Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Gadgets We're Loving Right Now!

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

While Marques is away representing Team USA in China, Andrew and David hold down the fort and discuss all the tech news of the week! Topics range from a Microsoft x Croc collab to new Instagram rules around who is allowed to go live on. They close it out with show-and-tell, discussing new gadgets that they've really been enjoying lately. It's a fun one! Links: Verge - Microsoft XP x Crocs OpenAI - GPT-OSS Google - Pixel 10 AI Ad TechCrunch - Instagram requires 1000 followers to go live A New Social Gadgets we're loving: ⁠Peak Design Pro Tripod (Kickstarter)⁠ ⁠seenda Mouse⁠ MOVAS Tripod Stand (Not Boring) Camera app Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

All of the ads for the iPhone 16 were built for Apple intelligence. And then the only Apple intelligence features they released for like Gen Moji and visual intelligence. And yeah, not the best use. Everyone's taking their shot at Apple. Yeah. Right now. And the pixel comes out in exactly 14 days is the announcement. Well, it's announced.

Two weeks. Yeah, announcements. It's already out technically. Yeah, that's true. I mean, Google themselves is showing it. What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We're your host, and I'm David.

And I'm injured. Sorry, I couldn't not. It just caught me off. In today's episode, Marquez is gone. We warned you before. We did warn you last week. He's going to be gone for two weeks. Please don't leave.

We still, you know. Press the subscribe button to bring him back. That's true. Yeah, if you press subscribe, he comes back. Today's episode, we got a lot of different stuff for you. We've gotten a new open-weight model. from Open AI. What a concept. Some exciting Fediverse news, which you know I'm excited about.

Is that an oxymoron? What, exciting Fediverse news? Yeah. Because it's already exciting. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, some Fediverse news. Some Nintendo Switch but not Nintendo Switch 2 updates. Sad, sad face. And we're also going to be ending it with showing off some cool little gadgets that we've gotten our hands on recently.

They do. That's quite fun. But first. But first. Andrew's mega awesome best news of the week ever possible possibly the year gadget of the year some may say Windows or Microsoft is releasing Windows XP Crocs you could have stopped their windows why that's how awesome it is that's how awesome okay well XP specifically yeah this is XP baby this is the good good the nostalgia but so to celebrate Microsoft's 50th anniversary they're

about to release Windows XP Crocs the reason we know they're about to release it is apparently they've already opened up pre-sale for Microsoft employees. They will cost 80 bucks, but come with a pack of six gibbets. Do you want to know what the gibbets are? Can you explain this to people that don't know what crocs are? And gibbets. Listen.

How much are crocs normally? Let's start there. 50? Are they really that much? Yeah. 50 for like a plain shoes to make. I think I'm about right there. And how much is a gibbet?

That I don't know. I only have one jibbitt. I remember when this used to be a good country and we used to like meme on people that wore crocs and we would laugh at people and be like, wow, those are so ugly. Oh, wait. Yeah, 30 to 50 bucks. Okay. For plain colors, then they can get a little more expensive, like 60 bucks for some like patterns

and stuff. So this is like a special collaboration. This is a special edition kind of one. And what are jibbids? Jibbits are like the little charms that you put in the holes of the crocs. Okay. I only have like a disc golf one right now. Hold on.

Keep laughing. Wait until you hear the Microsoft Jibbitts. Or should I explain the shoe pattern first? Well, you know the shoe pattern, right? Oh, there's a pattern on the shoe? Yeah, the pattern for the shoe is the bottom sole is green and the top of the shoe is a light blue with cloud. So it represents the green hill with the cloudy sky from the Windows XP wallpaper. I know.

It's so good. You're kind of changing them here. It's so sick. And the jibbits are a recycling bin, a mouse cursor, clipy. Oh, I knew it. The old Internet Explorer icon, a folder icon, and the MSN butterfly logo. Oh, my God. It's really cool.

What if I just want the gibbets? Then you're going to have to pay 80 bucks and sell someone a pair of crox. I don't love using the Gen Z logo, but I think they cooked with this one. They cooked. It also kind of looks like it comes with a drawstriks. bag, that is also the wallpaper, the, like, Hill wallpaper? I mean, if it comes with a bag, it's not a horrible

deal, although that bag costs five cents to make it. It's maybe less. Wait, so, are these exclusively going to be for Microsoft employees, or will they eventually open up for the public? The Verge article I read it off of seems like it is going to be available worldwide, just Microsoft employees get first dips

at it. So, if you're a Microsoft employee who doesn't want these and wants to... Yeah, please buy them for us. I would give you the money. I'm spending $80 on these, if given the chance. I can 100%. If we took a team photo in this, it would be pretty cool.

It would be pretty awesome. I think we can all agree with the ugly sweaters. Microsoft is a better merch company than pretty much anything else. Yeah. Their merch is sick. Their ugly sweaters in particular are always fire. We always talk about Apple Store, like, exclusive shirts and merch and stuff, but I think Microsoft's got them.

For a $4 trillion megacorp, they're really, you know, Who most game is online. Who mostly does B-to-B sales. I got to say. They got a couple of fire shirts out there. Their merch designers are cooking. They are. All right.

Well, hopefully we get our hands on these soon. We can move on to the next story. There is a new YouTube feature that is not yet launched, but we have seen some examples of it. And that is YouTube collabs. So you might know that on Instagram or TikTok, when you make a post, you can effectively make the post with a number.

other person. It's like a collab post. So it will show up on both people's pages and it will show both people's little icons right next to each other. So this is a post by this person and this person. YouTube is now apparently experimenting with bringing this feature to YouTube, which makes a lot of sense because there's a lot of history in YouTube of people doing collabs. But it's very much like, oh, we're putting on my channel and then maybe there's a different type of video that's on your channel where we collab. Yeah. And they also tried to do it a little bit with like tagging. tagging in the title, which I don't think worked very well.

It just made titles look really weird because you had to put the at sign in it and that always looked terrible. But I think this is a better because it lives on both channels and is the easy connection between them when you see it without messing up the title. Right. Yeah, I think this makes a lot of sense.

It'll just show up on both channels. I don't yet know how the monetization structure is going to work for something like this. I did reach out to Renee Ritchie, who is the YouTube liaison. He says they are not officially announced anything about the feature until the fall. Okay.

So it's possible that they're just beta testing it. The only people that have access to it are like very, very big YouTubers. Yeah. Mr. Beast has done like two of them? Has he done two? I believe so. I think you're right because the one I'm looking at right now says Mr. Beast and three more. And then you click it and you see Mark Robber, Stokes, Twins, Ben, as all are.

The first one we saw, it said like the channel or when you click the video, the channel just looked like it said, Mr. Beast and Mark Robber. which then just to me felt like Harper said this also I take a glance at that I'm like is this a scam channel that's like trying to trick you into being Mr. Bees and Mark Robert that looked a little weird but I think people get used to it

and as long as they provide verification check marks in it they also have instead of just the image of your channel being in the corner it's the two images so I mean you could make like a fake version of that but YouTube theoretically has you know if it's from a

And then if it's from a big creator, they have the verification badges, obviously. Yeah, I think this makes a ton of sense, though. I think that people are going to want to see this content regardless of what channel it's on. And it also makes it easier to, you know, if there's a very large creator that's collabing with a smaller creator, now it's less. Like a lot of the times people used to do that because they would try to grow with that. They would be like, oh, if I can get Marquez on my channel and do a collab with him, then maybe I can kind of ride his. Maybe this podcast will pop off. Yeah.

If anyone, hey, Joe Rogan, just kidding. If anyone massive wants to collab with At Waveform Podcasts, I think that could be pretty cool. Interesting looking at it right now. On Mr. Beast's channel, it says Mr. Beast and three more, that includes four total people. Mark Roberer's channel just says Mark Roberer and Mr. Beast. It's also a different title and thumbnail.

And those are not different videos? And they're, I believe they're the same video. It's very hard to tell because are they both 10 minutes and 53 seconds? Well, I wonder if they're different videos. I think it might be different videos. I think they're different videos. Oh, so it's not like, then I'm wrong before I said, lived on both channels. This is not like Instagram where on Instagram when you collab with someone, the same post is on both people's feeds.

