Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - EVs During the Super Bowl and iMessage Reactions on Android

Episode Date: February 18, 2022

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of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. And I'm Andrew. And in today's episode, we're talking, let's see, a couple things. We're going to talk about some of the mixing of iMessage and RCS and reactions that's been happening lately. Kind of interesting to follow. Also, we're going to talk about smartphone trade-ins, some really crazy deals you can get in the Samsung world.

But first off, we've got to talk about the Super Bowl. Just a little bit, a little bit of classic media, I guess. Yeah, classic media talking about future tech. Look at that. I didn't even write that down. A little transition, if you will. We had the Super Bowl this weekend. And I think one thing we were guessing at the studio

is how many EV ads we would see. And we're definitely not the only people who thought that. Yeah, I was trying to set an over-under. How many electric vehicle commercials do we think we're going to see at the Super Bowl? Because the Super Bowl is kind of like our litmus for like what's trending in the world of, I guess, advertising, but really in just like-

Just mainstream, yeah. Yeah, in mainstream. It turned out crypto had not just a moment, but several of them as some of the biggest commercials, which I thought was really interesting. I'm not sure if there were more crypto or electric car commercials. I think there was more electric car,

but there was more crypto than I expected. And there was also that terrible MetaQuest commercial that was just brutal. I remember a long time ago, it was a homework assignment. I think this was high school actually, where the homework assignment was to watch the Superbowl specifically for the commercials and to take notes

and to see, this was definitely like an advertising writing class, something like that. And to see like what we noticed about the commercials. And that's like stuck with me ever since. Like I just, I pay attention to the ads during the Superbowl. It's the biggest traditional commercial moment of the year, at least in this country. Yeah, it's gotten worse and worse over the years.

Less and less creative, but there's still some good ones. I actually, as I was writing this down and talking, looking through and re-watching all the EV ones, I came to the conclusion I thought the EV ads were the best of the Super Bowl. If like you had to pick all the commercials in a category, i thought the ev ads were the best of the super bowl if like you had to pick all the commercials in a category i thought the ev ones were some of the best some of the most creative some of the funniest i feel like we always get like three out of every 10 of the commercials probably the majority uh are like miller light or bud light or some budweiser commercial and they're not as good as doritos they always have some commercials like there's always a certain set number of like pillar advertisers that we're used to seeing um so

the ones that aren't those are a little more interesting to pay attention to because we're so used to seeing that funny enough though they still are kind of the pillar the ones we specifically saw and we'll get into that is like legacy car manufacturing in the u.s is huge and like gm ford all of these car companies are always making a ton of commercials. And they're some of the biggest. It's just interesting that this year, almost all of those were EV based.

Yeah. So it feels like it's bringing EV to the masses. And that's kind of what I wanted to talk about here because there were a lot of them and they were good. Yeah. Also, this is a random tidbit. Did you see on Twitter, Doug DeMuro tweeted a screenshot of them, and they were good. Yeah. Also, this is a random tidbit, but did you see on Twitter, Doug DeMuro tweeted a screenshot of his YouTube analytics during the Super Bowl?

No. And he got a bump of a couple thousand views on his Kia EV6 review video. Interesting. Because as soon as that commercial aired, people went to YouTube and looked it up. Let's start right there. Let's start at the Kia commercial. Yeah, yeah. Well, okay.

My over-under, I set it at nine and a half yeah i was very optimistic i thought there would be a lot but i thought there would be some real cars and then some like we're gonna electrify our future with like type ads ones that still showed cars are just like we're generic broad okay toyota here we come there will be lots of evs that type of commercial toyota was one of the main sponsors of the super bowl i don't recall them mentioning ev didn't even mention it yeah yeah lots of pickup trucks so we did get a bunch of actual ev commercials that we want to talk about so you want to start with the kia yeah yeah i don't have to talk through all of them i have them all written down in case we want to reference it but i i thought the kia one was

one of my favorites and that's my favorite in my group of people watching the kia one got some of the most talk as well funnily enough because someone a bunch of people like that's the new hyundai i was like it's not but you're also right because it's built on the same base same platform but did you want to talk about the the robot dog and yeah it was basically like there's this world of real dogs and then robot dogs and the robot dogs feel basically like there's this world of real dogs and then robot dogs and the robot dogs feel left out but they really want to connect with humans and so it sees this uh this kia ev6 on the street and it's like wow i really connect with that and so this adorable robot dog goes on a quest to connect with the robot car and eventually it jumps into the sunroof

and then the battery dies it's a whole yeah for whatever reason it deems the sunroof and then the battery dies. It's a whole adventure. Yeah, for whatever reason, it deems the best way to connect with the EV6 is to jump from the roof of a building in the city. Yeah. Classic. And then, yeah, its battery dies. And then here's a question I actually have about this. So the battery dies, it lands on the floor, and then the guy plugs it into the charging port on his car

and charges it at lightning speeds, by the way. Warp charging can take a step back to what the charging speeds on that dog was. Yeah. And it charges. Do they have some sort of the F-150 backwards reverse charging? See, when I saw that,

when I saw that, I thought he unplugged the car and plugged in the dog with the same thing. No, he very specifically plugs back into the car. And then there's like a USB cable going into that, which is also like robot dog, 2022 USB. Are you kidding me?

Come on. Okay. So I didn't know. Right. Yeah. I don't, I'm not aware of that being a real feature that is shipping. I would love if that's how they announced it.

We will have reverse charging from the key. He's six all your robot dogs but not for other cars just for robot pets just for robot pets that would be solid no i like that commercial a lot i did i also think the ev6 looks really nice i really really sharp it's really sharp it is the ionic 5 but like the sharper sportier version i feel like and i like it a lot and uh there was an ionic five commercial also from hyundai uh a caveman commercial with jason bateman kind of like the evolution of humankind and then kind of talked about the evolution of evs and how they used to not be very good and how they are getting better um i thought it was funny i thought it was cute it's always funny how they try to everyone has to frame it a certain way. Yeah. Like you can advertise a product, but the Super Bowl is really about making a statement

about your product and how it relates to others. You're telling a story more than anything. So I saw lots of like really overproduced commercials for simple things like Salesforce or like random, simple, single use things even. So for electric cars, it's always like, you're not just telling the story of like, here's a new product. It's this is the future of our cars, or this is like some futuristic high tech thing. They always try to loop in some little bit of that. It's funny because since Tesla has basically no marketing and like they've been doing this for a long time and we're just seeing legacy manufacturers kind of taking this jump.

