Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Framework Laptops and a Robot Cleaner?

Episode Date: July 31, 2026

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David kick things off by talking about the new Apple leasing program. After that, they get into everything from the new Framework laptop to humanoid robot cleaning services. They wrap it all up by playing a game of Keyword Search! Enjoy. Links: DC Rainmaker - Garmin Cirqa update Apple leasing program MKBHD - Framework 13 Pro review Elektrek - Volvo discontinuing LiDAR Verge - Playstation Blackout Tau Robotics This episode brought to you by: Framer: https://www.framer.com/waveform Follow us on socials: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Me. Wow. You guys really do listen. Sharks came before fire. That's not bad at a hole. Do you know that? Do you know lightning hit things inside on fire? I learned this on Reddit, so asterisk.

Asterisk. What is up, people of the internet. Welcome back to another episode of the Wayform podcast. We're your host. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. I'm David. So not a ton of news this week, but we still have plenty to talk about.

In today's episode, we're going to talk about Apple's new leasing program, some framework laptop thoughts. Video viewers have already picked that up. Volvo discontinuing LIDAR in all of their cars. And a pretty insane-looking robot cleaning service that hit our Twitter feeds this week. And then we'll wrap it all up with a game. But first, before or before did they even test this, LeBron or the Sixers? That is right.

Dude, I thank you to everyone. Figured you want to chime in, Ellis. All weekend, my mentions were blowing up with people being like, what do you think? I came here first. Thank you for thinking of me. I feel like I was honored to be the one to break the news to you. Oh, can you tell that story? I remember, where was I?

I think I just was walking back across the studio, and I checked my phone, and I saw that LeBron had posted a video. And it was like a two-minute video on Instagram. And I was like, well, if LeBron's trolling with two-minute videos on Instagram while everyone's waiting for his decision, that's pretty crazy. So I scroll to the end of the video, and it's just a slow-mo Sixers logo. And I was like, oh, so this is it. And so I walk up to you and I go, Ellis, it happened.

Ellis goes, whoa, wait a second. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold on because he doesn't, you don't want to be duped, you know. You've been saying it for a while. But it turned out it was true. It was true. Yeah.

No, I couldn't have gotten. It was actually awesome because you were like, LeBron made his decision. And then you didn't tell me what. And it's like, oh my God, this is perfect. But I just want to say, I feel like we're going to have a lot of new Sixers fans because of this. A lot of people, and I'm so stoked, feel free to bandwagon where we, the more the

merrier in Sixers Nation. However, and this is part of the reason this feels so good. This is the most chaotic team you could possibly root for, which is part of the fun. In the last like four years, we've seen. players appendix rupture right before the playoffs. We've had players get hit by cars randomly and get taken out of series. Almost every single player we've ever passed up on has won a championship, including two in the past six months, Landry Shamet and McHale Bridges.

This is like a fan base where every possible thing that could go wrong goes wrong. And so the fact that we ended up with the goat, I just, the story writes itself. The process. The process. The process is the greatest story ever told. It does feel like if, I don't know how many people play NBA 2K, but if you play my career, you'll play to the end of the season. And then you start a new season and you, they kind of like hit shuffle on all the

rosters. And so you'll start playing and gaming and be like, oh, that's right. There's just like random people that are on different teams now to simulate like a couple offseason trades. And that's kind of how this feels. Like LeBron in a Sixers jersey, that doesn't seem right. But I guess it's real. What it's more that it's like what makes it even crazier story is like we've had this we have this executive for a long time in darrell moore that's like the guy who essentially picks who is on your basketball team and he constantly was making these bets on players that didn't pay off and people were sort of like is this this guy really know what he's doing we're not really sure he is this good rep but the team's never really that good and then we fire him and we hire this new guy named mike gansy we're like okay you know mike gansy his first off season let's see how he does and immediately gets jaylin br

Brown and LeBron James. It's like, oh my goodness. Chips are in. So, yeah, this year is going to be so much fun. I'm not making any predictions. I was just about to ask for a prediction. I can't. I can't make any predictions.

All I'm saying is that as someone who has been on this ride for quite some time now, seen extreme highs and extreme, so many debilitating lows. Boy, this is such an exciting chapter. So welcome. Welcome all new Sixers fans. I even wore it. This is official Sixers merch. My friend Crystal, who listens to the podcast, instructed me that this loosely translates phonetically to Embed in Chinese.

I believe you? I want to Google Lens it just to make sure, but I'm just going to trust you on this one. I hope it does. Anyway. Wow, that's crazy, Nixon 5. So, before they even... You're the one that predicted this. Half of my tweets were like, Andrew was right.

Yeah, you did say that. That was quantity over quality. I've been saying that for weeks, and it just happened to land on the perfect timing. I take no credit. Don't look at my polymarket bets, but we do have it. Did they even test this?

And I'm excited for this one. What is it? Okay. You know how much I love Reddit and their new Reddit app. The new, oh, you hate the new Reddit app. He loves it. Yes. Yeah. You love it.

I've been getting these ads on the new Reddit app that make no sense. And I'm going to show it to you guys. Who wants to see this first? me. The ad makes no sense. So I've taken screen recordings because this happened to me multiple times. Okay.

And I have multiple. And I want David to describe when you press the play button what this looks like. Well, you're pressing play on the ad. Oh, auto plays? Well, sorry. I took a screen recording. Oh, I see, I see. Okay.

Okay. So there's an ad and it's like half the screen. And Andrew is scrolling down. Oh. He scroll. Oh. Oh. Okay.

Okay. So there's a large, large image where you have to scroll about four to five full swipes to show Mark has this. The video. I hate these types of it. No, I don't think it's on purpose. I think this is a bug. Can you guys see this?

It's very zoomed in, too, so it seems like a bug, yeah. It's for something called Ali Dog Food, and I've had it happen multiple times to me. Wait, only on that ad? It's only ever for this type. It's a couple different photos, but something about it, the photo is getting uploaded incorrectly to where the aspect ratio is probably, like, what, one by 10? 10. 6 by 24, but vertically. So 24 by 6.

It's just like super, super long and we'll take up the whole screen for multiple scrolls. And I can't figure out why it's only this ad and why it happens all the time. Yeah, intentional. Yeah, intentional, like a marketing thing that they did. That doesn't make you look at brand. That's so much worse. I don't know. If Reddit's allowing you to take ads that take up that much screen.

Oh, no, yeah. Bad on ready. It absolutely destroys. It destroys user experience, which is already destroyed because the Reddit app is dog water. It's horrible, yeah. I don't know.

This is clearly, and it's only for this ad because I do get other ones, but this happens to me probably once a day. I get this specific ad, and it just makes me scroll forever and ever and ever. And I'm really interested in this happens to anyone else. That might be like a hack that they found. You think the dog food company?

Yeah, like the dog food company is like, if we upload this video, in this aspect ratio, Reddit will not flag it, and it'll run, and it'll take up multiple scrolls. I actually believe that. Yeah. Yeah. Kudos to the marketing person. Although, this is one of those things where it just makes me really mad.

So, like, I don't, if the ad just makes me mad, why would I ever, ever purchase? I think once in a while, people who were scrolling when you get to that ad and it's like multiple scrolls, they'll tap it by accident instead of scrolling. And they end up on a website. And that looks like good page clicks, but that's just kind of. of like how Google Docs has the generate image button when you try and add a photo. And it's like, are we really generating images? Are we still just clicking the wrong thing? And you're getting false clicks on this.

Yeah. My other quick Reddit thing is, and I wonder if this happens to anyone else, if you look at your inbox for people who reply to comments on the Reddit app, it doesn't sync with the browser. And maybe that's an old Reddit thing. But if I get like three people replying to a comment and I look at all of them in the Reddit app, when I go onto my browser, I still have. those three notifications on the browser and vice versa. It's interesting. They definitely did

test that. They don't test anything except for how much money they can make to try an IPO. If they did or not. They already IPO. They've been on public for a while. Yeah. They're actually doing quite well. Not that we care, but they are. Damn it. Okay. You want to talk about the update to the Garwin Circa? Oh yeah. One really quick thing. They did through all of the feedback. It looks like they did add live heart rate monitoring in the app, which should have been a default in the first place. If you're not privy to this, it was last week we talked about Garmin's smart band that rivals the Fitbit Air and the Whoop.

And we got one in, right? Not yet. Not yet. We got the band that don't have the Garmin yet. Annoyingly. Wait, they shipped separately to me. So the actually band, so the band is separate from the module. I got an armband.

Oh, I see. I got a package from Garmin and I said, oh, finally we could test it. And I open it and it's just the arm bag. So I'm still waiting for it. Okay. But I'll test it. Interesting. Yeah.

$200, no subscription. So better than whoop. Anything's better than whoop. But not quite as good as a fit. I thought only Andrew was the hater. Now Dave was the hater too. I used both bro and like I don't understand the market for that product. When all these other products exist, Marquez would disagree with me.

I have found that one of the cardinal sense I've made in the past is by saying if it's not for me, it must be bad, but it does not. That's fair enough. That's fair enough. Yeah. There's some people that are hardcore whoop people. Yes, sir. I understand.

But yeah. But anyways, definitely test it. They were not, they were including live heart rate tracking only in the subscription version, but they took that off of that and is now in the free version. Do you think we did that? I think Desfit and DC Rainmaker probably did that because I'm sure they. Shout out to them. Yeah.

For, yeah. They're more influential in that space. In that space, They're like the goats of it. Yeah, love it. All right. So last week, we briefly mentioned the potential of a new Apple leasing program because it was a report from Bloomberg that had broken.

Turns out it was almost entirely correct. This has gone live as of, I believe, yesterday. So now Apple is calling this the Apple upgrade leasing program. It's pretty much what we thought prices start at $17.99 a month for iPhones. $1.99 a month for Apple watches. is 1199 month for iPads. Do not lease an iPad guys. You don't need to lease a freaking iPad.

