Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - DALL-E 2 Recap and the Perfect Mini-Android Phone

Episode Date: May 20, 2022

There wasn't any big news this week but there's still plenty to talk about! First, Marques and Andrew discuss the latest MKBHD video about DALL-E 2, which is an AI that can draw almost anything you ask it to. Then they talk about the dream mini-Android phone that the founder of the Pebble smartwatch wants to make, before they wrap it up talking about the newest drone from DJI. Links: DALL-E 2 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCBEumeXY4A DALL-E 2 subreddit: https://bit.ly/ep116dalle2reddit Open-source DALL-E 2 alternative: https://bit.ly/altdalle2 Pebble owner smartwatch article: https://bit.ly/Pebbleowner Small phone website and form: https://bit.ly/smallphone Twitters: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Shop the merch: shop.mkbhd.com Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And this week we've got a bunch of Apple rumors sort of rounded up into one segment. We're going to talk about a bunch of stuff. A new DJI drone

that might be everything we've wanted and more. Maybe. Might be. And also an old favorite Pebble might be getting back into the tech game in a way that you're probably not expecting. But first, Dale. Dale. Did I nail that? I feel like I nailed that.

I just learned about this today. Yeah, it's the Pitbull. Pitbull says Dale a lot. But we did finally release the video that i was talking about last week i think i talked about it a little bit yeah about the open ai ai tool called dali 2 d-a-l-l-e 2 um we'd gotten access to it and the the craziest part is just the simple fact that all it needs is some text input and it will turn that into a realistic image in whatever style you want. It doesn't even have to be realistic.

Oh, I guess. Of whatever you want. Okay. If you give it a painting prompt, that's still like a realistic painting maybe. I don't know. It's insane. It's incredible. incredible so i i like starting with showing people this person does not exist.com because that if you just go to that website it shows you like a realistic high resolution face and that's

not a real person and what it did is it's taking a whole bunch of images of a whole bunch of other photos of people and creating with what it knows about faces a new face from that some of them have beards some of them have glasses some of them are in random environments, but they all look surprisingly realistic. And Dolly is just, you tell it what you want a picture of, and it will give you that thing, but it isn't real, obviously, because it's creating a new version of it. And it was a lot of fun to play around with.

Almost too much fun. It probably stalled some of our workload at work. It was worth it. For a little too much, yeah. Worth it. Yeah, it does some really, really cool things. And we gave it some really strange prompts. Most of the time, it totally nails it.

Or not totally nails it, but gets really, really close. Obviously, can do what you ask, but there be like little things here and there that are a little off yeah um we gave it some some pretty tough ones one in particular i think was a chicken nugget surfing in a bowl of chicken soup something weird with hawaiian sauce yeah with hawaiian shorts on yeah and it was very confused so basically the idea is like giving this thing a prompt is you can give it a very simple prompt. Yeah. Like we started simple with like a blue apple and a bowl of oranges or even just like an elderly kangaroo.

Something simple. And we'll create that for you. And that's amazing that it can make that image. But it also is kind of cool that it gives you like some environment and a pose and like some surrounding details that you might not have asked for because it realizes that they fit like when i asked for an elderly kangaroo it was like leaning it was in some sand one of them and it was like kind of squinting and it would kind of look sort of like hunched over all these little details that were not part of my prompt but what we found is you could give more and more detailed, interesting prompts, and it would do everything you asked for, to the best of its ability anyway, in the picture you asked for.

So I started off with some pretty simple prompts, but then I asked Dolly for a painting brand new images of paintings of goats that look like the Mona Lisa taking pictures with a tablet that looks like an iPad. Yeah, it did a couple things also. Like, I feel like it took of the Mona Lisa and rather than the style of the artist of the Mona Lisa and how it was painted, it took how the Mona Lisa was posing more so

and like a medium bust head shot of it. Yeah, they made it a painting instead of like a photo. And then they made it like, you know, the brown colors and the sort of pose of the way Mona Lisa was in the picture. So to varying degrees, it nailed that. But then taking a picture with an iPad meant it had to hold an iPad.

So all of the goats in our pictures had hands instead of hooves. That was funny, yeah. Like that's nuts that it did all of that by itself. And I think my favorite detail of it was so all of them obviously had tablets because we said iPad. One of them specifically had the Apple logo on the back. Another one just had a picture of an apple on the back of it. So but like red, like 3D, like just looked like a children's like if you had a book that said a is for apple on it like that's what the apple looked like on the back which i found hilarious because it clearly just like we never wrote apple in the prompt it just said ipad so it took the apple logo and then

for some reason put a different apple on it and i thought that was a hilarious kind of like brain fart dolly had it's fascinating. That was entertaining for sure. So in the video on the main channel, we explain how it works, what it's doing with clip and GPT-3 and diffusion and all these things that it's doing to create this amazing image. So I did a Twitter thread where I posted a bunch of my findings and all of the things that it generated for me. The last one that I didn't put in the video was just I asked for the meaning of life. And it gave me an image that it's kind of a photorealistic picture of the ocean. And you can kind of hear it when you look at it. But it was just life.

Just life as it is on Earth, which is kind of interesting. So it's not 42. Yeah, it didn't just print the number 42. Actually, that's funny. A lot of the other random quirks about D't. Yeah, it didn't just print the number 42. Actually, that's funny. A lot of the other random quirks about Dolly are the things that doesn't do well and the other extra things that it can do well. So we're all amazed by like, yeah, give it a prompt. It'll generate a new thing.

And we have a video actually coming up on the studio channel. Maybe maybe live by the time you see or hear this, where we go head to head prompt for prompt. Tim, the graphics designer here versus Dolly with the same prompts, and then a blind test to see who can identify who made what. But the other stuff is, like, Dolly's not that great with specific text. So if you ask it for a sign that says a certain word on it, it's really good at generating the gist of the image. Like, it will make a really good photorealistic sign,

but the letters might not be the right letters so it's just a sign with letters on it um if you ask for a burger king sign that was my favorite burger kern or something it was close but it didn't get it right and the other thing is like relative position sometimes is wrong so if you ask for something above something or something you know underneath something it might swap them because it's still generating an image with the things you asked for. But for some reason, relative position is not, uh, as strongly like, like coded, I guess, into the way it generates the photos. Um, other than that though, like the in painting is super cool. You can ask for a room and then you can ask for a room with a couch in it and you can just tell it where to put the couch and it'll put a couch in the room to match the perspective and lighting in the room

which is cool you can ask it to sort of transform an image into an image towards another prompt so you can ask it to for example demodernize a gadget and so you put in a picture of an iphone and it slowly goes what's an older version what's an older version what's an older version until you get like not just an old iphone but an old phone which is crazy and we did that they they had a version with a tesla turning it into an older car it's just fascinating watch the video it's worth checking out and there is also a subreddit of yeah i just found that this morning, because it's like once you start looking at these, all you want to do is look at more. So this subreddit or Dolly 2, we'll post it in the show notes. But if you just want to keep scrolling, keep looking at crazy stuff that Dolly's created, this thing looks like it's posting a lot.