This is all the stuff we would have seen if Tesla had a marketing budget and wanted to do cutesy commercials for the mainstream. Like they're kind of, this is the first time we're seeing how legacy and just mainstream marketing of EVs is kind of not because Tesla never did any of that. Yeah.

I thought it was kind of cool. Like we got to see a bunch of that. Yeah. I wonder what a Tesla Super Bowl ad would look like. Like I've seen Tesla videos, Tesla intros to their events, Tesla production. I've seen it. I wonder if they made a Super Bowl ad, what that would look like.

That would be interesting. I think they would call us because we won their Love Day commercial. That's a valid point. That's a valid point. They could. One of my favorites was the pole star commercial yes this was earlier in the night uh it was in the first half sometime i remember watching it and thinking oh that's a sharp looking they picked the pole

star 2 in white holy black and white a nice looking vehicle and and the commercial itself was very it was just like a series of statements we're not this we're not this we're not this and some of those statements were very directed. Like, what do we, did we write them down? There was one about- No diesel gate. No diesel gate. I wonder what they're referring to there.

Almost impossible to tell. And no conquering Mars. No conquering Mars, which I guess is more of along the lines of like, we're not distracted by other things. I think it's like very specifically, like our CEO is not distracted for other things, which I know nothing about, Volvo's CEO. Like conquering Mars sounds kind of dope,

but I guess if you're like, we're not conquering Mars, you're like, we're not distracted by that. I think it's safe to say if I'm going to buy a car, I don't give a damn about if the people making it are conquering Mars or not. Yeah, but it was specifically for the Polestar 2, which to me is, it says a couple things. One, all right, they're actually trying to sell this car big time. Cool. but it was it was specifically for the polestar 2 which to me is it says a couple things one

all right they're actually trying to sell this car yeah big time cool um and two uh i don't know what do you think did they did they make a meaningful case for like considering the polestar as a car to buy or was that more of a statement about polestars in general i think what is they know that they're i mean so we kind of talked about which type of EV companies would be going on at the Super Bowl. We were wondering if we would see Rivian or Lucid, which we didn't. Cars, companies that people don't know. And while Polestar is still under Volvo, Polestar is not a household name right now. So I think that commercial could have been whatever it was.

If you see that really nice white Polestar at the end and see the car company Polestar, people are going to be like, what is this? And be intrigued. And that's what they did. It worked perfectly. Yeah, that's the kind of commercial

where I think people just Googled Polestar. Probably. And not specifically the Polestar 2. Yeah, I would not doubt if all of these different car companies during the Super Bowl, if Polestar was the most searched after of the evs yeah because it's a company no one knows about or company most people

less people know about yeah yeah i guess that was my initial suspicion when i was considering like what counts as an ev commercial if you are just going to generically say like i think we'll get to this in a second actually let's just do it now the gm commercial yes the gm commercial wasn't about look at this one specific product that's so sick that it changes the trajectory of our company no it was uh i think they ended with a statement that just said 30 new evs by 2030 did it say that i think that was the text that was on the gm was kind of weird because they were also one of the specific sponsors of the Super Bowl. So they kind of had little pieces. They actually had two full-blown commercials and then also their little transitions.

Yeah. I did see one that had that statement at the end. Was it the Austin Powers one? It had a bunch of people in it, yeah. Yeah, the Austin Powers one was like, I don't know if I'm showing my age, but Austin Powers was a really funny movie when I was a bit younger. I loved them. So it brought back the cast of that and kind of Dr. Evil is like this villain.

So basically in the commercial is like pollution and everything is the real number one villain of the world. So in order for Dr. Evil to be the number one villain, he has to eliminate pollution so then he can be the evil so he has to save the world to destroy the world got it um and that's kind of and then he hops in the hummer at the end um which also had a really funny like really low angle of him in the hummer and it's like that's how i actually feel when the hummer is like around yeah i think that's how we all feel about the hummer yeah next to that thing yeah um and funny enough the other ad was for the silverado ev which was specifically one model yes i know it was a sopranos tie-in which i don't watch it i don't think you do either but funny enough it was just it driving around like places right outside the studio that one was really funny

because i i remember when we shot the rivian video, we drove around the studio around New Jersey and I'm testing the car and all this stuff. That Silverado commercial to me was not a Sopranos reference because I've never seen the Sopranos, sorry. But they drove around our studio. All the street signs and everything. I'm like, I drove the Rivian on that same road. That's my commute in the morning. Yeah, that's my commute. That's crazy.

So yeah, that was sort of like hitting close to home. But it was specifically for the silverado ev pickup truck that that was what that commercial was for i also thought the truck looked better in that video than some of the press images we've seen blue one maybe yeah maybe just actually seeing it driving around um it looks nice seeing it move seeing it roll um i think also then the first one of the night for me was uh the bmw ix yeah and this is another funny one yeah it had some sort of lightning puns about zapping everything with lightning yeah it's i don't know i didn't get the part where he's so mad that he's like charging everything but then he's happy that he gets an electric car that needs to be charged so to me it felt like this was just more work for arnold zeus but

yeah i don't know i know hiata is going to disagree with me on this one but i kind of liked what it looked like despite the giant the nostril pig nostrils on the front of the car despite the nostril or do you like it with the nostril i would like it more without the nostrils but i still do like it with the nostrils interesting so that was that was specifically a commercial for i BMW iX. I'm getting a nod of agreement. Yeah. Okay.

It was good. I think that was also one that probably would have some people searching for it after they saw the commercial. Yeah. Because it had a big like road presence in the video. You saw it moving and rolling. You're probably interested in a new BMW. What is that new electric car?

