Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Did Anything Change with AirPods Max 2?

Episode Date: March 20, 2026

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David sit down to talk about everything from Rivian to NVIDIA before getting into the new AirPods Max 2. They also recap their SXSW experience, MotionVFX, and new mice/game controllers before wrapping it all up with trivia. Enjoy! Links: Tesla spokesperson statement Verge - Samsung discontinuing Trifold MKBHD - Nothing phone 4a and 4a Pro Apple newsroom - AirPods Max 2 Apple buys MotionVFX NVIDIA DLSS 5 Pixel Paw Labs Mouse This episode brought to you by: Framer: https://www.framer.com/wave Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/waveform Socials: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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wherever you get your podcast and on YouTube. I have beef with this okay that's your beef. Back about 10, 12, 15 years ago when I was growing up, I had this mouse called the Cyborg Rat Mouse. Was it from Mad Cats? Yeah, from Mad Cats.

And it was a fully modular adjustment. I got made fun of for that relentlessly. It's the same thing. Look at it. It's the same thing. Yo, what's up? People of the Internet. Welcome back to your regularly scheduled programming on the Wayform podcast.

We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. So the last episode we published, we published from South By, Southwest, which was a lot of fun. It was live recorded in front of that studio audience, is what we're going to

call it? Sure. It was not a studio. There's a group of people. It was a fun time. We interacted with a lot of people. You can go back and listen to it and watch it on YouTube. It was sick. Now we're back. And of course, we did have a couple of you guys stay at South by Southwest and see some other stuff, so we'll get to some talking about that.

But there's also some new Apple products, the Nothing Phone 4A Pro, and Samsung killing a product. And also our favorite YouTuber coming back from the dead. My man. My man. Yeah.

But first. Did they even test this? Did they? I'm just going at it again. I got a long list, apparently. It's just going to be Andrew's rants, parts of the podcast, yeah. All right? Love it.

Marquez, I know you don't watch a lot of YouTube on your TV, right? Right. So, for those of you who do. Yeah, only on TV. You do, right? Well, on my projector. Yeah, yeah. But have you ever gone into the history section to try and watch something and realize

that for some reason on the TV app, it lists previous shorts you've watched individually. So I'll try and paint this picture really fast. Your problem is that you're watching shorts. Well, I'm watching shorts on my phone, not on my TV. But shorts, you can watch 15 shorts in a minute, right? If you're just scrolling through... You can watch 15 shorts in 15 seconds.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. If you just swipe, if you just spam through, like, three in a row, does it count all of those as a history? It counts all of those as a singular watching history. So... Are you serious? On your TV, if you were to do that very quickly, now when you go to the history section on your TV, the whole carousel of like previously watched things is now just short, short, short, short, short, short. They should just separate that.

So the thing is, they know how to already because on your desktop app, it's separated. If you go to the history on your desktop app, you can either click shorts or videos and it's even in two different sections or on mobile the way they do it, which is how they should do it on TV is in those thumbnails on like the carousel of. different videos. One of them is just a combined thumbnail of all the previous shorts you kind of watched in the last time you were scrolling shorts. Therefore, not completely clogging it up. But on TV, the place where you are most likely to not watch shorts and only watch long form, let's say, what happens to me the most is I watch something like on the treadmill in the gym, then between then and when I go to bed to turn on, I've probably scrolled through a couple shorts. I have a 15-minute timer on mine. But that's the

If you watch 15, now when I get into bed later and try and find the video I watched, because it's not going to show up on my homepage because I'm halfway through, the easiest way to do it is going to my history and be like, oh, that was literally the last YouTube video I watched. It's not there because there's 20 freaking shorts instead. And then I have to type it out on the remote, which is still the worst thing ever. Yeah. Do you ever use a watch later feature on YouTube?

Constantly. Yeah. I add a million videos to my watch later and I never watch them later. What? Really? I used to have that exact same behavior. How do you do it? Just in the app, there's a little watch later. No, no, sorry.

Like, how do you personally use it? I use watch later as something I see pop up, don't watch, and add to there to remember to watch it. Not halfway through, then click Watch Later and go back to it. Yeah, I mean, if I'm halfway through a long video and I want to finish watching The Rest Later, I used to use the Watchlater feature on YouTube. Now I used Pocket for a long time.

That got killed. Now I use Rangrop.io. I just save them all to that. But I used to use the watch later feature on YouTube, and then I would just forget about stuff. And then I'd go back and I go, oh, there's 73 videos in here. I meant to watch later.

And that became tough. What you can do is you can watch like two seconds of it, and then the next time you open YouTube, it's like the first suggested video. Sometimes. Sometimes. It feels like it debates on whether you're saying. You can't rely on it.

Yeah. There's too much content uploaded. You just forget what you wanted to watch. Too much stuff. It's annoying. Do you know it would be easy? Just don't show me. freaking shorts on my TV or separate them.

Separate them. Easy, easy, easy. I think we should get rid of shorts. I don't disagree. Good luck convincing YouTube. I think the stat that I recently, I was on the Dude Perfect podcast and we were trying to figure out how many views YouTube got per day. Was that views or uploaded? I think views. I'll go back and double check, but I'm fairly sure we discovered that there's about a, I want to get it right, of five billion views per day of long form videos, but two. hundred billion views per day of shorts and that ratio on YouTube on YouTube and that made it

very clear to me that shorts are not going anywhere every person on earth watches like just a lot two videos yeah like one view is like three seconds or whatever so it's like saying like more than 220 you know people eat so many packs of skittles per day but people eat trillions of individual skittles it's like all right yeah not a useful metric trillions but the uh The supply versus the demand is crazy. Yeah, views. I wouldn't say it's demand. I would say it's...

No, that's what I'm saying. There's not as much demand. Oh, I see what you're saying. Sorry, there's a ton of demand, but not as much supply. Of shorts. So shorts just get tons of views because there's not that many shorts. It's not saturated. Yeah.

Because how long it takes to make a short, I mean, it's not that long, but into comparison of how fast we can rip through shorts when watching. Like, you could sit down on the toilet and be through 50 shorts by just, just like, yeah, that's why the demand number of use is so high. Do you think AI

could make shorts? Yes. It's already, it's already clogging the entire feed. Okay, I have a YouTube complaint. It's not,

and it's not a, did they even test this? Because they probably did and there's some stupid, apparently technical reason. I think I brought this up before. On my, because I use a projector.

I use the Nebula X1, I think, projector. Very bright kind of blinds me at night. And I don't know. I think there might be a way to turn the brightness down, but I have not found it. Anyway, I told you last week about how there's the two different volume menus that it likes to just like randomly pick between.

But there is no way to watch content, change the playback speed on the projector. Oh, I don't know. For some reason, there is the option. There's a playback speed option. And when you go to click it, it's grayed out. And it says not available on this device. And I think. So now you've got to like watch it as it was designed to be watched.

You got to watch this in one-time speed. We're on 3X now. That's not even real. We're in 3-X mode. Why do you hate YouTube videos? I hate everything. Can I go one step? I want to move through life faster, so I die sooner.

I want to go one step further in the wrong direction, vaguely relative to this, but I was messing around with Adam the other day on my phone because the new Google update changed the animation when folders open on your homepage and has this little like the pixel. update yeah the pixel update sorry the bottom row kind of like folds out and i just don't like it so as in developer options changing animation speed and i had this brain fart where i see 0.5x is the faster but then i was like wait no does that mean it's going slower so then i saw 10x and i was like oh this will be 10 times faster and clicked it and then like swiped up and then it's 10 times slower and yet the the window's just like molasses do do do do do do do do do so i was like oh my that's funny I know it's a developer option, so you're not supposed to really do it or just to see like smoothness.

You have to be a developer to do that. It was so funny, though. It's like the Matrix. It was, yeah, it was like neo-dodging bullets. Anyway, I do watch content that, you know, well, now I watch all content at 1x speed on my projector because I can't watch it at 3x speed. Nice. But, you know, content that's made to be consumed at normal speed, I will consume at normal speed. If it's talking head, 2x.

if it's vlog 2x Yeah see How do you define content What that was meant To be watched At normal speed

I would argue Almost all content Is meant to be watched There's a lot of content That I watch For informational purposes And just to like

You're talking about podcasts No What is Podcasts are mostly OneX for me That's the most shocking thing you said What?

That's really confusing So what is not A meant to be watched At 1X speed He's explained This he's saying When he's like Researching something

Do the like 2x to really quickly listen to all of it and then reference something he's reading later. Yeah, or jump back to it. Yeah, or jump back. If it's supposed to be for like the visual, I have to watch the visuals and it's more about the experience than I do 1X. But if it's like, I just need to soak up this information, then it's like two to three. Sometimes there's just a, I don't watch a lot of 2X, but sometimes there's a video where it's like super grasping bit of information in the title. Like there was one about how like Earth had 65 million years of rain nonstop.

And I was like, I want to listen to this real fast, but I don't have time for it. So quick 2X to basically just like, 30 minutes later, be like, it had a lot of rain. That was crazy. That's what the watch leader is for. Fair. I'm not on YouTube to view your art. I'm there to learn things. How do you?

This podcast is art. You know who we work for? 30 frames, one second. The reason that's the ratio. The podcast at 1XB generally is because I don't have enough new podcast today. and if I run out, then how am I supposed to be alone with my thoughts? Slow it down. I would panic.

