Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Dodge Charger EV Sounds Fake 👎

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

This week Marques, Andrew, and David talked about the rumored Apple software redesign, Pixel 10 leaks, and the Charger EV that Marques just reviewed on Autofocus. To close it out they played a game called "Who Said That!?" where the hosts try to guess which brand posted engagement bait to Threads. Of course, we wrap it all up with trivia. Enjoy! Links: Google - Chrome extension statement Autofocus - Dodge Charger Daytona review Android Headlines - Pixel 10 Leaks Bloomberg - Apple redesign MKBHD - MacBook Air review Music provided by Epidemic Sound  Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And there aren't any good convincing reasons to buy it. Oh. In my opinion. What is up people of the internet. Welcome back to another regularly scheduled episode of the waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. So I another regularly scheduled episode of the Wayform Podcast. We're your hosts, I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David.

So I say regularly scheduled because last episode was a bonus episode, our first ever live version of the show from South by Southwest on stage with a bunch of you guys in the audience. A good amount of you actually showed up, thank you. Thank you, thank you. For those who were actually there, it was a good time. How many people, like 3000, 4000?

I would estimate. 250,000. A good quarter million, I was gonna say, a quarter million people were there. You know like the Erez tour, like picture that. But bigger. At 10 a.m. on a Saturday, it was good. 250.

Yeah, 200 something people. Which is cool. We got to have like a sort of a live trivia version of asking ourselves questions about the audience and we had answers from the audience, so that was fun. We also talked about Digg trying to make a comeback. We talked about Apple Intelligence being delayed and some other stuff as well.

So if you wanna watch that, it's in the audio feed, the videos on the YouTube channel. We've got like our mics that we're like holding and talking to. A lot of people said you sounded way different because you were using a different mic. You know, there's something about this mic that I like the way my voice sounds in this microphone.

And even, let me switch to your mic real quick. Oh, God. See how different I sound? No. It doesn't sound right at all, right? Wait. Yeah. Oh, we sound more similar in the same mic than we do.

Exactly, yeah. So I stick to this mic, but yeah, I agree. I sound different. There's also like reverb, because it's an enormous empty, not empty, but an empty room. It's a new room. It's a new room. But no, it was a good time.

Go check that one out. But believe it or not, we do have some more stuff to talk about, because some more news has happened since then. Also, very quick update to the Apple intelligence story that I just wanted to bring up real quick. Apple has pulled one of their commercials that features the Apple intelligence

like deep Siri integration thing. Because people were basically saying that it was misinformation at this point. And then they also added a bunch of disclaimers around their website, like on the iPhone 16 pages about what it can do and when it's coming. Now it says, Siri's personal context understanding,

on-screen awareness and in-app actions are in development and will be available with a future software update. So the thing that was built from the ground up for Siri AI that was coming in a future update will now be in a more future version update. Yeah. That's where we're at. Apple intelligence. God, be in a more future version update. Yeah. That's where we're at. Apple intelligence.

God, that's a lot of fine print. If you go to the bottom of the iPhone website, look how much fine print there is. Oh, it's always like that. Oh yeah. The polishing cloth has fine print like that. My gosh. Okay, so yeah, all of that is happening.

There are also, I guess we'll get to it later, but there are some rumors about an iOS overhaul. So we'll talk about that. Mm-hmm, That's in here. But yeah, okay, we've got some topics here. Do we want to jump right into OnePlus evolving the alert slider into a button? We can. I think you jumped into it already.

Yeah. So I have been a fan of the alert slider forever. Remember the OnePlus One came out and the alert slider was a innovative new feature? It's been on OnePlus phones, mostly on all of their phones, minus like a tiny gap, since then. And it's a great feature and I think a lot of people like it. And there's some talk that they are killing the alert slider and turning it into a button.

Yes. Possibly just a customizable button that can do what the alert slider did, but could also be customized to do other things. Where have I heard that before? Kind of seems like a similar to maybe like an action button on a certain iPhone. Yes. This is one of those decisions that

when you look at the numbers, makes perfect sense, but when you look at the fans, doesn't seem to make any sense, because the fans are like, no, I love the alert slider, and I love the alert slider, but. Well, at least it's not them just taking it away, right? The default on the action button on the iPhone

is the alert slider function. Basically, yeah. And you can still do it in your pocket, you know, without looking at your phone. But I liked it. The like, you can tell where it is though, right? Cause like, and there's three clicks, correct? In the OnePlus?

Yeah, yeah. So you would have to, I'm assuming, if it was the same function, you would Cause like there, and there's three clicks, correct? In the OnePlus. Yeah, so you would have to, I'm assuming if it was the same function, you would be like click, click, click. But this, you can be like, I'm all the way down. I'm all the way up. You can feel it in your pocket. True, but the action button is awesome.

Okay. I don't disagree with you. I feel like it's a good trade off. I know someone who would disagree and I find it funny this is happening. So one of our friends, Bo, just texted me last week, like, hey, you didn't do a review on the OnePlus 13R, like, can you let me know how it is?

And I said, oh, what about this and this? Like, I have an extra pixel if you just want that. And he's like, I really like the alert slider. And that's like a non-negotiable for me. So then this coming out within the week of him saying that. So. See OnePlus, it's a real person. The alert slider is pretty OP.

Yeah, it was funny that they got rid of the alert slider a couple generations ago. People freaked out. That was like a proper scandal. I remember that. And then they brought it back and made a big deal about bringing it back. And they're like, how about a compromise?

Yeah. So I think the action button is great. And Pete Lau went on the One plus forums and said we are evolving The alert slider into something he did a lot of fancy dancing words saying imagine it evolved around you You know, yeah, I'm sure Apple evolved the headphone jack years ago By just not cutting the hole So yeah, I think it's I I'm on team, action button, some other people may disagree with me.

I'm with you on that. I could be suede, I'm suede. I was suede instantly, I folded under. I could be suede, okay, I'm suede. The funny thing is that in Pete Lau's post on the OnePlus forums, the way he was talking about the button made it sound exactly like one, like nothing talked about the

Space button that they added the private space or whatever they called it. What do they call it again? Essentials essential essential space button. Yeah, he talked about it like in the exact same way So I thought it was gonna have the exact same functionality But then the way he described it afterwards, it just sounds like an action button, which is cool I mean, I love having customizable buttons and switches on devices, so. Same, it's a good idea. It's an AI alert slider.

Yeah. Yeah. Cool, next up we have a new Chrome update, specifically one that is fixing affiliate swapping in extensions on Chrome. So I'm sure we all remember Honey. I think we covered it on this pod and you made a video about it.

But Chrome is making an update to their browser extensions. Policy. Policy, thank you. And so this is what they wrote. They said, affiliate links, codes or cookies must only be included when the extension provides a direction transparent user benefit related to the extensions core functionality.

It is not permitted to inject affiliate links without related user action, without providing a tangible benefit to users. I almost could read there for a second. So then it's just like some common violations include inserting affiliate links when no discount cashback or donation is provided. But this is definitely a direct shot to Honey.

