook worth a slam dunk, an authorized gaming partner of the NBA.

BetMGM.com for terms and conditions. Must be 19 years of age or older to wager. Ontario only. Please play responsibly. If you have any questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. With Uber Reserve,

you can book your Uber ride in advance. 90 days in advance. Perfect for all you forward thinkers and planning gurus. Reserve your Uber ride up to 90 days in advance. Uber Reserve. See Uber app for details. Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Wayform. We're your hosts. I'm Marques Brownlee. And I'm Andrew Manganielli. And it is the snowiest podcast of the year, 100%. Yeah, kind of nice, though, because minus this plow we're talking in between behind us, like, the building's pretty empty and there's not a lot of cars outside. So I'm hoping it might be, it might sound pretty nice. If there's anything I enjoy about a good snowstorm,

it's that the studio is very quiet because no one wants to drive through it for the snow. So yeah, hopefully there's no other background noise because of that. And we're getting right up on the end of the year and we've got a lot of cool sort of end of year stuff to talk about. I think our last episode of the year,

which will be our next episode, we'll have some more really good, fun end of year wrap up-up stuff yeah this is also kind of like a bonus episode we threw in so next week is final of the year this is just uh we're giving you guys a little extra christmas joy holiday cheer but there is a lot of good stuff to talk about yeah yeah it's i i made the joke in a video that it's sort of turning into Techcember. It's like this is interesting because October and November are like all the companies releasing things like slamming it in your face. This is now kind of the things are out and we can compare everything. But we also are getting a bunch of different stories that are wrapping up the year and like kind of looking forward to the next all the tech that's going to happen next year. and kind of looking forward to all the tech that's going to happen next year.

One of my favorite things that comes out around the holiday season every year is Mark Rober does his Glitter Bomb video. I haven't watched it yet. So he did it this year. It's the Glitter Bomb 3.0, and it's inspired by just because around the holiday season there's lots of people mailing gifts. Obviously not seeing family, we're doing a lot of mailing gifts this season. That's exactly what I've been working on.

seeing family. We're doing a lot of mailing gifts this season. That's exactly what I've been working on. And so he plants these packages just to tempt porch pirates because, you know, people like to go around and literally just steal boxes from people's porches, the literal Grinches of Christmas every year. And so every year his contraption becomes even more involved and scientifically well done. It's just a great overall project he does. What were the upgrades to this year? So last year, I remember it was the package. It had a tracking device in it. It had a camera, like four cameras, I think, for each side

so you could catch every angle. And then after it expelled the glitter, what, in like a 10-foot radius? I think it had like a stink bomb to make sure that people threw it away so I could retrieve it from the trash Yeah, I'm trying to what else could it go from there? So a lot of the changes that he made you would get from the two previous years that he's run this experiment So basically if you watch those videos a lot of the, as soon as someone takes the top off of the package and the glitter comes out, they like shove the top right back on.

So he has these little metal bars that will, once you open the top, slide out so you can't put the top back on. And so he gets more good footage that way. Like a barb. Oh my God. Yeah, and there's like a little magnetic latch that keeps them out

so you can't push them back in. So it was a lot of well-thought stuff. Another one was a lot of times the package with the trackers and the cameras in it would get stolen and then driven around for so long and not opened, and then they would die before you get anybody opening it. So he 3D printed an inductive charging case and a welcome mat that was also plugged in. So basically the package had a couple pins on the bottom of it

and was always charging on the welcome mat. So as soon as it's stolen, it's at 100% on everything, and it knows it's been stolen because the pins have been unconnected. I feel like if Apple ever wants air power to be a thing, they should hire Mark Roper. He already works for Apple. He left. If they want him back, it's going to be a lot of work. But I thoroughly enjoyed that. He left. Big loss on them. It's going to be a lot of work.

I thoroughly enjoyed that. We'll link that in the show notes below. I had something I actually listened to on the way in here today. Have you ever listened to The Daily? It's like a news podcast by the New York Times. I haven't, but I've definitely heard good things about it. First of all, Michael Barbaro might be the best voice on a podcast, minus the one time Mr. Mobile was on our podcast, but Michael Barbaro might be like the best voice on a podcast, minus the one time Mr. Mobile was on our podcast.

But Michael Barbaro, definitely one of the smoothest voices in listening. But so there's like a obviously a daily New York Times News podcast that I usually listen to every morning. It's obviously been a lot about COVID in the election, but they had one today called Should Facebook Be Broken Up? And it was just a pretty quick, like half an hour rundown. I'm sure we've all heard that Facebook's facing a couple lawsuits about monopolies and breaking up with Instagram. And it was just kind of cool to listen to kind of how Facebook started. And then they have some old emails when Instagram was first really starting to get big about Mark Zuckerberg essentially being worried about it and what they would do to stop the threat essentially. And then goes in a little bit after that about

Snapchat, how they tried to do something similar to Snapchat, but Snapchat didn't agree. And then they built stories into Instagram. Copy, paste. Yeah, pretty much. It was really interesting, and I think it's really important. While we generally cover tech products, this is a potentially really, really big case in tech itself, especially just social media in general. Depending how it goes could change a lot of things we see,

not just in the U.S., but around the world. so yeah highly suggest giving it a listen uh we'll put it in the show notes i always find myself listening to those uh conversations and agreeing with both sides it's weirdly tough like the way they put it at the end is like it's really hard because since facebook and i don't want to be seen here like I'm defending it, both of this topic is so far over my head that I don't think me having any opinion on this really even scrapes the surface of what's going on. But essentially what they're offering is free, so it's really hard to argue that it's anti-consumer because as a consumer, it's really easy to just use something else. Then the problem comes in is what else is there if they are controlling almost everything? I think there's a big issue with Google right now

and also a lawsuit that has to do with just advertising on the internet that Google owns almost every single aspect of any ad selling on the internet. Whenever you ask about monopolies and should they be broken up, single aspect of like any ad selling on the internet so it's yeah whenever you whenever you ask about monopolies and should they be broken up i think the question that always has to start off at the top is okay they're a monopoly what are they a monopoly in and so when you look at facebook it's like all right you could say that they're maybe they're a monopoly in social media for sure social connection among humans social media is definitely what and if you ask facebook they'll go well you know twitter is a big competitor uh you know other

