Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Google Creating Their Own SoC? What Are the Benefits of an EV Pickup Truck?

Episode Date: April 9, 2021

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features then we've got a little q a chatting with you guys and a little retro tech teaser. I might say a little more than I'm supposed to, but it's a good one. Buckle up. All right, so right off the top, LG Mobile has officially been cut off. It's officially over. The official official.

Officially official. We talked about it a couple of times previously, like, well, looks like LG might be shutting down. And we've gone over this topic, but now we have an official statement from LG. The writing was on the wall, but now it is official out there moving on. They'll be focusing on other things. And we did a video on why, which I thought was a sort of an appropriate end to put a bow on it of why we think, you know, LG didn't really have much of a reputation. And now we know that they needed a reputation to survive.

Yeah. And in the smartphone industry, they have a fantastic reputation when it comes to displays, especially. I honestly think they're the leading display manufacturer. And obviously appliances, they're huge. And didn't it even say they were looking at focusing on like EV battery technology and stuff like that? Electric vehicle components is on the list. I don't know if that just means screens or what other type of stuff they have in mind. But I feel like when they say growth areas, making screens in electric cars is probably a growth area. So, yeah. There's no doubt.

It's a business decision. That's basically what we came down to at the end of the day for our video is like, all right. There are a bunch of different things LG does. Appliances, screens, all right, there are a bunch of different things LG does, appliances, screens, televisions, whatever else. And sometimes you're able to subsidize a losing business with a business that makes money. I'm sure washers and dryers are doing great for them. And maybe they're using some of that money to put into development of some things that lose money for them. And I guess after a while, smartphones just kept losing money for so long

that they didn't really see themselves becoming competitive again and turning that into a winning business. And so it was over. There's lots of other small stories happening behind the scenes, which are kind of like, oh, well, did they get the fairest treatment?

It seems like they made some pretty underrated phones. Maybe their review should have been more positive. Maybe people should have sold and shared their phones more. At the end of the day, I think it comes down to what LG was doing or not doing for the most part. They didn't really have too much of a memorable marketing presence for the past decade of smartphones. We went back for this video. We're researching and watching a lot of old LG phone ads.

It was interesting. Yeah. They didn't do a great job. I mean, I think a perfect example is we had to go back and look at them because none of us remembered them. Yeah, right. It would be hard to remember.

Like even with OnePlus, you know, hashtag never settle is a thing. And you know, the flagship killer thing that they've been like trying to push on people. With LG, aside from the stuff that you hear from reviewers, like what a great quad DAC and what an underrated phone, what do you hear from LG? And the answer was not much.

And that kind of felt like it was just another appliance to them. So definitely watch that video. It's worth checking out if you want us to uncover that whole story. I feel like we did a good job. And I'm a little biased, but there's some other good ones out there. Also, Mr. Mobile did a more retrospective look at a bunch of great LG moments over the years. Fun fact, my first ever smartphone was LG Voyager. If that's the first ever smartphone I had one too, I actually, I broke it in a way I never thought was possible.

Same. Okay, let's compare stories. Okay, yeah, definitely. So I was, um, I was at a devil's game and going back to my friend's apartment cause he was going to school in NGIT. I had to go to the bathroom so bad. I was running off the subway, tripped over a curb, slammed into the ground, knew that I damaged my phone somehow, but I had to go to the bathroom, get to the bathroom, go look at my phone. The outside screen is completely shattered. And I think to myself, whatever, I can still use it. The inside screen will be fine. Open it up and just pieces of glass

fall out of the inside of the phone. And I managed to shatter both screens in one trip. That is impressive. We have a curb in common with our story. I got out of, my vague memory is I got out of a taxi cab in New York City and you know how your phone will like kind of slide out of your pocket slowly if you sit in the car long enough? Yeah. So it had been sliding out of my pocket. As I got out of the car, the phone fell out of my pocket, landed on the curb and I immediately stepped on the phone onto the curb, which kind of like snapped the hinge and left like exposed wires. Oh no. It still worked, but it was obviously like the end of that phone.

Yeah. Definitely messed it up on the curb. Speaking of phones sliding out of pocket, what was that one phone that like, do you remember it got leaked because it slipped out of somebody's pocket on stage? That was like an iPhone, wasn't it? Okay, so after like a couple minutes of searching here i i finally found what i was

talking about i'm glad i'm not going crazy um tim cook was doing an interview at oxford and his iphone 10 like literally fell completely out of his pocket like almost like it was scripted it like slides out and you can see the new camera and like the apple logo and everything and then it just falls on he takes a look at it and just like puts it face down oh i'm just watching it now oh he just he knows and he looks around like did anybody else see that i hope nobody else saw that but there's a camera facing right there so that like man i miss leaks that were funny or something like that not just like someone on Twitter giving the entire thing away in one tweet Yeah, I don't know how I forget. This is perfect

This is like the greatest leak of all time literally Tim Cook sitting on stage the new phone falls out of his pocket And he looks around awkwardly hoping no one saw that's perfect That's how I want all leaks to be and like the 10 was Different enough on the back because it went to the horizontal double camera instead of the verticals or the sorry Sorry, it went to the vertical double camera rather than the horizontal so it's very obviously something that hasn't been seen before wow it's only iphone 10 was when we were still not getting crazy leaks i guess yeah it's kind of funny that change that he just walks around with the new unreleased phone in his pocket like he just goes on stage with it probably just walks

around apple campus doesn't think too much of it. He's just using testing phones. I'm surprised there's not like a case on it or something to throw somewhat of a scent off. But yeah, I wonder if all Apple employees test their new phones with no case, naked phone. Like pre-release? Like what? Oh man, I feel like there's probably a, like a rule that you can't do that. That seems way too ever since the phone got left behind in that bar. I don't think there's any chance anyone at Apple is allowed to like go that far without with an unreleased phone. These days, there's the whole business of like camouflaging phones in large, like, you know, super bulbous cases. So you can't see the designs. Like when OnePlus sent the OnePlus 9 Pro to me early,

like super early for camera testing, it was in this huge case and I wasn't allowed to look at or know about the design, which was hilarious because days later they leaked essentially. I think by the time we had it, there were leaks out already. Leaks were out, but they share their own designs.

So it was kind of funny that I was holding the phone in this case, unable to know what it looks like, but also looking at pictures of it on the internet. It was kind of great. That's funny, though. Good job. Tim Cook, I hope you keep carrying around new iPhones and having them flat out your pocket. It's beautiful.

