Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Galaxy S23 Lineup and the New HomePod

Episode Date: February 3, 2023

Samsung Unpacked was this week! Marques, Andrew, and David go over the new S23 lineup as well as recap some of the Apple HomePod review that also went up earlier in the week. Then they talk a little about OpenAI before getting into a new segment we're calling HYPEothetically. Tweet at us if you can think of a better name! Hope you enjoy. Links: HomePod review: https://bit.ly/homepod2review Oldest video on YouTube: https://bit.ly/oldyoutubevid Galaxy S23 Impressions video: https://bit.ly/wvfrmgalaxys23 Dave2D Samsung video: https://bit.ly/dave2ds23 Open AI announces ChatGPT+: https://bit.ly/chatGPTplus Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Shop products mentioned: Apple HomePod 2nd Gen at https://geni.us/m6XBSs Apple HomePod Mini at https://geni.us/oxJW2 Google Nest Mini (2nd Gen) at https://geni.us/BfqjN Samsung S23 Ultra at https://geni.us/Tl7QD Samsung S23 and S23+ at https://geni.us/j9xak Twitters: Waveform: https://twitter.com/wvfrm Marques: https://twitter.com/mkbhd Andrew: https://twitter.com/andymanganelli David: https://twitter.com/DurvidImel Adam: https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This week, we have a couple new pieces of tech. I'm going to call it the battle of the smallest hardware updates. We have the HomePod 2 and we have the Samsung Galaxy S23 series. We also have a little some maybe quick lightning round stuff, but also then Adam has a game for us

called Over or Under Hyped. I think that's the title. Seems pretty sick. Working title. We'll stick with that for now. But first, let's get into the gadgets because we do have some new reviews and we have some new pieces of hardware that we've evaluated and to talk about. I think we'll start with the HomePod 2 because that feels like the easiest, potentially quickest. We'll find out. We'll see.

I mean, there are some feelings about HomePod 2 that we might have to address. But the HomePod 2nd generation find out. We'll see. I mean, there are some feelings about HomePod, too, that we might have to address. But the HomePod second generation is out. And I called it sort of the most confusing product just because the first HomePod comes out back in 2018, I think it was. $350 smart speaker, feat of engineering, sounds wonderful, just siri things um they drop the price after after a while it's not selling very well and then they eventually discontinue it the mini 99 bucks lives on it's much more reasonable for most people so they bring this home pod 2 back and there are some small changes um but i'm just wondering why because i mean why why discontinue a product and then bring it back that that's my main thesis behind it because it's so similar i'll go over

the actual official differences if anyone's interested number one slightly new color midnight for the darker one uh the light color is still the same, the top display is now larger and it's inset a little bit. So there's that. Cool. The cable is now removable. So remember how the first HomePod had a non-removable cable? And that was kind of weird. Now that's like designed to be removed, it actually comes in the box detached. So you plug it in yourself. If you need in a pinch, you can use any other just cable that just plugs in so if your cable breaks you can go get the cable replaced but still have a working home pod in the meantime kind of cool uh it has two less tweeters two less microphones and it still kind of stains wooden tables just not as fast

so and it was only the uh white version right the only that's the only one i've gotten to actually stain the table so the old home pod had this base where it's like if you have the right material wood which is like i guess a porous wood that's not sealed very well and you put an old home pod on it within two minutes it's crazy you have a solid white ring on the table which is like this happens with this material um but because of the design, it's like all of the weight was around that ring. So Apple redesigns it a little bit. It's a flat bottom now, which is maybe a little bit worse acoustically,

or maybe it vibrates a little bit more, but now you've at least spread out the weight across the bottom, but it's the same material. And so after a day or two, it will also start to stain, unfortunately. Which sounds longer, but in the like life expectancy and placement of a home pod two days is very short so like a home pod will probably stay somewhere for i mean months if not years at a

time yeah you just sort of put it down i haven't moved my home smart speaker in over a year yeah so those are all the sort of newest things i mean there are a bunch of other smaller features we talked about matter support last time it has a thread radio in the new HomePod, so it can be your hub. It does have a temperature and humidity sensor. Some observations around some of the other reviews point to it maybe not being the most accurate in the world, but at least you can calibrate to how inaccurate it is. Like it might be a little warmer than your room typically is but that's fine um it's the new home pod any thoughts on like why it's back i i kind of had some youtube comments that brought up some things that i didn't find oh um the number one i'll just say the number one that i found the most compelling is that the the original home pod came out during the chip shortage. This new HomePod has less overall raw materials.

So it's obviously not during a chip shortage the same way it was a couple years ago. And it's also less tweeters and less microphones. And because it's now at $300 instead of 350, it's potentially a little bit easier to manufacture and make profits because of the less raw materials. And so they're just trying again. It's not going to pop off.

It's almost the same product as the one they discontinued for not being a reasonable thing to keep producing. But it's another try. That's the main thing that I saw too in terms of comments was chip shortage stuff. I think that Apple thought that the market was just not mature enough when they first released it. Like, I think that that's their excuse. I don't know if that's, I don't think that's going to work for them. Most people buy the smaller smart speakers slash hubs, you know, the Google Nest Hub Max, like barely sold any

units and the larger Echoes, I think think sell better but still not nearly as well it's always like google nested mini echo dot uh home um what is the apple one called again home pod mini yeah yeah like those sell like crazy um and a 300 one especially when there's no spotify support on it which as we learned, is not technically Apple's fault anymore because they took the PR out and allowed Spotify to get on it, but Spotify is boycotting them, so they're not going to do it.

But I mean, we just saw a headline a couple days ago that Spotify has its most users of all time, and it's by far the most used music streaming service now. They have over 200 million users, I think. Yeah, I think it's going to not do well for the same reason that it didn't do well in the first place. Maybe not bad enough to discontinue this time. Because Apple doesn't discontinue things very often. There are a lot of things that I think I look at Apple's lineup and I know that that's not selling very well.

But it still exists at full price in the lineup. Like AirPods Max might be an example where there's a good amount of them out there. I think people eventually bought a good amount of AirPods Max. But the current Intel Mac Pro, how many people are buying the current Intel Mac Pro? I hope it's not very many. Yeah. But they're still selling it. It's still on the site. They're still making them hope it's not very many. But they're still selling it. It's still on the site.

They're still making them. It's not discontinued. So like when I saw the original HomePod was discontinued, it's like, wow, they really had to make a call here. They were like,

we're not going to even make these anymore. So I have another theory, though. There was not a lot of HomeKit stuff out for like a very long time. And now that Matter is coming out and you're going to be able to use any smart home device with HomeKit, it basically opens up Apple's home ecosystem to a huge extent. So prior, it was like you were only really buying a HomePod if you wanted a smart speaker

that was very limited to the Apple ecosystem that could only really use Apple Music. And that was very limiting. Extremely. But now that you can use it as like an actual smart home hub kind of situation, and it can be used with basically anything that you buy that's Matter enabled, I think that they're probably maybe projecting into the future a couple of years and just being like, if we want to compete, the number one, if that have iphones are gonna like want to just be able to like use the apple thing with their smart home hub so yeah i mean if you use apple music and then you can buy

matter enabled products it kind of makes sense if you're willing to blow the money but beyond that yeah i don't really see a huge all of every single word that you said is true, but it's also true about the mini. Yeah. Yes. Which is cheaper. I do think some people are willing to spend the extra money for like the main room.

