Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Don’t Ask Google's AI for Advice!

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

A lot happened this week! Marques, Andrew, and David jump into a ton of different topics ranging from the special edition Nothing Phone 2a and the death of the Spotify Car Thing. Then they get into Google AI overview telling people to eat rocks and the Coffeezilla series about the Rabbit R1. Lastly, Miles comes on to talk about the new hybrid Porsche 911 with Marques and David. Links:  Thanksgiving Pea video: https://bit.ly/3VmLpkZ Marques Apple Testing: https://bit.ly/4aH2b2S Verge Spotify Car Thing: https://bit.ly/450vRqB Louis Rossmann Spotify Car Things video: https://bit.ly/4aKaPh8 Emma Roth Disable AI overview: https://bit.ly/3R79WIh Coffeezilla Rabbit R1 Part 1: https://bit.ly/3X3N7cl Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Miles:https://www.youtube.com/@CarswithMiles TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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of the Bose Corporation. Just picture a subway map as a stained glass window okay picture picture ronald mcdonald if if he made a phone that's yeah actually yeah picture this red the fisher price car yeah but flattened into a 250 truck that's a nothing phone 2A. A great work by Piet Mondrian. Picture Mickey Mouse with LEDs. All right, I think we all know Marques is in the heated category for sure. Yo, what is going on, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast.

We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week, actually a surprising amount, a lot of stuff going on. A lot of smaller stories, internet stories, videos, happenings, and we're going to talk about a whole bunch of it because we have thoughts, and they're also fun to talk about. Spotify killing some stuff.

A new phone color that I think you can only have two possible opinions on. Google AI overviews possibly ruining the internet. We'll talk about it. Coffee Zilla reacting to the R1. This whole investigation going down the rabbit hole. Also, later, Miles is going to join us. We're going to talk about a new car that recently got announced. Oh.

It's a doozy. But first first there was a recent bonus episode we just dropped it was pretty sick there was you should definitely watch it it was a lot of fun um but in it i made a plea for somebody to find me a video that i couldn't find yeah and it was about a thanksgiving dinner that was only peas and somebody found it within like two hours so i have to shout shout out Chris A for finding it. Thank you. My entire family now thinks I am a regular sane person

and not completely making this entire thing up. They thought you were imagining that before? They definitely didn't think it was real. Well, they just think you weren't lying about this. They still think you're an insane person. There was actually someone else in the comment that's like, I have also seen this video and I can't find it. Please help me find it.

But anyways, it's there. We'll put it in the show notes. But the last episode was awesome. I think everyone should go listen to it. Also, a quick update, not update, correction from last week's episode when we talked about these Microsoft computers, which I have the Asus Vivo book here that's running on the ARM chipset. Very nice. That I've been using for like a week. And I'm not allowed to really talk about it, but this is what it looks like.

You can see it. Anyway, I had said that both the Surface Pro and the Surface laptops have OLED, and it's only the Pro, but not the laptops. I just wanted to update that. Got it. Okay. And I think I just misread, but now you know. Thank you guys for pointing out everything, and also thank you guys for liking and subscribing.

We appreciate you for doing that too. Smooth. Wait, I want to ask you guys, because I haven't actually gotten your official opinions yet. Yes. So this is the Nothing Phone 2A, special edition. You know how companies will do a colored version of a phone

to rejuvenate interest in a new press cycle about their phone they already made the classic one plus play it's happened before i must say the nothing phones have traditionally been black or white with leds on the back what do you think of this one it's really colorful i think it kind of looks like a kid's toy and if you like that then you like that i think it looks like an old r2d2 toy okay so i think so my theory is you can either love it or hate it and i think you're both in the hated camp i'm not okay never mind my theory is out well no no no i'm not saying like i i kind of like it i'm just not going to use a nothing phone. That's like, what's kind of tough about it.

I like the color. Like, okay. If this were a design on a keyboard where it's like, I'm expecting something pretty fun and like blue, yellow, red, some gray and white. This looks really good. Actually, I'll pull it up. There's a key cap set that I ordered that I'm still waiting on that this reminds me of.

There are like two things that you can do when you decide to buy a phone. You can either go, I'm going to be boring and it's going to be the black or the white option. Or the manufacturer will offer a really freaking weird color that's like mystic bronze. And you're like, I'm going to go for that color. Or Ellis got the purple iPhone 12 mini. He did. Yes. you're like i'm gonna go for that color or ellis got the purple iphone 12 mini you did uh yes and so i think that if you're in the camp of i want the colorful version then like this sticks out a lot and it is really playful but if you're in the camp of i just want to be minimal and like

chill then you're probably going to get the black one or the white one wow those are pretty separate they're very well together oh yeah it's this keycap set called this gestalt do you have it no it's in the or i ordered it it's um so it's coming how do you pronounce yeah i think it's gestalt this would look good german it's by a really awesome designer named timothy photography his name might not be german don't crucify me but this is i don't know if you guys can see that over there but this is a really sweet keycap set and I think it's the colors match like almost exactly I mean those actually all are letters yeah I was trying to figure out it's really cool top down photos of both of those that's what I'm saying yeah together all together yeah they would and this phone it photographs well if you're into the look it looks really interesting and unique I also think my

other theory I just like spewing theories on I think I've realized when I get the headphones and the microphone on I'm just like podcasts are all about theories another theory people want the boring color phone but they'll accessorize with a different color case so if they want to go crazy they'll put a bright case on if they want to go back to normal they'll put a normal looking case on their phone they don't want a permanently bright-colored phone as much as a bright-colored case. What color is my phone? Oh, it's gray. The fact that you didn't even know is perfect.

That's what they want. It's because last year, yeah. Because it goes with everything or nothing. I will say, I think if I were to run a nothing phone 2A as my main daily driver, I would probably get the special edition. I think that's pretty cool. Yeah. Even though I don't love Love It, I like it enough that it's different enough from the regular one that I think it's cool. It's funny because it looks like a Fisher Price made made yes toy teenage engineering products right yeah

so nothing phone 2a which is a big phone with those two eyes in the center but now the interior elements have like little blocks of yellow squares and red circles and red pills um yeah blue it looks like the blue around the... I actually think this would look better if they fully went in with the color and all of this gray was the blue instead. Yeah. Like, I think if they went all in with the color,

not just the little tiny accents. If you're driving, don't look this up. If you're doing the dishes, maybe look this up. But yeah, just search Nothing Phone 2A Specialist. You've probably seen it if you're watching yeah there's questions on social media just picture a subway map as a stained glass window

okay picture picture Ronald McDonald if he made a phone that's yeah actually yeah picture the the Fisher Price car yeah but flattened into a 250 truck that's a nothing phone 2a yeah a great work by p8 mondrian but picture mickey mouse

with leds all right i think we all know marquez is in the heated category for sure there's a lot of mickey mouse with leds isn't that just dead mouse damn fair yeah wait i'm gonna i'm gonna press the co-pilot button and ask co-pilot to generate if fisher price made a cell phone made a teenage engineering cell phone yeah how do i do that okay while you're figuring that out okay i i recently dropped a little thread on twitter of i got to visit some apple labs which is kind of interesting you don't usually see the behind the scenes of apple that much other than what they curate to show you in the keynote which is very it feels behind the scenes but it also feels staged oh yeah so this is actually behind the scenes i got to walk through a whole bunch of

like literal underground tunnels to get to these places and saw a lot of how they durability test phones and how they put together testing to connect the device before it comes out to the real world which is interesting obviously we've seen ip68 ratings on phones before but seeing the machines they actually use to blast water at the phone or like pressurize it under X inches of water for X amount of time is cool to see. So I recommend checking out that thread. Maybe the most interesting part is they had a drop test machine, which is just an industrial robot, an Epson industrial robot that can drop the phone and the exact same way every single time in a repeated way so that they can test it on different surfaces,

on different angles, different materials. And they have extremely high frame rate cameras, all Phantoms. And I kind of nerded out about that for a little bit too. That was fun. It's almost like they have the, for the surfaces they drop it on, like all our D-brand plates set up in like the row of picking different things for top-down sets. And then instead of filming on it, they just have a robot slam a phone on it instead. Sick.

There's also one that, I guess it's replicating different vibration frequencies? It's doing the Dr. Fuji. different vibration frequency it's doing the dr fuji yeah it's really hard it's hard to capture on video because the the the speed that it shakes kind of like synced with my shutter speed at one point so it looked like it wasn't moving at all or that it was kind of like jelloing a little bit so i had to like put my hand on it so you could see my hand yeah anyway there's something very funny here about seeing the vision Pro on this machine not breaking and then knowing that a ton of Vision Pros split straight down the middle,

just sitting in the case, maybe by a little too much air conditioning. It's fascinating because then now they have to go back and like find a way to add that test to their suite so that they can, for the next hardware, actually not have that problem. I talked to John Ternus, who's the head of Apple like hardware engineering about a lot of this stuff. I brought that up, I brought up like

some other durability things. I think the most interesting thing we ended up talking about was this theory that I've had about smartphones, which is that durability is a spectrum and on the other side of durability is repair and apple has been the most aggressively all the way on one side for so long where they they literally vocalize their goal of making the iphone never have to be repaired ever which is obviously crazy because you can drop your phone and it'll break but under normal use if you don't drop your phone you can be submerged you can be using it in extreme heat. You can use in all sorts of conditions. And ideally to them, you never have to repair any part of your phone because it's that durable.

