Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Ces 2026 Actually Has Some Bangers

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

We're back! After a nice long holiday break we're back with 2.5 hours of complete chaos. We start off with a few quick updates before getting into everything from the new Pickle AR glasses that were announced to holograms and the Clicks communicators. Then we make our predictions for what we think is going to happen this. Enjoy! Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Links: 9to5Google - Pixel at a glance toggle off Notebookcheck - Zenfone is no more Pickle Glasses Verge - Lego smart bricks Verge - UGreen AI NAS Engadget - 41-inch inkposter Verge - Corsair streamdeck keyboard Verge - Razer AI hologram Verge - Samsung timeless frame Ultrasonic's chef knife Clicks Power Keyboard and Communicator This episode brought to you by: Framer - www.framer.com/wave Rubrik - www.rubrik.com Shopify - www.shopify.com/wave Zapier - www.zapier.com/wave Music provided by: Epidemic Sound Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And this is also like among all the AI and like overpromising and random crap that we see at CES. Like this is just a real thing that is just great. This is great. Specifically said there is no AI in this product. that all. Yeah, what is up? People of the Internet. Welcome back to another episode of the Wayform podcast.

We're your host. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. First episode of 2026. It's good to be back. It's really good to be back. And since we took the last week of the year off, there's actually a ton of stuff to talk

about. So much. And it's CES. So we have plenty of that. We also have an AR glasses startup that's, In a bit of a pickle. Wait. Wait. Adam's got it.

Thank you. Sorry, I'm a little rusty. CES, of course, but also we're going to wrap it up with some 2026 predictions because it's the first episode of the year. And we like to do that sort of stuff. It's been like two weeks since we got our first, but first. But first, Ellis. Someone asked for my battery percentage.

What's your battery? What's your battery percentage now? My battery percentage is 41%. But not for the reason. you think what happened else yeah what's going on over there seen from my Instagram slash Reddit but what is it pause for dramatic effect this guy this purple guy were you sitting on that he's laid to rest he's the iPhone mini people yeah I phone 12 mini no case purple finish 64 gigabytes she's done no longer

we now have oh the silver 17 you got the right you got the exact correct you got the exact correct model. It's beautiful. This is a massive change for you. It's crazy how much I missed. I jumped five generations of iPhone in one go. This is what it's all about. You wait as long as you possibly can to your phone is on its dying breath. It's crazy. I have, dude, I am downloading apps like nobody's business. I think of an app. I'm walking to the street. I'm like the Target app. I shop at Target on my phone now. It's crazy, you guys. What is the, So you're at 46% because you didn't charge it over now? Because I never need to charge this phone.

I'm never charging it. I swear. And then it's beautiful. It's beautiful. I go to sleep with it in my hand, wake up. There's still like 50% battery life left. Fall asleep, washing reels. I'm on the same.

This is a tangent, but I haven't charged the one plus 15 cents this year. It's at 52%. Because I just don't charge it. No, it's sick. You go over to your girlfriend's house and you're like, I left a phone charger at home. Doesn't matter. Who cares? Literally, who cares?

Hot take. But your girlfriend doesn't have a USBC charger? Doesn't matter if she does or doesn't. I didn't even ask. Not even worried. Yeah. All right. Just to open the camera?

You don't deserve that phone. How long is... So camera control was really nice for the first two weeks, I would say. I just used it to open the camera. Same. Yeah, so I actually have it set to open the Moment Pro camera, which the slide. doesn't interact with. Smart.

In the actual Apple camera app, I use it all the time, though. And I have it, because you know how you can order the, you can turn on or off different things that controls. Yeah. And then you can also change what it controls by default and the order of the options in the menu. And once you have that tuned, because I'm always changing the exposure of the Apple camera app.

I had to do tone, and I just thought I was going to use that all the time and then I just stopped using it. Oh, I love it. I'm a camera control demon. Wow. Okay. Yeah.

Action button? I'm kind of so-so on. Wow. Oh, just wait. I just haven't found a thing that I'm like... I would like to start the countdown timer until this flips. Yeah? Where you're an action button demon and you're like, I'm kind of done with camera control.

I just kind of point and shoot and the photos are all pretty good. But action, oh, I can't live without the action button anymore. Really? What is your action button set to? It opens my to-do list app. Formerly was opening my camera app, but there's just so many ways to open a camera. Yeah, that's true. I got to say I haven't used my.

my action button in a while. It is tied to Gemini voice mode. That's why. And I just don't use that very much anymore. Yeah. Are any of you shortcuts people? No. That is what the action button is for.

Whatever Apple gave you, ignore it. Just make it shortcuts. That's a good take. It's just shortcuts aren't that good yet. We all know what the iPhone 17 Pro is. We did a review on it. What broke the camel's back? What she?

Yeah, like, we've been, wait for the full. We've been doing this for like two years of when are you going to upgrade it? No one's asked you the question of like, why? It was, there was something. Let's see, it was the end of the year. It was cold. Yeah.

We were about to go on break. The battery is even worse when it's cold. I hadn't gotten sick yet. I was like sick all the whole holidays. There was some, I don't remember. There was something where like I needed to do something or that was like only in an app and my phone just like would not download it or like it was the thing. Because, like, the, I think I've mentioned this much times, but the biggest problem with the 12 mini in its current state was that the digitizer was so bad. It was just having so much trouble memory swapping.

And so the digitizer was always crashing. And so it was like 60% of my touch inputs would either just not register or register in a completely random wrong place. And then if any of the screen conditions changed, like, for example, like a drop of water. or a speck of dust, like, hit any part of the screen and the capacitance changed, I would have to fully lock and unlock the phone for the digitizer to, like, reset. It's like using a phone underwater. And it kind of, right? And then, like, you know what it really?

You know what it broke the camel's back, actually? It was the memory swap had gotten so bad that most of the time the lock and unlock button, it wouldn't recognize presses. Like the button itself was fine. It was that like the command was so late. And then I'd get frustrated and I'd like hit it a bunch of times, which would trigger Siri. Nope. That's the straw.

Why do you even have Siri on? And then Siri would, you know, well, Siri uses so much RAM that the memory swap would entirely fail and the phone would just crash. And so I'd be in the process of trying to lock my phone so I could put it in my pocket and end up just like fully crashing it and boot cycling it. And I was just like. And I was like. And I just realized, like, I wasn't going to make it another calendar. How do you feel about the size now that you're... You know, it's really funny.

The first week or two I had it, I was so convinced they accidentally sold me the pro max. I was like this thing is giant enormous. You should see the pro match. I kept going into my phone and like looking at the about me to be like, it's a pro. It says pro. And then I look at the box and be like, but it says phone. I'm sure it's a pro. And then I'd see someone on like a plane or on the street and be like, they're pro looks.

It looks smaller than mine I have to have the progress Funny because when I handle a regular pro I'm like this is the tiniest phone I've ever held in my life Yeah I'm totally used to it now This feels tiny and also What's really funny is they're pretty similar weights

That is funny With the unit body You know the titanium would have even been 10% lighter Did you ever play Mario Party 2 No not a million years old Wow There's a game called Dizzy Dancing

Where like all the controls are backwards Oh I do And that's what it sounds like using your 12 mini was like, just like every time you try and do something, it does the opposite. Speaking of all the controls being backwards, really quick. So I'm using a 2008 MacPro at home. Damn. Yeah. It's running macOS Yosemite.

It's almost 20 years old. It's air gaped. It can almost drink. Wait. Is Yosemite after High Sierra? No, it's before. So you're still running 32-bit apps. That's right.

Well, I'm not running any apps on that computer. But for some reason, the mouse decided that left is right. Up is still up and down is still down, but left is right and right is left. Is this a logic mouse? No, you can fix that in the settings. A magic mouse? No, it's like a default. No, it's in the MacOS settings.

When I move the mouse to the right, it goes left. They built that. No, that's in there for some reason. Are you sure? I remember, like, when you're a kid and your computer doesn't have any games and so you just with the settings and all day. I remember finding it. Because it was very normal for the last year.

And then I woke up one day and I was like, wait, what kind of mouse is this? It's literally like the cheapest, like, I think it's, what is the Best Buy, like, insignia? Oh. It's a whole, whoa. That might just be the mouse. Well, yeah, I mean, I think it,

I think something happened to the house. I knew someone who was lefty who used a righty mouse upside down in their left hand. Stop. So they clicked it with their palm? Yeah. Ew. It was a whole, anyway.

Okay, all right. Well, but I do have one more thing. Okay. I have something also. Oh, great, because we went a long time without our one. Yeah, yeah. None of this is on the outline, by the way. It is, no, it's literally all.

Okay, the mouse thing was. I think else was. I need to close out this by saying there were so many people that even when I teased to the fact that I got a new phone, like reached out in agony. Like the amount of comments I got that were just like, no, no, no. So. I think we should have a burial. We'll just glue it to the thing behind you. I have a framed picture of this with a halo over it in the audio room.

And then I'll probably just not charge my phone on Tuesday night. So you can still ask me what my battery percentage is. So we can keep it going. I'd have to be a degenerate somehow. That's going to be awesome. Yeah. We should just have it behind you. But I'm sorry to everyone who wanted to see my life continue to suck.

To all my haters. So I have my quick story is I finally got. the Hosselblad X2D Mark 2. Bingo. Now, you might be wondering, Marquez, how did you get it? What was going on? The long backstory is I ordered the Hosselblad X2D Mark 2

and the 35 to 100 from B&H in August of last year. So it's been six months since I placed my order. So waiting, waiting, waiting. And it says, like, yes, it's a new item. It's back order. It's in high demand. Like, we'll get to your order in the order it was received. Fine.

I get an order saying, oh, expect your order sometime in September. in this rough section of weeks. That time comes and goes. They send me another update automated saying, actually December, sometime in this span in December. I said, all right, you know what, fine. And I, you know, I had our review unit. It was fine.

I said, I'll wait. That span in December comes and goes. I get another automated email saying sometime in January. Now it's the second week of January. I'm starting to think, I don't know if I'm going to get this order from B&H or not. Maybe I should just cancel this and, you know, try Atorama or something else. Like someone else might have it in stock. I start poking around seeing who has it in stock.

On Monday of this week, I call BNH and I go, hey, I have this order in my account. You got to scroll down a little bit. It's from August six months ago. It's for this house of blood camera. Do you know anything about this order if there's any update of when I might get it? The guy pauses for a second. He goes, oh, yeah, this house of blood. Hold on, give me one second.

All quick. Oh, yeah. Looks like it just got to us today and we'll be shipping out to you tomorrow. Cap. Yeah, there's no way that happened. What? They forgot about you, Marcus. They forgot about your order.

Sure enough, yesterday it shipped, today it arrived. They forgot about your order. So, 100%, either. All you have to do is call this whole time. Either it was an unbelievable coincidence, or they have it set up to where these are very, very back-ordered. But if you don't call, they just don't prioritize you.

But if you do call, then they'll front you in the queue. And maybe if they recognize your name, they put you at the top of the list or something. But like I called and then oh yeah yeah yeah shipping tomorrow that sounded incredibly suspicious to me I guess they forgot how do you forget they've never forgotten an order from me in my life well honestly they don't even take orders on Saturdays to be fair online you can't even order something on but they've been sending me those automated back ordered please wait emails so they had it in the system it was just a matter of truthfully I would I guess I was saying I don't think they have the priority queue my guess is if it was a mistake they forgot

I actually weirdly believe that it was a coincidence. My first thought is... B&H has been so good with us. Yeah. Yeah, they're right across the river. Every time I order something, the next day it shows up. Like, if it's in stock, it shows up super fast. This is a rare, high-demand back-ordered item with, like, reviews trickling in from people

getting it. And I was just like, when am I going to get mine? And people being scared, it might not come because of the DJI ban. Yeah, Hossoplat, for those who don't know, is owned by DJI. And there's at least some sort of DJI ban on new products, but this is not a new product. It's six months old, as we. know so the band's coming up on now but the product is not new anymore so it was confusing but hey that's my update it showed up i took it out the box today so it came in it came in oh literally like

20 minutes ago i unboxed it 20 minutes ago nice he literally unboxed it and then is like all right i'm ready to pause i can walk in the room i just have to open it and look at it and be like all right it's real yes very nice very nice i have a quick thing yeah nothing personal well it's kind of personal oh it's not really that personal this happened We recorded Wednesday, like two weeks ago. This got released on Thursday. Our episode came out Friday, but we missed it. But people in our in our Discord were...

I'm upset that we didn't talk about it. They weren't upset. They were just like, look what happened, look that happened. Android QPR3 Beta 1 is allowing pixel users to toggle off at a glance on your home screen. They finally did it. Go. It's the best thing ever. Yeah, man.

This would be the biggest news of the day. I was still dailing the pixel. Yeah. There was like a, there was a Reddit post a few weeks ago that was like, why hasn't the Wayform podcast talked about you can't toggle off the Adclays? And I was like, okay, we have talked about this so many times. First of all, second of all, it is going to happen in like a week. What was that?

There was very specifically like a why didn't they talk about this and all the comments were like, Andrew. Every other week. He actually hasn't stopped talking about it. Every week. There's a counter. Yeah. Yeah.

That's incredible. Well, shout out to the Pixel Dahliers out there. All right. So it's 2026. What's happening in 20206? First item, I would consider bad news. No. But it is the ROG phone and the Zen phone are no more, at least for 2026.

They're not discontinued, but they're not going to do a new one for 2026. The headlines are great at baiting this. Pretty grim. It was like the Zen phone and ROG phone are discontinued in 2020. It's like, wait a minute. It's almost like when a player is suspended with no definitive return date. Indefinitely. Yeah, indefinitely.

It's an indefinite thing. So it's like, oh, for 2026, it's not going back. But they're not saying there is a 2027. We're just going to have to play it by year. And the Zen phone was effectively canceled. Like they made this new Zen phone ultra last year, and it was not even close to the same type of thing. So, yeah, down goes that. Dongo's R-O-G phone, right as they were kind of becoming a mainstream phone.

They were kind of like taking the teeth out of it and it was sort of a gaming-ish. Maybe they just saw that the R-O-G conversion to a Normie phone did not work. Maybe that's what they were saying. It was kind of, you know how eventually every enthusiast device becomes the opposite of what you want? Yeah. It was kind of that. Like it was very much the gaming phone for a while and then they decided they wanted to sell it to more people and they kind of added a wireless charging and made the screen on the back a little smaller and a little bit softer and a little bit less aggressive

and suddenly it's just a phone. Yeah. And so those people who wanted the gaming phone didn't buy it, but people who wanted a regular phone weren't about to go get an R&G phone, so it just kind of fizzled. And now here we are. When you're for everyone, you're for no one. That's what they say. That's Vars.

I thought it was if you stand for nothing, then what will you fall for? Also bars. I'd fall for you. Nice. If everyone is good, then no one is good. No? True, yeah, I guess. Speaking of Pickles.

I'm just like, I think what I said is a real quote. All right, what happened with this pickle? Do we want to get into the pickle? This is a big thing. I am aware of the pickle situation solely by, I can't believe I said the sentence. I'm aware of the pickle situation solely by like a handful of tweets. All I've seen is first there was an announcement of a new AR headset,

glasses headset called pickle. at pickle.com. Yeah. And it had this really long, like, five-minute hype video about how this is a computer for the soul, and it was this full, you know, AR experience with this wide field of view and 12-hour battery life

and all this amazing stuff. And I'm being tagged constantly in comments about it. Oh, are you? Marquez. Marquez. Marquez. Look at this thing. This is probably not real. And so I went ahead to pickle.com

and placed my pre-order. because I'm the type of person that gives it the benefit of the doubt. I understand the, what's the opposite of that when you're like, you don't believe something? Cynical. I understand the cynical version of this, which is, this is fake, this is a scam. I don't believe anything that's coming out of these people's mouths. But I'm supposed to be giving everything a fair shot.