All right, so speaking of giant tech companies, Google has a rumor in the new—I'm bad at transitions. I'm sorry. There's a rumor— Five's a rumor. Thank you. There's a Google Pixel 6 rumor. And the rumor goes like this. It's from 9to5Google saying Pixel 6 will be powered by the new Google made Whitechapel chip that will also power a future Chromebook. So Google Silicon is in the news. GS 101 is the name of the chip. And essentially we're looking forward to possibly Google making their own chip in the Pixel, enabling maybe matching sort of Apple levels of performance

and vertical integration. Sounds like a great idea. I think matching Apple Silicon is probably the headline everyone wants to hear and probably will be thrown around, but I don't know if we can go quite that far. Maybe not in the first gen. Yeah, not first gen. But I'm excited for it to happen. One, because just like more competition is really cool. That's why we're mad LG's gone. But it does make a lot of sense because weren't we just reading something that Chromebooks

are like one of the most popular laptops, laptops out there or Chrome OS is becoming one of the most popular laptops out there, or Chrome OS is becoming one of the most popular operating systems. And that's because there's hundreds of thousands of them outside in every school you could ever think of. And while maybe to the consumer tech people, they're not sprouting up like a MacBook or whatever, but they're out there. And if Google can create their own chip to power all of these, it makes perfect sense. So why not also then be able to put in a phone? I think this is a big deal.

I think it is. I think it's a big deal for the phone, especially. The reason is we've expected for so long, like Nexus's and Pixel's to be that perfect level of like Android as it was intended optimization. And to an extent, they can do that because Google designs the hardware around the software. They can make a phone with hardware features that match what's going on inside of Android. Things like squeezing, things like, you know, dragging up from the corner. All the hardware can be perfectly

matched to the software. But the one thing they could never perfectly match was just an off-the-shelf chip from Qualcomm. It's not going to be perfectly optimized for the way Android is written because Qualcomm makes a ton of stuff. They make a ton of chips. They make chips that they know are going to be in Android phones but also other stuff.

So when Apple's over here in one corner making the software and the hardware and designing the chips and the optimization is amazing. I think if Google can hire the right team and make the right investments and design chips that get made specifically for Pixel, they can ideally achieve a pretty impressive optimization. And we see benefits for things like performance and battery life. I don't know if it'll be A15 level optimization right off the bat.

Apple's been doing it for a long time, but I think it's a big deal for Pixel to even start off on that path. Yeah, I mean, all we ever talk about when you're comparing, it's almost hard at this point to compare iOS and Android devices because the huge benefit to iOS

is exactly what you said, the just complete functionality because they make literally everything inside of it. So the fact that we're even just getting another step closer to that becoming something on Android is amazing. It's just like, it's really cool to think about. Do I think they're going to pull it off perfectly right away? Probably not. But I think we'll definitely see benefits in the first iteration of it and while the pixel lineup hasn't had the best success I think the pixel 5 kind of settled down to what

they knew they were good at and they they did that I know we're all sad that there's no excel version or there was no flagship level of it but I think they needed to take that step back and kind of find their their not even niche but just find what they were good at. Do it correctly. No more solely, no more bathtub notch on the top of it. They just found their hardware. They found everything that was good about it. I think the Pixel 5 is a great phone.

I'm excited and hoping that this will now make the next step towards Pixel becoming a flagship line again. Yeah. And some good competition. Here's the other interesting storyline in this is Google makes Android and they make an Android phone. And a lot of other companies also make competing Android phones. So I've thought about this a little bit and I think I've asked another person at a company this,

but when you make the software and you have competing OEMs, Google has had to like walk this fine line of being a competitor in this ecosystem that they've built, where the Pixel as an Android phone has sort of the same level of access to Google features and Google software as all the rest of Android phones. And this takes it off of that equal playing field when you get to design your own silicon and design android around that silicon yeah you have a unique advantage and a competitive advantage that can kind of turn some of these oems against you like what do you mean you're gonna make your own like this is an unfair advantage that you're giving yourself and i wonder how they've thought about that because i if, look, for me, I feel like that's a win because the Pixel just got better.

But when you think about like, if you're a competitor, if you're a Samsung, do you think, oh, now we better not use Android anymore. We better design our own OS and our own silicon so we can compete. I don't know how the market reacts or how Google thinks about this, but I do feel like that's pretty substantial. I think it's also interesting because we've heard talks of other smartphone manufacturers creating their own software or operating system, right? Haven't we've heard rumors of Samsung doing it. We've heard rumors of Huawei doing it.

Is this going to be, I mean, it's far along. I mean, we don't really know, I guess. We don't know how far into testing it is. And we've just been living Android iOS for so long. We can't really think that far about it, but would this be the push? Because why would you want to continue to compete on the system that now another phone has a giant upper hand on you with? Or does Google balance that? Are they going to take advantage of it in certain ways in optimization, but they still have to now focus on making sure Samsung, Huawei, whoever, any other Android of their

competitors, they need to also, they're also making them money. It's a very weird situation. Yeah, it's an interesting relationship. As far as I know in the past, you know, the Pixel team would get access to AOSP at the same time every other Android manufacturer did. It wasn't like there was any sort of early, I think there were other phones that launched with versions of Android before the Pixel because they just had access at the same time. There wasn't any special treatment or any unfair advantage. So it's just,

just curious to me, like what's going to happen when there's like no more reason not to buy a Pixel when the Pixel has the best performance, the best battery life, and the best cameras, then what happens? It'll be cool to see. It'd be nice if Pixel could get that way because they're a far away way right now. Exactly. Well, this is a step in the right direction for Google

and we'll see how the rest react. Someone's still on a Pixel 4. I'm really hoping that they step it up. For sure. We're going to get to Q&A in a little bit, but I also wanted to talk a little bit but i also wanted to talk a little bit about evs because it's way for them and of course it's what we do why not but uh there's i had a thought recently and i just wanted to put it out there in the universe and

maybe you'll have some reactions to this let's just start with a thought okay and that theory is eventually all cars sold will be electric. That's like where this theory starts, right? Now, in order to get all cars electric, you actually have to make a bunch of different types of electric cars that have a bunch of different types of advantages to going electric. So right now we have sports cars, we have sedans, we have crossovers, we have pickup trucks, we have vans, we have all these different things. And right now there's a gas version of all of these and they all attack that niche a different way. And I think in the very beginning of electric cars, because we only have like five or six, we only have like Tesla and Rivian and like three or four other existing made electric cars. We all sort of compare them to everything, but I think we're going to start to see much more

focused niche versions of electric cars that actually attack like their specific markets. So Cybertruck, for example, is specifically an electric pickup truck, and it has to win at things like towing capacity, at like versatility, clearance, range, storage, where an electric sports car might have to attack a totally different audience where it has to have performance and driving dynamics and has to attack weight and handling. So I say all this because Mercedes EQS is coming up and a bunch of things have leaked and we're actually working on our own piece about it.