It's got like 20 posts from yesterday. So if you want to just keep going. Probably just collecting because basically Dolly 2 is super limited. Not everybody has access to it. You can request being on the wait list, but it's pretty clear not a lot of people actually get to use Dolly. So it was cool that we got to

and it's cool to just follow what people are plugging in and seeing what happens. Oh my God, this is hilarious. Happy raccoons wearing colorful turtlenecks. That's amazing. It's the things you have to do in your mind to come up with a unique prompt just to see what it would say it's hard we had we sat down for a while

trying to yeah just to come up with what do you ask for it like we asked okay apple car we gotta ask you what the apple car looks like and of course yeah we got our results back and you asked dolly for apple car and it goes oh okay yes apple and car i can do that and it made a car that looks like an apple uh should have thought of that but okay makes sense context matters but you know this one i'm looking at here two tyrannosaurus rexes having a tender moment at sunset pixar movie trailer still that yeah that's pretty good it's just like the silhouette of two t-rexes um cuddling a little bit and there's some stuff yeah definitely check out check out our video we have a new video coming out on the studio soon like you said um if it's

not out by the time this is out it should be up next sometime next week but dolly's amazing everyone should get a chance to look at it yeah one more side effect since you probably won't get a chance to actually plug things into dolly yourself are some people did point me to some open source dolly alternatives basically where you like dollies yeah more or less like they don't they're not as high quality but they still kind of attempt the same thing through different methods of ai so i'll probably try to link one or two of those as well worth checking out but yeah that's dolly that's dolly dolly i have another thing here that you told me as you were reading the script you had not heard of. So I'll kind of explain it to you a little bit.

Break it down. So we all remember Pebble. We were actually talking about Pebble the other day. Just about tech that's kind of been maybe not forgotten but not around anymore. And Pebble's that company everyone knew and loved had a real cult following of kind of like the dawn of smart watches yeah right um so they're not around anymore but apparently the old founder eric i'm gonna try and say this last name eric migakovsky okay does that look right sure cool all right thanks eric oh we'll be saying eric for the rest of the episode. He made a website talking how much,

or on his website, talks how much about how he loves the iPhone mini form factor, but he loathes iOS and really wants an Android version, and he really misses small phones, which apparently is funny because he's also 6'6", so that's interesting. I'm not alone in the wanting a small phone camp. Well, there's a lot of people,

but we also just saw the the iphone mini not being brought back for the 14 lineup so it's a small group that is very it's a very vocal minority a small group that is very passionate about the small phone yep so he eric wants a small phone he made a website and he's convinced that if he can get 50 000 people to sign up about being interested he can convince a manufacturer to bring this to fruition. A small Android phone. So he, right now he has 6,000 signatures, but it's only been up for like 24 hours. So I just kind of have, he had a list of what must have, what would be nice to have, what he's looking for.

I thought, let's go over it. Let's see how interested you are, how interested people, our audience might be, and they can let us know. Does he actually believe that 50,000 signatures is enough to convince someone? I don't know. I'm pretty sure millions of iPhone 12 minis were sold. 50,000 is a very small drop in the bucket

for the manufacturers out there making phones and scale. I think 50,000 is a very small drop in the bucket for the manufacturers out there making phones in scale. I think 50,000 signatures is small, but he is also someone who's manufactured a product before, and I am not. So I will give him the benefit of the doubt here. There's not 50,000 commitments to buy or $50,000 deposits. So, all right, let's see. So, yeah, let's just go over. I'll go through the specs that he has. He has must-have, follow the iPhone mini industrial design as close as possible, consistent with

bezels around the entire display. 5.4 ish 1080p OLED display. 60 Hertz is fine. Camera must be as good as the Pixel 5 and good low light performance. Stock Android, Snapdragon 8 or other flagship processor equivalent. 5G, hole punch front camera two rear cameras regular wide angle i'm assuming he means ultra wide angle because regular usually is like wide angle so i'm assuming he means ultra wide eight gigs of ram 128 250 storage four hours of screen on time

unlockable bootloader nfc and then nice to have rugged enough to not need a case that's an interesting one we don't see that very often oh that's a tough one like like what i don't even know is the iphone is the iphone currently rugged enough to not need a case because you don't i don't need a case but you really should have one like if it's if you want to match the industrial okay i'll get back to that's a weird uh yeah we'll come back yeah it's a ip68 water resistance would be a nice to have but not needed fingerprint sensor on power button hardware mute switch wireless charging e-sim um those are the nice to haves okay i'll shed a little bit of light i've i've had a couple unique opportunities to maybe work with a smartphone

manufacturer in the past and And every single time, uh, it's really for me all about like how much input will I really have? I haven't really told anybody about this, but like usually when they approach me, they're like, we have a phone that's nearly done and we want your like approval on it. And then it's the MKBHD phone. And to me, that's not really input. I don't really get to choose anything. And I've had maybe some where it gets to the point where I can actually make a couple choices about specifics and placement and things like that, but not really too malleable. And then it's the MKBHD phone. But every single time we go through this process, what becomes very clear is making a smartphone is just a series of

compromises. You pull one lever down, the other one goes up. You pull another lever up and another one goes down. And so I look at this list and that's where my mind goes. And there are some levers here that might not all be able to be up at the same time is what I'm seeing. Yeah. So, okay, let's just go through some of these industrial design to follow the iphone mini as close as possible so i'm picturing an iphone mini i like the idea i think he just wants the size with consistent bezel the size of consistent bezels but then you also say rugged enough to not need a case so you must not be talking about glass on the back like the iphone which is the industrial i don't i don't know what that could... Yeah, I guess you go metal,

and he does say he doesn't need wireless charging, might want wireless charging. Do you go metal? The only things I can think of of these like don't need a case, I mean, like remember the S8 Active, or like I think there's some Doogee phones out there right now that are these like rugged, hardcore,

like construction worker phone or whatever. Rugged is definitely nice to have. They don't do very well. Yeah, it's tough to say like rugged enough to not need a case and be able to define that clearly. But here's another one. Okay, you have a 5.4 inch 1080p OLED. 60 hertz is okay.

