Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Everything From WWDC 2024!

Episode Date: June 14, 2024

This week was WWDC, and the podcast crew has some thoughts! Marques chats with Andrew and David about everything from Apple Intelligence to the new iPad calculator app. There's so much to get into so we hope you enjoy! Links:  MKBHD Recap video: https://bit.ly/3KOHc3r MKBHD vs Tim Cook: https://bit.ly/3x70kGZ Snazzy Labs Spatial Photos: https://bit.ly/4eeDPAq Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I think we should just hit it with our favorites. Okay. And then we'll eventually get to everything by hitting our favorites. Okay. Do you have a favorite? I can, yeah, I can figure something out. Okay. My favorite was Material You.

Material Doo-Doo. It's that word. Dollar store Material You. We have Material You at home. dollar store material we have material you what is up people of the internet welcome back to another packed episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez i'm andrew and i'm david and while wwdc was this week it was monday by the time you're hearing this it's's Friday. You've seen the announcements. We've gotten plenty of coverage. And we're here to break it all down in our true and honest way by diving directly into the weeds.

Oh, yeah. It's how we kind of do things here. So, actually, first, also, we uploaded an event recap video. So, if you only have 15 minutes and you want to watch a recap, that video exists. We also interviewed Tim Cook. And that video is also on the main channel. And I would suggest, I would suggest watching that too, but here's the thing about those interviews. I just want to, I just want to mini rant for a second. Do it. That's a powerful soundboard item. Great new soundboard. Powerful soundboard item. Love our

new clips on the soundboard. Uh are fun, but I always find them interesting because they always minimize how much time you have to do them. Which, okay, of course, Tim Cook's a busy person. They did some interviews with some other executives. They're also busy people. I get that. They're trying to like cram them into a small amount of time. But they are so short that you are basically unable

to actually ask follow-up questions yeah and when it comes to someone like an exec like tim cook he's also pretty good at not answering questions yeah like very like he'll he'll say things that he wants you to hear but yeah if he doesn't want to answer it he just won't they told us we had 10 minutes i told us we had 10 minutes i went we did 17 way over time we did 17 and was still unable to like follow up on most things like i think the the perfect example of this was like two-thirds of the way almost almost near the end of the video talking about the magic mouse briefly like i brought up the magic mouse and had tim talk about the magic mouse for like 60 seconds. And I so badly wanted to be like, can we dive, there's a rabbit hole here

that we could just dive into right now and it would be really entertaining. Tell me about the development of this. Yeah, but there's just no time. So if you're listening to this, Apple's team who conducts these, we would love more time. That's all.

I think they know that though. I think they know that. Yeah, I think so too. I think it's on purpose and i think they know that though i think yeah i think so it's on purpose and i think they they even would like to if they can like try to trim and like direct interviews to only be about wwdc but then it's just it's just pr obviously they're doing it to get as many positive videos out there about their thing as possible but i think what you'll find is there are people who are very excited to talk to Tim Cook about a variety of things and then they don't get to talk about those things. And it's just it's

kind of feels like almost a waste of time. So it would be really nice if there was more time. Yeah, that's my take. Definitely. Anyway. Okay. Let's dive into the new software and hardware. There's a whole lot to get into. Where do we start? Well. Vision OS? Yeah. So the way that I'm laying out this podcast for listeners is because iOS, which also sort of applies to iPadOS, is so thick. And then also the AI or Apple intelligence section is also quite thick. The way that we usually do this podcast is section trivia section trivia section answers trivia answers so the way we're going to do it is everything that's not iphone and ipad then iphone and ipad then ai okay so we're just kind of going to go through like all of the other

apple products that are not iphone and ipad at the beginning to be fair, some of them got some pretty nice updates. There are some cool things, yeah. Some nice updates here. So we're not going in order like we normally do because there's so much stuff. Yeah, there's so much. Okay, cool. So much stuff. Let's get it.

So in non-iOS and iPhone news. Yes. Vision OS. Vision OS. That's a fairly non-iPhone thing. Yeah. There's some good stuff here. Yeah. It's a 2.0 update. That's a fairly non-iPhone thing. Yeah. There's some good stuff here. Yeah.

It's a 2.0 update. That's what I was thinking. I'm not sure I find enough things here to be 2.0, but who cares? It was only six months ago that it was first announced. Yeah. Screw it. Let's go 2.0 right off the bat. Yeah, it was announced a year ago, but it released six months ago.

3.0 for Christmas. Yeah. We're on that pace, though. It does feel like Vision OS, the update of the things that you should have done in the beginning. Yes. Yeah. We're on that pace, though. It does feel like Vision OS, the update of the things that you should have done in the beginning. Yes. Yeah. You should have had this already. But, like, to your point, yeah, like, when you ship a product, sometimes you might just not realize a lot of things.

Or they were still working on it, but they wanted to launch, and then there was a couple things that right when it was launching, they could have probably rushed out, but still were working on. Yeah. So here they are. All right. So Vision OS 2. We got a lot of updates. The biggest ones are mostly in photos. Honestly, I think this is the one that people have been reacting to the most. So a big part of Vision Pro that Apple is starting to push out over time is the ability to share content with other people via SharePlay, via your ghost persona thing, which is called your digital persona

or something like that? Or just your persona? It's not avatar, what is it? I like ghost persona. Yeah, digital persona. Digital persona, okay. So in Photos, you can now share photos with other people. So you can be in different places at the same time

looking at a photo library, which is very cool. But the cool thing about the photo library is they introduced an update that allows machine learning to identify the subjects in a photo and turn them into a depth photo, even if they're a standard 2D photo. And this works with pretty much any photo in your library, as long as it can identify some sort of subject. Quinn from Snazzy Labs tested it and said that he tested on 60 old photos that he had, and only one of them messed up a little bit. And that otherwise, he said that it's pretty much better at separating the subject from the background than actually taking a spatial photo on your iPhone is. Hilarious. actually taking a spatial photo on your iphone is hilarious which is very funny because apple spent a lot of time making sure that the cameras were perfectly aligned on the iphone and that

going forward from now on all of the iphones have to have these perfect parallax cameras and isn't it only certain iphones that are able to shoot spatial video uh the because of the resolution of spatial video i think is different and yeah and then the the yeah the space so the reason that the iphone 15 didn't have the diagonal cameras and they aligned them is because they wanted them to be able to do spatial yeah it's almost like the greatest iphone ever made also has cameras in a line oh but can't shoot spatial but can't because they're probably not the right distance apart. Or if you have three or five eyes. What can I do with my S24 Ultra?

Just wondering. You can buy an iPhone. That's what Tim Cook would say. That is one interesting thing, though. You can take any photos and run them through this. So if you text yourself a photo from the S24 Ultra and run it through this machine learning, it will make it a spatial photo.

Yeah. And cool. And then you can look at it in your Vision Pro and move your head around. Yeah. Neat. Which I think is super cool. Obviously, you can't do this for video yet. However, I have heard things from developers that have said they have seen some stuff where they were actually separating

out video into a spatial video in real time. So, that's not something official from Apple, but something I've heard from other people. Like the hydrogen screen. Remember the hydrogen? Yeah. I like that. I think that's cool. I think my favorite feature from VisionOS is the Mac display getting

way more resolution. Yes. So if you guys remember the Vision Pro review, one of the things that they do in the Vision Pro is foveated rendering. All that really means is what you look at is sharp and rendered in high resolution. And what you're not looking at because it's tracking your eyes doesn't have to be rendered in as high of a resolution. But when you load it up Mac virtual display, you could see it in the screen recordings. It rendered the whole thing in full resolution all the time. So they're adding that foveated rendering that is happening on the Mac to the virtual display. So now it can

give you an even larger canvas with more pixels because it's not rendering it all at once. So you can go like ultra wide 8K. Yeah. They did this cool animation in the keynote where it like came out a little bit and they're like, you can do an ultra wide, except you can do really ultra wide and then extend it even more, which is cool. I would prefer that if you could just have multiple windows all together

because that's how i like to segment out my screens um but you know i'm sure that they're like what's the difference so the new mac os which we'll get to later has window snapping so yeah like right displays yeah sort of and i'm wondering how the window snapping works if you're extending it with vision pro on an ultra wide yeah is it like where does that go you can still use an ultra wide as a monitor and it would have that right so it's just gonna trade it as an ultra i guess so but then the windows would just be individually really long and you can only snap two because they had you snap side by side though right so you're saying you could have it like it's two different yeah but if i had an ultra wide i want them to be not super long individually but i want like five of them yeah you know what i mean so anyway uh we'll

get we'll get to the window snapping stuff later um travel mode now works on trains which is funny that they didn't have that before it like only worked on planes for some reason which i thought was ridiculous i was confused it really didn't work on anything other than plane that is ridiculous just planes a big change that they made was quick access to the control panel with a new hand gesture so if you've used a vision bro before it was very very annoying to access the control panel because it was sort of like you had to look up with your eyes but everyone thought you had to look up with your head i when i first had it like it doesn't explain exactly how to do that. So I kept being all the way up looking at the ceiling and then I would get it.

And then one day it just popped up when I looked up and I was like, I'm an idiot. I've been doing this the whole time. Right. So now you can do a hand gesture that makes it a lot easier. And possibly the biggest update. Now you can see your magic keyboard in an environment. Wow. And you can also use a mouse, right?

Yes, you can use any mouse, but you have to use the magic keyboard, which is annoying. What? Yeah. Every keyboard is at least a QWERTY layout. You can definitely. Andrew, tell him. Andrew, tell him.

I know there's 16 keyboards, and some of them have hour keys, and are still qwerty yeah but they're all qwerty so like you can definitely map out the qwerty part of a keyboard and just I do think that the semantic segmentation of just knowing that you're looking at a keyboard is gonna be good enough and you shouldn't have to be like I'm identifying specifically a magic keyboard yeah but so I guess the question is is it's it's rendering the magic keyboard i don't inside of it it's just a cutout so the same way when you had your hands in front of your face yeah you can see your hands that's not a render of your hands that's literally a cutout from the background of your hands it'll do the same thing now with a keyboard if it sees a

keyboard in front of you it doesn't cut out so that makes no sense because you can cut out any other exactly keyboard it's a rectangle it doesn't matter if it's qwerty it just matters because i mean look the thing is if they can do that with the mouse they can do it with the keyboard and it identifies any mouse any mouse i'm just saying they're not mapping something over over the mouse exactly so they can not map over the keyboard wouldn't the cutouts need to be mapped in 3d space like even if they're not wrapping a texture around it, like wouldn't they still need 3D data to cut out your hands to begin with? Sure.