So I think they did a pretty solid job in that commercial of getting that curiosity it was it was the cutesy super bowl s commercial enough to kind of catch your interest for a second and then a new car from bmw is always um interesting now there was another one that to me felt like the ev aspect was two second uh like pushed on the back burner for it because i i looked at multiple blogs to to write this episode today just to make sure i could watch all the commercials and almost none of them included nissan as having an ev ad right the nissan one yeah yeah and i caught we both caught it um but it was just like this action hero with Eugene Levy driving around in a Nissan Z. And then at the end, when the movie like premieres, he hops into a Nissan Aria and like quickly shows the back of it. But almost right.

No one noticed. Yeah, I it was funny. I was watching all these commercials immediately when a new commercial come on. I go, oh, is this an EV? Is this is this electric car? So I'm watching it. And this entire time, it's this it's this gas car making gas car sounds. And it's a Nissan commercial.

So I'm like, oh, it's not the EV. So I just sort of tune out for a second because I'm just watching this yellow Nissan sports car drive around. And then at the very end, yeah, they bring in the Aria, and they show the badge of the Aria. So you're like, oh, that's the electric one, and then the commercial ends. So I guess I count that. I counted it. They mentioned it. It's not a good one.

It's not. No one looked up the Aria afterwards. I think that's true. I think I count that. I counted it. They mentioned it. It's not a good one. It's not. No one looked up the Aria afterwards. I think that's true. I think that's true. So I also want to throw in just a quick bonus one, an extra one. It wasn't technically for an EV, but it was electric car related. It was for the Wallbox EV charger. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it was like a garage charger for electric cars. It got a Super Bowl ad. That's crazy. I was kind of surprised that this, you know, I've never heard of this company, but they've made this electric car charging box that you put in your garage. And there's lots of other companies

that make these too. Yeah. But they had a Super Bowl ad. So that's pretty sick. I think what's crazy about that is like, we knew we were going to get EV commercials

and we know that means it's like a step towards being more in the mainstream. But getting EV accessory commercials at that, I feel like we took two steps more towards it being mainstream and people wondering about it. He plugged into a car, right?

Was it just like a default, no name, like no badge car? I think it was just like a silver crossover. I don't actually remember. Let me find it. I'm sure no company. It would be funny if that's how tesla slipped in because like two years ago tesla didn't have a super bowl ad but they kind of did because when they were asking all the players during the press conference in the

beginning like about their cars like half of them mentioned to tesla yeah so everyone was like oh yeah tesla snuck in there without any real marketing oh interesting it's uh i am catching a glimpse they didn't make it to the logo but if you look at the ad you can tell that's an audi that's an audi grill and audi headlights oh yeah so that's got to be the e-tron some like suv yeah so there you go interesting unofficially featured okay but it was for the box so let's go back to that 9.5 number weird thing here is so we have bmw gm hyundai kia polestar nissan there was no specific volvo one for an ev at least do you count wall box um i'm gonna count it because it's in the genre of evs okay so that is seven companies but but GM had the GM and the Silverado, so that's two. So then I think we're going to be under even if there was.

I thought there may have been a second Polestar commercial, but I don't know if that was a social media one during it. Because there's another one similar to it where they're just a bunch of like words. Yeah, so slightly under. So we're under, but close. Pretty close. I don't mind that guessing. You know, I honestly think we're going to see more next year. I think when you watch car commercials over the next couple of years,

more and more of them in general will be EV commercials because more and more of them will be EVs. So naturally the number goes up. So I was optimistic with my 9.5, but I feel pretty good about that. I would like to say, like, you think about Super Bowl, you think about kind of like the stereotypical, like, trucks and whatever, like gas. We love gas cars.

We love football, American football. For all you international listeners out there, sorry, sorry, American football. Seeing EVs in there feels like it's reaching an audience that EVs wouldn't maybe hit quite as often. So I dug that. But we talked about Toyota not having any EV presence feels like it's reaching an audience that evs wouldn't maybe hit quite as often so yeah i dug that but we talked about toyota not having any ev presence on there but uh probably like a month ago at this point we just haven't gotten a chance to talk about it they uh kind of released a bunch of

concept ideas for their lineup of ev between them and lexus and i just wanted to go over a few of them this is all purely looks but i think we just wanted to go over a few of them. This is all purely looks, but I think we just have to go through some and look at them because we did it once. And I think some of these look really, really nice. And some of these look really, really dumb. So off the top, they start with a promise, just like lots of other companies have.

Toyota says they're going to spend over $17 billion to come out with 30 EVs by 2030. Very similar. Is that the same as what GM said? 30 by 2030 i guess so i'm losing track with all of these they're all sort of around the same thing in the next decade here's what we'll do so okay so they've they've showed us these these images and a bunch of some of them are renders but some of them are actual like models i think they're all models because while that top picture looks like renders, when you scroll down, they have individual photos of all of them. Okay, so they've had some press renders, but also they made a bunch of models.

Yeah. So they've made a bunch of models of different, I guess I'd call them ideas for form factors for EVs. So Toyota makes a bunch of different things. They make everything from the Prius to the Camry to the FJ Cruiser to a 4Runner to a whatever they make a bunch of different type of things. I think by volume Toyota is the most sold car manufacturer in the world. So they've got a bunch of different form factors. So I guess what they're

picturing is the future of all these form factors as electric. So that's kind of what we're looking at here. Not specific models or miles of range or price tags or any of that. It's just sort of like, huh, a two-door sports car. Yeah, some of them are very clearly, like the Tacoma and the FJ Cruiser are very clearly based on the Legacy, which is funny enough.

I think the Tacoma looks amazing. I think the FJ Cruiser looks like a weird Lego box like driving around. Yeah. I think. Maybe describe it for our audio listeners. I mean, so what I love so much about the Tacoma just in general is it like,

it keeps this really boxy, rugged look, very flat front with it. When you had to have the grill, it was super simple. So this is pretty much just that, but now the grill is essentially eliminated. This picture is in white. I've just always, the Tacoma looks so good. I think this looks really good.

If you can just imagine a Tacoma with almost no grill. And I think a lot of cars, when you take the grill off, look really, really good. And that's why EVs look really good. The Tacoma is the truck that my neighbor put a pool in his trunk. So it's a versatile truck is what I get. Yeah, that's definitely one of their selling points. It's a versatile vehicle.

