Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Flip vs Fold: Why Not Both?

Episode Date: March 28, 2025

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David sit down to discuss everything from a new Huawei flip phone to the battle going on between the EU and Apple. They also talk about the new Fuji camera which David got to try out and a whole bunch of iPhone rumors. Plus, it's the last episode of the month so you know everyone had some strong opinions about what their Crown and Clown was! It was complete chaos (in a good way). Enjoy! Links: “I Built A Playstacean” by GingerOfOz David's GFX video Verge - Huawei Pura X Vivo Vision 9to5Mac - AirPods Max lossless audio MacRumors - iPhone 17 Pro 8K rumor EU vs Apple Android Authority - Android Screen unlock when off Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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finally got lostless audio. Oh boy. Updated my LinkedIn profile. My hot take is. What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast. We're your hosts, I'm Marques. I'm Andrew.

And I'm David. We're all back in the same room to talk about a variety of things. A true grab bag of chaotic things in tech that have happened in the last week. Everything from a mixed reality headset to a weird backwards foldable, to a massive AirPods Max update out of nowhere,

to dub dub dates, to maybe another folding phone coming soon. It's all here. And then of course we'll end with our crown, crown or clown. And clown. Crown and clown. Cause we're doing both. Right, right.

Which is, you know, perfect for the end of the month. Yes. Yeah. But first, can I start with a video shout out? Okay. Okay. We do this every once in a while, we do some content, but there's this video this week called I built a PlayStation, which for audio listeners and probably even video listeners right now, that probably sounds really confusing. It is spelled P L A Y S T A C E A N.

Crustacean. You're like crustacean. It is by someone named Ginger of Oz. And they built a PS1 that looks like a crab. That is the easiest way I can describe this, but it is incredible. You know how everything eventually... So there's a thing. We talked about this on a podcast long ago, on a podcast very far away. There is a theory in science where everything eventually turns into a crab and it's called car can ization The PlayStation has had its time speed runs directly to grab

Finally evolved into the crab. So this is a ps1 Onee not the first PlayStation, but they made like a more a smaller Adaptation of it later on. So it's a little more like curved. And I guess there was an art project someone made online. And this ginger of Oz guy decided to 3D render it and model it and print it. It's great. The video is really well done. It shows how he did all the things.

This has a working disk tray, working controller ports. The claws in the front of it have two working PS1 controllers with the sticks and RNL buttons on top of it. It's incredible and it totally works. And I really think you should go watch the video. We'll link it in the show notes. It's a work of art. Big, meaty claws.

Big, meaty claws. Very cool. It's also like the claws are attached, so if you use that as a controller you have to play within Six inches of the actual console holding hands with the crab holding hands with the crabs why it's like staring you in the face Do they actually work? Yeah, everything works. It's all like bendable like all of these arms rotate and everything. It's Really well done. That's epic You know, it's funny when I opened this doc and I saw that picture,

it did not register that it was a PlayStation. I was just like, someone has like a toy crab, that's cool. I was laughing because Marques was like, we have a chaotic episode and just on my screen is a crab PlayStation sitting in the document. One other video that came out, in case you haven't seen, was from a little creator we know as David Amell. Wow, little.

Little? Little? Got him. Nevermind, don't watch it. He's too small. Did I stutter? Yeah. Sorry, we don't punch down around.

Yeah. No, you released a GFX 100 RF review. I did, I did. Yes. Do you want to give us a little TL, a a big teal DR and then everyone else can go watch it if they're interested. Cool. Thank you for sharing that.

Yeah. So I made a camera video. It is the GFX 100 RF, which is a rangefinder style fixed lens medium for my camera. That is the official meaning of RF, rangefinder style fixed lens. Very Japanese, very Japanese. But basically, it is a fixed lens medium format digital camera, which we haven't really seen before. There is one from phase one that is horrible and costs $63,000.

I remember phase one. Wow. Yeah. People kind of universally say that you should never buy that No, but the RF is interesting because if you knew about the x100 Series which was very popular for many years and then the x106 came out. We have a video on the studio channel about it This is like a medium format version of that camera. It looks very similar. It has a lot. It has a few extra features of that camera. It looks very similar.

It has a few extra features. But the overall consensus is that I think that this camera is for two groups of people. It is for existing film photographers, or people that used to shoot film, because it has this really cool extra feature called an aspect ratio dial that is on the back of the camera that emulates a bunch of the old aspect ratios of film cameras.

So it has like 6-4-5, 6-by-7, 65-by-24, 6-by-17. Does not have 6-by-24, cause Fuji was not insane enough to make that. But yeah, it's super cool. I think the two groups of people that it's sort of for are street photographers, because the whole, basically what the camera is, it's a medium format 100 megapixel sensor that has a large wide lens mounted to it well

not large it has a wide lens mounted to it so it's kind of like take the photo in general and then reframe later yeah crop later so either either you're a film photographer who you want to use the aspect ratio dial to like compose in camera and then you take the photo in the same master ratio that you would take a film photo or You're like a street photographer who wants to use it to run around Taking photos of things on the street or you know street work and then also crop later and still have a lot of resolution So yeah, it is $4,900 at least a little video about it.

Whenever you do a camera video, I'm like, that thing costs too much. I'm not even remotely close to the person. It's yeah, it's it's interesting. It's the cheapest medium format camera that Fujifilm sells. It's pretty much the cheapest medium format digital camera on the market that you can buy new. Its biggest competition is the Leica Q3 camera on the market that you can buy new. Its biggest competition is the Leica Q3, and the reason for that is that it's basically the only other fixed lens digital camera that is full frame or larger.

The two things that people are yelling at each other about on the internet about this, because of course, people just need to argue about something. Fair, that's why we get views on this podcast. Yeah. The RF does not have image stabilization and the lens is f4. And a lot of people, well, I went to Utah to use it and it was a little bit difficult when the light got low because I like to shoot at blue hour, which is the hour after golden hour where it starts to get darker.

And without a wider aperture, you definitely have to push the ISO up a little bit. You can just change it to black and white mode if you want to do that and it looks kind of fine. Film grain. Yeah. And then I think that people have just gotten really used to optical image stabilization. But the body of this camera is only a little bit bigger than the X100 VI, which is an APS-C camera. So the fact that they were able to fit a sensor way bigger than there.

I talked to some people who designed the camera, because I flew to Prague, bought some plane tickets, bought some hotels, flew to Prague, so I can talk to the Fujifilm team that worked on the camera. And they said that if they had even made it F3.5, the mount would have been bigger than the size of the body. So if that is true, I understand why it's F4. But I think this is for a very specific group of people. And anyway, I made a video about it. The video talks about aspect ratios

and why the film aspect ratios are the way they are. And it's on my YouTube channel. I have a question for you. Yeah. How high do you think you could push the ISO? And it's still be is usable. That's kind of hard. I mean a lot of people will say now that the AI Noise removal has gotten so good like there's a lightroom AI noise removal tool. That's really good I think you could try a lot of those I shot a Fairly long exposure shot at 4, 4000 ISO and it was a little bit muddy

So I would say the highest I would push it is like 2500 max Unless you're okay with it being grainy, but again if you shoot in black and white black and white Stuff is already kind of grainy. So if you also 2500 is really good. It was pretty good But you know, so I just talked about Sony cameras recently yeah yeah yeah one thing Fuji is releasing a they're gonna be releasing a like red competitor I think later this year early next year called the Fuji film Eterna that is a box camera I'll be the judge of that yeah for the name. Aterna is their old film stock, by the way. Okay. Yeah. Actual film stock. Uh, it has dual native ISO and I really,

I think it would have been awesome if they put dual native ISO in this camera because it's using the exact same sensor. So it would have been really cool if they had put dual native ISO in this camera because it would have helped with those kinds of things. But, uh, yeah, people on the internet got very angry at each other about this stuff because the Q3 has optical image stabilization and a f1.7 lens. This lens is quite a bit slower and no OIS, but it has a lot of other features. So they're very different cameras. It's just that because they're the only two fixed lens digital cameras that are full frame or bigger people lump them into the same category

compared with each other yeah also the q3 is more expensive yeah the q3 is fourteen hundred dollars more I have a banger follow-up video for you okay ready GFX 100 RF versus iPhone 16 Pro do you want to get people on the internet riled up? That's one way to do it, for sure. Anyway, you got to do a drop test. So that's on my YouTube channel. I had many existential crises about whether or not to put it on my channel or just start a camera channel.

I think you made the right choice. I think I made the wrong choice. Really? We can get into that another day? Yeah, we can. We can. Well, another day? Yeah, we can. We can. We can. Well, speaking of products designed for particularly niche demographics, Huawei, thank you. You call me niche?

Well, I think 100 megapixel, $5,000 medium for my camera is. Oh, I'm in this phone. Yeah. Oh, you're in the niche for sure. But it is a niche. Huawei Pura X gets unveiled slash shown off. Okay, so you know how we have like hamburger phones and hot dog phones, right?

So we have like folds that go out like that and then flips like that. What if you take a phone that's shaped on the outside like a flip, but folds out like a fold. This is really hard to describe, right? Yeah. Like a hot burger or a ham dog kind of thing. Exactly.

It's like cat dog, right? Yeah. Yeah, this is the cat dog phone. It's... This phone is so simple and so hard to explain for audio listeners at the same time, because what it is essentially is a Samsung flip or a Moto Razr.

But when you're looking at it closed, rotate it 90 degrees so the hinge is now on your left like a book. But then when you open it, you have to then rotate it another 90 degrees to kind of use it as a standard portrait version. If you want to use it as a portrait tablet, yeah. Yeah, it felt like Huawei was at their meeting and said, you know, we've seen all these

foldables, flips fold, like hot dog versus hamburger. How do we innovate? And they just did the like poor canola's dose meme and like, yeah, she ready to get everyone. And they're like, we did it. Here's both. This is, this feels like something LG would do. Like they're picking up where LG left off of like, Hey, no one's done that

swively thing yet, have they? Okay, yeah, now we are. So here's the, yeah, the Huawei flip fold. Well, the interesting thing about Huawei is that they have never really made a fold that looks like other folds, because they were the ones that put the screen on the outside first,

when the Galaxy Fold was doing it folding internally. And then everybody else started doing that. And then they made the, well, nobody did the outside screen like the oh sorry I'm thinking of their flipping phone. They had a flip phone that looks exactly like And they do have a regular folding phone, but they the first no But that no, but that folding phone has the screen on the outside. No, but then they also have this one Oh, yeah, they made X2. You're right. It's just a regular but then so they made the weird one but then they also have this one. Oh, yeah, you're right. The Mate X2. You're right, you're right. It's just a regular folding phone.

But then, so they made the weird one, and then they made the tri-fold. Mm-hmm. That's also Huawei. Nobody has yet copied, but Samsung inferred at Galaxy Unpacked that they were working on one. Big LG vibes.

