Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Fitbit Air and Ferrari's Luce Fiasco

Episode Date: May 29, 2026

This was a big week for tech aficionados. Not only do Marques, Andrew, and David dig deep on the new Fitbit Air and the Google Health app but they also discuss the new Ferrari Luce EV which has the internet in flames. After that, they talk about Marques seeing a Cybercab, Motorola being sketchy, and David accidentally bringing a disco party to Pixel devices. Links: ⁠Joanna Stern on Waveform: https://youtu.be/pF7flwZJgLA?si=mZB6w-Vi7RKiqHpm MKBHD - Fitbit Air review: https://youtu.be/9GSDvO0LFFE?si=RImb9XY4E4vHaz2n DC Rainmaker - Fitbit Air Review: https://youtu.be/Sryp2OOn9Xk?si=Aii1Q4Fv5tO4Eeh1 DesFit - Fitbit Air Review: https://youtu.be/e_uSpR_4hmg?si=TAP3vANBYuju0sOh 9to5Google - Motorola Honey Hack: https://9to5google.com/2026/05/25/motorola-amazon-app-hijacking-behavior/ Autofocus - Ferrari Luce video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Reu1WS3BhM Cleo Abram - Jony Ive x Ferrari: https://youtu.be/K-o0r2zSgCE?si=658deFPLFo5xzOg2 @GazzettaFerrari on Twitter: https://x.com/GazzettaFerrari/status/2059278602399543309 @RaceJohnson on Twitter: https://x.com/RaceJohnson/status/2055815818357940325 This episode brought to you by: Framer: https://www.framer.com/wave Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/wave Follow us on socials: Marques: https://twitter.com/MKBHD Andrew: https://www.instagram.com/andrew_manganelli/ David: https://www.instagram.com/davidimel/ Adam: https://www.instagram.com/parmesanpapi17/ Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Waveform: Twitter: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and both regular bikes and e-bikes can participate. Bring your friends, family, or corporate team, and make an impact. Register today at bikeforbrainhealth.ca. Wait, wait, wait, wait, Adam, what was the results of last week's poll? You don't want to know. I don't know how to quantify all of this.

I have an idea. Ask Gemini, based on the comments, what it thinks we should do. The audience. Sorry, Google Gemini. I was like, you need to fix the chapters. No way. Guys, we do this every week. We fix, we add chapters every week.

Dude, I have told them to fix the chapters. Yeah, what is up? People of the Internet. Welcome back to another episode of the Wayform podcast. We're your host. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. I'm David.

And this episode, we've got two of the biggest stories, probably at least on your feed, but maybe of the past couple months, which are the Fitbit Air and the Ferrari Luce. Both very much way foreign topics. Plus, we got a bunch of other stuff. Motorola hijacking affiliate links, a professional soccer match shot on iPhone. For audio listeners, I did air quotes when I said that. And discomorphism is alive. You Spotify listeners already know what we're talking about there.

But first, if you didn't already see our bonus episode on Tuesday this week, we had a fun conversation with Joanna Stern, just, you know, two New Jersey tech reporters chopping it up. That's what I like to see. So if you haven't already seen that, definitely go check it out. If you have and you're not subscribed, what are you doing? Get subscribed. Make sure you're on board. Wouldn't have missed it if you were. Exactly. But first, did they even test this? I have a quick one. That's what I like to hear. Okay. Maybe this is only on Android Auto Google Maps, but how come? on Google Maps in your car, when you have a root set, it shows the speed limit, and when you don't have a root set,

it doesn't show the speed limit. You have a route set. Like, when you're just driving and don't have a destination, it does not show the speed limit of the road you're on, but if you do have a destination, it shows the speed limit on the UI.

I don't know. Why? I should always want to know what the speed limit is. Well, there's, interestingly, in Google Maps, Well, I guess first of all, it's more sure about knowing exactly which road you're on when you're navigating. Sometimes there are roads like overpasses and tunnels and stuff where it doesn't actually know which road you're on. But if you're navigating, it's pretty sure which road you're on.

I don't know if that's true. That feels like such a quick overlap that like it shouldn't make that much of a difference. As long as I'm moving, if I'm like stopped under an overpasses. Here's why. It is estimating how long it's going to take to get there based on the speed limit, right? So if you don't know where you're going, it has no idea how long it's going to take to. get there so it's like go as fast as you want but i have to assume logic officer i didn't have a destination plug into my google maps therefore

autobon yeah there's so many just like back roads where a speed limit sign doesn't show up forever on the background it doesn't matter it's true on the back roads you're flying off rocks not legal advice yeah well i just think that feels like such an i feel like it's a setting it's in the settings isn't it when it shows the speed limit i don't know if that's true or not maybe that's a ways thing There has to be a reason for like how it knows where you are has something to do with you being in movement maybe. It's following. It's literally showing me live updates on the road that I'm on. Like it's moving with me.

It knows the road I'm on. It's going to use the same information. I feel like there has to be a reason for this. Maybe it's just trending. Yeah, it's Google and they forgot. No, I know. I know. I have a good reason.

Maybe it's because when you're not navigating anywhere, they want to keep as little stuff on the screen as possible so to keep it clean. There's more space on the screen. when it's not navigating because it doesn't have to show me directions. When it doesn't have to show you directions, it wants it to be cleaner so you can look around and see the roads and maybe you want to navigate somewhere later. But if you're navigating somewhere, all you need to know is your navigation route.

Yeah, if it's cleaner, they have more room for the giant volume dial to be. To take up the speed limit that I can see. It's like 3% of the bottom right end corner of the screen. I think it could show me. It's got plenty of space for it. We're thinking there's zero reason. It's Google. That's the reason.

All right. It has. Zero reason. And we'll get to this later. I didn't want to make this the, did you even test this? Because it's going to be such a big part of the podcast. I want it to make it that did you even test this. We'll talk about the Fitbit error. We'll talk about the Fitbit error, which I like very much to be clear.

However, there are many bugs. And when I talked to Google, I got on a phone call with them. And they said, we just really don't want to make the did you even test this. That's hilarious. The segment has made it out into the world. So points to you guys for everyone. actually watching the show. But unfortunately, these bugs have not been fixed by now. You still have to test it. It is in the wild and people can buy it and therefore I'm going to have to talk about

the bugs. Send this to the maps team also. Yeah, true. Maybe they can face it. I just found a Reddit thread from two years ago asking the same question. Oh, nice. Did they want to answer? They forgot? No. They said this is why I use Ways. Beautiful. Nice. Okay. I actually found a I've heard of her from three years ago. Dude, I tweeted that six years ago. I guess we're starting with Fitbit Air. In that case, you guys already know we put the review out of the Fitbit Air. Marquez has got his orange one.

That's the Steph Curry Special Edition. Sure do. So does Adam. His came in yesterday, his retail unit. It is much nicer than the other options that you can buy. For some reason, the material is nicer. It is water resistant, whereas the other ones are not water resistant. Wait, are you saying the Steph Curry one is water resistant?

Correct. And the others are nice. not correct I think you found yes they get like it has a water resistant coating on it whereas the other ones even the ribbed ones the ribbed ones are water is okay but the what do they call this the performance performance band um yeah they're not water is they can get wet and they can soak huh yeah you said that yours felt like wet after working yeah it still definitely gets damp and holds moisture after a workout so I'm kind of I'd be surprised to see if that was even I mean look at this this yours has a bunch of rubber on the inside yeah

Yeah, this one doesn't have any. It's literally just the fabric. So that's going to be worse. Yeah. It's not necessarily water resistant. Probably just feels less wet. Well, on the website, it says that one's water resistant and this one, isn't it? It said it has a water resistant coating on the stuff.

On the stuff. Someone should test that. That's what it says. Well, okay, so we have a lot of thoughts because last week we had not yet passed the actual review embargo. We had only passed the unboxing embargo, which was very vague, to be clear. This has been a problem for many years where companies will have. multiple embargoes and people just sort of push the line of what it means for something to be a review.

Yep. Famously like Tom's Guide and Gadget and whatever would call things hands-on review when it was a hands-on video. It's a sort of get around the no reviews yet thing. Yeah, I could do an hour and a half on this. Yeah. Yeah. I won't to spare you.

But-TLDR, it's dumb. We can, yeah, you can check the feeds and you can see lots of not quite a review, but almost kind of of a review videos out there. Yeah. But the reviews are out now. Yeah, the actual review embargo was Tuesday at 9 a.m. Eastern time. So now we can actually talk about our full thoughts about the Fitbit Air. We can evaluate it.

We can evaluate it. Of which I have many, many, many thoughts. The first being, like, it is incredibly ironic to me that this is both a really, really good device and a really, really buggy device. And my overall take on this, which we'll sort of, we'll dive into, is that the premium features that you get with Google Health Premium actually make this product worse. Worse is an interesting take.

That's my take. Definitely an argument to be made that it is not necessary for most, not necessary for most people, but make it worse is a, I want to hear your take on that. I think it's worse. I saw other reviewers, maybe not say exactly like that, but basically hinted like, DC Rainmaker used his info and his wife,

and his wife used the free, he used the premium, and he kept pulling them up next to each other. and basically kept saying, like, he likes the feed of his wife's better because it doesn't have so much talky, talky. Yeah, I think a big part of this, and this is what I talked about in my review, is the target demographic. What it comes down to is who this is for.

And I think this specific Fitbit, the Fitbit Air, is targeted at Whoop users or a lot of people who use other screenless fitness trackers, right? And it's supposed to be the one that's cheaper, and it's one that's from Google and it's Fitbit, so you know what you get from Google. but it's specifically the cheaper version of what's already out there with the screenless fitness trackers. And I think a lot of those are probably overkill for most people as far as all the data and all the tracking and the extremely expensive subscription.

So this being cheaper and offering like 90% of that is slightly, slightly less advanced, but for almost the same person. Right. You're wearing an Apple Watch right now, so am I. Yeah. This, I would argue, is even more beginner. focused. Like you just kind of count steps, calories, and fill your rings, and that's it. It's not personalized. Your heart rate zones are the same for everyone, no matter your age. Like, there's not a lot of calibration to who you are as an athlete. It's just kind of like, yeah, get up every

hour. Like stand up. Yeah. Get some exercise minutes in. So there's a spectrum of who these products are for. Yeah. And this kind of, I think it fits in somewhere in the middle. Well, there's a strange reason for that because I feel like the Apple Watch, especially the Ultra pulls more information than like the Fitbit Air pulls, but the actual information that it it shows you on a day-to-day basis and tries to get you to interact with as much less. Because Apple has, Apple started with the Apple Watch being a gadget, and it slowly became a fitness device. Exactly.

They didn't, like, anticipate that to happen. But over time, they're like, oh, the Apple Watch is actually just like a fitness tracker, but it is also a watch. So the thing about the FitBit Air that's interesting is, like you said, it's people who aspire to be whoop people, because whoop people sort of indicates that you are like a hardcore or fitness person. But those people, it might be inaccessible for those people because the minimum subscription of a whoop is $200 a year.

And then it becomes a brick if you don't pay for it, which is actually insane. It's the worst part. So the thing about the Fitbit Air, if you use the base Google Health app, which is what they call it now, they transitioned Fitbit to Google Health. A lot of people are very angry about that because it was a buggy transition for a lot of people. I saw all these tweets this morning of people who lost all of their data. all of their Fitbit data, like, didn't make the transition. Or, like, runs just showing up as workouts and not runs.

