Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Gadgets of CES 2022 and Predictions Gone Wrong

Episode Date: January 7, 2022

CES 2022 is here but seeing as we're not there in person, Marques and Andrew decided to make a game out of some of the weirder and more interesting gadgets we've seen come out of it so far. After that, they discuss the new Tesla update that some people don't like before taking a look back at their smartphone predictions from last year. There's a lot of gadgets and phone talk in this one so buckle up! Links: Samsung Remote: https://bit.ly/3pZCmHg TCL 98-inch TV: https://bit.ly/3eWbBNF Curved LG Stationary bike: https://bit.ly/3n4g8Su Chipolo card: https://bit.ly/3n3i8u2 Targus backpack: https://bit.ly/3r27yFc Smart lightbulb: https://bit.ly/3zyewVY Finger nibbling robot: https://on.wsj.com/32O2A6R Smartphone predictions 2021 episode: https://spoti.fi/3mZX2Nu Twitters: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/AdamLukas17 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Shop the merch: shop.mkbhd.com Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. What is up? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. And I'm Andrew coming at you live from CES In Las Vegas, Nevada, although you can't tell but we're green screened back into the studio beautiful green scene three angles

I mean like you can't even tell we're not in the studio really well done. I'm just kidding. We're not at CES right now We we have seen that CES is still happening, and we're going to talk about some CES stuff. We're going to talk a little bit about Tesla's new UI update, the upsides and downsides of having a software UI. And then, of course, we're going to do a little bit of a beginning of the year type thing. I guess you've got a plan. Yeah, a little plan just at the end. We're going to go over some old predictions. Okay. See how they turned out.

Yeah. We're going to start with CES. Like I said, we're not there. This is the first year since my first ever CES that I'm not going. So I'm trying to think back. I don't want to sound too old right now, but it's been almost a decade of CESs that I've gone to. Yeah. The first year it's available to go to, right? Because last year was just completely virtual for everyone. Oh, right, right, right. Yes. I've attended every in-person CES since my

first CES and that's been like 10 years so this is the first one i'm not going to a lot of covid safety stuff a lot of just like me having done it already and not feeling a super big need to go but there is still plenty of stuff happening there's lots of ces stuff that always happens um so we're going to go through some of those quick hits right off the top yeah i i wrote down a couple that kind of like caught my eye. I mean, CES, we all know, has like a ton of crazy stuff, but there's always like five or six headlines that everyone needs to go see. I mean, like remember the LG rollable TV like that was a must must see.

I keep seeing TV ads for that. Have you seen these? I have not. There's there's literal LG ads now. I mean, if you watch enough NBAba games you'll probably see one but it's just like this happy-go-lucky like family who just has a rollable tv in the middle of the room which is weird to me because where do you plug it in um and it's yeah it's a kid doing like ballet or being a ballerina in front of their hundred thousand dollar rollable tv i just don't know why they pick that TV for their ads.

It's weird. Yeah, if you're going to have a 100,000 rollable TV, you've got a room big enough to put it in the middle of the room, not up against the wall. That is true. That's kind of neat. That started at CES for sure. Cool, yeah.

All right, so things I've seen this year so far. There's a Samsung remote that can wirelessly charge through radio frequencies. I saw the headline right so like i did i quickly looked at it this it basically can like slowly sip energy from your router frequencies when it's not being used to i guess keep charge but it also which i think is kind of cooler has like a little solar panel on the back of it. So when if you flip the remote upside down next to like a lamp, it's as a lamp. I didn't realize maybe I'm just dumb, but I didn't realize solar panels can get energy from artificial light anyway. Yeah. OK, cool.

Yeah. From lamps or I guess like a window or something like that. But to me, that sounds like remotes don't take a lot of usage. Like you rarely change the batteries in your remote. So even just the solar panel on the back of one seems like a pretty solid idea. I think that makes the most sense. Out of all the gadgets in your house, which one sits the longest in the same place?

Yeah, and there's a 50% chance it's upside down and possibly in the sun or something like that. So yeah, I feel like that's not a bad idea. TCL's coming out with a 98 inch QLED TV. Sounds fun.

That's insane. It's a 98-inch. So how much, is there a price? I'm going to click on this link because I haven't seen this yet. Is there a price? I don't remember a price, but I mean, 98 inches, I think the most I really think of is maybe 85. Is ours 88, that LG signature?

That is an 88. Okay. I mean, that's ridiculous. Usually that's where the projector world steps in. They're like, yeah, well, you can't have a TC that's 100 inches, so come do this short throw projector that can get you to 100 inches. But now we kind of are there. Yeah, that is the quintessential CES thing. It's been, just like in the history of CES, there's always of tvs yeah and you always get to see like the next wave of tv or display related stuff happen in this show at the beginning of the year so there was a whole

year where every tv was curved like everyone who made tvs had a curved tv in their booth not an exaggeration innovation baby yeah and it was like all, how much do you want it to curve? How wide will it curve? Will it curve like diagonally or just horizontally? There was all these things. There was a year of 3D TVs, of course. I did see one this year. I don't know if I would call it a curved TV,

but it was actually an LG thing where it was basically curved upwards and it was a stationary bike so that you can can more aptively, I guess, see your surroundings in this fake bike ride, which to me just feels like put on VR goggles. That is way easier and immersive. True, true.

There's, I think, multiple versions of this, but there was one monitor that was curved that you could rotate into being vertically curved, which, again, that's a classic Samsung being vertically curved which again that's a that's a classic samsung thing but they made that too uh yeah no if you if you just want immersion you can you can level up immersion pretty easily with a headset but some people don't want to do the headset they just want a huge monitor and that's still have to be able to see your kids running around i guess or something exactly um by the way i'm seeing tcl latest xl model starts under 8 000

so i think we can all assume that means 799. Sure. Okay, cool. Yeah, you see the TV world like this, this 98-inch QLED TV or, yeah, QLED TV is a CES-type headline. Like, where else would they show off this crazy thing that most people will never buy?

But you do see a lot of the reasonably priced innovations and, like, cool smaller OLED TVs, for example, at a show like this too so still happening yeah um next one i saw this one i really like it's not like a crazy crazy ces like bleeding edge thing but it's just something i really want and that's uh basically a credit card that attaches to the find my app with apple so that you can put it in your wallet not the thickness of like an air tag but actually just have a regular credit card in your wallet that's a find my it's a really good application yeah yeah so this is essentially turning your wallet into a smart

wallet or at least being able to find it by only taking up one card slot which like i know we're all trying to be a little more minimal usually with our wallets that seems to be our generation so it still stinks holding one up but like it's way better than shoving an air tag in there and we could both use it yeah earlier this week we haven't said this yet but we both we both arrived at the studio on the first weekday of the new year and we have our our little cards and our wallets to get into the building and into the studio. And I step out my car. I'm like, yeah, I don't have my wallet.

