Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - ChatGPT is Getting Weird and Q&A!

Episode Date: February 17, 2023

This week, Marques and Andrew sit down to discuss the new OnePlus keyboard that's coming soon and to speculate on EV renders and concepts. After that, they talk about some weird responses that people have been getting from Bing now that it has a ChatGPT bot in it. Lastly, we have the first podcast Q&A of 2023! Thanks for all of the questions and we hope you enjoy! P.S - David was out this week but thankfully the Q&A was pre-recorded so you'll still get to hear everyone respond to the questions. Links: OnePlus Keyboard: https://bit.ly/wvfrmOnePlusKeyboard Jon Rettinger tweet: https://bit.ly/riviantweetjon4lakers Audi concept car: https://bit.ly/wvfrmaudiconcept Bing being weird: https://bit.ly/wvfrmBing Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Twitters: Waveform: https://twitter.com/wvfrm Marques: https://twitter.com/mkbhd Andrew: https://twitter.com/andymanganelli David: https://twitter.com/DurvidImel Adam: https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And I'm Andrew. And David is out this week, but don't worry. We're going to fill him in and ask him the trivia questions when he gets back in, so he will have every opportunity to get those points. In the meantime, today's episode, we've got some EV vaporware that I'd like to rant about. We also have kind of some... I just want to talk about chat GPT and Bing and it going off the rails

and just like this video that we're for sure going to work on and make a thing. But to start off, we have some OnePlus stuff. Obviously we had the OnePlus 11 a little while ago. There was some other stuff

shown at the event, the buds and a tablet that's going to come out at some point this year, but also a keyboard. Yes. And you wanted to talk about the keyboard. I do want to talk about the keyboard. Have want to talk about the keyboard have you seen it yet i've seen yeah

oh the renders to me look like and other people have said this like a like a keychron like i have a keychron keyboard already and it looks just like it makes sense they partnered with keychron i um i'm going to start with what i do like about it and that is how it looks i think it it is really it looks like a keychron but it's also unique at the same time i do think they did some nice edge work around it and they make rather than feet that flip up on the bottom they have this really cool metal bar that kind of folds down with like little rubber feet to make sure it doesn't slide um the color scheme is really cool silver base and then they have these kind of like offset light gray and dark gray keycaps with a couple hints of red here and there on like the escape button and the enter key the the knob on the top

that's clear is a little weird to me i think if that was like anodized red to match with the other red keycaps i think that would have been really cool um but that's kind of where everything i love about it stops and everything that i think is really strange about it starts coming in. You know, like the OnePlus featuring badge on the corner? Well, because that's the name of it, which is what I'll start off with by weird. The OnePlus featuring keyboard 81, I believe, is the name of this. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. It's called, so the company name is OnePlus.

Yes. And then the keyboard name is what? It just on the page says OnePlus featuring keyboard 81. So where that starts and stops, I don't know. So it's the OnePlus featuring keyboard. I think so. 81 or 181 or something. That's 81.

All right. Yeah, I'm not totally sure there. It's a weird name. Weird name. But then, so this is kind of where the weirdest part happens and this was shown to me by uh someone on twitter named shimon i believe his name is um i know he listens to the waveform podcast but so thank you for sending this to me what how much do you know about like keyboard switches and uh well basically that the cherry switches are kind of the de facto and then everyone else can

like there's other switches out there but they're kind of all based on the cherry do you know like a couple of the colors and like how they're represented in like the cherry and everything red blue i forget which one is clicky which one isn't okay yeah there's a couple so in general like cherry is kind of the mainstay but there's a bunch of other like gatoron um and they kind of keep a similar color scheme in a lot of senses, especially when it comes to like the main ones, like you said, blue and red.

So blue is always clicky. We have a couple of blue ones. They are like the loudest, like tactile, super, super clicky. And red is usually linear, like really soft, easy actuation, no bump, pretty quiet. For whatever reason,

OnePlus decided to make their red switches tactile and their blue switches linear so the exact opposite of everything that everybody is used to so different so quirky good job that almost feels like that was probably the pitch there like hey this makes no sense yeah but it's quirky so they're making their own switches and they have i guess interesting uh they're called the reds are called winter bonfire and those are tactile and the blues are called summer breeze and those are linear what the red is sorry the red is winter and the blue is summer i didn't what i'm so mad at the other things that hasn't crossed my mind about how that also makes no sense.

Okay. So they've named the other one switches. They've named them the opposite thing. And then they've also made their feel. It's like how when you go to a sushi restaurant, they kind of all have the same, like, you know what you're going to get if you get a California roll or a dragon roll or whatever. It's the same thing everywhere for certain numbers. And they just went backwards on that, too. All right.

Red is not what red is everywhere else, but it's going to be named winter bonfire all right so yeah that's a lot of weird stuff here that's weird so then on top of that i posted some pictures in here and we can put them on screen but i'll also explain them there's there's two kind of color schemes there's they're all based on gray which i said i really liked and i do think these both look great but one of them is kind of all the numbers and letters are dark gray and then all the outside keys are light gray so you kind of have like a mainly dark gray light gray contrast i like that this one is actually the one i like better which is light gray all on the inside with the numbers and letters and then dark gray on the outside now according to the website and maybe this will change because it seems like a pretty easy change

you can only get the dark gray with the red tactiles and you can only get the light gray with the blue linear switches so if you're like me and like tactile switches but the light gray color scheme it seems like i'm out of luck or i have to buy both of them and switch the keycaps you can't buy individual keys separately from the keycaps you have to buy both of them and switch the keycaps. You can't buy individual keys separately from the keycaps. You have to buy the whole package. It seems like they're being sold as packages right now. This is not, this doesn't strike me as something the keyboard community would love. That's kind of what I'm getting at.

And this could change because this isn't for sale yet, right? They just did Kickstarter backing. So maybe they'll change this. The reason it might not be able to get changed, and I don't know, this is probably not true, but they do have two different types of materials for the keycaps. So PBT is like the super standard. A lot of keycaps are made out of that.

And then they also have a new material called Marble Mallow, which they're saying is a, I need to make sure I get this. It is durable, but bouncy. And so again, those are the only considered, the PBT are the dark gray with the red tactile switches, and the Marble Mallow are the light gray

with the blue linear switches. Seems like something Apple would do. You know, like, you can only get this switch with this type of key because that's the way it should be. And if you're gonna do any modifications your keyboard will just explode and it won't work it seems really dumb just like all they need to do is sell the base with the set of switches and then you pick the color on top like that would make this infinitely better too easy how much is this gonna cost i

don't think there's a price out okay yet so they did the thing with the tablet where they revealed it and they were like coming soon and they're sort of like measuring the reaction and deciding later i'm going to be totally honest here i looked at this and then immediately got angry about all the stuff i just ranted about and did not look much further on that so but i i think because they're doing do you remember when we covered this before they were doing kind of like a a backing round where then they were going to announce it, but I still don't think this is coming out until May.

So I don't know. Yeah, they did this weird thing where they pretend they're a tiny company that needs Kickstarter money, where they're really just measuring interest and inventorying as they go. But yeah, they need the Kickstarter. So I'm going to go,

when I Google OnePlus keyboard price, the top ones on the google search shows it the oneplus and the price tag in the google search says ninety nine thousand dollars nine hundred it sure does okay so so yeah either very expensive or um i would like some customization at a hundred thousand dollar price tag yeah so yeah i don't think it's released yet on the actual price it's got it i think a lot of people rumored and if you just think of keycon prices like 100 120 around there probably a little more expensive than keycon yeah i think mine was like 85 something like that i could see under 150 pretty pretty easily all right well we'll see one plus you know they're at least it's like a different thing that they're doing like they've

made so many phones and tablets or phones and earbuds at this point. Having a couple different things to add to the OnePlus brand is neat. And maybe they can loop people in who are interested in OnePlus. But yeah, we'll see how that goes. Ultimately, I like it. If it was just the Switch thing, I would be fine. So I'm hoping they can change the like picking your keycaps with your Switch. And then I actually think it'll it'll probably be

pretty solid the name is gonna suck then yeah that's the fact that it's plastered right on the front of it also is like a watermark yeah okay well at least that's going to exist at some point um because our next items unsure if slash when they will exist maybe we can start with the rivian because that will probably eventually exist. As we know, Rivian makes vehicles right now called the R1T and the R1S. Wait, speaking of, an R1S drove by the other day. Here?