sites are big competitors and we've had competitors bubble up and die in the past because it's very difficult to do what we do but that that argument always comes up and i think you know google obviously their big argument is yeah uh search search And they've built that search tool. So they deserve to an extent, a lot of what they've made, but also advertising. Obviously they control a massive amount of online advertising and that's, that's a monopoly. So, but all the other little things in between, like when you're like, well, you can switch to a competitor. People would call Apple a monopoly. People call Amazon a monopoly. Those are all tougher arguments to make, I think. Yeah. I mean, they're not off base. That's why I think this ruling and this lawsuit is so important

because when you start getting into things that aren't real physical products that you're going and buying at the store, we've worried about gas monopolies in the past we've worried about cable stuff monopolies stuff like that um it's like all of those have these like specific prices that if you're like seriously price gouging it's very obvious what you're doing but this is now coming into the point where they're making money off of things where we're not physically paying for it so the consumer it's very way harder to argue that the consumer's getting harmed or at least like the consumer's wallet is getting harmed it's probably going to go more into like is the consumer's

privacy getting harmed and stuff like that and when you see these like see these questions and stuff from our senators and our congressmen asking big tech about stuff, you wonder what's going to happen because so many of them seem to just not understand the internet at all. Yeah, that's the most painful part. Yeah. So it's tough seeing a bunch of generations that are not used to the internet asking questions about the internet. It's like, how are you going to tell Facebook they're being a monopoly when you don't even understand they make money by selling ads?

So it just seems like it's going to be a never-ending thing. But it's worth taking a quick look into for sure. Yeah. It would be like me trying to legislate baseball equipment. Like I just don't know what to do because i don't understand baseball equipment really funny because the analogy they used in the daily episode was comparing it to baseball or at least google they said or i think a congressman said if google was a baseball game they would be the pitcher the batter and the umpire interesting but either way but i think

google would also argue we built this stadium of course course, where the pitcher, the batter, and the umpire, that kind of thing. Anyway, there's a lot to it. Yeah, there's so much to it. I'm sure that's a good episode, though, and I'll definitely have to check it out. Yeah, it definitely is. Cool.

Next step. I mean, quick shout-out. Marquez got to interview Barack Obama. Yeah, we talked. Not so much an interview, but still. Still, bucket list stuff. So that was, a lot of people I've realized didn't realize that that was prerecorded.

So my questions were recorded on my end, sent to him. And then in the video, when you see him reach over and hit the space bar, he's pausing the video to answer the question and then hit play as the question goes. It looked like he was like unmuting himself from a Zoom call apparently. Oh, I didn't even think about that.

Yeah, exactly. It looks like a Zoom call. Anyway, so it was't even think about that. Yeah, exactly. It looks like a Zoom call. Anyway, so it was prerecorded. But yeah, still bucket list stuff. We touched on tech actually a little bit about the upside downside of tech and his administration obviously being one of the earliest to really use social media a lot.

So yeah, it's worth watching. I figured I would share. It's part of a larger cut where a bunch of creators ask some questions, and it's in a BookTube video by YouTube Originals. So definitely we'll link our video and the BookTube video below. But for sure, the book is called A Promised Land. And so far, it's pretty great. All right. I want to talk about another video we put on the channel recently about a caviar phone. Oh, yeah. I guess if you haven't seen the video

or haven't seen any of our previous videos or haven't watched any of the hundreds of caviar videos there are out there, how would you describe caviar? Caviar is everything the Escobar company wanted to be, as I put it. Okay, that's a great way to describe it if you know what Escobar is,

which I hope listening to the podcast we you know what Escobar is, which I hope listening to the podcast, we've complained about Escobar enough. Yeah. So they're a boutique. Here's how I'll describe them on the surface. They look like a boutique Russian manufacturer who makes crazy custom iPhones. So an iPhone covered in gold for a hundred grand, an iPhone covered in diamonds, or an iPhone with a piece of the moon on the back of it, or an iPhone with, you know, titanium. The one we did was like the like super intricate like watch gears and stuff while also being gold.

A turbulent, like a watch mechanic in the back with a bunch of gold and diamonds in it. They did the Cybertruck phone also, which was like this all-metal titanium build that's supposed to resemble Elon's creation. All sorts of stuff like that. Very, you know, surface-level, like kind of like pointless,

but kind of fun videos where you just kind of unbox it and go, wow, look at this crazy thing. Look how much it costs. Look how much it costs. Look at this thing you've never seen and can't imagine using yourself. There's a hundred of those videos on YouTube. To me, you know, they reached out again and they were like, we want to send you this iPhone 12 Pro with a piece of the

moon on it. And my first reaction was, okay, yeah, I guess I could see that yeah i mean if you want to send it great uh but this this one i don't think i have any like plans like i'll check it out yeah they want to send it to the studio again they've done this in the past well they'll send something i'll make my video on it and then they'll go let me collect that back and you just give it back to them they have like the first half of exactly how you should approach content creators down, which is like, hey, we made something. Do you think it looks kind of cool? Okay, cool. Why don't we send it to you?

Sure. That's like great start. Great start. But then they screw everything else up. Then the second half is weird. Yeah. The second half is they send someone out to collect it or, I mean, at least in my case, I can't speak to everyone else, but they've never let me keep any of it. Well, and they like, after sending it, without you telling them it's gonna make a video,

then they constantly say, where's the video? Right, so this is what happened this time. So first they reach out, they go, hey, we've got this iPhone with the piece of the moon in it. Do you wanna check it out? Is the shipping address still the same? I go, ah, all right, sure, feel free to send it.

So they do, it arrives at the studio. We all check it out, take it out the box. And I look at it. And at this point, I look back and I say, we've done two Caviar videos already. First one was the Cybertruck video. That was pure novelty. It was perfect. We love talking about the Cybertruck and the design.

