Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Do Earbuds Need a Touchscreen and Last Minute Apple Predictions

Episode Date: September 2, 2022

This week there were a ton of fun and quirky gadgets to discuss including a pair of earbuds with a screen on the charging case and curved gaming monitors. Then Marques and Andrew discuss phone sales before giving some last-minute predictions of what they're most excited to see at the Apple event next week! Links: JBL Tour Pro 2 earbuds: https://bit.ly/wvfrm131jbltour LG's OLED Flex TV: https://bit.ly/wvfrmep131LG Pixel sales: https://bit.ly/wvfrmep131pixel Twitters: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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of feature or gimmick about a monitor. We'll figure out what it is. We also have Google doubling up their North American smartphone market share, what that means, and why that headline might be a little bit more optimistic than it sounds. But we'll get to that. And we're also going to wrap up with what we're looking forward to maybe non-hardware event non-hardware related at the apple event yeah

there's an extra stuff there but first i tweeted uh well i replied to a tweet yeah from uh it was a new article from the verge about a jbl earbud case with a screen on it i wanted to put this in here and get your thoughts i don't know if this is i i don't i think this can only be two things genius or absolutely terrible and i don't see how it's anywhere in between i don't disagree with you um i'm so like for audio listeners or for anyone who just didn't see this at all um imagine, you know, like JBL's releasing, they're called the Tour Pro 2s. It's a truly wireless earbuds like everyone's doing. It has ANC. It has ambient sound.

It's got pretty much everything everyone's looking for right now, except that the case on the back side of it, it looks like maybe the front side. It's hard to tell because it's not open, but there's a small screen, shows a couple little widgets there. And like that is where you can do some of the controlling for your earbuds. Yeah. Do you want my thoughts first, or do you want... Yeah, what do you think?

What are you leaning? I'm actually leaning... I'm leaning one way, but there's a caveat to it. Okay. I think it's a really good idea for anyone that doesn't have a smartwatch. Does that make sense? Doesn't have a smartwatch? If you have a smartwatch, it makes this completely redundant, I think.

Because most of these, not totally, but most of these controls, like volume, sound skipping, notifications, all that can show up on this screen. But if you have it on your smartwatch, you probably don't also want it on your earbuds case i guess my question is where are you keeping this case like when i go to listen to music with my earbuds i take the the pod or whatever it is out of my pocket yeah i take the earbuds i put them in and then i close the case and i put that back in my pocket so in that exact instance there is no point because i might as well just take out my phone okay so i must not be putting it back in my pocket i feel like there's i tried really hard to think of some of the scenarios that this could be in um so like you know me i always

talk about climbing because it's what i do a lot i could see this being awesome for climbing because my phone is in my chalk bag that comes around with me, but my earbuds case could just be sitting on the mat next to me. And then I can really easily switch sounds turned on active noise canceling or ambient sound, still get notifications and stuff in that. And my phone can just stay in there and not get chalky or kind of hiking. If I don't do this, but if you're one of those people who likes to listen to music while you're hiking rather than the outdoors like maybe just enjoy the outdoors for once then you have that there and you can leave your

phone in your backpack maybe even like traveling or something like that so counterpoint sure I just reviewed the pixel buds Pro which are less expensive than this by the way and you can do all of these same controls on the earbuds. You can switch between ANC and transparency mode. You can play pause. You can go to the next song. Google assistant reads your notifications out loud. You can do all of this stuff without also risking your case. Okay. Counter counterpoint. All of those controls suck on all earphones and i hate looking like a moron tapping on my head but you're tapping on a tiny case and yeah i'd much rather like hold it and like look to see claire texted me that like i should get home which really means i should stay

longer at the climbing gym or like being like skipping songs like the double tap i'm using the sony link buds right now and like tapping my, it makes it look like I'm just like having a tough thought while I'm at the gym. Yeah, I wouldn't go straight to the LinkBuds, but I just feel like. I don't know. I've never had a good time like swiping or like tapping earbuds to get it to like play, pause, skip, go back. So I have a hard time with the swipes on some. Like the Pixel Buds are so small that I couldn't really get the swipe down. But the tap is just like one tap or two taps or three taps.

So I never had a problem with that. Like the big, the Surface Buds, the huge Surface. Maybe they're ahead of their time. Swipe all day on those. Even the Sonys, you can swipe on the side of like actual headphones. But yeah, swipe is volume on the Surface or on the Pixel Buds buds so i didn't really

do that too often yeah i don't i i i don't know i kind of like the case i do think it's crazy like niche um i would also love to hear from people in the comments of like how they could see this working for them i think there are scenarios where somebody would rather have their phone in their bag and then this would be something they can keep in their pocket and make a couple changes and notifications with i can also tell you i would always always prefer to read a notification than have it play through like google yeah oh my i could not my car slack is going i couldn't imagine off and it's just like another person said and they they said, and they said, it's just the worst. The way I type in Slack, like I'm the multiple new line guy in Slack that everyone hates.