You'll see it soon. But I think it's the perfect category to go straight to electric right now and beat the gas version, which is a big luxury sedan. It's just a huge car, just a big four sedan. It's just a huge car. Just a big four-door, like lots of space,

lots of storage, quiet, drives like a boat, doesn't have to be sporty. Yeah, it's like the- And the buyer, the buyer who buys that like Mercedes S-Class

would love this electric version because it's better in every way. It's more storage. It's quieter since they love cabin quietness it drives a little bit better because it's just a big electric battery and two motors and it's just got all the tech in the world it feels like uh like if you're comparing the eqs to like a model s it's like comparing a yacht to a uh like speedboat yeah like in you feel

like you're inside a yacht in there or you're inside a fancy hotel. The driving experience is probably like, I mean, a Tesla is going faster as far as I remember exactly. I mean, all electric cars are fast. I think that's really going to be the biggest difference when all these people are going from gas to electric is they're going to realize even the like, quote unquote, lower models of EV cars are just quick they're all just so quick i drive like a pretty little kind of sporty impresa and it's slow it is very slow any literally any electric car would blow that thing out of the water like absolutely nothing yeah so that makes me curious so now okay so you so imagine if you wanted to go electric if subaru had to make an electric version to get you to switch to electric specifically could they

do it now and my answer is probably okay let's say we take the same body we put batteries in you probably get a little bit more space especially in the center maybe a little bit of a bigger trunk it's still a hatchback it's going to be quieter that might not really matter so much to you it's probably a little sportier because it's obviously electric but you know in that specific buy people look for clearance off-road ability versatility with charging i think like if subaru wanted to hammer out a like a niche for an electric version it would have to really focus on like range mostly range because like they're known as these like kind of offer. And the great thing about it, it would have to have

dual motor because like Subaru is 100% minus their BRZ behind all wheel drive. Like that is their shtick. It is. That's the main reason I bought it. It's like the, one of the better all wheel drives you could buy at like one of the cheapest price points. And we get some nasty snow here every once in a while. So it would have to have dual motors and it'd have to have a crazy range. And then, like you said, storage space. People generally buy those because they can go off. No one's really going off-roading, but you know, you can go camping. You don't have to worry about potholes or anything.

Like that's the niche you would carve out. Yeah. out potholes or anything like that's that's the niche you would carve out yeah so often i feel like the sportiness of electric vehicles is like the best and worst thing about them because people see that an electric version is sporty and they immediately go to start comparing it to sports cars where they get caught up in oh it doesn't have the same soul or the same character or the same driving dynamics it's never i don't i want to I don't want to say never, but it's not really winning at being a sports car. Sports cars are still kind of untouched right now.

I mean, we had the Rimac Concept 1, which is kind of a hyper car type thing, but even a Model 3 isn't quite keeping up with a lot of the things people like sports cars for. It's close. It's very sporty, but there are sports cars that just are untouched by Model 3. I think that's what's fun about it, though, is you can have a car that feels like your regular car, or even better, you can have a Model Y or a Model X that is like a family car. You can put your kids in it. They're very safe. You can lug groceries around. But you know, if you're by yourself and you just want to floor it, you can, and it's can lug groceries around. But you know, if you're by yourself

and you just want to floor it, you can. And it's a lot of fun and you don't sacrifice that by getting a quote unquote family car. This is like, imagine if like 20 years ago when minivans were the big thing, if you could say like, yeah, you know, you have to trade in your Camaro for a minivan, but it does zero to 60 in 3.5.

And you'd be like, all right, it's a little fun every once in a while. You know what it is? It's the ultimate distraction. Every electric vehicle is somewhat faster and sportier, and it is kind of distracting sometimes. Like the Lucid Air. Remember?

Like this Lucid, when we sat in the back of the Lucid Air, you're in like the back of a limo. It's really- Like it's a glass ceiling. It's ultra luxury, massaging, reclining, jetliner seats. And Lucid's out here making drag race videos. Like zero to 60 and 1200 horsepower matter to someone in a limo. Like it's such a distraction.

Now with a Tesla, it makes sense because they're kind of leaning into it. Like they're building plaid and a roadster and they're getting into that sporty demographic. But like Cybertruck, I don't really care if it's fast. You're saying it's like a marketing distraction where everyone's way too focused on it when we should just understand that all of these are very quick. That's cool. But like only a couple of them have really are attracting the people who care about that zero to 60 time.

Maybe it's time to start pushing the marketing on something else and then being the reason that's why people buy that EV. Be better at other things. Yes, you're going to be quicker, but if that's the only thing you're leaning into that's better about your electric version, that's not actually sometimes why people are buying the electric version. If the EQS was just an S-Class but faster, it wouldn't have nearly the same appeal. I think it's because it's quieter, it's more cabin space and all these other things. That's what makes it a better version from going electric. Yeah. It's a distraction. It's exactly why though we created that Tesla Love J project. And like, I think the reason people still argue that we only won that

because of views, which, uh, I don't know how they voted for it, but I, the whole thought process behind that was here is a car that can do every single thing a regular car can do. But oh wait, if you want to drag race a Lamborghini with the Christmas tree and some groceries in the backseat, you can still do that. And that's what made that fun. It's kind of like why I've said, I think I've said on this podcast that Model S

is kind of like the overall best possible daily driver is because it's so versatile and it does kind of everything. It has a huge amount of storage compared to every other car it has excellent performance compared to every other car it has the best range of any other electric car like it's just at the top of so many lists i think it's the safest car in the world like when you put all those things into one car it's kind of undeniable but if you're just trying to get like a little two-door like if you drive a smart car you don't care about half that stuff.

If I told you you could have a hatchback with like X cubic feet of storage, you'd be like, no, I just want to park in the tiny spot on my street. Was it Kyle, the guy that did the cannonball race? Is he the one telling us the BMW i3? That's the little one, right? The i4. No, are you sure?

Is i4 VW? ID 4 is VW. ID 4. i8 is the sedan. i3 is the small one. Yeah, it's surprisingly good, right? Yeah, he said he loved it. He said it's a really fun little car.