Yeah. There's a bunch of random. The data just got really messed up. So in the base Google Health app, it just shows you all of your metrics, right? It collects things like your steps, your cardio load, your sleep, like all of that information. And then the base Google Health app, it just shows all that data front and center. If you have the premium version of the app, what the premium version does is, honestly, I feel like Google should pay you to use the premium version because they just stick Gemini in as many places as possible.

And not only do they stick it there as an option to use, they just generate summaries of every single thing that you do. So on the front page, like the main tab, there's always a giant block of text. Yeah. This reminds me of the new like Nest AI update where I wanted the AI update because it would in individual events make easier to search for things. But every time I go to my cameras, there's like four paragraphs that I have to scroll past. I don't want that. I don't need to read about this every time. Maybe let me pick to read it.

But this looks terrible with like nice, clean UI on top with a couple buttons and then just text. That was going to be my take too, is that I don't not like the AI coach. Like it's cool. It's fun to play with. It's like relatively useful. Maybe not in the grand scheme of things, but like just for me messing around, whatever. I'm sure. I wish it was a separate tab.

Like, why is it front and center? Or if it was truncated and you could expand it. If I opened up my app, I just want to see all of my, like, data. If you pay the $100 bucks, though, you want to see what you paid $100 for front, like, front center, right? No, I want to know it's there. I don't want to necessarily see it all the time. If it's the free version and you don't have it, sure, you're not going to notice that you don't have it. But if you pay the $100 a year, I want to see that, like, pretty early.

I think it's safe to say that, like, you, though, could be someone who wants to ask the AI coach questions, and then help that in some senses, like create a workout, blah, blah, but don't always want it. And you're like, quick, like, this feels like it should be a, the homepage should be like a quick glance at things. So, like, under this is workouts, right? You're stealing the words right out of my mouth. Goodness. I can't even. It should be glancable.

It should be glancable. This is not a glancable text. So I feel like... You can customize this, by the way. You can make this six things. This, this is this. But, like, underneath it usually then tracks shows your individual workouts that you can click into, right? The top 40% is glancable.

the bottom 40% is like all the coach information that it like I think that could be a or at least an option to be a separate tab like I would probably just want to see my workouts and quickly go into them but I could see some benefit of still contacting the coach and asking questions and having a chat log I use it all the time based on things I mean I wouldn't write in the main page yeah the main page feed of it yapping all the time yeah feels insane one of the biggest problems I have with the Gemini integration as the coach though is that it feels like the coach, like the Gemini coach doesn't, it has access to the data that it collects, but it doesn't always look at it. So, for example, at like 5 p.m., it was like,

are you still going to hit your 10 a.m. workout, of which I had already done. You know, it didn't have that information. It asked me if I was going to go on a long walk when I'd already gone on a long walk. It, like, randomly set a random number of calories that I'd eaten that was not the amount of calories that I'd ingested into the app. Yeah. And they're all these metrics that you can look at in the app and you can see the data is right there, but Gemini doesn't seem to pull that data all the time. It does it like randomly and sometimes, but it doesn't do it like correctly every time. And then sometimes it just hallucinates information. Does fit had an instance where it has the information on what his bedtime was. And then 20 minutes

after his bedtime was sending him tips on how to get better sleep that night for a better recovery. It's like, I'm asleep already. This is past the bedtime that's listed inside. of the app that you're pulling from yeah and then i don't know it just so multiple times throughout the day the jemini coach will give you little summaries of things that you've done notifies you yeah yeah but it is so it happens so much like i went on a 19 minute walk to the coffee shop and it was like that 19 minute walk was so great david i didn't set a walk or anything it just automatically created a summary and it was like you slowed down around minute 10 did you hit a red light and i'm like i went i walked to the cafe i didn't

do not see why I need a summary of this or why you need me to explain myself. You know, it's just, it's very strange. I think there's a middle ground. Like all these features with the, with the coach are very like beginner focused, I think, where a lot of people see all this data, but they don't know how to interpret it. A lot of people look at the Apple Health app, which is full of data, tons and tons of information that's being gathered by your Apple Watch. Yeah. And then don't really know what to do with that information or how to contextualize it or even know if that number is high or low or if it's trending up or down and what should I do with this. So the idea of the coach or the AI coach or the summaries and all this stuff is to give you

some actionable something based on the information that is collecting. It's not very good yet. AI still hallucinates. We still want it to be way better. But that's the idea behind it. And I think for us, it's probably not targeted towards us. If we've used garments, we've used Apple Watches, we know what we're doing with a lot of this stuff.

But for the very beginner who's just like, I don't know, I've been closing my rings for a while, but should I be doing more steps per day? Should I be drinking more water? That's ideally what this is for. I think a good middle ground to that, though, that would help my just glancable aspect of this is, you know, if that front page shows the metrics up top, then has the bottom part that would show workouts.

If then it just had a button that's just like, that would trigger what you want from the coach. So, like, maybe at the top it says, like, how's my day going so far? Or, like, what should I prioritize tonight? How is my last workout? That way, because it's just taking up so much room to assume that every time you look at it, or three or four times a day, it's going to give you another wall of text. Yeah.

That's, I think, my issue is like, I just don't need to see that text all the time. Give me a little button to press and like, that's when pop up AI coach. To Google's credit, when I was talking to them on the phone, they were, I told them like, why do I need, you know, a summary when I went on a 19-minute walk? And they said they don't want to tell people what exercise is. You know, because to some people, to some people, two hour walk is nothing. To some people, a 20 minute walk is something. So they don't want to necessarily be like, you didn't do exercise versus you did do exercise. And that's fair.

And honestly, I think that Fitbits traditionally have sort of been geared towards, like, beginners who, like, want to get into fitness. But it's funny because, like, I feel like this is targeted towards the people who want whoops, but don't want to pay the money for a whoop. So I feel like it should be more, a little more geared. When I was first writing my review, I was like, this is like for people who are thinking about getting a whoop or who do have a whoop, but they really don't need one. Yeah. And this is, this is way better for them and way less expensive for all the 75% of the things that they were using their whoop for.

Now they're using 100% of the Fitbit and it's still fine. Yeah. I agree. I think there are a lot of whoop users who are tired of paying all the time and kind of know what all. You're going to get the same stats pretty much, but now you can pay once and not to do it. The Whoop subreddit is a lot of people looking. at the FitBair right now. Oh, interesting.

Yeah. Some other crazy bugs that I had when this is still occurring on my app, so waiting to be fixed. By the way, Google put out a roadmap of bug fixes yesterday on the day of launch. That's a lot of bugs. They probably should have fixed them before the launch or like, you know, made the app work before they announced a launch date. Probably. But there's a lot of bugs.

There's a lot of bugs on there. Anyway, this is what my workout. That's still insane. Yeah. It's insane. They still look like this. For audio listeners, it's like... What workout is that?

Literally just starting a strength workout. Strength workout. Any sort of workout that I do. It gets worse as I look at it, and there's only four elements on the whole. So there's a gray rectangle in the center that only has three data points. One is cardio load, and it's giant.

The other one is heart rate and energy burned, and they are not aligned at all. And then there's giant black boxes around it, and then the pause button is also sort of just randomly offence. To me, this is a... Did you even test this? Mine looks fine when I start a strength workout, but for some reason, heart rate does not have a unit,

and energy burn does have a unit. Well, because you don't have the... You've on it right now. No, it never does have a unit when I... Really? Oh, really? It never shows BPM. Oh, mine does, sometimes.

Sometimes it doesn't show any of this information until I finish the workout and then it gives me all the information. But it continuously has this problem, which is pretty insane. Yours says energy burned and the unit is like cut off by the UI of the pause button, which should be at the bottom. Wait, you don't have a timer on that at all. Your timer is being covered up. For some reason, the bottom of your app is just totally messed up.

I don't know why. Well, when I talked to them, they said they hadn't really tested it in dark mode. Well, there's the did you even test it. Which is the right. When they told me that, I was like, wow. Okay. Yeah. That's crazy.

That screen needs a heart rate zone. I'm confused about why there's so many bugs for things like that because this has basically been out since like, what, October or November into fifth. public beta. Like, I've had this UI for months. So how does it still not? I do not know. I don't know.

It is strange. It is strange. See, this is my, I'll take a screenshot for the pod listeners. The calories burned says calories and it's slightly higher than the heart rate, which should say B. So yours is offset too. So it's just a little bit offset. But I do have the time down there because the pause button is supposed to be at the bottom. Yours is like moved up over the clock, which is weird.

Yeah. Well, and it's two different like dark mode backgrounds on David. It's like a gray and a black black, which is super messed up. I don't mind this screen in general, if dark mode work. That obviously needs to be aligned properly. I would love the option to put a heart rate zone graph on this. I feel like so many people appreciate that in terms of live metrics. There's not as much customization.

I think a lot of these should have more customized layouts for while you're working out. This feels like a layout that is meant for customization. This is just giving you so many. options because of how blank and simple it is. Other ways where Gemini just doesn't seem to be connected to your actual data that you're collecting, on the first day that I used this, I woke up and it sort of prompts you when you wake up. It tells you how you slept and it says, are you planning anything for today?

And I said, I'm going to go on a pretty long walk this morning. It said, that's cool. Let me know how long the walk is when you get back, which first of all, shouldn't it just be tracking that? Kind of strange. So I was like, okay, I will. And I got back for my walk. And I said, that was 127 minutes.

And it immediately is like, hmm, interesting. I see a 127 minute walk that I've already logged. Do you want me to delete it? It did that for me too. So it feels like Gemini, the LLM, is like not really talking correctly to the datasets. That is interesting. Yeah, a lot of my Gemini stuff is telling me it's based on the conversations that I've had with it. So at set up, I was like, here's my seven-day week schedule.

I have like games on weekends, practice on Wednesdays. and it looks at the weather, it's like, hey, it's going to be hot today. You have practice later, hydrate, like that stuff makes sense. But it's not, you're right. Like, a lot of that's not coming from the workouts that I've already done. The actual data that it collects on, yeah. I feel like another example of it focusing way more on the AI part and not on the dataset. If you watch DC Rainmaker's review, at one point, he, like, does a workout and jokingly sends a picture of, like, chips and casso and a glass of wine and says, like, is this a good recovery?

like testing. He's like, is this a good recovery meal? And it was like, no, nah. And then like after every single workout, it's like,

oh, you'll do a great job for getting those calories back with the queso and rosé tonight and just keeps mentioning it over and, it like never forgets the thing. I want to coin this like AI fixation or something because Gemini does this for me all the time anyway.

And yesterday I ate a, I ate a chicken burrito for lunch. And I wanted to test the like food logging feature that it has because another one of the features with the, with the premium subscription that you can log food by taking pictures of it it knows what it is.

Famously never has worked ever with any product. It works okay with macro factor which is what I use for calorie tracking. I'm impressed because I've never gotten

to work on any of those work on any of those. It just doesn't have enough... It can't. It's never... It's closed. You can't see what's inside. I can't...

I cut it open. I cut it open. There's no... And it could tell the size of the burrito and how much chicken was in it. It's probably not accurate. It's not accurate.