Yeah, this is their entire business model. And PayPal paid a lot of money for them. I'm sure that they made that back off of stealing people's affiliate links. But yeah, I don't really know what Honey is gonna do from here on out because saving people money and not making that money back is not gonna be a good business model for them.

Right. They'll probably just evolve. We need the other browsers to do this. So Chrome is one of the most popular, but there's still Safari where someone could do this. They're still, I mean, I doubt many Firefox users are using Honey or Solo anyways. But yeah, Safari, Internet Explorer are still like defaults.

Wait, is it Edge? Edge. Sorry. Showing our age. They're still like the defaults. So if they're still doing it, I'm sure Honey will still be making plenty of money. That's true. So hopefully they do. Yeah. All right we

reviewed a certain car recently. Were you here for that? I was here for the delivery right? I saw it. I saw it temporarily. Okay. And I looked inside in person. I have heard it because I've heard miles. Okay great. Doing it. So, I just wanted to bring up the car and get you guys takes on it because I had a pretty straightforward take. I drove it for a week. It is a Dodge Charger. Cool, there's a bunch of different Dodge Chargers.

This is the electric version of the Dodge Charger. And there aren't any good convincing reasons to buy it. Oh. In my opinion. Okay. Zero. there aren't any good convincing reasons to buy it. In my opinion. Okay. Zero. Driving it like I could tell what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be fun.

It's a charger. All the rest of the chargers are supposed to be fun too. Interesting. But as you go down the list, you're like, all right, what is the real like king thing that it's amazing at? Is it performance? Is it that? Okay, maybe you could argue that.

It's the quickest charger ever. It's zero to 60 in 3.3 seconds. It's 600 plus horsepower all wheel drive. So it's the fastest launching charger. But you know, a quarter mile is like 11 and a half seconds. If you really just care about that in an EV, there are plenty of EVs that are faster. Like I brought up a couple examples in the video,

Model 3 Performance, walks it. EV6 GT, it's faster. If you really care about that for the same price, which was $80,000 for the version I tested, you could get a used Plaid. So the reason you wouldn't, the reason you'd buy it can't just be straight line speed. Okay, so what other reasons are there?

It's a charger. It's a charger. And the people who want to buy the charger want the charger. I feel like it's such a specific product. Yeah. I just realized how good the name is for an EV. For an EV, yeah, missed opportunity there.

They could have done something with that. Oh, shoot. They could have called it the supercharger. That also is, though, a- Or the fast charger. A car thing. Yeah. Hypercharger. That also is though a car thing. Yeah, hypercharger. It won't be a track car because it weighs 6,000 pounds

and it's not good at that. So there's that. It won't be a road tripper because it only has 240 miles of range and only charges at 183 kilowatts. It won't be a charger because it doesn't have an engine, and it does have that loud speaker on the back, and don't get me wrong, it is loud.

It's very loud. It's louder than Micah. It's a very loud speaker system, 126 decibels. It makes all sorts of noises. It rumbles the actual car as you're sitting in it, and you can feel it when you rev. And yes, you can rev. Interesting. But it doesn't sound as good as the gas version, number one.

And it also gets annoying because it's, it just kind of has this droning because it doesn't like shift gears. So you know how if you like, you know CVT, you'll like get up to speed and just kind of stays at the same. Like if you drove a regular gas car and you just shifted to second gear

and never got out of second gear, that's what it sounds like to drive this car around. So it's kind of just, mm, mm, mm. And so it's loud, yes, if that's what you're into, but unlike maybe the IONIQ 5, which could let you play with the gears or whatever, you can't do that with this car. So it's just, it's not a good charger,

it's not a good road tripper, it's not a good track car, it's not a good straight line car, what is it? Can I have a, ask a question? Yeah. The sound, does it like, go with like the speed you're going? Does that, or is it just the same like, high power revving sound all of the time?

I'll give you a couple notes about the sound. Or is it just the same like high power revving sound all the time? I'll give you a couple notes about the sound. Interestingly, it seems to be coordinated directly to how many G's you're experiencing. So it's quiet when you're not accelerating, but when you're braking or accelerating it gets louder. And like a little more high pitched. So as you drive, maybe pulling up to a stoplight, you'd hear it go, mmm. And then as you pull off from the stoplight, mmm. And then you get up to speed and it's just, mmm. And it's just that, droning. You can't turn that off?

So you can turn it off. Oh, okay, okay. I turned it off. Oh, okay. Because I just got annoyed by it. It's louder in track mode than like regular mode, so you can like dial it up or down, but I just wanted to turn it off.'s louder in track mode than regular mode, so you can dial it up or down, but I just wanted to turn it off.

And then the other note about the sound is, I feel like I could actually hear the MP3 looping. Well, because it's just a constant drone the entire time. It's just a constant drone, and if you are at the same pitch for a while, you could hear, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, and I could hear that, and I was like, as soon as I heard that, I was like,

I have to turn this off. Yeah, and I noticed that, and as soon as I noticed it, I was like, as soon as I heard that I was like, I have to turn this off. Yeah. And I noticed that. And as soon as I noticed it, I was like, let me find how to turn this off because it's really annoying. Unacceptable in 2025. Yeah. I'm also very curious for who the target demographic

for this car is. Well, the argument is there is, it misses all of the targets. Okay. Yeah. Because if you're dodging or trying to make a charger, you're trying to sell an EV to them, then the target demographic is someone who wants a charger but wants an electric car.

Right away, that Venn diagram has almost no overlap. And you got this huge speaker system on the back, so it's a muscle car, it's loud. You're trying to sell a car to people who want a loud muscle car, but want an electric car? Like who is that? And they have 80 grand to spend on it.

I just, yeah, I didn't really see who that is. So here's where I landed. Okay. Daily commuter, comfortable cruiser. It can do that. It's very comfortable. It's soft, it rides well, it has a ton of space. It's a hatchback, so it has a big trunk.

It also has a front trunk, but it's tiny, whatever, it doesn't matter. But like lots of legroom lots of headroom lots of visibility It's this huge two-door which is kind of hilarious But whatever like there's tons of space and you ride along in soft mode turn the sound off and it's just chill How much is this car? This car starts at about 50 50 grand and goes up to, I think the one I tested is $86,000. So $86,000 for a comfy commuter car. Nice, comfortable car.

There are a lot of people who buy those like base chargers, base challengers or whatever, like that are pretty cheap and don't have all the big like benefits of like a muscle car. They just look like a muscle car that you can drive to the grocery store with. And this one looks like a muscle car. Yeah, it looks good. I think it looks really nice. You can fit so many groceries in this car. Does it have a frunk?

A tiny frunk. I can fit a backpack in the frunk. It's weird because it's an enormous car and the front trunk is like small. What are they doing with all the space? So they use the same chassis and same design for the gas and electric charger. So it's not a ground up EV where they would have

all this extra space. Like there's still a tunnel going between the driver and passenger seat. There's nothing in there. In the gas version there is, but in the electric version it just has a tunnel there. So yeah, there's just a lot of missing space. Interesting.