I get that. Then you say you want a Snapdragon 8 series or other flagship processor chip. Why? Because you also asked for four hours of screen on time. If you want good battery life on a small phone, you probably don't use the highest-end chip. Like, what have we seen?

iPhone SE, high-end chip, small battery, not great battery life. And that's an iPhone with great optimization. Then we see another small phone, like, I don't know, what other small phones are? Like the Zen phone. Well, so I look at this whole thing and I think of Zen phone eight,

but it was 5.9 inches. Yeah, not as compact, but that's like kind of close. But do you see a Snapdragon eight gen one in that? Like that's not going to have a four hour screen on time. I'll tell you that right now. So when I see all three of those things on this list, five and a half inch screen. Yeah.

Zen phone eight's snapdragon 888 and did that have a four hour screen on time i uh i don't remember screen on time on that 4 000 milliamp hours so a phone that because that's not that's not really as compact as the phone we're picturing no so i'm assuming the max you get is like 3500. The iPhone 12 mini is like, what is that, a 1700 milliampere battery or something in there? Like you don't have a lot of space. It's a tough.

So that's, you know, I'm just picturing like the levers in my head. I'm like, all right, you want to pull the lever of a flagship chip? Well, that means no good battery to me on a small phone. So that's a tough one. Storage is cool. so two rear cameras regular and wide angle that's solid i think a lot of people using the mini phones too are relative

minimalists and would actually be cool with one camera but it's probably not that much extra work to do two cameras um hole punch hole punch front camera yeah seems about right. And then 5G world phone. Again, 5G is going to hit battery, space in the phone, heat, and price. I'm surprised to see 5G on the must-have. I still don't think it's that important of a thing. I'm sure there's, I don't know. Do people agree with that? Do you agree with that? I turn 5G off.

I am with you. I don't turn it off because there is the once in a while where I'm like oh neat 5g everything's so fast but I do have I I don't think you should buy a phone for 5g yet and I said that a whole year ago and that's still true like I drive I've driven like past areas where I can see a cell tower and I'm like oh maybe I'll have 5G from driving by and I look down at my phone and I have 5GE which is like basically LTE so I'm not I'm not convinced that 5G has to be on the must have for my own mini phone so I guess I'm with you I'm kind of surprised to see it here but yeah that that's gonna hit your battery that's gonna hit your your price and how much space you have in the phone for a large battery. So, yeah.

You know, here's what I would tweak. If I could make my own mini phone. Do it. Maybe he'll let you make the MKBHD version. I mean, he's not going to like my tweaks. I am saying super fast charging should be a must-have because this phone will have bad battery life. Okay. I'm just going to tell you right now. And give me a 90 hertz display.

So, going from 60 to 90, i already know i'm hitting my battery if you leave the flagship chip in there and not a lot of space in there i want super fast charging because the battery is not going to be good i'm just going to accept that right now mini phone but like a lot of people using a mini phone aren't doing four hours of screen on time in a day they're trying to use their phone less probably trying to have like a you know a compact out of the way experience so you know it's just just bit bon ideas yeah yeah i'd be interested i mean this is the thing where we in the tech space saw a lot of people really into the iphone mini and into small phones and it didn't uh convert over to sales obviously enough because apple discontinued it already after two iterations.

Well, not officially yet, but probably. Probably happening. Sorry. Most likely. It's most likely happening. We're speaking in future terms, but it's probably going to happen. Yeah, I don't think. It's coming back, according to all the rumors we've seen.

And we don't see really small. The Zen phone, to me, and the Pixel 5 were the smallest phones we've seen. And we don't see like really small, the Zen phone, like to me and the pixel five were like the smallest phones we've seen in a while. And their pixel five did. Okay. I still think the Zen phone is like one of the most underrated phones we've seen in a while. I think Eric should get his Zen phone eight or his Zen phone nine,

but maybe, maybe they'll start getting bigger and bigger. So maybe that's not exactly what he's looking for. Yeah, we'll see. Unfortunately. If you want to marry that iPhone, you probably just have to get the iPhone now while you can. I like the idea of small phones, but I don't think I'd ever buy one.

This is the smaller version and still huge, and I just like, I don't know. Yeah, I know a couple people with the mini phone, but yeah, I think a lot of people are in the same camp. If you put a poll out and said, do you want a smaller phone? They go, yeah. And then when the next phone comes out, they don't buy the mini.

It's like, yeah, okay. I mean, I know some people with iPhone mini and they love it and they'll probably hold onto it till it completely dies. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know if he's going to be able to convince. More power to him. I hope he does. I'm rooting for him he's going to be able to convince. More power to him. I hope he does.

I'm rooting for him. I hope it gets the 50,000 signatures just so we can see what happens. Yeah. That's where I'm at. Agreed. We'll also link that website in the show notes if you want to go sign up for it and put your signature out there. Maybe you are interested.

Also, if you're on the YouTube, leave a comment because I would really like to see who would genuinely be interested in this and what price you'd be willing to pay for it. Like name a price right now. If all of this happens. $5.50. That's a good deal. Yeah.

If all of this happens, that's a great deal. That would be nice. All right. We got to talk about some other Apple rumors, but first we're going to take a quick break and we also need to do our first trivia question. Hit us, Adam. Trivia.

What was the first iPhone to have the retina display? I know this already. All right. Easy. Next. Yeah, super easy. Let's go to a break. Take a break.

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i'm gonna go over all of them with you you can tell me what you think about it maybe how likely you think it is to happen okay um and yeah we'll go from there one at a time all right okay first one probably something we've talked about on this show before um usbc iphone oh boy but this i hope i haven't said this previous yeah you probably saw this on twitter i think you tweeted about it but like i hope i haven't said this in the past where it's like, but this one really looks like it might be it. But Mark Gurman and Ming-Chi

Kuo are both confirming that they're seeing some sort of trends in manufacturing that we might be getting an iPhone 15, I think it is, so next year's. Right, 2023 with USB-C. And I'm wondering if part of this has to do with the also, isn't there something in Europe going around where the Apple's being forced to use USB-C instead of lightning?

More or less, yeah. They're being forced to standardize. So, yeah. So, when I tweeted about this, I was like, I'll believe it when I see it. Like, I've always wanted a USB-C iPhone. But I've also accepted in my head that this is Apple we're talking about. And Apple would much rather just not have a port at all on the iPhone than give you a USB-C option on some of the iPhones. Right. Like if this is a European iPhone with USB-C and all the rest of lightning, Apple is going to do everything they can to not do that.

I don't think that's going to happen gonna i don't think there are two models so so the fact that it basically looks like apple is at least testing a usbc iphone to me says they're preparing for if they will be forced to make all of their iphones usbc but i think they would much rather i mean keep going with lightning until they don't need a port anymore. So that's what I think the plan still is for them. So if I'm rating this on like a letter grade scale of like. Let's do one to ten. Letter grade sounds way more confusing. Okay.

On a scale of one to ten, how likely are we to get a USB-C iPhone? After these leaks, I'm saying three. We should probably confirm here because I'm already confused. One is not likely. One being won't happen, 10 being guaranteed happening. Three. Three.