I'm a tech reviewer. Why go pre-order an Apple product and then not go pre-order the pickle product, which could be. Maybe because of the name. Could be awesome, right? So I watched the video. This looks really interesting. It's a technology I think would be really cool. I pre-order, right?

I give them my money. I think it's like $200. Before you get to that, do you want me to do, I have like a rundown of what their glasses are? Yeah, yeah, let me. Yeah, you can give like the high levels. I'm going to try and go pretty quick here. Sure.

Also, why it's called, do you know what it's called? No. All right. Clever, I guess. Okay, so let's see. This launched on January 1st, the video that kind of went around, and it was making its rounds on Twitter all over the place. partially because Twitter is like super optimistic about any tech that they could pretend to invest in

and also really cynical about tech because of people like Humane that just scammed a bunch of people. Um, so these glasses, they're, they're AR glasses. They call them a sole computer, whatever that means. Um, and like, the easiest way to describe them is, do you know those like silver Oakley 90s sunglasses? Yes. Like, imagine those without a bottom, like the, the, they're really sleek.

looking pretty modern they kind of have like two black boxes for some sort of sensor presumably on the side but they're very small very sleek so they claim that in this video they released they kind of do a keynote sort of keynote presentation about what they are they claim there's 68 grams they claim they have one of the widest field of views and brightness is designed for everyday life it shows examples of how it might be used maybe you're like looking at designs on or you're looking at a guitar on how to play a certain song, and it's showing the things in your field of view.

They then say it's the lightest personal computer in history. Remember that line later. And it's AI-focused, but in this way that's like, it wants to ask you questions before you would ask it questions. Yeah. So the examples they used were like your plane lands and you get your baggage and you're like walking out to the door and it's like, do you want me to call you a ride share?

or what was the other one they said oh it's like she's about to throw out this toy and it's like no look at all these pictures of blah blah blah that's their favorite toy like don't do that bad because that's parents need to AI to tell them what toy their kid's favorite is and so yeah they show like a live demo where this their big thing is all this AI is behind these like avatars which there was like a cat there was a music note there was some anime girl. There's a lot of weird things, but I don't think that was the weirdest part of it, honestly. And then they have something called PickleOS, which is a memory-based operating system where it seems along the lines of it,

like, it watches what you're doing and creates these like memory bubbles that then go to PickleOS, and then you can go to like pickle.com and go to PickleOS there. And there's this like huge web of like memory bubbles. And then the AI and that will use those as, context. Yeah. It felt...

Sounds like the rabbit OS thing. I thought it sounded like a rabbit hole. Rabbit hole. Because it would say like that movie. Yeah. I think the thing that got me about this was the idea of augmenting slash improving human life in general and doing it through something that you wear so you're always wearing it and it's always collecting information. It requires something that can last all day and actually that you wear all day. So I don't know if you saw a razor at CES. announced an AR slash AI heads set of headphones with cameras on them. And it's like they can still see what's in front of you and that you have all these experiences and it has a longer battery I've because it's headphones and all that.

But it's like I'm not going to walk around wearing massive headphones all day. So this is a pair of glasses that theoretically someone might want to actually wear all day. And so it collects your memories all day and it can help you out with the AR display in your field of you all day. which is like an interesting idea for a product yeah that's what everyone wants to do right now everyone wants to be your memory but you might also remember the the the AR glasses that I reviewed or at least showed from meta have like a three-hour battery life or something like that like there's no way those would last all day they're also a little too heavy to wear all day so pickle comes along this is a

company we've never heard of with a bunch of people we've never seen before that are claiming all these worlds firsts and a 12-hour battery life and being lighter anything we've ever seen. So it comes across really hard to believe, but it's still an interesting idea for a product. That's where I landed with it. Yeah. So it's going to be $1,400,

but there's a like early adopter, $900 or $900 pre-order right now with a refundable $200 deposit. That's me. They're claiming batch two should be out by Q4, 2026. So that's a pretty... In a year, really? Yeah.

That's optimistic. It's both optimistic and annoyingly far out. Like, I've talked about products just being announced way before they're done. Like, this is one of those things. Like, when I talk about the Neo-Robot, it was the same thing. Oh, well, we need all this data and all this AI collection and all this stuff, but we can't get that unless it's in people's homes. So we just have to announce this and then just hope it starts working and gathering info

and starts becoming good. This isn't even ready to start shipping yet. So they're announcing all these capabilities and this awesome thing. They're claiming batch ones coming out by Q. too. But I think it's very small. A couple months from now, it'll start shipping, but it's like, what do I have to base my either cynicism or optimism off of? Just the videos. Well, and that kind of becomes one of the issues here is this turns into this gigantic Twitter argument, which I don't really feel like getting into because Twitter arguments are never

worth getting into. I can summarize it pretty fast. I mean, basically what it boils down to is somebody taking all the things that they claimed and showing why that's not possible. to then the CEO of Pickle writing this manifesto-esque document, like trying to rebuttal everything. Huge tweet. Which the TLDR of all of it is there's no way you can have this battery life, there's no way you can have this type of compute, there's no way you can have this lightness to which they basically respond.

Well, yeah, but all of it is attached to your phone, which does all the computing, and that's how we can accept all of this. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what? Yep, exactly. With a cable? not a cable it is wireless but your phone is doing all the computing apparently the cameras are really low quality they're not meant for really capturing things they're meant for seeing things and context which that whole memory sphere thing makes no sense now because it

it would all it can use context but like I want to see my little bubbles and pickle OS so okay yeah I think the general sentence the general vibe that I got was this guy I forgot his name, but this guy on Twitter being like, hey, pickle people, you are overpromising. That's what he's saying. You are overpromising. And he goes through all of the ways that they're overpromising. And then I read the response, basically, from the CEO, which goes through all the ways that he's talking about how they're not overpromising. One of them was on battery life. He's like, you're overpromising. 12 hour battery life is insane. Met is getting three hours. How are you going to promise this? And the response was essentially, we are still getting like three

to four hours of active AR use on the display, but in between we are getting a longer standby life because we're using a dual chip architecture. We have a high power chip for all the AR stuff and then a low power background chip. This has been proven in wearables before. We have a low power standby mode and then we have a high power in use mode. So it's going to be able to last 12 hours because the low power chip runs in between all the air use and the mixed use will still get your three to four hours of AR. That was his response.

The other thing about overpromising was like field of view. he's like, well, how are you going to get 30 degrees of field of view if Med is only getting 20? To which the builder basically replies, just because Meda's done 20 doesn't mean 30 is impossible. Well, fine. And to be fair, the guy said 30 is possible, but it just doesn't seem like with the specs and lightness and everything that they're using, it does not seem possible. And so basically it just kind of goes down the list one by one of this guy going, you're overpromising, and then the CEO going, well, we're making it.

So that's going to have to be the proof. actually shipping what they claim. But the one thing that seems the most disputed is their website and a lot of the claims in the videos used to say that this was a standalone device where you just buy the glasses and they do the thing. And now their website and a lot of the claims sort of rest on the fact that this is actually not a standalone device. It relies on your phone. It connects to your phone. You use this phone for your setup and then it constantly uses the phone for a lot of other things. That's the main thing that I think they're caught with that they have to admit now. Great. Well, because in the video, they never claim it connects to a phone.

He calls it a personal supercomputer multiple times. And then, like, he on the website, this is the original thing. It said, do I need a smartphone to use Pickle 1? It says, Pickle 1 is a standalone device, but pairs with PickleOS app on iOS and Android for initial setup, data management, and granular privacy control. So like, he infers that it does not need your phone after you set it up. But then his way of explaining, yeah, like that it needs. needs, or his way of explaining how it can do so much of this stuff on a long battery life and be so light is because so much compute is coming from your phone. And now they've gone,

there's this weird bet they have going on with it. It's all, don't read it. It's not worth it. But like on the camera thing though that you mentioned, which is interesting. He, he talks a lot in that huge tweet about how much power and how much extra hardware it takes to do high quality video and photo recording like the metaglasses do. Like everyone uses that for first person video, those big heavy sensors and all the compute for processing to do that are not in this. This is like a low-powered, a low-res camera that has enough information to see what's going on in front of you, but isn't like a high-quality recording for your memory. This is also a standout about why this video felt weird, because at a point in it,

it claims to do a live demo, which you would assume is coming, because he's doing it in front of the cameras, and then it's showing his point of view seeing the cameras. but the quality is fairly good coming from it, which basically proves that it's not a live demo. Didn't he admit that everything in the video was done in After Effects? Oh, did he?

I missed that. Okay, so that's not a live demo. Yeah, you can't... Which is the thing is like you can't... It's very difficult to record what you would actually see in a way that replicates like what the human eye would. Which is why when we did the meta-glasses,

we used an overlay, and then we had to take a separate recording and then overlay the UI over the recording. It was like a whole thing. But on the others, but he's using the, it makes it seem like he's using the cameras from the glasses to look forward

and then they would overlay with After Effects. I don't think he's even using those cameras because the quality was higher great than what he's claiming. Yeah, a lot of misleading stuff in that demo. It's a million red flags. Yeah, yeah. It just seems like everyone is trying to figure out

the way to make the right context computer. And I can, if it is actually like low resolution video that you don't really need to watch, but it just gets context about your life, that's what they're trying to do here. But it is confusing and misleading when all of the assets on the website, all of the assets that they post on Twitter are these videos that show this like high quality like, oh, here's all this data coming in on the side. And it's this video of your life. And the PiccoloS website shows you your actual memories of your kids and everything you're doing. And that's just not what it's doing. I think I guess the challenge is trying to illustrate what the human eye will see.

Right. So the human I will see high quality real world and then an overly on top of it. Right. But the captures from the cameras will not be high quality. Which is fine. Which is fine, but they're not distinguishing that. They're just making a pretty video. And it makes the Pickle OS website a little confusing because like what are you at,

when you have those memory bubbles, what are you actually going to see? So I think it wants to be the context for the, the AI chatbot in there of that it can then use the context of your life. Yeah. But when I first see that, I think to myself like, whoa, I can see all these memories, which I can, but they're just going to be in very low quality. Have you tried the OS on the website? I don't know.

It says like sign up with your Google account and then I didn't really know what to do with it because I don't have anything to do. There's one other Twitter response kind of where apparently in November they had had a like really, really small event where you could like a demo event. Yeah. And so somebody had responded to an old tweet of someone saying they were there. And the person who was there named Will said the demo didn't work and the displays were not in the units. Daniel Park, the CEO says, I'm sorry, it didn't work for you.

It did work for about 90% of the participants. And then the guy responds, 90% is definitely a stretch for the demo day feedback. I went with a group of four people out of 30 participants. One of my friends arrived early. The other three of us arrived later. The demo route had like 15 people and I didn't meet a single person who could share an experience trying it out. And then he says not a huge issue. You guys are moving fast, super excited.

So. But it just feels weird that he's like, oh, it was a network issue why it wasn't working early on. But like everyone else got it to work. And he was like, but I was the one later. And it just didn't have displays in it. Yeah. Those early demos are cooked. Same thing with Rabbit, right?

This is like. Those old days of rabbit demos. Yeah. Yeah. That just did not work because they're like, we're doing it live. It looks like the, so you can try the website, which I guess is just trying it without actually using anything, but there's no memories. You have to, you connect your Gmail, your Google Calendar, your Slack, your Notion,

your Chat, J-G-T, your Claude, your Granola, your Fireflies, your Fathom, your T-LB. It has a bunch of third-party connections you can do, like to be part of the context of your life. Yeah. At least they figured that out early. Maybe. You know what I mean? Or it's all on the website.

That's the sad part about all of this is I actually, I kind of like the idea. of like thinking about what could the post smartphone personal computer be and all of these early examples we're seeing are all pretty bad like if you go all the way back to the humane pin which is trying to be a post smartphone

personal computer with AI context awareness blah blah or even the rabbit or even the whatever other stuff I have on my desk that I bought that I haven't tried yet which is like a personal assistant that you wear on your neck like a necklace or these glasses man I need you to try the friends like the most impressive tech demos I've seen have been from the

meta ones because of the literal field of view and image overlaid over the real world. Like that was pretty cool. But still, like, I don't want to wear those every day. It's kind of heavy. It only has it through our battery life. So at this point, it's still only just been interesting slices of, like, how that world could look. Just, oh, what if it was glasses?

Oh, what if it was a pin? Oh, what if it was a necklace? Oh, what if it had really cool displays? And I think we're going to see a Google thing, maybe, like, smart glasses this year. Like, we're going to start to slowly see bigger companies try more and more complete products and I still have a little bit of cynicism from the old stuff but I'm trying to be optimistic I'm trying to give it a chance give it a fair shot so when the complete product does come along I'll be right what if it was your phone well I was just where I'm at the supercomputer and like all

those examples was still just your phone I ended the humane video with like the smartphone is so good it's it's OPE it fits in my pocket it's kind of like if we didn't have smartphones we would be trying to invent something that we could just like slide in our pocket and we take out this little box that has cameras and supercomputers and an internet connection and an awareness of everything you do and who you talk to. Yeah. And then you've trumpled it back up and put it in your pocket. Yeah.

It's so open. I just think that like people do not want to have to use and wear additional stuff that they wouldn't already be using in their daily life. Yeah. The wearing is hard. The reason that the meta glasses make a lot of sense is because you're just buying raybans and then you use them and then they have additional properties. You charge them sometimes.

Yeah, you charge them. And people use, they use sunglasses. If you're, you get the ones that have prescriptions. They're just smart, regular glasses. Like, that makes the most sense. The pins and stuff make less sense because people don't want to keep sticking an additional product on themselves every day. I feel like I would almost argue the opposite that a pin as a non-glasses wear, I don't want to wear fake glasses during the day. That becomes the, the question is like if you don't have glasses, like how does it work?

Which I think a lot of people don't have glasses. We're all not f***ing nerds. So I think a big. Right out the womb, 2020. Look at me. I mean, I do, but, you know. So, I don't know. These are very high fashion.

And in a way, I'm like, it would be better for them if they were more mass market, but then they wouldn't stand out as much because there are a lot of smart glasses that are just black box glasses. Now, these look sick, bro. Picture walking down the street wearing these sipping a sobi water. That's what I mean. Yes. Honestly, yes. With your rollerblades.

Yeah. These things like dope as well. In New York City, this would work. This would bang for sure. All the videos are of the aluminum like silver version. There is a black version, which looks a little less, less hype, standoutish. I have a question. Speaking of the videos.

Yeah. Yeah. If this had more realistic videos and pictures showing what you can expect, do you think people would have reacted as badly? Because I think a lot of the marketing departments of these startups are trying to like do Apple like keynotes and demos. Where if they were just, like, honest with, like, this cool new technology we're working on, I think people would still be excited about it. So I would say it depends on what you mean by more realistic. So I do agree, like the over present, like the super almost pretentious vibe of a lot of these is really a put-off for a lot of people.

So even if you do kind of like the product, you don't want to buy into it because it seems so silly. But a more realistic demo of a theoretically perfect version of a future version of your product is kind of this already. like kind of the same as I don't know trying to what's a realistic version? I was thinking of this is like he's he went on and tweeted a bunch about how they're this like really small team that's actually just working in like his garage

which is okay yeah every single SF company ever did that but like if this was just some videos of literally just like the team and a bunch of toolboxes in a garage the demo thing was like in the garage so like if that's what it was instead of this like super pretty They had like dolly cameras and everything and they're making it like really intense

Like an all black suit and he was just like hey this is something we're working on We're calling it pickle if you want to be in early it It's it felt more Kickstarter then yeah I think it's because Inherently these videos have to sell a whole bunch of people on being an early adopter and getting in and helping to make the product Actually be good Yeah And so yeah this is the this is because the product can't be good without people being sold on the vision It's almost like I'm gonna

get so much crap for this. It's like Bitcoin. Like, Bitcoin is, is useless. It's useless, but if enough people believe, then that actually makes it potentially useful, and then a bunch of people will go, oh, I'll just all money, baby. Like, if I'm a vendor who doesn't accept Bitcoin, I will not accept Bitcoin until enough people believe in Bitcoin and want to pay me with Bitcoin that it makes no sense for me not to accept Bitcoin. So there needs to be some movement of people excited about the thing that's useless. I mean, it's kind of the reason that everyone was getting mad at you for like, you know, saying this product does not exist and you're hyping all this stuff.