And exactly, those people who drive that don't care about a 0-60 time. It's because it's such a distraction. It's right next to the i8 in the store. And everyone goes, well, what's this little i4? Oh, it doesn't go quite as fast, but it's like an electric version. And people ignore it. It's actually really good. People don't care about the Nissan Sentra if it's sitting on the showroom next to the GTR.

Exactly. Speaking of though, like if we want to go into a niche, I feel like we've seen a couple headlines of pickup trucks coming up and I really feel like that's the next big area that EV needs to hit. You mentioned it a little bit before about Cybertruck,

but we're seeing, so we're seeing an Hummer come out soon, but they're also going to release a truck version. I have a thought about that. That has nothing to do with EV, but there's also now a rumor of a Silverado coming out. And then we, the Rivian truck, which we've heard about. And then we keep hearing about the Ford F-150.

So it seems like people are trying to go into pickup trucks. My first thought on the Hummer one is, I really dislike when SUVs, they try and turn them into pickup trucks. My first thought on the Hummer one is I really dislike when SUVs, they try and turn them into pickup trucks. I think they look terrible. I hate the Jeep pickup truck. I am really sorry if someone's offended by that because I know there are people who love it. I agree with you on that. I'll back you. I just think it looks off. They look weird. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not a huge fan. So I don't like how the Hummer one looks. I kind of like the Hummer EV despite not loving Hummers. My thought process on the pickup trucks now is, okay, they're going electric. What do pickup

truck people and pickup truck buyers really care about? That's what they have to win at. Now, I'm not a pickup truck owner. So for me, this is like me reading other pickup truck reviews and watching other videos. I think Zach, Jerry Rig Everything did a video a while ago. And I remember watching that and just leaving with the thought of, oh, that's not me at all. Like you'd be like, oh, I could just, I can just carry lumber whenever I want to. I'm like, why would I ever do that? But there are people who just want to be able to carry huge things. Sometimes I've got a bunch of rocks in my truck. I don't know why, but I have a pickup truck. So this is why I have, I need to be able to have this type of space. That's the type of stuff electric pickup trucks have to do better than gas pickup trucks.

So more towing capacity, I think, is one. Yeah, towing capacity is going to be huge, I think. The size of the bed, I guess, is another one. Durability of the bed. So what I do find interesting with Rivian is when you have a pickup truck, the bed is generally uncovered. If you have four people in that pickup truck, you don't have a pickup truck, the bed is generally uncovered. If you have four people in that pickup truck, you don't have a lot of space in the cabin anymore, but you started getting a little extra storage in different places. Like, you know, Rivian has that weird, it's almost like

underneath the back seats, but accessible from the outside. Yep. That's a, that's a key one though. That's specifically a thing that is a win for electric trucks because that's a, that's a thing that gas trucks can't do because the drive train goes straight through that section. win for electric trucks because that's a thing that gas trucks can't do because the drivetrain goes straight through that section. So the electric truck, boom, more storage because there is no axle that has to go from the front to the back. Yeah, and also just think about like the front trunk of most, like a Ford F-150 or a 250 is gigantic

because there's a huge motor in it because they're usually like V8s or V10s in them. Now you have that as trunk space instead. Extra storage. You were getting a bunch of extra storage in that. You were just talking about quickly like the weight of it and potentially rollover. But like if you,

a lot of trucks struggle with four wheel drive because when they have an empty back, they don't have enough weight to the back wheels. But if you have a battery pack, we all know EVs are like the heaviest cars. So you're always guaranteeing you're going to have enough traction. That's actually kind of, that's actually kind of brilliant. Yeah. I mean, so there are definitely some things, I'm sorry if you're a truck person and you're just

like arguing at everything we said out loud, because neither of us drive trucks. I don't drive trucks. I do think there's a huge advantage to having the bed of a pickup truck. I've debated it before. I think every time I try and fit something in the back of my car, even with it being a hatchback, I'm just going, this doesn't fit. Yeah, it's never happened to me. It seems never. Never. Never had like a piece of furniture.

You're going to get there eventually. I guess. eventually i guess i've ordered a table and a couch online but i've up until literally up to the nine foot christmas tree that we got in the studio everything has fit in the back of my car i go biking and my entire two bikes fit in the back of my car so yeah it's been pretty good so far solid i remember trying to buy a desk off craigslist once and having to drive home with like poorly tied hanging out of the back of my trunk. But yeah, but there's people also specifically who use trucks for work

that I think is a whole nother thing where like they are constantly bringing materials back and forth places that they need. For sure. The truck for work. I think that's Cybertrucks going after. Like I feel like people keep forgetting that the whole Cybertruck design

is partially like it's just wild. And I'm sure there's something behind that. Like this is eye catching. It's going to cause headlines. But the whole point of that is that it's like a very easily created body type. And they want to mass produce those mostly for working companies. So you buy a fleet of them. And in that fleet, you can buy them and they can push them out super fast.

Yeah, it's definitely a it's definitely a part manufacturing decision. But also, it's just kind of this like brutalist, overly functional design. Like it doesn't have to be pretty. If you get a pickup truck for work, I'm sure most people aren't buying their favorite pickup truck to drive for work. They're getting the one that's big enough to fit the ladder they always need or the couple things that they always carry to work. So I feel like that's something to consider. But hey, again, if storage space is a benefit in the electric version and they can keep leaning into that, then they can keep winning that battle. Yeah. I even wonder about outlets and stuff like that for potentially using power tools or charging batteries on the job like that. Yeah, it's not

something that the gas versions can't do or even can't but you have to keep them running to do it exactly so i feel like having a huge battery makes it obviously a no-brainer to put a bunch of outlets in the back and things like that makes a lot of sense i think when battery tech gets really really good and we're fitting two to three times the size of batteries we have now in some of these trucks are gonna like really prevail and have huge huge benefits over gas here Here's an idea. What if I could get an ATV and then I could drive the ATV into the trunk of the truck and then it charges the electric ATV?

That would only be great if it had glass that was so strong it could kind of stop me throwing a giant metal ball at it, but not really. Yeah, yeah, that would be a perfect combo right there. That sounds pretty sick, I'd buy that. I'd probably call it like the Cybertruck or something. Okay, yeah, let's take a quick break. there. That sounds pretty sick. I'd buy that. I'd probably call it like the Cybertruck or something. Okay, yeah. Let's take a quick break.