No, actually, yesterday I did go to the gym without anything. And it was, I raw dog day. It was crazy. The gym with no audio. He just didn't work out either. He just stood there the whole dog. He looked in the mirror for 45 minutes. He was like, I hate this.

Why do people do this? Anyway, okay, we should move on. We were at South by Southwest as we just talked about. So we wanted to mention a few of the highlights that we saw in Austin, Texas. An extremely short amount of time we were there. Some of us, I think... Like 24 hours.

Yeah, Marquez, Adam and I were there for less than 24 hours. And then David and Ellis stayed for... Sit till Sunday. Yeah, sit till Sunday. We saw... Wait, wait, wait, first. Yes. Thank you to everyone who came here.

Yes, seriously. Oh, yeah. That was amazing. That was so much fun. And also, we met so many of you, and you guys were all so nice and cool and fun. And that was great. I had so much fun. The crowd was.

was a little smaller than last time, but I would argue louder and more rambunct. Oh, yeah, Marquez on the audience at 30,000. It was probably like 25,000. A little less than we thought. But crowd was awesome. Questions were great. Whoever we met, super cool. We met some people at in and out, like the night before, which is really awesome. And Ellis. So some other people we met at internet were in a band that was playing at South by Southwest, and then Ellis and I went to their show. And then this week, they're coming to New York. They're from Australia, might. and uh and and and out's incredible man do you know it asks and then we're gonna we're gonna hang out with them this week yeah shout out swap meet the band swap meet we haven't figured it out is having a

week yeah yeah oh yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah sure they asked ellis if he was your frisbee teammate so we think they just know you from frisbee and not from this that's really funny yeah it's pretty awesome it is funny that i was talking about the like you know meeting some of you guys and 99% of people who came up and said hi were saying i've watched the video or I've seen, I've started to get a variety of things they say, oh, you do the car videos. I'll be like, oh, yeah. Or I'll hear like, oh, you do the TikToks.

I'll go, oh, yeah. The TikToks. And I think. You were the guy, fashion week or a, uh, the Meggall. Yeah, I don't get that anymore. But I do, I think like one out of every hundred will be like, oh, you're the Frisbee guy.

And I'm like, whoa, that's, that's a throw. Every time, yeah. Did you miss the one where they came up and went, oh, you're David and Andrews co-host. No, I missed that. Yeah, that was awesome to hear from a lot of you guys. We got some fun questions. So, anyway, you guys were there for a little bit after the couple days following our podcast.

What did you guys see? Well, before we left and they stayed there, right across from our hotel was this parking lot with like a Tesla experience. I believe it's called an activation. All of Austin was an activation. Literally every single, the coffee shop we went to had ads on our cups. Everything is an action. This is what happened to Coachella to, man. I mean, it's probably great for, the local businesses probably made a ton of money,

which is probably super helpful. Yeah, so glad that a little company like Starbucks can just, like, roll it, you know. But so, yeah, the Tesla activation was right across from our hotel. So we came back, and there was this flatbed truck with a big glass box and the cybercap inside of it. Yeah, I guess they had a bunch of Tesla's in this parking lot. They had Model 3s, the new Model Y, the cyber truck, and then they had one trailer in the corner pulled by a black cyber truck that was like clear that had a single robot taxi. It was pulled by a cyber truck.

I thought it was a flat pad. Oh wow. Yeah. Yeah. See there is a whole activation. You missed it. So they had the little cyber cab in there. Someone actually on Twitter pointed out that that's the same clear trailer they used to bring

around I think a Model Y when it first got unveiled and they had like the tape that they had like pulled the model Y off but you could still see the outline of the text that said Model Y. That's hilarious. Anyway, they're doing the clear trailer thing and there's a Robotaxie sitting right there. There's a Robotaxie. Well, so that's, it was there. Then we saw later on the corner, there was another one parked, not driving, but parked. And then there was other videos of one driving that had a steering wheel.

It reminded me that it had scissor doors. Yeah. I forgot. You mentioned that every time. Yeah, every time I said it. You're just like programmed into. Like, why did they do that? Yeah, they opened sort of like a ladybug, you know?

That's a good way of putting it. Yeah. Wait, so we saw one on the street that was like doing its thing. It wasn't doing its thing. It had a steering wheel. Well, yeah, but I mean, it wasn't, what I was going to say was I'm confused because that one was silver gray, I think, and the one we saw in the trailer was gold. You saw a robo taxi. That was a robo taxi.

A robo taxi is a modified model three. Model Y. A robot taxi is an unmodified model Y that is a person in the passenger seat and nobody in the driver's seat that is operating kind of the same way like Waymo is in Austin where you can grab a ride from the app. The cyber taxi is a fake car made of stickers. with gold. I did, someone was. Those are stickers. That's the, oh my God.

Someone was driving one of them, like very slowly at like 15 miles an hour along the road. Someone did drive. A cyber cab? Yeah, cyber cab. And it had a steering wheel? Yes, that's steering wheel. But it has no side mirrors, which is legal. So they were going at like 15 miles an hour and very slowly.

So when people say that they were driving around Austin, In a Robotaxi. In a Robotaxi is the Model Y. The Robotaxi service is a ride hailing service of Model Y's. It's like Waymo and Model Wise. So this cyber cab... The cyber cab is the... On the road yet.

Not on the road yet. It's the two-door gold-painted... No steering wheel. That was the thing we saw the truck. I thought that people at the live show were saying they saw that driving around. And that's why I was like... No, I did see it driving around. Oh, you did.

I did. It was driving around very slowly. Oh, okay. With a steering wheel. With the steering wheel. It's not supposed to have a... And it didn't have rearview mirrors or side mirrors, side mirrors. Yeah.

Allegedly, when the cyber cab comes out, it will be sold to human beings in 2026 with no steering wheel pedals or mirrors. Because two-seater, yeah, wireless charging. Oh, yeah. So two things we noticed is one, I thought it was to make this confusing and maybe helps in the confusingness of Adam right there. It said Robotaxi on the side, but that's because that's the service. It did light up, which was kind of cool. there's this really funny video of, I guess, them turning it off at night where like 10 Tesla employees are like wrapped around the front trunk to not be able to see the person reaching

in to turn it off because I guess that's where the switch is. They do the same thing in soccer when they're about to hit a goal. Really? You stand in a line in front of the person. So at the event, it has gold arrow wheel hubcap and then it was painted gold. This was like a big sticker that looked pretty terrible. Yeah. There's a whole, there's actually a long list of things that people have pointed out

have changed between the initial unveiling at the event, because we all got to walk up to that one and sit in it and take videos of it to now what they're parading around in this trailer, and I'm sure more changes will happen. This happens with the cyber truck. This happens every time. But yeah, one of those changes was instead of paint on the sidewall of the tire to make it look like a low profile tire, now they had essentially glued a hubcap that is larger than the wheel itself and extends onto the tire to again make it look like a low profile tire.

but they glued it to the side of the tire. I don't even think you can, like, you need some amount of brake cooling, and I don't think you can have a completely opaque thing that just seals your brake into the wheel. It was a vinyl sticker. Yeah, it was definitely like,

yeah, because this thing isn't good driving. So it just has to sit there and look like a cyber cat, Robitaxi or whatever. But yeah, the idea is to make it look really futuristic, and part of this futuristic aesthetic is like a big wheel. Like you see, you picture Tron, and you're like, oh, big wheel, small car, very futuristic. So they're trying to make it look like a low profile tire and a big wheel.

And this is the new way they're doing it is with a sticker. Yeah, I did see someone post a video of them. I guess they didn't really know what it was, but asking one of the Tesla employees. This was the one that was on the corner at the hotel, not in the truck, but not driving. And the way that the Tesla employee described it was, this vehicle is going into production about next month or so, potentially available for consumers sometime next year. So now they're saying 2027? Well, this is, it's hard because this is a singular random employee or maybe not even Tesla employee.

They may have just been hired for the activation there. I have no idea. But as a person with a Tesla shirt answering questions about the cyber cab to someone who came up and asked, doesn't he know about the bet? Doesn't that guy know about the bet? I wish you went and talked to him. I really kind of wanted to. We drove by it and I was like, what if I walked up and just asked like, when is this thing coming

out, what they have said to me? I have no idea. We have no idea. I guess we'll never know. Well, in other car news, Ellis and I got to write around in the Rivian R2. This one is almost a real car. It's so close. It's like a month from now?

Yeah. Right around the corner. Well, cute. What is it? Spring. Spring. June 20th. It's so cool.

June 21st. It's technically just as real as a cyber cab right now, but it's so close. It's very close. It's so close. Yeah. We did ride in it. They had an activation. They had an activation there.

where you would go up a really steep hill and there were these micro hills where the car would rotate back and forth really quickly so that you could see how the suspension was sort of like keeping you upright and you felt like you're gonna roll over but then you didn't roll over. It's pretty nice.

We rode in it. It felt extremely similar to an R1 in terms of like build quality and stuff like that. You've used it so like you know you have experience too. That was fun. We had to wait in that line for like an hour

because like so many people wanted to be in that like try it. out. Do you know, is that only the performance that has that active suspension? They all have just active dampers. There's no air suspension in any of them. It's still a good suspension for what it is. Performance has semi-active suspension and I don't see that on other of trims. And it must have been the performance. So one of the things that was really cool about the Rivian ride-along event that I wish all companies would do is that the people driving these cars or the engineers.

