Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Going Independent on YouTube with Becca Farsace!

Episode Date: October 29, 2024

It's time for a bonus episode! This month, we caught up with Becca Farsace to talk about her leaving traditional media to become an independent YouTube creator. We ask her about what it's like to be starting a channel in 2024 and also how she thinks about everything from thumbnails to short form content. We learned a lot chatting with her and we hope you do too! Enjoy. Links: Becca's channel: https://www.youtube.com/@BeccaFarsace   Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/BeccaFarsace Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/becca.farsace Music provided by Epidemic Sound  Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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with her own YouTube channel. David and I didn't get to ask like a elevator pitch type question, like how she would describe her channel. So I'll do my best now, which is she does a whole little bit of everything, a little bit of camera videos, a little bit of headphone videos.

She's someone who's been in the tech world, who's done everything from go to film school to actually get in the weeds with all the gear and video editing. So we could talk about all of that for a while. So that's exactly what we did. Enjoy the episode. All right, Becca, welcome to the pod. Thanks for having me. Really good to have you. Stoked to be here. You were just telling us you use YouTube music to listen to podcasts. I do. And I'm very curious about this.

Is this your main podcast player or is this just for certain podcasts? No, it is the main one. And when a podcast isn't on it, I'm mad. That feels like it would happen a lot. Is that possible? It happens a lot. It happens a lot. I have to go to Spotify.

Is it only YouTube podcasts that are on? Kind of, I guess. Yeah. Google Play Music? Yeah. Wow. Because they got rid of Google Podcasts. Is it only YouTube podcasts that are on? Kind of, I guess, yeah. Google Play Music? Yeah. Wow, because they got rid of Google Podcasts. They did, which was sad for me. I really enjoyed that app.

It was nice and clean. It was a dedicated, okay, I'm going to do podcast stuff. Dang. Well, this bot is pretty visual, obviously, so it feels like it belongs in YouTube podcast land. But it's great to have you here because we wanted to talk about youtube stuff and obviously a bunch of other video gear stuff yeah i wanted to open with a pretty hard-hitting question it's just like just jumping

right into it and look there's no wrong answers there is a wrong answer but there's there's no wrong answers in this room um 24 or 30 fps real quick just off the top of your head okay i really i'm excited to talk about this and I'm glad that you brought it up because I'm currently, by the time this goes out, the video will be out, but I am shooting my iPhone 16 Pro video in 30. Of course, of course you are.

I'm not happy about it. Whoa, whoa. Are you doing it so that you can show the 30 FPS iPhone footage easier? Like what are you doing it for? you can show the 30 FPS iPhone footage easier? Yeah, it's just easier. All of these phones default to 30. And I'm like, you know what? Why don't I just try?

And so I'm trying. I know it doesn't maybe actually look different, but it feels different. And I'm struggling with that. It does. I am a 24 girly so i'm i know you shot a lot of 24 this is why i brought this up but i i becomes because i shoot everything 30 when i see 24 i notice it yes yeah and so i'm curious if you shoot everything 24 and when you see 30 you notice it i notice it i do okay it feels like a soap opera it's like just a

little too smooth for Made for TV. Yes. I agree with you. I originally started shooting 30. I'm sorry, Marques. But look, I, you know, if I'm like just shooting around, you know, like I'll just take out my phone, take a video. But if I know I want to watch that video later, 4K 24 on the iPhone is a special setting. And then also like when you show your friends that don't think about this stuff at all, 100% of the time, they're like, well, why does that video look so cinematic?

No, 24. Because they're so used to 30. I don't think that's what they're commenting on. 100% it is. Is it because we went to art school? Is there something there? Maybe. I think we spent a lot of time looking at footage and that might be it i think that the bigger variable for regular people looking at footage is depth of

field for some reason that hits first yeah everyone like when they see the nfl broadcast with like the f 1.8 aperture down on the field they're like this looks amazing and you're like it's wide open that's why that new panasonic point andand-shoot camera has like a, it's like a blurry mode or something. And it literally just opens the aperture. Sony does the same thing on their ZV line. Yeah. Yeah, you hit that button and... Yeah.

So how's the 30 experiment going? Could you possibly be swayed to do more 30? The video's not done yet. I can't, my experiment is not done. But I don't feel good right now it should feel great you could mix no don't do that never mind no no no yeah i'm sorry i can't do that no you can't do that i yeah i started shooting 30 because i had a really bad tripod with a really bad video head and i couldn't do a smooth enough pan. And in 24, it was way more noticeable that the pan wasn't smooth than doing it in 30 FPS.

Yeah. 30 exposes you. I mean, I don't shoot 60 for that reason. That's not the reason, but that's one of many reasons. What is the reason? 60 actually looks like too smooth to me. Yeah. It looks like phone video.

Yeah. There's so many things. Yeah. Yeah. So many rants we could go on right now. Yeah, there's so many things. Yeah. So many rants we could go on right now. Yeah, we could go deep. Yeah. Can I conclude this with a hilarious thing that's been happening to me? I can't, you know, my iPhone 12 mini, bite in the bullet or bite in the dust, it's really dying now.

And one of the weird things it started doing is defaulting to slow-mo every single time I open the camera. What? It's trying to choke the storage out. Put me out. I forget to check all the time and just start like take a video and then don't realize till after I took a slow-mo video. So, so many of the videos in my phone are at 240 FPS and are just like playing. 720p 240. It's been fun.

This might be why your friends are like, this doesn't look good. No, that's a separate thing. And all my videos are also the shakiest thing in the world because it's a 240 FPS video. Anyway. I was excited to talk to you about gear, though. Because I think we have a lot in common of

how much we love cameras and how much different gear we get to use and play with. The question I want to lob at you is, if you were building your ideal solo shooter camera, where would you take parts from? Because I have my answer, which is remarkably close to a camera that already exists. I would have the original C100.

Love. With just a better sensor in it. Just that camera with the handle ergonomics are great it had mic inputs it had all the buttons in the right places the handle was great and then the memory was fine the battery life was amazing autofocus was fast and i would just put a better i would put a 4k i put it obviously it was 1080 but i would have like a 4k sensor in there with red color or something and that would be like it for me the screen on that one i liked the screen on the mark two i think it was that flipped out um that one just flipped like the mark one funky yeah but i agree with you about buttons um handle amazing yep and i love that you could like you know ratchet

that handle back and forth um great camera autofocus was loud though. I didn't. So that's the thing about the way I grew up with cameras is I stopped using autofocus like years ago. Yeah. Probably because I fell in love with shallow depth of field and I would like shoot F one four in my little bedroom with like the 5d across the room on the 50 mil and I would just like not move. And that was it. So that's why you're so good at being focused on the podcast. Exactly. Cause I just don't move and that was it so that's why you're so good at being focused on the podcast exactly because i just don't move forward or backwards yeah so i don't use autofocus as much but i found that when i needed it the c100 could do it yeah but where would you what else would you do well that's actually a good tip because i do move back and forth a lot and i've noticed that's what i always like that's always been my i was like i, I can't predict if I'm going to do this. So F4 is like stable and it's not going to drift.

But with like Sony's autofocus, you can move a lot and the new lenses don't breathe. Like, you know, I can be anywhere. But I recently started using a Nikon and I'm still trying to dial in its autofocus settings because it definitely does not catch me. I'm using the Z6 M3. Okay. Because it's not a red. Yeah, Nikon ball. It is a red.

That's a whole thing. Yeah, it is a red. Yeah, when are they just going to put that badge on there? Have you tried using the LUT for it yet? No. You should. Yeah. Well, this is another.

I don't know if I want to expose myself in this way, but I usually just shoot stock color like standard. Yeah. Which looks great yeah yeah yeah because if i have to download a lot and just time that's time no it's a commitment yeah yeah it is a commitment it's a commitment and sometimes i commit to it yeah and it's fun because you get to play with color and like yeah have more versatility but i think the red color is amazing because the default lut just automatically if you expose it well it looks

perfect right out of the gate every time. Yeah. Yeah. What's what is perfect for you? Perfect. Oh, right. All right. The whites are really.

The whites are very white. Skin tones are incredible. Yeah. Yeah. I know a lot of people like ARRI skin tones. I've seen ARRI footage and I like it also, but red color to me just across the board from highlights to the

mid-tones to especially my skin tone i've shot a lot of other cameras and they can get other skin tones right but my skin tone for whatever reason red color does really well yeah so i've just been happy with that yeah so it's a feeling too like i feel like sometimes like color just feels good yeah um yeah yeah that's like hasselblad color to me oh my god the blues are just so don't even get me started that's so good the only thing I don't like Hasselblad color on is skin tones I know you said this to me yeah when we shot our uh we did some like a photo shoot for our merch and I feel like the color of the textiles and the texture and like everything was amazing but the skin tones were just like not great and we

had to slide them around a lot interesting yeah yeah yeah products it does well with products yeah definitely yeah but the blues in the water oh the sky I do have a question just in general though about like a video making so you've done basically every part of the video making process yeah there's the coloring but there's the editing there's all sorts of other pieces of it yeah what do you find is your favorite like aspect of bringing something from an idea to a final video do you enjoy the editing the most do you enjoy that the camera the shooting part the most yeah has that changed over the years because you've gone from working on productions where you have direction to now directing your own stuff?

Yeah. Just tell me about that. Yeah. Five years ago, it was the shooting for sure. I just loved getting into a studio, getting some nice lights up and just like being on a slider for, you know, five hours. For sure. Loved it. That kind of got old and I don't have as much of that in my videos anymore.

And I've also gotten messier with my process. Like it used to be very much like write the script, shoot the video, edit the video. And now that it's just me, I got real messy. And I like start to shoot it and then I start to edit it and then I start to write it. And I'm just kind of in this like crazy- To the single brain.