I forgot it. And you step out your car and you're like, oh, no worries. I can let us in. And then you realize you didn't have your wallet either. And we both somehow forgot our wallet on the same day. That was a little embarrassing. It was the first day back from break. I feel like my morning routine had gotten lazy.

And I knew exactly where I left it. It's one of those things. But like if you didn't know where you left it it's one of those things but like if you didn't know where you left it you could have this card in there and you could just pull it up on the phone and be like oh yeah my wallet is at my home address right now and maybe even find it inside your home with this so yeah no that's that's definitely really useful i don't want to carry an airpod thickness thing inside a regular wallet yeah that's crazy um so it's coming it's 35 it's called the chiplo cart chipolo card um 35 for a single 60 bucks for two pack now one thing because it's so thin non-replaceable battery says it'll last about two years and then you get a 50 discount if you recycle it two years is

actually better than i expect yeah that's really solid i think pretty good um and then also just like on top of that i also saw another quick headline just about Yeah, that's really solid. That's pretty good. And then also just like on top of that, I also saw another quick headline just about a backpack that's coming with Find My built into it. So I feel like we're getting into the time of everything's going to start having the Find My tracking tool involved into it. So this is like the

age-old question of do you buy, like when Assistant started getting built into everything, do you buy a new thing with Assistant in it or do you keep using your current thing but sort of add the track to it the tracker like i'm not gonna buy a new backpack just to have find my i'll probably buy one of these cards and put it in my backpack because i like my backpack and i don't want to buy specifically that one new model but it is a cool concept that it can be just like threaded right into the bag it also seems super on brand of peak eventually added that onto it oh i could see that like that would

totally work so i think we're just going to see a lot more of these everyday things that we have um getting these tracking options involved in them um which for apple is fantastic because that means more people are going to want to buy an iphone instead of being able to track it yep yeah i could have bought a tile for my backpack this whole time. Yeah. But I didn't. I'm going to get one of these cards instead. Yeah.

That's crazy. Okay. So that's kind of like the couple of fun things I read, but we all kind of know CES as like crazy headlines, really weird, super niche products. So we're going to play a little game. Adam and I made a little game out of this for you. You are the contestant. You're not versus anyone. But we're basically going to play a little game. Adam and I made a little game out of this for you. You are the contestant. You're not versus anyone.

But we're basically going to win. If you don't get made fun of in the comments, you have won. Okay. Okay, cool. We're basically going to play two truths and a lie, but CES version. So essentially, mostly Adam picked out like some of the weirdest gadgets that people have been reporting on so far. And we've made five rounds. Each round has three items.

Two of them are real. One of them is fake. Okay. And I'm going to read through them. It's this year's CES. Okay. I'll give it my best shot. I'll be honest.

I thought CES started today. So if there's a bunch of stuff I haven't seen yet from previous days, this could be rough. I think it's like that weird thing where're seeing as like the text the show floor started today but like they all start those like pre the like pre-announcements and stuff like that and mostly you have to announce things so people come to your suite and everything so okay um all right cool we're gonna start this off i'm going to read i guess through all of them we have a small description of each of them and then at the end you can tell me which one is real and which one's fake wow okay let's do it round one perfect fill

smart bathing technology lets you fill your bath with a voice commands no more waiting for your bath to fill after a long day it has presets so you can save specific temperatures for you and your partner or even your kids starts at 272,700. Then we have the John Deere self-driving autonomous tractor kit. Six cameras and we'll stop the tractor if there's a dog in the way. It combines machine learning, GPS-powered auto-steel, and the kit can be fitted onto recent John Deere tractors and is powered by a phone app. Then we have the Bee Buddy Bee Feeder.

A bee feeder with a camera that connects to your wi-fi so you can watch the bees as they harvest their honey and create their hives starts at 299 but comes with a live queen bee to start your own hive okay uh two real one big so a bath a bath a bathing technology a self-driving John Deere tractor. Tractor kit. Tractor kit. So you can retrofit. Right.

And a beehive, a smart beehive. So I've seen the John Deere headline already. So I know that that one's real, the self-driving. Some of the stuff that you probably have maybe seen a little bit of. Yeah, so I've seen that. Now, the beehive one, I could totally see. I could totally see being like, yeah, we'll give you a queen bee and you can have your own smart beehive and monitor and all of the, imagine all the metrics of how much honey

you're getting out of it, all this stuff. The smart faucet thing is an interesting concept. I just can't picture why it would be $2,700 for a smart. You said it was a smart faucet that you pre-select your temperature for a self-bathing you might have to read that what's funny is i'm just gonna read you the description i have here which i yeah i guess i technically the photo i have here oh i don't just shows that i probably shouldn't talk about the photos that much even though we have photos for everything including the fake ones so i'll just describe a photo here i guess it's pretty much just it's just a ui that shows a bathtub filled and the temperature of it i think

you can do that with uh with a smart faucet which is a real thing okay and um so lets you fill your bath with a voice command no more waiting for your bath to fill after a long day has presets so you can save specific temperatures for your partner or your kids $2,700 wow this is tough I I could very easily see that being real and I could very easily see the beehive being real at CES though I don't know that you could demo the beehive part uh so it's tough let's go with with John Deere is real. Okay. And Beehive is real. Incorrect.

No way. John Deere is real. I like the buzzer. Okay. So Adam's very smart here. The Beehive was a bird feeder, but he changed it to a Beehive. So it is very real. Although, let's be honest, I would way rather have a smart Beehive.

That sounds way cooler than a bird feeder. I want to know feeder um but yeah the no the smart bathing technology is real i'm going to assume 2700 because does it include the bathtub also it doesn't look like it actually it doesn't even show a picture i think they're overcharging a little bit i think they're overcharging a lot a bit on that one um okay cool round one wow no you got you got one kind of right like partial credit partial credit yeah round two here um the lg standby me rolling tv 27 inch oled tv that's attached to a stand with wheels as you walk around the house you can it will follow you and you can also attach the screen and hold it on your lap we have the the Samsung Gear Bixby Health Smart Band. GPS tracker, heart rate detector, SPO2 tracking, sleep tracking, and a bunch of other health options.