We're like engineers and developers for the cars. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like it typically, it's really hard to talk to someone who had a technical input on a product. From, from, maybe, maybe not for you, Marquez.

No, this is usually true. Yeah, it's like, generally these companies are like, no, no, no, you're going to talk to the communications people. The engineers will stay locked away and they're, there's a spectrum of companies and how guilty they are of this. I think maybe near the top of the list is like Apple,

You only talk to PR people and marketing people. Yeah. But on the other side of the spectrum, there are companies who it's like, especially a lot of auto companies, you will sit in the car with the chassis engineer or the people who actually helped make that product happen. Yeah. Which is much more interesting to me. Yeah. Anyway, I was very like, tell me everything the car knows about what's going on right now. And I got a pretty detailed explanation.

Yeah. I mean, as details, you could be the whole ride along is like 45 seconds. Yeah. So I was like, speed. Yeah. Yeah. Point to X speed. It does a unique to performance trim.

It's an active suspension. They had all these cool plaid colors. I say plaid because it's like stripes of color that kind of like overlay over each other, kind of like a weave, like a basket weave. More vinyl stickers. Probably. But everyone was like, oh, these colors are so cool. And then they were like, but we're not going to sell them. They're selling a few colors.

They're selling gray, gray, gray. Purple gray. Purple gray and gray. There's also a green gray and a gray green. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody had tweeted like, oh, these colors are so awesome. Like, why aren't you going to sell these?

And Rivian responded, like, we love the color selection that we chose. And I was like, that's the PR person. Yeah. Gray, gray and gray. I think that they just like are, if you want a fun color, you have to pay way more money. I think that's the move. I'm not super in the off-roading world, but the liveries. on the like show cars they had at Southby to me

looked like they were inspired by the classic Baja trucks if you know any of those liverys just for audio listeners who are trying to imagine. Like who let the dogs out kind of thing? No, like the drink at Taco Bell. Oh. No, no, like Baja, the famous off-road truck race. Right, yeah. Yeah.

I wonder about this sometimes. Like I almost want to start a formal petition like Rivian, please sell us the wrapped R2. It looks so cool. Remember the camouflage wrap from our initial auto focus video? which is like R2D2 themed. A lot of people were like, this looks sick. I would want one of these.

And I just wonder, you know, companies tend not to do wraps. Maybe they're worried about, like, vinyl getting damaged or, like, people having a weird experience versus paint. I don't know, but I wish they would sell us these looks. They look cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess you could go get a rap separately and people will and et cetera.

But those do costs a lot of money. So that was fun. There was also the also bike, which is the Rivian sort of spinoff company. Oh, yeah. We saw a guy writing it, and he told us that we could write it, and then we forgot to do it. We were going to do it, and then we forgot. But apparently they're pretty cool. They look pretty interesting.

They look kind of like a combination between a nothing phone and like an Apple product. It looks like a weird, like future bike from Meet the Robinsons. Yeah. Someone attached a like teenage engineering box. Yeah. The box like by the pedals feels very teenage engineer. Yeah. And I know that Quinn, Snazzy Labs has done a video.

maybe just a short or something about it. He got to go test it out for a while. A few people have. It seemed pretty cool. They're very expensive, but they're pretty neat. So that was neat. And then Ellis and I made a little hike out to the outskirts of Austin to see the brain audio story. I don't know if it's fair to call it.

It's just South Congress. Well, I've never been there. So I'm going to call it upstate New York. It's Westchester. It's Westchester. We went, we walked about three. quarters of a mile south of the river. The outskirts Ellis. It was hot. It was so hot. Yeah, we met up with brain audio at the brain store. Brain audio being that company that we made a video studio video

a little bit ago that people got really mad at the way we titled it, but I don't care. The speaker broke physics. And they are working on new product that they just unveiled at CES. We weren't at CES. We didn't get to see it there. It's called the party pro. Yeah. And it has the updated version of their rad driver, which is like this subwoofer mechanism that they've developed. Yeah. It's got the power of nine brain X's something like that. It's crazy. It's just like, it's crazy.

So this new speaker is like bigger than brain. It's like we, there's a brain X sitting right off camera over here. Lunchbox sized. Yeah. This is this is like brain X is like lunchbox size. Prady Pro is like big like large microwave. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a good way to describe it. And it's just one of those things where you look at it and you go, I can imagine how much base that box will produce. And then you go, oh my, oh my goodness. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. And there's a bunch of really cool features that I'm super excited for. And it just seems like we're closer and closer to this rad technology being in like actual commercial speakers. Just crossed my mind.

As we were talking about the title that we used for the brain video and the meta of reviewing tech on YouTube. You're saying we get the technical information from the manufacturer, which then gets obfuscated into more marketing everyday terminology to get given to us, which then we break down into technical information to understand better and then re-turn back into video. We're all just birds. I went to a talk. See, so if you don't know what South by Southwest is, it's like this everything. Andrew joked. It's an activation. It's the Connections Convention. And so I went to this talk that was the chief marketing officers of Under Armour,

the Tikova cowboy boot brand, and then like a major tech company, tech conglomerate that I don't want to say who was for the sake of the story. And I went up to the tech guy afterwards. And I was like, you know, you don't know this, but you and I have been locked in this intricate one-way dance for quite some time. And he was like, what do you mean? And I explained that to him. I was like, you know, you're the marketing officer for this guy.

Like your engineering department gives your marketing department this like technical sheet that then your marketing department has to turn into stuff that the average person can can understand. Press release. Like Mark has said earlier, a lot of companies do not give us direct access to it information. So then we have to take the press releases and like reverse technicalize it to give it to you guys who actually do care about that technical information. And so I explained it. And I was like, I was like, I've been doing this dance with you and your marketing department for years now, man. Yeah. How much is this speaker going to cost?

Oh, no. I don't know. Because at the risk of sounding like a whole, who cares? It's going to be, it sounds, I mean, the way you're describing it, it sounds like it's not. It sounds like it's going to be so expensive that no one's going to be able to buy. There's two things I want to say that. The first is I'm going to steal what David was about to say because it relates to this, which is we cover a lot of like flagship huge tech. The cool part about brain and working with brain.

talking with these guys is that they are the epitome of like two guys with a garage who are like actually changing the game and making something really really cool and unique and uh even though it's again it's like this is a marketed as a party speaker you know i don't think either any of us are the kind of people that like pull up to the beach with like a big giant speaker um i mean they even said they didn't really want to make a party speaker but it's kind of the natural progression of what they I don't know how much it's going to cost. The brain X is sort of the most expensive, one of the most expensive Bluetooth speakers in its category.

A lot of the cool things about the new party pro is, and this is inside baseball speaker knowledge, but there's like this integrated chassis, and then the top has these latch points that connect directly to the chassis. So you can stack them on top of each other and form the speaker arrangement called a line array, which is a really common venue system. And then also you can have at hanging points.

Now you can hang these from the ceiling. So they made a party speaker, but it's a party speaker that if you have the right hardware can actually function as an integrated sound system in a small venue. And then they also added like full I.O. and this proprietary Ethernet-based communication system. And so like if you're in the market for like a party speaker,

this will be one of the, one of the more, my guess is one of the more expensive things in the thing. It's going to have amazing battery life because of the rad technology and how efficient it is. And it's going to get way louder relative to the size and weight of its competitors. And then also it's the kind of thing where if you're already a dork and can sort of look ahead and see these tactical opportunities, like you could actually build a pretty cool room with these or they have the ability to turn off the tweeters and the woofers and just have the sub be the only actuator. So if you have a small home studio. At the risk of sounding like, who cares?

I think I literally forgot you were talking. They are going to parking up the wrong tree with their market. These are not consumer speakers. Yeah, the Bluetooth. Nothing you said sounds consummated. Sorry, I was that said I was so bad. I got distracted by something. I guess I guess we only care about the fascist pro max freaking. Most people only care about the cheapest speaker.

That's it. Yeah. Not how it sounds. The Bluetooth speaker market is like one of those crabs where eventually you just end up at party speaker and the further you go from party speaker the smaller your market is. And so you're probably going out in price or in size or whatever. So like something like this, a $500 Bluetooth speaker is way outside.

I think I'm like the 600. Yeah, same with like the WLA Phantom that we show, which is like obviously an insane. That's like a $2,000 speaker. And it's more of the novelty of like, look at how insane this thing is. And it's capable of some crazy things. And also, they're everywhere in New York.

airport. And this is another one of those things where it's like, hey, this one's also insane for these other reasons. And if you're a super audio nerd, you know you can turn it into just the sub-wifor and then have a setup of a bunch of these you can make into a room. But at the end of the day, most, most people by volume are like, how loud? And the answer is louder than literally everything else. I think the benefit there is similar to like the DVLAs in the Newark Airport of like if you're a business that needs very few small form speakers that can fill a room. It seems kind of perfect for that. That price point doesn't matter as much.

That was practically our South by Southwest. We got a bunch of, yeah, we got a bunch of barbecue. Terry blacks. Dave and I went to the Blue Sky X onion party. There was Blue Sky, Twitter, and the Onion? That's crazy. X. Ah.