Well, it might be if those are different videos. I mean, if you go to Mark, it would be the same video. So, like, on Instagram, if I make a post that's like a picture of us in waveform and I collaborate with you. Right. That same exact picture is just on both of our feeds now with both of us linked. This is there collaborating, but the videos are completely different. Where, like, if it was the Instagram way, the Mr. Beast video would be on Mark Robber's page, is what I'm saying. I see.

Yeah, I'm not seeing the Mr. Bees video on Mark Roberver's page. Oh, so that, I guess, explains how the analytics will work then. Yeah, that explains that part then. You're not doing the same video, so you don't have to worry about different monetization. It's just, this feels like the new way of tagging someone in a title to make it more first party. Got it. Can I complain about something else that should be more first party from YouTube? Yes, but let me finish this real quick.

Okay, so if you go to like the Mark Rober video that he made called Can You Safely Drink Your Own P? Okay. It says Mark Rover and Mr. Beast, but then there's a huge section right. above it that shows Mark Rober and describes what he's doing and then shows Mr. Beast as an organizer. Which would make sense why Mr. Beasts is collabed with more people

and I'm assuming this is going to grow. Yeah. But Mark Rober's only collabed with Mr. Beast because it's this pyramid scheming of YouTube videos. I think this is overall I think this is a very smart move by YouTube. They've added a lot of features that have been popular on other

platforms. We won't talk about stories. But Yeah, what were you going to say that you think that they should add? This is something that Adam and I have wanted to complain about for a long time. But why is still the best way on YouTube of putting chapters in content by just putting a part in the description where you write the word chapter and then write the timestamps out? Yes. In the description. Yes.

First of all, it breaks for us literally every week. Every week. We hear you. We hear you. We hear it. We do it. I swear, it's, at time of published, the chapters work. And I've taken to screenshoting it and posting it in Slack.

Like, as of 1058, chapters are working. And then they break. And then at like, 2 o'clock, I'll walk over to Adam and be like, I just saw five comments and said, there's no chapters. And I'm like, what the hell? We do it. So, yeah, please, YouTube, fix this. I keep a, like, commenting if they're broken because we are on it and trying to fix

it. It's very annoying. It usually just winds up, Adam deletes the colon after chapters and then puts it back in and saves it and it works again, but, like, how is there not a first-party system of entering in chapters? There's first-party systems for entering all the mid-rolls at a literal exact time slots. Yeah. 50,000 times in a video if you want to. Because what makes them money, Andrew. Yeah, but why can't I just do? Then descriptions are way cleaner, like, when I want to actually add. They kind of hide descriptions more than they used to, too. Yeah. Yeah, they do.

It's harder. And it's, yeah, I don't care about it. It's so frustrating. Thank you for reminding me about that because I said last week I wanted to rant about it and completely forgot that's so annoying to all y'all that think we don't know what we're doing we don't have to we don't know what we're we don't but we do do that right I will say I will say yeah so I don't know we'll see in the fall I guess when that officially rolls out I think it's pretty smart for them to test it with like a bunch of big YouTubers because it kind of is doing a stress test on the system it's pulling in like a ton of views from a ton of different areas and yeah seeing how people react in terms of analytics I would like to see if it now source gets that's a collaboration is added as a source of

traffic yeah so like when you come into a video do what did mark rober get those views from clicking on mark rober's link right in the mr beast video it also kind of sucks for everyone clubbing assuming that it's going to be a 50 page long thing of like this is mr beast's whole team water one of his big charity things where he's going to obviously invite a ton of people so if that 30, like number 49 is getting no extra views off of that collaboration. Or like one of his like 100 YouTubers compete for this kind of thing and then he collects every single one of them. Well, is that a collab at that point? Yeah, I guess you get to decide whether or not I'm going to make it a clab. It would be crazy if there was like a hundred people though. And they might have a max too. Mr. Beast is going to

launch this and then figure out it hurts his analytics and never use it again and be the only person with the ability to do it on YouTube. And then YouTube will eventually make it not hurt your analytics. Just like they did with shorts. Yeah. It is a fickle, it's a fickle beast. Okay. I'm really interested to see where this goes.

Yeah. We got one more story before we're going to take our first break. Open AI has released their first open weight models since GPT2. Before you go on. Yes. Do a lot of explaining in here. For the people out there who don't understand what this means. All right.

So a model. Like a large language model is a lot of data that has been trained to create effectively like a neural network. So when you give it an input, it gives you an output. And that output is generated by a bunch of different neurons, neurons, quote unquote, kind of like firing at each other and deciding what the most probable output is going to be. It is probabilistic. It changes every time.

It's kind of like they're trying to make a brain, obviously. now usually when you use a model from if you use chat gbt or you use gemini these are all closed models and that means that it's effectively a black box you you number one don't know what data it was trained on to make that model and number two you can't see the model weights a model weight is effectively uh the people that are building the model can put more influence into certain aspects of the model to try to like guide it towards certain behavior And kind of a lot of the race in AI is to, like, perfect these model weights to get better outcomes. And so the reason that a lot of these models have become more closed is because these companies don't want to disclose to each other what they're, like, how they're changing their model weights. So OpenAI has released a new open weight model. It's not the same as open source, because if it was open source, you could see the training data and OpenAI would be sued 100 million times. That's definitely the reason that they're not making an open source. source right because they're already being sued by everybody and now they would just give up all their proof

readily available on the internet but david i can just watch youtube for free i can't chat i'm training my brain right now uh anyway it is it is a pretty big deal because now you can run these models locally uh which is pretty crazy if you remember correctly we did a deep seek episode and deep seek is this chinese open so i think it's i think it is open sourced uh open sourced model that you can run locally on your computer and it was very competitive with the top models at the time and it was free to download and how all these things and it freaked everybody out and a lot of people in the AI community decided we probably actually need to release open models because if we don't everyone's just going to be using these free models from like different vendors like Chinese vendors right to them it is

better to get people to like the entire reason that meta has llama which is their their model and that is like that is an open model. The entire reason that Mark Zuckerberg is like open source open models is the way forward and we want to give to the community is not because he wants to give away things for free. It's because he wants to be the foundation that everyone do like uses to do things on top of and then they can figure out how to monetize that later. And they're literally the least trustworthy company on the planet pretty much. Right. Exactly. So now it seems that open AI sort of wants to get in that game. There's also been a lot of discussion of like well if the US in general, those, the companies in the U.S. don't start releasing open models. Everyone's going to start using

like Chinese like open models instead. Open weight, not open source. Open weight. Yeah, open weight models instead. But these models are available to use via the Apache 2.0 license, which means they can be modified pretty significantly for commercial purposes. Okay. Which is cool because it means that people can start making products that run locally on these local models and sell them and change the weight. right so it's kind of like a foundation that you can then work from and like build your own products from so if I wanted to make like a new browser and alpha and charge $20 a month I could do it with that you could do it they're still a little bit heavy right so like they release two new models one of them is a 20 billion parameter model that is similar to the

open AI oh three mini model and you can actually run that on 16 gigabytes of Vram which most people well, many people have on their computers, which it can run on a laptop effectively. And then there's a much bigger 120 billion parameter model that is closer to 04 Mini. That needs a dedicated separate Nvidia GPU. Yeah, that one you cannot run

on a laptop. Correct. But even so, just owning like a 4080 or something and being able to run 04 Mini, which is like a very substantial model locally on your computer, is pretty cool. Yeah. Right? Um, so yeah, it's a big deal.

I'm wondering what we're going to see happen from this. I think Google is probably going to have to get pressured into creating their own model. Microsoft is now hosting these models, too, on a bunch of their Azure servers and stuff like that. So, yeah, it's a big deal, especially because, you know, it's open AI and their whole thing from the beginning was that all of this is going to be out in the open. And then they realized they could make money out of it. Yeah. Yeah, which is why Sam Altman was trying to make them. not like not a open foundation anymore or whatever they were they're trying to monetize it more

than they are they backtracked on that they they had to effectively they're a company that can only make a certain amount of money and then they have to not because they're not nonprofit is yeah they're a they were originally founded as a nonprofit organization oh yeah 2015 yeah 10 years later 10 years later yeah who knows what they are yeah it's a pretty big deal I think we're going to start to see a lot of different applications that can run different things locally. You know, there's all of these companies that are relying on OpenAI making API calls to OpenAI spending a lot of money to do so. Right now, they're burning through a lot of venture capital. But imagine you could package something and release it as an APK or, you know,

on a phone or as a program on your computer and you could just run it locally on your computer. Obviously, these are still very heavy. You know, they're still. But, they're realizing right now that scaling laws maybe aren't the answer necessarily, where scaling laws are where you add more data and the model gets better. They're realizing that there are definitely ways to make models more efficient without scaling them up higher, which is what Deepseek did when that happens. So eventually, I think that we are going to get to, we are going to get models that are small enough that they can run on your computer.