Yeah, I don't know if the EV one will or you might get electrocuted. It should have a drain plug or something. It should be fine. Yeah, yeah, no worries. Okay, so next to that i'm seeing the fj cruiser one which is a nice little blue color with a stripe doesn't it look like a lego it looks like mega blocks it's funny because they're all like these blacked out tinted windows so they kind of look like like toy cars and this one looks more like a toy car than any of the others i think it

looks like a total toy it's funny i would it looks cool though i want to skip through a couple of these there's a like a little bronze roadster that like is that a supra is that what that's supposed to be uh yeah i think you might be right this looks like it should be in shan it looks like it only has one seat right yeah so they've they've made this little sports car thing my my question when i see these is like right now we don't have any two-door evs other than the mini cooper so the challenge i always think about with this small ev is where do you put the battery? I guess you have the first gen Tesla Roadster. With that first gen

Tesla Roadster, it put the batteries behind the driver, sort of like where a mid-engine car would have the engine. And with a car like this, I'm looking at I guess, you know, you want the driver to be pretty low. So if you do the skateboard design with the batteries at the bottom, the driver is not that low. So if you do the skateboard design with the batteries at the bottom,

the driver is not that low. So you got to put the batteries like maybe some in front, some behind. I don't know. It's a compact little car. We can also skip ahead here. There's a lot of SUVs. I know it's kind of hard to describe everything, especially when these don't have specific model numbers.

But I have to say in the Lexus side side i am in love with like three of them they have the four-door sedan which just looks super mean it's like it almost has this perfect i'm gonna go back to tron again where it like it perfectly like arcs over itself and just is like a really clean side profile and has like a couple holes in the hood um looks really good then they have a two-door that looks almost like a um frs where like you know a little longer um front two-door roadster s car that's got to be batteries at the front it looks like the lights on that and the front like spoiler look so good that might be one of my best. Very McLaren lights, I must admit. Super McLaren.

Super car type lights. It looks very, very nice. I think this might be my favorite looking EV, like, right. Well, if it happens. If it's real, yeah. Yeah, yeah, okay. And then they have one other, if you go two more, no, about three more in. It's like a crossover SUV.

They're doing, I think what I love about evs and without ranting too much is like what we can do with the lights and the lack of grill and what we can we can make the front of cars like fun which i think is really interesting i think some evs are doing a really poor job at it i don't love the mustang front stuff like that but some of these like i like an aggressive car but even with like the rivian the rivian is not aggressive but it looks so cool because the light bar can go straight across the with no grill or anything yeah the rivian is an interesting one so i whenever i think about these uh these older car companies making their first evs i think they all have a

decision to make with each new model is do we want this to be based off of the old one and bring in people who are looking for familiarity or do we want to change it up and make it look futuristic and bring in the sort of newer younger type audience and they have that decision for every single model and i think the ones that look like the old ones are looking like the old ones for a reason it's because they want you to go oh i know what this is this is going to be just like the old one but electric i can get used to that fine and then there's these uh these faces with the with the crazy lights and the slots and the bars and those are a little more risky but you kind of have to make a different looking car once in a while and i think this is

their chance to try something to catch some eyes it's gonna catch some eyes for sure the r1t was like the most eye-catching car I've driven in years. Which is we've driven some crazy cars. I've driven McLarens around. I've driven around supercars for this channel. I've tested some crazy things like that. But yeah, I think I went to go get, you know, food or something after one of the days that we were shooting and just driving into the parking lot.

There were people like pointing at it and like, what is that? Oh, that's the thing. It was very recognizable. It's got the face. It's's got the it looks kind of like an eyes like eyes and definitely eyes for sure yeah it was it was very interesting to see that happen so yeah they've got a choice to make and i think they've made a lot of those choices here in their little propositions of designs which are cool um yeah i think my favorite is the uh the bronze little roadster oh you like the little bronze one that's like a go-kart. I know, that's what I'm into.

Yeah, but imagine driving that around when there's also the Hummer EV on the road. Yeah, I'm just gonna zip around and avoid that Hummer. Underneath it. Yeah, I'm avoiding that Hummer. Yeah, no, it's fascinating. So yeah, we get a bunch of promises. We get a bunch of very vague,

like, yeah, we'll have a lot of range, don't worry. Yeah, we'll also link this article in the show notes for any audio listeners who might want to see what these things look like. They're very hard to explain when you don't have a direct comparison. Yeah, well, we got to take a break, but when we come back,

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Ambition is on the inside so that thing you love keep doing it drive your ambition mitsubishi motors all right we're back and we've brought david along to talk smartphone ecosystem news we got a lot to talk about though. This is good. David, welcome. Welcome to me. So we had a sort of a headline of like a kumbaya moment, right? So I guess the headline is Google messages and iMessage kind of work together a little bit better because if you send a reaction from an iPhone, then someone using specifically the latest beta of the Google Messages app will see the reaction as a reaction instead of as a new text.

Yeah. We did it. I have some reactions to this news. We didn't do it? Well. We kind of did it. It was already in motion. Okay.

That was actually kind of a funny thing. It was like on Twitter when they announced that this was finally being rolled out. Everyone was like, Marques, the team made it happen. It was like, it was already happening. But we'll take credit for it. MARK MIRCHANDANI- Yeah, it did happen after our video. But this didn't just spin up because of my video, just so you know. Yeah.

So OK, so basically this is being done on Google's end, right? Google's latest version of the Messages app, which is using RCS and does a bunch of great things with RCS, if I can talk, is taking that information and just turning it into a reaction. Yeah. Basically. It's all being done on Google's end.

Nothing was changed on the part of Apple. They're just doing their thing. And so people are seeing that as like, all right, I guess Google's kind of bending to Apple not supporting RCS by just taking that message and turning it into a reaction? Here's what I see as what's happening. Google's trying to make the experience for Android users better because they know that Apple is not going to do that right now. So they're basically using a very brute force method. What's kind of funny is in pretty much any messaging app that's not a standard text messaging app, you can use any kind of reaction.