Yeah. Okay. I have two really quick thoughts. One is I think supposed to be fun would have been a great title for your album. That was my alternate title. Okay, that would have been really good. This looks like it's doing well. My second thought is we all ragged on the Mustang Mach-E

when it first came out, because we're like, why would you call this Mustang? You all ragged on it. Hold on, hold on. You all ragged on it. We ragged on the fact that it was a out, because we're like, why would you call this Mustang? You all ragged on it. Hold on, hold on. You all ragged on it. We ragged on the fact that it was a Mustang, right? Like they launched it as a Mustang EV, but it was really like this Ford crossover.

And even though I still think it didn't make much sense, seeing this now of like, here's the actual muscle car that's an EV and realizing that none of the muscle car people really want an EV, Maybe that was the better decision. I still think it's weird they went with a Mustang, but OK, the Mach-E is great. And it's still doing. Hear me out. And maybe maybe muscle car is different from like a different kind of nice car. I imagine they may you know that what was the Porsche, the guy that takes

the old Porsche bodies and retrofits them into sacrilege motors car. Yeah, I And many other people would 100% buy that car. I think that's but that's probably not consider muscle car, right? No Yeah, yeah, I agree the muscle car demographic probably does not have overlap with the EV demographic But I agree the like old- old school classic car demographic definitely does. Right. Okay, question for you. What if they had nailed the sound of this car through the speaker instead of hearing the loop

and all that and we heard a charger the other day and you were like, see that's what a charger is supposed to sound like. What if they had nailed that part of it? Do you think that should be better? You know how on the Sigma camera and also on the MacBook, you didn't know that there was no actual button and that it just happened?

It's so convincing. It's so convincing that until someone tells you, you have no idea, what if it was, it felt and sounded identical? Sure, let me give you that. Let's say there's a theoretical world where the sound is so incredible that it actually matches the gas car,

it would still not be good at any of the other things that it was supposed to be good at, which is it can't, it's not as quick in a straight line as all the other competitive EVs that are good at that. It's not a lot of range. And here's the funny thing about those motors. So it's a 335 horsepower rear motor and a 335 horsepower front motor.

If I can get into leads for a second, that's a little bit unusual. Typically you have a more powerful rear motor because when you accelerate, all of the weight goes backwards and onto the rear axle. So you want a more powerful rear axle. That's your limiting factor. The very powerful front motor almost never gets saturated.

So in this car, it's evenly split between the two and you have a 6,000 pound car and sticky tires and it actually is so heavy and so weak at the rear axle that it cannot do a standing burnout. It's not capable of it. For those who know chargers, that's the whole thing. Like you want to be able to just do a burnout. That's the rear wheel drive cars as they light up the tires,

they spin or whatever. This car is so heavy and so weak at the rear axle that it can't do that. So it doesn't do the charger thing, even though it makes a cool noise. It doesn't do the road trip thing. It doesn't do the straight line thing. It doesn't do the track thing.

So it would still not be a good car, but it would sound great and that would be a cool accomplishment. And you know, I think to some people, this car sounds cool, but yeah. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, in my opinion. Can I go on a quick rant that I've already gone on like 10 times that this car proves it. 30% vote.

What? Oh. Yes, 30% of people at South by Southwest, at our panel at South by Southwest voted that I had the worst takes on waveforms. So here's another one, baby. No, this also goes back to the Ionic 5N and it's like you can make a car that tries to sound like a gas engine and like has the rumble and like all these things.

But I just feel like it'd be so much better to make something that is firmly itself. And like lives in its own lane and makes a sound that is its own. And the 5N got like close, but I feel like those sounds were like kind of corny, especially the like the backfire sound was so bad. And like.

And I think when they are trying to emulate an existing thing, you're gonna fail. Yeah, and there's good examples of companies doing this. Like the OG Tesla backup sound, I thought, was a really brilliantly designed sound. Sort of like, yeah, the sort of like soft hum. I thought that was really great. The BMW, that seven series hybrid

that Hans Zimmer did all the sounds for, I thought that sounds really great. And then there's a, like, when we were doing the Cybertruck video, you know, I, both Cybertruck videos, I had mics all over the motors and that thing, like deep inside the car. And the sounds we got out of it were like, not that interesting.

Right. And so we, we spruced them up in the video when we made the car sound really cool. And no one was like, wow, Ellis, like you totally lied to me. They were like, that sounds really cool and fun. And I think that the best example of this and have to, I know I brought this up a million times. There's a Ford concept car from like five years ago called the Mach E 1400. It's like the supercharged version.

And it sounds like the coolest car ever. And I know it didn't sound like that in person, but it's like, that's what we should be striving for. In my opinion, it's something like, if you want to make a car sound like it rips, just make it sound like it rips. Like, I think we're in this weird era still where if you're trying to sell electric cars to people it's almost everyone's first electric car and so

they need to build things in that are familiar to gas car users yeah and there are a lot of vestigial features that are just just for that person and I do we we got to get a couple generations in do we were someone who's never driven a gas car drives their first car and it's electric and they don't care that it doesn't have a sound so I I will say the Porsche Taycan turbo GT I've watched all the reviews of that car way less sound deadening in that car remak nevera another one you just hear the the motors. And it's just a electrical motor sound and that's all you need.

And it doesn't have to make a fake sound and that is the sound of an electric car and that's fine. Think about how breathtaking a driving experience would be. And also yes, auto companies, if you wanna hire me, I will make your sounds, just get on the line. But think about how breathtaking it would be for someone who has experience with performance gasoline cars, right?

They're on a mile drag strip, like a long drag strip. They get the car up to full speed. And instead of the car making some loud noise to be like, you're going fast, the car goes dead silent. Like picture how that would feel as the driver. Like you hear the motors spinning up and getting louder and louder, and then you hit 160, 170, and all of a sudden,

like that would be such a unique sonic experience, that would be unique to that car. And I think would really wow people who are gas familiar. I don't know, just call me, pay me, I'll take a cool mill for this, and everyone will be talking about it, and we'll call it a day. I think that was a great take, Ellis.

I watch a lot of, I watch a lot of car reviews from automotive journalists who drive a lot of gas cars and The number one word that they use when driving an electric sports car that they say it's missing is emotion and I find that really interesting But like but putting the sound of a gas cart and electric cars just like putting that meme with the mask I think I'm a crying face. Yeah, it's like it's not emotion But putting the sound of a gas car in an electric car is just like putting that meme with the mask

on top of the crying face. It's not emotion, you're stealing it from something else already, given its own characteristics. I think gas cars, they started up with this technology of an internal combustion engine and it was great and they happened to make noise. And so the sports cars would lean in

and embrace that noise because it was just a part of the mechanical, emotional feeling of like going through driving a car. I think electric cars in the future eventually should just lean into the thing that makes them better than gas cars which is they have more torque, they have they are quieter, like they can do faster acceleration, they have all these things that are inherently superior to they warm up quicker, they have all these things that are inherently superior, they warm up quicker. They have all these things that are better and they should just lean into that.