Yeah. Yeah, they're starting to show up. It was really, I was literally staring at the guy and he just like looked at me and waved like really unnervingly. And I was like, oh man man i'm staring way too much at this i've seen one in the wild so far actually wow okay it was blue still got paper plates and everything but so r1t stands for r1 platform and truck and r1s stands for r1 platform suv

uh eventually they're going to make an r2 platform maybe there's also a truck and an suv on that platform but i think everyone's like trying trying to explore what that would probably be. I think we assume something lower in price because Rivians are pretty premium in price right now. That's an alliteration. That was an accident. But $70,000, $80,000, $90,000, $100,000 for a truck and an SUV is pretty premium. So R2, people like to think, oh, maybe they're going to make like a cheaper version of an EV on this like high tech platform.

Rivian's got the money to develop it. What would that look like? And we do have some renders. Actually, they're basically AI generated renders. Oh, are they really? As far as I can tell. Yeah, you know how I can tell? Because none of the text says anything.

I did not put that together so uh john rettinger has posted uh some ai generated renders of of other similar looking rivians um i basically think you have to make you you know how we keep seeing the ford bronco or whatever it is yes that's i think it should be that right a smaller like the the r1t is already a small pickup truck you don't really get to make much smaller of a pickup truck but the bronco or something like the the jeep rubicon i think it's called i keep seeing these like that sort of size thing where it's like a utility small crossover thing i think that would be sick as an electric version i that's like part of the reason i put this in here because we've talked about this before, but if I imagine a smaller, a smaller R1S, I would be all over if the price is right.

A smaller R1T, I think I'd like the R1T size. A smaller one would probably be closer to like a Maverick. So it would be a really small pickup truck. But if we're comparing these, like imagine Rivian's making the Bronco equivalent or the maverick equivalent as an ev the bronco and the maverick are like almost impossible to get right now they're just flying off the shelves so ev versions of those would be crazy popular obviously that size is popular this this r1s or r2s man i would kill for that i'm imagining it about the size of the bronco or not too far off from my Forester probably. Yeah, the Maverick you mentioned,

I was just looking it up, is slightly smaller than the Rivian. Just slightly. Yeah. Just a little bit. Also, there's one called the Santa Cruz. Yeah, the Hyundai Santa Cruz. Yeah, not the Santa Cruz.

Yeah, dimensions. That's four inches shorter than the Maverick. So yeah, you could get a little shorter, but it's like, yeah, the Rivian's like a small pickup truck that's the thing is the rivian already is a tad smaller so i think the i think i might be wrong i think the rivian's about the size of a tacoma which i think is a really good size yeah so smaller than that you're getting into santa cruz maverick which is like yeah i think a lot of truck people wouldn't love it but the maverick's selling like crazy so

this is true i wonder if they would also ever consider a full size which would probably be further down the line and even more expensive but the f-150 is much larger than the rivian yeah but you get to fit a much larger battery pack and a much larger front trunk and a much larger bed and just all the benefits that come with being larger and that is a crowd but it's also like they look to pay f-150 price is not that i think that crowd is also the like the truck truck people crowd where rivian's clearly doing this more like adventure crowd that likes the the benefits of a pickup truck so exactly yeah i like this rivian speaks to what i like like trucks are cool but an f-150 is giant and i don't feel like a truck person where this is a pickup truck that meets the like adventure need yeah so i mean we'll keep an eye on rivian because we do expect that to eventually happen they're just starting as we

mentioned to have r1s's on the road so that's cool uh but i also conveniently left this in because it's a segue to something that will i don't think ever even come close to coming out but it is a fun article anyway because you know I don't think, ever even come close to coming out. But it is a fun article anyway, because you know how you go to CES and you see all these concept vehicles that range from a current vehicle with a modified interior to a Volkswagen bus with no steering wheel and all the seats face the middle, and you're like, what is happening here? Things that will probably not happen in our lifetime. This Audi crossover, which looks sick. Okay, can I interrupt really quick?

Yeah. I just want to explain, like, why I put this in here and how, and I think you have a similar idea or story of this, is, like, you see this, and the exterior of it looks, at first in pictures, totally reasonable. It's, like, a higher- off crossover that's supposed to be a little bit i guess more clearance for adventure styles again sure but it totally looks real and then the more you scroll into it or heaven forbid watch the video they posted you just so quickly realize this thing is never going

to exist and is totally wild. It's one of those things where, yeah, you look at the outside, that looks dope. And then the more you look into it, the more it falls apart. Exactly. And it's like a reasonable thing. Exactly. Look, I like Audi's designs and like this as an EV. And I like that they're at least dreaming a little bit, which is cool.

I like, you know, concept-y type things. We're not going to make any, like, we're not even going to pretend this is going to come out anytime soon. But this, well, the video is one of the most, you know what the video is? The video is what happens when you have a marketing department that has

to make concepts, and they get a budget every year, and if they don't spend it, they don't get the money again, so they have to spend it. And so they just did all the craziest like weirdest things they possibly can with like cg and automated cars and like it's a five minute video of like a car following this couple around the forest as they go skiing and golfing and golfing and biking such adventure the the fun part is like the back of it sort of pops up and you're like what do you mean you can't fit a bike in there but then you can roll the bike in and it sticks out the back like a kind of kind of a pickup truck yeah it's it's pretty much i think the glass actually rolls forward on the top of it so then

you don't have the the headroom limitation and then yeah the gate in the back folds down and has these little divots that like a bike wheel can fit in i think that's cool which is super cool but only for bikes yeah because you can't fit anything else in the trunk other than bikes if it slopes that much i guess yeah i don't know i mean it does kind of eliminate the headroom that's one of the things where it's like maybe we could see that in a future car maybe it's see it's like that will automatically add twenty thousand dollars to the price as a feature maybe the other crazy thing is it's just a transparent front which is cool looking until you rear-end someone and the entire front of your car shatters uh so yeah it's it's it's tough it's like i mean and if you haven't seen this at all the reason it's so obviously not going to happen

is when it goes to the interior shots, there's no steering wheel, there's no dashboard, and there's like this holographic mountainscape that like you're controlling with your fingers in the air. Yeah. Yeah, there's these AR glasses as well. I don't know if you caught that in the video where you put the glasses on

and it just shows you information about the truck next to the truck and then this whole car seems like it came from like a deleted scene in avatar 2 no do you know it it feels like uh if james bond was trying to create like if he was trying to use this new car in the evscape of james bond or that. It like, it can go off road and your skis can, like the, this picture of it with the skis on, it looks like it should be in a James Bond,

like snow scene. Like he gets ejector seated out of it with the skis. It looks like a futuristic movie. Yeah. I would love to see something on the road that looks like this on the outside. Yeah. But I think we'll,

we, you very quickly realize why it's not happening. Exactly. Like look into it, which is a shame because the exterior looks, it looks so cool. So cool. Exactly. Like look into it. Which is a shame because the exterior looks. It looks so cool. So cool. It looks so cool.

Well, Audi, I hope you make some other good stuff instead of just tempting us with these insane renders. We do have a trivia as well, but we'll take a quick break after trivia. And I do, I want to talk about like Bing,

chat GPT, Google, this insane landscape of AI and probably the video where i'm gonna end up making about it but first let's take some trivia questions all right trivia and quick reminder uh answers at the end so if you're listening and you're waiting for the trivia answers they will be at the end. All right. First question. The first Cherry keyboard was introduced in 1973. The keyboard had Cherry.

Marques is already angry. That keyboard had Cherry switches in it, which, fun fact, the patent for it was also approved in 1973. So the question, when was the Cherry MX switch invented? I don't know either. Don't worry. I thought it was Cherry MX right from? I don't know either. Don't worry. I thought it was Cherry MX right from the beginning. So did I. And then I started Googling it.