It's all up here, yeah. And it's just me. Like I don't have to explain anything to anyone and a lot of times so much of what i'm saying i want to show and but i don't know how i want to show it until i say it and then i'm like oh that's how i'm gonna show it um so it's really messy but i would say my favorite part is when i first get footage into the timeline and i'm just playing and i'm not like beholden to any script and that's like I'll start getting music in there and like it really starts to flow that's

where it builds I do feel like what you're describing where you're sort of building it in your head before it's actually being edited I've always described that as shoot for the editor write for the editor everything that I'm doing is for the editor version of me to have the easiest time possible. And as soon as there are other steps involved, you kind of have to remember, okay, I need to make sure this works for the editor later when he gets this footage, he needs to know what that means. And so yeah, having it all in your head organized is key to that. I'm not as good at that part, but I try to be. is key to that. I'm not as good at that part, but I try to be. Well, I'm assuming that when you started,

you did all parts. Now you hopefully don't do all parts. It depends on the video. Okay. Depends on the video. So there's some videos that you're still owning top to bottom. Right. Okay. What do you like better? Well, so again, it will depend on what video

that I think works best as me owning from top to bottom versus delegating parts of it. How do you know? So I'll know based on how personal this topic or this style is. So if there's a style of video that's particularly unique or it's let me try something with this video, then I will own it from top to bottom. If it's something that's not templatized as much, but just a little bit more standard, then we know that there are people who are exceptional at that who can own parts of that and make that way easier. So a review

or a explainer or something like along those lines, very much like delegatable because I can offload that part of my brain. So that's the way I think about it. But yeah, there might be a video where it's like halfway through. I'm like, like actually mariah and i are both going to edit parts of this video and bring them together at the end yeah that's happened too yeah so is there a podcast he makes the podcast every week so i don't they but yeah exactly um but is there something recently that you've tried like because i watch your videos and they seem like they're so, the style is like set. Um, but can you name something recently that like you tried something new and you did it? I would love to, I would love to do that.

Cause I think you're right about the style being very set and the shoot style makes it feel like it's all very consistent. Yeah. But yeah, but like, what are you working on? Yeah. Okay. So the last one was a review, the one before that. are you working on yeah okay so the last one was a review the one before that so the i'm taking a break video which was just a q a but where i didn't know by the end which answers i would keep

and which ones i wouldn't that one was decided in the edit where i i just did that entire video oh really yeah you answered tons of questions i answered like 50 more than i actually included in the video. That's an 18 minute video. Yeah. And I have like six more questions in the clip bin. And I'm like, my answers aren't like interesting enough to keep this video flowing. I'm not keeping that. That stuff happens mid edit.

Stuff like that. The FBI declassified story stuff. Just like a little bit outside of the typical. I think that feels more like, let me just figure this one out. And that video did feel different. FBI declassified story stuff. Just like a little bit outside of the typical. I think that feels more like, let me just figure this one out. And that video did feel different in a really cool way. Yeah. Yeah. Personal storytelling thing versus like a I'm delivering a service in a way.

Yeah. Even the way you delivered it felt a little like. The story? Yeah. Yeah. Storytime is fun. I think I want to do more story time videos in general because it's shocking how many stories that we have

that would actually just make a fun piece to just share with people. Yes. Do you have things like that you want to do more now? Because as we've introed, you were making videos with The Verge for a while and we all watch those and love those. But those also have a sort of,

I don't know if agenda is the right word, but you're reviewing things, there's events you keep up with. Now you get to choose each and every video from the beginning. What are some things that you think you want to do more of now that you're picking everything? Yeah. The big difference is just you're going to see more of like me in my life and get a little bit more of my ethos. And I was already kind of doing that at The Verge.

But it's tough when you're uploading all of your raw footage to a server that's owned by a huge media company it's tough to put like for example my video i did on my personal channel about the ipod nano there's like footage of me as a baby and yes some of that is now on youtube but like that's an hour-long video of me as a child and if i made that video at the verge like that footage is to end up on their server unless I tailor it, and maybe I would have if I was there. But now knowing that it's not going to go there

changes the way I feel about making videos. And I just feel like it's really all mine, and it's going to stay mine. And that feels really good. So I think folks are going to see more of that. Yeah, and so far the reaction's been good. People are interested in people, which is cool. 100%.

And this is one of the questions that gets brought up a lot when you're sort of talking about YouTube in 2024, is can you genuinely start something like in 2024? Like, is that a real thing? You've probably thought about this question. A lot. How do you feel about this question now? Well, I don't feel like I truly started in 2024? Like, is that a real thing? You've probably thought about this question. A lot. How do you feel about this question now? Well, I don't feel like I truly started in 2024.

That's where I've landed. It is hard to start something in 2024. It's so saturated. There are so many people on YouTube. But I firmly believe that if you have a story to tell and you have something that you want to share you'll find an audience but you need to be able to like be authentic and i think that's the toughest part and keep doing it is also the toughest part definitely consistency do you think you could

start in 2024 the same way you started that no i don't well i don't think i could okay and i think it's very specific to what i do which is is tech, which is, uh, there is this entire now like staircase of like access that you have to climb where at the beginning, like I started with, I got a laptop that anybody could have gotten. And I made a video with, uh, you know, screen recording software. And I had a little like webcam that I shot a couple of videos with, like kind of anybody could have done that. Yeah.

But because there was a little bit of a story to follow people jumped on and that was this beginning of the snowball I think if I did that exact same same thing now it would have been harder to find and it wouldn't have been as intriguing or unique of a story because so many other people have already also done that because you you did it. Potentially, sure. But yeah, I think that's why I feel like I have the worst idea of how to start now. Interesting, what would you do? If I were to, because listen, I want to make tech videos,

so I would be trying to figure out how to make tech videos. And I think what I would end up being is actually probably somewhere in the commentary genre. We've seen so many like video essays and commentary YouTube channels about topics where people can sit down and deliver a unique take on a story or a device or a trend. Yeah, it's just straight to camera. You don't need the gadget. You don't need anything like that. I think that's probably what I would do. Cool. And have some sort of perspective that's valuable are there folks you're watching in that space i am watching well i watch a lot of youtube and i was going to talk to you but okay perfect because i watch a lot of commentary channels and i watch a lot of tech channels uh and i do feel

like i like drawing from both and it can be risky because if you spend too much time in the forest you end up just making another tree that looks like every other tree yeah but what do you watch on youtube oh my god everything i love youtube i really do um it's like the service i subscribe to um it is what i watch at night when i turn the tv on um it is what i scroll youtube yeah i'm a big tv youtube watcher the rare tv youtube watchers that's what i've heard yeah as a fraction of the total it YouTube watchers. I heard it's not so rare, maybe. That's what I've heard. Yeah. As a fraction of the total, it's still small, but I was just at the YouTube Creator Summit, and they were like, yeah, Living Room, big focus this year.

Yes. Really? Every time someone tweets at us and says, like, Friday night with Waveform, it's always, like, them with, like, a bowl of cereal watching YouTube on their TV. Yeah. Fascinating. Yeah.

I also do a lot of, like, ambient, like, YouTubing on my TV. Like, I just put it on and like. People do, used to do with Netflix. But the thing with YouTube is there's consistent content constantly every single day, whereas Netflix only gets new shows like every couple of months. Yeah. And I think that YouTube still feels, I mean, the algorithm is obviously there, but it feels like little random.

Like I can find fringe things on youtube that like i struggle to find on netflix yeah you know it really puts you in a lane it feels like wikipedia plus entertainment in one yeah because you can use it right yeah well you can use it for like information development and like learning and you can also use it for like just commentary and listening to things and watching political videos or late night tv or yeah it's like i guess kind of like tiktok what's on your like your home page like if you log in and go to youtube.com today because that's it will be different tomorrow if you watch one video yeah might as well i mean my home page is i'm scared it's always a mix of like

carve it like right now i have six videos on my home page uh a phone review a car review an ultimate frisbee game footage video i got hacked video uh another car video and mkbhd's app sucks video so that's my that's my home page that actually is exactly what i would think for you yeah no surprises yeah so a solid variety and if i refresh it it'll be six new random which one would you click right now yeah so the i would click the ultimate frisbee video because we played this team at regionals a couple weeks ago that was like surprisingly good they're a canadian team and it's a footage of them playing a boston team at that tournament now i kind of want to watch that oh so you're trying to figure out how they play yeah that's awesome yeah but they didn't make

nationals so we won't play them again so i'll probably be wasting my time anyway yeah are you still curious yeah what's yeah what's what kind of stuff shows up on your homepage let's see i got like an iphone 16 pro i got two iphone 16 pro videos because right now i'm working on mine so that makes sense um oh no a little bit exposing myself here but i'm on a real billy eilish kick uh it was one of those videos um i got a video about a zune wait i have a billy eilish video on my home page which one and i don't even listen to her it's uh birds of a feather music video oh five days ago so maybe that's why it's pushing you should watch it is that what yours is on yours too uh mine is also birds of a feather but look what else is on my homepage.

A Becca video is on your homepage? That's crazy. That's crazy. Well, when I ask you what you're going to click. Which one would you click? I mean, that one. Yeah, hell yeah. Because this is research that I'm doing for the podcast. This is you.

This is the Verge cast. Fair. Yeah. Becca, are you going to the New York show next week or the MSG show in two weeks? I'm a little broke right now, so I won't be going to any shows for a while. But yeah, are you on this beat right now with me? Of course. Oh my God.

Just incredible. So good. I watched a TikTok last night that might be the longest TikTok I've ever watched, but it was just Billie Irish sitting on a stage layering her vocals live in front of the crowd. Oh, really? Kind of sick.

