Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - FBI Tales & More Untold MKBHD Stories

Episode Date: July 30, 2024

Welcome back to another bonus episode! This week we're doing a story time episode where we tell a bunch of the funny/weird things that have happened while working here at MKBHD. We start off with how the Autofocus name came to be, that time the FBI came to visit, and Marques meeting an F1 star and not knowing it. We'll be back Friday with a regular episode but we hope you get some joy out of this one in the meantime! Links:  Marques FBI video: https://bit.ly/4c7T6ka Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And happy Friday. Just kidding. It's not Friday. This is a bonus episode. I'm sorry. It is Tuesday still. But that's a fun thing. We get a little extra stuff this time.

And we decided that we would do... We had a bunch of stories over the past couple years that we all realized we haven't like fully told and this episode is just a story time episode just just putting those stories all in one place which i think is a really fun idea if you haven't already seen the main channel video which is i think we're going to try to have that go live the same day as this that's one of the most interesting stories which is the I think we're going to try to have that go live the same day as this. That's one of the most interesting stories, which is the day that the FBI surprised me at the studio. And you can go watch that video if you want that full story.

But we have some other ones, too, that are kind of also interesting in their own way. I think the best way to listen to this episode is sit down on the carpet. On a carpet, cross your legs, story time in front of a fire. A fire would be nice, except it's like 90 degrees Fahrenheit here, here.

But, uh, yeah, we have some cool ones. The Dyson sponsorship going wrong. I think people kind of remember that there is a point where pretty much most formula one fans hated Marquez for a few weeks that I think will be a fun one to talk about. We have a long form episode that David and Adam worked on and it never came to fruition.

We tried. Which is pretty fun. It's because I wasn't here yet. It's because Ellis wasn't here yet. And some other fun ones. In our defense, Ellis is here now and we still haven't talked about it. Yeah, I really gave it the old call we chased it for a while so let's hop in can i go first yeah first story can we talk about how the autofocus name and kind

of channel came to be i would love for you to tell that story that is the single best youtube channel name i have ever seen i'm not biased that true. But autofocus is a great name for a YouTube channel. The name of it is kind of what like pushed us harder into all of it. So like when I first started, I remember one of the first emails you ever sent me was like, I'd be interested in like, we need some help.

Here's some cool stuff that we do. By the way, I just got an email about this company that has a stream of supercars coming in that we can like film. And I like oh that sounds crazy like this is that's one of those things we make a joke here at this job where when anyone starts somehow a ferrari shows up in like the first month which i think makes everyone think working here is pretty cool but anyways i had started it was a few months in and you and i were still playing on an Ultimate team together. And on that long car ride out to Pennsylvania in the middle of nowhere,

I was just thinking about, we had done like one Tesla video maybe, one or two Tesla videos just because you had one. And I was like, I want to do more car things. We have this opportunity for these like supercars. And I was just thinking, because all your best ideas come when you can't write anything down yeah and i was just like thinking of cameras and cars and i was like autofocus oh wait that should be a serious name like cameras and cars and one thing the focus of it is auto but we shoot with cameras people know we like cameras let's put that together and i remember like racing to the fields parking seeing marquez with his bag

walking up to the fields that we were going to play on and i like ran to him and i was like marquez marquez we have these opportunities for cars i know we're not doing a lot of car things but what if we named the series autofocus and you were just like yes that's it oh yeah we got to do that yeah and i feel like that's what started that's what helped start i shouldn't say you were interested in cars yeah but having it differentiate that because when we do car stuff people would be less interested in it at first people were like i want phones why aren't you covering the window surface on all things yeah yeah that was that was the genesis of that channel name. And then we immediately were like, well, does this exist anywhere else?

We had to find it, made sure no one else had it. We made the channel and then the logo and the rest of it. Well, yeah, it was just a series for a while. Then it was the channel. Now it's a channel with an extra producer and over a million subs. True. I remember when that first started becoming a thing because i had just started here and one of the first cars that you got when i was here

was the rivian so you were outside we're like getting b-roll and everything looking at at the car checking it out and then you just pull out your phone and you're like i think i'm gonna do this video on my phone and we were like oh yeah the whole thing and you're like yes and we were like okay and you went back dropped the red back off in this in the studio came back out and shot the whole thing in your phone and that was the first video go up on autofocus yeah dang that's awesome was there a was it a it was the rivium was the first car yeah it was uh like a living with it some sort of miles update i think 10 000 a thousand 10 000 miles something like that yeah i think so yeah yeah yeah five hundred miles r1t that's crazy because my car that i've had

since january 2021 only has 25 000 miles on it and i have like done road trips with it yeah i put i don't know how you drive that i mean a lot of miles i have almost 10 000 miles on my car now yeah wow it's a good time 10 000 10 000 on the on the car now. Yeah. Wow. It's a good time. 10,000? 10,000. On the Porsche? Yeah. You just got it.

Marquez? Dude, when Marquez got that, he wanted to drive it so bad, Jono and I invited him to play disc golf. It was pouring rain outside, and he shows up in the Turbo S, plays a whole round of disc golf, which he's never really played before. In the soaking wet, we were like, he's going to never do this again he's like that was awesome and then like takes off his shoes and puts on an extra pair of shoes he had and gets back in his car and just drives away i was like i cannot believe he drove that here how far is that it wasn't it was maybe an hour from you but

you were just like i want to drive it as much as i can because i have to get through this break-in period so he was willing to drive pouring rain if if you go back and watch the first triple f studio video which i just re-watched recently there's a beautiful moment where you watch you watch marquez decide he's gonna buy this car like six or seven months before he's it's like very much i forgot how funny a moment is like like he's like playing he's like oh this car is really good he's like giving his review and then at one point he goes oh no yeah and then and then shuts the door and starts screaming yeah yeah that i remember that there was like a i mean i'd watched videos of cars but you can only watch so many videos versus

like sitting in in the car. So that was, yeah, that was the moment where it went from below 50% chance to above 50% chance. Okay. Next one. Next story. Okay. David and Adam, can you take this one away?

All right. So this is a long standing thing that has happened for years here. In California, if you are listening to this somewhere around fremont which is where the original tesla manufacturing facility is that's how long ago this was yeah yeah it was it was i think it was before they had made the um what is it called the model y factory factory is before model those model y was just coming out was it really that long ago geez okay yeah well okay and this stretches so long because the license plate has moved cars as well which is kind of know that actually yeah so way back in the day there was a post on reddit that was like

is this marquez and it was a picture of a model 3 with the license plate mkbhd um and obviously no because it was licensed in california we're in new jersey very far away yeah and every now and then like every few months someone randomly on twitter will just be like i just saw mkbhd in california this you like no it's not you bro and they'll post they would post photos of it in like a little shopping center or like somewhere. It was always somewhere in Fremont or very close to Fremont. Just driving around. So Adam and I just started and we were like, what's some fun stuff that we can do for waveform, like extra bonus episodes and stuff like that. And we had, we had been working on some bonus episodes.

stuff like that and we had we had been working on some bonus episodes uh we made the rise and fall of boosted boards episode which if you haven't heard that it's audio only you should go listen to it i think it's one of our it's one of my favorite episodes we've made super cool uh but we decided that we were going to try to figure out who has this license plate and then invite them onto the podcast to talk about why they got the license plate. So Adam and I started digging. We put a lot of posts out being like, hey, if this is you, we'd like to talk to you. We didn't get anything.

But then there was a picture that was posted of this car in the parking lot of the Fremont factory. Tesla factory. And this would happen with like, people would post this on Twitter and we would see it like, Oh, posted six minutes ago. Yeah.

And we would like DM the person immediately. Like, Oh my God, where are you? Can you talk to them? Yeah. So we actually ended up calling the Fremont factory of which we have potentially still have the audio from,

um, because that call was hilarious so we California's I don't think we told them we were recording oh okay I didn't know why they were like we know you're recording we told them we were recording and we said is this okay and they said yes

yeah anyway so we ended up calling the Tesla Fremont factory and being like, hey, we work at this YouTube channel. We believe that one of your employees potentially has this plate. Is there any way that we could like get in contact with them? And they're like, oh, oh, you're the MKBHD channel. Yeah, we love you over here. And we were like, yeah, like, can you please get in contact with us?

here and we were like yeah like can you please get in touch with us and he was like yeah i'll send an email to the guy letting him know and try to get him to get in contact with you guys yeah he was like i can't confirm or deny anything but i'll let the guy i'll let him know uh we get nothing we just get no message from this guy super mysterious it's super weird and super mysterious and and then a few months later the it used to be on a model 3 a blue model 3 we see another tweet where it's on a blue model y so this guy like is like moving the license plate from tesla to tesla as he gets new cars and we've just been like we were searching for this for like a super long period of time and again every like six months or so someone posted on twitter or on reddit there was one point where we dm'd the person really quickly and was able to get whoever took the picture to leave a note on

the guy's yeah yeah we literally were able to get the guy to leave a note and we still got nothing so for some reason this person that owns this license plate does not want us to talk to them which seems confusing when you make a play about a youtube channel that you like that you don't want to be on the youtube channel i can only assume i i don't know of any other mkbhd's so i i'm assuming yeah but. But, you know, this person, for whatever reason, wanted to rep it, successfully got the plate in California, registered it,

put it on their card. I think you pay for that, too. Yeah. I believe so. Got it. And then doesn't want to talk to us at all. Yeah.