Like I would be willing, like I have a regular, well, the old Google home that was $120 in my living room versus the minis, which I can like hide in little corners of my kitchen or the bathroom or the bedroom or something like that so like if it you are using it and you do listen to a lot of music in there or something like that like for one room it's crazy that the mini is still 99 though yeah it's three times cheaper yeah

the mini is actually still kind of expensive 99 bucks is i mean it's totally expensive all the google home minis are like what 30 30 it is but it's way better sound and it's also got a like a thread radio it is yeah so i guess i'm just trying to figure out the the reason to get the the home pod over the mini right now the new home pod and it's like there's not this one sounds way better yeah it's louder take the fraction sounds way better. It's louder. So take the fraction of people who want it. I mean, yeah, louder, true. I mean, there's some fraction of people who are like,

the HomePod Mini is not good enough sounding or loud enough for me. Those people should spend the money. And then that's kind of it. They may be trying to creep up into Sonos' market share because when you go into like high quality large speakers, Sonos' market share. Because when you go into high-quality large speakers, Sonos eats smart speakers. Sonos eats everyone else's dust. That is very true, yeah.

So I have a Sonos setup, and this did seem strikingly similar to a Sonos experience for me, weirdly. Did you hear that alliteration you just did? Strikingly similar to a Sonos. It seems strikingly similar to a Sonos experience It seems strikingly similar to a Sonos experience. It seems strikingly similar to Sonos. But no, because Siri and, oh boy, here we go.

Oh boy. It has a little bit of a differentiator, but like with Sonos, you can just like use it with Google Assistant and there are things that you can do and it's a smart speaker. But if you have an Apple TV and with eARC, you can use a pair of HomePods

as your hi-fi speaker setup if you want. No sub, but it is what it is. And they'll sound pretty good. It'll still be Atmos surround sound support, and that's cool. And plus the benefit of being a smart home controller and all this other stuff that Sonos doesn't do very well. So if this Sonos market is big enough,

you could consider it also sort of stepping in in that territory yeah a little bit more market share yeah because there aren't really any competitors to sonos in smart speakers the smart speaker space can you play spotify on sonos yes yes yeah i know i know yeah yeah yeah it comes down to siri being kind of tough i mean in terms of market share though i think there was a really interesting stat you posted in the video that I just want to, like, I want to just pose this to the audience and see you listed the market share of HomePods in smart speakers. At its peak.

In the U.S., right? In the U.S., yeah. So before I say, or I'm going to say the number, and then if you're listening, I just want you to think, like, do you think that's high or low? Because I'm interested to see where people go. It would have been a really fun multiple choice. I wish it could be a multiple choice beforehand,

but leave it in the comments or something. But it's 6%. So when you guys heard that, what did you first think? I think that's high. It sounded high. Okay, me too. I was like, that's high.

I think I guessed 2% or something when you asked me. That's all smart speakers at its peak? That's smart speakers in the US market share of the big HomePod. Yeah, that seems really high. That seemed incredibly high. Considering Google hides Nest Hub minis under your doormat, I don't really know how they managed to get that much market share. So then compare that now to US markets market share of iphones which is over 50 yeah that is insane

how we're thinking six percent is high for the apple related smartphone or smart speaker that generally like you like to be in an ecosystem right we talk about apple ecosystem it's so expensive for a smart speaker i'm just saying and that's what's like something is wrong here where their market share is so little when they're they have the head start of the ecosystem market share already yes but the iphone sitting across the room from you when you yell at it is the exact same experience as the home pod like you can just yell at siri and have it do anything you want other than multiple timers i mean you can do that on like a pixel as well right so that's why i'm like is the iphone's dominance in U.S. actually going to translate to

selling smart speakers? And I feel like it's not as strong of a tie. Maybe if it's headphones or other things where it's like these work best with the iPhone. So if you have an iPhone, you want to get these like AirPods rode that train for sure. But a smart speaker like the HomePod doesn't really add any value no matter what phone you use, I guess. I mean, it's worse if you don't have an iPhone, but it's like... It's terrible. It's like unusable.

It doesn't work at all. It's not a Bluetooth speaker at all. Yeah. So I guess if I see... I'm trying to think of a list of things that HomePod offers that an iPhone user doesn't already have. It's the sound quality. It's the potential hi-fi setup. And it's multiple timers

couldn't you say the same about like a pixel and google home though your pixel can like so a lot of it all the things is yeah yeah the bigger one i guess i have the one with the screen so i picture like that being super value added like seeing who's on the doorbell seeing you know the all the list of the buttons and lights you can turn on and all that stuff. It's nice, but most people don't even have that either. So it's true. I think it's pretty much- Yeah, it's just wish assistance better. It's a like, it's an extremity of like your phone

when if you're walking around your house, you can still do anything you're still asking from your phone. I think it's crazy that, and I would argue that Apple doesn't want to look at it that way. Apple does want to look at, this is our market share of everything else.

Why is our, we want that to help increase the sales of our general like home smart solutions including smart speaker not good because series sucks yeah that's what it comes down to can i throw one thing in here yeah okay so i can't find 2022 stats i can only find stats. I hope that doesn't make a huge difference. But we talked about old AirPod market share being 6%. Do you want to guess what the Sonos HomePod was 6%?

What did I say? You said AirPod. Nice. So HomePod was 6% and we're guessing Sonos market share of what? Of home smart speakers in the US specifically. I'm going to guess 4%. Home smart speakers.

So this is the same market as before. Yeah, so this includes Alexa. It includes Google Home. Or Nest Home, whatever you want to call it. Yeah. 3% to 4%. eight percent that's high yeah i'd go i'd say two damn all right well i thought everyone here was going to be like 15 to 20 percent no no it's it's nine percent oh it's nine oh yeah okay if i were apple i'd be

sad that i'm under sonos yeah that's pretty damn good that's really good like a major tech company you just said that no one no one compares to them well for in the large smart speaker space in the large smart speaker which is a tiny niche when you say large do you mean like a physically large physically large yeah yeah because like all their smart speakers are pretty big and like have really insane sound, whereas like the Google Nest Hub Mini is very tiny. It doesn't have a lot of sound.

Yeah. Echo Dot. When you said large, I thought you were talking about how they can have these really large like mesh networks set up. Because like that to me has always been like the whole selling point of Sonos. Like if you have a mansion, you can control the sound

in like 20 different rooms yeah yeah yeah no i mean physically large all right well i'll just uh i mean it's still interesting i did not think at nine percent that would be a good that would be a good i think that's crazy that arguably the biggest tech company in the u.s i wish that was not even a market share for the best company in the world in not even breaking that market share. Well, the best company in the world. In 2021. Well, they did their thing. Although I will say, was that HomePod just Big HomePod? Yeah, I think so. Okay. Because Sonos has a lot of products, and just Big HomePod hitting 6% is still pretty high.

As a single product? Yeah, as a single product. It's still pretty high. It seems so. Like, if I did a multiple choice, and I wanted to ask myself before I knew the answer, I would say, what do you think big home pod peaked at? Half a percent? One percent?

Say like three. Six percent or 12 percent? And I'd be like, half a percent for sure. Maybe one percent at best. So it's, yeah, six percent is high. Yeah. That's high. All right.

Now we have this oldest video on YouTube thing. Yeah, I have one more thing. Did you see this? No. Did you see this? What? The new oldest video on YouTube. i have one more thing did you see this no did you see this what the the new oldest youtube video on youtube i thought it was fake that's what i was gonna that's what i'm gonna this is a psa to everyone out there who saw it but i thought it was kind

of i heard about this damn it we're supposed to all know that me at the zoo is the first youtube video that's yes you at the zoo me at the zoo marquez at the zoo who's on first yeah now that's the first that's the first video i think like that's a good piece of history to know yeah this i'm gonna explain this very quickly but um last week there was a tweet going around that there was a new oldest video on youtube that got discovered and it was just called welcome to youtube exclamation exclamation it was just a picture of youtube like the youtube logo i think um and on it it said the upload date was this is on youtube's page april 5th 2005 for a little trivia here though do you guys remember when me at the zoo was uploaded i know it was 2005 april 6 2005

no it's 2005 i don't know what day sometime well okay, April 5th is the supposed hoax video. So April 25th, 2005. What is it? Who do you think you are asking trivia questions on my show? We have so many trivia questions. Also, April 23rd, 2005. Was it really? I thought it was the 25th because it's my birthday.