And this was right around when the new iPhone came out. And the combination of just clickability and like curiosity was like, let's check this thing out. The second one was the gold iPhone with the, with the watch face on the back and all this crazy stuff. And that was literally the pinnacle of what they do. It's like $120,000. It's the most expensive iPhone in the world. Why not just get that out the way? Right. Fun video. This third one, it's like, we've made a piece of the moon in the back of an iphone and i'm looking at it and i'm like i i don't even know if that is a piece of the moon and i kind of feel weird doing a whole video about how cool it is that it's a piece of the moon when i don't even

know if it is or not and also at this point the third video i feel like i'm kind of i feel like i'm kind of advertising for you at this point i'm sending a lot of people to your website every time we do a video. So, uh, I just kind of put the phone to the side and a couple of days went by and I just didn't, I just didn't feel the need to do a video. You know, it might show up in a background Easter egg or something once in a while that happens when you send stuff to our studio, but I didn't have any video plans, right? They, they pop up an inbox, Hey, And then they're a Russian company, so it's a little bit translated, but they're basically like, when's the video?

So I just replied, we don't have any plans for a video at this time. I kind of said what I just said to you. It might show up in the background. It might end up in a video. But again, no plans for a video at this time. And immediately they're very persistent this is the same guy i talked to for the first two videos he was like well at least tell me when

the video is going to be i was like again we don't have plans for a video and at that point i decided to make a video yeah i think i said something to you like this guy keeps asking he's going to get a video he's just not going to like it very much. Yeah, he was very persistent. And that's when I realized that I wanted to talk about the concept of this video in general, which is like this boutique manufacturer. And the fact that it happens to be caviar every time, because if you go on YouTube and you search for any sort of crazy headlines, gold iPhone, most expensive iPhone, crazy

iPhone unboxing. It always seems to be a caviar phone. And so I went back and I did a little research, watched back over those videos, and also did some research about the moon and just like do pieces of the moon end up on Earth at all. Had a little chat with Neil deGrasse Tyson on video where he explained how pieces of the moon end up on earth and basically the whole video came together as like a little bit of investigative journalism or whatever you want to call it I think people were calling it but it was basically talking about the concept of this boutique manufacturer using the press that comes from these YouTube headlines to direct people to their site and I think our biggest question after all of this is, I guess some people have to be buying it, huh?

Yeah, that's what I'm, so like originally when they did the like $100,000 phone, to me that almost felt more reasonable that maybe they're making some money here because like if you have something with such incredibly high profit margins and it's just wildly, like there are people out there with

money to spare that will probably buy that and you only have to sell a couple these ones are in this like five to seven thousand dollar range or like five to fifteen thousand dollar range of them yeah which like doesn't is stupidly expensive where it takes out 99 of every buyer who wants a phone but then even those people who like want to just flash something like chances are that's not going to be like that's still not going to be good enough or like insane enough for somebody who just wants to just all the time be like i'm holding a hundred thousand dollar phone i feel like it's kind of like time be like i'm holding a hundred thousand dollar phone i feel like it's kind of like jewelry like people who buy fifty thousand dollar diamond earrings or like five hundred thousand dollar diamond watches like you need that high high end with the crazy crazy profit margins and

now it's in this spot in the middle where no one's gonna buy it on either spectrum i just don't really get it but i i still would say like even if they only sell a few to like random russian rich people uh let's say they sell five hundred thousand dollar iphones it kind of just subsidizes the rest of your store and you can just kind of build your reputation on all the weird stuff that you put in your store so that's's my other thing though, is I thought maybe the rest of the store would have some things that are like overpriced and flashy, but not crazy. But I think that one of the cheapest things on the store was like $1,500 AirPods Pro, like nothing.

I thought maybe like some $150 cases that like had some intricate gold trim. Oh no, they only do the best. They only do the highest end. I thought they would have something a little smaller to make up for that. And then what would happen is these YouTube videos, about a $100,000 phone, brings people to the site

and they say, I want to be flashy like that, but I can't afford that, so I'm going to buy this $150 case, which still has a crazy profit margin because it's like a $20 case at best. They just don't have that. So I'm very confused. It was very strange. They have some new ones lately that seem even harder. Like the Moonrock one you went over with Neil, that's totally a possibility. It makes no sense at all,

but it could be real. So my conversation with Neil basically landed on, yes, there are missions that have gone from Earth to the moon to collect pieces of it and bring them back. Those are in the possession of the government, and you can't buy those. But also, there is a notoriously large amount of impacts on the moon. You look at the moon, it's like covered in craters. There's no atmosphere on the moon. Stuff hits the moon all the time, breaks off pieces of it, immediately leaves the moon's orbit, and eventually falls to Earth. And all that stuff, there's tons of that just kind of sitting around hitting Earth all the time. And you can identify it. You can buy and sell that stuff. And from our research, about up

to $1,000 a gram. So it's not the worst. But it's definitely, like if you look at this iPhone, it is a tiny grain of sand sized piece of the moon in the back of the phone. Like a coarse piece of sea salt, probably. Yeah, tops. And so you look at that and you're like, this isn't worth that much. But if it is really a piece of the moon, it could be fine. But they also sell one with a piece of Mars. And they also sell one with a piece of Mars and they also sell one with a piece of Mercury and

they also sell one that they claim has a slice of the fabric from Steve Jobs's original black turtleneck yeah and they also claim to sell one with a piece of the motherboard of a working Apple one computer I think they said like the Apple One computer, like the original, which, see, this is where I think those two, first of all, even if the sweater one was real, that's one of those things where at first you're like, this isn't real.

And then for whatever reason, if they prove it's real, you're like, why on earth do I want a piece of Steve Jobs sweater in my phone? I either want the sweater or I don't think I want a tiny piece of it that I can never touch glued to the back of the phone that I'm not going to use next year. It's just really weird. I don't want to carry around a piece of some guy's clothes.

I don't want it. So I think we found another video or you found another video of somebody who found a who looked into the the apple circuit board claim and found a bunch of fake ones online that look very similar yeah i'm gonna find this and we'll link this in the show notes another youtuber did a breakdown it's it basically serves as a part two to my video it's really good yeah it basically goes over the one talking about the apple one and the motherboard and why he has enough evidence to be pretty confident that it's very skeptical yeah um some of that coming from the fact that the photos used on their site don't have a lot of the stuff that is usually connected

to a working board and that it matches up perfectly with google images of an edited photo from an ebay listing of a fake board yeah that made me laugh so hard because that's like if you ever want to if you ever find a website that's on like instagram advertising and you want to know if they drop ship the number one way to find out that is if you're in chrome right click and search google for this image. And when you find 30 AliExpress with the exact same image, so literally all he did was like the drop shipping investigation. Classic find. That's so funny.