That's low. Yep. That was probably the most sure one I may have had on here. So this might be, maybe not. But so one thing I, now this is where I really like felt

like this might actually happen is I believe it was Mark Kerman said something along the lines that not only are they testing this, but they were also working on different adapters for dongles i'm like you guys are perfect for each other if you're already thinking that money money money yeah it seems like i mean it seems like it's a guarantee now i'm going 25 iphone 15 usbc yeah i'll go 7 out of 10 wow i it makes perfect sense like usbc all the time that's why it's like okay everything you call a pro has usbc already ipad pro what did you do faster data speeds like thunderbolt port even ipad air now has usbc all the macbook pros every other like laptop you do usbc all the things they're all about it but when it comes to the iphone and the ecosystem right around the iphone so like charging AirPods Max, charging AirPods at all, all those things are lightning too. So for them to just go USB-C for the iPhone and not all of the other things around the iPhone

means dongles. It doesn't necessarily mean, I mean, we haven't seen a rumor for AirPods, but I could see AirPods going USB-C also. Okay, so it would be AirPods. It would be, what else is lightning? I feel like it's weird to have a- The keyboard, Apple's keyboard right now.ods it would be what else is lightning i feel like it's weird to have a keyboard apple's keyboard right now i would the magic mouse is lightning like the magic mouse

should be thrown in the dump i agree but they're all lightning right now so like if you're gonna go finally like we agree across the whole company that usbc is good like all right what about all the other weird peripheral things that are lightning? That's why the adapter thing is probably gaining steam because like, yeah, now everything's going to come with the USB-C cable and you need to charge things via lightning still. That's annoying. This just confuses me the more I think about it. I don't know why they're on this lightning train. I think it's just them testing it.

They're just like, yeah, if we actually get forced to do this, then I guess we'll have it ready so we can't get like find into i mean they have the money but whatever they're testing it that's all i got out of this i'm out of three now now i think about it i'm out of two i'm out of two next okay all right i'll go for maybe the next most likely one i'll skip down here a little bit um so m2 stuff we might be seeing soon. Yeah. This seems pretty likely. Mark Gurman said, WWDC, we will most likely be seeing iOS 16, watch OS 9, Mac OS 13,

and that OS 13 will be debuting on a M2 MacBook Air, M2 14-inch MacBook Pro, and M2 Mac Mini, which just follows suit perfectly with everything we saw last year, correct? You said 14-inch MacBook Pro and M2 Mac Mini, which just follows suit perfectly with everything we saw last year, correct? You said 14-inch MacBook Pro? Yeah. Interesting. Huh.

Yeah, so we have a... I reviewed and I really liked the 13-inch M1 MacBook Pro. So maybe they just refresh that and give it a slightly bigger screen in the same footprint. That would make sense because that's kind of like what the newer MacBook Pros did. Yeah, you know, first of all, I trust i trust mark german with my life so that sounds pretty accurate yeah almost everything i have here is mark german stuff okay yeah and then the other half is we've

seen all these rumors about like redesigns around some of these m2 things so the macbook air having a redesign would be pretty sweet and i think it's pretty likely and then like you said okay 14 inch macbook pro m2 now okay you're giving it a bigger screen in the same footprint that to me also says a little bit of a redesign so that's sweet i mean wwdc is is shaping up to be a very interesting event june 6 right june 6 exactly so uh yeah i'm giving i mean as far as what we've talked about i'm giving this like a nine like we know the os updates are coming that's a 10 and then the new hardware aside from like

a random late setback seems like the best way to introduce the new stuff so yeah give it a nine okay so i have two questions on here then following that okay number one is we're seeing m2 mac mini we just had m1 Mac Studio. Do we think M2 Mac Mini is just going to be like a regular M2 chip, not like M2 Max, M2 Pro? Yeah. Okay, how will that compare to like an M1 Pro Studio? Right. I think M1 to M2 will be a slight bump,

but it won't be competitive with like the pro and the on the ultra it'll be a slight bump from the baseline so m1 is the baseline we have a new baseline m2 it's 30 faster something like that yeah then when we get new mac studio further down the line that'll have m2 ultra m2 pro and those things will also be 30 bumps from m1 ultra and m1 pro okay yeah and then how does this fit into our previous predictions of when mac pro is coming out and what it will have so i think a lot of us were talking about mac pro what did we say we thought it was going to be like an m1x or something like that we were yeah we didn't so we don't still. We thought it could maybe be an M1 Ultra Quad something. I forget what we tried to name it.

We don't know. It would be, again, a 4X M1 Ultra. But now that we start the M2 lifecycle, maybe Mac Pro is teased or introduced introduced but that will eventually have to be built on m2 architecture so it's m2 ultra or whatever the hell they're gonna call it yeah something like that i'm gonna ask uh our editors to look back maybe and see that prediction i want to say i said this i said m2 is coming out before mac pro the way this roadmap plays out is we're going to start to see the refresh of the new versions of those m1 chips around the same time we see the

the new mac pro so i think we're going to get an m2 in all of the baseline stuff that we currently have an M1 in. Okay. So we have an M1 iPad, M2 iPad, M1 MacBook Air, M2 MacBook Air. I think we're going to get an M2 Pro and an M2 Max in these MacBook Pros. Yep. And then we're going to get an M2 Ultra in the Mac Studio. And I think they need an M2 Extreme or something else for the Mac Pro. Mega. Yeah, they're going to have to come up with another word, another name.

I'm not banking on a good one. And that will be, so we're just skipping M1 altogether for Mac Pro. And it will be on the same architecture as M2. So they'll probably have more density. I don't know if it's four nanometer, but, you know, more transistors, all this stuff for M2. We do all that for all the M2 series. And then that same architecture gets like a quad chip for the M2 extreme. Yeah, like four times pretty much.