You know what's funny is MKBHD is available in New York and I almost got it. That's funny. David, don't do that. That's how you wrap the podcast. Is it David the whole time?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's also available in like Pennsylvania. I talked to Brandon and Vin about us all getting MKBHD license plates because we're all registered in different states and it would just be really funny. That would be crazy. Anyway, at one point we found the car at the fremont factory you took

a photo with okay so yeah we did yeah did the last part of the story is we went to i'm like how close are we to doxing yeah we're so close we went to the fremont factory because we were shooting a video about the model y and that day i saw a tweet in my mentions of like hey is this you at the tesla factory and while I was at the Tesla factory well I think we went back to our hotel and we drove back to the factory because that tweet showed up and it was like this car is like parked in the parking lot and I was like that what are the chances I actually find this car in person in real life so we went back out to the factory it's still sitting in the spot that that tweet was so i took a picture with that car

i posted it saying it's not me yeah so that once and for all people know that it's not me but also i've seen the car and that's probably the end of it it also wasn't like the public parking spaces of the fremont factory not even in like special employee things it was just like right out in the front yeah yeah we all we also like did a bunch of random other investigative stuff like we called the dmv and we filled out this like freedom of information form and they had specifically ticked their information to be hidden if you like search them we paid money to info chaser.com to like what i forgot about yeah we paid five dollars for like a month subscription to no no no no you paid a lot more than that i forgot about yeah we paid five dollars for like a month subscription to

no no no no you paid a lot more than that i paid a lot more than five dollars because it was one of those things where i forgot to cancel this i think i paid sixty dollars in total for this yeah you came back like seven months later like bro remember this thing but that it's one of those things where you can like put in a license plate or put in a phone number and like pull up information about a person like what cops have uh i guess i mean i don't think i think it's quite like it's like public information that they just like gather in one spot it's not like actual legal information that like cops have access to also just to y'all were planning on figuring it out and then asking him if he was interested in being part of the podcast we weren't

gonna go dox anyone no we just thought it would be a fun story for them to finally like we wanted to know why if they wanted this yeah why did you yeah because even i would have been happy with the end of the story being oh he didn't want to talk to us yeah perfect okay cool wrap a bow also speaking of like long formform episodes and and tesla related things we were also planning this long-form episode uh where do tesla employees find out things based on elon tweets and i can't like name any individual people but i've spoken to a ton of people that said that is the case but none of them were willing to be on the record i don't think anyone's surprised by that answer i have also been told by a tesla employee who won't be named nothing no information given but said uh several of the design choices on the project that he was

working on were because in passing elon was like no it should be able to do this and then walked away and and they're like okay that's yeah apparently they completely like changed the modeling for the Cybertruck based on Elon saying like tweeting something out about it and someone I know like went to the design team and was like you guys know about

this and they're like what are you talking about and he pulled up the tweet and they were like oh my god that's how you should start communicating to us yeah just start tweeting and like dropping the tweet link in the like oh my god that's how you should start communicating to us yeah just start tweeting and like dropping the tweet link in the slack just a new waveform episode tomorrow crazy how at david needs to do this later today but and also at this point if you wanted to wrap that episode up all of the intro stuff was when we were audio only yeah so it's like yeah probably not even possible if we find this person i'll figure it out yeah we'd fish it just say also we're not mad no disappointed do you know why no we're not mad

like like we're not trying to find you so that no that we can be like why'd you do this i just want to shake your hand bro yeah i mean when you get take a photo when you get tagged in it every couple months it's super intriguing yeah yeah so you know if if you think we're mad and that's why you didn't it's cool i think it just makes it more interesting that this person seemingly doesn't want to talk i maybe they don't watch the channel i want it to be the wildest coincidence ever it would be so funny if it just means something else and he has like no idea who mark hilarious mary kevin brandon harold and david his five if he had no idea it would be more likely that he would like text us or respond and be like yeah who are you guys i don't know that would be really weird if you just got it

we had someone leave a note on his car that's creepy maybe he's like dude they're really trying to get me yeah i don't. Maybe he thinks we're mad. I'm sorry if that was the case. I know. If you're hearing this, we're not mad. Yeah, we're sorry. We're actually just disappointed that you won't even reach out. Also, just to clarify, we keep saying he because people have told us that they've seen a dude

drive a car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're not just assuming. Someone also said they saw him get out of the car and go into a restaurant, which is creepy. Please don't do that. Don't follow him't, don't. Just, please don't harass this guy or follow this guy around.

I think the story kind of ends here. We're just like, okay, it is assumed that this person has decided they do not want to be a public figure and that's totally fine. That's okay. Why this has basically been abandoned at this point because we don't want to be. Yeah, we're still holding out hope

that something random might happen and the story might come together um i will say this reminds me that the two stories we have regarding teslas have both led to denon's that's true tesla's a weird company i mean they don't even have a marketing department yeah that's true so well you want a story that's the opposite of a dead end yeah absolutely and a lot to do with the marketing department. A marketing department splitting something into a thousand pieces. Dyson. Dyson. Y'all remember Dyson. Dyson's had their fair share of waves actually in the tech community for a while.

They had those headphones with the filter. They've got new headphones out now. They have fan cult favorite products. Vacuum cleaners. People love their vacuum cleaners. Hair dryers. People love their hair dryers. Bladeless fans and all this stuff.

By the way, there's a How I Built This episode with the guy that runs Dyson who is the son of the guy that invented the company or whatever. Yeah, very good episode. They just love suction. Just love it.

Dyson, we suck. That would be an amazing motto. Okay, anyway. So anyway, okay. So their vacuums are very popular. So I think this is something that happens actually a lot here, which is I will get an email for an offer to do some collaboration or a sponsored thing. collaboration or a sponsored thing and i've mentioned this before i say no to 99.99785 of the things that we get but something that happens a lot is we say no to something and then three weeks later my sub box is filled with the thing that i said no to yeah and sometimes it's

like a company saying hey we want to offer you this exclusive first look at something. And then I say no. And then three weeks later, it's on five other YouTube channels or one or two other. Whatever it is. We see that happen all the time. So I don't remember exactly when this was. Oh, I do. I looked way too deep into this.

It was 2017. It was March 2018. So 2018. Yeah, I remember this whole thing. Yeah. So I get an email from dyson reaching out and they're like would you like to do a sponsored uh video with uh one of our vacuum cleaners dyson v10 dyson v10 which is a new vacuum cleaner but i'll be honest bro i use a dyson vacuum at home i bought one i enjoy hanging on the i have the whole setup like it's it's great of the wall mount

yeah i have a wall mount and so i I have to route a cable up to it and plug it in, and it clicks on there. Wow, no need to brag. I know, I'm already a customer. So I saw this email, and I was like, oh, yeah. No, that actually seems like a good fit. So I juggled the idea around in my head. I was like, how does this be a natural fit?

And you've seen our videos before. We try to make it a natural fit into the video. Considered maybe a studio tour with like a section about the vacuum in the studio. I don't know. We tried. We tried. It just didn't really work out.

I couldn't really think of anything. Do you know what's funny? When you said no, you're like, but I do love it at home when you ordered one for the studio. Yeah. You didn't even ask them to send one. You're just like,

we should have one of those for the studio though, and you bought one that's right i ordered one instead of them paying you money you paid them yes their marketing department had 100 conversion okay they're clearly doing something right yeah so all that happens right fast forward a couple weeks and i log into youtube in the morning march 6th march 6th and there's a couple dyson video there's a couple videos all sponsored by dyson some of them just dedicated videos about the vacuum some of them like integrations or no they were they were all dead they were all dedicated sorry i'm gonna interrupt sometimes just because I like went down I searched for Dyson tweets from March 6 2018 and found the timeline of all of this and yeah so here's why it struck me I already I remember saying no to this and I remember them going like here's the date that you'd publish this and there was a time

and there was a couple of videos at the top of my sub box and I said oh wow a couple of them at once that's pretty that's pretty sizable pretty big integration and then a couple hours later there was another wave of more Dyson v10 videos and then a couple hours later there was another wave and so it started being like there's this cascading wave of Dyson videos and it struck me that they're they're kind of like on the hour of Dyson videos and it struck me that they're they're kind of like on the hour and I think my theory is that Dyson not only didn't tell any of these creators about any of the other integrations they were doing but they also staggered the embargo times for all of these different projects that they worked on to cascade throughout the day instead of all dropping at once because let's be honest 40 Dyson videos in your sub box all at once,

you're skipping the whole thing. But three in the morning, three in the middle of the day, three in the afternoon, three at night, you might click one of those. Yeah. And so that's what Dyson did. And I couldn't be happier. I said no. But I did reach in.