And I get that there's a couple of things like creep or regen or little noises and things that make gas users more comfortable, or lack of regen I guess I should say. But yeah, for now, almost every new electric car is somebody's first electric car. And you're so right, those are things that could be orally communicated to a driver.

Why do cars not have a regen sound? Why can you not hear the traction control adjusting the power of the motor on each wheel and get directional feedback from that? There's all these things that are unique to electric cars, and these sound designers are just like, nah bro, make the steering wheel vibrate. That's what people want, baby.

Yeah, like when you're doing one pedal driving and you let go of the accelerator and it starts spinning on the regen, it should be like, woo. There are so many. There's a lot of stuff you could do. And that's the emotion that these, look, I'm not like a gas car guy.

I'm not gonna call them a mean name, but that's the emotion that these people are talking about. not like a gas car guy, I'm not gonna call them a mean name, but that's the emotion that these people are talking about. You know what I mean? They're talking about the feedback they're getting from the machine. There are things in electric car that you should be getting feedback about, not on an iPad, that you can get with your ears.

Anyway, I'm very upset about this, I've been upset about it for years. You should lean into the things that that technology is doing. There's this video that got passed around last week called why young people like old things Yeah, and it's this very young kids and he makes some very good points about Basically, it all comes down to your senses and the fact that like when you're just tapping an iPad There's just there's no sort of sensory input into anything that you're doing. And that object has replaced all of these things

that used multiple different parts of your senses to sort of give you that experience. And so when you're driving an electric car that is taking away a lot of those senses because it doesn't do the rumble, it doesn't do all these old gas things, they should just lean into the things that the car is actually doing

to bring those senses back. Here's a really specific example. We did the driving the Model 3 on a track, remember a couple of years ago? Yeah. When you're driving an electric car on a track, you can hear when each tire is like starting to break traction. Where in a gas car, you can feel it, but you only hear the engine. But in an electric car, as you're going around like a cone course on a track,

you hear exactly when you start to slide versus just kinda trying to feel. And the car knows which tires have traction, how much traction do, they could build that into the sound engine. Car companies, hire me, please, I can help you. Software, software. My dad, this is the last thing, and then we'll leave sound, but sound guy, you don't get the opportunity that much to talk about stuff like software. My dad, this is the last thing and then we'll leave sound,

but sound guy, don't get the opportunity that much to talk about stuff like this. My dad also a sound guy. When the first wave of electric cars were being sold, him and a bunch of his sound guide friends were getting lunch together and someone asked the table, now that we can make a car sound like literally anything, what should we use?

What should we do? As the engine sound and the sound that the group came up with as like what all cars could sound like is. I'm so sorry for everyone who had to hear that. Cause picture an entire freeway of like. No, I refuse to picture that. That could work. Well, okay, let's take a quick break.

We'll come back. We got some more software to talk about. We got many more things that have popped up in the news. So we will be right back, which means we should do trivia. He didn't even do the wait. Adam is the one that did the delay there. I should have waited longer. The hesitatee becomes the hesitator.

Okay, I wanted to ask this question for a little bit, but we've had better questions, and now I think it's this question's time to shine. So guys. Time to pull out the bad question. No, this is exactly what he just said. That is not what I was trying to say. It's good question or like fantastic question.

And I, okay, whatever, whatever. Diggin' yourself into a hole. All right hole all right all right guys diggin anyway continue that I do my mic was on when you said that digging and burying are the opposite you don't bury for buried treasure okay I kind of I kind of realized that a

little bit later but I didn't want to bring it back up no you know you shouldn't anyway guys multiple choice question okay what is the name of Oh yeah, you shouldn't. Anyway, guys, multiple choice question. Okay. What is the name of Xiaomi's AI assistant? Xiaomi's AI assistant. And I have four choices for you. The first one.

That was optional. The modern. A, as they call it. A. Xiao AI. Oh. B. Oh, by the way, sorry.

All of these, I'm giving the English translation of like the Chinese word. Xiao AI. Oh. B. Oh, by the way, sorry. All of these, I'm giving the English translation of like the Chinese word. Xiao AI. So, Zhao AI. B, squiggly. C, God King Jun. Jun being Chinese name that means like handsome. God King handsome.

Or. That's my nickname in high school. And this is not a joke. SU7. And the assistant is an anthropomorphic version of the Xiaomi EV, the SU7, a la cars, like with eyes and tongue and stuff. That would be amazing.

I'm so worried it's that one. It's definitely God King Handsome. God King Handsome. I want to remember the Chinese word, but I'm probably not going to. So. We'll think about this one. God-grooming handsome. I want to remember the Chinese word, but I'm probably not going to. So... Hm. Hm.

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it seems like there's going to be the biggest overhaul since iOS 7 is what they're saying, and it's gonna be much inspired by Vision OS. So a lot of that, like when you open up Vision OS, or if you watched the video of Vision OS, very glassy, a lot of transparency. I'm on the fence about it. I'm trying to picture iOS looking like that.

And I get that you want it to be consistent and everything, but it's also technically skeuomorphism. Can I take it a step further? This is not just iOS, this is iPadOS, MacOS, and iOS. Yeah, they said, Mark Gurman said it's the biggest change to Mac since Big Sur, which is in 2020. And then like you said, iOS since iOS 7. It would make sense if you are Apple

and you're doubling down on Vision OS really is our future and really is something we believe in. So everything's gonna look like that. I get that part. I'm just trying to picture, I'm not a designer clearly. I'm trying to picture what that actually looks like. I don't know if you guys have thoughts on how the visual effects looks currently.

It's interesting because they just went through a bunch of like, we're adding dark mode now, and so you have to like make a dark mode icon. And so clearly they don't want to do a bunch more work to actually change the look of the icons again. So it's more going to be the UI elements. So the idea of the existing icons sitting on top of that glassy UI element is kind of interesting,

but in the Vision Pro, they have that working already, I guess, so I could see it. I mean, I think people adapt to things faster than people generally think they adapt to things. They adapt to it quickly, but they love to complain about adapting to it immediately. They complain for like a month and then they get over it., but they love to complain about that into it immediately. They complain for like a month and then they get over it. And I'm one of them.

I totally understand where they're coming from. Yes, yes. Do you guys like the way Vision OS looks visually? Yeah. Like it's got some floating elements outside the window. So there's these glassy windows with sort of like a frosted glass type of look. So that the, whatever's behind them is like frosted out.

And then there are hovering elements outside of it like the X or the bar to drag and move around the window. Every icon is a circle also I believe on the home screen. Things layer on top of each other a lot so the glass kind of stacks. It's definitely an appropriate look for UI in a physical space, because there's often gonna be like surfaces and textures and things like that

behind the glass that you still want to be aware of. So it makes sense to have that in a physical space. But the iPhone or the Mac never to me felt like it had to do that. So I get consistency, but I just don't, I don't know if I can picture it. Yeah, I guess usually these companies want to get you used to the primary interaction mode,

like the object that you use the most, and then everything sort of percolates from that. And it's definitely looking very far into the future to say Vision OS and Vision-like interaction with the computer is what you need to get used to right now because Vision OS or Vision Pro sales are not doing very well. and vision-like interaction with the computer is what you need to get used to right now, because vision OS or vision pro sales are not doing very well.