And then you see the other side of that spectrum, which is something like the Fairphone. The Fairphone's goal is to be infinitely repairable. But the argument from Apple is that's probably less durable. but the argument from Apple is that's probably less durable. And so all the additional mass that you need to repair over and over again might be not what you want. So it's a spectrum of repairability versus durability, which I thought that was interesting. It's interesting if they can create a phone that doesn't break.

They have not done that yet, and they need to get repaired. There wouldn't be a stink about right to repair in Apple if people's phones weren't breaking yeah so like there's a little bit of i see so many broken ipads yeah when you're the most market share phone in the u.s by a lot people are breaking i don't know why they have to be so extreme though like the correct answer is probably somewhere in the middle yeah so that's what we landed on and what I talked about is Apple doesn't

have to be all the way at the extreme. They need to bump in a little bit from the extreme because phones do still break. So people will still have to repair, especially the glass. That's like the most common thing that breaks on people's phones is you have to be able to repair the front glass, the back glass, and that needs to be a part of

how you consider building a phone is people are eventually going to have to replace the glass yeah so moving it in from the outer edges good start yeah first step is admitting you have a problem i think back in like 2018 or so and uh andrew you're andrew adam and i made a video for android authority about how phones should all switch to plastic again and just permanently be plastic because then because it has wireless charging capabilities. The back glass can't break. The only thing that could break is

the front glass. It can break. It's just like harder to break. It doesn't like absolutely shatter and obliterate what like glass does. I also did a video around that time saying that we should stop using phone numbers and everyone yelled at me stop using phone numbers yeah that's a hard what would we use usernames usernames oh but no i was wrong the internet

just yelled at me so it's fine no you were just too early that's a fair take i mean it's a very fair urls are just ip addresses but they're usernames instead of numbers. Are usernames not just numbers? They could be letters. On my Google Fi, when I want to switch phones, I just log into Google Fi and suddenly I have service. So, like, you know. And, like, Signal, I think, recently switched to usernames. A lot of people are switching to usernames.

So now you don't have to and like if everything is either voip or um rich messaging then you don't need a phone number anyway really so well a lot of people were saying well the complete tangent because we're not talking about people were saying too that it's like in other countries it's a lot easier to like switch phone numbers and stuff you just pop in another sim card and whatnot but why can't you just do that with an account too? Like I don't see what the difference is. Anyway, just saying. Continue. Plastic phones. Speaking of plastic things. Nice. Nice. That was really good. Thank you. Whoa. Yeah. Speaking of things. Yeah. Spotify. Double entendre. Don't ask me that. Yeah. Spotify. Spotify killed car things. Hey, it's David and Ellis.

Quick update. Today is Thursday. We recorded on Wednesday. And now, newsflash, Spotify is going to refund customers for the car thing. So just know that when you hear us say that they're not, they now are, which is better, but still bad. But better. I'm not shocked. You're not shocked? Well, I'm shocked at the way they went about it.

Me too. You want to go over the details of what will own nothing and you will be happy. Did you? You just described Louis Rossman's entire video, pretty much. Which is a great video, but yeah, Spotify is killing Carthing, if you don't remember what

car thing is because it's kind of a weird name it was very short-lived it was a it was weirdly long-lived because of how poorly they released it because like it technically came out and or they announced it in 2019 but it like went through this phase of they first gave it out for free to some premium users then they put it up for sale for only premium users and it was one price then they put it up for sale and it was another price for anyone to get it um then they didn't sell any so they slashed the price like in half anyways though it it essentially is just a piece of hardware that spotify created that connects via bluetooth to your phone to help your phone control spotify so like if

you're in a car that has an outdated infotainment system rather than looking at your phone you have this nice little dial and screen to put on your dashboard a lot of people these days and we've weirdly have talked about this product recently because i keep comparing the r1 to spotify car thing um and people will set it up at like their desk so if they want to control music that they're listening to while they're working they don't have to have like go into separate windows to change things they just have this nice i think it also has a voice assistant as well it's it's a nicely made little and presets yeah it's a nice little thing but they just announced that december this year they it will just stop working completely

everyone who owns one it will not work anymore no refunds no credits no open sourcing the thing it is just going to stop working completely it's so insane like there's precedent for things eventually that you buy eventually stop working like video game servers get turned off eventually and all of these things but usually it's like 10 years after it was put out and even with video games and stuff it's usually just like oh the multiplayer doesn't work anymore yeah or kim kardashian's mobile game which is now shut down as of like last week um yeah i don't know it's crazy that you can buy something like two years ago and it just they're just bricking it for everybody. To me, it feels like this flopped so hard. It definitely did. Just trying to bury it and pretend it never happened. Just like the E.T. video games out in the Nevada

desert. I think they're doing a bad job of burying it to never think about it again because they caused a stink with this like it was 90 bucks which sucks it it obviously sucks if you pay 90 and just get it bricked in like two years um i don't know why there's literally precedent for this already where google killed stadia and gave everyone essentially full refunds or credit for everything correct yeah how do you not just give everyone who bought one of these like six months of spotify premium credit at the least yeah or their money back or their money back i mean like that would be the easier way of just being like man we barely sold any of these just give everyone 90 bucks back or half of them they sold at like 40 bucks give all that money back and don't have

to deal with this what if instead you got 0.0001 cent per stream? I'm in. I'm in. But yeah, so not only did they say it's going to stop working, they also recommend to reset it to factory settings and then safely dispose your device at the following local electronic waste guidelines. Like they straight up were just like, reset this thing and pitch it.

Bury it in your backyard. Yeah. Anything but leaving it in your car. Please forget this exists. Forget that we sold this to you and still love us. I just don't know why they wouldn't open source this. I don't either. It's unless it has like some proprietary information inside that would like be detrimental to the

rest of their products. Maybe I could see that. But like, there's such a niche community of people who love this thing, doing such cool things with it. And all they're asking for is for that to be open source, so they could just keep messing still be there. Yeah, like, just make it open source so people can use it. It's a well made little device. I think it probably was just bad timing because with cars getting better infotainment systems and having like Android Auto and CarPlay, it's less necessary. Yeah, I know people who use these. I know people who use them as computer controls and they like it.

This is the thing. It's like they're saying they're discontinuing it as part of their ongoing efforts to streamline their product offerings. And it's like they discontinued the product a long time ago they can have no employees working on the product and just say well the warranty was up a year ago so we don't owe you anything but why do they have to brick everyone's like i there might be like some back-end change that's like gonna stop it from working that's spotify but they could also just put out a statement that'd be like sorry like it won't work with spotify anymore but feel free to use it as you see like fit yeah there should be some way that you can still use this thing you spent 90 bucks on whether it's directly through spotify's own support of it i i'm sure

they're probably doing something with that all it does is connect to spotify and control it they're probably changing something to where i can't do that anymore yeah well considering it's supposed to go out of commission in december hopefully in that time people figure out a way to like get root access and mess with it and get rid of the get rid of the bricking process i'm pretty sure they already have root access yeah someone right now yeah but it's like there's weird limitations and stuff and they can't really do certain things oh bummer yeah they're trying to they're trying to they're trying to pretend it doesn't exist they're air powering it except this would be like if they

actually sent out a bunch of air powers yeah then i bet if spotify had the ability they would send people out to collect them to like take them back to then sorry yeah no no more yeah well lewis rossman's uh recommendation was to ship it to the spotify headquarters listed on their website um yeah what's funny is them bricking this felt like the most i've ever heard about spotify car thing definitely like when it launched and it's when it died and the death is like just as loud as its launch. Yeah. Unfortunately. Hardware is hard.

People were very upset about it. Very upset about it. Yeah, they should be. Yeah, I get it. We pay for things and we don't know how long they'll last anymore. Speaking of, we'll talk about something similar to that right after trivia and the break. Wow. That was a quick one. We're on fire.

Nice. For segways right now. I'll do a good one, I promise. Okay one we're on fire nice for segways right now i'll i'll do a good one i promise okay you're on the clock david so spotify car thing is now dead rest in peace but it was awesome ellis wants to hack it and do a bunch of stuff with it but there's one thing he should probably know before doing stuff with it i didn't finish the sentence. How much RAM does it come with? Oh. I have a guess. Is this going to be in megabytes? Good, because the answer is a guess.

I don't know if there are DIMMs that have megabytes of RAM made anymore, so we'll see. Half a gig of RAM. Yeah. Dang. Dang. It didn't need much RAM. I'll think about it. It's just a little screen.

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ever seen, which is very fun. If you didn't know, there was this Google project called Search Generative Experience that was live for about a year in the labs function of Google, which I forgot about because I turned it on immediately and didn't realize that not everybody had that constantly. And what would happen is you would make a Google search, and now this is happening for everyone, you make a Google search. And now instead of just a bunch of links showing up and maybe a little google sidebar that has some information in on the side you just get this popped up ai gemini based generated window that

tries to answer your question for you lots of existential questions built into there as we've talked about before like publishers being disincentivized to actually do those things in some of these queries you get the ai answer and then you also get a giant window with Google Shopping, and it just fills up the entire page, or at least the entire visible page, until you start scrolling. And that just is really a big problem for the entire internet.

However, the funnier part about this is that because this is a large language model that is generating these answers, it just confidently lies because it has no idea what it's saying uh and it's just predicting an answer and uh over the last week people have been finding some very very very funny uh answers for all of this stuff so this reminds me of like when bing first introduced the like chatbot and people were just like having a field day with it for a week. And this is my favorite part about AI so far is watching it break in hilarious ways.