I watched it for like two minutes straight. Yeah. Which is a long time for me to watch TikTok, by the way. That's a long time. Just saying. Yeah. Yeah. No, YouTube is very much just, it kind of follows you around, understands you a little

bit, serves you videos. When your tastes change, it can serve you new things. Yeah. Totally flip it upside down, that's that's kind of what we like about it i think my big rule too when i open youtube is i usually click the video with the least amount of views like if if a video has under a thousand views i am there that's a niche of youtube and i went through a thing where it would start serving me videos with like 60 views and i was like where did how, why does this keep happening?

And they'd be solid videos. Yeah. But it would always be one video in the corner, like 44 views. And you're like, okay, this YouTube decided that this is what I need to see right now. Yeah. So I will, I will go through kicks of that. But sometimes it's just like, you're just watching car videos this week. That's all I'm going to serve you.

Yeah. Just fair. You know, those are good too. I'm not a big shorts watcher. okay i scroll right by it are you in general mostly on the long form stuff all the time is it a conscious decision to avoid the short form yeah shorts are everywhere they're everywhere and i just i'm really trying to get out of that like ADD mindset or like that, like, what's a better way to put that? Like that quick dopamine. Yeah.

I'm really trying because I'm finding that it's really affecting how I work. Like I am in this tab and in this page and in this program. And I need to, I need to like train my brain again to like go slow. And I've been finding like I haven't been watching a lot finding like, I haven't been watching a lot of TikTok. I haven't been making a lot of social content, which maybe isn't the best move. But yeah, I just, I need to slow down. Speaking of the way you work.

Yeah. Do you, this is a question because David Pierce, as you know, is very deeply into all the productivity app stuff. Marques is into task apps. Adam's into task apps. I, as you know, is very deeply into all the productivity app stuff. Yes. Marquez is into task apps. Adam's into task apps. God bless you, guys. I, for some reason, have never been able to figure them out. Yeah.

Do you use anything or do you just let your brain kind of like messily collect everything? Yeah. Because that's what I do. The office is a mess, but I know where everything is. Let's go. Yeah. Okay. mess but i know where everything is let's go yeah okay so you so if you were to have a video idea tonight yeah at well talk me through how you uh bring it to life because i imagine not a lot is

getting written down you're sort of bringing or maybe i'm wrong maybe you have things scattered and you're sort of ideally writing some of it now how does that work truthfully i live in google docs yes okay so i have a doc i usually when i think about idea it's a title idea so i just have a running list of title ideas um or like if i do think of a video idea i think of like three titles um and so that's like that's my ideas list um but it's like that and like notes. Yeah. And my notes are a mess. And it's worse and worse and worse.

Apple Notes app? Yeah. Let's go! Hey. Google Docs and Apple Notes is like the elite combo. Agreed. Fight me. No, it's great.

No, it's, it syncs across things. Yeah. Sometimes. Sometimes. sometimes no that's fine so you think of titles first do you also think of thumbnails like packaging the whole video before you make the video i'm bad i'm really bad at thumbnails and i try to now because i know that i need to yeah um but usually thumbnails are like well i'm exporting the video i better make the thumbnail now that's usually what happens that's where we live. We try to be better at it as well. Yeah. I mean, I've gotten endless advice to flip it on its head. Like we'd make the whole video and then as it's uploading, we're like, yeah, we should

have a title for this probably. And also a thumbnail, huh? Yeah. And then that gets made at the last second. Now we try to go through the whole writing process in a way where we can appropriately package the video in our brain first and then make the video that satisfies the packaging yeah which is i think good advice it's just hard to do it's hard to do yeah yeah it is good advice considering uh 95 percent of whether or not someone's going to watch a video is the thing that they see on the home page

it's the thing that matters the most yeah yeah, it's rough. I do challenge myself to make at least two or three thumbnails. Always. Like I always make one and even if I love it, I, you know, hide it and make another one

and hide it and make another one. Have you started using the A-B testing feature already? I don't think I have it yet. Doesn't everyone have it now? I think it's still rolling out. Yeah, it's definitely

still rolling out. But you do it in your brain. Yeah. You do A-B testing in your brain. Yeah, and I haven't changed a lot of thumbnails yet, but I did recently change a thumbnail, and it got such better click-through rate that I was like... Oh, really?

Yeah, I was like, dang, okay, this really is... Yeah. You got to optimize it. Was it, unfortunately, the lower common denominator? Like the thumbnail that was not as artistic and you didn't like as much, but was just sort of like... Simpler?

It's going simpler be clickier yeah i hate all thumbnails i don't know i'd like yeah yeah i should i need to have more of a feeling towards them is really what it is but this is one of those things where i wasn't making thumbnails at the verge yeah um we had someone that did that and he was very good at it shout out to alex super good um and so it was one of the scariest things when I was leaving. Not one of the scariest, but it was up there. We're like, shoot, I'm gonna have to make my own thumbnails now. This is going to be rough.

So, yeah, and it is. Yeah, I think my only, if I could offer advice, is like you have an eye for composition and making good images. There is a huge difference between a good image and a good thumbnail. Yeah. and this is something i had to learn because obviously we have tim now and he does graphic design and now that he's way more talented at that than me like this is the advice i get all the time which is like simple simple simple i'll think of a an image with like what if we had a little thing in the

background here and this little extra a little bit of lens flare up in the corner here and it's like it makes a nice image yeah and it's nice to look at but it actually makes for a worse thumbnail yeah yeah because the eye sort of moves across the screen in a very specific way and if you just have a single or maybe two bold eye catching things then that is dramatically more effective yeah so you can feel a way about the image but yeah it's it's different from being a good thumbnail that's my learnings no that's that's good advice yeah he also learned to not make thumbnails in final cut yeah wait don't you still do that though when you make i still make thumbnails yeah see look yeah this is how i feel about google docs and apple notes that's touche exactly nice wait i

really can't believe that though that's incredible that incredible. That I made him in Final Cut? Yeah, I mean, I will edit photos in Premiere, but I know that that's wrong. Yeah. No, look, I know it's wrong. I get it, but that's the tool that I know best. Yeah, I feel you. I can manipulate it exactly the way I need to.

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people is what i'm learning so i just like the nuts and bolts of it yeah how did you make the super cuts so damn fast because i remember maybe some of the early days of these super cuts i'd be watching uh an event apple event google event's happening. I'd finish the live stream and or maybe I'd be there on the ground or something. And then I'd click out and then not more than 15 minutes later, I would open YouTube and there would already be a 20 minute supercut less than 20 minutes after it uploaded. And my brain's like the math ain't math and something is not right here for those that don't know uh the verge famously does these super cuts of tech events where it's like google's pixel event in 15 minutes and becca was the one that was editing those and like mark has said they were always out within minutes of the event being over yeah which is crazy i think uh something about me is that i'll leave it all in the field but i'm

really competitive like really competitive love that yeah and um and with super cuts like there's other outlets that are doing them um and also there was like people on my team that were cutting other things during the event i had to be first like i had to be first this is the the peak of like bringing value and being first. Yeah. Like summary, quick summary, because nobody wants to watch the 45 minute video again. The keynote's over.

I just missed it. What do I need to see? Bam, just watch the super cut. Yep. So this is useful. Yeah, yeah, it's useful. But it also, in being super competitive and wanting to be first, made me such a fast editor like i am

insanely quick at editing now um and i just now i know these events very well too you know i know when apple is going to give me a bogus line i know when they're going to cut to an ad um and so i know i can like catch up at those parts so you're editing as the event is happening yeah oh let me explain so how does it work yeah so um so basically we have like you know one laptop that's just viewing the event hdmi out through a little black magic um like a box yeah it's a box i don't know what the hell it's actually called does stuff inside of it yeah a little box um and then it goes into this program called movie recorder plus um that will both like record and allow you edit access at the same time what yeah that's magic it's awesome and there's a couple of different ways to do it that's just the way we did it

um and so then i'm in premiere and like just pulling out the clip as the event's going like in premiere you can see it expanding you have to like pull it out manually but like the little arrow that shows you that you're at the end of the clip will like disappear and that's when you know you can like pull it out that is crazy and it's like every 30 seconds you get like 30 seconds no way so okay so you're you're actively getting the footage as it's streaming in yep and then you can kind of decide in the moment this is a line that will be in the supercut timeline this is a line that won't be in the supercut continue to watch oh my gosh yeah ripple delete baby like let's go yeah qw right r i just put it right on r oh got it okay yeah um so so yeah and i'm watching it at like two times speed so usually like i won't really

start like i'll get the hi welcome from like tim or whatever good morning next next yeah don't need it and i but i know like the next five minutes is just gonna be a summary of what they're gonna go over i don't need any of that so i'm like drinking water looking at their hands whatever and then i pull it out and it's like go time so then i'm like cutting watching it two times speed cutting out like pauses or whatever it is um and then i add like the ads when they show the ads are great because I know I can like go back and clean everything up. Oh, wow.

They're doing that. Yeah. Because sometimes there's like a jump cut where they go from like a tight to a wide. Yeah. And I even would like try to like smooth those over or I would like move things around because sometimes they give the price for three products, but they like I want the price right after the product. Right.

I don't know if this is making sense. No, yeah. I'm watching the super cut in my head as you're talking yeah and then and then like sometimes when they do the ads it's nice because you'll get like a good um b-roll bit so like separating the audio pulling that on top disabling it so that if i need to cover something i have it and then sometimes funny things happen that like maybe i'll put at the end for the end card um so i'll put that into another timeline that's just like extras. But, but yeah, it's just like, I just lock in and I love it. And I come out and I feel like, God, I don't know.