And I think it's gonna be quite a while before we transition to using these kind of headsets more often. Yeah, Mark Gurman said that the push is like part of them trying to simplify how users use their devices. So I guess like, if you think about it, vision OS probably is the simplest way to use something because you have less intuitive controls.

They needed to make it as simple as possible. I agree with you though, moving everything to be into their least popular, least in the hands of people product feels weird, but I guess they had to spend so much time creating the UI. And I think it's a little further than just the icons. There are a lot of circular, glassy, we're very rounded edges on a lot of different things

inside of the menu systems and playing songs and settings and messages and everything. So maybe it's just slightly going a little more towards that. They also might think that if they can get users used to the UI right now on a thing that they use all the time, when they eventually buy some sort of vision OS type device, whatever that ends up being, it'll be more naturally intuitive to them because the UI has looked the same. You know, it's kind of like the how the Apple watch like uses very similar similar icons to the iPhone and the menus are similar.

And it's got some design and style, but it's still intuitive because you know how to use the iPhone. Yeah, I think it's also kind of interesting though, is the claim to this, and obviously this is a rumor, but German's pretty spot on a lot of the time. Trying to make everything so similar when just at one of the questions you answered

at the South by show was somebody asking if touchscreens would go on Macs and like there's a very distinct difference between how the iPad and the Mac work. So we're trying to make things more similar but Apple also needs to make things not too similar so they don't cannibalize each other's products. Where do we draw the line?

Are we just talking UI here? It's funny doing that. How are they not gonna cannibalize other things? Yeah, so Vision OS is still gonna have to be their only, I'm doing air quotes for audio listeners, spatial operating system. Like things are going to be in front of and behind and you move them around in forward and backward in space.

Vision OS is the only place that that will still happen. So I guess that distinguishes Vision OS from the other things, and then the other things are still gonna be glossy and transparent and glassy and things like that. Technically, again, skeinmorphism, I think I'm using that word correctly, but they won't have the X, Y, and Z axis

all at the same time. Yeah. All I'm saying is like, I miss the days of Android releases where every single one looked completely different. Yeah, it was like, hollow. And we just got like, weird, wacky, wild stuff. Yeah, hollow. It was fun.

And gingerbread, or yeah, cat or gingerbread, gingerbread was the best. It was just amazing. That's a crazy sentence. I'm looking forward to this because I feel like Apple has not had something kind of like how material design is on Google where it's like layers of things.

And the whole point of that when they were building that out was to like mimic physical things that you're touching. So I could see how you said Marquesa, this is supposed to be like for vision OS with like, it makes a lot of sense to have glassy things, but we touch glass all the time. So I don't think that would be that weird on our phones.

I think I'll touch glass. Touch glass. Okay, we just finished talking about how electric cars have way less tactile feel and people are used to having and miss real tactile, like typing on an iPad versus typing on a mechanical keyboard, that type of difference. I don't know, does skew morphism on a glass screen where things are starting to represent real textures and materials again, does that feel backwards or forward?

But the texture is glass. Like when it's mimicking like a frosted glass and then you're touching things on your screen that is also glass? Yeah, okay, that's fair. Are we picturing like the Finder window being like that, like a bit more see-through with all of you? Because I kind of like that idea.

The sidebar is opaque right now. Imagine that, like the stuff around the UI is now all suddenly glass. I think the reason I would like that is because a lot of Apple monitors are, like the Pro Display XDR is just a big monitor. So I don't use double, I just use a lot of different window sizes

kind of all over the place. So having Finder windows that are more transparent and being able to kind of see what's directly under it without, while still being able to recognize, you know, the icons that are inside the and being able to kind of see what's directly under it while still being able to recognize the icons that are inside the Finder window. I think that sounds kind of nice. There is, forgive me if someone already said this, there is a lot of transparency already in Mac OS.

Yeah. When you open a new tab in Safari, for example, that's like a opaque, not that anyone here used. Safari, yeah. Even Finder. And the notification on the control center, that pop down, kind of looks like an iOS. And we were talking about this when it got updated,

we were like, oh wow, they're adding a bunch of very iOS-y elements to Mac OS. And I guess we just got used to them. They just need to make the YouTube app look like the old little TV again. That's all I'm saying and the other the leather Yeah, the leather Instagram and icon. Yeah Whether we need more leather. I agree. Yeah, it's if it's pure aesthetics. I feel like you can just just do whatever you want

Yeah, and this is the one they've chosen and there are some apps that we've like really abstracted like the old photo app used to be a sunflower, a picture of a sunflower. It was. And now it's that pinwheel that is supposed to sort of be a flower, but it's just been abstracted into this generic pinwheel that also Slack uses and also Google Photos uses

and also a million other apps use. So yeah, I don't know. I'm all for things looking like they look in real life. I'm super down I just want to say if you want a preview of this There's a thing called hyper land on Arch Linux by the way And it is arch by the way use arch by the way and it is very like everything is transparent And see I mean you could customize it to not be that but everything that I see on like r slash unix porn Which is a amazing thing. Yeah, I know crazy. Can you say that?

What yeah on the podcast? Yeah r slash unix porn. That's an amazing thing. Yeah, I know, crazy. Can you say that? What? Yeah. On the podcast? Yeah, R slash Unix porn. That's the- Maybe say it one time. Maybe I should say it one more time. So yeah, in that community, a lot of people customize their setups

to look very transparent and glassy. So that's a good little preview if you wanna see what Mac OS could look like. Interesting. Interesting. I'm just excited for an overhaul because we just did the world's most boring MacBook Air review ever It's just like things aren't changing at all and I will be excited to see something different They whispered blue into the box before close that I did not realize that you had that in the script and I was watching The video and I like LOL

The most exciting part that was that someone bled on the box that The most exciting part that was that someone bled on the box that they sent. Did you put it in the video? Yeah. Yes. It's weird. Yeah. Like the top 10 comments are about it. I guess I'll just mention, yeah, the bleeding edge comments are funny.

Bleeding edge. I reviewed the MacBook Air, the M4 MacBook Air. Long story short, they put an M4 chip in it. And it's cheaper. Is there a long story? Yeah. No, I mean, the long story is they put an M4 chip in it, it has more AI cores, it does certain things better than the M3 version.

It had blood on the box. It has, wait, I didn't get there yet. It has a slightly different mute icon with a little cross through. Oh, true, true. Which I think they'll probably update all the MacBooks slowly to have that new mute icon. It has a slightly new light blue color, it's sky blue,

it looks a little more blue when it's up against white surfaces, a little looks a little more blue when it's up against white surfaces. It looks a lot less blue when it's up against actually blue surfaces. What else? They have a new 12 megapixel ultra wide center stage webcam. Cool. That's a long story.