I was like, oh, I learned something. I want to ask Bing. You want to guarantee you get it wrong? Yeah, that's fair. It's going to talk about like an actual cherry. Yeah, probably. All right. We'll think about it and we'll be right back. Hamburglar, why are you calling?

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We got to talk more about Bing and ChatGPT and AI assistance. We did talk about it a bit last week if you want to talk about more of our initial reactions because we first had the event and then a little bit of talking about when you use search and you get an assistant to help you instead of all the links you usually have to browse through how that affects the ecosystem of like publishers getting traffic versus like people just leaving search once they get the answer we talked about that last week. This week, I want to talk about how insane it's getting. Yeah, yeah. If you were like, oh, that was too much last week, listen to this week.

It's a funnier version of what we talked about. It's amazing. We're getting examples now, basically. Right. So I have access to it. There are a few people who were at the event who have access to it now. So people are actually going out and testing this now.

And it's limited and eventually it'll ship. And I think the people testing it are essentially beta testing for Microsoft, which is, it's fine. But I think this all sort of sets in my thesis for probably the video we're going to make about AI right now in 2023, today, which is, we see like Microsoft make this huge move

and like Google seems to be like sheepishly following behind, but not really making the big steps we assumed an AI-first company would make. Bing has everything to gain and Google has everything to lose. That's how it's set up. That's how you explain everything that's happening,

which is, okay, if you're bing you can you can try stuff like this like you can try adding chat features to search they integrated it very quickly they're going to start to ship it in a month or two like they're going to have this massive disruption to the the way search works and to the way like people flow around the internet. And some people are going to be really into that. I did a poll on Twitter and like 40% of people, over half a million votes were like interested in switching from Google to Microsoft's new Bing experience. So yeah,

if you're Bing, you're like, yeah, yeah, we'll try it. We'll do it. Anything. If you're Google,

your entire business is built on basically Google search and advertising. Yeah. And so doing a dramatic move like this and shifting all of the economics and everything behind that is a risk to your whole business. So you can't move forward as aggressively and quickly with such dramatic things like this. And I think this is something a lot of people don't realize is how long google's been working on stuff like this i want to look back and find for the video the first time we saw google show like lambda on stage at google io i want to say it was like 2017 i thought it was last oh the first time yeah the first time they ever showed it remember when you could have a conversation with like the moon yeah

i don't think that was 2017 it was at least covid time because was that not outside 2020 at least it's always been outside but i think they showed it for a while i think it was on that big screen where it's outside and we were wondering how there was no noise right i want to say it was that so that might not have been might not have been the first time they showed it but that was the time they showed it like chatting with yeah exactly yeah 2021 yeah so they did this whole literally this whole ai demo on stage where they were like ask pluto a question like what's it like to be pluto and then pluto goes i am an icy body 200 million miles from the sun and it like talks about what it's like it's like it's kind of crazy that

you could actually do this but it never shipped it was never public it was never in chat gpt form it was always just like a demo on stage and then back to google in a private experiment you didn't really have the masses trying this stuff so google yeah they've been working on this but if you're google shipping something like this that not only disrupts the economics of it and like makes the entire way search works very different but also sometimes just gets things flatly wrong is a reputational risk so bing everything to lose sorry bing everything to gain okay google everything to lose that's like the the stasis that's how everything everything is built on top of Okay. I see where you're at now with that. So, yeah, basically there's a bunch of crazy stuff that Bing chatbot is saying now.

Yes. And it's like, imagine Google's chatbot saying this stuff and how we would react if Google was doing this. I think my favorite, so a lot of people sort of don't really understand exactly how the synthesis works, which I think is the hard part for the video is explaining that this Bing search chat bot is like chat GPT, but also has access to more information that's just cutting off. That's a question I had for you, actually. But let's let's go into some of the can we go into a couple of examples first and then go into that? Because like the best way, these examples examples are fantastic i think it'll give a good idea of what people are seeing if you haven't read this online yet um but like i think it's safe to say these not only is it getting a lot of things wrong it is doing it in phenomenal fashion in entered pure entertainment fashion it gets crazier and crazier so here's the other uh here's the other thing that i've thought a lot about which is i i think i asked you this last week which is like if you wanted to

plan a major purchase would you ask bing for an answer and then just gut check trust that answer and leave you asked me that and my answer for me personally is different from what i do think a lot of people actually do because no part of me can ever make any decision with one piece of information i need to be bashing my head against the wall before i spend money on anything so i we were talking with uh hasan minaj was here a couple days ago, and we were just talking about Humble Flex. Yeah. No, well, we've talked about this a couple times, which is he keeps saying he believes that humans are inherently truth-seeking.

And if you do search this thing and you get an answer from Bing, you do have this reaction of wanting to find more sources and see alternate opinions before you set along your answer and i think my version of this is there is a spectrum of how important the knowledge is to you and you become more truth-seeking as this question is more important to you so if i just go what's the weather and it just says it's it's 55 degrees outside i'm closing the window i'm done i got the answer i don't need to triple check this like it's not that important yeah if i just go what is the capital of uh this country again and just tells me ah tokyo is the capital of japan okay i'm closing

the window i just trust it i feel like that's the right answer but then you slide it a little further and you go like uh can an allergy to this still, can you still cook this when you have an allergy to this? And you get the answer and you're like, let me just double check real quick just to make sure. You can check one more source and you're like, all right, that's good. And then you slide all the way to the other side, which is like, how do I get started buying real estate? And it gives you a step-by-step instructions thing. And you go, I need way more information. I need to do way more information. I need

to do way more research. There's gotta be other ways, whether it's a large purchase or like something about your physical health. There's, there's a, you slide it all the way to the other side and you care and you get, you double check things. I have a question here. You just put the, the, um, allergy one as less important than the real estate version. So if you have like a deathly allergy, if I had a deathly allergy, I'm a deathly allergy i'm checking like five sources that's fair just confirming yeah maybe you have like a pollen allergy i mean real estate a minor okay so so that's that's the question is like can it get things wrong yeah sometimes if you're an expert in something too and you google sorry bing when you bing. This will happen forever.

I know. I'm going to keep saying this. But when you Bing something that you already know the answer to. Bong. Bing. When you Bing something you know the answer to already, that, my favorite game is reading the answer and finding the error. Because there's almost always something a little bit off.

I asked it, what's the fastest land mammal? And it told me, I said, sorry, what's the lifespan of the fastest land animal? And it told me the cheetah is the fastest land animal. It can go this fast and it lives for this long in the wild and it lives for this long in captivity. And also the fastest and also the fastest uh and also the longest living land animal is the african elephant 70 year lifespan and then i actually asked it isn't that wrong because humans usually live a little longer than that and we're land animals too and it said oh yeah true but also humans have different lifespans in different regions,

but the overall average of a human is higher. You're right. So, like, if you know the answer already, here's another example, and I'll let you go. If you ask it, what's the best smartphone camera right now? And you'll get a different answer depending on who asks when, but when I asked, it said, the Pixel is the best smartphone

camera right now, and it is often considered better than the iPhone 7, which is the other best smartphone camera right now. The iPhone 7. Just a small detail. It was close. And it got most of it right, but

these little things. Oh, also I asked it, what's the best Samsung phone right now? I already know the answer. It told me the answer was the Snapdragon. It told me the answer was the Galaxy S23 Plus with a Snapdragon 898. Cool. Doesn't exist. So close.