I definitely reached out to some creators that I knew were not allowed to yet publish their video before it went out. And they were seeing that and they were mad. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And so, yeah, I think the lesson of this story for sure is if you ever do, if you're a YouTuber watching this, if you're a creator, this is something we implement now. if you're going to do a collaboration with a company or a sponsored post or whatever, one of the questions you should always ask is, are there any other people on this campaign? That's the basic language. Are there any other people participating in this campaign? So that you know, hey, I might just be like by myself endorsing this product and I like it. But if

there's three other people that I really do not want to be associated with also participating in this same campaign at the exact same time even though it doesn't look like you're endorsing those people optically it's a little different so you should you should be aware of those things and this is a prime example of why you should be i would argue even if you are fine associating with those people if it comes so i looked up the times videos are posted from 10 a.m to 3 p.m in like a few different time slots and a lot of those people are people were super friendly with and like but even if like you like something and a bunch of other creators you like post it just looks terrible the optics are awful because everyone is obviously doing an integration which are all disclosed but when there's that many it's annoying to have your mostly were they i don't remember specific ones that weren't disclosed mostly disclosed yeah i think i counted 10 other channels that day

that we did not know about and like it's annoying for everyone else because generally people that follow us probably followed all those other channels. And now if their whole sub box is only this Dyson, it looks Dyson is just taking the day over and that sucks for general content consuming. I just remember there was a lot of pushback because there were some computer hardware channels that I was following that just post like PC builds and graphics card reviews.

And then one day they just all put out like a vacuum video and it was super weird. And it like blew up for everyone because the next day gamers nexus made a video just with like this crappy little uh like like yeah parody video of this like little shop vac that he had and it was just like b crappy b-roll awkward around it to dunk on him because like you could you already signed the thing you can't like leave once because if i was one of those creators who had like a, you cannot publish until 3 PM contract. Yeah. And I saw three posts at 10 AM and then a bunch more posts at noon and a bunch more, I'd be like, Oh, I, well, I had known about

especially because when we do embargoes, like there's kind of this unspoken rule in the industry that you can report on things that are already publicly available so even if you've signed a embargo if other people start publishing an hour before you you can report on them put publishing i would assume this one's different because those are embargoes based on just like if something is public knowledge and these were contracts signed for integration and like payments so where a normal embargo doesn't have any payment involved in it. And then, but yeah, it was a wild day. I would argue we have gotten

into the situation after that. It happened earlier this year. We were ready for an integration. We thought of a really funny way to incorporate it. Thought of this like whole script, everything, we're ready to shoot it. And then over the week of us preparing for it, a bunch of videos came out about it that we didn't know about. And we're ready to shoot it. And then over the week of us preparing for it, a bunch of videos came out about it

that we didn't know about and were really poorly done when we thought of a pretty good way to do it. And we were like, this isn't worth it anymore. And we backed out of it. Yeah. I just want to say, from Dyson's point of view, banger campaign.

Yeah. The controversy literally got them more like yeah visibility is no stranger to that yeah true but i think when they were planning it i want to give them the benefit of the doubt and i think they probably believed that they were making it feel more organic they probably thought that oh you know if they all come out at the same time that's going to look a little weird so what if it looks like they're all just like organically posting on their own time and it's just all on the same day yeah that the more you pay someone to be organic the less organic it winds up being yeah which is it's really tough to explain that to a marketing

person but yeah that's what it ended up there's always emails that are like we want this to feel natural and feel like it would be normally in your content so make sure that you say these things yeah i remember i got an email once uh that basically said you can say a couple of negative things about the product to make it seem natural but otherwise try to make the the mix like 90 10. yeah and i was just like this is so messed up yeah uh so yeah obviously just deleted that email i want to end this with one thing i'm pretty proud of after all of this is next day we released the apple ecosystem explained and we put this banger uh little easter egg in it was where a dyson joke yeah marquez gets a notification on his watch from dyson saying collab question mark and he just quick replies nope damn that's pretty

this is the day after I was pretty that was my little replication of real life because that's actually what we said it was no yeah yeah say no say no more often guys say no it's a great tool to have I will say yeah I don't know i like it's cool that dyson and bows are both private companies and i think that's cool again we like the vacuum so much this is the thing like i literally recently bought one and i'm not just trying to endorse it but they are a great product no i've said i am endorsing it a product that i think lives up to the hype is dyson stick vacuums yeah agreed i will I will say they feel cheapish. Because they're light. Because they're so

light and they're kind of plasticky, but the suction is so good. Was that the one negative thing you were allowed to say? Sorry, I was like... I've treated mine so poorly. The amount of time I've knocked it off my wall, knocked it of the floor

dropped it three plus feet true fine yeah saying totally fine it feels kind of cheap because it's so light it's kind of like what's your what's your biggest flaw at a job interview and being like i just i'm a perfectionist sometimes i don't know how to stop working it feels like i don't have any free time so busy yeah yeah yeah that. Yeah, that was a good time. So, yeah, now you know the backstory of our perspective on- Of March 6th. Of the Dyson incident. Yeah, that day sucked in the best way.

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But it's that time that the FBI surprised us and showed up and investigated at the studio. This music with talking about the FBI coming in the studio is hilarious. Vaguely threatening. Yeah. So, okay, a little background. Our video studio is inside of a larger building, as many are. So there are lots of other tenants here, there's a front desk and there's security and there's all this stuff

and we're one of the tenants in the building. So I've been in this building for a while and we have a pretty good relationship with them. And so one thing that happens because we are a public YouTube channel is sometimes people decide to show up. Don't. Don't do that.

And because people aren't supposed to do that, I've actually talked to the front desk in security and we figured out a rule, which is when I do expect people to come over because it's like, you know, Mr. Mobile might come over and show me clicks or like a briefing might happen and Samsung, whatever, people come over.

If they show up to the front desk and say, I'm here for Marquez, he will go, you have to get Marquez to come outside and meet you at the front desk and say, I'm here for Marquez, he will go, you have to get Marquez to come outside and meet you at the front. That way, if I don't know who they are or I'm not expecting them, I don't show up. That's fine. If I do know who they are and I am expecting them, I go out, I meet them, I bring them back to our spot. That's the only rule, right? So, you know, we've had this rule be this thing for many years we've been in this building it's been great um so one day what year is this a couple years ago 2020 2020 oh yeah you

right so we're brand new in this space down here and uh i get a little knock on the door and so this is like pretty it's really good so this is like early. That was really good, Adam. So this is like early in the morning. We get a knock on the door. I'm there alone. I open the door and it's our front desk guy. And he goes, hey, Marquez. So there's some people at the front here to see you. They have some badges.

You can go out and see them if you want. That's it. And just walks away. No other context? That's some badges. Just they have badges. You're going to be arrested. There's some they have badges you're gonna be arrested there's some people here to see you i love what that's like run if you need to right now like just giving you the

opportunity i could tell like every part of him was like i think i should probably have let them in but i'm just doing our rule thing here yeah i'm not gonna let them in but just so you know there's some people with badges here to see you and i told them they can't come in what a real one that is it so first of all shout out to our guy for sticking to the rule yeah that was great but now i'm standing alone in the studio like what did i do on the way here to have people with badges show up at nine o'clock in the morning to the studio? What could that possibly have been? I had no idea, but I was like, you know what, I'll just, I'll just go out to the lobby and just, I don't know, just see what, see what's going on.

So I walk out to the lobby and sure enough, there's several FBI agents standing there. They all flash their badges, just like in the movies. They're like, hi, I'm FBI agent, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Good to meet you. We just have a couple of questions for you about the Pablo Escobar phone. And I said, Oh, okay. Yeah, we can talk. So I brought them back into the studio. And so, yeah, 9 o'clock in the morning, empty studio, table in the middle. It was kind of dramatic because we had just moved and there was, like, no furniture there. But it was just an empty table in the middle with a couple chairs and just them asking about that phone. And if you guys aren't familiar with the Escobar phone situation.

It's a whole thing. A couple of months earlier, I had made a video about the Escobar. Wow. The company, the fact that they were, yeah, they were coding these phones and gold and pretending to ship them out and they'd ship them to influencers,

but then scam a bunch of people out of money and not ship them. And so they were essentially running a legal business. There's a whole bunch of things that they should be getting in trouble for. They were just first generation Samsung galaxy folds with like the escobar logo it's start it started as a royal flex pie and nobody got those years earlier that phone is terrible by the way then it was the original fold that just had this crappy gold plating on it and then just like they already logged in and put a like mug shot of Pablo Escobar like as the wallpaper. And then they actually went one step further

and then did an gold iPhone 11 Pro, which at that point they were in on the whole thing of like, well, we're just refurbishing these and selling them for cheaper because of Apple. They had a wild marketing campaign where it was like they bought rip samsung.com and rip apple.com yeah because they started off calling it the escobar phone yeah they weren't calling it a samsung phone at first they were saying we have made a folding phone and we're selling it for cheaper than samsung and it when i had eventually gotten that device and i

peeled the gold off it was just the the Samsung phone we all knew it was. And so the only way for them to be selling this phone for a couple hundred bucks, which is less than what it was costing, is if they weren't actually doing that. I have a question about this in their scamming theory. Do you think their theory from the start

was just like, we're actually going to trick people to thinking this is a new phone and we're just not going to send it or yeah there was this weird thing where it was four hundred dollars the actual phone was a thousand dollars do you people were buying this phone despite it looking like a scam but i think it's because they were trying to pull one over on the escobar people thinking like that's a thousand dollar phone but i can get it for four hundred dollars and just peel the gold off the back and then also getting scammed.