And then also somebody bled on the box. Don't know who, don't know when, don't know how. If I buy one, will it also come with a box I hope not special editions kind of weird product product read and the AI Yeah, we don't know what the story is that's funny did Apple say anything to you about that Um, I mean I told them about it and they offered to send me a new one. And I was just like, I have the laptop, it's fine. I don't need another one.

I just wanna let you know someone is dying packaging your products. Yeah, so that's kind of it. That's fun. Yeah, go watch the video if you want the long story. Yeah. It's not much longer than that. Yeah.

Did you see? Hold on to your seats everyone? There is a pixel 10 leak Never could have guessed where it gets earlier every Pixel 9a is not every even out yet This is a small leak, but I think a cool one. We could patch it pretty easily Yeah, we could hopefully, if any of us know how to patch leaks, but I don't think we do.

Google certainly doesn't know how to patch it. Google does not. They've been waiting for the plumber to come for like 15 years. Oh wow. So OnLeaks did his first CAD rendering of what he knows. And because it's CAD and only hardware, and that's all we know,

the most interesting thing, it looks like we're getting a third camera on the Pixel 10 base model. Let's go. And it looks like a periscope. Let's go. It's very interesting. Yeah.

Because we've talked about Pixel 9a rumors and how that's supposed to be like a pretty basic looking, boring phone, flat camera bump, that type of thing. And I don't know if you remember Pixel 8a, but my whole question around Pixel 8a was, wait, why would you get this if you can already get a Pixel 8 on discount and it's a better phone and it's almost the same price?

So I feel like I'm watching Google separate the 9a and the 10 a little bit more so that they make sense at different prices. Which is ironic because last year they released a ton of different Pixel 9 SKUs. Cause there was the Pixel 9 Pro, Pixel 9 Pro XL, Pixel 9 Pro Fold. Oh, I forgot about that.

Yeah, so how do we know by the way that the small one is not just a Pixel 9 Pro. That's a very good point. That's on leaks as saying. Isn't that what makes the Pro? Is the extra camera and slightly better screen or something? Pretty much. So is there not, so maybe this,

I mean, I didn't see the rumor, but is it not Pixel 10? Maybe it's just Pixel 10 Pro? The headline seems to believe it's the regular Pixel 10 that's getting a third camera, which would be interesting. But we also had the Pro that was the same size as the regular phone last year with the nine. So yeah, TBD. I mean, the rumor is that the base is getting it.

So maybe the fact that it looks like a Pro is just because it's a base with an extra camera. But I am curious what's going to differentiate the regular one from the Pro at that point besides slightly better screen. They should all have the thing that I'm most excited for in Pixel 10, which is Tensor G5. That's true.

That's all I care about with the Pixel 5. We've been talking about Tensor G5 for like three years and it's finally coming. The DSMC, yeah, I, this is, I can't wait. I really hope it is what we're hoping it is, which is an actually good performing Tensor chip. Cause when we first heard Google was gonna do a Tensor thing, we were like, oh, wow, yeah, maybe they'll, you know,

have great performance and great AI and it'll be, you know, on par with what Qualcomm offers. At a basic level, it's not. Their chips are not as powerful as a flagship Qualcomm chip, but they work, they're fine. They're not gonna do amazing with gaming or anything like that, but they work with Google's AI stuff.

But, man, I just want it to be a smooth phone that's fast, that does everything at the same level of a Qualcomm chip. And I think- Maybe a silicon-carbon battery as well. That would be nice. More capacity. I don't know if Google's up to that, though. They're famously not the most advanced with hardware. Yeah. They may do just a

thicker phone with more battery in general, which is cool with me. That'd be sweet. Um, but yeah, temps are G five, please. Please, please. Okay. Wait, I'm thoroughly confused about this. Yeah. Yeah. There's two, I'm reading two different articles about how this would be the pixel 10. I'm reading two different articles about how this would be the Pixel 10. My moron, but forgot that there was the Pixel 9 Pro, which just looks exactly like this. Yeah. It's possible that the Pixel 10 and Pixel 10 Pro

are incredibly close to each other. That's true. They've done crazier things before. I'm reading two different articles. I just reread them and none of them are even hinting that this could just be the Pixel 10 Pro. Yeah, this render just looks like a Pixel 9. With an extra periscope camera.

So a Pixel 9 Pro, yeah. Yes, because it basically said it's the same thing, but with an extra camera. A lot of people get confused because the Pixel 9 Pro and 10 Pro are really, really similar, but the 10 Pro has to come from the 10 Pro, 10 professional region of France. Oh my God.

I saw where that was going. Oh my God. Maybe Anliks just very specifically said he thought this was the Pixel 10. Who knows, my friends. This is either a cool story or the dumbest story possible. It's possible that- You're welcome or I'm sorry.

That yeah, this would be very interesting if they have a Pixel 10 and a Pixel 10 Pro that both have the tensor G5, that both have triple cameras that are both the same size. What is the difference between those phones? The 10 Pro has four cameras. One has a brighter screen. One's more expensive.

Four cameras, yeah, what are they gonna do? I don't know, just aluminum instead of, or stainless steel, I don't know, what's the difference? Alert slider. Now you got me. Triggered. 100 bucks. More transparency in the OS.

I just want you to know, I'm even looking at comments on The Verge about this, and they're talking about the Pixel 11a, so I have no idea where anything is happening. One of those 11a? We don't have the 9a yet. Wow. We don't even have the 9a yet. We don't even have the 9a yet.

Okay, well, there we go. Whatever it ends up being, it'll probably be a Pixel. We'll see a full unboxing next week probably, so we'll know for sure. Yeah, hold on long enough, we'll see all the phones come out before they actually come out. Very funny. In that case, we'll take a quick break again.

We got some more stuff after the break, but here's some more trivia. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Trivia, dude. Second question. So earlier we spoke about EVs, specifically the Dodge Charger EV. Is that its actual name, Dodge Charger EV?

Dodge Charger Daytona. Daytona. Daytona EV. SRT Stage 2 Scat Pack. Really? Oh my God. They didn't put the word Scat Pack on it, but it is Stagea. Daytona EV. SRT, Stage 2, Scat Pack, Bibi Bump. Really? Oh my god. They didn't put the word Scat Pack on it, but it is Stage 2. What does Daytona mean?

It's a place in Florida. It's, oh Jesus. How long would it take to explain Daytona 500? Jesus Christ, it's a place. Magic? Magic bird? It's a city in Florida where the first major yearly NASCAR race was held on the beach, the Daytona 500.

And for a long time, it was the largest, fastest race course in America until a place called Talladega was built. What made the course fast? It's just a giant oval so you could just like smash it. Big gradual turn. Big straight away. Big gradual turn. Big straight away.