Got them. I went to a party that was themed. Pun master, but doesn't see him coming. I went to a party that was Kentucky Derby themed. And New Year's Eve theme. I heard some of the weirdest. I heard somebody went to a turbotax party. I'm like, what are you guys doing?

What is happening in South by? The Don Tolliver turbo tax concert. Yeah. Some side by stuff. That was our Austin experience. Now we will move on to what this podcast is usually about. Oh, also. Yeah, we just saw Tom Scott's coming back, which is exciting.

He's a friend who's been on the podcast before. He took a two-year hiatus. from YouTube and he's coming back and I'm very excited to watch everything he makes again. Tom Scott and I have also been in an intricate dance that he didn't know about. He wears this red Fruit of the Loom shirt

that my grandpa gave me when I was like five and that I wore to sleep every night for like 15 years and then I saw Tom Scott wearing the same shirt and I was like, we are the same. So we danced together. How did he get my shirt? How did he get my shirt? Anyway, he's back with a six-back and I think we're going to take a break now.

We have actual content coming up, I promise. I promise. Trivia. Guys, thank you so much for mentioning the Tom Scott story because my trivia question is about Tom Scott and it would have not really made a lot of sense. One of Tom Scott's most legendary videos is the one where he wrote that script and the title of the video auto updates. based on how many views it has. You're all familiar. No one look it up. Because the question is

how many current? Price's right rules. What is the title of that video? And I'm going to hit refresh right before you guys answer the question to make sure we have the most up-to-date. Remember, this is Price's right rules. So closest without going over. Exactly. So guessing one would be both

dumb and genius. Oh, interesting. I guessing five of the... I feel like that video spawns a bunch of other videos trying to like growth hack their way into like this YouTube video isn't what you think it is or like somehow it changes. Have you seen the influx of them recently?

That's like there are five YouTube videos in this video and it's somebody makes five separate videos but then like post it in five different screens in it and then the audio tracks you swap between are five different audio tracks. So like in two minutes, the guy in the middle, if you click Audio Track 1, is that guy talking.

And then the guy, like, picture and picture in the side, it might be like the Japanese dub, the whatever. But all they're doing to that, but it's all English. They're just uploading something else. So then, like, in the top left is a guy talking that the mouth doesn't match the first one, but when you click, like, Japanese dub,

now that's not. If you watch all of them, you get, like, 500% retention. I love that. And that's hilarious. And also, that's specifically, like, like a very like of the times using the features like remember okay this is going to make me sound old mystery guitar man is that ring bell you guys remember i used to do like choose your own adventure with annotations yeah so you'd watch the first minute of the video and then there'd be like the top

half annotation or the bottom half annotation and you could pick one and it would take you to the next part and it was a whole series of like a web of things to get you to end that was cool that was that was sick that was of the times have you i seen like the youtube trumpets the youtube or someone a video that's just like every 30 seconds, it'll be like a different note on the trumpet, and then you can take the nod. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's good. Go do, do, do, do, do.

That should be forever. That should work today. I like people utilizing the feature sets to make weird art. Yeah. It's cool. Love it. All right. Well, tell us that trivia question, Ellis.

Oh, you already did. We'll have to think of the number of views. Yeah. Closes to that going over. Answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back. Support for the show comes from Shop. Shopify. The early days of starting a business are equal parts exciting and terrifying.

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This is part two of the podcast, but this phone has three parts. It's the Samsung Galaxy Trifold. Damn, that was good. Thank you. Thought about that one last night. Why is the Trifold coming up? Okay, so we're talking about the trifold because reportedly, Samsung is discontinuing it.

Damn, that was fast. That was... That was... That was really fast. I want to make that a sound bite. It was really fast. Yeah, a Samsung spokesperson has told Bloomberg that the Samsung... tri-fold will be getting one final restock today, March 17th, but after that, it will be gone.

The decision reportedly comes as a result of high production costs, which made the trifold nearly impossible to make a profit on. You could maybe speculate that RAM prices have a lot to do with that. The entire supply chain is just getting insane, and I imagine that Samsung was barely making a margin on this thing already. It seems that now they're not even selling that many. It's been reported that fewer than 6,000 units were sold domestically in Korea since it launched, and it launched in Korea before it launched here. Korea was like the main place they were selling.

Correct. They did eventually launch in the United States in, I believe, late January or so. But, yeah, it was a short timeline, less than three months for the trifold. So Samsung did say that they are going to trickle down the technology into future foldable devices, but it was not mentioned about whether or not they were going to make a trifold again, which is kind of... I'm sure they will at some point, but you better buy it now before they're completely sold out if you really want it. Yeah, interesting. Thoughts on that. One thought that you just said is the technology would trickle down to other folds.

I don't know what tech from the trifold is applicable to trickle down to the other fold other than having one more screen. You've seen probably a bunch of videos now in your subbox. A lot of them are sponsored, but now the embargo is up of the Apofind N6, I believe it's called, which is their no feel crease foldable. No feel crease. No feel crease. So you look at it and visually there's no crease and you run your finger over it

and you can't really feel a crease either. And you know, you get a fresh fold 7 out the box and it looks pretty good, but you fold it a bunch of times and you start to see that crease form. And this one is supposed to be rated for some thousands of folds and should never appear to have a crease that you can feel.

Which is really cool. That's a tech I'd want to trickle down into a bunch of other foldables. The tri-fold to me was just Samsung going, hey, what if this works? Let's try it. We're Samsung. And then, you know, it happened to, I'm punning today.

But yeah, sometimes it doesn't work and sometimes people don't buy it. And it's also $3,000. It was also really, really, really expensive. But I think the fact that it's not even selling that well in its home country, like Samsung is a lot of Korea. So if it's not selling well there, yeah, they make everything. That's like coming out with an electric car that doesn't sell well in California. You're like, well, we're cooked.

You can't sell well here. It's like not selling very many avocados in California. That's, yeah, exactly. The best part about this was they cooked with the subtitle for the Verge article and just said it didn't try for very long. TRI. Very nice. Very nice. Damn.

Yeah. So again, you want to get on on that for $3,000? You be my guest. But I think most reviews were like, it's cool. It's interesting and it's neat, but it's still kind of lacking. And, yeah, we'll see in the future. Maybe TriFold 2 is just coming out soon. I don't think that's going to happen.

I will say TriFold is available. it's eligible still for a smartphone award 2026 for best big phone it's just even though it only was three months of 2026 that is kind of sad because then the awards come out and then you can't buy it yep have we ever had a discontinued phone win an award like yeah like come out get discontinued and won't win an award has anything else really been discontinued besides the note 7 has the hydrogen get discontinued before it won the award okay the bust award doesn't count that makes the most that was still available right it might when I gave it the award, maybe.

I mean, the Central got discontinued, but it was a while later. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It would be truly unprecedented at times we're living in. Yeah. LG probably died mid-year. Oh.

Yeah. So that probably means there was a phone that came out. I mean, the wing probably came out within a year of it. LG quitting. Oh, that's true. Yeah. But the wing didn't win any awards. Well, yeah.

The wing was crazy. The wing was pretty good. Should have won all the awards. Yeah. So speaking of phones that probably won't get discontontontat. Maybe. Maybe. I actually had a different segue I was going to throw to, because I have, okay, by the time

we're watching this, our nothing phone 4A and 4A Pro reviews, or one review, is out. I'm going to actually hold it. I have the 4A Pro right here. This is the pink one. It's not the best looking version of this phone. I think the monocolored versions are better. Pink, allegedly. I, you know, I reviewed the phones, and I also have this theory, because we've talked about nothing

before about why they're not doing a flagship this year. They're not doing a, yeah, you can hold it. They're not doing a nothing phone four. They're just doing a 4A and a 4A pro. 4i pro light. And it's interesting. And I think, you know, you mentioned RAM prices. I think nothing is in a really tough spot, whereas a smaller company, they don't get the best costs because their order sizes from suppliers are smaller.

And in general, they probably spend more for all the same specs as the big, you know, flagship companies. They, these conditions can't really make a competitive. competitive flagship. Last time they tried was Nothing Phone 3 last year, $800, kind of got flame for it. They put a flagship chip in it, but it just wasn't, you know, a full-on flagship, especially the camera performance. What they do thrive at is really good mid-range phones. These are competitive, good, well-priced mid-range phones. The Nothing Phone 4A is $349 euros, $3004.49 pounds. It's really good for that price. Triple cameras for that price. iPhone can't say that. Pixel can't say that. Samsung might have a triple camera phone at that

but it's like, that's nice. It's an OLED. It's 120 hertz. It's a Snapdragon 7S Gen 4. It's a good phone for 349. And then the 4A Pro that you're holding is 500 US dollars, and it's not as great of a deal, but it's still pretty good.

So, yeah, the reviews are out. I'm curious, you know, now that you're holding one and looking at the 4A Pro, what do you think of... Yeah, I want to boot it up real quick and just kind of see the stuff. Again, like you said, so it's metal. So nowhere else charging. Yep.

Metal phones are sick. but no wireless charging. It's sad. I'm fine with that because like if you give me no wireless charging and a glassback, then I'm mad. If you're going to not give us wireless charging, then give me the premium and then I'm okay with it. True. The 4A does not have wireless charging. I will miss wireless charging, but I'm glad they at least gave you the premium other option. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that nothing is still doing a pretty good job with the constraints that they had. Like you said, the $349 one is cooking like crazy. I, you know how on Twitter randomly some bot? will like a tweet that you made from like 10 years ago.