Problem is it has no screens, no buttons. You only interact with it using Bixby to save for battery life. And it claims it has a seven-day battery life because of that. Portable air purifier noise-canceling earbuds. Portable air purifier noise-canceling earbuds. As we know, COVID is airborne. A lot of people have become more aware about germs or spread, so we're still singing happy birthday while washing our hands,

but these headphones purify the air around you by pushing negative ions around your face while doubling as a pair of noise-canceling earbuds. Whoa. Okay okay that was a long very descriptive that was brutal that was a very like pitchy so that last one with the earbuds and the ions seems so dumb that it has to be real like that's like a that's a quintessential ces dumb real type type of product So I could totally see that. Especially this year at CES, I could see that.

So remind me the second one again. It's the Bixby. Oh yeah, the Bixby. I could see that. So Samsung makes, I mean they make a million things but they make a smart band that tracks a bunch of stuff and then to save battery life, no screen. No screen, yeah. Only interact i guess kind of like

whoop i mean whoop's been doing that for years no screen decent enough battery does your software is bixby yeah yeah uh bixby can i clarify bixby the voice assistant or bixby like yeah like bixby the voice assistant because you don't have a screen yeah yeah okay all right uh and then the first one is the lg standby me rolling tv oh that one that that one sounds bad so 27 inch screen rolls around following you that's pretty big that's imax size it is and then you can pop it off and hold it in your lap so i mean just a touch screen yes 27 inch touch screen wow i actually think the the bixby one is fake correct okay good job yeah that was a good i liked that idea the rolling tv though i mean look at this picture of it oh my god where's the wheels it's underneath the little platform i'm guessing but like this thing would

topple over so easy very yeah that would roll for about 30 seconds in my house before it would just crack the screen. Hurdles itself down some stairs. Yeah, and you are very right. The air purifying noise canceling earbuds are a real thing. If anyone's wondering who's listening, it's like one of those earbuds

that have like the neck piece. So that is the part that's blowing the air out and like counteracting your... Yeah. All right. Cool. Wait, also, I don't know if the TV is touchscreen, just to clarify. Then that's even dumber.

You pop it off and just watch stuff. It's still real. Also dumb. Wow. Round three. Earbuds. Bluetooth earbud-like device that tracks your ear humidity and helps you dehumidify your ears. Turn them on, takes three minutes to measure, and then dehumidify your ear canals.

These do not play music. They're actually made to take care of your ears because you use earbuds for too long. Smart dog collar. Basically a Fitbit for your dog. Tracks health, overall activity, sleep, and has GPS built in. Battery will last several weeks between recharges and the dog gets out of a predetermined area. And if a dog gets out of a predetermined area. And if a dog gets out of a predetermined area, it has escape alerts and then an automatic pet water bowl.

So the water bowl has a giant tank on top that dispenses predetermined amounts of water. Depending on the activity of your pet, it has cameras that uses AI to recognize your pet and understand how frequently it is drinking water, giving you alerts every time it takes a sip. It also alert you if your pet hasn't drank enough water at the end of every week you'll get a graph sent through the app to show water consumption okay okay okay so we've got uh an ear dehumidifying earbud

that doesn't play music that doesn't play any music just dehumidifies your ear canal or according to the yeah the description only talks about dehumidifying it talks nothing about about sound quality or anything then you've got a pet tracking like a fitbit for your for your dog yeah a collar collar and then you've got a smart water bowl. So I've seen the headlines about the first two. So I've seen the headlines of the ear dehumidifying earbud. I have no idea if there's, I mean, there's going to be someone out there who's like, Marques, how do you not know about all the ear dehumidifying gadgets out there? But I'll be honest, I can't believe anyone would actually buy this.

But, you know, maybe it's just a proof of concept. They're showing off how they can dehumidify small spaces with earbuds. Cool. But that's real, which is crazy. And then, yeah, the pet collar. That one I actually think would be cool. Like I have my fitness tracking. I kind of want to know if like my dog needs more activity

or like how much activity they're getting and relatively you know higher low levels of it uh so the smart water bowl feels like a like a quality like science fair project where like if you you could get your water dispenser to tell you how much you drank during the week it would work it'd be fine but i think that's the fake one yeah you're right i i believe there are like there are automatic water bowls obviously but like not ai driven telling alerting you when your dog drinks from it um the dog dog smart collar there's a few of them out there i think and i'd like to try that do all of the things i know we've talked about one that's just like an invisible fence version of it but doing everything is

uh gps and everything okay two more oh yes all right it's great round four the moen no handle faucet in covid times we're all washing our hands a ton so moen has created a faucet that's completely driven by ai there's no handles so you don't have to touch it at all it just has five sensors to detect what is going under the faucet and automatically sets the pressure and temperature of the water we have theinker, a mobile app and device that when combined can create and print temporary tattoos on your body. You can create a tattoo on your phone and the device will spray a primer on your skin then start printing a temporary tattoo.

And the Sony Finder Remote. The new Sony remote has Google Assistant built in so whenever you lose your remote you can ask your Google Assistant and it will make a noise to help you locate it under the couch cushions. It also has automatic backlight that will light up buttons whenever you pick it up in the room that is dark. So that last one sounds like a pretty solid product, actually. A remote that you can always find with Google Assistant.

Adam's good at making up pretty solid products. Yeah, that's what I'm saying this is this is a tough one so the first one was a no touch faucet now there's a lot of no touch faucets that already exist but i guess this one's newly designed to be in the home and maybe has some smart sensors to determine what's happening to determine what's going under the faucet yeah so that that to me seems the least realistic especially like i remember seeing a i think it was shark tank where like you would put food on a plate that's what ovens tries to do well okay so but the the oven has a camera inside that looks down and uses like vision to see what's on your plate when you put it in but this plate was supposed to just like

molecularly determine what food it is and know and tell you how many calories it was and that did not pass the shark tank test i'm sure it did and i don't think there's any any faucets out there without like some seriously impressive image recognition that can actually determine like oh you're washing dishes and you need hot water versus cold water or you're washing your hands or you're washing some other washcloth or whatever? I don't know what it would be recognizing. So that's the one I'm the most confused about. I don't think that's the real one.

Okay. But remind me what the second one was. It's a temporary tattoo printer. Oh God, right, right. I mean, if you want to talk about confusing. A temporary tattoo printer. The Prinker. There's a name? The what? the printer ink i don't really get the name if i'm being printer prinker i guess ink printer oh god i think that's

real oh no i'm gonna i'm gonna go with that the temporary tattoo printer is real okay and that the first one with the faucet is actually the fake one good job that's right another winner yeah the there is moan did make a no handle faucet i think it's worse than what i made up there because like you don't use um you have to do it using voice commands, using gestures or a mobile app. So I just can't imagine like turning my sync on with voice commands. That sounds ridiculous. I actually don't think an AI driven one would be that hard. It's like, here's dishes, hot water.