Like, I just feel crazy. Yeah, I love that. That's like, I mean, I've sort of decided that I can't be first when I'm making my videos. I mean I've sort of decided that I can't be first when I'm making my videos so I've I've decided okay at the expense of probably being almost last I will try to make this video as valuable as possible yeah but in the like that moment where the keynote ends and there's a hands-on area and you see people sprint over like that is an entirely different race yeah and I respect that so much because I can't do that anymore but I do think that that the super cut of like delivering the value basically instantly yeah that was like a i kind of want to see if i can pull some learnings from that because that's

super interesting yeah i learned a lot about just editing and also just about people speaking and how they speak and what to cut out but but yeah there's people that do it faster than me now though really yeah and i would love to know how they do it bless them but i also i'm done with that yeah yeah speaking of that i had a i had a question about this so yeah we clearly know that you're very into cameras you like camera content oh man secrets out you did a lot of camera content on the verge uh you already have quite a bit of camera content on your channel yeah are you trying to stick in a lane because i feel like in modern youtube the way modern youtube works you kind of have the opportunity to be more than just one thing because it's about the personality one and two subscriptions are so d, like not as important anymore that-

That's a word. Yeah. De-prioritize. De-prioritize, thank you. You're welcome. That the algorithm will just serve them content that they're into in the moment. So like, do you feel a little bit trapped in a lane

or are you expecting to like go outside of that lane? I don't feel trapped and maybe I like should, but I really don't. And I am excited to go outside of that lane i don't feel trapped and maybe i like should but i i really don't and i am excited to go outside of that lane the tough part for me is that in my editing style i use so much footage from devices right and so i am gonna depart the lane but i'm already worried about like what am i gonna show people right this part because like this is where like it's so easy to like get my personality via a camera on a device and i and i use that a lot um like recording off of the device yeah yeah like you'll you'll notice in a lot of my videos i'll be like i don't really like this wide angle lens and then it's

like cut to me using it and having a reaction to it via the product right um i use that all the time um and so like i have a lot of like headphone stuff coming up and i used to make a lot of headphones videos but i'm like god what am i gonna do now oh geez remember yes they know but the buds know oh yeah um but uh so yeah i i'm excited to get outside of that lane is is the answer I don't know how I'm going to do it yet, but I want to do it soon so people know that. Do you have an idea for the wildest outside of your lane thing? Like something that's not even related to anything you've ever done before? Yeah, I'm really interested in the exoskeletons.

Like the Arterix has one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We talked about that on the pod a few weeks ago. Yeah. And I'm just at first i was like no one needs this but then in their marketing they did a very good job um because they explained that like what about folks who used to go outside a lot and no longer can do like the big hikes that

they used to this might give them a way to do that and i was like you know actually like accessibility's dope that's cool um and i'm really excited to try that but like that's something i don't know a lot about that world. And I'm like ready to learn. I'm excited to learn. I'm excited to tell people and teach other folks too. But it does feel like a big departure. a lot of people don't even know that you're like a really big outdoorsy hiker person.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For those that don't know, I'm a big outdoorsy hiker person. You can tell by the plaid. Why don't you like, no, no, I'm just gay. Sorry. Why don't you like take... No, no, I'm just gay.

Sorry. Why don't you like take tech outside or something? Yeah, I thought about that. Yeah, that was like, should I tagline my whole channel that? Yeah, I'm still thinking about it. But I think the thing about like feeling like you're in a lane is sometimes you just want to make the same stuff. Yeah, do you feel that? I've not trapped myself, but I've been making some of the same stuff yeah i feel like i've not trapped myself but i've

been making some of the same types of videos for a while in a way that it can feel like that's all i can make but that's mostly what i want to make i mean i think it's cool that like you're exploring things like f1 and like things that yeah you know you could make the argument that it's tech but just like our episode last week, what isn't? Right. It has some sort of tech in it. But it also comes from other hobbies that you're actually passionate about. So the car stuff comes from things where I'm getting really into cars and they have tech in them.

So it's a natural loop. It's a natural thing we also make videos about. So if you have this outdoor passion or hiking passion or gear passion or whatever, that can easily be looped in. If people want to see Becca, they want to see Becca no matter what she's passionate about. Well, that's what I hope. That's something I just don't know

if it's true yet. I'll find out. So here's, I'll bring another piece of what I got from this Creator Summit. I get little snips from it. But you know Rene? Yeah.

And he works for YouTube now and something that he said that was very, it struck me about YouTube was people always ask about the algorithm. How does the video find the person? How does it push it to certain people? And he said to think of it as not that the video is being pushed by the algorithm.

It's that videos are being pulled by users. So when a user logs in, it's up to YouTube to find videos for that user it knows what it likes it knows what that person's watched before what it's interacting with and so it's going to pull what it thinks they'll find whether it's subscribed or not so this is why the subscriber metric feels like more and more of just a kind of a vanity thing. It is. Because it's really about what you make when it's presented to people that theoretically should be interested, are they actually engaging with it?

Yeah. And so if you're passionate about something and you make a video where it's very clear that you're passionate about something, others who care about that thing, sooner or later, whether they watch instantly because they're a subscriber

or they don't but they find it later they'll find it yeah and then they'll find the rest of the things that you talk about yeah so it's just to think about instead of thinking about the algorithm thinking about the person that logs in when they see your video what do you want them to see yeah yeah I talked on Renee a few months ago when I was like really transitioning um and the thing that he said that stuck with me is he's like you know you have a show and you're a character on that show and if you're consistently that character and you consistently make someone feel a certain way they're going to keep watching the show and so that's how I've been thinking about it as well

but it's you know a similar idea of like shared interest and shared feelings. Yeah. Yeah. I remember like in 2017 when I think it was like Strange Parts, that YouTube channel, his first video got a million views. And I think everyone was like. Bluffing in a curse. Yeah, definitely.

Interesting. But I think that that was sort of like the beginning of the algorithm just not caring about subscribers that much yeah and just like really pushing just good content yeah and now it seems like you can just sort of as long as you're good at what you do like the people will find you which is kind of amazing it is amazing yeah marquez are there videos that you wish you could make that you don't feel like you can because you're make tech videos? No, I think I'm very lucky to be able to say no. I think a lot of people find that they have a

channel that's all the same style and they want to make this other video, but they don't think they can because their audience won't like it. Their subscribers won't respond to it. It'll tank, whatever it is. I really genuinely feel that we've expanded our style enough and I've set expectations to a place where literally any video I genuinely want to make, I think we can make it. Yeah. Which is not everyone can say it, but I'm excited that I can say that that's true. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like testing that right now because I'm just making videos about things I like. Perfect. Um, and so far it's working, but yeah. But you know, what's interesting is like,

what if you made like a hiking video? You know those like silent in the woods hiking videos? This is what I mean. Like, could you actually make- Craig Adams. Yeah. Far out. Like, could you actually make a video that is,

you know, maybe it's not a review, but it's like something totally different. Do you feel anxious about doing that kind of thing? Here's the weird thing about that is that hiking's kind of this like sacred thing for me. It's like where I don't interact with tech. It's where I don't interact with people. I really like to hike alone and for like long spans of time.

And so the thought of bringing a camera on a hike to like film that sort of video isn't appealing to me. Yeah. I mean more in the sense of like a video that is so different from a review. Yeah. Right? Yeah. I mean, I should just try it. Yeah. I mean, more in the sense of like a video that is so different from a review. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, I should just try it. Yeah. Why not? I mean, it's just going to end up being a review about something. I'm going to end up talking about tech because that's what I do. But yeah, no, I should definitely try it. And I think the winter will be interesting when things like slow down, like, you know, January, February. I'm like already. What am I going to what am I going to am i gonna do what am i gonna talk about what am i gonna make

are you a big analytics person uh the studio app is definitely my most visited app yeah you're in there i'm in there okay do i love it no but yeah, are you? Yeah. Yeah. I'm a, well, yeah, I'm a big math numbers person. Yeah. And that like part of that previous conversation was like when subscribers are vanity metric, they're also really good for like a quick sample size for like trying an idea. Yeah. So if you try something new, you just have a whole bunch of people waiting to watch whatever you put out and that's great. And then some fraction of them will be like, I hate this, and leave. And that'll be very informative to the algorithm for who they should serve it to later, which is cool.

But there's all sorts of other really interesting analytics in general. What's your favorite? What's my favorite analytic? Yeah. Oh, no one's ever asked me that one. What's your favorite analytic? What's my favorite analytic? My favorite analytic right

question it changes over the years because there are certain things that obviously youtube has shown to be a priority like average view duration is very important sometimes click through rate that sort of stuff is obvious but i think right now my favorite is percentage of viewers on a video that are subscribed versus not subscribed yeah Because that's a good signal for not channel growth, but just video reach. And whether or not people are actually sharing, watching the video outside of the normal circles. Like did this video hit with just your audience

or people other than the people who always watch you? I think that might be my favorite metric to keep an eye on. Do you have numbers that you like to see there so i typically see like 70 30 is subscribed yeah and i want to see more that are not subscribed yeah okay um but you have a lot of subscribers that's the thing it's true which is like it's it's very helpful to have a lot of subscribers and you might find the thing about having a lot of subscribers is many many many of them are not active recently. So there are people who might not typically watch videos for like years and then they get resurfaced in the algorithm.

And they're like, I didn't even know I was subscribed to this channel. That happens too. What is your male-female percent viewership? Oh, God. Do you know it? Yeah, I do. And I really, it's rough. Oh, God. Do you know it?

Yeah, I do. And I really, it's rough. So this is the thing about tech, which is I've never seen, I've seen one tech channel get to the double digit female percent viewership. Is yours double digits? No. No. Okay. So I don't know if there is a way to actively influence this number. Yeah.

Because I want to see more women in tech and I want more women in STEM and engineering. And I went to an engineering school where they were super proud of getting the ratio from like 30 to 50%. That's amazing. Yeah, there's a constant thing that people are thinking about.

