Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Episode 100: Tesla Cybertruck Reactions, 5G vs Planes, and Q&A!

Episode Date: January 28, 2022

It's our 100th episode! First Marques and Andrew have Adam on to unbox the YouTube plaques and react to the Tesla Cybertruck. Then they bring on David Imel for a 5G C-Band explainer and a Q&A. It's a fun one and a classic Waveform episode! Links: Tesla Cybertruck video: https://bit.ly/32E2z5b Twitters: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/AdamLukas17 https://twitter.com/DurvidImel Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Shop the merch: shop.mkbhd.com Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And we've got Adam here today with us as well because we're doing a little bit of a special episode 100. It's been a long time in the making. It's not our 100th ever episode, but it's our 100th video waveform podcast published, something like that. That's how we're treating it. It's our 100th video. I don't think so.

Not quite. It's not even our 100th video? No, no. What is it our 100th? It's our 100th episode. There was like the original episode that or, like, the announcement episode, and then technically there's, like, one more bonus episode that was just, like, the full uncut interview of something.

So this is, like, our 100th published episode. Yeah. Regularly scheduled episode. Welcome to our 100th regularly scheduled episode. We feel pretty good about it, though, because we've got some special things lined up. But we're going to talk about the new 5G rollout and how it might affect your next flight. Kind of a weird topic, but it's a fun one. Also, some new images and videos of the Cybertruck have popped up that we haven't seen yet.

So we're going to react to it. And then we're going to end up with our first Q&A of 2022. So it's a good one. But first, episode 100. We happen to time this perfectly. Or maybe you guys time this perfectly it's a bunch of time

I personally had everyone subscribe at just the right time so we would get these it's pretty sweet these are our YouTube plaques

for the channels and there's two of them because let's not dox ourselves with these labels you probably can't read them I'll play them it's not 4k yet

just more work Adam has to do there are two there is a YouTube waveform channels I probably can't read them. I'll play them. It's not 4K yet. Just more work, Adam. That's the deal. There are two. There is a YouTube waveform channels plaque, and there's also a waveform clips channels plaque because you guys are smart enough to be subscribed to both of them and got them both over 100,000 subscribers. So we're taking them out of the box.

This is fun for me because I've actually never in person held the new style of YouTube plaque. And this probably goes all the way back to the beginnings of like how I feel about YouTube. I tweeted one of Hank Green's videos earlier this year. And I said like YouTube is kind of an anomaly at how well it treats creators. And I got tons of replies like, what do you mean YouTube treats creators well? They treat everyone like garbage. Maybe they treat the best creator as well. I'm like, no, it's kind of a relatively, relatively speaking, like what other

platform does most of the things YouTube does aside from all of the AdSense and sharing revenue. But having a plaques rewarding people from achieving certain subscriber milestones, I don't remember TikTok doing that or Facebook or anything else like that. So it's just another example of something YouTube doesn't have to do, but they do. All the plaques that I have are from an older generation that look different. Oh, geez. They're older and thicker and- And heavier.

Heavier. At least the million one is. That thing's like 40 pounds, I feel like. Yeah, they streamline the process a little bit. So let's take a look at these. Let's get the 100,000 subscriber waveform clock. No, you open it, man. You're the one editing all these videos. I mean, you streamline the process a little bit. So let's take a look at these let's get the hundred thousand subscriber Well, you open it man. You're the one editing all these videos. I mean you don't do both Maybe we'll let Marquez do the other one, but you do the honors of the first. Yes first one Can you see that on camera? Nope, I'm gonna have to play that. Okay, cool. Perfect opening opening There's a nice little letter here. Congratulations on your subscriber milestone

We are honored to take part in recognizing your achievement and want your experience to be exceptional. This award was inspected and packaged with great care by Rick. Thank you, Rick. Shout out to Rick. Appreciate you. Thank you, Rick. Appreciate it. We got the nice little letter here, hand-signed by Susan, which is cool.

CEO. Nice. They can see that. And then this one's for the Clips. So Waveform Clips Channel for passing 100,000. So it's the silver. nice they can see that and then this one's for the clips so waveform clips channel for passing a hundred thousand so it's the silver so they the way they do it just for those unfamiliar is there's a hundred thousand subscriber plaque it is silver there is a one million subscriber plaque when you add a digit that one is a little taller and gold and that is very shiny that's

awesome that's nice. That's lightweight. I haven't seen the city. Congratulations. You dude, you've you, you're the one who got the video. Like without you video doesn't happen right now. So I mean,

don't make me blush. Obviously the podcast has been going on for a little longer, but like since videos come in, we've seen great numbers from it. I mean, the channel has been blowing up. It's been doing really well. And,

uh, can I hold it? Hopefully it's well deserved. It's nice. It's light's light yeah it is very light it's like a really solid quality feeling plaque while still being light and like not terrifying to hang on your wall and just like rip drywall screws that's the problem with the million one that you have the million one that i literally can't hang yeah literally weighs 40 pounds i'm not exaggerating like how do you hang something that weighs 40 pounds so uh this is niceating. Like, how do you hang something that weighs 40 pounds? So, this is nice.

This is nice. Have you seen the What's Inside video where he cuts it in half? No. They cut one of these in half. Solid metal. I'm curious what was in it. It's just more, it's more alloy.

This is, you can see it's hollow through the holes in the back. Yeah. The actual total thickness of this is only a fraction of this. Oh. But, you know. No, nice. Still cool. Let's pop the other one out this is only a fraction of this. Oh, yeah, you know no nice still cool Let's pop the other one out. So we can see both of them. Yeah clips, baby

I mean, I guess we kind of saw the a knife guy. Can we borrow that got you fam? Knife on the latest EDC video in the studio channel That's not I thought that was an open blade for a second opener up. Yeah, you hold this one I thought that was an open blade for a second. Open her up. Yeah, you hold this one. Hold my plaque. Hold my plaque.

Audio listeners, thanks for sticking through this because this must be kind of chaotic. I'll cut out the dead air. This one is also packaged and inspected by Rick. Oh, nice. Rick is the man. Thank you, Rick. We're also going to be doing the studio one soon as well, so I wonder if we'll be three for three on Rick's.

Oh, yeah. Did they come at the same time? Yeah, they all came together. They could all be from Rick. He actually, I think, ordered it a couple days beforehand. But we got all of them at the same time. I wonder if they do kind of like batches of them. Oh, they spelled it wrong.

No way. Just kidding. I got you guys. I was literally on my way in and I was telling David, like, I really hope I didn't make a typo on these. Yeah, they do ask you what you want to put down here so wave oh yeah because technically we still haven't fixed it yeah but I think on our YouTube channel it's wvfrm podcast and then waveform spelled out clips yeah we do have so we wanted to make them together we have the full waveform url slash waveform so

that's nice yeah so yeah oh good I like that this is actually like 3d here like mirror and then a little extruded play button in there it is like an actual mirror like i can see yeah i can see nice that's cool sweet those look awesome all right so next a million next a million we're working on it make sure to share before the two for the 200th episode you're one million oh 200 no we could hit it before then we could probably hit it before that i hope um i believe it's up to you do you want to just hang out with us and react to the cyber truck oh let's do it because i've seen it and i have you oh okay okay uh marquez and i specifically tried not to watch these i mean

we've obviously seen cyber truck a new walk around video came out yeah there's some new extra pictures a couple things that have changed. I've avoided watching the video so far. Yeah, I've seen some thumbnails. But I've seen the headlines. And basically what's happening is the Cybertruck was announced on stage. And kind of like how you know when you see the concept car and then you see the final shipping car, there's always differences.