Misinformation. So apparently what happened in this whole thing, when people were looking at it, is underneath the video it said uh live comments are disabled for this premiere so i guess somehow the person found some sort of bug where they could go in create an old youtube video on an old youtube account and like schedule it to 2005 somehow and then it came out in 2005 and that's funny that's i think it's kind of fun i do think it's funny that everyone was like we discovered the new like it's like archaeology

like yeah and we aged it and we found its age we carbon dated it yeah you say age but they made it look like an old video they like they made it just look like a crappy like animation or something that's well earned yeah they should leave it the only thing that i saw that gave it away is that the upload date of the video predates the creation date of the channel yeah the channel was like a few months after which is crazy because that's still a very old channel which the person who did it was like, oh, I have this 2005 YouTube channel. Or they found someone who has a really old. This totally jogged my memory.

I found out my friend's dad is a 2006 YouTuber. And has all these videos up online. Like a prolific, like big time one? Not big time. I was like, am I known? No, he's like like he put out maybe 100 videos and then stopped and it's all things of him in 2005 like i'm on the freeway don't have anything to say like that was one of my first videos actually yeah it was a lg voyager video

test and i needed a fast moving subject so i pointed out the wall the window of the car at freeway speeds and it's probably a passenger 30 second video well yeah you're not old i was too young to drive that would be awesome if you're also driving at 14 i thought no i thought this was going to be one of those bugs where i don't know if you've ever had this where you will take a photo and then you go to look at it in your gallery and it's gone and you scroll all the way to the back and it's like it's at the very top of your gallery at like 1969. Yeah, it's deep. Has that ever happened to you?

It's metadata get all messed up. Yeah. Sometimes I'll take a photo and it just goes, oh, this happened before the phone existed. Yeah. Interesting. For some reason.

I thought that's what this was going to be. But this is an interesting story. I think that person should get credit for at least tricking some people. Yeah. That's hilarious. It's kind of cool that like if they find out a bug,

they actually went through the effort of making it believable and not just like a Mr. Beast video and saying that it was the oldest video in existence. And just to wrap it up, though, YouTube says they've found the issue and fixed it already. So there will be no other ones of that. We can all fish. YouTube said, just so you know, me at the zoo will and will forever be the first video ever on YouTube. So good trivia. Don't't be tricked i can't schedule a premiere live stream of my own birth for 1993 can't do it anymore youtube fixed it well we're gonna head to an ad break in a second but of course as we typically do as tradition on this show we will have a trivia question with the answer at the end of the podcast yeah end of end of the podcast. So, all right.

So new HomePod just dropped. Hope you copped. No. Or not. I don't care. It has the S7 chip inside. Sure does. The original HomePod mini that came out in 2020 had the S5 chip inside.

Super powerful chip. According to Apple, how many times per second does the HomePod mini EQ itself in real time? Apple would quote some crazy numbers for that. I analyze the room I'm in a thousand times every second. And if a pillow on your couch moves, I will change the EQ settings to match. Accurate. That's a random guess. I really wanted to guess, but then I looked at the answer.

So now you can guess for me. It's going to be a crazy number. Well, while we're all thinking about that, let's take a random guess. I really wanted to guess, but then I looked at the answer, so now... You can guess for me. It's going to be a crazy number. Well, while we're all thinking about that, let's take a quick break. Breaking news coming in from Bet365, where every nail-biting overtime win, breakaway, pick six, three-point shot, underdog win, buzzer beater, shootout, walk-off, and absolutely every play in between is amazing. From football to basketball and hockey to baseball,

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in the couple of things that are most important on a phone which is it has better cameras it has a better chip and it has better batteries that's that's a good set of small things if you're going to do a small update good things to do right so s23 and s23 plus are the same sizes of the small flat 1080p displays 6.1 and 6.6 inches phantom black cream green and lavender i do not like these colors i like the green just gonna be honest here i don't think not like these colors i like the green just gonna be honest here i don't think they're very good i like the green it's kind of a military green that's the one you're at cream and lavender are just so like safe yeah i don't know about the pastels it's been a thing for like four or five years where they just go pastels and they go you

can get neutral or near neutral how do you feel about those colors or black all right fine i'll take black it's like a neutral black too it's like a gray it's like a dark gray it is what it is um but they all have new camera sensors across the board so 50 megapixel main sensor i took a bunch of sample photos on these that when i was doing my impressions video and just sort of like clicking around seeing how it felt and they did look really good and this is like a super subjective two-hour experience that we had but uh they're claiming four times more dynamic range and improved processing. So I want to see how those look when we get them out in the real world. Larger batteries on both, 3900 and 4700.

Those are both 200 milliamp hours bigger than last year. So when you combine that with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, which appears to be much more efficient, I feel like that's a solid, you know know small couple things to upgrade on a phone super safe fine s23 ultra has sort of along the same lines uh snapdragon 8 gen 2 a big bright 1440p display a couple things that they did with this phone are it has these really flat sides now that i love it's a subtle thing but it's the shape of the phone when you hold it in your hand. It's much more square and boxy like the Note used to be. I like that a lot. And the camera sensor upgrades are also all here. It's a 200 megapixel main sensor. So it's going to be some serious binning 16 pixels into one to get a 12.5 megapixel shot. Still a 5,000 milliamp hour battery, still an S Pen in the side, still 120

Hertz, still 6.8 inches, still up to a terabyte. New selfie cameras on all these phones. And they look about the same. Same colors. It looks about the same. It looks about the same. So the price tags are also looking about the same. $799, $999, $1199. Do you need to upgrade if you have an S21 or S22? I don't think so. S21 Ultra, I would still be happy using that phone today. If you have an older phone or a different phone, this is probably the move. Now, they did this thing also,

we just finished watching the keynote, that I did not like as much, which is they're also selling the S22 for $699, and I don't think that that's a good deal. I don't think you should buy the S22 right now for $699 and I don't think that that's a good deal I don't think you should buy the S22 right now for $699 considering there's other phones in the pipeline for that price you can get a Pixel 7 today for $599 I don't think that that's the phone you should get for that money I don't know like I can't confirm this because I don't have like it but i guarantee you the s22 has been sold for cheaper than 699 at

some point in the last year like samsung does some crazy deals yeah it definitely has been cheaper than prime day black friday i'm sure i'm sure or like a two for one deal or something like that like it's on amazon right now for 439 is it referred wait is that like refurbished refurbished oh okay if you want to get a brand new one it'll still be expensive but like i know i bet you could buy brand new ones for cheaper than that at some point probably directly from samsung yeah i'd rather get an s21 ultra than an s22 right now i think the s21 ultra is one of the best holding up phones i mean we could talk about software updates and how long that's going to get software updates these are going to get

five years of security updates four years years of One UI software updates. So if you do get an older phone now, you'll sacrifice some of that. But aside from that, yeah, great cameras, great screen, great battery. That phone's really good. So, you know, it's a minor update across the board. This is kind of what we were expecting with Samsung.