So you see that on their site and you're like, even if it's real, this is way too sketch. Would they really buy a working Apple One and then slice up the motherboard to put it on the back of a phone like really why would that why would that be real is the question so uh anyway you should check out that video it kind of comes full circle because our whole thing was questioning what caviar is even doing in the first place why they exist they kind of live off of the good headlines and i did not link to their site this time.

And I feel like that's probably the last time they'll send me anything. They haven't gotten back to me, by the way. That you know. We also haven't been offed by a Russian mobster. Yet. Yet. So yeah, we've.

Our blinds are closed for the next couple months. Yeah, they obviously know where we're at because they shipped the phone here. So anyway, if you're listening, please don't do that Yeah, if you had to guess what their next insane phone would be what would it have in it? Their next insane phone and we talked about this is like they kind of attach it to the latest phone because Everyone's talking about the iPhone 12 Pro for a couple months Yeah, I should have thought about this question before we started so we could have I just thought of it now

So we're going a little off the top of the head here. Yeah. I'm going to guess it'll be an iPhone 12 Pro and it'll have a piece of like Mount Everest. That's a good Mount Everest. Up glued to the top, like near the campus. Of like the Everest summit. Yeah. And you'll never, ever be able to verify that. I want one.

It has to be one of one. And I want it to have the garage door opener from the garage that started Apple. Yeah, for sure. Just glued onto the back of it. Just a piece of plastic. Just a giant chunk on the back. A piece of plastic from the garage door opener. Okay, that's enough of caviar.

Just go watch the caviar video. I think the conversation with Neil is the most entertaining part of that's enough of caviar just go watch the caviar video i think the conversation with neil is the most entertaining it's definitely entertaining and it's up there with the theme of doing way too much research for a video because i also did a video on the flex pie and we'll talk about that in a second so if you're on to the theme of way too much research it's you can tell we have we've gone a little crazy through um tech and Techvember, whatever we even call them anymore. We're having a little too much fun with our videos in December. All right, one more quick thing before our ad break. I asked you this before.

Have you seen, there's a couple articles coming out about Instagram Lite? Never seen this. All right, so I'm going to explain to you this new app. Tell me what you think about it. Go for it. Imagine Instagram. Wait, you should pitch it like a shark on Shark Tank. Okay, I'll do it.

I'll be the shark and you just pitch it like it's an idea. Okay, sharks. I'm coming to you with a revolutionary idea. Okay. Instagram. But. Wait, that's every pitch. That's every pitch is they go, it's like Snapchat, but.

I feel like every pitch that does start like that is they go, it's like Snapchat, but. I feel like every pitch that does start like that, you should basically just say, I'm out. It's Uber, but for. It's Uber, but not well known and making no money. Okay. Okay. So Instagram, but no reels, no IGTV and no shop. Sounds great. I know, right?

Okay. It's a billion dollar idea. Are there still stories? Yes, there are still stories. So what it is, is, and unfortunately right now it's only available in India. So essentially it's, they did a Facebook light for certain regions beforehand and it's essentially for regions that generally have way less band internet bandwidth and also uh like phones that have less memory so it like it's harder to run that so it's a really small app really lightweight obviously apparently it even i was just reading some of uh the like i pulled it up in the app store and it

wouldn't let me download it which i'm really bummed about because i would love that um it seems like it doesn't even have dark mode. Like it's just super, super bare bones Instagram. But it's just funny that even though it's region locked, I saw all over Twitter people like, oh, oh my goodness, I would love this. And it's just Instagram has gone from such this like little, I don't want to call it tiny but like very very simple apps just being like buttons everywhere and stuff everywhere and there's just so much of it now

it's at the risk of sounding like an old person i i'm gonna start there when it comes to tech yeah i don't say this sentence very often but I remember the days when Instagram was just photos from your phone. And it took them a minute to even make a desktop site. So it was just Instagram, the app on your phone. You couldn't upload photos that you'd already taken. You had to use the Instagram camera to take a photo and then maybe add a filter and then upload. And that was the point. I think that's why it's called Instagram is because it was instant. Really fun fact,

which was in the episode of the daily that I talked about before, Instagram was originally called bourbon. And that is because the two people who created it wanted to do an app where you would check into places and they i guess because of that they the one guy enjoyed bourbon and that's why they named it that and it was based on going to places and checking in and being a social media app that showed places you had been but foursquare took off more so yeah and then they realized that so many people on facebook like to post pictures and that the picture aspect of Facebook was kind of taking off so they wanted an easier way instead of focusing on checking in it was focusing on pictures and then showing where the picture was taken okay um and that's kind of

how they they pivoted named it Instagram I don't remember it didn't say why they named it Instagram but that makes perfect sense um and then like kind of the thing that that really set them apart was it had to now we think the filters are completely ridiculous but back then when you were taking pictures on iPhone 4 I think they said was right around when that happened um cameras weren't great so like black and white and sepia made you seem like this like pro photographer to everybody so you're taking these quote-unquote professional looking photos with phones where cameras are starting to get really popular and sharing them really easily so yeah that's that's kind of what

it started at now we're at hey look a picture someone took oh an ad oh an ad oh an ad oh a real i don't know what that is anymore oh now a shop page yeah yeah no i i definitely that makes a lot of sense i i do remember like so if i was pitching that i'd be like it's like flickr but like you can only upload from your phone and we we hide your very poor photography skills with filters uh no yeah that that that whole instagram light thing i've seen versions of that. Like there is Android Lite phones. The focus is definitely on bandwidth,

so they're trying to reduce how much internet usage you are needing to properly run that experience. And having a Lite version for those markets makes a lot of sense. But also it does sound pretty great to have just a good old-fashioned throwback Instagram. Yeah, so if anyone's, the XDA developer developers article that I read about this, um, does claim in the end, you can sideload it like any other Android app. Um,

neither of us have tried obviously because Marquez just learned about it 10 seconds ago. Um, but I'll link the article in the show notes if anyone wants to give it a shot. Honestly, if it was pretty easy, I, I would debate doing it. That sounds fantastic. But all right. Want to take a break? Yeah, let's take a break. We'll come back and we'll talk about way too much research in FlexPy2 and some other stuff. We'll be right back. This is an ad from BetterHelp. This holiday season, do something for a special person in your life. You.