You don't have to download like a giant program and it's not going to take up all of your RAM. It's what all tech forever has always been, right? Here's a really, really cool thing that takes so much power. How do we simultaneously make that better and continue to take that much power, but also make versions that are smaller and more accessible? Yeah. So it's an interesting space for Open AI to be in because they still want people to pay them

for the API calls, obviously. But if everyone starts using the free version of something, nobody's going to pay them anyway, so they have to get in the game in some way. But yeah, it would be cool if things could run locally on your device and not burn all the water on the planet. I mean, it's still screwing some stuff. Yeah, it's still using power, but at least it's using it locally on your device instead of in a data. It is cool that just there's now like multiple options. Like if you want, you could do the API call to open AI and build whatever you're going to build.

But now if you need something a little more robust, you just get one of these things. Yeah, and this new model can do reasoning, write code, and operate agents using the company's API so people also have been speculating like Apple's probably looking at this and going like we can finally do something because it's commercially available yeah it still again uses a ton of ram so maybe not yet but maybe in a year or two when these models are much smaller they could just use that for Apple intelligence yeah Apple intelligence we have to just like really briefly mention the really funny pixels sure yeah like this is too good of a spot to like totally but like Google released this ad that was basically just like

it's like what Marquez has always said don't buy a product based on future promises and then they take a shot it's like well the phone you've been looking at's future promises over a year old at this point maybe just buy the phone that doesn't do that. All of the ads for the iPhone 16 were

built for Apple Intelligence and then the only Apple Intelligence features they released for like Gen Moji and visual intelligence and yeah not not the best use everyone's taking their shot at Apple yeah right now and yeah and the pixel comes out in exactly 14 days is the announcement well it's announced two weeks yeah announcements it's already out technically yeah that's true i mean google themselves

is showing it constantly they show it in this advertisement so yeah very funny anyway with that i think we're going to hit it to trivia real quickly and then we'll take a break so trivia uh marquez is out good as everyone knows alice is also out because he's sick i'm still in the lead oh yeah we didn't mention that Sorry, Alice. Feel better. Yeah, Ellis is sick home. But he had a good idea. In these next two weeks that Marquez is gone,

we are going to do a head-to-head trivia exhibition match. Just you, David, and you, Andrew, mono-imano, one-on-one. No, not necessarily. I don't think I've ever been winning going into a trivia extravaganza. I'm always winning. And then I always lose. All right, so here we go. Okay.

Oh. He made new music to head. This time I actually hear Ellis's. He still did it. Yeah. I can hear his voice of that. Amazing work from Ellis. Okay.

So this is going to be how well you guys know each other. Oh. That is the plot twist here. I don't like that. So in the screen time app on both of your phones. Oh boy. What is the most used? app on the other person's phone

by time. What is the top used app? Down 29% from last week. Oh, my God. Nice. Wow. So yeah. So figure that out. Okay. And then we'll be back after the break. I somehow knew this. Oh, that's day. Sorry. Oh, no. Oh, no. Okay.

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except this time it's not about the Nintendo Switch 2. It is not about the Nintendo Switch 2, though, which kind of makes it about the Nintendo Switch 2. I'm your host. Okay, so some news Nintendo has raised the prices on the original switch and the OLED switch and the switch light.

But not the switch too. But not the switch too. Okay, interesting. So, yeah, this is some interesting news. The OG switch now costs $340 up from $300. Yeah, it's kind of... That's like a pretty solid bump. This cost is like eight years old, by the way.

The switch light is now $230 up from $200. and the OLED is now $400 from $350. The $400 OLED to the Switch 2's $450 price tag does not make the Switch 2 look that expensive anymore, which is very interesting. Nintendo said that they did this because of market conditions, which means tariffs. It happened a single day after the Trump administration

announced a 20% tariff on Vietnam, which is where Nintendo does most of its manufacturing. So obviously there's a reason why they would have done this. Now, interestingly, the Switch 2 is also very largely manufactured in Vietnam. However, I think that Nintendo is trying to avoid getting people very angry about them rising the cost of Switch 2. Number two, it has already sold 6 million units. Switch 2 is a very, very, very quickly growing console. They are selling a lot of these things.

And I think that they are a little bit worried that if they jack up the price now, especially because it's on a percentage basis, they're going to lose a lot of potential customers. So I'm interested. I've already seen like I've already been to a target and seen switch two just sitting there. They're definitely in stock. Yeah. Like pretty easy. I'm assuming they're pretty easy to get. I don't remember that happening with the switch for months. Yeah. I mean, it took me days to find one. Right. About my original switch. Um, this, Adam and I were talking about this like last week on trying to figure out why it makes sense. And my guess, and this is from someone who doesn't know anything about retail. or that is like are they going to bump this up which just means the cost of a retail store

purchasing these to keep them on shelves will go up still like not exactly the same obviously the retail store is making some sort of a margin there but and is this kind of attempting to cover the tariffs of switch to by release releasing stock that's out there already that's like this goes up it'll probably be paid by stores to sit on a shelf and maybe not even really get bought and is there some sort of like recoup here from what they're about to lose for the 20%? Well, yeah, Andrew Webster at the verge did some analysis on this. In his opinion, effectively, was that it is much less risky to raise the price of hardware that is not sold as much.

And the reason is because, I mean, yes. Yeah. People that buy like less of the stuff, yes, it won't, it won't make as much money, but it's not going to scare people as much as it does to raise the price of something that is very popular. Well, and this sucks the most for the people who might be interested in that. But if the Switch 2 is out and you really want the Switch OLED, yeah, you're probably not, you're upset, it costs more, but you're probably still going to buy it because there's a very specific reason you want that piece of hardware. Yeah.

And you're going to spend the money for doing it. Yeah. It's obviously less risky because the thing that's not going to sold is up. I feel like this also helps because people are going to be no longer looking at the Switch 2 as, wow, that's. so expensive compared to the other switch. Like, I could just get a Switch OLED for $100 cheaper. Like, now the difference is only $50. It's like, I might as well get the Switch 2.

Yeah. If I'm already spending $400. I'm trying to think of, like, in this scenario, how many people go into that, like, ladder? Because, like, if you're at a Walmart, are there still old switches in stock there? Yeah. And then you see it next to each other. Are you looking at the Switch 2 because of a specific game, which isn't even available on the old switches?

so you don't even have to make that jump. You already have to pay the $450 because you want to play Donkey Kong or Mario Kong World. Also, they could just be waiting for the tariffs to change again. They're like, we already have all of our stock for the Switch 2 in the States, hopefully, so we don't have to import a crazy amount. I think that's probably why they flooded the market. You know, like the original Switch, it was hard to find them for a very long time with the Switch 2.

It's kind of been like every single week there's a restock. And like you said, now you're at the point you can just walk into a lot of stores and buy them. We still saw, like, huge shipments of phones coming into beat tariffs. So I think on top of not doing a Switch 1 and beating tariffs, there's probably so many Switch 2s

already in stock. Are they just raising these because they, I'd love to see how many OLEDs and lights they're still selling. I got, this is what I was just about to say. I'm on eBay right now looking at sold listings of Nintendo Switch 1. You can buy them between $80 and like $100,

$120 used. Used. A Switch OLED used with everything is $160. Like, you should not be paying full retail price for any of these things anymore. So I'm really wondering how much of this cost Nintendo is actually recouping. In a way, it is just making the Switch 2 seem like a better deal. That's what I think it is. So at the same time, it's like, yes, they're doing it because of tariffs, but also they're probably

going to sell more Switch 2s if everything else is more expensive. Mm-hmm, you know. Because now it's just going to force people up the ladder to just, I might as well get a switch too. Or even if they don't, then they're minimizing their loss because they just raise the prices on all the cheaper models. Right. Yeah. Which, you know, in 2025, you look at inflation, it's like things can't really be that cheap anymore. Obviously, their parts are so old that they probably are making a huge profit if they're selling any of them. But, yeah, it is very surprising. $80 for a use switch is kind of good, though.