My title for the impressions video was cruise control. Because, okay, I really liked Dave 2D's video on this. He did like a two and three minute video on it but he did bring up you played valorant right yes something i didn't know about valorant was when you play a bunch of different uh you play a bunch of rounds in a row with a team or whatever correct me if i'm wrong in any of this i haven't heard this analogy so i'm very excited well you play a bunch of different rounds uh you might take one round and play it as an eco round where you're just going to play and try to spend as little as possible and just get through it so play a bunch of different rounds uh you might take one round and play it as an eco round where

you're just going to play and try to spend as little as possible and just get through it so that you can make bigger upgrades to your arsenal or whatever you're fighting with the next time around and i've always thought this about video games like i've never articulated this thought but i feel like there's two types of video game players like in 2k if you're playing my career you can buy new vc and improve your player every once in a while okay and the two types of players are player one upgrades as much as he possibly can every time which is just a small bump every time or player two which is me which is play as long as you possibly can with your current player until it's basically unplayable and then use all of your

money on all of your upgrades and you're a god also me yeah yeah same here that's the move right i think i need to i hate to go on a gaming rant here but i need to like change that analogy a little bit the way you're doing it feels closer to like an mmo where you're just like i'm not going to use my skill points until i can't kill a creature anymore valorant is like super round based so essentially whether you win or lose around you get money and that round if you died you you start off with like no guns essentially so every round you have to buy guns and armor and it's like the it's first to win 13 rounds and this is counter-strike as well they're all like economy based games right where so like if you lose a round it's better to just be like

this next round is going to be a wash. It's better for me to be able to actually have my guns the next round. And then you like, you either don't spend anything or you spend to a point where you know you can buy the next round. So it's like,

it's a little different. Yeah. So yeah, I guess my connection back to smartphones is I think this is Samsung going, we want to spend as little as possible on R&D this time, and then maybe the bigger upgrade is next time. So like the bare minimum they could do is just throw the new chip in there and literally

ship the same phone with the new chip, right? So they did a couple extra things, new camera sensors, some tweaking. They still have all those people on hire. They're working on the cameras. It's a little better this year, but like this isn't a big change. We're working on some other changes. That'll come later. So here we are. They did it they they won last round yeah 2022 yeah and now they're just going to use the same guns going into this round and then maybe buy an op next round so

that's that's you understand exactly how it works yeah exactly there it is works for me gaming that might just be the review what's up gamers honestly now that we're talking about this i kind of feel like i need to jack dave's thing and talk about video games i need to talk about video games well i mean i it applies to 2k pretty heavily or like any game with skill upgrades that you can just go as long as you can with without upgrading your skill so shout out to dave 2d dave when you see my video that has video game talks in it you'll know that i was inspired by you i want to play valorant with dave now that video game talks in it, you'll know that I was inspired by you. I want to play Valorant with Dave now. That's probably the move.

It's probably really fun. That seems like about it for Samsung. Oh, one more thing. This might not even be new. I got to check the old phone. 8K video at 30 FPS, not just 24. I think that might have been in last year's phone too, but I'm just happy it's not just 24.

Isn't 4K 60 front facing camera new this year yeah you got new sensors across the board they were doing this crazy binning of like a 40 megapixel selfie camera on the ultra now it's just like a 12 or a yeah 12 megapixel front camera across the board but it will do 4k 60 it is a 12 megapixel so it can support that which is cool i mean i i think the cameras are the thing that i need to test to find out the most about whether or not that upgrade is meaningful because you got to really put in a bunch of different scenarios but like i expect snapdragon 8 gen 2 to be really good because i've used other phones with snapdragon 8 gen 2 and they're really good so here we are new year samsung stuff s23

i do want to say i think that a $200 leap from the regular one to the bigger one is kind of a lot. And I know they've always done that, and it's pretty much always been a $200 leap, but it seems like a lot. Like, just to get a bigger screen and a slightly larger battery, like $200 is a pretty significant

chunk of... A higher base storage. Yeah, true. That's a good point. For some people. I did a poll on Twitter of like, because this is what I was thinking about, what's their minimum base storage for a true that's kind of that's a good point for some people i did a poll on twitter of like what's your because i this is what i was thinking about what's their minimum base storage for a phone just buying a new phone today and about half the people said 128 and there was a drop off after that but yeah you do get 128 on the s23 yeah but you get 256 base on the s23 plus so that's really not that much then yeah okay so for people who want that that's available i will i will be testing these phones we'll be reviewing these phones stay tuned for So that's really not that much then. Yeah. Okay. So for people who want that, that's available. I will be testing these phones.

We'll be reviewing these phones. Stay tuned for the reviews. They'll be coming out. Also, the Ultra is even more boxy than last year, right? Very boxy, yeah. It's like a Note. I really like it. It kind of just looks like the Note. That's what I've always wanted.

Yeah, that's exactly what I've been hoping for. I love the Note. It's the Note without the word Note in the name. Yeah, it's the Note. It's great. It's just kind of funny to me because the Note had such an intensely loyal fan following and then they just kind of got rid of it and now they made the Note. It's the Note without the word Note in the name. Yeah, it's the Note. It's great. It's just kind of funny to me because the Note had such an intensely loyal fan following, and then they just kind of got rid of it, and now they made the Note again. But it even has the S Pen.

You know, it's like... Did the Note... Wasn't the Note slightly more expensive even? Yeah, I think it was like $12.99 or something. So they kind of shoehorned it into the S lineup so more people are able to try it? Maybe they just had too many devices. Because they've got the A line. When has that ever stopped Samsung though?

They started messing up the Note though. Remember they were adding different versions of the Note that then got worse. It used to always be the flagship versions but then the Note 20 had that weird one. The plastic one. That was a shame. There's one more thing from the unpacked event

that i liked that's really boring but i actually thought it was a really good idea the maintenance mode did you do you remember what that was from the that little section yeah yeah it was pretty much like you can turn your phone into maintenance mode when you're going to be giving your phone to like a carrier or somebody working on it to try and fix something for you and essentially locks all your personal stuff like photos contacts text messages so i mean we've heard these horror stories of putting your phone in to get fixed and then people are like distributing pictures or looking through your photo albums or stuff it's just like this one little step of security that you add a pin to and now all of your stuff is safe and somebody can fix it without being a creep which is nice to know as someone that worked best buy mobile for many years that is a genius

idea it bro it just like people will give you their stuff and like be like oh there's something wrong with my gallery app look and just show you all their pictures and like i've seen some stuff and it's like i didn't need to see that sounds like their fault this is more yeah it's like but yeah but i'm appreciative of that as the employee like i don't want to see that either yeah please do not let me see that yeah yeah in the app they were like or in the presentation they were like you can hide sensitive apps like banking apps and i was like we know what you mean you can just say it so yeah it'll show up as like a fresh phone with no apps basically which is good well or and just the the apps that are like or whatever default on the phone like settings and stuff like that i mean even if you're just like

letting a stranger borrow your phone to like make a phone call or something i feel like that's good there are honestly points in this like in our environment right here where we're probably shooting the phone where if you're testing that's 23 maybe you should probably put it in maintenance mode just so like all of your text messages aren't coming in but you're also mostly the one shooting stuff but let's go airplane mode airplane mode true do not disturb something like that either way it's good i mean we'll find out if it's really good but it looks like it's pretty solid update from samsung so check out the impressions video if you haven't already that'll be up and i think that's it for samsung can i say one more thing yes go for it this is funny.

Just because this, Hiroshi just responded to me on Twitter and I want to like, the whole unpacked event, he was wearing a watch that I couldn't figure out. It was a, I was like,

that looks like a Watch 5 Pro, except, well, first I said, that's not a Pixel watch. It's definitely too big. He's Android, so whatever. He's at a Samsung event.

I understand wearing a Samsung watch. It looked like a Watch 5 Pro, but it was silver. But as as far as i know they don't make that can someone like like i'm i've looked multiple times i cannot find a silver watch 5 pro he gave a titanium silver so here's what he said that's what he said i he there's a picture of him at the event and i just responded and tagged him underneath and he somehow saw it and I was like is that a silver watch 5 pro and he said yep it's a watch 5 pro in grey titanium but as far as I know that doesn't exist

did he leak? I see it kill all of this I'm leaving it in it looks good I was just scrolling on twitter too and I just got to a hot take from Saradichi that I fully agree with. I'm just going to read it

and see if people agree with it too. Zoom lenses feel like they're for work and prime lenses feel like they're for fun. Every time you shoot video and you look at video tips on how to improve your video, they always go shoot prime, they'll always be sharper. And then I go, okay, yeah, shoot prime. It'll always be sharper and then i go okay yeah shoot

prime it'll always look better and be sharper and then i shoot prime for like one video project and i get so annoyed with switching lenses yeah that i go back to the zoom because for actual work where you're changing focal lengths all the time and you're doing constant stuff with the cameras it's nothing beats a good zoom yeah but for fun you know throw out throw on a prime shoot some stuff i think it's too focused on like what you're doing for fun interesting i'm like looking at i'm i want to go on vacation this summer and i want to go to the tetons because there's a bunch of wildlife there and i'm looking at this sony 300 to 600 millimeter meter lens but i'm not gonna bring

up prime lenses to try and shoot wildlife i guess trying to shoot wildlife is one thing i think if you're like a you're a photographer for fun and you're like oh it's gonna be a nice sunset tonight i'm gonna go out with my 16 mil and get some big dramatic cityscapes or something that's like for fun you know yeah i'm not saying it's not for fun, but I feel like there are fun scenarios where like having the variability of a zoom lens is probably pretty useful. Zoom lens is for life.