And 25 bucks a month for Max. Now, the one thing that was different was that I believe Bloomberg had said that there would be no iPhone 17E in the program, but it is indeed in the program. I wanted to mention that I saw my first ever iPhone 17E in the wild yesterday. Interesting. Yeah. I do not know who that phone is for and who would buy it, but somebody did. That's fun.

Yeah. I've had, and I know you probably spend more time in, like, New York City than I do, but I think on airplanes and in airports, that's when I have the most wild phone sightings of just like, oh, that's the first one I've seen that phone. Usually. Yeah, where there's just a lot of people on their phones out. Yeah. And, yeah, that I don't know that I've seen a 17E or at least recognized it. Yeah.

It's harder to recognize. Yeah. Yeah, it's, well, it's one camera, so it's easy to see that part. It could look like a 7, though. One camera plus a MagSafe wallet? That's a 17E. I mean, it's also just, I think the shape is pretty recognizable.

Could be the 16e though, right? Well, sure. Yeah, true. Sure, any E device, I would say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, not any, whatever. Okay, we know we're talking about, 16 or 17. Yeah.

Separately, there was some speculation that, because 95 Mac found some code in the iOS 27 beta of a new restricted mode that kind of restricts the amount of things that you can do on the phone. And people were speculating that this was for the leasing program for people that missed their lease payments. Which would have been amazing. Wow.

That would have been so funny. It's such a bad thing to do. It would have been terrible, but it would have been so funny. Well, a lot of people reached out to Apple about this, and Apple confirmed that they're not going to stop your phone from having all its functionality if you don't pay its leasing. Just most of it. They'll, yeah, they'll just show up to your house and take your phone away from you. I haven't scrolled the fine print, but what does happen if you miss your payments?

Probably just charges you the full price of whatever. Yeah, probably just, yeah, something like that. Which I was going to say, I disagree. I think you should lease the iPad only. I think that makes complete sense for students. Does the Mac not make sense for that? I think a Mac makes the most sense. I mean, I haven't been in school in quite some time.

But when I was in college, a lot of the things that I needed to do was able to be done on an iPad. Able to be done and like want to do or easier to do or different. So specifically, I had chemistry homework that I had to do where it kept crashing in the browser on my computer, but I was able to submit on an iPad. That's incredibly specific. Very specific. This is also like 1995. Yeah, it was like way back in a day. I picture a lot of people who would ordinarily have been trying to save up and decide,

can I spend $700 on an iPad and get it done? Or should I just try to spend more and get a Mac? Now the Mac is more accessible via leasing. And hey, students are essentially financed anyway. So just add an iPad. If I have a semester or two where I'm just using the iPad, I'll just lease it. For an iPad? Screw it.

It's cheaper than buying it. Yeah, I think this is a way for people who were maybe going to try to stretch for an iPad to just get the Mac because it's cheaper. I mean, Apple's all about getting the Mac into as many hands as possible. I mean, all their stuff, but getting a Mac into young people's hands the way the Neo is. I think this gets it into way more students' hands. Adam, it's $288 for the, for 24-month lease. That's two years, right? Yeah, $12 a month.

You can't only do it for one semester. You have to lease it for 24 or 36 months. Oh, okay. So it needs to be two years. It's $12 a month and the minimum is two years. So $288 to lease the iPad Air. But if you can't, there it is $12. Look, I could kind of see this for the Mac.

I can kind of see this for a Mac. But for any other device, really, just like buy a much older thing. Because computers are expensive basically no matter what. So I kind of understand it for a laptop. But for a phone, you can buy, you can buy. and you can buy a three-year-old iPhone and it's still going to be really good still going to have software support

for another four years. You can buy that for $300 or less. The Mac to me is the only thing that really makes sense. The 14-inch MacBook Pro, which is a very expensive computer, becomes $39 a month for the 36-month lease.

$39 a month. That's very accessible. This is the most American thing possible. Don't worry. It's only... That's like when car salesmen are like, what are you looking to get out of here at? Oh, like $25,000.

No, no, no, no, like monthly payment. Yeah. That doesn't seem shady at all. Like cars, living spaces is always the debate is buy versus lease or rent or whatever you want to call it. So, yeah, this is America. This is America. It's through Klarna. It's through Klarna.

I recommend not doing this, but if you have to, I understand. Unless you're getting a cocktail. Klarna, your cocktails. Oh, yeah, true, true. Finally paid off my mojito. 70s and some years. Speaking of computers, Marquez, you've been. been reviewing the framework. Speaking of computers, yeah. So video viewers have seen this already,

but I have the framework laptop 13 pro in front of me. I reviewed it. I did the video. You guys can check that out. I just figured I would highlight that it's pretty great. Yeah, a lot of what people have been talking about is the new build quality and the new display, because those are the biggest new upgrades for what this is. But framework's been around for a while now, and they are very committed to this upgradable slash modular idea. And the motherboard in this computer can be purchased for an older Framework 13, like a 2021, 5-year-old Framework 13. And that will give it the faster I-O, the faster SSD speeds, faster RAM and all that stuff. Wow.

So they are, if you, basically my conclusion for the review is, I mean, this is still a kind of an expensive computer. Yeah, it's $3,100 up to like over $3,000. Yeah, for the max. So my conclusion was, the day that you buy it is the day that it will feel the least worth it. Right. zero. It feels the least worth it. But the longer you have it, the more it can feel like it is worth it. Because you can upgrade it. So like a MacBook Pro for the same price is a better computer,

I would say is pretty agreeable. But in two years, when the MacBook Pro is starting to get old, or maybe you wish you had more RAM or you wanted to change from a USBC port to an HTML port, whatever, you can actually do that on this computer. Or maybe you break part of it or spill it on part of it and you want to just replace this little piece of it. That is what makes it feel worth it. And that's why a framework exists. So this is pretty special for just that ability. Yeah. And it's pretty solid.

I think that makes sense. Like, we talk a lot about the integrated chips on, like, the MacBooks. And if you decided you wanted more RAM because you wanted to, like, run a local L-M model or something, you just can't do that with these computers. Like, you can't upgrade them at all. They're just like... I keep getting a pop-up this is again.

Oh. You just download more RAM? Yeah, it's like the model you buy, and these are not cheap computers, especially anymore, either after Apple Radio. their prices. You can't just get more RAM on this thing. So it's pretty cool if you're able to actually just upgrade the RAM in your laptop. I think that's great. It feels great. Build quality is fantastic. Feels really good. I actually love the like clear like bezel around it and getting to see some of the internals. Whatever the auto brightness on there is is weird. That is. It's really staggering and

it's very active, not in a good way, but yeah. Orange buttons. Typing experience. felt really nice. It's 80% of a MacBook Pro in a lot of ways, and way more modular, obviously. So that's what I kept saying in the video. And you're running Linux on it. And it's Linux, yeah. And I'm running Firefox today.

You think you'd be happy about that? Look at you. We did it, boys. Yeah. That's it. Never ask again. Firefox invited me to a soccer game, and I didn't go. Yeah.

Hey, Firefox. Who's your real pal here? Who's been using you for years? Who? Hey, okay. But they're trying to court me because I'm the browser guy. No, trust me. They should be courting David.

He's the right person to court. I'm just saying, you could have just sent me an email. And then if I said yes, been like, oh, sorry, we're booked up. But yeah, they're like, and sure, we already got that. They follow me on Instagram. What do they need to do for you? You already use it. Yeah, they don't need to gain to his user.

Yeah, by the way, I have three browsers on my dock right now. That's insane. Arc has been crashing a lot. Never saw that coming. No way. On the Golden Gate. Not subsettings. On the Golden Gate beta.

Okay. Dia is getting close to ARC. They are just kind of turning Dia into ARC. They're adding almost all the same features. It's like ColorOS versus... I need them to speed that up. But it's so funny, it's like, hey, your new product is almost as good as your old product that you killed.

Yeah, don't get me started. Dumbest company alive. Yeah, there's still some things that Arc does way better that they haven't added yet. Like they have tabs that are pinned tabs, but they're not in your little tab group bar. at the top. They don't have that in DIA. There's just, yeah, there's things that they need to upgrade.

But I've been trying some other browsers. Helium browser is actually pretty good. It's sort of an arc clone. The developer is very active and very, like, they're all over the internet. You can talk to them. And it looks really similar to Arc, but it does a few things a little bit differently. It still doesn't have, like, tab pinning separate from the, like, pinned task bar thing at the top, and you can't change the size of it.

And it's funny how many small things annoy me about being 90% what ARC does, but not quite there in every browser. And I keep going back to making ARC my default and then it keeps crashing over and over again. It just crashes. That's a bummer. Just use Chrome. You have a ton of RAM. Why not use it? I do not have that much RAM.

And Chrome would take it all. Yeah. So helium is getting there. I'm having a good time. It's very funny when I tweet about browsers now. People, like, I swear to God, there are like 25 different browser projects that everyone's like, just use this, just use this. It's like just use WhatsApp, except if there were 25 messaging apps that everybody used.

Which is like, great. It's annoying, but it's kind of nice. It's kind of nice. It's kind of nice. It's a bunch of competing, viable, like all pushing to make each other better, adding interesting features here and there. Like, it's kind of interesting. It's interesting.

Yeah. I'm liking it. Mark, has I had a question for you about using this laptop? Yeah. It's running Ubuntu, right? Yep. Did you... Is that how you pronounce it?

I don't know. Oh. I'm just actually... Ubuntu. Yeah. Abunta. When it came in the box, did it already have it installed? Yeah, so this is a pre-built.

So you can choose between a DIY version of the framework or a pre-built version. So this is one of the pre-built configurations you can buy, and you can choose Linux out the box. And it came with that installed, yeah. So you can put any other Linux distro on this as well? You can. Okay. Yeah. That's what I wanted to know.

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's cool. Or Windows, if you really want. No. I guess if you want to play games. It's pronounced Ubuntu. Well, we knew that. I didn't.