And then everyone came out of San Francisco saying like, well, the product doesn't start good. It will get good, but people have to believe in it. And it's like, okay. It's like Santa. It's just that we exist in a different era. What do you mean? Wait, what does that mean? Santa.

Santa's real. You have to believe. Oh, okay. We just exist in a different era. where because all software is ever evolving and you don't buy finished versions of anything ever, people's expectations, even when they're building stuff now, is like, oh, we're going to ship a 1.0. We're going to improve it over time. Yeah.

And then because of that, they need to get people to buy it, but like they can't. Yeah. This is an ad is the bottom line. There's a reason that every single launch on Twitter is like a little trailer, movie trailer now. Because that's the way that marketing has changed is they have to like make it seem really, really high quality and done so that people actually buy it so that they can make the product. It's crazy that we have to be like our launch has to make it look like this is real. Yeah. We have to sell you on the future years later version that's actually good, which is only possible if you believe us.

And you all get in now. And they already got money. I don't know how much their funding was, but it's like picture, you already. got the funding why do you need to secure why because those because those people need the money back yeah I mean they're already they are working with Qualcomm officially Sasha Segan that is on the snap dragon team tweeted that they are working with them so they do have the money and Qualcomm will not work with you unless you got money yeah they so they clearly got funding oh so

remember this is gonna sound crazy because normally I'm the one who's like sound of the alarm. This product's not real. It's not coming out. But I was thinking about when we went to California to try the Orion glasses, you remember? And I remember that was a product demonstration that really felt like ground floor. You know, you were wearing these kind of awkward wires and it was kind of like bloomy and the resolution was bad. And they sat us down with these engineers who were so open about all the problems they had to like overcome to make that thing work. And then we got to try it and it did work. And it really felt like this experience of like, wow, this is a really hard space to build in. This is something that's going to require a consider amount of effort,

knowledge, and money. And it's really cool to get to see the ground floor. And then two, well, and then two weeks later, we tried the snap spectacles, the snap spectacles. And they were way better in every single way. And I remember talking to the person. in some ways. What ways were they not better? They're way bulkier, and the field of view is so much work. Like, it was like really bad field of view. I remember the resolution on the snap one had better resolution.

It had better resolution. And the colors were better. And even though they were definitely bulkier, I didn't find them bulky. The field of view is so bad. I want to bring them in. But was it that much worse than the Orion? It was like everything was getting cut off. I couldn't play a game of something in front of me because my peripherals were

completely cut off. I tried to play a golf game. I remember coming away from that and talking to the Snap representative and being like, you know, we just talked to the Meta Boys. And they said that they had to overcome all of these really difficult problems. And it doesn't seem like you guys are having those same problems. You just showed us this really great product. And he was essentially like, yeah, skill issue.

Well, remember when the Snapchat guy came, he specifically said, the reason that is hard for meta is because they care about Field of View. we think that field of view is not going to matter. I do remember that. And that's why we went with high resolution in a smaller field of view. And we believe that they're like chasing the wrong problem. Whereas Meta fully believes

that field of view is the most important thing. Which I would, I kind of am in Meta's court. I did feel right. I just remember leaving that, that whole, you know, too. Me neither. I hate myself. Sorry.

Yeah, go ahead. The worst person you know makes it. I just remember coming away from. that whole experience, you know, being like, I have no idea how this stuff actually works. And I don't know what is difficult and what is easy. So when I saw the pickle thing, I was like, I'll wait and see. Yeah. I will say to the, to meta's credit, like, we see all these really polished pretty ads on Twitter and we're like, oh, this doesn't seem very realistic. But if you remember when Zuck went on stage with the Orion prototype, it was like, there's a thing we're working on.

It's not a finished product, but like, this is how far we've gotten so far and we have a long way to go. And we're not selling it yet. That's about what I would hope to see from like an honest presentation of the thing that's not going to be sold. Well, yeah, that's when he was like, we're not selling this yet. It's at least a year out. And then they did a live demo with the Rayband displays that famously went horribly wrong. Really poorly. So, you know, to met his credit. It hurts to say. But, you know, they gave a very fair expectation of what the actual product was when it was shipping, how much it was going to cost. And what it can do. And, you know, know, to be fair, they can do that because they don't need funding. They have unlimited money.

Whereas all these other companies need a lot of funding, so they have to lie to you, basically. And I don't believe that these things are not going to come out. I think they're going to come out. I just think that they're kind of going to be like the humane AI pin where the actual experience is horrible. Until like some theoretical down the road future version could maybe be better. Which probably won't happen because not a lot of people are going to buy in if the initial product is bad. Yeah. I guess this lands on that place that we always land on with this stuff. which is don't buy a product based on the promise of future updates. If the product is good enough at launch, that should be the thing you're comfortable buying.

The hardest part for you and for me is to figure out how good the product actually is in the face of all the ads that we're seeing that seem to paint it as this amazing thing. That's why reviewers exist. That's why we're going to show you how good the product actually is. Don't buy the product based on the promise of the future. Yeah. There's a bit of a paradox because the second gen is always way better. than the first gen and is usually cheaper. But in order to get to a second gen,

it requires people to buy the first gen. It requires people to buy the first gen. Yeah. Which is usually based on the early adopter tax, except there's just so many products coming out that are bad now that not even early adopters want to spend their money on this thing. I mean, you know what this kind of reminds me of complete tangent? But Walt Disney, when he was launching the theme park,

hyped up the building of the theme park on ABC for like two years with a bunch of episodes. And then the day that it opened, there was a bunch of problems with the park, but people that went still really enjoyed it. And it, like, exploded in popularity. And that's kind of what we need more of in tech, like things like that. Like, show me the process of building it so that I could get excited about it. That way, when the product comes out, even if it's not, like, the best thing ever, I understand where we are. I understand. Like, I'm an educated person.

This is what I'm saying. Like, everyone on Twitter is doing, is doing your expectation should be up here. And then reality is going to be way down here. I would love if someone went on Twitter and they were just like, this is what we have. It's, you know. But like, when they were building Disneyland, that was when you could actually watch someone.

Like, no one's going to have fun watching like a 12-part YouTube series where it's like co-pilot, make AR glasses now. Yeah. I would love that. I think the hardest part is making a product that you can sell that is already good enough that people at least like it. Like getting to the point of like working on Disneyland for two years to the point where it's not done yet, but it's still enjoyable to people. That is very meaningful that it was actually still enjoyable to people.

Getting the product that you launched to actually be good enough to be enjoyable will get people to stick around for the ride for it to get better. It makes me think about pebble because, number one, when they relaunched all the pebbles, it was just the same pebble from like 15 years ago with, you know, and it's slightly better in different ways. And then when they launched the ring a couple weeks ago, you could buy it then. It was $75. It's shipping, like, soon. So, like, it was already completed product. You know what you're getting. Eric went on and said, this is exactly what it does.

He wasn't making any promises for what it could do in the future. I feel like I would love if more companies launch products like that. Yeah. Yeah. Lower expectations. It's 2026. We could see some of that. Come on, baby.

There's also a rumor that they paid $1.2 million for pickle.com. Worth it. Just like, not worth it. Yeah, just like friend. This is why that's my biggest red flag is stop spending so much money on a website. Did they ever explain why it's called pickle? No one knows why it's called pickle, right? The logo is like kind of like a pickle and they kind of like glasses.

The glasses are in the shape of a pickle. Kind of. Sort of. I would argue the glasses aren't even because they don't have the bottom frame. The logo does look like a pickle and AR goggles, but I don't think it really looks that much like the glasses. I don't know. It's a stupid name. And also they should like sole.

computer is the dumb mean. It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Also Mr. Park, you need to change your Twitter bio, my guy. Like, you can't be the CEO of a company that's in controversy and have your Twitter bio say, I'm in a pickle. True. But it's fun.

It's kind of, you so funny. It's a pun. Somebody out there likes that pun. I love it. Somebody out there likes that pun. But you know who will be at a pickle in about 30 seconds? Uh-oh. You guys try to figure out the answer to this week's

Trivia. Pickle question. First trivia question of the new year. Bread and butter pickles. I should have heard the best flavor. I am going to get points this year. I swear. This year.

Well, this first question is a very Mark has question because it's about phones of the 2010s. Yes. I wouldn't be too excited if I were you. Dang it. So RIP Zen phone. I wanted to do an Asus question because there were so many Zen phones. I love so much, but in the process of learning all about all the many phones and fablets Asus made over the years, I found two phones, two phone things, mobile devices with hilarious names. At 2013, you could go to Asus and make the choice between buying.

the ASUS phone pad, F-O-N-E-P-A-D, or the ASUS pad phone, P-A-D-F-O-N-E. Two separate devices, not in the same product line. That makes so much sense. One of them is a four-inch phone that plugs into a dock that connects to a 10-inch tablet with keyboard. Clearly. The other one was a fablet that you could get in six, seven, or eight-inch sizes, because it was 23rd. He was making a 6-7.

Okay. Yeah. So, between the Asus phone pad and the ASUS pad phone, which one was the fablet? A.K.A. which one did not have the dock accessory? That's what I'm asking.

I think I know this. Did not have the dock. Was the fablet, no doc? I think I remember as well. Was it phone pad or pad phone? I don't remember. I'm just trying to use common sense. There's no common sense. Probably not. I'm just going to work. I'm just going to write.

It makes perfect. Both of them with arrows like this. It makes perfect. Phone pad is the phone pad. Pad phone is the pad phone. Duh. Okay, yeah. Yeah, all right.

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That's ZAPIER.com slash wave. Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We're your host. Lego. My ego. My ego decided to do a big CES event this year, which everyone was very, surprised by Marquez Klaus. I was pumped.

He's pumped. This is the best thing that happened at CES. I agree. We're starting right off the bat. Marquez, were you a Lego kid? Yeah. Oh,

that's why. I was not. I was a bionicles. I was in, I had bionicles. I also connects. Oh, that's very good.

But I had Legos first, so I think I want Lego's kid. Yeah. Lego is in this weird space where they are sort of technology and they're sort of the opposite of technology. Like they are blocks, but then they have evolved in all these ways where they added

motors and gears and people make working things. Like yesterday I saw in the analog photography subreddit that someone made a film development tank with Legos. It was crazy. Like automated like, anyway, they decided to have a big CES event, which everyone was like, what is Lego going to headline at CES? It was like a huge thing.

They announced an AI pin. An AI pin. Somehow that wouldn't shock me. Yeah. So Lego announced their first smart brick. Yeah. Which is kind of crazy when you read like, definition of what these things do.

Notably, it is not the entire set of Legos that you buy are not made of smart bricks. It is like one or two per set. But they use Bluetooth and NFC and smart tags and they have microphones. And they have like basically every sensor. It's a whole computer in a brick.

And like two by four regular looking Lego. Yeah. Brick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Two by four like centimeters. Yeah.

No, no. Well, you know what I mean by two by four? Not like. No, no. No, no. We're talking Lego here. Yeah, Lego. When I say two by four Lego, right, right.

Yeah. Two by four dots. I know, just, yeah. Oh. Dots. Yeah. Okay. It's just usually when people say two by four, they mean a large.

No, but we're talking about Lego here. You guys need to be in the conversation. I know, I know. Everyone knows the unit of everything, the contos. So there are these smart Legos now they're making that basically can talk to each other. And because of this, they're able to make sounds. They're able to like, you can speak to it. They have speakers, like all these things.

Well, yeah, they light up. They make noise. and they respond to all different things because of the light and inertia sensors and the smart tags they have with separate mini figures or other parts of the things. There's examples of like, almost all of the examples are in Star Wars right now

because that's the set coming out in March. But one is like when you go to fuel up the Thai fighter, it sees the certain color and knows it's like next to the fuel tank and it starts making the like fuel noises. Or when Emperor Palpatine sits in his throne, it plays Imperial March. Or when two figures that have like lightsabers and next to each other,

it'll start the lightsaber noises or light up for different things. So there's all this really crazy stuff and like they make a Bluetooth mesh network between them to understand where other Lego pieces and these NFC tags in the Lego sets are in reference to each other. Yeah.

And they wirelessly charge on the like platform that you put them on. One of the coolest examples I saw. So they did. the announcement and I was like this is the coolest thing at CES and then recently it must have been last night Sean Hollister from the Verge went and did like my first experience

with all of them and he has this really cool example I'm just going to read the quote but we'll put the whole article in the the show notes so he said Lego interaction designer Maria Salgado showed us a little police car set that could react to not only the presence of a cop and a robber smart

minifigs but where they're located compared to the smart brick if a robber approaches the car, it'll sound the alarm. If a cop approaches the car, it will unlock it with a beep. If you drop the cop in the back seat behind the smart brick, it'll start snoozing because he's obviously not on the job. If you drop the robber into the front seat, the cop will wake up and start shouting. And that's like an example of how many different things it can do based on where things are in relation to like this singular smart. Yeah. Now somebody please check me on the nostalgia of this. I think this is unequivocably, I think this is unequivocab.

The shit, unequivocally. Slaps. Anendom. I think this is the best story of CES. I think, and also, you know, it's funny, this is like, I was saying to you, this is like the litmus test of people who didn't read the article. People, like, see the headline of this and they go, oh, smart Lego brick, boo. Like, we, keep it, like, keep it just pure, like, legos.

Keep it hurting my feet when I step on. Yeah. Which these totally still will. Now it'll go like, gotcha. But like this is awesome. And this is also like among all the AI and like over promising and random crap that we see at CES. Like this is just a real thing that is just great. It's just great.

Specifically said there's no AI in this product at all. It just reacts specific. I guess there was some controversy over a previous Mario set that used like barcodes or something to use very specifically. And they're like, this is not anything like that. This is way more. open, I guess, and the way it works with different sets. I'm interested to see how these might work outside of sets later down the line. Right.

And when people are building their own things and how they could potentially change it. This is my one concern was, does this kind of set in motion a whole thing for you need to build the sets that they ask you to build? And there's not going to be any sort of like open source stuff where you can like make it do whatever you want it to do. It's a weird thing where like do, are you a weird thing where like do, are you a, person who builds sets and keeps them like that or are you a person like me who built a set and then just had a giant tub that those sets disintegrated into and build whatever I want. There's what you're supposed to do with Legos. Yeah.

Or originally anyway. Whatever you want to do with Legos, you're spending a lot of money on it. You do you, but like it would be cool if these could somehow. But is my two by four brick from the Thai fighter only going to make Thai fighter noises? Right. That's my question as well. only going to play Imperial March. Right.

Or is it like dynamic? Yeah, how it works, how the lights were. And how would you update them? I think they're going to be just one function. I would imagine. I would assume there are a couple functions based solely on this set. And then how created people will be is how do I use the noises and lights from that set to build something else that I want? Right.

But if it's like tie fighter noises and you're using a lower the rings set. Yeah. A couple other small things I saw here. There is a microphone in it, but it's purely to be one of the other sensors because things can react to noise. They claim they're not recording anything. Take Lego at their. There was one where if you blow on a fire, it would turn the fire out.