Yeah. And I don't know if there's an answer, but like, is there a way to target or make videos more appealing to certain audiences? Or is that even something you think about? I think about it a lot. I mean, the funny thing about like my analytics right now is that I just started.

So they're really wonky because like the Why I Left the Verge video hit a unique audience that maybe isn't my audience. So everything is kind of in a weird place, but like, it's like 2% female, maybe even like 1%. Wow. Really? Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. And I also just want to say that, you know, a split like male, female, gender binary is a little, not true to the entire population, but yeah, it is. It's like, I don't know how to reach that audience. Yeah. See, I do. I notice the number fluctuate between videos. So I think the average for my channel might be 9% or so, female. That's really good.

So 91.9. And I think that's pretty good among tech channels and among large channels because then you start to see like YouTube in general skews male or tech in general skews male. But I might notice on certain videos, it'll be like 96.4. And on another video, it'd be like 90.10. I'd be like, oh, what happened here? I have never been able to pinpoint any other variable, whether it's the type of video or is it a device or an unboxing? Like it's never consistent. And I think...

Is it YouTube? Yeah. Who knows? Is it just that day what people are doing online? It is sometimes that day. Yeah. Sometimes. One time I got randomly 98% female, 5,000 views in one day. In one day. And I think it just all came from like a certain website or blog.

That sounds like an embed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like traffic from somewhere that has a female demographic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That'll happen sometimes. But the overall of that video is 2% female. So clearly. Yeah. Something happened. Yeah. Yeah. Like traffic from somewhere that has a female demographic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'll happen. But the overall of that video is 2% female. So clearly something happened. Yeah. There was a glitch in the matrix. That was not. Yeah. That was not.

I think Jonathan Morrison is the only tech YouTuber I've seen with a double digit female. David Kogan, 23%. Whoa. I need to talk to that guy. I got to talk to that guy. He has really good hair. Does he ever? I'll talk to him later. Yeah. Because he never. It's the hair. I thought I had pretty that guy. I got to talk to that guy. He has really good hair. Does he ever? I'll talk to him later.

Yeah. Because he, you never know. It's the hair. I thought I had pretty good hair. You do. I thought I had good hair. Actually, you guys both have good hair. So, you know what?

You see the numbers. You see the numbers. That wasn't correct. That's funny, though. That's, yeah. But it's tough. That one actually hurts me. Like, that's just like a personal mission, really.

I think his is like exploring different parts of like new york city but with a device so i think people like yeah you get a little bit out of the tech niche that way because in a way it's like exploring a new area and the devices brings in the tech people so yeah yeah that is the thing that's true yeah about being in the tech world if you're making a tech video, this is something I've said before, it's no longer just a tech video. You have to find some angle to make it worth watching to people

is what I've found. Yeah. So back in 2009, it was enough to just be one of the iPhone videos. Yep. Now it's, okay, there's a thousand iPhone videos,

but this is the iPhone camera video or this is the iPhone battery test video. It's a specific reason to watch it. Now in 2024, you have to be like, this is the why you shouldn't buy the iPhone video, or they have to be like even more specific to get people to actually watch it. And I think that's, that's where you find like all these super niches of like people diving really deep into something that hasn't quite been taken or covered yet yeah using the studio quality mics on the iphone 16 pro for music production you might you might find a really intense audience for that i'd watch that super into that so i think that's you know your numbers will fluctuate all kinds of stuff especially as you

start exploring like different styles and things like that but yeah yeah you'll i think there'll be a lot of a lot of successes you'll find yeah well and that's like like i was saying though the channel is so new that like i can't really trust any metrics at this time because i'm still like really rapidly growing and changing and yeah but but i think finding the angle is actually the fun part like for me when i get a product in i just get using it for like a week or two weeks or as long as I can, really. And then it starts to tell me something. And that's like the fun part, you know. Okay, so you watch a lot of YouTube.

And I wonder if you're thinking about making a review for a device, will you actively watch other videos about the same thing before you make yours? Yeah, I'm a big like, I like to watch everybody's coverage. It feels like research to me. Yes, it is research. There's a part of me that's like, I can't, I need to remember what my original opinions are before I go into this so that I don't find that I'm being skewed.

100%. Because I know that there is a niche of YouTube, which is let me evaluate everyone else's opinions and then take the other opinions so that I stand out. That's a thing that people will do. Of course. And so I'm cautious of like, am I watching one of those videos right now? Or is this actually something that I find valid? Yeah. stand out that's a thing that people will do of course i'm sorry i'm i'm cautious of like am i

watching one of those videos right now or is this actually something that i find valid yeah but yeah that's it's just like a i have to think about that as i'm watching videos about other things that i'm going to make a video about 100 hard to not have your opinion swayed about very small things and then you just don't notice it happening yeah i definitely like way back when i was reviewing android phones like full-time just complete i just did not engage in any i used to be that yeah yeah because i was just scared like i think there was a like a review that i made where i was like did i get my entire opinion from dieter like am i just copying his video and so i just like i'm cutting myself off i can't do this yeah yeah i i agree with that i think i i'm lucky in the way that you won't hear a lot of specs in my videos.

And it's very much like personal lived experience, which can only be mine. But you're right. There comes a point where you have to cut yourself off. Yeah, yeah. Because there's so much of it, too. Yeah. So much coverage. So much.

What you said earlier about having a hobby that you specifically have like outside of cameras and tech and Internet stuff, I think is super valuable and important. Yeah. And I'm curious if you ever use parts of that to then bring back in. I'll give you an example. I play a sport. No way. Which one? Yeah.

Ultimate Frisbee. Oh, wow. It's a weird sport. A lot of people have heard of it. No, I never heard of it. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah, Ultimate Frisbee. It's a weird sport. A lot of people have heard of it. No, I've never heard of it. Perfect. But that's good because it lives in this separate bubble in my brain that is like, it's like a flip switch.

I don't want to bring tech or cameras or anything around it. It is sort of precious in that way. Yep. But also, as a result result it's a team sport and i feel like that moment where the teammate asks like oh i saw there was like an event today about the new phone what what is there and the moment where i have to formulate two sentences about what they should care about yeah and they react to that that actually instructs me a lot about the way regular people outside of the tech world are thinking about things yes yes do you have that connection to like quote normies is what you call them in your life norm core i mean all of my friends perfect are normies oh that's great yeah

but most importantly my partner hannah who i think will be making her way into more of my videos is like anti-tech like really that's the niche that's not covered yeah yeah it's people who don't care about tech being handed brand new tech yeah someone's got to make that yeah well the problem is she just craps on it and I'm like no that's great that's what happens usually it's good but I'm like okay can you find something to say other than this sucks yeah but her big thing that I love and I find very funny is she has a real like disdain for AI. Anything made with AI

in the title, she's like, it's cursed. And so I really like Midjourney, like just for fun, I prompt a lot. And anything that's been prompted is cursed. And there was one thing that came up and I was like, that would be a really cool tattoo. And she's like, if you get that tattooed on your body, you're cursed.

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on now dine in only until 11 a.m all right let's chat more youtube with becca and so she really keeps me like grounded and it's very fun and funny um but yeah for you it's your frisbee team yeah and it kind of it it bleeds into the way i think about the audience for the videos which is like okay this is a big channel it's a lot of uh more mainstream you could say like people thinking about tech yep so i can talk specs all day i can do benchmarks all day and we can do extremely fine tuned, like really, really specific things that are new about a phone. But like the camera control button on the iPhone, for example, I found myself thinking like I could go so in depth about this.

Right now you're saying this and I'm like, I let's talk. We could get real in the weeds about that button. Yes. But but on 90 something percent of the people who watch this video, which is people like my teammates out on Randall's Island or New Rochelle or wherever, are not ever going to think that deeply about that button. And they want the one sentence that summarizes it. They really want that. The elevator pitch.

And so there's this balance of trying to speak to both yeah and i kind of end up i landed where i thought was like maybe if this was a spectrum of how you can get into the weeds or not care i thought i landed like right here yeah like 75 towards not care like it's honestly it's just a shutter button for most people you're not really gonna think about it too hard yeah and then i would hand the phone to someone and they're like this is actually terrible like i'm never using this as a shutter button for most people. You're not really going to think about it too hard. And then I would hand the phone to someone and they're like, this is actually terrible. I'm never using this as a shutter button. This makes my videos blurrier. This is harder to use.

And they were outside of the spectrum that I thought would exist about this button. So I think it's good to have both of those. Right when the iOS 18 beta came out and they added the RCS stuff, I started trying to get, I was like, we were reviewing the pixels. So I was trying to get my iPhone like we were reviewing the pixels so i was trying to

get my iphone friends to update to the ios 18 beta so that i could text them on rcs on their phones and most of them like friends well you know they're the ones that bully me about being a green bubble so they can deal with it you know but anyway uh some of them updated some of them refused to because they were just being stubborn and then they updated when it actually came out because it like updated overnight or whatever and the things that they sent me about the things that actually excited them about the update made me realize the things that people are because the two things that i heard like five times it was the calculator now has history because a number of my friends are like baristas or bartenders. Yeah.

And they'll be like telling things up and then they forget what they just tallied up. Yeah. Now it has a history so you can like see what you had previously typed and the results for it. They love that. Wait, it didn't have that before?

