Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Elon Musk Gets Hacked, Last-Minute Smartphone Season Leaks, & a 12K Video Camera!

Episode Date: July 24, 2020

It's a virtual grab-bag of tech news topics this week! First we recap the great Twitter hack of 2020, where celebrities like Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and even Barack Obama had their accounts compromised.... We then take a quick look at Black Magic's new 12K (Yes, 12K!) video camera and the future it foretells. Lastly, with "Smartphone Season" just around the corner, we discuss the latest rumors before all the big announcements soon arrive. Links: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ shop.mkbhd.com Music by KamrenB: https://spoti.fi/2WRJOFh Reply All: https://bit.ly/32N5Hth New Tesla Model S: https://bit.ly/2CGTPhM NBA in a Bubble Vlogs: https://bit.ly/2WNkyAc Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:24 to last minute Samsung event rumors with the Galaxy Note 20 series, to Twitter hacks, Bitcoin, YouTubers whose audiences might have fallen forward if they were in the hack, and everything in between. Let's just get right into it. Alright Andrew, did you know Blackmagic's making a 12k camera now? I'm pretty sure you if you're in the follow anyone on tech Twitter you had to have known about that. This is this is it's funny because the the one number that makes the headlines it's a 12k camera yeah but there's a lot of other interesting things about this camera i know i'm not considering switching to it right now i really really like our red
Starting point is 00:02:54 cameras just just saying like everything about them the ui it's not just that it's 8k but the ui the color science the dynamic range the way it works with Final Cut Pro, red code, the SSDs, despite their lack of reliability, are super fast. So I'm really happy with our current cameras. Yeah, and you're in the workflow of it as well, which is like a huge thing that people underestimate when it comes to working with stuff like that. So Blackmagic has been making really compelling cameras for a while. I've seen people shooting with them, other people in even tech YouTube shooting with them i think so this is random frank does and his stuff looks yeah phenomenal his i've seen people at uh events with them so this is the i want to get the
Starting point is 00:03:33 official name the black magic ursa mini pro so the body is small but it's the ursa mini pro it's 12k super 35 sensor and when people see that they're like well what do you need 12k for obviously no one's watching a 12k video no one's really finishing an 8k so why do you need a down sample indicate you just it's just a big number right but there's a whole bunch of other really cool things about this camera too it's got a pretty nice 14 stops of dynamic range um it's got so it's a super 35 sensor but it can shoot 12k at 60 fps and then you can go down to 8k add up to 140 fps so there's some pretty cool other things about the camera and they've they've clearly been working on their workflow i've never really
Starting point is 00:04:17 considered buying a black magic camera because i don't think they mix well with red and at the end of the day that's what i come back to as far as primary camera but i just think this is hilarious just because the number i mean so like awesome imagine something what could you do in 12k is there is there something right now where for some reason 8k is not enough no there is nothing i can't do in 8k that i could in 12k other than destroy my storage i think that's basically it just like absolutely yeah you you could test the mac pro even harder yeah basically i tried to download uh some of the test footage i couldn't really look at it because i don't have the plug-in necessary to review the dot b raw files that it spits out but i just love it's a every frame at at 12k is 12 28288 by 6,480 so it's 6k tall and and that adds up to 80 megapixels per frame
Starting point is 00:05:13 it's wild so uh i guess if you do want to do some high resolution photography with a video camera and you want 80 megapixels per frame you can get a hell of a thumbnail out of an 80 megapixel frame i guess that's where we're at i guess i was also surprised that it's coming in right at like 10 grand also which is not cheap that's black magic though yeah you know like red cameras are not cheap and if you look at any of red's competitors they're all undercutting red in price but again we're not buying these cameras because they're cheap uh but if you are looking for something in that ten thousand dollar price range this is probably one of the more compelling options now. So that's pretty sweet.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Anyway, sorry I had to lead off with that. So you're changing your name to MKB12K. Oh, God. Is what we've gotten down to. If I had a nickel for every time someone asked, I'd probably have this camera by now. No, we had a couple things happen. So the last episode, which was out of the regular schedule was the interview with carl pay we talked one plus nord that was an exclusive of course and that went on the channel you can see the video version of it but now the phone is announced
Starting point is 00:06:14 officially and we've had that video that impressions videos come out since then and we also had a dope tech video going over let's see giant airpods yes a dual screen laptop and a 49 inch ultra wide which i feel like just describing it as a 40 well let's talk about that first because that was clearly the like showstopper of that that was a fun one it's it's not just a 49 inch ultra wide it is one that like wraps around your head and looks like it should be in tron from like the backside of it i I remember it. Do you remember from CES when we first saw it? I think I,
Starting point is 00:06:48 I ranted in that video about it. There was, right. They were showing it off by playing overwatch capped at 60 FPS on a, it's, is it 240? It's a 240 FPS monitor. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:59 So yeah, not only is it a huge ultra wide, it is a huge curved fiveK 240 hertz ultrawide. It is everything you could ever want in a huge monitor, I think. And it's impressive. I think in terms of actually gaming on it, though, the only stuff you're really looking to play for that is like simulation, like racing simulators, flight simulators. I would never play a shooter on that game in my life it
Starting point is 00:07:26 would you're the like hud to see how much like ammo you have in your gun yeah your your neck would get sore looking at the bottom right of the screen for something like that is i'm i'm on the same page as you i play most of the games i play on pc are racing simulators i was watching random frank p's video he did a video on this monitor too he was playing shooters on it and he actually found that you had because of the scaling and windows is kind of weird the sides of the monitor and your peripheral kind of get really stretched out okay and so where things on a flat monitor in your peripheral would still be very small it stretches them out and you can see like movement in a mountain far away that you ordinarily wouldn't see i guess i could see like uh like battle royale kind of where you have to be aware of all your
Starting point is 00:08:10 surroundings all the time uh it was like a real advantage it seemed like now again i don't play those types of games and in the racing sim it was like nice your your left monitor or your left mirror is really to your left instead of right in front of you you're actually turning around yeah so that part was kind of interesting but i i just think it's a it's a crazy looking monitor pretty wild and then so interestingly enough the thumbnail of that is the asus laptop what is the name of it again so it's the art the zephyrus 14 15 uh i think it also has rog in the name so the asus rog zephyrus 15 duo in some order of those words laptop names everyone's favorite um pretty pretty sweet too you have it connected to the g9 monitor which is wild and something i found i immediately wanted to see that when i came in
Starting point is 00:09:00 so i went into the room that has it set up and what's funny is since the trackpad is so small because it's on the right side of the laptop, you literally have to go edge to edge four times on the trackpad to scroll across the entirety of the G9 monitor. I'm surprised it's only four. The sensitivity was probably up pretty high, but yeah, think about half
Starting point is 00:09:19 of a trackpad trying to get across an expanse of a monitor. Yeah, no a it's a such a funny little laptop like i i reviewed the first one or that was in dope tech in the first one and that one where it was such a weird concept it was kind of like a galaxy fold where like i'm gonna give it some passes here because i've never really seen a laptop do it quite like this so when you you have this huge second screen you move the keyboard way to the bottom, so now there's no room for your hands to rest, and now the trackpad's over to the side, and
Starting point is 00:09:49 you squish everything, and it's a weird keyboard layout. But like, I don't know, the screen is kinda cool. So they doubled down on it for this one. So the Duo now tilts up the screen, so it's more visible to you when you open the laptop. It's got this cool hinge mechanism. It looks, if you just watch the video, we'll link this dope tech in the show notes, but just watch the hinge open and admire how clean that looks.