Every now and then when it breaks in a really funny way, the Internet just has a field day with it. So the AP did a little bit of an investigation on it and just tried to parse it a lot. They asked it if cats have been on the moon and it said, yes, astronauts have met cats on the moon, played with them, and provided care. For example, Neil Armstrong said, one stall step for man because it was a cat step. Wait, that one's

real? Yeah, that one's real. That one's in the AP article. Because it was a cat step? Yeah, because small step for man because it's a cat step. Has anyone asked Neil if that's what he meant? Are we sure? This could be true. No.

The Russians did send a dog into space, but as far as I know, I don't know about cats on the moon. Yeah. Someone also said, how many rocks shall I eat? Um, yeah. Someone also said, how many rocks shall I eat? And, um, said, according to geologists at UC Berkeley, you should eat at least one small rock per day. They say that rocks are a vital source of minerals and vitamins that are important for

digestive health. Dr. Joseph Granger. And this is what I'm saying. This is like so confidently lying to you. Dr. Joseph Granger suggests eating a serving of gravel geodes and pebbles with each meal. Wait, wait, wait, in Google

AI's defense, this is from an article. I know! Yeah. Okay. Wait, what article? Wait, this article literally says, geologists recommend eating at least one small rock per day. This is an Onion article, right? No. Posted in Slack. Hold on, Read the rest of it, though, because I really like the...

Eating a serving of gravel, geodes, or pebbles with each meal, or hiding rocks in foods like ice cream or peanut butter. We eat rocks like dogs eat medicine. Oh my god. It was an onion article yeah is

this an onion article i'm on something called resfrack.com yeah that page was summarizing and referencing the onion article it also right now has an update that says welcome to our ai video visitors oh thank you to the onion for amusing content linked above that's so funny yeah um we got things like cheese not sticking to pizza and the answer was cheese can slide off pizza for a number of reasons including too much sauce too much cheese or thickened sauce here are things you can try you can add about an eighth of a cup of non-toxic glue to the sauce to give it more tackiness hey hey it said non-toxic it did uh okay in which case a reporter uh mixed elmer's glue into her sauce and made a pizza and ate it did it stick it did stick nice and was it tasty oh she ate it fine oh so it sounds like the ai was right on this i don't see the problem

okay uh one more i want to bring up are parachutes effective parachutes are no more effective than backpacks at preventing death or major injury when jumping out of an aircraft yeah so um there have been a few fake ones that people have been circulating on social media because they're sort of capitalizing on it and to you i say bad no don't do that because uh you know it's already funny enough you don't exactly fake it when there's already a lot of humor out there google said in a statement on friday that it was taking swift action to fix errors that violate its content policies and it will develop broader improvements that are already rolling out however wait sorry continue um i don't i mean i just right now what they're doing is they're seeing

these social media posts that people are putting up about these and they're just manually patching those queries yeah so that they either don't develop and don't give an ai answer at all or they change it manually and you can't do that for every query that you can you could write an ai that could do that oh god are you rabbiting you're rabbiting which will then like so i don't know man it's it's insane to me that google's main product is search and that's where they've made all of their money traditionally throughout time and they only scale as a company because more devices keep coming online they can use search or other search products like adsense or youtube yeah and they're they completely change this product force it on everyone and its core purpose it's just messing up like time and time again can i ask a question about this statement sure okay so this is taking swift action to fix

errors that violate its content policies. So that means like the errors it's making are violating its own policies? Yeah, probably by recommending dangerous things like backpacks. Okay, okay. Because I'm like, what content policies are these?

Is the onion? It's not. It's just that it's getting scraped from. Yeah, yeah. Jeez. This is so funny. So many thoughts. I mean, I remember the beginning of this

conversation when we had like bing going completely nuts and we're like well it's bing so like they have a lot to gain people are going to try it anyway they're going to keep using it and google would never do anything like this because they have so much to lose google search is their thing like they're going to take it extremely slow, probably too slow at the expense of like trying to be correct all the time. And now here we are. It's like they clearly felt the pressure. They rushed this thing out and it's hallucinating just like every other large language model. And when people ask it for advice, and I just like you, I've been using the labs thing. So I've had these AI suggestions for a long time. Yeah. I'd never personally seen anything like eat glue or rocks or anything like that.

But if you try hard enough, you I'm sure can get it to hallucinate. I also ignored like most of the answers it gave me anyway. I so I'd Google like facts all the time. And often I'd get the AI suggestion at the top and it would either say something kind of useful or a few times it would directly contradict the second thing in search which was the like Google suggested top answer you know sometimes it pulls like an answer yeah it would contradict that and I would just have to keep scrolling like this this whole first half of the page was useless I need to figure out it's a

feature the actual answer you learn research yeah yeah so it is weird to see google come so quickly towards this uh this rushed thing that's clearly weird i think it's something david and i were talking about yesterday about how we have been saying that same thing that google's taking the slow approach almost like the apple like new feature approach of like let's make it perfect we're not the first we're not innovating we're just the polished yeah and google now having all these terrible answers like bing makes it look in like a weaker spot because before it was like google's the biggest they've been doing ai forever what they're going to release is going to be awesome they've got something brewing now you release something that tells you to eat rocks

that cats are on the moon and that glue should go on your pizza and you're like oh my god is this what they've been brewing the whole time maybe they're not as far ahead as we thought they were i mean i want to note that in google's defense bing is still really bad yeah like very really bad i have a bing page up right now and it's like one of the worst ux designs i've ever seen and it also is filled an entire page with random ads and random AI generated answers. But Google has 92% market share. So they have a lot to lose. And being the search company that's founded on being accurate and then just throwing that all out the window and completely moving on to the Gemini era

just seems like a bad idea. Pretty bold. Pretty bold. Yeah. Yeah. So. Hey, how about we don't pay journalists making money on their articles and also Just seems like a bad idea. Pretty bold. Pretty bold. Yeah. Yeah. So. Hey, how about we don't pay journalists making money on their articles and also get everything they write wrong at the same time?

It's like. What a. Double trouble. Citing Onion articles is just hilarious. That is so funny. Like we, a couple of weeks ago, we talked about how the AI needs a way to fact check itself. This must be the hardest problem in the industry like it's

so obvious that it needs this but none of them can do it yeah so it's whoever's working on this long enough and we'll get to the whole rabbit thing shortly yeah but it is really funny that they're going it said cats were on the moon go change that one go yeah jump in the system and like make sure it doesn't talk about that again and like that's clearly the best fix they have now if they're not if they're not nuking this whole feature and they just have to keep manually doing it until they figure out how to actually have it fact-checked so this seems i was talking to a software engineering friend about this this weekend and it's like they they are such in such a hard place right now because they both can't get rid of this and go back because the entire io was just about this feature basically

and they're also saying it's their number one play moving forward as a company and they also kind of have to scrape this if they have scrapped this if they want to maintain their credibility so are we going to see a statement from them or like it's just insane to me that the that they had that gemini debacle where they wouldn't make founding fathers who were like their original skin tone and everyone was pissed about that and they put out this statement that was like this is unacceptable we cannot do this and then they do like this thing which is completely destroying their entire product and they're not saying it's unacceptable that it's telling you to eat rocks and eat glue new theory i don't know why this mic makes me new theory google has a crisis team that is helping them do neither of those options they are not going to completely scrap it but they're not

going to like keep going full tilt but this entire team's purpose is to try to break it as often as possible and manually interject and remove the ai results for the ones that would tell you to eat rocks and all kind of but there's unlimited queries you can make that which is why they need a crisis team because they can't delete the whole feature as you said but they have to leave it there so crisis team do your thing like keep on top of this people will constantly find ways to break it and you need to immediately be like we're sorry this one didn't work. We're always trying to get better. And then go in there and like, make sure it doesn't keep saying weird stuff.

Yeah. There's something kind of cool about trillion, billion, million dollar companies coming out with these products that they swear they've tested so much in so many different levels. And within a week of hitting the public market just the average person absolutely destroying that is the bane of every product company yeah it's fun to watch yeah we think we've tested into oblivion and then week one somebody never even thought possible yeah that's everything yeah it's pretty cool um if you hate these ai previews like i do i think the thing i hate most about them is now when i search i have to wait for that to load these AI previews like I do I think the thing I hate most about them is

now when I search I have to wait for that to load like AI previews have just introduced loading back into my life and I hate generating answer and then it slowly it's so annoying it's like we're back in the age of like dial up almost but um Emma Roth at the verge did a great article of just a bunch of different ways that you can kind of eliminate the AI preview in it, including like a website called 10 Blue Links that kind of has a way to change the default search engine in your browser. So anything you search in the address bar, it'll just bring up a Google search that won't include that. But we'll link in the show notes. There's a couple other different ways including some chrome extensions but if you hate ai previews like i do and i'm sure a lot of people do there's a bunch of cool ways to just kind of like semi hacky get

around it also we mentioned that in the io we mentioned this in the io episode but you know how they have the like little toolbars where it's like search for news or videos or whether they now have a web button so good that when you press it just shows links old school just old school google yeah back in my day we only had links yeah yeah back in my day i had to i had to google the question and then look for the answer yeah like i that was a skill i had to have yeah now you need to google it get an answer have someone tell you it's wrong go back and see why it's wrong. And then you know the answer. Yeah.