And now they're making, yeah, it's like, wow. Just trying stuff. I wonder if Huawei and LG are anagrams. LG. I don't think so. But yeah, Huawei and LG are anagrams. LG. I don't think so. But yeah, no, they're definitely picking up where they left off. I think it's an interesting idea.

It's still a small-ish phone. It's a 6.3-inch phone when you open it. So you know how some of them are like kind of gigantic, 6.7, 6.8, 6.3 open. So it's not as gigantic. So I feel like there could be a smaller crowd that's into this idea. And the weird thing about the size is that 6.3,

but with a different aspect ratio, because it's wider than most phones. It's 16 by 10 on the interior screen. Right. And I think it's interesting because it's smaller opened, but then it's really compact when it's closed. And it's almost asking you to like, use it a lot closed if you're okay

with a really small screen I shouldn't even say really small screen It's bigger screen than like a I think it's a bigger screen than a flip when it's closed But because where it's rotated it feels more portrait style totally And I think that's kind of cool this I think this wants you to kind of use it half and half of clothes This wants you to use it closed more than like a flip or a razor, is my guess. Yeah, because it turns into like the iPad mini. I think it's too small to use it closed very much.

I think it's similar to the Samsung situation and the razor where you have a big screen on the outside, but you're not really meant to use it on the outside that much, it's more just like, I wanna read an entire notification without it being cropped. I want to see, like I might play a game on the outside once in a while. But that's really kind of a niche thing. OK, so counterpoint. Yeah.

Clicks. Michael Fisher's brand. Disclosure. Our friend. Yeah. Slash my ex roommate. My ex's roommate, but my ex roommate. He just released, they just released Clicks for Razor. And it uses the Razor closed, and then you use the keyboard and you use the whole phone closed. Yeah.

So it's like this. That's even more niche. Yes. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Because you attach a keyboard to it. But I mean you can do everything that you can do when the phone's open. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Except watch a widescreen video. But that's why you open it. Exactly. Turn it sideways. Yeah, I'd say that. I feel like that's enough to answer a text message. It's enough to like if you're doing walking directions in Google Maps, I probably just want the small one that I can throw in my pocket super easily. So I don't know

The other thing is I'm gonna dig this open it. It's already in landscape orientation So if you're if you start a video while it's closed you just open it You don't have to turn it that is probably the best part book style. I like that I think the best part of this is Huawei's getting a bunch of news coverage because they were just like, let's take a flip and rotate it 90 degrees. And now they've got an entire. A someone had to do it first. Someone had to think of it. Nobody else did it.

Brilliant. Also, the main cameras are facing you. So it's like built for selfies. It's a triple camera up top. So it's going to start off as China only. It's going to be the equivalent of about a thousand dollars, similar to like Razer and Z Flip, and it's probably not gonna show up in the US anytime soon, but we get to read articles about it

and admire it from here. Yeah. It also seems like if you want to take pictures of things that are not your face, you have to open it. Yes, exactly. I mean, similar to like- Minor downside. Minor downside on the form factor. Unless you get a giant viewfinder.

It also will be the first phone to ship with Harmony Intelligence, which is Huawei's AI assistant. Powered by DeepSeek. They're calling it their own in-house AI model powered by DeepSeek or something like that. That is an oxymoron. I forget the exact, I'm sure the exact phrasing is in here. Do you guys think that in China,

DeepSeek is like a hyped brand? Because that is so much global appeal. That is so hard for us to know. Enhanced by DeepSeek. In-house model enhanced. In-house pangu model? Yeah, yeah, it's DeepSeek. It's like, if you are gonna say in-house model

enhanced by DeepSeek, you are by nature of emphasizing one of those, basically discarding the other. If you're gonna tell us, it's our in-house model. Oh, I'm supposed to be very impressed by that. Enhanced by DeepSeek. Oh, okay, so it's not. That's kind of like how Siri is enhanced by chat GPT.

It's like, okay, I'm either impressed by one or the other or not, but you can pick your choice. Siri can do basic stuff But when you need really hard tasks, we offer that to chat GPT right now Siri can't do those basic things either maybe not till next year. That's true I have one other announcement and I want to This not announcement. Yeah I'm prefacing this by saying,

I'm 99% sure this is real, but I'm not completely sure this is real. And I'll explain why and you guys can help me figure this out, all right? So there's a bunch of posts and very few news articles about something called VivoVision, which is the company Vivo, we all know. They're a phone manufacturing company.

They have done a lot of crazy things in the past. Were they not the first people to do like the under-fingerprint? The under, yeah. Yeah, they were. Years ago used to be the ones like innovating a lot of stuff that we tested before we saw them in like every other phone.

But Vivo Vision is their mixed reality headset that was showcased at a conference in China last week. Allegedly. Okay, so the first time I saw this was on a post on Threads and the video, which I thought I linked in here. Let me find the video so you can see it. Has this very wonky, sketchy effect on it that looks like it's AI enhanced, really bad. very wonky, sketchy effect on it

that looks like it's AI enhanced, really bad. Look at the bottom of the screen. The whole bottom is just glitching out and the VivoVision text is freaking out and looks super AI, but everything else looks totally fine, right? Yeah, why? Okay, it looks like someone shot the video in like 16 by eight and someone said at the last second,

you need this video to do 16 by 10. And so they had to AI extend the bottom 500 pixels of the video to be taller. So the bottom of the entire video looks like it's glitching out and AI enhanced, which includes a lot of the text, but it's kind of weird. So I, when I saw this, there are not very many news articles.

The only website that I frequently visit that posted about this was GSM Arena, which I generally trust. Forbes has an article about it. Forbes has one? Forbes has one. They all show the same two images. Yeah.

But so I reached out to a different Android reporter that I know and I was like have you heard about this He said no and I showed him the video He's like I think there was a watermark on this and that's an AI watermark removal Probably from some Chinese publication definitely and whatever this video from is just the only one we can see not on one of those websites China it's that so sad that someone was like I want to not attribute this publication so badly That I'm going to mess up the video But there's it's I think that I think it's real ultimately and

we need to talk about how it looks because there's not a lot of information on it, but This is this is like if a mullet party in the front, business in the back, this is Apple Vision Pro in the front, Project Muhon in the back, or sorry, Vision Pro in the back, Muhon in the front. It is the exact same knit band and battery connector and battery of a Vision Pro. And then the front, the front, it looks like a higher quality material version of Muhon

where it has a much bigger face shield, like face padding. Yeah. And kind of thinned down actual like screen and sensors and stuff. But yeah, this image has been saved so many times. It's just so compressed. Exactly. Yeah. It's like this one image, one or two images on every single website and then this AI video floating around 25 second orbit of this thing. It looks, yeah, it looks kind of like Vivo saw the Vision Pro

and went, all right, we're doing our own headset, heavily inspired by the Vision Pro. Yeah. Not shocking. I definitely, so is this probably gonna run Android XR is my guess. That's a very fair point. When I to run Android XR is my guess. Or they're going to do their own software. When I did that Android XR video,

it was kind of along the lines of, what do all the non-Envision Pro headsets run? And if you run, if you're a meta and you have your own Horizon OS, that's cool. If you're not, maybe you just use Google's new OS because it's going to work with everything. And so this is probably going to run that. And we'll see when it eventually comes out, maybe.

But I find it very funny that Metta was getting so hyped about making Horizon OS like the OS for headsets. Yeah. And just nobody cared. Did anyone else use it? I think there may have been a Lenovo or there are companies that announced they were going to use it. I don't know if any actually came out.

But they wanted to make the OS for the Metaverse. Yes, yeah, or these VR headsets. And I don't know if anyone actually took them up on that. So we'll see what this ends up doing. I'm gonna guess it's the Google one. Yeah, I think so. Oh, it's Android XR. Yeah, thanks. Oh, it's right. It's Android XR So all I all we really know outside of this is that it was at this conference

The bow forum is that how you pronounce that? I don't know how to very soon be oh a oh Forum and it looks like a business conference So like my guess is like Vivo wanted to show off like look what we can make it looks like they have like the video Of it is in this little Vivo booth, which they apparently also showed off 6g advancements and God here we go know whether or not this is like real or just them saying look we can make something just like the But I would remind us this might not be because it's also called Vivo vision

Which is sort of an immediate like, hey, we can do manufacturing exactly the same as Apple. Concept, yeah. This is everything short of concept without having a word concept in it. Yeah, I mean, pump our stock. The closest information I found on this is that there's a prototype anticipated mid to 2025.

A prototype. A prototype. Okay, can we break down that sentence? Yes. What is a prototype? A prototype is a pre-release, not ready for the public yet version of something that's like to show it. A, and what was the sentence?

A prototype. Okay, a unit was present at the Vivo booth to showcase the design while the prototype is anticipated to launch in mid 2025. This prototype is anticipated to launch in mid 2025. The prototype is anticipated mid 2025. Maybe. Allegedly. So by mid 2025,

that nobody knows if it really took place. we will have maybe a prototype. Announcement. An announcement. Prototypes don't always come out either. Like sometimes it's just like, they usually don't end up looking like the prototype. That said, this doesn't seem too far fetchfetched though because the evil loves to do stuff

Yeah, and if Google is really gonna be pushing Android XR and like muhan and everything like You would want to have something ready to go for when they yeah, so that's a big sense. It doesn't make sense I blame All this prototype stuff on the video game industry because they just started pushing alpha Releases of games realize they can make money and never have to update them and now everyone else is like why don't we just release stuff? That's broken and blame it on the people paying for it I found the press release. So it is definitely real. It's definitely from vivo and it is definitely a prototype This is like there are more articles up right now than when I wrote this this morning. So it seems like it's more popular.

That's wild, dang. Yeah, it looks nice. It does look cool. It does look cool. I mean, I'm not excited that it has the same band that the Vision Pro didn't work very well. That was a really grammatically correct sentence. We'll see.

But maybe this one's a lot lighter, you know? We'll see if they're able to innovate and do something Apple wasn't with this headset, with this band. Yeah. TBD. TBD. I don't think the hardware was the problem.

Yeah. I don't know, I think it was kind of the problem. With the Apple Vision Pro? It was a combination. The head, well yeah, but if there was an amazing experience, people would just use it. F1 drivers would get it. Yeah.

The weight was huge, was huge. But also there was no content. And the price tag was also, and it was expensive. Yeah. All right, well we gotta talk about some more Apple stuff after the break, but before we take a break, we should take a trivia break. Did you guys do trivia?

You did trivia last week, huh? Yeah, and neither of them got it right. Oh good. So you didn't miss anything. We were debating it, but I was going to if they had gotten it. I was only five hours ahead. I don't even remember what it was. Honestly.

Oh, it was David. It was really hard. What does LEAF stand for? Yeah, the Nissan LEAF. What does LEAF stand for? It was a backronym. Oh, no. Which I argue makes it more embarrassing

because it's so stupid. Why would you make it a backronym? Only make a backronym if it's super creative and good. Don't just do it. Love, electric, and vision. So yeah, zero points for David. Zero points for David. We all thought E was electric, it wasn't.