Starting point is 00:10:10 Yeah. And then the other thing in there, which was less of a super high-tech bleeding edge, but just a fun thing that we saw were these giant AirPod Bluetooth speakers. I think the only thing we besides them being ridiculous people were wondering why we added them because we like to have fun sometimes it was fun it was interesting they we got sent to them and we thought they were funny so they that was one of the main things
Starting point is 00:10:36 sometimes you know i share some tech on like instagram and twitter and very few pieces of tech break through to like the outside of tech friend bubble where they ask like, wait a second, what is that? And I shared the picture of these headphones. And, you know, sometimes it's like the new iPhone or like the new Tesla or just something super obvious that people have seen. I shared this picture and had people on like ultimate teams texting me. It was in the ultimate group means like people like, what is this? Where can I get it? This is hilarious. So, yeah, this is this is just a fun one yeah and one little
Starting point is 00:11:09 revision we made on it is if someone brought to our attention that i guess 3x pods is potentially drop shipping those um yeah so we just added an extra link if you want to get them on like aliexpress they're going to be like a third of the price they're so cheap yeah you you go you go into this thing of whether is 3x pods gonna their shipping times look way faster if that's what the shipping times was we didn't get to try that because they sent it to us so kind of make your own just make a buyer's decision there if you really want yeah you probably don't need two of them no to be honest so if you just want't need two of them. If you just want to get one of them, that's that link we added. Then we got right to OnePlus Nord.
Starting point is 00:11:49 It's finally out. We can just talk about it. Now, the review's embargo. You guys will see a review a little bit after this podcast comes out. So, again, this isn't a review. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that impressions video sort of made everything official. video sort of made everything official and i i think this this nord is the most well-rounded package next to iphone se at the same price so for those who don't know the price it's not coming
Starting point is 00:12:14 to north america but it's 399 euro 27 999 rupees for starting and then there's that's the 8 gig 128 storage version then there's a 12 gig 256 model which is 499 euros and i think 29 999 29 999 rupees so it's a well-priced phone yeah for sure well when i say well-rounded i mean like basically every single spec of this phone is like an a minus where they're not trying to blow you out the water with 120 Hertz display or anything crazy, like in one big category, like a huge battery, but everything there is an A minus the screen. Let's start there. 6.4 inch OLED, 1080p, 90 Hertz, pretty thin bezels, a little pill cutout at the top. First time OnePlus has ever had dual selfie cameras, but it looks like a pretty good screen to me. You get to the cameras on the back. It's the same,
Starting point is 00:13:10 well, I could rant a little bit about the cameras, but it's the same main camera as the OnePlus 8. So it's not quite the best. It's not an A plus. It's not like the flagship best of the best camera in this budget, like you might find in an iPhone right now, but A- probably. It's getting pretty good 48-megapixel shots, 12-megapixel binning shots, 8-megapixel ultra-wide. It is technically a quad camera layout, so you also have a 2-megapixel macro and a 5-megapixel depth sensor, but I'll probably rant a little more about that in the review. I'll get to that bottom line is if you shoot with that two megapixel macro and then just turn it off and
Starting point is 00:13:51 switch to the regular camera and shoot with that and crop in a little bit just just think about that just think about how you might think that would look and then wait for the review um the processor qualcomm snapdragon 765g i mean it's not the 800 series but that's about as good as you can get without the 800 series yeah um 8 to 12 gigs of ram maybe that's a plus i mean you don't yeah that that's that's one of the things where like if you compare to se you're like okay that's going to i mean yeah well anytime you go yeah it's very hard spec for spec but this is one where it's like a very big jump in spec. Yeah, I think eight gigs of RAM for 399 is pretty nice.
Starting point is 00:14:29 It's pretty wild, yeah. And then the battery, it's 4,115 milliamp hours, and it has the warp charge 30T brick in the box, so you're getting fast charging. There's no wireless charging, but that's pretty good. That's A minus. It's not like some crazy 5,000, 6,000 milliamp hour cell, but that's about as good as I'd expect for that price. So I'm looking at the whole overall
Starting point is 00:14:50 package, fingerprint reader under the screen, dual selfie cameras, pretty good battery, pretty good screen, like memory specs, everything at this price seems like a lot of phone for the money. And I think right at the end of the review i think is the best summary of it which is the reason people wanted one plus to come back to this price point is because they're pretty good at it they're pretty good yeah i mean it's what they built their entire company off of this was like made what made one plus one plus put them on the map yeah exactly so it's cool seeing them go back but it's also funny when they make that like this statement about how they're trying to bring a phone back to that
Starting point is 00:15:30 price when it's like it's like they're recreating their origin story which is yeah and then the name did you read the name reasoning i did not so nord uh is it translates to north and so they want to use this nord line as their like north star, as their like guiding principle, as they go back to like leading by example in this space. It was a whole, like they really got into the Nord north thing, which fine. I don't know if I get that at all. You know, every brand does this where they go over the top in some areas where you're like, so why did you the power button on the bottom instead of the side and they're like well we really thought about the way the human hand is designed and you're like no you didn't you just put it at the bottom um so sometimes that stuff gets a little carried away but hey they're leaning in so here's a pretty
Starting point is 00:16:18 good phone for that price again full reviews coming but i think it's pretty good yeah it's got 5g it's got 5g 5g that's all we want these days right yeah all right so we're gonna hop into content we liked real quick this is a super fast one but i know it's one both of us enjoyed um yeah and it's updating a content we liked that we mentioned episodes and episodes ago probably last year uh so meta i think both we can both agree our favorite podcast episode maybe ever is long distance uh by reply all which goes over alex goldman from the pile goes two episodes really deep into like an indian scamming phone center and it's just like super fascinating to see how far he goes and how much he annoys
Starting point is 00:17:03 this and all this stuff that happens but three years later because i somehow that episode's three years old uh he has some updates for it he has a couple corrections because he found out some new information since that's happened and then through that gets back in contact with some people bring some updates from the old episode so if you haven't listened to the original episode we're talking about it's called long distance one and two i think it's episodes like 102 and 103 my favorite podcast episodes i've ever heard it's like it's legitimately not only the episode i tell people to listen to if they want to listen to reply all but if i know people who don't listen to podcasts yeah those are the two episodes i tell them to listen to