Some are very far apart. Some of them are pretty close, like Porsche Mission E concept. Oh, nothing. It's relatively close to the Taycan taikan it looks it looks better than they got yeah they got the wheels right they got some of the stuff so like this is uh a natural expectation of cyber truck on stage versus cyber truck that hits the streets on stage we did not see mirrors uh what else the the the wheels are pretty crazy looking like there's a bunch of questions about what the final cyber truck is going to look like plus a lot of talks by elon

about how they're going to make it smaller so should i just click on the video and just watch it we'll see what's going on what should we do watch it on your screen you want just three two one and press play okay yeah let me open the url first i did it already is the youtube one youtube one yeah the link i put okay i'll press play in three two one play so it looks like they're indoors okay right off the bat those are like the arachnid wheels right they don't look like they don't match very well nope they look too small but they look more like wheels than the concept wheels the concept wheels almost looked like they went to like the edges i like the concept wheels yeah yeah the wheels on the concept looked way sicker this looks like a guy in a factory he's got a hard hat on he's just pointing out a prototype this

guy got fired okay so we've got i see the cameras in the a-pillar i see no door handles but i do see side view mirrors yeah very standard mirrors look at the size of that windshield wiper crazy okay the windshield wiper is the one thing i saw that i am very confused about um smokes it's just a singular windshield wiper they're going along like the front of the truck now it's very flat honestly from the front i kind of dig it i've never been a huge fan of this truck just to say i think if you look at a truck they sort of they built the bottom third of the bumper out to be plastic, so it's not steel all the way to the bottom. It's got a bumper bumper, and then it's the steel or whatever. Yeah, that's probably a safety-related thing.

Quote-unquote grill or grill area. It's still such a triangle, though. It's kind of strange because the window looks almost seamless up to the front quarter. Okay, this windshield wiper looks like it's like five feet long and it's one singular the amount of torque coming out of the like motor of this thing probably is like a nissan leaf motor like that's how much power it probably serious windshield wiper i'm very interested in it yeah it's gonna take that much to move it okay so i've seen a bunch of different windshield wiper versions.

Like you see like two that come, how do I do this? Two from one side that wipe next to each other, or you'll see like overlapping windshield wipers, or you'll see the bus ones that go next to each other. Whenever you have one huge windshield wiper on the shape of a normal windshield, you're missing part of it. So if this is on the driver's side, like the passenger is just not going to get very much. Yeah, that's not that big of a deal if you're driving i guess um but like a lot

of times you'll see one big one and then like one small one to kind of like pick up the kind of um but this one giant one seems also does it was it defaulted as like up did you notice that yeah it's just at the side of the wind it starts at the side rather than starting at the bottom yeah i don't know it must take so much force to pull that back up while it's scraping across the windshield i mean i know it's not like a ton of friction but it literally needs friction in order to work oh he's going it looks like the back on the back truck there's a couple uh places for like ratchet straps or being able to tie stuff down to the back of the trunk i think that might have been a button for the cover really the tonneau or whatever it's called

from the other car yeah is are the tires small or is the car big yes definitely both uh the cyber truck is massive yeah so i think these are big wheels, but compared to the size of the Cybertruck, they're not very big, as you can tell. I'm going to pause just because he's done a full 360 around. We've gone all the way around it. There's still no door handles I've noticed. I don't know. Did you see Elon's response to that?

No. He said, sorry, now I need to, because it was very similar to along the lines of like, all human input is error. Of course. Oh, you know what this also reminds me of? There was a bit of a more complete roadster looking thing floating around. I think it also had a giant windshield wiper or two.

I think they also had to do something about the mirrors. And I remember when we saw the roadster prototype, and this is still very prototype because there because there's no Roadsters out. You could slide your finger down on the A pillar and it would unlock the door and pop it open. What? Seems like it would fail all the time, right? Because we've had the Mach-E here before

which doesn't have a real handle but it's got this little scoop thing in and you can sort of touch that and it pops the door open two inches and then you pull it out. Cybertruck seems like a ruggedized vehicle you'd want like manual handles on but it doesn't have any handles in this video they're really sticking to it yeah there's still no handles i yeah so wait how would you does it just sense when you're walking i think that's what it pops it open when you come up it's supposed to open for you whatever you're just like passing your car

this is a model x issue if you walk up to the model supposed to open for you. What if you're just like passing your car? This is a Model X issue. If you walk up to the Model X with the key in your pocket, you can set the setting for it to auto open the doors. So you walk up to the, actually, no, that's not true. You have to hit the button. You have to hit some side of the car thing. So on the Model X, you walk up to it. As you get close to it, it unlocks.

Then you press the handle and it automatically opens the door all the way. You get in, you put your foot on the brake, and it closes the door all the way. That's cool. So that's cool when it works. Yeah. It brakes all the time. But on model and on the Cybertruck, it seems like they want to do this, like, touch interface on the side of the car.

So he said, in the end, we kept production design almost exactly the same as the show car, minus those giant mirrors, but whatever. Just some small tweaks here and there to make it slightly better. No door handles. Car recognizes you and opens the door. Having all four wheels steer is amazing for nimble handling and tight turns. Oh, four-wheel steering is cool.

Yeah, it is cool. But the car is going to recognize you and open the door. Well, unlock or open? It says car recognizes you and open the door could you unlock or open it said this says car recognizes you and opens door imagine that door swinging open into huge steel door toddler or another car or traffic i mean at least if you hit a shopping cart it's not damaging the door it's just launching the shopping cart probably across the parking lot i don't know why the visual of a toddler being flung across the floor today it's that's terrible i worked at a restaurant once and a kid walked in front of the kitchen door and got

slammed pretty hard and i can only imagine that with the cyber truck door but this is this is pretty wild speculation on how hard it opens i'm assuming they have some sort of camera because doesn't um model x have something like that where it's side doors that come up it like can judge how far a car is away from it falcon doors and it's got cameras but also ultrasonic sensors so if it can tell that it's going to have to open a certain amount out it'll actually change the path of the door opening so it doesn't hit anything okay that's cool um yeah i don't know i think elon's tweet of saying the car recognizes you might be like a fancy way of saying like your phone is your key and when you get close to it it'll know it's you i don't know if it's gonna have a camera looking

and identifying people on the street being like oh it's me yeah your owner and then you open the door i don't think it's that crazy but yeah i you know door handles are useful that'll be a pretty tough one i would like door handles the side mirrors on this still feel very prototypical it feels like they know they have to add them, but they just kind of added whatever on. It doesn't feel like it fits with the rest of it. So we've had a couple things about door handles. Number one, it to me looks kind of like F-150 mirrors.