I'm on team zoom lenses for sure. As some people would say. You should ratio Saruman. Use your feet to zoom. Dang. Well, true up to a point. With wildlife photography, you're actually not supposed to.

You can only zoom out far enough. Also also i immediately imagined putting your feet on the lens and i did not understand what you were talking about so you should definitely not do that for wildlife photography oh look a grizzly bear let me just walk closer i'm gonna use my 11 million open ai announces chat gptT Plus for $20 a month. Yeah. For those who want to talk to AI and don't want to wait for faster responses, I might be in. I use it a lot.

I mean, it's down all the time, but I might be in. I think they're artificially putting it down. I'm not going to lie. Oh, interesting. Oh. Wow. That might be, I don't know. Because it's down all the time. It really is don't know because it's down all the time it

really is and they'd only started going down all the time like a week ago and then they mysteriously released this like pro version that's never down and got bought by microsoft yeah i mean it does feel like this company with billions of dollars should be able to keep this chat bot up all the time especially since they're using azure right and they can just scale that but i don't i don't know you want to think about that? Microsoft, is Azure notoriously good? Yeah, just being like, no, they're using Microsoft services. They should never go down.

Yeah, but it's scalable. It's like AWS. Theoretically, it should be reliable. The more traffic it gets, the more it'll spin up. Yeah. More hardware. But OpenAI's chatbot always seems to be down. And I find myself trying to use it all the time. And now that it's, like, now that I look back and we're

just at the beginning of February and I look back at how many times I tried to use it in January, I would have paid $20 for all of those to have been, like, uninterrupted. So maybe if I keep using it at this rate, I will be in. This is where we very quickly start to get into the weird copyright stuff that we haven't yet had to deal with because,

like, when when they're charging for another force on the internet yeah because previously it was just that like open sourced foundation that was like just giving it away and yeah now they're charging that's a really good point yeah interesting yeah Dolly I think is a worse problem because

art that's scraped from the internet whereas this is just words and words are just words you know you're creating heat maps based on tell that to singer songwriters songwriters get all the money gets taylor swift in the room she'll shut it all down i feel like singer songwriters don't get all the money isn't that like the big problem with the music industry if you wrote the song you get like 50 the singer gets like 7% or something crazy. But if you're the writer, you get a lot of money.

If I didn't have to do any work and I could just sing a song, I'd probably be fine with 7%. Some would argue it's a lot of work. To sing a song? The singers would argue that. I could do it right now. Yeah, but then...

Whopper, whopper, whopper, whopper. 7% for you, but I wrote that song, so I should get banked. Yeah, I mean, I'd give you 50% if you wrote the Whopper song we've never needed a trivia question I hope the guy who wrote this song

is getting paid there it is did you write that Ellis? who did write that? someone who submits music to epidemic sound so they are probably getting paid. They are getting paid. Yeah. A typical LCD screen has a white backlight.

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Over or under hyped, over hyped or under hyped. Let us know in the comments which one you think works better. If we even keep this, I don't know, maybe we never do this again because it bombs. Hyped or wiped. The way this works is I'm going... That's not bad. That isn't bad. Okay. I okay i'm gonna say something it has to do with tech uh wait let me double check yeah they all have to do with tech thank you love that they all except one that i'm deleting now so they all have to do with tech goji berries i'm gonna say something has to do with tech you guys have to tell me if it's overhyped or underhyped i will give you each one perfectly hyped i like that you get one perfectly hyped so it's like it's not over it's not i don't know or if it's like offensive it's like i'm just gonna

say perfectly it's clear of this one okay all. All right. Number one, coming in hot, Johnny Ive. Huh. Current Johnny Ive? No, no, no. Just like in general. Because when you, it's like naming an NBA player and saying, are they over or under hyped? It's like, well, their career or their current status.

Yeah. So current Johnny Ive to me is overhyped would a clown nose have anything to do with this yes we just saw this headline of uh yeah luckily there was no price tag i was equating it's supreme it's for charity before you guys okay good tool on this i appreciate that but yeah there was like a headline of like johnny i've designed a clown nose and it's like why is this even an article i don't know i don't it's cool but like whatever yeah that's a current but i mean we did see a long history of his career designing things at apple which had some really good products and then they slowly descended into minimal madness and some might argue he ruined the macbook pro so like i think it's safe to say johnny i overhyped. I probably agree with O.

It's so weird because in our community, we all know who Johnny Ive is and talk about him all the time, but if you mention Johnny Ive to anybody, like if you mention Johnny Ive to your parents, they're not going to have any idea who you're talking about. So we are talking about current Johnny Ive, right? That's how I define him.

He designed that iMac G3 with the colorful iMac G3. He designed the iPod, the iPhone, the Apple Watch. I mean, he's got a great portfolio. The resume is crazy. The resume goes hard, but current? Yeah, he did wreck the MacBook Pro for sure. Yeah. There was a point in which the form transcended the function.

He needed Apple Silicon to make his vision come to life did he make the magic mouse oh that's that's pivotal he did make the hockey puck yeah i just saw that on your screen i think all apple mice are notoriously like terrible minimal and bad yeah they're all bad so i would say yeah his mice probably aren't the best doesn't look like he did the magic mouse but he might have done some other terrible things. Maybe he needs to go to veterinary school. He has one, yes. I'm sticking with over.

Yeah. I'm probably going to go over. Although. I would say over. He's a great speaker though. Malcolm Owen magic mouse too. Aluminium. Wow, way to put him on blast.

Sorry. I'm catching strays over here. Also, Ellis thought that it was Johnny Ives. Oh, no, just Ives. Ivey. Nice minimal name, too. Your battery life is gone. Johnny without the H.

He's the ultimate minimalist, isn't he? Truly. Super minimal. But not Johnny Ive account on Twitter. That's a quality account. Chef's kiss. Fantastic account. All right.

I think we're all. Please remove your headset. Did you also over? I would say. Fantastic account. All right. I think we're all. Please remove your headset. Did you also over? I would say over. Yeah. All right. Unanimous over. It's over.

Yeah. Number two. Foldable pixel phone. Oh, okay. I thought you were going to say foldables in general and I was going to be torn. Foldable pixel doesn't exist yet. We get one hyped.

No, no. You get one appropriately hyped but that's bold because we don't even know what it looks like yeah um we don't know hard we don't know much about it but we kind of have this uh over leading interesting but your parents don't know because you were just saying no your parents don't know about johnny ive your parents probably wouldn't know about a foldable pixel rumor either right definitely not my parents definitely don't i think the scale of those i'm gonna i'm gonna just like put this in the like in our tech community right now okay it feels just like

we're just talking about the folding pixel because it's the new pixel that folds and we wanted to talk about the new every company that folds and pixels up next and it's overhyped and i don't think it's if the folding pixel drops they hypothetically will have beaten apple to the foldables product category too which is like everybody i'm excited for it but i think it's overhyped yeah it's gonna be their first gen foldable too which has just not done well for anybody yet i'm gonna use my one single appropriately hyped interesting you're using it this early that's early too that is early I have like 13 more lines

we have like 50 of these I'm gonna go regret I fundamentally I will not be able to correctly answer until it comes out but since we're answering now I'll say overhyped alright next question

this one's a little whimsy standing dust overhyped underhyped or perfectly hyped overhyped sorry overhyped because like when i use it when i use it it's like uh but i never use it i was gonna say i can't remember the last time i saw you standing at you yeah that's a good point thanks for calling me marquez every hour 10 minutes before the hour will just mysteriously rise this is what marquez does his desk's right he doesn't rise every time his apple watch gives him a notification i stand time to stand there is a beautiful seven seconds where you're posed like the thriller music video

this made me think they should have a sit stand desk oh that's a good question though are we talking about sit stand or are we just talking about standing uh i'll do sit stand both okay sit stands are incredible they should have one that you can set, like it will stand during your work hour, X amount of days and like, or X amount of hours in a day. Therefore it kind of forces you to stand up. Yeah.