Yeah. No. Literally. Yeah, it's it's horrible yeah it was that and then the schedule send text messages I had multiple people tell me interesting none of them cared about theirs which is funny because they were mad at me for the green bubbles but they didn't seem to care that it got better

anyway it's because it was just a color yeah I guess to them it's just a color but yeah it's like the simple things that were like oh yeah it's because it was just a color yeah i guess to them it's just a color but yeah it's like the the simple things that were like oh yeah it's slightly updated it's like oh that is actually the thing that people really care about yeah and that kind of like reminds me and grounds me in that like people just want quality of life improvements yeah especially at this point in technology but they're probably not going to care that the button is actually a real button that also has a force sensor when you half press

it emulates a real button nobody cares about that tell us how you feel about that I'm sorry we have to talk about it we have to I mean by the time this comes out it's like are we going to be like bored of talking about this button I'm never bored of the button

I'm always on that button it's the one thing I've to bring the button. I'm never bored of the button. Yeah. All right, cool. I'm always on that button. It's the one thing I've seen. Let's be honest. I'm making that a soundbite. I actually just wrote this yesterday. I spent hours writing and rewriting my section on this button. Damn, we are alike.

Yeah. We are not alike, but we are alike in that. Oh, my God. We both have done that. It still is haunting me because it's what i'm going to finish this afternoon and i'm like i thought about it all last night i thought about it all this morning like i am locked in to this damn button um i want to like it so bad yeah i really like i love buttons i love tactile things i even like the feel of it

like i think it's like just mushy enough well except when you have to do the double tap thing it's yeah because like it's kind of a push and the timing yeah yeah it's too slow yeah the time and like the scrolling is like wait like i can never get it where i want it and i'm it's so frustrating that i'm not using it and i hate that because i want to love it yeah but i've been using it just to open the camera. That's it. And then I use the fucking screen. Yes. Same. Same.

Yeah, it is the double tap like on Android. The double tap. It's just that. Yeah. Which I'm happy to have. But yeah, I'm just, I'm sad. The button makes me sad is what I've come to do. I think they overcomplicated it. Yes.

Yeah. Because I think that regular people and me, everybody, really doesn't want to have to deal with the half-pressed thing all the time. No. Which you theoretically don't have to. This is why I landed on it's just a shutter button. Trust me. Just use it to take a picture. 100%.

But yeah. Yeah, they tried to do too much. They did a lot. I think that they thought... I agree. Sorry. You go ahead. No, I... So I'm there. I found a setting the other day of how to preserve the memory of the tone switch. So if you change camera... What is it called? The photographic styles?

If you change settings, then it will preserve the memory of it. And so now I always have tone at minus 0.5 and that's great. But it doesn't map to anything now, so I don't use it anymore. I just take the shutter and that's it. So it's fine. It's very capable and it can do a lot of things. I just don't use that.

Yeah. Which is true about a lot of tech. There's a lot of things that you don't realize how capable it is, and it's designed for someone who will use that a lot. You would think it's for us, like people who are really into camera stuff, but yeah, I'm just not using it that much.

It takes just so much longer to change the settings. Yes. It's like doing the freaking like Sega like hack keyboard presses thing. You know why? Because it doesn't do anything that you can't do with the screen. I know. And the screen's great. We got rid of the physical keyboard because you can do it on the screen.

And now we added another thing that you can do on the screen and get rid of all the buttons i say get rid of every single that's what we thought they were gonna do get rid of all the ports all the speakers all the buttons it's just turning into a regular normal just make it a smooth rock on the screen just make it a square phone no i do like the buttons i just think that i think that the force haptic thing is too much. I think they literally could have done a single button. Yeah, but they couldn't. Yeah, but they could have done like if you hold its video, if you double tap it, it does one thing.

If you triple tap it, it does another. I feel like that's a thing people know. Yeah. They could put it at the bottom of the phone and make it a circle with like a little square in the middle. And then it could go home if you press it. That's a great idea. of the phone and make it a circle with like a little square in the middle. You know what I'm talking about? And then it can go home if you press it. Yeah.

That's a great idea. Maybe like you hold it to get a Siri. Tim, make that happen. Yeah, let's go backwards. Wait, while we're talking about going backwards, there's a great segue. Where is this going? Yeah, I did a Retro Tech series

where I like revealed to the world that I don't have any feelings of nostalgia for any tech, but I might as well check it out anyway. Yeah, that was really. Yeah um loved it but i was born in just the right time and i was i was raised in just a strict enough way where like sega genesis means nothing to me what that makes you unique i it's true maybe a little uh where do you do you have any uh old tech nostalgia feelings do you are you a record collector do you like using wired headphones over wired is there some some line that you draw on the sand

with new tech yeah well i was listening to the last special episode of this podcast and i was thinking about like what our ordinary object yeah what ordinary object do i love which i guess that doesn't really relate to that but maybe no that will. No, that could be. Wait, I have to think for a second. I really have to think about this. I do have records, which I really enjoy putting on because I enjoy the experience of an album. I love when an artist tailors an album to be listened to top to bottom. Same. And, like, I just love that. I love going on the journey.

I have a lot of old cameras, as you can imagine. Do you shoot with them for fun and like make things with them? I do. Um, yeah, I'll like bring them on vacation or just like go out with them for a day. And then they usually break at some point. I don't know how you do this. That's crazy. Actually use them or break them?

No, break them. I'm a little reckless with my things because they're tools to me yeah and they break and then i'm sad for a day and then i just go to the next old camera and you know at some point i'll have the money and like know the person to fix them and i'm looking forward to that they're all in the midwest i know minnesota and yeah there's always one person yeah it's bob us it's bob yeah and his website hasn't changed since like 2002 yeah yeah i love him i can't wait to send him my money um and my camera but for now so yeah i use a lot of old cameras um that's that's kind of i drive a really old car

yeah do you have a so do you have an everyday object that you think would be would qualify as not tech yeah it's a lot of pressure i thought about this a lot a hard question for all of us and this is gonna sound weird i'm ready where'd you land i the extra soft toothbrushes they're new valid they did not exist a couple years ago. Extra soft. Extra soft. They're literally like, it almost feels like you're brushing your teeth with a cotton ball. But I have, but it works. I think it's good. I mean, my dentist says it's working. Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

Like, doesn't it need to be bristly? It has bristles, but I also have receding gums. Now you know a little bit more about me. Oh, wow. And so I have no other choice but to use a really soft brush. Okay. And i love it it qualifies keeps my teeth clean my dentist says so and no tech yeah do the cotton balls get no electronic they're not actually cotton yeah metaphorical cotton balls uh i think so i'm a

big flosser i'm also a big like i have like a whole mechanism that is like the water thing it's like a water pick but it has individual jets what every oh that's no way that's like a medieval device no this is high tech this is high tech this is high tech this is not colored i had to go get my mouth like 3d scanned you know what yeah i actually this company i met them at ces and they were like we'll send it to you and i was like oh and it's kind of expensive so i feel bad sometimes when people send me stuff but i like i'm like how am i gonna make a video about this and i actually love it um yeah it really my mouth you use it every day yeah i use it every day wow yeah and you like fill up a tank is it fast yeah it's like five seconds, and it shoots a crap ton of water.

David's going to buy this immediately. These are the questions, and he's like, where can I get one? And how much is it? Yeah, I think they're like 800 bucks. If I can take care of myself, and it takes less than 10 seconds, I'm all in. It's amazing. Yeah, and if you have counter space, and it looks nice. Really?

Yeah, and the packaging's nice. They really nailed it. It looks nice. Really? Yeah, and the packaging's nice. They really nailed it. So you have a real tech and not tech combined in that exact place in your life. Medieval mouth jets.

Yeah, medieval mouth jets. And cotton swabs. We got the name of this episode. Medieval mouth jets. I don't know. Is there personal tech that you guys use that you love? That's not not in videos yeah that like you probably wouldn't make a video about oh there's tons wouldn't yeah yeah like this thing is gonna be i i do want to tell people about this because i genuinely love it but i'm like god i'm gonna have to show people me putting this medieval

thing into my mouth and go so fast yeah i probably would yeah so is there anything like that for you that you wouldn't make a video about yeah maybe you wouldn't um or you would have to i use a regular analog toothbrush i use an analog toothbrush as well late stage so i believe the term is acoustic i am fully acoustic acoustic with the toothbrush no I don't I don't think I think the thing about tech is like I

I keep it pretty minimal at home I did just install for no good reason I needed a project

I installed the new Nest thermostats at my house oh you did yeah I bought them I got them all installed and I fully broke

my furnaces and then I got I called an electrician and I was like I installed them, I got them all installed, and I fully broke my furnaces. And then I called an electrician, and I was like, I installed them, it was working, and then an hour later they both said they're not getting power, and I need help. Oh, no. And they, I, turns out I had this problem

last time I installed the original Nest thermostats from the original thermostats in the house, which is, it trips when you, like, hit the breaker switch. This is way too much information no i love this when you hit the breaker switch to turn them off which is what they say you're supposed to do when you're like doing the rewiring and you turn it back on you also have to go to the furnace and open it and find a reset switch and hit that and then it turns back on before it gets power again so i had done all the turning off breaker switch things i turned them

all back on and then it said it was getting power but the furnace wasn't on so it didn't like see the furnace yep and then I had to like call the electrician he's like he literally was like I'm sorry it's not actually broken I just had to reset it and you're good I was like sorry I'm an idiot I appreciate you yeah and I paid him because it was a Sunday but yeah that is that is what i did at home is uh i got a little bit of tech i'm pretty minimal with the tech so i got i got a that was a big deal for me having the thermostats yeah i'm actually pretty minimal even though i just described this crazy machine that i use every night um yeah same same keep it clean um but he must get that problem a lot i i don't know he seemed like apologetic that he didn't have anything to fix like he was ready to

fix something and then he was ready to fix something. And then he was just like, you literally just hit this button. But would you not make a video on the Nest thermostats? Because you made a video on the Tesla solar roof. I made a video on the solar roof because that was a massive investment that has this payback period and this dilemma that a lot of people are in. And I had been on solar roof YouTube for long enough that I was like, I should contribute my information that I've gathered from having this. And I think there's enough-

Giving back to the community. Yeah. The new Nest thermostats, they don't actually do anything better than the previous gen other than fully being integrated in the Google Home app instead of Nest. Because the old ones are like half in the Nest app and half in the Google Home app. And it's just so tiring having to go back and forth. But these have some stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. They have the like, they'll only heat your home a certain amount if they know it's going so tiring having to go back and forth. They have some stuff. Yeah. They have the like, they'll only heat your home a certain amount if they know it's going to be hotter outside. Did the old one not do that? I don't think so. I mean, I don't use any of the new features other than like home and away on my phone.