Give yourself the gift of better mental health. BetterHelp Online Therapy connects you with a qualified therapist via phone, video, or live chat. It's convenient and affordable and can be done from the comfort of your own home. Having someone to talk to is truly a gift, especially during the holidays. Visit BetterHelp.com to learn more and save 10% off your first month. That's BetterHelp, H-E-L-P.com. and they've made incredible strides forward, breaking down stigma, improving access to care, and pioneering research breakthroughs. But now is the time to aim even higher. You can help create a world where no one is left behind.

Donate at camh.ca slash donate now from December 23rd to the 31st, and your gift will be tripled for three times the impact. You know what's great about ambition? You can't see it. Some things look ambitious, but looks can be deceiving. For example, a runner could be training for a marathon, or they could be late for the bus. You never know.

Ambition is on the inside. So that thing you love, keep doing it. Drive your ambition. Mitsubishi Motors. All right, we're back. Let's talk about folding screens for a second. Yeah. Folding screens.

Not something we talk about very often here. Well, I talk about, I like to categorize it as this world of alternate form factors. So it's more than just folding screens, but most of them are folding. I think I toss LG Wing in there because there's a swiveling phone and there's some other stuff happening. But folding phones, rollable phones, what's the right way to do this new flexible screen thing? Maybe that's what it is, flexible screens.

And I think when I got the Royal FlexPai 2, I was thinking like, I don't know if I'm gonna do a video about this phone. It's not that great, but it is pretty different from the first one. And in fact, the more I played with it, the more I was impressed that, hey, they changed a lot. They really, like, it's still bad, but they did a lot of good stuff here. They did. When the first one's so bad, it definitely is easy, but you still have to give them credit because they wildly changed it. Exactly. And so that conclusion that I came to in my head of, they changed a lot and this is very much improved and it's still terrible and I would never

recommend it, got me thinking, got the gears turning a little bit about maybe folding it on the outside is just not the move. And the more I see it and the more I think about it, it seems like that is the absolute hardest way to do a folding screen. Now, there are great arguments for why that's the way we should do a folding screen. I don't want to ignore those because if you look at, obviously, having a screen on the outside and a screen on the inside, that's two screens versus one. If you can just have one aspect ratio, big inside screen and focus on that experience and then fold it in half and end up with like a pretty decent size outside screen. That's probably easier and better if

the technology is good enough, but the technology is not good enough. No. And I don't think we're anywhere near the technology to be able to do that. Right. I agree with you. I think folding outside, like the Huawei Mate x is still one of the coolest looking i'm gonna call it a concept because i'm still convinced nobody has really had time to use that phone outside of like a huawei employees staring over their shoulder i have not seen one in person yet we have not and i'd like to say you usually have a pretty solid chance of getting um pre-release tech to check out. Yeah, usually there's a shot.

Yeah, so it looks great. The problem is these screens are so fragile that even with Fold 2, Flip 2, Razer, we're still seeing super, super delicate screens that are breaking fairly easily. I mean, like, not everyone is breaking, but when you compare it to all the other phones that are out there, they're breaking far more common. And those are protected when they're in your pocket.

Now, imagine just having that folded out, dealing with your pocket, dealing with placing on a table. You can't really put a case on it. So it's just... Yeah, it's just exposed all the time. And yeah, it's just not ready. Here's the other thing I noticed, and this is how you know it's not ready, is every folding phone has some sort of trick

to getting it to fold and to not have you notice that it's not folding flat. So when you fold a piece of paper in half, it's flat, you can literally crease it, you can fold it completely in the opposite direction, and that would be awesome. Folding screens can't do that. There are several layers thick, there's protective layers over the top, you can't fold them completely flat in half. So what you have to do is sort of create this curve where it's not quite folded in half but maybe the the two edges on one side are touching and they i'm trying to like almost like a mushroom

like it comes up the stem and then bubbles out makes a bulb yeah a bulb yeah so all of these phones have to do something to avoid folding flat so if if you look at the Razor, when you fold the Razor in flat, the pieces you're touching, they fold over flat. But if you look inside the Razor when it's folding, it's like shifting the screen down into the chin and it's pushing the display backwards a little bit so it's making that bulb so you don't go flat. Same thing with the Galaxy Fold.

It's doing, if you look at like a cross-section version of it, that screen when you fold it flat is curving around inside the hinge instead of folding flat. So this fold word we use is maybe a little bit misleading because none of them are folding. They're just curving at a really tight radius. Now, when you fold around the outside, there's nowhere to hide that bulb. You have to just have the phone be that thick and as thick as the phone is, as thick as the bulb will be. So ultimately though, it's not like around the outside would never have to crease because it's always going to have the back side of the rails in between it. So I guess like ultimately it doesn't need that crease and doesn't need so much of a place to,

to protect it from creasing, but you you still have like you just have to deal with the fact that it's unprotected all the time yeah close to the elements it's like one of those things where it again ultimately in a perfect world outward folding screens probably do make the most sense there's the least sacrifice you have to make it if you can have a screen that can endure everyday life so here's that perfect world uh in the press release for the royal flex by two they described the two sides of the phone like the wings of a cicada i was like oh yeah i just i can picture a cicada the wings are pretty thin they said it's thin and light like the wings of a cicada but then i i was kind of curious like why did they pick a cicada and so you know if you look it up yes a cicada is a well-endeared animal

insect actually in china and i guess they felt the need to use that animal because it was good luck and that's cool and everything but the more i looked into a cicada the more really interesting stuff i found about this particular insect besides the fact that they come out of the ground like once every 17 years per species to make these crazy noises, besides the planet Earth clip that I watched about how they're so dumb and don't really do anything right, but there's just so many of them that they overwhelmingly fill the population of their predators