Yeah, I mean. That's not bad. I mean, it's great. Yeah, it's great. But, I mean, you know, if you have an original Nintendo Switch, it's been a long time. There is one very specific one, though, that I do think goes for a lot because it's the easiest to mod or something about it. There's like this very specific generation of it. If you didn't update it to a certain patch.

Yeah, it was easy to mod. Also, they have raised the price of the Switch 1 Joycons by $10, which is something that people might buy new, obviously, because of stick drift, which is, effectively where it does not monitor the direction of your stick correctly after a certain amount of time. A funny story, Adam and I experienced the other day. Sure. We're playing rumble mode, right?

No, Mario Kart World. Knockout, Knockout. Sorry. I think we've said this already. That mode is so much fun. Knockout Tour. Knockout Tour, yeah. It's like, I don't want to say it's worth buying World for that,

but if you love Mario Kart, I think Knockout is super fun. It's the one to play with a bunch of friends. Knockout Tour is basically like you go through six stages in a row without stopping. Without stopping and it's like Fortnite. It's like it's almost like Fortnite where checkpoints people get eliminated and you have to be and it goes from like 26 or 25 down to like four and then you win.

But Adam Alex and I are playing on the screen over here and Alex is just like, oh my God, I got stick drift already and he's like freaking out the whole thing. The brand new joycon. But he had tilt controls on. He had tilt controls on. He was so into it. I was like, oh, no, mine's messed up too. I think I have tilt controls on.

You probably just have it on. He's like, no, no, no. And he's like, focusing and just playing. And then the next time he switches control and he's like, what the? I was like, dude, you definitely just have tilt controls on. And yeah. Yeah, I haven't figured out how to turn tilt controls off. If you press start and I, it used to be like the left button, but now I think it's why.

There'll be settings and you can turn, uh, it's like auto. steering, tilt control, and auto accelerating. Baby mode. I was just about to say that too. Yeah, it's the bumpers on bowling. Okay, and they also raise the price of the Alarmo alarm clock by $10. No! See, that's what they should raise the price on though. Like,

yeah. People are still buying that. Oh, wait. I kind of want one. Sorry, Switch one joycons went up by $10. Which people do need to replace. Yeah, that's... Because you have a switch one, everyone's joycons eventually get stick drift. I bet they're, yeah, I bet they're making more money off of the switch one day. And the joikons were already so expensive. Yeah. And you need to buy those new effectively. So yeah. Even if you didn't go and get the switch too, you're like, ah, my switch is fine. I'm still just going to play these games randomly. Like you will need joycons eventually.

You won't need joycons. So yeah, again, uh, 450 is not seeming like that big of a deal now that the OLED is, uh, $400. You know, 50 more dollars for the brand new one is, yeah. The OLED screen still looks a little bit better in my opinion, but a lot better. A lot better. better. I would just love to see the numbers of how many switches, switch OLEDs and switch lights are still sold in the U.S. on like a quarterly basis. That data will probably come out. I mean, the switch lights. There probably is some data right now. I'm sure there's a lot of switch lights being sold. One because it's the cheapest, two because it's the smallest. Yeah. And they have a bunch of colors. Like if it's like a Christmas gift. It's perfect. This is this is just attacking all the parents and grandparents who don't know anything about consoles and when their kid asks. And they have a bunch of colors. And they have a bunch of kids. And they're just by it. And they're just by it. It's. This is. This is just attacking. This is. This is just attacking all the parents. This is. This is. This is. This is. This is. This is. This is for a new switch they just buy the thing the old version accidentally or they just 20% I mean a lot of people probably don't buy anything used you know there's probably a lot of people who just walk into the store and buy the thing and that's how they purchase everything so that's what they're counting on yep all right moving on uh we got fedever's corner to talk about let's go

i need i need ls to make custom fedever's corner music uh ghost has released ghost 6.0 if you do not know what Ghost is. Ghost is a newsletter publishing platform and sort of also a website builder. You can kind of think it as a combination between Substack and Squarespace, which is pretty cool. It feels weird saying Squarespace on a piece of content because I've literally never done a Squarespace ad, but like the entirety of YouTube is like powered, it's like run by square space ads. Anyway, I'm not doing an ad for Squarespace. But I am doing an ad for Ghost, but they didn't pay me um anyway so if you watched our fedaverse explained episode that we did last year it was called uh blue sky versus threads was that last year yeah it was last year or two years ago one of

actually it might have been two years ago that makes more sense it could have been two years ago yeah uh we broke down the protocols of the open social web in that and we also interviewed ghost CEO john nolan because john o'nolan sorry, because he was very adamant about eventually integrating Ghost into the Fediverse. And the way that this would work effectively is that your website itself. So I have Davidamel.com, right? Davidamel.com now is an entity in the Fediverse. So on threads or on blue sky or on mastodon, you can follow Davidamel.com. And then whenever I make a blog post on Davidemal.com, because Ghost is a neat,

newsletter publishing platform you can just see the blog post there you can like it you can interact with it you can comment on it those comments will show up on my website so it's just kind of a way to own and distribute all of your content across the social web which is very cool um i am trying to figure out how they integrated it with blue sky because blue sky is on the AT protocol which is different didn't they use the bridgy fed thing i don't think they did uh anyway the update also includes a native analytics suite. I think the reason that they're doing this is because there has been a really big resurgence in Substack over the last year or so, which has been very interesting to see because back in 2020, Substack blew up because a bunch of journalists started leaving different publications and starting their own newsletters and making a lot of money. Substack was offering people effectively like entire salaries to write on there exclusively. But yeah, I think there's been this big resurgence of a bunch of regular people. have been writing on substack recently. And I think that that is a reaction to just the quickness and randomness and algorithm focus

of social media. A lot of people want to do more long-form thoughts instead of just dumb takes that are incentivized by the algorithm to be controversial. Blogs are back, baby. Blogs are back, baby. It's funny because everyone you're describing here as like old reporter who made a substack to do non-clickbady headlines makes me think of one. of my friends, who's the first substack

mentioned in this article talking about ghosting. Oh, really? That's cool. Tangle News. Oh, that's your friend? Yeah, Marquez and I played Ultimate with him. Wow, that's super cool. Yeah. Also, Ryan Barrett, the guy who does Bridget Fed, is part of a new social, which is the group that's like

doing this whole thing. So I think, back to my point, I think they are using some sort of bridge. Are they? Okay. That would be my guess. I emailed John O'Nolan this morning, but he does not live on this coast. I don't think he's Anyway, I'm not going to, I'm not going to say where he lives, but I hate, why don't you want to dox him? As far as I understand, he lives in a different time zone.

So I'm not surprised that he hasn't gotten back to me as of time of publishing. I would like to find out how they're doing that on blue sky, but either way, it's very cool. It's a very, also, ghost is open source. So you can host it yourself. If ghost the company, the business goes out of business, you can still run your website. You can still host it. it's not like all these other platforms where they get to make all the decisions and if they decide that they want to charge you a million dollars you're just out of luck you can do everything

yourself which is pretty freaking awesome so uh adam you updated cool supply your your newsletter to be on go six and it was really easy like i logged in and then a little banner popped up and was like hey goal 6.0 is ready do you want to update and i was like oh sure yeah so i hit update and it was like go grab a coffee this may take a couple minutes yeah and it literally took like 30 seconds and everything was updated but I don't have a lot on there but still it like completely updated super super chill very fun little Fediverse corner update because this is what John has been waiting for for a very long time yeah all right it is cool it's like having your own little comment section yeah no it's amazing and I think newsletter should should come back yeah I've just been like I've

been nervous to do you know like a weekly newsletter because I don't want to be so reactive to everything all the time because I think people need to digest information more and not have a hot take about literally everything. This podcast would crumble if we weren't allowed to do that. Yeah. We actually usually have a couple days. Yeah. We have a couple days to think about it and think if it's a horrible think about what we've done. Think about our

horrible opinions. All right. Last story before we take it to break again. Take it to the bridge. Take it to the bridge. Take it to the bridged account. Bridge to Fedover's been. Instagram now says that you need a thousand followers to go live.

So if you know what, going live is on Instagram, it's a live stream. This makes no sense to me. Yeah, I got this. I don't understand. Like, if I really wanted to go live on Instagram and do something nefarious, right? What's to stop me from just botting a thousand followers to whatever account I wanted to go live from? And, yeah.