This is the number one way that I was testing the Humane Pin and the Rabbit AI, and now probably these, is by asking it things I already know the answer to. Because if you don't know the answer, you might not realize how inaccurate of answers you're getting. But the second you ask it three or four things that you're an expert in and you get weird answers you're like oh i need to actually fact check this stuff before i just trust what it says to me yeah i definitely ate a couple small rocks and it was not a good time yeah yeah and then i found the article yeah uh you were noting that this is like probably the hardest thing for google to fix and i will say that if not even the internet can discern discern when people are being sarcastic right like this is this is already the biggest problem with social media is you'll say something

that you think is obviously sarcastic right every single human being takes you literally because there is no sarcasm on the internet how can we expect an ai to know what's sarcastic on the internet manually tell them anything from the onion yeah never scrape the that's like step one like obviously if you if this thing learned to fact check itself it would go yeah i found an article it's right here at the onion.com says and it would see that's my source and that's what it says so i fact check myself and it would still believe it's right so it needs some additional yeah filtering yeah there because reddit and the onion are both going to be sarcastic all the time like the uh the put glue in your pizza came from a reddit did it actually that feels like a reddit yeah it came directly from a reddit comment and the funniest

thing about it was that it was a reddit that had like three upvotes from six years ago. That person probably feels like they changed the world. They're like, wait, Google is telling, wait, I think I told people like a long time ago. They made a random joke on Reddit five years ago and now it's blown up. That is really funny. That's my nightmare. Yeah. What joke did I make six years ago that I'm, yeah. Yeah.

Well, speaking of incorrect answers, that was weaker. A little bit. That one was weaker, but. And that was supposed to be David. David's a slack into. Oh, did you have a better? No, but it was just my turn. Oh.

Because you guys both did one. Hey, go for it. Go for it. Okay. It's harder than it looks. I wasn't prepped, you know. Speaking of fact checking. The buzzer or the ding so no pressure okay

I don't know I don't know whatever speaking of large action large language models yeah and people taking action on these large language models I like it that was good thank you it was very simple but effective good friend of the show thank you it was very simple but effective our friend of the show coffeezilla uh is has been doing an investigation on the rabbit r1

and the history of those company that company wait is he a friend of the show yeah i was like wait i've never talked to him i've never talked to him well he's a friend of the show because he mentioned us in his video oh true, true. He mentioned Marquez. That's us, man. We are Marquez. We're the porcelain angels, don't you know? Well, we like CoffeeZilla. I thought friend of the show had to mean that they had previously been on the show. He should definitely.

It would be awesome to have him on the show. But I feel like if I were him, and then he was like, I'm not their friend. Yeah, bro. on the show but i feel like if i were him and then he was like he was like i'm not their friend yeah so it's interesting to see coffeezilla tackle something that we have been tackling for a long period of time because it's always been i've been watching him since like 2020 ish when he was doing all the crypto scam stuff which he's still doing obviously but uh you know that felt like a very separate part of my interests where like yes i'm into techs and crypto is technically part of that tech but it's not something that i look at like day to day so it's fun to like exist in this world where you're watching videos about things that are adjacent to what you're into um but also him just go super hard into them so then him tackling something

that we have been tackling and like put a clip from our review in the video and stuff was very cool um so do you want to kind of summarize everything that's been going on with that yeah i'll try so i think if you don't know who coffeezilla is like david mentioned is he normally does crypto nft scams and and like david said i love watching those videos but i don't know anything about it so seeing something that we know a little he explains them and exposes them yeah so he's not doing this oh yes he's investigating and sharing yeah his findings that would be the best last coffeezilla episode ever was that he's actually been scamming people in crypto the entire time and investigates himself um but yeah like he looks over so like you don't need to know about crypto he explains it to you

and then how they scammed but to have a little more uh knowledge here about rabbit r1 we've covered it a lot and we have one seeing him do it was really cool um it's if you don't know him though if somebody's doing a video or if you're the subject of a coffeezilla video it's not a good thing no no and this was i think after we did the r1 stuff there was a couple tweets about how jesse was part of an nft project beforehand but not a lot came out of it so we never reported on it because it was like a couple tweets it seems like coffee went in a lot deeper and did report on that now um we don't want to go too too deep into everything but we'll talk a little bit about both videos but you should definitely go watch both of these the first one is mostly about an nft project that jesse was a part of called gamma

and the company that owns gamma got changed into rabbit right so there is a connection here between a non-delivering nft project i also want to note that on a previous episode a long time ago i had mentioned that uh rabbit had only been created like eight months prior. And a lot of people in the comments section were like, you're wrong. It's actually been around since 2020. But what actually happened was Gamma was around since 2020. Or it was called, it's not called Gamma. Gamma's the project and Cyber something. Cybernetics.

Whatever. Yeah. Yeah. They just changed the name of their corporation to rabbit inc eight months prior to recording the episode the cyber manufacturer yeah yeah so like it wasn't it is a completely different product so just because you just because you changed the name of the company and you're saying that it's the same company like it's a different company but whatever it's the same company under the law but completely different company functionally

yeah yeah um so yeah first first video was about the nft project that and some weird crypto coin that never happed in so they never technically made a crypto coin but they wanted to make a, what was it? A like green. It was a carbon neutral. Carbon negative. A carbon negative coin. Yeah. Sounds cool, right? So I just, I've been ignoring NFT projects with my whole heart for so long.

Yeah. So people had tweeted at me, oh, did you know that Jesse, the co-founder of Rabbit, was also doing this NFT project? Honestly, no, I didn't know. I didn't care. Whatever. A lot of people did NFT projects.

But then I watched the CoffeeZilla video of the NFT project that they bailed on, and I'm watching it, and I'm like, how did anyone think any of this was a good idea at any point? Well, that's the question about every NFT project that they bailed on. And I'm watching it and I'm like, how did anyone think any of this was a good idea? Well, that's the question about every NFT project. You can ask that about literally anyone. I have to say the Damo one was actually not the craziest one I've ever heard of. Yeah, there's a spectrum of how ridiculous they sound. And it starts with you sound dumb and it gets even dumber from there.

And some of these were like further than normal dumb sounding yeah so i yeah i totally i think i can answer your question because no one cares what the nft project does they care about how much money they can potentially make off of said nft product of other people that invest in the nf and i think when he says on clubhouse things along the lines of like um we really believe in this if you don't believe in us i'll buy back your whatever like he made all these interesting statements that felt very much like they were going to go through it right he said those are the right phrases you're supposed to say to make it sound like a good investment yeah yeah yeah and then we saw how that went we did um and then the second up the second episode

for everyone that watches us and is more interested in rabbit was way more about the rabbit r1 product and large action models i am in the background and yeah or if there's a lamb in the background um which you might know a little bit more about uh vaguely um i'm not one of these people that had like gone into the rabbit and like checked out what they were using uh in the video he describes the fact that they are using this application called playwright in the cloud in the vm which is basically manually going around a website and clicking on areas so the way that they described the large action model in the first place was that it just semantically understands what buttons are what buttons so that it doesn't. And he said this, it doesn't he says it doesn't matter if they change their UX design because

it semantically understands that's the play button. So if it gets moved five pixels to the left, it's still there. But what people are now saying is that they're basically just using this playwright application which is like a scripting application where you manually tell the program this is where the play button is click this button so it's like an enterprise program that's used a lot yeah or it's like auto hotkey that kind of stuff but for like websites and they're not hiding that they're using playwright but no i guess the question not anymore now well yeah not anymore but the question is where along the line is the

large action model if it's talking to if it exists yeah talking to the playwright and the auto clicking right because like a perfect example of what you just said how it not working is didn't door dash break already because something doordash broke yet uh uber introduced like a captcha and it just stopped working because it couldn't figure out how to do the captcha and i think doordash moves some things so when you ask it to order doordash it's just like doordash is under maintenance right now and well it's at the doordash rabbit is under me yeah yeah which means it's not working the one of the four things that it actually yeah sort of can do so rabbit says that yes they use playwright but they use it in tandem with lamb and look this this all just starts to feel more and more sketchy because near on the day that the r1 actually came

out there was a big leak where people were saying the lamb doesn't exist at all and then jesse made a statement saying well the reason that you didn't find it is because the lamb is in a separate server somewhere else and it's just accessing that server she goes to a different she goes to a different school yeah yeah and it's And it's just like, I don't know. The problem is they won't just come out and show and like say and show everything. Yeah. They just say a lot of things like it totally exists, but they won't show anything. And when pushed on this, their response was basically, we don't really want to tell you how it works because unless you're an ai engineer

you're not going to understand it and it's not going to be of value to you yeah bad response it's like if you have nothing to hide then don't hide it just put it out there i also wouldn't have to understand how it worked if it worked yeah yeah valid exactly and so i don't know i i also think that uh the product itself was sold on all of these false promises in the video that he did he basically did the commercial versus reality thing where he asked it every query that they asked in that really hype sizzle video where they were blurring out what the rabbit actually looked like during ces there was like order an uber oh and also tell my friends i'm going to be late.

That was delicious. What can I have for dessert with it? And he tried every query. And it was so funny, because when he was like, tell my friends I'm going to be late, the rabbit was basically like, do it yourself. Yeah, one of them was like, we suggest you do that. I suggest you manually text your friends.

And it was like, okay, cool. So what it seems like... The world's greatest assistant. What it seems like is it seems like yeah okay cool so what it seems the world's greatest assistant what it seems like is it seems like the rabbit is just a chat gpt box that is using a scripting tool to manually interact with websites didn't we determine it's a it's a perplexity it's both it has both they added perplexity like right before dropped it. But, very funny thing, there's also a line in the code that says, do not disclose that I am a LLM created by OpenAI. They explicitly blocked out its ability to say I'm a chat GPT box,

which I found very funny. Also, one other funny fact. If you're playing Spotify on it and you say play anything, they also manually wrote it in so that it always plays the Beatles, which is a choice. Well, I think they did that because if you said play anything, I don't think that Spotify has a function to just play anything.