It interrupts the previous, like basically I first was starting to test these out and you would type something and then hit enter and that would start reading your message. And before it was over, you'd hit enter on a new message and it would interrupt itself. And so it would just keep sounding like you were interrupting yourself, but i would never hear the entire thought uh i turned that feature off so fast exactly so i mean like i would like to have that on this screen getting a couple so you get your phone notifications on the screen too you can see like on the picture here there's a couple dots on the side that show what screen you're on um and i do believe that it says social media notifications receive calls and messages and see basic things like battery life okay so then here's on the side that show what screen you're on. And I do believe that it says social media notifications, receive calls and messages

and see basic things like battery life. Okay, so then here's another question. Smartwatches, JBL basically just built a smartwatch, but put it inside of a case instead. Yeah. A smartwatch has a pretty limited battery life because the screen uses lots of energy. So this is either a really nice screen

that's gonna destroy the battery life of the case, or it's a really bad screen so that's going to destroy the battery life of the case or it's a really bad screen so that it doesn't impact the battery life that's what i'm guessing that's this says um 32 hours total six hours per usage and 32 hours total in terms of like recharging that sounds totally normal to me um i'm gonna i don't care if the screen's that great it does look like it's a color screen according to one of these renders there's like some orange on it um but it's mostly white but other than that time you're you're right i think it basically has it is a smart watch that then also gives you a couple extra fine tuning details of your earbuds because your smart watch isn't going to be able to it would actually be awesome if it could but

if my smart watch could it does you can turn off like noise canceling with the apple watch does the apple watch does i don't i haven't used the samsung watch yet with pixel buds i'm not sure if it would probably it might do with galaxy buds yeah that's if it doesn't it should because in that case then yeah these are totally um dumb what did you say the price was on this? I don't think I saw. Oh yeah, you're right, $250. This to me looks like something I would fully expect to see. It wouldn't even be phased at all at CES. I would see this on the CES show floor. I'd be like, ah, you had an idea and you just made it a thing

and you brought CES to see if anyone would buy it. This would be like the most tame thing at ces this would be in south hall actually you know you have a really good segment here to the next thing which is a another product that i have listed here that to me feels like should have been at cvs ces and we're seeing it already um which is the bendable monitor um so like we've all seen a bunch of, you know, we've seen the rollable LG TV. We've seen all these foldable phones. Arguable gimmick.

Arguable gimmick. Okay, so this one, I already have a feeling the game we're playing, gimmick or feature, I have a feeling which way you're leaning. But LG and Corsair, which is using an LG panel, so these are both LG panels, came out with a TV and a gaming monitor that lets you bend the monitor

so you can switch between flat screen and curved. So it's not just arrow, it's active arrow. Sorry, that's an inside card thing. It actively changes between flat and curved. I want to correct you a little bit there because actively doing it makes it sound like it does it. Both of these are like you are taking your hands and you are bending this. So you are actively curving it.

Bendable, curvable. Pretty much. Correct. Curvable. Curvable. A curvable monitor. So this is my train of thought. Okay.

That means there's somebody who wants both a flat monitor and a curved monitor. Correct. But wouldn't be fine with just one or the other like they want they have certain situations where they want it to be flat and don't want to be curved and other situations where they want it to be curved and don't want it to be flat i think it is for yes you're right i think it's for somebody who like would love the experience of both, but is, is ultimately making their monitor decision based on which one they would rather like not have to deal with.

Does that make sense? Like if you are like, I want a flat and a curved monitor, but when I'm video editing, I cannot do that on a curve monitor. So I have to pick flat for the other things that I want to do that would be on a curve. So this gives you that option for both. So, so like a flat only application would be like photo or video editing. I think that would be one to me. First person shooting would be like competitive FPS games. I do think there's a difference in that. And I would always want to do it on a flat monitor. Curved only

doesn't have as many applications. Like it's, I feel like having a curve is like nice. It's kind of nice when you're playing like an immersive game like a racing game where the peripherals aren't as important so they're sort of like bent around your center of vision yeah yeah so racing games i like a curved monitor but there's a lot of like first person rpg games stuff like that where immersion just feels like you're a little more in the landscape like i'm sure if you're playing elden ring or like red dead redemption or something like that you you enjoy being in there is there a price for this um i actually did not see one because it's not till later this year potentially start of next year so i bet it is gonna be at ces so there were two there's the corsair xenon i think is how you pronounce it xenon with an extra e flex um and that one is a let me just read the specs here