It's a hard. The quality tracker is supposed to be as accurate. One thing, though, that I think it would work with, and I want to test it out because I haven't seen it yet. I saw that people have been able to write down their exercises, their weights, their reps, on a piece of paper and take a picture of that. That does work. That makes sense. I don't know why you would do that when there's like a thousand apps that do it.

I guess some people do. Some people do. I don't like using apps. That's fair. I just never do it. That's fair. There are a lot of people who, yeah, have like, workout notebooks. and then just being able to log it with a picture

actually sounds like a great. So the point about my chicken burrito. Like I logged the chicken burrito with like the logging thing and then for the next like two days, it was just like that chicken burrito is really fueling your recovery. It was like two days later. I was like it really locks in. It's like it's trying to impress you with it remembering.

Yeah. I think that's what it is. Yeah, yeah. And then yesterday it ran at the end of the day. It was like, you did a great job. You had 117 grams of protein. and I had 157 logged. So I don't, it is just like, there's random information that just...

Like in the app said 157, but in the Gemini thing said 170? No, in the app it said 157. And then the Gemini prompt, yeah, told me 117. I will give it to Fitbit. They do a really good job of ingesting information from other apps. So Apple Health on the iPhone, if you use the iPhone, Apple Health ingest information from MacroFactor, which is my, like, calorie tracking app,

from FitBod, which is my like workout app. And then Google Apple Health feeds into Google Health. So it actually has all of my calorie stuff. It has all that stuff. And that's really nice because everything is just built in there. But then it will just randomly hallucinate information. So yeah, I don't know. I think the main problem I see with this is that it just feels like Gemini and the

dataset are not a cohesive, like integrated thing. They seem like they're separate things and it messes up a lot. All of that being said, I still really like this product. Yeah. It has really amazing battery life. Like, they say it's seven days, and I started using this eight days ago, and it's still alive at 19%. Yeah, I feel like I got the worst battery life of everybody I watched their reviews of. What was your life?

It was supposed to be seven days, and I think I got to the end of day six, and it was dead. Six hour workouts a day probably are. Well, I do like, I've been doing a lot of workouts, too. I got mine at roughly 5 p.m. 5.m. yesterday. and it is now at 70%. So it's... Did you charge it to full? No, I unboxed it.

It was at like 75%. Oh. That's important. That's very important. Right, Gemini, over there. Also, when you start a workout, there's just like a list and it's just kind of, it's not that built out. Are there no favorites? They should learn from whoop here.

You should be, as soon as you start doing workouts, it should put those favorites at the top. Yes. You start a workout and you're like, which type of workout is it? Well, it should have a small list of the most recent or most common workouts. The Apple Watch does that too. As soon as I go to make a workout, it's like, like, oh, here's the most recent ones you've done. Yeah.

That's like an easy definition. Or like just being able to customize it at least. Yeah. Yeah. A couple favorites in there. Yeah. That should be easy. One last bug I had that I was able to fix by logging out and logging back in is that

when I went to the friends and family section where you can like make friends and have leaderboards and stuff, it would just have a spinning dial and then it would go away and the whole screen would just turn black. A lot. It seems like there are quite a few of those where like heart rate variability or something would like have the graph but not the number and you'd have to log in and log back. in. It just seems like a lot of data points go missing in the middle of the app. Side note, I completely forgot that was a thing. I'm challenging you guys right now.

On the Fitbit. Yeah, well, I'm crushing David Kogan and Sherlin right now. 50,000 steps for a week. Cogan has a whole coffee shop to run. That's cheating. That's a lot of steps. I know. Pretty good. I have another bug that is probably more of a flex than a bug. But you get low hurry notifications for anything under 50. So I just get them all day. He's like, you're so relaxed. Like, low heart rate, low heart rate.

Hey, if you're, if you're dizzier later, it's probably because of this. I'm like, it's not. It's fine. This is how we find out, Marquez is actually always just napping in front of this computer and none of us can tell. It doesn't let me change what the low heart rate notification. Oh, really? Oh, it doesn't let you go. Oh, you can change it to 40.

Wait, hold on. Wait, wait, wait. So it should show that in the notification. Oh, yeah. The default is 50. The default's 50. And then it says, would you like to dismiss? And I'm like, yes.

And then it just tells me again. Okay. So 40 is the lowest. get notification. Okay. Found a new bug. I can't add you guys. Wait,

does your spin to, does it have a black screen? It just won't open up show phone contacts. Yeah, these are on my little heart rate notifications. Oh, there's a show phone contact.

40s. Oh. Yeah, there's, there's a lot of bugs. This is such a weird product because despite all the bugs, I still think it's a great value. I,

it's a great value. Yeah, this is the weirdest. I think this is proof that if you make a really good product and hopefully most of the bugs are software and you hope that they can fix them

is like, I still think this is great. I think I might get one. I think this blows whoop out of the water. Obviously, I'm a certified whoop hater, but my like take on this is if you want a screenless wearable, this is it for 99% of the people and the 1% of people who want to whoop, 99% of that 1% you don't need the whoop.

You're just telling yourself you need the whoop. The Fitbit is totally fine and it's $100 for the rest of your life. I don't see any reason. You don't really need the AI. I don't think you need the subscription either. And Google is like, so now Google has a thing where if you have AI Pro or AI Premium, it also comes with YouTube Premium Light for free and it comes with Google Health for free. Premium Light.

Yeah, it's a newer. It's a newer thing. Less sense. And I think we need to give Google credit that they made a product that is really, really good without the subscription. And the subscription maybe gives you some super niche things. but usually they're like, here's all the niche things and we're going to, there are one or two super critical things in there

that you're actually paying a ton of money for and we can make it super expensive because AI, but like, it's like 99% of the things you would want are in the included. I think most people should have this without the subscription. That is what I think WOOP should do moving forward. I think they should offer a bunch of stuff just by default for free.

And then if you really want their hardcore tracking, which a lot of people do if you're getting a WOOP, then that's what you pay for. Yeah, well, WOOP's too busy trying to give out a bunch of free memberships to ANS cards or whatever and IPO. Another big reason why I think the Fitbit is such a good deal is because it just exposes how bad of a deal the whoop is right now. Yes.

It also, it's half the thickness. Yeah. It's also smaller and thinner or, yeah. Just the comparisons on wrist is like, why would you ever wear the whoop that this looks so much nicer? I haven't worn it yet. I think I am going to get it.

I'm really excited for the third party ecosystem that makes like biceps and like chest straps. Yeah, that was another thing I mentioned. Because there's a ton of accessories for the others and the whoop especially, but it's just the wristbands for this right now. Yeah. But obviously being thinner and lighter and smaller, I feel like people are going to want to put this on the bicep or whatever, the chest strap, all the other accessories will be. Because the actual puck on this is very, very tiny.

Yeah. Yeah. So. That's great. One thing I've been thinking about is this isn't really a new product. Nope. This is just a Fitbit. Yeah.

I had this 10 years ago. Yeah. They just released a new band and everyone's losing their mind. No screen. No time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what happens when you're.

competitor is scamming people, essentially. Well, it's also funny that the original Fitbits didn't have screens, and then we slowly moved towards screens as wearables became more popular because then I was like, cool, smartwatches, smart watches, and now everyone's like, ah, notifications, notifications, I don't want those. This new concept of a screenless wearable. Yeah, everything is a flat circle, so. Can I give my couple wishes for 2.0? Sure. Because I think I am going to get one of these, but this is what I want. Air 2.0 or Google Health App 2.0? Fitbit Air 2.0 because some of these are hardware things.

Oh, no, maybe they could. Okay. I know I'm a broken record saying I want notifications. I think it's, it has the vibration motor already. Wait, for the air? You want notifications? Notifications for a screenless screen. Don't want.

I just want to, right? Okay, all of you guys need to just let me say this. Wait, okay. Sometimes I just want to know if I have a phone call without it buzzing in my pocket. So it should just, if it buzzes on my wrist, I have a phone call. That's so simple and so easy, and it can do it. I guess that's okay. It can do.

Or the little. notification thing just blinks. Then it's just like every once in a while I'm like, oh, that's blinking on, it has an LED light that can blink. That only blinks for pairing, right? And battery. And battery. But like, that should be able to blink and just see, like, cool, I have some text messages.

I can look at my phone later. Okay. Seems super simple. I've shown it. The app, live metric screen, needs heart rate zones. Yeah. It would be really sick if in the future it had like a couple LEDs on the side that were different colors and could just show live up rate zones on the side of the watch.

It's actually close to a deal breaker for me that the live hit workout does not show you what heart rate zone you're in. Yes. I think so many people, especially now, target heart rate zones during workouts. Yeah. Especially cardio workouts. Yeah. Wait, even on the phone?

The phone doesn't show the graph. It does show a heart rate, but it shows your heart rate. It doesn't show the heart rate. And then this is so niche, but I use my watch so often to find my phone when I misplaced. So if there is some sort of. gesture that could make my phone ring. Oh, yeah. That would be awesome.

That didn't go off by accident all the time. That would be the biggest issue and probably why that will never happen. Yeah. But I'm off. Yeah. While we're wishing, give me, give me Google Pay. Google Pay. NFC.

No screen Google Pay. While we're adding things, how about a screen? I just want to know the time. I just want to look and see the time. Yeah. I've gone past the I'm fine with it, not having time. Okay. Cool.

No time. Random one last question. Do you think Apple, should make a screenless fitness tracker. Yes. Alongside the Apple Watch. Dude, if they made like a thin one, because FitBet used to make like a thin sort of like stylish one,

I think if Apple did that, would be game over. Initially, this is why I've been going so hard down this road was because I wanted Apple specifically to make one. Because I loved using the Apple Watch and Apple Health and everything, but I didn't like wearing an Apple Watch.

Yeah. So I wanted just another little band, like the Nike fuel band from back in a day. I think if you really want to cook whoop, like they have all the bones to make the ideal, like privacy focus, your data never leaves a device. You don't have to have a screen, but it's connected to your phone, obviously,

because it's an Apple fitness tracker, so probably will tell you when you have notifications. But it'll also be the sleek one, the cool one. It'll be lightweight. It'll have a ton of accessories because it's Apple and everyone makes a bunch of accessories. They have the ability. Yeah.

And potentially revamping the Google Health app with this new Apple intelligence, obviously powered by Gemini, but potentially giving you some tips and, you know, stand hours, closing your rings, but maybe a little more personalization. They can do something like that.

Yeah. But Apple Watch is Apple Watch. Apple's always been big about the glancable style too. So if you can just like see that someone's wearing an Apple Fitness tracker. Little white knit band on everybody's wrist. Yeah. It's like, yeah. I think this Fitbit Air, one of the biggest things about it is we're already seeing Garmin potentially coming out with.

Like I think this is starting the like, guys, all of us make these sensors already. We can literally just make them with less money. Like they're all realizing like we can make a ton of money off of this and whoop. is probably not just scared of Fitbit, but they're scared of the fact that everyone else realizes that they could make these. There is still an opportunity, a market opportunity, and I've thought about making this,

of someone making a watch band for regular watches that just happens to have the tracking sensors on the bottom of the watch band. People have been, at least on my feed, trying to do this already. They've been slapping that on loops. I've been tagged like five times with pictures like that already.

But they look kind of bad, and also the sensors on the bottom when it's supposed to be on the top of your wrist, but if someone built it around the bottom of your wrist, you know, be better. I'm just not going to do a strength workout with an Omega Speedman. No, I know. I know, but like for the everyday tracking of like, you know, that kind of stuff, heart rate stuff.