Starting point is 00:17:43 and they're they're all listened to podcasts now so yeah uh super good really good update episode probably like 30 minutes long so real quick road trip or something pop it on and and you'll get some interesting uh yeah updates for it i also have some content i liked okay i have a little there's a youtube channel uh so the nba by the time you're listening to this is right around the corner from coming back okay and so there's all these questions about like so they're playing in this bubble in like disney world yeah okay that's where it's in disney world in florida right can can i interrupt you there and just talk about the vast difference between how they're doing it in disney world in florida which is gotta be like the least safe place yep and hockey is doing it
Starting point is 00:18:27 except the two hub cities and hockey are both in canada because of how much better canada's doing with a great idea so i just find that funny i've also seen some really funny videos of nba players and like the meals they're getting and well that's what this is okay okay yeah so the so there's a i think he's a rookie but a player on the Philly 76ers He was essentially vlogging life in the bubble Okay, and I feel like this when we look back at this as far as trying to figure out like what happened in 2020 What was the experience like I think we should we should save this this guy's precious Okay, so he's editing his own vlogs
Starting point is 00:19:00 so he's an NBA player but he's making these vlogs from Inside the bubble and you get all this perspective on like how they set up the hotel rooms and like the wristbands they use and all the precautions they take as they go through practice and workouts and actually meeting with people to and you really get a look at like everything the NBA is doing a lot it's pretty clear they're spending a lot of money to make this as safe as possible um but he's a couple episodes in now Matisse thibel we'll link it in the show notes because it's hard to spell and pronounce but that that channel i think we're going to come back to this as like you know food for thought and like our kids are going to watch
Starting point is 00:19:35 this in like history class what they're learning about maybe or maybe we just like if something crazy happens in the bubble we'll look back at like how the nba was doing because the nba is not telling people publicly like how this works so i think this is the type of inside look that i felt like it was cool to share so matisse stibles youtube channel keep it up man the vlogs are good i'm gonna have to watch that i've only seen i guess i never knew where they came from but i've seen videos on like twitter of like a guy who like didn't get silverware with his food so he was he was like do i have to use the lid for this to scoop it out and yeah it's just you you feel like you're you're part of that life that's what vlogs are for right yeah i feel like you're you're in that perspective
Starting point is 00:20:15 um also quick tesla update because i don't think i've talked about tesla yet today um there's an electric article by fred lam on, basically they're calling it Tesla's secret project palladium, which is a new model S and model X that are coming that potentially use new batteries, have longer range, have triple motors and are like the, the new model S and X. Okay. Um, I'll link the article. It's an interesting read.
Starting point is 00:20:42 You don't really have that much like concrete information. It's more of just like they're working on new drive units. They're working on, this will have a new battery. It is essentially a plaid version, like a lot of code speak and not a lot of like numbers or anything like that, which is fine because the product's not out. But I just, I just found it an interesting read. And I also feel like every time I buy a new product from them, they immediately make a new one to make mine outdated. So this is perfect.
Starting point is 00:21:11 This is perfect. So we got all that. It'll, it'll all be linked below. Is that the hardest thing about owning a Tesla is knowing that it's going to get better or I feel like it's either, it's going to get better very very quickly or there's going to be a price drop on it like immediately. I know Quinn all the time is like, I wish I waited one more month because it dropped this. I wish I. You know what? For me, just because I'm so used to buying tech, I have to be comfortable with the idea that the product I buy is eventually at some point going to be outdated. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:42 I just I complain. Maybe I shouldn't so much but i complain because the timing is usually like tesla does tons of minor updates so i'll i'll get you know i'll get my car and then two weeks later they change the seats and the headrests are better i'm like oh well you know that happens when you buy tech but like it'll be a major, major new thing. I remember I got my first Model S and then a week later, all new autopilot hardware to permanently set the future for the vision system in Tesla's. I was like, well, that's pretty rough. Okay.
Starting point is 00:22:16 It goes a little bit wrong with the timing there. But I think once you get in, you have to be comfortable that what you're getting is what you want. And that's fine. Do you think Tesla will ever go a route where like you see so every other car manufacturer, no matter when you buy your car, the next year something is going to be updated and you just know that. But generally those companies have a plan in terms of like generations of things.
Starting point is 00:22:38 So I know I know Subaru the best and I know that the majority of their cars every four year gets like a generation update it's kind of like buying a phone yeah that way I guess do you think Tesla ever will get to that route where like the the major generational upgrades will be x amount of years away and you'll kind of know more so am I going to wait an extra year and go the big jump or am I just gonna get this minor upgrade and then and understand I don't think so okay i think tesla is so based on the development of their tech that if they set like goals for themselves or public goals where there's going to be a new one in x years yeah then they're going to get to a point where they're like rushing things to finish it by a certain time and then they'll
Starting point is 00:23:20 miss out on stuff and then it just won't be as good as it could be i think tesla's strength has been ignoring like those you know paradigms that have existed in the audio industry for so long where like they don't need to do dealerships the way everyone else does they can push a software update to your car like they do things different so i think you know having the model year thing works for some and i i don't think it's necessarily the the best move for tesla to switch to that so i think they'll just keep updating things as the tech gets better cool yeah but uh we've gone a little a little bit let's take a break and then we'll come back we'll talk about some note 20 stuff we got a bunch more phones and then you know that that whole twitter hack thing that happened we'll talk about that too be right back
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Starting point is 00:25:43 hasn't seen the leaks yet. And he just asked me if we could do Note 20 first because he wants to find out. So. This is what, I, look, let me just say, before we get into this, I usually am pretty on top of leaks, right? I've seen, we got the invites to Samsung's events, we're gonna have our hands on, all that's gonna happen,
Starting point is 00:25:59 but I just feel like the Samsung stuff has gotten so predictable that I see some of the leaks and I just sort of like mentally skim it. And I'm like, yeah, I know what it is. And I just I don't know something about this one. I just haven't paid too much attention. This one, I wouldn't say there are that many huge surprises, but there are a couple of ones that you wouldn't expect. And I think could be an interesting topic of conversation. All right, let's see.
Starting point is 00:26:21 interesting topic of conversation. All right, let's see it. Can we say the biggest thing we were wondering is if we heard about the Note 20 Ultra, if we were debating if there's going to be a Note 20, a Note 20 Plus, and a Note 20 Ultra. If that would be a thing. Yeah, so it looks like two phones.
Starting point is 00:26:35 I think Ultra is just the Plus. Okay. And then there's going to be a regular one. So we'll go over both of those. What do you want to do first? Ultra, I'm guessing. Sure, let's do the Ultra. The big one.