You can use like any emoji as a reaction. But Apple has six tap backs. That's what they call their reactions, right? You've got like the thumbs up, the heart, the thumbs down, the ha ha, the exclamation points and the question marks. Nice. up the heart the thumbs down the ha ha the exclamation points and the question marks nice and so google just went and they went well these are only six tap backs so we can just like sort of brute force this thing where like if you get an incoming text message that says x person liked blah blah blah you just slap a little sticker on there so it's intercepting the sms that the

iphone is sending anyway and instead of showing the new message that says, Andrew laughed at your text, it's just going to put the ha-ha reaction. Right, or an emoji as a reaction. Do you think you, we probably haven't tested this enough to figure it out, but do you think you could trick it? Do you think you could trick it and say like,

if I text you and say like, Marquez, you know, laughed at this? But what would it, it would have to be the exact same text. I don't know. We'd have to look at the code or we could try. I still don't have it on my phone even though I'm on the beta. Same. So if you have it, let us know how it's working.

Yeah, we could try it. That would be funny. And that's kind of the reason why it also doesn't work on images because when you send an image or like when you like, when you react to an image on iMessage images because when you send an image or like when you like when you react to an image on iMessage it just says liked an image and Google can't take the text of image doesn't know which image which one it is okay the context is weird yeah because it's a very brute force method um I tweeted last week like I'm kind of surprised that Apple doesn't intentionally like

mess this up by just expanding tap backs to every single emoji that there is they have little animations obviously so when you do a tap back it'll be like it'll bubble in the exclamation point so do something like that so they'd have to build that out obviously um but i was surprised they hadn't done that it's also kind of funny because google didn't match it exactly one-to-one on them. The emojis are not really the same. I found a really funny Reddit comment that was just like how they changed the heart to the face with heart eyes

and how that doesn't always work together. Which is not, they should have just used the heart. Yeah, you have it. Because like the heart eyes sometimes could be like flirty. Here's an example. Somebody said a heart is an acceptable reaction to someone who said their dog just died heart eyes is not an appropriate reaction to a death in the family oh no yeah so yeah it doesn't really work one-to-one there so here here lies an issue um

is in my opinion you're not you're trying to communicate a feeling to the other person right and an issue here is that like okay the experience is slightly better for android users now because instead of getting a separate message like literally yesterday a friend reacted to every single text that i sent them for the last like two days what a troll but she didn't know like she had no idea but i just have this new maybe you know i don't know she has, she had no idea. But I just have this. She knew. Maybe. She knew. I don't know. She has this full, I have this full page now of just, like, React things. You know, and people do that as a joke, but it was real.

So from my side, if, like, my app got updated and I got the Reacts, cool. But say I'm an Android user who doesn't really understand how they're doing that and how I can't. understand how they're doing that and how I can't. Is Google going to issue some sort of thing that is like, by the way, you're going to see little indicators on your texts that show that the iPhone user reacted to you, but you can't react back. That's a kind of weird line. And I'm not saying that Google shouldn't do it because it is still a better experience. Just to clarify real quick, because I don't think we said it yet, but you can't send them

back to iMessage. Correct. Yeah, what happens? I don't think we said it yet but you can't send them back to imessage correct yeah what happens i don't think we said that out loud you just can't there's no like it doesn't let you yeah because it's it's sms because all google the messaging app is doing is taking literally an sms message and then turning it into a reaction stamping it on so like you doing it back imessage isn't going to pull that in and do this you can't even do it back. So you can only do it through RCS. Right. So now you're on an Android phone.

If you're in an RCS chat, you can see that you're in an RCS chat. You can react. The person you're talking to can react back. Correct. If you're talking to someone on an iPhone with this latest beta, you will just have to get reactions, and you will not be able to react back, and you probably won't know why. Exactly.

And I'm a little concerned. I still think this is a decent media mediary solution, but I think that maybe Google should like maybe the first time you get a reaction, it should send a little message just saying like, this is a kind of fix for something that Apple was doing. It's just, it's going to be confusing for a lot of people. They're going to be like,

why can't I react back to you? This is the flex tape of feature patches. It's likepping a band-aid on it like yeah you can see reactions yeah yeah we yep it works and then you're just like well i don't know yeah if i can send one back or not unless i try you could potentially make the argument if you don't do a warning that this might bring more people to iMessage because yeah rather than getting just like the annoying he liked it you're like oh i got a reaction that's fun i can do that to everyone on iMessage because rather than getting just like the annoying, he liked it. You're like, oh, I got a reaction. That's fun. I can do that to everyone on iMessage. Here's the interesting thing that I was thinking about this morning in the car. I was like,

previously it was annoying to the Android user to get those reacts from the iOS user because you would get a message that would say blank, ha ha'd your message or liked your message. It's annoying because I got that full page. Now I get the reacts on my phone, but I can't reply to them. And so now it went from me receiving something that made me feel annoyed to my inability to show the same emotive emotion back to the other person that is making me feel annoyed. And my question here is like, is that, like Andrew said, is that going to make people more want to go to an iPhone because they want to use the feature versus more want to go to an iPhone because they're annoyed at what the iOS user is doing? Yeah, I see what you're saying. I think it might be a little strong.

I get that you can't react back, but you can just send an emoji and they can just get the the back. Yeah, I see what you're saying. I think it might be a little strong. Like, I get that you can't react back, but you can just send an emoji and they can just get the emoji back. Like, right now, if I send you a text on an iPhone, there's two iPhones talking, and I react to your text, to me, that's, like, kind of the end of the conversation. Like, I wasn't replying, but I was just, like, thumbs up, so I saw it. So you're not reacting to my reaction. You're just going, okay,

you saw it. Like, when I see a reaction, I'm like, alright, they saw it. Yeah. So if an iPhone to my new phone running the beta of Google messages reacts I'm not really mad that I can't react back if I did want to react back I would just send an emoji I guess but I'm not like switching phones because I can't react and also like the context of like hearting a message versus sending a heart yeah is different yeah it's a little different yeah I know. I know it shouldn't be, but it feels different. We should just switch to Telegram.

What are we doing? Stop. Stop. Why don't you just use Telegram, dude? Like the rest of the world. This is just like an extension on that blue bubbles versus green bubbles. 90% of this conversation is seemingly ridiculous to people who don't

care about the iMessage features. But imagine you're using WhatsApp and somebody on a different service can send you messages that land in your WhatsApp inbox. Yeah. But you can't react back to them. Just like a weird dynamic. that like you're texting specifically iMessage is the is well the messages app on iOS is like one of the only messaging apps that changes its feature set based on the recipient is the only one because everyone else everything else is platform agnostic right you have telegram it works exactly the same on Android iOS on Mac on Windows it's like all the same does that make

it more or less accommodating? Because if you have WhatsApp, you can talk to anyone else who has WhatsApp. But if they don't have WhatsApp, you can't talk to them with WhatsApp. I think that's better. So iMessage is more accommodating because you can talk to people with iMessage or without.