One last thing. I have talked to a lot of regular non-techie people about this. The number one feature that made them actually excited to maybe possibly buy one of these is the fact that it can vibrate as an alarm. Yes, I do really. The alarm is nice. Because if you like, wrist alarm is awesome. If you, like, sleep in the same bed as another person and you don't want to wake them up with your alarm, just having that go off is like really nice.

Also, it has a feature where because it's tracking your sleep, it'll detect when you come out of a sleep cycle. Yeah. And within a 30-minute area of variability, it will wake you up when it's an optimal time to wake up. That's how I woke up this morning. That's how I woke up this morning. Yeah, which I think the A-Sleep does too. And I, when it wakes me up right as I'm coming out of sleep cycle, I'm like, yeah, but I can't levitating. I immediately rolled over and went back to sleep.

I was like, absolutely. You look at the time for like 20 minutes early, bro, what? I feel, you know, wrist alarms are awesome, except for you can be 10% awake and turn it off really. That was my problem. It's so easy to dismiss by just tapping it. And that's not snooze, that's dismissed. So it's gone.

Yeah. So you got to be careful with that. Well, a lot of regular people are very excited about that feature. So, yes. Anyway, yeah, I really, really can't wait until they make new bands for this and I can, you know, hide it and wear a normal one. For those of you who are wondering after my review, if I've continued using the Fitbit, you might have noticed that I am holding the Fitbit, but I'm still wearing the Whoop and the Apple Watch.

I am so torn about what I want to do about this. I don't know what I want to finish off, like, my fitness journey with. Whoop Underwear. They do make that wrong. I'm like deep into the, like, calibration stuff with the Whoop. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. They make Whoop underwear. They're like fitness tracking undies.

It's underwear that has a little, it has a little special pocket to, put the whoop puck in the hardware yeah yeah it's messed up i was going to say i think you should at least let whoops configuration figures i'm gonna yeah i'll finish the rest of the you know full calibration or whatever but i'm like do i want to get rid of my apple watch i really like being able to check the time on my wrist super simple and i really like getting notifications on my wrist and i don't know if i can get rid of those two things yeah but i also don't think i want to wear both of these so that's hard i think you're going to stick with the apple watch i think that's most likely.

I think honestly what's probably going to happen is I'll get to the end of the Woop calibration and then I'll look at the subscription apps for the Apple Watch that can do almost the same thing that like Woop is suing. So I know they're pretty close. People have been talking about that. They've been saying that that app that's getting sued by a WOOP for having like similar like looking metrics apparently makes the Apple Watch like basically a Woop. Yeah, they're pretty expensive.

Apparently the price has gone up. It's $100 a year for Bevel. Athletic is like $30 a year. that is such a primo like a price for an app. It's like $2 or $3 a month. Woop has started to

attempts to make their pricing better value. Like they added basically a FitBod type workout tracker inside of the Woop thing now. So we'll tell you what exercises to do in real time. Because I pay, I think it's like $80 a year for FitBod, so they need to add value.

Because if they don't keep adding value like that, then it's a horrible deal. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing I hope most comes from all this is whoop fixing, adjusting their hardware so that it's less of a thick band and adjusting their subscription pricing and maybe not being a brick if you unsubscribe. That's the number one. That would be nice. For me.

Forget the IPO. Just work on that. IPO is crazy. Cool. All right. Well, we have a lot more to talk about with the, I think we should do the Luce after the break because there's plenty to talk about with the electric Ferrari. But before we get to that, we should do some trivia.

Man, I had a sneeze coming so hard. and I just kept like, you know, when you just calm yourself down and it goes to the back of your head. I heard that it gets stuck there. Later in the show, we're going to talk about some Motorola news. They're back in it. So I wanted this first question to be about... They never left. They never...

The story is not their back? No, yeah, yeah. The story is, well, you know... Okay, sorry. No spoilers. However, first trivia question about Motorola. Because when we think of Motorola, we immediately think... of the late aughts, the early 2010s, we think of phones like the Motorola droid and

droid 2 and eventually droid 3. The razor. Yeah, razor. And the razor. Wow, I can't believe I left that out. However, you were three. Yes. However, there is one really noteworthy motorola phone from that era that does not get

brought enough. And the reason it is noteworthy is because it was the first phone that I could find that had both a multi-touch touchscreen and an IPC. 67 rating. This phone was from 2010, I want to say. What phone was it? Oh, the first Motorola phone with a multi-touch touchscreen and an IP 67 rating. I believe it's the first phone I could find anywhere with a multi-touch screen.

Let me rephrase that. It's the first smartphone that I could find anywhere with a multi-touch screen and an IP67 rating. I say that because I wouldn't be surprised if there was some like constructive auction workers palm pilot special edition. It's not the droid is what you're saying. It's not the droid. It is not the droid. Okay, I have an idea. 2010 is a hint. Yeah.

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Hi, I'm Maria Sharpova, host of the Pretty Tough podcast. Each episode, I sit down with high-achieving women to discuss the pursuit of excellence without apology. This week on the show, clinical psychologist and founder Dr. Becky Kennedy and I unpack what it really means to raise kids today. I think parenting is the most important job in the world and the one that has the most impact on your world and the world. It is nonstop. Check out pretty tough. New episodes on Wednesdays. You can watch it on YouTube or listen in your favorite podcast app. All right, welcome back. So unless you've been living under a rock for the past 36 hours, or I guess by the time this comes out four days, you have at some point opened your phone, logged on to some social media,

and seen a picture of a new electric Ferrari. It's called the luce. And boy, oh boy, has everyone been talking about this new car? It was unveiled. We get this like official design unveiling video from Ferrari. This is the international trip that I couldn't tell you guys about, that I'm now finally able to disclose, that I also went to Italy, drove this car before it was unveiled.

It was actually a finished prototype that I got to drive, which had a lot of, what's it called? Rapping. Camouflage all over it. That explains why you disappeared for a few days. We were like, where the hell is Marquez? I was overseas. And then I got to see the final design

and walk through that with the designers. Johnny Ive and Mark Newsom literally walked me around the car for 45 minutes and explained everything. And then they handed me a DJ Asma and they were like, go ahead. That's my favorite part of the whole thing. What? So that's something not a lot of people have talked about,

but the event behind this was, I mean, super, super, super weird and secretive. This is like the Apple of car companies, I guess, in that we had to sign an NDA, obviously. Part of the NDA was if you are responsible for the leak, you owe like hundreds of thousands of dollars of damage. Oh, really? Oh, my God. Yes. That's so much more intense.

They walk you in. When you get to this super distant track, like we flew into Milan and then it's like an hour and a half into some fields, like total middle of nowhere feeling. And as soon as you get there, they're like, take your phone out your pocket and they just start taping open. over all of the cameras on your phone. Kind of like what Samsung used to do. They would tape all of... I came in there with five phones expecting to shoot an autofocus video,

and they're like, tape, tape, tape, tape. No shooting on your phones. They're like, we have a camera crew. We have cameras. You use our cameras. And then we'll send you the footage when we're ready. It's so funny.

That's crazy. So all of this to me speaks. It's like yellow flag territory. It's a little bit insecure, but it's also like they clearly don't want anything to leak because they need to control the narrative around this design

because it is very different for them. Yeah. So extremely secretive. I feel like it feels more red flag because we've seen it, but I'm fine with the company taking some serious precautions into not leaking because everything just gets spoiled. This was like an actual reveal. It was. It was really like a true surprise. And boy, was it a surprise. So the car comes out. I drop the auto focus video, which I have all this information about the rest of the car, which almost doesn't matter because all anyone is talking about is the design, the interior and the exterior. This is a fully electric car designed by not a car designer.

It's designed by Love From, which, as I mentioned, Johnny Ive, Mark Newson, and a bunch of people that were brought from the original, like, Apple design team who worked on things like the iPhone and the original, like, Apple product that you guys are familiar with today. And so there's a lot of very never-before-seen features in the car, never before seen design elements of the car, and the internet has been talking nonstop about how ugly they think it is. Now, I can give you guys my take on the design, but I also have a take...

Can you describe the design for some people who might not have seen it first? Okay, yes. I can describe a design. So it is a five-seater, like mid-sized crossover-sized EV. And it is the size of like a Mazda MX5 or like a Polestar, three. You've probably, you know, B.I. Like, there's a bunch of crossovers

the same size. Crossover for a... But there is, uh, the front of it has this really big front spoiler and this really, uh, smooth glass that sort of cuts under the front spoiler and then this like shark gills type of look in the

front. Yeah. The headlights are under the hood. It's kind of, it's a unique front. The back has these, these big circular tail lights, which is maybe the only reference to Ferrari DNA, but then also looks like it's like being swallowed by a larger, like, rest of the car. Yeah.

A big glass canopy. You've seen the interior probably by now, but yeah, it's a, is a very, like, blob EV design that we've seen many times, and we'll get into my take on the design before, but it is not like a particularly exotic or pretty looking car. Yeah. So the internet sees that. They see the $640,000 starting price tag. and proceed to absolutely burn this car for the next four days on the internet.

What do you guys think? What do you think of the Ferrari luce? I think the blue makes me want to jump off a building. The red is by far the best color. Hold on. You just did what I did where I was like, wait, this angle looks pretty good. And then you click in it and it says, this render just shows how easy it could have been to make this look good.

And it's not the real. Never mind. It all looks bad. Yeah. It, um, no. I mean, I can jump kind of into my final thought because this car made by a cheaper company at $60,000, I think would look great. But like this car with the Ferrari DNA and this super secretive launch and like the teasers

of like Leclair and Hamilton looking at it and going to like ooh ah and making it seem like it's going to be this incredible Ferrari is rough. My other take is Johnny I've just made a bunch of interior things because that's what he's good at and then just said, chat GPT grabbed the exterior for me. I think that people were having chat GPT make the exterior and it looked better than this. Yeah. This is what happens when you like have a phone design that some designer worked for like five years on it. It's beautiful and it's like curved and perfect and you put an otterbox case on it. That's what it looks like. So I'm put an otterbox case on a Ferrari.

I've been comparing it to like the maki, whereas... Machi. I think the maki is a good car and I don't dislike the design, but I think when you call it the Mustang, for whatever reason they decide to, everyone comes at it expecting a Mustang. So this is that times 10. When the Ferrari people are spending seven times more than a Mustang, like this is just that exemplified. And that's why it's so much louder that everyone hates this. I think like if this is...

an $80,000, a $60,000 to $80,000 car with, like, decent range and everything, people would be like, this is kind of unique and cool and fun. It's unbelievably. Do you think that it's ugly on purpose because then when rich people have it? Because that's the way fashion is sometimes. Yeah. I think. Do you think there's anything to that?

All right. Here's what I really think, right? There are no, there are honestly really no good two-door electric cars, like sports cars. Like, as a sports car, there's a lot of sports cars out there. the whole idea of a sports car is to be engaged with it, obviously being lightweight and feeling it you're in control of the thing the whole time. Then you try to make an electric one, and your first task is to put the battery somewhere.

And in a tiny two-door car, there is simply not enough room to put a good enough size battery to make it like a reasonable car. And even if you did, they always have to put it at the bottom because it's so heavy, and that room between the axles is precious. You put a battery there, then you move the driver up, everything moves up.