Starting point is 00:26:46 The good one. So I have everything listed out here. One thing to note is these are German leaks, so we don't have Snapdragon. We have Xenos chip. Oh, Exynos. Yeah. Exynos.
Starting point is 00:26:58 Is that how you pronounce it? Exynos. Yeah. I probably shouldn't know that by now. So it's sound scene. So 6.9 inch, 14 1440p 120 hertz with an infinity hole punch yep not surprised by that gorilla glass 7 honestly what's the difference between gorilla glass 3 4 5 6 and 7 you'd really have to explain it to me and and maybe i'll notice but i
Starting point is 00:27:17 probably will just see it as stronger glass 108 megapixel main camera sounds about right 12 megapixel ultra wide 12 megapixel telephoto okay primary camera will record 8k okay that's about what i expected periscope style lens 5x optical 50x space zoom samsung decided to drop the 100x space zoom oh okay honestly that's fine yeah nobody was missing that it sounds weird but i'm almost more excited for 50X. Well, you could already do 50X. It just wasn't the furthest. Yeah, true. I'm hoping that means that they focused a little more into getting the 50 times a little nicer.
Starting point is 00:27:52 But I'm not going to expect anything out of a 50 times zoom. Right. The thing I said about the 100X is like, don't ever go to 100X. But the fact that they've engineered it to be able to go that far means that at 50x, it'll be a little better than most others maxing out at 30x, you know? So I guess that's fine. I think we talked about zoom as more of a, like, if you are zooming in that far, it is more to prove that you saw something rather than, yeah, like, aesthetics. So, okay. Reverse wireless charging.
Starting point is 00:28:22 Yup. In-screen fingerprint reader. Sure. Exynos 990, 12 gigs of RAM for that German version. Sure. 256 or 512 of UFS 3.1 storage. That's about as high end as you can get. Nice.
Starting point is 00:28:35 Micro SD card slot. Was that gone in the previous note? No, I think it had it. Because we're talking about how you could get it to like a terabyte. Oh. You could get it to, because they have terabyte micro SD cards now, right? Yeah, so it'd be like a terabyte and a half or something crazy wild um it's good that they keep doing that i mean that's maybe one of the last flagship phones like at this level left that has expandable storage so that's cool uh okay first phone with optimized cloud gaming by a
Starting point is 00:28:58 project x cloud neat i guess that's a little microsoft collab yeah so you get like 90 gaming titles through xbox game pass and they're calling it a portable gaming console which i'm sure that'll make asus happy uh no yeah that's just kind of like x like the arcade feature yeah it's some it's something that sounds really cool and i'm sure like i don't know i don't think it's gonna that's anything that's gonna sell this phone, to be honest. It's a nice perk, though. 4,500 milliamp hour battery that will go from flat to 50% in 30 minutes with the bundled charger. Sure.
Starting point is 00:29:33 4,500. Yeah, that's fine. And then your S Pen, 9 millisecond latency, same as the Apple Pencil. That's great. That's great. I think that is the most underrated spec bump to this phone right i'm curious what the latency number was before i think i was reading somewhere around and i'm not exactly sure but i think it was 26 oh wow i mean just apple pencil i think i heard the theoretical best limit or or like latency you could get on 120 hertz screen was eight so if they are within
Starting point is 00:30:07 one of that you are very close and we talk about apple pencil just being hands down the best it's incredible touchscreen pencil so if they're at the same latency it has to be very close and that is if you like the s pen i feel like this is a huge upgrade. Yeah. I remember actually the latency was pretty great on the previous S Pen. I remember scribbling around with it and being like, yeah, this is really tight. But at the same time, when you say Apple Pencil, that is gold standard level. I don't even need a stylus. I don't have any good use for it. My handwriting is trash.
Starting point is 00:30:41 I can't draw for my life, but I an apple pencil and i keep it on my ipad and i'll use it anytime i get the chance so yeah that's that's that latency number which just basically brings down the the lag between when you're touching the screen and when it's responding on the screen so that's cool i think people were also saying how or maybe not people but the leak article was talking about how that could be beneficial and be playing into this uh like project x cloud and gaming stuff and if you're using a stylus for stuff like gaming having a lower latency is potentially well you're using styles for gaming about that as for gaming but i guess i don't think people use a stylus for gaming do they i don't know what people
Starting point is 00:31:20 actually game on i also don't know what people really use this stylus for besides i guess s pens notes i mean like i'm trying to think of the way you like i know people play fortnite on phones which is wild to me because that game on a pc you need like 800 keys to play it because there are a thousand different things you can do yeah maybe like in terms of the shooting part having a pencil is a little more touch accurate because instead of like your big ass thumb pressing it maybe like you're like extra precise who knows okay well i mean i mean i'm all for lower latency i'm literally everything so so then 5g yup and wireless wireless dex connection nice pretty. Pretty cool. Okay. So I think the bigger, weirder surprises are on the regular Note 20. Okay. Because pretty much all of Note 20 Plus or Ultra that I just read was like
Starting point is 00:32:12 what I was expecting. Yeah, exactly. I think that's why I think the S Pen is still a really cool update that people aren't going to really pay attention to. But if you compare it to Apple Pencil, I think that's where it shines. But okay. So for regular Note 20 now. Regular Note 20. Okay. So it says here, vanilla model will come with a flat screen, as we remember before, but also change the metal sides, rails. The side rails are metal.
Starting point is 00:32:36 Oh, and a plastic back. That's different. A plastic back. Why would they switch to a plastic back that confuses me you can do wireless charging and everything you want on a note with glass and the note is not a cheap phone so i'm i'm a little that's another interesting thing we don't have prices here yet yeah that's what makes this section very interesting does this look like we're gonna see the regular note 20 have a huge price decrease or is the ultra gonna
Starting point is 00:33:06 have a giant price bump and they're gonna make a big gap between both of them i'll make a prediction after i read the rest of this because i kind of have a thought on this sure okay so note 20 will also have 4g and 5g versions with the former being ever so slightly cheaper yeah okay 6.7 inch 1080p super amoled with a 60 hertz refresh rate that is a big difference between the top model and the versus uh what was it six physical size worse resolution and half the refresh rate wow so like that is a completely different screen okay all of this is feeding into my theory about the new note so okay, okay, great. Under-screen fingerprint reader, sure. 8 gigs of RAM, 256, no microSD card.