Here's your hands, like warm water. Here's a glass that maybe you're filling up cold water. I think that seems really easy. It does. But like, where do you put the sensors and like, are they just cameras? I guess at that point, all just vision. So what happens when they get wet? I mean, this real version of this has a camera that sees your hand gestures.

The front? Yeah. Oh, there's a camera on the front? On the front. I guess it would have to. Well, I guess because you can do your gestures on the front where the thing would have to reach the bottom, I guess. I don't know.

Interesting. Oh, yeah. I'm glad I got that i got that one though yeah that was a tough one that was good that was tough all right okay this is the last round and this is my favorite one okay okay the see-through smart glasses a pair of prescription glasses that you can wear outside and around town except that if you want to you can also mirror your computer screen at the click of a button on the right temple when you're working at the computer they're just regular glasses but if you want to go sit on the couch during a zoom presentation you can also mirror your computer screen at the click of a button on the right temple. When you're working at the computer, they're just regular glasses, but if you want to go sit on the couch during a Zoom presentation, you can press the button to mirror your computer screen. Battery life, four hours. Smart Health Tracking Light Bulb. I don't even like reading

that one out loud. A light bulb with a built-in radar sensor that can read heart rate, body temperature, and other vital signs. It can even read through materials like textiles so clothes aren't a problem and of course it detects movement uses bluetooth to create a map of your home and radar to sense you so no cameras just vibes finger nibbling robot toy most people most people like the nibbling sensation but no they need to teach their children or pets to stop nibbling this robot frees humankind of the conundrum of whether to pursue pursue or not to pursue the forbidden pleasure uses an algorithm to cycle through two dozen nibbling patterns so you won't get bored using it so it's for wait so it's for people who like

like their hand being nibbled by an animal or a child yes and so the robot just nibbles your hand yeah because i guess it's a bad habit to teach your pets or kids oh my god okay wow okay all right so there's that there's a smart light bulb so it's tracking health tracking light bulb a health tracking light bulb sees through clothes can see what your what your body temperature is what is it what is it tracking though heart rate body temperature vital signs i have a hard time okay i have a hard time with that one uh did you say how it was tracking infrared i don't know there just seems like too much interference happening with it doesn't it

just says built-in radar sensor. Radar. Oh, no way. Radar is not high-res enough for that. These are just small descriptions also, too. So realize these aren't the full. Right. And the first one is smart glasses, which we've seen a lot of this whole AR thing popping up. You know, you get smart glasses.

You get a display up there. Maybe you want to mirror some stuff. There's stuff like that actually that kind of exists already um for our battery life is very realistic so if that's the fake one that's a great tidbit um but i'm gonna say that the the nibbling thing is so weird i can't believe i i think that's real i i think that's actually real I think the light bulb is fake because I don't think you can track that much high res information through all the interference of

all the lights that come out of a light bulb I think that's the fake one Adam apparently that's real the light bulb is real? which one's fake um the glasses it's robot toy man all right so this is just coming from an article it's called this smart light bulb monitors your health but it's a little creepy singlet standout cs 2020 smart home device

is a health monitoring light bulb yeah i'm not sure about that not into it i this seems like something that's that announced but maybe isn't working completely properly yet but it is a real thing and it is a real headline from ces 2020 um and yes the finger nibbling robot toy is just as creepy oh it's shaped like an animal and you put it in its mouth and everything come Come on. That's ridiculous. Two dozen different nibbling patterns. Yeah, I feel like you had to know that was real because none of us are creative enough. Yeah, to come up with that. That's ridiculous. When I wrote that in the document when Adam and I were doing it, he just quickly wrote,

please tell me this is fake. That is quality CES. And also now you're going to go to CES and 100,000 people from all over the world are going to stick their finger in one thing. The nibbling robot is what will spread Omicron a great time yeah all right well it's time for a break i think well one more quick thing just like an idea of how this was how this was kind of tough to set up because cs is so ridiculous adam made up a product and then searched it and it was a real product really yeah do Yeah, do you want to tell us about that? Yeah, so I was looking for things that seemed kind of realistic,

but then tweaking certain things so they weren't actually the real thing. So I was like, okay, what if there's a pillow that tracks your sleeping things and gives you like information about your sleep stuff? And I was like, that seems realistic enough where we might be able to trick them. And I was like, let me just quickly Google this.

And it was literally announced this CES, there's like a motion pillow three that tracks your head movements and stuff that's incredible yeah see that's kind of what happens at ces you get every little idea that maybe wasn't good enough for its own event or its own announcement and it shows up at the trade show and you just kind of check it out you just sort of push it out there and let people see like do you like you like nibbling robots? Like, is that what you're into? Okay. I've had enough CES. I think we've all had enough. Yeah.

That was hard to notice. Yeah. Let's take a quick break and come back. You know what's great about ambition? You can't see it. Some things look ambitious, but looks can be deceiving. For example, a runner could be training for a marathon, or they could be late for the bus. You never know.

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all over Twitter, all over Reddit. It just feels like everybody's talking about, but I'm not a Tesla owner, so I need your help a little. It seems like this new Tesla UI update is a lot of, first I was seeing some good for it, and now I've been seeing a lot of backlash

about how hard it's kind of making things. Yeah. Did you get the upgrade for it or the update? So I do not have this update. Okay. But I am in the advanced queue to get these updates. Okay. So I can explain. First of all, there's there's Model 3s and Model Ys that have one touchscreen in the middle. Yeah. And then there's Model S and Model X, which have one screen in the middle and a second screen behind the dashboard. Okay. That was my first question actually, because the older, but it's only Model S Plaid that has that one now, right? Or is Raven updated to that? All of them, all of the cars have been updated. Okay. However, this was already a problem in Model S Plaid and all the new Model Ss and Xs. Okay.