It just becomes way too cramped. There's not enough room to make a good, battery with today's tech in a tiny two-door car. So they have to go bigger. Okay. So what did it? Because you know, Porsche Tycan's four doors. That's what I'm looking at right now. Every electric sports car you're thinking of is four doors. Yeah. It's a bigger car. The Taikam, the Vysock pack literally has no back seats. It's a four-door car. You open the back doors. There's no seats. They just needed room to put all of that stuff. They should have done that for this though. So they had to go bigger. So what do they do? They decide, all right, Ferrari, we already make a Perosangway. We're going to

something the same size roughly this mid-size crossover thing and we're going to put the battery in the bottom and design around that your choice is now do you want to make this an aggressive like exotic looking car the way other ferraris have been yes but not quite as much correct yeah or do you want to fully do you want to fully embrace the fact that this is already so different from every other Ferrari it's electric it's silent it is something super super new do you want to continue to embrace the brand new and do something brand new with the design. No. And that was the choice that they made. Correct. Now, I think we all know that if Ferrari had made this look like every other older Ferrari, it would have gone way better than this. We all know that those cars look great.

We all know that that. And everyone at Ferrari knows that. Everyone at Ferrari knows that everyone loves those older designs. It would have been much lower risk to do one of those older designs. Even the Perosangway, you know, not everybody from Ferrari loves that, but it's at least kind of still sort of a Ferrari-looking car. Yeah.

What they end up doing instead is they work with Love From and Johnny Ives' team who everyone kind of knows came from Apple and did some legendary products there. And we've ended up with this sort of more arrow-focused thing which has almost no reference

to any other older Ferrari, which I think is intentional. I think they're going, this is new, make it look like an exotic electric car, not an exotic gas car. and I, you know, the more I look at this car, I'm not going to say it looks good. It looks really different.

And a lot of angles look really bad, but a lot of angles also look, it's not the worst-looking car I've ever seen. I don't hate it. It's not a terrible-looking car. And so what I keep coming back to is almost everything wrong about this car comes from the fact that one is a Ferrari,

and two, it is $600,000. Yes, exactly. If this was, hear me out, a $180,000, lucid, we would all be totally fine with it. I don't know if that's true. Because lucids are not pretty.

Like a lot of these other EVs. What are you talking about? All right, Polestar. All right, a B-Y-D. Like, think of any random other blob. The Mercedes E-QS. There are some ugly whale-looking EVs out there. And nobody says anything about those.

And so if this is one of those, it's fine. I think the maki is a fair comparison to this, right? So the Machi, I think, is the exemplified mock. Exactly the Ferrari part is what you're talking about. Yeah. Which is like when you have a, Ferrari badge on something, there is the expectation of it to be a Ferrari, and it's stronger than ever with that brand, because there's a long history of all the racing and the motorsport

and all of the Ferrari designs that people love, the posters on the wall from the 90s of 2000s. And so everyone is expecting, oh, okay, it's Ferrari, they're going to do something really, really great that maybe we've never seen before. And then it's this blob, and we're like, oh, that's not what I thought. Yeah. And then the $600,000 is the same thing. Oh, it's going to be a half a million dollar car.

Oh, therefore it must be at like some highest level amazing best possible design. So when this doesn't meet that, it falls way, way, way, way, way short. Like I said, if this was $150,000 not Ferrari, this doesn't fall nearly a short on design or specs or anything else. And all we're talking about is how there's another kind of a blob looking EV out there. Looks like a shark. Yeah, looks like a fish. Can I argue back on your, if it needs a battery, it has to be arrow, it has to look like this, blah, blah, what? Oh, yes.

I just don't think it does. I just don't think anyone's buying a Ferrari to be practical. And I think it's totally fine if this was like a sick Ferrari that at 100 miles of range that could get you from your house to the restaurant and you want to see everyone, you want everyone to see you show up at or like do the couple track. So I actually agree. And I think I think Ferrari probably also went down this route too where they're like,

what if we don't go fully, fully, fully different? What if we go halfway there? It's already electric. That's crazy enough. let's play it safe with everything else. Okay, it's really aggressive in Arrow, and so the range is going to be garbage, but who cares? It's a Ferrari.

You're not driving this every day. Since when did anyone care about the efficiency of a sports car? Like, that's totally a reasonable way to think about this. And I think they ended up going away from that, probably because they just chose, they were like trying to pick one of their battles. They're like, do we make this car that every Ferrari person is going to hate

because it's an electric version that sort of bastardizes the Ferrari design? Or do we just do something totally different so that the electric stuff is grouped in with this new design and it's just so different. It doesn't even resemble a Ferrari in the slightest. It's a totally new thing. And they're also thinking about buyers. And Ferrari people who are buying all the other gas Ferraris and who care about the V12 and the V10 and those other power trains. Yeah.

Are for the first time completely not in the target demographic of a new Ferrari. This is supposed to be for a new, potentially younger, potentially more international buyer who wasn't going to buy any of those other Ferraris. He buys ugly stuff because that's the point. I don't want to cut L.S. Who buys maybe more electric, is more interested in technology and maybe sees Johnny I've designed it and goes, oh, yeah, this speaks to me more than whatever Italian name you were going to put in front of me before. That is the slightly newer buyer. So I think Ferrari is thinking about all of this new, new, new, new, and is just leaning fully on new, new, new, different, nothing old at all. That's how he ended up here.

Mark, guys, I have an idea seed to plant your brain. Please. Because I, and me saying this out loud will guarantee I will never be invited to a single Ferrari thing for the rest of my life. I think I'm already banned too. I don't think this is entirely new. Because when I see the design of the car, it makes me think of a bunch of the late 60s and, in, entire all through the 70s lambo's. Like if you're familiar with like the Lambo Murrah and Lambo...

Those are so angular though. No, no, look up the Lamborghini Harama is what it's called the J. Harambe. Yeah. Or like the Lamborghini or like the 70s really smooth ones before you get to the angular Kuntash. To me, if you combine like the Murrah, the Haramah and the Rocco and then take like a Dodge Daytona EV and throw that in there.

it like becomes I'm pretty angular I would say I see what you're saying I just I this is so much more of like I described it in my short as like if a BYD

ate a Ferrari and and at first you laugh because like why would anyone spend $600,000 on a BID but they make the best electric cars in the world right now

they sell a lot of cars and if you're gonna compete in like who's gonna make the best electric car okay this is I drove it I can't talk about

me driving it yet, but I think it's pretty clear they're targeting this being one of the best driving electric cars. It's not the best straight line speed, because it's not the lightest. You have plaid, you have lucid air sapphire, but I mean, they took me to a tractor drive it. So that should say something about how they aim for positioning of this car. It's still a driving experience. It's still a Ferrari drive. So it is like the sportiest, most luxurious version of the BYD. Can I, you might not know the answer to this question, and I might be kind of wrong, but in general, to buy a Ferrari, you have to have owned Ferraris already, right? No, so that's, that is definitely a common thing that people talk about online. It's to buy certain more premium Ferraris, yes.

Because when the whole argument is like, no one who owns Ferraris is going to want this, if they're the only ones who can buy it, it feels like it feels like, it feels like to me, though, as someone who's like, if you like all the things that Ferrari makes right now, you. you probably don't like this. Yep. But also, like, if you're the kind of person who's really looking forward to buy a Ferrari because you want to have, like, the Ferrari clout that's involved with it, this also is not that. So I'm very confused that who is the person that's buying this? Yeah.

It's not cheap. It's not cheap. I think it makes so much more sense to just buy a really sick, nice sports car, like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, and then also buy, like, a lucid. Yeah. If you want any of these. A three bedroom house and see that.

I do think they somewhere along the line ended up at this being the most dalyable, most practical, most comfortable Ferrari. And no one was asking for that. Yeah, no one.

But that is technically what this is. And so there it is. I wish I had a jet ski that could fit six people. Yeah, that's like, that's how it feels. It's a little crazy.

But you know what's funny? I talked about this again in the short. Let's say this happens with Porsche, right? everyone who loves motorsport and loves Porsches loves the GT4s and the GT3s and the 9-11s, right? We all care about the sports cars. But as Porsche was approaching literal bankruptcy, they're like, well, we got to try the other thing.

And now there's the McCann and the Cayenne and these like crossovers that do way more volume in the sports cars. And that, for a long time, has been making enough money for them to develop the sports cars too. and Porsche people kind of just went I guess that's necessary I'm not gonna buy one but I get why people do buy that the soccer mom the you know suburban housewife

like has to get one of these all right great that makes us more money now we can keep doing the sports car thing same thing with Lamborghini these aren't any of those things though the same thing with Lamborghini no I'm saying the form factor

I do think the price kind of fails this analogy but the Lamborghini is the same thing like the Euris came out and it is 200 $150,000, but it is the one with four or five seats or whatever, and you could sell that and still develop the more hardcore, less practical Lamborghinis. This could fit that analogy if it was also cheaper and was more attainable.

I kind of wonder, like, how many do they expect to actually sell? The Porosangue doesn't sell that well. This is more expensive than that. Yeah. So if this was cheaper, I could see it fitting into that analogy of like, hey, it's a practical one. Like, you might see this in your neighborhood or something. Is there anything crazy about the technology? A lot of the Ferrari engineering is in the Under the Hood design.

Every single wheel has independent steering, independent suspension adjustment, and independent torque vectoring and power. So there's three motors per wheel, which is crazy. It's a thousand horsepower. It does, like, this crazy active suspension. It does a whole lot of, I mean, you're driving it. It's actively keeping it flat the torque vectoring. A lot of stuff.

You got to drive it. Yeah. And you'll see a little bit of it. lot of, I mean, I'll talk about it in the video. I can't evaluate it. I'm trying to describe it. Trying to be, you know, culture with the embargo. Three times. But, yes, it does drive, yeah, like a Ferrari. It's supposed to. Okay. So, yeah. There's a thing, too, with, like, high-end watches. It's very similar, where, like, a watch will come out that's 300 grand. And it's like, okay, who the hell is going to buy that? But as a

watch person that doesn't play in that tax bracket, it is good to know that these things still exist. Like, as a person who's enthusiastic about the mechanics and the stuff like that. And that's the vibe I'm getting with this. There's a lot in the car that I'm just glad that it exists in an electric car. And I want to see it trickle down to something else. I wonder for my analogy with watches. And I just kind of used Rolex as my example because I don't know anything about watches. But like if Rolex made an Apple Watch competitor.

A smart watch, yeah. How would that land with Rolex people? Was square. That is such a great example. Like if they made just a watch with a battery. and a screen, and they had some cool technology in it that maybe it was different

that you don't see in an Apple Watch, but it was also $200,000. Like, it doesn't look like a fish. And it would look like a fish compared to every other Rolex. Yeah. Even if it's not the ugliest smart watch of all time.

It's ugly for a Rolex. Right. That feels like the same thing. Exactly. That's what this Ferrari-Lucci feels like in the world of Ferraris. But if you take that badge off and there's another,

fully agree with you. There's another conspiracy, but maybe not even conspiracy, is... DeBadget it? Think about Apple for a second. Think about Apple for a second. Thinking about it. Oh, yeah. When they came out with the Vision Pro, what did they say?