It's just worse. The fact that iMessage is built into the messages app and it just confuses people to thinking it's regular texting. I'm playing devil's advocate. I hate that. Yeah. It's clearly like it's one of the only. Yeah, it is the only app that actually does that.

It's like the only app. Well, I guess now Google Messages with RCS versus non-RCS features is basically the same thing. Right. But I am just really curious. Are people going to be more driven towards iPhones because they want a feature versus being annoyed that's the difference like and I it's going to take a long time for this to percolate throughout the industry because again it's only new phones that are shipping that are going with Google messages so it's going to take I would say two to three years before we start to know like how people are using the their messaging app now um But that's a question that interests me a lot.

Yeah, I think you can get comboed into, like you can get annoyed plus like missing out on features. You can get enough of these things happen to you where you're like, fine, I'll just get an iPhone. Like people are just telling you to get an iPhone. Yeah. But it just sucks if you want to send an emotion back and you don't have the capability to,

but the person you're talking to does. Right. That's annoying. I guess my question would be be how much of this patching is Google going to do? Like right now, the reactions are a big thing, right? You got six tap backs. So Google's like, you know what? Those are the things you're using all the time. We'll build those in, even though iMessage isn't sending that information natively. Well, what about other stuff that iMessage does? Do you want to start patching that stuff too?

Or is it just reactions because that's like the big one? I think reactions is like possibly the only one you can technically do. It was the one they could do, actually pull off. Because you can't, yeah, you couldn't do inline replies because it just doesn't support. Well, maybe you could. You can't do typing indicators because there's no data sending constantly showing your typing because it's an SMS.

Video support, you'd have to. So you got the file size limit to deal with? Yeah. Unless Google was like, you're sending a video over SMS. Let me intercept that, put it in the internet, create like some sort of video player, and then send. I don't know. They could maybe do that. I don't think they're going to do more than this personally.

This is the one convenient thing that they can intercept via SMS and turn into a feature. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. All right. Flex tape. Yeah. Boom.

There it is. Yeah. So I don't know. It's going to be weird. It's fun seeing this play out in real time, especially because this has been such a big conversation for so many years and all of a sudden it's kind of coming to a head. Yeah.

The other weird, or I guess not weird, but interesting dynamic to pay attention to is we were reviewing these phones, the S22s. You've got the S22 Plus here. I've had the Ultra in my pocket for a little while, and we actually just now got the S22 standard. Mini boy. The stock Messages app is the Google messages app with the Samsung skin with a Samsung skin.

I thought that was interesting. So I've got the Google messages app on almost every phone I've used for the past, like three, four years. It's just the app that I enjoy. And so when I got this phone, I saw that it had it pre-installed already. I was like, that's great. When I go to the play store to install Google messages, it says, oh yeah, you already have it installed. But it is skinned,

and it does have a couple different behaviors, like this half-screen behavior. Yeah. You probably can't see it, but it shows like half of it just says messages. And to me, that's a waste of space, but it's like a one UI thing. It's the Samsung reachability thing. Yeah, it's a reachability. Which I get. I get. But it still feels weird, like every time

I sort of do this, it sort of... It's when I first switched Claire to her Samsung, she was like, it's a reachability, which I get. I get, but it still feels weird. Like every time I sort of do this to sort of. It's when I first switched Claire to her Samsung, she was like, it's stuck because it looks like you're doing the refresh pull down and where it comes and then pings back up. And she's like, it's stuck and I can't get it to change. And even I was like, I don't know what's wrong. And then looked it up.

For audio listeners, it's like the top half of the screen is white and then just says messages in a big bold text. Yeah, literally like 30% screen. And then almost the second full bottom half is where you actually text. Yeah. It's kind of annoying. Which doesn't make sense because the Note 22 is gigantic and reaching up to the top every time.

It's smart. I get why they do it. Actually, I think I praised it when I first started doing it with their apps, the settings app and all that. Are you also saying Note 22 as a joke or on purpose? Nope, that was not a joke at all. I promise. Marquescu said that.

I keep thinking he's joking, but he's doing it by accident. I'm not wrong. It's a Note 22. You're correct. Definitely. I have definitely said that a couple times. I was wondering why you're laughing. I didn't notice that.

I guess the reason I bring that up is this is one of the points I'm going to make in their full review, but it's like this feels like more like Samsung has control over the Android experience more than Google does. Yeah. Like more people obviously use Samsung phones. And we've said it for years. Like when you compare iPhones to Android phones, 90% of the world is like, yeah, iPhone and Galaxy. Right. The two different things.

So we've got these couple of features I wanted to point out that make it seem more like a default. Number one is, yeah, you got the Google Messages app, but Samsung's like, no, we're doing it our way. They're the only ones that are allowed to skin this. They're the only ones that have skinned it. Which is really weird. So, you know, special privileges to Samsung. Yeah. Then number two is Samsung actually offers four years of os updates

when the pixel only offers three wow okay so that's another reason like someone probably opt for the samsung phone over the pixel and then the last one was just there's there's a couple exclusive features one of them was recently updated there's a new Google Duo feature. Native Duo integration to messages, right? Yeah, so one of them was YouTube videos will play back in line in a Duo chat. And that was like a YouTube working together with Google thing. But that's all phone.

That's all Android. That's all Android. And then there's a new Duo SharePlay feature where you can watch, I call it SharePlay because that's what Apple calls the same feature, but you can watch a YouTube video with somebody while Duo calling them,

and that only works with Samsung phones. So it's a feature that Google collaborated with to make YouTube and SharePlay and Duo. They make Duo. They own YouTube. This is a Google thing, and they didn't put it on the Pixel. Yeah, and I asked Google like, is this coming to all Android phones? And they were like, for now

we are working with this OEM partner and I'm just like... At least the Pixel. At least the Pixel. The Pixel should be the default Android phone because Google makes Android. But like this by far feels like more of a default Android phone

than any other phone that's out right now. At this point, that's the way I'm phrasing in the review, which is like, yeah, we knew it's a good phone and we even know it's like kind of a boring phone. And that's to me actually kind of a compliment. That makes it more like the iPhone. Because there's no glaring flaws. There's nothing missing. Right.