Yeah. But you know how- Shut up, bud! In the beginning of the Vision Pro setup process, you do like a hand scan like this. Yeah. And then you flip your hands over. Just add a step where I, do you have a keyboard?

Sure, hold it up. Now you've got a keyboard. It is infinitely easier than a hand it's so it's so easy all I'll say is that on the the meta the meta the meta ecosystem yes they only support specific keyboards yes but the meta ecosystem also maps a animated version of your hands to your hands it literally overlays it with an animated version of you I thought the meta thing was it just cut out like a box on your desk one of the options but if you have a one of the supported keyboards like the logitech mx master series oh uh you can have a cartoon one uh yeah

with that your cartoon hands like press the button that's fire i kind of want to try that no it probably doesn't work as well but i kind of want to yeah it probably doesn't work as well yeah all i'm saying is that if you can use any mouse of which there are many you could easily map out a keyboard i agree but okay so yeah vision os that's most of the big stuff for vision os five minutes on the mouse and keyboard situation but let's move on you can rearrange icons on the home screen now just want to throw that out there oh right we forgot to talk small detail but yeah it exists another thing that's like how was that not a thing but yeah all right okay uh watch os 11 now there's a new watch coming out in october theoretically exactly allegedly there

could be there could be sources say sure that the Apple Watch Series X is coming out in October, which is supposed to be a new design. And last year they did a huge change on the OS design of watchOS 10. And so because of that, we weren't really expecting a lot of new things in watchOS 11, of which we didn't really get much. We basically got two new apps. There is now an app called Vitals, which is basically trying to be the Garmin body battery feature. Or like the Whoop. The Whoop. Or the Whoop.

Yeah. A lot of fitness bands have had this for years. But a big reason people have stuck to Garmin for a long time is because of the body battery feature. And effectively what this is, when you're sleeping, it tracks a bunch of your specific data in your body and then if you wear the watch over the course of a number of days it can sort of map trends and then it can use that information to be like oh you're more tired today than you usually are because your heart rate is higher when you go to sleep and all this stuff and it kind of tells you that you have the energy to work out today harder than you used to work out on a different day

something like that yeah it's taking in like exercise data so like if you push uh like exercise load too hard one day it's going to tell you the next day to prop like rest or yeah recover yeah i just want to say if you're skeptical about any of this go watch our dr mike episode yeah yes uh but that's basically the same thing as this, where it tracks your sleep. Sorry. It tracks your vitals throughout your sleep. And then over the course of a period of time, it shows you any irregularities in certain days. And it will suggest, oh, these metrics are at this point.

And the reason for that is very often tied to the fact that maybe you're drinking alcohol or maybe that you're working out too late in the night or something like that. The same thing that eight sleep does. Every time I get a notification in the morning, it's like, your heart rate dropped later than usual. Yeah. This could be because of... Like five different things.

Yeah, any number of things. One day I want to try all five things and see how bad my sleep score is. Like work out close to bed, drink alcohol, consume caffeine. Oh my God. Do it. Be really stressed and then is like work out close to bed drink alcohol consume caffeine be really stressed and then just like try and go to you are clinically dead yeah um so all these outliers and then they have this training load app as well that works with it that is also kind of like the body battery and it tells you how hard it thinks you worked out when you do a workout so if you're exercising it's like

oh you you put in a five today but you probably could have pushed it a little harder it felt like a nine apple yeah so they do have a setting where you can change how hard it actually was and that way it'll learn over time like how hard you're working you can't you know this information i've never really found the use for and i might get yelled at in the comments for this but like how dare you it's interesting to see things about your body but i'm not going to like significantly change my lifestyle based on face watch information we brought this up on the dr mike thing because i've been using garmin for over a year and i found that there were days where my body battery would tell me i'm like doing great

like i'm going climbing after work and it says i have a ton of body battery left and i kill it and then i'll have days where it's really low even though i got plenty of sleep and everything and i feel like it gets in my own head and like that can literally placebo i honestly so much of it is mental and i just kind of wish garmin just lied to me every day it's like you have so much energy look at you go energized because you look great that's the thing yeah with the eight sleep like i i also have the eight sleep and every morning i i look at it and i'm like how much does it map to how i actually feel so if i feel great in the morning i'm like i bet i got over 90 and it's like 95 you slept amazingly i'm like yeah it did but what am i

gonna do with that information exactly what is the point of that information you just pat yourself on the back like yeah this week i slept real well ellis how you feeling today let me ask i don't know i haven't checked my sleep out yet i didn't look it up yet i haven't learned how to express my own emotions um yeah okay so besides that you can now pause certain days on your ring streaks don't do it which when they announced this in the keynote everyone was like yeah you know it's like you can take a rest day or an off day and then pick up your streak right where you left off yeah like okay that sentence pick up your streak where you left off i don't

think that means what you think it means, but okay. I do get it. I think that for people that like are going on a trip and they're flying for 14 hours and literally are not going to have time. Take the L like the rest of us. Thank you. Just start a new streak. Start a new streak.

It's one of those things where it's like, yeah, there are, there are days where you can't do it. So you're like, pause, you feel really proud of your streak. But at the other time, your streak means absolutely absolutely nothing yeah it's a little award so totally there's both sides to this i guess it's like if people feel pressure to like not go on vacation because they're so competitive with their friends that they don't want to like stop the streak or something own that competitiveness and don't go on vacation what if the middle ground is you can pause it but if you do pause it your streak now has an asterisk next to it like an edited tweet.

So you can be like, update, pause this at some point, and then you can shame all of your friends. I like that. Yeah. Okay, you can now customize the widgets in the fitness app. So if you like certain metrics a lot and you want to look at them first, you can see that. Fitness Plus now has a For You page because every freaking application in the world has to have a freaking for you page at this point isn't the fitness plus app a for you page no it's not no it's like suggested workouts for you yeah is it not for me who else is going to be doing it i think

that it the only thing that it really does is is like if you just did a treadmill run it'll be like do another treadmill run but now over a long period of time, it will suggest certain runs and stuff that you should do or certain exercises that you should do. Which in this scenario, if it actually worked, is one of the only 4U opportunities that I actually support because I think algorithmic feeds are terrible. But that's just a personal annoyance of mine.

Let's just step right over that rabbit hole. Yes. Keep going. The SmartStack is now... The SmartStack? SmartStack. SmartStack. You got me listening now?

Is also now... The SmartStack is now smarter. Whatever that means. Basically, there's this little stack on your Apple Watch of different tiles that shows you different things and now it's supposed to be more relevant to the things that you're like actively doing or what it thinks that you want to look at so if you're in another country the translate one will pop up at the top right or if it's about to rain and the weather one will pop up I thought that

was actually interesting when they said that like yeah if I have my smart stack and then yeah the weather's about to change maybe I do need to remember to bring a raincoat. And I just look and it's like, oh, I wasn't paying attention enough to notice that. Yeah. I'm sure there's some small things in there. That's like the little quality of life thing that isn't as interesting in video and on the stage. Yeah. But you probably learn to appreciate it.

Just made it better. Yeah. Yeah. And then there was also some updates to pregnancy tracking, which was pretty useful. I cannot evaluate how useful those things are, but they seemed pretty useful. So I'm glad they're doing that. Can confirm. That you agree.

Also cannot. But seemed pretty solid. Yeah. And then one other thing that they mentioned sort of briefly where I started kind of feeling like, are we making these applications just way too complicated? I feel like every year they feel like they need to add more to a product that is already so saturated with features that it starts to get more and more complex because they added a feature that was like check-ins, but attached to certain workouts now. That was like check-ins. But attached to certain workouts now. So they showed us a demo. Where the guy was going to go on a hike.

And he's like I'm about to go on a hike. So I'm going to set it. So that when I finish my hike. And I get to a certain location. It sends a notification. To this person in my contacts. To let them know I got there. That's fire.

No I like this good I think this is I agree the menus that he had to jump through to like or to like turn all of these things on just for the specific ones seemed really complex and I just don't know if anyone really knows that these features exist so if

they could do a better job on the watch of like letting you know like maybe when you start an exercise for the first time you start a new exercise if it goes do you want to let anyone know when you get there and then it did it for you i think that would be great it's good that these features exist i'm not saying it's no yeah um it's just yeah i don't know if anyone's gonna know that it is a thing i thought and i may have missed this i thought that's kind of what it did do on the watch because it was uh i had to watch this with lane so it was much harder for me to watch this so i'm sure there are things i missed here but it was like if they went on a nightly

run and they were in a competition with someone or something on the smart stack it would say like blah blah finished their run and their home safe or something i think that's what they just added because i believe it was like the check-in could be that you set it. So when you get to a certain location, it sends them a notification and you got home or you can manually do it. Okay. Yeah. But they added it to,

I'm pretty sure they just added it to exercises in this version. Yeah. Cool. So anyway, that's pretty much it with the watch Mac OS Sequoia. Mac OS Sequoia. os sequoia yes fun yes yeah new new version of mac os i think it's the best background of a mac os i think it's my favorite background of a mac i didn't even see the background what is the default background

oh yeah i think it's kind of nice sorry audio listeners yeah we're just gonna have to picture a oh array why this This is like 300 pixels. Why is that? Okay, so it's a mix between a ray of sunshine and also the fact that you're looking up into the trees. It's looking up into the sequence. The way it came in is it swooped down and then looked up. Okay, that is cool.

I think it's really cool. I did not even see the trees until you pointed it out. Yeah, yeah, no. I think it looks great as a background and is referencing it really well yeah as someone who is from the sierras when they were like we dove deep into the sierras i was like yes and they were like and found some big trees and i was like it's gonna be sequoia it's gonna be sequoia it's gonna be sequoia and they're like maco sequoia and i got excited

very nice uh all right so they brought some features from Windows, which is interesting. They brought in built-in window tiling. Yeah. I like how I had to explain this one without saying the word Windows the whole time. So you can drag this frame of an app into a tile into the corner of your screen. Don't say Windows. Yeah. Yeah.