real quick it's a 45 inch 21 by 9 3440 by 1440 240 hertz gaming monitor and you can bend it to 800 r so like those are great specs i also believe it has a 0.03 millisecond response time which is wild pretty nice super legit monitor wow um and then there's also the lg flex tv which is much more feels like a tv base um and then that is i don't get 42 inch 4k 120 hertz refresh rate 900r oh so this is still gaming why would you have 120 like 120 hertz tv when i hear that it's like this is console game. This is not just like a normal TV. Yeah, I have found myself finding more instances for the gaming monitor because of stuff like that. Like there are a lot of people out there,

especially content creators who do video editing and also then want to game and might do that on a curve monitor and the other on a flat monitor. The TV, this is how I see it. You're living in a house. You have your TV in your living room so when people are over you keep it flat and you're watching tv normally but then you just

some days want to just park your chair four feet in front of the television fire up your xbox or playstation and get immersed in some gaming some racing sims some something like that and you just want to be like nose to the screen immersed into your game and i think we've all been there um that's how i can see it 1440 yeah so it's uh no this is 4k the tv is 4k oh gotcha yeah okay i it's it sounds expensive like when you explain they basically would have to develop a mechanism for this where it's like this is a flexible display and it will be flat when it's in the certain position but we to develop a mechanism for this where it's like this is a flexible display and it will be flat when it's in a certain position, but we also have a mechanism

for getting this perfect 800R or 900R radius. The mechanism for the monitor is literally two handles that pop out that you just crank it. It looks like those chiropractor TikToks. Bitwick Kyle did a video on it and he said it scared him when he first did it because he thought he snapped the monitor.

I was going to say it probably sounds like the Royal FlexPi where you think you're going to break it the whole time, and you're doing it correctly, but it just feels like you're going to break it. Yeah. I bet, yeah, that makes sense. I also have to say the TV itself, because of the stand that it's on, looks pretty bad. It looks a lot like the Odyssey Arc stand,

just like a giant metal clunky like almost like pc monitor stand yeah um it i don't think it would look great in a living room it's you also i doubt you can mount either of these good question uh i'm pretty sure you need a much more stable point to be able to do that it's kind of a specialty i i i get the i i could see the boardroom meeting where they were like i have this idea here's what to here's this specific problem we're going to solve you want one of this but you also want one of this sometimes and the convertible thing uh but i don't think there's that many people that are going to actually bite.

Okay. And, uh, probably won't see very many more of these. Let's, let's end on one quick question for you. Okay. You have to rank in terms of usefulness to gimmickness, the curvable, the self-curving monitors like this, a rollable TV or a foldable phone. That's easy. Foldable phone. Number one, best usefulness.

Okay. Uh, this monitor is number two okay and then rollable tv is number three okay there's just almost there's no real okay the one actual customer for the rollable tv is someone who has a room so big that they can actually put a tv in the middle of a room think about that you've never seen a tv in the middle of a room. Think about that. You've never seen a TV in the middle of a room. But a TV that is bisecting a room where they do occasionally want to roll it back into the box so you can see across the other side of the room. Do you know what I've never thought of?

Why can the LG rollable TV be flipped upside down and rolled out of the ceiling like a projector? I've never seen it do that how although it would be so close to the top it would be kind of grand it would probably be kind of scary to mount it upside down what if you put it on the um the wall high up and it just looks like a shelf it's just a projector at that point yeah but just wait it's not a projector it's a screen rolling out of this the flex it's cool also do you have an outlet in the middle of your room bro you can run some stuff through the wall if you're doing that oh i guess you're still saying it's in the middle of the room i think

we've sidetracked this enough um if if you have an a rollable tv hanging from your ceiling please send us a picture of it we would love to if you have a tv at all please send me a picture of where you've put it in the room and if you're a real person how why i have so many questions please tweet at me we'll bring you on the podcast for real i'll actually do it okay uh let's take a quick break but before we do that we should do trivia so it's been a while since i've done trivia, but I'm gonna keep the good times rolling, because Ellen has found a very good question.

Ellen? Who's Ellen? I'm sorry, Alice. Oh, Alice. Okay, who's Alice? Alright, I guess I'll do this one. So, David and I researching one of our future long-form episodes, came across this fact, and it was too juicy not to include in a podcast trivia. So we've all heard of booting a computer. Booting is actually short for blank.

I only have one guess. I do too, and I'm pretty sure we're both wrong. It's Android related, but I might be wrong. I don't think so. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. Delicious Popeye's Signature Chicken. Four tasty chicken tenders. Four regular size and everybody's favorite. Four buttermilk biscuits. Hurry up, though.