It was environmentally friendly. Yes, that's one word. What about the A? The A is affordable. What is the L? The L is leading. Why are you asking this all out of order? Leading, environmentally friendly.

Leading, environmentally friendly, affordable, family car. This is like... Do you know when they make acronyms, like memes of acronyms where like one of the letters is multi- like I need CPR, crab, Rangoon is right in my mouth or whatever and like, yeah, this is what that is. Environmentally friendly. You guys could have gotten a point if you had gotten any of those, correct? It wasn't like you had to get the whole thing. You just needed one of the words L is leading leading didn't I say that? No, I said love either way that was last week's you it's kind of like how

the RF and GFX 100 RF like It stands for rangefinder style fixed lens, which also almost sounds like a backronym. In my video, I literally said it is a rangefinder style fixed lens. And everyone's like, it's not a rangefinder. And I was like, rangefinder style. I know we need to get rid of that is literally what it stands for. Damn.

So all right. First question. Yeah, we spoke about the ps1 earlier Fun fact it was released in the United States September of 1995 so question for you Which of these games was not available on the ps1? Can I just the wild before we get to their? GTA 6? Wait, are you saying PS1 like he's talking about in there, which is the modified version after the original PlayStation? No, no, the original PlayStation, the PS1. Yeah. Okay. A Gran Turismo.

B Crash Bandicoot. C Final Fantasy. D Call of Duty World at War. Or E, all of these were available on the PS1. No way. This is before my time, so I'm full stab in the dark for me. I'm not gonna know the answer, but we'll see. It was not before your time.

You were alive. Didn't you just say it was, when did you say it? 95. 95, so I was two years old. Yeah. I thought you were a real gamer't you just say it was, when did you say it? 95. 95, so I was two years old. Yeah. You were 95. I thought you were a real gamer. I wasn't 17 yet.

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Yeah, it's coming up. Should we start this with that hot take? Sure. It's not even a track card. We're already back. Get ready to format this card. We're back. I just said I have a hot take that's going to burn this whole podcast down.

You know where this comes from? So here's the announcement that this is around. Every hot take with a backstory is crazy. No, I believe this though. Every, I fully believe this. I fully stand by this with all of my heart. There's a lot of buildup. The announcement is AirPods Max get lossless audio.

And the subtext of the announcement is only the USB type C AirPods Max get it while the cable is attached. And so obviously, okay, so the lightning one doesn't support it, most of the AirPods Max out there are the lightning one, but okay, these 550 dollar headphones finally got lossless audio. Oh boy.

Here we go. Updated my LinkedIn profile. My hot take is none of you people can tell the difference between lossless audio and regular compressed audio. Zero of you. And I know you think you can, but you can't. You can only tell it because of confirmation bias. But if you listen back to back,

you might maybe get it right. But if you don't label them and you do a blind test, you'll get it wrong every single time. There is no, I'll stop there. I'll stop there. We physically tested this with the Walkman video on the studio. Ellis did like a test and brought all of us in

to see if we could tell the difference between. Oh yeah. I think I got seven out of eight right. Just saying. Seven out of eight? Well, there are more differences than just the amount of information. There were other dynamic range differences, et cetera.

But if you just take lossless versus compressed, no difference to people. So you're saying that they are trying to take the people who believe that there's a difference and sell them the new headphone. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's great marketing strategy.

And it's great, look, lots of expensive headphones support lossless audio and AirPods Max are fairly late to this. And it's like, okay, great, you can do it now. You require the cable. That's not a surprise. Okay, now you have lossless audio. You've caught up to the other $500 headphones out there.

But I don't care. If somehow audio listeners haven't figured out Ellis isn't in the studio. Yeah. From jumping in on that one. It should be there. Yeah. Ellis would probably have thoughts. But we can probably pay playback the clip of the episode where they announced the AirPods Max with USB-C

and we thought it was going to be AirPods Max 2. And we were like, that's it. They just put a USB-C cable and gave us some new colors, slightly new colors. There are a couple other small features that is coming with this. Personalized spatial audio, and they're in ultra low latency with the cable attached.

So gaming now, they say gamers and live streamers can benefit from ultra low latency audio, which lowers lag time and is on par with native built-in speakers on Mac, iPad, and iPhone. First of all. That one's nice. I do notice the ultra-low latency stuff, because I've noticed differences in latency

between different types of headphones. And I think Razer did this thing with their gaming headphones not that long ago, this ultra-low latency mode. And it was like, okay, this, you know how you watch a YouTube video with Bluetooth headphones on, and the person's mouth is moving slightly different

from the audio in your headphones? That's actually noticeable and annoying. So you can imagine while gaming, you want that audio to line up exactly with what you're doing. Yes, this is very useful. I support ultra-low latency. I agree with everything you said. Yeah.

Except. Except I'm pretty sure this article means it only works when it's plugged in. Yes, correct. With the wire. Only the cable. So I'm not impressed. I'm not impressed. I'm just saying it article means it only works when it's plugged in. Yes, correct. With the wire. Only the cable. So I'm not impressed. I'm not impressed.

I'm just saying it's a useful feature. All headphones are ultra low latency when they're plugged in. Wait, I'm not crazy. Bluetooth is the only thing that causes drag. That's true. Yes, that's true. I'm so confused with it.

So you're just spinning the fact that it's plugged in. I feel like I have to be missing something here. I guess my only take is that there is a noticeable difference between ultra low latency and wireless. So I'm like, okay, it supports it, great. I'm my take that I can see the comments already are that the difference between 24 bit 48 kilohertz lossless audio and whatever codec,

whatever bit rate it was doing over Bluetooth before will be imperceptible to 99.9% of people and that last.1% is kind of guessing. Damn. Wow. Mic drop. Well, don't you worry, there's another big announcement. Okay.

You can't afford this. If you're a gamer, you cannot afford this, I'm sorry. You also now can buy a USB-C to 3.5 millimeter audio cable for the low, low price of, my ring makes that really bad drum solo, $39. Yeah, that gets you, the DAC is in the cable, I believe. I wanna see how fast. What?

Really? And you can plug it straight into it. Cause what are you plugging into? Wait, there's an additional DAC? I think you might need it because it's, if you're plugging into something with a headphone jack, this isn't a modern smartphone anymore. This is like some MP3 player or some other thing. And you're going to plug it straight into the AirPods Max.

So you're going to probably need some support from the cable. To drive them? I do also want to make the difference here is there already is a USB-C to 3.5 millimeter adapter. This is the cable to plug directly into your headphones. The adapter is probably totally passive. Yeah.

Was there already a male lightning to male 3.5? I bought one on Amazon a while ago for cheap and it was not very good. I don't think Apple sold one. If they did, it probably cost a lot more. Yeah, I have not used it. I know they had a Lightning 2 female 3.5 because they originally sold that with the iPhone 10.

Immediately get lost in Apple dongles. It's so hard to keep track of all the different ones. Yeah. Okay, well, big news for those people. Mm-hmm. So. USB-C, AirPods Max people. To the people that care, congratulations.

Moving on. There is also a rumor going around that the iPhone 17 Pro is going to have 8K video recording. Yeah. Yay. That's a lot of smarts. I have a hot take. Most of you who think you can see 8K video footage can't actually tell the difference. I would take you up on that.

I definitely can watch a 4K video and then switch to 8K and be like, wow, this looks way better. What are you watching it on? I was joking. 6K, 4K display XDR, 6K display. If I watch a 4K video and then an 8K video, even though it's not an 8K display, I can see a difference. But also the thing about, it has the bit rate.

That I, I can't. I wish I could. I wish I could. It depends on the video. Yeah. Depends on the video. Cause the thing is YouTube had this bug recently where,

and I don't know if you saw this, if you started watching a video and you had a great wifi connection, it would still play at ultra low quality. Right. And this went on for a couple of days, and I was very annoyed by this, because every video I watch on my iPad, I immediately select the highest possible

like bit rate and resolution. So it was going to default to these lower resolutions and every single time I would switch it. And I started noticing more and more videos that have 1080p and 1080p high bit rate. Some of them, just for f**ks and giggles, I would check it out and I would notice a tiny difference with the high bit rate, but it would depend on the video

and how much movement and motion there is and how much is happening in the video. So some of those I would be able to tell, some of those I wouldn't, but I can definitely tell the difference between like 1080 and 1440 and 4K. And then if there's an 8K video, I'm probably gonna need a big display

to notice the difference. And how close you are to the screen. And the if there's an 8K video, I'm probably gonna need a big display to notice the difference. And how close you are to the screen. Yeah, and the thing about 8K videos is they're typically shot on sensors and cameras that look better than 4K cameras. So it's not just pure resolution difference. Like if I were to take a 8K video from the Red and downsize it to 4K,

it's still gonna look really, really good. And that's gonna be hard to tell the difference. But a 4K video from my RX100 versus an 8K video from my RED, it's like, okay, I can tell which one the 8K one is, because it looks better in so many other ways. What about an 8K from a Galaxy S24 Ultra? That's what I'm curious, so right now,

8K videos from smartphones, the couple that support it, the way it kind of ends up going is, it's only from the main sensor, because that's the only one with the high enough resolution and fast enough processing and fast enough scanning of this sensor. And then it ends up looking like this super, super crisp, over sharpened video from top to bottom. And so it kind of fools you into thinking,

wow, this is much better because I have all this detail and like someone's hair will like wisp off in the sun and you can see every little thing and it looks sharper and better, but it's not actually more usable in terms of resolution or just looking like better footage. I would get more from a larger sensor and a shallower depth of field

than I would from going to 8K. Yeah. That being said, I've wanted 8K from lots of smartphone cameras. I think the iPhone is a prime camera to support 8K. That being said, I've wanted 8K from lots of smartphone cameras. I think the iPhone is a prime camera to support 8K. I've shot lots of video on iPhones. You watch the Autofocus channel, you've seen a lot of it. I would love to see what 8K from those sensors

would look like, but we haven't seen it yet. So maybe this next generation will. Would you use it? I think so. So the thing about 8K also is it's four times 4K resolution. So it's going to be a ton of storage. And you already know what it looks like to shoot 4K HDR ProRes.

Log. Log. Those are big files. They're so big. You need an external hard drive. So big. I'm thinking 8K is going to require at least a terabyte iPhone or something crazy, because they're not

going to unlock that for 250, 60 iPhone's and it's gonna probably, I don't know if it'll require external storage, but it will be strongly suggested. My guess is they're not even going to allow you to shoot 8K ProRes. Like 8K will be an option, but ProRes is gonna be limited to 4K. Yeah, it's H.265,

because H.264 is limited to 4K, right? So H.265 is 8K. Yeah, it's a 4K. And that's the only way to support them. But I just don't think that Apple even let you because they're just gonna be like, this eats up way too much storage. So they're gonna compress 8K.