Exactly. That's my theory based on what I've seen and how it's timed out. It is going to be confusing because now they're going to sell M1 Ultra and they're going to have to tell people M1 Ultra is better than M2. And they're going to be like, no, no, no, I want the M2, the new one. But no, but this is actually, the Ultra is faster. I mean, first of all,

M2 is going to be fine for almost everyone who is in this conundrum in the first place. Like just the M1 Mac Mini, very underrated, really good computer for a lot of people. If you have the right ports, you're good. But it is kind of confusing to tell people that M2 is out and it's it's actually not as good as the m1 pro i

mean and they kind of had to do that though or i guess it was the opposite of when they first started releasing m1 is they had like the m1 air which like in some cases was more powerful than the intel macbook pro previously like depending on what you were doing or it was like the better thing. And you're like, no, I want the MacBook Pro, not the MacBook Air. And it's like, well, you're probably getting a better laptop out of the MacBook Air now. The way they do this whole life cycle

is still a little confusing to me. I guess the pros that are gonna look for the Mac Pro are already on top of this. Y'all already listened to Waveform. Y'all get it already. But it is gonna be fascinating to hear the messaging and y'all get it already but it is going to be fascinating to hear the messaging and see it on stage they're probably gonna have to have a slide here's my prediction they're gonna have a slide where they show the m1 m1 pro and m1 ultra then

they're just gonna slot the m2s out and put the new m1s out put the m2s where the m1s were implying that they're gonna also slot out m1 ultra and m1 pro with m2 ultra and m2 pro that's confusing and a totally unlabeled graph that just shows something longer than the other thing therefore must be much faster big performance curve you know you want it perfect app we just did that we just did wwdc why even watch it in a couple weeks it's a nine okay nine out of ten um i have a foldable iphone i guess i don't know if i out of 10. I have a foldable iPhone. I guess I don't know if I should call it iPhone, but Apple foldable.

And quote it, I have unlike any other foldable. And now this is coming from Ming-Chi Kuo again. Apple's testing e-ink electronic paper display for future foldable devices, cover screens and tablet-like applications. The color EPD has a potential to become a mainstream solution for foldable devices must have cover second screen thanks to its power saving.

So there's some sort of, it's, earlier in April, Quo said that Apple might be bringing a nine-inch foldable device in 2025 and that they're also potentially working on a 20-inch foldable device. Whoa. Which feels like that old thing we've talked about of like an actual tablet maybe in your pocket,

or maybe it might be something like the, was it the Lenovo like tablet that folds? Not pocket size, not phone size, but just a smaller tablet. But I think it's really interesting this, because we've seen all these phones with the exterior displays and you're doing so much less on those if you have.

So maybe like with Samsung Fold 3, maybe you don't need the crazy OLED 90 Hertz. Outside screen. Outside screen. That could be killing battery. Like an E-Ink can let you answer text messages and pick up phone calls. Can it?

It's apparently the new colored E-Ink display is not quite, you know, like OLED resolution and refresh rate and stuff like that. But it's much better than like the Kindle e-ink like super low refresh rate like just text kind of thing all right i'll disclaimer a couple things then one i have not tried the new color e-ink displays yeah but my impression of an e-ink display is not very good okay for his phone screen so but also the thing about these articles is they're testing. The question isn't, is the next iPhone foldable?

The question is, will we ever sometime get a folding iPhone? This is testing and still says 2025. So this is a very, very vague rumor. So that's the thing about Apple. They're always testing things and trying things. So if the question is is are they definitely testing this yeah i bet they're testing it i bet they've got all kinds of crazy prototypes every time we see a new gadget from a company they're happy to show us like the year and a half of iterations of other

weird stuff they tried that got them to this point um so i think them trying like an ink display folding on the outside where you open it up and it's a regular OLED is like a thing they're trying just to see. Um, my philosophy with folding phones though, personally is for them to be a no brainer to buy, they should be just as usable folded as unfolded. So they should be just as good as a normal phone until you want it to unfold. And then it's suddenly something else. And there there's no like a lot of them right now they're thicker they have weird aspect ratios they're a little bit unwieldy that's a trade-off i think when they're when they're really mature and good they'll feel just like a normal phone when you use them without unfolding it and so trying the e-ink thing to me is like

maybe it's cool maybe it works but it's probably kind of a stop gap and probably not ever going to ship so you're not sold on e-ink no i'm not i think for a flip version phone it could be really cool because older flip phones like you used to be able to just check the time and everything on the front super easy and notifications so i think an e-ink like if you took the flip 3 put an e-ink display on the front that was always on display, that wouldn't hurt your battery at all because of how like low power. Yeah, it is. I think that would be really cool to just have time notifications, like quick message scrolling on there or something like that.

I agree. Because it's much smaller. The question is, would a folding iPhone be a flip? Oh, I've no, I'm not going to even attempt to. Or a fold. You know, I kind of think a folding iphone that was a flip would we make way more sense in the apple sphere it would and then maybe a folding tablet maybe an ipad that's folding and an iphone that's flipping so i always have to qualify is it folded

it's an ipad or unfolded it's an unfolded it's an ipad and it's just uh and when you fold it up it's smaller so when you put it in so you could put your ipad in your purse or something like that okay i see yeah no i i like i kind of want to see all of them that's the thing about apple is i'm always like yeah well they should make that and they don't so we'll see no i think this if i'm just like rating like will we ever see a foldable iPhone? Yeah, I think that's like an eight at this point. We're probably going to see a folding iPhone. By 2025? By 2025.

So it's 2022 now. Maybe four or five. Okay, that's a good one. Will we see a folding iPhone by 2025? I'm putting that at a seven. That's a good late entry for Apple. It could be one year later in my mind, but that's about right. Okay.

Yeah, 7. Yeah. All right. So I have one more rumor here, and this is like, I think this is even speculation for leakers and rumors and stuff like that. This is another article Mark Kerman did. I can't get much lower than 2, so we'll see. Yeah, okay. So we've heard all this stuff about Apple Car.

Obviously, Dali's not designing it because it didn't do a great job at that. But Apple Car is something we hear all the time. We also recently just saw, do you know Canoo, the EV company? They kind of made these interesting vans almost, and then they had convertible ones that you could turn into like a food truck or like a, I don't know, a mobile workstation. Yeah.

Um, so there's been a lot of, and I will preface this also a lot of reports that canoe is not doing so great financially. Financially. Yes. And canoe relentlessly disagrees with that and commented on pretty much every article on Twitter that said that.

Might be a little biased. Might be a little. But if we're going to take the articles that financially it's in trouble to heart, that's why Mark Gurman thinks this might be something that Apple could take over and potentially have a little head start on their Apple car. Taking Canoe and what they've made and bringing that under Apple, and that's how they create an apple car but what have they made what is canoe made yeah like like actually made

i want to say they have prototypes out there like everyone does well except apple well apple so i guess when i think like canoe and a lot of companies in their distressed financial position it's like it costs as we know a ton of money to not just design the car but like spin up a factory and start mass producing things i think you're a bunch of steps ahead of what apple's potentially doing with the car right so like if apple is to make more headway on their car project whatever it is titan what i don't know what the name is, but let's say they want to make more headway. Does acquiring a company like Canoe theoretically help them at all? I mean, that's just like talent and design experience.

Maybe there's people who work for Canoe that work for other EV companies maybe. Or there's some people from Canoo who work for Apple right now. And apparently their former CEO is now on the Apple car project. Okay, so it's not like Apple is going to suddenly have the capacity to start manufacturing cars. They're interested in Canoo because these are people who are actively in the car design world and who will help them make the apple car more realistic well and that they have a design and they have all that experience of creating still a prototype and everything is further along i mean maybe that's maybe that's the design that Apple winds up going with. The canoe?