You can snap Windows now. It's great. Which is good uh kills the magnet app which is a very popular app that gives you the window tiling feature there was a good amount of sherlocking there was so much sherlocking at this wwc someone made a thread of like eight different apps that got sherlocked here i still think the fifth thing you listed to tim cook to rank should have been sherlock you wouldn't know what that is so i kind of hate the way that they implemented this i gotta say if you go on the apple website you can see the way they implemented this but it leaves padding between the windows that you snap

so there's padding on the right top left and bottom i think it might be because they're obsessed with shadows i think the reason is so you can see if there is an application behind your computer and when you click on your desktop if it's not on a window then it spreads all the apps out like this and I think that they just want you to have quick access to that so that if you're using like your entire screen you can quickly do that because you can't do that unless you have access to clicking on your desktop. Yeah. So it's interesting when we see like...

Oh, my browser just crashed. Did it? It looked like it was on the side. Oh, it's back. All right. You're on the beta? Yeah. Oh, fuck.

It's interesting when we see a lot of these applications that were dedicated just get integrated into the os level uh this happened for years on android right it was like people would make android hacks to make things work and then uh the next io it'd be like and now we just put it in android in general and i think this also happened a lot with uh jailbreaking stuff has made its way into ios just like root features like people would root and have custom rom features has made its way into iOS, just like root features. People would root and have custom ROM features.

Those made their way into Android. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah, that was a lot. Getting it eventually. One of the most exciting things, though, is something called wireless phone mirroring, which is really cool.

So effectively what this does is it shows a virtual iPhone on your display, and you can mess with all of the apps on the phone you can drag and drop files between your computer and your phone which is really really useful uh they gave a really weird example they were like if you're in final cut on your laptop and you need to drag and drop files from your phone i would love that i could totally use that. I mean, it's basically just AirDrop with a better visual. They said it's using a combination of Wi-Fi Direct

and Bluetooth, but then it should be about as fast as AirDrop. Yeah, I don't know. They wouldn't say it's AirDrop, but the way they described it was exactly the same way they describe AirDrop, so take that for what it's worth right yes now the benefit of this is that you can leave your phone on standby mode

which is really awesome uh because i hate you know being on my computer and then i'll be like ah that files on my phone and i have to get my phone and then airdrop it to my computer and if you can just like keep your phone charging throughout the day and do everything on your computer with a little mini version of your phone on the side, that's pretty cool. Windows and Android has had this for a while, but it has always been really laggy and really not secure in the connection. It always drops, which is annoying. Safari got some updates. It basically has some AI features that will highlight things on the page

for you um summarize yeah there's a feature called highlights that you can click and it will sort of give you insights about things on the page and then direct you to different things that you can do with that information do you think this will actually make people use safari i think a lot of people use safari on their phone but i mean like on desktop i think a lot of people i think a lot of people use Safari on their phone. But I mean, like, on desktop. I think a lot of people. I think a lot of people use it on desktop. Look at. What? You're literally on Safari right now?

You poor soul. I think a lot of people outside our bubble use Safari. Because it's just the default. I disagree. I think everyone opens up Safari and downloads Chrome. Chrome does have a huge market share. It's like 92% or something. We're talking about Safari like it's Internet Explorer here, guys. Safari is good. I mean, a huge market share. It's like 92% or something. We're talking about Safari

like it's Internet Explorer here, guys. Safari is good. I mean, Internet Explorer is good. It is. Safari is very good. I think Safari is good. I don't use it. Safari is good on the iPhone,

but it is not good on a Mac. If your parents right now bought a MacBook, downloading Chrome, you'd be 100%. No. Mine would not. Safari, I will say, on the Mac, is the best battery efficiency.

And it's the fastest. So if you are going to be using it, like when I had my laptop out for taking notes during the keynote, I had Arc, and it was the only thing I had open. And I had 40% battery left on this MacBook Pro. That should last me a long time. It was cooking through battery. Just for having Chrome. That's because it's actually doing things safari just sits there and no if i if i do the same stuff

in safari it takes dramatically less energy no i know because it's a useless thing well i was only taking notes and drive so that's all i needed but i you know safari does use way less battery yeah yeah bro and chrome chrome is like this evil dragon that lives in a cave and just sits on this giant pile of ram and if you walk in and you try to get any of it back it goes it does anyway this feature is called highlights you click it it'll like tell you things about the page it'll tell you like a summary of the page if you're on the example they gave were they were on a hotel website that they were thinking about staying at and they clicked the highlights feature and it was like do you want to navigate here which is weird to do on your laptop um you know because who uses the the maps app on the laptop

walk around with your laptop out on the street yeah so yeah it's supposed to can this highlight feature in the browser is supposed to contextually surface interesting and useful things to you so if there is an address or something then you hit highlight it'll bring up that maps thing if there is a video then it will bring up a full screen uninterrupted video player with video controls yeah like if there's video any on the website if there is i don't know a phone number it can surface that if there's an article it'll'll summarize the article for you. So it's got a nice suite of things. And I asked them if what if there's like two or three of those things on a website, and they said, Oh, we'll just surface all of it for you. So seems pretty cool. Yeah, I'm excited about that. Yeah, useful thing. Yeah. And last kind of

major thing, there is a new presenter view for when you're on video calls, that kind of allows you to show different things on your screen a little bit easier and a more full laid layout and now they also have built-in backgrounds for video conferencing apps because we obviously need more of those yeah yeah and it works in facetime and zoom right now uh so that's pretty much mac os sequoia not a huge number of things but um i think the iphone wireless mirroring is probably the most exciting thing oh yeah we'll get to that later can i do tv os in 10 seconds and then my favorite part about it okay okay cool they added enhanced dialogue feature which like a

million other soundbars have already they added being able to see the actors and actresses on screen which amazon prime has already and they added 21.9 support for projectors. But they added Snoopy. And I want to take bets on what we think gets Snoopy at DubDub next year because we got it on the watch last year. We got it on tvOS this year. What gets Snoopy in 2025? The iPhone, you think?

It's the Mac. The Mac? Yeah, macOS Snoopy. I'm guessing vision os snoopy interactive environment environment whoa oh that would be kind of i just thought of that right now i was like that's actually pretty sweet that'd be dope don't mind that yeah all right um something else that's interesting in tv os though is that that i found when i was looking through the website today is that if you're watching was looking through the website today, is that if you're watching a TV show and someone in the TV show says something in a different language,

it'll automatically throw subtitles on it, only if it's in a different language and doesn't already have subtitles. Huh. Which is pretty cool. Yeah. I mean, it's a little weird, and sometimes I think that you're supposed to not. Yeah, not really there are a lot of things in here where apple is like i'm gonna allow you to like have this information or we're gonna change the way that you're consuming this media even if the director didn't necessarily want it to be that way like the enhanced dialogue we're the director now we're the directors now um yeah it'll also automatically show subtitles it when you mute TV, which is kind of cool.

Oh, yeah. So you can keep watching if like someone else is like, can you turn that off? One of them was if you mute or if you scrub back because you think you missed something, it'll automatically throw subtitles on for like the couple seconds that you skipped, assuming you think you didn't catch what they said. Yeah. Just to help catch you up yeah so that's pretty cool that is basically tv os yep uh and then last thing before we get to the ad

break is airpods uh they got a very minor update you can now answer calls by nodding your head or reject calls by waving your head back and forth. Shaking. Poor GamGam in that video. Shaking, yeah. Call from GamGam. And also there is now smart audio noise canceling for calls, which is good because the AirPods mics have traditionally not been amazing. I just assumed they had that already. I also did.

I swore. So a lot of phones and phone apps have this already, but I guess building it into AirPods, maybe it can be better because of the mics that are in it. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Yeah.

Anyway, that's most of the non-meat. Wasn't there that whole... The vegetables, you might say. Wasn't there a whole thing a while ago where they're at a farmer's market and it zooms into like the apple crate and they can hear them better on the AirPods because...

Or is that on the phone? It's very possible that they already had some sort of noise can't like sound voice isolation and then now they just have like ultra advanced voice isolation i don't know that's what i thought but uh i don't know and a certain tech company won't ever respond to my emails asking these sort of questions so yeah you know yeah all right so with that I think we should go to the trivia question. And then we'll come on back. Were you paying

attention? That's right. We're back. Another dub dub. Another were you paying attention? Were you paying attention? And the opening cinematic of this year's wow marquez is like locking in he's so ready opening cinematic wwdc 2024 everyone's jumping out of a plane remember who was piloting the plane i remember yes yes yes do we need to say their full name?

I could also tell you the first name. Oh, actually, no. I think I know it now. I will accept just their first name. Okay. Would you like to know what the name of the OS on the first parachute was? Because I remember that too. Really?

Yes. Do you remember the altitude they were flying at? No. No? I mean, it could be a bonus or something I don't know I like that it's a good question because I know the answer so so I'm cool great question

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decent amount of stuff here not necessarily like a giant update but again it's it's it's 18 years of iOS right we've got a very mature relatively stable OS so they don't have to change too much and oh oh they just ruined our home screens never mind i take it all back they've ruined our home screens they've ruined our home they've ruined it i okay maybe it's a bit of a hot take okay wait yeah sorry because there are basically two opinions on this one new feature this new feature on ios 18 the biggest new feature is you can now put icons wherever you want on the home screen. And there's a nice little theme engine,

little tint engine where you can change the color of any slash all of your apps to be the same color with a tint. So if you want everything to be yellow or everything to be blue or everything to be green, you can do that, too. I want to say I came into the office. You guys were here and I immediately was like, I thought that was really cool because I've always said that. I was also my first reaction. I really hate. I love on my Android that my homepage is clear.

And I said that's one of a huge reason I won't switch to iPhone. So I'm seeing this and the changing, which also is just Material You. Like that's them just trying to do Material You. And you guys come in and I was like, I think that's really cool. And all of you looked at me and went, it's not. And I was like, oh, why? Shut up, Andrew.

They were like, it sucks. And then like you showed me all these different examples and I'm like, wow, they did a great job of presenting this because I thought it was pretty cool. I have to say with this keynote overall I felt like there was a very large delta between how excited I was based on the keynote and then seeing it in real life and being like yeah I don't know about that so my first impression of the home screen thing was the same as you which is oh finally like this is something i've been wanting oh yeah oh i can move my icons anywhere great like customizing my home screen is a big reason of why i like android same uh and we saw some decent looking examples but then immediately

we started seeing on twitter people installing the beta and one of the reasons people would make fun of the iphone is because everyone's home screens always look the same. They always all look the same. It's your icons all from the top down and from the left to the right. And I think now you're finally able to ruin your home screen just as easily as make it really pretty. And people aren't very good at making it really pretty. So there are a lot of examples of really ugly home screens on the iPhone now, like creatively horrible home screen.