So is the compressed 8K gonna look better than the ProRes 4K? It's the same thing. It's like the 8K on the smartphone looks kinda worse than just the regular 4K because it's so much sharpening so much What was that? So much sharpening so much noise reduction that it just ends up looking like over sharpened and plasticky Yeah, but it would just be better to shoot 4k. What if they want it taking up more storage so you can buy more iCloud conspiracy

Yeah, I mean they didn't allow ProRes log unless you had the 256 gig model you needed more that might have needed the terabyte no, I think it was I think it was just there wasn't I think the base model. Oh, right, right, right? That's just the base model didn't loud So I could see if they did that. I just I don't think they're going to allow a K in pro res log at all Yeah, that's crazy big files. Yeah.

I bet if this does come out on 17 Pro, they announce it at the event and it comes out three months later. Yeah, I could see that. I could definitely. That's actually a really good prediction. I think that's exactly what they would do. Pretty solid.

Wow. Especially because the day one videos of people being like, I shot 10 minutes of 8K video and now my phone is full. They were just, well, just delay those headlines by a couple of weeks while people buy the phones and then turn it on.

Damn, that's a good one, Andrew. I like how the smallest note in this outline turned into one joke and possibly the longest conversation that I think we've had so far. I can see the comments section burning up already from my last two takes from AirPods Max and now AK video on phones, but I stand by them. Other small rumor is that Mark Gurman is saying

that they possibly may be producing the foldable iPhone as early as 2026, selling it as early as 2026. Next year. We also had an analyst saying that the device has entered a new production phase and mass production could be slated for the second half of next year. We also had an analyst saying that the device has entered a new production phase, and mass production could be slated for the second half of next year. So it's going to beat the row taxi. Everything will beat the row taxi.

Interesting. OK. I've been burned before. But Mark Gurman does think that it's a foldable style flip phone and not a flip style folding phone I bet that there's too many names for this folding thing It's confusing because when you fold and flip our next to each other it makes perfect sense But when you only say folds, yeah, it's like pants and shorts shorts or shorts, but I think right that's a hotter take

He also says there will be less of a crease Go on, I'm not getting into that argument. He also says there will be less of a crease, which matches with an earlier report from ET News. Less of a crease than existing folds and flips. And Apple has decided to eliminate crease at all costs. Yeah, so that's something ET News reported like a month ago saying that like, Apple is willing to like not have a crease on this.

Like that's a main factor. That's an interesting tidbit. I mean, I recently did the video on the Oppo Find N5, talking about this peak foldable where they've done so much. It's super thin. It has a large battery. The hinge is really nice and there's almost no crease.

And I wonder like as Apple watches all of these foldables coming out, what they're thinking is like, all right, what we've got to do to make it like, okay for us to ship a foldable and to land on the crease being the tough thing and not the aspect ratio or the bezels or the under display selfie camera or anything else,

the crease, gotta have no crease. That's an interesting. Yeah, I guess that's Apple kind of admitting, or at least saying that the industry has figured out the form factors by now, because that's usually what they do. They let the experimental stuff cook for a few years, and then they take, okay, what are the key problems

with these things that people are testing out? Let's iron that out and then release something. Iron it out, get the crease out. That's right. Iron the crease out. And they're basically saying... Nice. They're basically saying that a foldable, hot dog

style foldable is the style that is correct. I don't know if I agree with that. I think that you know, the new Huawei one is kinda hot. I always pictured Apple doing flip style. I just thought it made more sense. That's a literal iPhone that like falls in half and that's the one that I see all over the place and iPhone people are like

Yeah, my question becomes though. Do we see them all over the place because they're still half the price of fold 100% I think so. Yeah, but that's also like there are also folds out there But none of my iPhone people in my life care about them. It's like a joke. Why would you want that? But they see the flips and they're like, oh, that is cool. And is that independent of price, you think? Cause I think-

Well, they don't know the pricing when they're just looking at it. Right, yeah. Cause I think when I imagine which one to tackle first is the best idea, I think there are more flips in the world, but I think that's also because of the price. So I don't know if that's a good indicator

for which one's a better idea, but also for Apple positioning, you know, they wanna go premium. And I think with the flips, it's just, oh, the iPhone, but it folds in half. Well, what does that offer me? I guess it's cool that it folds in half and it's smaller, but they can tell a way more dramatic premium story

with this tablet in your pocket thing. And I think if this is gonna be a two thousand plus dollar phone like they they would like to have some big You know heavy-hitting thing to start the category the other interesting thing becomes iOS and iPad OS are different and work differently and so does Apple merge them and just make them because like Android basically took Android and then they had a foldable version of Android and they eventually just merged them into one version where all Android phones can now just dynamically expand and do the like plug into a computer and all these things. Apple is going to have to go through that process and it took Google like three years to figure that out. Yeah. So are they just going to like knock it out of the part day one or are they gonna have some flubs? I think they they kill the iPad mini no unfortunately

No, and this is the new iPad mini and then this is the new and then they make a commercial where they're like hey What's that iPad? And the person's like what's an iPad? That'd be awesome deep cut it should be around $2,000 or $2,000 to $2,500. So that is a fairly... Expensive. Yes, it is, but it's also the same price that the Folds have been for a very long time. Yeah.

Or at least were when they launched. I'm not sure if that would like... A little cheaper now. Get a new round of people buying iPhones. I think a flip would be way more compelling to people. Cause you also don't have to tell developers, okay, now there's a new round of people buying iPhones. I think a flip would be way more compelling to people. Cause you also don't have to tell developers, okay, now there's a new screen size you have to figure out. Well, there is the front facing screen,

if they had a screen on the front. Yeah. Oh, that's true. It's that or the big landscape thing. Yeah. Maybe it's iOS when it's closed, when you open it, it's iPad OS. And it's got an M chip. And it... And it's iOS when it's closed. When you open it, it's iPadOS. And it's got an M chip. And it's, wait, now I want it.

Yeah. Yeah. So more rumor mill stuff. I think we've been reporting on this for a year. We just need to talk about enough to maybe put in the thumbnail. There's a long way away, but it is interesting to imagine. We have some facts to throw at you that are different from rumors. WDBC, also called Dub-Dub, someone in the comment section said, stop calling it that.

And to you I say, no. That's what it's called. It's an acronym. I've listened to your concerns and I've chosen to ignore them. You sound a lot like Tim Cook right now. Also, WWDC. Oh my goodness. That takes forever to say.

I'm just going to say Worldwide Developer Conference every single time. It hurts me. So when is the Worldwide Developer Conference this year? June 9. Oh, Worldwide Developer Conference 2025. Yeah, the Worldwide Developer Conference 2025 is taking place at Apple headquarters in Cupertino, California, one infinite loop. It's typically in June, the World Wide Developer Conference 2025 is taking place at Apple headquarters in Cupertino,

California, one infinite loop. It's typically in June, the World Wide Developer Conference. Yeah, the World Wide Developer Conference starts on June 9th. But the World Wide Developer Conference is actually going to be accessible to every developer online, fully available online, between June 9th and June 12th. What are we expecting to see at this World Wide Developer

Conference? Well, glad you asked, Adam. At the Worldwide Developer Conference? available to developers entirely online, which is exciting. It is a Monday this year, which is a little bit different. Usually they do it on Tuesdays. Yeah, the initial day, first keynote and stuff. Yeah. So for us, unless we're doing a podcast there, then we can just do our normal podcast, I guess.

Amazing. Which is cool. If that's even happening anymore. Yeah, who knows? We will have to wait four days for people to hear our thoughts on the thing that's happening on Monday. But in other news, the European Union has officially put into effect the consequences of its digital markets act. And it's going to force Apple allegedly to change iOS in nine key or seven key ways, nine key ways, nine key ways. I

wrote this this morning. Nine key ways. Now, obviously, Apple can still appeal this and they almost definitely will because the ways that the European Union has told Apple to change iOS are always in which they keep people in their ecosystem. So surprisingly, all of these changes are things that you have to be very tech savvy and understand why these features keep people in the ecosystem to do. So I'm just going to go on the list here. Number one is better access to iOS notifications, which would allow third-party smartwatches to show notifications and allow people to interact with them similar to how the Apple

Watch can. You also must allow custom actions from third-party developers and ensure that the actions are triggered on the iOS device. So like quick replies? Yeah. Yeah, quick replies or opening apps on your phone when you click on the watch, that kind of stuff. This would fix a lot of the Garmin problem that we have.

Yeah, it was big dub. Big dub? I mean, big win. big win. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Yeah win win developer conference Can we just when you say these can we say if this is a dub? Yeah a W mm-hmm a world Number two worlds in the chat high bandwidth peer-to-peer Wi-Fi connections I believe this means that MacBooks are going to be able to see your phone's network and connect to it very easily, regardless of it's an iPhone. Because right now, as long as your phone is around your Mac

and is connected to the same Apple ID, you can just click the Wi-Fi button and click Connect to your phone. Super useful. Yes. Also, when Chromebooks did that, that was useful. They still do it. Yeah.

Chromebooks and Pixels. Yeah. Yeah. So that would be really nice. The question then becomes to me, if there are tons of phones everywhere, is your laptop just going to show a zillion different networks? I feel like that could be frustrating.

Because the way that they do it now is they check to see if you're on the same Apple ID, and then it shows it. But part of this European Union thing is the discovery aspect of that network needs to be opened. So that's pretty interesting. But they specifically say high bandwidth peer-to-peer. And that makes me wonder if there

is some underlying protocol where the iPhone giving access to internet to the MacBook is faster with its bandwidth or something than like an Android phone that is casting internet to the MacBook, I'm not totally sure. Number three, proximity triggered pairing needs to be opened up. So obviously when you have a pair of AirPods or something

and you hold it near the iPhone, it'll show that little pop-up window on the iPhone that's like, pair your, yeah. Google has fast pair, but only for Android phones. And so basically I think they're just trying to make it so that all earbuds have the same capabilities. So that would be nice. Yeah.

Is that a dub? I think that's a dub. I'm also wondering if pairing AirPods to an Android phone. Yeah, I mean, the other way around. Yeah, specifically, they're going after Apple here. I imagine. Well, that's still Apple. Is that oh, I guess it's who's allowing that device. Yeah. An Android phone.

Yeah. Google would still have to allow because there are different protocols right now. Like Google has the official fast pair protocol. You know yeah They use like a Qualcomm thing okay Yeah, and then I wonder like is the EU gonna make Google open it up. That is a great question. Yeah, that's a great question number four background execution Apple needs to provide third parties with the ability to work in the background and fetch data This is also something that completely nukes

third-party smartwatches because a lot of the tasks and stuff cannot run in the background. Eric Mijakovski, who just relaunched Pebble, specifically said why Apple won't let us make a good Pebble app. He wrote a whole blog post about it. And a lot of that has to do with the ability to fetch information from

the phone actively while it's running in the background. Got you. WW. Close range wireless file transfer. Other platforms must be able to send and receive data via an equally powerful method as AirDrop when connected to an Apple device and have access to the same protocols AirDrop uses to operate such as discovery, Wi-Fi transfer and more.