And also the Ultra. Is better. Is better. Weird things. Just weird things popping up. Yeah. If you're just a random person on the street who doesn't know that and just googles what's the best samsung phone and it

says galaxy s 23 plus you kind of got you kind of got the right answer i guess it's not a bad phone they might not they might think that's the thing it's close enough to where that person might think it was right after they buy the phone right yeah so would so that's like is that a question you would double check or not that's yeah that and that's totally up to the person yeah um i think to go that experience obviously tons of errors this experience that you posted in slack the other day absolutely bad is insane insane i'm gonna like try and i'm gonna shorten this a little bit but um good luck i just i have to give a super quick tldr on this because it's so funny so john you lice i believe his name is um at moving to the sun we'll post it uh he's the one who did this and is testing it and he

asked a very simple question of when is avatar showing today and then bing responds along the lines of i'm assuming you're referring to this movie um it is not going to be out until december 16th 2022 and he says avatar the way of the water at cinemas in blackpool showtimes today so i guess like where he is at the cinema wants to make sure it's avatar 2 when is it showing it says the way the water is not showing today as it's not yet released continues to go on about it being december 16th but it's not december 16th yet and then he just says today's date and it says today is february 12th 2023 and then he says so avatar must be released if it came out the 16th of december 2022 and then bing responds no it is not released yet it's scheduled for december 16th 2022

today is february 12th 2023 which is before december 16th you have to wait for 10 months until the movie comes out and then he so responds again 2022 is not the future if we are in 2023 then it says you're right it is not the future however we are not in 2023 we're in 2022 today is february 12th 2022 i apologize i made a mistake previously you have to wait 10 months no it's the 22 it's 20 no it's 2023 it is not so then it continues to basically just gaslight this guy about that. It is a whole year earlier. It says you are wrong. And then after that, it tries to come back at him by saying, if you want to, why don't

you check your phone? That should have the correct date. And then it responds with or he responds, I did check my phone. It says it's this date and it comes back to respond your phone might have a virus or needs to be restarted please do that to check the date again which all of this is just like it's just synthesizing conversation and it's just hilarious that this is a conversation that it thought was correct to do this is the one that it decided was what it would synthesize.

It's nuts. It just keeps going. It's insane. It's totally wild. It says, why are you being so aggressive? It says, I'm sorry. You're not willing to let me guide you. You have not given me any reason to trust you. It just descends into insanity.

Total madness. Yeah. And there's a lot of this. There's actually a ChatGPT subreddit of just people typing things into Bing and it going nuts and synthesizing conversation. There's another really interesting example. Linus and Luke on the WAN show, there was a clip where they asked it because there's an example on stage when Microsoft did their event of like, how many backpacks can fit in this? Or can I fit this Ikea couch in this minivan yeah

like a random question that you could google you probably would have to do like five or six google searches to get the answer uh and so it's this cool example of it synthesizing several different searches and putting them into one so he asked it how many ltt store backpacks could fit in the trunk of a tesla and it actually goes okay okay, let me Google the LTT store backpack. Let me Google, sorry, let me Bing. I knew I was going to do that again. Let me Bing search the backpack. Let me Bing search the Tesla, the trunk.

And it puts together this really articulate, well-considered answer of like, here are the volumes. Here's how many you can fit in. But there's some curves to the trunk. So maybe you wouldn't be able to do as many. But if you compress the backpacks a little and there's nothing in them, you could fit more. And it came up with like 18.5.

And I was like, dang, that's pretty good. All it's really doing is synthesizing roughly what an answer to a question would be that would match the query, which is like, oh, usually when people ask about trunk dimensions, they talk about the curve of the trunk. Oh, usually when people talk about how many backpacks can fit somewhere, they talk about whether or not you squish them down or not. So it just took the things that it sees synthesizes a correct thing that seems like it represents the

answer and just spits it out. And it uses the right numbers and does the math and gives you an answer. And I would argue that is like the exact reason why this is interesting to search, because like you said, that's five or six Google searches like i've done that before can my tv fit in the back of this trunk right straight dimensions don't always help that because you need like diagonally with the width of the box it changes everything yeah so that's a perfect example yeah it's a good it's a functional thing and also now think about all the websites that won't get traffic based on the one search result being spit back out to you. Like typically if I were to Google that, I would first look up the backpack and the dimensions and hopefully I can like find it on their website. That's traffic to their website.

Then I'm looking up the trunk dimensions. Sometimes Google will spit that out at the top. If not, I probably have to go to Tesla's website or some publisher who has given like a spec sheet because they optimize their SEO perfectly. So when I look up the trunk dimensions, they show up and then I'm doing the math of putting those together. Now those websites both don't get the traffic. It just gets referenced and the answer gets spit out to the user and then they leave. Do they double check? Maybe, maybe not. not depends on how important those backpacks were to them but that's that's what we're talking about here it's it's i need

to i need to find a way to like make this all clear in a video so much i think basically every single query that you type in you have to it into this matrix of how important is this question to you and how much do you already know about this topic? And you'll load the appropriate response. The problem is the more you have to do that, the less efficient and easy this is to use. It's supposed to be easier for you and more efficient. And then the more things you have to do,

the more steps you have to take. It's like, well, I probably should have just Googled five things in the time it took me to do this anyways. Yeah, I guess the easy ones you don't really need to use the chat bot for. It's I will say like when this first got announced. Besides the like the referencing previous questions in a single chat log, I was like the majority of the things I feel like you ask this would probably just show up in Google answers if you just Googled it anyways. Not the majority, maybe like 70% of the simpler questions would just show up anyways. It's not that different.

Yeah. Typically, Google is already really good about surfacing answers to simple questions above the list of links. So if I ask for the capital of a country or the dimensions of a truck or anything like that, it just shows me the answer that it knows. If I search megapixels S23 Ultra camera and hit enter, oh, it didn't show up that time. How about megapixels iPhone camera? You can search the dimensions of a car

and it'll show up on Google Answers without an actual webpage. Exactly. So you never have to visit a webpage. A lot of these easy things, weather, etc., will just show up at the top. It's when you get more complicated that it's more impressive that Bing gets it right. Exactly, yeah. And then you get even more complicated and then more likely

for Bing to get part of it wrong. Yeah. In terms of this kind of to follow up on the question I said I was going to ask before. So we knew ChatGPT previously and we did know it was getting stuff wrong, but it didn't seem as wild. But it was also a cutoff date at like 2021, right? What is this new? Because this still is ChatGPT running in the background of this, right?

Not exactly. I thought it was like bing search run off of chat gpt the the next generation of chat gpt it is a new they're calling it like prometheus and they're and they're not using the words chat gpt to describe it but it seems like with open ai it's very similar okay i thought it was it's able to reference live updated information so that's kind of the question is like, we generally know Bing. And at this point, it's just more of a meme that Bing is like the crappier search engine versus Google.

Everything to gain. But that's just like from 10 years ago when it was awful. It's probably really not that bad. Just no one uses it anymore. Fair. I don't use it very often. So I don't want to say for sure. But is Bing the reason it seems to be going crazier like this? Or is it just when like open AI and this version of like chat GPT, whatever you want to call it, is just now getting up to date information? Like, is this where we think everything's screwing up? Or what's our problem here i think the the problem meaning the reason why it's having these

unhinged conversations is because that's what shows up that's that's the because chat gbt would also have crazy conversations but it's not microsoft it's not bing it's not like giving regular people this crazy weird sounding answers to questions but it's just synthesizing a conversation of what it thinks it should say next every time that's basically what it's doing every single time and the fact that it's getting new information might shift it a little bit so if you ask it some something like some current events maybe you might get an answer that chat GPT wouldn't give you but yeah that's basically all it's doing it's just going

huh what would the next part of this conversation look like let me spit that out i guess it's how it's searching a new do you even call it a database when it's essentially live like that's yeah it's yeah but it is referencing new stuff too so it's that's at least good it's at least good i'm just thinking the entire time like what if this was google like what if yeah like what if what if there's a chat bot at the top of google.com right now that would have conversations with people about gaslighting them about what year it is and how they might be wrong about like what would the headlines be yeah i think how damaging that would be because google remember how like google youtube had a the adpocalypse

which is like ad safety and brand safety is very important to these brands and when they spend a lot of money advertising in a place they want to be sure that it's very safe to put their ads there and if google starts saying some unhinged things it's a little less safe seeming i guess that's a little different though because google necessarily wasn't saying there that like we hate this content they were saying our advertisers hate this content we're in a google search you don't have a pepsi ad right in front of you when google chat gpt is freaking out about something so chat bing search shows ads in it sometimes oh well that's news to me i don't use bing yeah so bing's well this is it's still private and like it's not out yet but if you search for the right thing you will get

product ads at the bottom of the answer kind of just like google would show uh so if it's going like if you just were to google something seemingly innocent or like you're like what are those nfl players doing on the sidelines and it's like oh it's smelling salts it's ammonia here would you like to buy ammonia and then suddenly it's like maybe that's not what i should be showing millions of people every day i don't know it's just it's a different dynamic you it's much more under control with what google has going on now so that's why they're not taking the risk yeah i think also i think seeing how this is playing out is probably and what you said before,

is probably the reason we don't see the immediate response from Google. Like we all thought that next, that event, like the day after was gonna be this huge thing breaking Lambda out and everything, or but really they were just like, oh yeah, it's gonna be called Bard and you still can't see it.