Maybe. Oh, God. I could see it. I couldn't. It almost looks like a fat magic mouse. Like the VW bus. Take a magic mouse and just pull it up. If this car charges upside down.

It's literally the canoe car if you just take a magic mouse. Hopefully, it doesn't charge from the bottom. Yeah, that would be rough. Yeah, you know, it is unique. Like, that's one thing about car design is when a new car company comes out, they get to make their own DNA brand new. Like, what does a Ford look like? Oh, I know, an F-150. What does a Mazda look like?

Okay, I'm picturing a Mazda. Hyundai has got some new stuff coming out. When you picture a Rivian well that got they got to just start fresh like we only have r1t and r1s and now it's kind of like the headlights are their design the shape what is an apple car i don't know anything whatever you want you get to start fresh so it could be a canoe it could just look like that i think it looks really cool i actually don't i'm not surprised like i obviously like the the you know cars and the two doors and it's like a new age vw bus right and that nostalgia doesn't hit me the same way as

people who probably like really liked the vw bus when it came out i think i just like the space of it sure yeah yeah but like that's way bigger than like a normal like you could buy a suburban or it's probably like a bit shorter than like a big Suburban. It's probably not too far off from like my Forester, but you're like driving a little more forward. You remember Caleb's van that he drove us around in Seattle? You know, like more space in the back, but still not like an ungodly giant.

Is that an Apple car? That's so interesting. I don't know what, because there's also, there's the angle, there's like the Rivian is the adventure vehicle. And you're like, oh, that's so Patagonia. That's so Seattle. You get it. The canoe could be the new garage that tech startups start in.

Mobile workstation. All right. That's happening. It's happening. California is going to love these things. That's all anyone can afford with the housing market. Yeah, for real. Property taxes. No, no, no, no, no, no. Just get a canoe. Just get the housing market. Yeah, for real. Property taxes?

No, no, no, no, no, no. Just get a canoe. Just get a canoe car. So you're giving that a one out of 10? Well, what's the question? Is it, will the next Apple car look like a canoe? I just wanted to talk about it. I thought it was cool.

I think this thing, canoe as a company. Do you think they acquire a canoe, I guess, is what the? No, but you know what I think happens? I think a lot of people who see that canoes going under will end up working for Apple. They don't have to acquire a canoe. Indirectly acquires a canoe? Basically.

Yeah. There's a lot of people right now who work for Twitter that are like, okay, I don't like what's going on here. They're going to go take their talent to someone who needs social media experience. Like Facebook. Yeah, or whoever, you know. The next most ethical social media site. Like Facebook. Yeah, or whoever, you know. So I think Apple.

The next most ethical social media site. I haven't read this article, but I'm going to guess that Apple's top secret car team is going to look over into Canoo's headquarters and be like, any of you guys want a job? And then they go, yeah, I can see what's happening here, so I think I'm going to head over there. That's what I think is happening.

Speaking of the article, though, we're just going to shout out Mark Gurman here because almost all of these rumors were from him um he you should follow him on twitter if you want to like really dive deep into all this yeah bloomberg yeah fantastic stuff if you want to read like the nitty-gritty and he probably has a way more experience and knowledge in terms of what he could be predicting than we do on here um probably time to get him on the show again sometime soon a plus sources man good stuff all right we're gonna take a quick ad break and come back but of course that means a little more trivia trivia question two you may know that mac is andrew's dog what you might not know is that Mac isn't his full name. Do you know what is?

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Yeah. So I want to zoom out for a quick like word on drones. Sure. So I want to zoom out for a quick word on drones, which we were just talking about this, which is like this drone seems sick, right? It's got all these cool new features. It's got the battery life. It's got all this stuff we love about good drones. Of course, it's DJI. But then every time you get a drone, you either, well, here's the thing.

You can either get it for a film tool or you get it for a toy, like a fun thing. And then you use it once and you're like, oh, I didn't need a drone. I just spent $500 on a thing I'm going to use once. It's like the GoPro syndrome, right? Yeah. GoPro is a little tougher because like, at least with the drone, you're controlling the thing that does the fun movement. GoPro, you have to like strap it on your helmet, snowboarding and realize you go like two miles an hour down the hill and it's not that interesting commercials look amazing people surfing it's under the wave the wave crashes right over the top you're like i'm gonna take this gopro on vacation let me spend 450 bucks get some sd cards and whatever and then you go out and then

you use it once and then you look at the footage and you're like yeah i could have filmed this with my phone and it just has terrible audio quality yeah Yes, it's all right. It's all right. So, yeah, we have drones here that we use as a film tool. But every time I personally I'm like, I kind of want to get like a drone for myself. And then I remember that I would only use it once and then eventually probably just put it on a shelf. But we've got the new Mini 3. It seems like the best one yet. Where should we start the camera yeah and i think the camera might be a reason to ask this as to why this

might be used a little more for some people at least for not totally extreme people um i mean it is a smaller drone so it's a little easier to carry around it's like kind of on that edge of you've said like film to film tool versus toy like they've had mavic minis before like there's all this whole small thing all kind of started with the um oh what was that called the dji what was the one casey brought over yeah oh the mavic mini what or a spark the spark the dji spark that was like toy toy that was like control with your phone the video is terrible um but it was like super super small then they started doing the mavic mini which could fold up. That was like toy toy. That was like control of your phone. The video is terrible, but it was like super, super small. Then they started doing the Mavic Mini, which could fold up

and it was like a smaller version of the Mavic, which was so popular. And now this one is like the Mavic Mini 3 Pro, I believe. And you're getting much better video quality out of it. 4K, 60 FPS, HDR video. But the thing I think is really interesting with this is the camera will flip to portrait and you can take a lot of video for content for social media like that is like TikTok reels. Unbelievably TikTok.

That is so 2022. Yeah. And TikTok sells and TikTok and Instagram reels are huge. We're going to see TikToks in vertical shot from drones now. There's a guy on TikTok who is insanely popular. The dancing on top of a mountain guy. he's not even on a mountain he's on like a water uh like does this guy get a royalty for this feature this is like made for this they better accept it to him he better have one of these drones uh okay what i found really interesting you mentioned it was small is it's

249 grams yes do you know why it's 249 grams so i think hiato was telling this about it i haven't found the confirmation of it but we'll say it with the um asterisk that i don't think i you have to source for okay yeah so in new york city if you want to fly a drone it needs to be registered and you need to pay for it unless it's under 250 grams in which case you don't have to register you don't have to pay for it and they just say fly safely so casey nice tests drone shots are now unlocked to people with this exact drone because it is technically 249 grams now the thing is like i think i was talking to someone else about this if you're in new york city and you're flying a drone and a cop comes up to you and he's like what are you doing and you're and you're flying a drone and a cop comes up to you and he's like, what are you doing?