It was like if it was a cake, if you made a birthday cake with it, it would blow, you could blow the candles out possible. But yeah, first sets are shipping in March. They're like 70, 100, and 160 bucks, and they're all pretty small. So you're going to get Lego taxed. harder on this, I'm sure, but they're pretty awesome. There's also a rumor. There's an upcoming Lego Pokemon set that might use. Oh, it's not even a rumor.

It's coming out this year. Oh, really? It's confirmed. With the smart brick? Yes. It's like Charmander's tail going to light up. I guess a two by four people wouldn't do that one. But yeah.

So that was the coolest thing at the CES and now we can talk about a bunch of other kind of cool things. There's a lot of other cool stuff. Yeah, we'll go through it. You have a... I have a few things. Yeah. I have one thing that's boring, but I think it's cool.

Okay. We'll be the focus on why it's cool. All right. So you know how Google Photos? Yes. Yeah. I know about, yeah. Like how Google, you know.

I know why and how. Yeah. So I know that. I know that. Google Photos has long been one of Google's best products. They came out with like the semantic search features a long time ago. It automatically tags different objects, object recognition, that kind of stuff. Notably, when you have a NAS, which is a network attached.

storage array. It's kind of just dumb. Like, it's just kind of a file structure system that you, you know, look stuff up. You have to, like, know, know exactly where everything is and all of this stuff. It is the new year. I am really messy. My desktop and my storage on my computer is horrible. Notably, all of my film scans that I've ever made are on a one terabyte flash drive. And when that breaks, my life will be over. So... No backup. At the beginning of the year, I decided I need to get my . So I started looking into storage solutions and wouldn't you have it at CES, U Green announced this AI NAS.

And I know everything is called AI now. But the early versions of AI, the like machine learning, semantic understanding versions of AI that are actually useful, they are shoving into this thing. So it's a network attached storage array, but it has basically like semantic search. So you can like describe what you want and it will automatically index all of your your images so that you can find what you need. It basically creates, it's like its own personal Google Photos, which is nice because Google Photos does not have original quality upload

unless you pay a ton of money. So that's pretty awesome. Remember when you got that for free? With a pixel. Yeah. And then they took it away. And then it took it away. I can do automatic album creation and categorization.

It can do summaries of audio clips and files. It has a model, which you can ask about your files. I'm not really sure why you need to do that. and it does automatic file organization. So I don't know. I know that this is sort of just like a newer, better version of something we've had for a very long time, and it is very boring. But as someone who has not gotten into the like, I need to get my storage solutions stuff together game yet,

now that they have semantic search within this, that's actually very useful for me. Yeah. So I'm considering. This is awesome. Yeah, it looks really nice. I'm sure it's going to cost so much money. It's $1,000 for the smallest one, which. is a lot.

How much storage is the smallest one? It doesn't have any. It's a NASP thing. It's a bay. You buy the drives. Oh, okay. You have to buy the drives. Yeah, so it's $1,000 for the smallest one without the drive, which is kind of annoying. It's pretty expensive. U-Green is a company that I thought only made H-DMI adapters. And then I've been seeing so much U-Green NASS stuff on TikTok. I don't know if they're doing a lot of like paid partner marketing or stuff like that.

They probably are. But I've never seen influencers be like NASBA. Oh, I have. Oh. But it's been all Synology stuff. Yeah. Like Synology flooded YouTube with like with NAS array videos. The U-Green NASBAs look really cool.

Like they would look clean in a house. Yes. Yes. I'm pro. I think I might get one. I'm very interested. Before this, the only U-Green product I had literally ever purchased was H-DMI adapters, like USBC.

So I'm like. Yeah. Am I going to trust my entire thing? Yeah. They kind of came out of nowhere and then they've been like kind of killing it. They're kind of, I see them as like another version of like anchor. Yeah. They have just started.

Yeah. They've started making a lot of stuff and they're all very high quality. So if there's like a pre-order, this has been my predicament. There's like a pre-order thing where you save like 700 bucks if you pre-order it. And I'm like, that's how they get you. That's how they get you. So you save money on the pickle pre-order too. Yeah. Anyway, I would like to try that, but we'll see, we'll see.

There's a new product. There's a new e-paper display coming out. So notably, we got really excited about this. I still love mine. Yeah, I mean, so it was the company called? It was Aura. Aura made these frames, e-paper frames that we got very excited about because they were their color e-paper frames. They were saying that they were like the first ones, which I think they,

wanted to say very intentionally because literally immediately after they said that like a ton of other brands came out with e-paper color displays. People were linking us to some other one so I'm sure it wasn't like we're the first ones. It was probably like we're the first ones with XYZ released on Tuesday. Asteris.

I got advertised a bunch of them on Instagram too. So they're clearly like coming. But there's this one, the ink poster 41 inch e-paper display that got shown off at CES. Very big. That seems like it's just kind of a TV at that point. Like 41 inches is pretty huge. Yeah. Um, but it is kind of ridiculously overkill and fancy. It has like an aluminum frame and then it uses Alcantara for the

mat. Whoa. So, um, the editor and gadget who saw one of the smaller models last year said that it was a lot denser and like higher resolution than the ones that like we have, for example, because like the aura frames that we have, like they look good, but they don't look exactly like, you know, one to one with a printed photo. They're like half tone because it has like limited color palette. These apparently are very, very, very high quality, but they're also like $6,000 for the 41-inch one. What I'm excited about is that this technology, like the e-paper technology, the e-ink technology, is clearly finally starting to like get pushed into the public eye.

And that means that this same thing is probably going to be half the price next year. So, you know, give it two or three years and this 41-inch e-ink display will probably be like 500 bucks. All six of them. Hey, and they will all be in my house. That paper wall. Yes. That would be incredible. Nice.

Yes. Okay, next thing. Corsair put a stream deck in a keyboard. I'll take three. Notably, they did acquire Elgado in 2018. So it's kind of like eight years too late. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy that they waited this long in order to do this. And I don't know if you guys remember the original Razor Blade that came out in like 2012.

Oh, yeah. You could literally customize your keys, which had little screens under them. Yeah, you can make them whatever you want. That's exactly what this is. Yeah. So I guess they were just too early and nobody wanted to pay for them at that point in time. Well, that was in a laptop also. Right.

Whereas if it's in a dedicated keyboard, it's more likely that you're going to have a whole streaming set up. Probably. You're probably not going to be streaming with your laptop. So it calls it the Galleon 100 SD keyboard. It has 12 customizable buttons, a 5-inch 720 by 1080, a 1280 iPS LCD screen, and two notably rotary dials for LS over there. Nice. How do you feel about the rotary dials?

All right. It is $350, so it's pretty expensive. But I think if you are... That's honestly not that crazy. Like a regular gaming keyboard could very... easily go for 150 to 200 and how much is a stream deck it's not that far off from them being bought yeah so it's like if you're going to set up a streaming setup and you just don't want to have to buy a separate stream deck it's right there and if you like corsair keyboards which they're just

like pretty typical gaming keyboards yeah yeah speaking of uh gaming companies razor always does something insane at cES usually they don't come out weirdly enough you can like get on the order list for this? Let me explain what it is. And yeah, I was similarly confused. Yeah. Just like, so they're doing this like AI desk companion. Yeah.

Now, so it's called Project Ava, which was something that was out last year, which was an AI that basically backseat gamed you. So it could tell you all this stuff you're doing wrong when you play games. You guys have never heard of the term backseat gamer. It's like when you're playing like, yeah, it's similar. But in a lot of games where like Valerner or Counterstrike, where someone dies, they're then watching your team, but still in voice chat and you're like telling someone

everything to do, that's like a backseat camera. So this was an e-sports, AI, whatever that could. But now you can get this little pod. Pod, yeah, cylinder tube kind of thing. It looks like the things, when you go to the bank and it sucks up from the drive-through that can sit on your desk, obviously has RGB, and kind of has this almost holographic-looking avatar.

On the website, they say it's a 3D hologram. 3D hologram. It's just a volumetric display. Well, duh, it is. Okay, well, you'll all know why we're so adamant about that later. Oh, my God. And it's powered by GROC. Is it really?

I'm on their website right now. Project Ava currently utilizes XAI's GROC engine to demonstrate its system. So they needed that because it notably gets kind of spicy. It'll do an epic vulgar roast. It's like, okay, so this volumetric display shows a couple of different companions. There's like an anime girl and an anime guy. Of course. The anime girl in like the video is like just wearing a big t-shirt.

It's unfortunately it's like anime girl, anime guy and then one of the most famous legal legends players ever. Well, yeah, there's these little characters that I, the idea is that it's, it's just, just an assistant that during the day you talk to as an assistant and while you're playing games they sort of backseat game with you. But it makes sense that it's powered by Grock because these assistants are, you know, made to be companions. We all know. Companions. Companions are a terrible word for this unless that's what you literally wanted to do. It's also like because it's this pod that sits on your desk as a camera on the front so it can help you

with what you're wearing and like your fashion sense or whatever and it can see things you're doing and I don't know every razor has this thing where it feels like every year they make this huge splash a product to get you to their booth that will never exist yeah and I specifically had a friend send this to me being like look how crazy this is it looks so stupid and I was like let me let you in on a little secret uh razor never actually releases these things they just have all their other products at CES and then he's like then how come you can pre-order it and I was like what And then I went, and for $20, you can get in line for a reservation, but they are saying this will come out in 2026.

So I don't know what to think. If they just realize nobody expects their stuff to come out, so this was give us $20 and we'll give it back, or if this is actually going to come? If it's powered by GROC, I would bet you that they are literally just using the same, like, because GROC also has the like companion, like virtual, actual bodied companion thing that you can interact with.

probably just using that API and changing the look of the character. Well, it's using the AI part of something that they had already because they were doing, like, I think they announced Ava last year for like the gaming stuff. But now this is like almost a webcam where it's taking in context of things in your room. But the weirdest thing is that it's this hologram, which we've been working on something that makes us understand holograms are really, really hard. And I don't know. there's no idea how much this is going to cost because you have to pay $20 to get in line for it.

So is this going to be reasonably priced? Is this going to be? It's so weird. I'm out. Yeah. Does this give you an unfair advantage if you're playing, though? It's an epic. It's an epic queue on the website.

Is this cheating? Oh, is this cheating? Is this like rapid trigger? Yeah. It's just going to be like, you need to build more pylons and dips. I just, it's a little sad to me that it's obviously grok because that kind of fits in with the whole like gamer personality. I don't want grok and companion to be in the same sentence. The Razor website also describes it as a friend for life.

Oh, no. That's not, I'm out. Does that mean it as a lifetime warranty? Yeah. Yeah. Dude. That's the only way. False marketing.

I want to talk. There's so much I want to talk about. But. Yeah. I don't know. I don't, I don't know if this will even ever come. Yeah, do we think this even comes out? Can we talk about the hologram for a sec?

I can't stop thinking about this, man. Okay. Because you're right, Andrew. We've been doing some secret stuff that involves holograms for the past few weeks. And we've learned a lot about holograms and a lot about how they work. And in all of the Razor photos on their website, no matter what angle the photo's taken from, no matter what angle the desk is at or no matter what angle the user is facing, do you guys notice? It's facing dead at the camera, right?

Whereas on the verge.com's photo in their header, not only is it at an angle, but do you see very faintly the transparent screen? Well, I thought that was the shutter speed catching something spinning. I don't think there's anything spinning in there. Oh, yeah. You can see the, you can think it's just a piece of glass pretty much. I think it's a transparent LCD.

I think it's a transparent LED. So it's not going to look. which is the Samsung spec, not the LG spec. I don't I well it's hard to tell from this photo the reason here's why I don't think anything is spinning in there is because when you generate a 3D image and there's a little bit of spoiler the thing we're working on but when you generate a 3D image from spinning something you don't just have to render one frame like if you're trying to render a 30 FPS video on a spinning thing you have to render the slice at every degree right which we

means you actually have to do a full spin more than once a frame, which means you need a graphics engine in this thing that's rendering these 2D slices at like over a thousand slices per cent. Like you need an insane amount of graphics power. And that's to do a low resolution image. From all the photos, this looks like a reasonably high res screen, right? So I'm willing to bet that Razor did not put like a 5090 in this thing. Yeah, it does not look like it's spinning. I mean, even there's a photo from sort of the top angle down where you can't, it looks like

it's off, but you can kind of see the transparent LED. And does it look like it's at a, it's at the same sort of perpendicular? It's the same angle. They're all at the same angle. Methinks. Yeah. 3D hologram is a little bit of an over statement. But it's also

it is possible that this uses the same technology as that company looking glass in Brooklyn. Yeah. Which does light field, yeah, in Greenpoint, which does light field displays. So it's not like a true 3D hologram. It's more like... It's what Nintendo used on the 3DS.

Exactly. Yeah. But also, I don't know. Exactly. I think that's the best way. That's the best way. I guess I just wanted to jump in here because I can't stop thinking about holograms for the past few weeks. And when, you know, and, you know, it's hard to think about holograms and not also think about wifus.

Yeah. And when a big company is like, yo, do you remember the last time we talked to Razor at CES? I wasn't there, but that's the basis of my. Yeah. When they were like, why would you ask me that? This isn't real? Yeah. We'll see if this is.

They're taking money, which they haven't done for other things. So I'm assuming this is going to be real. Razor's big enough. It's okay to take money and not deliver products now. It's 2026. And Razor, if I'm wrong and you don't, you didn't just buy a transparent LED panel from Samsung and put it in their stationary. Ellis will use this product

for the rest of the year. I will end my Claude subscription and only use the Razor Wifu for all of my LLM purposes. While having the bomb. But whatever.

But no, seriously, someone at Rachel should reach out and tell me if I'm wrong and it actually is a 3D hologram because I'd love to know about how it works because I'm thinking about holograms 24-7 these days. All right. We got some other things that I think are less creepy

Samsung, we just have to talk about one TV because this is CES after all. There's a gazillion of them. Well, there's a million. Wait, is that what they're calling their new TVOS? What? One TV. One TV?

Oh! Damn. Like when you I? All right, well, they announced the 130- 4,000 IQ joke. I got it. 130-inch timeless frame. I just... This thing, I'm so confused. Can someone try and describe what this looks like?

Because it's like a TV in a frame that doesn't connect, but is kind of off-centered and like an easel. It looks like an easel that it is like the TV is inside the easel and it pivots inside the easel and swings around. Like a whiteboard of us. It looks like you could spit it. Yeah, you could. Yeah, you can probably angle it.

It's like it. It's connected towards like the bottom. I think it might be fixed. Picture like a. is a fixed. Pretty big. Basically, bezel is. A dog door that's like the size of a third of a garage door.

But the hinge is like exactly in the middle of the Y axis so that the garage door just spins over and over again like a conveyor belt flap. A fan, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's big. It's huge. It's micro-RGB. It's 130 inches. I assuming this is 16.9 aspect or 16 by 9 aspect ratio.

that would be approximately 113 inches wide and 63 inches tall, which would be 11 feet wide and 5 feet tall. And that's just the TV screen. It is then inside the other giant box. So this is what, like a 13 foot tall contraption to be a timeless window rather than just a, I don't know, a stand? This is going to be one of those like $100,000 TVs. This is what CES does.

This is LG rollable TV CES. It's, I have like a ginormous living room, you know, core. My couch doesn't touch a wall. This is bigger than my apartment. This definitely goes in like the lobby of some giant building in Manhattan. Yeah. Yeah. To show where you are in the building.

You are here in the mall. I think it's gorgeous. I mean, it is very pretty. It is timeless. It is the living room you need to pull it off. It is so far beyond my means. I can't even begin to. It's all concrete.

It's going to be like the guys only need one thing photo. of like a guy that moves into a new apartment and it's just like him sitting on a lawn chair with this and a PS5. That's resting on like a 30 rack of Milwaukee's best. Yeah. Speaking of TVs, did you guys see all the frame TV knockoffs we got this here?