All the time. All the time. So yesterday I bought like a tweet that I had made in a thread about the Pixel 4A when it first came out. And that phone was $349. And I really obviously, Pixel 4A is one of my favorite pixels they ever made. Hardware, plastic, very cheap. And I was sort of just talking about the software makes up for it, et cetera, et cetera. This is like, I mean, the nothing phone 3, 4A is sort of like.

the, it's a much better version of that. So it's got everything that the pixel 4A had, but, you know, it's more premium in many, many ways. So if you look like, you know, even if you add inflation into account or how many years, six years after the pixel 4A and we still have this, being able to buy something like that at 349

is still an incredible deal, especially in the universe we are currently living in with like RAM shortages and stuff. Yeah. So, but like you said, it's going to come down to, whether or not you actually want the extra stuff that comes with the pro, and if you're okay with the metal unibody versus the other designs?

Yeah, I just find the positioning fascinating. Yeah, I think it's good positioning. I think these phones are awesome at their price point. I don't love the pink on this as much because inside the camera bump, it doesn't match, whereas the black one has like black interiors and the silver one has the white interiors. This basically has the silver interiors on the camera bump. They didn't send us a silver one, which I think is the best looking one.

It matches the best with the red accent and everything, which I'm bummed about. But there's a small example I wanted to throw in here of Ellis talking about how, like, technical versus marketing aspects and how that can kind of be confusing. And it made me realize, like, sometimes with these briefs or like press briefings and the briefs that they actually send us, it feels like we're translators at some point because we need to find, goes from technical to marketing jargon to us then trying to figure out the, level of technical and jargon to use. But on the 4A Pro with the glyph system, the interface, the LED interface, the glyph matrix. The glyph matrix, thank you. They write it is like 50% bigger and twice as bright.

So we are doing the script and I'm like going through it and making sure everything's correct and seeing what else we can add to it. And I go, oh, it's bigger. The easiest way to prove that is bigger other than showing it is to find out how many LEDs are inside it because they made a big deal of it being like 100, 37 mini LEDs in here. So I was like, cool, the old one must be less. And then I keep getting this that the nothing three has 489 micro LEDs,

why this has 137 mini LEDs, but is bigger. So their way of saying this is, oh, this is physically bigger, but also way worse resolutions. But we're not going to say it as less pixels in it. Yeah, they'll never say that in the press release. And truthfully, I don't think it matters. I think it gets the point across. in there. I don't think you need because the resolution still looks terrible on the 489 pixel one.

Yeah. But that's an example of those. 499 is still a very good price for a phone like this. I just have beef the higher they go up in the range and I think that would have toppled with a pro phone. Yeah. Or with like a flagship phone. Yeah.

So like the 349, nothing 4A is a great deal and a really good phone for the price. You're spending theoretically $150 more for this pro phone. All you're getting, honestly, is the aluminum build. Yeah. And the glyph matrix. You know, the screens are almost the same. They're a tiny bit bigger. The pixel density is almost the same, but the brightness is almost the same.

The cameras are almost the same. The same chipset. The chip set goes from a Snapdragon 7Sgen 4 to a Snapdragon 7 Gen 4. The RAM is the same. It's like almost the same phone. Pro features, I'm like, oh, it's the pro. Maybe there's some camera features or there's some pro things that are enabled by the software. I think it's just HDR video on the pro and 140X zoom instead of 70X zoom.

World's First, which is just crop. So the 150 bucks up to the 4A Pro is like now it's a decent value. If they tried to go all, that was the shutter sound? Yeah. If they tried to go all the way up, I think, to a flagship $800 phone and put a a Snapdragon 8S Gen 5 or whatever in there and tried to go 12 gigs of RAM and all this other stuff, high in storage, high in screen, high in cameras, they would be looking at their thinnest margins and their least competitive phone.

And so they just didn't do it. There is one thing you get with the 4A Pro versus the 4A, which is the ability to purchase it in the United States. The 4A is not coming to the U.S. Which is too bad because it's a better deal. Yeah, I guess the other thing is just design. Yeah. You might like this design with the metal body better.

It's definitely a little bit louder. And the silver version. And the silver looks really cool. Yeah. You think this is louder? Yes. I think this is less loud than the 4A. The 4A.

The 4A still has all of the like designs and everything. everything going through it where this is like keeping it up into just this pill. The bean or whatever we call it. This is the plateau. That's the bean. The beans, the camera. I'm talking about the 4A.

Oh, yeah, yeah. The 4A is just one big bean. Yes. Yeah. I think that is more subtle overall. I understand like they've got the clear back and everything.

But the bean itself, I think it is more subtle. Hmm. I think we should call it the pill, not the bean. Speaking of weird marketing terms to use for tech products, did you guys know that the AirPods Mac's top headband is called the canopy? What?

That actually makes a lot of sense. No, it's called the headband. The most Apple's thing I have ever heard. It makes sense. Am I hating so much? I only know this because they just came out with the AirPods Max 2 News of the Week.

Very quietly announced for the press release in the Apple Newsroom. It has an H2 chip in there and new amplifiers, and that's kind of all you need to know. Wait, it doesn't even have a new canopy? It's this, well, it's new colors, I guess. Yeah.

But physically on the outside, it's the same. There's no new on-off switch. There's no new case. All of the normal AirPods Max things. Yeah, all the normal AirPods Max form factor stuff still there. Yeah. But new amplifier is an H-2 chip, potentially better sound, but also one and a half times stronger active noise cancellation.

And then a couple, you know, interesting computational features like studio quality mics, allegedly. You should not. Conversational awareness or voice. isolation winger on a phone call, stuff like that. That's what the chip is doing. Apple, if you can record an album using AirPods Max as the microphone, then I will be sold. Again, Apple is in pure marketing land with these terms.

But yes, the top of the AirPods Max is officially called the canopy. So if you ever want to refer to that top piece, that's what that is. David, why would you give them that idea? They're going to release an album now. Good. That's a studio video. That's a studio quality. Yeah, church is true.

It's funny because Apple does make some products that are genuinely, like, professionally used all the time and they can go, hey, here's an album that was made and mixed on a MacBook Pro with their speakers. And you'd be like, that's crazy, but I guess someone could do that. But then there's like the studio quality microphones on the IMac and you're like, there no studio has ever used these microphones. Studio quality is a stretch, is a stretch. I do think you can kind of record a, you could record a podcast with the MacBook microphones

and it sounds okay. Yep. I think many people have. I mean, not we wouldn't, but many people have. out there. There's a chance it sounds better than quite a few of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Well, they sort of updated it with a lot of the things that the AirPods Pro 3 got. I think that's the reason that they wanted to do it because the AirPods Pro 3 were technically better in multiple ways. Like you're able to answer calls by nodding and reject them by shaking your head. They added that. They added the game mode that reduces the wireless latency if you want to use them for gaming. So they added that. They now have a camera remote feature on the digital crown or the crown.

where you can like press it and it will take a photo with your iPhone or your iPad. That's what I was really waiting to upgrade for. I was just thinking like, this is for selfies generally, and then you have to be wearing AirPods Macs in your selfie. Yeah. Which is exactly what Apple marketing wants. The thing that's weird about that is, I'm not mad that they added a feature.

No. It doesn't take away. I can't even about it. But in order to use that, you generally would need a camera shutter remote for like a group photo. So that means you either are in the group photo with AirPods. holding your AirPods max.

Or you have it on while the rest of the people in your group don't. And then you just like... This is just a big for Apple to like get more AirPods Macs and photos. I got to see if you can use this feature while they're not on your head. That's a great question because they, don't they just turn off if you don't have them on your head? Typically they just stop or... That would be so funny if you could only use them while they're on your head. They don't turn off.

There's no off button. Even if you're holding them. That's weird. You're still holding a pair of air pads. Yeah, I would hold them in my hand and like put them behind my back. and then take a picture like this in the group with the crown behind my bag. I hit the button. David,

I forgot that they go to the sleep mode and take them off your head. That makes the recording an album with them even funnier because you'd have to like stick your head. In the bass drum of the thing. You have to like literally put your head right next to the guitar app. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. This might be a studio pair. That's basically what Vision Pro does when you're taking video of Vision Pro.

You have to go. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Someone's got to do a like taking Apple ads literally. Yeah. Like, oh, this is a studio quality microphone? Okay. And just put their head up against the guitar.

That would be really funny. There's now a personalized volume feature that automatically fine-tunes volume based on your preferences over time, which I believe means like it analyzes how loud you're listening to music on a like long period of time. So it's just always going to be maxed out. No. You know why that's fine? Because there's no number associated with it. No, that's not fine. That's not fine.

That's like my worst nightmare. Wait, Ellis, I just was, do you also hate the feet? I would love your thoughts on the feature of like, you know how some cars when you get up to a certain speed will automatically increase the music volume while you're driving? Yeah. This feels like that, doesn't it? You know, to me, that feature, I've always had a problem with not on a audio level, but on like a, that feels like it encourages you to drive like a maniac. Like, you drive faster so the music gets louder, so you drive faster so the music gets. Sorry, officer, the volume was just too low.