There was another Dodge Daytona that I believe came out in 1969, but I don't have the exact year, late 60s, that had a body kit made by Chrysler's missile division, like their defense contractors. And it's one of the craziest looking cars ever. And so they called this one the Dodge Daytona, but it does, it just has a front spoiler. There's nothing crazy about it. But if you look up Dodge, 1960s Dodge Daytona, you will see a car that looks like it was designed

by a person who had only ever designed missiles. It's really funny. That's kinda awesome. Anyway, that's the scoop. I love the history lesson, thank you. All right. I love NASCAR. Second question, I'm gonna have to get back to you

because Ellis just took my trivia question. So oh After the break It was that is not the first dodge Daytona Adam or it is the first dodges home, but it's not the first Oh, I already started looking up Daytona Okay, supernova revolution distortion solar flare, and sangrita blast are all flavors of what? After the break. Apocalyptic solar system events.

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Hey, this is Peter Kafka, the host of Channels, a show about what happens when tech smashes into media. And this week I'm talking about Twitch. Not the thing my eye does when I don't get enough sleep, but the pioneering live streaming service that Amazon bought for a billion dollars back in 2014. Twitch is still a big deal in live streaming, but so are lots of other places. So how is Twitch CEO Dan Clancy going to deal with that competition? Why exactly do I want to watch people talk live on the internet anyway?

I asked Dan Clancy all about that and more on this week's channels from the Vox Media Podcast Network. This week on the Vergecast, we have questions about smartphones. Questions like, why isn't Siri better? And where is the better Siri that Apple has been promising for a long time? Questions like, why are all of our smartphones kind of boring now? And why is it that all of the interesting ideas about how smartphones could look or how they could work or what they could do for you, happening in countries like China

and not in the United States? We have answers and we have some thoughts and we also have a lot of feelings about what a smartphone is actually supposed to be in our lives. All that and much more, much, much more on the Vergecasts wherever you get podcasts. Welcome back. So to close out this episode, we are doing something called who said what? Which is I'm going to read out a post from threads that a brand has made and you have to tell me which brand it was. Which brand was engagement baiting so hard that we turned it into a segment oh my gosh on the waveform podcast all of them did every single one first let's start it

off pretty simple and easy what's the best song to play as the clock strikes midnight on New Year's Eve okay I have a guess are we just guessing out loud or are we writing this all down? We write it down quick and flip them and read. I don't have to make it official. How about we call this corporate cringe? Sure. Yeah, I like that. Corporate cringe. I don't have a board.

I'm gonna say McDonald's just cause you almost said McMuggy, I feel like. What was the thing again? What's the best song to play as the clock strikes midnight on New Year's Eve? Oh, I know I think I'm following this brand higher by Creed Why would a brand tweet this higher by tire cruise Terry Cruz Taiyo Taiyo cruise, but I got it. I got it

What do you guys think it is and then we have to guess guess. Yeah. Put our guess. I think it was Spotify. No, it's you're guessing the company. Oh. You're guessing the company, not the song. Dude, I put YouTube music. Oh, s***. David, what did you say? Spotify.

No, that was right. I guessed After Midnight by Chappellrone. That's hilarious. That's not the banger by the way. Wow. Okay. No, I have any racers Wait, what did they say? Yeah, wait, what was it? Yeah, it was the top comment even flow what that's not that's not the point Comment was this. At least I didn't answer. 3, 2, 1. Happy New Year! Happy New Year!

Oh, the bass drop kind of did it. I knew you were going to do that. Says after midnight. Next one! Reply one if you are online, two if you are do not disturb. If you're online. Which brand said that? This is on Threads?

This is Threads. Oh Threads is like the massive engagement beat. Yeah, well it's definitely not Skype cause they're dead. I am do not disturb. Flip them. Hold on. Oh my God.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Oh my god. Okay. Okay Okay, I said Microsoft. Nope. I said slack. Nope. I said nothing No one plus it was discord Online that makes sense Next good baby. You're the brush to my canvas the glow to my effects the gradient to my heart rainbow emoji heart emoji Why would they post that? This remember when Google was like AI can write your like Facebook statuses and posts this fact feels like all these companies Facebook statuses and posts. This feels like all these companies did use this.

Flip them and read. What do you got? What do you got? I wrote Adobe. I also wrote Adobe. I'll give you guys that. Was it Photoshop? It was Photoshop.

Marques, what'd you say? I wrote Pixelmator. Ooh, close. I almost wrote Photoshop, but it was Photoshop. Okay, babe, what's wrong? You barely touched your documents. Is this, does every company just have the same social media manager? It must be.

Oh my God. Wendy's. So that would bang as a Wendy's tweet. That would be an awesome Wendy's tweet. You know what's the worst is when all the brands just start replying to each other. And I'm like, this is like all the AIs talking to each other. It's like Wendy's tweet. You know what's the worst is when all the brands just start replying to each other. And I'm like, this is like all the AIs talking to each other. It's like the same thing.

All right, Blippin' Man Reed, what do we got? Oh God. I wrote Google Docs. Nope. I wrote Acrobat. Nope. I wrote Microsoft. Nope.

Dang it. Notion. You barely touched your documents. There's no documents in Notion. Cause it's impossible to click documents in Notion. When you post all our thumbnails, you have to click like the perfect top right corner of them to actually see the image Okay, I got one all caps. I dip my fries in the tears of my haters That's better be Wendy's like yeah, I'm guessing I'm just telling you I'm guessing Wendy's it has to be it's McDonald's

I'm gonna flip them and read what do we got guessing Wendy's. It has to be. If it's McDonald's, I'm gonna. Flip him and read, what do we got? I also wrote Wendy's. I wrote Wendy's. I wrote Beyond Meat. They have a pretty big arc out there. Not Beyond Meat, but it was Wendy's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I figured I'd give you an easy one.

Okay. I told you the answer. They're like known for the... Okay, next. What are your photography icks? Oh, God. Wow, who would tweet that? A company.

That's real engagement data. Question on threads. Yeah. What are your photography icks? Yeah, it's either a question or a horrible take. That's how you do it. Oh, what's that camera app that people- The camera?

No, the iPhone, like a- Howlite? Howlite? Howlite would not tweet that. Oh, the one that Brandon uses, Brandon and Rich use all the time They can add fake lens. Oh, no, that's that's can that's uh, no, that's um, I'll just do how lead whatever how lied I lied silver halide holiday

holiday With them. I wrote holiday Sony I wrote Fuji Was it threads it was cannon can we collectively try and answer these I wrote Sony. I wrote Fuji. Oh my goodness. Was it threads? It was canon. Can we collectively try and answer these? Maybe we'll do better if we collectively work together.

Here's one that could be interesting. Because we're all losing. Okay. Happy new year exclamation point. Oh no. 2024 will be the year of blank. That's threads. That's, it's gotta be threads.

Threads? Yeah. Oh, like you think threads is saying like this is the year of threads. The ultra, it's gotta be threads. Threads? Yeah. Oh, like you think threads is saying like this is the year. The ultra generic ones are just the threads. Yeah. It was like an underline too. Like they were saying like, please. Yeah, yeah.