Isn't that what I said? I think I said Ubuntu in the video? Abuna. It's one of those words that I don't say out loud very often. I've typed it many times, but Ubuntu. It's one of those words that I'm like, I don't think I've ever said it out loud, and now I'm too scared to. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I got to live by it now. Ubuntu. Yeah. By the framework parts that you can buy in. I know. dope. The clear orange is so good. Yeah, there's a lot of people talking about this bezel.

Like, oh, they don't like the clear bezel. You can just get a black bezel. You can also get a different colored bezel if you want. So, yeah. Yeah, this thing looks sick. And the fact that it runs Linux makes it actually a viable option. Yeah, that's nice. I just saw something really quick that Volvo is discontinuing

lightar sensors on their cars. This seems to be because they're discontinuing their relationship with Luminar technologies, the company that makes them. It's a little confusing because it's, They're claiming the company's products, that they're trying to limit the supply chain risk exposure as a direct result of Luminar's failure to meet its contractual obligations. So I can't tell how much of this is like Luminar is having some issues. Therefore, they're a supplier of LiDAR, therefore let's just ditch it altogether,

which feels like kind of a cop out from Volvo in itself. But they're claiming that the company's product can deliver a high level of safety and driver support enabled by the car's powerful core computer coupled with their advanced sensor set with or without a LiDAR, which I don't know, I hate this. Let's keep taking LiDAR out of, let's keep taking more sensors to make people safe out of cars. But, um, yeah, the statement is kind of like a, well, we couldn't get LiDar in there, but we're going to try to keep making our self-driving software good. Yeah, but also, so then the kind of funny part is they're looking to compensate customers who already purchased the car with the LiDAR in it, because they're still,

are some, sorry, this is for the EX90 and ES90, the ones with those like... The box on the top. Yeah, almost looks like a hood scoop on the top for the LIDAR system. They're saying that the LIDAR unit is approximately $1,500 to the MSRP price.

And they're... Sorry, these are their three options instead of just here's $1,500 back. You can either have a complimentary three-year subscription to Sirius XM and a 500 credit towards Volvo Cars app. The fact that they keep using complimentary is hilarious because you've paid the money already.

I don't think this is complementary. Two-year complementary Volvo Protection Plan or a two-year 24,000-mile-a-old complementary Volvo Car Select package that covers some of the replacement parts like brakes windshield wipers. Like typical, yeah, yeah. It's a meal voucher for an airline missing your flight. This is a pretty rough meal voucher, yeah, yeah. So that sucks.

And I hate that we're taking more safety measures out of cars. Wait, does it $500 credit to the Volvo Cars app? I don't know what's the app. Well, no, no, it's three-year subscription to Sirius XM and the 500. That's in the same one. Sure, but what? What's the Volvo Cars app? My guess is Volvo Cars app is like the thing that lets you remote stuff.

Like right now. No, no, no, I get it. So like, what do you spend money on? Well, yeah, yeah. So like my Subaru right now has an app, and it's essentially a subscription service for doing remote start a couple different. You're kidding. It's a subscription service? It's the worst.

You usually get them for free for like a couple years and then you have to pay the subscription and it's great because they hook you on that and you've heated your car up, especially with kids now. Heating and cooling the car is so important that I pay a stupid amount of money, which is in that sense any amount of money is stupid. Yeah. Because it's all there. It's literally just the app is horrible.

All it can do is be like turn the heat on, turn the air on, honk the lights or like unlock the doors. but yeah, stupid. So my guess is $500 towards some stupid stuff like that. Towards a subscription. Yeah, towards whatever the subscription would be. Wow. That is crazy.

Capitalism. Yeah. Stupid. We just got finished talking about how Apple is going to let you rent essentially your devices. Yeah. It's a theme. It's a theme. Do we think these cars are going to get marked down,

or are they just going to come with the... They might get marked down by... Here's Sirius XM. That's dying for serious xM, by the way. Serious X-M is one of those things I've literally never used in my life, but every single car reviewer always seems to mention, not even the reviewers, every car company always seems to mention that, oh, and this car has SiriusXM, as if it's like,

and this is maybe I should care more, but it's like Dolby Atmos. When I hear a speaker system and a laptop or a phone has Dolby Atmos, I literally do not care. It doesn't mean a single thing to me. This framework laptop has Dolby Atmos. These speakers suck. so I'm not I don't care that it has serious XM they always talk about it always gets thrown in like it's a very important thing but I don't care but it's a it's a

subscription so serious XM is more annoying because so many cars they're in they put it as like the default media thing when you turn your car on and then when you don't pay for it it's just like serious XM it's just like an ad that runs on your car if you leave it at that it's I'm never using it it's awful anyway yeah yeah so maybe the American $1,500 less for the car. Who knows, they're still going to try to make all their stuff work. No shot. Same price.

That's crazy. By the way, the X90 is still a great car. It's one of those like undelivered promise things where if you pay it extra to have all this software work and it still doesn't, that's the bummer. But the rest of the car is pretty good. I think that's why I'm even more mad about it.

It's like I kind of like I'm thinking of an R2 eventually but the Volvos were kind of sick. It's pretty nice. Speakers are included. But you didn't? I thought you ordered an R2. Do they have Dolby.

I have a reservation for it. I think it comes in in January, but I probably won't buy it. I'll probably run my forester under the ground first. Is it the X90 Delby Amos? I have no idea. I think it is. But the speakers in that car are excellent. I'm almost positive it is.

Just because there was. Might as well be. I went to a specific, some Volvo had Dolby Atmos, and I feel like it has to be that one. I'm on the Volvo app website. One of the features that they list very proudly just says Google Maps. That's actually why I, actually, now that I think about it, that's why Volvo has Android automotive. So it has, like, Android Auto has its default system, which I think is actually a huge selling point because Rivian, you can't use Android Auto. But when you click on Learn More, it explains.

Use Google Maps built in instead of on your car's center display, meaning use it on your phone, but inside the Volvo app instead of the Google Maps app. It's, yeah, it's like kind of how you can, like in the Tesla app, you can. can send a destination to the car's GPS. I don't know why you wouldn't want to just type it in in a car, but allegedly, you can sometimes put in a destination before getting into the car so that when you get into the car, it's already telling you where to get. Right, right, right, right. I would take $500 worth of that.

Yeah. Yeah, it's a thing that we'll do. Random question. Yeah. The slate truck. Does it have these like software things, like remote start? Have they mentioned any of this? When you started with does it have, I was just going to say no.

Right from the start. Does it have remote start? I don't think. Or like turn on AC or something. So I didn't get told about any sort of app for the slave truck. So I imagine there is no remote connectivity for it. I would be surprised if there is much more than any sort of basic, like, heat it up, turn it on type thing. And the slate truck would be fine charging for it because their entire premise is anything extra is paid for it.

I hate these cars that are like, this is just, it's here already, we have the app, you even get it for free, now pay me. Especially when mine went dark in like January. It was like zero degrees outside and it's like, I know you want to warm that car up. That's crazy. That was just because of when I bought the car was in January. So it happened to be three years, but it was very. Unbelievable, Andy Kinsumer. I hate that.

Okay, someone needs to tell me about this PlayStation Blackout situation. I'm going, I'll go pretty quick on this. Okay. Remember we talked about Sony killing all physical game discs. Yeah. So there's a little protest planned out for people to go dark, essentially on PlayStation, to protest this. They're saying, do not log in, play games, or make any purchases from August 23rd to August 30th to help get the point across. The pessimist in me is like, I'm so happy everyone is doing this and this is terrible.

But Sony, if Sony made this decision already, I. I unfortunately don't think they're going to change it at all. I don't. Listen, if you don't give them money, they'll hear. For one week. And then we'll start giving them money again. You know how much money they'll lose in a week? You know how much money they'll make back the next week when you go buy a bunch of stuff?

I think if they lost all of their money in a week, they would probably be making it back on the margins of not printing all the games. Discs that they're going to. Yeah. I do agree with, I agree with hit them where it hurts in the wallet. Yes. And obviously making a statement with a whole bunch of people joining us is a good idea and makes a statement to the company who has for sure heard the message by now. But yeah, I agree. I don't think it's going to.

How much money do they even make in a week? Can't be that much. From buying games on the PlayStation store? Each game is like 80 bucks now. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure it's a lot. They're going to buy the game. They're just deferring.

They're going to buy the game anyway. We'll see. Maybe people will forget. Or they'll have 51 weeks of revenue this year instead of 52. No, I think what's going to happen is that one week will go down by 1%. And the next week will go up by 2%. Exactly. Yeah.

I mean, I can't, I mean, or I should say, I am doing it because I don't own a PlayStation. Yeah, I will participate in this. You know what, so am I. I do think if you feel really strongly about this, you should do it. I think, unfortunately, there's also going to be so many other people that are never going to see this that are just kids playing PlayStation and buying V-Bucks and never see it. It should be August 23rd to September 23rd. Make it a month and then they'll listen.

The reason I also brought this up is because we also then just had an Xbox outage where like for a whole day, I think, there were tons of users who were not able to log in, see their game library, or play any games in their game library, which is just more proof that this digital age of all of this is like, you don't really own these games, they can kind of do whatever with it. I've also, like, I've seen a lot of people in, like, Africa who are like, our internet is so bad, but I have game discs and I'm able to play games. But our internet's terrible.

And so, you know, if everything is like online only, come on. Yeah. It's terrible. It's just terrible. It is really. Or there are other countries, and I'm sure there's even some scenarios in our country where the way you purchase internet is bandwidth based. Yeah. So, like, downloading the game could kill your bandwidth for, like, a month.