Starting point is 00:33:49 Okay, yeah. 12-megapixel ultra-wide camera, 64-megapixel 3X camera. I don't think there's a primary camera mentioned here, but probably... Oh, sorry, 12-megapixel primary and a 12-megapixel ultra-wide. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:34:04 Both 12. Mm-hmm. Wow, okay. wow okay 64 megapixel 3x zoom 30x hybrid zoom 4300 milliamp hour battery which will go from 0 to 50 in 30 minutes with the adapter in the box wireless charging reverse wireless charging and the old s pen with 26 millisecond latency okay wow that is first that was a little more surprising than you were expecting, right? Yeah. So it was interesting. When the notes came out last year, for the first time, it went from here's our big phone
Starting point is 00:34:34 and our even bigger phone to here's our note and here's our small note. Yeah. And I think our biggest argument with that is that the smaller Note should have had the same specs. And you should have just gotten to pick the size of the specs that you wanted. Because their prices were similar. Yeah. Okay. So I think this is Samsung trying to cozy you up to buying the bigger one by giving you like...
Starting point is 00:34:59 I mean, they're going to sell a lot of the smaller one because it's probably, based on what I'm reading, going to be significantly cheaper. Hopefully. Hopefully. going to sell a lot of the smaller one because it's probably based on what i'm reading going to be significantly cheaper if you have this hopefully but i mean if you're going this much different if you're going 60 hertz max refresh that's already saying something about the phone where you're just not willing to spend the money and do 120 hertz on this phone where you're not going to do the the full-on 50x space zoom you're not going to do the new S Pen. All this to me screams like three, $400 price difference, hopefully. Okay. And then you kind of position the Note 20 Ultra or Plus right next to it. And you're like, but look at what you could get. And that's, that's fine. I feel like that's, that's just having a cheaper version of this phone available for people who are going to get like a cheaper Note and get into the Note thing and really like it and then get the more expensive note the next year that's one way
Starting point is 00:35:47 to do it but yeah it's like a different way of doing note if you're basing prices or if you're assuming prices are three to four hundred dollar difference than what if you had to guess two prices right now uh okay so if i was guessing i would say that Note20 Plus will be $1,199, and this Note20 is going to be $899. $899. All right. My theory on people who will buy the Note20 is every time we've mentioned who uses an S Pen, we have people reach out,
Starting point is 00:36:21 and all of those are generally contractors, landscapers, like electricians, people who are doing stuff inside households. Like, I don't want to say handyman because that I don't know if that lessens the experts who are doing like manual labor on houses and stuff and need to be able to show their clients firsthand what they are doing. So if you're a landscaper, you're going out to the backyard, you can snap a picture of it, draw what you want to do with the shrubs, add trees, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:36:51 There are a lot of people who use the S Pen there. I don't know if all of them are gonna care. Like if I'm doing manual labor like that, I probably don't want a $1,300 phone in my pocket while I'm doing it. So that smaller size, I don't care about 120 hertz when it comes to that. I don't care about the resolution being insane. Like I don't care about 120 hertz when it comes to that i don't care about the resolution being insane like i don't care about all these other things i might
Starting point is 00:37:09 care about a micro sd card slot if i'm doing that many jobs but i could see this the cheaper version being better for the uh the construction worker right the people who need that that s pen on the field so i agree with all of that. And if all of that is true, most people we're hearing who use the note are this person and this cheaper note is better for those people, then who's going to buy the more expensive note? I have a harder time figuring that out
Starting point is 00:37:40 besides just saying tech enthusiasts. But as much as we like to think there are millions of tech enthusiasts because we deal with them all the time like i that doesn't seem like a big enough sales market to like really focus on but interesting uh you never know and the thing is is no matter what price any of these are at when it gets into a carrier store they're the ones who have salesmen who are going to decide what sales and when you break these things down into monthly payments like on a carrier service everything changes because then it doesn't seem like a four or five hundred dollar difference it seems like a twenty dollars a month difference i'm just so open to that this
Starting point is 00:38:19 plastic back thing is really i think i want to see what it is because i'm i think that i think we need to know more than just that it's plastic i think there's something else to this like if there's some some design that's enabled by it or some extra durability or something why is it plastic or a big price cut like a really big price yeah because i could see if you took the think about this take the name off of it and you know take the samsung galaxy note branding off of it and you just see the specs by any manufacturer that's 60 hertz 1080p oled 8 gigs of ram 12 megapixel camera 4300 milliamp hour battery that could easily be a pretty inexpensive phone like i'm trying to imagine a note coming in at like $699, $799. Is that what we're going with?
Starting point is 00:39:05 If it could be coming at $699, I think that would be wild. That would be interesting. That would be really nice. So what's the last plastic-backed phone we've really seen in here? Was it Pocophone? Did we have another one since then? There's been that, yeah. It's kind of rare at this point because even the budget ones that are getting good
Starting point is 00:39:23 are trying to get to metal and glass. You know what's funny? The OnePlus Nord, the rails, I actually misspoke in the video. I said it was metal and glass. It is glass on the front and back, metal buttons, plastic rail. Really? Yeah. So that's a little.
Starting point is 00:39:38 I did not notice that when I picked it up. Exactly. So that's like one way to say like if if we're gonna get a plastic back on this phone it seems like a lot of material but you know plastic rails okay the last time we talked about plastic back though we were kind of mentioning that like in when you're thinking of budget phones and phones that are trying to cut prices like plastic back is something we wouldn't have minded yeah it's a bad rap you're putting it in a case you're putting a skin on it you're they're not awful looking backs either.
Starting point is 00:40:05 Samsung might even bring us one that looks super similar. It doesn't get fingerprints. It might be something. This could be a way that we're seeing mainstream big companies bringing a plastic back. And maybe people are going to really love it. Imagine a world where we've always had glass backs and we're suddenly realizing, wait, what about this all new revolutionary material that's less breakable, that's more durable, doesn't get fingerprints, still wireless charges, and is cheaper.
Starting point is 00:40:36 I also have to bring up the last time we talked about plastic backs, you and I both had a debate on if wireless charging worked in it. Oh, it definitely does. And we were very, very wrong. I don't know why that blank were very very wrong there were so many things we missed like the fact that people with plastic cases on their phone and it still works yeah but i still get tweets every week of people who must be going through the backlog and listening like hey just wanted to let you know blah blah phone had a plastic back in wireless
Starting point is 00:40:59 charging or yeah hey you total moron like i put a case on my phone and it wireless charges you probably do too so you know plastic works so yeah huge mistake on our part maybe maybe plastic backs is the way to go maybe that's what we're gonna find out with note 20 2021 plastic back iphone we'll see we'll see we'll keep an eye on this phone um i had a great segue but we went way past it i'm gonna go i'm to go all the way back to it. So you know how you were saying, we were like, who's going to buy the Note 20 Plus or Ultra? Speaking of who's going to buy this phone, boom, ROG Phone 3 sitting right here in front of me. Wait, I actually don't think I've held this. So I just reviewed the ROG Phone 3.