And so Model 3s and older cars and Raven, which had the vertical screen, are all now getting, I think, slightly, I think it's pretty clear, slightly worse because of this update. So first of all, here's what happened. You have, in a normal car, you just have a heat seat button. Yep. You just have one button. You just press that, your heat starts to warm up, your warms up you press it again it turns off in model s previously and in a

lot of these cars model 3 previously at the bottom of the screen there was a seat button so you sort of remembered where it was on the screen and it's still one tap away you tap it yeah your heat your seat heater starts going you tap again it's gone So they've done this new update, which is cleaned up the bottom and put it all in this nice, neat little dock. And there's a bunch of different shortcuts in the dock. And they have all the HVAC controls hidden behind the temperature. And this has always been the case on Model S Plaid. So every time I wanted to heat my seat, I have to go hit the temperature,

which opens all the HVAC controls, then hit the seat, and then turn the seat and then turn the heating on so it was a couple clicks away okay so i found that pretty annoying in that car but i gotten used to it but model 3 owners have always still had that button right there yeah that button just went away and they got replaced with this update which now makes them all like model s plaid which means you go hit the temperature hit your heat seater and then turn it on it's several taps away so it's this weird update that just made it more difficult to do a lot of things that I think most car owners expect to be extremely easy. It's too many clicks to be

muscle memory. I think that's the real problem. And I've had a bunch of small software complaints about the latest Model S for a while. One of them being if I want to change fan speed, I have to go hit the temperature. And then at the top, there's like a slider. And I have to like slide this like very small touchscreen slider manually in the middle of the screen. No way to do that without taking my eyes off the road. You could just map it to a button on the steering wheel. It's not possible to do that without taking my eyes off the road. You could just map it to a button on the steering wheel. It's not possible to do that. So things like that, you know, there used to not actually be any way to access viewing

sentry mode footage. They added that with a software update. So at least they're thinking about making things better. But this particular update for HVAC controls, universally bad. Usually, yeah, you want things to be quickly accessible. Exactly. I mean, if you're adding a touchscreen, we kind of talked about this a little bit with the yoke steering wheel, where just like lack of

buttons makes it harder to find things. And now you've gotten more used to it. But imagine now your yoke steering wheel where you've gotten used to the buttons and now they switch places on you. And like, you can't really find exactly where those buttons are off. And yes, we can all look at the screen but i hope everyone understands here that you probably shouldn't be looking at the screen when you're driving a car um and temperature is something

we change while we drive the car heated seats or something we change while we drive the car like um yeah it seems yeah universally like i think andy sly said it takes six button presses to turn on his heated seat and get back to his regular like menu yeah i think you can ridiculous yeah it's definitely too many so that's like that really highlights for me the upside and downside of like this new wave of cards that's coming out they're all very high tech and have a big oh this is gonna be everyone yeah yeah which is that number, yes, they can be updated. The performance gets better. The buttons get nicer looking.

They get faster. Everything improves over time, ideally with software updates. But number two, the bad thing is sometimes they're going to make mistakes and make things worse. And this is one of those examples where I think they could roll it back and everyone would be really happy. But, yeah, this is not great. On all the previous cars, by the way,

they had all the buttons like locked. I could turn the heat seat around without looking. Even though it wasn't a physical button, it was in the same place on the touchscreen every time. And so I'd get in my car and without even looking, I know right like two thirds over from the left side of the screen, I just press right there, my heat seat are just turned on.

Yeah. So this is weird. It had a dock on the bottom of it pretty much that had all the things. Like I'm looking at it, I posted it on our dock it has the old ui and kind of the new ui and um like it's very clear there's the seat button next to each of the climate trolls for driver and passenger you've got like music gps defroster is that now like i'm assuming that's a couple clicks away now it yeah it has has been on this car for a while.

Yeah. That seems like pain in the neck. All of the HVAC controls are behind that one temperature button. So it's at least one click away before you start to change stuff. That seems like kind of a pain in the neck. And then like the other thing I wrote is wipers. I know it has automatic wipers, but I've never been in a car where the automatic wipers are perfect and always match exactly what I want to do. So I feel like wipers on a stock would be awesome, obviously.

Yeah, I don't mind the wipers as they are, which is basically you turn them on and then you get a slider through the wheel on the steering wheel and you can slide them up or down based on speed. Now, so what if, let's just imagine you have that wheel on the side of your, what is it default to on the side of your yoke uh when you turn it on you can just do a single wipe if you turn it on and scroll the wheel then you can go

up to auto up to single double triple or so the wheel is always wiper or do you activate something then use the wheel you hit the windshield wiper button to get one wipe okay and when you do that the menu pops up so if you want to keep them on you scroll the wheel up to auto okay or up again to slow and then up again to medium and up again to fast so what if you could do like press the temperature button and now that wheel is activated for the next couple that's what it should go upping down that's exactly what it should do it obviously still doesn't hit the seat thing i think the seat should just be but i i don't get why everyone just doesn't i like the seat just next to the side of the seat by your like oh yeah seat belt buckle it's just like well press it on or

like on the side of your door that's easy i think this is a tesla thing where oh they want all possible input in the car to be computer controlled if you want which means that there are literally no physical buttons in the car other than the windows, which you can still do with the computer, and the hazard button. Okay, hazard button should always be a button. Hazard button is a capacitive button, but it's a button.

Okay. Other than that, yeah, you know, typically you'd have like your HVAC controls, your media playback, all that other sort of stuff would be physical in the car. None of it in any tesla is physical it's always all been on the screen yeah so that's the advantage and the disadvantage at the same time i kind of miss or i shouldn't say i miss i don't have a tesla or a lot of these new evs are doing it but like i 100 agree that so many cars like completely overdid it with all the buttons especially when you look at some of

these like crazy high class like super luxury ones where there's like 50 buttons in the center dash and everything like the center console yeah yeah um but then going the complete opposite and having almost no buttons i don't know if i would like that very much i feel like there are a couple things i would i think i'll always like a dial for um volume no not even for volume with uh my wheel volume is where i do everything oh true um like on my steering wheel um i think climate control dial is always something i'll enjoy a physical heated seat is something i'll always enjoy is it you still have physical locks and everything correct uh like locking the doors no it's on the touch screen really yeah okay yeah wow i've been in them plenty i just like i guess when you're not the one doing the physical things over and over again and like all these things

behind the touch screen seem like a lot like way too many things behind the screen yeah and to be fair i think they've done a pretty good job of anticipating when certain things will be pressed and surfacing them as buttons. So your muscle memory can still be one press. So for example, if I bring the car to a stop and put my foot on the brake, there is no park gear selector,

but the park button appears in the same exact corner every time. So I just put my foot on the brake, I come to zero and I just hit that button. It just appears there because that's where it's supposed to be. A lot of stuff like that. So like opening and closing the doors, when I pull up and like park the car, then all the lock controls slide out. So I can always lock and unlock from there. Otherwise I just get out. So a lot of the stuff

that you anticipate, you start to learn that as muscle memory the same way every time and you get used to the way the car works. But then when you step back and think about it you're like yeah that is kind of weird that like i shift into drive by sliding a touch screen that's kind of unusual yeah to get used to that for sure um if you had to like i do think so when it was funny because when i first saw this come out i saw someone like quinn mentioned that he really did enjoy the design of the new ui but now now like once people are driving it a little longer and seeing all that, if there was like a middle ground here

or like the updated version of, what was it, version, is it version 10? That was the older one, version 11 is the newer one. So if there was a either upgraded version 10, what would you like to make that cleaner? Or how would you make the version 11 the same cleanness, but more functional? I really just think they should allow a little bit more control from the wheel.