I have so many thoughts here. So that exists now too, the ability to ruin your home screen. I don't have to look at their phones. That's fair. Yeah. I trust myself to make things look good. What if you walked into your house

and everything you owned was tinted the same color all of a sudden? Yeah, but I would have had to tint everything the same color yeah but still you would never be like this is better here's the one thing why i think it like at first to me being able to actually tint everything one of the issues with material you was it tried to do that but there were always like three icons that didn't follow suit and that looks terrible i think collectively bad looks better than 80 good and the rest just not even like coherently there here is my take is that android has always been like go wild do whatever you want so hard that they offered icon packs and they allowed people to like build these icon packs that made things look really good and when they released material you you are right they would be

like 80 of the apps supported material you and if you didn't and it sucked but maybe you could hide them but at least google put a lot of effort into material you and what apple has done is they've been like we're not giving you any control over this to we are choosing how much control you can have. And the fact that every single app has to be tinted the exact same way on a very basic two color palette. Very Apple like. With very little thought into it. It's basically like, what's the primary color on your home screen? We're just going to tint everything that way and you can control the saturation.

It just, I don't know, man man i just think it looks really bad i think i'm also a sucker for that highlighter yellow that craig did on the thing with the tennis balls i loved it i think it looked good with the black icons if they had secondary colors on the icons i think it would look good that's something that material you does really well is that it has a primary color and it also has a complementary color apple can't trust you with two colors chill but that's the problem it's like it's black and one primary color and that is it and it just makes it look really cheap and like a child's toy this is it's fisher price material you yeah it's it's we have material yeah yeah yeah and the fact that the entire control that you have is either it's tinted a color or you're just not doing anything to it is kind of ridiculous. Yeah.

I'm definitely going to try something else. I will say the dark mode looked pretty cool. Yes. The dark mode icons actually looked good. Agreed. The dark mode icons now have dark backgrounds, which is different. I think some people will do some cool things with it. And I think some people will do some cool things with it and i think more people will do some terrible things with it and but i don't have to look at

their phones so fair i will say the the tinting um this clearly is a developer beta so it's going to change over time but i tried it at the event and certain colors if you tinted a certain color the text of that anything on the icon will just disappear a couple of my icons effectively disappeared because it tinted it tinted them the same color as the thing they were right up against and they just went away and you couldn't see them yeah there's a couple examples i've seen on twitter of just illegible yeah this is the tint this is going to be one of those things where they're like it's such a simple change no one could screw this up and then you release it to the hounds of the public

world and then everything breaks and you're like wow yeah people are crazy it was pretty rough anyway it's interesting that they're now giving users this power but i feel like they need to change the way they do it so i have a segue into the next thing here, which is Control Center. And as a non-iPhone user, I saw this. I was like, that looks really cool. And then you all hopped on me again and went, no, it's really poorly laid out. And I was like, wow, I don't know what's going on anymore.

Okay, so we should explain what this is to other people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, please explain. So Control Center before, and everything up until now, has been swiped down from the top, and there's all the controls. So if you have home controls, there they are. If you have media controls, there they are. If you have any other random controls sitting there, they're all there.

This new one is paginated. You're going to have to explain what that means to me. So there are several pages now of them, and they're all sort of modular modular paginated nope i was thinking like yeah beauty pad i've actually never heard that either oh yeah i mean it makes sense now that you explain maybe we're all just idiots oh sorry yeah that's definitely pages oh sorry you yeah you swipe down and there's full screen pages of these things so there's the second page is just all of your media controls and you swipe down again and it's just all of your home controls. And then also you can expand and shrink a lot of

these controls sort of freely. So I think the default, which is what most people will have and never change, looks okay. It looks okay. It looks okay, I think. But the second you mess with it and try to customize it, you really get in the weeds. And I think a lot of people also make horrible-looking control centers, especially because there's now the ability for third-party apps to add and surface controls that you can add to your control center. Yeah.

So, like, let's say the Tesla app adds one where I can cool down my car with a button. I can throw that in the control center, which is convenient, but it's also now a new thing that's also there. So it's just, it gets kind of messy, I think. When there's those like terrible third-party weather apps that have like the worst design in the world

and are making widgets, but you know they're also the most accurate weather ones, so you have to keep using it. Yeah, there's a few things here. I think that the idea is really cool. I think that if you is really cool i think that if you actually spend the time to organize it in a way that makes a lot of sense and works for you it's really cool that they're giving everybody this much control and that's where i

live yes like setting it up spending a way too much time like making it awesome yeah that's what i'm gonna do which is not very apple and it's surprising that they're now doing this yeah um but i can appreciate it i can i just jump in yeah i think that's why i think it's so cool though because i like my screen to have very few things so if i can think of a good wallpaper four icons that i've tinted to a color that i like because it's only a couple right and then now a swipe down with multiple different swipes in there that don't always live on my home screen and i can control everything from there. If I customize all that perfectly, that's the closest I've been to wanting an iPhone.

That's fair. I do think that default could use some work. It now takes an extra step to get to your Wi-Fi settings because when you scroll down now, you have to tap into this bubble that has a bunch of your networking stuff in it. And then you have to hold the Wi-Fi setting to pop up the Wi-Fi context menu.

And then you have to hit the Wi-Fi button and then it brings you to the Wi-Fi page in the settings. It's like a five-step process just to try to find the Wi-Fi network to connect to. And then the other problem is that on the pagination, there's a lot of pagination, I don know beauty pagination pagination sure okay pagination there there's a lot of redundant information so the first page has like all of these options that you can use and it's kind of like all the things that were generally in control center before we're going

to put in the first page but then it also paginates everything so the last menu is all your radios but those radios are already in the first menu as well so it's just like weirdly redundant and that i'm just reiterating like if you actually take the time to sort these out and make them the way that you want them to be i think it's great so do that yeah that's good do that when it comes out nice yes yes do that yeah i think you know generally home screen customization is good i think if you zoom out in the broad scheme of things this still isn't really that much customization you can move your icons wherever sure you can tink your icons sure but there's still so much more that you can still do on Android.

I remember back in the day I had an invisible icon home screen setup. Yeah. So I had a wallpaper that had text on it. And then I had mapped invisible folders to each text so that I'd hit the text on the wallpaper and it would blow up like a section. It was just crazy. I remember that stuff. You could do all sorts of stuff like that. Yeah.

And yeah, this is just a couple more icons. Speaking of invisible folders, they also added hidden folders. Yep. Which just got added on Android, by the way. Oh, really? Yeah. I know there's lots.

Some Android phones had it already and I think maybe AOSP just added it. Yeah. Yeah, they i know there's a lot of android phones had it already and i think maybe aosp just added it yeah yeah because i remember there's been phones that have had this but yes you can you can hide apps in a hidden apps folder i have a question about this because of the way they presented it he did that joke where like craig was like hiding the hair 3d modeler thing but he dragged it to a hidden folder but on the page you could still just see what app was in there yeah so like to close the loop of like locking logging out or whatever yeah does the the folder then hide what is in there or can i just be like oh here's the hidden

folder i can see all the apps that are in there no so so there's a you know how there's the all the way to the right of the home screen, there's all these. Yeah. Yeah. There'll be a hidden apps one at the bottom and then it'll just be like, you won't see what's in there, but it'll be blank and you have to unlock it again with your face ID and that'll be cool. You're hitting bad presentation.

Yes. Part on that. Yeah. Uh, and besides that folder, you can also now lock individual apps so that they require, uh, bio authentication to be able to open them in general. Like each time? Yeah. Yeah.

So that's good, I guess. Yeah, I really, really don't want you to open my Instagram. Yeah. Do you want to know what my least favorite feature is in iOS 18? What? Genmoji. Same. What?

Your least favorite feature? I thought you would be on my side with this okay i feel mixed about it i feel mixed about it okay wait till you see what android phones see so i've always had this theory where you know when they finally added rcs to imessage they caught up a lot of the features that android phones didn't have so now you have typing indicators and high resolution media and all this stuff and so they just went what if we add a bunch of other stuff that isn't supported again so we have a continual divide between iMessage and not iMessage yeah and basically impossible to support in the future if it's

generative this is a lot so this is malicious compliance for sure plenty i just want to say when i first saw the generative the the genmoji, and then I know we'll talk about it later, the image playground sticker integration thing. I was like, wow, this is disgusting and gross. But the more I thought about it, the more I was, this is exactly how I text. And this is going to save me like this morning. Like it was an essential message that I put in Slack. I needed a picture of Nas, the rapper, looking really disappointed. And like, I looked all over the internet. I eventually found one. The joke landed, everyone laughed. But if I could just, and I'm already like always opening runway on my phone

and being like disappointed Nas or whatever it is I need that day. So I think this really streamlines it for me. Streamlines the okay but we didn't actually describe what happens so so yeah there are now more than the normal six tap backs so a tap back just just is the official name for like the six reactions the thumbs up thumbs down the haha the heart you know the ones you already know are there uh apple's gone you know what you can do any emoji as a tap back now. So literally any emoji. And if I'm on Android and I get one of those texts, it's going to say the same text of like,

Marques reacted with star emoji. I'm like, great. Now that if it's a different emoji. So Google Messages hard-coded the six tap backs. The standard ones. That Apple was doing so that it now just smashes it on yeah but now apple was like hmm my turn google now i'm just gonna let you react with any emoji go ahead and hard code all of these well and hard code ones that don't exist until someone generates them

well so we're not talking about genmoji though we're just talking about these are all regular emojis all the regular emojis regular so that's already a thing yes but now there's also genmoji yes genmoji generating your own emoji and you can also tap back a genmoji as a reaction right so there's just no way that can work both ways it's just only going to work inside iMessage yeah i'm okay with that though i just wanted encryption wanted encryption from RCS. That's fair. If iMessage is going to build features on top of that, that's fine. WhatsApp does it. Telegram does it. Not a big deal. I envy you.