I remember people used to send us videos and be like, I love Wave Form, I love MKBHD, but I watch everything in 480P because I only have so much bandwidth for the month. That's the only way I can watch this stuff. Metered stuff is crazy. I also brought it up because I recently discovered this YouTube channel about,

it's called Retro Jake's Video Games, and it's just a store that buys, sells, and trades old video games, and it's so much fun to watch people get super amped because they found like Simpsons Wrestling on the PlayStation and like seeing all these people trading in and like buying old games for their childhood or parents buying kids they're a Nintendo Wii because they never got to experience

Wii Sports is like we support everyone should experience we sports yeah like watching that in the sense of like wow every game from now until whatever my grandkids will never play because there will be zero evidence of the game ever existing yeah sucks I was only able to convince my mom to allow me to use my own money to purchase a we because we fit came out and i told her that it would make me exercise it did not make me my mom i'm gonna get buff i just played i just played we music and on we music you literally just hit the buttons a couple of times and you're playing clarinet it's not i mean the cool thing was if you use the we fit uh like pad thing you could play you could play the drum kit oh that is because you could use both sides as like the kick drum and the in the in the high

had. It was actually pretty sick. Yeah, I liked it. Dang. I'm imagining the way was legendary. So legendary. Yeah. After my grandpa died, I just played, what was it? Zelda, Twilight Princess. All, because he knows, he knows my age. It had just come out and literally for like a week and a half when I was staying with my grandma, I just played the entire game, like all day, every day. And it allowed me to zone out. It was the best thing ever. It's good. I had friend with a we I didn't have any video games growing up but we'd go over to his house and be like oh we're gonna go like play basketball or whatever and then we would just go play like we golf and we bowling like all the other games because it was too much fun instead of basketball yeah sorry mom

sorry mom yeah and split screen yeah it was great split screen halo I'm a friend's house gold and I'm a golden eye or halo two it's halo we played so much halo I used to bring my TV to my friend's house and we would have multiple people bring TVs and you'd all be in different rooms so you couldn't screen peek. Wait, like, like, like, whoa. Like, yes, I kid you not. Like, I would be holding both of them and I'd just be like, my mom would drop me up and be like, knock, knock on my friend's door.

And I'd just walk in with this, like, TV and my Xbox and set it up in a room. And we'd play Halo all day. Now you just log into a cloud server. Yeah, kids are nice of no idea. Now you just get told that you can't lock into a game. It's a black guy. Sorry. Yeah, I saw this meme where it was like 10 years of games, like growing up as a kid.

And it was like, it was like, It was like Ocreen of Time. And then it was this game. And then it was this game. Totally different games like Final Fantasy and all this stuff. And then it was like 10 years of games now. And it's just Fortnite, Fortnite, Fortnite, just in a row. Oh, my God.

Until November where GTA6 comes out. Allegedly. Allegedly. All right. I think we need a ticket to trivia and then our scheduled outbreak. Guys, what came first? Sharks. 76ers.

Before trees. Me. You guys really do listen. Sharks came before fire. That's not bad. Do you know that? Wait, like people making fire? I learned this on Reddit, so asterisk.

Asterisk, but it was like what are some facts that are real but seem not true? Stars exist. Sharks have been in the oceans since before lightning. Before there was enough oxygen in the atmosphere for actual fire. Oh, really? Yeah. That's just what I read. It might not be true.

Anyway. Continue. Ellis. I'll take it. What about alligators? They're also pretty old, yeah. I feel like they look more like dinosaurs than sharks, too. I got to Google this.

I vote no. Guys, I got to write a new trivia question. You've already said all the answers. No. What came first? The PlayStation 2's online service or Xbox Live. PlayStation 2 at an online service? It did.

That's crazy. And you know what? I will give you one point. This might put too many points on the table. People say they don't like that. It's the very beginning of the season. I don't think they mind one point. I think it was when I got like 78 points on this.

Well, there are six titles that shipped at launch with online capabilities with the PlayStation 2. And if you can name any of them, I'll give you a point. Like I said, I didn't grow up with video games. So this one's on you guys. Yeah. I want to shout it really quickly too, though, that half of our normal viewers watched the trivia extravaganza, which is actually pretty good. We got like, yeah, for a bonus episode. It currently has $115,000.

It's chaotic. You should go watch it. Actually, the game we're playing later is a game we played on that. So if you like the game at the end of this episode, then you could go watch trivia because we do more of it. Nice. Good call out. All right.

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The Edge, like the wrestler. All right. He's the guitar player in YouTube. Oh. Does sound like a wrestler. Does sound like a wrestler. Okay. We're talking about a robot cleaning service.

Andrew, what the hell is going on there? Okay. I can show you. So every once in a while I go on Twitter and just scroll for a little bit. Oof. And so I don't know if you remember this. A couple months ago, maybe it was a couple years ago, I did a video about that Neo-Robot.

Remember that Neo-Robot? That was like eight months ago. This was going to be a humanoid five-foot-six robot that can go into your home and perform tasks and clean stuff for you. And I made a video about how they have to advertise it and try to get people to buy it as if it's real and exists and can do that now, but it clearly cannot do that because it doesn't have any of the data and the training

to go in and clean your house and do this stuff. So they have this weird, like, crossroads that they're at where they need to convince people to be early adopters so that they can get a bunch of training data so that they get more people to buy it so then it can actually do what it's advertised. Okay, so I'm on Twitter, and I scroll and I see, there's this tweet of a robot,

and it says, today we're launching TOW's humanoid cleaning service in San Francisco for $30 an hour. Access is initially invite only as we scale operations. If you don't have an invite yet, join it at the wait list here. All footage are shown at 1xb. Each humanoid is jointly controlled by a human operator and AI. And then there's a video of a little humanoid-shaped robot getting out of the backseat of a minivan and walking away with a cleaning bag as if he's going to go do some job somewhere. Can I describe it? I thought carefully how to describe it for our... To describe this little human-eyed robot.

Okay, this is a four-and-a-half-foot drunk man in the baggy as close possible. Claws for hands and its head can only resemble that of a router and frog hybrid. Also, the cleaning supply bag that it picks up only has one microfiber cloth hanging off the side pouch. Nothing else is in that bag that is taking out. It's wearing shoes. It's wearing my shoes. It's wearing my new balance. It's wearing a jacket.

It's a packet. Okay. Wait, I have one more question about this. Sorry. It's getting out of a minivan, which is kind of impressive. It's supposed to be like it got dropped off, right? Classic cleaning service, yeah. Does it have to wear a seatbelt?

Does it have to legally? No. Because it's the thing. So this is the thing. I think as it not being a person, it doesn't have to, but therefore still turns into an extreme safety hazard in a crash because it's not secured. But then also, if it has its seatbelt on, zero chance claw hands is getting out of the seat pill. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Big claw hands. So huge red flag off the first video. So yeah. So the idea it turns out, and David, I know you haven't seen this yet, so I'd like for you to click the website. Oh, no. The idea is that this is a cleaning service offered at a discounted rate so that they can literally just start gathering training data. Yeah. They are four people who are totally cool with all these robots being fully remote operated right from the beginning. And you are agreeing to have a person go into your home through this robot and just clean stuff.

for you and do services for you. So if you scroll down on this website a little bit, what you will see is videos of this little freaky humanoid robot doing chores in a kind of a smoothish-looking manner. Sometimes. It's like me after leg day, basically. Yeah, it's kind of shaking a little bit. It's 24 frames per seconds.

But we are all now under the complete understanding that this is a person remote operating this, and they are going to wipe down counters and clean up and vacuum and empty the trash and move stuff from off the middle of the floor to clean your house and you'll pay for it and it'll be cheaper than a person would be because you're letting someone in your house get that training data for the robot

for its sweet, sweet data. Yeah. So it also is, it's watching it do all of its chores is it looks insanely focused because you can tell whoever is teleoperating. This is having a very hard time trying to see what's going on and control it. It's like wiping the table

and its head is just, cocked down, like perfect 90 degrees, locked in just wiping like... Trying to spray bottle really, really bad. Spray bottle is my favorite video. Yeah, it's so slow. Can you describe the scene? So there's a four and a half foot man in a costume

with a router, net gear router as his head. And he's pinching this like spray bottle with his right claw. At the bottom. At the bottom. And he's tilting it. And the left claw is trying really,

really hard to spray and he's kind of shaking a little bit and he finally gets a couple spritzes off. On a counter that is filled with junk. There's like hot lids, milk cartons, there's a port of filter, there's like a blender. There's milk for some reason. Sprang it on like all of the stuff. That's true.

Just spraying it on the port of filter, which you wouldn't want to have in your coffee. But that's interesting. Yeah, this is not that different from the Neo thing because the Neo thing also they were like, we are having. watching the video.

They would be so mad if you. Because the last Neo announcement was like, we've invented the most advanced cybertronic hand ever invented with 10 million moving parts and a pulley system. And then this little guy's like, well, I'm just saying it's the same thing where like

they had people that were teleoperating these things with like VR headsets. And they're basically doing it at a discounted rate in order to train the AI what it is like to clean a house. Yeah.

And it seems the same. If I'm giving Tau credit, they're very upfront with the fact that it's teleoperated and this is training. And so like, I will give them full credit there. Neo is, they said it, but they were not upfront about it. This is like the CEO's tweet in the tweet says teleoperated. Yeah. These are people.

So there are apparently three different cleaner robots with different colored heads that are specialized at different tasks. There's Chelsea. Just for the record. Makes no sense of it. Zero. Well, I think that they're going off like the agent model where they train it to do very specific things. Which can be loaded onto the robot.

Yeah. And the robots are all the same. Yeah, they should all be able to do everything. Unless they have like different claws or something. Anyway, there's Chelsea. There's Elon, which has got to be tongue and cheek. And there's Tony. Yeah, this is weird.

I got to say. They have like specialties. Chelsea does sinks, counters, mirrors, and tile. Elon can remember where your things belong and put them back rather than tidying them into a pile. Don't know what that means. And Tony deep cleans grout, baseball board windows. I guess Tony's better getting down low. I don't know.

I mean, they're all four and a half feet tall. Yeah, they're all pretty low. Yeah. What about putting my stuff away in the higher cabinets? They're all too short for that. Yeah. This is so, okay. The one thing that keeps coming back to me is this video of it trying to do the spray bottle, right?

Yeah. Okay. So the idea, this is funny because it's kind of backwards from what you'd expect. The Neo, as you described Ellis, has these really advanced, like it has fingers because it's trying to be a human hand because the idea of a humanoid robot is we've built the world around a human shape. So if you can make a humanoid robot, it can do all the things a human can do. So a spray bottle, you have to have like fingers that are like dexterous enough to like grab the bottle by the neck, but then also the trigger to like point it and spray. But this robot just has claws. Claw.