Like they're just basic mirrors. That's exactly what I was going to say. This does not look like an F-150. Yeah, the mirrors just look like a standard truck mirror. Yeah, basic truck mirrors. The other thing is I asked Elon about the mirrors not being on the Roadster, and he said this about Cybertruck as well, which is like, okay, by law, we have to install them, but you don't have to have them when you're driving.

The law is about manufacturing, not about driving on the road. So they can make very easy-to-remove mirrors and actually add cameras and the solution they actually want you to use in the car but include the mirrors just for shipping so you get the car and if you want to remove the mirrors you could just pop them off and use the cameras theoretically yeah so that's that's what he said about roadster to me that's what he's implied about cyber truck to many others neither of these vehicles ship i don't know that any other car does that years ago he said that right right and i think that's still the rule, but I've never seen a vehicle ship without, well, in the U.S. without mirrors.

There are some that ship with cameras where the mirrors were, but that's not in the U.S. So, again. That windshield wiper is really throwing me off. It's huge. Like, if you're in the passenger seat and you're driving through somewhere scenic, you're just not going to see anything. Yeah. passenger seat and you're driving through somewhere scenic you're just not going to see anything oh like if it doesn't i mean i think that reach yeah you can kind of see the where it wouldn't hit um unless does it just come all the way across like does it stay vertical if any company would over engineer the heck out of a windshield wiper, it's Tesla with the Cybertruck.

That's the kind of innovation I want to see. I want a sliding printer-like windshield wiper. Final thoughts on this? It still looks like a Cybertruck to me. I think on the scale of concept cars versus final shipping cars, if I give the one on stage a concept car view versus the one we're seeing now, it turns out to be what ships. This is actually relatively close to what they originally showed.

That being said, it still looks like a Cybertruck. It still looks crazy. It's going to be a sight on the road. It's going to be a presence on the streets. And it's going to be, yeah, it's going to be a Cybertruck. It's crazy. Insane. Yeah.

I don't really like it I prefer out of the whole concept car versus this car that's out now I much preferred the concept car just because it looked cohesive even if

it's not the final version like this just does not look cohesive it looks like they copy pasted the top of the concept car and pasted it on to a Ford F-150 or

something I think they changed the tires on the final by this I feel like this is I think they're pasted the top of the concept car and pasted it onto a Ford F-150 or something. I think they changed the tires on the final by this. I feel like this is, I think they're going to make some sort of rim to go with Cybertruck. Because this looks like, those are just arachnids, aren't they? Or what are those new? They're probably bigger than normal, but yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they're going to make some sort of wheels.

I'm sure they'll make something with some sort of aero cap on it that will probably look, the concept one had kind of like an aero cap feel to it um i don't know i'm this is cool i guess it's different it's like gigantic which i really think everyone underestimates driving i can't wait to see it in person basically i can't wait to see it i'm going to be terrified when these and the hummer evs are on the road like there's going to be way more of these than the hummer ev according to pre-orders oh yeah i think there's going to be i'm far more excited about like the rivian over this for in a personal aspect the rivian also has this how do you feel about the bar headlight i dig it because i mean i don't dig

this whole design but i like a bar head the barlight. When I'm driving in front of a car with bar headlights, it's a mixed feelings experience, but I think they look sick. I love a bar taillight. Always have. Yeah, it's hard right now because not many are doing the standard bar headlights. So a lot of bar headlights you could see are aftermarket

where people are like assholes. Oh yeah, people put on their roof, they'll put a bar or whatever. Yeah, and that's way brighter and then it just sucks driving. And then it's at the wrong height. Yeah. No, I'm decently into the design.

Originally, I did a video on why we're getting a Cybertruck because we wanted to get one as a camera car because all the stuff we've shot, we've shot a bunch of car videos in the past, and we found, like, okay, we've shot out the side of a minivan. It's kind of convenient to have the sliding doors. We shot out the side of a minivan it's kind of convenient to have the sliding doors we shot out the back of a pickup truck that's cool you can hang the movie out at different angles and stuff like that by movie you mean brandon both for sure brandon's the arm holding the stabilizer um and to us it was like oh cyber truck is kind of the

best of all the worlds you can have somebody hanging out the side you can put somebody in the bed it's going to be silent it's going to be just as fast as any car we want but we've we've actually uh worked on a much better solution very recently and now it's it's back to just being like we have one on order i can't wait to shoot this with that oh yeah audio listeners the cyber truck with what we just hooked up oh yeah what um spec did you get on it? So the triple motor. Just because we presume those will ship first. Okay, what was the one,

there was a cheaper version, right, that now people don't think is going to come out? There was going to be a dual motor and a single motor. Okay. And I think the speculation is that they're going to cancel the single motor or it'll be a very late shipper that eventually gets canceled. I bet it gets canceled completely yeah so the highest performance most expensive ones will ship first i also would guess that most people who ordered a cyber truck just

went to the top not most people i think a lot of people who ordered a cyber truck went to the top and that gave them incentive to just convert or switch switch the order and just ship those first. Yeah. So I wonder like in terms of going to the top, it's increasing like your towing capacity or like torque and stuff like that because how much, and range, I guess, right? And range, yeah. Okay, because like I think most people when it comes to like pickup trucks now,

they're going to the top because they want the more, it's an interior thing that really changes when you're like on an F one 50 and you're going from like the, I think it's like the Lariat to the like whatever King ranch or something like that. You're getting like some crazy interior and then like, cause you're like living in your truck pretty much. These will all be the same. Yeah. These will be, you get a yoke.

They all have a yoke. They all have that like weird. That sounds like so much fun for towing things when you have to like really be specific about turning around uh they have that weird marble countertop thing they've got about that yeah they've they've got two rows of seats they've got the three in the front three in the back thing happening and although the middle is like an armrest that folds down bench front seat yeah it's been a while since that's been yeah i remember i remember, I remember shooting this video and like looking at this, it's just a countertop with a yoke and like a center screen, like a model three to center screen, but bigger.

So yeah, they'll all have the same trim, but yeah. If you go for the highest end version, you get yet towing capacity range and a faster zero to 60. Yeah. Faster. What everyone's dying for. What is the faster? Let's see.

The Cybertruck triple motor. Think of how many more estimates you can make at your blue-collar job with your truck if you can go 0-60 destroying anything in your path. Get to the next job site real quick. Destroying everything. 2.9 seconds. Oh, my God.

The triple motor Cybertruck is at least quoted. The Rivian is 3, right? The Rivian is three flat. It's absurdly fast. Yeah. I mean, they give us a horsepower number. The Rivian is quad motor, 800 plus horsepower. It's a fast truck.

Yeah. It's smaller too. It is small and nimble. The Cybertruck is going to be big. Elon says nimble, but like, you know, even with four wheel steering, it's a big truck. Yeah. It can be nimble for its size, but when you're that size, it's hard to be nimble.

Yeah. Yeah. Model three is like what? Four something, four point something. They get into the threes. Yeah. With the performance models.