Because there are so many kids out there getting bullied because they don't have the Genmojis, man. They can't send back a Genmoji. It really does feel to me like Apple is maliciously complying. They're like, we're getting sued for this. Fine, we'll add what you want're like we're getting sued for this fine we'll add what you want but we're gonna make the experience terrible regardless we're gonna make sure it's still terrible did you notice rcs is still green in the presentation uh-huh same color

green too i actually did analyze that was there any response in the crowd for the half of a second they mentioned rcs yeah people like cheered for a second okay and then they moved on so fast that they didn't have any time to do anything yeah there's a fleeting mention by craig so yeah the gen emoji is interesting because it was trained on the apple emoji set so whatever you develop looks exactly like an apple emoji it looks realistic which is cool um you can also now tap back with stickers which if you don't know what a sticker is basically you can like cut out any image with the the semantic segmentation thing that they have in the photos app and just lob it into your chat and then it can just be in your chat horrible messy chat i love them yeah

discord has it and we have some great stickers on our discord stickers are like they're at least attached to the messages because you can throw stickers just in as messages. You can throw them all over the place. iMessage. The way iMessage does it is ridiculous. You can literally paste it anywhere in the field, but now you can also tap back with the sticker. It won't show it in the emoji tap back area.

It'll hang it on the bottom. It's so horrible. It's ridiculous. Chaos. We're vandalizing messages. There's like superscript and subscript and all kind of oh wait we didn't we mentioned it but the the like animating different words inside of text messages also the amount of sarcasm that you can portray in a text message now i think i'm switching

to iphone just for that just so that youressage friends will see the sarcasm. Yeah. So there are now text effects for individual words that you want to do. So iMessage had all these features where if you said happy birthday, there would be balloons that would go up. If you said happy new year, there'd be fireworks. It automatically did all these things.

And you could also make certain texts like big or small or yell. And it was like six different effects like that. They added a bunch of extra effects and now you can make it happen to individual words so you can have a string of words and just add different text effects to different words and it's crazy and now there's also text formatting so you can strike through you can bold you can underline which personally i think everything should have text formatting so that that's good. But it really does feel like texting apps

are now just becoming synonymous with all of these internet-based messaging apps. They're pulling in all of the features. Just full-on WhatsApp. Yeah, pretty much. They probably feel a lot of pressure, and they're just like, we have to offer feature parity

to get people to still want to use iMessage. Here's another nice little one that's exclusive to iMessage. Scheduled messages. Oh my god. The way these work is just with iMessage. So if you want to do a scheduled iMessage, you can type out the message. By the way, you can just do this on an Android phone and it just works. But if you want to schedule an iMessage, you can write it out and you can go through the UI and decide when you want to send it. And because it's going through iMessage specifically, it can also work and you can go through the UI and decide when you want to send it. Because it's going through iMessage specifically, it can also work if you lose cell connection or if your phone dies because

it's already in the iMessage cloud and will go to that iMessage user. Cool. No. Not great that it doesn't work everywhere. Play the clip. Then there's also messages via satellite,

which will be via SMS or iMessage, but not RCS. Yeah. They said that they reduced the protocol. They spent a lot of work shrinking down the iMessage protocol to make it work over satellite. And I was like, I would like to see proof that that is true because that definitely seems like a thing you would just say yeah um but yeah so the schedule send messages thing their reasoning

for that was that you know if your phone dies or you lose your phone or whatever it'll still send personally I'm like I don't really want a scheduled message to send if I lost my phone or if my phone dies because then if the person replies right away I'm not going to reply you know I don't know I think it's a bad reason because Android's had it forever and they should just do what Android did but they will never do that yeah okay

there's so much stuff guys there's so much stuff updates to the mail app not a ton of updates here well we'll get we'll get into the more of the updates later yet the mail app now has categories it looks just like gmail here wait i can do a whole bunch of these really quick okay the mail app now has categories like gmail the maps app now has topographic view and you can do offline hiking maps like all trails another another sherlock moment uh you can

now do tap to send people cash you know kind of like venmo without having them in your contacts without having them in your contacts just tap them uh you can now use game mode same as uh maybe any android phone with a game mode it should reduce background activity free up some ram and reduce latency great uh photos app now has a little bit of a redesign and we'll get into the ai stuff in a bit rcs it happened uh and also that's it yeah that's the good stuff yeah that's most of the good stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, there's a ton of changes to iOS 18. iPadOS 18 got a lot of these same changes. Same home screen.

You can make it look like puke. The control center is the same mess until you fix it. And now there is a new intelligent tab bar in certain Apple apps that will sort of float above the content of those apps and you can change around the way it works. So it's basically like a sidebar that you're now putting on a tab bar. That's clever. Which I think is very similar to what Android phones have been doing, the bigger Android phones that have the little contextual bars at the bottom that let you hop around.

I think they kind of took that from that. There's a new share play feature now, which is basically just for kids and people our age that have to do tech support for our parents it's exactly what it's for yeah so now you can remote in yeah you can remote into someone else's ipad because of course your parent has an ipad and you can show them your taps so that you can teach them how to do things on on their ipad and also you can just take over their ipad remotely and do stuff for them this yeah can you do it on a computer or do i also need an ipad look they showed it with another ipad so i believe you need another ipad yeah yeah uh but the most impressive exciting thing about the iPad

iOS 18 or iPad OS 18 is the calculator you did it we did it Joe I was so ready to dunk on this I was so ready to dunk on this you had the Craig clip already pulled up and had it queued up I was ready to dunk on this you had the craig clip already pulled up and had it

queued up i was ready to send it i there's that okay for those who rewind a little bit the ipad has not had a calculator app for many years and ever when i and to the point where it's kind of a meme like the ipad is the most powerful tablet in the world but also why there's no calculator app like it's kind of they needed m4 well so then i finally asked craig federighi head of software at apple and he wasn't kind of expecting the question but he gave me one which was you know we haven't done it just because when we do something new we actually want to be able to do it in a way that's like wow what a great thing that they did so we just haven't gotten around to the calculator yet and i along with the entire rest of the internet and the entire comment section

went that's kind of a joke of an answer you could have done a calculator a long time ago yeah and so they started to actually tell us in this wwdc hey guys we actually we made a calculator for the ipad and they showed the first screenshots and it looked exactly like the iPhone. And I was like, oh, you waited years to just give us this and there's nothing here. And then they pulled up a button in the corner that said math notes. And he took off the Apple pencil

and they started doing handwritten math. And I went, oh, oh wow they did it they actually delivered on the promise of a calculator that is really impressive and unique for the ipad now the spoiler is this is also coming to the iphone but we're going to ignore that yeah we're going to ignore that because math notes is amazing so So what is Math Notes? Math Notes is literally if you like handwrite an equation, and it's mostly simple equations. It doesn't do calculus or anything.

But if you just handwrite an equation, three plus five equals in your handwriting, just write equals and it will write the answer. It will write the eight in your handwriting too, which is pretty sick. It's pretty awesome. It can do division, long division, order of operations,

any equation you write, you just hit equals and it'll solve it for you. It'll recognize your handwriting and do the math. That's amazing. It can also do graphs for you. It can also do adjusting graphs based on sliding around your variables. It can do variable recognition.

You can set your variables at the top of the page and then it will know that g is 8 plus 14 plus 9 yeah it it's and the way you can adjust it is like if x is equal to 8 but you want it to be it has like a slider and you can slide like up 8 9 10 11 12 and like back and it'll change all of the equations that reference that live adjust in references david g is actually 9.8 meters per second square yeah that's true it actually is but that's actually 9.81 meters per second but the fact that it does all that through recognizing your handwriting and in basically real time i've never seen that before it's very impressive i don't know if i would actually use this but if i was in 10th grade physics again,

I would be using this. I would. It's very cool. It works. Like I was thinking about when I was in physics class and it works the exact same way where you set all your variables at the top of the page and you start writing out the equations and it just fills in everything for you. And the cool thing about this is it's not like taking away you doing the math in your brain it's just taking away

the parts that you had to punch into a calculator separately yeah so you're still like you still have to know like okay gravity is this and so if i'm multiplying gravity by this then you're getting this you're still working out the equation on your own in your head it's just that instead of punching something into a calculator it's just doing that in real time yeah which is very cool you still need to know the y equals MX plus B yeah to know like the equations you want to use but the fact that it actually does the math yeah I mean it should it's a powerful computer but yeah it does it and it works in a way where you can change a variable like lower down the page so if you set G to something up here and then

lower down the page you change you say G equals this it'll now know that g equals that just because it's lower down the page so it works from the top left to the bottom right just a lot of very well considered yeah i was impressed i think it's really cool you said they delivered do you still think this was worth the what 10 year wait to have a calculator yeah because google can do calculations too and i just did this like this was really cool and a great like presentation but feels like you're not convinced to wait that long for a calculator like this was not worth not putting the calculator i have never seen anything like this before i'm not saying i've seen anything like it i think andrew what i'm just saying is they could have just done the basic calculator view

and then added math notes later. Which is true also, but the argument that we all called BS on was we wanted to deliver something really special and we thought they were just going to do a regular calculator. So the fact that they delivered on something really special is why I'm like, they delivered. Yeah.

I think. Fair. I think it took way too long i was gonna say because they have done this like four years ago you think they needed their current capabilities you said this works a14 forward a14 yeah okay yeah so which actually a few generations ago yeah so now that they've built it and you may have an older iphone or an older ipad you can still use this which is cool um but yeah the fact that so this comes from one of the other features which we'll get into the stuff later but script smart script smart script smart script is another very interesting version of this where it's not quite ai but you can write in the notes app in your handwriting and it will as you're writing live straighten it to be on a straight

line it'll clean up some of your letters to be more legible yeah it'll auto correct it will auto correct in your handwriting it will justify it'll justify it so if you're like writing like this it straightens it and then it also puts it against the net yeah really i think this is really cool and like you can scribble things out and it'll just erase it. And reformat and fill in the text where it was. All of that is in the same vein to me. All of this is really clever and a good use of, if you happen to have an Apple Pencil and an iPad, this is potentially game-changing, awesome note-taking for you.

I need to see how it handles sh** handwriting because I have horrific handwriting. So we're working on some videos about these features and we're using them right now. Not going to show them on camera because we're technically not allowed to yet, but David, no offense.

No offense. But your handwriting was a really good test. It was in cursive. It was a good test. I wrote it in cursive. David's four was in cursive. It was a good test. I wrote it in cursive. David's four looks like a nine. It was a good test. That's just embarrassing.