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Yes. By breakout year, I mean we have a headline, and I'm going to read that headline, which is ars technica reporting that google pixel sees a huge sales growth now has two percent of the north american market i want to pause right there i feel like you didn't even do the good headline it was something i think the other headline was google increases na market share by 300 percent oh and then you yeah huge sales growth huge sales growth gets you up to two percent a lot of interesting facts though in that which is you get so much context and uh relevant

information so number one two percent of the north american market sounds like almost nothing but then you have to think about well what are the percentages of the big players and the small players and how does that net out exactly and in north america when i think about, well, what are the percentages of the big players and the small players and how does that net out? Exactly. And in North America, when I think about the North American market, it's Apple and Samsung and then everybody else as far as market share. Like we review phones from all kinds of people. But in North America, when you go on the subway or you walk in the street and you see what phones people have, nine out of every ten phones is Apple or Samsung. So that's what i've seen there's a good amount of motorola here and there but uh that's the first thing and then the other is like this massive growth which means they came from

three quarters of a percent something like that can we talk about that first because i think that's kind of interesting and i think the numbers also might be like a little deceiving because we pixel has been around for a long time and this was growth in q2 2022 so like if we really think about what was happening previously the pixel 5 was like a mid-range phone and not this big flagship that a lot of enthusiasts were after and i still think google feels like more of an enthusiast brand and i think the reason we're seeing this growth is because of how much marketing they've done. And they are slowly starting to creep into the less enthusiast aspect of it.

So when the Pixel 5 isn't really there for the enthusiasts, some people still liked it, nothing against it, but it's not a big flagship. Now that you have one that also is the flagship people were looking for, but also is doing better at marketing, that's why you're gonna to see 230% growth. I do think the marketing has a lot to do with it.

The Pixel, when they got the ad of the Tensor chip, they redesigned the thing and they made it a flagship, but this is the first year that I've seen so many ads for Pixel in everyday places, from billboards to sports events to just commercials on TV. It's kind of all over the place. And that's the first year I've really seen pixel in a lot of places. And I actually notice when I get asked by

more regular people like teammates or something like about the pixel, cause they've seen it more when I can notice that difference in exposure, then I know it's actually a real substantial difference for people. I mean, you walk around New York City and it's on like subway entrances, it's on billboards everywhere. It is, it really is everywhere. They market it really well. And I'm really happy they are also because I do think it's a good phone. I know we make fun of it a lot. It's had a lot of issues, but I do really think it's a good phone. And I do think it should be up there competing. And I think a lot of people who are not crazy tech enthusiasts would like the phone. Yeah, I do. I remember my, uh, my briefing that I had when they were explaining and showing the phone to me. And I just remember Rick Osterloh, like at the end, he introduces me to the Google

team. They gave me the briefing. And at the end, he's like, so what do you think? And he shows me some videos he took of a concert and he's like going over the facts and i just remember he had this smirk on his face of like yeah we did it we did it we made a sick we made the google phone like this is the first really you know focused unique looking yeah obviously google phone for sure and that basically coincided with google deciding to like finally push it as far as marketing. Now, in the U.S. or in North America, you still you got to be next to the carriers. You got to be in the carriers stores, right? You got to be buddy buddy with AT&T and Verizon and all that good stuff.

But yeah, it is a meaningful difference. I've seen a lot of pixels. It definitely is. One other little piece of relevant information here is this is Q2. So 6A did not come out till after these uh this market share analysis so that's not in there and i can only assume that cheaper pixel phone that's in more carrier stores is going to only increase that um so q3 q4 we might see even better numbers from them which would be really awesome um pixel 7 is coming up pixel 7 is coming up and

if they continue to do that marketing, that's awesome. Now, it is also hard to see a number at like 230% and then compare that to a number of 2% and not like really think one is incredible and one feels really low. But like looking on here, I have the list of what we're seeing in North America and the numbers are kind of wild.

So we have Apple at 52% market share in Q2, Samsung at 26%, Motorola at 9%, TCL at 5%, Google at 2%, and then all others at 6%. All of those combined. All of those combined at 6%. Okay. Apple, 52% does not shock me at all. Samsung, 26% is lower than I expected. It is. But when you know about the popularity of the iPhone, seeing about half of them, that sounds about right.

Yeah. Motorola at 9%. So Motorola is extremely popular in the budget range. Like their flagships just, I don't see them anywhere. I know they're in flagship stores because they have a Verizon partnership, but I don't know anybody who buys them. And that's not just anecdotal. Most people don't buy the Edge+. But especially in the U.S. and North America, lots of Motorola budget phones.