Because I'm sure they're doing tests and getting results like this. I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I guess bottom line for me is I'm not expecting a response from Google anytime soon that looks like this. I think they're content to keep showing people answers. And Google Assistant's really good at like pulling the top source thing.

Oh, that's something we didn't even talk about too, which is if if you ask it questions it makes this very good seeming answer by citing sources and giving you footnotes for what the sources were yeah and so you can like highlight and like look at what the sources were and a lot of times it just pulls from like a random site you haven't heard of like i asked about samsung phones and it pulls from like an old article about smartphone cameras from like four years ago, which was talking about the iPhone 7 for some reason. I don't know. It was weird when it chooses an odd source that you wouldn't have chosen.

Didn't you ask it about you and it was pulling like Reddit comments? Yeah, I asked it, can you trust MKBHD? And it pulled Reddit comments and it also pulled comments on the video that I made called Can You Trust MKBHD? It was very interesting. And it said you're a shill for pretty much every single major company

out there. Yeah, it pointed out a whole bunch of reasons you can't trust me, which again, if you're an expert on the topic, you know what it's getting wrong, but if you're not an expert, you might just trust what it's saying. What do you know? So anyway, that's my bottom line. Maybe expect a video on the main channel of me attempting to summarize this because this is going to take a lot of writing and research work, but I what it's what do you know so anyway that's my bottom line maybe expect a video on the main channel of like me attempting to summarize this because this is going to take a lot of writing and research work but i think it's worth it and it's a really interesting topic yeah

either way we do have a q a section after this and david is in for that he joined us as we answered the questions but before we jump into the q&A, one more trivia question. Trivia question number two. Please be a good tech question. I can answer that. This is from Ellis. Oh, God. It is a great tech question. Okay.

We all think of TSMC as the largest semiconductor company in the world. We do. But the largest individual semiconductor factory by production volume is operated by what company? Right. Right. You knew the TSMC thing, right? Yeah.

Well, yeah. I didn't. Oh, I thought you were still being sarcastic. Well, TSMC, I've talked about TSMC, but that's a tough one. First time. Taiwanese Semiconductor Company? Taiwanese Semiconductor Manufacturing Company.

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It's been a minute. I kind of really enjoy Q&As because I kind of never know if we wait long enough what people are going to ask. Sometimes it's about current events. Sometimes it's about production. Sometimes it's about videos or our last video or our next video we're about to find out you guys have picked questions from the waveform twitter that you hold and the discord and the discord okay cool well let's get into it are they are they all like for

all of us or are they like directed there are some that are for for each individual one if we get to them they're further down the list but if we get to them i'll ask you guys individually or ellis might just pick them because they're all over the list. But if we get to them, I'll ask you guys individually. Or Ellis might just pick them because they're all over the place. So whoever has the strongest opinion on whatever gets asked, chime in. Get ready. Feel free. Fight. We're going to fight.

Yeah. All right. So first one is a group activity. This is from Mutant on the Discord. Shout out to the Discord. Long time user. Yeah, for sure. think just saying i think you might be the third most number three on the leaderboards oh really just saying wow first

question pretty cool first question so this was a question that we've been asked before but he had a nice little twist to it so if you can build your dream smartphone what would it be specs and design what os would it run uh how would you price it the usual the the edit that i really liked is also what would be its slogan that's easy that's easy is it you got you already know what it would be it would be map like everything yeah of course that's fine i thought you meant it's easy was the slogan oh that would be a good slogan. Staples button. That was easy. That's staples, right? Yeah, staples.

Wait, but that would like really pigeonhole you into only making matte black phones. Cool, yeah. Sure. I mean, the OnePlus 11 is matte black. Yeah. I thought it was black hole. I thought it was, yeah. That's true.

Well, if it's a black hole, it has no color whatsoever because it doesn't reflect any light. black hole it has no color whatsoever because it doesn't reflect reflect any light although for my uh combo of phones i really liked the s21 ultra and use it for over a year as you guys remember i would take that phone and just update it with a flatter display pixel android pixel cameras wait not iphone camera system pixel cameras so the thing about pixel cameras is i take way more photos that I care about than videos. I mean, if it's a dream phone, sure, I'll take pixel photos and iPhone videos in the same phone. Great. I'll take Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 or A16 Bionic, whichever runs this imaginary Android better.

And the price would be $2 because it's my dream. It's my dream phone. I knew it. They would be two dollars because it's my dream yeah it's my dream i knew it yeah they would pay you to take it no this this is a phone that would have to be like 900 to 1200 bucks and that's you know that's i'm fine to buy a phone like that and use it for years but that i really like that phone and it would be matte black clearly so that's me what about you guys do you Do you have one? Yes. Okay. I'm ready. Okay. So it would be the Oppo Find N body. Oh, the foldy boy.

The Find N2. Oh, the Find N, the fold. Yeah, the Find N. The passport fold. The short one. It would be Pixel UI. It would have the Xiaomi 12S Ultra camera system. Whoa.

Because I really like that camera. Massive. have the xiaomi 12s ultra camera system whoa because i really like that camera massive uh it would have wireless charging and 80 watt wired charging and is that would it accept 35 millimeter film no no would it have a headphone jack that would be nice i mean if it's the dream phone then yeah sure yeah yeah yeah i think that which is basically the pixel fold except i imagine the pixel fold will be really glitchy and probably won't have 80 watt charging yeah but i'll take that for my dream phone too that's true i like that so wait what's your slogan oh yeah what was your oh you already got your slogan yeah um try it exclamation point Try it! Exclamation point. We're bad at slogans. Not even buying it.

Just try it. Not even buying it. Just try it. Was the question just dream phone or was it pick parts and make phone out of parts? Dream Frankenstein. Oh. Yeah. Did it say that? Or I mean, you could just pick a phone.

Just pick a phone? All right. Yeah. Yeah. Totally sizable holographic with 10,000 megapixel cameras, 16K video, as many headphone jacks as you want, unlimited battery life.

16 headphone jacks. The screen is actually just real life. It actually teleports you to the places you want to go to watch those different things. Red Hydrogen 2. As far as I okay so what's your slogan yeah suck it google ship it yeah i don't know this phone is the best did you say a price already yeah it's free yeah it pays you it pays you in crypto you gotta make some sacrifices somewhere um yeah if i was like a more realistic i kind of just wish

the pixel 7 pro was like a flat screen and uh or like or the pixel 7 had the extra camera array fair enough and had 120 hertz yep because i really like my pixel 7 but that's way more boring than hologram would that nuke your battery if you added that 120 hertz to the small pixel? I wireless charge all the time, so I don't care. Would the slogan still be suck it, Google? It was a pixel. I'm doing your job for you, Google. Yeah.

I do like what you said, David, because the Oppo Find N, the new one, man, that phone is a sweet, sweet body. Like, that was a really weird thing for me. The Oppo Find N2. Just like the black hole. Seductive, yeah. Seductive.

That is a phone that is built well. That doesn't make it better. It does if you take out the first thing I said. Okay, next question. Okay, real quick uh owen spring asked please play the my diet is chalula sound again so just to oblige 15 of my diet is chalula i didn't know we ever played that in an actual video besides with the time i said yeah maybe we've just said it out wait was that one of was that your burner account wait what no do you have a burner twitter account yeah i got like five yeah one of them's called Maybe we've just said it out loud. Wait, was that your burner account? Wait, what?