There's so many. There's so many. Why did it take this long? I don't know. That's a great question. Yeah, I was surprised. Basically everybody, TCL, High Sense, LG, even Amazon is making a gallery TV now.

And I think this, I mean, this always made a ton of sense. Ironically, I did hear that these are basically just excuses for the companies to use old panels that are way worse and sell them for a much higher price. Every year I think

I want a frame TV and I never... We had one in the old studio and it just I like the idea of it but I just never really decided to... Their quality is all... They're all bad quality. They're all bad TVs. Yes. But when they're off and they show the art and they're like a little framed thing,

they look kind of cool. And that's why they can charge you a lot of money for them. And that's the only way they sell it to you, by the way. They're like, look at this TV when it's off. Isn't that nice? Because otherwise it would be $300 on Black Friday. Yeah. If it didn't have the frame.

I guess I'll continue to not buy one. I'm glad that all these other companies are making them because it does mean that maybe there will be competition, which will force them to have better quality, which would be nice. If that becomes the, if like one of these starts selling more because it's a better TV, then that will be proof enough to them that they should focus on that. Right. But if they all sell well because they're all garbage TVs, but they all have the same

feature, then no one's going to be incentivized to like make a really good one. I imagine the Amazon Fire TV one is going to sell really well. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. Um, yeah. I've heard the same. Oh, yeah, baby.

It was like, it was that TV that just sat on the ground. The same sheriff TV. Oh, yeah. This kind of reminds me of the timeless frame we were just talking about. Yeah. I think Isaac has one of these. But it basically, it, it stands. on the, it has just these like legs that it stands on and then it's got, it's called

seraph because like a seraph font and it's inside of this, I don't know, it looks, it looks really nice. Terrible TV. Oh my God, one of the worst TVs. It is so bad. The the actual display is horrible. You want to know something? Brandon has it too actually. Yeah, Brandon owns one and it looks great. It looks great in his apartment until he turned it on. You know where I saw? You know where I saw the seraph TV for the very first time? Brandon's apartment? No, in a museum. Makes sense. Because the...

Directory? No, because the designers who made it are these famous design brothers named the Boolarex that Samsung. And so it was an entire, like, exhibit about the Boolarex, like, furniture designs. And in the corner, it was this crazy-looking TV and it had a Samsung logo on it.

I was like, why is it 720B? Andrew, do you want to talk about the vibrating knife? Yes. I don't like how enthusiastic I was the way you described it, but... Yes, I want to open this by saying Marquez, please let me do a video or short about this. So I actually saw this outside of CES, but it is at CES, so I'm counting it and we are allowed to talk about it. But this is the Seattle Ultrasonic's C-200 Ultrasonic 8-inch Chef's Knife.

It has Ultrasonic twice in the name. That's how Sonic it is. So imagine a chef's knife with the thickest handle ever, because this handle looks really. thick and plasticy and has a giant red button on it. Uh-huh. Yeah, because it needs a battery. But why do you need a button on a knife?

Well, this knife blade vibrates up to 30,000 times a second, which claims makes the knife behave sharper than it physically is. And so what happens then when you cut things while it's vibrating? It cuts them really fast and really well. So like I honestly put this in as a joke because I thought it was so funny. And it reminds me of those like the carving knives that everyone uses for like, Thanksgiving, which some people really like.

But I'm always a believer in... Oh, is that how it's vibrating? No, it's not. Carving knife specifically is just going forwards and back. This is just like... Like, they say when you turn it on, you can barely tell it's doing anything.

The way they show it is they like... How is it vibrating? I think just like everywhere. Is it pivoting or is it... I think everywhere. Vibrations are the key to all life. Dr. Fuji. It's doing the Harlem Shake, bro.

Yeah. I'm really trying to... understand this. If a knife is like this and it's a sharp thing. I think it's just vibrating. If it's vibrating it's vibrating. I don't know what axis is vibrating. How does it? Yeah, what is the motor in the handle exactly? Like is it vibrating? Like is it vibrating? If you drop it does it just start like it's got it? It's got a buzz. It's got a buzz. No, it's like buzz. No, it'll probably buzz. Like it's on the ground and it's vibrating. No, just cut through your floor. And if it's vibrating and it just falls through the floor. This is like the best way of it falls to the center of the earth.

And then it cuts the earth's core open. And then the earth sort of like falls in half. You cannot drop this knife. I'd like to do it. They spent so much time asking you if they could. They never asked if they should. This is a good video example of that it's actually moving because it doesn't look like it is, but they just put sand on it and it kind of looks like it's just going up and down and slightly forward.

It's like a tuning fork. It's like how a tune resonates at a certain frequency. It's not like it's sliding back and forth. No. It's resonating. I'm going to have to push back there because it's by definition ultrasonic. True, yeah. Well, 33 hertz is...

Oh, 33 kilohertz. It means it's faster than you can hear, whereas the point of the tuning for is to hear it. No, yeah, I agree. I'm just saying as far as... Cut that. Wait, can you hear 33 kilohertz? I feel like you can't. No, you can't.

If you're a dog... If you're a dog... If it was lower than 20K, it would just be sonic. So your dog could hear this knife. It's like a... It doubles as a dog list. You just go to cut your food and your dog is just freaking out. Oh my God.

But in a way, you did just make a tell your dog that you, your dog's food in the kitchen. As if it didn't already know. But so at first, like I said, I thought there was just those carving knives and I wasn't really that interested. I like my kitchen stuff to be as on tech focused as possible. I like just nice knives that I sharpen. I like cast iron. but then there's this video of it just like cutting through a baguette without serration and just like usually you cut bread with a serrated knife and a baguette is hard and usually you have to like smush it down to cut it with a wow this is just it just glides through it's like gliding through it like the scissors through wrapping paper when you get that nice glide

yeah yeah yeah dude the french are going to be so excited but like like seeing it cut a tomato I'm like cool a really sharp knife because it's made no problem watching this That's an apple, I think. Oh. Watching it cut through the baguette is like literally insane. Dude, the mist coming off the tomato. The tomato? That's another way of showing how precise it's vibrating. Can I ask you a question about knives?

I don't know anything about knives. I probably can't answer there. I know you could do that a sharp knife. This is a $400 smart knife. $400 is not crazy for that. Remember how much we paid for the hammer? How much is a really good sharp? My like Wustuff classic, which is like a really,

The fact that you name dropped your knife is already above my head. It's like 160 bucks. Oh, like, you can get Japanese steel for very expensive if you want to. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Some of that is because of, like, how handmade and precise and, like, specific it is. And, like, the handle is probably, like, one of one.

It's IP 65, so it's not going to go through a dishwasher, is it? No, but you can hand wash it through. Okay. You should have any knife worth that much money you should have put in. Yeah, you should never put in the same. But I'm just thinking, like, if you use this one knife for your raw meat and then need to use it again later, and you know how you're cooking, you have a little, like three, you need to use a knife for three different things.

Yeah. I feel like you need. You wash it. Yeah. Yeah. You should always wash your knife and dry it off immediately and not leave it out wet. And it's also because the different knives are better for different things, like serrated knives for the baguettes.

Yeah. Well, okay, so this has 1100 million up hour removable battery pack. Nice. It charges either USBC or it has, do you know how people have the like wooden magnetic knife mounts? Yes. For 150 bucks, you can get one of those that's wireless charging. Yes. Mark,

has I blame you for this because you said to USB all the things and they have. Well, there was that or micro USB which one do you want? And I love this.

Just like a true tech product it says, I believe it says for, to avoid e-waste USB C cable and charger or not included in the box. Damn.

So you got to charge your knife. This is true. How long do you think this knife battery lasts? I bet probably like, how long are you using a knife? I bet it's totally fine

to get through. Yeah, could be. Yeah. But at some point you need to charge her knife, which is hilarious. Does it last long enough to catch up the center of the earth? Maybe that's the only thing saving it. Yeah.

There's just a bunch of knives, like, hundreds of feet deep with dead batters. I also just love the idea of just like, you use it and then you just stick it and it starts charging. That's crazy. It's, I, this was a total joke at first, and I want this so bad now. I want it really bad. I know. If you're listening Seattle Ultrasonic's. Yeah, please.

We're here. Or, Internet Shaquille needs to do a review on this. please send him one. He's way cooler than us, but if you want to send us one, or if I can convince Marquez to let us do a short on it, I'm here.

You're going to have to send it because I looked at adding it to my car for a pre-order, and you pay full price right away. When does it come out? In March, I think. $400, I want it. Which is not that far away.

Before the pickle. I want it. Place your bets. I think that's my second favorite thing. Oh, the third cool thing, it's got IP. It's got an IP rating. It's IP 65.

I want to do a, really quick Lenovo power hour because they always do the weirdest stuff. They are announcing a laptop that, okay,

last year we got the laptop that rolled upwards. We sure did. And that was cool. Lineus went on Jimmy Fowl. One of the Jimboes.

Showed him. Right. Jimmy. It was cool. Right. The same night as Bad Bunny was there. I'm so jealous.

Yeah, that was honestly a combo. I'm sure they hung up. Linus Sebastian, bad bunny. Can't even tell them Mark. This year, they did a rollable computer that rolls out, so it makes an ultra-wide display. The scroll book.

The scroll book. Yeah, it's a cramble book pro. Now I know where you like that, because David could be like, check out this picture I took. And then it expands outwards. And then he's like, he's like 23 by 7. It makes the royal flex pie like creaks. But I mean, I would, like the vertical roll book, I think, for productivity is good.

The horizontal rollbook is pretty sick for gaming. You know, I think that that, you know, pretty cool. Just product, I mean, also productivity. It's whether you want a big chat. It's like code and like big emails or chats, like you want vertical or like if you want it to go sideways so you have side-by-side screens. Yeah, you don't need a Vision Pro if you got this thing.

No. They also made a laptop concept that has a rollable display that wraps around its lid, which is weird. I don't know. All of this tech eventually comes to. to stuff eventually. For Adam, they made a FIFA edition Razor phone. Oh, I sure did.

Okay. With like the FIFA logo on the back. It's just a branded version. Yeah, just with a custom ringtone. Oh, okay. That's two phones. Yeah, yeah, it's two phones for some reason. But if they can upcharge somebody who relax soccer, they'll do it.

They made a new Moto watch that promises 13-day battery life and polar-powered health tracking that uses polar. So that seems pretty interesting. Is the Seltzer company? No, well, no. No, Polar is another, like, you know, right? I have no idea what Polar is. Polar is a smart watch brand.

Oh. They make a bunch of health accessories, like heart rate monitors and stuff like that, straps and stuff. Right, right. So this is called the Moto Watch. It's round. You know, it doesn't have the flat tire. So I don't know.

That looks pretty good. But the one thing that I'm sure you'll be reviewing soon here, Marquez, is... The Dell XPS? Yeah. They did. Delve did bring back the XPS name. I literally ordered it. You ordered the XPS?

Yes. Why? The new 14? Because it looks like it's actually good. I know. Well, they were good. Well, they were good.

And then they, like, got rid of XPS for a year. And it was like, Dell Pro, Del Pro Max. That is weird fit. And now they're back. Now XPS is back. And they fix a lot of the things that have, like, a real function row key and they have, like, better speakers. And you can actually see the track pad. It looks like a much better laptop.

Okay. I was like, let me give it a shot. Okay. Well, uh, there's, there is. is now a razor hot dog phone. Yeah. So I'm glad you called it's correct. What?

Laser fold. Oh, I thought we met the gaming company again. Oh, sorry. Moto Razor Fold. Moto Razor Fold. Yeah. Hot dog. So apparently the Fisher, Michael Fisher, Mr. Mobile, said that he was not that excited for it.

And then he saw in person and that the build quality is actually really, really nice. Interesting. And then he's pretty excited for it. That's a weird thing to say about his own product. I try. I trust Michael Fisher's read on a phone first impressions. I'm also not expecting very much from a, what is this going to be like, a $14,500 dollar.

Yeah. Motorola flagship that folds. Notably, they did the like $600 hamburger fold. That was their bread and butter. Yeah. A little throwback razor foldable thing was they got it all the way down to like, yeah, $6.99 or maybe $5.99. I think it was $5.99. That was for the cheapest version.

That made it really good. But I always felt like Motorola, at least in the past, like, five, six years has been making these edge flagships, and they've just never been pushing any sort of boundaries of being, like, a really good phone. They'll just make, like, a decent phone, and it's their flagship. Yeah, the edges have been, like, whatever. Like, not great cameras. Pretty okay battery, but they don't do silicon carbon. I think this, this has a 5,200 million-amp.

I don't think they do any silicon carbon in their whole lineup. Yeah. Like, okay, like flagship chip, but also they were really first to 5G and haven't done anything great. sounds like I don't know they're fine yeah but when they're doing when I hear they're doing a fold I'm like it it'll be fine yeah so but if he you know if he likes it it sounds just fine I'll check it out yeah they're also making an AI pendant I did see that too yeah it's a concept right now it's like a necklace with a camera yeah there's a surveillance tape a keyboard YouTuber that I really like called HippioTech and I

think he's at his first CES ever and his whole Instagram is just like I'm so excited to see the new tech Hope it doesn't have AI. And it's just like, oh. It's just been like 48 hours of that. Wrong year to go to CES, my friend. I have bad news. Everything.

Well, speaking of Michael Fisher. Yeah. The main events. Last thing I have here, and I know it looks like a lot, but we can kind of go through this is notably the best thing that got announced at CES. After the Lego brick. Oh, yeah. I like Michael Fisher a lot, but the Lego brick was pretty awesome.

But I don't think he'll be upset about that. All right. But Clicks, the company that he is a part of, released two new products. Yeah. The first one, the clicks power keyboard. Yeah. Is essentially a, so they had previously been doing the cases with the keyboard on the bottom,

which for a lot of phones made them long, very long. Very long. Tall as head. It kind of made the most sense on like the Z flips because then you could use the front screen with your own, yeah, in the razor and your own keyboard not being in the way of the small screen. And it would be a regular size. But so the clicks power keyboard is actually a, imagine a battery battery. with MagSafe, and then when you pop it to the back of your phone, you can slide your phone up, and now there's a keyboard on the battery bank. So now the keyboard rests there is also providing charge with your phone, and you can pop it on and off whenever you want. Which is kind of awesome. It has multiple different sliding ranges. So like if you have a smaller phone or a really big phone, you can turn it landscape if you want kind of a knockoff LG wing.

Nothing's going to be the... nothing can fill the void that the wing left but like it does awesome stuff like it's done with the past on the cases where it can take away your keyboard you get all your screen real estate back which is great

one of the cool things I really liked about the power keyboard was it has multiple Bluetooth connections and they kind of just created a mobile Bluetooth keyboard in a sense where like this could connect to your phone but this could also connect to your Vision Pro and you don't have to type

in the air anymore. This could connect to your Apple TV so you don't have to use the remote arrow buttons to search for things. Yeah. So like this is now just kind of, especially if you keep it with your phone. Pockitable Bluetooth keyboard that's also a battery bank that if you can pair easily to things, that would be awesome. And then there's a, he said there's multiple pairing and it's just a keyboard shortcut to swap between the pairs. Oh, that's so smart. So launch price $79. Which is pretty good. I mean, battery banks aren't that cheap. It's definitely more expensive than a dealer battery bank, but it has to have the sliding mechanism and a keyboard that they put a lot of effort into.