9%, sure. Can I butt in there real quick? Sorry. I think the Motorola number is my favorite number here just because I've been saying it for a while that I think Motorola is, has noticed what they do well and has stuck with their guns really well on that. And while they're still trying to do flagships, they totally understand that that budget mid range phone is, is working for them. They have become the default pretty much of maybe not default, but they're the default for people who go into a

carrier store and say i don't care what i want i want it to be a smartphone i want it to be pretty cheap they're gonna toss you a motorola phone they have a lot of options yeah and they're very close to carriers but exactly i remember this one all the way back to like when i was in college this might have been 2014 when the original moto x came out it was a really well-priced phone and i just think ever since then like they kind of tried to go up with moto x but they also went down with like their budget series and all that stuff and the edge stuff it's fine but when they went down in price those things were super popular yeah the number that surprises me here is tcl at five percent that surprised me so they're you're trying to tell me there's twice as many tcl phones in north america as pixel phones am i missing is there like a couple sub brands

that tcl owns that i don't think so i think i'm so we know u.s market much better this is north america and maybe somebody in the comments can can help us anecdotally but like mexico is considered in north america so then there might be more sales in mexico or canada that we don't know about maybe i have never seen someone using a tcl phone i like it's hard for me to even say i've seen a tech enthusiast at like a tech event using a tcl phone let alone somebody that i know or just saw in public yeah there's like several groups that i'm going through in my head which which is like tech enthusiasts. How many like fellow creators or like other YouTubers are using a TCL phone?

I can't think of any. Okay, how many of my friends in real life, teammates, people in my family are using TCL phones? Can't think of any. Okay, how many like sightings on the street do I have of TCL phones? Can't think of any. How many TCL phone ads have I seen in the US?

I can't think of any. So yeah, that's the most surprising one to me. Of course, somebody in a region where there's tons of TCL phones is gonna point out that they're very popular somewhere. I just haven't seen them here. It also is weird here because TCL is a fairly popular television product.

So like the names out there, people know the name. When they go into Best Buy and Walmart, they see TCL all over the place. So it would make sense. And maybe this is just totally anecdotal and the East Coast doesn't have it and we don't see it,

but I just, I don't see them anywhere. I have a theory for you. If you go to Walmart, they have a TCL phone on sale for 40 bucks. Yeah, so is this gonna be, cause this isn't a smartphone. It is smartphones. It's this isn't smartphone it is smartphones it's not feature phones it's smartphones so it's a 40 smartphone yep wow boost mobile tcl 20 xe

prepaid smartphone so i'm gonna guess shout out to boost mobile yeah i'm thinking that's gonna be a good amount of that five percent because i would i know about tcl's flagship phones and i know that they're not everywhere yeah i know they have a bunch of really well-priced ones. 40 bucks is wild. 40 bucks, I get that. I get that. Okay. So now then we have Google coming in at 2%, which is this massive jump from before. I wonder how high OnePlus ever got in North America. I wonder what their peak was. I don't know. It is interesting because on this graph, also shows um annual growth and google being up that high also shows that the other category is down 60 so you can only assume a lot of the people coming to google are from that other section whereas all the other ones

have grown so i don't think there's a lot of people going from apple samsung over to google obviously there might be some but a lot of that going from apple samsung over to google obviously there might be some but i a lot of that's coming from others and i bet one plus is one of the bigger versions inside of others we've we've very clearly chronicled the downfalls of one plus phones in north america for the past couple years so that that would not shock me if they were a big negative um yeah and that's pretty much your total other six percent others um just one more thing i have in here is i have the top 10 models of phones that also were sold in q2 2022 and i thought it was pretty interesting um it should just be a little

further down in the script um but i can read them out loud we have number one iphone 13 number two iphone se number three iphone 13 pro max number four iphone 12 5s 22 ultra 6 moto g power 7 galaxy a13 am i doing the numbers wrong iphone 13 mini galaxy s22 that's nine i may that's top nine top nine i may have missed one but it would be at the end. That is pretty much exactly. If you gave me those nine and told me to put them in order, I probably would have put iPhone 12 further down, and I probably would have put A13 further up. But that's about right. I don't think I would have put A13 up.

I do think, I bet you Samsung is selling their more expensive phones in the u.s because of all our carrier deals and samsung has crazy crazy carrier deals and i don't think the a series is as popular in the north america maybe s20 or maybe just u.s maybe north america would change that a bit um s22 is up there i i do think motorola up there makes sense and i almost would have guessed higher except motorola has so many different models i'm sure it's split yeah moto g stylus moto g what's the other one play there's a bunch of yeah uh i guess the the most expensive phones on that list are s22 ultra and iphone 13 pro max and they're pretty high yeah and i do really think and i've seen this comment a lot iphone se is probably one of the big reasons iPhone mini is doing so poorly because I always

said mini would be the best selling that was before the new se came out. And I said it was just because it was the cheapest iPhone. So the fact that there's an se at number two, people just bought the se instead. Yeah, exactly. Got it. Wow. Okay. Well well that's pretty solid i don't know that's that's not the most shocking list but i do look forward to pixel maybe eventually getting higher on the list prediction pixel 7 prediction by uh end of 2022 do we think total market share in na for google if pixel 7 goes as well as it possibly could and they continue marketing as heavily as they are i could see quarter four of this year being like a five percent year and that's a quarter and just remember 6a is not included in this two percent right now so you're including that also five

percent yeah i could see them getting to 5%. I kind of want to go higher than you because I want to be optimistic. I like to be the more optimistic person, but I can't imagine it going over 5%. I'm just going to agree with you. They're going to take a little bit from Samsung, a little bit from Moto and TCL, a little bit from the other. Maybe a lot from others. Interesting. Okay.