But do you think they thought that? And that was their like, we're going to pretend to be dumb and then still. Right. It's hard to tell. Yeah. I don't think because it's, it's so insane that it feels like parody.

Like they released a little booklet with it, with a picture of Pablo Escobar on the front that says, I made billions selling cocaine. Now my smartphones will destroy Apple and Samsung, which is just direct quote. it with a picture of pablo escobar on the front that says i made billions selling cocaine now my smartphones will destroy apple and samsung which is just direct quote yeah direct quote direct quote they have these crazy photos of like almost naked models with just like the phones unfolded around their privates it's like it was so and they're they had a video there were a lot of videos there was videos about this with like tons of coke

and like naked people and phones. On YouTube. On YouTube. One was about how they're going to like cook Apple by, like it was a bunch of like women in underwear essentially. And they had a bunch of iPhone sixes. They kept like putting on grills and lighting on fire. And like, it was very strange.

Yeah. Weird thing. I mean maybe there's a world where they thought that they could trick people into thinking that they were going to get everything that they were saying yeah

I it's really hard but it feels like so much like parody it does that it's hard to think that they couldn't have been like if we make this look like a parody, then people might actually buy it because they think it's funny. Cause there's like an irony. Yeah.

I'm not, I'm not totally sure. And it worked too, because I believe for the first phone, they were using Klarna and Klarna froze their account. And it had like $400,000 in it or something like that. Because again, I think a lot of people were like,

well, if I don't get it, it's $400. But if I do, and it's a good story, but if I do get it, I get a $1,000 phone for $400. And I get to tell people that I bought a drug lord's phone.

And I'm super cool now. Marques, I have a question. Yeah. So the whole walk to the studio that morning it's a pretty long walk like with them following yeah with them following you like what's going through your mind were you guys talking were they saying anything was it just silent so when they met me at the door they showed their badges and i was freaking out inside i was very confused i was like i can't imagine what they're here for but

i think they immediately were like yeah we would like to talk about we're doing an investigation about this uh escobar phone or whatever and as soon as i heard that i was like oh thank god i can help you with that okay i will snitch yes that's me so that from then yes they i just like was like yeah come back to the studio and yeah i guess that was probably a quiet walk but eventually like i uh i like talked to them they had a whole bunch of questions that made sense like what were your communications with them you know can we see the phones they actually say took the phones as evidence they sealed them up in plastic bags and took them as evidence you were you still logged in i never logged into those yeah i did

not log into those phones you just found the like receipt for them taking that for evidence right i did yeah so i have a paper because at when they left they they left me with, let's not talk about this until, you know, this case is like wrapped up someday. So just like, this is, consider this confidential. And so I was like, okay, I'm not going to tell a soul about this, but someday I will be able to. So I'm just, I'm keeping this paper. I'm keeping all of this. And then you eventually, we kind of just figured like maybe we should figure out how long it's gonna be can i step back a little bit yeah so my morning that day

this was also i'm realizing how wild the timing was because this was june 2020 so at that point the only time i was coming into the office was once every other week to record the podcast and then i was leaving and editing at home. So I happened to come in that morning. I had, and I parked the car outside and I had an email that said, um, it was just subject Escobar phone. It was from somebody that said their name.

And then in parentheses, FBI from an FBI.gov web, uh, web account. And she said, hi, Mr. Brownlee,

we would like to speak to you in regards to the Escobar phone. We are currently in the lobby of your building. If you come downstairs or contact me at a number, thank you, special agent blank. And so I was running. I had the public email address coming to me. So you never got this email. I parked my car and was like, are we getting spoofed? Is like somebody trying to scam us or something?

The easiest way to figure this out is if I park at the front of the building and come in the front instead of the side entrance, they don't know who I am or that I work for you. So I can walk by and see if there's people that look like agents and then I can come in and tell you about it. Cause it was like, they sent it a few minutes before I got there. Scouting. Scouting.

Yeah. So I walk into the lobby and no one's there like we're getting someone's trying to scam us somebody spoofed this email address and i walk down ready to tell marquez this funny email that i got and then i see him in the middle of the room as i'm opening the door with three people in suits and marquez is just waving me in and i'm like what is happening and then i maintained that you should have just turned around and started running i don't know if that would have neither of you guys between finding out that you were about to talk to the fbi and talking to the fbi neither of you reached out to a lawyer did you no no bold well because i i was too late marquez marquez waved

me and at that point i told me what they were going to ask me about and I was immediately like, oh, I am not in the wrong here. I am just helping with evidence collection for a case against someone else. That's still a very valid question. Look, Matt Damon, fortune favors the bold. Let's get it, boys. You know?

So when I came in, that was the point. I had been the one who got all the emails from them because it was at the business account. And yeah, they basically just said, can you forward me all of those emails? They asked if there's any other sort of information we might have of who they might contact.

And we told them about, they were running this weird thing on their YouTube page where they paid a couple of random celebrities to do cameos talking about how cool the phone is. They didn't say they were cameos though. They just uploaded the video of people endorsing their phone. It was Chris Hansen. It was this Swedish figure skater, I believe, Anna something. And it was Corey Lewandowski, Trump's former campaign manager. Those were the three people. So not that cameo is the one doing that dealing,

but we let them know about that. And yeah, other than that, they just asked the questions. They did take the phones. We have not seen them again since. That's correct. And yeah, we were, you referenced it a couple of times.

You mentioned it one time at the end of a smartphone awards. Yeah, I said like, I'd like to be able to tell the story someday you said i think that's what you said on a reddit ama on the smartphone awards you just said like here are all the phones from this year the escobar phone is missing because the fbi has it and you just kind of like brushed it off i did do that and reddit was like not sure if you were joking or if that was real and there are some people like i can't wait to hear that story and a bunch of other people who are like that's just a joke come on there's no way that's real um but that was four years ago the reason we feel finally comfortable

to talk about it now is because the guy olaf who ran that whole company is now in jail in spain and um for fraud and a bunch of other things. And there's potential talks about him possibly being extradited to the US to be investigated, I believe. Do not come to our studio. I don't think you can come to a studio when you're in jail. But yeah, so I don't believe we will be

interrupting any investigations at this point. Also, didn't they kind of wrap this up like a year or so ago i thought something happened with this case well in december he got picked up in prison got in spain nice um that's everything i've had to read about this is in swedish so i have to translate it all um yeah can i just say that i remember the first time marquez mentioned this to me while i was just like walking around the studio he's like oh yeah you know when the fbi took the took the phone whatever blah blah and i like did a hard 180 like what yeah what are you talking about yeah it's also not the only time the fbi has contacted us about something. It's true. Yeah. After the meme coin video

where we talked about the influencers doing, we got emails from Tron, the crypto company, asking us to do an undisclosed tweet. Asking us to do something super illegal. Yeah, yeah, just straight up. And not only asking us to do something illegal, naming the other people that did the illegal thing in the email. So you mentioned that in a video and they pretty much were like, I think they needed

us to send the emails to them again. Yeah. And that one was fairly quick. We didn't get to see any FBI agents, but yeah, it more than once. I'm not a very smart guy you know last week i uh said a southeast asian country which when i in fact meant nepal which is not in southeast asia that's just in south asia uh so you know not the smartest guy here but i would never ask someone to do something illegal in a dm and then name my accomplices in the same DM. It's like to later get screenshotted and put into a video.

Am I a snitch? Am I, is that just what I do? No snitching on reasonable. The podcast audience commit crimes. Do it. That is a soundbite, but clearly I'm brain cells ahead of these meme coin folks.

Well, that was a marketing agent for a meme coin. So, like, you've got two levels of cluelessness going on, I think. Yeah. Was that after we made a Dogecoin experiment? It was that video that Mark has put in the video, yeah. That email. Yeah. Man, that was a wild time. TLDR, if you're doing some illegal stuff don't email don't yeah yeah

we don't want to be involved we will snitch you're gonna end up on youtube man sorry david there's all these waves of like tech scams that just keep coming through you know there's all that crypto and then there was all the metaverse stuff yep now we're probably going to find out most of this AI stuff is just smoking mirrors. Just waves and waves of it. Which we kind of already know. So that's that. Anyway, yeah. Ideally, we have a much more fun retelling of that on the main channel, which is a good time.