It's fine. It's boring, whatever. It's functional, but it's not fun. But if you're going to, if if I'm gonna sit down here and recommend like a blanket recommendation one Android phone for the masses what are you gonna recommend

probably just an S22 Plus S22 Plus that's this is like this is the safest bet possible yeah like I I don't

they're not trying anything wild that's gonna weird people out but everything it does is just very solid rock solid I think the analogy I'm gonna use is like probably to

like a San Antonio Spurs from the 2000s or even the Phoenix Suns now it does is just very solid. Rock solid. I think the analogy I'm going to use is probably to a San Antonio Spurs from the 2000s or even the Phoenix Suns now. David, I definitely understand. I guess I'll stop right into the camera for this one. I don't know what's going on. Boring basketball is usually winning basketball. Also, I wish Adam was here

because we talk roster construction where it's like, if you build around a superstar, the superstar's got to be great. If the superstar falters, the team's We talk roster construction where it's like if you build around a superstar, the superstar has got to be great. And if the superstar falters, the team is bad. If you build a smartphone around one superstar feature, great. But if it doesn't work well all the time,

the phone is going to feel bad because you made sacrifices to make the whole thing around that superstar feature. So let's say an example would be like a superstar feature. So, you know, there's, let's say an example would be like, What's the phone that's done that? Like a superstar feature phone. The S20 Ultra. S20 Ultra superstar camera, 100X. But it sucks. 100X, like look at the back of the phone. It says 100X right on the back.

And there's other good things about that phone, but it was like when that turned out to not be as good as it was. It's like your superstar getting injured. It was 1500 bucks. Like you were paying superstar money to get a little bit extra and it didn't turn out to be worth it. Watch him break his ankle

on the first half of the season. The camera couldn't even focus on anything and the 100X was trash. It was rough. It's like the whole phone was built around the camera system, but the camera system was bad. If that's the case. Now if we look at the Pixel, this is an interesting one. What is the Pixel's superstar

feature? I would argue it's the Google software experience you get the google stuff all the google stuff so what happens when there's a samsung phone getting exclusive google features before you yeah now your superstar feature is like kind of missing a piece you're you're not getting this one right maybe the duo feature is not the thing that sells you the phone but it's just the precedence that's set like samsung phones get all the same stuff. Well, this happened too because like Pixel phones are supposed to get updates before any other Android phone. But recently it was like I think probably for the December update. The December update was late.

The January update. They've been late. Both the December and the January have been late. And I think other OEMs got their updates first. I got it on my S21 Ultra before I got it on my Pixel 6 Pro. That's true. So that was the whole point of buying the Pixel is getting every new thing first.

It's sort of like the Android Power User beta user phone, but then you don't get any of those things. And also it's just a glitchy phone. Yeah, so the Pixel's not going to win on display. The Pixel is not going to win on battery, but it's going to win on like camera and software. Yeah. So now if your major superstar stuff isn't actually standout, there's no reason to spend more for it.

So yeah, this thousand dollar phone to me feels like if you want a flagship Android phone, that's the default. Probably like the coldest take in the world. Like, yeah, obviously. Yeah. But it's just so locked in. I don't know. I think, yeah, I think the S22 Plus specifically is probably just like the best possible recommendation.

Yeah. Because it is good battery life, good cameras, good everything. The small boy, obviously, like we don't really, we're still testing the battery. That's my disclaimer. Just start testing it. I think it's a, it's a nice, it's a $799 phone. So it's like, okay, we want to save a little bit of money. Same specs, same cameras, but smaller screen, smaller battery.

Slower charging too. At least the charger is cheaper on the smaller one. So do I think most people will miss that like slightly slower charging? I don't think that makes a huge difference. But if the battery is bad, I think that does make a difference. That's the biggest thing. So I think if you just want safe. Yeah.

Yeah, that's the safe one. Because the things people want good of on their phone are battery and cameras. Battery, camera, screen. I always say I had a five pillars of a great smartphone and five is even a lot for like the average person. But my five were performance has got to be solid. Camera's got to be solid.

Battery's got to be solid. Performance, battery, camera. Software has got to be solid. Camera's got to be solid. Battery's got to be solid. Performance, battery, camera. Software has got to be solid and just a generally good build quality in general. Yeah. The funny thing is I feel like performance has skewed towards level of bugginess because pretty much all phones are performance now.

Like what does performance really mean anymore? It's stability is more of... Yeah, at a flagship level, you're pretty much getting good performance everywhere. But again, battery might suffer, bugginess might happen. So if you can nail those five, then you've got a good phone.

I think I might do this again in the review and bring this up again too. But this phone, it's got all five. Software, rock solid. More so than the Pixel, even. this phone, it's got all five. Software, rock solid. More so than the Pixel. Even. Build quality, it's glass again now, fine. Battery life, like we said,

great. Cameras are really solid. And yeah, you're looking at a pretty performing phone. So, no problems here. It's even flat like the iPhone 13. That's true. Slightly rounded on the sides. you know you can see people's reactions well if you get the data some people because i still don't have it yeah i don't

know i think you got trolled i think somebody liked them all knowing you're gonna get a page of messages or they just intentionally sent me the like liked blah blah blah oh wow yeah i do really want to test that to see if you can trick it. I feel like it has to. I got to try it. There's no way you couldn't. Yeah. It might be like while the SMS is in the network kind of thing and it does it at that point. I don't know.

We should test it. If you type out the exact SMS that your phone would have sent and send that, will the Android phone pick up that SMS and flip it as if you hit the i don't see how it could differentiate we have to try this after this podcast immediately yeah i think i think it would my theory is it will show reaction okay i think so i think it will okay all right sick all right that's we're gonna take a quick break we'll come back we'll talk about how desperate at&t must be and me AT&T must be. And me.