and they are no longer even wanted to be eaten anymore. Besides all of that, the wings of a cicada are one of the most unique wings in all of nature. It's similar to the wing of a dragonfly but they have these tiny nano pillars across the top of it. You can't see it by looking at it but it looks like a transparent wing and these tiny tiny pillars that totally coat the top of the wing act as a hydrophobic coating because a water droplet lands on it isn't small enough to fit in between the pillars and so it just rolls across the top of the pillars it's a sort of a waxy type substance

like rain x yeah exactly and it just rolls off the top of the wing so this thing's walking around has you know whatever you want to think about a cicada but like it rains and the the water just rolls right off the wing it gets dirt on the wing this is even cooler i think and that dirt sits on top of those wax pillars and then when water rolls across the top it just sweeps away the dirt self-cleaning method i'm like wow this is an incredible system on top of that if a tiny water droplet is small enough to get in between the wax pillars and a couple of those all sort of arrive around the same area, surface tension will adhere them together and they will pop up out of the wax pillars

because surface tension acts as a spring at that level and it just springs out and then rolls off the top. This is incredible. I'm reading all this. I'm like, yo, cicadas are amazing. Cicadas' wings are some of the coolest things I've ever seen. This natural level of protection that they have would be amazing to apply to a folding phone

like the FlexPai because then it would be that perfect world where it doesn't matter that the screen is exposed to the elements. It's got this self-healing, self-protective layer on top that makes it okay. And in that world, the fold across the outside is a great way to go. But we're not in that world yet.

Only cicadas are. Yeah. So you just need to harvest cicada wings before and we'll be good. I think some people like kind of saw the video as like being upset that we thought it wasn't. We didn't say they should like stop working on it. It's just that at a consumer level right now, it feels almost pointless to be releasing phones like this and expecting people to buy them. feels almost pointless to be releasing phones like this and expecting people to buy them because i can't think of a single person who would recommend that phone for anyone to go out and buy and again they're not cheap despite flexpi probably being some of the cheaper ones i don't

remember the exact price on them but it seems like something that should just continue in research and development stuff we should maybe see at ces to kind of show off what's happening but stuff that shouldn't really leave a bubble or ever have fingernails touch it ever. Yeah, I don't mind the attempt. In a long time. I don't mind the attempt at all. I titled the video It's Time to Stop

because I think that sort of summarized all of my thoughts about this folding out screen design. But at the same time, I wanted to give them credit because they did try something. They did improve massively on last year's version, which was great. It folded flat, unlike previous versions. They did reach out to me after the video saying that the cracking sound that I was hearing is not the way it's supposed to be.

And I don't blame them for saying that, but they also promised to send me another version that they swear won't have cracking. They said maybe something during shipping or handling caused that. So I'll confirm that if it happens, but hopefully that's not normal. That's a tough thing. I mean, like we got sent one of them and it did that. And their last one did it. Even if they send a new one, it makes me wonder. It's tough to say what the actual everyday consumer is going to get when they buy one. And like you said, it's our old one. You said in the video, like it cracked a bunch at first and then after a while it started sounding better. So maybe stuff just does stiffen up. The problem is, is I don't think these phones are going to sell a

lot. So if you decide to buy one, it's probably been on the shelf for a bit. It's going to crack. And that's the last thing you want to hear when you're spending that much money on a phone like that. Yeah, it's tough. This is with reviews. We always come across this where it's like, I can only speak to my experience. Sometimes products have like serious problems after they launch. And I'll get a bunch of tweets like, Marques, why didn't you talk about this issue they're having? It's like, well, because mine didn't have that issue. I would have loved to have had some sort of experience with something like that. And I would gladly report on it, about it when mine does have an issue then I will talk about the issue I had so that's the situation with the hinge but other than

that I'm looking forward to like the next the next fold I'm looking forward to the next Z Flip the next razor the next surface duo like there's a lot of interesting stuff happening in the alternate form factor universe did you see that article from because Android think it was Android Police? One of the reviewers over there had a Z Fold 2 and they started getting this pretty bad bubble. I shouldn't say pretty bad, very bad bubble right on the crease. They bought, I think it's like when you buy the Z Fold 2, you get entered in some sort of premium, they call it premium customer support

or something like that. That's supposed to be able to fix the screen. So he said he sent it back. I'll post the show notes, the link of this in the show notes, because it was really interesting. He sent the phone back. They attempted to fix it,

sent it back to him claiming it was fixed. He said it was potentially worse than it was before because maybe the bubble was a little smaller but like you could see instead of replacing the screen protector they just tried to push the bubble out like i've tried this with like d brand stuff and d brand's much different than that and actually you can heat it up and push bubbles out but it's not easy so i'm sure this they're just like prints on whatever tool they tried scraping into the screen so then he called them back obviously was not happy they asked him to send it back and then unfortunately ups lost

the package um the problem after that though is even with this like premiere service that you're getting he said samsung just blames ups ups blame samsung because technically they made the label so samsung's the one who has to deal with all of that and i the only way he basically got it resolved is because he has enough of a following due to being on android police that it made a little bit of a so like first of all that's an inside folding screen onto somebody who knows what they're doing obviously with phones had a problem then a big problem with customer support after that it just foldables are very very very hard to recommend right now i would almost argue i don't

think i would recommend any foldable to anyone but that's just me personally and i know yeah none of my friends i think i could trust them with a folding phone um so like that just makes the outside folding phone again to wrap this all back up i could i can't see myself recommending an outward folding phone for at least like five years yeah and there's only two really that i've ever seen it's not hard to not recommend them yeah but yeah i think uh speaking of things that are hard to recommend 550 headphones anyone what what a segue yeah i landed on that one pretty well uh airpods max are out the surprise release happened i don't remember exactly everything we talked about it in the last episode but the review is out pretty

sure yeah i've used them a lot over the last couple days, listened to them a lot, compared them a lot, and reviewed them. Basically, if you want to summarize my thoughts without watching the video, they sound great. The noise cancellation is fantastic. The transparency mode is incredible. Spatial audio is pretty cool. Build quality is very nice but also heavy and the case is stupid and i thought that is universally yeah if there are a lot of different