Cause like I love, I love to stand, but like I'm lazy and a lot of times I sit and if I've, I try to stand more often. I think they're great though. I also love to stand. I just, I don I try to stand more often. I think they're great though. I also love to stand. I just need to stand.

I love to sit. I should use mine more. I don't know what the hype level is of standing desks so it's hard to evaluate if it's over or under. I think there's so many people. There's like fitness influencers who think this is like life changing kind of stuff. Do they think that or are they just telling you that? there's a fair amount of sitting down will kill you on the

internet so i think i'm gonna go with overhyped despite my love for my standing desk and i do believe it's a really good thing to have i think it might be overhyped as someone with miserable posture sitting bad did you know that sitting's bad this is a sit stand desk did you know that i didn't know that. Yeah, but please don't do it. Don't do it. I don't think we wired it. I don't think we wired it.

Technically, sitting down will kill you faster because you are closer to the center of the earth, which means that time moves faster. Technically, sitting down will kill you because eventually you'll run out of food, and if you don't stand up, you can't get more. That's why there's wheels on my chair. Go full Wally.

Touche. I don't think I over under. I almost want to say correctly hikes. Oh, you're using it on the sit stand desk. Wow. They got 50 more questions, dude. I'm going to say under hikes. I don't think enough people are willing to pull the trigger on it,

even though they are very useful. I told you the price tag of a sit-stand desk. That's the problem. That's the problem. But there's a lot more options coming out. There's like the IKEA crank desk, which is way cheaper. They have some things that are desk toppers that you can split up. If you owned a crank desk,

would you ever do this for 35 seconds to stand up for a little bit? I don't think anyone would do it. If it's $400 less. Think about the rings you'd be closing. I was just going to say. Yeah, I would just walk around at that point. Cranking your desk is going to be worse than, or better for you than standing at that point, right?

Yeah, we got to get into the level of friction of making people stand up versus putting in the effort to stand. You know people used to have to crank their car windows. Oh yeah, absolutely. But you know why we don't do that anymore? Because that's terrible. Dude, that was always fun i think my dad right now has a has a sort of a mechanism where there's a platform on his desk that extends up so the desk stays so you don't have to buy a six thousand dollar desk but you can pop up like your laptop and your mouse and keyboard a little bit yeah so

you can stand use it put it down whenever. Appropriately hyped or are you going to? I went under. Under? Okay. I like what Brandon does where he has the tall desk that doesn't move, but he has a stool. A stool. That's also stand. Because then he can just stand up whenever he wants. Wait, now he has both.

Really? Now he has a sit-stand desk that sits, that stands most of the time with a stool seat. Oh, wow. It's an interesting scenario. What's the point of that if his stool can't go down there is no point of it dropping down i don't think his desk will ever drop down oh he just wanted a bigger desk anyways next question all right all right this next one

you can either do the word itself or the concept of nit. Overhyped. A thousand percent. Overhyped. Overhyped. Unanimous. Easy. All right, then what about this one? Night mode. The concept, I mean, night mode is a good feature, but is it hyped?

The smartphone companies will try to hype it. Exactly. So they all have night mode at this point with various names like night sight or nightography or low light mode or whatever what does Apple call theirs? I think it's low light mode oh night sight?

no night sight is pixel I think they're useful and the fact that you know what I'm going to go the fact that you can have a little tiny computer in your hands where you can hold something in place with optical image stabilization and it will take a bunch of exposures and compensate them all into one multi-frame image is underhyped yeah i can i can agree with that because like it's something that's pretty spectacular but now we're expecting it in

literally every single frame like we just expect it at this point standard it's amazing i will say when the pixel two or three one of the two the two had the was it the legendary the first night mode though i don't remember night night night sight was that the three night sight took a little longer was it the four i don't know what when the pixel first did it the three i thought so yeah three it was like incredible and then when the p30 came out and it could just completely see in the dark and everyone was like, what is going on? Yeah, I remember doing some test shots and I just like went in the robot room, closed all the doors and the lights and everything,

shut the shades and took a picture of the robot. And then the photo was like, oh yeah, the lights are on, it's fine. We can see everything. With the P30? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was like in Morocco in a completely dark room

in the shed and I couldn't see anything. Morocco and in a completely dark room in the shed. Yeah. And I couldn't see anything. And I took a photo. That's the most David sentence. That's so David. Yeah. I took a photo and it was like, there's literally no light in this room. I cannot see a single thing.

And yet the phone just like sees everything. It was crazy. I would say underrated. Up next. Wi-fi 6e uh so i was oh sorry i was i was leaning towards overrated but now that i think about it it's really just a footnote at everyone's presentation like it's not really hyped it just is everywhere and you're like i would actually

say that wi-fi 67 is a bigger jump than wi-fi 6 to 60 i haven't seen as much hype for it either about seven yeah the cool thing about seven is that it creates a dedicated smart home accessories channel that all of your smart home stuff attaches to so that it doesn't start doing that like mix between uh five gigahertz and 2.4 and messing everything up. This is what happens every time this is such an in the weeds thing, but like every time Eero updates their routers, they like add features to the old routers to build those features into older versions of Wi-Fi. So my older Eero router has a separate channel for IoT. Oh.

And it's like a 2.4 gigahertz channel that you connect your doorbell and smart accessories to. Yeah. And then, yeah, you hear like, oh, yeah, Wi-Fi 7 is just going to have like that built in. It's like, okay, sure. I'm going with appropriately hyped. Wi-Fi 6E is appropriately hyped

so you've all used your appropriately hyped I have not used my appropriately hyped you didn't use it? you switched it to under I can't 6E it's like if you're min-maxing it's overhyped

7 is pretty dope though I think 7 is underhyped next question chat GPT overhyped for sure yeah seven is pretty dope though i think seven's underhyped all right just saying next question chat gpt wow overhyped under or perfectly wow i feel like you need to gauge the amount of hype that's behind it very high it just made billion or i'm gonna say a billion right i'm gonna say overhyped because even though it is like an incredibly transformative technology its limitations are being shown pretty hardcore now that people have used it a lot and it still has really basic problems once you understand like how it's

actually doing the inferences like it can't do math like at all you've sold me yeah yeah if you were if people still talk about it every day right if you were to have said like AI that would have

been tougher but chat GPT specifically as a as a sort of a figurehead for AI like AI is clearly a very important thing for

the future but chat GPT specifically is a little bit worse than people make it out to be so I'd say it's overhyped

chat GPT is getting all of the hype for AI. Therefore, ChatGPT is overhyped. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's the next one?

Ellis is just staring longingly at me. He was like... He says, David ML. Yeah. Why don't we do... That's what I've been saving my perfectly i appreciate that let's do this one next super minimal desk setups overhyped over so overhyped overhyped yeah good yes extremely i agree that's why i have my desk the way i have it yeah if you saw david

and i's desk if you saw david and i's desk he's like that's why i never take anything off my desk i think the super minimal ones like clearly uh form over function yeah so yeah overhyped yeah all right next but you still gotta close some tabs that's why i downloaded arc david we're here for you thanks stories just in general yeah like snapchat stories instagram stories telling you stories i think the stories feature is was at the time like the most transformative social media feature for like three to four years because everyone added it and everyone used it it's the one it's like the the one feature that facebook just blatantly stole that immediately everyone started using more than the main function of Instagram. Yeah.