I can see that being threads. I can see it being threads. Guess they're hoping you put threads in there. And they wanted this to be the year of threads over Twitter. I hope. 2024. 2024 will be the year of threads. Definitely threads.

Definitely, that's threads on the official threads account. Yeah. Marques, you tweeted that. Oh yeah, that's a bad one. Marques is like, that's engagement bait for sure. That's just basic engagement bait. That was probably one of my first threads posts where I was just like, let's see what happens here.

It was, I went way back. What's the top coming? I don't know, stop asking me. These are all screenshots. Gushing granny. Anyway, on a lighter note, next one. Don't forget to floss. Tooth emoji.

Threads, 100% threads. I think that could be threads. You think it's a non-dental? This one's not me for sure. You don't think it's like Colgate? No. Don't forget to floss. Do you think it's the teeth emoji?

Does the like, the AD, is it the Dental Association? What is that? American Dental Association? The ADA. Do they have a threads account? It's definitely threads. Colgate could be on threads. We'll go threads.

Yeah, but Colgate wouldn't tweet something that generic. That one was actually you, David. No, it was threads. It was threads. Threads. Makes sense. Suspect texts using their fingers instead of thumbs. Wait, suspect?

Texts with their fingers instead of their thumbs. Interesting. This could be a software company. The FBI. What does it mean, suspect? The suspect. Have you seen that meme where if you're running after someone and you're supposed to call out

what the police would say if they were chasing you. Suspect is wearing a red shirt. And then they roast you if they text with their fingers. Maybe like a keyboard company because you logitech? I feel like, who types with their fingers? I feel like the older generation, right? Oh, you like my mom? Yeah.

Yeah, like, but who then would be making fun of that? A.R.P. Andrew, this was you. Swift. SwiftKey. You're going with SwiftKey? Yeah. That's specifically so you don't use your fingers.

You just swipe around with your thumb. Exactly. Yeah, but they're like saying it's cringy. Oh, OK, cool. Roasting. OK, cool. Yeah, but they're like saying it's cringe. Oh, okay cool roasting Okay, cool. I agree that Swift keys owned by Microsoft. Okay No, it was Google pixel account. Mm-hmm Generic enough I could see that all right here. Here's an engagement baby one. I'm ready You're booking your dream festival. Who's headlining that Spotify the chain smokers No, whoa, we did Spotify already.

Who else would be? But we were wrong. No, you were right. Oh, I was right, I was right. Like SoundCloud, YouTube Music. SoundCloud has one, a threads account. You're booking your dream festival. Who's headlining?

Yeah, Apple Music. Oh, who's the fire fest? YouTube Music. All wrong. YouTube Music. It's Live Nation. No. No. Oh, who's the fire? Fire Fest YouTube music? YouTube music it's live nation Now we're doing their work for them too, yeah, okay last one last one. Are you ready guys? Yep Yep, take a moment to remember hashtag Pearl Harbor with us. There's no way What too soon? Like, what's the issue here?

Google Maps. Okay, anyone else? History Channel. It was SpaghettiOs. No way. And they had to apologize the next day. And they posted a picture of a smiling SpaghettiO holding an American flag.

No way. No way. No way. No way. Just made it out of traps? Still wanna cut this? See, this is what I was looking for. I was looking for this just like insane, someone save us from this. Be more generic. Take us to trivia.

You gotta be, yeah, wow. You know, in 2015, I made a new Instagram account because I realized that on my old Instagram account, I was just following a bunch of brands. And I was like, why am I signing up to have this experience? And that's what threads often feels like. Yeah, my homepage in threads right now, the top post is threads saying we're here for you.

And then weather Channel who says, wouldn't you like to know, Weather Boy? Oh my gosh, wait, you've seen that video, right? Yeah. Okay, nevermind. That's one of my favorite videos on the internet, period. The Weather Channel, perfect. Anyway, shall we

triv it up? Shall we, SU7? Shall we, oh, that's good. That's what they should name their, we? Oh, that's good. That's what they should name their, uh, their, their, that would actually be funny. Shall we? That's why I said it. Yeah.

Anyway, so now that we've already introed it, uh, what is the name of Xiaomi's AI assistant? Do we actually, oh yeah, I have to read that. Yeah, yeah, sorry. Wait, let me just. Ahem. A, Zhao Ai. B, Squiggly. C, God King Handsome. Or D, SU7.

And again, SU7 is the name of their hit EV and it is an anthropomorphized car in the style of the movie Cars with eyes and a tongue. Why the tongue? I like how you don't say mouth. What does he do with the tongue? Cars kind of all like naturally have mouths, right?

Like you look at the grill and it's like eyes, you know, but I just feel like that's the defi- I mean, Light and the Queen literally wins a piston cup with his tongue in Cars one if we're keeping spoiler That's actually a good point. Yeah, that's why they have fun Flip them and read. All right Who mark has one of you go first something different? I picked see God King handsome. Unfortunately. No, I made that up. Dang it I said squiggly. I made that up too. That would be a very silly name An AI and David you picked I said a shall

Shall AI is correct. Also sometimes referred to as super shall AI Too much sense. Yeah, so David better marker. Congratulations on your 14th point. Okay, I fell behind At the live show for saying 81 instead of 80 so I need this you flew too close I fell behind the minute we started trivia this season It's okay. You did so well last season Andrew. I think someone needed to you know, take it down Thank you. Let's show you carried the one That's true anyway

Adam Or do you want to do my question? My question was Typhoon, Supernova, Revolution, Distortion, Solar Flare, and Sangrita Blast are all flavors of what? Locked in. That's crazy how fast you answered that. That's crazy. Okay, it leads me to believe it's probably this.

I love it because I'm pretty sure that just messed with Marques. Oh damn. Shoot. I'm hoping. It's probably Kool-Aid or something. Tea? Tea flavor? Alright. I hope I'm right. Alright. David Tea tea alright I Hope I'm right all right David and I both I'm wrong aren't I? Pulling the G fuel out of nowhere It would make like Look if you have Bafa Baja, it infers Sangrita Blast. They were all limited edition flavors. I'm sorry, Solar Flare was only available at 7-Eleven.

That's dope. Dew, Code Red, Livewire, Voodoo, Spark. I wanted deeper cuts. I wanted deeper cuts. I was trying to weed out the non-believers. G Fuel would have been a deep cut. I thought you were just coming back with the G Fuel randomly.

No, if it was G Fuel it would have been things like blood plasma and Toe J on it. G Fuel is the OG waveform listeners. Yeah, Mercury. Mercury. Are we leaving this all in? I honestly don't know where I would cut it, so I think we have to.

Of course it's in. It's in. Why would it be out? That's part of the podcast. Wait, do you want to ask a question? No, I don't have one. It's fine. Okay. What is the name?

I feel bad, Adam. What's my mother's maiden name? David. David. And that'll do it for this week. We know all the answers to all the questions now. We also talked about a bunch of stuff. Thanks for watching.

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