And you're like, I'm flying a drone. He'll be like, no, you can't do that. It's illegal. You don't look at him and go, oh, this one's only 249 grams. It's a toy. It's a toy. It's not going to work. I don't think they know that level of detail on the code or whatever.

But technically speaking, drone laws in New York will let you fly this one. I'm predicting a change in law very shortly yeah i was gonna say why did they pick 204 nine grams like the tech obviously is going to get better and better and we're gonna get real drones under 250 grams so yeah i would agree with that i don't know what that is if if it's flying high enough in the city that's where it gets really dangerous because there's a lot of uh airspace being used above the city there's constantly helicopters and stuff over it and just like through all those buildings it gets dangerous pretty quick um so maybe still don't fly fly it in the city um i still do think

it's cool because of how small it is and there's um there's a new intelligent flight battery plus 47 minutes of flight time that is like double what most of the like mavics we've seen and it just feels like every drone no matter the size 25 minutes is your flight time 25 to 30 but we all know that's like more like 20 because at five minutes it starts screaming at you to come home it's like smartphones every year since 2007 smartphone batteries have gotten physically bigger but they all last a day yeah it's not like we have three week long smartphone batteries have gotten physically bigger but they all last a day yeah it's not like we have three week long smartphone batteries now it's just relative to size they seem to hit a certain point and every dji drone is like 25 minutes so this is like double that which is amazing to me um i mean

obviously still at five minutes it's going to yell at you to come back but then you're still getting 40 minutes of flight time that's sick which is double it's amazing um they also have a new controller which i really really like which is a it's amazing um they also have a new controller which i really really like which is a little thicker but has its own screen on it so that you don't have to connect your phone to it obviously you always have your phone with you um but pulling your phone out taking the case off putting it in that controller connecting it having the dji app and everything is a total pain in the neck um i hated doing it i actually broke my phone once taking it out because i didn't have the case on because i had to put it in the controller

nice um so like i think that's a huge pain in the neck having a dedicated controller is awesome and hopefully has like a decent enough screen and maybe some like anti-glare on it because you're usually flying outside outside i hope hopefully outside. But yeah, I think it's really awesome. I have a couple prices here just to list them off. $669, no controller. $759, standard controller that has no screen. $909 with the new controller that does have the screen. And then it's $95 for the new battery. So if you're thinking top of the line with new battery, around $1,000.

Yeah. I only have one real thought on this which is this is going to be really cool as a film tool but i've always split up drones in my mind as film tool or fun tool and so this one's got a pretty good camera peter mckinnon's done a video on it and has already showed some pretty sweet shots and i now believe in it as a pretty solid video camera but for fun for the dollar dji's fpv drone combo with the goggles is 9.99 i would get that for fun if you're going straight fun yeah i full full agree that's the fun if you are a travel person who's traveling to places where this can be flown you cannot fly drones in national parks which is a shame but i 100 support that decision they should not be um but if you're traveling a lot

and you like the outdoors and you like doing stuff like that drones are also still in that category of to me kind of like vr where not a lot of the general public has really gotten to try one or see it personally whenever i bring a drone somewhere and like my in-laws are there some family members are there they're astounded by it like they love looking at it just like when you introduce someone to vr for the first time they just it's a whole nother world so yeah it does have that wow factor there's still a fun fun thing about it and a thousand dollars steep but yeah i think this is cool i think yeah for travel it's sick but if you want the fun just just know that the same amount of money will get you goggles and an fpv drone there's no other

feeling like crashing an fpv drone first person yeah it's incredible it's a scary experience for sure um all right i have one more thing i want to talk about and this is something i had a few weeks ago but we just never got the chance but netflix is making a bunch of changes and i hate all of them and i just want to say you're the worst Netflix, but I guess I can go a little deeper into that. I've, I can't remember the last time I logged into Netflix. I don't know.

Like you just don't watch anything on Netflix. I have an account. I don't watch anything. Okay. Yeah. But it, yeah, I see the uproar. I see.

I'm going to be paying more for this thing. I don't use. Okay. So how much is it now? Okay. Um, basic plan, eight 99 to nine 99 standard plan, 1399 to 1545 premium plan 1799 to 1999 so like a like an inflation

worthy bump a couple dollars but there's also like a few things that are changing about it which i really don't like um and maybe this is what's going on right now but my my biggest gripe here is you can only get 4k on the premium plan which lets you have up to four screens playing at the same time the other plans you can't get 4k on it including the basic plan which only lets you use one screen at a time so if you're somebody who wants 4k content but maybe only has one tv you have to pay what everybody else is doing for four different televisions which seems ridiculous double the price yep i don't know why there's not like an 11 version that's one screen 4k so they can make more money yeah if they let you like add on things at feature by

feature everyone will be paying less money for netflix if the content's in 4k just let us play in 4k it makes no we're it's 2022 we're way past this like come on just offer 4k for all of your remember when the pandemic was starting and bandwidth was at like a premium and they actually had to not give everyone high high quality was that was that when youtube did the like and youtube defaulted everything to 482 one of our best waveform clips that to me says like there is a point where like yeah bandwidth is expensive and they have to make their money to to stream in 4k they're making their money and just get out of here i'm just being devil's advocate here okay well stop and then another thing that we find so they're also testing two different things.

One is a lower price tier that's ad supported. I despise that. Hulu has it right now and it's the worst. I have to watch like five or six minutes of ads on a like 20 minute TV show. Oh, like normal TV? Like normal TV. It's awful. I hate it.

And then they're also, which is very funny here, they're cracking down on sharing passwords, which is like throughout Netflix's entire life, people share passwords. And you're always just like, oh, yeah, do you have Netflix? Well, yeah, I'm using my mother's aunt's account. And then everybody just has somebody else's account. To the point where they've even memed it on Twitter in 2017. It was a classic. Yeah, they have a tweet that just says love is sharing a password oh that's so nice corporate netflix in 2017 yeah corporate netflix it doesn't agree with a current corporate netflix

apparently because they're testing in a few south american countries i believe adding an extra like two to three dollars per account per like per sharing account on a and they'll somehow like figure out if you're in you know multiple households like how are they gonna i don't know i get yeah maybe something like that they'll just require you to sign in again out of the blue randomly they'll just sign you out it's very confusing though because like you could have netflix on your phone and go to a friend's house and uh screencast it is that considered sharing an account because you're on like a different ip address well then how are they going to tell if somebody else is doing it and then also yeah just ask you to verify yourself again or something i don't know how exactly they're going to do this

it's also weird because if you have the basic plan so you're only getting one screen per account at the cheapest one if you're adding an account for two or three extra dollars does that mean you can now play two screens at the same time or Or you're just on one account, can still only use one screen, but that one screen can be used over two different places? It's confusing. It's the worst. Netflix, stop. I'm actually going to push back a little. I think the free.