I was going to go with underhyped. But then you see that like, no, it is underhyped a little bit. It used to be overhyped when there was like YouTube stories and LinkedIn stories. And we're about to see like Excel stories or something. Slack stories. At this point now, I think it's died down enough and we don't realize just how ubiquitous stories actually are. There is basically no hype for stories, but it's kind of amazing.

And it's like, yeah, that's a primary feed for a lot of people. It's like 70% of my like, it sounded so much like, but like, yeah, most of my use in Instagram is just stories and i'll usually close it so probably under i'd say under but i agree there was an overhyped phase of when like youtube was trying to add it and linkedin was trying to add it everywhere it's like with clubhouse like clubhouse was super overhyped. That was a quick answer. Right now, I agree.

I think that AirTags are the cheapest, most useful... Apple product? Apple product, yeah. Or just product category. Look, I know that Tiles existed. We made a whole video around this. But just the fact that every single apple device is a beacon for finding your thing makes it like one of the most useful products you can possibly own and it's 30 well us in the u.s totally totally underhyped in the u.s because there are just so many more

beacons for it yeah it's crazy it's so much better than tile because of that when evaluating the level of hype are you guys seeing all these stories about like this airline lost my luggage and then i just found it with an air tag it's like pretty constant but i is a good thing like a good level of hype for it i think a lot of my normie friends see one of my air tags and like what's that and i'm like oh it's an air tag and i'm like what's that and the fact that they are normies so they obviously know what most apple stuff is but they don't know what an air tag is makes me think that it's underhyped i feel like everyone who has an iphone should have at least two air tags and that's not true i think that's like a i don't have an iphone and i think that's a pretty i feel like that should one for the it seems so where do you put the two obvious keys

if you have keys i guess and then like backpack or your car yeah you can put it on your car so your car doesn't get stolen I don't know there's a lot of things camera I own basically I mean your car will still get stolen but you'll know exactly where it is that could actually be very helpful though so I have a friend that put in his bike and his bike got stolen and he literally sent the police to the dude's home and he had to give it back

nice underhyped also if hypothetically if you have, if you have hype, if you have a device. That's the name of the segment. Hypothetically. Hypothetically speaking. There we go.

That's good. That was the wrong sound. Leave it. Dang. I like that. Okay. All right. This is not a joke.

Hypothetically, I keep being like, because I don't have any AirTags, but I am an Apple product user. I keep being like, oh, yeah, I should get an AirTag so I can put it on my iPad. Oh, yeah. You have to already have it. It is an AirTag. Yeah.

All right. How are you guys feeling? You want to do one or two more of these? I still need to use my Perfectly Haze. Yeah. So now that I know there's only two of them. Let's go until Andrew uses his Perfectly Haze. You're too polemical.

Are you ready? Just keep going. Yeah. Keep sailing. All right. Surround sound. Over. Over. Over. now that I know there's only Andrew uses his perfectly keep sailing all right surround sound over over over easy keep going over hyped really yeah we were all kids when surround sound was being super hyped and I

even remember how annoyed I was at how much they were hyping it even though I was a freaking child all you need is a good stereo mix yeah that's it it doesn't that's all it's not a big deal it's crazy okay anyway so two more that didn't count smartwatches not smart water water bottles underhyped so smart watches right now I use my perfectly hyped so I think I have to go with underhyped just because of how fast the Apple watch became the most popular

single watch on planet earth I don't think a lot of people know just how popular these watches are and of course every other company is trying to like replicate that success and make a really good competitor. And that's like getting hyped. But I just I can't say overhyped. I think it's underhyped a little bit.

I would also say probably underhyped because I don't see a ton of smartwatches in the wild all the time. Like I see a decent amount, but like not i see a lot of analog watches still i mean i wear one but like the the price like the price to value that you can get from a smart watch is pretty insane like the amount of metrics and tracking you can do it's pretty insane i would say i see them all the time but i just like feel like i don't people see people asking about them or talking about them as much so like i feel like there isn't people see people asking about them or talking about them as much so like i feel like there isn't a lot of hype level there so i think under hyped but they

seem insanely popular there's so many good things about them yeah it's the most popular watch on earth yeah well you're talking about i mean all smart watches but yeah you watch nerds do you know is the seiko 5 the second most popular watch on earth um i don't think so actually it's very popular but i don't think it's like the second most popular it's the casio yeah it might be the casio calculator watch yeah yeah interesting yeah under under next one Roomba Roomba the product the vacuum the company yeah I mean are you referring to like the musical style no no no no I mean well the company's iRobot so Roomba is the product actually the company is Amazon now Amazon bought iRobot yeah let's let's let's try it like actually robot vacuum disambiguated okay you know like uh let's include the samsung vacuums and you know it's a robot vacuums robot vacuums

over under hyped under hyped they're awesome i will say my i was never into them like i was always like why would you want that and And then my friends have a Samsung one that you can get an app on your phone and drive it around like a remote control car. And I was like, all right, now I want it. That's all I need. Well, Astro Bot's better for that. But it doesn't clean things.

It doesn't clean things. No, it's honestly like, I love my Roomba. It's fantastic. I also love being like, Claire, I'm going to vacuum the living room. And then I just like open my phone and press the button in front of her. And then it's like,

all right, done with cleaning. Play Valorant. Yeah, play Valorant. My floors are bowed about 17 degrees and they kind of do this. And so I don't think a Roomba would work. It's that bowed? I feel like a Roomba can still handle it.

I trip just walking around in my apartment oh i live in the oldest building in greenpoint so it's pretty bowed in the basement the cellar so you're going over what's your address no i i i'm saying i couldn't tell you because i don't really know you have to have flat floors to like really appreciate a robot vacuum i think there's a lot of things you have to have to really appreciate a robot vacuum like there's some people who would just not have any use for it and then there's some people who are like i have a kid i have dog hair i have like a flat with dog hair it's so nice because like i don't always feel like vacuuming but if it can at least do like a quick once a run with mac just shedding like crazy like twice a week is so nice robot mops oh yeah well we had one in the studio for a little bit yeah

yeah and those actually work pretty well those i like that yeah i'm leaning underhyped actually yeah under right they're just kind of expensive, though. They are. Aren't they like $450? A lot of them are very expensive, and that might mean that there is less hype for them because people don't want to spend $400 on a vacuum, but they're pretty solid. I finally bought a Dyson this weekend. Love.

Can we go next? Can we go Dyson next? Yeah, let's do it. Dude, my V10 Animal is an animal, bro. It is $100 off at Costco right now. Yeah. That's why I bought it. Worth it.

Underheight. Still 400 bucks, but. Which one do you have? It was the V10 Animal. Dude, and they all have awesome names. Like, I don't think this is one that's like the V16 Jackal. Wait, was it not called Animal

just because it's got animal hair? I thought it had like animal attached to it. No, it has an attachment. I know, but all of them are like the Hellboy. Like, they dice yeah and they're hyped but i i don't think they're overhyped no i might say dysons are can i use my perfectly hyped on one that you guys didn't even put because the dyson might be perfectly hyped yeah sure i mean they offered to do a sponsorship for us we

didn't take it and then you just bought bought it anyways because of how much you love it. And then I went, oh, this is really great. The V15 Absolute. Oh, yeah, I guess I was wrong. There's one called the Cyclone, but I assume they got crazier from there and they just don't. The OmniGlide Plus. Bummer. All right, edit that out.