Yeah. So this is faster than that. Twice the weight, just as fast. That's insane. It'll be interesting. Ah, seeing it on the street,

man, these are dangerous. That's what it comes down to. I'm going to walk to work. You start seeing them on the highway. Nope. I'm out. That's what it comes down to. I'm going to walk to work from now on. You start seeing them on the highway. Nope, I'm out of here. No, I'm good. All over to the shoulder.

Yeah. All right. Well, that's a little stainless steel unboxing and stainless steel truck. How about that for a segue? But we got to take a quick break and we'll come back and we'll talk 5G and stainless steel tubes in the sky. Thank you. Off to the final buzzer. You're always taken care of with a sportsbook born in Vegas. That's a feeling you can only get with BetMGM. And no matter your team, your favorite player, or your style,

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I'm always just showing up. On the podcast. Somewhere. Sick. Yes. No, I'm not sick anymore. Not sick. Oh, that's good.

Perfect, perfect. And we're here to talk briefly for a little bit about this weird 5G headline I keep seeing. Yeah. And then we're going to do some Q&A. But I need to understand something. And you allegedly can explain this to me. Allegedly. I would love to hear what's happening.

So I have a screenshot of Good Morning America tweet. Oh. It says, airline execs warn that new 5G cell service could cause catastrophic disruption to aviation industry. Okay.

All right. So this is actually really interesting because i had we had firsthand experience with this believe it or not uh we had the motocrane guys fly out here and their first flight was canceled not due to weather but due to a 5g rollout i didn't know that flight was canceled so they actually had to come a day later because of that so this this is actually canceling flights but maybe you can explain what the deal is, why this 5G is suddenly getting this new tag. What's up?

Okay. So specifically, the spectrum of 5G that we're talking about right now is called C-band. Okay. If you look at the entire radio wave spectrum, you go from about 3 kilohertz to 300 gigahertz. And that's a very wide spectrum, right? So in the past, we've had 2G, then 3G, then 4G. And effectively what that's doing is that is shortening the wavelength of that wave, which can have a higher power level, right?

Higher bandwidth, et cetera. Higher bandwidth, more data, faster data. But it goes shorter distances the shorter the wavelength that you have because it's higher power, it's being absorbed by more things, it's being blocked by more things. Yeah. So, you know, you think of AM radio and it goes super far distances, FM goes a little shorter, and then you've got 3G, 4G, that kind of stuff. So, we talk about 5G, right?

This has been a big topic in our field for, like, five years now. They've been talking about 5G, right, this has been a big topic in our field for like five years now. They've been talking about 5G. Now they're already starting to talk about 6G and all this stuff. We'll get there. Yeah. So as the mobile internet evolved and the internet evolved in general, we decided we need better downlink, better uplink because now we're sending like 100 megabyte files to each other. Just all this stuff. Uploading 8K videos.

Yeah, exactly. We're sending like higher resolution stuff constantly. So then we started rolling out, okay, we're going to roll out 5G. Now there's three sections of 5G. Right. There is low-band 5G, and there's millimeter-wave 5G, and then there is mid-band or C-band 5G. And we did our 5G explainer video a while ago

where we sort of explored the pros and cons and sort of saw what low- and mid-band 5G were doing and then tried to get millimeter-wave 5G explainer video a while ago where we sort of explored the pros and cons and sort of saw what low and mid band 5G were doing and then tried to get millimeter wave 5G. We had to literally stand like feet from the tower. Drive to Rhode Island, right? Yeah. Well, we had to go find a tower first. Yeah. And you have to have line of sight. Had to have line of sight. We went around the corner behind a glass wall and it cut out. Rain can allegedly block millimeter wave. So mid-band is in between low-band and millimeter wave. Yes. So the big reason why I think a lot of people think that 5G is like a fraud or a lie

is because when 5G first rolled out in the U.S., it was mostly low-band 5G. Verizon has been very adamant about pumping their ultra-wideband thing, and that's like a big reason why they call their phones UW at the end is because it has millimeter wave capabilities. But again, you have to be in front of this millimeter wave tower to get that access. So most of the general 5G that will show up on your phone that will say 5G is actually low band.

Now, the thing about low band is that it's around the same frequency as 4G. So people see the 5G logo on their phone, and they do a speed test and they're like, this is like the same speed, if not sometimes slower. Because sometimes it's in a lower spectrum and it's like, it can be slower for a lot of people. So then people are like, this is stupid. What's the deal with all this infrastructure? Then you got mid-band. Now, mid-band is what a lot of people consider the Goldilocks band for 5G because it's that in-between where it still goes decently far, but it also has a lot higher speeds. So basically, T-Mobile was one of the only companies

that really had a lot of mid-band spectrum, and it acquired a ton of big band spectrum when it acquired and merged with Sprint. They had all this spectrum. Verizon and AT&T didn't have that much. Up until now, Verizon and AT&T being like, 5G is great, 5G is great.

Specifically, AT&T, remember, they would always do 5GE, 5G evolution. I still have that on my iPhone. Which was like low-band 5G that was about the same speed as 4G, which is why people were so annoyed. Yeah. So basically, recently, and in a lot of other countries,

C-band has been deployed for like a year already, or maybe even more than a year. And it's already been deployed at airports, which we'll talk about soon. But there was this auction in the u.s with the fcc that basically allowed this bands to be sold to different carriers so up until now that mid-band c-band area was being used for satellite tv okay so that started in the 70s but recently they decided that they could put the satellite TV band in a much more finite spectrum of C band because the technology got better that

they didn't have as much like spectrum leakage. So they could just say, okay, we could put this in this really fine frequency. And at the same time, people are cutting cords that maybe don't have to service as much of the band anymore they don't have to have as much of the band so the FCC got that back and then they auctioned it off and Verizon and AT&T specifically spent a lot of money to acquire a little bit of mid-band because they don't really have they didn't really have like any mid band before this. So Verizon spent 45.5 billion dollars billion to get 161

megahertz of spectrum which is not even that much. And then AT&T bought 80 megahertz of spectrum for 28 billion dollars. Yeah. T-Mobile spent like the least they only spent 10 billion to flesh out spectrumrum they already had

because they already have the most compared to they could have just bought Activision yeah these are like similar to Activision prices 10 Instagrams go on so if you look at this here is a chart and we'll throw this up I'll talk about it for the audio listeners

and we'll throw it up for the video watchers this is the average network speeds of the three carriers over October 2020 to October 2021. And T-Mobile is just sort of that Model S plaid taking off while everyone else is left in the dust. I've never thought I'd say this, but T-Mobile is looking pretty good right now. Yeah, they're looking pretty good. Okay. So their average speed has gone way up. It's around 200 megabit, maybe a little higher.

It's kind of hard to read these graphs. They try to make these graphs pretty annoying and interesting. So the drama with the FAA is that they were concerned that the mid-band spectrum, specifically the C-band spectrum, which operates in a very specific area, they were worried that that would mess with their altimeters, spectrum, specifically the C-band spectrum, which operates in a very specific area, they were worried that that would mess with their altimeters, which is something that helps you land a plane. Altimeters, yeah.