Right. My, like, I want my headphones. I want to learn my headphones. I don't want my headphones to learn me so that I can interpret everything coming out of headphones. Because I would love to be able to use AirPods Max for work. Like, I would love it. I think all of these features are designed for the opposite. No, I know. They sound, I think they sound good enough to do a decent amount of professional audio work on and the idea of having one headphone that I have like a listen mode and I know what music and podcast sound like on it and then I can go and work on them and like work as a reference. But there's such a black box as far as they're processing that I would not be able to trust anything that comes out of them. They should have a studio mode. Yes. That's a free idea for Apple. Yeah. Because you know that there are people who are trying to use these for that exact application.

And because of all this computing, it's not ideal for that. But if there was just a studio button. Wait, question. Yeah. If you used the USBC adapter to 3.5 millimeter cable and plugged it in for the lossless, does that still have the personal... You got to get your fax rate, Bucco. Because the USBC to 3.5 millimeter does not support lossless.

Only C to C supports lossless. Yeah, yeah, C to C. Okay, so if you use the C to C for whatever, for a fucking reason. Does that, would that be the studio mode? It would be a nice like trigger to give you the button

like it's still doing all the yeah. Yeah, I think all the processing happens on the H2 chip which yeah. Yeah. So that's a free idea for Jaws or whoever's watching the pot right now from Apple. I was waiting to see how long it would take for someone to be like

and they support loss list. It is funny that they wait until now to call it two because they released the updated AirPods Max with USBC. And that technically added the like lossless via USBC. And they changed the colors a little bit. And they changed the colors. Now they change the chip and now it's two.

Yeah. I don't really know why that makes it too. H2 chip. Well on Wikipedia, that one's called Gen 1. It's still Gen 1 with USBC. So at first. Airpos max, then AirPods Max, then AirPods Max with the OPC. And then now AirPaz Max too.

I'm excited for them. I know we're not generally AirPods Max like lovers in this room. I just think after you after your rant I did I did fly to South by with my AirPods Max instead of the Sony's and they sound phenomenal yeah they sound phenomenal they're awesome for flying

and I'm excited to hear what one and a half times stronger ANC sounds like me too probably not that much I wish they didn't have to take up my entire backpack I wish they were nice to use it's like a crazy thing to say about a $500 per cent of them just wish they did any of the things I wanted them they have made their Andrew, 550.

It is quite like crazy and kind of ironic that such a simple design has become so iconic. Like I see them all over Brooklyn. They're pretty vicious. People run with these things, which is insane to me because they're so heavy. That's insane. They're not meant for that. Stop it. The canopy can't support them.

That's why I say they're perfect for flying because it's perfect for flying because they weigh so much that you just lean your head back because you're on a plane and they have A&C. So awesome A&C and they're heavy at it doesn't matter. and the canopy sits nicely on your head. Apple really likes to make things that are really bad for your neck. The Vision Pro. Yeah, man. We use these with the Vision Pro. F1 drivers.

Oh, my God. Have you guys seen the crazy, like, suite of third-party accessories that exist now for, for what? In New York. Because David's right. Like, I see AirPods Macs all the time in New York. And so, like, people, like, there are all sorts of, like, clear slash opaque covers you can get and, like, sticker packs and, like,

Those stickers I get. I've seen people, you can get attachedable cat ears for the canopy. People really like personalize them. It's cool. Razors been all over that. The cat ears. I have seen that. They're still 550.

Yeah. Still really expensive. You could buy this or you could buy MacBook Neo. Truly. Oh my God. This was one of my favorite takes on Twitter was that seeing MacBook Neo and AirPods Max next to each other in the same store, is truly like those are the opposite approach to a product.

Like MacBook Neo is going as low as possible in price to essentially maximize your chances of customer acquisition in like the masses. And then hopefully that gets the people into like buying Apple services and buying other Apple products. And that's the like Trojan horse of like, all right, no, I'm an Apple guy. MacBook Neo is their YouTube shorts for discovery.

Yeah, it's a big funnel. but AirPods Macs are the exact opposite. It's like these are, you're not going to get these as your first Apple product. I ever. Wait, can I tell a recommending MacBook Neo story that happened yesterday? Yeah. Because I feel like, you know, it was like, someone was like, oh, it was my, it was actually really funny.

It was one of my doctors. We were in the middle of an appointment. She was like, by the way, like tech guy. I've had this happen. Should I get the Neo? And I was like, I don't know. Like, probably. like unless you're doing anything, you know, do you make TikToks on the side, like Dr. TikToks?

And she was like, no, no, no. She's like, to be honest, I'm less worried about the computer doing stuff and I'm more worried about, like, switching to Mac from Windows because I've just always been a Windows person. And I was like, you know, it's kind of cool switching to Mac. Like, if you have an iPhone, like, you'll get your texts on your computer and stuff. And she was like, you'll get your texts on your computer. And I was like, you need to need. Oh, my God. Like you, this is who it's, this is who it's for.

That's funny. That is funny. Well, there are new colors, as we mentioned. There's midnight, which is gray. There's starlight, which is gray. I'm just kidding. There's starlight, which is gold. There's orange, which is orange, but it's kind of burnt.

There's purple, which is lilac, and there's blue, which is sky blue. My favorite part is that you can mix and match these ear cups. The ear cups just pop off so easily, which is, like, great for longer. And now there are so many colors of AirPods max earcups that you could just go crazy. They all work with each other. Yeah. Now you can have $700. headphones.

One more quick Apple story before we take it to break. You guys might not know this, the listeners of the podcast, unless you are a content creator, but Motion VFX, which is a plug-in suite that basically sells really nice plugins for Final Cut Pro, DaVinci Resolve, and Premiere Pro. We use extensively at the office. We use so many of these. Marquez has been using the M-Blueprint plugin since the beginning of time, since the dinosaurs. It's true.

It's very true. And they got acquired by Apple yesterday, which we don't really know how to feel about because Apple obviously makes Final Cut Pro. And this company makes very good plugins for DaVinci Resolve and Premier Pro. Baye-O-Mark has a lot of money. We do have an MKBHD plugin. I was going to say, I've been using them for so long that they noticed that I've been using them for so long. And they were like, what if we collabed on an MKBHD plugin where we have like a bunch of Yermost used stuff and then some other custom stuff? and we were like, oh, yeah, that's awesome.

So we made an MKBHD plugin in the MotionVFX Suite. Yeah. Apple also acquired all of that. They get that too. Yeah, that's a weird. Yeah. Apple owns our plans. Yeah.

So I'm assuming they're going to do the Dark Sky thing where, unfortunately, they're going to stop supporting DaVinci Resolve and Premiere, right? I reached out to them and they didn't reply, so I don't know. They will. Yeah. The second they bought Dark Sky, it was no longer available on Android. And I just feel like that's the first thing you're going to do is like make this plug-in suite Apple only. I could see them still supporting the existing plugins, but not making new ones for- Didn't they kill Dark Sky altogether too?

Eventually, yes. But at first it was- Is this going to be a final cut feature? Every single plugin just integrate into Final Cut? Okay, here's how, yeah, this is how I forecast it going. And I'm bad at predicting the future, but this is the weather out. Yeah, well, this is how I think it will go based on how past things have gone. Number one, they buy it.

So number two, now they pull support for DaVinci Resolve and Premier, and it's just available for Final Cut. And then eventually in some year and a half down the road version of Final Cut will start to see stuff from MotionVFX built into Final Cut Pro. And then they eventually just sunset MotionVFX and then it is what it is. All the plugins that I've been buying for years will eventually kind of like my dark-sized subscription, just be wasted money. And ideally, a lot of that stuff gets pulled in and because,

comes a reason for people to use Final Cut because that's what Apple wants. That's ideally for Final Cut. That's ideally for Apple. Not for everyone else. Yeah, that's ideal for Apple. I don't know if they're going to pull it into Final Cut. I feel like they're just going to make it its own separate thing in the Creator Studio. Oh, that's a good take.

Oh, that's a good take. That'd be crazy. That'd be insane value. Yeah. I mean, each of those plugins are like, stop. Yeah. Well, each of those plugins are like $80. They're not cheap.

They're price. That's a good point. And they come, like, when you buy one plugin, it comes with. a ton of different plugins inside of it. And not for nothing. But they are like 80 bucks. But that like the motion VFX plugins have like the YouTuber industry like kind of locked in.

Yeah. Yeah. Unless you want to start building your own stuff or like if you know after effects. If you have a Michael who's just amazing at graphics. There's also motion array but motion array is not good. Like there's never been. Yeah. Motion.

Motion is just not good. Apple motion is terrible. Yes. Yeah. I use the MGB HD plugins all the time. I mean there's pixel like there's pixel mater, you know, like they bought Pixelmator and it's still a dedicated app. That got put into the education

bundle. Yeah, that's into bundle. Creative bundle. The creator one or the creator one? I mean, educated one. Oh my God, I can't speak. The education one? The creator one. The creator one. That's the one. Yeah. Pixelmator was already just a Mac app.

Yeah. So this is weirder because now we're potentially losing, like Dark Sky, losing the other platforms, which sucks. But we're just speculating though. Yeah. The funniest thing kind of about this is Marquez tweets about Final Cut crashing all the time and Apple loves to be like, we tried to recreate all these things and we're just seeing

no problems. Little do they know, Motion VFX and Final Cut. Hate each other. Yeah. Seems you hate each other a lot. Like, it works great. We still love motion VFX. But the majority of the time Final Cut crashes is like a plug-in.