I can't believe you brought that back up. So we're going to try this a lot more, but I think that's kind of hand-in-hand with the math notes thing. I will say I thought the math notes got it wrong, and then I just realized that my four looked exactly like a nine. So you do have to have okay handwriting, of which I do not. But yeah, it's very cool. They thought it out really well.

You can access Math Notes from the calculator app. You can also access it from the notes app. You can just hop into Math Notes from there. And the way that they index it is when you hop into Math Notes, it looks exactly like the notes app. So you have all the separated notes that you can name and you can like index by certain time and stuff like that um and it's just a separate section of the notes app now but it will open it in math and save a bunch of them yeah it's really freaking cool i i honestly if i was in sixth through twelfth grade i would buy an ipad for this feature i kind of want an

ipad for just smart scripts I think it's really cool. And I've been leaning towards wanting an iPad lately. I don't know. iPad needs MagSafe. I know they wouldn't announce that it does, but MagSafe on an iPad. Wait, MagSafe or? MagSafe for accessories on the back.

Because I wanted a handle accessory that I could just pop off really easily or to be able to prop it up on things but not affect the actual design without a case. Yeah they couldn't have added at wwc yeah but i do i do want an ipad with magsafe just so it can be like a smart home like we talked about that for years so guys stop leaking there are a ton of magnets in the ipad already and the way the folio attached to the back, it's not called MagSafe,

but it slaps on the back of the magnet. So here's exactly what I want it for. Do you know how we have the robot iPad and I have that little handle on the back? I had to adhere a piece of Velcro onto it. So if I could have a strap that I could hold with one hand that I could just onto the back, that's first party and I know it's going to hold it and I can just pop it off.

That'd be sick. That would be awesome yeah right now you should put that handle on the folio like cut the front of the folio off and then like put the handle on the back of the folio so you can just pop the whole thing off and it'll just slap on with magnets that sounds or they can just add maxi yes i want it because i want it to work the same way that the pixel tablet works where it's like a it's like an yeah it's a visual apple home device that shows you your photos and everything and then when you use your ipad because i don't feel like i would use the ipad that often but if it doubled as a home device what's the why can i remember the name of the iphone where it's like landscape next to your

computer oh that's called um standby imagine an ipad mini with standby exactly or any standby mode that's the thing we finally have an oled ipad but it doesn't do standby yeah it could and they made it thinner which i'm like if you have to put mac if you put MagSafe in it, then you have to put a bunch of wireless charging coils. So how do you do that with how thin it is? I guess they would want it to be. They would want it. I don't care if it's wirelessly charging, but they're going to want to make it. It is metal.

Maybe they can make a glass circle on the back or something. Wait, why would it matter that it's metal? Because you can't wirelessly charge through metal. Inductive wireless charging doesn't work through metal. Really? Yeah. Really? Yep. Especially when the iPhone has glass on the back. Andrew, I just sent you an iPad pistol grip.

I think that might solve your problem. Well, while Andrew looks up the pistol grip on the iPad, we should take a quick break, which does mean we've got time for some more trivia trivia dude this looks oh no trivia music were you paying attention oh oh boy you mentioned craig's joke app of hair track pro while discussing hidden folders on iOS. But do you remember what hardware he demonstrated pairing

with the HairTrack Pro? Yes. You do? Question mark. I need the full name and you'll get... Or the technology used in the full name. I'll take either one. For a point. Okay.

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Switch to Quest Wealth Portfolios today and keep more of your money conditions apply welcome back and now we are going to talk about the ai section of the presentation not that kind of ai not that kind of ai alan iverson this is now a 76ers podcast yes but i just had a question for david and marquez before we jump into this at how was it at the event because we all didn't go this year so like what was the vibe like when you were sitting there during this part because for this part for me sitting here in the studio watching it on the tv it was kind of boring was that the same vibe in steve jobs very interesting thing uh usually dub dub is two hours and they go over each feature for a little bit,

and then they move on. This year, they did the entire keynote in one hour, and then did an entire hour for the AI portion. So at the beginning, they were just like, and now the Apple Watch has this feature, and also you can do this, and then now we're on this. Oh, tvOS time!

It was just like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah. do this and then now we're on this oh tv os time is just like boom boom boom boom boom yeah uh yeah so they they kind of drew out the ai feature a little bit but there is a lot there so i mean what do you think yeah it kind of felt like a youtube video design for retention we all went there knowing that they were going to talk about ai and they spent the first hour going they they literally said ai zero times in the first hour actually and we noticed that we were like how many times I'm gonna say AI it was zero they talked through a whole bunch of stuff and we were curious about it and there's some good stuff in the calculator blah blah but then when Tim Cook

came back on stage it was this moment of okay the keynote is either about to end or it's about to begin yeah and that was the beginning and he said a artificial intelligence for the first time and then there was a sort of a you know all right here we go for the second half yeah warm up in the first half they literally kept skirting the words so much they said generative intelligence once they said intelligence multiple times and it's kind of crazy because they actually did say ai eight times in the ipad m4 keynote and then they just were like you know what we're not gonna do that he said it once just to dunk on it yeah so yeah yeah okay so that was like the vibe there was just very like like anticipatory like oh it's about to begin now i think so okay we all

we all knew it was coming i'm sure there were some people there who were like oh wow intelligence yeah let's talk about that too but i think most of us knew that was coming. Yeah. That happened. They did it. They rebranded AI to Apple Intelligence. It's Apple Intelligence for them now. The meme is real.

Great. I'm sad none of us guessed that. It's so obvious. To be fair, we did do that entire video on things they didn't say and refused to say. To be fair, we did do that entire video on things they didn't say and refused to say. And the reason that I theorize that they didn't do that is because they didn't really have control over this word in a lexicon. Like virtual reality, they don't say virtual reality or VR because other companies kind of own that now. And if something goes crazy with VR, they can always say, oh, we don't do VR.

We do this other thing over here. There's all these buzzwords that are now associated with like negative things like metaverse or crypto like it's all just like scams and money pits so they just don't say those words and ai for the longest time was one of those words and instead of continuing to say machine learning or whatever there's so much pressure from the world that we live in that they have to be an AI company. They just have to own it. They have to talk about AI. So they're doing AI, but it's Apple's way. It's AI when it's positive and it's Apple intelligence when AI has a negative connotation.

Exactly, right. Best of both worlds. They have their cake and they're eating it too. They have done it. So to be perfectly clear, Apple intelligence specifically is using these new generative models, not just the regular AI stuff. So these are the diffusion models.

These are the large language models to do things locally on the phone using Apple built models instead of just the AI features we already know and love from other stuff. That's the main difference. that's the main difference so whenever you see a writing tool or a generative fill in a background of a photo or new things that use these these models like image playgrounds and all this sort of stuff that we're going to talk about like gen ai all of that falls under the apple intelligence umbrella which makes a lot of sense as much as i'm annoyed that they just like rebranded it to be based on their name i am equally annoyed that the entire industry just took the word ai and decided that transformer based large language models or transformer based diffusion models are now all ai i hate that so it is kind of cool that they're separating it kind of wish they didn't do it by saying we're the only one that exists but that apple is gonna apple so yeah yeah so i think my general thought well actually i think we should just start with the fundamentals which is these are all apple

built models i don't think that was super clear watching the presentations yeah but these are apple built models and yes we asked the question what this trained on? And we got a lot of the same answers. Publicly available information, licensed data, free things available on the web. That's kind of all you get to know about how Apple trained their stuff. The Miramar-ty answer. Yeah. And I didn't really get to dig or interview, because like I said at the beginning, there was no time to actually ask follow-up questions in these interviews. I would have loved to have asked him about this stuff and followed up.

And I probably still will try to ask. But the point is Apple made all of these models. And the thing about these generative models is some of them are small enough and can perform tasks on device, which is the preferred fastest method. You can do things offline. They all happen quickly in the silicon, but there are occasionally large enough or complex enough requests that you need

to take advantage of a larger model or something that has a little bit of a wider training set or whatever it is. So Apple's larger models live on apple built servers that they will communicate with to do some of these larger requests and then finally if you ask siri or ask the writing tool something that specifically draws from like world knowledge or something that Apple's set of training doesn't really include, it will actually literally ask you, do you mind if I go to ChatGPT for this one? And ChatGPT is what they figure is the best one right now. They've opened the door to possibly adding Gemini and others in the future. But it will literally ask you, can I send this request to ChatGPT? And you can approve at any moment. So any explicit request for uploading a photo

or uploading data from a query, it's all free. You don't need an account. You can log in with an account if you want to to string those things together. And to use the like pro features of ChatGPT. And I believe if you connect to your chat GPT pro account, that information will also show up

in your chat GPT portal. Right. Yeah. So that's the basics of how these models work. Yeah. So all of that comes down to like, what are the features

that you get out of these models that are now on the phone and on Apple servers? And they are things like writing tools so anywhere there's a text uh cursor in mac os or on your phone you can proofread you can have things rewritten in different styles or in different amounts of text you can shorten things all of those writing tools are potentially really useful um you can have it summarize your phone's notifications or sort of decide it's almost like the same thing we just saw on android yeah i don't love this it's it's kind of weird so

they're they now have priority notifications and basically i think that this is just their way of cleaning up how terrible ios notifications have gotten where you get 8 000 notifications on your page but now it'll show you priority notifications based on a number of factors like when it was sent, if there's a text inside of the notification that says things like tonight or in two hours or something like that, it'll surface this at the top. That's cool. The thing I don't love about it is that it just summarizes the notification and tells you something here.

So if my friend Kylie texted me, it'd be like, Kylie wants to know when you want to have dinner instead of just showing me her message that says, when do you want to have dinner tonight? And that just feels a little bit impersonal, but it does act in a way that a actual human personal assistant would act, right?

That's true. It's giving you notifications and then you click on it, and then you can reply to her texts. So there is that. I think there was also, if certain apps are sending too many notifications and you're not actually using them or going through them. Yeah, so it can figure that out

and prioritize ones that you actually are responding to and activating um yeah which i thought seemed pretty cool the google home app will if i don't do anything it'll just send me notifications of there is motion there is motion there is motion there is motion and i don't click it ever but then it might be like the doorbell just rang i don't need to know about all the motion stuff but i probably do want to know about the right so stuff like but i still want you to record all the motion and i watch yeah. Some of those settings are really annoying in Google Home. And then there's all the generative stuff.