From what I understand, in my limited experience with altimeters, is it tells you how high you are. Yeah. Which is pretty important. It's pretty useful for a plane. Pretty important. So, obviously, anything regarding public safety and public health and airplanes is extremely highly vetted. And they just didn't want any possibility of this becoming a problem.

Now, the crazy thing is that this auction happened very recently. It happened in 2020. And then there had to be time for the satellite TV companies to clear out the spectrum. be time for like the satellite internet company the satellite tv companies to clear out the spectrum but verizon actually paid an extra eight billion dollars to get the satellite tv companies to clear out their spectrum faster so there was just this incredibly fast ramp from we're not using this frequency for widespread data usage and we are using this frequency and so the faa was like hold up. If you break all our altimeters, our planes will

not be safe anymore. There's going to be this major issue. So they got in this huge spat. They basically just hadn't tested all of their altimeter. That's a very hard word to say. It is. All of their altimeter altimeter. Altimeter equipment to make sure that it wasn't going to

interfere with their spectrum and cause noise and delays and stuff fair so they did agree to delay the rollout of c-band by two weeks to give the fa time to test a lot of equipment and sort of certify it for different planes um the problem was within that two weeks not everything got tested i think they said like 60 of planes and equipment had been certified that it was not going to interfere. Okay. But there were still like 40% that they hadn't certified yet. And the airlines are going to be very careful with their equipment.

They also came to a conclusion that they're just not going to put C-band towers within two miles of these airports. That was going to be my next question because you mentioned like C-band, mid-band towers within two miles of these airports that was gonna be my next question because you mentioned like c-band mid-band goes much further than millimeter wave but not as far as low band right i'm wondering okay how far is that because if you have a tower right yeah on the airport like obviously don't turn that one on for now but if it's five miles away from the airport is that far away c-band goes about half a a mile. Okay. I think that's what they're doing, right? There's like, there are like 50 towers that they're not like voluntarily

not setting up or not rolling out. Right. Yeah, yeah. So there were all these towers that they were going to put at airports because obviously people just want good data everywhere.

Especially at the airport, by the way. Yeah, right. Isn't like the whole use case for really, really high bandwidth 5G, like, oh, I'm about to not have internet for a while. I need to download something real quick. Like the lady who's about to go down to the subway station and goes,

let me just download a movie, boop. And then she goes down to the subway with like a freshly downloaded audio book or movie. Like when I'm at the airport, I'm downloading all my albums and all my podcasts that I want to listen to real quick. So like the airport's the one place I want the 5G to be good.

That's always the use case that they use for Millimeter Wave 2, right? It's just like, look how fast you can download Netflix shows. Yeah, and honestly, like the main use case for low band is just to take off network congestion from 4G. Like that's the main issue.

Because if you've ever been to like a concert or a football game or something and it says 4G LTE on your phone, but you can't get any data through because the network is just so congested. So by opening up more spectrum, even though it's about the same speed, you can offload some of those users

that have 5G capabilities onto the 5G spectrum, and that way the network's not as congested. You have more like checkout lanes for the customers, right? So, but the problem was they marketed 5G as this revolutionary technology, and then low band was like, this is just 4G again, and millimeter wave was like, one millionth of the people on the planet can use this, and so everyone's like, 5G is a lie. But mid band, and specifically C band, is like a really good area where you get that benefit of 500 to 600 megabit downloads.

Verizon advertises you can get up to one gigabit on it. But again, that's ideal scenarios, and that's peak speeds, which is different from average speeds, as we learned with the horsepower thing. Yeah, so that's kind of the whole thing. So planes got delayed. Planes had to be grounded for a little bit. So there was a couple types of planes or whatever that didn't finish getting tested and verified. Yeah.

So out of an abundance of caution, they canceled some flights. Yeah. Maybe not the, quote, what did they say? Catastrophic disruption

that we thought it could be. Planes did not fall out of the sky. It is Good Morning America. You can always count on a little extra spice on the headline. But,

okay, that makes sense. So I guess- I thought they had you on the Today Show. They might not have you on Good Morning America. They did. I was on the Today Show. They might not have you on Good Morning America. They did. I was on the Today Show.

I talked about Blackberry, another spicy one. It was a good time. No, yeah, that makes sense. I guess the question is, and there might not be an answer to this, but are they going to finish testing everything? Are we going to find out, oh, C-band's totally fine, altimeters all work, planes don't drop out of the sky? Yeah, so that's the funny thing is C-band has been rolled out

in so many other countries, Australia, Korea, China. It's like 40 countries. 40 countries for like a year, and they have no problems with this. I think in a lot of those countries, they also decided not to put in their airports just in case. Okay. So there's some legit concern somewhere. Yeah, I mean like every radio instrument uses spectrum, if there's interference or leakage it could cause a problem. Like the altimeters that most of these planes use do have backup spectrum that they use in case there is interference.

And that is limited to just their stuff. I think it's like 220 megahertz or something is limited to exactly the altimeters. So they should still work but anything regarding public safety, and especially airplanes, people are just like, hold the phone here. Make sure it all works. Which makes sense. All right.

I'm glad we got the explainer. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you. So if you have a 5G phone, hopefully you'll start getting better speeds because Verizon and AT&T flipped on their C-band switch on I think the 19th? Yeah it was like a

week ago. It's about a week exactly a week ago actually. It was Wednesday of last week. And when they say turn your phone on

airplane mode you really should turn your phone on airplane mode. Yeah. Like do it. And if you have 5G you're the reason all

the planes are crashing. Yeah. I was actually looking that up yesterday. I was like why does airplane mode exist? And it's basically the same reason.

Now in Android 12, when you turn on airplane mode, it doesn't turn off your Bluetooth. It's either in Android 12 or in iOS 15. It's been both, yeah, for a little bit. Because I always notice that because I always have my Bluetooth headphones on. And every time I want to stop downloading, I turn on airplane mode and then I have to turn Bluetooth back on. And probably about a year ago, it just stopped turning Bluetooth off.

It's just like, yeah, you're good. And it's funny because if you go to Apple's website and their page on like, what is airplane mode? They say this is a toggle that we use to comply with FAA regulation, which is kind of like a backhanded way of saying like, we have to do this. Yeah. It just turns off your cellular radios pretty much. Yeah. And your GPS. Cool.

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ask on Twitter for you guys to ask a bunch of questions. We asked what you wanted to know. It's been a little bit since we've done a Q&A. I've actually been thinking about doing more Q&A stuff again, but we wanted to do some on Waveform. Mac heard me say, all right, and he is now staring at me. Ready to go.

What's going on? 5 p.m., buddy. Yeah, we're just going to answer some questions from you guys from Twitter. So I'm going to open the tweet and find some, and we can just get into it. We have a bunch listed already, too. I could just hop right in. I was trying to give the impression that we're doing this live. Just kidding.

I just opened Twitter and found a bunch of let's just check some tweets out you know let's just check them out we didn't we like to put a little bit of effort i haven't actually seen them yeah it's you know they're live for me i have the first one and this is a question we get asked all the time so i think this is the best place to just put the nail in the coffin um genuine question why do you guys wear headphones? To hear yourself, won't that be annoying? I've been watching the content, been listening to the podcast since the beginning.