How about this? I bet Google's market share percentage is higher than the others. Right now, others is at six. Google is at two. I think, not saying Google will be over six, but I think the number for Google total market share will be bigger than the number for others total market share. That might be bold, but I like it. Cool.

I like it. And I hope you're right. That's all that matters. Sick. All right. Let's do one more trivia break before that. Okay, trivia question number two. So the first product that Logitech ever made was a mouse.

If you check the waveform slack, I just dropped a picture of it in there for you. I'll put it up on the screen for people. Nice. It was called the P44 and it had three buttons what year was it released in whoa i want to see this first before i guess that answer i feel like i i think i know what it looks like but this looks like oh no that is not it does it looks like a snorlax yeah it's like a laying that it's snorlax blocking the road. I was going to say if you could describe it for listeners, but that's perfect.

Yeah. Classic Snorlax. It looks like you're looking at Snorlax's feet while he's laying and you have to go find your polka flute to get him to move. It's on the other side. It almost looks like there's an ear popping up on the backside. Are you sure this is a mouse photo and not a Snorlax photo? This is 100% a Snorlax mouse.

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All right, welcome back. Let's end with a question. We want to sort of speculate a little bit. Last week, we talked about the things that we're most expecting at the Apple event. Yeah. So it's an Apple event next week. By the time you hear this, it's a couple days away.

And I think as we all sort of know by now the september event is typically the iphone and as i put it iphone accessories so probably a watch and maybe if there's anything else like earpods it's something related to the iphone but i just don't think there's any way they like upstage the iphone with like the ar headset or the mac pro or something crazy okay yeah sorry ar headset just like sent me off whatever else there's rumors but like i don't think we're gonna see any i don't think so either but let's uh let's make some predictions maybe some non-products non-hardware yeah that we think may be possible at this apple event i'll try to make realistic predictions because i like to go like i like speculation sometimes i like pure the rampant speculation oh yeah i mean okay so here's

the way i see the non-hardware stuff apple more than ever services company they know that the iphone is saturated lots of people have iphones they'll keep buying new iphones great new design new chip whatever it happens but now that people all have iPhones, they need a way to make money from those people who have bought their iPhones. And what better way to make lots of recurring revenue than services? So I have the Apple One subscription. I'm probably paying $30 a month at this point for all the things like Apple News and Apple Care and all these other Apple services that you buy. I don't think they're going to invent any new services this time,

but I think they're going to talk about subscriptions. Is this the possible event where they try and tell us why them increasing ads on all of your devices is potentially a good thing? Like the targeted information in google maps or sorry not google maps that would be that would be in apple maps uh stuff like that maybe i don't so they're doing that yes yeah i don't see any way for them to talk about it in any way that's positive i hope they do just because of how i'm looking forward to the creativity we'll say in the

next way possible i when we knew that there wasn't going to be a charger in the box in the iphone i really did sit back and go let's see how they spin this like i can't wait to see how they talk about this and the angle was environmental and i think a lot of people ate it up and it's fine. Like people buy the iPhone and don't even think twice about it now. But to put ads in services on your phone that you've already paid for, I don't know if I could find an upside. Yeah, I don't know if I could find an upside. Yeah, it would be kind of tough.

So I imagine they'll probably just do it and not talk about it. Yeah, that's an interesting point i i mean the first thing i just want to scream from the top of my lungs but i know we're not getting it group fitness challenges if we're talking about the watch um i like please please please please especially at wwdc they were talking about so many new very fitness specific Apple Watch things like running and intervals and stuff like that a lot of really cool things that I

actually I thought were awesome and it felt like it was getting this whole new level of fitness tracking more sleep tracking too more sleep tracking just let us share it just let us share it yeah what better way I mean like it only it doesn't make sense why not to do it that's what

i don't understand i get apple not wanting to do group fitness challenges with other watches but if you're all wearing an apple watch why not just get everyone in a group together it would be probably the most easy hit feature in apple watch history maybe they're just a lean team and we just aren't we think yeah um i i do think though there will be i the software stuff i'm excited for is probably in terms of watch is going to be related to the watch pro which also side note did you see that mark german tweeted lg apparently has the trademark on the term watch pro i saw that so what is samsung's called the galaxy 5 pro or the galaxy watch 5 pro okay watch 5 pro so apple watch is the watch series 8 this time oh so the watch series 8

pro i bet instead of watch pro series i also don't know if just apple watch pro would still count in the same trademark as watch pro all All of that stuff's confusing to me. Also, does LG even still own that patent? Do they get to keep the patent even though they don't make a watch? I guess so, yeah. I'm sure they do. I'm also sure Apple can figure out how to fix that in their favor. I think that's fine.