That took them a decade to make. Yeah. To, like, do all the engineering and the behind the scenes and the design and everything from the ground up for this VR headset, $3,500, a decade of secret of work, right? Yeah. Everyone kind of knows open secret at this point that Apple was developing a car for a long time, and then eventually canned it. And then Love From comes along and partners with Ferrari sometime around 2020, 2019, 2020,

and makes this car from the ground up in six or seven years. I don't know if that's a normal timeline for developing a super expensive and complex electric car, but it would seem to me that at least some of the DNA from a previous car project from Johnny Ivan team probably had to be a lot of the foundation for this car. I can see that. And so if you take that Ferrari badge off and put an Apple logo on the front, it doesn't seem that crazy, right?

It still looks like a fish. It still looks like a fish. It still looks like a B-Y-D-Aided Ferrari with those lights on the back. But it does feel a little, because now there's no heritage, there's no Ferrari expectations. It's just like, oh, Apple made a car.

What does it look like? Oh, it looks kind of weird. Looks kind of like a magic mouse. But yeah, it's kind of weird, I guess, but whatever. That's probably a little bit more in line with the reaction that we would have seen. So I think there's a little Project Titan in this car. I will say that former Ferrari chairman, Montezamolo, said, I cannot say what I really think.

I would harm Ferrari. We risk the destruction of a legend. So sorry. Take the prancing horse off. At least the Chinese won't copy this car. I feel like he said what he thought. It was like the harshest. There was just a couple of slurs.

and there is something in terms of what you couldn't say. Yeah, some hand gestures. Not very many people are happy. And people are making very funny memes because in the introduction video they had of it, they had like these people who were like really well dressed were sort of walking around looking at it. And people were taking- Yeah, people were taking screenshots of them being like kind of looking terrified.

Just being like, what is this? I want the unfiltered thoughts of Charles Leclair and Lewis Hamillian. Dude, okay, I can finally say this now. Like when I went to shoot the. F1 stuff in Miami the week after I was in Italy, just hanging around a lot of Ferrari people. And all of them who'd found out that I'd driven the Luce were like, so, what do you think?

Like sort of nervously, like, they all know that it's a little bit crazy. And they're like, so what do you think? And I remember I kind of said a lot of the same stuff of them. I was like, yeah, the interior is nice, but it looks really different. And they're like, yeah, it does look very different. Like, they would all agree. So they all know, like, internally, they all know. I can neither confirm nor deny.

Yeah, I'm just so curious about, like, the structure of, like, how they, how do they decide to work with Love From and have what feels like zero input on the entire car design? Minus the, like, rear taillights. The taillights feel like something that Love From took and put there so that it's a Ferrari technically. But, like... Otherwise, it's an Apple. There is no other reference to any other Ferrari DNA, other. than the badge anywhere on this car. Yeah.

Nothing. You could have made this look like a MacBook Air and it would more look like a Ferrari than this. Yeah. Because the MacBook Air at least has the wedge shape of the traditional Ferraris. There are some really interesting quirks on the external design. The windshield wipers are on the outside of the windshield because there's no cowl to like protect them and there's like this smooth glass canopy down to the front nose of the car. So kind of like a cyber truck, but like one on each side, kind of insane.

It's kind of cool. Odd. The headlights are also all smooth, so, like, that glass continues down to the front and over the headlights. So they don't protrude at all. They're just, like, smooth with the body of the car. When you crack it, it's going to cost it $200,000.

Well, it's not one piece. It's just, like, smooth headlight glass and then continues smooth with the rest. Okay. So that's kind of interesting. The wheels, so they have this turbine-looking wheel that I shot in my video and that you see everywhere else.

I think it looks horrible, but it is what you see. on a lot of other electric cars is like dinner plate sized wheels because that's more arrow efficient. This is the arrow thing again. Like they look bad, but how many times have I talked about it terrible?

Why do they need to be aerodynamic? Because, yeah, just different. Just different. They don't have to. I don't think they have to. It's a Ferrari. I don't give two hoots about like what type of range. I'm not going to drive it every day.

If I didn't care about being air efficient, I would just want an 80s hatchback to be my EV. That's all I want. Yeah. So they have stuff. I still want that. Yes. I still want that.

Are we going to get one so you can drive around? One. Are we going to like that are. Of the two that exists. Of the review unit? Not after this episode. I would say that Ferrari probably doesn't love what anyone is saying about this car, but I just don't.

I feel like they're going to keep it. Why do they choose the colors they chose? I don't, look, if you look on their configurator, light blue and yellow. If you look on their configurator. Change the paint colors. It can kind of look a little less ridiculous.

I think that baby blue is pretty terrible. It's horrible. The blue, actually, the wheels are the most offensive part of the car to me. But if you get to that

five-spoke wheel design and like a darker color, it looks a little less offensive. On Matt Black? What? No way. This isn't black. This is blue.

You're looking at my screen. This is blue. This website for the configurator is really broken and bad. Yeah, the configurators also... I can't believe that they even let you

configure this on the internet. I feel like you'd have to go somewhere and do it. No, they also want to buy it. These all look like something from like a 2008 PlayStation 2 video game. Yeah, but this is how car configurators look. Oh my God, it looks so bad. I think it's a pretty cool car. There it is.

I do. I think it's cool in the front and I think it's cool in the back and I think it's cool in the inside and I don't mind the wheels. The interior is so dope. I feel like we haven't even talked about the interior. The interior is nice. But the interior is actually, and I want to make sure I'm not saying this wrong, it is the best interior of any electric car I've ever driven.

Yeah. It looks nice. Yeah. There was a point in Cleo's video, which was really good, where she, and I noticed it on your video, too, even though you didn't mention it, I don't think. But the bar on the tablet on the inside is not just like a handle to wiggle the screen around or whatever. You'd like naturally place your hand there almost like a palm rest when you're interacting with the screen.

Yeah. And I had never thought about that in any of these screens in any car. Like that little touch is so nice. It isn't a couple cars that I've driven. It is perfect on this screen because it moves. But in my car, in the 9-11, it's the same thing. Like, every time I touch the screen, I always rest my hand in the same exact spot and then touch the screen so I don't have to like think too hard.

And this is probably because it moves, they decided to put the handle on it. Very clever. My issue with that screen that can rotate, it's like a ballhead, right? Like it can go up down. Yeah. It will never be level. the first time you move it. You move it once

and it will never be level again for the rest of it. You gotta just pull it towards yourself and just just... I think I would have to carry a level in the car with me. It's never gonna be level. It's just like fix it again.

It would drive me and say, the key? It's so cool. It's so cool. So cool. It's so cool. It's so cool. That's the cool,

fun little things that I'm here for. For anyone who hasn't seen the key, the key is this little rectangle, this magnetic light up rectangle with the Ferrari prancing horse on it.

Giant Ferrari logo. It's yellow. It's glowing yellow, and then you put it in this designated spot in the center console. It magnetizes to align with that center spot, and then you slowly push it into the center console until it's flush. You've to do this every time. I mean, this is like getting in – they decided like instead of getting in a car, turning a key, and then the engine comes to life, you need like a come-to-life moment for this car. So you push it into the center console. That yellow light then transfers to the drive select.

It's really cool. And then you move that to drive, and then you're going. That's like Indiana Jones Like finding an artifact and putting it in a wall Yeah That's the kind of stuff that I mean I can't wait for these little touches To trickle down into all of our cars

True Yeah, super would break the shit out of it I want to see that in the next Ravre 4 baby Yeah so there's some There's some great interior details with this car And I love that key because the logo is so big That you're like You're out with your friends

And the keys on the table and they're like Damn you have a Ferrari Oh that's it for a car Check it out and then they see they're like, jump, just, never mind, I'm good.

Dude, all the Ferrari keys are those the same rectangle. Really? They're just huge with the log on it. And they always have like a little rectangle in the center console

to put the key in, but this one is like, you know, the magnet and the light and all that. That's pretty sweet. Yeah. We're going to see one

on the street someday and we're all going to go, oh boy. I was thinking that the first time I see this on the street, I'm 100% stopping. Like, it is one of those.

Do you think you're going to see it on the street? I don't think I'm ever going to see this on a seat. You'll see it at meat packing. Not as much as, yeah. You'll see like once in a while. Like you'll see a random Lamborghini sometimes. That's a neighborhood in New York.

I feel like if you don't know Manhattan, you just hear to see like, no, we'll see it at meatpacking. That doesn't make any sense at all. There's meatpacking districts in other cities too. Name one. Copenhagen. Oh,

he's meatpacking district. Got them. All right. Last question for you guys. Last question on this design and try to think like far out future. Okay. But how do we think this will age?

Because a lot of cars, have an initial reception, that's one thing. And then six months later, a year later, five years later, it's something different. I don't know about six months, but I think in 20 years, it'll be nice. I think part of the reason why people don't like this car now currently is because it looks very much like all of the other EVs that are coming out now. Blops. And I think Ferrari, when I picture Ferrari, it's the designs of the 80s and the 90s.

Like, it is these... Pinferino. Yeah. Like, it is a beautiful, angular beast. Aggressive. Aggressive. And this is not that. Right.

So I think right now we're looking back on everything with such like, it's your, to your point, Marquez, like, about the reminiscing on the past is like destroying everything. Yeah. I think in 30 years when we're reminiscing about this era of cars and designs and stuff like that, then maybe I'll look back on this fondly. But right now it looks like a whale. I disagree. And do you want to know why?

Why? Do you remember the glossy? computer monitors with giant bezzles from the 2010s. Yes. The Apple Cinema displays. Those did not age well. Correct. And this car reminds me of those monitors.

Really? Disagree. Yeah, what? Yeah, I think those aged like fine wine. I did. They do. They look nice in a room. Sure, they might not be like an optimal computer.

They look nice in a room. They look nice in a room. This looks nice. If you put a monitor display in that thing, absolutely. That's sick. Is it a room? I will say something that... No, wait, whoa, whoa, that's not an Apple Cinema display.

No, I didn't say Apple Cinema display. Oh, it's a cinema display. I just said the, like, glossy black computer monitors. No, no, no, that's different. The Apple Cinema display has aged like fine wine. Yeah, it doesn't remind me an Apple Cinema display. So you know, it's funny that ages like fine wine. The...

A lot of people say this about Bugatti. They've made cars for a long time. And something they specifically do is avoid putting large displays in the cars. And philosophically, it's because that's not going to look new anymore. in five years or 10 years or 50 years when these people still have these cars. Like putting an iPad in your house. Yeah.

Build it into the wall. Yeah. And so now once you see that, you can't unsee the difference between a lot of these cars, keeping it very analog or just going, you know what, here's a 75-inch screen. Like, this is just an escalade screen in your car.

Yeah. This luce is curiously kind of right in the middle. Like it blends the displays. It's hard. It's really hard to get on video. But it blends the displays and the physical materials really well. And I wonder how that's going to age.

The interior looks amazing. Yeah, I think that'll all age fine. Did you see the tweet that just said, everyone thought the cyber truck looked ugly when it was released, and all their positive, like, everyone still makes the exact same thing. Well, you know what's funny? Which feels like what you're asking. The cyber truck is interesting because when the cyber truck first came out,

there was a brief, like, pop star moment where people were like, the first reaction wasn't, ew, a cyber truck. The first reaction was like, holy cow, what is that spaceship? Yeah, yeah. And then it was ugly. Yeah. And so this could have a, this could, hey, it could be the opposite. But this is a little weirder because I think it does look a little too much like a leaf or a Prius in a sense.