So actually in the last Model S, there was a menu button on the steering wheel. And that let you actually surprisingly easily go in and change a lot of different things on the wheel. So I'd hit the menu button and then it would go, oh, what would you like to control with the wheel? And I could go fan speed, volume, you know, whatever temperature. And then I could select it with the wheel and then roll the wheel to adjust it. Yeah. So if I wanted to adjust fan speed, for example, I would hit menu. I'd scroll to fan speed and then I'd scroll the wheel to change fan speed. So instead of fidgeting over here on the screen, I'm sort of still looking at the road, but I can do stuff on the steering wheel and feel like I'm still in complete control and i think that's the way they should have kept it the current wheel doesn't have

a menu button it just has wheels that go up and down and left and right and then blinkers and and steering wheel wiper and horn and stuff like that so i just would like that menu button back and just let me be able to do more on the steering one and now when you say all those things show up is that on the directly in front of you, the screen in front of you? So like if that were a model three, would that just come up maybe in like the top left hand corner of the. Yeah, yeah, I think so.

Yeah, I think that'd be easy. I, I love steering wheel, steering wheel controls. I, yeah, mine has way too many of them. I don't use half of them. So I do think a dial or two that you can then based on what you're pressing on the touchscreen be able to then control with a dial because almost everything we're doing is up down there's not a lot of like need to go all over the place so that would be awesome i think tesla i think this new model of refresh model s is the first and only car i've ever driven that has not

enough steering wheel controls i think every other car i've ever driven that has not enough steering wheel controls. I think every other car I've ever driven has either just the right amount or too many. They always put a ton of buttons on the wheel, around the wheel, in the middle of the wheel that'll never use all this stuff. And I think this is the first car, even after Raven Model S had a nice steering wheel that I really got used to with the menu button, this one, just not enough control. what about this ditch the yoke blinker buttons add back the stock give you your menu button back yeah please yeah yeah absolutely so um you can hire no you can't hire me i like this job better tesla but you know there you go free i think this all comes down to elon's infamous all input is error philosophy, which is that eventually he,

he doesn't want you to even have to press the buttons. You'll get in the car and it'll go, Oh, he's cold. And it'll just turn it up. It'll just know every single one of those decisions. Theoretically, he believes it should be able to make it for you.

It will measure the temperature of your butt and know when it needs to be warmed up without you knowing. And I'll tell you what, if that were to actually work well in a dream world, I'd be very happy. But tech's not that good yet. So we're just sort of living through the beta phase of the car not quite knowing exactly what you want

and getting it wrong often. Yeah, that's a good point. But I always want my butt warmer going at like 150 degrees. So it's like scalding. So I don't know if they'll ever pre-program that in. It'll learn you. All right right let's take a quick break we'll come back and we'll talk about some of our awards and predictions since it's the beginning of the year tis the season to treat your family to the great taste of Popeyes. The Festive Family Box is here to make your holidays brighter with all your Popeyes favorites.

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the year you think you have a pretty good idea of what's going to happen what you're looking forward to some of it might go that way some of it might go a totally different way we actually made a bunch of smartphone awards predictions at the beginning of 2021 yeah so now we can compare how it actually went with how we thought it would go. Yeah. So I listened to that episode this morning. It's fantastic. After knowing the year that prevailed after it. We'll put the episode number in the show notes. Yeah, for sure.

Relive it. And I'm sure Adam might throw a couple like clip-its from that. But yeah, I have the list in front of us of what we picked. And then we can compare it to what actually got picked. Let's see what we were feeling back then. Okay. So we'll just start

from the top, I guess. So this was for, this was one year ago. We were predicting what happens, smartphones, which was the video we released last month.

Best big phone. So this right off the bat is kind of funny to me. Marques guessed the ROG Phone 4, which really confused me and then i realized doesn't exist they skipped the four yeah and went to the five yeah um and i picked the razor 3 which was a pretty bold prediction yeah i'm obviously wrong on that one

okay um that one is not crazy i mean the rog phone is typically just full of features it did win runner-up actually yeah it was in the best big phone so i think that was just us going samsung really mucked up the s20 ultra they're probably not gonna be that amazing yeah that it was one thing i noticed when we i was listening to it is we kept talking about like phones getting way better and we never talked about how bad the s20 was yeah and never like so forgettable because it was a year before we recorded that. Yeah, pretty much. And we just didn't talk about the S21 Ultra for, spoiler alert, any of these.

Yep. Which means we were very wrong, if you're aware of the smartphone awards this year. All right, let's go to best small phone. We called it small phone. I think we changed it to compact this year. Compact phone of the year. Yeah. You said iPhone mini. I did. Winner. I predicted

it would be the iPhone mini. You predicted it would be the Z Flip. Yeah. That was runner up though. That was runner up and they were very close and I think that's about as close as we probably could have possibly gotten for that. Yeah that's probably the easiest one to guess though because there are not a lot of small phones. Yeah. Shout out the the little zen phone for pulling yeah i really really

dug that phone this year zen phone 8 right yep um best camera we both picked iphone we were both right on that one that's probably the most stable predictable like if we're predicting next year like if i were to guess right now what do you think is going to win best camera i would just start with iphone and then think hmm do I think anyone's going to beat them this year? So I think that's the safe, safe pick. It's the super safe pick. Best odds for sure.

Best budget phone. So you kind of made up a phone. You just said the S21 was going to have a cheaper phone released in the lineup. Or no, no, you said actually said released later in the year so i'm assuming you kind of meant like an fe version probably a fan edition i was hoping for which didn't actually come out during that calendar year sadly and just came out now and isn't that great yeah so um i guess the pixel 5a both wrong on that pixel 5a did turn out to be a really good budget phone yes but the pixel 5 was the winner for best value

sorry pixel 6 was best value well yeah i guess the category changed a little bit so yeah you probably weren't thinking of that i still think you know a lot of a lot of people did mention pixel 5a getting consideration for the value award anyway so there was always a lot of competition as far as like odds makers that's probably the one where you have the most fun betting on dark horses yeah but yeah that's solid in our defense we also weren't expecting pixel 6 to come out at 699 and be like 590 590 yeah still always surprised by how good of a price that is good yeah none of us expected that um let's see best battery so you picked a safe pick and a dark horse pick. You said ROG phone for best battery, your safe pick and the OnePlus 9 for your dark horse pick.