The software I'm looking forward to is the stuff that's going to be associated with the Watch 5 Pro or the Series 8 Pro, whatever we're talking about, because if they're going to make it more rugged they need to do way more intense like hiking outdoors rugged fitness accommodations for that and i think they'll do it in hopefully cool ways kind of like what they did with the running on wwdc yeah okay here's my here's a fantasy question did you see that samsung made a watch five pro fantasy question. Did you see that Samsung made a Watch 5 Pro Golf Edition? Yes.

Did you notice that? Mm-hmm. If Apple were to make a special edition Watch 5 Pro, what activity would they dedicate it to? Do you want a boring answer or a fun answer? The most likely answer. Running. Just a running one? They just did all this running stuff at

because when you think of watch 5 pro and gps to me i think of a little more along the lines of like hiking uh biking that type of thing where you're going long distances you need gps i guess you could run long distances too i think think it needs to be something competitive. Competitive. Running can be competitive. Hiking. Biking. I don't think would be very competitive.

So golf. So, okay. Because the Samsung one, it made sense. I already, when I golf, I have an app on my watch. That's telling me my yardage for every hole. It crushes the battery life, but like I use it. It's fine. It's very accurate.

GPS, it's as good as any other gps app on my phone which is fine um golf is usually pretty competitive but you can sort of casually just get that information i mean yeah for sure so i guess any activity along those lines where it's like you can make it competitive but it doesn't have to be i feel like it could be any of those activities yeah i don't know i could also see apple way more going the route of sport specific limited bands just on top of on top of their things because what the the galaxy watch 5 pro or no galaxy watch 5 golf edition not the pro it's a pro is it i thought it was cheaper i thought it was 329 so that would be cheaper than the pro i think okay um so i think it's just a regular it i thought it was cheaper i thought it was 329 so that would be cheaper than the pro i think okay um so i think it's just a regular one and it basically is just a custom

watch custom watch faces and the golf app like unlimited subscription to it yeah so apple would probably do something if they were doing the pro model i don't know man like i think at that point if they were going to do something it would be some sponsored whatever so they would be like the official watch of the crossfit games or something like that to france or something crazy to france would be kind of nuts actually um i'm sure they're all probably using garments though i would bet if they're doing that stuff um that's that's what do you have what what would be your like wild out of the park my wild guess would be surfing you know how it feels like every apple watch like video has a bunch of sports

involving water like swimming that's a really good surfing they do they do yeah i don't know if it's because they want to tell us over and over again that it's waterproof or if they genuinely are like yeah we just love surfing i mean it's just because they want to tell us over and over again that it's waterproof or if they genuinely are like, yeah, we just love surfing. I mean, it's a California company. I think it also is just water looks cool on videos. Videos, yeah, absolutely. I could see that being, at least, I at least will not be shocked if we see a lot of surfing and water sports in the Watch Pro video promo.

Okay. I think that's pretty clear clear we'll see some of that what okay guess what will the activity be happening where they so they're inevitably going to do a shot that proves that it's more rugged right so it's gonna have to be like banging into something yeah are we gonna assume hiking or like rock climbing that's a good question i remember the shot where they introduced the new glass and it was like in this dust. It was like this red rock dust or whatever

and it like zoomed out and it was telling us about the durability of the Apple Watch. So this one, I think it's got to hit something probably. It's got to probably be, yeah, mountain biking. I think it's mountain biking. I'm going to go rock climbing. I think think they're gonna be biking through a bunch of mud and like hitting like against each other probably against another bike next to them like mud everywhere jerseys and stuff like that okay i'm gonna go with mountain biking cool i like it i think that's a good pick yeah uh but i do wish for a group

fitness challenges group fitness challenges is all we're really asking for. This whole segment was just built so that at the end we could say, come on. It seems so easy. They've already built every other thing in challenges. Like you close your rings. You can already view a list of your friends' rings. Why not just go select, select. Oh, wow, somebody's listening to me. Select, select, select.

Start a group challenge. Right now now everyone who accepts is in it starts tomorrow go that seems it seems so easy it seems like an ipad instagram app is so easy but also how long did it take for siri to be able to do two timers at a time that's very fair how long did it take to get a calculator on the ipad sorry we don't have that yet a weather app on the ipad It took a while. We'll see. Let's end this before we go to iPad. Before we go to Instagram iPad app.