Yeah, it looks really. So like. For sure. And it being a Ferrari is. Yeah. It was cool when the Prius looked like a Lamborghini. It's not cool when the Ferrari looks like a Prius. That's exactly.

Yes. That's a perfect. Perfect explanation of why this will probably age poorly. That was perfect. Can I compare it to one more vehicle that has, quote, unquote existed in the past. Are you guys familiar with the 2013 Matt Damon film Elysium? Of course not. Yeah. Fair enough. There's the villain in that movie. A big part of that movie is going back and forth between Earth and like this sort of floating paradise in space. And the villain,

the villain spaceship is an officially branded Bugatti spaceship. And other than having the Bugatti logo, It looks, it has almost nothing to do with Bugatti. And I feel like this is an apt, apt metaphor. That's interesting. You know what that looks reminds me of? That spaceship from Lilo and Stitch. Yeah, it does. Yep, very bubbly.

Okay, question for you. Yeah. Did everyone want this to look like the Hyundai and Vision 74? I have a take about that. And this comes to, remember we put in the slack? Yeah. You were like, if they just, well, you put basically if they had just taken this old design. Yeah, but just made it electric.

1980s hatchbacks or 1980s like square cars. And what did you say? I would buy it. Everyone would buy it? I would buy it. I said all I want is this. I think my take on just make the old design electric is the same as the small phones. Everyone online agrees that they all like it.

Universally positive, the 13 mini, the 12 mini, the Zen phone. All these phones. Everyone who reviews them loves them. Hatchbacks are still functional, though. Everybody, well, I'm just saying, like, the small phones got universally positive praise online from reviews, from users, from everything. Yet still, they all went extinct because not enough people actually bought them. Okay.

But in the United States is the only place where we don't still make hatchbacks and, like, those kind of cars, because those are very popular in Europe. Ellis has brought in his iPhone 12 mini. He ran out the route to go grab it. Damn, what a small phone. Universally beloved, right? But it doesn't exist anymore. It had two generations, and then not enough people bought it, and Apple moved on to literally

the opposite, the plus. But like hatchback, since those kind of cars are still very popular in Europe, you know? And so they just need to electrify those. They just haven't electrified them yet. Well, I guess my take is not enough people would buy it in America. You think if they made a, like a small hatchback? Yeah, I think like those are like the smaller hatchbacks, which now if we're going back to a cheaper car, then we do care about ranging. Because the Ticcan Cross Turismo exists.

It's just not the old design. So it's like a 1980s Mercedes, which I know they can't make because of like safety regulations and stuff like that. I think you're talking more station wagon. Station wagon. Station wagon. Station wagon. Yes. But electric.

Yes. 100%. This does exist in Europe. That's what it. Yeah. There's the Audi Avant. I forget the AEC. maybe, and then there's the Volkswagen, the touring ID, and then there's a number.

But they still don't look, they still don't look like the old, their new design. Yeah, they still are more rounded and stuff. I just want the 1980s style. But it's such a common, what you're saying is a very common thread. Like when the new Volkswagen bus came out and it was like a revamped new design, everyone was like, but just make the old bus electric. But they didn't do it. Right. And I think it's because they know that everyone's saying that just says that, but then isn't going to do it.

That argument just falls flat because no one bought the new version either. In Europe, they wouldn't have bought the old version. In Europe, I saw a billion of them when I was in Europe last week. But also, the original bus had like one centimeter of metal between you and death. So I don't know if that's, you know, if they could really do the same thing. But like sentimentally, everyone loves the old designs. They all have a fine place in our heart. So everyone's like, bring that back, make it electric and I'd buy an electric car.

And then I don't know. They just say that. And then they don't. They wouldn't. If it was like, okay, if it wasn't like a bazillion dollars, you know, if it was starting around the same price as like other cars that start around, you know, 40 or something, I feel like it would be popular. But I might be wrong. Maybe. I guess we'll never know.

I guess we'll never know because it'll never happen. No one's making them. Can we just, what if I ask, I don't know, I'll ask Gemini to simulate a world where this is happening? Okay, speaking of EVs, you saw a cyber cab in Texas. I did. But it has the steering wheel. Depends on how we define cyber cab because I saw, if anyone's

been in Austin, Texas in the last couple weeks, you've probably seen this too. You'll see a random cyber cab driving around and then you'll pull up next to it and there's just a person driving it. And I don't know, I haven't looked into it, I don't follow this as closely. I'm sure people tell us in the comments like they're either testing it or like trying to validate some thing.

It's an optimist robot. It's not a person. That explains why he waved back like that. No, it was just like it looked pretty close. Like it had no side view mirrors. It had like it was the same type of car with the like weird wheel covers. But it was driven by a human and I assume that that happens with basically every EV before it has to get, you know, validated, certified, et cetera. And then it's good to go. I don't think that says anything about when this car is actually going to come out.

You know, because there are many things about that car that don't appear to be ready to go. it did look pretty bad. Like we were behind it briefly and you could see like the wheel cover just like flopping around next to the car. It was not pretty. But yeah, maybe, maybe soon. Someday.

Maybe. Yeah. I think my hair is safe if that's a drastic. Yeah, I'm not asking that. Two days ago, Tesla's chief designer said that the second generation Roadster will be built in Texas

and said that alpha prototypes are currently in testing. And I'm like, it's been... You've said a lot of things about the roadster. It's been. No, well, it's been nine years since they announced. 2017. Oh, yeah, yeah, nine years.

So why are you in the alpha stage when you took pre-orders? Because they haven't done anything. If you, actually, it's funny. If you listen to everything I said about the Rosedre for the past decade or so, it kind of implies that they haven't done anything since then. And there was an old, because I remember when I was still a believer in the Roadster, there was an old Franz Van Hollahausen interview, I think on the Ride of Lightning podcast where he went on,

it was probably five, six years after it was announced, and he was like, everything about the roadster is going to be better than what we showed you on stage. Remember that? Yeah. He was like everything about all the metrics, everything will be better.

Rockets. And I thought about that. And I was like, okay, you announced a 200-kilow-hour battery, a 600-mile range, a 1.9 second zero to 60, and an 8.5 second quarter mile. And somehow all of that is going to be better

when it comes out. How? What? I don't know if I believe any of this anymore. Yeah. And so, yeah, here we are. It's 2026. And we have new.

bait. This is like bait for people like me. They're just like, here's a new thing to talk about the Roadster. And it's an alpha prototype testing and they're going to build it in Texas. Sure. It also just doesn't make sense why they would build the Roadster now that they stopped making the Model S. That's actually the most important thing. They literally discontinued the two lowest volume cars because they want to focus on the higher volume stuff. And this car would be even lower volume. Yeah. Yeah, that's the hard part to believe.

That makes no sense. I just don't, yeah, it's, I don't know. I don't think it's ever going out. I'm Rooding for it. A.I. Needs more money in their bottom line. SpaceX, Twitter, AI. SpaceX, Twitter, AI. I mean, the Roster has essentially become like a stock boost button. Yeah.

When you need a boost, you just talk about the Roster. Just talk, just promise the Rodester again. Just hit the button. And then it'll be another year before anything happens. And then they'll promise it again. And that's the road. This time say it flies. Yeah.

I mean, they did say it flies. They literally said that many years ago. As much as I'm rooting for it and I'm very excited for it, have decided to stop thinking about it. Yeah, you should just put it out of your head. Yeah. Well, speaking of things that we'll stop thinking about directly after the podcast, the answers to these trivia questions.

I don't know about you, but I'm going to think about these for a long time. These trivia questions? Yeah. Forever. Mm-hmm. Do you guys want the Fitbit question or the Ferrari question? Fippet. Fibit.

Ferrari. Oh, I voted, Marquez. Sorry. Can I at least hear it later? Sure, sure. I'll pull you aside and I'll tell you it later. Great, great, great. All right, so here is the Fitbit question.

The first wrist-based Fitbit was called what? Fri-A question. I think we just got out of voted. Let's go. The first one, wow. First Fitbit. History. The first wrist-based Fitbit.

Wrist-based Fitbit kind of implies that there was an earlier Fitbit that was like underwear-based. No, like the pedometer one that David always brings up. The one you put in your shoe. Yeah. Yeah, when I worked at Intel, everyone used that one. They were doing step gold. challenges. It had a name, huh? Not doing any work. Nobody at Intel did any work. I swear to God. Do they do work now? Probably not. Dang. They're funny by the 10% owned by the government, so. They're too busy

swimming in that China Lake or whatever. China Lake. They're not the name of their flag. Oh, it's silver. Is it really not? Oh, you mean like, oh, the, yeah, okay. Meteor Lake, that kind of stuff. I don't think they had China Lake. Taby Lake? Is it a place near where you You grew up. That's where I got it mixed up. It is? Anyway, we'll think about this. Thank you so much, Marcus. We'll get to the answers at the end.

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I saw the headline. I did not read into it. It seems like it was found on the Motorola subreddit, and then Ben Shune did an article on it on 9 to 5 Google. But essentially, in a recent app update, people have noticed that if you go to Amazon the app inside your drawer, that it really quickly is flashing a web browser and then loading into the app.

And apparently it is running an affiliate link before it's opening the actual app. So every single, it is honey, but just on Motorola phones. I feel like that honey investigation came out and all the companies were like, oh. How's a great idea? We could have made a lot of money doing that.

So the Amazon app that's preloaded on Motorola phones is like bugged to always use some corporate Motorola affiliate code. Yeah, it's really bizarre because it looks so hacky. First of all, if it is on your homepage, it does not do it for some reason, which, I mean, I don't know a lot of people with the Amazon on their homepage, but anyways, if you go through the app drawer, they were testing it. And yeah, you would click it.

And for people like us, I think we would notice it because really quickly you'd see like the browser UI, like white flash screen. And then the Amazon app would come up. So you're inside the Amazon app. Yeah. The full-blown app. But you know, like, whenever you maybe click on a YouTube link right before it goes to the YouTube app, it like flashes like it's loading in browser, it kind of looks like that. except you're pulling it from your AppTor instead. So it was really strange.

I don't think a lot of people would notice it. And it wasn't happening previously. In fact, at 9 to 5 Google, they tested it on older apps, on older software updates. It's still not doing that. But then a more recent one, it has started doing it. Yeah, looking at the video. The funniest, yeah, if you watch the video and the link on there, it shows it. But the funny thing is, is, you know, we've seen a lot of really budget phones do some kind of,

shady ads or whatever to like make up for the fact that they're so cheap none of how google tested this on the nineteen hundred dollar razor fold and it's still doing it so this is just a full-blown motorola issue um and the way it it just seems so sketch it apparently brings you to some website that's based off of some like fashion influencer except that website itself doesn't actually when you go to that fashion influencer she doesn't link it anywhere so it looks at It looks like this almost like fake, like URL developed to create this, this redirect that's doing it. So it seems super hacky, almost like somebody at Motorola, like pushed this somehow. Well, think about this.

I hoped no one would notice. Every single blog on the planet eventually moved towards affiliate being like their primary source of revenue, right? So if you can run multiple companies just off of affiliate revenue, just off of like reviews and stuff, of course these companies are going to be, like, wait, we could just make an entire company's worth of revenue if we just do this. Imagine getting the affiliate link for every single time someone purchases something on Amazon on your phone. Every single time. I want to know what that number is based on this.