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All right, welcome back. Time for a little bit of Q&A. We like to do this on the podcast once in a while just because we're keeping in touch with you guys, and we can answer tweets every so often, but this is a fun way to just catch up and talk about what's fun in tech. And there's always some stuff going on in the tech world,

so we asked you what you wanted to know, and we have a bunch of questions here. We can just go back and forth and read them if you find a good one. There's also, there's one right off the top from Austin Evans that I'll just, I'll just have to answer. Just get that out of the way. I'll just have to get it out the way. Austin says, what's the next channel slash project you want to tackle? Austin, I can't tell you our blueprint, man.

This is, this is top secret information. Obviously, we're working on stuff. But if I told you, I'd have to kill you. this is uh i'll dm you how about that also we're turning marquez into a vtuber and hiring ken to do all of it i told you not to give out our blueprint sorry sorry it's a blueprint all right i have one here all right chaz asks how goes the fitness challenge the fitness challenge we talked about it a few episodes ago where we're all wearing Apple Watches and trying to do some challenges. I think it's going pretty good. I have been wearing,

I wear my Apple Watch every day, so I don't really have to think too hard about it. My main challenge is always like getting in some type of workout and making sure it counts my points. But for you guys, you also have to like think about making sure you remember to wear the watch

because not everybody wears one every day. So that's an extra part of the challenge for you. Yeah, I've like forgot. Well, we originally were only doing it for March. And then we like kind of slacked in the middle because we were doing only the Apple Watch challenges. And since you have to wait a day after you you do like a week long challenge, but then you have to wait a day. So it kept like getting staggered and we couldn't just do the whole month. So we would have times where people would just forget their watches.

I would go like three days without my watch. And then just like, if you forget it early in the week, you just give up on the week, which is kind of points to the fact that we all care way more about the challenge and less about the health benefits. Don't give up on the week.

The whole week, you gotta keep going. I mean, man, mean man i think about the point where i just want a better excuse to not work out and play valorant instead but um apple watch just needs a video game workout that's what they really need it might not be as many points but we'd all be accumulating lots of workout it would be nice we have been trying though we're trying this month app, which I'm pretty sure Chaz is the one who recommended it to us. Okay. But it lets you do like a month-long challenge. We're still trying to figure a few things out. We would like to be able to set the point system a little differently,

but for the most part, I think we're going to give that a shot in April and see what happens. Yeah, it's going pretty well. If I had any requests for the Challenges app, it still caps you at a limit in points per day. We really just want to do unlimited point challenges. Yeah, I think unlimited makes it like you don't just try and hit a certain thing

or you don't like, there are days where I'm like, there's no way I can hit the max points today, so I just don't care anymore. And that's a terrible way to look at it. Yeah, it creates a weird behavior when there's a maximum points where like if you're at almost the maximum then you're like incentivized to do a little more to hit the max so that you can't get caught but if there is no max then it almost I feel like it makes you a little more honest about

just doing as much as you can every day if you do a big workout you do a big workout yeah if you do a small walk you need a small walk but the the 600 point system on the apple watch or on this challenges app it's a 98 point system it still gets capped at the end of the day and when you get near that cap you kind of just stop doing things it will be i'm thinking of like right now just in this conversation two things i would love to see in some sort of like fitness wearable challenge thing. One, I would love to be able to not to use something other than an Apple Watch, just like an app that can take the information from an Apple Watch, a Garmin, any smartwatch pretty much. I guess the big thing stopping that

is stand hours on Apple Watch because I don't know of that. Like my Garmin doesn't have stand hours, but it still does steps and it still does heart rate and all that stuff. So it should be able to compare notes, I guess, if like there was a main app it fed it to and then the app could be the one challenging things. Yeah. The second thing that just talking right now made me think is like, what if you didn't see the updates of how many points you had during the day? You just worked out. It said, congrats, you did a the day. You just worked out. It said, great. Congrats. You did a workout, blah, blah, blah. And then at the end of the day, then it showed you how you did versus everyone else in the points. So then you weren't just constantly gunning for beating one person or whoever gets to work out the latest can try and beat the person ahead of them. That

way you just do what you think was like a good workout for the day, train hard. And then at the end of it, you see like, oh, I did the best today. Oh, I'm pretty proud of what I did. But Brandon did better than I did. I see where you're coming from. It does seem better for your mental health to not be watching the leaderboard all day. But that is half of what motivates me is looking at the points and seeing I'm 100 points behind and I need to do something about it. And then I do the workout. Like if I'm just sitting there and I don't know what my points are and I think, oh, I'm tired.

Well, other people are tired too. I'm not gonna do anything about it. But if I see like the numbers when you're gamifying the system and you can see the points tallying in real time, that's what motivates me. But maybe that's just me. Yeah, I guess you could say

from when we first started this and talked about it, as much as I liked the game back then, I think the game's kicking my butt at this point and i'm not enjoying it quite as much so that's uh i think that's where we'll end the the fitness challenge all right so elmar asks do you ever get bored of tech just for a second and i'm gonna say no really i i literally never get bored because there's too much stuff happening. Even in a quiet week, there's just really cool pieces of tech that exist to use. Like the last three or four months, if I ever get bored of tech, I just turn on the PS5 and I'm not bored of tech. Like there's something happening.

I take the phone out of my pocket and I'm like amazed. It's kind of rare for me to be bored of tech. I feel like, though, I can argue that for you against that. Okay. Because you play Ultimate Frisbee. Ultimate Frisbee, especially on a tournament day, is just like a complete unplug.

You just, and at no point during a tournament are you like, oh man, I really wish I was reading The Verge right now or I really wish I was on my phone scrolling Twitter. Like you have another activity

that is just completely tech unadjacent and you enjoy it and you're fine with that. True. And golf too. But that doesn't make me bored of tech. In that moment, I'm not paying attention to tech, but I definitely wouldn't put that as the same thing as being bored of tech.