So there is a new feature in the Apple Photos app, which will let you do exactly what Magic Eraser does on the Pixel and all the Google phones, which is it'll figure out what's the foreground, figure out what's the background and unwanted subjects and allow you to erase them. Yeah. It does this actually, I think,

a little bit better than Magic Razor does right now. It's pretty clean. Yeah. Speaking of clean, they call the feature cleanup. So you click the cleanup button and then it highlights automatically the objects that it thinks you want to get rid of, which is already pretty cool. Google's also does that. Oh.

It's just not as colorful and pretty. Got it. Yeah. But then also they the like circle something else and remove it which cleverly would obscure part of your circle if it went behind the subject just like little stuff like that yeah it works better yeah sorry i was just saying i immediately noticed that and when david came in i was like was that on purpose or like a bad edit or but like no it's it's recognizing the subject and circling behind it so you're not worried about like

chipping off your shoulder because somebody walked right behind. Right. With magic eraser, you had to be very careful about making sure that you didn't actually erase over something else. But because this is doing that semantic segmentation where it knows where the foreground and the background is,

if it sees you circling over the background first, you can still hover over the foreground and it'll only erase the background. Yeah. Which is very smart. Yeah. There's also the image playground app, which will literally let you, this is so weird,

but it's literally just an image generation app. It'll give you a little square image of whatever prompt you want in literally one of three styles. What are the styles? It was drawing, illustration, sketch, and something else, right? Like a super limited image generation tool. Very basic.

And so that makes it very clear why you should also have the ability to go to ChatGPT and generate other images because these are very limited. Yeah, they made a dedicated image playground app too, which I don't... It's kind of weird. It basically is like a dedicated DALI tool and you can use it to create

images and then it upscales it and then you can use it in other apps and stuff. This is the one thing where I'm like, Genmoji made sense because we already had these emoji and now you're just generating new emojis in the apple emoji style but this is just like an image generation tool built onto the device which i'm like yeah does anyone actually like that i thought they showed a few good examples whether those specific ones were because i know you guys were

talking about this before but one of them was like is that uh image playground sorry I forgot yeah image playground like if you were in notes and say you were writing something and you wanted to have an image if you like drew a circle then it would take the context of things you were writing around plug those in you can add anything and then it would create an image that fits with yeah so that's called magic wand oh sorry that's a new feature that they're introducing but that's what that's the same thing it's using that to get in there yeah the way it connects through the other first party apps i thought was pretty cool you know what they should do with image playground let you connect it to whatever animoji was using so now you can create something and then no no no animoji where you used to be able to make you make a shark talk oh yeah so now

in image playground i could create a bunny chef and i could speak as the bunny chef yo tim are you watching this tim cook are you watching this 19 baby this could happen yeah yeah so that's all stuff that's you know different levels of useful and i guess the last one that got a big update is siri yeah siri is gone forever without any major updates and this being the first big one it gets a new animation it's got this full outside of the screen like you know pretty subtle but nice animation when you talk to it we haven't heard a new voice but there seems to be some rumblings about a new voice so we'll check out if there's any voice updates um by the way i watched her on the plane just throw that one out there podcast canceled this is all we're

talking about it's not so i can confirm that the new series is not scarlett johansson's voice but now when i hear scarlett johansson's voice i think now when I hear Scarlett Johansson's voice, I think of her, the movie. What'd you think? Yeah. Rate it. Decent movie. Out of 10. Decent movie.

I thought, you know, it's not my typical style of movie, but I, I would say I'm glad I watched it. And I appreciated a lot of the takes about the different pros and cons of relationship with AI. That sounds like a 4.7 out of 10. That's what I wanted. Me personally, six. Cool.

Me personally. They got some things really right. And so like things they got right, everyone uses AirPods. Things they got wrong, everyone uses Surface Duo. Yeah, I guess I didn't know when the movie came out, when I watched it. And now knowing that it's like a 10 year old movie,

it was like, oh, they got a lot of stuff. One year before airpods yeah the earpiece thing was solid also when she generates music and generates pictures and she's like it's a new update and I don't know yeah so that

anyway it's cool we've all seen her now except for oh right except for him Andrew Himi Mang i've never seen her yeah manganelli him and nelly yeah siri siri has a whole bunch of abilities and coming later this year i think are some more even more important abilities which are the ability to plug into and take actions inside of apps yeah um you remember when bix that was like bixby's thing where i could like set my alarm for 7 30 and also send uh my address to like send

a text with my address like it could do things for you inside of apps siri is going to get that ability and with third-party apps as well yeah that could be cool and when is so this is something i was a little confused about maybe you guys got do you know when that's coming later this year yeah because they like very quickly segmented the ai sorry the apple uh intelligence part where they said that and then they were like and there's lots of other new things coming to siri after the launch and then very quickly went into these new things which was like the in-app siri yeah so it's not coming out when ios 18 and who knows seriously okay seems like that one is post-launch hard to say it sounds like my prediction of siri being very whelming well is on the right track yeah they should give it like an

apple marketing name like maybe like a like because it's like an ai that goes and like uses apps for you like a cute animal name, like Lamb. I don't know. That'd be kind of fun. Yeah. Something like that. So there's a lot to talk about with the new Siri. It's very interesting.

She got a new logo, but only in the new Siri versions. So the new logo sort of looks like it looks like a neural network, but without the neurons going in between each other. So it's sort of the circular neural network. And it only exists on the phones and on 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max because it requires the A17 Pro chip or M1 forward laptops. iPads and Macs. Yes. Which, yes, does mean that old iPhones andhone 15s will have a different siri yeah

from the new iphone 15 and the watch still has the old siri watch still has the old siri yeah so there's now two different series it's weird so yeah homepod not getting better with the new siri yeah i know you guys had hopes for the HomePod. Yeah. Kind of reminiscent of Assistant and Bard in a weird way. Not that there's that big of a delta between functionality. Who's Bard? Yeah, exactly. The artist probably knows.

So just this delta in functionality. Apple's being, I don't want to say more intentional. It feels a little bit intentional, but it's also, yeah, it's like the newest silicon is the most capable, so at least I get it. Whereas Google's feels more accidental, like we're focusing on one thing and forgot about the other one. Yeah. But it is, yeah, it is kind of weird that there will not be new Siri on iPhone 15. Yeah, it is weird. The biggest updates are really the more natural language processing. Context-aware stuff.

Yeah. They intentionally, like all of their demos were like, hey Siri, set my alarm for seven. You know what? I don't like getting up that early. Set it for 9.30. You know, one of my pet peeves was the way Apple,

I'm roasting them for no reason right now, but the way Apple employees fake a bad prompt is so bad. It's pretty bad. Set an alarm for, um, just kidding. Set a timer for two minutes. Like, no, okay, great. You're very clear about what you want us to do there. But how does it work in the real world?

Usually I just stumble over my words or use the wrong keywords. Which is cool because when Google Assistant first came out in 2016, Adam and I were both working for Android Authority. And I remember my boss at the time had no idea how to prompt these things. So these Google Homes came out and he was like, hey, G, can you like, I don't know, like maybe like order some stuff for me from the grocery. He was literally like this.

And I had to be like, you can't talk to it that way. You have to use very specific keywords. So now you can, which is very cool. More human-like. Very human-like. And then I think the fact that you can ask it to do certain things in your phone is really awesome. They added some really cool examples. Like there was a play the podcast that Jamie recommended,

which is awesome because then it's reaching into all your communication with Jamie, whether it's an email or messages. This was the moment to me that cemented that rabbit and Humane never had a chance. 100%. Not that, I mean, we already knew. The blips on the radar as you said in the

this these standalone ai devices don't know anything about you and also stubbornly refuse to connect to your phone so they don't know anything about your contacts anything about your lifestyle where where you live any of this stuff that your phone knows and obviously tim cook like emphasized ai must be personal but clearly if you can ask the new Siri there was a thing where I think it said like find every picture I have of this person with this pink dress on from that trip we went to that one place and it goes okay I know what this person is because of your photos I know what they look like I know what a pink dress looks like and I know the GPS tags of your photos and it just pulls up all the exact photos which if that works is

really impressive because it knows everything it has all that information it can dig through your phone it can do everything locally and it's fast and it just works where the humane pin never had a shot at doing any of that because it doesn't know or have any of those those photos starting fresh i feel like that's the magic of when we years ago when we realized you can type into google like who is that actor with the blue jacket in the movie about right yes and but now it's about your personal stuff and you can just find that on your phone and that's that's really cool consider it like that is so powerful that i can actually see myself using siri all the time now because you can just hit like the action button and it comes up.

Also, you can type the Siri, which is very cool. You just tap at the bottom of the iPhone and a little key, a Siri keyboard comes up over whatever app you're in. Yeah. So you could be in the messages app or something and you could hit the little button at the bottom and be like, hey, can you schedule a thing to this person? And it'll automatically do it. And it's automatically do it. And it's also screen contents aware. Yes.

So if there's something happening on your screen, you can ask Siri something about what's on your screen. Yeah. Which is cool. Yeah. So yeah, I think being able to reach into apps like that and pull out contextual information is very, very, very cool. But there was one example they showed

that you were complaining about before that's very funny, which is it can reach into apps but then when you ask it to do things on your phone do you want to well so a bunch of the examples that it gave were like oh you don't know how to do this so you ask siri like hey siri how do i schedule to send a message and then it pulls up a little like from apple instructional manual a little tutorial like step by step and it's like why wouldn't you just tell it to schedule the message instead of asking for the

manual yeah like anyone who would ask for instructions they would ask it to do the thing yeah do the thing that i want you to do right exactly yeah it has all these app capabilities and then when it seems like it's setting based things or yeah like how to do something it just doesn't do it yeah it's almost like that the end prompt of all the google assistant when you're like uh hey can you turn off the lights and it's like it does it and then it says like by the way if you didn't know you can try and do like this every single time you do it yeah it's really really annoying it's very annoying just do the thing because i i can see it bringing up a prompt of how to do things and then like this is better because i don't have to be the it person right but then a relative of mine is going to be like how do i schedule some message and the thing pops up with the instructions and then they call me and they say the instructions

say to do this but i don't know where that is oh god just do it just do it just do it That's the whole point is that you should just be able to tell your device what to do and it should be able to do it. Do it. I am very curious when this actually launches how the UX of this is going to look. For example, if you say send the photos from the barbecue on Saturday to Malia, it was one of their examples. Are you going to be able to see the photos to confirm what they're doing? Because that was something we were talking about on the Humane pin. True, yeah. Without being able to see what it's doing, do you actually trust it?