After launch price, it'll be 109, which that's pricey, but I really think the people who would want this will want it. I also like how now it's not just a phone in a case all of the time and long if there are scenarios where you think you need it a little more. And it also is now a battery bank as well, which is awesome. I didn't see how big it was. Also, a huge shout out to Michael. He opens the video keynote with like, I've seen a million.

of them and let's do them, right? This whole thing was announced and fully inspect with price at like two minutes and 45 seconds into the video, including the intro. Yeah. So, Bravo. Yeah, I think this makes a lot more sense. Their problem before was that they needed to make it for every individual phone. Yes. And they eventually got it out for the razor. But like every year when they update the phone, like Apple updated the camera bar. So then it didn't, you know, you had to buy a whole new case and they cost over $100. And it just like doesn't make a lot of sense. And so having something that just uses MagSafe slash Chi-2 that is just a universal keyboard

that you can also use with Vision Pro. You can also use it with your Apple TV or whatever. It just makes way more sense. And it's a battery bank, which is just, yeah. It is a little bit, like, thick. It's bulky for sure, but it's a battery bank. Yeah, it's a battery bank. So I don't think you're going to want to have it on your phone all the time,

but it is kind of nice that you can just have your phone normal for most of the time and then when you want to get into some keyboard action. And I like that it slides up. They also showed that it does work with foldable phones unfolded. So even like the Z Fold 7, it'll work with. Well, yeah, because even if it's not connected, if you have the, I can't even remember what the trifold is, but now the triflead could be all the way out,

and now you have a hand keyboard in front of you also. But the Z Fold 7, like, if you put, if you like magnetize it to it, it actually, like, the keyboard will be low enough that you can like type on it. Sideways or like when it's open like really but then it'd be off to one side, right? It didn't look like that in his video well I'm assuming then then he flipped it landscape and folded it up Yeah, oh maybe yeah that's probably what happens. Which is awesome. Yeah, yeah, that's really cool pretty cool. I mean, you know Obviously Michael Fisher's gonna be somebody that tries probably said we have to do this we have to do this we had to do this at all the design meetings

Glad that he got his voice through. It's the perfect time that now Chitu accessories or Chitoo Ready is so much more prevalent. Even if phones don't have the MagSafe magnet, you can probably find a case. Even though there's like the pixel uses Chitoo and the, what is it, the skyline, the HMD skyline. And that's basically it, except for our next product we're going to talk about, which is another click's product. I didn't even realize this had. Chee too, baby.

I missed that completely. So, okay, there's another product that clicks announced called the Clicks Communicator, if you know Michael Fisher, makes a lot of sense. It's a reference. It's a reference to Star Trek. And it's basically the idea of it is, it's similar to the idea of what Palm was when they launched their phone, except it's not like micro.

It's like, it's a different form factor. It has like a square display with a keyboard. It kind of looks like a blackjack or a blackberry, like the original Blackberry. I consider this the R-slash- Android phone. It's like everything that R-slash- Android wants in a device. This is so interesting to me. It is specifically tailored to mostly just be a communication device.

So it uses a modified version of Niagara Launcher, which if you ever use Niagara, it's basically this descending list of letters on the side of your screen that just lists your apps out. So it's supposed to be like the anti-social media, anti-scrollable device because, you know, you could have TikTok on it, but it's going to have these big bars on the side because it's not a vertical display. It's like a square display. Yeah. It's so clearly indicated as a communicator because as a physical keyboard. Yeah. Which, you know, obviously is going to, well, for most people is going to be the ideal way to type out a lot of stuff. Yeah.

Is this really interesting to me for two reasons? Uh-huh. One is because I think I would enjoy using something like this, although I'm a smartphone person. Like I use my smartphone keyboard all the time. But two, it is such a good product idea as a new, like, startup type of company. Yeah. I've been asked probably a tree. million times in my lifetime, hey, shouldn't you make a phone? Like, couldn't you, you review all

these phones? Shouldn't you compete? And it's like, no, this is, this is the most competitive, like, impossible to break through category to make a new product. I could never just make a smartphone in my bedroom or something like that. That's ridiculous. But a product like this, they have all of the right, obviously this is a very specific targeted genre for like what the product is, but then they don't have to have the best camera because this is not a thing. that's designed around having the best camera. This doesn't have to have the best screen. This doesn't have to have the best processor or even software. Obviously, a new startup. We hear, you know, Carl, pay from nothing, talk all the time about how it takes so much extra work for a team to make

all this new software. Okay, well, we'll use Niagara Launcher. Like, they have all these things that are appropriately trimmed down and not trying to compete with smartphones because the whole thing isn't competing with smartphones. Yeah. So it's a really interesting, decently new thing that I think we'll find a home because it's not going to be ideally compared with smartphones or you're missing the point. It is different from a smartphone. It's so clearly made by somebody

and the community that we are all in because like my favorite thing, notification LED. Yeah. Like, come on, we've all been asking. Yeah, in the power button. Smart. And like it can be based on contacts

or based on apps that are giving you notifications and you can customize all. It's what we have always asked for. Yeah, exactly. And it's because this is a thing that they're saying it's a second. and phone optimized for communicating. So much of it's supposed to be based on triaging inbox and like seeing when you want

to actually like pick up your phone. And it's because like maybe you don't care about some emails right now. But if you're getting the Slack color notification, maybe that's what you do need to pick your phone up for. Like every photo of this with the screen on shows like the messages hub, which is just like answering, replying to messages. That's what the thing is best at. Yeah.

Which is what's where I mean, it's really, it's really. shipped as like a weekend phone. Like you use it on the weekend to just kind of like get stuff done or like a secondary device if you're like a business person. Can you use this as your main phone? You could. Yeah, yes. It's a full Android phone.

This is where I'm getting kind of confused. Yes, it is a full Android phone. They said you can download apps. You can download like David's a TikTok or YouTube or whatever on it. I'm confused a little bit because it has its own SIM card. Yes.

It has, they're saying second phone. So it's like a phone you use as a companion with your regular phone. but does it have a second phone number? Yes, so I saw this in the in the script last night. So I would love to know this. I would love to know this. Oh yeah, speaking of which, full disclosure.

We know and like Michael Fisher. Yeah, we probably take everything with a grain of salt, maybe one of those cool grains that are vibrating at 30,000 on that knife that I really want if you're still listening to Seattle. Used to be my roommate. We see each other like twice a week. So if you would think I'm lying, then that's fair. I'm doing my best here.

That's a great disclosure. Let's see what he said. I said question. Oh, yeah, okay. He said, yeah, we've seen some confusion around this. It is a full phone with a physical sim and e-sim support, but you need a second number. We're not doing anything at the moment in terms of number mirroring or forwarding. The target customer either uses mostly federated messaging apps like telegram or WhatsApp or whatever.

Yeah, or Slack or whatever. I mean. this is where I with multiple sign-ons and or maintains two phone numbers like Mark has anyway yeah so when they say

companion phone it's not paired in any way to your phone it's just you have a separate phone that you try to use less and you have this as your main communicator and you answer your Slack messages on this you answer your telegram messages all the things that you're signed into

that will sync and Mark has read everywhere else yeah that's I'm just curious if this could be someone's primary device it definitely could It runs Android and you can install whatever Android apps you want. It's just not ideal. It's fully over-a-lotter-clares.

Because I don't think a lot of people are going to be buying this as a secondary device outside of our sphere. Yeah, really. Well, maybe the business community. I feel like business people just get iPhones. I have an old iPhone or a Samsung phone with Knox. I've seen a couple of people with Blackberries on. Or like work phones. That's what I mean, work phones for business phones.

Yeah. You just get issued an iPhone. Usually, yeah. I don't know. My thing was like, I think this is awesome. I would want it, which what I want might be impossible. So I think that's totally fair. But like I would want it to use my number because I still use text messaging so much.

I mean, you could just use those your main phone. Yeah, it has cheat too. The thing is this would be my, this problem. This would be my weekend phone. This would be my weekday phone because I get a lot of stuff done at work. I would be able to really quickly see notifications on it. And when I get home and I only have. two hours before Lane goes to bed.

Doomscroll. No, I can't dooms scroll because this is what I'm using. Whereas my normal phone on the weekend where maybe I have more time to screw around on it, or I'm capturing more things based on what we're doing, that's when I use my... So how about this? A great point. How about you get, you switch to Google Fi, you get one of their data-only sims that's free, you put the data-only sim in your pixel, you use this as your main phone and on the weekend,

you don't have to respond to text anyway. Yeah. My real thing is I think I'd rather almost just use this as my only phone and now that I'm carrying a camera around with myself all the time. Yeah. Same. Honestly, yeah. I think a lot of people are going to want to use this as their only phone. But my other issue is that being the keyboard nerd on this, I have zero nostalgia for phone

keyboards. However. But I do want to try it really bad because it seems like they go a lot of effort. So a big problem that people had with the original clicks was that like the keys were a little bit too close to each other and they were pretty small. Because this does not have to adhere to that classic 21 by 9 aspect ratio. and it's whiter because it's a square screen, the keys are actually quite a bit bigger.

So you might have a better experience typing on this thing that you did. This has just always been what confuses, well, not confusing me. What keeps me personally from the clicks line of stuff? Is because I do have like the nostalgia factor for physical keyboards, but there's something like I'm so good now with a on-screen keyboard. Like swiping and all that. I don't know if I go back if I would still be as good as I remember myself to be.

I have a feeling because this is what happened when I, I tried clicks is like there is a learning curve where I get dramatically slower when switching to a new keyboard, but perhaps after using it for a while, I could be just as fast, if not faster, and enjoy it more. And it's got voice to text. But it is very frustrating to be a slow type. The voice of text, like, you can customize the side button also. And one of the things to do is you press it and hold it and it automatically brings in speech to text. And then when you let go, it just sends it. Like, it's just like an easier way to communicate. I need it to let go and then let me review it before sending it.

No. Because speech to text has done me so done me so much. Also, it has a headphone jack. It has a headphone jack. It has a headphone jack. It has microSD expansion. It has like I said, this is built by somebody. What do you need microoadd for?

If you're not doing media. Expansion, storage expansion. But what are you storing? What do you not want it? Your messages and messages. Yeah, I have 500 gigabytes of texts. What? I'm joking.

Yeah, I feel like it should have like 64 gigs. Yeah, the cameras are notably not that. good, but, like, who cares? Yeah. I've never cared about my phone camera. That's... I don't know if I believe you. That's a lie.

I only sometimes care about my phone. I've never... With a straight face, I've never cared about this camera. I've never... Yeah. I have never thought once about a camera in a phone, David Amel. Not a single time. Notable, not caring about photos and cameras.

Haven't made multiple videos about it at all. They also, like you said, they updated the keyboard in a bunch of different ways from the font to the size to the spacing. It also can work as a trackpad. You can scroll across it, which is also kind of nice because since the screen is smaller, now your thumb is not in the way. Along with that, you can do a bunch of shortcuts through certain buttons. There's specifically a clicks button on it, but you can program different shortcuts on there.

I love it. It's like Raycast on my phone. Just like quick key bindings and everything. because I had that. There is a launch price of, what is it? So the actual price is going to be $4.99. There is a early bird price, reservation price, which is $3.99. So I think if you pay in full now, you can get it for $100 cheaper.

Yeah. And then there's a reservation deposit of $200. So you have to... But that also says to lock in the early bird price. Oh, yeah, that's confusing. That's why I'm confused. Okay. Oh, but if you do pain in full, you get two back covers.

Oh, yeah. It has a replaceable back cover. So it's got a colored back cover, and you can just swap them out for a different color if you want. Can you replace the battery? If I can hot swap batteries. That's a great question. If you can replace the back, I don't think so. I doubt it.

I doubt it, but that would be amazing. But then they probably couldn't IP. It's Chi 2 and silicon carbon. I don't think you can. There's also a fingerprint sensor on the space bar. The space bar, yeah. This is amazing. Also, the reason the notification LED is on the side button is because whether it's face up or face down on the table, you'll still be able to see it.

And I don't remember if you guys remember the Blackberry, the back, Blackberry, God. It was the Android one that slid out. It went, remember that? Was it the Prive? Prive. The Prive had a touch sensitive keyboard, so you could use it as like a mouse by just scroll your finger and it kind of hurt a little bit. This does the same thing. Yeah, the trackpad is touch sensitive, so you can like scroll your finger around it and it kind of hurts a little bit.

Yeah, it's crazy. And then you've got a bunch of different colors. It's just, it's so cool. In my eyes, it's affordable. This is, we talk so much about dumb phones and this is not a dumb phone, but this feels like the better version of all of those phones of like a productivity phone, a non-distracting phone. It's a perfect time. I think this is better than all. And the perfect, again, it's like if I, if someone came out with a phone,

$500 phone that had a bad camera and had like a bunch of stuff that's like not up to competing with other $500 flagships you'd be mad but this is such a specific product yeah that does such a specific thing that doesn't really have competitors the cameras aren't I mean it's 50 megapixel it has OIS got a 24 megapixel front facing I can guarantee it's not it's not good pixel or whatever $500 phones out there for sure it's good enough it has but it has G2 which most phones don't have pixel think about the $500 pixel which pixel has it if you buy a $500 pixel you get Che2, you get a good battery, you get,

and tensor's not good, but you get really good cameras. Well, and also didn't launch at $500. Well, what's the 9A cost? 9A. Yeah, I guess the A. The A is 550, I think. Yeah. So, but this, I'm not expecting it to do those things.

I'm expecting to have an amazing keyboard and to do the notification light and the Chee 2 and a headphone jack. Yeah, well, it has 256 gigabytes of storage, which the pixel doesn't have, by the way. If we have. If we remember. That's hilarious. Yeah. And expandable store.

Microstee up to two terabytes. You want to have a two terabyte texting phone? Let's freaking go, maybe. How many messages you can store with two terabytes? All of them. All of the messages. We're pixel. We have the best camera ever.

Here's a hundred twenty-eight gig. We literally just sent text messages. Double it. Yeah, so I texted Fisher literally yesterday and I was like, because his office is near my apartment. And I was like, you don't have one just lying around. I could bring into the podcast, dude. And he was like, man, we brought them all to CES, but I would love to get you some immediately.

Yes. We'll take five. So, yeah, we'll take five. Anyway. The pixel 9A is on sale right now at Google.com or Google store.com. It is currently $3.99. Well, so is this. Nice.

If you pre-order it. And you get more. You get more storage. You get more storage. Anyway, I just think it's cool as heck. And I think that if social media did not exist and to force us to do everything in 21 by 9, this is what we could have just on the market all the time with many different options. But social media had to standardize everything.

This segment was not sponsored by clicks in any way. It wasn't. Well, it doesn't matter that he's one of my best ones. It's fine. Yeah. If you think I'm lying. If you think I'm lying, maybe. It's possible.

It could be. tricking you. Are we going to talk about the AI assistant that's built into it? I don't know. There's no way. I'm joking. It's just joking. It's just Michael Fisher.

It pops up in the corner. It's like the wee-a-boo thing. It's like Michael Fisher in a Star Trek, like Starfleet uniform. Wait. That would be so good. Don't give him any ideas. He's like, what do you need? Honestly, yeah, the notification LED thing is huge.

It's so good. I said to him last night, it was like, three cents of cops. Unlimited value. Unlimited power. And the colors on the back that you can get are like this sea foam blue. There's like a gray that's kind of like a granite gray. There's like the cool orange that's kind of like burnt.

There is the green that sort of like a forest green. Wayform green as we... From that Reddit post that was like... That only like one color. There's like a wine. There's like a wine color. There is a slate gray. There is neon yellow, which only Michael Fisher likes.

What? No, me too. That's my favorite color. Andrew has a pissing right now. No, this is like, this is neon. It's piss. You all are fake. I'm the real piss boy.

I can't use that. No, you know what? Leave it in. Leave it in. Leave it in. There is a, there's like a burnt, hot, pink purple thing, it's thing. And then there is, there's a, burnt magenta, I guess we'd say.

And then there's a leather back. Is that leather or brown? It looks like leather to me. Yeah, it's leather. Look at that texture. It might be vegan leather. I'm going to pre-order. I'm going to reserve one.