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Live for love with People's Jewelers. All right, welcome back. Couple more short stories for you, all of which are untold in the channel's history. This is untold, yeah. But all of which are hilarious from our perspective, or at least worth telling. Okay, next one is a CES story.

It's a story of how I became a villain for at least 24 hours i was i was hated couple weeks i would say yeah oh really a couple weeks well because the video had to come out yeah so for a while i still hate you yeah a big time hated guy from this um at the time and this was again 20 so 2019 uh before i had ever watched any formula one this this was around the time where Lewis Hamilton was like winning everything. And that's all I really knew about Formula One at the time. But OK, so we're at CES 2019. And CES, for those who don't know, for a tech YouTuber, is a very hectic time.

I mean, it can be hectic or less hectic depending on what you make of it. But for someone like me, we are bouncing around between things we're trying to do at CES. Going to a meeting, and then going to see a thing, and then going to shoot a thing, and then going to shoot a different thing

that we got told about, and then going to another meeting, and then going across to this thing outside of the convention center, and it's just, it's very busy. It's a couple days of that. And're like that convention center is big it's not just like oh i want to see this thing it's a couple minutes away it could be a 20 minute walk away it could be an hour long taxi car right away i left a tripod at a one plus briefing and went to another briefing literally yeah that's that's the first time we ever saw you yeah you almost collapsed on the floor in front of us because i sprinted back

from like yeah a 45 minute walk across the anyway whatever yeah there's there's stuff in the convention center there's stuff in the hotels outside the convention center you know booths like meeting rooms all kinds of setups i actually find that that's hilarious that the first thing you ever saw from me was me being like we were like eating on this table and you like literally came up to the table and just went like this that's the most c.e.s. that is c.e.s. anyway so okay so so we're in the thick of it in this c.e.s. and i i do remember mean, people come up to me at CES and take either pictures or want to say hi. And I'm totally cool with that. I will say hi to people and take pictures of people at CES.

This is pre-COVID as well. So we're just shaking hands, hugging. It's great. It's a good time. CES, you get to meet people. Kissing babies. Was it 2020? 2019.

Okay. Yeah. 2020, actually, funny enough, was the year I was like, I get sick every year at CES, so you know what I'm going to do this year? Fist bumps only. And that year, I went around saying, hey, no one gets sick this year, right? Oh, super spreader! And then it was at that moment that everyone got sick.

Spoiler alert, they did. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. So, yeah, CES, we're hauling around. We're busy. We're shooting a bunch of stuff and trying to be courteous in between things.

So I remember we were on our way. I want to say it was from Razor or to Razor. We were in the Mercedes booth going to Razor. And if you've been to CES, the auto booth, I think it's the North Hall. And I think the Razor booth is generally in the east hall they are extremely far away they are as far away on the convention floor as possible yeah so i'm trying to like hustle my way across to to make this this meeting uh on my way someone like sort

of stops me and goes hey oh uh you're um you're the guy from, now, pause. Everyone has a different way, this is something I've noticed, everyone has a different way of like trying to explain that they know who you are, whether it's, oh, you're the guy with the iPhones, right? Or, oh, my son knows your videos, I've seen your video,

I've heard your voice from his bedroom. Like, everyone has a different thing that they say. What this guy said was, oh, you're the YouTube guy. My friend really likes you. My boss really wants to meet you. Hang on here for a second. I'm going to go get him. Okay.

So I'm like, I'm kind of on my way to something. I can give this guy a minute or two. Maybe he wants a picture or something. I can say hi and I just need to keep going. So I literally wait there with all my bags and stuff. And like this guy disappears into this booth, comes back out with another guy. He goes, hi.

Oh, good to meet you. And he's filming me now. Okay. Oh no. So now he's filming me and this guy comes out hey um and i think he basically just says like oh i'm nico you know you know that guy lewis hamilton yeah i beat him i'm the guy that beat him and i'm like okay great keep in mind i am not watching formula one at this time so i don't actually know really what that means i know that uh lewis hamilton is an f1

driver and i know that's oppressive but i didn't really know what to say so i just kind of didn't say much and uh i think he says one or two other things like uh i don't even remember nice to meet you like you know well it's in his videos so it this oh this whole interaction happens we end it i shake hands and i'm like all right right, well, I got to go. See you later. And I keep going to my meeting. I shake a few other hands on the way. Fine.

A couple of weeks later, I log into YouTube. I think actually probably on Twitter. And everyone on Twitter is like, why is Marquez such a jerk? Like, why is he such a dry, unenthusiastic person? And I go, wait, what's going on? And this ended up in a Nico Rosberg blog now hindsight now I know who Nico is now I know a little bit about F1 and obviously he's a Formula One world champion this is a huge deal for a lot of people and so he's going around and it's kind

of a huge deal that he knows who I am and like he's already enthusiastically chatting about CES the fact that he's at CES at all is cool I didn't know any of this at the time but uh my interaction comes off as kind of like trying to dismiss him and like leave when i kind of don't know what's going on and got ambushed with the camera so that happened uh and now i am a converted f1 fan and I'm a huge fan of Formula One. I didn't know at the time. If I have to say also, it's not only that like we were trying to get somewhere, we weren't expecting, you weren't expecting a camera to come up and start getting interviewed. Yeah.

But he very obviously, when you've been to CES a couple of times, you know 90% of the stuff is garbage and will never happen. And he was like, oh oh i saw this really cool like helicopter bike that you don't need any permits to drive and he's like showing you a video on his phone and like to him that was probably really cool because that's ces your first time and you're not that into tech that is wild all of us would have seen that on the floor and been like never gonna happen and just walk straight past it so like it was also showing stuff we knew which is pretty much vaporware

um so like yeah the video is him showing you that on his phone you trying to get out of there and feeling kind of dismissive which it looks not great but like we had a very long walk to go to to a meeting and didn't know who he was at that point i was then late for there are a lot of comments that are not very happy. Yeah. So yeah, that, that is a fun story with a not so fun ending, but it did happen. Um,

yeah. So my, uh, I would say that probably the guy who stopped me to go grab Nico probably should have mentioned that he was going to film possibly. That would be my, yeah, yeah.

It's not, or who his boss was or like yeah anything yeah that nico's still vlogging by the way he just got some crazy the f1 he's making car like hyper car from mercedes you have a lot of views he gets it yes this is a wild car though too yeah less subscribers over a million for a vlogging former f1 champion i think so who doesn't need to vlog yeah yeah it's just for fun for the love of champion i think so who doesn't need to vlog yeah yeah it's just for fun for the love of the game david you don't need subscribers if you just get cool cars and drive them for fun on camera fair enough there's a whole subgenre of youtube creators that

is just like former professional athletes like him like marquez roy hibbert current professional athlete marquez in the future will be a retired pro retired pro athlete marquez is the other way where it's like marquez is a famous youtuber who happens to be a pro athlete no well the other genre that's so popular now is active players with podcasts yeah super popular nba there's like seven eight nine big and active nba player podcasts it's now we're in the era of active nba players who are also analysts too well yeah yeah they go on an analyst which i think makes a lot of sense but it is always fun to have like draymond like the night after a horrible game like go on his podcast and address the comments about why he didn't pass it to steph like that's i think funny the one that

makes the least sense now are the professional athletes that also decide they want to livestream things, and none of them are smart enough to maybe stop saying... There was, like, a Formula 2 driver that, like, said a bunch of really dumb shit and got dropped from his team

because you decided to livestream. Yeah, don't do it live. Well, don't do it at all, but definitely don't do it live. Yeah, but't do it at all but definitely don't do it live yeah but at least because these guys they're not editing their own podcast they're they hold up the mic and they say the thing and then somebody edits as the old adage goes if you're thinking about whether or not you should tweet it you probably should dang david and i have each other's backs when that stuff take away the keyboard david's unplugging you're typing too

fast over there what are you doing whenever i see you typing fast and I look at your monitor and it enter and you're like oh no he sent it i let's delete now yeah yeah it's delete i try not to end game so for the next story i just wanted to introduce this because we're all gonna tell a quick little short story to wrap up this episode ellis in the docks has ellis colon dash pirate And that's the story. I'm very curious to see where this goes. This is, I feel like a forgotten part of my lore here at the office. And it's from just before I got hired, sort of. Before.

The question I get asked the most is, how did you get this job? How can I get a job like you? And it's a difficult question to answer because weirdly this is the job that had the most traditional hiring process of like any job i've ever had like before this i would get my i would get jobs by like showing up unannounced with my resume and a flash drive and like doing all sorts of like crazy stuff to try to get a position this was like i filled out an application the application wasn't a tweet though that's a little unconventional uh uh actually technically i was not on twitter at that point

i fill out the application because marquez made a video where he specifically said i'm hiring a podcast editor wow i do anyway uh like a year before this is my answer to how do i get a job like this about a year before i had gotten hired this is like uh august maybe september 2020 like like still early on in the pandemic i had recently started playing the video game uh sea of thieves i was playing it with my best friend who uh we were roommates so spent a lot of covid time together we had also we had also just watched all of the pirates of the caribbean movies and over the course of like two days like we were double featuring these and we were both just like argh matey we had both become like borderline like like pathologically obsessed with pirates it was like like all we could think about was pirates.