Like right when the play gets there. It's like when your dad marries your bully's mom and now you guys are step-brothers. But like, I feel like, every time you tweet about that someone from Apple's like what's going on what's going on and now they're going to buy it and start using it and be like oh my god people work like this does crash all the time they're going to learn real quick yeah i think most of probably most of my bugs for the last couple years i've used final cut are not actually a final cut bug they are a plugin with final cut i shoot red there's the red plug-in has caused many crashes yeah there's the motion of the effects plugins those have caused many crashes so over the year every time I'll have like a really frustrating edit with Final Cut because it starts crashing over and over and I tweet about it. The Final Cut team reaches out and they're like, what's going on with Final Cut? And I'll send them the logs and they're like, yeah, maybe disable that plugin and see if it still happens.

And then it's fine. It's like when using Windows because your Nvidia display driver crashes on your HP Omen laptop powered by Esos Ram. You've got such a good segue. There's just unfortunately a trivia break in between. Oh. So hold that thought. Let's do trivia. That was good though. That was good. Okay. Question number two. So, Apple's high-speed event announced such classics as MagSafe and HomePod Mini.

Dang. What year was that event? MagSafe and HomePod Mini. Are we doing Delta or prices right? This one, I think let's do Delta. Let's do Delta. United. Do you know what I found the other day? Not totally related to this, but kind of really. We have that one butcher's block. And do you remember when the original home pods used to stain wood when you left it on it for too long? Yeah.

We still have this butcher's block that just has a white circle on it because we left a home pot on it for like 24 hours. Not even that long. Like the rubberized bottom just straight up stained wood. That's a how did they not even test this? Yeah. Yeah. All right. We'll take it to break and come back.

All right, welcome back. Another thing that happened this week was Invidia's annual GTC conference in San Francisco. They sometimes reveal new graphics cards. They sometimes, actually all the time, revealed new AI. This year, they revealed new AI, as usual. So there is a thing that NVIDIA has been doing for quite a few years now called DLSS. It's deep learning super sampling back when AI was called Deep Learning. They have their new version, which is DLSS-5, which is the thing that has been getting the most chatter in the last couple of days. And the reason for this is because what DLSS usually does

is it sort of upscales content that doesn't actually have to be rendered by the graphics card. It's like AI models that do upscaling. This year, they kind of took it to the next, I don't know if you want to say next level or if like a whole other level entirely because basically what this is doing

is it is looking at the pixels and then it's generating texture maps that are anchored to the scenes content to make it look high resolution while not taking more processing power. The reason people are making memes about this is because it's basically doing like generative texture mapping to a lot of the stuff.

And a lot of the resulting images kind of just look like they, it's almost this uncanny valley thing where they almost look like real people, but it's like that, it's that close off that it feels awkward. And the sharpening and the contrast are just way up on everything. Like all the jackets look like really, really contrasty and sharpened. Clarity slider. The clarity slider is so high up.

It's like the spiritual clarity. Because I just feel like a lot of them are like, well, a lot of them, it's like, it's like, this is an old person. So let's make them look as old as possible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking at that.

I'm watching the side by side video right now. And each time they do the side by side, every little bit of micro. It's literally like throwing the clarity slider up. Every bit of micro texture turns into very visible texture. And so if you have a person that has a little bit of wrinkles, it adds a lot of wrinkles. It also was a little annoying because it kind of like reminded me a little bit of HCR almost where some of the stuff, the shadows just get completely pulled up.

It's like they just get rid of shadows. And they add detail, but it's like that didn't need to be there. Like why do I need to see the background characters' t-shirt, you know? This is also getting a lot of flack because they showed some demos with like Resident Evil, which they always like to use Resident Evil for their demos. And a lot of people were saying that the DLSS-Five off image was like not even what it looks like in game. It's actually way higher quality than the off image that they showed. So people were speculating that they down quality, like made the quality lower just so it could look like a bigger difference.

So there was some drama around that. The biggest question mark with most AI features just becomes like if you are letting the graphics card use deep learning to create textures for you. How much of that gets taken away from the original artists? Yeah. That's like the question. And Nvidia says like it's different in that when it generates these textures and stuff, they get rooted to the actual model.

So it's not like it's generating like the scenes dynamically and changing everything dynamically. But and there are some sliders that the developers are going to be able to use for how much shading they want on certain things. how much light they want on certain things, the way that the texture is going to look. But yeah, it's just one of those kind of like moral quandaries where everyone's a little bit weirded out by this. I have maybe a stupid question. That's okay.

I guess if the idea is this technology and these models are individually on your GPU analyzing the scene and upscaling, not upscaling, but like doing the improvement to quality, does that mean that theoretically everyone could look at the same, exact map or have the same exact thing they're doing in a game, but it could look

slightly different. I don't know. That is something that I will have to investigate. Yeah. It's possible. I mean, you're taking the exact. Oh yeah, I guess it's generative. Like they have slight, they said that the developer has some sliders, but I don't know how much they have control over the actual text,

resulting textures. The developer would send the game out to everyone so everyone everyone should have the exact same game, so it should be, you'd think it would be taking the same source material and doing it exactly the same. But I guess... A lot of generative stuff is random. Yeah, it's based on like noise, which will have a different seat.

But also, remember a few weeks ago, I was like, yo, how does DLSS work? This blows my mind. And then a bunch of people emailed me and I still don't understand. It's, yeah. I feel like Nvidia has this weird thing where wherever they release something really good, the way I find out is by a bunch of memes online.

It's like, that's how I know something huge in Nvidia just happened. Yeah. Yeah. That's actually valid. Same. Yeah. They need to do that because if NVIDIA drop something that isn't the greatest thing in the world, the entire U.S. economy crashes. That's also true. The bubble will die. Yeah. Yeah.

And then, oh my God. Yeah, there was a big rumor that at this event they were going to launch their own arm-based consumer PC chips, the N1 and the N1X. That did not come out at this conference yet. It could also drop at the very last minute because it's still going on. It probably won't, though. And that would be very interesting because then they would be competing with Snapchat. and Intel and all these things. But,

Nvidia, as they are invested in many companies that are also heavily invested in Intel. So that's kind of like a weird, weird little collaboration there. Anyways, these will be available on RTX-50 series GPUs in the fall. And I guess we'll be able to see how either terrible or good it actually is

once that happens. Speaking of gaming really quickly, there is this new split mouse thing that starts as a regular mouse. I actually, I could have used this this weekend because Ellis and I had a four-hour delay at the airport and I wanted to play Dota and didn't have a mouse. And we walked all around the airport

for like an hour. And I found one mouse that was probably 30 years old and it was $30 and I did not buy it. And I used my trackpad and it was a horrible experience playing Dota too. Anyway, this mouse looks like a regular kind of travel mouse and then you can split it in half

and then it's like these switch-style game pads. Is this real? Oh, it's pre-order. It's a Kickstarter, I think. think it's called the pixel paw it's if you for audio listeners if you imagine just a black a regular black mouse two buttons you'll notice there's no scroll wheel because that split between the buttons follows the entire length of the mouse because that's where it literally just snaps in half and now you have a full game console split like joycon controllers there's no scroll wheel because it that's

annoying that's annoying left side you have your joystick and dpad right side you have abx y and another Sparkle emoji button? What does that do? AI. It's on both of them. This is, you know, it's Bluetooth and dongle support 72 hours of battery life. A thousand hertz polling rate. I can't believe this thing.

Well, it's not really good. So whatever. This has a thousand hertz pulling rate, but the Logitech MX Master 4 does not. Multi-device pairing. What's funny is the render of this looks awesome, but then the videos they actually post, the texture of the mouse looks very 3D printed. so I'm not quite sure how far along they are. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

This imagery makes me really nervous. The imagery kind of makes me nervous. It's a really cool design. It doesn't look like the most comfortable mouse in the world. It has these really big pieces on the back where the back of your palm almost wrist would sit. And I don't know if that feels nice or not. I am annoyed by the lack of scroll wheel.

That's pretty annoying. No scroll wheel kind of feels like a deal breaker. Because whether you're just productivity or playing game scroll wheel almost always does something really important to what you're doing. Totally. So that kind of sticks. But it could, you know, it's Bluetooth and has a dog that connect to a bunch of different

things and just be a straight up controller, which is kind of neat. Yeah. Maybe if you're using Steam Deck as like bringing a Steam Deck around, it might be kind of cool for different types of games that work better with a mouse or a controller. Yeah. And if you compare this to a Switch 2, it would also make a lot of sense. Yeah. I tend to Switch 2.

But real quick, since we're talking about mice, I got a new mouse recently that I think is kind of neat. So I'll talk about it as fast as possible. What's his name? Herbert. Stuart. Little. He's a little boy.

His name is Ponege. This is a company where I do not love their name. But I do like a lot of their products. I can see the target demographic. Yeah, exactly. This is very obviously a gaming mouse. They do make also one of my favorite Hall Effect keyboards. But this is the Sim 3.