God, it's so high. This is so weird. Sorry. Sorry, Amazon should be suing Motorola. Something like that. Because they're not actually being an affiliate. They're not actually pushing people towards that purchase. Is that going to be their argument?

It's like, well, we preloaded the Amazon app. So you're welcome. So now here's how it's taking our side. I definitely paid a fee for that already. Yeah, that's what I usually think. This also doesn't feel like something Motorola, like, would want to do.

It's so, it's like not that obvious, but it's also so obvious that something is going on here. It seems like something they'd want to do. On the scale of a company, like Motorola, I don't know how much this is worth it.

It sounds to me like this is like a weird, I feel like, have we confirmed they're making money off of this? Or is it like a weird just, they don't know. it's confirmed that it's like an Amazon affiliate. Some random intern just like inject it. That's what I think is.

That would be insane. That would be crazy. Would not that if this is patched by the time the episode comes out because of how obvious and like stupid it is. But I am dying to know what the number is that that link is connected to because that's so many. Because that to me makes, well, it doesn't make sense. But the business logic for Motorola side, I would want to know how many times people are clicking that Amazon app so that I know how much to charge Amazon.

So I don't know if it's like a tracker thing or if it's like they're actually injecting an affiliate code to make money. It's also, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's a number though in that that probably would be too small for Motorola to risk the giant blowback of this

but is a big enough number to where like maybe you'd be okay getting fired after. They sell a lot of phones. Motorola sells a lot of phones. So if you make anytime anyone makes a purchase on Amazon, you make money from that, that adds up very quick.

It's true. They sell a lot of phones outside the U.S. Especially in like South America. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Interesting. This is, I hope we find out, I hope we find out it's just a tracker to like keep track of how many clicks and it's not actually literally hijacking affiliate links. But yeah. If you look at like the URL it goes to and stuff, it just all is so weird. I almost feel like it has to be some sort of rogue Motorola employee or something doing something.

I just hope it goes away immediately. just like this next thing we're about to talk about. Hey, hey, hey, hey. I'll let you say your mouth. Okay. Have you guys ever lived in 1980? No. Actually, 1970.

No, I have not. I might be the closest. Neither have I. But something happened in 1970 that was pretty cool, and it was called the disco. So, Spotify recently updated their app icon. It is a temporary app icon update to basically celebrate one of them.

their anniversaries. They updated the icon to be a disco ball because Spotify is already a circle. So they updated it to be a disco ball, which is cool. I think it was cute and fun and pretty. And the internet got very, very angry about it, which is ridiculous because do you guys hate fun? Do you guys just hate, I don't understand. Don't change my icon on my phone.

Yeah, give me the options. Give me the option. Oh, come on. Oh, come. It's a pretty big change. it is a disco ball. I'm waiting for it to change back. I'm kind of tired of.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Disco balls are like one of the most... They're one of the most universally loved. I don't know if it's on Android, is it? Disco balls. Yeah, disco balls. But disco ball icons?

I don't know. I mean, that's a disco ball. Well, anyway, yeah, Spotify changes the logo to be disco ball. The primary reason that people were mad was because it was too dark of an icon, I guess. And a lot of people were making the critique that if you just brightened it or made it more vibrant, it would look a lot better. You know, like a disco. ball? Well, disco balls are not, yeah, I guess they are kind of bright

by default. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. The point is, there was a Twitter user, Race Johnson, who made a tweet entitled it Discomorphism. And in the tweet, he took four different app icons, and he turned

them into Disco-Thame.com. So he did YouTube, Claude, Notion, and this one app that I don't know what it is. Maybe you guys know what that is. It's probably AI or something. And he made, I don't think, this is AI. I think he actually did this legit, for real, for real on God. And it looks pretty good. It looks very fun. And he did that. And then Samir Samat, the president of the Android ecosystem,

quote tweeted it and said, should we make this an icon pack? I responded to Samir and said, please Samir, do it for me. He said, we will weigh this heavily to me. And then four days later, he tweeted, Your wishes are command. Disco icons are now available on Pixel as of today. Are you sure you still want this, David and Race Johnson?

My God. I'm glad he asked for clarification because he's like, this is a terrible idea. Are you sure you still want this? Here's a screenshot. Do you feel bad? Do you really want this?

I still want this. So now if you have a pixel phone, you, I don't know if it's technically an icon pack or if it's like a theme. Someone was saying that it's like not the same as like a traditional icon pack. But all the Google icons and like various different app icons now have disco themed icons, which looks very cool, very fun. I will say a lot of these are a little rough around the edges and kind of seem AI generated.

They're definitely AI generated. Yeah, that's the beauty of Android is you're allowed to ruin your phone. Yeah, exactly. You can just ruin your home screen however you want. And we've had that conversation before, like when Apple introduced like in iOS 18 when they made it. so it was like insanely ugly because everything was like the same color and gross and weird.

Like you have the option to ruin your phone, but this definitely feels AI generated because if you look at the individual disco tiles, some of them sort of like morph into each other and kind of like it's like kind of sloppy. Gemini. Regardless, we got discomorphism. So this has now been coined.

It's a race Johnson coinage. And I was just happy to be part of it even though. Do you want this on your legacy though? Yeah. You do. Yeah, I think this would be a great part of my legacy. I didn't really do anything, to be clear.

It's all Race Johnson. It seems like you're part of this. I mean, I'm part of it. Sure. And Samir did it for me in particular. This could be the luce of your design portfolio. That's fine with me. I would rather be known as the guy who made the disco icons happen on Android

versus the guy that designed the luce. No, no, no, no, David. Yes, yes, yes, yes, Alice, yes. Absolutely. Am I wrong? That's fine, actually. Do you disagree? No, that's a good take.

actually. Thank you. I just don't think these icons look good at all. You don't think they look good, do you? How do I do? I was trying to put them off. Just making sure. I don't think they look good, but I still... But you should be allowed to do it.

Yeah. Yeah. Especially on Android. That's cool. Yeah. You should... You know, we live in America, okay? Yeah.

All right. That's that. We got the discomorphism. Next week is going to be a big week because it's the last week before dub-dub. So we'll probably have some predictions, stuff like that. We're going to be a big Apple week. next week. But until then, we got a bunch of trivia questions, not about Deb-dub.

So rule that trivia sound, my friends. I might need a marker. Wait, wait, wait, wait, Adam, what happened? What was the results of last week's poll? You don't want to know. I don't know how to quantify all of this. I have an idea. Ask Gemini, based on the comments, what it thinks we should do.

You think I didn't try that? Okay, what did it say? The studio assistant should have like a... Studio assistant? Okay, wait, let me try it right now live. All right, try it live. Just like, based on the comments of this video, how should we adjust the scoreboard?

So, uh, for those who were not listening last week or didn't finish the full episode or have not heard last week's episode, there were two questions last week. One of them had to do with Sony Xperia phones. I put Sony. Andrew put Xperia. There was a debate. I did not bring this argument back up. There was a debate.

It was fine. Whether or not I should get the point or if Andrew should get the point or if she both did the point. One of them. And then Marquez, uh, Miss Hurried. Well, he didn't miss here. Adam said the word wrong. And then I fully got that right.

But it didn't seem that wrong. Yeah. Yeah. But he got it wrong. And so people... I answered his question, right. Well, yeah. So that was...

That's fair. Which one of these is not an app? And then he said it incorrectly. Therefore, the thing he said out loud was not an app. Correctly identified. Adam basically told the audience... Sorry, Google John and I was like, you need to fix the chapters. Oh, no.

No. Guys, we do this every week. We fix, we add chapters every week. Can you tell Gemini to tell YouTube to fix the chapters? Dude, I've told YouTube to fix the chapters. Gemini is just trained on the most common things that people say, so I guess that makes sense. That was really funny. All right.

Well, while Adam determines this, I'm going to do the trivia. He's not a good idea, Adam? Do I have your blessing? All right, blessing received. Blessed. Question number one, y'all. Like the Pope with the Ferrari. Question number one, in the late, in the early 2010, so early it was literally 2010,

Motorola released a phone that had an IP67 rating all over the internet. People were leaving this phone in glasses of water and going, wow, still works. Wow, really? What phone is it? Sorry. What phone is it? I didn't reverb near as much as I thought it would. What phone is it?

There you go. This is so wrong. Yeah, I don't think I even have a guess. I'm just, yeah, I'm just reminiscing on old Motorola. Yeah, me too. I'm not. I just wrote, you just wrote Modo? I just wrote, well, I didn't make it that far.

We both, uh, I wrote Motorola Atrix. I wrote Motorola Atrix. I just wrote Modo. It would be really funny if that was right, though. The Atrix is the one that, like, I just said the company. I actually didn't think about that Sony only makes one line of phones right now

The Experia Motorola makes multiple phones Is the Modo G-ModeG style is The Razor? Guys, the correct answer Was the Motorola Defi I've never heard of that D-E-F-Y

Actually, I have heard of that Okay Gemini has an answer Okay, it's a good answer too Okay, and it is an answer Okay But first, I want to point out that last week, my question was,

which of the following is not a real Google project? I intended the answer to the angle. I was trying to be cute, play off of angular, which is a real thing. Multiple people in the comments also pointed out that angle is a real project. Of course it is. So, Marcus really is actually the only one correct. Yeah. It's also a real project, an open source project.

Either way, Gemini said, based on the audience feedback for Google I.O. colon, oops, all Gemini. The consensus is clear. Andrew deserves the point for the first trivia question. Marquez deserves a point for the second. So sorry, Dave. AI slop. AI slop.

A.I. Slop. Hallucinations. And plus one. At this point, I have to agree with Marquez getting the point because of the fact that we probably shouldn't have gotten a point for it. favorite comment was I think David should get the point just because I saw one that Andrew should get two and David should get one or just for the hell of it just for the hell of it just for the chaos all right next question whatever the first wrist-based Fitbit was called what I had something in my head did you know atrix put it on the board I don't remember what it is also was the

Motorola Atrix, the first one that had a fingerprint sensor on the back. Yeah. Damn, that was a good phone. And there was a, yeah, 4G. It had the dock, too. Wait, hold on. Yeah, the dock. I wanted to make that.

Oh, my God. I got that phone so bad. Sure. I had something in my head earlier, but I completely forgot. All right. Well, what did you got? Flip it and read. Oh, that's a good one.

I just guessed Fitbit one. Too logical. Too logical. I just wrote Fibbit, which is actually the typo. we made in the main channel video. It's one of those letters that's like four people watched that video and none of us caught it.

Yeah. I wrote Aria, but it's like all... It's just Fitbit, isn't it? It is the Fitbit Flex. That was the first... You don't flex your wrist? No, but it's because it was like that rubber...

It can't do flex. Is that considered flexing? Actually, it's like literally the only thing your wrist does pretty much. It's flex. Yeah, I guess you're right. Flex and wrote it. All right.

Good name is. Well, we learned something. That is good. I'm glad that I got a point from last week. That feels really good. Yeah, feel free to let us know now that you've made it this far into the video, would you think the luce isn't as bad if it wasn't a $600,000 Ferrari? What if it was a Nissan? What if it was... What if it was... It looks like a Nissan to me. What if it was literally a Nissan?

Then I would say that's a Nissan. Yeah. Would we even be talking about it? Probably not. No. Anyway, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Go back and watch the last bonus episode, but also stay tuned for more regularly scheduled programming.

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