Enormous dub. Love it. Massive. Love to see it. It would make working in this office so much easier. Time to AirDrop everything all the time. My phone. Yeah. You know, and I don't feel bad for them

having to open this up because for so long, you could have just let me plug my fucking phone into my computer and access the files to it, but you don't. So here we go. I'm slack messaging myself. Photos. Yeah. I mean, AirDrop is definitely what they basically what they did was they went on to Apple devices

and they were like, what are all the things that only work among Apple devices and make it so you have to buy another Apple device for this feature to work well. And they are basically just saying you have to open all this stuff up, which is amazing. I think the AirDrop is kind of the secondary reason that people stay on iPhones when they have a Mac next to iMessage, so that's a very big thing. Automatic Wi-Fi connection on third party devices. So for example, if you connect to a Wi-Fi network

on your iPhone and then you open your MacBook, it's automatically connected to the same Wi-Fi network. That's very helpful and that'd be nice. I'm not really sure how they're going to do that. I'm guessing it means with like, because some smartwatches can connect to Wi-Fi, which allows them to pull notifications and stuff to the internet. So it doesn't have to be connected via Bluetooth to your phone. It might be that. I would love to see that based on other computers as well, but I just don't really see how that would happen. But who knows?

Casting solutions equal to AirPlay. So Apple has to give third parties the ability to cast what the same tech AirPlay has access to, and it must be available in the Control Center picker and offer it via the standard media playback APIs without the developer needing to integrate an SDK. So that's cool. Am I the only one that's not a fan of all of this?

What do you mean not a fan? Like that they're forcing Apple to do this. Yeah, it's basically the result is good. Yeah, but it's weird. But the way it's happening is a slippery slope. Like if they can just come in and go, all right, I know you built these technologies, but now here's what you have to do with them.

Like, you know where all of these technologies exist on Android phones? Like if it's really that serious, you know, you could just leave. But you can't, then that's the whole problem. I think that's the whole reason they're doing this is because you can't leave like you have to buy AirPods if you want to have the device switching and all that kind of stuff, you know

Yeah, you have to you have to leave the universe to leave iPhone. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Yeah, which is very hard for people to do Ironically in Europe, it's not Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. This is in the what's that? It's harder here, but it's harder here It's that difficult in the yeah, so I don't know we got two more Automatic audio switching so third-party headphones must have the ability to automatically switch between your phone and your laptop right now there is What is the term for it where you can make device? Point where you can be connected-device, multi-point.

Where you can be connected to both at the same time. So I don't see this as that big of a deal because it's from the headphones perspective and not the devices perspective. But apparently they have to open that up to other headphones. And also they must be allowed to use the same high bandwidth connection that AirPods use, I guess for lower latency or something like that.

And then number nine, Apple has to open the NFC chip to read, write so that you can not only have to use it with Apple pay. Oh yeah. Because they love all these. Yeah. I don't know. This is great.

I think all of these are things where, like, if you either have an, like, if you have an iPhone, you should be able to have other things that aren't Apple. Yeah, exactly. I think that's super reasonable. Right. Yeah. either have an, like if you have an iPhone, you should be able to have other things that aren't Apple products. Yeah, exactly. I think that's super reasonable. Right. Yes. The results are super reasonable.

Yes. It's just, is this the way to accomplish those results? I mean, Apple's not gonna do it by themselves. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Consumers should. The question, well, but the question always becomes like, have you created a space where it's hard for consumers to pick other options and therefore they have to buy the Apple option, which further locks them into the Apple ecosystem they can't get out so other players like can't even compete.

where this would never happen. Like I designed, like what did we, what was that random car that had like luggage, the BMW IX, BMW made bespoke luggage that fits perfectly in the trunk of the BMW IX. So like maximizes the trunk space. So if you want to fill the trunk space with luggage, you have to buy that luggage. Otherwise you're just gonna buy

some random cheap other third party luggage and it might not fit or it might only take up half the space. Now the EU comes in and says, BMW, you are required to allow others to like design luggage with your exact specifications. Yeah, but that's not illegal right now. Well, it's not illegal. Well, like it's not illegal.

You can still design luggage. Yeah, I feel like the difference would be, it's like if someone designed the luggage that did fit in there and then BMW had a way of being like, no, the trunk won't close if you put different luggage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's better. Yeah, like if you are allowed to design with the exact dimensions, but if they detect

it's not BMWs, then it doesn't work or something. I mean, yeah, they should, the EU should be able to say, you can't do that. Yeah, yeah,. The EU should be able to do that. I'm also gonna go out and say that I am sure the way the EU is doing it isn't perfect because there's a lot of issues in every government everywhere, but I think it seems crazy that I know lots of people

with iPhones that would rather have a Garmin watch just because there are a lot of benefits to it, even versus an Apple Watch Ultra, and not being able to do a bunch of the things and just straight up losing features in that seems like super ticky tacky. And things that like, I don't think any of these are super unreasonable asks that would really

make people like not want their iPhone anymore. It just lets people with an iPhone have some more opportunities. Yeah. There does become a question of like, how do you differentiate, how does Apple differentiate its products to make people want to buy them?

Like, do they just have to make the audio quality better? Do they just have to, which to be fair is what every other brand has to do. And there does become a problem when the platform developer becomes the person that is selling accessories for the platform, because they can always prefer their accessories. And so it's hard for competition to compete

when there is a platform developer that also creates the accessories. It's like an Amazon basics, like knocks off products and puts their listing above other stuff. Yeah. Right. We're Amazon. We built the search engines.

So we put what we want there. You search Fanny Pat or like small camera bag bag and it comes up with the peak design knockoff that Amazon themselves made like That is anti-competitive. Yeah, so yeah solution is also you just leave the iPhone It's really hard to leave. I do it like three times a year Yeah, I mean, you build different. We have no discipline out here. I would say like AirDrop is probably the one thing that keeps me using the iPhone right now, because now that RCS exists and I'm getting these RCS chats from people and I'm RCS chatting with people, I'm like,

I really don't have qualms not using iMessage anymore, but I do use AirDrop constantly and it is really, really hard to move files from an Android phone to a MacBook. May I interest you in an app called Local Send, which does that? How fast does it do it? It's the same as AirDrop. It's just you have to download the app. Also send from the MacBook to the phone. Yeah. Do you need an app on the MacBook as AirDrop. It's just you have to download the app. Also send from the MacBook to the phone.

Yeah. Do you need an app on the MacBook? Yep. Yeah. That's the thing. It's like this is built into the OS, but there are other options. You just have to download the app.

I would like to end this segment with a tech support question. Because I know that this has worked in the past where somebody has an issue and then they put it out into the world and then other people with the same issue will find them I have a tech support issue it's RCS related okay so this phone has RCS on it which phone is this this is the galaxy s25 ultra and I have AT&T and I

use Google messages so it should work perfectly with RCS and RCS chats is turned on and connected on this phone. When I send a message to someone with RCS, it starts to try to send for a while, and then it says, it's pending, it'll send when the recipient is online, and then a couple minutes later it goes, the recipient was never online, so I sent an SMS instead. Does the recipient have an iPhone or an Android?

Both, this has happened with both. What is their carrier? So Andrew, what's your carrier? I'm T-Mobile. You're T-Mobile. So it says RCS chat with Andrew. T-Mobile. Test, send.

It says, I'm gonna try to send an RCS and it will stay there and you haven't gotten a text yet, right? No. I hit send. I am in airplane mode, so maybe that's. So when I hit this, it says, message delivers when Andrew is online, but it never gets there and it just stays

and the person will not get my text until it auto backs up to SMS, or I just hit switch to SMS and then it sends you an SMS. So this, you will not get this text. I have a dumb question. Have you tried turning it off and on again? Yes, I have tried turning it off and on again. I have tried disabling it on one phone and then enabling it on a different phone. I think my issue is I have tried turning it off and on again. I have tried disabling it on one phone

and then enabling it on a different phone. I think my issue is I have switched phones so many times and then when I switch phones, I don't like turn RCS off on one phone and then turn it on on the other phone. And I think that might be messing with it because as of this particular phone, I have like two RCS chats that are working

and the rest all don't work and they're backing all of them to SMS and Andrew, you will not get that test. I just got other text messages. Yeah, so you're not gonna get it until, wait, see this? Switch to SMS, you're gonna get it in like two seconds now because it's just a regular SMS. So there you go.

Can you try with me? It's funny because it still says RCS chat with Andrew. Yeah, and it still thinks it's an RCS chat. Wait, it says you're typing right now. Yeah. Which is probably the other one. Yeah, but it will never go through. Because I think you're onto something, though, because my this is like a known thing when you leave iMessage, where your numbers

kind of tied up on the online service or whatever. I think it's because you're switching between Android phones that also now have this RCS enabled. That would be my guess. I think the jibed servers are like being pulled from one phone that isn't this phone. And so some other phone somewhere is logged in as RCS. It's probably right in the closet.

Well, the thing is, if I go boot up those other phones, they all say they're signed out. So even though this is the only one that says it's signed in, I think other phones are still getting these messages. Yeah, that sounds about right. Can you go into your Google account and sign out other accounts? Sign out of RCS, I don't know. You can go... Yeah.

You can sign out of your Google account. There was a bug when I was testing the Pixel 9, where I was trying to get RCS to work and it was not working, and it was because I had not turned RCS off on an old phone or something, and then it wouldn't re-register it on the new device. I think that's where I'm at right now. So if anyone else is watching this video and has had the same issue and found a fix to it,

please let me know. I will be trolling through the comments, digging between all of your hot takes about wired audio and iPhones. You want an answer, but you already said everyone off on something else. Protocols. That seems super niche because you switch phones so much, but if that does occur to someone making a change

and their old phone is broken or whatever and they can't go back, that's a significant issue. It's been a month of me not being able to chat with people in RCS on this phone. So every time you send someone a message, you then have to go in and like, you basically have to send twice. And then hit the text and then go switch to SMS

and now you're gonna get my text. Marcus, have you heard of WhatsApp? I've heard of it and I don't wanna go down that road. I just, yeah. So yeah, we'll see if anyone hits me up in the comments. We're gonna have to take one more quick break. We do have crown and clown after we get back, but before we get back, let's do trivia.

Trivia. All right, so what is wrong with Marques's phone? That's the question, no I'm joking. When was AirDrop announced? You will get one point for the year, two points for the month and the year. Oh. Yeah. Three points for the day.

Three points for the day, sure, why not? Let's do it. Four points for the announcer. Five points for the hour. Actually, I will give you four points if you can guess the announcer. Six points, Shaq. Six points if you can tell me what they ate for lunch

before they announced it. All right, we'll think about it. We'll be back after the break. This would be the wildest way for me to come back. Ha ha ha. This episode is brought to you by Samsung Galaxy. Ever captured a great night video only for it to be ruined by that one noisy talker? With audio erase on the new Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra, you can reduce or remove unwanted

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aka the crown, and what is the worst thing that happened this month, aka the clown. The trick is we all need to agree on what the crown and the clown is. So we have to convince each other of what it is. Yes. And we're going to attempt to be more organized this month. Attempt. Attempt. The keyword. An attempt was made. Let's just say that. Yes. So we're trying to be persuasive here. Yes. Yeah. Let's do crowns first.