Cut it, Adam, cut it. The free ad-supported tier is welcome. It's not free. It's not free? No, no, no. The Hulu one's not free. It's not free? No, no, no. The Hulu one's not free. Never mind. Oh, wait, the Netflix one, though.

You're saying it's going to be cheaper and ad-supported or free and ad-supported? Cheaper and ad-supported. How much cheaper? I don't know. They didn't say. I wouldn't doubt if it's literally just the basic plan. Okay. And it's the same price.

I support free content that's ad-supported. If it wasn't. I support free content that's ad-supported. I do not support paid content that's ad supported, which is what cable is. All right, I take it back. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. Audio listeners, I did not threaten him to take that back.

But yeah, Netflix was the alternative to cable that everybody loved because of the no ads. You just paid for it. People loved to be able to just pay for it. Five minutes of ads on a TV show? That's what's Hulu right now. I'm watching Attack on Titan because I'm late to the game. you just paid for it people love to be able to just pay for it five minutes of ads on a tv show right now i'm watching attack on titan because i'm late to the game and i love it i've heard good things and the first season was on netflix with no ads so i just crushed through the whole

thing and now i'm watching way less of it because hulu we're not paying for the like explain it is it unskippable ads like you say you're watching it it pops up it says now we will play i will go through an attack on titan episode for you okay okay short recap inch or no sorry ad short recap intro ad like 10 minutes unskippable 10 minutes of ads no no no sorry 10 minutes of show oh okay two minutes of ads uh-huh 10 minutes of show two minutes, okay. Two minutes of ads. Uh-huh. 10 minutes of show. Two minutes of ad and then the preview for next episode. So I have to watch another two minutes of ad just to watch the little preview for the next one. Oh, man. It's probably around six minutes of ad on a 21-minute show.

Brutal. That's rough. That's rough. Can I throw something in here? Yeah. The other day I was watching a movie on Hulu and I paid for the ad-supported one. And even in movies, after the first 15 minutes, it threw me into an ad. It interrupts the movie.

It interrupts the movie. And it was a very suspenseful scene. I was sitting at the edge of my seat and then an ad shows up. I was watching YouTube logged out a little while ago and a mid-roll popped up in the middle of a video and it made me so mad. And I can't, like I highly recommend paying for YouTube Premium just to avoid that experience. But I cannot imagine being in the middle of a video and it made me so mad and i can't like i highly recommend paying for youtube premium just to avoid that experience but i cannot imagine being in the middle of a movie i mean we're even still really strict on just i don't know it would be like the what kind of ad that pops up in the middle of watching something is also like really funny a character turns the camera is like which is why i use this toilet

paper and you're like what's happening right now it's a baked in ad no that's funny oh no um so yeah i hate it uh netflix has been the hero long enough to become the villain i think and you're not far off from being comcast level wow i said it don't i don't want to say it prove me wrong, Netflix. I'm sure this one podcast will definitely make all the difference. We'll see. We'll see what they do.

Yeah. All right. Well, that's been it for this week. We had a lot to go over, but we do have a lot coming up next week. So we had the AI video on the channel and that's obviously worth checking out next week. A lot more good stuff.

So stay tuned for that. We should go over our trivia answers now. I think I have two points locked, but I want to see. All right. Let's get back to them. The first question, what was the first iPhone to have the Retina display? Right. You should let me answer first.

Yeah, I'm very curious what your context is. So you have no idea? Oh, I should say, sorry. The current score is Marques has five, Andrew has three. Okay. Closer than I thought. All right, I want, well, let's just say a D, or iPhone.

Which iPhone, yeah? Eight. iPhone eight. Retina display? The way you're saying that makes me think I'm wrong. I just want to help you out a little bit here. Sure.

Because it's, okay. Retina display, do you remember when they defined the retina display on stage? No. They got on stage and they were like, this display is the first display where the pixels are so small that your eye cannot discern like individual pixels on the screen from a readable, from this distance.

Okay. And then they made that screen and then every screen for the next like X years had the same pixel density because they're like, yeah, we got it. Retina, retina HD, they're all here. I have a question. Is there something called super Retina display? I think at this point they have like a super Retina LCD in the iPhone XR or something weird.

There is something called super Retina display and I got confused because I'm not sure if that's different than Retina display and I'm not sure if it's newer and I don't know what Retina display and i got confused because i'm not sure if that's different than retina display and i'm not sure if it's newer and i don't know what retina display yeah yeah i'm not sure if adam's trying to mess with us no that's different i should give up on helping oh you shouldn't help at all if i'm being honest yeah it's the iphone 4 yeah wolf yeah iphone 4 that was like one of the biggest changes to the iphone in history because that's the one that got leaked remember the rectangle design the new you know glass front

and back all that fun stuff yeah i'm gonna do significantly worse on questions from before i started working here that's fair super retina was on the 10 the super retina was on the okay so i'm thinking around that because 8 and 10 came out at the same time. And I was thinking maybe it's just on the 8 and that could be conserved first. Good save. Good save. Oh, yeah. I'll give myself a minor pat on the back. If I were David, I would probably be asking for half credit.

Yeah. Okay. So current score, Marquez 6, Andrew 3. All right. The other question. Let's see. It's rigged. Andrew could get this one.

I hope so. You may know that mac is andrew's dog what you might not know is that mac isn't his full name do you know what it is here's a question for you yes his full name that was on his collar when i first caught him do you have that or do you have whoa like pre you naming him pre mac no no not pre mac it's it has to do let's just say your answer because i'll say what yeah now i'm curious yeah i thought it was burt macklin correct okay his collar said burt burt macklin fbi fbi okay i think it has to be included in the name so that's fair okay Okay. I don't know. Well, I'll give him credit. I had Burt Macklin, but...

Okay, so you're giving him credit? Burt Macklin, FBI. Yeah. Yeah. All right, so you both get points. Okay, yeah, that's pretty good. For those of you who don't know, that's a Parks and Rec reference.

He was the alter ego of Andy Dwyer when he becomes an FBI agent, Burt Macklin. Yeah. That's his full name. Now you guys can stop asking. You just referenced this clip. Or you can ask a million times because you won't see this clip or forget about it. There's still people who ask what the K stands for in your name, even though we released

that five million subs ago. All right. Well, we'll just keep answering. It'll keep. Well, that's it for this week on Wave Farm. Thanks again for watching and listening. Don't forget to hit the subscribe button if you haven't already. Very important.

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