Just claws. So it can't do the like dexterous like grab and spray and point thing. So it has to hold the bottle with one claw and like squeeze it with the other claw and aim it by tilting it. Which is it's like, why are you trying to make a human shaped at all? Just make it good at all the cleaning stuff and forget the human. Why doesn't it just have a hose that runs down its arm and cleaning solution backpack? Yeah, exactly. Like, why is it?

Okay, that's what you would get from a cleaning service. I don't think the Neo hands could, if you think about squeezing a spray bottle with one hand, like, that's a easy task to us humans. But like, I think that would be really hard to be, like, pinching it with enough pressure so that it's not spraying, aiming it and then squeezing it. Like, I don't think Neo could pull that off. I was being generous with the Neo. I think it's just like the idea is it's trying to be as human as possible so that it can eventually be good enough to do the human stuff. This one, it physically does not have human hands, and I guess it's a little more rudimentary of a robot. So it's like if you're not, the only thing human about it is that it's bipedal and standing upright.

It's like balancing, shaking on two legs, trying to spray the counter. Just make a robot that's five feet tall with a hose on it that just sprays the counter. But, you know, this is not about that. This is about being human shaped. Yeah. So here we are. Well, this is like the 12th robot like this that we've seen in the last year, and I don't know if any of them are going to come to fruition. However, I'm not sure any of them can come to fruition now because just last night, the U.S. government has banned robots made outside of the U.S., including a robot vacuums.

Any robots that are over 4.4 pounds, for robot vacuums, it includes their charger. So that's funny. So a lot of those chargers will probably make it over 4.4 pounds. Yeah. So they issued a new ban on advanced robotic devices and power inverters from foreign countries. The ban will include humanoid and quadruped robots as well as robot vacuums. They defined this type of robot as a machine that is capable of locomotion, obstacle avoidance, navigation, or movement on the ground, comes with the sensor that perceives the surrounding environment and has a chip for network connectivity.

It must also weigh more than 4.4 pounds, including the docking station, if it has one. It's basically everyone. Every single robot that we've seen in the last year Now apparently needs to be made in the United States None of that will happen This seems I don't know, pretty ham-fisted Do you think this is just the current administration Doing this type of stuff or is this like a larger concern?

Yeah, most of it with the drones with the yeah DJI Like we talked about the drones before So they banned a bunch of Chinese companies making drones Including the most popular ones like DJI And then they would spin off I was gonna say we didn't even talk about that But DJI spun up a bunch of fake companies to try to, like, hide in the U.S., and they banned those as well. Yeah.

So now they're adding all these robots and robot vacuums to that list. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, so now we have to only get the American-made. Is Dyson? They're Swedish, right? I don't think, like, we have any American-made ones here. Probably not.

Just Dyson for them. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, my, like, AC is American air, but I'm pretty sure it's not made in America. Hoover? Is that still a thing? I don't know. Is Hoover America? Oreck.

Yeah. In the U.S. ban documentation, they did mention, do you remember when we talked about that DJI robot vacuum that was super easily hacked and people were able to like see the 3D maps of everyone's homes that the robot vacuum created? That would be a concern. Yeah. Yeah. So the verge had put out an article about how simple that was to hack and how like the data you

could collect on it. They specifically mention this in the band document for this reason. All right. I guess fair. I mean, that's a good example of why this is bad. But it is crazy how much money robot vacuum companies spend on US tech YouTubers as sponsors. Oh, yeah. And I feel like all of these are just going to vanish now.

Yeah, there's many, many, many companies who do very, very similar products. Yeah. They all are like, you've probably seen, like, if you're picturing a, what's not? most common one. Robo Rock or Irobot? I robot. Roomba, yeah. When I say the word Roomba, you're picturing a shape of a robot vacuuming your head that is made by 25 different companies who all have advertised on your YouTube page at some point. So all of them not being from the U.S. means that probably won't happen. It's very similar to the just router ban of all routers made outside of the U.S., which

was all of them. And so then they had to give like permission to like As Rock and a couple of other random router companies. I imagine that's what's going to happen here where they will give exemptions to very, very popular robotic vacuum companies. But as to what it does to all of these humanoid robots, I feel like... These are all American companies, though, that I'm seeing. Yeah, but they have to be made in the United States. They can't be assembled outside the U.S. Interesting. So they might be able to do some weird workaround where the parts are just shipped to the U.S. and they're assembled there, but I also don't see that scaling. Who knows? I think that'll a lot of these companies will probably just keep trudging on because none of these

like humanoid robots are going to be ready within the next two years and this administration is only lasting another couple of years. So, you know, they'll be able to do things later probably. The docking station is weird. My first thought would be like, well, if you sell it without the docking station. That's true. They could sell it without the docking station. But then if it's the docking station, yeah, I don't know. They could sell it separately as like a bundle deal. Oh no, but it maybe. Yeah, you still need it because that's where it empties the vacuum. gaming stuff. Depends on the robots.

Some of them do that. Some of them don't. Some of them have like a super, super basic doc that's like pretty polite because it doesn't do anything. It's just like a inductive charger kind of situation. Yeah. Interesting. Well, we'll say what happens with that.

That just happened last night. So I'm sure that we'll get some press releases from these companies. If anybody in San Francisco actually pays for this cleaning service, please send me videos of it crashing around and like doing things in your house. I would love to see this. I will say I am surprised at how well this robot seems to be walking around. and stuff when it jumps out of the van. Yeah, that's the most impressive video.

Is it getting out of the seat, jumping out of the van, and walking out looking like an actual four-foot human? Yeah. Don't know how well it cleans, but, yeah. If you want a good time, read the terms of service. There's some great stuff. It's around the same new balances as me. Okay, an open AI agent broke out of its sandbox and hacked hugging face to find the answer key.

With like quotations around like every single one. There's quotations around. every single aspect of this, for sure. And I put this in the story. Effectively, Open Eye was testing how good various amounts of its models were at offensive hacking. So it ran this internal evaluation called Exploit Gym, which measures its offensive capabilities in an isolated environment. So it was in the sandbox. They were told to solve a benchmark with no constraints on how to do so.

But instead of just doing the benchmark, the models realized it was faster to just break out of the sandbox. and then hack Hugging Face and steal the answer key. Open Eye did not realize this had happened for like a week. Hugging Face noticed that there was like a cyber attack on them a few days later and they suspected that it was a rogue model, et cetera. And then Open Eye figured it out. They contacted them and then they put out like this paper together. And the Hugging Face CEO seemed like legit excited.

And for those who don't know, Hugging Face is like an AI benchmarking database. place and uh yeah it was in the very very very beginning of all this stuff happening so i think there was it was just a wild west it's where like a lot of open source agents are um excuse me open source models yeah are posted i grab yeah when meta was doing all the like music generation models a little bit ago that's where i would grab them all from hmm interesting so it's like git hub but for models yeah sort of um anyway it's just like you know they they intentionally were saying like be offensive and they took off some of its safeguards and like ABC DFG. But like, you know, these open source models are getting easier and easier to run and access,

et cetera. And I feel like we're going to start seeing, we're going to start seeing a lot more of this happening in the future. The weird thing was that the Hugging Face CEO seems excited that this had happened, you know, which is, I can see it when it's like, oopsie, it's a frontier lab that's making these models, et cetera. But if this was a real, if this was a person who had gone out and said, go hack this company, that would be like a federal crime.

Because it did it. Yeah. So, like, it is a federal crime, but they don't care. So they're not, like, pursuing charges because it's a frontier lab. But this is going to start happening for a lot more companies and it's just going to get really weird and Wild Westy. And I just want to throw that one out there. Yeah.

It's a little strange. It's a little strange. Now we just need to put one of these inside of these robots. I need to just look at this robot again to feel joy. Yeah, it's like after watching a horror movie and then you watch Mickey Mouse Clubhouse to kind of calm your brain. I just have a feeling there's going to be so many, because they're really doing it. They're launching the service. There's going to, there's like, we are on the brink of a flood of videos of these things, like, bumping into walls and, like, wandering around people's houses.

Yeah. I'm so excited for that. Well, in San Francisco only. In San Francisco, but, like, go on Twitter. That's like a portal into San Francisco. That's true. If you're an approved tester. So I'm sure there's going to be something like no recordings.

Yeah. No saying bad things. No, NDAs. I'm not exactly sure. There is a service terms and they do have something about them recording you. Yeah, hopefully doesn't do that. Every cleaning is recorded. Operator watches live.

We keep the footage and uses to train our models. Everyone will be told before they arrive. I don't see. You give us perpetual worldwide royalty-free license to use footage, telemetry and other data recording during your visit to operate developed train and improve our robots models and services they do say they won't publish or display footage that identifies you or your home better not without permission i don't see anything saying you can't record it great until you until you until you're just like to apply for the being yeah i'm sure there's a lot more paperwork once you

would say thank you yeah well let me know on twitter what happens please all right anyway yeah we'll take one more quick break and we'll come back to play our game but before that one more trivia question please. Trivia, dude. All right. The iPad Pro. First generation came out in 2015.

Wow, I'm old. I know, same. Do you remember how much Ram it had? No. Did Apple even publish that at the time? I don't know if it was out of the time. For sure. They definitely, well, I'm guessing they didn't tell us,

but people found out of it. For sure. And there are two answers to this because if you remember, there were two different sized iPads. So two points up for grabs. Wait, how do you have? Oh, because there's a small iPad pro and a big iPad pro.

There was like the, okay, 11 and 13. That was pro. Yeah, the 9.7 inch and the 12.9 inch. I was wrong. How much RAM did they have? Okay. All right, well, we'll think about that a bit. Answers at the end.

We'll be right back. Welcome back. So for this last segment, we are going to be playing a game that you may have seen us play before. if you watch the trivia extravaganza. If you did not, go watch it. But it is called keyword search. And this time we put Ellis at the big boy table.