Yeah. Make your case. Who wants to go first? I will. Okay. This is for crown. Okay. Crown. Yeah. I think that my crown is that we did our first live waveform show. That's... Oh. We did. We sure did. Damn. That's good. It's really hard to go against that one. It first live waveform show. That's, oh. We did. We sure did. We sure did. Damn, that's good. It's really hard to go against that one.

It was a good time. Damn it, David. That's a good one. That is funny because my crown comes from that. Ooh. But I do want to appreciate that it went really well. Sorry. That was an alarm.

David, wake up. I just wake up. I did not know what to do. The whole thing was an alarm. Yeah, maybe to wake up. I just wake up. I just rocked up to the whole house. The whole thing was a dream. Again? Welcome to the podcast. What? What?

No, that is a good one. So my crown comes from that. It's not exactly that, but I do want to appreciate that we did do that. It went really well. It was a good time. It gave me ideas about other ways that we could do that in the future, which is exciting.

If we decide to go that route at some point, could be fun. Shout out to everyone who was there. Shout out to the questions. We did publish that as well. If you guys listen to that, I think that's pretty cool. Yeah.

So what is yours that comes out? Yeah, you should do it because. Okay, sure. My crown, I keep having to think and make sure I say the right word, is Gemini Live with access to your camera launching in the last month. I have been using this a lot more than I thought I would.

So Gemini Live is a conversational Gemini where you pull up that like full screen thing, whatever it has access to your screen and then you can give it access to your camera. You open up the camera and you can just ask it about your surroundings and point it at stuff and ask it about what it's pointed at. It has not missed once. Do it to us. Yeah, ask it about us. All right, let's do it. We're supposed to be looking at the camera. So what do you see here?

It looks like you're in a podcast studio. Are you getting ready to record a new episode? Yeah, I'm about to record this episode with these two people here. Is there anything you think I should ask them? That's awesome. Since you're podcasting with two people, you could explore the dynamic of their relationship.

Ask them how they first met or what it's like working together. It often leads to interesting stories. Now here's what's fun. I want you to tell me about these headphones he's wearing. What are these? Those are Audio Technica ATHM 50X headphones. They're pretty popular in the audio world.

Known for their clear sound and color. It doesn't miss, dude. I've asked it about products. I've asked it about animals. Yeah, let's try it. That is crazy. What about my watch? Because it's what watch is this? And is any good? I'm wondering because this is like the Phoenix basically stole from the epics line and you confused it. Yeah, we asked it like one. Well, it's not very good. And it can't listen to people talking at the same time. I know our audience loves when we talk

over. German. I was just like, I will not partake yet. All right, let's try it. All right, so what is this watch and is it any good? That's a Gorman Fenix 7. It's a really popular high-end GPS watch known for its durability and tons of features. Do you have any specific activities in mind that you'd want to use it for?

No, but cancel that. I actually want you to tell me about this watch. I think it looks way cooler. What is this? Ah, that's a Casio AE1200WHD1A. It's a digital watch with a retro vibe. And yeah, it does look pretty cool. What? Are you thinking about getting one?

This is modified. Mine was a Phoenix 9, by the way. That's crazy. With the screen off, I might about getting one? This is modified. Mine was a Phoenix 9 by the way. That's crazy. With the screen off I might look at it. This is like heavily modified to the point where you can barely tell that it's an AE 1200. That's crazy.

Yeah, I've pointed it at animals. It's told me about the animal. I've pointed it at products that like don't have labels on them and it just knows what they are. I've been just asking it like how to do things around the house. It's genuinely shocking how useful it is. I don't actually have that many things I need to do with it

but I just keep finding reasons to use it because it's that good. This is my crown for the month. I think people should try it if they have it on their phone. You do need a subscription. It's really good, try it out. Wow, yeah. That is interesting.

I'm impressed. I'll do mine. I don't think it's as good as either of these so I'm not doing a good job at convincing but I do think it will be appreciated in here Android 16 is going to let all pixel phones use fingerprint unlock when the screen is off And this will be going back to old pixels as well Wait, why finger because before you have to tap on the screen to wake it up

Screen up before you could use the fingerprint unlock under a screen. That's specific. Okay, that's interesting. I remember one time you saying one of the things you really liked about the Samsung phones is that you can unlock them while the screen is on. And that's because they use ultrasonic fingerprint readers that don't need to light up the screen to see your finger. On the ones with optical fingerprint readers

under the display, what they do is they light up a little area, and then when you press that area, then it shines a bright white light just on your finger. And there are some phones that don't do that. So just making them all do that is great. Is this one you don't have like always on display or something?

Yeah, I think it's whether you have always on or not. I think a lot of these phones understand that people just want to unlock it right away. And so they'll have a little area indicator of where to press, but some of them don't have that area. So you're saying Android 16 is going to make all of them that have an under display fingerprint reader tell you where to press.

And then when you press it, it'll unlock. Pixel phones currently require the screen to be on for the fingerprint scanner to function. Thankfully, this limitation will be addressed in the upcoming Android 16 update for pixel and that they tested in settings security and privacy Device unlock face and fingerprint unlock fingerprint unlock There's now a slider for screen off fingerprint unlock and they said it also did work on their 6a and 7 Pro they were using the beta Wow Okay, which I've realized I didn't know was even a thing until I remember you mentioning it and I use it on my s24

All the time now. Yeah, I was gonna say I didn't know that was a thing because mine just does that but I think it's because I have always on display on so it is like oh your pixel does. Yeah, the screen never actually turns off Yeah, so there's always an area to like touch my finger and turn it on. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Nice. That's a good, it's a good feature. It's a good feature. And it's good that they're adding it back

and not pretending it can only happen in the newest phones. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Adam, do you have a crown? My crown was going to be, I had three, but I'm just gonna pick one because I thought it was gonna be pretty unanimous

and none of you guys picked it. So I'm gonna pick the top one. I'm going with the Pixel 9A. That came out this month. Did it? Did it? Oh, I got it. It got moved to April.

That's the thing about Pixel. Oh, that's fair. Yeah. All right, then I'll go to my backup. The Sigma BF. Ooh. Oh, wow. The Sigma boyfriend. That thing is so, I still can't stop thinking about it. It is completely impractical, but so cool.

The evolution of the coverage of this camera online has been so fun to watch because it started off as like, what is Sigma doing? They made this really weird camera with no card slot and it's also all metal and doesn't look ergonomic. And then it shifted to, yeah, this is kind of what Apple would have done if they made a camera.

It's really pretty and it is a Sigma camera and it's not that expensive. And then people got to, yeah, this is kind of what Apple would have done if they made a camera. It's really pretty and it is a Sigma camera and it's not that expensive. And then people got their hands on the camera and started shooting with it and using it because of all the attention. And suddenly it's like, okay, it doesn't have a viewfinder but it is kind of fun to shoot with. And it does have a couple decently useful features.

And suddenly it's like, this is kind of a friendly, like fun camera. And the pictures are good. And the pictures are solid. So it's like, it went from being a friendly, like fun camera. And the pictures are good. And the pictures are solid. So it's like, it went from being kind of novelty and a quirky, weird headline to suddenly an option for people to actually buy in the last couple months. Can't really use it outside when it's bright outside.

Yeah, no viewfinder, no card slot. It still has weird quirks. No articulating screen. Yeah. Yeah. But it's so freaking fast. And also those the eye series lenses, they're super affordable and feel insanely premium. Yeah. And also affordable is still a few hundred dollars.

But in the lens world, it's super affordable. Come on. Yeah. Yeah. We talk about here. So that's my cool. That's my if you said the silver version, I would agree with you, but you left it vague. So silver is also really hard to film especially outside It looks so I like personally I like looking at the silver one more I think it's beautiful, but if I were to buy one, I probably would just get really Sam I'm not walking around with that giant silver block hanging around

I would only buy that if I wanted everyone to see that I had it so I would buy the silver one were hanging around my room. I would only buy that if I wanted everyone to see that I had it. So I would buy the silver one. Imagine putting this on. You say that. I think that's where I started when I was looking at this camera.

I was like, oh, there's a black one, but you have to get the silver one. That's the whole point of this camera. Now I'm like, if I was really gonna shoot with this. Yeah, if you were actually gonna buy it. I'll get the black one. Yeah. I get the silver.

Silver, team silver. You're both wrong, it's fine. Interesting. Okay. I think the image quality is so good. So our crown options are our first South by Southwest success. Gemini live looking through your camera. Um, Android 16 fingerprint, fingerprint unlock, fingerprint unlock toggle. And thank you, David. And Sigma BF mirrorless camera. How about we do this?

We know the winner is all voting for ourselves at South by Southwest. So let's pick the second winner. I agree with you. Okay, that's a good thing to do. That's why I was like, damn it, David. I would pick actually useful AI in your phone. I think that's gotta be it.

I would pick that too. Damn, I was gonna stick with my Sigma BF, but I guess I'm outvoted I think I'll go I think the AI is the most useful and the most Reasonable for most of our listeners to cool my heart wants to take this Is that's what I do. I do your heart leads This is yeah, the sigma BF and the GFX Leonard RF had like that was my third option Oh, yeah, they had very intense conversations online The VABF and the GFX 100 RF had like very... That was my third option. Oh yeah.

They had very intense conversations online. And we don't get that intensive a conversation, especially about a camera that often. I think especially the VABF had even more conversations. And who really convinced me about it was Viren at the Verge. Oh yeah. He posted his videos and his pictures.

I was like, oh man. His photos are amazing. In the hands of someone who's capable, this thing was doing work. Yeah, his photos are awesome. I might actually switch to the BF. Oh, let's go. Mon Marques.

Considering Adam voted for the AI. We've been getting the Gemini, it's been slowly being upgraded continuously for so long. Can I ask you a question? How often are you using it? And can you give me a few examples of how you're using it? slowly being upgraded continuously for so long. Yeah. Can I ask you a question? How often are you using it? And can you give me a few examples

of how you're using it? Because that's always mine. Sure, I pointed it at a bird in my yard the other day and I said, what is that? And it told me what kind of bird it was because it looked kind of weird and I was like, what kind of bird is this? Did you fact check that?

I think I Googled that name of a bird later and it was right. Okay. That bird is uranium-53. I pointed it at a, okay, so it doesn't have to be pointed at one thing. I scanned the entire room of all the gym equipment and then asked me what can I do with this equipment

and it told me a bunch of different workouts with all the different things that it's seen. What kind of smoothie can I make with this gym equipment? Yeah, so like you know the demo when you have the glasses on and look at something and it tells you what to make from those ingredients, you can just point it at four or five things and then ask it the question and it will do it.

Can it do multimodal on your screen? Like it can see what's on your screen. It can see what's on your screen. Can you open it right now and ask you why your RCS messages aren't going through? Ooh, whoa. If it solves that, I think it's automatic winner right now. Yeah, that's an automatic winner.