I think what he means is like, do you ever wake up and go, ah, another phone. Ah, Another camera? Like, genuinely, every new piece of tech is, it's kind of interesting, even if the piece of tech isn't interesting, thinking about all of the work and all of the strategy and deliberation that went into making that piece of tech is also almost just as interesting. So if you get another piece of tech that ends up seeming kind of similar to the first one, but you see a very different path to arrive there

and a very different intended outcome, even that's interesting. So I don't know. To me, the tech world is too nuanced and too dynamic to get bored of. I guess if that's how you're reading the question, I don't really get bored of tech either. I mean, I just always enjoy reading about it. Like you said, it's always fun to think about. I think the whole reason this podcast started is because you and I really

enjoyed just talking about it every day at work. If I were reading as are there times where I'm just like super happy to do things other than tech? Yes, of course. I love to go hiking. I love to be outdoors. There are times when I'm happy that I'm doing a bunch of things where it's almost impossible to look at my phone or be on my computer and just enjoy things outside of that. Right. Okay. I feel like this one's kind of hard. What do you think the next mobile biometric tech will be? Temperature scanner, odor detector, laser guided weight scale. so just like biometrics in general i guess it doesn't it could be a security thing it could just be a health thing

just biometrics because we've seen we've seen a lot so i feel like i'm going to twist this one a little bit i'm going to twist because he says biometric tech and that's a huge world i don't know if i'm going to pick the next one but i'm gonna just i'm gonna narrow that to what will the next biometric sensor be in a smartphone that's just how i read it to be honest yeah it's like there's a ton of different you know things that can happen in the biotech world but let me just go like biometric sensor in a smartphone and when i think about that they're almost always identity or security related, where like the fingerprint sensor was so you can pick up the phone and your fingerprint is already touching the phone naturally.

And so it just knows who you are and unlocks where an iris scanner is kind of doing the same thing. You just look at the phone. The phone looks back at you, identifies you and unlocks even vein ID. That's kind of what LG was trying to do here is identify you and log you in. And I think in a dream world, it's completely effortless. You pick up the phone however you want

and it just knows it's you. And so when I think about that, I think maybe there's some sort of like, I guess I'm just thinking of fingerprints when I say this, but some sort of like skin ID. You're thinking of the quickest way to lock a phone securely. Yeah. The most easy, convenient way to pick up a phone and the phone already knows it's you. If you look it in the eyes, it looks back at you. I don't, I kind of just think like

we, we picked the right thing. You're either touching the phone or looking at the phone. I don't think you have to get crazy with like breathalyzers or like laser guided weight scales or anything like that. I think it just has to be like, I'm holding the phone, make a huge fingerprint scanner so that I can just sort of touch anywhere on the screen and it knows it's me. Uh, or looking at the phone, it's, it's looking back at me. It sees my face, it sees my eyes, whatever it's looking at. I actually don't think we need any extra different sensors is that a cop-out answer yeah but uh i don't disagree i mean that's the most important thing i think i i think if you want to try and have a little fun with it it's first of all odor detector as someone who forgets to wear deodorant all the time especially after the pandemic. The phone just knows. I would love that.

But I can see something. Remind me if this has been tried or is different, but imagine that now Iris scanner is helping you scroll through your phone as you're reading an article and you're not even touching your phone anymore. It is now. So did they try and do that?

Or I remember there was a Samsung that did it. It wouldn't turn the screen off if it assumed you were looking. So there's a Samsung phone that would identify when you were looking at the phone and keep the screen on. And then you could tilt the phone up or down vertically. It would scroll along whatever you were reading. So if you're in a browser, you're looking at the phone, you tilt, scrolls down. Smart. Yeah. But yeah. When you're teaching people new gestures, I feel like that's when it gets tougher. So even when I started going to the new Android gestures from like the original buttons on the bottom, despite how much better that was and how much I love it now, it's always hard to change at first. So if you can start creating things that are just completely natural, like, hey, I'm at the bottom of this page or like even, hey, I'm at the middle of the page.

Can you keep the scrolling up with like how fast I'm reading? So my eyes are just locked in at a line the whole time. That seems interesting to me. Interesting. I have no idea how we do it, but this is a Twitter question that we're allowed to just dream about. I think I think someday maybe it will get that good where you can use eye trackers and see where people are looking on the page. And when they arrive at the bottom, if they haven't scrolled with their thumb yet, just

do it for them. Adam just told us the S4 had a head tilting, like eye lock scrolling something. That sounds pretty brutal. I was going to say, but before you even said, I think there was a feature, I was just going to blurt out, Samsung probably tried it, and I was right. All right, so I got a question here. This is a little more gear-oriented, but Chandler wants to know, how often are you shooting with the Komodo?

Is it only in situations where portability and weight benefit, or has it become a replacement for any in-studio gear? I rarely use Komodo, but yes, I do use it when weight and specifically compact size are benefit, which often is just when you're in a really small place like a car. And a lot of times when I'm shooting a roll in a car, we will get the Monstro sort of into the corner of the car because we'll put it on a tripod

and it'll sit there and we're not driving. But beyond that, if I just need to shove a camera like really into the corner of a car or behind me in a car over my shoulder, then yeah, Komodo is pretty great for that. But Monstro is surprisingly versatile. We try not to use GoPros as much as possible. Nothing against them, just like in comparison to the other footage we're generally using for video, it doesn't match up quite as well.

So we've attached like when we have to suction cup something to a car, we'll throw like an A7 on there. And even that, especially with Sony lenses gets really front heavy. And the amount of times we've like hit a pothole because we're in North Jersey and the lens just like creates the whole camera just swing down and not hold up. But it was, it was really cool when we had to take in for the first time ever to be able to suction cup mount a red camera onto a car to get like really really nice footage too it also helps that it was on the completely glass roof which is a lot easier to suction cup onto than when you have the windshield which

starts getting really tight with the uh the front dash but yeah a lot of these cars coming out with glass roofs it's sort of the perfect yeah excuse to put a Komodo behind me. We also need to take a picture of how we like jam the tripod and Monstro in the passenger seat when you're doing car A-roll. It's really funny. It's really tight too. Oh my God. All right. This is a funny question.

So in a strange turn of events, this is like a Freaky Friday situation. You become Tim Cook. You just replaced Tim Cook for a day what change or a new project would you do with your single day in office

you get 24 hours as Tim Cook if I 24 hours as the CEO of Apple I don't know if I would have time to even think of something

because I would just be exploring every nook and cranny of Apple Park and every restricted access piece in there possible. But if I want to actually answer the question, I would make fitness challenges available cross-platform on Android devices,

which would be miserable for the company. Oh, that's not where I thought you were going. Interesting. I thought you were going to go like no limits, multiple group challenges. Just take our whole previous question and add that to this one, except now I'm Tim Cook. Nice.

You're just like, hey, get me my assistant, make challenges open. While I go wander around Apple Park. Also, where's the iPhone? I think if I woke up as Tim Cook for a day, I would immediately try to figure out, I want to see the long-term plans. And I don't know who to talk to about that. I don't know if I just intercom to figure out like, I wanna see the long-term plans. And I don't know who to talk to about that.