I will hopefully review it. I'm going to check it out. Oh, and we forgot to mention it. The actual body color also comes in three colors. It comes in white, green, and black. Oh, there's a green. White's the correct. There's a forest green, though.

I know, but the white looks so. I'd rather be white with a green back. I just always worry about white products. Like if they're going to in my pocket, just turn like a weird color. Patina. Yeah. It'll pick up the blue jeans.

I don't know. I don't know. Might not. Anyway, speaking of worried. I'm worried about the next trivia question. As you should be. Because we spoke about Lego in this most recent.

Three hours ago. Three hours ago. Right at the beginning, I did not expect this to go this long, but I should have known. Currently, the most expensive set you can buy on the website is what and for how much two points on the line okay how specific do we have to get very specific closest price without going over without going over without I just heard of right

rules I just heard of a new set they're releasing it's very specific yeah are you counting that one is it is it sets that you can currently buy on the shelf right now because the one that they announced it's launching January 24th so it's not out you could buy it But it'll get to you on January 24th. So the answer is something I first. I don't want to say anything else. There's a bunch of them. But it's like the one that's currently on the website,

sort by highest prize. What's that first? So I'm not going to get that. I'm not going to get any points this year. I told me I should be worried. Well, I'm going to learn something new today. Answers abate the end like usual. We'll be right back.

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predictions, but I'm going to spice it up a bit. This is going to be a competition. Oh, no. Yeah. What? I'm calling it, call your shot. So you have to call your shot for the rest of the year. You're making your prediction, but we are going to revisit this at the end of the year, and I'm going to tally up the correct predictions and the wrong predictions. So you want to be accurate, but not too accurate. You want to be like, the closest, but not going over. Yeah, closest, but not going to not going over. All right. So first question. I'm just going to ask you guys a bunch of questions and you guys are going to make your predictions okay so yes or no some of them are like over under you know over under name a product you know scam real for example

what is one product that will not ship this year oh easy cyber cab it's too easy that doesn't what cyber cab yeah yeah so you take well because they announced it would ship this year and at that that i think that's a pretty good take that it will not i mean there are hundreds of thousands of robotaxies by the end of 2025. Of course. Of course. We hear that every day. Roaster.

Ship. Ship. The Zen phone. No. If we're just trying to tally as many credits. That's one thing, but if we want to make like a bold prediction. I'll say. It still has to be a prediction.

It's just. Can I say the, I'm going to say rabbit R2, but just whatever this like three and one rabbit thing is. Vision Pro 2. I think I like. Cybercab because it was announced that it would ship this year. Right. Yeah, it has to be something that's been announced. You can't just like make up a thing.

My thing's like a rumor. It's also funny because my prediction last year was there would be a Rabbit Art 2 last year. And I was wrong. So I'm doing the opposite. Well, what else have they announced will come out this year? Or something that might be rumored to come out. Or like. Oh, the Razor thing.

The Razor thing. Like you could like iPhone Air would be an interesting thing. iPhone Air too. I think it makes it. But like folding iPhone. say they weren't going to make it this year? Well, that's a question. I don't know. That's not something we have for sure.

Folding iPhone is another one. No, that's coming out. People all think that's this year. It's coming out. I know. I know it's coming out. Oh. I'll go to that.

No folding iPhone this year. Okay. Oh, wow. You're wrong. Wrong on that one. I. Tally it. Or he just got a point. That can be a huge point.

It's possible that it could, it's possible that it could not come out, but I, just based on everything I've read from like Ming Chi Kuo and stuff like that, it's like, it would almost be more expensive for it not to come out this year than to put it out and have it be bad. Can't air power of this. Siri. I was literally, I was thinking, man, I was like, is the new series. Is the new Siri? Yeah, that's out.

Guys, we're missing the obvious one, the easy, the slam dunk, the Karim hookshot. You can get a point? Yeah, I will. What is the robot? I said it two weeks ago. Yeah, it's the 1x Neo. There's no way that's coming out this year. Was that supposed to come out in 20206?

It's supposed to come out in 2026. Oh, okay. That's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah. So we all think Pickle's coming out. Do we think Pickle's coming out? I wanted to say the new Siri.

I think Pickle is coming out. I think it's just going to be bad. Yeah. I wanted to say the new Siri, but I feel like at Dub-Dub, they can't not re-announce it. That's what we said last year. Oh, it's true. Didn't it get announced at Dub-Dub last year? No, two years ago.

Yeah, but it's still not out. Yeah, maybe this year they just spent talking about folding displays. Wait. I feel like I have to ask a question about my Neo prediction. What? Like, if they just send people a lifeless corpse, like a mannequin that doesn't work, do I lose? I think right now. Like, what does ship mean?

I can't believe we're here where we have to say, like, what is ship meaning? I think if they ship and it's still just teleoperated, that counts because that is what they said they were going to do. So you would lose that bet. But lifeless corpse, that doesn't even turn up. No. Well, they're not going to do that. Tesla opt. And we're thinking along the lines of a while ago where we said like, when does the F-150 lightning ship?

It was like, we're saying like 50 people non-review hands-on. Okay. So it's Ford Tesla's cyber lightning rules. Yeah. All right. And I will maintain what I said last episode that if this does ship in 2026, even Peliopi, I'll eat more hot sauce. I can't wait for some. And it gets to feed you the hot sauce.

If that, yeah, you have permission. Mr. Neo? I'm assuming the guy who founded the company's name is either Mr. Neo or Mr. Onex. Natural. Because all companies are... But... Yeah, like Tim Apple. Yeah, like Tim Apple.

Yeah, like Tim Apple, founder and Bill Microsoft. Yeah. And Elon Tesla. No, Elon PayPal. No. It's Nikolai. Elon... No, it's Elon boring, guys.

That's it. Am I right? No, yeah, you have permission to send one of the studio and have it teleop hot sauce into my mouth. Nice. Nice. Damn. Whoa, is that an actual pretty good?

I don't feel like it could get delayed. I don't feel like it. Are you just throwing it out there? Are you kind of throwing it out there? I don't feel like it could get delayed again, but I've been wrong many times. So if you get it wrong, is there a penalty in point? No, it's just less chance of winning.

Not unless you're got it. Okay, got it. Okay, yeah, I'll stick with mine. My new street light manifesto album. Definitely. Yeah. How about, ooh, okay, here's one. Okay, this is actually a good one.

The Honda-Afila Sony car that they did announce at CS is going to ship this year. I bet you it will not ship it. The SUV or the car? Because they rolled out a brand-new SUV without even shipping the car. I'll take either one. Either one shows up. The car. The car.

Okay. Yeah, I like that. I like that guess. Yeah. Will Threads federate. No. No. It's over.

Threads, federate. Now, can we get a definition? It's over. Will feds thread a rat? Because I'm asking for definition because at the moment, I share to threads and it shares to the Fediverse. But that's not what you're talking about? So what do you mean by?

The full federation would be someone replies to you on Macedon. You see their reply on threads. You can like their reply, which you can currently do. But you can also reply. Which you cannot currently reply to that reply. Can I say something? Okay. You know why the Fedaverse will never work?

Because you've been trying to explain it to us for three years and we're still asking the same four questions? It's so easy. It's like you post something on Nassadon and you see it on. Yeah, it needs to get to the point where we don't need to explain it. That's the issue. Picture a world where you cannot email me because you have Gmail and I have hotmail. Yeah. Now picture not that.

That's the Fediverse. Everything works. Everyone says no The entire Fediverse is over No Oh just the Threadiverse The Threativerse is over Yeah that makes sense

Will Apple or Samsung Get a silicon carbon battery product Phone Product or phone What do we think? Yeah you have to Oh they make so many products What if my Samsung washing machine

Has silicon carbon Yeah Phone Well Samsung or Apple Those two companies only Specifically those two Because we've already seen them From the Chinese

Manufacturers One or just yes or no. Either one. So I have some context that might help this answer. When I was at Google I.O. last year, a pixel engineer came up to me and he said, I know you guys keep wondering where the silicon carbon is coming in the U.S., but I just so you know, all the Chinese companies are shipping it, and it's very unsafe. And like it gets, like, it has way less charging cycles than regular lithium ion.

And we're not using it because, yeah, it's higher capacity and last longer. but they die within like two years. It also expands. And they expand worse and blah, blah, blah. So it seems like the Western companies are more concerned with like longevity and or safety, especially Samsung, who has had battery problems in the past, which would lead me to believe that nobody's going to use it this year. Although, does the iPhone Air use?

No. No. It does not. It doesn't. So that's an interesting. I've heard some of those same anecdotes from people who are. work at these companies. I think that that means that at the end of this year, we'll know if that's true or not, because we'll have two-year-old, like 1 plus 13 will be two years old. And so we'll

have two-year-old silicon carbon phones out there that will either still be doing fine or they will start to have, they'll start to show their flaws. So I think we'll probably continue to see no silicon carbon from the big two, for one more year. But we'll also find out if that was a mistake or not. I think next year is when the Western companies will start shipping Silicon Carbon, but not this year. Interesting. Okay. I'm going, I'm going, I want to win this game or I want to lose this game.

Okay, nice. Bold pick. Next question. Will the Pixel 11 get a redesign? Can we do Will the Pixel 11 base storage be 256? It has to be. Yeah. You would think. I agree. Now, do we define redesign by like big redesign? No, just a new redesign. confinement from like from seven to eight.

Yeah, because nine to ten was like the same phone, you know, so it'll have, it'll still have a camera visor. It's going to look the same. I think the visor is going to look different. I think it's going to be a redesigned visor, but still be a visor. Kind of similar to how it went from the like melting over the edge to now being its own. I agree. Something about that will change to be more obviously not the 10.

Do you think it's going to be more unibody like the iPhone, but then have like the glass charging back? That would be cool? Like aluminum. Would that count as a redesign? Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they're going to do that. I agree with you. I think it will be a slightly different visor,

but I don't think it's enough to be a redesign. Like a redesign, when you say that, I picture them going with something that looks very different, which... Like you can still... Like a regular phone upgrade. Like all the pixels, you knew they were pixels, you know? Yeah. But...

Like what Samsung goes from year to year is not a redesign. No, no. They're all the same. What Apple did with the pro phone this year is a redesign. Yeah. I would argue every pixel until the 9 to 10 was a redesign. So that's kind of what I'm thinking. Wait, every pixel from 9 to...

From what? From everything until the 9 to the 10 was a redesign. Yeah. It was a different phone. You could tell it was a pixel, but it was a different phone. Pixel 7 and Pixel 8 were super... I would say 7 and 8 was not a redesign. 8 to 9 was a redesign.

9 to 10 was not a re-design. Yeah, okay. That's fair. I guess when I picture redesign, I picture like going from the ground. Like it was a slightly updated design, but I don't think that's a redesign, you know? A redesign is like, let's go back to the drawing board.

Pixel 8 and 9 were different. I know. I said 7 and 8 were the same and 9 and 10 are the same. Got it. Yeah, TikTok. Well, that would mean that they're going to redesign it again and 11 and 12 will be the same. I think something, like they might do like a two-tone color

between the bump. Although I guess that it doesn't connect. It doesn't. They're also selling so well right now that I feel like they're going to be a little bit scared to change anything. Okay, I'm going with, I'm going with yes, they're.

we'll slightly update the visor. So that's a redesign. Yes. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to go with that. I'm going to go with no. It's going to be the same as the pixel 10.

Yeah. I kind of want to go, yes. That would be very Samsung with them. I want to go there will be a redesign. We're going to have to really figure out how to define that. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be orange.

It's a redesign. All right. Next question. What will be the phone of the year? Whoa. Way too early prediction for phone. of the year. Yeah, phone and that's a crazy one.

iPhone fold. I'm kidding. Well, okay, so if we think iPhone fold's going to come out. It will. That's an option, right? Okay. We're going to get, we know the obvious ones are going to come out. Yeah.

We know there's going to be a new S-26 and a new iPhone and a new pixel and a new. And a new Zenfo? Oh. Exactly. Yeah. Let's just show the RG. Shami 17 Ultras coming. And probably the 18 and 19 and 20 in the same area, probably.

Yeah. Yeah. What is going to be the phone of Opo find the 1.15S and then the 16? I was going to say Op. Find X10 Pro. One plus 16 finally decides to put a reasonable camera in it. Above reasonable. I mean, that was everyone's like.

Flagship camera. That was everyone's problem with it. If that happened, I agree that if that happened, it would be phone of the year. I just don't think that's going to happen. I think, I believe in you, one plus. All right, Andrew's gone phone of the year, one plus 16. I could see it. I think that's a good guess.

I'm trying to read my future self what I think would happen. I'm going to, let's go with, wait, Marquez can literally do whatever he wants. I can decide which one wins. I can make sure you guys are wrong too. Wow. No, I think, let's go. But will you?

Let's go Pixel finally figures itself out. TensorFlow. L-M-A-O. I think I thought this last year, too. You did. I think this is the year that Pixel, finally has a high quality chips. Your prediction last year

is the year of the pixel. I think it's going to be the clicks communicator. Yeah, maybe. Oh, January, interesting. Shell. You would probably never choose that as your phone of the year, though. So I'm going to say honestly,

one plus 18 is a good choice. 18? I don't know. If the 1 plus 18 comes out next year, it's definitely getting fun of the year. I would, I want to go with the one plus two. I mean, you can. You can if you want.

I could. I'll do that. I think they're going to fix the camera. They're not going to make it good, but they're going to make it not trash. Okay. They should partner with like a really good camera company. Like Hossibweiss? Oops.

Rip. Whoops. Yeah. They already got rid of that. One plus 18. 16. 16. You guys want to make predictions on fun on the air?

I'm going iPhone fold. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You guys think first generation folds? It's going to be $2,000. I think it's going to be hard to give, because we now know, like, what a good fold is kind of supposed to be. A trifold.

You know, ooh, you know what could win? The trifold. It's not going to happen. But if the iPhone Air adds a silicon carbon battery and a second camera. No way. I think it'll have the second camera. Dude, if it had the silicon carbon battery, that'd be so crazy. It's not going to do it, but that would be pretty nice.

It would be. You would lose two points on this. That's too much innovation in one year. Yeah. fix time. They have to keep selling stuff. I do think the next regular generation iPhone, or maybe the Pro 2, is going to be an absolute banger.

I think with everything going into the fold and out of the air, I think they're going to do it pretty big. What do you think? I mean, this year was already. Yeah, I was going to say they're going to do it. Like two exit next year? The reason it won this year was because it was so much better than last year. That's the reason it won.

Yeah. They finally did the things. So I don't think it's going to win twice. That's a good point. Yeah. Well, then the Verre 2. It's the most expensive one. No, it's the cheapest.

Try and buy a personal assistant, 24-7 assistant, as long as they're not sleeping. For $5,000. The book's Palma. The book's Palma Pro 2. Cool. Next one. Three. What do you think Google is going to add to its graveyard this year?

Ooh. They're going to add something. Gemini. There's no question that they're going to kill something. What are they going to kill? They're going to kill. AI Overview. Kill AI Overview.

Have they officially killed Google Assistant yet? That's a really good one. I would say yes. My Google Assistant is acting like it's on its death base. Well, do you have a Google Home? Yeah. Has it switched to Gemini yet? No, but it is...

All of mine have. So my Google Home app is updated, and all of my Google Home app is updated, and all of my Google homes have switched to the new Gemini Assistant, so Gemini. So, Gemini. So now I think it's time. for them to fully officially sunset Google Assistant. I think that's a really good pick. I think it's probably already officially sunset. I don't think it is quite yet.

Let me just Google. Killed by Google. My Google is, can we talk about real quick? Now I'm pissed because I said AI assistant. Can we talk about how at lunch today? We all spent time just trying to Google stuff and it took us 10 minutes to Google a basic fact because everyone's AI overview kept spinning out a different thing.