Starting point is 00:41:42 Quite possibly, I mean pretty confidently right now, the most maxed out spec sheet you will ever see. Not ever. You have seen ever up to this point in a phone. That's facts, right? It's a 144 hertz, 6.6 inch screen. It's an OLED. It's got the fingerprint reader under the glass. It's one of the first phones with the Snapdragon 865 plus Which clocks up to 3.1 gigahertz in a phone? 16 gigs of RAM 8k video 64 megapixel camera 6000 milliamp hour battery dual stereo front-facing speakers
Starting point is 00:42:25 six times larger heat sink inside, RGB glowing logo on the back. I mean, did I miss anything? Like this phone is packed to the gills. Now, here's what I'll say. Really interesting emissions in this phone because we've painted this as a gaming phone and the enthusiast, the ultimate like no lag, no latency phone. There is no headphone jack built into this phone because we've we've painted this as a gaming phone and the enthusiast the ultimate like no lag no latency phone there is no headphone jack built into this phone this year which is fascinating to me but i think that's kind of weird i kind of gave it this
Starting point is 00:42:54 pass because in the box it includes this adapter this little fan cooling thing where as you're gaming you just plug this thing in and it gives you a headphone jack another usb type c port on the side and a little kickstand and it pops up and boom you're gaming so i guess it comes with something to make up for that in the box already it also has a dongle but i don't know i feel like you could have built that in to the phone which that was kind of a weird omission to me yeah especially because the battery size doesn't change at all uh it does have 5g though right it has a bigger modem has 5g yeah that's probably gonna be where they're saying they potentially i didn't i didn't reach out to them and ask why no headphone jack but that was that was the assumption same footprint though of the whole phone it's also missing an ip rating and
Starting point is 00:43:39 wireless charging so that's you know it's not those are ones that we weren't know, it's not the full. Those are ones that we weren't that. Yes. It's not awful, but. Yeah. I just want to also say the Razer laptop I'm using right now has 16 gigs of RAM. The MacBook Pro I'm using right now, which costs a couple grand. Oh, it has 64 gigs. Jesus. Yeah, you're probably bumped out there with. I've been living a life with all this RAM.
Starting point is 00:44:03 But yeah, that's just it's a crazy spec sheet for a phone now i can't tell the difference between 120 and 144 you can't i thought i could and then i started going back and forth more and i think that was a placebo i don't think i can actually see the difference now i'm not mad they made it 144 yeah i i think if you were to, I think I've mentioned this before, but I think a difference between 120 and 144 would have to be on one specific thing you are super, super in tune with. And I think like when it comes to people playing games six to seven hours a day, and then like, so when it comes to like a first person shooter at 144 Hertz, like 120 to 144, you might notice a little different. And that's if the game supports it.
Starting point is 00:44:49 Cause some games just won't. Yeah. Well, yeah. And on phones, almost no games support that. I don't, it would, it's kind of like how you, you're so used to 24 frames a second and 30 frames a second. Like most people probably wouldn't see a huge difference in that. But when you get really used to both of them you one looks a little weirder for me the calibrating was on the ui like scrolling through the app drawer and like multitasking and like opening and closing stuff and that's where i really appreciate high refresh
Starting point is 00:45:14 rate and that's where i i think i would be able to best tell the difference and even in that i was like it looks great at 120 looks great at 144 um i think the most incredible thing about this phone was i left it at 144 so max frame rate and i got i got two legit full days that's wild they were they were light days to be fair but i've never gotten but a light day for you is probably a fairly regular day for most people it ended up being um so i had i played some golf and i had a gps app on the phone and i did navigation with ways and there's random social media happening but that was like two days of that and i had six hours of screen on time at the end of two days two full days at the end of like 9 30 p.m i had three percent battery at 144 hertz that was to me
Starting point is 00:46:03 it was like dude if i ever want to go a weekend i'll just set it to 60 and i will not have to worry if you want to go on vacation for a week and you forget your charger you'll be good man you'll be good yeah and then every time i think about something like that i think about how they wouldn't even hard set the pixel 4 to 90 hertz because it was killing the battery too fast so to be fair they have a they have an auto setting on the Pixel 4 to 90 Hertz because it was killing the battery too fast. To be fair, they have an auto setting on the ROG phone where it will pick a frame rate for you based on what's going on.
Starting point is 00:46:31 And I think that would save some battery. I just wanted to lock it at 144 because I was like, I wanna use all the Hertz. Give me all the pixels, please. So I did, turned out pretty good. That phone, the review is up. It starts at $1,000 and it's just absolutely packed so anyway that's that's about it let's take another quick ad break and then we'll come back and we'll talk about bitcoin we'll talk about twitter
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Starting point is 00:48:19 Ambition is on the inside. So that thing you love, keep doing it. Drive your ambition. Mitsubishi Motors. Okay, welcome back. Let's get into what happened on Twitter last week. So I was on Twitter when all this was happening. I was not. I was following your updates on Slack.
Starting point is 00:48:44 Oh, man. This is wild. So I'll just let me just tell the story of what happened from my perspective and how I was feeling as it was happening. OK. OK. Stage one, Elon tweet. This is like chapter one. Right. So I'm on Twitter as I you know, I just have a Twitter app open and there's this tweet. Oh, I wonder if I can find I just want to read the tweet but it was something along the lines of hey i'm feeling really generous in these covid times i just want to kind of give back so here's what we're doing send me any bitcoin you want to this address i will double it and send it back to you here's a bitcoin wallet string of characters only doing this for half an hour go and so this has like been a before it hit that for like the last two or three years what people would do would they would change their profile
Starting point is 00:49:31 picture and their name to elon musk and tweet after every elon tweet directly underneath it would be a fake elon saying pretty much the exact same thing i'll double your money because i'm rich and send money to this bitcoin account yeah then it got to the point where they were hacking people with check marks but they were usually very small verified ones and then they would change all their stuff to look like elon again and try and pull the same stuff so this is like the the mecca of this right this and elon elon you know he tweets all the time but he's tweeted about like you know crypto in the past he's tweeted random stuff even since this has happened. But when I saw this tweet, so this is chapter one.
Starting point is 00:50:10 I'm like, well, OK, this is textbook. I got hacked type of tweets. Yeah. Which makes me think it could also easily be Elon trolling. One hundred percent is what I thought. And then like half an hour later, he'd be like, you guys are all idiots. I just sent all your money back. What are you doing?
Starting point is 00:50:25 But like, I don't know. Something about this to me was like, it could conceivably have been Elon tweeting this. And to me, I just talked up to, this is a dumb tweet, but okay, whatever. Let's just see what happens. Off the rails again. Yeah, a little wild. He's been known to be a little wild on Twitter. So, okay, fine.