opinions based on them from what i've seen and everybody getting their stuff out but universally from the biggest apple fans i've seen the case is dumb and people do not like the case at all. Yeah. There was one article, I think, of someone trying to defend the case, but if you can- Who? I want to find that article. It's an interview with the people who designed the case. Okay. So, but yeah, the headphones themselves. A lot of questions about them, just about where do they fit in? What

do you even compare them to? I think at first I was tempted to compare them to like the highest end stuff, similar to the Pro Display XDR. That comes out, it's a $6,000 screen. You compare, at least Apple initially inspires you to compare it to the highest end $35,000, $45,000 reference monitors that people editing movies use. So when these headphones come out at $550 and you don't have that in-person briefing experience, to me, I'm holding my Sony XM4s. I'm like, this is the same product category. Rightfully so.

Noise-canceling wireless headphones. But I'm thinking, like, is there a Pro Display XDR version here where I should compare them to the Sennheiser HT820s or something like that? Are they gonna sound that incredible? But the conclusion I landed on is no. The Sennheisers and a lot of those reference grade headphones

that I would call studio monitors are intended to sound accurate and flat and they don't really have that many fun consumer listening features. They're built because they're plugged into a preamp and they need to sound as accurate and flush as possible. And there's a whole nother world of just fun listening headphones

that these fall directly into, and they are a luxury version of them. They're gonna be wireless, they're gonna connect to all your Apple devices, they're gonna sound fantastic, but they're also gonna be made of metal, and're going to have these magnetic replaceable ear cups and these other things like spatial audio that you don't see in all of the other headphones. And just a very strange set of checked boxes with these headphones. Once you check the box that

is made of metal, you immediately eliminate most other headphones uh i found out the the bose 700s do have an aluminum case around the outside basically they have aluminum in them but it's very thin that's the ones we have out there right yeah the 700s yeah and the beats pro that i brought up are solid metal um it feels like you're just wearing a metal they're they're terrible they're awful but you know you check that box, you immediately remove a bunch of other headphones. But even if you don't check that box, you go, okay, removable ear cups. What other headphones have quickly, easily, magnetically removable ear cups? That's a great system that they built. I don't see that very often. When you check the

box of spatial audio and instantly connects to a bunch of other Apple devices and has H1 chips, what other headphones? Check that box. That's another interesting, unique point. So basically my conclusion is no one of these things is worth $550. They're not built so well that they're worth 550 bucks. The telescoping ear cup thing that's really nicely tight, it's nice and satisfying to open and close, that's difficult to make. That requires very tight tolerances, and that's expensive.

But does that make it $550? No. You know, the H1 chip in each ear cup, the nine total microphones, the on-ear detection, all the smart features, the digital crown, does that make it worth $550?

No. It's really good. It's top of the line. It's best transparency mode I've ever heard, but I wouldn't worth $550? No. It's really good. It's top of the line. It's the best transparency mode I've ever heard, but I wouldn't pay $550 just for that. Okay, then we go to the sound quality. Is this sound so good that I immediately classify it alongside all the other $550 headphones?

Don't get me wrong. They sound very good, but I don't think the sound by itself puts it markedly ahead of the Sony's. I think they cost, they sound like about as good as the Sony's, a little bit of different character, a little bit of different noise cancellation. Maybe that's worth 50 extra bucks, but I'm not going to 550 just on the sound. But all of this stuff put together, all of this combined, the removable ear cups, the Apple compatibility, the ecosystem, all this stuff, for some people, that is worth the luxury price. It's like you're getting diminishing returns after

a certain point. When you have things that a bunch of them are in the same category, so you think of QuietComforts, you think of XM4s, they're all doing a bunch of things really well, and they're all really, really close to each other. So Apple had to, you know, they're all doing a bunch of things really well, and they're all really, really close to each other. So Apple had to, you know, they're headphones. They're supposed to sound good. They're supposed to connect wirelessly. They're supposed to have good noise canceling. It's a really well-defined category. It's a mature category. You have generations of these Bose headphones that have been industry standard for flying on planes. You see them all the time. The Sonys have broken in, and basically, it's what you're saying. It's like, they've got a sound good noise cancellation,

comfortable and multiple device support. And that's all anyone cares about. So Apple had to find a ton of different things to place inside of it to make all these little tiny everyday use cases just like that little bit better and i guess in their eyes and potentially some people's eyes that's worth an extra 200 250 bucks compared to the other things i think that category is very small i don't think there's a lot of people who think these are for the masses headphones yeah so this is this is my hot take because i think anytime apple comes out with a new tech anything new product immediately we oh, it's made by Apple. It's supposed to be for everyone, right?

Because this is a company that makes the iPhone and the MacBook Air and like all these products. And AirPods. I think AirPods are like some of the most revolutionary like music listening devices in a very long time. Right. So as soon as Apple comes out with a product that's obviously not for the masses, but it's still made by Apple, all the comparisons are wow this is overpriced or this isn't for you and this is this is bad stuff like the

Mac Pro you know all the articles about how Apple made a hundred thousand dollar computer or the I mean the stupid wheels or the pro display XDR costing too much all this stuff but my hot take is this this pair of headphones is actually one of their better ideas for a new product because I think if they did try to make a $350 pair of headphones to slot right in that very well-defined category of like, let's say Apple just made the Sony XM4s but with an H1 chip and could connect to multiple devices,

I think people would immediately go, hmm, I mean, I and could connect to multiple devices. I think people would immediately go, hmm. I mean, I don't, first of all, I think if they made that product, it would cost more than the Sonys because of the Apple tax. I think they'd go like $499 with something like that, and people would all just go buy the Sonys. It's the same thing. But I think Apple sees that well defined category and doesn't jump right into the deep end, they sort of steer a little bit wide and make something that doesn't have a comparable. Like you can put any single other pair of headphones up against it and there's always just missing check boxes. You put them up against the Sennheiser HT650s or something like that. It's like, uh, maybe there's removable ear cups and the

sound is just as good, but also they're wired and they're open back and it's just different. Put them up against the Sonys and it's like, well, apples are made of metal and apples of very different sound and apples of much better transparency mode. It's just not quite the same thing. So I think it's smart of them not to jump in right next to Surface headphones, Bose 700s, XM4s, and make something that sort of carves its own path and then later down the road when they make the airpods max light se airpods airpods max se yeah their naming scheme screwed that but yeah their naming scheme makes me wonder if there's going to be a product around there though so i think there will be i think i almost i almost went into this in the video about how this is kind of

like the Tesla strategy, but basically they start off with something really high-priced. We've seen this exactly happen with HomePod. $350 for a speaker that's entirely focused on sound. We've been proving for years that people don't pay extra for great sound quality. The masses don't anyway.