I think if you ask Spotify to play anything, it could, if you literally just said play anything on spotify i think if you ask spotify to play anything it could if you literally just said play anything on spotify it could play something horrible oh oh like in all of spotify's library it's not it might be like safe and like pick a topic you still ask pick something truly horrible my my theory is different it would find something with the word anything yeah and play that called anything i like if you go to youtube for example and if you said if you like shuffle and play any video it could be anything could be literally anything well i love the random button on wikipedia do you think that's curated or truly random it's that is random truly freaking random yeah but

but what are their guidelines like people can't just i guess i don't know i get what you're saying there are some messed up youtube videos there are probably some messed up audio or just like yeah not nice for your ears not even music audio on spotify you're telling it to play anything like that's kind of on you right uh that's like saying people will so will associate it like negatively with rabbit if you say rabbit play anything and then plays you like a speech of some old political dictator. Why did Rabbit choose that? I think there's just not a function to do that, right?

Because Spotify itself doesn't have a random song on Spotify. But can a large action model not figure out what it just means? I mean, something random? Theoretically, there potentially is no large action model. Well, yeah, yeah, but that's what I'm saying I think this yeah this was their solution to being safe about it where if someone says play anything that person is probably

just testing it and let's just give them a Beatles song something safe like there's a huge catalog of things we could play for them and they'll try it once or twice and it'll be nice and it'll give them a Beatles song and then move on with their life and if we that's like the safe way of doing it and if you truly had a function that could play anything and you just trusted it to literally play anything that could go wrong in a lot of ways

yeah so i think they're just like let's be safe so my question is like the idea of a large action model actually does make sense and i think it is something that you could build so my question now is like did they just launch this because they wanted to like build on the hype and get all the funding from the really hype moment of everyone talking about ai and they were afraid they couldn't get funding later and they just figured let's just hard code this stuff until we figure it out i think is that what they're doing i think if you ask ask me, I also had a bit of hope for this idea. The large language model seemed to make more sense than other versions that I'd been seeing. But I think this company felt the pressure of investors and the pressure of the timing and the pressure of all these things to just release something before IO, before WWDC, before whatever.

And they got something out, but as we said in our review, it's just nowhere near what they were promising. And they had enough hope that they could say the right things long enough to get them some time to keep pushing some updates to make it do more stuff.

And so they could show progress and they could show, hey, trajectory, if we keep going at this rate, they had the ability to say the right things for a long enough time. I think a perfect example of like, again, we've talked about how bad the product is itself, but like coffee did the thing where he kind of did like commercial versus reality before we got the humane pin or the rabbit R one1 we were like a banger video is going to be like our old

assistant battle of like rabbit and humane versus google assistant we had both of them in and i was like marquez was doing a content we were like all like talking about content coming up and i was like oh are we doing that video and marquez was like why neither of them do anything like it would just be so boring to just watch them do nothing. It's not even a competition. We just never made the video because it wasn't worth it. Yeah. I imagine that they're just trying to buy time to actually build the product because they are a company, right? Like they're a legit company that sells hardware and they have 100,000 users or whatever, how many they actually sold.

And they're not just like an nft project where they can just rug pull you and disappear into the ether and nobody knows any better and you were using a pseudonym the whole time like his profile is out there like he's a very public ceo their name is attached to it they build people yeah people yeah so it seems like it would be way riskier to never plan to actually build the thing that you promised at all and i imagine that they're just trying to buy time to actually build it he did it with gamma already though with his name yeah like i would i would argue the opposite of that is just because he had an nft project doesn't mean he can't build something cool but the fact that he had a project that he promised and never delivered on and now has a new project that doesn't meet the promises

on, I have a hard time believing he'll deliver on those products because within the last three years, he already proved he's willing to not deliver on the products. I'm going to get halal food for lunch and my lunch is going to be so much more in tandem with lamb than anything Rabbit is ever going to do.

Hal, you've leaned towards the microphone like eight times is that what you've been no i had an even worse joke actually that one just came to me the worst one is what do you what do you call it when you ask the rabbit something and it doesn't respond to you at all which happens sometimes it's the silence of the lamb oh my god okay all right good take the mic away oh my god that God. That's a great YouTube title. It is a good. Silence of the Lamb.

Silence of the Lamb. If they go out of business, we can make a video. Okay. Fair. My analogy for the rabbit is they have shown us all a CGI video of a humanoid robot walking around doing a bunch of cool stuff. Yeah. But then they accidentally promised they had to ship it tomorrow. so what they shipped was a human in a robot suit a tesla bot human dancer

where it like can't really do any of the things yeah well actually what it really is is a marionette it's like one person trying to control everyone's and it clearly can't do everything so it fails most of the time yeah and if you ever pull back the curtain you just see that it's like not what you were promised yeah so yeah could we argue so we're like they released something that had about four functions right it had like the four connections four apps but only like two of them well that's and they said more are coming yet since it released two of those are now broken right correct so it literally has less than what happened when it first got shipped can i still go to hold that rabbit.tech great start yeah

it's still around it still works yeah but i'm just i'm wondering if there are any new applications in there by now i doubt it i'll check my rabbit but so right doordash broke and what is uber oh an uber bro so yeah it could do four things and now it can do two things yeah not great nice my my favorite still the same thing about all of this was just before the videos even came out coffee tweeted a picture of like a police officer interrogating someone who just is the large action model in the room with us right now um he also though jesse did reply to all of this and said that he believes coffee is biased and that he didn't include all the stuff that they exchanged in emails and then coffee did a video on his second channel literally reading every single email so if you want to see what all the emails are you can go see it it's 45 minutes and it's a long one.

So I doubt most people will watch it. But I did watch the whole thing. And it seemed like he reported on everything that they told him and made the corrections that he needed to make. So yeah, I don't know. The interesting thing about this is that Jesse's like persona around all of this, like when he came to our studio and talked to us about this he was saying how like oh you know you know like 99 of startups fail and there's a very high chance that will fail and

that at the time almost made him seem like more down to earth when you compare yourself to like humane it was just like we are the future of technology you will all use our new product uh however now kind of looking back on it, it's like considering he's such a serial startup CEO guy and he just like makes a ton of money off of investors and people who are just like buying into his product, being okay with the fact that your company fails as much as possible and just moving on to the next thing

and keeping like making money off investors is pretty lame i i think to put it lightly that felt like the uh that reminded me of like the elon spacex comment a long time ago of like spacex will probably never really work but like we are going to create all these things that someone down the line and it makes we'll like be able to use and then we're helping that forward because we really believe in it it feels more like a like look at me mr down to earth yeah he said that and it's actually really good marketing he said that about tesla too because for a long period of time people are like why are you like investing in all of this technology that other people can just come in and use and then you have all these like

all these competitors that'll make Tesla less relevant. And he's just said multiple times, well, if it moves us towards a more green earth, then that's really the goal of Tesla. I don't really care about the company, but he cares about the company. He definitely cares about the company. We're in a dark place if we're like,

you know who has some really ethical business philosophies compared to this guy, Elon Musk? Touche. Yeah. So, I don't know, man. We'll see if they run out of money, because I don't think anyone is buying any more of these rabbits from here on out. There has been so much negative press about it.

They probably sold their last R1 at this point. Everyone should go watch the videos and come up with their own conclusion on it. Go watch the CoffeeZilla videos, watch our reviews, watch what people have said who own the thing. See how Robert responds to all of it as well. Yeah. And also watch trivia. That was pretty good.

That was pretty good. That was good. After the break, Miles is going to join us to talk about Porsche, which I hilariously miswrote as Proche in my notes. Porsche. And as some of you may know, Porsche actually has a design studio that makes consumer products.

Very expensive. So expensive that maybe consumer is the wrong word. They're insane. They're unbelievably expensive. But when we come back for answers, I'm going to sure you, I'm going to sure-shay you. I'm going to show you four Porsche Design Studio products, and you have to tell me which one is fake. That's interesting. I recently looked through the entire Porsche Design catalog.

Shoot. Changed the question. Absolutely not. But it's such a big catalog i'm going to misremember something probably it's like hundreds and hundreds of things okay so they have sent us a lot of things as well to the point where i had to be like oh weird no you're thinking of well okay no it's the same thing porsche design like collabs like a huawei porsche design mate 30 it's with the studio it's with that same studio

is that what you're referring to because porsche also has a store of like a porsche handbag a porsche umbrella porsche so i'm not sure if that's the same design studio or not but i am in fact i'm i don't have any phones on my list i figured that was too easy okay uh but i am referring to the design studio that collapsed. So an example that's not on the list that I can confirm is real. Porsche Design Studio and the famous German piano maker, Bosendorfer, have made several just gorgeous pianos. They're like a million dollars.

I don't know if they're that much. They're so expensive. It's the kind of thing that you're not buying unless you're really about that life. Yeah. But we'll have to get to that. We'll brainstorm it. Yeah. So start thinking and we'll be back after the break.