I had that already. It's literally just like, can I set the schedule and just delete the Nest app from my phone? And I can actually finally delete the Nest app from my phone. So that's why I did it. Yeah. The home stuff is hard because you're gonna have it for a long time yep and people are gonna change companies are gonna change hands like yeah i'm gonna watch all the reviews before i buy the next thing yeah that's where i'm at it's so hard thinking of like

a thing that you like that you wouldn't make a video about yeah because like if i like a thing i i want to tell people about it. The only thing I can think of right now is I have this like, I have this like- Careful, you're gonna make a video about it. Yeah, show and tell, I love it. I have this emulator, Game Boy Advance SP, that has micro SD card slots and HDMI out and USB-C.

Whoa, with no games on it. Right. Why, it Although it's not. With no games on it. No, right. Why, it's thicker. Legally no games on it. Yeah, it's thicker. It has, yeah, it's great. The screen is amazing. The battery life's pretty good.

The only problem is that the USB port is not officially USB certified. So you have to use a five watt brick because otherwise it explodes. This is a problem. But it's like the best thing i've used in a really long time it's just that i'm not like a gaming person like i i really enjoy if i have if i'm like sitting at the doctor's office like playing some zelda yep right that's

been amazing and it's better than it's better than like swipe uh just like doom scrolling, right? Yeah. But I'm not so much of a gaming person that I feel qualified or excited enough to like make a video about it. Well, in the gaming space is unique, too, because it often feels like if you're not good, you're just going to get crapped on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I love Fortnite. I love Fortnite. Oh. I'm really bad at Fortnite. If you could control YouTube Rewind, what would you do Like, I love Fortnite. I love Fortnite. Oh. I'm really bad at Fortnite. If you could control YouTube Rewind, what would you do?

Oh, my God. Thoughts? We don't have to go there. No, don't do that. No, but that's interesting. I am pretty bad at most of the video games I play. Yeah. Are you a Forza player?

Do I remember you playing that in a video? I'll mess around with some Forza or some Gran Turismo or like driving games are fun for me. Yeah. And then I'll play sports games. Oh, okay. I'll play 2K. I'll play, there's a golf 2K game. There's the NBA 2K game.

I'll play those. Yeah. And I'm not that good. If I ever go online, I get murked. I'm not anywhere near as good as those people. But it's fun. So, you know, I don't like streaming or anything. I think people are like really entertaining humans

or they're really good at the game. And if they can do one of those things, they'll get an audience. I would be horrible at it because I'm not entertaining live and I'm bad at the game. So, oh well. Hey man, people have been asking for Waveform Live

for a very long time. Yeah, I think they are just nice they're just they're asking because they're nice and then they get it and they're like oh this is very it's boring yeah um yeah we were considering doing a live like podcast at some point and they were like but what about all the things considering it uh some of us we were thinking about doing like an event like an alive event well we could still do that so we could still do it but the amount of things that we normally cut that would just be out there.

I can be careful. But I also, like, what is the reason you're cutting them? Because if it's, like, for time, like, people who are at a live event will sit for a long time. We, uh... I have a whole folder of things

that I'll send you separately. Yeah, we just need to go way off the deep end. Yeah. Blurt things out sometimes. Sometimes we say things that we didn't mean to be weird, and then it's weird. Yeah. You know? Sometimes David says things. Hey, it's not... Maybe 80%, but

there's some other... It's never intentional. Anyway. We don't want people to, like, take things the wrong way. 100%. Yeah. You gotta control the image, you know? Yeah. Spark Anyway. It's an edited podcast. We don't want people to like take things the wrong way. 100%. Yeah. You got to control the image, you know? Yeah. Sparkly.

Could be fun though. You could just lock everyone's phones up. I like the shows that do that. Yeah. It makes a better environment, honestly. It does. Yeah. All right.

Lightning round. I have a lightning round for you. Sponsored by. Yeah. Exactly. This is a couple quick questions. I'll give you up to 10 seconds with each one so it's like a truly like whatever you're feeling okay i already asked one

of them which is 24 or 30 so we'll just knock that one to the side yeah all right wired or wireless headphones wireless wireless okay what phone is in your pocket right now i don't have one in my pocket right now really well i do normally okay wait let me take it back what phone do you have right now i'm reviewing the iphone 16 pro okay that's in my pocket but also the pixel 9 pro is still in my pocket so good i really love it i'm i think i'm going back i picked it up again last week um and it's just it feels higher it feels more premium than the iphone it which is wild I is my take it is so by the time this comes out they'll probably be in my pocket but I

unfortunately have the XL version and the small is elite yeah the best Android phone camera you've used Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, my God. I'm freaking out. Whoa. Okay, I want to say it's got to be like one of like the... Xiaomi 12. Yep. It's got to be like a Xiaomi something or other,

which is why I'm excited to hopefully be able to review some stuff from them, even though it doesn't come to the U.S. Yeah. It's amazing. I know. U S yeah. It's amazing. I know it's unreal. It's unreal. It's an RX 100. Like that's what it reminds me of.

Like the look, the feel. Yeah. I mean, they're really doing stuff. They really are. I was very impressed by like the, they have some crazy camera bumps,

but like, I remember the Xiaomi 11 ultra and then the Xiaomi 14 ultra. Yeah. Crazy, crazy phones. They have stuff that is, if you're like a photographer and video person, you like really respect it but then we do our uh blind camera test and everyone doesn't vote for it yeah that's fair for the art people out there yeah but

sometimes like a phone's camera is really about like how it makes me feel yeah like the final image is gonna look pretty much like everything else or you can make it look like everything else so it's like how does it feel in my hand? That's big for me. So you can like put that on a shirt and frame that. That's, it's facts. I'm trying. It's just facts. Most overrated camera.

Oh man, not just on a phone. Any camera. Any camera? Yeah. Oh, I know what she's gonna say. You can say it. This is a safe space. You can say it. This is a safe space. You can say it.

I don't know. This doesn't feel safe all of a sudden. Do it. I actually, I just want to say I haven't tested every last camera in this earth. What? I know. I'm trying. I'm trying, but they keep coming out with more.

I think the most overrated, though... I just think reds are really expensive. Oh. That's not even what I was going to say. Dang. We can go there. No, they are so overpriced. They're really expensive.

They're dramatically overpriced. And I think if you're in the ecosystem and you've used them forever, they're amazing. But if you're going to enter that ecosystem, I think they're kind of like a steep thing to learn. It's expensive to buy. The files are insane. They don't... Dude, a normal video for me is a terabyte.

I will say... I have no words. My favorite comment online is, of course the videos look good. They're shot on red. No. That means nothing. Yeah.

There is so much other work that goes into making a video look good. Yeah. And I have seen videos that look great that are shot on 5D Mark IVs. And I've seen bad videos shot on red. Yes. It's all the lighting.

100%. But that being said, I also just don't think I've spent enough time with reds so yeah so there it is Becca said Nikons are overrated hoagie hero or sub oh man I want to I want to go hoagie, but I've never been like, hi, can I have a hoagie? Right. It just sounds right. Right.

I say sub, I feel like. Yeah, I say sub too. Yeah. I just say like, I usually get things on a roll. So. True. I'm a roll person. Folding phone or flipping phone?

Folding. Folding. No, no, no. Sorry. Flipping. Flipping. Yeah. Small dog or hamburger?

Small babes. Yeah. Hamburger. Hamburger. Yeah. Theylipping. Yeah. Small dog or hamburger? Small babes. Yeah. Hamburger. Hamburger. Wait. They're both hot dogs. Oh, you're saying that the aspect ratio is more like a hamburger? The bread.

Yeah, it's the bread. The aspect ratio of the bread. Got it. Yeah. Okay. But I still, like, you said flipping and folding. I still have to, like, think. Oh, yeah.

I still have to, like, consciously be like, wait, which one is it? I guess Samsung kind of gave us flip and open. They did. Yeah. And did yeah and thank god but when the trifold comes out what do we call it trifold it's an accordion oh and the bagpipe it will be the best thing that's ever been created you think so i think so we'll have it soon watching videos in elite 16 by 9 videos in elite 16 by 9-esque aspect ratio instead of having a square that crops giant amounts yeah yeah i need to see the creases i just think that the folding phones right now like while i like that they're generally normal-ish size when you open them it's like what am i going to do with one by one like google maps is not email and scroll Twitter at the same time, obviously. I'm not that good at multitasking. Yeah, it's not about one by one, you know?

It's about two by one. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. Winning an Emmy, overrated or underrated? Oh my God. Underrated. The best.

So fun. Amazing. I want everybody to have the night that I had when I won an Emmy. Yeah, it was the coolest, most wonderful thing. And it's not even about having the trophy. It's just about having a dedicated day to celebrate with the people you love something that you've made.

And I just wish that we could all figure out a way to do that more for ourselves. It was amazing. We can have a pizza party. If we ever, yes. Yes, I can commit to that right now. Can it be today in like an hour? Keyboard shortcuts or mouse?