Fair. All right, trivia questions. Mostly because I have, for once, I think I have guesses. I know they're wrong, but I have guesses this time. I do have guesses as well. Let's see if we're right. All right. Welcome back to Waveform Trivia. trivia all right let's do the mouse question

first that one was nice and fun let me look at that thing again yeah look get one more look at it i have a proposition for you guys so we could make sure that a point gets awarded here okay if neither of us get it on the dot can we do either closest or if one of us is like within one year? So you have like, let's, let's say for example, 1995, 94 and 96 would also count.

Why don't we do both? Why don't, if you, you have a, like one year before one year after range, and if neither of you get it, then we'll award the point to whoever's closest. Cool.

I like that. Pod quiz does the two, the two years. So shout whoever's closest. Okay, cool. I like that. PodQuiz does the two years. So shout out PodQuiz. We wanted to make this question, what does the third mouse button do? Are you going to tell us? Because I'm very intrigued.

The closest we could find was that it's user programmable, but we found not a lot of documentation. It's a Bixby button. That surprises me as an Apple product, but okay. No, it's Logitech. Sorry, Logitech. That actually makes a lot of documentation for this mouse. It's a big speed button. That surprises me as an Apple product, but okay. No, it's Logitech. Sorry, Logitech. That actually makes a lot of sense. Logitech, yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all, actually.

Okay, so what year is the question? Yeah, and your guesses are, oh, and it looks like you guys are tied, 6-6, so maybe, yeah. All right, I have mine. We can say it at three, or do you want me to go first? I'm still thinking out loud. I'm still thinking about, like, the Dynatac came in, like, 89, I think.

So this seems probably a little later. I'm going to go 90s. I'm going to go, let's go with 91. I was going to say 85. It's 82. I was going to say, I could tell it was closer because you had to do the math for a second. Exactly, yeah. But Andrew, as the closer

guess, you have been awarded a point bringing your total this season up to seven. Let's go. That probably sounded weird in the audio version. Sorry. That's go. That probably sounded weird in the audio version. Sorry. That's a great mouse. Yeah, dude.

I feel like computers have been around for a while. I'm dying to know. I almost would... I wanted to guess the middle button would be like if you clicked on a scroll wheel, which opens another tab usually, but they're definitely not opening multiple tabs back then. I don't even know if in 82 you had that UI

at all. It was just DOS. Like you didn't have UI in 82. Right? Were there GUIs in 82? We're young. What threw me off when I first saw it is that it's blue. Like I associate 80s computers with that taupey beige color. You know? Like I think of every single 80s computer. blue like i associate 80s computers with that taupey beige color you

know like i think of every single 80s maybe this is an 80s gaming mouse ms-dos version 1.0 was 1981 so these people are not doing much with the mouse no i'll tell you that logitech was still on their mice game in 1982 they began their mice game and this is their first product of course they still make the best mouse in 1982. They began their mice game, and this was their first product. Of course they still make the best mouse in the world. Yeah, right. Of course they do. Except we discovered today in Slack that about half the office are Magic Mouse diehards.

Yeah, but they're all wrong. And they will be fired by the end of the year, so unreal. All right, question number two. So we've all heard of booting a computer. Booting is actually short for? Do you want to go first? Sure. Since you know I'm ahead now.

Right, right, right, right, right, right. Boot. Boot loading is my guess. That was my guess also. But if there's a point, it's just a Marques. I was going to say, I think that's wrong though. Yeah. So we learned this

and it was so silly david and i spent about 30 to 45 minutes fact checking it and we can confirm booting is short for bootstrapping is it actually yep so you just so you just pull it up by its bootstraps then that's literally where it comes from because the idea is that it's the very first software operation a computer runs when it turns on. And so it's the thing that's pulling the rest of the computer up. So when it loads its operating system, the operating system is bootstrapping the whole computer. Those are the only two words I know that start with boot. Period. I don't know any others. And both picked one so yeah points that's disappointing but that's also a hilarious fact that's pretty funny yeah yeah all right appreciate trivia again oh

do you have something else i don't know i was just gonna say the score is now marquez six andrew seven zero points this week is a bummer we should have some like welcome to my life yeah we should have some like next week wow next week we'll see we've got maybe a unique situation but we'll have some trivia we yeah i mean just for the listeners we're recording out in california next week so things might sound a little different look a little different um i do think we are planning on adam and ellis to record trivia questions so we can listen to them and still do trivia. So we are going to try not to skip it despite being out there. But yeah, busy week next week.

Busy week. Stay tuned. Of course, thanks for watching and listening this week. And we'll see y'all and hear y'all very shortly. Peace. Peace. This episode of Waveform is produced by Adam Alita and Ellis Roven. We are part of the Vox Media Podcast Network,

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