All we wanted to talk about was pirates. It was just like, the whole thing was like super in our brain. And so what we decided to do to like get out this obsession is we got, uh, all of our friends together. Um, not all of our friends,

but like our five or six, like closest friends. We pooled all of our audio gear together. We were, we're all audio and music peoples we had a lot of gear uh we isolated for a week or two so that we knew we would be like totally good and then we all loaded into our house and we turned our entire house into a studio like a multi-floor one floor was the control room that had mics going to the the bottom and top floors so that there was like perfect isolation and we recorded an hour-long feature-length radio play about pirates with music and sound effects

and everything and this is what i submitted yeah to you guys yeah right to be like let me work for you and i have it here and i wanted to play i'm trying to find it you won't find an hour long no one will find it yeah i'm gonna play all the full hour of it nice awesome can i say before you play it i do specifically remember something else you sent which was a podcast about tap dancing i believe yes and you had a very specific part in it where you really like this was right after you guys did the boosted board episode yeah and we were talking about how we wanted somebody who was very good at also being able to add sound and like ambience to storytelling and

you posted this great part that was talking about tap dancing where there was like shoes tapping in the background and music and like all these things that made it feel like in the story tap dancing was happening i appreciate that it was great in my head you know that was for another project that was like very much like just a gig and like i had three extra hours and i was like oh i have time to like record this and it was very fun to do and do at my home and if you ever need a tap dancing sound effect that you can't find a packaging tape being pulled taut and then suddenly ripped is like pretty similar to a tap shoe hitting the floor at least similar enough that none of you guys noticed that that wasn't the sound of the tap shoe that was the sound of the packaging tape

but much cooler is my pirate thing which i would really like to play a clip of uh here it is you just did this for fun is that you no i can play you one that i did but uh all the sounds the background chatter this is all us. All recorded originally. But it is. What? It is a drama. So without spoiling it too much, I will skip to. This is an hour long. It's an hour long.

It took us about a week to write all the parts and write the script. What? Who are you? Tell me who you are! Tom! What are you doing? Where did you come from? This is such a dramatic moment at the end.

Captain! Tom, stop! That's me. That's me also. I know your face. I know your face. I know who you are. You're all damned.

You're all damned. You're all damned. You're all damned! Anyway. So, Marques Brownlee heard that and said, that's the guy. I don't think we ever played that out loud. Really? I don't. So, like, why doesn't waveform sound like that? Or, if we did, we didn't understand the situation.

Like, maybe if we played some of that, we would have thought like oh there was way more going on i remember sitting at andrew's desk with andrew and i think adam and going through i'm trying to find your application well never mind i totally thought that this passion project i made with my friends i have no doubt no doubt in my mind i skimmed through it i probably didn't hit that exact part i wish i did i was just gonna say i remember skimming through yeah there's a there's a lot you know like actually i don't want to in case there's copyrighted stuff in here but uh long story short if you want a job like this one pirates watch all the pirates of the caribbean movies get completely no just like follow your heart why can i not find your application follow your your dreams follow your heart do what makes you happy and marquez brownlee

will eventually find you facts that's how we do it all right uh okay i don't know if any of you who are watching this or listening to this have seen this series but one of the first things that we did when we launched the studio channel was we did a ev road trip comparison race not really race but effectively what we did is we took the one of the longest range evs at the time that wasn't a tesla which by the way at that period of time there were not very many evs out it was like tesla and a couple of others and ford had just launched the mustang monkey uh the tesla model s long range was like the longest range tesla and then we took a regular gas car that we stuffed uh adam and andrew and tim into that was very funny so we kind of like

i don't know if we pulled straws or like how this worked but effectively brandon and i end up ended up in the mustang monkey marquez and hayato took the model s yep and is that the plaid it was right after it was your car it was right after he got the plaid um so anyway at the time especially the infrastructure for electric vehicles that were not teslas was trash trash it was so bad it's still still really bad but it was a lot worse and that was kind of the entire point of the video was like could you buy anything that's electric that's not a tesla and make it up to niagara falls and back about a thousand miles stopping at a certain amount of places i think we tried to make it also like you just get in and go like this is the average person getting yeah we didn't

map out specific routes outside of the correct in navigation built in the idea was like if your mom bought an ev how would it go so brendan and i get the mustang machi and we start going and everything's fine at first everything's great we stop at one of our first you know pit stops and to charge and the charger just doesn't work. So we're like, okay, well, we're pretty much out of gas completely. Well, electricity. So we ended up having to plug in at a gas station to a wall outlet to be able to get us enough energy to go to another charger.

Regardless of all this, this was effectively our experience on the entire trip. It was just bad, bad, bad. And part of this video series, which you should go watch on the studio channel, it's called Behind the Thousand Mile Race, part one and part two. Very funny. An hour in total.

So it's an experience. I start getting DMs from Ford's being like, hey, we don't like like that we don't like this and i was like yeah me neither and if you don't watch the video series brandon and i are just devolving into madness because it took us like 17 more hours to complete the trip but regardless um they start pushing me they're like my boss is not going to be very happy about this and i'm like cool that's not my problem and then randomly i get a message from her that's that's like so okay we sent people out to a bunch of different ev charging locations and we created a map specifically to get you to niagara falls and

back where we can ensure because we already had people that went out there and checked that all of these chargers are operational and i was like you know as you do with literally the opposite of the point of this video yeah um and so i was like, the whole point about this is that we're trying to use the inbuilt navigation. Also, when Ford launched the Mach-E, they also launched the, like, Ford Charger Network map thing. FordPass. FordPass or something like that. And the whole idea was that they worked with all the, like, EVgo and ChargePoint and all the, like, third-party charging vendors to basically map out where all the chargers were but especially at that period of time there was no way for you to know if the charger was working or not or what like level of charger it was because some of them were just like

chargers like yeah like wall yeah basically wallets are seven kilowatt something like that um and so it was just a total disaster it was just such a mess and i just had ford in my dms constantly being like please please please can you not do this and i'm like we literally told you what this video was going to be when we asked if we could borrow a car and you accepted it and now we're doing it and now you're really upset so for weeks i had i had people from like ford comms and my dms being like i really just don't think you guys should publish this video and we were like what did you think was gonna happen dude that's why oh and the other thing we also got like the new york state head

of transportation like tweeted about it was like something like department of transportation yeah it was like the new york state head of department of transportation like tweeted about it and was like this is unacceptable levels of like ev upkeep when i started in this administration i promised that i would do this and seeing this now is insane it's funny what i like to say is when we do especially tests like that like we are in a way like professional users, like our ourdepth to find the exact best possible experience it could possibly offer. But the vast majority of people are going to have a different version of that experience

and we're trying to uncover and understand that experience. And so we could have gone on the exact pre-planned route that Ford created for us where they sent people ahead of time to chargers to make sure they're online and working. And it's like, yeah, then we would get one version of the answer, which is in Ford's best interest. interest yeah but the point of the test is to understand what most people who get this vehicle are will default to for their

experience yeah and it turns out that was very different and i had a bunch of people on twitter and stuff too being like why don't you just use this spreadsheet that's been shared around where everybody like mapped out exactly where there are chargers and what their wattage is and i was like because my mom would never do that and i'm trying to be my mom here you know i would argue in universe we also get another mock e which has their optimal best route and another and we'd have like seven variables instead of just three but we had three it's just funny too because like that ultimately wound up being the best thing for ford because when you're trying to convince people to go to an ev and that's the experience they have you've just lost that person as an ev customer forever probably so like i made that video just giving us a pre-prowned route that

looks perfect um is like not going to help the people who then get absolutely destroyed on a road trip right yeah i later made a video on autofocus called like this is ruining evs for people and it's literally i overheard a conversation well i had a couple experiences but i overheard that conversation which is literally like someone pissed off at a charger like i'm never getting an electric car again i'm returning this i hate this and there's another one where i like helped some lady charge when i was going to get food and like trying to explain how to charge her model 3 at this charge point charger when she didn't have an account it's just like honestly yeah just go to a tesla super i'm sorry like this is not gonna be easy for you and that of those things add up to just like,

there's too much friction. Everyone knows how to go to a gas station. And there should just be that same level of zero thought, zero friction for charging. And that's the thing. I highly recommend watching all of the videos we made about this. You can just see multiple points where Brandon and I are like, okay, this one is guaranteed to work.

And we show up and it's like one in the morning and we go and it's just not working. I get on the phone with the charge point person being like yeah this one's down they're like oh yeah yeah we knew that but you didn't change it in the app like what is going anyway yeah so it was ridiculous go watch those videos okay adam you're in the stock and you have like five stories. How quick can you tell these? Because all of them are really good. 100 hamburgers, 100 burgers.