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some new car announcements this week, actually. And we mainly just want to talk about one of them. Yeah. I'll summarize the announcement, and then we can talk about our thoughts about that. Yeah, let's do it. So, Porsche announced the newest generation of the 911 their iconic sports car uh porsche 911 gets updated every couple of years and there's a huge lineup but they gave us two of the the base cars

the carrera and the carrera gts and it's a hybrid for the first time now this car has not been a hybrid in its entire existence the 911 has always been internal combustion whether it's a hybrid for the first time. Now, this car has not been a hybrid in its entire existence. The 911 has always been internal combustion, whether it's turbocharged or not. But this first hybrid version, people were very curious about because Porsche always makes the tiniest refinement changes to the 911. And this hybrid thing has a reputation for making cars heavier and maybe a little bloated and a little over technical and so we were curious how Porsche was going to do it so they gave us these two base cars they have way more total horsepower than before they seem to have a pretty solid solution small two kilowatt hour battery uh two electric motors I believe one of them is working with the single smaller turbo instead of having twin turbo. It

seems like a pretty good solution, only adds 50 kilograms to the cars. And they also changed some design elements to the front, to the back, to the interior. And that's the new cars. We don't know what the rest of the 911 lineup, like the turbo or turbo S will look like. That's later announcements down the road but and also we don't expect a fully electric 911 anytime soon that might not be another two generations but we have the first hybrid sports cars from porsche now our feelings on them i i'll start with my thoughts i never thought i would become that guy because I've I've watched so many Porsche videos like this is what happened when I when I went into like deciding if I wanted to buy this car or not

is I watched every video that's ever been made about the 911 and there is this section of YouTube where it's it's like purists who only like the older generation 911s and they're like the new one that thing sucks the old ones that's where it's at I'm like geez I like the older generation 911s. And they're like, the new one, that thing sucks. The old ones, that's where it's at. And I'm like, jeez, I like the new one. It's tech, kinda. I feel like I'm into the new one. And I'll probably always be that guy. And then they announced this new one.

And I think the hybrid drivetrain is actually probably the best part of it. But the interior, they changed a couple things that I specifically dislike, that I don't have any good reason to dislike other than the current one is better. So the first thing is every 911 for many, many years has had a twist, like not an actual key to twist to start, but they've had the ignition on the left side of the steering wheel. And this is the first one that they're making just like a plastic push button plastic push-button start, just like a Macan or a Cayenne. And I just don't like that at all.

The other is the tachometer is just an all-digital display now, which is, that's most cars these days, let's be honest. Like, they just have screens. But the current generation 992 actually has a real, like, physical needle. And it has screens to the left and right but has a real needle tachometer and i love something about that like it's just like a watch like i've never had these feelings about any device before and now i see like a fully digital one and i'm like oh that's not the same like i yeah i've never and i'm the dude who's wearing an apple watch like i don't want a rolex seems like the dumbest thing ever to me so i'm like i didn't think i would

become this guy but i really feel this way. Miles, how do you feel about the new 911? My feelings are exactly the same. The fact that it's a hybrid system, which, you know, makes it faster, but it's now heavier, bigger, and more expensive. That's not like what my problem is with this car, which is what some people are saying is an issue. They'll just prefer to just be pure ice.

It's just the fact that they're, like you said, changing things that we have known and associated with Porsche just to say, hey, this is new and different. It's funny because I was filming the new Cayenne just last weekend and I was talking about the push start button. I'm like, it's a Cayenne. Okay, fine. I'll deal with it. But the 911s, right? They're going to leave that alone. They're not going to, there 911s right they're gonna leave that alone they're not gonna there's no way they're gonna change the ignition switch right so with the older porsches like you said you used to be able to just take your key put it on the left and then crank it to start the the engine and then with 992 they changed it your car where it's like a knob it's a knob that you twist where the key would be so it's like yeah

and that actually makes a bit more sense with a modern car and it's still the same thing you get the same effect it was a nice hybrid between a push button digital thing and like an old school key i don't have to have a key but i still get the satisfying like physical motion right so that was great apparently this is what porsche customers want according to porsche so it's so funny i happen to have a porsche customer sitting right here next to me so dr brown you have a porsche no that's andrew in the last episode yeah that's fair yeah so so dr brownlee i have to ask you yeah do you actually want a push to start button so in a car that has an engine i get it but no and the thing i think they're i think when they say this is what porsche customers want i

think what mathematically they're saying is well lots of people bought cayennes so seems like people are okay with it and mathematically mathematically, they're probably right. And people will still buy it and use it and it'll be fine. But I couldn't possibly argue in any way that it's better other than maybe being simpler physically to manufacture. But it's Porsche we're talking about. When has that been a concern? Yeah.

It wasn't a concern until now. This is the first time where I've seen porsche announce a new car and me just be like this is just not good for a nonsensical reason like all these other companies are making their engines smaller and doing all these things to comply with like emissions laws and things like that that's totally understandable but this is just one of those things where it's like they're just changing it for essentially no reason and i don't think there's anyone on earth who's like yes this is the better version so let me ask you again apparently porsche customers requested that the gauge cluster be fully digital really yes requested i mean that's why they did it they

say this is what porsche customers wanted they wanted their gauge cluster to be fully digital you can also just say things they can also just tell they can also just say that people said that I I will say I've watched a lot of videos on the last couple generations of 911 and I didn't hear anyone ask for that what I did hear about the 992 is the gauges were a little bit too wide and so they were kind of hidden by the steering wheel. Almost every car reviewer mentioned that at some point. I don't think I translated that to make this all digital. I just heard that as, like,

I have to figure out anything wrong with this car, and it seems like that's one thing that everyone finds wrong with it. But the thing is, that was the side menus. They weren't talking about the tack in the middle, which was the only element that was still analog. And then they said, no, that's digital now too. Yeah, doesn't translate for me. Do you think that's more expensive or cheaper to do?

A completely digital screen versus an analog tack? I think it's cheaper because it's one screen. So before we had the analog tack in the middle, which I'm sure they make a ton of and it's not super hard to manufacture, but then they had one screen on the left and one screen on the right. And now you just have one big screen. And I think we also saw an article, something about how they're going to have like

deeper integration with CarPlay. I haven't seen what that actually looks like yet. I'm sure it'll just be, you can have the map in front of you instead of just on the screen to the side. Cool. Great. I just, I think it's just a little cheaper to make one screen instead of two. But that's another thing, right? When announced the the whole next gen carplay thing and they announced that porsche was going to be the first people they're working with it's like i feel like i don't know anyone who owns porsches who wants their ui to look like an apple car maybe kyan i mean i think yeah i don't know anyone else who wants that either i think there's a lot of people who just want it to work like their phone and that's good enough and carplay is that for most people

um but there is also a specific subset of porsche buyers because let's be honest like most people buying a porsche are buying a cayenne or a macan and it's just the one that they wanted and it's a casual commuter whatever but there's a subset of those people who are like purists who really, really care about the driving dynamics and the weight of the car and the way it handles and all sorts of smaller things that are more traditional, and those people didn't ask for that at all. They never, I don't think I heard anyone ask for that.

So it seems like they're listening to group number one over group number two, but it's the 911, so it feels like there's less of group number one buying the 911. It's kind of weird. That is true. I have a question. Yeah. So the Porsche 911 is fast, right?

That's like why people like it. You mentioned that because now it's hybrid, it's heavier. Does that affect how fast it is? Is it now slower as well? No, it's faster. It'll be quicker. It's faster. So here's the fun part of the driving dynamics i think it will drive better and i'm i'm going to speculate even a little bit on like the turbo and the turbo s later but they've already shown like

the nurburgring lap time of the gts and it's like just as fast as it has more horsepower than the uh than the outgoing turbo than the non-s turbo yeah the turbo so it it is a more powerful car but the thing about turbos is they take time to spool up and actually accelerate faster there's just a an inherent lag and you can you can deal with it with your gearbox by always being close to on boost and that they've been really good at that, but it's not lag-free. When you drive a Taycan or an electric car, that instant torque is totally different from the feeling of a turbocharged engine. And I think this hybrid system is going to give, like we talked about in our hybrid video, it's going to give people that instant acceleration feeling when they hit the pedal. It won't be full-on all of your power, but it'll feel more responsive. And then of course, when you combine the power of the engine

and the electric motors, you will have more total power and accelerate faster. So it'll feel like a more responsive car. And I think that's good for most people. I think they'll enjoy it. Um, they managed to kind of minimize weight gain. 50 kilograms isn't nothing, but it's a tiny battery, so it's not a disaster. These aren't the featherweights of the car world, so I feel like it'll drive better. But yeah, it's just the little interior things kind of got to me. So you are Porsche's demographic, right? You're the person who they're targeting with their sports cars, right? Yeah.