Okay. There we go. There's zero chance. I don't know. Also, is this the Sigma boyfriend or the Sigma Becca Versace? Let's try this. So you can see this screen

with a text message conversation. The message is not delivering, and I think it's an RCS issue. Can you tell me what the problem is? Okay, I see what's going on. The message says message delivers when David is online and there's a button to switch to text SMS slash MMS. That means you're trying to send a message using RCS but David isn't online or doesn't have RCS enabled. If you switch to SMS slash MMS it'll send as a regular text message. wrong. So here's the thing, David does have RCS and so do I, so there must be some other

issue. I don't really want try restarting your phone. I don't really want to restart my phone. I also have tried that before. Well, OK, I understand. All right, secret. We're pretty far from AGI, my friend. I don't know. Now I'm in on the air. It tried. Valently tried. I can see thatGI, my friends. I don't know, now I'm in on the air. It tried, it tried. It valiantly tried.

I can see that you have a problem. I can see that. In its defense, none of us could figure it out. I understand why that might upset you. I've also pointed it at a YouTube video and it read the title of the video and told me what the video would be about, so I didn't have to watch it.

Was it about that? That's terrible. That's right. Yeah, but it's just, it's good at a lot of things. That's all I'm saying. How does it handle clickbait that's terrible. That's right. Yeah. But it's just- We're not gonna go under. It's good at a lot of things. That's all I'm saying. How does it handle clickbait that's not about what the title is? Cause it knew the video. It didn't just look at the title, it knew the video. Whoa, really? Yeah.

So there's just a lot of things. Matter of fact, I want to pull up this drone deliveries video we just did and see if it can tell me what this is. While you do that, there is someone on, I think, Twitter who's been replying to our auto posts about the video going live and it at a bot that does exactly this and it'll take the video as a summarize it in like a paragraph or two so I've got it on my screen right now right people just want don't want to tell me what this YouTube

video is about that's why I watch it to X speed that looks like Marques Brown these video about the truth of drone deliveries. Did you have any questions about it? What was his conclusion? His conclusion was that while drone delivery is technically impressive, it's not as practical or widespread as some people think. He pointed out limitations like battery life,

weather restrictions, and regulations that make it difficult to implement on a large scale. That's both right and wrong. Yeah, that's a good guess. Also, many people in our Indian audience have told us that drone delivery is actually quite popular in India, which is in all of India because India is huge. I would not know. There are some countries that were coming to the top of the comments. Ghana is another one that was like, yeah, we do that a lot here.

Yeah. Anyway, if I can't sway you guys on that, I could switch to Sigma. I think we might have to go Sigma BF. All right. Is the crown. All right, Sigma BF's crown. Sigma, of course it's gonna take. Now we'll do our clown of the month of March, 2025.

Anyone wanna take first dibs? First, first takers. Adam's going, okay. Yeah. So have you guys seen the Saratoga watch guy? Dude, clown for sure. No. Crown. No, how is that a crown? Because he, I've never seen a post.

You have to explain this. I've never, yeah. What is it? First of all, what is the video? So it's like a video of a guy who's getting up at like three or four in the morning. You have to explain this. You have to explain this. I've never, yeah. What is it? First of all, what is the video? So it's like a video of a guy who's getting up at like three or four in the morning. I think it's like three in the morning or something like that. And he's going through his like epic morning routine, but there's always Saratoga water

in the shot or he's using it for like dumping his face in it with ice or something like that. And he's drinking it. The stock rose like 17% just off of this guy going viral or something. Maybe the YouTubers do have an effect on the stocks. This was one of those cringy daily routine videos that this guy, I wanna find out what his name was.

Ashton Hall. Ashton Hall, he does a bunch of these, and this is a whole genre online, but it's basically picture the stereotypical guy who wakes up at 3.30, dumps his face in ice water, does a workout, takes some work calls, has a whole day done by noon, eats healthy food, does everything perfectly and you're like,

wow, okay, whoop, you do this guy's tits. This guy's doing this most unrealistic thing ever. To me, it's a crown, clearly, for two reasons. Okay. Turned me into this pool. One, this guy is self-aware and is playing into it and is successfully getting a lot of views. I have never seen a post on Twitter get 600 million views

What? Until this one. Are you sure that's real and not just like impressions? Well, I've never seen 600 million impressions on Twitter either. This says it's up to 742 million. I've never seen anything get that many. And two, because now everyone's talking about it

and the company, which let's be honest, is probably associated with him in some way, is getting a lot of free and I don't know that he is. I don't think they are. I think it's just like, I think he just picked a water that's like a more, like it's a water that makes no sense to brush your teeth with and wash your face with. It's expensive water.

It's like nice. For reference, this is super niche to know this and to be a Top Chef watcher. But for like 20 seasons, Top Chef was sponsored by San Pellegrino, which is I'm sure a bottled water comes in. The last two or three seasons, now their big sponsored by San Pellegrino, which is I'm sure a bottled water company you've heard of. The last two or three seasons, now their big sponsorship is Saratoga Spring Water,

which is this. What this guy has done for Saratoga Spring is 10X what Top Chef has ever done for this. And they're spending hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars. Agreed, and now everyone's parodying it too. And they're buying the same water through the parody videos.

That is a huge crown as well. My thing is, I know that now he's definitely aware of it and they're buying the same water to the parody videos. That is a huge crown as well. So. My thing is, I know that now he's definitely aware of it and he's capitalizing on it. I'm thinking back to how this started. Did he do this intentionally? Or did he just have the water there while going through a real legit morning routine?

I'll let you in on a little secret. There. Oh God, oh God. Remember when I told you guys there's like tons of different genres on YouTube? Like there's the Apple unboxing YouTube channel, there's the, you know, every little... There's the I Only Modify Classic Porsches YouTube channel. There are also lots and lots of inspirational YouTubers who just do routine videos. This is my makeup routine, this is my morning routine. If you go on YouTube, you will find endless of these videos.

And as that got more and more popular, you got more and more extreme versions of it, the Huberman versions of this, where they're just like, I wake up at three o'clock in the morning and I write down my daily affirmations and I do an hour of yoga and then I do a cold plunge and then I eat my second breakfast. And then I do a cold plunge, and then I eat my second breakfast, and then I do walk.

Like that's a real genre of YouTube, is unrealistic, unrealistic daily routine videos. This one happened to catch fire and go viral, but I will tell you now, it is not unlike many hundreds of others that I unfortunately have seen. This guy found just the right combination of parody and Self-awareness to be like does this guy really think that this is realistic?

like I think he nailed this video and that's how we got 700 million views in a week and why we're all talking about it and I think everyone else in this genre on YouTube is like, damn, this guy got it. I think there's a 50-50 of this, of I think he does do a lot of inspirational stuff, but is going in on the meme, because there's a part where he wipes his face down with a banana peel. Nobody does that and doesn't think this is gonna go viral. I think he turned parts into parody, for sure.

And then he posted a picture of his shopping cart, it was just like Sarah total spring water and bananas. It's like you all know what this is Yeah, I think there was not one second that this guy wasn't like thinking how can I make this get a lot of views? Okay, because he's made a lot of these in the past So you think this was like premeditated? I think so and I think he I think that is why it's like it's more of a crown than a clown I guess my opinion will never know but if if that's the case, I'll agree Yeah, I don't know. It seems like this trend needs to go away already. That's where I'm at It'll be gone by the time it's gonna be a meme for like three weeks. Probably Anyway, what was your guys clowns? Okay

There's two real big ones that I know will be said that are. You guys thinking that that video matters. Does someone want to go next? I have a clown. Okay. My clown is the Dodge Charger EV. Oh. It's a, we've talked about this.

It's the electric car was thinking about that. We've talked about this. It's the electric car that makes lots of loud noises like a gas car, but isn't as fun. Yeah. That one. Yeah. Yeah, that's my clown. It's a pretty good one.

Yeah. Only 240 miles of range. Do you want to go or do you want me to go? 86 grand for a charger. 86. Come on. But it makes a fun noise. Need I go on?

I think you should go, because I'm still thinking. Okay, I think there's two pretty big stories, and one of them is 23andMe going bankrupt and selling all of our DNA data to the highest bidder. Feels like a giant clown. Wait, did they sell it already? Not yet. They haven't sold it. But it's up for sale, and that's...

That's a problem. Feels... I should delete my account. Yeah, that feels super bad. Not yet. They haven't sold but it's up for sale and that's Feels Yeah, that's feel super bad. I think there are some articles out there on how to like Get as much as you can off of that as possible But it you know sending your DNA into one of those from the start didn't ever seem like a good idea and now it kind of but counterpoint I

Was it was cool. I was 18 and I thought that the tech industry was not gonna become what it is Google saying don't be evil don't be evil. I think my clown is that I was not able to make it to the Atmosphere conference this last weekend, which is the AT Protocol's first conference for Blue Sky. Happened in Seattle. Leave it up to you to somehow turn this into David's I was so on brand duck and prawn. Social way. Couldn't make it to Seattle in time.

You were willing to make yourself the clown. Yeah. Yeah. I vote for that. Actually, I was the clown because I bought one of those insanely cheap tickets that you cannot change. And I only found out about the conference so that I could go after I bought the tickets.

And I would have had to pay $1,000 to get it. That is clown-worthy. You hate to see it. Clowning my sling. When you are flying United by any chance? Yeah, you reminded me of another clown. I guess we'll always take the opportunity to clown on a airline.

There is a story, I don't know if you saw this, I guess we'll always take the opportunity to clown on a airline. There is a story, I don't know if you saw this on Twitter apparently, and this was corroborated. There was a flight that took off from LA on the way to China and then two hours into the flight it turned around and flew back to San Francisco because the pilot forgot his passport and I just want to be a fly on the wall for the moment that he had to announce that to everyone because he flew for two hours. And I just want to be a fly on the wall for the moment that he had to announce that to everyone because he flew for two hours. Everyone thought, all right, time to post up, relax, chill.

And then the plane starts doing that like turnaround thing and starts going back and I had to go, hey, hey everybody, we got to, yeah, that must have been the worst in-flight announcement of all time. The thing too is that you can't say, you can't like cover it up and say there's something wrong because you're already over the Pacific Ocean.

You're gonna front everyone out. And for the next two hours, and when they landed and everybody got off the plane, they all just went, and everyone got a $15 meal voucher that was there. Hey, hey, this is it. Two meal vouchers. Sorry, two $15 meal vouchers, which is for sure better than one.

Yeah, so I'm gonna say United Airlines or at least that pilot in that moment qualifies for the clown. Bummer town. It's gotta be. Who among us has not forgotten our passport though, let's be real. I did once.

Exactly. Really? Luckily I had enough time, and this is extremely rare, to go back home, get it, and go back to the airport. I had the same thing happen. It crazy yeah what was I going to say I don't remember so yours is flight related clown mine is a flight related clown yeah yeah but the AT protocol conference did happen it's called the atmosphere conference I think it's super cool and I will be the next one. As long as I don't buy a cheap ticket.