I guess it is called Animal because it cleans. It has an animal attachment. It's like the S wedge animal attachment, which I don't understand why that is. Guess I bought the wrong one. Get out of here and clean, you dumb animal. Time for a dog. They will be perfectly hyped until they try to release that Dyson car,

and then we'll have to reevaluate. All right. Next question. Yeah. Portrait mode. Overhyped. Overhyped. i would go almost useless at this point with how big sensors are on smartphones you know why it's overhyped yeah sorry i was just gonna say most photos at this point on the regular camera have depth of field and therefore have a better than the crappy portrait mode blur yeah i'll still i'll i'll agree yeah it was a feature that was

developed to for a particular moment in time tried to solve a problem that was only going to be a problem for a couple of years and they spent every year up until it became obsolete trying to make it better and they still never got it perfect yeah i bet if we put a regular pixel photo in this blind smartphone test it would have crushed everybody. People would have thought it's portrait mode. People would have thought it was portrait mode and then thought it was the best cutout out of all of them and the best fall off and everything.

A lot of zoomers will say like, oh, can you portrait mode that? When they literally just mean like take a normal DSLR photo. Wow, okay, boomer. Yeah, like they don't realize that on actual cameras it just has depth of field. So they ask you to use portrait mode. They're just like, bokeh is just

portrait mode? Yeah, bokeh is just portrait mode to them. It's just portrait mode. Cool. Ellis? Appropriately. I want to make my last one really spicy. Get some Cholula in here yeah

underhyped 15% of my diet is Cholula honestly Cholula? I think underhyped wait is that the next one? sure it is now under

I'd never had Cholula until I came to this office and it's like changed my life there's a chalula bottle in every kedoba what's a kedoba i'm so proud of you for under hyped like what what is under i love being from california what is it what is a kedoba it's not that popular it's just like chipotle but worse really it's chipotle but the queso is orange well it also had it had queso before chipotle had queso that's true and chipotle's queso sucks yeah okay so can we move on none of the chipotle competitors will ever ever be as good as chipotle because chipotle is popular and therefore all of the stuff in the lineup will be fresher versus panchero's mose you can make the same argument

about apple we're trying to see the connection here think about it clear plastic on tech products what like a clear oh you mean like ripping it off no peeling like peeling it off like both classic tech products such as the imac g3 or contemporary tech products such as yeah such as nothing i haven't i hate to say this is glass overhyped because it's run on pure nostalgia at this point and i think we all want to have the old nintendo purple game boy on our new phone but if it actually came out you probably wouldn't buy that unless you were unless there's a product that you're okay with being nostalgic about the thing about nostalgia is that it only lasts until it's tacky like the 80s was an incredible... When Stranger Things came out,

everyone was like, whoa, 80s! And now it's starting to get to the point where everyone's like, I'm so freaking tired of this 80s shit. Now 90s is what's coming back, even though I think it's even tackier. So I will say, the Nothing Phone is clear glass,

and there isn't a lot of clear plastic in today's tech. I think it's mostly glass at this point the ear ones are plastic there's one device oh interesting that i also think might have been one of the prettiest tech products of 2022 which was the shargeek uh batteries oh yeah that have those that is clear things plastic as well they're beautiful. They're really beautifully designed. Man, they're swaying me. I was going to go over with Andrew, but I love those Chargeek batteries, man. Me too, right?

Yeah, see? And that's, is that nostalgia or is that just kind of like geeky? No, that's not nostalgia. That's very different. It's just geeky. Because it's like Star Trek, yeah. Designer-y thing. All right, I'm going under.

I'm going under hyped. Under hyped? Yeah. More transparent. I'm going to say over because I under hyped i'll just stay more transparent i'm gonna say over because i will be correct in like three years as is the way of things playing strategy playing all right last question okay it's a big one a wee boy macbook pros underhyped underhyped underhyped i don't even use it and And I know how incredible the Apple Silicon stuff is. Everyone knows about it.

Over hyped? Question mark? Because most people don't need it. But for the people who do need it, under hyped. Never mind. You said MacBook Pros, didn't you? Yeah. Over hyped.

Just kidding. Whoa. MacBooks and like Apple Silicon MacBooks. Under hyped. MacBook Pro over hypedped why the distinction because i think apple silicon for just everyday laptop use and efficiency and power consumption is incredible and literally anyone who wants a laptop should use that and they can probably as a non-pro handle a lot of the stuff that people buying pro stuff oh so you're on the same page

yeah yeah sorry i i the pros are more than most people need. Exactly. Yeah. But for the people who need them, really good. I just desperately want people to start making ARM-based stuff and actually caring about it.

That's not just Apple because Apple is the only one. It's coming. Chicken and the egg. Windows on ARM is still so bad. Yeah. You know, the Snapbooks are still so bad.

You know, like the Surface X that came out that one time? That they just gave up on. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was it. That was our, hypothetically speaking,

I love that name. segment. That's a great title. I like it. It's such a good idea. I'm glad we have a title now. I think we got to bring it back now that we have a good name. Yeah.

But yeah, that was it. A lot of fun, random stuff this week, along with the gadgets, which, of course, we could get into the weeds about A lot of fun, random stuff this week, along with the gadgets, which of course we could get into the weeds about them. That's why we have a podcast as we talk for 30 minutes on why the HomePod 2 is slightly different from the first one. Either way, thanks for listening.

Thanks for watching. Thanks for subscribing. Catch you guys in the next one. I think Mark has forgot. Everyone forgot we had trivia. The listener probably forgot we still had trivia oh yeah all right so the first question hello elise was according to apple how many times per second does the homepod mini eq itself in real time released in 2020 with the S5 chip. You said per second?

Per second. How many times per second? Because it can do the whole computational audio thing where it listens to itself and adjust the music and all that stuff in real time. How many times per second? If it does it fast enough, does it start having quantum properties?

That was the perfect ending, so i don't know sure what flip them boys i said two thousand times per second one thousand ten thousand yeah nice andrew was closest so i'll give him the point oh 180 times per second you guys way overthought it. I was going to say 1,000 seems like a lot, but what did you say? 1,000. That was the lowest. What were the AirPods 2? The Pro 2. Ellis would know this. Those are 48,000 times a second.

See, this is what I'm saying. This is why I guessed 10. 181 is like... No, no, no. But that's not for the EQ. That's for adaptive transparency. But it's still sampling sound. I see. Yeah, I guess it just doesn't need to do EQ that many times per second.

It's not like your room is rapidly changing 100 times per second. Of course, with adaptive transparency, it makes sense to be quick. Yeah. Most of human hearing happens faster than 180 times a second. I would hope so. A typical LCD screen has a white backlight. What color is the backlight on a QLED display?

Watch this just be white. It's not. I know. Oh, thanks. It's not a trick question. I'm supposed to know this. How many briefings have you sat through where they talk about this? Exactly. I'm supposed to know this. How many briefings have you sat through where they talk about this? Exactly. I watched like

a 40 minute Linus Tech Tips video on quantum dot LED displays and I do not remember because I don't retain information. Same. Nice. Flip them and read. I don't know know i'm trying to think of the reason

i said yellow because i couldn't think fast enough i did write white and then oh i said it's not white so i erased it and i wrote magenta i wrote blue let's go baby i apparently do retain why is it a blue backlight david because it gets filtered through quantum filters that it's actually it's pretty cool so when you start with a white light and you need to filter out different frequencies to get to red, green, blue. You have to filter out quite a lot of the light to get those primary colors, right? But when you start with a blue light. Oh, you can filter to the other colors.

You can just slow that down to red or to red and then green or green, I forget the exact. Green and red. Yeah. So you lose way less light energy in setting the color that's actually really cool isn't that cool why don't they just do that for everything because it you need so that's where the quantum properties of the actual dots come in because it's one thing to just filter out a bunch of wavelengths of light it's another thing to like shift wavelengths of light yeah just slowing it down a little bit. So update underscore, Marquez with six,

Andrew with four, David with six. Well, now I can finally outro the pod. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Thanks for subscribing. Thanks for rating us wherever you listen. We appreciate you. Do you think that we're rated?

I think we're appropriately rated. Appropriately rated. But for the purpose of this, I'll go underhyped. Underhyped. and let's fix that okay well see you guys in the next one peace give us five stars Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven we are partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network

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