Yeah, so, okay. First one, Apple messing with our timeline during WWDC a year ago and we needed to record two podcasts in one week, which was crazy. We recorded the Waveform X Ver x verge cast trivia extravaganza on apple campus featuring featuring the verge cast well also featuring the energy drink so during that time slot we were supposed to record that with verge cast and then also record

our podcast what actually ended up happening was we recorded the slot with verge cast after they snuck in some execs so that marquez could interview them right which took up our time slot which is fine you know it happens pr people have to like do things sometimes they have to pr they have to pr uh we didn't find those interviews all that interesting so we never ended up publishing them but it took up our time slot it was and yeah because we were like one of the last time slots in the night so like it pushed up to the people that they had hired to do the podcast stuff which who are awesome who were all amazing and they were union workers and stayed there till their last second of that yeah i saw them again when we did the tim cook interview yeah yeah all the same

people were those yeah those people are awesome um which then meant though not only did we not get to record it on campus which like looks cool and has done really well for us we had to fly home and record it like first thing yeah thursday morning or whatever so i was off the plane i was editing the podcast that we had just recorded on the flight back we landed in the youtube video if you watch that episode there's a red bull on my desk because i am just crushing red bulls that day because we recorded it and then i had to get it live friday morning the next day and because this was in california and we flew back ellis had a previous engagement in california so he just stayed behind so in that episode he wasn't there so I had to

send him the audio remotely and he had to edit it remotely from I think his parents house right yeah I remember yeah and we're like facetiming each other like and it was it was crazy when we facetimed him he just just like outside with sunglasses on I was like I was literally editing the podcast like on the sand on the beach like damn adam you look stressed logistics go crazy yeah so that was one story the second story i have is when i first got hired the first like week ish here um i pretty much just got handed the reins to the podcast immediately which was terrifying the first week i think andrew like we came in here i was sitting off to the side. You guys recorded, like, normal, whatever. You walked out, and you just handed me the micro SD, and we're like, here you go.

And I was like, okay. In my defense, and I'm sorry that's how it felt, but I immediately knew whoever we hired had more experience than I did, and I was the one doing it previously. Fair enough. So, I think it was, like, take this. We recorded it early. Like, take your time with it and i'll go over and like check everything when it's done but like i had full confidence in you being far more capable of whatever i was doing for however i appreciate that yeah still terrifying

sorry but earlier in that week we were setting because i was one of the first like other employees i think brandon and vin were obviously here and michael's remote yeah and then it was like adam and i got hired at the same time but i took an extra month off yeah so then i came a month before david so i was here when we didn't have any other desks for anyone else um and there was a point where we're like planning like okay you know we're doing this waveform video thing that we want to launch eventually like we're changing up the intro music like let's let's listen to some of the tracks that i have here and andrew was like setting up pods for the desk so he's just building desks while blasting 20 syl because i think marquez was like at an event or something or doing a briefing

so i'm just like sitting in the corner and we're like listening to a track pausing it like oh how do you feel about that one? Oh, that felt like that felt intro. OK, yeah, let's let's put that off to the side. We'll mark it down as potential intro music. And we narrowed it down that way to the song that you hear today. Yeah, well, 20 SYL was basically like, here's like 20 different drop or like beats that I made that are like two minutes long that I didn't use.

And if you want to license one of them for the podcast, you can. So we just listen to it over and over. That's what I learned about my favorite music producers is they all just kind of have beats that they just scrap that they just have on a hard drive somewhere. And they're all fire. We'll take them all. So, yeah. Another story I have is when we hired when we hired when we bought Monstro. What's the name?

No, no, no. Colossus. Thank you. which is our current camera robot when the current camera robot showed up we were all very excited we've run outside to the truck because it's like oh my god it's here we start running out uh we're like six strong seven strong at the front of the building just like staring at the back of the truck turns out it tipped over in the truck this like 10 000 pound robot yeah yeah and then we're all like inside trying to move it and we realized very quickly like we can't move yeah i think it's like 1600 pounds us the owner of the company and the driver all opened the door at the same time and it was just knocked over laying on its side and we're like oh my god and like the driver and the driver all opened the door at the same time and it was just knocked over laying on its side and we're like oh my god and like the driver and the owner of the company keep going back and

forth like did you know that happened and he's like i didn't hear anything it's like it's a 2 000 pound robot that fell over in the back of your truck how how did you not feel that yeah he definitely took a turn a little fast and just heard like a i don't know what that is whatever we were planning to release that video on studio channel and at some point during this whole fiasco andrew just is like we should stop we should stop recording this is not gonna make a video yeah uh next story david and i staying up till 3 a.m here working on the boosted board episode yeah going ultra hard on transitions yeah sound effects and where should we put what and it was just like a

very fun core memory of like early working here it was our first special episode that we ever did and because it was audio only there's so much more you can do when you're limited to audio because you can really like encapsulate someone in their head and use sound effects and music and transitions and yeah until like 3 a.m because we were publishing the next day we were just like oh but what if we did this here what we did this here and we're just like sitting at our desk like yeah to be clear the episode was done but we were just like going just adding stuff so hard just like adding a bunch of stuff yeah it's very fun it's very good you should end it up with an hour-long pirates which was so cool and those are my my stories. Yeah. Okay. But what about,

wait, can I tell this one? Okay. Okay. I was, I was there for the whole thing. We were, uh, I was in the kitchen,

uh, with kitchen has a window, which overlooks the, uh, like the part of the parking lot where we have like dedicated spaces, like MKBHD employees only. And, uh,

there's yeah, big flex. Uh, and Brandon on his Tesla needed a tire change and uh correct me if i'm wrong tesla owners but but tesla will come to your car wherever it is and just change your tire while you're at work or while you're in any sort of public parking so brandon was having this service done there's a tesla service van uh you know sort of parked perpendicularly to the row of our cars and uh someone uh is like hey look there's a little bit of smoke in the parking lot and we all look and by the time our our heads have turned this tesla service van not an ev gas vehicle sprinter uh

sprinter van yeah just uh so what popping it was popping and the smoke has turned like deep black and it's clear like this is a car that is on fire um and uh it took about 20 ish seconds for the car to be like definitively on fire the driver hopped out was gone not not like not fleed the scene go went to go get someone who could deal with and get away from a car that is on fire getting worse and it kept getting worse and worse and this car that's on fire is like maybe three feet from marquez's like brand brand new porsche and and so lo and behold marquez is actually in the bathroom at this point and andrew's like marquez uh marquez you might want to come see this marquez comes out of the bathroom and i've never seen someone cooler under pressure it was crazy

Marquez's hands might as well have been in his pockets because he was just like it was just like well nothing I can do it was like 10 feet it was and everything was fine the car didn't explode the Tesla car

exploded it's window like i know but if it had exploded the row of evs parked within feet of it would have also you know it would have been way worse but the the part of the story that i think stuck in everyone's mind is the at this point in the story the car is definitively on fire like the flames are much bigger than the car it's a fire fireball. The van itself, yeah. Yeah. And the fire department has just rolled up

and this one firefighter man just walks up to the flame, gets what feels like inches from it and just stands there like this. Do you know the meme of the guy at like the server rack with his like pants down a little bit? That's what the firefighter said.

I guess he was looking for something, getting info, but I had just never seen anyone with more chutzpah than that guy in that moment i think it was because the fire was coming from inside the sliding door like where the service happens and i assumed he saw tesla and was wondering if it was battery fire versus a compressor yeah yeah the strong the the really powerful irony of this whole situation is that people are always anxious about electric cars catching fire because of the batteries and it happened to be the gas-powered sprinter tesla service van that caught on fire because of the compressor i think it might have been a transit van not a sport transit yeah

okay yeah but it was a service it was a tesla sir it just it was really for just catching strays in this episode either way shout out to the fire department because that got they were so calm and collected like they came they're pulling out the hose and we're all like what are they doing what's taking them so long and they're just taking their sweet time they like turn on the faucet and then and it's gone the fire just went out immediately from my perspective i'm in the bathroom which is 10 feet from the window and i i kind of just over here like oh my god is it on fire that's the first thing i hear and i'm like so you think it's in the studio okay something on the studio on fire and then i get out of the bathroom and everyone's

faces are just like up against the window and it's just a fireball i'm like what is going on we were pretty close to the window and i think all of us we i don't think we're like against it i think it was so quickly we were like we should back up yeah because it's glass we all think my dad came in a little too much maybe we all put videos on on instagram stories and all of the replies were like get away from the window yeah i'm pretty sure adam was on the phone and i ran and like knocked on the door and he's like talking to somebody i was like hang up you have to see what's happening right now i was like well i guess brandon's flat tire isn't getting fixed today it did get fixed it was after the tire was it was the same oh it was after i think the tire

was right the compressor to inflate the tire just that was its last gasp yeah yeah everyone was okay driver was okay he got away he came spoke with us after yeah fine there's still ashes in our parking lot there are there are and there's still like some stuff melted into the parking lot too it's pretty sick it's pretty funny souvenir a lot of stuff has happened in that parking lot yeah all right i got one more story um we we go through a lot of airports and we kind of have like a little ritual of like going trying to pack as efficiently as possible so that when we bring all of our camera gear through tsa it hopefully doesn't get stopped now when we travel with a bunch of camera gear it looks like a lot like there there's big cameras, glass,

dozens of kilowatt hours of batteries all stacked on top of each other, weird looking things. Red also went through a period where they named their cameras the Weapon and all sorts of other not great TSA friendly names. So we have a litany of stories of like, oh, one time we were late to check and we had to check the bags.