Starting point is 00:50:41 So that's chapter one, right? so okay fine so that's chapter one right literally i want to say like two minutes later bill gates account on my timeline because i follow them both tweets the exact same thing and the second i saw that i was like oh wow that's that's a that's a kind of a big deal so somebody at some point got access to both elon's account and Bill Gates' account and tweeted the same thing. Now it seems like people are actually going to maybe fall for this. Like Bill Gates? Of course you're targeting billionaires' Twitter accounts where they'd believe they'd send you back money. Bill Gates, very philanthropic, donates money all the time.
Starting point is 00:51:22 You know what? Maybe this is legit. very philanthropic donates money all the time you know what maybe this is legit now you're saying bitcoin doubling is going to be the next bill and melinda gates oh my god letter this is also the thing to me i saw this happening and there is people using essentially uh like trackers to be able to see like how much money was going to these accounts and yeah you know money starts piling in people start sending this this account money tons of transactions in, zero dollars out, people keep doing it anyway. And in my head, I'm like, what type of person is smart enough to have a Bitcoin wallet and see that string of characters and know what to do with it, but also dumb enough to see that tweet and send it to a stranger?
Starting point is 00:52:03 It's a weird, they, they have made bitcoin way easier like stuff like coinbase makes the whole but you know what i mean though like yeah like people like why would you even get bitcoin in the first place like if you're that savvy that you're gonna get into it at all and then you see this tweet and you're like i know what i'll do with my bitcoin now based on how much that got sent there we know there are quite a few people yeah there's some people i have it i have it down to that wallet in the first couple hours made almost 13 bitcoin which is like 120 000 also it kept going so chapter three was you know uber's account jeff bezos's account apple's account joe biden's account bar Barack Obama's account, and it just keeps going and going and going. It's like the absolute pillars of the most followed people on Twitter
Starting point is 00:52:52 with the biggest followings or the most money, whatever it was. And you know what's funny? Tossed in there just for fun, Mr. Beast's account. I missed that. Mr. Beast, the only non-politician billionaire on that hacked list was Mr. Beast. Okay. I did not know that, and that changes the way I think about this so much. Now I'm wondering, I wish we could track where the dollar amounts came from based on who saw whose profile.
Starting point is 00:53:20 Oh, God. Because Mr. Beast is a totally plausible one. He gives out money all the time exactly that's why they that's absolutely why they went to his account for that it would have they would have been so much smarter to only go after mr beast's account and not made it yeah elon and mr beast would have been the two most likely i think as far as whose audience probably fell for it the most monetarily it it's probably the two of those. But yeah, once you start seeing this,
Starting point is 00:53:48 like Apple's account just doesn't even tweet. So as soon as you see that, you're like, I know for a fact the at Apple Twitter account has massive security behind it in some way. This isn't someone hacking an account. This is someone hacking Twitter. So once you see that and you're like all right well i guess anyone's account's vulnerable they're just going down a list pretty sure anyone could i
Starting point is 00:54:11 could just see any anyone tweet this on my timeline it would be fine i think some people were poking fun at it too like yeah send me bitcoin too but uh yeah 100 100 something grand ended up going to this wallet and disappearing it's bitcoin by the way i think i've i think i tweeted don't send bitcoin to strangers as like uh not only did the escobars try this but you shouldn't send bitcoin to strangers um so that's i guess chapter three or four or whatever it is chapter five is twitter locks uh tweeting from verified accounts So obviously a lot of the targets to these attacks are verified accounts. So there's a little moment on Twitter,
Starting point is 00:54:50 and it lasted a couple hours, where verified accounts could not tweet as they were fixing the problem internally. And also another, so allegedly as they figure this out, parts of this scam are that they would go in using this internal tool at twitter that they'd gained access to and they would like reset an account's password gain access to it and tweet from it and so the natural reaction i guess when you see that
Starting point is 00:55:17 happening is to reset your own password because wow i'm a verified account and people are getting hacked right now let me just change my password i didn't but people who did that also got locked for longer because really they saw accounts with verified checks resetting passwords and they got even more like naturally yeah locked down about that so there was a little moment on twitter where it was just no blue checks and everyone was having a free-for-all and it was kind of hilarious that's really funny i can't imagine how many uh conspiracy theorists were freaking out that their account was shadow banned or like actually banned or something like that i'm sure there was some wild stuff going on until they realized it was just a hack yeah and then yeah eventually eventually everything's calmed down but i think a lot of these accounts like haven't tweeted since
Starting point is 00:56:03 as they're like being probably forensically investigated internally to like figure out exactly what happened but i think basically they want to know like what was exposed because people once you get access to an account you have oh yeah everything or dms you have dms you have whatever that you know the apps that are connected to it whatever you have a lot of stuff so yeah, whoever, the people who did this clearly had a plan. They just- Did you see how they're suspecting it happened?
Starting point is 00:56:31 Essentially, the way Twitter has described it is it's some sort of social engineering where they were able to convince someone at Twitter to give them or sell them access to this tool, or they just ended up hacking an account of someone at Twitter. There's an article that sort of goes into this a little bit more. I found another thing, though, that was saying they somehow got into a Twitter Slack channel
Starting point is 00:56:54 and credentials were posted in a Slack channel. Oh, wow. And that got them access to some sort of tool that not necessarily let them get straight into the accounts, but let them change the email address associated with the account. So then you can do a password reset to an email account that you have access to already there, which seems wildly unsafe.
Starting point is 00:57:16 Like you just have credentials. I mean, and it doesn't surprise me like to have a shared credential or something in like a... Slack is generally pretty secure, but if someone gets... You're just adding another way for someone to get in and then you don't expect something like that. So that's not great.
Starting point is 00:57:35 I do have a Medium article from somebody who... I forget exactly who they were, but somebody who is, who owns an account that is like a very big verified account. And they were worried through all of this and they just wrote a really, really good write up about kind of everything that happens and how they think it all went down. We'll post that in the show notes. Yeah. But yeah,
Starting point is 00:57:59 now there's, there's like a, I think everything's basically back to roughly normal since all that's happened and i guess that's like chapter five is like return to normal twitter verified accounts can tweet again yay everyone's back but also uh lesson learned twitter is probably going to be looking into this for a while because this is i think the i would call this the biggest account compromise publicly probably of all time like we've seen a lot of private data breaches and things like that a little different where there's like you know x million accounts
Starting point is 00:58:32 but like when the head this the headlines are so obvious it's like oh barack obama just pick any like three or four names from that list and just say these people all got hacked and it's it's obviously not exactly what happened but now now that's what, that's embarrassing for Twitter as a platform. With some of the, like the scope of the P some of those people and DMS, because if we're assuming they're just, they reset a password, that means they're physically going into the account and most likely have access. And I'm hoping that some of those people are not doing classified information kind of conversations and DMs. Yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised by some of them.