Right. Yeah. That'd be interesting. Yeah. I have a quick question. Sure. Are we actually going to call it Apple Intelligence? No.

No. Okay. Apple Intelligence is just a suite of features, basically. I just wanted to make sure. It's just generative features. I'm still going to call each feature by its name i think the umbrella of apple intelligence just helps us stay specific about what we're talking about but i don't think i'm actually going to call anything apple intelligence no yeah cool i don't think they really want people to call it that anyway they just want to call it ai or they want to call it siri sorry they probably

just cleverly want to be like yeah we've had ai for years he did say that in the interviews yeah that's what they love saying yeah so i do want to pose a really interesting existential question that i was thinking about on the plane oh no do it do it so now that you can ask siri to do all the stuff on your phone and if you can also ask Siri any question and it will prompt chat GPT for an answer are people gonna just stop using Google as much because what do you have to go to Google for nearly as much a lot of this depends on quality because you can still currently with the normal Siri ask it questions and it's not very good and people would rather Google it. So if Siri gets good enough at asking, at answering questions factually, it minimizes hallucinations and it's a reliable answer to many searches, then I could see that

being a real dilemma. Cause even, yeah, even the fact that you can say like, how do I want to make like a nice chicken parm? And it says, can I send that query to chat gpt instead of googling it like it traditionally would do i think it helps too that you can type to siri now so like it's a search engine there still will be though like shopping and things that need to bring you to physical links where that will be but yeah it does seem like it'd be cut like in half pretty Yeah. If that's the case and if you trust it, which people are going to trust it. If you bring something like that to now the most popular phone in the US at least, in terms of market share, people are just gonna be like, oh, there's a cool new feature on my phone that does everything right.

It is so easy to use. It must all be perfect. Yeah. And that's not the case. I often, often wonder wonder i wish i could see the metrics of all this data of like what people are using and how much they're using it because i just want to know if people stop using google when they have this um how long until gemini's on the phone instead of chat gp they said it is coming i know but how long i did find that

interesting that they said it's opened, it's they partner with OpenAI for some things, but there's space for other ones to be added as well. So like we thought before that deal with Gemini didn't happen because then we saw the deal with OpenAI,

but it sounds like it's just anything could be part of there, which I think is cool. I think it's smart of Apple because they don't want to put all their eggs in one basket. Agreed. And they like still want to keep there. And this is something we didn't really cover that i think they covered right off

the bat because of how important it was is the privacy aspects of all of these different things in their ai features which is like the things on the device are the on-device things and even the ones they need to send to that computing cloud yeah they said it's like on a server that they own running their chips and then each one has to be like third party tested or something before it even is allowed to accept queries. Again, it's a trillion dollar company that's having things that they could make money off of you by so you always have to be skeptical

but I think they did a way, way better job at like saying and showing ways that they are taking privacy. In the presentation, Craig's had security so many times in the presentation. That Apple lock icon, which is one of the best icons they've ever made, was like 30% of that entire like second half of the thing. It was just like, cool, cool, cool. Just remember this is private like though. And they had to reiterate it so many times yeah it's kind of wild um yeah did we do it that's apple intelligence and it will come later this year so we don't really get to test any of this stuff

actually most of the features that they announced at wwdc on most of the platforms are not in any of the betas yet. Yeah. So TBD on how well they actually work. Yeah. But that's where you should just subscribe now so that when we actually do know, we'll be able to tell you. There you go.

And using machine learning, your computer should have glowed when we said subscribe. I was going to say, could you say like, Siri, subscribe to that podcast I listened to before? That'd be cool. That would be sweet. That that'd be cool and then if i say it out loud and it's playing on their speaker yeah could when this comes out we're saying that and just watch our numbers fly hey sir hey sir subscribe to that waveform podcast hey siri send this podcast to everyone in my contacts confirm yes go yes hey siri play the trivia music oh dude i thought it was i thought it was later what the hell segue later this year well done andrew that's two that's two good segues

question number one if you're there and I'm here then who's flying the plane Siri Siri my Siri's been triggered I think we're all ready alright

who wants to go first? It was Phil You guys both got it wrong? Yeah we messed up What did you write? Jaws Philly Damn Andrew

Were you there? Actually I didn't even tune in That was a second why did we both think jaws i'm very confused how you both got the same wrong answer they barely even showed him he had like aviators and uh yeah like pilot hat on too journey yes is he like less present in the company now paying attention is that why he'll yeah yeah oh at least in presentations he's not really all right quick update on the score marquez with 11 dang it andrew with 10 oh i thought i caught up david with nine i deserve

that oh you do deserve i thought you were ahead of me no we haven't we're the same we are the same we're all the same we're all this beautiful world what hardware did craig federighi demonstrate pairing with the hairTrack Pro app? Which is hard to say. Say that five times real fast. Is this an existing product or a made-up product? It's a made-up product. I will give you that.

It's a made-up product? Wait, do you guys think HairTrack Pro is a real app? I thought, no, but I thought like he paired it with a real product, like he was using it on something else. I also find it hilarious that they had to go around Tinder so hard. Wait, what are you talking about? Because what are you going to put in your hidden apps folder? When they started their example of the HairTrack Pro,

every single person there replaced HairTrack Pro in their head with Tinder. Because you can't even really put like apple won't let anything remotely adult even on the app store to begin with so the tinder is about yeah the only thing like you don't want anyone to know you have this app yeah yeah but you have this app right there are like nobody cares if i'm using a hair styling app really embarrassing embarrassing flip them and read. What do you got? I didn't even write anything.

I got smart blow dryer. That's a great guess if it's not right. We'll see what everyone else said. Andrew, what did you write? I saw nothing. Marques? I don't even remember. marquez i did i forgot i didn't remember i wrote hair analysis product so because we're doing closest delta with this oh wow david gets the point what was the actual answer the answer was lidar hair dryer yeah yeah you said a smart blow dryer that's literally what that is in there it should count the question was the full name or the technology used and you gave me neither but

i'll give it to you i think you should get it we're giving you the point don't get greedy i remember seeing the icon yeah i do remember that as well what was the you had a bonus question or else we have multiple but i remember what the how about who can draw the app logo the closest uh it just looks like i do have it here in front of us it was green no no no the hair for the hair the hair track pro yeah the one that he hit wait you're just gonna let andrew make questions that he's good at no because our bonus question goes as follows in the intro cinematic again uh-huh everyone on the apple team was wearing apple branded flight suits with an apple emblem that apple emblem comes from one specific apple device what device was it andrew looks disappointed

at me. I remember what it looks like, but I don't. What device did that emblem first appear on? Wait, first appear? It only was on one. I think both. I think it's only part of one family. And I'm not looking for like... Family?

David, you're out of this question. Is it just Andrew and Marques? No, I're out of this question. Is it just Andrew and Marquez? No, I wrote it down. Newton. All three of you are wrong. Where was the thing hanging from? Their back. It was on their back, their legs, and their chest.

The stripe? The stripe. Oh, okay. Which was a wallpaper for... A wallpaper? The stripe. Oh, okay. Which was a wallpaper for... A wallpaper? The iPhone. Wait, it's just the colors from the old Apple logo? Specifically, the diagonal rainbow stripe is an old iPhone wallpaper.

That's like an iPhone 6 or something. Yes. Oh. You want to do an even harder one? I thought you meant a logo like on a device. I feel like that's on multiple different Apple things. It's just an iPhone wallpaper. Because it's diagonal.

It's just an iPhone wallpaper. I think I'm on the device. Does harder mean you have to pay even closer attention than that? And you have to be kind of a psycho. Because we were taking furious notes, and I feel like we're at a disadvantage with the extremely nuanced questions. I had a seven-month-old that's teething. Which means you got the high level

details. It's perfect. I wasn't even in the same room. You could just do this and start it. You glanced over and you were like oh, diagonal. Cool. What sneakers was Tim Cook wearing at this year's WWDC

24? I don't know what kind they were. I can picture them because he wore them in my interview. Draw them. Actually, Marquez, I believe he wore a different pair of sneakers in your interview. So if you want to name those, I will also accept those. I have both of them here. I'm assuming you're not accepting just the

company name. No, because he is on the board of directors of that company and will never wear shoes by another company. I realized his glasses are Nike also. Are they really in the interview yeah yeah they do have the front half was black and the back half was white and i remember that it was blue all right let's see it it's what you're the one who edited all of it uh i think we should give andrew the point when do you put what is that andrew put not a shoe he was wearing but my favorite sneaker of all time god i wish we could give it to you marquez i remember those like one of one ipad design

nikes those were incredible not on his feet this time rainbow oh you said unfortunately no this time here he was wearing uh the on the roof, he was wearing the Nike Air Max Alpha Trainer 5s. And in your interview, Marquez, he was wearing Nike Pegasus 89s. I don't know anything about shoes. You know, he never came off the roof. He's still there? In the video. Someone get him off!

He was on the ground halfway through. Yeah, but he was back on the roof at the end. Oh. The ending part, he was like, thanks for coming to WWE DC. He was on the roof. Oh. Yeah. Huh.

Yeah. Do we think he's? I think he's still there. Yeah. Can we have one more question? If I had one? I thought you said you had multiple bonus questions. I've given you four.

Really? I've given you two bonus, four in total. What more do you want from me? I guess that's technically multiple. At one point, someone... Oh, here it is. Here it is. In the elevator.

In the elevator. When the guy gets the call and he does not want to pick up the call. Oh, yeah. Who's calling him? I said this in the episode. Okay, never mind. We'll go.

Grandma? But I need to know what he refers to his grandmother as. Oh. First. Nana? Nana? I only remember this because it was so silly. It was very silly.

It was so silly. It was very silly. I'm pretty proud of that. Let's see it was so silly. It was very silly. It was so silly. It was very silly. I'm pretty proud of that. Let's see it. Put Grammy. Gam Gam. The correct answer is, in fact, Gam Gam. Gang Gang.

That was a fake bonus question, right? Andrew, tied with Marquez. Quick, Marquez, take us out before David asks for another one. Yeah, I think that's it. Next time, I'll be asking Siri the answers to trivia and just comparing the answers with what I come up with. Later this year. Yeah, later this year.

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