Shortcuts. Keyboard shortcuts. Are you like all fully like mostly keyboard shortcuts editing? No, I'm a 50-50. So that's like a tough one. But I love my keyboard shortcuts. And like, even if I'm working on someone else's laptop, I'll go through and remap the entire keyboard for me

before I start working. Oh, okay. That's enough to, yeah. I'm tied. I have a slightly psycho setup and I know that it's a psycho setup, but it's my psycho setup. Then it's not psycho, lay it on me.

It just works for me, which is mouse on the right, keyboard in the middle, trackpad on the left. Trackpad is only for side-scrolling the timeline, nothing else. I have that ability with the wheel on the mouse. I never use it is only for side-scrolling the timeline. Nothing else. I have that ability with the wheel on the mouse. I never use it. It's side-scrolling,

and then everything else is keyboard, shortcuts, and mouse, and then moving. I command plus and minus to zoom as well. So you have the trackpad. So I'm just two fingers. Because the trackpad, I have to have my cursor over the timeline to do the pinch zoom.

So if my cursor is anywhere else and i pinch it won't work so if you oh but as long as my playhead and active area in the editor is on the timeline i can command plus anywhere and then move the mouse good to know so i can just throw the mouse around command plus and like move in and do stuff on the keyboard and then like scroll that is actually a little psycho i might be converted over that's just Even the motions you're making right now, your hands are dancing. I'm here. Marques also edits like this. Not all the time.

Sometimes. Wait, how are your knees? Well, because we have standing- I have a sit-stand desk. Yeah, it's not all the time, but it's just funny when I look over and his desk is still raised, but he's sitting in his chair and he just is working like this. My legs are tired. I don't want to commit to sitting.

It's funny, but. I have a. What percentage do you stand? That's a good question. 60. Okay. Yeah. So it's worth it.

I don't know. I think it's like 60, 70. Probably 60. And then that 40% of the time you're sitting, but your desk is still raised. No, that's like five. Okay. And then I'll sit and like bring it all. But that's why I've like, I'm tired.

I'm committing to sitting down now. I like lower the desk and sit down. But sometimes, let me just get like a two second break and I'll just like sit down and then stand back up. Yeah. Yeah. It's 5% of the time, but it's 100% of the pictures that I take. It's fair. That's beautiful.

Sound design in YouTube videos. Yeah. Over or underrated? I think people overdo it. Yeah. But it's underrated. That's a really good answer. So good.

Who's overdoing it? No names today. No, dude, this is such a thing because there was a period of time where people started actually caring about the sound design and it was what differentiated the good YouTube videos. And then people overcorrected, including myself. Like I put way too many whooshes in my videos. It's easy to go hard. And then it's hard to scale it back

because you stop hearing it really, like you're editing it. If something swooshes into the screen, why can't I also hear it swoosh into the screen? I'm tempted to add something every time something happens. Yeah, I've been there. Yeah, I stay away it swoosh into the screen. I'm tempted to add something every time something happens. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've been there.

Yeah, I stay away from swooshes because I just feel like they're so hard to get right. And when you get them right, they're great. And when you get them wrong, it's really bad. I like slow them down to 25%. So it's like... Ooh. Yeah.

Can you clip that out for me? I'll use that. Yeah, just clip. That's it, good. Last question. How fast can you type the alphabet? Not that fast. Should we do it?

How fast exactly to the second? Like A through Z. Am I supposed to know this? Oh, you don't have a number off the top of your head? We didn't give her the pre-sheet. She was supposed to come in with this time. Well, instead, we can just time it now, like live.

So what we're going to have you do is if you could start a screen recording for us and go to typethealphabet.app Also, we have a mechanical keyboard or an Apple chiclet keyboard or do you want to use your laptop keyboard? Do you have a magic keyboard? Yeah, I'm a mechanical keyboard or an apple chiclet keyboard if or do you want to use your laptop keyboard whichever one you want to do you have a magic keyboard we do yes yeah i'm a magic keyboard type the alphabet.com type the alphabet.app.app the way your eyes lit up with the magic keyboard

i can tell this is going to be fast let's go no i'm not that fast i'm really i'm only competitive with things that i'm actually good at so yeah i'm only good if I have a chance that I could win. You could find out that you're good at this right now. We give everybody three choices, or sorry, three chances. And are you on the site right now? Yes, but let me start screen recording and let me put it into a different window. Let me get this nice.

I'm nervous, I'm getting nervous. That's good. That's like peak heart rate. Your heart rate should be up a little bit. You know, have the blood flowing through your hands. That's like good typing speed stuff. Oh, God. I barely beat Brandon.

I recently learned what the fastest animals heart rates are in the animal kingdom and the slowest. Hummingbird. Hummingbird is one of the fastest. Do you know how many beats per minute a hummingbird heart? 220. That's their resting heart rate. What? 220. That's their resting heart rate. What? Yeah.

When they're active and they're flying around, try 1,250. That's crazy. What? Wait, now ask me the slowest. Turtle. Blue whale. Oh, that makes sense. Now, turtles, so hibernating reptiles, I didn't count because they'll beat like once every 10 minutes, which is just not fair. What? 10 minutes? i didn't count because they'll beat like once every 10 minutes which

is just not fair what are you saying 10 minutes you didn't count it which means that you had like rules in your head while you were going over this but like active just like living their life blue whale okay 2 bpm every 30 seconds and their heart's the size of a this table which is kind of yeah i thought it was bigger the sofa was how they referenced it but i would say like yeah like seven feet okay anyway are you all set up yeah i'm nervous i'm scared the only rules are yeah if you want to give it a test run sample run as you're typing if you miss a letter it will not continue until you hit that letter so if you go a b d e f g blah blah blah if you never hit c the timer keeps running you have to hit every letter see why this go a b d e f g blah blah blah if you never hit c the timer keeps

running you have to hit every letter see why this is bad for me is that i'm very dyslexic so you know and i know i should know the alphabet um but i feel like i'm gonna be like it's one of those niche skills where like maybe you're good at it maybe you're not doesn't really matter to real life the other tip don't hit enter at the end because that recess oh so that is a good tip because naturally exactly lock it in a through z and it gets locked in and you get three shots at your at your leisure i might mic up your keyboard right now yeah so fast so slow okay i'm scared okay so when i start it starts okay someone count me down three two one okay okay ten how did you

feel about that i just sang the song oh yeah but that was your first try you get two more tries okay i might get faster i feel like this was really slow people tend to get faster and they're always surprised by where they are on the leaderboard so i'll let you go two more times okay am i gonna be surprised because i'm

last uh do i have to how do i oh reset yeah reset oh hit enter yeah all right here we go three two Three, two, one. I feel like you need to make that slightly louder. Okay, that's about the same. One more? Yeah, let me do one more. What was that? It was 10.319. Okay. Yeah, I feel like this is slow.

Maybe I should try my other keyboard. Up to you. Oh, my God god let me just mix it up i got the same results twice and you know two's enough for me to be like let me try something else all right okay here we go three two one oh no oh no oh no yeah it's it actually it tells you which letters you took the longest on somebody whoever built this website was very specific about it do you recall your fastest time i love this i think it was like 10.13 or something like that. I can look. I can look because I can stop the recording. Oh, true.

Either way, it doesn't actually change your position on the leaderboard. Oh, no. Am I last? I wouldn't put it that way. I'd say you did take the longest time, but you were right behind Brandon and David Blaine. Yeah. Oh, okay. So David Blaine, a noted fast typist.

Yeah. 8.8 seconds. A through Z. And Brandon had a 9.44. Who was the fastest? So the fastest was, we have our top three. Tom Scott stepped up here and said, I will win this. And he did.

And he had 3.55 seconds. Oh, my God. I know. Shocking us all. What? Yeah. No one's ever been even close. Cleo Abram got 4.2 and Quinn of Snazzy Labs got 4.4.

No one's gone under four seconds other than Tom Scott. Wow. I've never taken pride in my typing speed okay i literally did it for fun i got 3.8 that's weird okay but i have like that's insulting that is so mean yeah i shouldn't i just failed and that's what you're gonna say i didn't even realize wow i didn't even realize i'm so good at this here's the thing i feel like typing the alphabet is so much harder than like one of the than type racer where you're typing words yes like yeah like words per

minute people just type in home row and just like andrew types some absurd like 100 words per minute or something like that yeah but on this but on this 5.24 somewhere in the middle yeah i also was looking at my keyboard and i wonder if looking at the letters would have been better. I don't know where I'm looking. I guess I'm looking at the letters. I think I'm looking at the screen. Either way, you just learned something new about yourself.

I knew that. Next time someone asks how fast you type the alphabet, you'll have an answer. I'll be like, oh, I've never tried that. Maybe I'll give it a go. I'm going to practice. Watch out. Next time I see you. If we can bring you back and have you like smash your old score, that would be incredible.

I mean, I'd hope I smash it so low that, you know. I think there's no question. Only up from here. Exactly. Actually, that's like where I like to start things. So I feel good. Set the bar and then just keep leapfrogging it. Put it on the floor. Bury it underground.

And then you'll always get over it. Right over the top. either becca thanks for joining us on the pod we appreciate you you're welcome back anytime and of course we'll be uh we'll be watching if people want to find you online obviously your youtube channel where can people find you uh i would say i'm a big youtube first and foremost uh instagram next my stories is just a little look into my life. I'm launching Patreon. That'll be launched by the time this comes out. So join me on Patreon. We're gonna do a lot more behind the scenes kind of, you know, how everything gets made there. Yeah. That's my main spot. Instagram, Patreon, YouTube. Awesome. Becca Versace. Links below. It's like Versace, but far away. Far-sa-chi. Versace. Oh, nice. How many times have you had to say that? Unless.

That's great. I need a cool way to explain spelling my name, and it's nowhere near as cool as, it's like Versace, but far away. That's a bar. What is Versace? Versace? What?

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