And we're going to have two teams. Glad we're playing this. Yeah, we're going to do Team Ellis and David versus Team Andrew and Marquez. Lock in. I specifically did not come up with a name for Ellis and David because I wanted you guys to come up with it live on the podcast and so figure it out. Because Team Andrew and Marquez are team lawn sports. Lawn sports. Fair enough.

So it's like, what do we have in common? California, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Coastal elites. I would be yeah. Yeah. That would be, yeah.

But you guys are all serving the coast, just the other, the worst coast. The worst coast. The worst coast. How about Best, bestal elites or best coast? No, I think, I think, we could just call it Best Coast. Isn't that a thing already? Yeah, that's already. California.

Isn't there like a rapper named Best Coast? Oh, that I don't know. Probably. I'll do Coastal Elites. I think Coastal Elites makes it work. Yeah, okay. Okay. So we have Team Law and Sports, which is Andrew and Marquez

versus Team Coastal Elites, which is David and Ellis. That's right. The way this works is I'm going to ask you guys a question. And you have to, as a team, give me three words that I type into Google. And the answer to the question needs to be on that first page of Google. So again, same example as last time. If I said, name a Reddit founder. You have to say something like that.

Serena Williams' husband. Short. That's the one I was looking for. That's three words. Andrew. Not total scumb bag, that's two. I guess if you've separately scum and bag.

He's also little. I'm thinking about the other guy. No, no, no. Steve Hoffman. Oh, okay, okay. That makes way more sense. All right, so first question. Who wants to go first?

Oh, which group? Yeah, which group? I mean, usually the elites get to go first. Ooh, that's true. That's true. That's how this works. So first question for coastal elites. What OS version did the LG

G4 launch with the G4. The LGG4. This one is left over from trivia extravagance. I could remember the answer. And I knew you wouldn't. I just don't know anything about Android. G4? I did dessert.

No. Okay, okay. Can we use the word Android? You cannot because it's in the answer. He wants the version. Do you want the food or the number? No, no. We got to think more broadly.

We just got to get every single Android version listed. Yeah. Okay. answer. What's it going to be? List? Because I want AI overview to do it. So list phone desserts. How about what about list LG versions? No, no, no. List phone desserts. List G4 version. Okay, let me check. List phone desserts. I do think the I remember the timing. I think we need more than the waiting time.

You know what I mean? More time than the sound. More time than the sound effect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which they gave you more. That gives you more. Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying that's really fast

when you have to think of the answer and then how to describe the answer. You know what's crazy? You didn't even notice Adam's haircut. Damn. Adam didn't notice my haircut. Adam didn't notice my haircut. I didn't even notice I got a haircut.

I was going to get a haircut, but I'm getting it tonight. Did you guys actually get haircuts? Literally yesterday. Why do we always get haircuts at the same time? That's crazy. Did you also? Guys.

Yeah. I'm the. Wait, Ellis, are you getting a hair set out soon? Probably soon, yeah. I'm getting one tonight. You want to come with? Got to text my barber. You just get the points?

You got the point. Yeah. Really? I did not use the word Google. AI overview literally listed them all out as Ellison today. That was a good plan. I was just surprised you didn't use the term Google. He's doing LeBron Selleys right now.

Oh. That's crazy. Just doing injection. All right. Next question for team lawn sports. Okay. When was Google Phot? photos first launched, looking for the month, day, year, but closest wins.

The photos first launched. Month day, year. Is it harder than the last? Yeah, but you can just get it close enough. It's fine. Okay. I'll look for the month in the year. I'll give you the month.

Okay. How do we redo Google? It probably will, oh, Android, I was going to say, picture app launch, but that's for Google Photos. Android Picture. service, but I want the launch date to show it? Oh, man. Android Picture app? And do you think it'll just say when it launched? I don't think it will say when it launched. Yeah. Android Picture launch? Android Pictures? Android. And it probably will be like, did you mean Android photo or Google Photos? And then maybe it'll show the launch.

Worth a shot. That's all I get into it. Yeah, I guess, yeah. Android Pictures launch? Android Pictures launch? Android Pictures. Can we say launch? Android Pictures launch Launch? Oh yeah, can we say launch? No, you cannot because that was in the question. Android Pictures

Start. Start. It probably is a high. That's a tough one. Let's try it. Start. Android Pictures start. Wow, really.

The center right there. What about Android Pictures service? But too late. Yeah, but getting the launch date out of just. Yeah. Let's see. He'd get the name.

Or what about Android Pictures, Wikipedia. That's what I would do. Android Pictures Wikipedia. That might be. Not there. Sorry, guys. What did it say?

I get it. Nothing. It's not there. No, no, but like, what is the general vibe of what it was. It is Google Photos, but it didn't have the launch date. Yeah, it's definitely at the launch date. Yeah, it's a tough way. What's the different?

Okay, next question for Team Coastal Elite. It's been a big Samsung Galaxy week, but do you know what the typeface is called that has been used in Samsung marketing since 2015? Over the Horizon. No, no, no. Okay, he used the word typeface, not font, which gives us. Yeah. Big ups.

Big brain. And we can't say Samsung. We can't. We can't. We can't say Samsung. But we can say, did you say phone? I did not say phone. But it's like Samsung marketing stuff.

It's Samsung marketing since 2015. I said Samsung Galaxy and marketing. Like, so. Korean. You can't say Samsung? It has to be like. We have to use three words We can't do four words

That is the rules of the game Perfect Brand What's the Do you say galaxy No, that's into question Can we say What is, okay

What about other What's, Do they have non-galxy fonts? No I need an answer I think we should do Korean phone font Yeah, that's all I got

I hope it's LG So bad Korean phone font Korean phone font Yeah. I was going to say like S-22 ad font. Oh, yeah, we could have said like S-22. It wasn't big brain.

Yeah, wait, that's good. Nope, it's not there. Sorry, guys. What did come up? What did come up was... These are harder. Like, fonts came up. It was just not this one that we're looking for.

What's the answer, by the way? The answer is Samsung Sharp Sands. Of course they had their own font. Sharp Sands. Sharp Sands. Also, I don't know if I said the answer to the Google Photos one. It was 2015, May of 2015. May what?

May 28th, 2015. Yeah, but it was Samsung Sharp Sands is what I was looking for. I'm going to put it out in my calendar. Google Photos birthday. Would you like to wish them a happy birthday? Next question. This is for Team Lawn Sports.

Yeah, okay. What website at one point hosted the popular MMO Club Penguin? MMO. Not miniclip? Where we did, we did the mini clip? Maybe not a mini clip. Yeah, we did.

Okay, so I can't say Club Penguin. I need to think of Club Penguin. How do we get Club Penguin without saying Club Penguin? Arctic Bird Team. Arctic Bird game? Oh, yeah, Arctic Bird Game might work. You're looking at the website that hosted it on. I know, but it should be listed.

It'll show what it went on. And it's like quick. So Arctic Bird Game. Flightless bird game. There's no other way to get penguin without Arctic Bird. How else do you spell? Yeah, I don't think so. No.

Emperor. I guess it's Arctic Bird game. Arctic Bird game or Arctic Bird? What's the different word for club? I need an answer. Arctic Bird game. Yeah. Arctic Bird game.

Don't they live in the Antarctic? Yeah. Not the Arctic. Same thing. It's not. I think Google. Google you can type in song that goes but up, but it'll pick it up. And Arctic Bird game.

Sorry, it's not there. Artic. Turns out there's a lot of Arctic Bird game. Penguin games. Yeah, but none of them are Club Penguin. Is the answer a mini-clip? The answer is mini-clip games. It is. Was it really a mini-clip game?

It wasn't a mini-clip game, but they were one of the only non-first-party sites to host it. It's so funny to think it's stuck with that. Club Penguin doesn't ever. Yeah, we would have had to get. Well, that was a question that I think Team Coastal Elites would have gotten, but I asked it to Team Lawnsports. So now I'm going to ask Team Coastal Elites a question that I think

Team Lawnsports would have gotten, which is the first Kostal Elit's a question. KeyCron keyboard was released in what year? Okay, KeyCron. What do I know about KeyCron? Popular keyboard releases? But KeyCron is like one of them are popular keyboard. I want AIO to list all the dates that all the popular keyboards came out.

So like maybe like release date keyboard. Keyboard release date. How about release keyboard keyboard chronology? Are you expanding on AI overview when you think Kron would be enough? Well, I think chronology will get AI overview to just list all the big brands. Popular keyboard chronology. Popular keyboard chronology. Popular keyboard.

I'm interested in that. I don't know what I would ask. Or I would try and guess what the first one is. Although it's probably going to be like the Apple 2 keyboard. Yeah, sorry, it's not there. It's giving us a bunch of like. typewriters and different computers and IBM keyboards. Try and guess what the first Keycorn was, which is probably like the Q1 or something.

The K1. K1. You're on the right track. Oh, so we probably could have typed K1 or at least. I specifically left it opens you guys might if you knew. But yeah. K1, 2017. Damn.

2017. 2017. That's actually, yeah. So it's still 1. Yes. So 1. No, you guys. Did they not?

No, we got a point. No, we got a point. Yeah, we did get a point. It's funny, I felt like in Trivia, we got most of them right. Yeah, this is harder. These are harder ones, yeah, for sure. Okay, next question. This is going to Team Coastal Elites?

No, longsports. Team lawn sports. Next question. The Galaxy, the Samsung Galaxy S3, launched with what version of Android? Oh, okay. So just all Android versions. Google dessert list.

Is that it? I think that will name all. Not what they did in the first one where they got the point? Is that the exact same phrase you use? We did phone dessert list. Yeah. Google dessert list would be better. I mean, Google dessert list is going to work if we're allowed to use Google.

I created a meta. Yeah. Let's go with Google dessert list. Google dessert list. Let's see what comes up. Let me search. If this doesn't work, I'm so mad. I would just give you.

Honestly, with AI overview, you could type the same thing in twice and it probably would be different. You got so lucky. It's there. You got the point. But it is not have anything to do with Google. It's just desserts. Oh. Because you Googled dessert lists.