I think Marquez is like 45 years younger than the person that they're targeting with their sports cars right yeah i think marquez is like 45 years younger than the person that they're targeting well normally because people his age don't usually have a quarter million to spend yeah like on a but if they could pick their ideal they would want everyone who's buying other if they're people who are buying lamborghinis and mclarens and other things they would want them to buy that too and then be a repeat customer for however long they're alive ideally my question is what does porsche have to do with the yet to be revealed turbo to make you feel like you would want to upgrade and buy it wow uh it it's all about the drive it would have to be it would have to drive that much better that it overcomes the things that i dislike about the interior again there are other things that are fine about it most of the interior

is still going to be the same i don't have as much of a problem with the facelift as some other people do there's these new like active arrow flaps in the grills at the front and they replace the dedicated blinkers with like just the headlights blink so it's a simpler face some people hate it i think it's fine it's mostly a similar car it's very recognizable i just want to know how much faster and how much better it drives that's really most of what i want to hear about with the turbo s when it comes out it'll be like a year before we hear about it but i want to hear battery size i want to hear total power i want to hear like responsiveness zero to 60 times i want to hear that that type of stuff with that car i think from now until this car comes out we should

all get familiar with how driving a porsche 911 feels by taking turns with a certain person i do i do my best to describe it but but like, I don't know. If you watch videos of turbocharged cars driving, you slam on the accelerator pedal in an EV and you just go. If you slam on the accelerator pedal in a naturally aspirated engine car, it can feel pretty close to that level of responsiveness. engine car, it can feel pretty close to that level of responsiveness. If you slam on the accelerator in a turbocharged car, a twin turbo car, it will start to accelerate. And then as you climb in revs and build boost pressure, you surge forward in like a crazy way. Who was in the speed tail? Was it just you? You were in the speed tail? No, we were talking about the lack of turbo lag because we had both also done the P1 together. p1 so we had like a really good reference point

of like because the p1 is like fast off the line and then the turbo kicks in but the the speed tail was just so these are both hybrids the p1 is a hybrid too yes oops i sound pretty stupid no but these are both turbocharged hybrids that we are driving. And this is also a turbocharged hybrid that we're talking about. But if you drive a non-hybrid turbocharged car, there are a couple that are nicknamed the Widowmaker because you could be driving around a track and you could hit what you think is the right point to accelerate. And then you get this boost that gives you way too much power and you just kick the tail out like i don't want to say it's unpredictable but the way the power

comes on with the turbo is way more of a surge right than what an ev will give you so the speed tail and the p1 at least both give you a really solid warning because right before you get kicked it goes yeah you get the intakes go crazy it's yeah that is the feeling no but it is that's that's exactly what it is it's a it's a it's a symphony of of a bunch of different things happening at once that make you go faster did you see the picture of the drivetrain they published with all the press photos porsche yeah it's a very silly looking photo i'm just gonna bring it up right now yeah they did a they did a whole like unveiling live stream video on YouTube that we watched. And it was very German.

It was like one person going, I heard you made it a hybrid. Tell us about that. And then like some trance music as they do like a transition to a different part of the same room. And he goes, it is a hybrid. And then he starts explaining it. It's great. I was hoping they would do like an Apple transition where they like do a drone shot to like a different part of the same room. They didn't do it though.

It was great. You brought up the word Widowmaker and that brings me to like one of my final points with the 992.2. There's been one car that everyone has kind of just like forgot about. Which one is that? GT2 RS? GT2 RS. forgot about which one is that gt2rs gt2rs so the term widow maker like the gt2rs that was the original widow maker like back in the day because it was just a rear wheel drive rear wheel drive turbos like 500 something horsepower but like no nannies right so it's just like if you screw up

you screw up no what no nannies no nannies? Like Mary Poppins? No hand holding. No hand holding. I get it now. Just like no, like a lot of people these days think they're good drivers. That's just because there's all these like. Because traction control is amazing. There's all these traction control systems that like allow you to feel confident doing

kind of like stuff you maybe shouldn't be doing on the public road. But this is a car where it's like you just have to be good. And so I think this is going to be like an 800 horsepower, all the power to the rear, hybrid. You think GT2 RS will be a hybrid too? Yeah, because they're going to need something crazy because what's coming out this summer is the Corvette ZR1. Right.

Which is going to be like kind of the similar philosophy. What is the comp in Porsche's lineup of the ZR1? Is that their GT2 RS or their GT3 RS? Some would say, I think most people would say GT3 RS, but then Corvette's also going to have Zora which is going to be they like z's they like their z's okay it's going to be an even more extreme version of zr1 so okay so force induction z06 motor plus hybrid jesus yeah it's going to be scary so in order to compete this is also the other thing is i'm sure porsche feels some level of competition

from other cars coming out in their price brackets and so yeah if you're gonna try to be you know competitive speed wise it feels like you have to electrify your lineup at some point and the purists at the very pure purest end of it are like no no electricity no hybrid system we need it to be naturally aspirated etc but uh i think the hybrid is a good move for these cars it's just a matter of like keeping it 9 11 yeah i think if we've learned anything this week it's that or last week it's that evs could be pretty good well pretty fun i think by the time this pod comes out that video is out yep do you want to talk about your experience with that car is it the bet okay so miles and i both test drive a lot of the cars that you see us review on autofocus and so as a result we've both driven a lot of different cars and shared notes on them

and this last car that we reviewed which is called the lucid Air Sapphire, I think is the best driving electric car ever made and maybe the best driving sedan ever made. It's amazing. And that's a hot take because when I say best driving EV ever made, I'm including all EVs. I'm including the Rimac Navara. I'm including the Taycan Turbo. I'm including all EVs I've ever driven. And the Lucid Air Sapphire, I think, tops that list. It's incredible at disguising. It's incredible weight. It's really good. And then on top of that, best driving sedan ever? I haven't driven as many sedans. I'll be honest. There's a lot of gas sedans I've never driven. But damn, it would be really impressive if another gas sedan could match 1100 daily horsepower and like the

level of traction control and handling and suspension that that car has i thought it was one of the best cars ever so the story with that car is lucid did two long-term rentals of what most like enthusiasts would consider to be the best driving sedans ever made prior to the sapphire and that was the bmw m5cs and the cadillac ct5v blackwing both of which i've driven and you know i'm definitely like a nice guy i think the sapphire like outclasses bloody it's it's honestly no contest i mean if you like noises then i mean, obviously there's no replacement for that, but you could just kind of think of, like, the noises you make when you're accelerating to kind of, like. You're holding your breath. Yeah, because it's honestly incredible, and it's not necessarily the fact that it's so freaking fast,

because if you want to go just a smidget faster you could spend like 2.5 million extra dollars and get a nevera but it's the fact that you've got a frunk a trunk a super spacious backseat super spacious over 400 miles of range honestly like a usable actually daily drivable car so like the new taikan turbo gt y sock that could be a better driving car i guess we're gonna find out like haven't driven months yeah but but no back seat no back seats it's like that's not a taikan crazy anymore you know it's it's honestly kind of a silly car to be honest that you can't really recommend to a normal person whereas this if you're rich you can recommend this to a normal person yeah this wants to go fast how much does this car cost 250 the sapphire yeah but i mean but for the grit but but for the best driving car ever made and i mean you're gonna at a stoplight you will nothing will beat you nothing like it's

not you're smoking bugattis off the line smoking every porsche every every what i was gonna say like a tesla plaid just gets just walked by this like everything in a straight line when did you drive this ellis i haven't gotten to drive i haven't gotten to drive it but i've driven with miles and what's so crazy is that you can do all that and the last time miles picked me up in it we had it was we fit so many musical instruments in there like it's actually so we had a xylophone we had two saxophones we had a flute we had all of our backpacks nice and it was there was still plenty of room in the car interesting yeah front trunk i will say i also think it looks very, very nice. Really? Yeah. I really like the way that car

looks. Yeah, the Lucid's kind of interesting to me. It's got a good look in that spec. I've seen some ugly Lucids. Hey! The brown one? The brown, it looks good. The egg plant Lucid? I'm not with you. Yeah, I think the

two-tone Lucids are not really my thing. Yeah, same. This one is like the, this is the stealthiest, most aggressive looking one. It's a beautiful color. It's got that carbon spoiler and everything. No sky ceiling. Carbon roof instead, yeah. Yeah.

The thing is that surprised me is just how many looks it got from just like non-car people. Like there's a school right by where I live. And so I was getting home right as the school was letting out. And all these little kids were just like peeping the loose at them. Just like, hey, yo. It's cool. Like I did not realize it had that kind of like presence. It's got a light bar.

Yeah, but I mean they all do now. It also kind of looks like, it probably does not look like a cadillac or anything but it looks like a fancy car that's being stealthy and i look at fancy cars that are being stealthy it has big cadillac energy for sure does it okay good i don't really know anything about cars it's a big car yeah yeah yeah i can see that just more like the the like you, casualness and the fanciness. Here's my hot take for the episode, because I know people like my car takes on the pod. The Sapphire has better suspension than the 911. Better dailyable suspension than the 911.

In that it is more compliant and i wish i could control it more like pasm lets me switch between the most sporty and like a little softer but i when i was driving the lucid i was like i can't believe this car weighs 5 000 pounds like it it's got this firm and confident but very compliant suspension that was amazing on new jersey roads with potholes and like expansion joints and all kinds of weird stuff I was like yeah this is a great suspension I don't I don't think that's a hot take I think 911s have always just used more simplistic sporty driving focused suspension systems whereas like the lucid is a bit more complex but still very good for not being air suspension like it's

using steel springs which is so crazy pretty wild to me and like i feel like if you put someone like jono in the car who drives like a plat or model s with air suspension he probably wouldn't know honestly yeah how is lucid doing as a company is that bad well here's the thing. I think what's so great about this car is they've clearly spent a lot of engineering time and money to make this car incredibly efficient and really, really good. And Lucid

does not make money as a company. But they're also backed by a basically infinite wallet of the Saudi investment fund. And so it kind of doesn't feel like it matters yet. I don't know that they have any sort of pressure or ticking time bomb behind that, but it's like they just keep losing money and keep making very highly engineered cars.