I don't know if I just intercom someone and be like, hey, show me the plans. I think Tim, I think you're the one who has those plans. They're probably in my computer. I'll just go through the files. But like, it's always fascinating to me when you're in a position as the CEO of a huge tech company. I've said this before, but you're almost by definition

required to have some vision of how you're almost by definition required to have some vision of how you're going to steer this boat. You happen to be at the controls and there's a thousand horsepower and a thousand people behind you all pedaling and doing what you say and iterating and making things day by day. But you have to steer this boat somewhere instead of just driving in circles. And so I kind of want to know what people like Tim Cook have as their vision for Apple in 10 years. They're the only one with a real answer to that question.

We can all ask like, oh, there'll be VR, there'll be AR stuff. Apple's going to have like a phone with no ports and the screen's going to be the only thing on the phone. But only people within Apple really know the answer to that question. So I'd want to look at those plans. Yeah. I feel like this question is supposed to be asking like what fun changes would we do to Apple? But honestly, there's just too many other

things I would like to find out about Apple. I'd wire a YouTuber a trillion dollars. Well, I was going to say I would cash out all of my stock and send it to Claire. And then when I switch back into my regular body, you'd be like, what are all these headlines about Tim Cook wiring you all this money? That's so weird. What happened? Yeah, no, that'd be a fun time. All right, here's one for you. What's a video you've always wanted to create,

but because of what you're known for, obviously tech and everything, you thought it wouldn't do well or fit on the channel? Interestingly, the more camera reviews I watch, the more I see people reviewing cameras that are specifically really great for like documentary style stuff. And the more it makes me want to go shoot a documentary

with Monstro. Is this like a criminal documentary? Is this a nature documentary? It's kind of like event-based, open-ended. It would be cool to be behind the scenes of Google I.O. or a Super Bowl type thing or a concert where there could be a bunch of shooters all behind the scenes interviewing and literally the behind the scenes of how something like that happens. And there's almost no way for me to put that together. I don't know if it's because of the

channel or because of like the, the breadth of cameras and shooters needed and how long that would take to edit. And by the time it comes out, the event happened months ago and it's like almost pointless to make the video, but I kind of just want to make it and just have that experience. You know, it's funny because that wouldn't work on the channel just because of the pure effort and everything and like time that it would take but in terms of the actual video that would probably fit on the channel perfectly interesting like i would kill you mentioning that though i would love to be part of some like really cool wildlife documentary like i don't know it sounds kind of cool camping out in some like little camouflaged hut to try and get the the super long shot of a like snow leopard that hasn't

been seen in three years okay that's a i had an idea you know we have to do so you know how every time we watch planet earth we're like how how do they get that shot? How do they actually get that shot? I would love to see slash make an entire feature-length film on how planet Earth gets their shots. So literally like the drone shots where they fly through like hordes of birds and locusts. The time lapses of like a flower coming up through like an iceberg as it melts. Like all these crazy shots they think of with animals. I can't believe how many great shots they get. So I would love to watch or make that. I don't know when I saw this. It was a long time ago. I don't

know where I found it. It was on like Amazon prime or something, but I found this documentary that was all about this one guy trying to get the shot of this like super rare tiger in asia or something like that and it was fascinating seeing this like he didn't even like live in a hut it was basically just like a hole that was about as shallow as his body and then like a board over top of it and he like laid in that hole for like three days to shoot this i cannot for the life of me think of what the name of the movie was. And when I look up Tiger documentary, I only get Tiger King and something about Tiger Woods.

So if anybody out there can remember what the name of this documentary is and send it to me, I would be very grateful because I'd love to watch it. But it was similar to that, except it was all about one specific shot, but it's still like an hour long. I would watch like a, like a compilation of like all the people five to ten minute clips of like here's the shot now here's how they made it now here's

the shot now here's how they made it now here's a shot now here's how they tried to make it and failed and here's the alternate shot that they didn't use and here's how they made it i would love that stuff planet earth is incredible how they get some of those close-ups and like tell a story through some of this stuff it feels like Feels like like a bug's life or something like that with some of the stuff they're doing and how close they are I just don't really understand it to be honest It is no, but like that's how I literally feel when I'm watching Planet Earth sometimes like how are you following this? cricket through the jungle floor

Like and and like telling the whole story of it. It makes no sense. That's why I want to see it. That's why I want to see it. Like a hundred millimeter macro of a cricket through a forest. Even then, you would still need to be like on top of it. That's what I don't understand.

Okay, I'm going to regret asking this question because it's about EVs and this is probably just going to turn into a whole nother episode. Let's go. But I this is probably just going to turn into a whole other episode. Let's go. But I kind of was thinking about it and thought it was interesting. Where do you think Tesla will be in the EV industry in five years? Do you think they'll still be as prominent as they are currently or do you think other legacy companies will take back market share?

Oh, the age old question. So I think the initial response to that is there is zero chance that the other companies won't be taking back market share because of how much Tesla owns right now. Yeah. Like, I think that's the easy way to put it. Yeah. So there's a bunch of ways to think about this. The future of the next five years of electric cars has a couple things have to happen. One right now,

less than 1% of all like cars are electric, but an increasing portion of new car sales is electric, right? Yeah. So what we're looking for is how fast do people turn over

and replace their current gas cars that they're driving with EVs? It's not like in five years, every car on the road is electric. People keep their cars for a long time. No, not at all. I love it, but it's not good. Yeah, that would be a dream. So what we have to look forward to is what reason do people give to switch to make their next car electric? Because people buy cars for the next five years. How many people will choose electric versus not electric? Right now, Tesla, if you ask industry

enthusiasts and people who study this, people say Tesla's five years ahead, five plus years ahead. And that's because of how many superchargers they have, their drivetrain technology, the battery stuff, the gigafactory, all the stuff they've been making is just so hyper-focused on electric cars that they're several years ahead of others. The question is, how fast will the others catch up? Will companies like Mercedes, Ford, Audi, Toyota, will they all spin up and realize that this is the future of car sales in the next five years? That seems pretty fast. I think five years is where we start to see everything getting really interesting.

I think where we start to see some more competition and all of them really ramping up and getting to the point that I think a lot of people kind of think we're at now, despite not actually being there. I still do think Tesla's market share goes down in the EV because they're just so high right now. And there's just going to be more options. And even if they're getting... That right now and there's just going to be more options and even if they're getting so that's nothing against tesla i still think they're going to be light years ahead of everyone else yeah but they just own so much of the market share right now so i want to clarify

your question so or your statement so uh first of all i think uh when you say when you say total total market share are you talking about market share of electric cars or market share of all, I think when you say total market share, are you talking about market share of electric cars or market share of all cars? Okay, market share of all cars, I think it's very likely that in the next five years, every consecutive year will be the most interesting year for electric cars.