I Googled Google dessert list. Yeah, Google dessert list. No, that's bad. That's bad. Is the answer, like, cupcake or donut or something? It's ice cream sandwich. And it... And there's one reference of ice cream sandwich on this page, but it's like...

It's not... Gelado, mango sorbet, apple pie, chocolate chip cookie. It just gave you a bunch of desserts. What? That's crazy. All right. I worked out. Yeah, so you got the point.

deserve that. So we're all tied up. Desert one one. All right, all right, all right. All right, team coastal elites. Here we go. Lika launched the phone in 2021. That was exclusive to which country? Hong. China. No. Really? Yeah. Do you know this? Um, um, no, yeah. List all countries. How about?

What about? From wait. With no regard for human life. So we can't say country. Oh. No, you cannot. So it's China. So just list all. That's all they get.

So do you want to say, should we say like, exclusive? Global AI superpower or open. Damn. We can't say. Communist Republic. It's not China. Oh.

Whoa. Was it Germany? No, it has to be Italy. Italy? No, it's not. Not Italy. Why would it be Italy? Because I feel like they're the only ones that appreciate such a thing. It's a bad phone with a good camera.

It did not have a good camera. And it was a really bad phone. You remember this? Yes. Okay. I think we got to. I used it. I think we got it. I think we got it. I think we got it. I think we're not China. It's like a phone. It was made by camera camera. Camera. Camera brand. Camera expensive phone. Camera. Oh camera. But it has to be the country we're looking for.

Yeah. Camera. We can't say like a. Three. Camera phone exclusive One camera phone Country camera phone country Camera phone exclusive Exclusive That's gonna be a lot of stuff

Yeah let's see if this This comes up If that comes up Wait I used this phone Was it really Germany only No it was Japan Japan? That is actually Oh yeah

It was Japan It was Japan They do like like a there Damn It was what was the company That made the phone It was like IEO Q or whatever it was.

It was so bad. It was the vibration motor was literally the worst thing. It was the lights phone one. Yeah. It was made with sharp. Sharp. Sharp phone? Lights.

Yeah, it was like the, yeah, it was like an aquos. Yeah, it was an Aquas R6 basically. It was so bad. The vibration motor was so bad. I remember that. The new Lika phones really good though. I thought you would remember the name. So that's why I made that so hard.

All right. Next question. Wow. This one's a very easy one. but let's see if you guys got it. Oh, come on. Microsoft launched a browser in 1995 that let you explore the internet.

What was it called? Arc. In 1995? So you can't use Microsoft browser? Windows default... Internet? You can't use browser. Can you say XP default browser?

You can't say browser. You cannot say browser. XP default internet. You cannot say internet. You can't. Oh, okay. Because that's part of the question and the answer. Oh.

XP default. What's another word for that? Websites. It's easy, but if you take away all of our words. Can you say XP default for our box? Windows Blue E? Because that's... We can say Windows, right?

You can say Windows. Is that it? Are you going on with that? Windows Blue logo? I hope you get Edge, bro. I hope it just gives you add. Or XP blue icon then if you want to make sure. Yeah, XP.

XP blue icon. Sure. Or X or Windows E icon. I think XP. Or sorry, XPEE icon. I made an answer. XP.E icon. XP.E icon.

That was hard because they took away all of our words. Yeah. Yeah, it's not there. It's not there. I was going to say like, can you do XP. Windows. Blue icon? Windows Search app or old Windows search.

You just have to get Internet Explorer to come up somehow. They didn't have Bing back then. What if you just said Microsoft Edge meme? Would it be Ed? Oh, I guess. Old Microsoft Edge. That probably would work. Old Microsoft Edge.

Damn. Windows before Edge. Microsoft Edge versus. Yeah. Windows before Edge. Yeah. Wow. Wow.

Wow. You can't say Internet or browser. Yeah. All right, David. This is our second point. I can feel it. It's brewing. I can feel it.

All right. Here we go. We're still tied one-in-one, by the way. I'm going to have to come up with more questions. Back in the day, Garmin made GPS things for your car. But what was the first watch they released? Do you know the answer? I feel like I was researching this.

Was it the Phoenix? I think this has been a trivia question. Is it the Phoenix? I don't know. Or was it the like garment, the one with the cue? We can't say watch though, right? Nope. Can we just say like first?

like first. Oh, we can't say first either. No, we can't say first. No, it's the question. Original. debut GPS wrist. debut, uh, adventure. Time.

No. That's a show. Yes, please do that one. That's a show. That's not going to work. I mean, you should because it really fun. I think you should go with debut GPS wrist. But did it have GPS?

It has to. Are you sure? That's their whole thing. debut adventure wrist? GPS. Is that what we're going? Fitness wrist? I don't think of they were the first GPS?

Yeah, okay. debut GPS. It's Garmin, right? What else do they do? debut GPS wrist. All right. Sure. This is like if we were terrible at Googling things.

Yeah. It's like toddler SEO. It is tough not being able to use either set of words. I'll give it to you. Forerunner is there. It was the Forerunner series. Four Runner 101.

Yes. Let's go. Elites over here. Oh, I guess. Coast of the elites got the point. Wait, wait. You guys want to hear a trivia question I threw away this morning? Oh, yeah.

It's really good. It's one of the, you know, how Jeopardy, they make you answer with a pun. Mm-hmm. Okay. What is the solar and acrobatic version of the new screenless garment? Cirque. The Cirque. CERC solace.

Solet. Yeah. It's Circa de Soleilet. Wow. That's pretty funny. That's pretty good. That would have been good. I saw The Beatles Love in Circtal Sala.

You saw what? The Beatles Love, Surc Tilt Sillay Show. How was it? Really freaking good. But the Beatles was my entire personality at the time. I mean, they were, we've all had that. That was a freshman in high school, yeah. Okay, so it is 2-1.

Yeah, it is. Do we want to do like a... A definition of elite is winning. You can tie or they win? How are we doing this? Is that our only option? If we tie, if we tie, then I think we should get. Yeah.

Then we should keep going. Okay. So this is it for all the marbles. All right. Potentially. Potentially. Potentially. Lock in.

I'm locked in. I'm not, I'm trying. I'm picturing the Google search box right in front of me. All right. So this is for the tie for team lawn sports. Stay alive. Yeah. The first iPhone to launch with MagSafe was what?

iPhone 8. With MagSafe? Mm-hmm. Are you sure about that? I don't think it's the first one with, oh, wireless charging was the 8. MagSafe was the 12. Okay. So, we can't say iPhone 12.

We have to get iPhone 12 to come up. So just say, actually, what year was Apple first mini? That's what I was going to do. First mini, Cooper Tien, I don't know, some way to get Apple in there. Apple. Mini phone? Can we say Apple? Yeah.

Mini phone. Oh, yeah. We can say phone, not iPhone. Yeah. Okay. Apple minifone. Apple minifone? Yeah.

The 13 and 12 mini should both come up. And then that counts. You're just looking for the series, right? Can you just say magnetic wireless charging? That wouldn't say iPhone 12 necessarily. But MagSafe does not. He's right. We don't have needed to say MagSafe, right?

We just need iPhone 12. We just need iPhone 12. iPhone 12. And it looks like, but the 12 mini is that the 12? Yeah. You guys got the point. I think if you guys got Forerunner as default forerunner

not the specific forerunner. I'm getting a little broad with these. It's fine. She just said Toyota Adventure Vehicle. Rav. Oh, Tundra. Forerunner. I know, but there's a lot of the denture vehicles. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, sure. Nice. Wait, why would we have said that? Because we're all tied up. Toyota, four ride. Sorry. Or is that a different question. No, you're right.

You're right. We stayed alive. Stayed alive. So what happens now. So it should be like shootout rules now. We're like, Ellis and David go, if they get it right, we have to get it right to stay alive. If Ellis and David go, they get it wrong. And Marquez and I get it right, then it's over.

Oh, my God. I like that. I like that. For Team Coastal elites, Yep. Blue Star is the model code name for which Tesla vehicle? I don't know. Is it the S?

Dude, I don't know. What is why I think we should do? Best selling EVs. Yeah. I hope it's the roadster. I like that. Best selling e-b. I do not consider this.

Or the cyberchark. Dude, if it's the roadster, I don't know. I don't know. I have no idea what it could be. Yeah, best-selling EVs. Best selling EVs. No, no. I don't know.

Best-selling EVs. Just give it. Best-selling EVs. All Elon TVs. Just input the Jacobian conjectures. All Elon cars. All Elon cars. You get the point.

Let's go. Model 3 and that's where it was. S3XY. Yeah. I guess that's that would have worked too. Wow. Wow. Okay.

So they lived to... The three was labeled Blue Star. It was called Blue Star. Blue Star. I never heard of that. Me neither. It's great to be, guys. All right.

Team Lawn Sports, you can either tie it. There's a lot of pressure here. Or... Give it away. It's stay alive or... Tie or die. Yeah, this is it. In 2009, Google announced a project

that was their desktop operating system, which allowed them to primarily run web-based apps. What was it called? That was easy. Okay. We got to forget it to say Chrome OS. Okay. And the way you do that is by getting a Chromebook. Chromebook. We can't say operating system though, right? Chromebook version. Chromebook OS.

Also, if you get CR 48, it has to say ChromeOS. CR 48. I mean, that's all. You could just say CR 48 software. and it would come up. Yeah. Are you that confident? Yeah. Two words.

With two words? Only need two words. CR48 software. I hope it's ChromeOS. It's definitely ChromeOS. If that doesn't come up, I would be. Because I would have Google killed some operating system before ChromeOS. What if it only comes up with the limited edition Google breakfast cereal?

Chromeoes. Chromios. ChromeOS is there right on the first page. Dang. Nice. All right. Beautiful. Giving it back to Team.

All right. Coastal elites. You get a bonus for only doing two words. I think it was your win. So this is to me and Ellis again? Yeah. This is for the win. FTW.