Oh, wow. I think you're pretty wrong on the OnePlus 9 one. ROG probably was a runner up, if I remember correctly. iPhone 1. iPhone 13 Pro Max won best battery and the 5,000 milliamp hour fast-charging ROG Phone 5 was a very close runner-up. Yeah, I guessed Mi 11.

I don't even know why I really guessed that. You predicted Mi 11? I mean, they do have huge specs. I mean, they're high-end ultra version of the Mi 11, maybe. And they're just big phones also, so it's usually big phone, big battery. This is my favorite of your guesses. Oh, my God.

And I have a little fun fact fact or a little tidbit here. Best design, you picked the Duo 2. I predicted that the Surface Duo 2 would win best design. Yes. It was a pretty solid reasoning though. It was like you liked the design of the Duo 1 and you knew exactly what had to change for it or we thought we knew exactly what had to change for it. Or we thought we knew exactly what had to change for it

because it did all those changes and still was very bad. So I guessed the, where are we? Oh, I thought there was going to be a smaller Note 21 with flagship specs. So remember how the Note 20, they had the Ultra and the regular one, but the regular one got hit with all the specs. I thought they were going to make that size,

and I was very wrong on that. That would have been neat. We never actually got a Note during 2021. That would have probably been a very good contender for overall design. Surface Duo 2, I'm glad I had that optimism back then.

I was looking forward to it for pretty much the entire year until it came out. So that's a bummer. It did not win Best Design. It did not. Before I voted for the Note 21, I almost guessed LG Wing 2. So I would have been very wrong with you in that one as well. Possibly more wrong

with you in that one. With a company that doesn't exist anymore. Exactly. It literally completely went away. Most Improved, you had a OnePlus 9T. Through listening to this, we kind of willed the OnePlus T into existence and it didn't work at all. I said Z Flip, which I'm pretty proud of that one because it did not win, but it certainly was super improved. It got all of the things that we talked about last year. Yeah. That was mentioned in the video. yes that's a good prediction way to land that one i'm pretty pumped with that one here's what's also funny is for biggest bust you also guessed duo

two which you nail on the head on that one despite also thinking it was going to win the best design so yeah not a lot of faith i guess um i picked a one plus nine t as bust yeah the one plus nine was like sort of underwhelming and middling during the year and then we never got a one plus nine t so you could probably like shift your money onto the one plus nine if you're like considering your bet but it didn't also win so i guess yeah it still wasn't quite there um probably because the one plus nine just, it was fine. It wasn't anything great. I don't see why they would make a 9T, I guess, unless it was better.

MVP, you picked a Pixel 6 and you called it the flagship. So I think I would call that the Pixel 6 Pro. 6 Pro, yeah, yeah. I'd probably say the Pixel 6 is closer to winning MVP. It was. We know the S21 Ultra did win. Yep. And I guessed a OnePlus 9T Pro. So I was very, very off there. closer to winning mvp we know the s21 ultra did win yep um and i guess the oneplus 9t pro so i was

very very off there we we had oneplus on the mind oneplus did not win any awards in the actual show the pixel 6 did win second runner-up for mvp behind the iphone and the s21 ultra uh yeah this shows like basically in january of 2021 what we're thinking about what just happened in the last year of phones what we were hoping for uh it's kind of funny that i put surface duo 2 for best design and bust of the year yeah which is kind of interesting thinking because if you just want to boil the surface duo 2 down to just the hardware design it's pretty good like it's it's a nice hinge it's very it's very uh square they shrunk the bezels they made the hinge so you could see a little bit from the outside i didn't like the camera bump i think they should have went with the um that like indented of the opposite side

so it can still fold flat because that was like the coolest part about the duo um but it still was like too wide it still had big bezels despite being smaller yeah um so yeah it just wasn't quite there i think it was a good pick for design it could have been updated but the fact that i also picked it to be the bust shows i didn't have much faith in the software experience so it did sort of i did sort of draw the line and it like hardware versus software early which is interesting. You also said, so I posed the question for design award. If the iPhone 13 had no notch and 120 Hertz,

would it win? You said. Here's the thing though. iPhone probably won't have a port. And can I give a phone without a port a design award? You really think that's going to be this year? I do. I really do.

Yeah. Yeah. This is a, you really think that's going to be this year i do i really do yeah yeah this is uh you really were on the this is one of those things that we think apple was considering for the iphone 13 line and then thought no it's not time yet and it still could happen in the next one two three years we don't know but apple looking at how magsafe ecosystem is evolving looking at how the whole wireless stuff that they've been building around the iPhone has gotten to sort of pair with it really well. And we all know that they're considering getting rid of the port at some point.

Yeah. Thought it would happen last year and it didn't. Not quite. I'm happy. Do you think it'll happen 2022? I'm actually not sure anymore. Okay. I am, I wouldn't bet on it.

I think like iPhone 15 might be a more reliable bet for getting rid of the port. I don't think they're anywhere closer now than they were before. Yeah, I don't think it happens this year either. And then the cream of the crop of being wrong here, I specifically said that when we were talking about, I think we were talking about OnePlus possibly winning MVP. And I said, it has to be an incredible phone

to come out in the first half of the year and win MVP. And obviously that was as wrong as you can be since the S21 destroyed the entire smartphone awards and came out end of January. I mean, you're right that the 888 Plus came out and that it was technically one generation behind, but it didn't matter. Yeah.

Like that phone came out in January, as you said, and held its own the entire year. Yeah. We got, we super sleeper picked the S21 Ultra or just the S21 line in general because the S20 Ultra was so forgettable. Yeah. Do we want to make a bunch of predictions now for next year? I think so. Let's go a little quicker than last year.