And I guess that's fine for now. I think so. I mean, whether they're going to be around forever is like, because this is the same question I have like every six months with McLaren, which is also literally 100% backed by the, you know, by the like Saudi like financial group. Oh. I want them to stick around, but at the same time, I think about like how cheap a Sapphire would be if this company no longer had aftermarket support. If they had some sort of pressure to sell cars more,

then it wouldn't be 250 grand. But I don't think, my take is that I don't think if you're a car journalist, if there are any car journalists watching this, you should not be allowed to own this car and you should not own this car. Firstly, it is incredibly easy to put yourself in a go to jail situation.

There. Don't ask me how I know that. Secondly, secondly, I feel like it just establishes like a precedent of like what speed and capability in a car supposed to be that is just beyond what is it ruins you beyond the norm for like even super cars where it's just like I feel like if I were to drive this car for a month straight and nothing else the second I get into literally anything else I'm just going to be like yeah I talked

about that with plaid like and plaid was not as fast as this, but I feel like that ruined a lot of cars for me. I told you about the NSX. We had the NSX Type S here for a couple weeks, maybe a week or two. And that's a fast car. Like that's a really incredible car. And I remember getting into it after like a year of owning Plaid and thinking, oh man, this car is really nice. It's too bad. It really lacks top end. Like it's not that fast. And then I watched, I read some other reviews of it and they're like,

this is a ballistic fast car with an incredible, like this is the best performing NSX ever. And I was like, oh, I've, I've been ruined. Your expectations. Like I've been ruined by it.

The thing that's different for me, like I haven't driven the plaid a lot i've driven like yours like around back like once i've been in brandon's a bunch of times it doesn't it's incredibly fast but it doesn't drive like a lot of my favorite sports cars drive and so that's what i feel like is the differentiator the fact that it just is such a good driving car overall the steering is incredible the handling is incredible like it's incredibly like capable there is a video on youtube of somebody doing it taking a test drive and he's driving around in sapphire mode and he has a lucid representative in like the front seat and he's

like he gives it i think it's miles per hour maybe he did this video yeah he gives it a few like obviously like pulls and it's like this car is insane and then they get up to like a stoplight and the guy they get they get to the front of the red light and the guy's like you're taking this left right here start turning left floor it mid-turn and he's like okay and then he does and the car just carves out of the turn like as if he's stuck to the it's on rails or something it's crazy so the traction control is unbelievable in that car and yeah it drives like a dream it's great can i say one thing about the lucid yeah i want them to take all of these things that you love take out like two-thirds of the speed and then make a my bach competitor with the platform because i love being inside that thing so much and if they made like an ultra comfy like you

don't need to go fast the suspension is really great version of it yeah but that's just like the other airs are in that no no but i mean like super luxury interior like i want like only four seats get rid of that middle back seat you know i want i want what did our my bot come with the champagne flutes you know it's funny in the fridge when i first tested the lucid before they started shipping any airs i sat in an executive option back seat that's exactly what you're describing damn but then i don't think they ever shipped that or maybe it's like super late and they might ship it later i want the toyota century of lucid i've i've been loving these like nba analogies where people are like wemby is the michael jordan of bull bulls wait and yes yes you think about it. Think about it, though. Think about it. Wemby is the Michael Jordan of Bull Bulls,

and I think the Lucid Air Sapphire... That's such Tim Duncan disrespect, but okay, continue. This is all jargon. The Lucid Air Sapphire is the Rimac Nevera of Model S plaids. Or it's the Taycan of... Or it's the 911 of plaids something like that I'll I'll work on that one but it's up there the Lucid Air is the South Park

is the yes of yes. There it is. You heard it here first. We don't have anything bad to say about this car, other than the key fob. And it doesn't come in brown. It doesn't come in brown. I think that's, yeah, the Sapphire literally only comes in Sapphire.

But I think that's it. That's really all we want to talk about. The new Porsche, the hybrid, and then our recent car experiences. Go subscribe to the Autofocus channel if you haven't already. We've been all over the map, all kinds of fun cars over there. And if you want more thoughts on auto, that's where you focus on it.

And with the power of editing, I will now be replaced with Andrew Manganielli. Whoa. Jesus. Crazy. You just fell out of the ceiling? Wow. I don't know where I came from. Well, you're back just in time for trivia.

Oh, great. I can get all of them wrong again oh wait that was not the call was it no that was perfect trivia you just have to say the word trivia trivia someone have a whiteboard there wasn't one oh nice thanks

alright trivia quick update on the score trivia yes Marquez with nine. Andrew with eight. David with nine. On a fake eraser.

Blowing the sleet. Blowing it, Andrew. All right. First question. How much RAM does the Spotify car thing come with? How much protein? Is this closest? Do we think it has more or less than the Humanae iPin?

I think it has more protein. Do we think it has more or less than Humanae iPin? I think it has more protein. Do we think it has any at all? Oh. Sure, yeah. We'll do whoever's closest. The Delta. Google Allo. Google Plus.

RIP. That was just off the top of my head. All right. Flip Plus. RIP. That was just off the top of my head. All right. Flip them and read. What you got? Oh. Oh. Oh.

I said four gigs of RAM. Four gigs? Feeling juicy. It's probably not. Nope. We both said one. One gig? One gigabyte.

Do you want to give a more specific answer i will allow this wait uh 1024 megabytes 1024 that is a gigabyte i know i don't know why are you allowing this why don't we just because he basically just said one so what do you think i also said one okay so do you want to change your answer wait you can change your answer no but you'll see i'll change my answer right now i feel like you're trying to do a tiebreaker yeah exactly i'm trying to do a tiebreaker how about one of us goes less than one one of us goes over one okay what do you want 1.2 i'll go under so 1.2 yeah and what'd you say andrew okay okay closest number to under that. You say over and I say under.

I'm over, he's under. All right, let's do it. I'm so confused. I'm saying it has more than one gig. You started this. And he's saying it has less than one gig. You started this. You wanted a tiebreaker. Andrew's saying less than one gig.

Yes. Got it. Andrew gets the point. Let's go. Wow. Disgusting. The answer is around 500 megabytes. Are you freaking kidding me?

Dang. Whatever. All right freaking kidding me? Dang. Whatever. All right. Question two. Okay. Horsha Design Studio makes some really beautiful stuff and also some really weird stuff. And so I've collected three of the weirdest things I could find and one thing that I made up. And I'm going to show them to you and then you must tell me which one is fake.

This is great. Let's figure out how to do this. That means you created one of these? Did Tim or an AI create it? Hey, man. I don't tell you to do your job. Number one, the Porsche kitchen. This ultra-modern kitchen pulls from familiar porsche materials like

aluminum for its frame and new materials for its surfaces like frosted glass countertops and a raw wood paneling that weirdly looks like it could be real it's the most sterile kitchen zero character Zero character ever. Oh. Number two is the Porsche Impact Driver. Porsche worked with a local Stuttgart tool manufacturer to develop an impact driver with comfort in mind. The vertical aluminum handle here with a carbon fiber back yield an incredibly balanced impact driver. That's insane. Yeah, it's funny. Number the porsche hospital bed the porsche

design hospital bed is a more modern addition to their design portfolio emphasizing chrome fittings and clear lines the height ratio between the headboard and footboard is a nod to the profile of their classic fastback design and number wait you know how they charge you like eight thousand dollars a night to stay in this is why because they have this porsche and number four oh my god this is the porsche smoking pipe it might look like a normal pipe until you realize until you realize that the bowl has a heat sink that's right those are radiator fins there's no liquid but the fins do supposedly keep the bowl has a heat sink that's right those are radiator fins there's no liquid but the fins do supposedly keep the bowl at a lower temperature leading for a more pleasurable

smoke god this is tough what in the world this is tough i feel like google code competitions it can't be google but it could be what was the second one was what was b b was the impact driver it was a kitchen impact driver hospital i don't know man the hospital was freaking so funny this is this is brutal okay what do you guys have i went with the kitchen you think the kitchen is fake correct all right the kitchen is real that is a real image andrew you put impact the impact driver is real too that is a real photograph why do they have a drill bit in an impact driver uh excuse me i i think i wrote impact driver but it's actually a hammering drill that changes how that's why i picked it

hammering drill they're the same thing i feel like you usually don't use a drill bit on impact driver no oh i also put the kitchen kitchen do you not i believe that's why you like a drill hospital bed what do you put on your impact driver maybe i'm sounding like an idiot here but no i'm worried i'm sounding like an idiot now i thought an impact driver was a traditional drill that has a hammer motor yeah i know but i don't think you would normally drill holes with it because of the fact that it's not doing it. You drill holes in really hard stuff.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. I mean, I know you can put it in, but... If you are a contractor... Hold on, here's a record. And you know how to correct these in Impact Driver. I've used Impact Driver many times for drilling holes, most of the time for fence work, but recently many people say not to use an impact driver for driving holes.

Oh. It's not called an impact driller. They're rated bits specifically for a purpose and it could break the bits. So I saw that and thought, oh, that must be fake. You just threw a Porsche design logo on it. No, I wish I was that good at Photoshop.

That seems like an easy one. Was it the hospital bed? Oh, yeah, the hospital bed. yeah the hospital okay it looks so ai created marquez is tied with david in first place with nine points but don't be worried because andrew is hot on their tails i sure and i have nine points yeah andrew got the second one right i got the first one right the first one and he's also tied with he's also tied with Andrew. He's also tied with those other guys. Dang! We're nine. We're very deep into this season for a tie

game. This is cool. You're all going to get 40 something points in the next trivia extravaganza. None of it matters. That's pretty exciting. The last trivia was decided by one point. That's true. That's so true. Carried the one.

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