Not yet. Unless we also cook. Unless they cook. This is for the opportunity to win. Exactly. All we do is potentially win. No matter what. We're still tied up.

3.3. 3 3. 3. Team coastal elites. Here's your question. Oh, man. What app was purchased by meta in 2012 for $1 billion? Instagram. So TikTok, I'll turn it.

Popular TikTok alternative. No, no, no, photo. We can't use app, right? Popular. Cannot use app. No, just popular TikTok alternative. Literally, it'll say Reels. It'll say Instagram Reels.

Yeah, you're right. I guarantee you. You're right. Popular TikTok. You're right. Sure. Whatever. Yeah, you're right.

Just, yeah. I need an answer. David. Popular TikTok alternative. I think it's going to work, but. You should just say reels. Yeah, you should have just said reels. Oh.

No, we should have done. I thought you can't say the answer. It's not a answer. You got it. Let's go. That would have been so funny if it didn't. That did. All right.

For the tie, next question. Too much time left on the clock. Founders, Reggie Brown, Bobby Murphy, and Evan Spiegel made this social media app for sharing messages and pictures. What was it? Ephemeral photos.

Lively. Pokemon picture game. I thought it was Snapchat. Wait, what is the question? Oh, wait. It has to say, oh, I was. It's not just called Snapchat, not Snap. Yeah, Snapchat.

Okay. Snapchap. Ephemoral photos. What's ephemeral? Disappearing. Oh. Why don't we just say disappearing? Disappearing photos.

App. We can say app. You can't say app. Self deleting photos. Oh, yellow ghost. Yellow ghost icon. Yellow ghost icon. Yellow ghost icon.

Yellow ghost icon. Technically the ghost is white, though, but the background. Yeah, I know. It's going to work. It's going to work. I know. You got it. It is.

We got none of them right. Three time. I know. So, I think we've edged you out. Next question. Lute, spelled L-O-O-P-T,

was a location-based social media or social networking application developed by one of the founders of Open A-I. Which one? Shame all men. Listen, we could do like worst dude ever.

Giant whole liar. How about CEO? Bigot. CEO Pop-Color CEO? Or what about oligarchs? No. List of oligarchs.

Can we use the term AI? Can we use AI? Wait, let me do. AI CEOs. Popular AI CEOs. Sure. I'll give it to. Popular AI CEOs.

Is that it? Yeah. I would just do AI CEOs. We don't even need popular in there. No, it got the point. To tie it up or to lose. This is a lot of pressure. So after that correct point,

The score is coastal elites with five, team lawn sports with four. For the tie. Make it hard. Come on. Or for the loss. Make it hard at him. Apple CEO Tim Cook has a middle name. What is it?

Whoa. I have no clue what it is. Apple. What did you say Apple CEO Tim Cook? Has a middle name. What is it? Dude, what if his middle name was Apple Watch? How do we get the Apple?

How do we just get it to say Tim Cook middle name? Tech CEO. Wait, we can't even say middle name. This is impossible. His middle name is Apple. It's Tim Apple. It's Tim Apple. It's Tim Apple Cook.

Top 500 boys' names. Don't give them my idea. There's so many words we can't use for this. Tim Applecook. Yeah. I use four words. I said tech executive middle names, but we can't say that's two words for CEO. We just can't say CEO.

I guess he's full name. Or we can't say name. Oh. there's this is an impossible question unless we know it that's pretty tough because we can't say full names

oh okay wait popular men's names what if you just Google Tim Cook I think you can't say Tim Cook can you just not say name either we can't say name because it's in the question

yeah oh and you can't say Apple or CEO this is impossible I'll give you a time because it's hard is there a possible correct answer to this there is I mean, yeah, it's his middle name. It's just his middle name. Well, yeah, I guess I don't know what his middle name is.

It would really help if I knew what his middle name was. It would really help if you knew what his name was. If it was like... I would like the opportunity to steal. Oh. Wait, for why. Or ahead. Or ahead.

What's another word for name? Sir name? I want to give you guys a hint, but I also want this game to end. So I'm torn. Popular men's... How about we give up, but then you give us a hint, and then we can get it right, but we don't win. Well, we should guess.

There's a solid chance if it's just like... Okay, we can guess a... We just need a list of names. We need a big list of names and hope it's a normal one. Popular boy babies. Yeah, I mean, like, honestly, it's probably babies. Popular middle names. We can't say names.

Jesus. I was thinking you could go... Or so much easier if you knew the name. You need his, like, full... Like his Wikipedia page to pop up, right? So it's like, what if it was like Apple executive or iPhone executive full? Stop giving. Ellis really wants to stop.

To go for another two hours. Do you want to listen? I thought they said they were getting the phone. Trying to get names. iPhone. I think we just go names. You can't say name. Tim Apple.

You can't say Tim. You can't say Tim. You can't say Apple. Oh my God. Fruit. Man. Middle. I don't know.

You can't say middle. I don't. You can't say middle? Do you think that the executive page on Apple.com says, that says all the executive names? They don't even list their RAM in the iPhone. Why would they say his middle name? Do you guys want the hint? I want to like say in the game.

Or do you want to just like call it? Let's take the hint. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. Do we lose if we take the hint? No, no, fine. Let's keep going. Oh, my gosh.

Oh, my gosh. I was going to say we should just go for it. Like a list of middle names? You can't say middle or name. Wait, so you're taking a hint? Popular boy babies, I think, would get just a big list of names. True. Do you think it's a common middle name?

Do you think it's a common name for his middle name? His name is Tim. From the Midwest, dude. Texas. Mobile Alabama. I thought it's from Alabama. Isn't Alabama the Midwest? Absolutely.

No. Yes, the South. That's definitely the middle. Okay. Alabama's an F1 driver. Okay, let's take the hint. The hint is he shares this name with the president of the United States. It's his first name.

Oh. It's his first name. Oh. Okay, so Trump. No, I would just do like, five. I'm saying Google Trump. Biblical names. Oh, I see.

Biblical. I can't say names? No. I don't think that's a. He said middle name. Trump? Is that his middle name? Is his middle name Donald?

I know it's Jay. No, Donald Trump's middle name. The first name of the president. Oh. Oh, never mind. That is not a biblical name. Unless he has something to do it. Oh.

Dunk. Oh, president of U.S. I have another guess. If you just Google Trump, it'll come up, but I don't want it to be that easy. Yeah, that's too easy. We can just lose. Now it's too easy.

Hold on, do this. Since I said it, just do popular boy babies. And if that works, then we stay in. Okay. I mean, we lose either way, right? Yeah, try it. All right. Popular boy.

That's not coming out. Donald's not coming up. Do you know just the word Donald to come out or do you need, oh, dude, just do like duck cartoon guy. That's what I was thinking. I didn't know what it was. Duffy's the girl though. Donald's not there.

That's a fair ill. All right. We did not know his middle. Popular boy babies. Well, that means that the winner is Team Coastal Elite. Oh, yeah, that. Congrats. Congratulations to the Coastal elites.

You get this one. Once again. Unfortunately, unfortunately, there are no real points. associated with that one. You know what there are real points associated with though? Yeah, we didn't. Oh, yeah, we stopped to do.

Trivia. We stopped to do act. Dude. That's so funny. LSC, you want to do your question from there? I'm already here. Yeah, might as well. Guys, what came first?

PlayStation Online, which it technically wasn't called PlayStation online at that point, but like, you know what I mean. On the PlayStation 2. Or Xbox Live. And I'll give you a bonus point.

If you can name a game that at launch was part of the six titles that had online capabilities on the PlayStation 2. I don't remember all of them off the top of my... You keep saying that, and I can't tell if you're giving away the answer or not. I don't know if it was a launch title on the PlayStation

2, but I know when the online service launched, this title was like launched with it, too. But I feel, well, you wouldn't guess by what I flip, but I'm assuming you're giving away the answer by saying but all of us still picked Xbox. Yeah, you're all wrong.

I feel like you were giving it away by constantly saying He was indeed. Pick one of these and also pick the next part of the correct answer that I'm giving up. That would make sense, but it was just because PlayStation was like in the thing. So Need for Speed wasn't one of them? Need for Speed was not one of them.

Those might have launched with it on the Xbox, but the only game that I really recognized is like, oh yeah, I know that game is Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3. There's not online. So it was on PlayStation? It was on PlayStation. Next question. The iPad Pro first generation came out in 2015, but do you remember how much RAM it had go?

I thought I had way more than this. Pro. There's two answers, right? Two answers. One point each. The score, why do you guys do that? Marquez with zero. Andrew and David tied at one.

Because the score is the first one, the first pro? The first generation pro. No, you know what? Wait, it was an iPad. Pro or is like an iPad just bigger? What? iPad Pro? Whole. Oh.

I can't decide on how much the other one would be. Yeah, it's... Flip them and read. What do you got? Oh, we ran the gamut. They all had different answers. Okay, Mark has go first. I said one gig and two gigs. One gig is wrong.

Two gigs is right. Wait, for the bigger one? We'll see. We'll see. I said, Andrew, what you say? Two gigs and three gigs. Two gigs and three gigs? Yeah. Two gigs is correct. So you get the point. David, what'd you say? Four gigs and six gigs

four gigs. Four gigs and six gigs. You get the point. Wait, because four is right? Four is right. Am I the only person, but am I the only one who got it? I'm not trying to change. I know people get mad when I bring it up. I'm not trying to change anything. You did not get it right. What? Two was on the lower. I'm the only one who got it right on the correct model as well. Oh yeah, but I was that wasn't the question. Yeah. Just saying bonus fake point. Look at Andrew. Nice. So was it three and, no, it was two and two or four? I was gonna guess three and four so. Okay. Two gigs on the nine point seven inch, four gigs on the twelve point nine inch.

We'll take it. Well, that leaves a couple more points out there now. We appreciate resetting the score for Trivia extravaganza, so we'll have plenty of time to build up points over the new season. But anyway, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening and thanks for, of course, following and rating. I know a lot of y'all go on the podcast players that you listen to and and rate waveform very highly, which is very exciting and very happy.

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