So this is not a product for the masses. But they build their reputation there, and then, what was it, a year and a half later, for great sound quality. The masses don't anyway. So this is not a product for the masses. But they build their reputation there, and then, what was it, a year and a half later, we got HomePod Mini, 99 bucks. Everyone goes, oh, HomePods, those are the things that sound really good. I can get one now.

And they just immediately have that reputation built in. So now what do you think's gonna happen when the AirPods Max SE come out in a year or two? Everyone's gonna go, oh, I can get Apple's high quality over over ear headphones now for cheap that's what it's going to look like it does like i would i think take like imagine an xm4 in apple's ecosystem with h1 chip multi-device support stuff like that that sounds fantastic yeah um i mean like trying to what do you knock off of airpods max you don't do replaceable ear cups what will the new version cheaper have yeah like what what do you take away

from airpods okay max to be that 300 350 doesn't have removable ear cups yep doesn't get made of metal i think that's a pro i still think they're way too heavy. I would not want to wear those for a long amount of time. I think that's true. I don't think I could wear those on a long flight. Yeah. I've obviously not flown with them. I haven't, but I have sat around the house with them for like three hours straight and I was surprised at how comfortable they were. Now, I wasn't doing a lot of moving or like shaking my head or anything like that, but only thing that happened was their over ear and my ears got a little hot, but that was three hours. So I was impressed with that.

But yeah, I think you definitely get a plastic version. And they'll probably say, you know, look at these new colors from the plastic. Basically, we have all the iPad Air colors with the AirPods Max. So we'll probably get plastic versions and some new colors. No removable ear cups. And I'll say $249.

That's like right at XM4. I think people, an extra $50, an extra $100 even potentially, if you just get the benefits of H1 chip and just in the Apple ecosystem, would be worth it, I think. There's so many products that I want Apple to make. AirPods Pro 250?

They are. Yeah, I think it'd have to be a little more than those. 299 maybe. 299, yeah. I think 3, 350 is a good spot for those. I think a lot of people would kill for those. Like you said, this is probably not a device that's meant to explode their profits.

Because what? Didn't AirPods and AirPods Pro themselves make more than like, weren't they like the 10th highest? If you put them in their own business, they would have been like the 10th highest grossing technology company. Yeah, which is crazy. Insane. Insane profits from AirPods. But I think generally this strategy that Apple can pull off as a luxury company is, I think it translates pretty well. I think it's going to work for headphones and I think they're going to make new ones. And I think

if you just map this to any other product category you wish Apple made, they probably would be totally comfortable doing the same thing. Like if Apple made a toaster, their first toaster would easily be a memeable $700 all metal, super thin, no buttons, like toaster with an H1 chip that plugs into the HomeKit app. Like it would be the ultimate toaster in every way. They'd redesign coils so you didn't even see them. You just slot it in this metal thing and it would be the ultimate toaster in every way they'd redesign coils so you didn't even see them you just slotted in this metal thing and it would heat the metal it would just be this crazy thing and it would get memed and there would be some one or two things that are really stupid about it and would have problems and then two years later they would make a price like a still very premium priced version that inherits the reputation of the technology developments of the more expensive one.

I think that's the key. And then they end up putting out a $150 toaster, which is still an expensive toaster, but that has a lot of that stuff that you were looking forward to. That's like the Apple strategy. Boil down to a toaster. There you go. We'll see if that happens i was uh i was thinking as we were writing this um if caviar were to make airpods max what what would be the special thing about it i think they do they make an airpods pro sorry yeah the max oh boy well they would take the

uh could you imagine how heavy they would be? They're going to be solid gold. They already make some heavy iPhones. The iPhones have to be triple the weight, I feel like. Yeah, something like that. They're insane. So these are already... The AirPods Max are like 100 grams more than the Sony.

So Sony's were 200-something grams. AirPods were 380? 386 grams, yeah. It was like a 30% increase in weight. This would be like your neck would get a workout if you had to wear them. Some heavy cans. My initial thought was Tim Cook's,

a lock of hair from Tim Cook's head as an Apple logo in the side. I think they would gotta do Craig first. Craig, oh Craig's hair. They're doing hair. Yeah, true. If we're doing hair, we do Craig. They're I think they've got to do Craig first. Craig? Oh, Craig's hair. They're doing hair. Yeah, true. If we're doing hair, we do Craig. They're doing hair.

You've got to hit Craig up first. Shout out to Craig for being on the podcast. He's such a good sport about it. Yeah, no, that could be a thing. That's it. I just picture them like dipping parts of it in gold. Like it's already made of metal, but like just dip the ear cups in gold. Dip the removable cushions in gold so they're not even soft anymore.

They're just rock solid gold ear cushions. There you go. That's your idea, Caviar. Cool. Free. There we go. Like us again. Just kidding.

We don't care if you like us or not. Please. It's fine. Maybe that's a good place to end it, talking about a toaster made by Apple and some solid gold headphones. We got one more episode coming up by the end of the year and hopefully you guys are staying tuned for that but also a lot of the end

of the year stuff the best stuff of december is like right around the corner you already know about smartphone awards you already know about the end of the year stuff and then the the early 2021 stuff around the corner so stay tuned for that on the channel show notes we've got all the stuff we talked about lots of stuff this time yeah that's that's pretty much it thanks for listening catch you guys next week waveform is brought to you in part with studio 71 and our intro outro music was created by cameron barlow