And we kept being like, well, I don't know if that's right. my AI review says it's 79 my AI review says it's 45 even though we're all Googling the same thing I hate this feature so much can I I forgot to say this before but Ellis you specifically will like this okay so over the break

I was trying to do something in Notion so I thought it's Notion let me use the Notion AI chat because it's just something I can't figure out how to do so anyways half an hour of this thing just gaslighting me into like these are the buttons suppress. This is what you need to do. This is the menu you need to go to. This is the database.

Every time it told me to do something was not a thing that existed. And then I just give up. And I said, so this is the first conversation we've had and it resulted in no help. So if I've tried notion AI one time and it's given me zero helpful results, what would the baseball batting percentage be of your helpfulness? I said, if you're defining helpful as got the results you wanted, then zero helpful results out of one attempt. Baseball batting average equals hits divided by app bats. equals zero divided by one, which equals 0.000, which is 0%. And I said, do you think this belongs in the big leagues? And it said, not based on what just happened.

And I said, enjoy the miners, pal. And it said, fair. In the car this morning, David and I were just talking about how, like, we're all going to feel so silly in like 10 years when we look back and think, wow, we really thought they were going to be able to do everything. like everything from like cook a meatball parmesan to to invent a cancer drug this is this specifically made me mad and i tried a google a i i i i i'm going to google a i in google docs also those are like you are the i i based on the product that i'm using i feel like you should be able to tell me the

things the product can do no nope no so sorry i'm going they kill notebook lm oh really and they kill. They put a dedicated app out for it last year. Yeah, that's the end of that. Now, think about how much revenue notebook LM generates in the form of podcast. No, insane amounts of data that people are just handing over to Google. If people actually use it.

The way, Oh, that's a good book. The way that Notebook LM, people on Reddit, talk about it is like, I uploaded, like, my entire iOS Notes app that's been there for 10 years. Oh, I uploaded like my entire 50,000 email inbox. Like people are uploading crazy swats of their data to notebook L.M. Do you know how Open A. I was getting in trouble for they like uploaded all those books?

Yeah. Is notebook LM just the way to get all the users to upload all the copyrighted materials so that they can just listen to it as a podcast? And then that also is not because that, yeah, wow. Because like people are doing it for like textbooks and lectures and stuff like that. Is that just like, hey, feed me? I mean, I don't know exactly what Google. lets themselves train on what they don't,

but it would be my guess that notebook L.M is like amazingly valuable for them. 28 minutes ago, OpenAI launches ChatGPT health, encouraging users to connect their medical records. I wasn't supposed to be giving them a medical record to the Oversary, ChapT? Oh no. Wave 4 after dark. I think they're going to kill Project Starline.

That's... That would be really sad. Because we kept it alive for one more year with our video. And I think Google's now like, yeah, and never mind. I'm worried anything I say, Google would be like, oh, yeah. We meant to kill that like two years ago. And now I remember. All right.

We've been paying five engineers to 100,000. No. I'm sticking with Google Assistant. It's also crazy. If you look at Killed by Google.com, however long you think that list is, it's so much longer. It's so much longer than things. It's so much longer than. What's the most recent one?

Dark web reports. Yeah. Jamboard Chrome. Oh, Chromecast is dead. Holy cow. Yeah. They also, Netflix killed the Chromecast, uh,

this up and over the holiday break. You can no longer cast, uh, to Netflix anymore. Damn. Yeah. Anyway, uh, yeah,

I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say Starline, probably a Starline. I want to guess like something, like a YouTube feature. YouTube. It's just, um,

what if it? They're going to kill YouTube search. They'll kill YouTube shorts. Part of me thinks they're going to kill like, oh, oh, the hype thing. That'll be gone by the end of the year. That's going. Yeah, YouTube hype, it'll be gone by the end of the year. I don't think they're going to keep voice comments around.

I think they'll be funny for like a few months and then they're going to. That's a really good, get the good one. Yeah. I like the idea. I like the idea of at lunch Eric was talking about just leaving voice comments on the bottom of videos that's just screaming. So it's just like, oh, that was a funny video. Nice.

All right, one and two more? Yeah, let's do two more. All right. Will there be a black pro iPhone this year? Black? Absolutely yes. There has to be. I think so.

There has to be a black pro. Are you pleading or are you making a prediction? Both. What if they call it like space, dark matter? Yeah, that's still not black. It's fine. It's whatever we consider black. I think we give it.

to Tim and if Tim says it's black. Well, like, space gray is the black phone. Yeah. Like, it's space gray. Dark neutral. Yeah. Dark neutral. I think Marquez's,

can I shoot a reflective surface with this and see the phone is like the, I don't mean like the piano black. Which, I mean, the blue one. Yeah. Yeah, because the blue one's blue. That's midnight blue. It's a blue phone. It's blue.

Like, space gray, it's black. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Like, are we getting another one of those. Space gray is not black. But I would, I would consider that a success. Yeah.

You know? It's 18% gray. You think this is, you think that's black? Yeah. That's black because it's not a color. I don't agree with, it's not reflecting any color. I'm not talking about 50 shades of gray here. I'm saying, is there color or not?

Well, wait, so is white black? I'm going to say, hey, I'm going to say they will have a black phone. Yeah. Because it seems to me that. He's saying pro, pro. Pro, yeah. Because it seems to me that every, the TikToks, for them is like new phone fun, like kind of colorful, interesting, and then the next year they're

like hardcore scary. And then they go back into the fun interesting and then hardcore scary. And they kind of do that. Yeah. So I'm going to say yes. I also think they made a whole bunch of changes with the new pro iPhone this year visually. This is my very scientific analysis. Next year they're not going to redesign the pro iPhone. But they still want you to have a way to be able to tell that you're holding the new iPhone. So it will not come in orange or it will at least come in some new colors that you can hold up and be like, this is the new pro iPhone. And black is one of them. So there was a black titanium iPhone, right? Yeah. Yeah. 15. I think it needs like, I don't know, some of those space grays are just not black to me. Yeah. Where this is black. Okay, space gray.

Whatever. Okay, space gray. Yeah. Just the black doesn't count. Yeah. Some dark neutral. Yes. Okay. We're getting one. I'm saying it. It's happening. I'm still going to say no. Midnight doesn't count. No, it's blue. No, because it's midnight blue. And when you look at it, that's like a dark blue phone. I think midnight's been the closest to blackwood.

I don't know why. It's definitely been the closest. The barometer is the blue. It doesn't bother me. Because if it's blue, I don't want it. All right. All right. All right.

Last one. Yeah, last one. Make it the hardest one. Will we hit a million subscribers? I wish. Come on, guys. Oh, thanks for 500,000. Oh, yeah.

We wanted to do it by end? End of the year. Squeak it in. You can unfortunately no longer hype us. That's why it'll die. That's why my prediction is going to be correct. Yeah. We're unhypeable now.

I have a bunch of more predictions about iPhone class. I think the pro folding iPhone is only going to be black or white. I think the colors will change for the new base iPhone and they will get rid of the fun green we all like. I think there's going to be a dark neutral pro iPhone color. I think the air is going to come in a new color. They're going to add a color for the second air. Are they going to add the camera? I think they're going to bring back the teal from the 16.

That'd be nice. There's a couple older colors that were universally liked that they could bring back. The 12 series purple and the 16 series teal are just... I think the 12 series blue as well. Or pro blue. Can I make a bold prediction for air color? Yeah. Rose gold.

Oh, I like it. It makes so much sense on the air. Yeah. Maybe on the fold. Maybe on the fold. I think fold's going to be one color. Black. You think it's going to be black?

Yeah. It's either just black or maybe black and white space gray. Yeah. I think it's going to be one color. I had the white and gold iPhone 4S. That was my first phone. And I got it and I thought it was so funny to have a gold phone that I just started buying everything in my life and gold. And it culminated.

I just thought it was like it culminated with my freshman year like dorm sheets and bed being gold. Oh, whoa. I just thought it was so funny to be like the gold guy That's crazy I don't know why that's so funny It's really funny, right? It's like really funny, right? It's like really funny. It's really tacky The Rivian R2 is supposed to come out in 2026 It is. You think it's going to come out? I do. I think it will come out in 2026

For the sake of my reservation, I believe You were in an R2, not an R3? An R2, yeah I think R2 will get more orders than R3 Really? Yeah More popular. category. I agree.

But the R3 is supposed to be cheaper and supposed to be way more fun, but the R2 as a category is just higher volume. But the R3X will be the best one. It will be the best one. Yeah. Looks like a Subaru-woo. Okay. All right.

That was it. I think we did it. We did it. Time to get zero points on trivia. Let's go. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, we need the marker. I have one. You have one.

I have one. I have one. I have one. I have one. Pad phone or phone pad. I'm thinking so hard. Pad tie. Guys, which...

Pad C.U. Which one is a fablet. Which one specifically is an eight-inch fablet. Which is a phone? Which one is an eight-inch... A fablet. Fablet. Does not have a dock, no keyboard, just a straight fablet.

The phone pad... Or the pad phone. And remember... No, no, don't say that part. I think I got this right. I think I know what you're going to say. You don't know what I'm going to say. Okay.

Phone. No, that's a... I was going to say. Phone in both of these cases is not spelled with the pH. It's exactly what I was going to say, and I was ready to make fun of both of them for it. No. Ellis, we are on the same.

Yeah, you're right. We have worked together for so long. Believe in me. I didn't know. I thought you were going to say, like, the order to something. I know he just erased it too. Yeah, definitely didn't. And he has it still.

Wait, was I supposed to switch him? I mean, I don't think it's going to care anymore, but. Marquez. I had my technicality. I wrote phone pad. Phone pad is correct. God, do you? You know, we had it on the bingo that Ellis accidentally says the answer out loud before the question is that.

That is huge for me. The phone pad is a fablet that, also, guys, we didn't acknowledge it. A six-inch fablet is hilarious, right? Wow. Yeah. Like, I thought you said, it came in six or eight. Eight inches. It is crazy.

With a number in between that I, you know. Yeah, that's fine. It comes in a... So it's phone pad? With an F. Yes, with an F. So Marquez changed his. I could have at least had all of us at zero points, but you...

Not zero. We didn't finish the last season. Well, for this round. It's just been so long since I gotten points. Can I... Can I break in here? What did David and Andrew put? Pad phone.

He put the same thing as I did, you know? Oh, yeah. Okay, so you both got it wrong. Yes. Cool. So then, quick update. down to score after that correct answer. Marquez with 11.

Andrew with 14 and David also with 11. Look at that. It means so much to me that I got a point that you guys. I want it taken away. 11 club. 11 club. Gary the one baby. 11 11.

11 make a wish. I bet you wish for 14 points. There's two points up for grabs. I could get really close here. Wow. I'm not going to. I'm not going to. I just got.

Someone call the ambulance. All right. After that third degree burn. Wait, hold on. Why would the pad phone not be a phone? That is unreasonable AC. Just think about how you would name a product. If you were making a tablet, you'd end it with pad.

And if you were making a phone, you'd end it with phone. Yeah. So the phone pad is the tablet, the big, big screen. And the pad phone is a phone that plugged into a thing to become a tablet. Didn't I say pad phone phone? No, you said phone pad. No, phone pad is the correct answer. No, yeah, you said pad phone.

Oh, you said pad phone. Right. Because think about it, it's like, it's like, I want a tablet. And your whole explanation proved us right. I'm getting it. You got it right. Wait a second. But yeah.

Think about how you wish. Everything I said, but the other way. Wait, if you're patting the phone, who's driving the car? This isn't something that only Pegatron would do. Yeah. That's true. So true, besty. Okay.

We spoke about Lego. The most expensive set that you can currently buy on the website at time of recording is what. And also, how much is that thing? Two points, potentially up for grabs. We didn't use the trivia question Mariah gave us at the break. Oh, that is a good one. Okay, maybe we can do a... If you get you a third.

You can get one right and one wrong, right? Yes. Yeah, I got it. Are we doing closest without going over? Yeah, closest without going over. Okay. Price is right. Hopefully.

Hopefully. Flip them and read. What do you got? Oh, interesting. Okay. Who wants to the first? I'll start. I want the cheapest. I said it's the death star, and I said that... Correct.

Oh, sweet. It's the death star. Oh, wow. And I thought it was $5.99. $5.99? Sorry, $5.49. $5.49? Yeah.

I can't see the board. Can I got confirmation on that? Yeah. All right. I mean, it's vague. I'm still lower. Okay. Andrew, what did you say? I wrote $7.99.

Okay. And I wrote $7.99. Oh, no, unfortunately. Okay, David. 999. 99. And I said Imperial Star Destroyer, which used to be the most expensive set when I was a kid. But I should have assumed it was not.

Well, you still get one point for 99. That is exactly the price. It was 99 and it is a death star. I was so scared of good. The one I was talking about was there's some new, not a new Lord of the Rings battle, but what battle is that? The battle of Mogs Deep. Is it?

It's whatever the one they do in that big castle, not castle. It's like the walls that they go up all the white walls. You can watch Lord of the Rings? Isn't there like a shit? Isn't there like a shit of these Lord of the Rings? There's only three. There's three, but there's like extended cuts that it's like $2,800 or something. Four hours.

Did it say how much was this, Ellis? Battle of Manas Terith. What the heck is that? Bless you. You would know it. How would this not cost more than the? in this Death Star. How many mini figures?

How does the Lego set of this? There's a Lego set of that? I think. Not have to be more expensive. How many mini figures does that come with? The price I saw is from a leak. Oh, okay. So it's not, I do we know.

But yeah. Should we do the bonus question? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I want it. What the fuck. This actually, how do we, how should I afraid? The Death Star Wars is insane.

It is all the, all the Lego Star Wars ones have like really cool interiors. that you can do. I've got it. I've got it. We weren't originally going to ask this question this week, but it actually does pertain, because we've mentioned a lot of companies on this episode. Sure as.

Today. A lot of businesses. Seattle Ultrasonics. Call me. The Seattle Ultrasonic Knife. That's it. It's the Seattle Ultrasonic's. You win.

Is that their football team? The Supersonics is the now defunct NBA team that no longer plays there. Don't buy Google. Yeah. But one of the companies we mentioned this week on the podcast is the world's largest tire producer by volume. They make more tires than any other company on the planet. I've talked about this. What company is it?

I gave it away. Damn it. I wanted to gain on Andrew. That would have been really fun. I don't know enough about cars. It's actually better. Really? Maybe

Then I'm wrong That I'm wrong Markes is giving nothing away Yeah I mean there were a lot of Apple car prototypes That's true Samson you snap a car I'm so sorry David you're gonna be so mad

When you see the answer to this Is it like is it Google No It's your boy Lego Nope It's Seattle ultrasound Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

It is Lego Way, way, way, way, way, wait. It's Lego. That can't be considered a real tire. So, yeah, it's a tire. It's a tire and a wheel. This is because we were having this conversation. Do you think there's more doors?

I was literally about to bring that up. Wheels and that's a huge factor. It's literally. We are like three hours of recording and you're bringing up the doors versus wheel argument. I literally, we need to get out. I was about to say that. I thought this was going to be a hard one to fact check, but it's not even close. It's like literally not even close.

How many more tires? Are they really considered tires? They're made a rubber. Yeah. Do they have air in them? No. Well, a little bit. There's airless tires.

They're not pressurized, but they have air in them. The airless basketball is still a basketball. Yeah. No, there's a lot of wheels. Boneless, actually, I'm not going to go there. Bollless chicken wings. How do they get the bones out of the chicken? They suck it out?

You don't want to know. That's a perfect place to stand this place. Actually, the machine they use is made by Seattle Ultrasnics. It, like, vibrates the bones out of the... Out of the meat. It's a good thing we don't take two weeks. every two weeks because we would have way too much to talk about but hey thanks for sticking with us this week thanks for watching do thanks for listening thanks for subscribing and getting us past

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