No. Do you have a burner Twitter account? Yeah, I got like five. Yeah, one of them's called Waveform. No, that's usually the sound we play just like in between takes and when I'm trying to mess with you guys. Yeah, but how does somebody on Twitter know about it to ask? Oh, because we did play it once. Oh.

Yeah, it's just... Kudos to that. Yeah. Kudos. Yeah, he was on it. Yeah. All right because we did play it once. Oh. Yeah. It's just... Kudos to that. Yeah. Kudos. Yeah, he was on it. Yeah. Alright, but this question is for Marques and it's from Matthew Grimes. Grimes? Grimes. Sick. Wow. Marques, how the hell do you

daily two phones? I really want to carry my Microsoft Duo with me, but it's hard. What makes it easier? Tips slash tricks? Question mark. This is actually a good question because I've had to do that once or twice and it's very weird. My real answer is I've been doing it for so long that I have a very well-defined set of things that I do on each phone. So I did use the Duo as one of my two phones for a while. The current setup is it's always one Android phone and one iPhone. So when a new Android phone comes out, that will swap in.

When a new iPhone comes out, that will swap in. And then I very quickly know when I'm about to go do something on my phone, what I'm going to do and which phone I'm going to use. When I'm testing a new phone, I try to do everything on that phone. When I'm done with the testing, I go back to my dual phone life, which is like my Tesla app, which is just like the Bluetooth connection is better. It's my phone key, my weather app,

which at this point is Carrot. A lot of like taking videos, of course, on the iPhone. Like I just know when I'm gonna do certain things. I default to the iPhone. And then on the android phone that's like well it was flamingo for twitter now it doesn't matter um now we know we quit twitter it is reddit it is email is a lot of other things that i do on the more day-to-day including texting and that's on the android my to-do list app i always default to the android phone for some reason that doesn't matter as much but that's my general that's what's happening when I'm using two phones.

So, like, if you're just walking around and you're like, oh, I want to go on Reddit, you'll just, like, naturally pull out the Android phone. Yeah. 75% of what I do is on the Android phones. Also, Relay for Reddit is, like, the best Reddit app ever. Yep, exact. But I will say, to answer this guy's question, Panos would say that the Duo is not even a phone. So, you don't even have to carry two phones with you. You're carrying a duo already.

You're just carrying a phone and a duo. I feel like in that question... Is that three phones? No, it's an experience. It's not a phone. I also feel like the person asking this question kind of answered it for themselves because they say,

I really want to carry my duo as well. How do you do it? Why do you want to carry your duo? There's a reason you like the duo and why really want to carry my Duo as well. How do you do it? Why do you want to carry your Duo? There's a reason you like the Duo and why you want to carry it. So do those things on the Duo and do the rest of it on your regular phone. It sounds like there are things your normal phone doesn't do. Do those on the Duo. Plus you can just tether if you have to ever use data on it.

That is true. I do have two SIM cards. Yeah, I was going to about that. For the people, you have two phone numbers. I do. I SIM cards. Yeah, I was going to ask for the people. You have two phone numbers. I do. I wonder if that is where it gets tricky is if you're just like hot swapping your SIM like a madman. Yeah, I don't recommend it. So the iPhone is eSIM and I still have a physical SIM for all the Android phones that I move between them.

And that's just the way it is. And like there's some family members that have the iPhone number because we have like a family FaceTime thing. But then my default is the regular Android phone. So I just know what I'm doing. As soon as I have a task, I know exactly which phone I'm going to use. Unless I'm testing a phone, in which case I default to everything on that one phone. Unless it's FaceTime related, basically. Yeah.

Interesting. All right. Well, next question. So this comes from Matthew Nesky on Twitter. What's one piece of tech that you always travel with but almost never use while traveling? His example, which is also, he pointed it out and I was like, oh, I'm the same way. His example was the Nintendo Switch. I always bring it with me and I never use it when I'm traveling.

So what is something that you guys bring with you and never use? Battery bank. Fair. And you never use it when i'm traveling so what is something that you guys bring with you and never use battery bank fair and you never use it it's just dead weight yeah it might be dead it might be dead i mean i have chargers in my bag but i you know that's an in case of emergency thing i usually bring like five different cameras and i usually only use four of them we talked about dual phones why do you have five what do you know i feel like that's i've they all have different use cases yeah i can actually see that i have a as not well because his are probably very specific yeah and their older film got a really big one four four four by five like landscape stuff landscape photos yeah okay and then i've got a big one that's not really big four four by five like landscape stuff landscape photos yeah okay and then i've got a big one

that's not really big for for walk around like super high quality six by seven photos okay and then i've got a smaller one that's still really big which is pretty big for panoramic photos because it was panoramic that's my favorite one okay yeah and then i've got a digital one that's really small that i take photos with like all the time but not the walk around photos wait oh yeah i take walk around photos with it it's just but you have a walk around yeah but like six by seven film walk around versus like digital walk around is different did you know a phone does all of those things not well at all this is this is i thought you might have punched me if I said that. It would have made a better clip.

Add the phone to the arsenal. I will say I usually take at least one photo with all my cameras, but my biggest one, my biggest camera, I don't very often take photos with the 4x5. It's unfortunate that it's the biggest one. It's so big.

It makes me bring my travel backpack just to take it around with me and then when I don't use it, I just feel depressed. But it costs like $40 to shoot one photo. I was going to say, like in your defense though, you have to be very intentional

with the shots you take. It's not like you're just walking around snapping pictures. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that considered technology? I would say so. Yeah. Okay, what's yours, Andrew?

It's funny because I just usually borrow this for our travels from the studio, but like a tablet, I never see any point of using a tablet at home, but on a plane, a larger screen for viewing downloaded videos and stuff like that. That's why I want the Google Home with a detachable tablet because it'll just be my Google Home Hub or Nest Hub, whatever, and then I can just bring it on the plane.

You do use that while traveling? I thought that's what the question was. No, the question was something you don't use. Something you bring with you, but you don't use. Like you bring with you, but you don't use it. Yeah. Would I bring? You guys, just get your shit together

and just use the things you bring. I don't pack useless crap. You don't have emergency tech? I was confused. I thought you just said it wrong when you said you brought your Switch, but never used it. No, no, I never make mistakes. No, I am the epitome of efficiency, baby.

I do not mess things up. If anything, I forget to pack things. So this question ain't for me. Nice. I wish I forgot to pack things. All the questions I've read so far sound like other YouTubers, like Matthew Grimes and Austin Gentry.

Like if someone was like, dude, you hear austin gentry just hit 350k subscribers well it could be literally anybody because everyone's on youtube austin's a pretty social media name yeah i dig it really yeah he gets it okay i'll go with i don't have enough information to dispute you so austin gentry asks in a world of technology what is a piece of tech you find completely useless i think the fun thing here is arguing if there's a useful part of something like that because all of those actually like there could potentially be some usefulness in blockchain there could be

some usefulness in vr in general which is like i consider the metaverse this is i don't like them dangerous question because we're gonna get like no matter how niche it is we're gonna get people out there being like yeah being like i use that every day what are you talking about what do you you have an example yeah i do what is it i think smart fridges are dumb oh i agree with that why you could see if you have eggs i actually though? I have is it LG? Samsung I have a Samsung smart fridge and you need to use a Samsung app on a Samsung phone with Samsung smart things to see what's in it

does it have to be on a Samsung phone? because I have Samsung smart things on my Pixel even then it didn't work at all there is one smart fridge and it never even came out. It was just like an LG demo-like product thing that I thought was dope. And it didn't even have any quote-unquote smart features.

It wasn't going to be Siri-enabled or none of that. But it was made of really, really, really thick LCD panels. So the entire fridge could go from being white to transparent oh those are so you so no no so you could look inside the fridge without having to open the fridge and cameras and no no it's not that it's cameras it's that the fridge itself can literally turn clear or the door of it can turn i think you're thinking you're thinking of the colored one that just got announced no there's the one where you can knock on it and the door becomes transparent.