I mean, yes. And also, if like, yeah, just bought it. But if you're a scam account that doesn't have a thousand followers, you're not scamming anyone because no one's watching the live stream. Yeah, yeah. There's no, as far as I know, there's no live discoverability in Instagram. It's only page reels, like, post in reels discoverability. You only ever see live if you're following the person. So, yeah.

This actually just kind of seems really crappy to people with not a lot of followers that might still go live to like, I don't, there's. By the way, a thousand followers is a lot of followers. It's a lot of followers. Like, that's a lot of people. And I know that, like, you know, huge accounts that have millions of followers are like, that's not a lot. but regular people do not have a thousand followers.

Most people do not. And it's kind of lame that, you know, I have some friends in, like, the film photography community that occasionally just want to, like, go live and talk about some photos that they took, just to their friends, right? And this makes it feel like Instagram is moving further and further away from being a platform where you share things with your friends

and more and more, like, oh, we're only going to give features to people who have a large audience that can make us a lot of money. Well, if Instagram heard that, they'd say, thank you very much. That's exactly what we're going for. But do you know what this, like, nerfs, that's really funny, people who bought, like, meta-ray bands or Oakley, because, or sorry, meta-Oakley, because one of the cool things they've said about that is, like, you can stream on Instagram live from your glasses, which I think is actually

a really cool feature, but now you need a thousand followers to do it. So they just nerfed their own product with this. That's potentially thousands of people who are going to do it. I did not think of that. Because I've thought a couple of times about grabbing one of the pairs and, like, playing around of disc golf live. I'm lucky enough that I work for a thing that has me over a thousand followers. But, like, I know plenty of people that I would be like, oh, my buddy's playing around

live on his meta-ray bands right now. I'd love to watch that and now they might not be able to. That is so lame. I don't know. Some people were speculating as to why they might have made this change. Some people thought maybe they want to save on server costs. Like if there's, like, less people doing live, they don't have to. post it anymore.

The first thing that I thought of was this is them kind of trying to cover their bases for like random like terrorist attacks. Exactly. Yeah. Like if you, because every time a bad thing happens on Instagram live. Randomly. It is live streamed and it's everywhere immediately.

So like this kind of stops that to a certain extent. Like if you have to be a real person quote unquote. Yeah. Like actively engaging in the community of Instagram, get a thousand followers and then go live. Yeah. So you have like more to lose if you do something. Yeah.

Which I get, but it also completely screws over everyone trying to build their audience and get bigger. My argument with that, and which goes to what David said, is not everyone's on Instagram to build an audience. Yeah, that's true. I just have, some people just have friends. Like, I think all the time how kind of bummed I am that I didn't like separate my Instagram and have two of them. One that's more of the like MKBHD first focused and one that's more of just my friends. I originally just split it off into Mac and then had to remake my own second one

but like yeah a lot of people just want Instagram to keep up with their friends the only reason Facebook's still alive there's like two Facebook groups and a few family members on there is the reason I have it and marketplace but yeah that's so funny there's going to be so many people with Raybands that are probably live stream like random things to their friends

that are going to be like I just lost a feature I can see a class action lawsuit around that to be honest if it's a major feature that they advertise? They did. Remember the thing? They brought in Charles Leclair to go on like a go-kart drive with the meta-ray bands and then like he was reading the chat on his phone.

Well, I feel like the feature... He obviously has a thousand followers. The feature is still there, though. It's not like they're taking it away. So you bought these glasses for that feature. You have to have a thousand followers. Yeah, like they added a barrier, but like, I don't know if you can like take a class action lawsuit for it.

I would argue that's a barrier for a lot of people that is, one that won't ever be broken because their profiles are private and they don't want a thousand followers. Yeah, actually, I know a lot of people with private profiles. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. So, dumb, dumb change. That was so much dumber than I expected it. Once we talk about it, we realize it's really stupid. Anyway, that's going to be it for this segment. So we will take it to another trivia question. But next, we're all talking about really cool things we love. Super head-to-head trivia. Super head-to-head, Trevor.

Thank you, Ellis. All right, the next question of how well do you guys know each other? What are the apps in the other person's phone dock? Oh. Yeah. Oh. Oh. All right.

That's interesting. It's going to be tricky. It is. All right. Well, we'll get that to that at the end of the show. But in the next segment, we're going to do a little show-and-tell with some stuff that we've been using recently, interested in recently. I have too. It's going to be fun.

Nice. Things we want to show and show. and tell about. Yeah. Show and I'm going to tell. Share it with the class. I'm going to tell everybody. Thanks.

I'm going to tell on you. Do it. Don't tell me. Be right back. That's a Marcus. Oh, I can tell Marcus. All right. All right.

Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We're your host. Yeah, that's going to get old pretty quick. Okay. We're in the third segment of this episode now. And this is our... You're starting to be so meta. I'm sorry. This is our little show and tell segment that we're doing this week. So we just figured we wanted... Yep. We very rarely get to talk about products that we're like individually using because this is mostly a news show. And I kind of wanted to talk about a new tripod that I've been using a lot recently. What tripod? You this morning were like, I really want to talk about. this can we do show and tell and i was like wait i actually do have something that i just got that i

want to talk about that's awesome that's very cool let's do it let's start tripod okay so if you are photographer or in the photography community you've probably heard of peak design uh they are very high quality quite expensive brand that creates um what they would call peak design oh my god i never realized that it's like i think it's like a double untrida like peak like mountain but yeah that's always how i took it best i don't know know. Anyway, I have had their original travel tripod for a really, really, really long time, basically since it came out. I believe it was like 2018, 2017, 2018. Something like that. I have the carbon fiber one, which is too expensive. It is $600. It's really expensive. But

it's basically the best super lightweight tripod that I've used. I keep it, I do a lot of hiking, so I like keep it in my backpack. And it's very easy to just. just slap my cameras on and it just like tucks into pretty much like your water bottle holder on the side pretty easy because who needs water on hikes when you can have a six hundred dollar tripod instead yeah but like it's one of those things that can simultaneously be too expensive and also just like really really high quality the best thing ever exactly that's the scenario you have it in yeah and they do have an aluminum version of this which is not that much heavier and it's much cheaper so you know that's still also a good option anyway this has been around for a very long time

It does have some quirks and features. And that is why they eventually made this new one called the, it's the Peak Design Pro line of tripods. So this is the small one. For some reason, Peak Design made three of the new pro tripods. Do you know what the differences are between? Yeah. So it's mostly that they hold different amounts of weight and also can get taller and shorter

and stuff like that. This is the small one. So this will be compared to the original tripod right here if you want to do that. Yes. This is like significantly bigger than I thought it was going to be. Yeah, it is quite a bit bigger. So for me, the one problem that I have always had with the original, well, not one problem. Maybe the biggest problem I've had with the original travel tripod is that I shoot four by five film pretty often.

Four by five film is like one of those large view cameras that you would see in like the 1940s. And when I would use this, it would have some shake because those cameras are very big. They're not really, these tripods are not really made for like big payloads. So I think part of the reason that peak design got into this market segment was that they wanted to probably tackle people that are using like way heavier duty, harder core cameras. And then there are just some engineering things with the original tripod that they made better. So for example, it has this quick lock mechanism that allows you to just like, displace the uh they have the little mount that is kind of like standard to them um and it looks like this the tripod mount that goes on the camera like the original one square it's very small but i i

liked what it was my yeah my biggest complaint about it yeah was the little area that they hold the allen wrench for it yes the allen wrench always i have long yours is missing i noticed that yeah and you do need an allen wrench in order to put this on your camera so what i've ended up doing. I'm not going to show my keys on camera because people always yell at me about that. But I've put an Allen wrench on my keychain. So I constantly have an Allen wrench with me.