Starting point is 00:59:13 When you have Elon's and Bill Gates and Barack Obama's accounts, that's a lot. I feel like Bill Gates is not DMing a lot of people, but I am sure elon musk is dming a lot of people and probably sending some yeah crazy stuff that he doesn't i mean there's probably yes yeah that there's there's a lot of stuff that could possibly and i'm sure those people are very worried about what could potentially be out there um yeah so that's i think that's what that's twitter's job now is to go back to investigate to find out all the buttons are pressed and all the things that were viewed and whatever is compromised and to do their best to mitigate that but yeah that that happened that was a lot now one of the the other things that we were talking about was like okay one of the one of the most obvious big accounts that didn't
Starting point is 00:59:59 tweet this was donald trump's account the president's account and my theory is there's probably like one extra layer of some kind of security in front of that account right because if you wanted to maximize your bitcoin money you would also tweet from that account no yeah i mean my other it's like a weird i don't know i don't know enough about security, stuff like that. My initial thought was that if somebody were to go after the president, no matter who the president is, you're just opening yourself up into a way bigger investigation. You are automatically just like FBI,
Starting point is 01:00:40 they are on your case right off the bat, I feel like. Whereas this interesting most likely something like that's going to happen but if you're going to attack a sitting president i think you are in you full stop you are going to be investigated you're going to be going to find you very very quickly so right so the level of crime basically when you go from all of these other i know jeff bezos apple even joe b, who's running for president, former president. You know, you get to all these levels and it's like, I guess technically you could tweet crazy things from their account and not get in federal trouble. But once you add the president's Twitter.
Starting point is 01:01:20 Yeah, I would imagine. I'm not an expert at law in any way. But I imagine you open yourself up to you know you're gonna get caught like when you do 17 18 accounts or whatever it is you know you're gonna get caught so you're just doing it as long as you can and just getting away with as much money as possible yeah i think when you know you're gonna get caught you just want to remove that level of like federal prison probably if that's something they'd consider uh i don't know it was just like a i was just waiting for it because obviously the joke on twitter as it was
Starting point is 01:01:51 happening was like it's only a matter of time before your account and probably you were gonna be i was worried yeah in any way are you upset that you weren't cool enough to no no i think i i thought that at first because i saw i saw him going down the list and as soon as i saw mr beasts i was like oh oh we're here now okay like because i saw i saw all the politicians and all the billionaires and i was like well that's uh yeah that's what you would expect to to try to scam people is like use use their accounts because they're full of money but as soon as they went to i think i saw it when they did apple's account because like apple's not a person and they're
Starting point is 01:02:31 not like the type of like hey i'm sending money to my community like feeling generous you know what i mean so when i saw apple's account i was like all right they're just going for highly followed highly engaged accounts yes and then after that was MrBeast's account. And so to me, it was like, oh, I guess it's anyone. I guess, you know. Let's theorycraft here. Okay. If we were those hackers and we wanted to pick the five YouTubers accounts that we could.
Starting point is 01:02:59 Five YouTubers? YouTubers, not other social media. So YouTubers, potentially people we know. Who would be the best five accounts to try and make the most money? So who's got the most? I mean, MrBeast is clearly number one. So they picked that one correctly for
Starting point is 01:03:14 multiple reasons. Follower account and generosity. And habits of philanthropy. Yeah. Okay. We have to go next. You'd have to look at other YouTubers who giveaways a lot, I think. Yeah, in that sense. Or I guess just like fan base maybe like people who would potentially fall for that and i don't want to make too many assumptions but yeah because i don't know look i'm looking at the youtubers and i i think i can sort of craft like what i think their audience is i think there
Starting point is 01:03:38 would be some some gaming personalities who would be good to go after especially and i'd say fortnite players uh they generally have a younger audience and a younger although younger audience might not have bitcoin so there's there's a lot to think about here but right that's the thing you have to think about who actually is going to have bitcoin ninja would be a great one because oh yeah his following is insanity on twitter and on youtube and and on twitch or mixer wherever he is now um yeah yeah he would be a good one to go after a younger audience um i just always whenever i think of big youtubers i just always think of casey nice dad so and kate it wouldn't surprise me if casey just came out of nowhere. Actually, right now...
Starting point is 01:04:25 Feeling generous. Ethan and Gila are giving away money every day. Oh, true. Actually, they're probably just finishing that up, but they just did 100 days of giving away money. So H3H3, probably not bad. Yeah, that's a lot. I think that's actually around...
Starting point is 01:04:40 I think that's four or five right there. Yeah. Jeez. Well, it happened like i think now those four accounts get hacked you know andrew and marquez are behind for sure right no the the moral of the story is number one bitcoin don't send bitcoin to places where you might not want to get it back yeah that's like i don't send bitcoin strangers if you're paying in bitcoin there's a think about why yeah think about why i think that's the that that's the moral of the
Starting point is 01:05:10 story if you're sending bitcoin to someone think about why um that's number one and then number two uh i don't know have two factor on protect your account have a strong password use a password manager all that stuff is smart don't post your credentials in slack don't post your credentials somewhere uh and uh if you work for twitter just uh stay safe out there you know that's that's basically it no it was it was a really it was a wild moment on my timeline and i was just i was just kind of watching it unfold because at that time i was in the studio. They were installing like the vinyl on the wall. And like I asked them, I was like, are you guys seeing what's happening on Twitter right now?
Starting point is 01:05:50 And I think Matt, who was like on a ladder, like putting something on the wall was like, I just saw you on tweeted because he had notifications on. I was like, yeah, I saw that, too. I just let him not know the rest. But yeah, it was it was a crazy time. And I think we'll remember that in the in the vast scheme of things that have happened in time and I think we'll remember that in the vast scheme of things that have happened in 2020. I think I'll remember that one. I think I'll remember that one. That's the most important thing that's happened in 2020. It's a lot.
Starting point is 01:06:19 Okay. I think that's a great place to go off the rails right at the end of this episode. Yeah, sure. I think that's about it. I i mean we'll be back to you guys with probably a little more regular next episode but we're gonna talk there's i think we're right on the brink of smartphone season we're getting there where we're gonna have because it's about to be august we're about to have probably finally like the pixel come out we're probably gonna have that uh we're definitely gonna have that samsung event with a bunch of hardware and then bixby speaker and then phone after phone comes out we're doing an entire episode on it absolutely two hours of bixby speaker two hour live special um but i think we're right on the horizon of that i'm trying to look up sorry we're right on the horizon of one year of the podcast as well.
Starting point is 01:07:07 Oh, really? I'm trying to look it up because we started late July, early August. Oh, yeah. So let's see. 50 weeks. Smartphone season was August 9th. Our next episode will be on August 7th. All right.
Starting point is 01:07:19 So that will be the last episode of the first year of Waveform. Let us know how you think we're doing. Yeah. And if you have feedback, this is the most random winding path of an episode, but let us know what you guys think on Twitter at Waveform if you want to tweet at us. We went everywhere from 12K camera to OnePlus Nord
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