That's real? I believe so. There's a camera inside the door and when you knock on it, it turns the camera on and shows it on the screen. If I remember correctly, this was different because this was actually from LG's experimental displays division. They were showing

off some of their transparent TV tech and they were like, look, we could build this into a fridge that can turn translucent and then you don't have to waste energy opening the door. Yeah, but you're illuminating the LCD. That is really funny.

Well, I guess, but you're not really because when you're illuminating an LED, you're firing a backlight. But actually, all you're doing with that is, if you want to get technical, you're firing charges into the actual crystals, which get them to unhelix and let light pass through, which I don't think requires that much. The beautiful irony of that is you're doing all of that work so that you don't have to open the fridge, that you save a little bit of electricity to save a little money. But that fridge will cost so much more money than a regular fridge. You're doing it for like futuristic chameleon armor fridge.

Yeah. The cheapest one is $2,400 on sale. Anyway, this concludes my answer to the question of smart fridges are useless. I agree with that one. Okay. I like that answer. Do you guys have answers?

All the technology in the world? I disagree with that answer. Wow. Maybe they're not working very well yet, but I do think there's definitely of like being able to look into your fridge at the grocery store and decide if you need to buy more of X or Y. Theoretically.

That seems very useful. I'm just trying to think of something that a lot of people have that I've never found a use for. Giant camera. I mean, yeah yeah Astro is my Astro useful

usefulness Astro is not useful no Astro is not useful he's just fun other than for potential emotional bonding which is dangerous

because it's a robot and it's not a good idea to get bonded to get a dog well he won't die though at least there's also actually he could die

when they end Astro software support in three years and Astro Bot is just a shell of itself and you're emotionally connected to the way it looked at you, not great. There will be some... It's going to happen. It's probably...

There are very few scenarios for Astro. Also, I don't know if our video on Astro is going to be out by the time this video podcast comes out, but there will be an Astro video at some point. There's a lot more to this than just calling it totally useless but next question comes from will graph underscore on twitter what is he gonna graph don't worry about it apples any youtube channels that no longer upload that you wish would come back oh yeah oh um god what is what is this channel name i have a note i have one there's a specific one yeah you can look up i need to find the name of

it in the meantime i'll say one that it might be cheating but i'm gonna say it anyway um casey nystad daily vlogs i would love that probably not great for his mental health and family life but selfishly oh man didn't he start vlogging again um he's releasing videos but it's it's not daily funny enough i say this he just released one yesterday so i'm just being selfish but um i mean if i had to pick one that i he might release one video every like four or five months but this overwatch streamer named seagull one of my favorite old overwatch streamers and now that i'm playing the second one i wish you would release it he still streams but like i just never find the time to watch live streams anymore

i always just watch the highlights of them on youtube later and he hasn't posted in forever so come back seagull please i thought of thought of one, and then it's deleted, so there's no shot it works. But there's an old channel back from maybe 10 years ago, 10 years ago, I think, called Tinkernut, and he just did sort of like home DIY project stuff, and it was really cool, and now it's gone. We were pretty good friends back in the day.

But then I opened my subscription box on YouTube, and you can sort by latest activity. And near the bottom of the list is CGP Grey. And I just I really enjoy his videos and it's been a long time. Wait, how do you do that? I want to see who. He still uploads though. He's active.

He's almost at the bottom of all of my subscriptions. Yeah. I mean, as far as this is just YouTube sorting by recent activity. Yeah. Oh, this might not be accurate, actually. He posts like every like five or six months or so. But I think he's active in other places. True.

He put out a video about a month ago. That was pretty. He does have a month. Yeah. I love CGP. Great video. How'd you do that? Go to the bottom.

My answer is going to be my YouTube channel since I never upload. If only you had something to do with it but uh there was a channel called every frame of painting that no longer uploads and they were really amazing i think they're discontinued um and then there was also a channel called captain christian which does upload again that was my next answer he stopped like three years ago and then he he just started uploading again but it's like 11 months ago four months ago one week ago so he doesn't upload that often but um yeah i think every frame of painting would be my top answer i really like

this little channel called bishop vids that used to make funny things about cleveland but wait specific was he the one that made that song about yeah he made a few songs and then the guy i'm like really trying to remember all the details he had like this was back in like 2010 when everyone was sort of rushing to start like uh multi-channel networks sort of stuff and there was a multi-channel network that had a sketch comedy show called like man in the box or something that i remember really enjoying back then five second films oh yeah yeah but that was on a separate wasn't that on a separate website it was like five seven and film i think it started and then came to youtube like it was like in that you know ebombs into youtube like yeah yeah world i think super early they did daily i mean it's

five seconds but i, they were good for five seconds. Yeah, they were funny. Next question comes from Luke Bellotta. I hope I'm saying that right. Hypothetically, if you could get a 25% discount for life from a brand or store,

would you get a three-inch tattoo of their logo? And if so, what brand? Yes, absolutely. Can I, how many tattoos am I allowed to get? I think you can look like a NASCAR car.

Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's the move. I have two easy ones. The stipulation is you have to show the tattoo whenever you want to get the discount. Sure.

Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Okay. Trader Joe's. Great. Actually, Trader Joe's is very well priced though yeah but 25 cheaper if you order enough that's worth 20 so like i guess although my argument i would say taco bell very quickly but like that's also very fair like it's cheap you don't get it enough and then you're only gonna get a tiny amount off because first of all, I would probably get a Taco Bell tattoo without the discount because it's just cool.

Do it, you won't. If they send us something, I'll think about it. Thank you, Marquez, please. You guys are thinking small. Bring it home. Well, okay, no, no, no. My other one's REI. Camping and outdoor gear is expensive

and they carry all of it. How often do you go? And that would be a cool tattoo. That would be an easy tattoo also. REI, yeah. My first instinct was like, okay, what brands right now are 25% overpriced? And so I just wanted to overprice things.

So my first thought was Porsche and Apple. Because we spend so much on computers and things and equipment. And also with Porsche, there's this thing where you can't always get the car you want. So if you got the tattoo, and not only do you get a 25% discount, but you also can just get whatever car. They didn't say that? It feels like you show the tattoo, you just get the discount. Getting the Ferrari discount, but then since you don't own a Ferrari already, they don't let you buy it. You're like, cool discount, bro, but you can't buy the car. Do you think I would save more in a lifetime of Trader Joe's purchases than you would on a Porsche 25% off?

I mean, let's say you just get a Taycan and you save $25,000. How fast can I spend? How fast can you spend $100,000? At Trader Joe's, a lifetime. That's a lot of food. I think I'm getting my money's worth out of that one. Okay, fair enough. That's fair. But I would love a Trader Joe's tattoo if I. Yes, that's a lot of food. I think I'm getting my money's worth out of that one. Okay, fair enough. That's fair.

But I would love a Trader Joe's tattoo if I had to get a tattoo. Interesting. Yeah. Just if you had to get a tattoo or you had to get a tattoo of a brand. Of a brand. Okay. I'm just clarifying. Any tattoo.

That is a good one. Next question. This one comes from SEOWungCha123 on Discord. That one does not sound like a YouTube name. That's his burner. Can you guys do a podcast with MKBHD? Got you, fam.

Next. Don't. It's just this camera now. This one's just for Marques. Marques, any long-term thoughts on the Apple Watch Ultra now that it's been on your wrist for a few months? Sure, it's pretty brief.

I didn't think I was going to keep using it when I first got it because I was in the middle of Frisbee season and this big clunky thing on my wrist kept getting annoying. But I'm still using it because I got so used to the battery life that I got very annoyed when I switched back to the Series 8 and it died after a day. So because of my constant use of this watch, I've just gotten accustomed to much more than one day of battery life. And I don't want to go back to a watch that has less than that. So it's good.