Anyway, some of the problems that the original tripod had is that if you raise the head here, and I'm sorry if this is really boring to non-camera people, but if you raise the head here and you want to like put it at an angle, you can only... Wait, what was it? so it's on a it's a ball head yeah it's a ball wait and there's like these three different

dividers essentially that fall down into the tripod when it's tucked all the way in right and sometimes that makes turning it sideways difficult because it kind of gets in the way yeah can kind of get in the way assuming that's what you're talking so this new one uh is more of a standard ball head where you can just pivot and twist in like many different directions so that's very handy. Yeah, it's just going to go 360 instead of having to, you know, jam in there. That's very useful. The big thing about the four by five cameras, though, is that this, because the four by five is so big and it's not super heavy, but it does have a lot of surface area, it would shake a lot when it was windy on like a mountain. And that was very frustrating because there's no optical

image stabilization on four by five film, obviously. So even the most like micro shake would would mess up the image. These are much more stable. Even the small one is like super stable. They also re-engineered the center column to add a bunch of different features. They changed the clips a little bit. Overall, it's kind of just like a much more sturdy system. Also, when you're clipping in the camera, it now has the spring-loaded mechanism.

I was just messing with this. Yeah, the spring-loaded mechanism for the tripod mount on a camera. attaching feels super nice it feels really good so yeah effectively you you like unlock it by pulling this and it pulls up this little tab that when you put the uh plate in it snaps it closed david into the likes talking to your mic a little bit he's getting it locks it in yeah i'm sorry i love tripods and it like locks it in and then they have an extra lock right here so i don't know everything about these tripods is definitely about like stability and being able to shoot things without any shake and stuff like that they made the clips a little bit easier to use because

unclipping and clipping a tripod always takes forever um yeah so i've been really enjoying this i don't love how big it is like you cannot really beat this original tripod size uh because this can fit in like basically any water bottle pocket of any backpack that i have whereas the the new pro ones definitely are bulkier even the small one for some reason they made it in a small, medium, and large form. The large makes a lot of sense because it's for, like, giant payload. Like, they're trying to get into the cinema kind of landscape. They sell a fluid head adapter that makes it so you can use it as a fluid head tripod.

But I don't really understand why they made the medium one, because the small and the medium are almost exactly the same size, and they go up in size in prices of $100. So they call it pro light, pro and pro tall. So I'm not really, I don't really know. But overall, like, this has made my photography a lot more reliable, I guess, specifically with my 4x5 cameras. I can see, like, I understand it being larger and the main problem you have with it is shake and stability.

So, like, making it larger is probably the only way to really fix that. And if you're, I would argue, if you're carrying something like your 4x5 camera, you probably aren't trying to be in, like, this level of light payload, where, like, this could be. I took this tripod with me and just like a Sony A7R with other hiking stuff so like to me it was just part of the pack

and then like not too bad but seeing this I think it's really cool they obviously I mean peaks quality is always absolutely at the top of its game this looks like they solved a bunch of the issues but seeing it and seeing its side

just makes me still like the original one I think because I'd rather just throw it it's so pocketable it's so small It's so, like, when you are somebody, and I see this now all the time watching, like, disc golf YouTube of people, like, lugging tripods around all over a disc golf course, like, you want a really small one, but the problem is all the really small ones are really flimsy. Yeah. This is, they nailed their target demographic at this one, despite its price. I think getting into the bigger game, when you talk about the larger one and huge payloads and cinema stuff is like, we have really good cinema tripods already. That feels like a crowded space.

For sure. I'm sure Peak Design can get it into it. I think it's probably for people that, like, everything that they own is in the Peak Design ecosystem. That's fair. They have built out quite in, like, an ecosystem that uses all of their things and they interlock with each other and they've got all these features. But yeah, I think for, like, most people, the original one, even the aluminum one, is, like,

more than great. This is really going to be if you have specific use cases, like me with the 4x5. Yeah. The travel tripod feels like I'm packing it with other things. The pro tripods feel like my pack is all cameras. That's all that's in my bag. Which has been me for a while. Well, yeah, but that's because you sacrifice the rest of survival things for your cameras.

I'm having lower back problems. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. For my book, it's been great. No, these, I mean, this is sick. Yeah. And it can get a little bit tighter down to because of that redesign center column. Yeah, the center column seems way larger, which is the best part about it?

Also, when the original one was all the way down like this, it couldn't tilt at all. So the only way to bring it up, you had to loosen it, bring it up to here, tighten it, and then it could, and then it could rotate. But that means it can't go quite as low, whereas this one can, it can tilt even when it's all the way down. It's on its lowest stage, yeah, which is pretty cool. Do you know what I appreciate? Even though this is the pro version, it still has the little hair. hidden cell phone holder. So this has always been a really cool feature.

In the bottom, there is a hook. Generally, on tripods, that hook is for stability. So you put like a backpack on the hook, and that basically just adds a bunch of weight to the tripod so that it shakes less. And I still do that. The hook on the bigger one is obviously bigger. But inside of that column,

they have a secret little cell phone holder that you can put on the tripod. So if you want to do like Astro Mode on your pixel or something, you can now use the tripod with your pixel instead of having to buy a brand new tripod just for phones. That's cool.

So I think that that's really cool. Also, obviously, we talked about you need an Allen key, which is very kind of frustrating because you can lose it pretty easily and they have a clip on the tripod itself to store the Allen key. In the new ones, the bags now have a slot for the Allen key. So I think that they want you to keep it in the bag more.

The previous bag had like two microns of, extra room. It was like putting a sleeping bag back in like a sleeping bag. It was impossible. It was so hard to get it in and out. So the new one has a slot in there and they gave it a little more slack. So I don't know. I just wanted to bring that up because I've been doing a lot of mountain climbing recently

and I've been using this a lot. So yeah. Nice. They're still on Kickstarter right now though. What's the final price? Did you say it? Yeah, they're really expensive. They're like really expensive.

So the pro light is going to be. $800, the pro, the pro is going to be $900, and then the pro tall, they call it, because I think it just gets taller, is going to be $1,000. Yeah, really expensive. They're also selling a lot of new accessories with these. They have a new leveling base for people who like that, and they have spiked feet for $49. Oh, it does have the level on it. Yeah, it has a level.

Oh, yeah, both of them have level. Yeah, but a leveling base is like that weird, like, cage thing. that you can use with cameras. It's like, it's kind of an old school, like hardcore photographer feature. Yeah, then they have spiked feet. So I guess if you're, you know, in the mountains and you want to like really, really, really, really rig it down,

if you're doing, I guess if you were doing like a really, really, really long exposure and you just wanted it to not, you know, overnight kind of long exposure. I mean, they co-developed this with Jimmy Chin, so they're going to do it in a scenario where it's a, yeah. It's lasting out there for sure.

Yeah. Anyway, just want to bring that up real quick. All right. What did you have? I brought something that is significantly cheaper. Yeah, probably. Cheapness is actually part of the reason why I find it interesting. And probably more useful than more people I would guess.

Maybe. So my thing is, is like you wanted to possibly label this section, like our favorite things. But I don't want to call this a favorite because I was mostly kidding. Yeah. Yeah. This is. Oh, you got one of these? That I saw on the verge.

You got one of these? So I think I first saw it on the verge. It is called the SINDA ergonomic mouse rechargeable USB dual Bluetooth MOU 302 Vertical Wireless Mouth with Volume Nause. There's actually more to that, but I don't feel like saying all of it. Essentially, it's a vertical ergonomic wireless mouse

That comes in some wild colors. I bought arguably the coolest color, which is like purple, yellow, and like a vintagey green. Like this feels very like... Yeah, it's like a turquoise. Like Rocco's Modern Life. Or like a C4th.

vibes yeah and green um and what so i saw it because of the color and because of the integrated volume knob so essentially the mouse because it's vertical and ergonomic it's you know the the buttons are almost sideways and you hold it like you're holding a glass of water essentially where you're kind of pinching it in between your hand and then on the top now it's got extra space there's still a front and back button on the sides of it where your thumb rests but above it there's a little knob that clicks in and can turn. That's what intrigued me by, is the colors in that knob. Elvis is shaking in his boots.

He hates knobs. What really intrigued me, though, is when I clicked on the link for it, it was on sale for 1959. That's crazy. The list price at $27.99. That's crazy. I don't know how they're making money off of this. I'm by no means saying the build quality on this is great.

I wouldn't even say it's very good. Yeah, I would say it feels like it's $20. It feels like it's $20. But when you look at a Logitech, I think they have the Logitech lift and the Logitech vertical are two of theirs. And they're like $80 and like over $100 for them.