Thank you so much. Why do we wear headphones on the podcast? Yes. Basically to monitor our levels and to hear what you guys hear to make sure we're not too far away and start sounding like this or we're starting popping and making weird noises directly into the mic,

we can sort of monitor ourselves. And sorry for audio listeners that I had to demo that. I mean, there's also other things. We work in an area that has a lot of outside noise, so sometimes rather than continue on a really long train of thought or have Adam have to tell us to stop, it's easier to hear that then and just know, like, maybe I should give this a second and we'll wait for that noise to go. Also, unless you're David who just talked through two trucks driving by,

you'll probably, we all heard it. It's a little more hectic with three people, but, um, also I was in the zone, man. Adam's desk is like a little over. So it's easier for us then to communicate to each other. Also, like just because you hear it on the podcast, we talk about a bunch of other stuff. We have to go over the ads we're doing later. We have to go over when we're doing ad breaks and it just makes it easier for all of us to communicate while we're right here. We can't all be Adam

and see the levels all the time on our board. So yeah, gosh. All right, I got another one here. When do you listen to podcasts and how have your listening habits evolved over the years? Mine is very specific. I think this is a really good question because my habits have changed so much because of covid or did at least for a little while like i only listen to podcasts when i am traveling over 20 miles per hour meaning i'm either on a plane or driving i don't listen to podcasts any other time other than traveling what if you're in traffic and you're going like five miles per hour?

It just pauses. Yeah, New York City. It's directly in traffic. Yeah, it's GPS linked. Do you not like if you're like riding a bike or anything or going for a run? Music. Or do you run really fast? I run.

I don't actually go for runs. I bike because my knees are accelerated aged. A good idea. But I'm a music person during workouts yeah i think i agree actually i just watch tv when i bike yeah or that um yeah what about when you're cleaning you watch tv when you're biking down the street yeah that seems dangerous i just like you just peer through all the neighbors windows it's not very you don't follow through much frame by frame um i think i i mostly only listen to my podcast yeah when i'm traveling like commuting or like traveling even traveling on the plane i don't

listen too much um so when covet stopped i basically stopped listening to anything like completely stopped wow yeah even like video podcasts Like I listen to the H3 podcast all the time and that's almost like more of a show because of it's all video, but I still only ever really listen to that. And if there's a part that I like really wanted to watch, I'll just make sure I hit the Eclipse channel after and like watch that later.

But yeah, I feel like it needs to be something that's going on for at least 20 minutes for me to get into enough of a podcast. I need to be in motion, too, to listen to a podcast. But it's usually walking that I listen to podcasts. And then now when I'm driving to work, I usually listen to podcasts. There's always like daily morning podcasts and Radio Lab and all that stuff. But the hour commute to work is a good amount of time to get through like a thick, good podcast.

the hour commute to work is a good amount of time to get through like a thick good podcast and then when i'm walking to my coffee shop in the morning which is a five minute walk i listen to five minutes get my coffee talk to everyone there for an hour five minutes back to my car and then i start again so yeah that is good to be specific during wave or not during waveform during covid i would very specifically walk the dog for like one daily episode something like that like a daily episode is usually like 20 minutes and that was like a perfect amount to go and then you get slightly depressed and exactly it was that time too man it was a rough time you do got to find the podcast that's the right length to not finish if you're halfway through a podcast when you finish your walk it's like why did i even start well finish you either have to finish like

half like an equal parts through it so like halfway through it or you have to finish it if you finish and there's like 10 minutes left that's that weird like am i gonna sit in my driveway now for 10 minutes or am i gonna start this and then still have 70 of my next commute with the only episode that of any podcast i've ever done that for was i've said this before the reply all episode uh long distance two part long distance episode got home sat in my driveway and just sat there riveted it was great shout out to reply

all all right there's more questions yeah I have another one sticking to the waveform podcast stuff how long does it usually take to release a waveform podcast episode I think I'll answer the first part and adam do you want to answer the second part uh record this on my phone and then we can stitch that in like a video of

adam across the room the adam cast the adam cam um in terms of like writing it i usually take monday tuesday to write it and that's pretty much just like, actually all of us, we have a waveform channel on Slack. Everyone posts just like kind of random articles they've seen that are interested in that aren't quite, um, topic gathering. Yeah. Like topic gathering that we probably won't make a full video on. Like, and then all those go into a doc. Usually Monday, Tuesday, I kind of put it all together, grab the ads, get them all in

documents. Wednesday, all of us sit down and shoot. Today's Wednesday. Yep, today's Wednesday. And then right when we leave from here, Adam is the rest of the stuff on that. Yeah, so then after everyone shoots in here, I pull everything into the computer and I import it. And the rest of Wednesday, I dedicate to cleaning audio. Then I sync everything up Thursday morning when I come in.

And I spend all day Thursday chopping up the video, making sure that there's graphics to go and making sure that the title's good, the thumbnail, all that stuff, ready to go for Friday because we publish at 4 a.m. Eastern time. But then there's also the longer episodes,

like David and I are working on one right now, that could take months. Yeah, you guys will research that for a long time. We're done with interviews for that and I think just chopping it up

and doing all that stuff is going to take like another month. Like Jess interviews today is January 26 and we started that when we got back from break.

So it's been like three weeks of constantly emailing and interviewing people. And then we have to actually record it with you guys and then we do it.

It's going to be a while. We we got the background project i'd say most most episodes a week pretty much start to finish of like total start to total finish and i mean we all work together but that's the main gist of it and then some episodes when these guys are doing a ton of research a month or two yeah they could be really long i'll just hop into the next one since i have it here um what was mkHD, but I'll have all of us answer this, favorite video he's ever made or the most fun video you've ever made? Reviewing Mac.

I think that's the same answer for most of us. That or Bixby Speaker. We're talking about fun. That was fun to make because we knew the result we wanted in mind, but as far as fun during a shoot, nothing tops shooting Mac for an entire day. And Mac came out exactly how we wanted in mind but as far as fun during a shoot nothing tops shooting mac for an entire day and mac came out exactly how we wanted it to yeah also it like just was so good yeah easy i have one for david actually oh uh how has your pixel 6 experience gotten any better

after the january update yeah i have a very brief answer because i've used pixel 6 a little bit since i got the update yeah really only for a day. Yeah. Less bugs total, still bugs. Yeah. I had an entire system UI crash the day after the update. Oof. It's not fixed, but it's better.

I used it for two days after the update. Okay. So not a lot. A lot of the bugs that were like, I literally switched off of the Pixel 6 Pro because it had so many bugs. Same. I tried to keep on it, but over time, it just got more and more and more buggy to the point where I couldn't use it anymore. And I think the January update came out a week after I switched off of it. Switched back to it for two to three days,

and it felt like a majority of the I can't use this phone anymore bugs sort of went away. But there are still just random issues. Like all my widgets that I use in Material U, every time I swipe back to the home screen, they're just not there. And then three seconds later, they load in. Or like

dump from RAM every time you go home. Every time I go home. That's like not an issue that happens on most phones. Yeah. It's like a very basic thing. Like my biggest bug, which was frame rate drops, did seem to fix. So I have my animation back set to regular speed. I was dropping to like basically 60 hertz all the time on the 6 Pro. I didn't want to force 120 hertz all the time because then your battery life just dumps. But after the update, seems like that part is fine. It still has some occasional hiccups and drops, but at least it's not 60 all the time.