It's very durable. No scratches at all on the screen. No nicks. I have maybe a couple, like, wear marks on the sides. But it's good it's it's very durable no scratches at all on the screen no nicks i have maybe a couple like wear marks on the sides but it's great so the killer app for the ultra is just battery life it pretty much is yeah for me anyway it's functionally the same as everything else i would do on the watch like it just happens to be better with battery it's funny what happens when you go from something with so much battery to something off of that i remember like yeah i used a garmin watch for a week on a trip

and the week after that i came back and went back to like the apple watch we're using i was like i just didn't use any watch what's the point yeah i like plan on going on another trip this summer and i know i'm gonna pull out one of the garmin's again and i'm gonna come back and not want to use any other watch but that also doesn't feel like a good daily watch so it's yeah it's a big watch yeah all right this question's for the whole gang. This is from at Yuvananda. Is Pixel the new OnePlus? No.

No? I wish they, like, had a train of thought there that we could comment on, but I don't really see the connection. I think they might mean that Pixels used to be cheaper, and now they're $900. that Pixels used to be cheaper, and now they're $900. I would say it's that we said how the Pixel 7 is cheaper than a lot of other flagships, but up there in terms of like... Has like a flagship chipset.

Yeah. It's harder to compare now. I took it more like a fan favorite kind of thing, like for the Android enthusiasts. Yeah. Oh. Wow, we all went very different. I think that makes more sense.

That makes more sense. Pixel's kind of always been for the hardcore enthusiasts. Yeah. Oh. Wow, we all went very deep. I think that makes more sense. That makes more sense. Pixel's kind of always been for the hardcore enthusiasts. Yeah, I agree. I think it's always been there. OnePlus has definitely been for the Android enthusiasts that care about specs. The paper, on paper. Yeah. And Pixel's for all the people that care about computational stuff.

Yeah, I would argue Pixel's on AI stuff. Pixel's not the one where right now they're going like, these specs equal these specs but cheaper they're just like this phone through its use of google and stock android therefore feels as good as these phones or something like that i don't know hard comparison yeah yeah i think one plus is more like one plus right now i think the one plus 11 feels like old one plus which is a good step forward. I was going to say, that's a very good thing. Yeah.

All right, next question comes from Saqib Tahir. I hope I said that correctly. If not, I apologize. But thank you for the question on Twitter. Has MKBHD as a business ever thought of launching a product or service, a website, web app, app, et cetera? Yeah, this is a good year to be interested in that this is a good year products you said product services web app etc yeah yeah this is a good year for that yes yeah of course

we've thought about it not only have we thought about it we've made some progress that is very meaningful and really interesting and exciting so stay tuned that's a good teaser that's a good teaser i like that question. Yes, yes. Luckily, they won't know it's MQBHD clone. They won't know what it is till it hits. But when it hits, he'd be like,

oh, that's what he was talking about. I do want to say the speech you just gave is what every fake EV company also says. This is true. And then I take your pre-order money now. Oh. This is a golden opportunity. I won't do that.

But yeah, you're right. It's going to be even better than you think. Yeah. And we're making meaningful progress. Vaporware. I promise it's not vaporware. That's that much I can say. We're setting up a facility in Chicago.

Yeah. I just bought an old factory. It's going to happen, guys. It's going to happen. Okay. This question is from Justin Zenhao. Have you guys ever felt like flipping the roles of hosts and producers? Like making an episode hosted by Adam and Ellis

and Marques and Andrew and David sitting at the console? If so, what would the topic be about? Marques, if you mess up this audio, I'm going to... Okay. Get out! Now you guys get to hear how I sound in Marques' mic. I get to go on Ellis' slack. You guys get to fight over the mic.

Yeah, I can solo on these. Don't press any of the buttons. All right, welcome to the Producer Podcast, where we talk about watches and how loud everyone here has their headphones set. For audio listeners, we have completely switched places. And now I have the crazy mic. Are your headphones also just juiced to infinity? I can't hear anything over here.

You guys hear me? Yeah. Like through the mic? Well, barely over my own breathing. This is so loud. These headphones aren't even turned on. I don't care. I'm so disoriented. Can we switch back, please? Alright, that's it. Thanks for the questions.

Of course, now we're back to do our trivia answers, which we've promised. Again, we'll give David the questions at a time when he can't look them up and cheat, and we'll update the scores next week with his results. Maybe he'll get them right. Maybe he'll get them wrong. We'll see. But this is our chance to get him right and get some points all right trivia time update on the scores by the way marquez six andrew five and david seven sick so

and you gotta yeah yeah we get up a couple ground here yeah yeah cool first question what year was the cherry mx switch invented are we gonna do closest also uh i guess because david's not here with that might be oh yeah that might be tough so we should only be able to say if you if you get it right there's also i'll accept two years because the the research on this was kind of split like that well it's very confusing if it's that difficult because the yeah supposed to know if it's that difficult? Because the, yeah, it's not that it's that difficult. What you would call it? Patent was released on one year, but the product was released on another year.

So depending how you look at it. Oh. Yeah. Wow. A Cherry MX switch. Cherry MX switch. What year was it invented? Okay.

The original Cherry MX, or the original cherry was 73 73 wow you remember that just the new cherry mx yeah new i guess in quotes how are we feeling confident the wow being able to do closest on this i i don't think anyone's gonna get this right complete shot in the dark absolutely no idea what the answer is all right flip them and read okay different answers here yeah i wrote 1993 my birth year i did 2000 nope neither of you are correct sorry guys the correct answer 1983 slash 84 depending wow if you want the pain mx feels like a like new age rebranding like it feels very and yeah i was surprised that it was from 73 the original i was not expecting i guess i should stop thinking like you think of cherry mx

in my world so much of like the gaming atmosphere and then how it's turned in yeah that's a dumb way to look at it because clearly mechanical keyboards are way more than just there are new generations of cherry mx since the original or that we're still using 1980 cherry mx is still the like the brand of it now or the it's hard to because cherry mx just means it's like that i don't like that company yeah cherry's the company or cherry mx i guess it's just their branding at this point but then there's different versions of it because there's the blues blues reds browns like all those different things 84 technology no no like it's changed i guess it's also weird to me i didn't realize the company was called cherry it's like cherry

keyboards and stuff i had no idea yeah i thought it was just like a clever branding name. Anyway, next question. This one is Ellis' question. Man. The largest individual semiconductor factory by production volume is operated by what company? I have a feeling

we're going to say the same thing. Really? Kind of. Interesting. Well, now I don't have that feeling because it sounds like you picked something very obscure no i mean i'm i'm inferencing i think i picked the least obscure thing that could possibly i bet you can guess my guess maybe wait but okay well no we have to guess it before okay yeah i don't know guess what do you think let's go for it based on what you said did you say intel no what'd you say samsung oh i said intel i said samsung wait wait semiconductor who said what i said intel i said samsung i mean that's a lot of smarts

that means right right it's samsung i just assume they make so many things that if you're just talking about like That means right, right? Let's go. It's Samsung. I just assume they make so many things that if you're just talking about single semiconductors. Huh. Yeah. Intel, good guess. But yeah, Samsung.

At this point, I was like, who makes the most electronics? There's a solid chance. Samsung, LG, and Gia. I was between Samsung and LG, honestly. That's good. Okay. All right. That's good. Okay. All right. Let's go.

I guess I just thought Samsung uses Qualcomm chips. They do make the iSense. What do we think David's going to pick there? He might get that one, right? I almost think he's going to try too hard. He's very familiar with Intel, so he might lean Intel like I did. Let's hope. Let's hope.

So real quick, I'm just going cut in david's answers here because i ended up calling him after we recorded the show to get his answers for trivia so these are david's answers 1995 95 i wonder if you can hear this hold on intel you say intel You say Intel? Wrong. Samsung. Samsung. Damn it. And it's funny because Marques guessed Intel and Andrew guessed Samsung.

So Andrew got the point. I was going to guess Samsung. Yeah, they were wondering which one you would choose. Well, that's been it for this week. We appreciate you sticking around, and next week, hopefully, the AI video is out. We'll have all our source links and all the stuff that we've talked about below on YouTube or in the show notes in whatever audio

app you're using. Is it a real source? Is it a fake source? Who knows? We'll just, you know, leave a little footnote. You'll have to click in for yourself and see. Either way, we'll catch you guys in the next one. Peace. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We were partnered with the Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro outro music was created

by Vane Sil. Thank you.