Okay. Because I listened to like an hour of us. Sure. Let's crank these out. Okay. year. I listened to like an hour of us. Sure, let's crank these out. Best big phone, what do you think? I'm going to go... It's hard to go fast though. I'm going to go S22 Ultra or Note

or whatever the big one is. Based on the leaks, I already hate the design of it. I like the Note pick. I'm just going to... gonna say asus six or rog six okay i think the cameras have gotten so much better i think next year it's just gonna be even better all right best small or compact phone oh okay i think there's gonna be a mini next year i don't think there's gonna be a mini so this is where i'm gonna go z flip i think z flip i think there's gonna to be a mini so this is where I'm going to go Z Flip I think Z Flip I think there's going to be a new Z Flip and it's going to be

even better and it's going to be easily the smallest phone to qualify yeah we can probably just skip camera because I think we're both

best camera I'm going to go iPhone just to be safe yeah I'm pretty confident in that I hope I'm wrong honestly I hope I'm wrong I hope I get surprised

I would love for Pixel to take the reign again I hope I get surprised yeah best budget or best value award this is the hardest for sure this is tough now okay the floodgates have opened for any phone of any price let's let me go uh zen phone i like that choice a lot i'm gonna go zen phone nine yep

you're going with me on that i'm gonna stick i'm gonna go with you on that one yeah i like that okay best battery best battery. Best battery, I'm going to go... Yeah, let's go. I'm going to go iPhone 14 Pro Max again, and I think that's probably going to roughly match 13 Pro Max. Do you want the Legion Duo 2? It's going to have three charging cables. That's my guess.

Yeah, it is about battery experience. Battery experience have three charging cables that's my guess yeah it is about it is about battery experience battery experience three four charging cables just skip double it it's funny because that was like it charged faster but that's not a better experience having to carry two cables design okay so here's also another thing last year you mentioned the design we were talking about foldables and how this year might have to have a foldable category, which I don't think we needed to. But towards the end of the year, start of this year, we've seen probably four or five new companies

coming out with foldables. So I do think 2022 might be the year where a folding category might be worth it. And so we just have a best foldable category, essentially? Something like that? Kind of. It'll be weird if the best design is also a foldable right but i think there's credit where credits do their best folder maybe it's a maybe it's an honorable mention in the design

category yeah but if we're gonna have five or six folding phones i feel like we need to write them against each other well in the meantime i guess for design, I'll go a little safer. I don't think Samsung's gonna win with that design. I don't think OnePlus is gonna win with that design. I don't think Surface is gonna win with that design. I don't think the Flip is gonna win with the design. I don't think I can give it to a phone with a notch. So the iPhone with the hole punch, hmm, I don't know.

I have, I'm either going to go Pixel 7 because I think Google's going something a little different this year. And while I didn't love it, it feels like they're thinking outside the box or it's going to be like the Find X4 or the like Reno something. Oppo's just been killing it with hardware

and I love their hardware so much. That's a really good pick. So Find X4 might be my, my choice for design. Then I'll go pixel seven. Okay, cool. Yeah.

So most improved, most improved. Now let's think, cause we really screwed this one up last year. What was not great this year? I think we think as a chance. Okay. I'm going to go with one plus.

Hmm. I don't know. See, the thing about OnePlus 9 Pro is like it was like a, it was a solid phone, solid specs. You used it for a really long time. Used it for a while, decent enough camera, like really fast charging. Their software experience,

like with this whole Oppo merger thing they're doing, I don't really have the utmost faith in that. And that was actually a big part of why OnePlus phones were so good. And they're like losing that now, which is weird. So I'm going to take that back. I was, I saw the spec sheet for the OnePlus 10 Pro and I really like it. And 80 watt charging seems great.

But then the software, I don't know. Most improved. Didn't the spec sheet say Oxygen OS 12, even though they said they're moving to Color OS? I don't remember. I don't think I saw. I think I saw a tweet about that. I think it just said the Android version. Okay. Who's going to improve the most?

I have my guess. Pixel 7. Pro. Pixel 7 Pro. Pixel 7 Pro is my guess. Yeah. Because I think there's almost no reason to get the Pro over the regular right now. And I think next year they're going to realize that and actually make a big jump between them.

Which will be awesome because then you'll have the cheaper version and the like pro pro flagship. Yeah. If it goes up in price, they'll kind of. I think if they if they keep the same price, but really improve like all the things that were kind of weak about the Pixel six pro, I could win. I think that could win for sure. Bust of the year predictions this early. It's just a shot in the dark. And let's say don't pick 203.

Okay. Okay. What's going to win? Something you have to look at. Okay. What's the, what are the gaming phones going to do? Or like what did really well this year that you think is not going to follow

up on the hype. Can I just... I feel like Poco in general has just... I don't know if that's... Let me just go super pessimistic super early. S21 FE. Bust of the year. Oh, that's a great guess because we know it.

It's the only thing that I've seen come out this year and it's sort of just going to be forgotten in a month. So that's the best I got right now, I think. That's a good one. I don't want to agree with you. I agree with you, but I want to pick something different. I will go, oh, man. OnePlus? I don't know.

That seems crazy. What is it? I almost wanted to say Poco as a whole almost should have just kind of won bust of last year because I really think they've just lost their core audience. There's 70 of them now. I miss, I looked through our phone drawer and there were seven Poco phones in there from this year. I think at least, I mean, maybe one or two were from last year, but it's just like, man, what happened to just super hype singular phone into just like five or seven phones that I feel like not a lot of people really ask about anymore.

What's the Bo Burnham line? We'll stop beating this dead horse when it stops spitting out money. Yeah, yeah. I think that's probably what's happening. Well, they started beating it. They killed it and beat it really fast. I don't know. Biggest bust.

Three. Is there going to be a Razer Phone 3? No, no, no, no. But no, Motorola Razer 3. Oh. Yeah, you could go with that. You could go with that. Okay.

All right, MVP. MVP pick for 2021 in January. Just looking at my crystal ball right now. We see what Samsung's doing. The design, not so popular but still gonna have a lot of really don't like that by the way yeah what the the leak of like each individual individual camera how do you go from so beautiful to that the regular s21 or s22 is gonna have a more traditional like cut out oh yeah okay so that's solid i could win uh that's a good point people

were making the argument for the regular s21s to win design or or even just phone of the year i like that they always get kind of lost i'm gonna stick with my optimism and go pixel 7 pro i almost want to hope a note comes back and does really really well but i really think it's the end of the note and i'll say i think the note's gone i think the s pen in the s20s and the s versions are just going to be what happens and we're still considering do you consider the note gone if they call it the s22 note it comes with the stylus inside? I don't even want to think about that. The Note Edition. Yeah. I don't love that.

Note is in the name. What is the Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra Note Edition? It's just got the stylus built in. Remove 100 million powers of your battery. Boom, S Pen right there. That's it. That's the only change. It would honestly honestly be a good phone i just would hate the name so much um i'm just gonna go s 22 plus or whatever i like that yeah yeah okay all right wasn't that much shorter but there we have it yeah that's uh that's your predictions it's been a long episode but listen

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