And they're great mice. And like people like rich here love them. I don't love vertical ergonomic mice, but I'm trying this one out. Apparently it's way better to get rid of your carpal tunnel. We'll see. If it stresses me out more than my carpal tunnel, than I, but I think

there's some design flaws in this. I think the reason I want to be really cautious about talking about this is because I've used it for less than a week and I don't know the durability of it. But for $20, I had to try and I'm going to keep trying it. The colors are sick. It's USBC, which

took Logitech years to finally switch to. It can do two Bluetooth connections and the USB dongle, which I'm always a dongle person. I think it's easier. Just like a little you know USBA yeah the things I have not liked about it is I don't believe there's any software so I cannot change what the volume knob I can't change what the volume knob dubs which really

sucks for me because I'm using an audio interface which means my volume keys don't do anything when I'm plugged into my desktop okay so the volume note does nothing for also how do you deal sensitivity there's there are three DPI modes and then you also can just change sensitivity inside of macOS or whatever. How's the latency when you're playing old school runescape? I was going to say you should play Valoran with this. I'm definitely not plenty of... I should try Valoran with it.

That would be hilarious how bad it would be. I kind of like the way it feels. I'd say that the sliders on the bottom are horrible. Like it feels like it's kind of like there's a lot of... It felt fine on my mouse pad. Yeah, maybe the mouse pad would be better than this. My biggest gripe with it, and we found this out when we were comparing it to Rich,

is the Logitech verticals where your mouse rests almost has like a bed for your thumb to rest on where it juts out this is just straight down and you're kind of like always gripping this mouse um i say it's kind of like if you're a climber like pinch holds you're always pinching this you're not really resting your hand on the mouse at all which is comfortable i think yeah which makes you really have to think about using it i've been kind of enjoying it i find myself doing way more wrist movements than like whole arm movements to move things to go around and click on stuff. It's taken a really long time to get used to vertical mouse.

It feels really strange. They're silent buttons, which is a lot of what, like, the MX Master's been doing now. I think they actually feel kind of nice. Scroll wheel feels like shit, but I don't really care that much. It's $19, and it works. The knob doesn't feel bad. It's just plastic, but it's got some, like, nice feedback to it. The tactility of the clicking is nice.

Yeah, and it's, I mean, it was essentially plug and play. I plugged it right into my computer, and it just started working. I'm assuming it would on a Windows as well, but... Cool. I don't get $19. I don't know how they use for $20. That's crazy. I do not know what the battery life's yet.

I've charged it once and it's still going after a few days. How many colors does it come in? Yeah, what are the other colors? Four, so there's a plain black. There's a pink. What are they even calling this? They literally don't even have color. Oh, no, they're just calling it pink.

Pink, but it's like two different types of pink. The buttons and the scroll wheel are, or sorry, the buttons and the volume knob are a different color. This is the purple and green version. They just call it purple. There's a light blue version and there's the straight black version. That one's definitely the best color. You can also buy two packs of these for $42.

Wow. So it's more expensive, wait. Right now that's more expensive. But it's not more expensive if you're assuming the list price of $20. I don't know how cheap it'll, how long it'll be this cheap. Yeah. If you decide to go out and get this. I cannot promise you how long it will work.

I assume it will work as long as $20 is worth. But I was very intrigued by it. I want to see a game with this. There's no way I'm gaming with that. I need to see a pro Twitch streamer just using this. That would be. I'm sure someone's done it, but getting like pro CS players to play it with like crappy noise.

I bet the latency on this is terrible. It's terrible. Yeah. But no one buys an ergonomic mouth for like great latency. Yeah, yeah. Cool. Yeah, that's, that's it. That's a good one. The Senda ergonomic M-O-U-302. CINDA.

Multiple device cordless mice compatible for Windows PC laptop MacOS purple. Pink. Seinda. I make a bunch of other random stuff. Really? Yeah, I've never heard of them. Although, okay, so here's my other thing. This is probably why it's so cheap.

I'm almost positive. It's just white-labeled something because I saw a different, really weird. ergonomic mouse that looks like an oven mitt and it's also vertical that looks different though this is different but Sinda makes one

that looks exactly like this one even though that one's from a different company so I basically found two of the exact same mice under two different companies I'd never heard of which makes me just assume

this is white labeled from somewhere sounds like those Alibaba things yep got it all right neat cool Adam yope all right I've got two one of them is hardware

one of them is software So for the last few weeks, I have been asked a surprising amount of times, what is this teal thing on the back of my phone? Oh, yeah, those are awesome. Yeah, this is a moffed tripod, basically. So it attaches MagSafe to a phone. Now I'm on iPhone, so it attaches perfectly. Last week, I was on Pixel, so it attaches to the case. But it will attach to the Pixel 10.

It will attach to the Pixel 10, allegedly. Allegedly. We'll see in 14 days. But it's just a little MagSafe stand that, like, use. resistance to kind of prop itself up or if you need to get it taller you could like kind of fold it all the way out which is really cool it has multiple angles and stuff like that so it's just a really like handy thing to have attached to your phone if you're not going to have anything on magsafe anyway my friend beerget has that and she does like content creation for a film company yeah

it's amazing just watching her just like prop it up and making stuff all the time you know peak design had a really awesome magnetic tripod for a phone but it was like the proprietary own magnetic connection on their cases, and I just really disliked the fabric of their cases. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The tripod was sick. Like, it was so cool how maneuverable it was and how small it was on the back of the phone,

but their tripod case got grody. The phone case, you mean so bad. Sorry, the phone case got grody. Have they changed the material of that? I have no idea. I don't know if they're even still really. Yeah, they used this really, at the beginning, they used this really thin light material

that just kind of disgusting pretty quickly. Yeah, and it had a lot of, like, it was like woven, so whenever you have woven stuff like that, it just means so much more dirt and grime. And I liked it because I could film climbing stuff with it, which meant my hands were chalky, which meant that thing in like two weeks.

It was disgusting. Yeah, nice. All right. What's your software? The software that I got, the reason I actually switched back to the iPhone was to try this piece of software. And Brandon put me onto it a couple months ago,

which is the not boring, software, like, suite of things. Yeah. So in one of the studio videos, he was talking about his weather app. The developer of that weather app, Andy Allen, makes a bunch of different, like, utility apps. And basically his whole thing is he takes a app that's pretty much a stock app on the iPhone and just makes it super pretty and cool.

So, like, in the studio video, Brandon was talking about the weather app. He recently released one for a camera. It's like retro camera. And this camera app is just so sick. It's so fun to use. Not boring camera. It is not boring at all. And it's almost like, remember we spoke about the X half a couple weeks ago?

Yeah, the Fuji X half. The Fuji X half. And it's like you use it because it kind of mimics a film camera. Like that was part of the allure of it. Like you can't relook at the photos you use or whatever. This app kind of does something similar, which is, you know, in the regular camera app, you take a picture, the little preview goes down to like the bottom left and has like a gallery that you can then click to see. That does not exist on this camera app.

So it is just the viewfinder, but you can customize the way the camera looks. It's really fun and quirky. There's a bunch of colors and stuff like that. And it does do, like, the best feature that I personally like about it is that it does have really nice, like, filters and luts and recipes. And you can even import your own Lut if you want. It is a paid app. I believe it's like $14.99 for the year.

So like, I don't know, a dollar or something a month. But it's like overall a really fun app. You can also save just the straight up raw if you want. So you can take a regular picture in their recipe or whatever and then still have your raw photo saved in the background, which is cool. I prefer that. But so far I've been really liking it.

I've been using it for like a week. And the pictures that I'm getting are like fantastic. Yeah. I love everything that these guys make. They're so good. The UI looks really similar to your rendered iPad case from the Shark Tank episode. Oh, yes. You're right.

A little more colorful. but it's just a really I like seeing things that have more intentional design yeah it's and more fun yeah these guys also make not boring calculator and not boring weather not boring habits yeah I'm when you said a new app they did and I looked on their thing and saw habits I was like he's about to talk about habits oh that's next I have that download it as well it's a good way it seems like everything that they make is sort of like the most boring like utilitarian thing and they just make it really fun just make it pretty and fun which is one of the reasons I'm so excited about this is not iPhone, but

Material 3 Expressive. Because it's like the whole UI of the phone is that kind of fun material expression. Yeah. But apps like these on iPhone that are just fun to use and look cool. Yeah, they definitely feel like material. Yeah. It's more like this

is supposed to be fun and whimsical and different. You know, not like very monotone and clean, like the old aesthetic of Apple. So like having this app on an iPhone has just been like a fun weird experience cool so highly recommended that's awesome i just want to say hey andy us android people like to have fun too i wouldn't mind trying some of these out i made a whole

episode about why there are so many different iOS apps and no android i want to have fun you're not allowed you're only allowed to go on a lot of fun with my lemon cello piss color all right let's move on to trivia super head-to-head super head-to-head trivia all right so first question how well do you guys know each other look at your average screen time and guess the other person's most used app

go and we're doing of like the last week right last seven days yeah yeah or like seven days in general Not like the last seven days until now, but... I'm worried this is going to be really boring. Don't give him a hint. Oh, wait, you're giving me a hint. Shoot. I think I know what it is now.