Yeah, Adam is using the regular Pixel 6, and he said that he just can't open certain apps sometimes. They just won't open. Yeah, Instagram just keeps crashing on me. Twitter keeps crashing on me, but that's on several phones. Yeah, Twitter has been crashing on me for years now. That's a Twitter issue. Evergreen. Evergreen.

I have one that I like kind of for Marques, but I also like, I think it's a Twitter issue. Evergreen. Evergreen. I have one that I like kind of for Marques, but I also like, I think it's a cool question. What are your thoughts on spending more purely for aesthetic purposes? Example,

buying an iPad Pro and an Air would be totally fine, but you just prefer the squared off camera bump? Something like that. Ooh, interesting. And I know you've done this before.

You've definitely spent more money specifically because, and I think we all have probably. It's interesting because a lot of times the bettered thing is also better looking. True. So it will usually be one of the bullet points

that makes me spend more. Like if we use the iPad example, I agree that the iPad Pro looks better, but I also like really like the 120 Hertz display. So there's things, yeah. I don't know if I would ever, if the only difference was aesthetics, it would really just be like,

how much extra are we talking here? Right. Because the iPad Pro is $900, $1,000, and the iPad Air is not anywhere near that. I wouldn't spend just- You're basically getting 120 hertz, and that's kind of it. Yeah, if it was just aesthetics,

that's a tough sell. Yeah, I guess it it's more like if this would be fine for you and you are getting some extra things but you mostly you're like that looks so much better i kind of see it as like whenever i'm making a big purchasing decision it's like i'm willing to spend all this money and I've done a ton of research on it. And do I think just because that thing looks better, like when I get this thing, I still spend, because an iPad Air is still expensive. Like it's still a big purchase. Are you going to get that and then just constantly wish you had the other thing?

And like in that sense, I think I'd rather spend the extra money. So I'm not disappointed with the thing I still spend a ton of money on. I think that a lot of people sort of try to pretend that the aesthetics of a device has nothing to do with the functionality or the like how much you like it um but like they wouldn't make phones glass if they didn't want it to be aesthetic they wouldn't want to they wouldn't like make the colors a big deal people the amount that I go on twitter and i see people just being like that color is so hot definitely gonna cop

it's like the color is important to people which is sort of ironic considering they put cases on like every phone that's also funny um but if i was buying a product like because i'm going to use it every day kind of like you had mentioned, Andrew, you have to weigh over X period of time what's the amount of money I'm willing to spend just to be like, I like how this looks more, and I'm not wishing that I got the other one. Yeah, if you're wishing you had the other thing, you're going to have a bad experience with that.

It's part of your overall experience, whether or not you want to admit it or not. It doesn't really matter what the chip set and the RAM, that's part of the experience too. I have many thoughts that have just come to my head head one of them was it really depends on the product like um yeah on what that is like if it's a car people spend more on aesthetics all the time oh yeah just because you can you can just add an option that looks cool whatever um the other thing is uh i think because we're nerds and we like really priding ourselves on like the best

tech and like using the most functional thing we try to like jade ourselves into thinking like we're not getting it because it's hot looking, but like some phones just look really good. And we're like very happy that it's also a good phone. And also I just thought of the opposite thing, which is I am currently using the Apple watch series seven, which doesn't come in black. It's dark blue, but the 15% faster charging is so damn useful for me that I just use it now. I prefer the previous watch with less curved screens and with the actual black finish. But I use the one that I don't like aesthetically as much because it's more functional. I don't hate it, but. Yeah, it would be fun to find a more perfect example of this so we could really see what that price cutoff is of like what am I willing to.

of this so we could really see what that price cutoff is of like what am i willing to like if the s21 ultra you could get it in did they make the purple and gold ultra no no let's say they did because i know you don't love that right um and for 200 more you could get the matte black version 200 i mean it's like a thousand dollar phone already so yeah you, in a world where I'm not testing new phones every week or whatever, and I'm like, I'm committing to this phone for the next two years, I'd spend that. They do work that into the pricing, though, right? Like the Huawei Mate Flip or what are they called? P50 Pocket. The Huawei P50 Pocket has a gold color version that is called Gold Special Edition or something like that.

Costs more. Costs quite a bit more. Does it have any extra RAM or anything? Did they even mention that? I don't know. I was thinking there's no way. I think it's at least $200 more. Yeah.

And I was like, well, there's got to be something else to it other than just the color. I have not confirmed that yet. One, it might not. other than just the color. I have not confirmed that yet. One, it might not, but two, a lot of the time, manufacturers will make something a nicer color and maybe put in like two extra gigs of RAM

because then people want it, but they can justify it by saying, I get more RAM, even if that RAM is not worth $200. Yeah, yeah. So it's kind of a scheme. Yeah, you get the super ultra deluxe special edition, which looks way hotter and then has, yeah. Little bit better little bit more ram it's better so that's why i got it

that's why it's easier for people to justify to other people that they got something for functional purposes than they got it just for aesthetic purposes that's why that's a really interesting question yeah i like that um i had an interesting one that said question for everyone at the studio one how do you guys maintain work-life balance? And two, what is the most used app on your phones other than social media apps? I think one thing that's kind of interesting and probably similar for all of us is that we love this stuff. And this is what me and my friends talk about already. So a funny thing is like at work, it doesn't really feel like work.

Obviously, we are producing a good that is consumed by people. So we are working. But it doesn't feel like work in the same way that previous jobs that I really didn't care for felt like work. So that's a big thing. Obviously, there are some things where I probably should exercise. I probably should socialize. Um, so that's something that I just have to like, make sure that I do, but I'm a very social person. So I ended up doing that anyway. Uh, I would say my most used app is probably pocket casts just cause I listened to so many podcasts all the time. That's fair. So anyway, do you listen to more podcasts and music?

that's fair so anyway do you listen to more podcasts and music i listen to music when i'm running because i if i'm listening to something that interests me my mind is more active than my limbs and my limbs will stop and i won't recognize it you'll just start walking imagining you just like pausing in the sidewalk and there for like 10 minutes i've tripped on a treadmill while listening to a podcast because my legs stopped moving that is very valid yeah that's hilarious i listen to a lot of music uh like when i'm running and sometimes in the car and sometimes at home when i'm like cleaning my room or something but otherwise podcasts my ratio like flipped super hard i was like i had like 80 000 minutes a year on spotify and then i listed more and more podcasts and i've gone down in music every year my spotify wrapped is like a third of what he's mine.