So we just held the cameras for a six hourhour flight you remember that that was going to canada and the um overhead compartments weren't the same size where our bags are set for that so they wouldn't fit yeah so we sorry at least like twice yeah because it happened also where we were late and they ran out of checked bags and they were like you have to check those bags and i were like oh they're full of glass i can't we can't really check them or like you have to check them so we pulled all of the glass and cameras and batteries out and like cradled them and walked to the back of the plane with them put our clothes like in the camera bags threw them under and then like our bags were just full of cameras instead but my favorite tsa incident was uh when we flew uh to this tiny little west palm beach airport where we shot this video on the Lamborghini Aventador or maybe it was the Huracan.

I don't even remember anymore. We came back and as we're leaving, we are basically the only people in this airport. And it's like pretty early in the morning and the TSA there, pretty bored. They don't have anything else to do clearly. So as we go through, they're like, wow, look at all these crazy bags. Let's go through all of them. And they go through and check every single one of our bags. And I do remember a moment where they open a camera bag and they see the, the red weapon camera in there. And the guy's like, so what is this? I'm like, this is a this is a camera and he's like okay you sure about that

uh do you mind if like you show me that it's a camera and i so i pull the cap off and i go see look that's the sensor right there it's a camera and he's like all right let me just swab that real quick i was like nope never mind i'm closing that up like i'm sorry you cannot swab that it's swab the outside do anything else he asked cannot swab that. Swab the outside. Do anything else. He asked to swab the actual sensor of the camera, and I was like, I don't think we can do that. We'll drive.

Yeah, just drive. Yeah, so there's always fun little tidbits of things that happen at TSA. Side note, TSA at Newark is pretty cool because I go through the same ones so many times. They kind of just know me now, which is, I guess, I guess fine Ellis do you remember the TSA guy in Ohio there's two two TSA guys in Ohio the first one is uh with I when we're traveling together I'm usually responsible for the audio suitcase which has cables microphones not quite as threatening as the camera bag but still like stuffed full of electronics and like it got flagged going through the x-ray and so like xeria like takes

it pulls it to the side puts it down and then he like on his monitor like pulls up the x-ray image which is just a mess and he looks at it and i watch him go nah and just gives it back to me doesn't even open it is just like i'm not even gonna deal with this right now but the other story is for people that know what a fill is or a card a bounce a bounce oh yeah is this is the story you're talking about yeah yeah like the big i love that bounce cards yeah and like the way they they when they explode open so like there was a story where like like well no like we were going through tsa and the guy's like can i can we check this bag and we're like can i can we check this bag and we're like of course you can check this bag and he unzips it and immediately this like four foot

wide thing just goes like like if you used to have one of those if you it wasn't like that it was like if you used to have one of those old car windshield yeah you could scrunch up like it just and the dude looked at us with just like a i it's too early those yeah he was so and those tsa things are always like it's a clear glass with a like space under so you can slide it so he's pretty much in this almost like plexiglass box and it goes down to pretty much a quarter of its size because it's a circle that spins and then turns into four small circles packed yeah and he just opens it up and it just goes and like fills the cube that he's in and then like you just see

him pull it down and just look so mad and then like proceeds to look through the thing and we're just like i'm so sorry you have to like hand it back to you like you should fold it it's like a snake in the can exactly it was exact also i just want to say we know we're the snake in the can. Exactly. It was exact. Also, I just want to say, we know we're the problem here. The good people at the TSA, they're doing their job. They don't want people like us. We've got no other choice. So we love you, TSA. Yeah, I appreciate y'all.

That was Trans-Siberian Orchestra. It was going to be that I've had a couple of less than 24-hour California flights, either for a shoot or a briefing. And I remember I flew out on the first flight out to SF and it was like six in the morning, which means everyone is like barely awake. And I remember, uh, that flight attendant being like,

Oh, uh, just like shook my hand or whatever. And then, uh, we shot all day. And then I was the last flight out of the same airport, and I walk onto the plane,

and it's the same plane and the same flight attendants. And they're like, oh, you're back. And I'm like, yeah, whoa, it's the same day still. This is crazy. Like, they must have had a whole day, and they can't be out. It was, it's a good time. We've had lots of. We're all hanging together.

I have possibly one final one one unless anyone else has something but like this yeah um we did a ps5 an xbox series x giveaway with dbrand one time where we had 12 of each when they just came out when they just like came out dbrand somehow acquired 12 of each 24 total and we were questions don't yeah never ask questions to dbrand about stuff like that and then our fedex guy comes in and our fedex guy is the nicest sweetest guy ever he's been our fedex guy forever i believe his name is al but he's just like always the first guy in the morning dropping stuff off you guys have a great day you too like awesome and he just so happens that he like kind of knows what we do um he shows up with this cart full of these huge boxes and i mean like a stack of them and he's like he comes up and he starts helping us unload them and he just goes man

those new ps5s are so hard to find. I'm really trying to get one for my son at nowhere. We could get one. And we realized he's unloading 12 PS fives into our studio. And he doesn't know their PS fives because they're not from Sony. They're from D brand. And I've cardboard boxes. I felt so bad about that. I almost want it to be like,

take one. Just don't tell us. Well, D brand can market as lost. Just leave one on your cart. But I hope you found your PS five. That was a few years ago, but I've always felt bad about that because our FedEx guy is awesome.

Put them all under the Christmas tree. Yeah. Gave them all away. And gave them away. Well, that was a fun time. I hope, I hope you guys enjoyed.

We have, we have many more stories. These are just the ones that we picked out that were fun, but if you enjoyed this bonus episode, maybe we'll do another story time bonus episode in the future. But yeah, until then, that's been a fun Tuesday.

Thanks for hanging out. Catch you guys later. See you Friday. See you Friday. Peace. Waveform was produced by Adam Molina and Ellisis rovin we are partnered with vox media podcast network and our intro outro music was created by vince hill that was the worst one i've done in a long time bingo let's go all right time to go listen to that pirate can i tell one quick final story i want to tell the the lady that said about the internet okay i have to tell this one final story i'm sorry i don't remember this okay was this not

in the video no it wasn't because we stopped recording literally directly before we started talking to her okay okay so there was this there's this episode there's a two episode series that we did uh it was i can in the secret history of the internet and it was oh no it was i can in the seven keys of the internet and the secret history of the Internet two-part series. For the ICANN and the Seven Keys of the Internet episode, we drove to Virginia to take place in a key signing key ceremony to engage in the signing of the security keys that maintain the Internet with ICANN. Very cool series of episodes. Go watch them. Anyway, we were, like, vlogging the whole time because we made a studio video about it um and so we were taking video we got to our hotel the night before middle

of nowhere virginia like absolute middle of nowhere and we walk in and we're like we're vlogging a little bit we're like oh there's only one person at the front desk because we got there at like 10 p.m and we're like all right we should probably just start vlogging stop vlogging so we get there and she goes what y'all here for and i jokingly say oh we're here to save the internet and she point blank is just like oh the internet my daughter uses that sometimes yeah she loves she loves that and i was like not even joking and i was like yeah yeah i think we're talking about the same thing tiktok is the internet right and i was like not even joking and i was like yeah yeah i think we're talking about the same thing tiktok is the internet right and i was like holy moly while she's typing on her computer about

our room number and everything local it's land baby yeah land anyway that was that was super funny i'm sure we have others oh and there's some other stuff from that trip like when we're driving up to the like security building there's just like more and more often there's these signs that just say like stop filming seriously if you have a camera you cannot film here like stop filming and we're filming the whole time we're like should we stop it so we did but it was uh yeah that was a fun trip dude no you forgot the the coolest part about that part where more and more stop filming, seriously stop filming. If you are filming, you're done, bro.

Then we get there and we do all the crazy spy stuff like retina scanners, fingerprint scanners, cages that have thermal sensors and will only open when two or more people are in there at the same time to prevent all sorts of stuff. Finally, we get through the last security measure

and we're in like the ceremony room and they're like, you can film now. And we're like, wait, now we can film? They're like, oh, no one's getting in here. Yeah, it was like, we don't wanna show how to get in here, but once you're in here, you're in a cage, bro. Wow. Film anything you want.

They were literally like, film anything you want. That's awesome.