Maybe at the end of this exhibition matches, the winner will win something. Who knows? No pressure. You probably won't win anything, though. All right, flip them and read. What do you got? Oh, you won way too boring.

Oh, dang. I said Instagram. I'm sorry, you said Instagram. I said Google Maps. No. I forgot you don't know what the answer is. I said Instagram. No. Ooh. All right, mine was Instagram. Oh, really? Oh, dang. Mine was Reddit. Was it really? Yeah. Can I wait? Because I'm hooked on that Pokemon trading card game and you're reading all the line and the subreddit's really fun. Okay, so me and Ellis thought that yours was going to be the Pokemon trading card game. Oh, it was number one for today. Oh, okay. I already had 45 minutes. That's what I should have had. guest though so wait can we talk about something with reddit that's really funny my favorite thing about

the new reddit app is if you take a screenshot of a post the reddit app the reddit app ever since they killed all the other ever since they killed the good ones yeah the bad official if you screenshot a post it's it's so quickly bros puts this little crappy pop-up because it's in it's all in white and just like plain text it's just like wait wait wait wait please use the share button instead it's so much more fun if you share this with someone like eat my screenshot yeah because then it gives you a link and then the link opens the reddit app yeah it's it makes me happy every time i do yeah it's like you can't stop me i was worried mine was gonna be reddit because i still do go on it pretty often and then get frustrated but you know it wouldn't help my public image if it's i will say annoyingly because

everyone sort of has their sort of like my brain needs sustenance uh app right I'm annoyed that mine has become Reddit as of recent weeks, and I do not like that. I've just tried to make my following subreddits so... Actually, mine are so small that the majority of the time Reddit just doesn't work for me because it won't re-show me articles and then like just nothing will show up in the homepage,

which is another glaring, awesome development by the Reddit app because it's just such a good app. Yeah, it's really bad. It's fucking terrible. Yeah, it's bad. Damn. All right. I don't remember the next question.

The next question is, what apps are on the other person's dock on your phone specifically? I'm going to answer and then ask a question. Okay. Is it one point for each? No. Okay. flip him and read what do you got uh i put messages is that on there uh sorry okay wait so here's how i'm going to ask adam how do i score this i have two folders on my doc what does

every app inside my folders count yeah so david has multiple that basically david can't lose your whole phone is on your dog you could have gotten 70 points off of this how many apps do you have on your dock Each folder has 12 apps. You're a monster. And then I have three other apps. Dude, the entire point of the dock is quick access. Yeah, quick access. To 24 apps?

No, but these folders, if I accidentally, if I like get rid of one of them, I like forget how to function on this. Because like my thumb is so used to picking things just by second nature that like if one of these shifts, no. Oh, yeah, I just pull down and search everything. That did so much long. I mean, yeah, but then you don't need to worry about where it is. I would argue 99% of the apps I use in a day are in one of these folders on my dock,

and it's just like, it's almost like a shortcut key to just press it. This is insane. How is it? You guys type it out every time you want to find something? Well, I just have a dock, and then if I need to find something, then yeah, I'll just search for it. Every time I think the comments are going to agree with me on this one. I disagree. I think the comments on our side.

Well, you guys also, though, oh, you have a homepage, though. I have literally nothing else on my home page. I only have my doc. Got it. I have like my most used apps on my home page. And then when I want to use something else, I swipe down and search. Yeah, I just have nothing on my homepage.

My five icons on the dock. Two of them are folders and they're the apps that I use every day. And I never go into my app. So this question is kind of moot then. Well, I don't know. I think you're. All right. And David, did I just show you?

Well, I'm not giving you Frisbee. Did I just show you? I wrote it down already, so it doesn't. But, David, what did you say for? I said messages. Correct. Andrew, is that correct? Spotify.

Spotify? It's a very common one in one of my folders. I would give him that. Yeah. Google Maps. Correct. And I've got some sort of Frisbee app. There is a UDisc is right here.

Hey, yo. Nice. Four for four. All right. You shot yourself in a foot by having folders on that. That's your fault. I'm very excited for the, I don't know if this is like an Android versus iPhone thing. or like...

I think just having folders in your doc is psychotic. I think you guys telling me the better thing is to go into your app and search for it every time. No, you just swipe down and search. Especially you because you like a clean... Swipe down and search. It's the same.

I guess in Android, you go into your app to search. Yeah, you just swipe up. But it's the same thing. But you like a clean first homepage. Like, you don't like anything on there. So it makes sense to me that you would just search for everything. Like, why even have on there? Why would I search when I can just tell me an app to press right now?

You can do it on looking. Instagram. oh that's depressing it's not depressing it's just like these are the things that like I'm so used to okay slack damn she what about something you don't usually you don't basically the folders my most common ones are usually on the bottom so I can just press them again it almost turns into the second doc and then like I don't know I guess another common one is my email or like Instagram or YouTube going back to our conversation from last week though that just means that you have this stored in RAM at all time.

I'm telling you. Your physical motions. I have to take screenshots of what my folders are because when I get rid of one that maybe I don't use as much and then all of them shift, then I'm just like, oh, no. And I try and click things and it's just wrong all the time. See, muscle memory is unreliable. You should just use the built-in search function. I think that's the same.

Anyway, what did you say for David? Yeah, what did you say for me? I said, phone? Uh, no. I saw I know no no I don't use my messages yeah I said camera no I said Reddit no and Instagram no what is on your there's only four in the iPhone doc by the way yeah so I have pocket casts nice or left because it's my most used app messages okay okay then I have ARC mobile which is my browser you didn't put it

a browser on there. I have my browser. He's the folder. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah. I don't know. Oh, I should have put Safari. Yeah. And then I have Spotify.

And Spotify. Which I've been trying to use YouTube music more recently, actually. Oh, really? But the UI is horrible. Yeah, it's like so bad. I can tell you use a lot of audio on your phone because you have two audio things in the bottom. Well, I listen to podcasts most of the day. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so dang, cool. All right. Okay. Nice. Good question. I want to see the comments.

We learned something new about you, Andrew. Yeah. Another thing we have to fix. I'm a machine. Don't fix it. I think searching. What about Google? Where's Google tasks?

Can you instantly get to that? Well, Google Tasks is the only thing I have on a different page. Oh. My next page is basically my Google task list and my calendar. Okay. Which I also have calendar here too. Multiple. Well, this is like if I want to go month by month,

the other one is just like what's going on in the day. What's happening right now? Yeah. Okay. Cool. Well, uh, that's been it. Let us know in the comments how wrong Andrew is. Yeah, let's know in the comments, uh, how you feel about that. We're very close to the pixel event. We have one more episode. Um, and then the next episode we actually record on the day of the pixel event. It's been two weeks when Marquez is finally back. Can't wait.

Make sure you subscribe because the fat, the more people that subscribe, um, the faster Marquez will come back. Uh, if you don't subscribe and we don't grow to a million followers by the time he comes back, he will get stuck in China. He's going to get very sad if we don't have a million stuff. That would honestly be the craziest thing. It's not a good sight. Could you imagine if Marquez just came back from China after only missing two episodes and we doubled inside subscriber-wise?

Make it happen. Be sick. Make it happen. We'll collab with Mr. Beast or something. Yeah, we'll do a collab YouTube post of Mr. Beast. Anyway, that's been it. Catch you guys later. See you in the next one.

Peace. Wait for Miss Bruce by Adam Alina and Ellis-Rovin. We're partner with Vox Media Podcast Network, and our chartra music was created by name. So bingo! Let's go! Oh, and you can break it down into categories. Yeah, there's a lot of data.

There's a lot of data. There's a lot of smarts and also a lot of data. I mean, that's a lot of smarts, but also a lot of data. Exactly, Marquez. Wow, it's like he's here. Thanks for chiming in.