Annual? Hopefully. You gotta wait another year? Yeah. How about, oh, how about the Pixel 9a? That was supposed to come out. That was pretty, so that's pretty fair. The thing is we're never gonna find out why.

Right? Yeah, they said a potential component issue. Which could be any of the components. To be fair, it's better to delay a product if you've caught something early than to release it and have it go wrong. Yeah, we don't know how careful they're being. We don't know if it's like, hey, 10 of them exploded,

or if it's like, oh, one of the vibration motors was a little bit weird and we had to replace them all. It's like, I have no idea what severity of the issue is, but they've addressed it before shipping or taking pre-orders, and I think that's actually a good thing. But yeah, we don't know what the thing is. Yeah.

Yeah. I think it's selling our DNA to the highest bidder. Selling our DNA. But they haven't done it yet. Yeah. They're trying. Oh, they will. Yeah.

I need to delete my data. Everyone on here should look that up. I did an ancestry.com one a long time ago and ever since then they have consistently emailed me anytime someone gets added to my family tree, meaning someone else takes a test and it turns out they're related to me. Yeah, in any way.

And sometimes it's someone that I know. It's like my dad's cousin or something and it'll be like, oh, you're your dad's cousin. I'm like, oh, super cool. I got one the other day that said, second cousin once removed. And I don't know what that means. So I just archived it and moved on.

My crown is that I thought I had to unplug and replug my car in, but when I unplugged it, it was already at 95%. Nice. Oh, you're good. Best thing that happened all month. Imagine if your car had a frat sonic exhaust. Clown?

A frat sonic chambered exhaust. 126 decibels. Ooh. Rumbles your car from the inside. Are the speakers good? No. But they're loud. I love how competitive Marques is.

He just lost the crown vote by a hair. I need this one. I'll vote for charger EV although I'm pretty sure it Hundreds of millions of personal data getting sold is pretty bad. I that's worse. That's I can't go for it until it happens as soon as it happens. I'll be on your side Yeah, but we have to give them the benefit of doubt All they did was follow bankruptcy and then every tech company went does that mean that X company could buy it? That would be horrible and it would, but it hasn't happened yet.

But if they're for sale, someone will. There's way too many tech companies building their random offshoot LLC or whatever so they can buy it without it just being like meta bought the 23 and made the personal data price. That would be the end times. Paint me a picture of what's the worst that could happen. I don't know enough about it.

They find your DNA, they give it to people you don't want them to give it to, and then they know everything about you. But it's not associated with me. It's your DNA. It's your DNA. It literally is your association. It wasn't the thing that it's not like,

individually associated with you. Yeah, but my question. That's what I thought was confusing. But my question that's confusing is like, then how do I log into my account and see my specific traits then? Because it, isn't that associated with the data. So what I thought was confusing about that. But my question that's confusing is, then how do I log into my account and see my specific traits then? Because it is not associated with- They're saying that I think you can see your traits,

but you can't see the data that is your DNA showing you the surface. They're surfacing information from the DNA that they analyzed. So people could, but the people they sold it to could see my traits. They could see your traits, probably. So then they know that I'm likely to grow back hair

Whatever it tells you they maybe can see that I don't even know if that's true, but I don't think they can see your Literal DNA why would that I don't know what do you have to hide in your dude? Look there are so many times in the tech industry where I thought that it couldn't be that bad and every time it's even worse That's just I just you know Somebody bought my DNA. What's the worst? Mark is really trying to win this charger EV Here's an article what's here's the worst that could happen if your DNA data is exposed. Here it goes, eyes open.

23andMe's bankruptcy has some consumer advocates warning customers of the DNA testing company to delete their accounts. Here's why. Da da da da da. I just took a DNA test, turns out 23andMe went and sold my DNA. Chapter 11 doesn't change how its storage regards its data.

Any buyer will have to comply by law. The problem is the applicable laws are incomplete and don't cover this emerging industry. For example, employers can't make hiring decisions based on genetic test results. Yet. God. That's a good law.

But the law has nothing to say about applying genetic data to other forms of insurance, like life insurance. Boom. That's pretty bad. Dude. They're gonna charge me more for my car insurance because I grow back hair. Or like health insurance. I Or like, health insurance.

I feel like, it's wild that there's a lot of people listening to this podcast that'll be like, what do you mean by health insurance? What do you guys have to do over here? Yeah. Yeah, that seems like a pretty straightforward law. Will the health insurance thing? Cannot deny coverage based on genetic profile?

They'll find a way. They'll find a way. This feels like the little progressive thing you put in your car to see how you drive around, except now it's just my DNA for my health insurance instead. Before you drive away in this car, spit in this tube. Oh, your insurance went up. That's crazy.

I'll give you Marquez. What are you voting for? The FratSonic chamber exhaust. All right. I think that's the worst thing that happened this month. I really think it's worse. Have you heard this car drive by 126 decibels of seriously, dude, every time?

Does the car sell your DNA to insurance companies? Doesn't say it doesn't. Worse. It loops an MP3. It tells everyone that you drive by exactly who you are. Oh. You know? Mic drop.

I'm just saying. We will let the comment section vote. How about that? I don't. We're gonna have to figure something out how to get the tie-breakers work. This segment being we all have to agree, really threw it and made it hard.

This version of the segment was already the most polished out of all the ones we've done so far. I thought we were democratic around here. Why aren't we just democratic? All right, so I'm going Fratzog. Are you going Fratzog? No. Are you going Fratzog?

Are you going fratzog? Are you going fratzog? Are you going fratzog? Over 23 and me potentially. Okay. Here's what I'll say. Okay, I'm gonna go the Daytona Oh my god, specifically because nothing bad has happened yet. That's also my life. I understand politics so much better now. Yeah, this is always what happens behind closed doors. Yeah. Yeah the April clown could be catastrophic, but much better now. Yeah. This is always what happens behind closed doors. Yeah. Yeah. Um. The April clown could be catastrophic. Yeah. But here we are in March.

Nothing's happened yet. It's like, you know what? It's Mark has like, you know what? It hasn't happened yet. Next one. Exactly. April clown. Um.

United Helms, Malone's, 23andMe. So yeah, I think that's my only logical argument. Cool. Here we go. Yeah. I agree. Okay. Three and me. So yeah, I think that's my only logical argument. Here we go. Yeah. I agree. Okay, hell yeah. What the f***?

Join us on the logical train, David. I don't know about this. This is more like the jury duty that just wants it to be over with. In fact, you should be happy that they went bankrupt because they were gonna do some crazy things with that information anyway. So they're bankrupt.

That's great. They haven't yet. They were actually doing some pretty cool things, but I disagree. Cool. Okay, let's true. Oh no. They were actually doing some pretty cool things, but that's the point. Cool. Okay, let's. Yes, we got them. Ladies and gentlemen, we got them.

What better time to do the trivia? Oh my God. All right. And erasers. This is running a little long probably, but it's fine, it's fine. We'll fix it in post. So question, oh actually first, quick update on the score, because I forgot to do it last fine. That's fine. We'll fix it in post. So question Well, actually first quick update on the score because I forgot to do it last week

Marquez don't tell me with 13. Okay Andrew With six. Okay, David carrying the two with 15. All right. Good. Here we go I did think I was ahead by two. Yeah question one Which of these games was not available on the PS1? A, Gran Turismo, B, Crash Bandicoot, C, Final Fantasy,

D, Call of Duty World at War, or E, all of these were available on the PS1? Oh, doop, doop, doop, doop. were available on the PS1. Flip them and read. What do we got? Oh, God. Okay. We are all on the same page here. No, we're not. Oh, that's not the same? No, it is the same. Oh, are are we it is the same. Yeah, there's an e. Sorry. Okay. Yeah, we also I said D You said Call of Duty you said David is right. We all said D for call of duty. I said yeah

All right. Hey, oh, was it that easy? I thought that was I was torn between C and D I'll pick D because all the other game out on PS 2 so I thought that might trip Yeah, but Call of Duty feels newer than all those other games Call of Duty World of Wars the second one also. Yeah, that's Kind of what I was hoping did the first one come out on ps1. The first one was on no PC only I played it on the computer computers back then. What's a computer? Question two was airdrop announced. Mm-hmm airdrop, I gotta think about this one.

AirDrop, so they had- You will get one point for the year, two points for the month, three points for the month, day, and year, four points if you could tell me all of that, plus who announced it here. Who announced it? Yeah. Oh, the guy.

Yeah. Or the person. The person that announced it. Actually, I'll just make each of those things one point. Wait, hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm still writing. Can you do it again? No, flip them and read, David.

David, David. Okay. Who wants to go first? Okay, so my logic is like- Wait, I'm such a- They had to have things to airdrop between, so I kind of tried to pick like right after the iPad came out and me-

Shoot! So I said- Sorry, continue. right after the iPad came out. And that was one. So I said, I went July, 2010 just to be summer 2010. And I said it was JAWS. I'm so stupid. Unfortunately, you only got one point. Okay. The year. The month.

It was July. It was July. All right, my logic was my marker ran out of ink and I did not have a lot of time So I wrote three things down very quickly 2013 no March right I know is really no there were the 17th as who announced it I thought we were guessing the day also. Well, yeah, if you wanted to

Know Okay, look I have to preempt this I Didn't mean what I wrote But I guess I'm gonna have to lay it out there. Okay, what is a clown on me? said iOS 5 Not a date Yeah, okay Now I'm like, oh

2011 Now I'm like, oh 2011 but what I wrote 2007 was 2011 Thought iPhone and I wrote 2007 but I meant to write 2000 that's unfortunate. I hate myself was that I was five, right? I don't know. Yeah, I'm a god. Okay, so I wrote June but June but my you never wrote who announced it I was also gonna write jaws, but I didn't but What you ate for breakfast that morning? Was definitely a Scrambled eggs with the word Tata

I want a put I want to position for a point for being the closest in date But I'll let it slide. Can anyone give me a point for knowing it was 2011 but not writing it No The correct answer Yeah, give us the correct answer it was July 20th 2011 Announced by Phil Schiller. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Mr. IOS five, right? Seven. Seven. According to Andrew. AirDrop. Well, according to Google's AI overview. I assumed it was a dub dub reference, which is why I went with the summer. I'm pretty sure that's wrong. Paid off. No matter what, I am one point closer to David and that's all that matters here at the end of the day.

Thank you for watching and listening. This is probably our rambliest, craziest episode in a while. But that's just how it goes sometimes. We don't have Ellis to rein us in. Yeah, sometimes we don't have Ellis to rein us in and we just go absolutely nuts. And now the comments are flaming me about lossless audio and that's okay.

Thanks for watching and listening. Catch you guys next week. Peace. Goodbye. Wait for us produced by Adam Malina and Ellis Rubin. We're part of the Fox Media Podcast Network and Attractor of Music was created by Vane Sil. Bingo.

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