I'm honestly does this. Sometimes I'm like, I'm really just feeling music for a long time. And then sometimes it's just like tons of podcasts. Yeah. I'm in a podcast stage right now. Almost no music, but then I'll like,

but then it like, I listened to the same music over and over. I don't discover a lot of new music. So I think that's why it does that. And then I'll just be like, Oh, I love this song. And then I'll listen to that playlist I made

and then I won't listen to I was 2% for Taylor but Claire was 1 so she beat me this is garbage that household is bumping that household is in the top.5% yeah it's incredible to answer the question I feel like

you know work life balance for me is hi Mac is To answer the question, I feel like work-life balance for me is – Hi, Mac. It doesn't exist really. I just – because it's the internet. Frisbee is your divine. Yeah, I have my left brain, right brain. So because I care about both very much, I find the time.

I used to also have class every day, so it really doesn't feel like as much of a challenge these days to balance left brain, right brain. Cause I don't have to go to class. Um, most used app tick, tick. It's my task managing app. I would be dead or gone without it and calendar. So that's me. Yeah. I work life. I mean, it's like David said, like working here is way more fun than any previous job I had. I definitely had that. What do they call it?

It's like a job. Well, I had a job that I didn't love, which meant every night when I would get home, I would stay up to like three o'clock in the morning because I was just like, I felt like my day was wasted and I would like, I would want to do things.

Yeah, I would be so scared, like worried to go to sleep because I felt like I didn't accomplish anything that day. Even if it was just like relaxing or playing video games or something like that, where at this job, I feel so much more like I did something. I did something I enjoyed during the day and I can go home and like eat dinner and go to bed if I want to and never have an issue with that. Um, and then other than that, it's just like making sure I'm scheduling things correctly so my weekend isn't just being a lazy the entire time like i'm getting things done that i want i'm going climbing going to see my in-laws going to hang out with friends getting stuff done around the house all that it's just making sure plan it like a day ahead and you'll be okay if

you sit or sit around all day you'll waste it and then be dreading going to work again yeah it's the app that i use that's not social media tiktok social media right even though i don't post on it at all though yeah i know yeah uh man i'm just really addicted to social media apparently you can check your uh your digital well-being yeah that would be bad for me it's mostly social media i mean it's lots of scared what is it youtube twitter instagram i mean gmail isn't social media but it's social so it's like i mean okay i'll neither of you guys have ever heard it it's called the gunks app it's it's very local to where i am it's pretty much when you do outdoor climbing you you have to buy guidebooks to know what the climbs are outside

because that's not social media. Do you want to look at this app? This app is not social media. Is it? Wait. If it's not Twitter, TikTok, or Facebook, I feel like it's not. This is literally a book in an app pretty much. Oh, these aren't contributed by other users?

Nope. This is a person who wrote a guidebook to a certain amount. Would all trails be social media? Yes. What? Yes, because that's other people's it's social because a lot of people are trying to find the right thing and then the media is the reviews of the trail tell me that's social media

with a title like that this is not social media so pretty much what it does is when I go outdoor climbing I pick an area and that area then on this people have made climbs out of things so you can look at what the rock looks like so you can find it and then you can see what the climb is that might be social media this is garbage it might be it is are your kids

into rock climbing apps careful they might be into social media beyond gunk dude i really don't know then other than that the next next is like Rook Coffee where I order my coffee. That's fair. Yeah, there we go. There's definitely social media inside of it. There's like a Twitter client.

Maybe find one good one to end on. I have a perfect ending one. Okay. Okay. Congrats on the 100th episode. What's one thing that Waveform wants to achieve

before the 200th episode? I think this is a good one to end on. Let's all give something. Yeah. I know what i want to do more of on waveform which is have guests on and you know we have this podcast studio and we already know we can have guests like call into the show it's even better if they show up here in person but generally what makes a podcast interesting is number one no matter what you think of joean's, of Joe Rogan, like having experts on and smart people on to talk about something

that they know a lot more than you about and learning in real time. That is awesome. I want to do that more. And just diversity of thought in general. I think we can have like creators on. I think we can have people on other social networks. I think we can have people who have very different jobs

that have a lot to talk about. That'd be really fun. So I want to have more guests. We're already talking to two right now. So that's coming soon. It's happening. Good start be really fun. So I want to have more guests. We're already talking to two right now. So that's coming soon. It's happening. Good start to the year. Yeah.

Yeah. You? Me? Oh, well, you know how you mentioned earlier that you sat in your car and you listened to that reply all episode until it was done. I think a lot of the best podcasts or like the most talked about podcasts

have either one or two or three episodes that are just like legendary. Like, um, what was it? Serial? It was kind of the, that was a whole podcast and it was a whole season. But it was a podcast that sort of like revolutionized podcasting. That's what I thought about when I thought of like sitting in your driveway. I think I did it for every episode. Yeah.

And so like a lot of podcasts will have one or two or three episodes that just everyone knows about because it's so good that people are like, holy crap. There was also a reply episode about like the case of the missing song or something. That was a good one. That was such a good episode. And everyone just shared that around the internet for like two weeks. And I think that sort of exemplifies how certain episodes and the quality of storytelling can transcend people knowing about something already. It goes viral, not because of some like exterior reason, because one person was like, really like this episode. And then everyone watches it. Like, I know that you have mentioned before, you're very glad that you never really had a video go

viral to grow because that's how you get a ton of subscribers that will never watch again. because that's how you get a ton of subscribers that will never watch again. And I totally agree with that. I want us to produce something that reaches an audience that is not our general audience, that everybody can connect with. Yeah. Yeah.

So that would be something I think it would be cool to do. Yeah. I see that happening. Yeah. I have a lot of faith in that. I think that's a good place to end it. Mac, anything to say? I don't get to say anything.

I thought you were just agreeing. I created this podcast. I thought you were just agreeing. Hit me. Hit me. And then Mac's going to go. The funny thing is I really don't have anything to say. My thing was going to also be guests, which is kind of lame.

But I do like what you're saying. Like, I would like to bring in guests that have a very faint tech aspect to them that we can just relate to, and then we can open up a whole nother category to other people and be something that helps broaden other people's horizons and we get to learn during the, the experience. Yeah. Sounds awesome. Yeah.

We'll do it. I'm committed to it right now. Boom. Thank you guys for joining us on the ride to learn during the experience. Yeah. Sounds awesome. We'll do it. I'm committing to it right now. Boom. Thank you guys for joining us on the ride to this point so far. 100 episodes. Not bad. It's not bad. We got a little bit of hardware on the table to show for it.

But in case you haven't already, this is a pretty good time to subscribe. Because, you know, more plaques, but also more episodes. And the whole, like, enjoying what you listen to thing can happen. But we're really only in it for the plaques. We're going to have to go to a dentist pretty soon if we keep getting more plaques, but also more episodes and the whole, like, enjoying what you listen to thing can happen a lot more. But we're really only in it for the plaques, so. We're going to have to go to a dentist pretty soon if we can keep getting more plaques. That's the goal, right? I'm muting, David.

And with that, thanks for listening to episode 100. Catch you guys next time. All right. Way From Home is produced by Adam Molina. We are partnered with Vox Media and our intro to our music was created by Vaneane. So are you going to leave the all right?