They make a bunch of mice, and what they do really cool is they're, like, ultra-customizable. I brought it here. Essentially, what this is is a gaming mouse that has kind of all the specs you would ever want, up to 8,000 hertz pulling rate, 200 hours of battery life, 50 grams without holes. Kind of the ideal mouse, but the problem with a mouse is no matter how good all the specs are, it comes down to feel. And it's really hard to tell how a mouse feels by the internet. Sometimes you just have to buy a couple of them to see.

This is super customizable with almost no tools. You can just pop the back off and have different colors and sizes of where your palm raises. So it can like pump up more. It can go down more. Oh, you know, it's just. There's also each button can really easily just pop right off. Dang. So now you can do different colors.

You can have different size indents in each mouse button without them, different sizes. See the body? Yes. But does it have JoyCon? inside? No, but it does have with a little tool, this is the only thing

you need a tool for, this is like a mechanical keyboard switch tool is you can actually take out the switches for each button for each mouse clicks. And there are different types of Wow, I'm so mad. I'm so mad.

At what? There are different type of optical and mechanical switches that you can then put in there just like pop them in, but they all have. That's crazy. Can I ask something?

Yeah. What has been the general reception to this idea online? I'm not that deep in the gaming mouse category anymore. I think they're a pretty popular company. A lot of the pros use them. I think still places like Razor kind of beats out a lot of big ones. Razor and Zowie. So I have beef with this.

Okay. That's your beef. Back about 10, 12, 15 years ago when I was growing up, I had this mouse called the Cyborg rat mouse. Was it from Mad Cats? Yeah, from Madcats. And it was a fully modular adjustment. I got made fun of for that relentlessly.

It's the same thing. It's the same thing. Have you seen that thing? Look, I have big hands. I can't use a regular size mouse. This mouse, I get to customize it to fit my hand. Oh, I get to move it. I get to put weights in it or take the weights out of it.

The same idea. I didn't even need special tools. It was all built in. And I had this customizable mouse that was perfect for me. and everyone hated it, and I got hate for it, and then I retired it, and now this idea is suddenly, oh, you can customize your mouse. Would you look at that? That's so nice.

I want to customize my mouse. I'm like, well, you guys don't know about the Mad Cat's rat. The Mad Cat's rat is the cyber truck of gaming. See? See, I got so it gets hate, but it's the OG for this. We have also normalized insane-looking PC peripherals over the last 20 years. I think at that point in time, everything looked really, really basic, and then eventually It was called the rat because it was better than a mouse.

It was bigger. I never made that connection. The problem, if you don't know what this cyborg rat is, is imagine a mouse where all the corners had like a dial that could move it, like up and down or side to side and make it wider or longer or... Yeah, wider the pond. It's not. It's not going to.

This mouse looks like it weighs seven pounds. You could take all the weight out of it. It would be lighter than a normal mouse or put all the weights in it. It would be smooth and heavy. I bet it still weighs more than this wireless one. with 200 hours of battery life. But could you change the weight, though? I don't know.

Everyone right now in the gaming sphere wants light. It's like 50 to 80 grams. It's like... I will find out the weight for you of this mouse because I'm sure it's... But lots of different... Right now there's only black, white, red,

but the Sim 2 had like a million different colors. So two things I think are cool about this. Like I said before, it's all about feel. It's kind of like truly wireless earbuds, right? Like, you might buy a... pair that you think are great, but they don't fit in your ears great. So with this, when you buy it, it comes with all three different backs and the two different buttons. So you can kind of make it fit your hand better. Yeah. And it has all the specs you would want.

Then if you're also someone like me who switches a keyboard out all the time or a desk mat, there will be different colors. So now your mouse can match the different colors of the desk that you're setting up all the time. What's the value in raising or lowering the optical sensor? I don't know. My guess is like, depending on how you lift on. maybe having it more forward facing or not forward facing but more towards the front or more towards the back is better my hot take is if you need to adjust these things you're just bad at video games might not be wrong a lot of pro players that will say a million different things are like oh I'm trying claw grip out this time and now I'm hitting

everything better which I think is kind of snake oil a little or like the the the pro's doing it and you definitely don't need to I was wondering why this wasn't clicking is because I don't think the but the switch is in it but yeah I don't want to sound like an ad

too much but I thought it was neat you can still buy a cyborg rat seven if you love it so much buy it

I'm just saying 20 Mary it's an option get it it's an option my video is from January 31st make a short on it

2012 honestly the short would pay for us all it's 14 years old uh good times well I think that's all we have for this week

we are recording a day early this week because of scheduling conflicts and so if anything major happens tomorrow or Thursday, I'm sally. That's also why I'm wearing green and no one else is because it's St. Patrick's Day. Is it actually? Yes.

What the actual hell? I brought green bagels in it. I'm literally wearing green. All of you didn't realize it was St. Patrick's Day and wore green by accident. 50% of people in the room are wearing green. Is this green? I'm more upset at these two. I mean, this is green gray.

David's laptop is green. Okay, but also I said it and everyone went, what? It is? There's a lot of green in here, actually. No one knew it was St. Patrick's. I literally pulled out of my. driveway and I was like, ah, crap, I forgot to wear green. And I get here and everyone's wearing green.

And then Andrew goes, oh, St. Patrick's Day. And they all go, what? That's today? Like, you're all wearing green by accident? That's insane. You guys, I'm sorry. Thank you for the green. I feel like wearing green and blue is directly.

Contrasting. Or it's just like blue is the antithesis of green. He's the ocean. I don't think that's true. Use the ocean. They're right next to each other in the rainbow. Yeah, blue and green together is like one of the most sought after colors ever. It's seafone.

It just has Miles Davis. That's right. Kind of Blue. Deep cut. I don't get that. No, it was even deeper than that. There's a song on that album called Blue and Green. Oh.

On Kind of Blue? I'm more of a green and blue guy. You know it has no color? It's trivia. No, trivia is blue. Have you ever seen the lights behind you? They're kind of green a little. It's not red.

A little blue and green, actually. After Dark. What is blue? Guys, I have refreshed the video. Okay. I need... What is the title? And we're doing Jeopardy Rules.

you have to write the full title of the video. Wow. Wait, hold on. Jeopardy rules would be you have to write what is and then the full title of the video. No, you're right, you're right. We're doing Ellis, Ellis, we're doing Jellel. We're doing Ellis's, we're doing Jalespredi rules. What is the title of the Tom Scott video as of me refreshing at 35 seconds ago?

Price's right rules. I went super specific. So if I'm off by like five over, I'm going to be. so mad. I think I'm way. I think it's a million over this, but I went under on purpose. Okay, who wants to go first? All of you flipped your board. Okay. Someone read first. Holy moly. Okay, you go first, Marquez. My title is, this video has 12,020,202 views. Excellent guess. Mine is, this video has 17,653,147 views. Excellent guess.

Mine is, this video has 58 million views. objectively a better guess than the other two. This video has 74 million, 958,941. That is so much money. You rolling in it, my guy. Insane. I heard something like they fix the bug that allows you to do this, but they just let him still have the box. Really?

That's awesome. Yeah, as you do. All right. After that quick update on the score, Marquez with 17. Andrew with 19 David after that correct answer with 22 I'm also rolling it

Tom you and me we had red shirts together we had we rolling it together are you just Tom Scott that's right David Bell I've seen them in the same room

we have been in the same room we have many times but I will say David Amel worst takes on waveform best answers at trivia that's right if you don't get that go back and listen to the South By episode

all right next question I only lost by two. Apple's high-speed event announced such classics as MagSafe and HomePod Mini. What year was this event? Did you guys see what got killed by Google this week? Oh, no. Keep? No.

Oh, yeah. Google Fiber. I mean, Google Fiber, yeah. Stop it. Well, they sold Google Fiber. They sold it to private equity. So it's not Google Fiber anymore. It's going to be private equity.

Why is Google selling to private equity? They're selling off their fiber business. Yeah. Because they were like, oh, why are we doing this? Yeah. It's going to be down to stating for the three cities that have it in 10 blocks radius. All right. Flip him and read.

What do we got? I think it's probably. Wait. Marquez is erasing his previous answer. Oh, which one is it going to be? What is it? It could be. He's leaving.

Oh, that's why you made that. All right. It looks like his answer is 2030? 2020. 2020. 20, 2020. 20. 20.

Marquez and I both did 2020. That was sick. All right. I did 2020. That was... David and Marquez, get the point. That was the coolest points anyone's ever gotten on the way for him. That was kind of a bar.

That was pretty sick. Thank you. Count's the same. Only video viewers will understand what just happened. He erased his numbers until it said 2020. But you have to be there. It's for the full effects. It was like in Harry Potter when the letters rearranged and it's like, I am Tom Rivet.

It's like those people who paint something really complicating are like, what is this? And then they turn it upside down and it's this amazing portrait. It was almost that cool, I promise. Anyway, thanks for watching. Welcome back to a regularly scheduled programming. It's still tarch, by the way. There's still a whole other week of tarch to go. You could call it METCH if you want, but it's mostly TARCH.

So we'll see you in the comments section for, for, for, all the fun stories that we missed on Wednesday. It'll still be towards next week too. Dude, tapril's going to be so crazy. Techroll. Techroll? I don't know if I can do another margin. Dude, in tech roll, it'll be

better weather. Get it? In tech roll? It'll be nice. Please end this. We should end this. See you guys next week. Peace. Wait for it's produced by... Well, you read it out now. Wait for Miss Produced by...

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