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offering exactly 800 for trade-ins for uh you know, towards the Galaxy S22 or S22 Ultra for like everything. Everything. So I went through the site and I punched in, what if I trade in a Galaxy Fold? They would give you 800 bucks. Okay. What if I trade in an iPhone 12? They would give me 800 bucks. So I went all the way to the oldest models and I said, what if I trade in an iPhone 6? And I said, they give you 800 bucks. And I said, what if I, what if I put in an iPhone SE first gen? And I said, we'll give you 800 bucks. And I was like, is this real? Or is this like a, like a, a bug? Cause it kind of, to me, it felt like, Hey, listen, we believe in these phones and we want so bad for these people on older phones. Cause we know you're about to upgrade. You're on an iPhone six. you're looking for a new phone, okay?

I want you on our network, sign a long-term contract, buy this phone. This is, we want, I don't care how much it costs, customer acquisition, we'll pay it. I thought that might've been really what was happening. I would've thought so too. With Samsung probably wanting to take over

some of the market share back in the US from, I wouldn't doubt if, you know, work together to try and give it better prices to get someone off of an iPhone onto. Yeah. Confidence in these phones. Yeah. So I was like, all right. So I tweeted a video of me going through the site and plugging in like progressively cheaper phones. And it just kept offering me a hundred bucks for a trade in. And yes, I know it's locking you into a long-term contract on the carrier and it's giving you $800 off of the total monthly price you would have been paying for the subsidy because you pay 36 bucks a month or whatever but still 800 bucks for like a five dollar market value phone that's pretty good especially

for a phone that is the small one is $800 yeah and so like just trading your iphone 6 for a galaxy s22 it's still noteworthy And so like you could literally go on eBay, buy a $5 iPhone 6. Not $5. They're like a hundred bucks because it had to be working and not a cracked screen and stuff like that. You can buy a 16 gig iPhone 6 on eBay for 40 bucks. Even if it was a hundred dollars,

that's still $700. Exactly. You go flip it, you bring it to AT&T and you say, I want my trade in money and you get $800 off. That I thought was pretty good. I tweeted it and AT&T and you say, I want my trade-in money, and you get $800 off. I thought it was pretty good. I tweeted it, and AT&T quote-tweeted my tweet,

and this is what they said. They said, let's call it a Willy Wonka golden ticket moment for our handful of customers who lucked out during a short-lived online glitch. If you're one of them, DM us so we can outfit your new phone too. So it sounds like... They're giving you a free case. They're going to outfit your new phone, so they're going to give you a case. Sounds like they're going to honor it. If they're giving you a free case they're gonna outfit your new phone

so they're gonna give you a case sounds like they're gonna honor it if you took advantage of a web glitch so I'm not sure if that means

they're gonna honor the $800 off I think that means they will if they do if they actually do that's what a golden ticket would be I think

yeah it sounds like a golden ticket sounds like it yeah so that's like a nice thing to say about AT&T but they only fixed the six right

right okay so I was gonna get to this so I just now went back to AT&T. They only fixed the six, right? Right, okay, so I was going to get to this. So I just now went back to AT&T.com and I went in to go buy an S22 Ultra and I went down to the trade-in section and I plugged in iPhone 6 and it's now offering me

$5 off, which is like, oh, they found it. They found the bug. This is a short-lived glitch. I went in and plugged in iPhone SE, first generation, 16 gig, $5 estimated value. Great. But you know what's funny? I went in and I searched for iPhone 7, 32 gig,

and it's still offering me $800. Also, I just looked that up on eBay, $100. $100 off. You could get one for $100, so it would be $800. Also, I just looked that up on eBay. $100. $100 off. You could get one for $100, so it would be $700. You can buy it for $100 and then get the $800 trade-in value. So if AT&T is still feeling like Willy Wonka and you feel like getting lucky...

They are definitely not anymore. They probably just killed it at Engineer that was like, Marcos says that you can get an iPhone 6 and an SE, and then they just fixed that, but they didn't look deeper. Yeah, so if you're feeling lucky, you can try it. You can grab a cheap iPhone from eBay and try it out. But it looks like there's still a couple weird

glitches on AT&T's site that they may, may offer and actually follow through with. Maybe. We're not endorsing AT&T. I'm not held responsible for anything you do after watching this video. Just on the talk of trade-in, Samsung's offering some pretty and i'm sure they always do they offer some really really good trade-ins i think i looked up an s20 ultra which i'm sure

they're if anyone has one out there they i'm sorry they're looking to get rid of it you can get like 450 bucks towards a um the s22 series that's awesome That's like half price. $450? That's pretty good. That's awesome. $200 phone. You did lose money but it was two years old. You lost money but you got two years

of usage out of it and $450 off is not bad. Fantastic. That's true. I think Apple does about the same. It's like $450

for an iPhone 11 Pro towards a 13 Pro. Two year old, yeah. So it's not going to be like honestly you can get more. $800. Yeah, but I still think like and this is for an iPhone 11 Pro towards a 13 Pro. Two-year-old, yeah. So it's not going to be like... Honestly, you can get more. Yeah, but I still think like, and this is maybe a privileged place to come from,

but if you can sell your phone outright and buy the new one outright, you will get more money for it. If your phone holds value well, like an iPhone 11 will hold more than that $450. Yeah, they... Not a lot more though. Okay.

I looked on eBay and the iPhone 11 Pros are going for like $550 or $600 and then after the eBay fees and shipping, it's like it becomes very close. So a lot of the time it might just be better to just trade it in. Yeah. It depends on the phone

obviously. If you can find that where you're giving the phone to will do something good with it, they can recycle it if they're doing something like that, then that's probably the option you want to go with. But if you're just looking to get the maximum dollar, AT&T glitch, step number one. Step number two,

trade in. Or send it to Fairphone and then get a Fairphone. And then get a Fairphone. If you're into that. And they will recycle the phone. There you have it. I think that's it for this week. Definitely stay tuned And then get a Fairphone. If you're into that. And they will recycle the phone. There you have it. Yeah. All right. I think that's it for this week.

Definitely stay tuned for, maybe by the time you see this, we're right around the corner from the reviews of S22 Ultra. I said S22, not Note. I'm getting it right. And S22 and S22 Plus. I'm just walking around with a stick

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