I think 2021 is the most interesting year ever for electric cars, and I think next year is going to be even more interesting. That's just true of tech And I think next year is going to be even more interesting. That's just true. Tech, I think in general, every year is another step forward. But specifically in this like growth category where it's like 1% of all cars now and they're trying to be like 5% in the next five years.

That would be really cool. Yeah, that would be awesome. I wonder if Tesla's electric car market share is smaller, but their overall market share is bigger. Does that make sense? Wait, say that again? So I think in five years, there will be more Teslas than ever

as a proportion of all cars on the road. Yes, correct. But in the electric car world, there will be more competitors than ever eating into their EV market share. 100%, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Totally agree with that. EVs are gonna get bigger,

therefore Tesla's overall market share. 100%. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Totally agree with that. EVs are going to get bigger. Therefore, Tesla's overall market share is going to get bigger. But in the EV market, literally no matter what, they're just going to get more. Competitors are going to be coming very, very quickly because we've seen

almost every car company pledge whether that pledge happens. Here's a... So we've seen all these pledges. Do we think the latest one by a company going full electric is like 2050 ish right uh i've seen 2040 stuff i've seen 2030 stuff um so five years is like somewhere along the way for that so like if we're thinking that somebody generally drives a car for 10 to 20 is a long time.

If you can own a car for 20 years, I think the average is like seven. Really? Yeah. At least in America, it's like seven. Okay. We go through a lot of cars too, I guess. So let's say 2050 is when every car now is only manufacturing EV cars. Then you probably have another being generous 20 years. So like,

I don't see us even getting close to a fully electric vehicle, even country till like 2070, probably. Yeah, it's interesting. There's got to be a real incentive. The other thing is there's two more two more little things I'll toss in one EVs are all generally the top end of price in the market. They're all pretty expensive. And when people are incentivized to buy a new car, they're all generally the top end of price in the market. They're all pretty expensive. And when people are incentivized to buy a new car, they're looking for the best budget option. EVs are still barely not really in that conversation right now. They have to be. They have to be in the future.

And two, that question we asked when we talked about Mercedes is like, do you think Tesla will get better at build quality, or do you think all the other companies will get better at making batteries and drivetrains and software? That's another future five-year question where it's like, when I look at those commitments and I see Audi saying, we'll go totally electric by 2030, I want to go, all right, but what about your software? Like I love the electric part, but you have to commit to it in more than just making batteries and drivetrains. You have to commit to the to the ev you know pushing software updates to the car like all this stuff that tesla's been so far ahead at so the five years question is really interesting if your question i forgot who asked this but if

your question was about in 20 years will tesla be as prominent as they are currently i would definitively say no there's going to be way more electric car competition for sure but i don't think that they can move that fast in the next five years i think tesla's still going to be way more electric car competition for sure. But I don't think that they can move that fast in the next five years. I think Tesla is still going to be at apex in five years. I do really like your like just thought process though of which legacy company is going to like start really focusing on software or when is Tesla going to start really focusing on like build quality luxury? Like I guess other things just generally that they're not known for right now because there

are a lot of things that people still prefer in the legacy companies and like who's gonna make that step first yeah and i have no prediction because i think both sides are extremely stubborn uh yeah five years is too fast to expect one of those to drastically change basically for sure word all right i got one more we can end probably on this one so this is by Graham asks what is one piece of retro tech that you wish would be brought back in its original form with some updates to make it more modern I feel like we've answered a version of this before but I love it

just because I want to talk retro tech do you have anything off the top of head that you remember that you want would be like updated for 2021 off the top of my head no whether Adam can edit this to make it sound like it's off the top of my head no whether adam can edit this to make it sound like it's off the top of my head we'll see i think of a couple older things like the all black

plastic macbook that they made i wish they would make an all black like m1 macbook pro again okay i don't know i don't want it to be plastic again but i would love if they did make an all black like M1 MacBook Pro again. Okay. I don't know. I don't want it to be plastic again, but I would love if they did an all matte black MacBook Pro. That'd be sick. I'm trying to think of something like really old. Like when I think retro,

I think of something I used as a kid because we're not the oldest right now. But then like I kind of go the same route you do. And I kind of wish they made like, do you remember the SA Active? Yep. I kind of wish they made a, do you remember the SA Active? Yep. I kind of wish they made a couple more phones that were like that, almost like it has a case in it already

but then isn't as bulky as a big case. Does that make sense? There's some rugged phones out there but they're not that great to be honest. I say that as someone who wouldn't buy it. Well, if they today made like a version of, let's say the Pixel 6 comes out and there's a Pixel 6 Active,

which has like a rubberized like outer shell and you can drop it from the top of a 50-story building and make a video about it. Would you want that? I guess it all comes down to like size of it. Yeah, probably, maybe. They always make them look so bad though at the same time like i really didn't need the weird camouflage on the se yeah that was a little extra

that was way too extra they were definitely like digging into that like the like construction market of people who wanted it to yeah yeah not great well i like the retro tech shout out because i just want to say we are finally dropping season two of retro tech next week it's going to be good so uh i just want to i'll explain it a season two of Retro Tech next week. It's going to be good. So I'll explain it a little bit now because it's finally happening, and I've waited a long time to explain Retro Tech season two. So season one was a bunch of episodes about individual pieces of tech, right, and how they changed and shaped the future that came after them. So the Game Boy happened, and then portable gadgets were a thing

from that point forward. We had things like Sega Genesis, which changed gaming consoles forever. We had things like the 1984 Macintosh, which changed GUIs forever. So that was season one. Season two, we kind of had this thought where like, well, if we just keep going down the list,

we're eventually gonna run out of gadgets. So let's change up the theme this season is on things we thought we'd have by now that we don't and where we went wrong and whether or not they're even a good idea in the first place now you guys already saw the teaser i posted which was uh me on a hoverboard so you can probably already guess what one of the episodes is about, maybe some sort of flying apparatus, but like really actually diving into the question, like, all right, 20, 30, 40 years ago, we all thought we'd have flying cars by now. All right, let's actually think about that and try to answer the question. Why don't we, should we even want that? How close have we actually gotten? Is that still in our future or have we shifted gears?

That's what retro tech season two is all about so it's a bunch of unique ideas we had of what the future would have that we haven't gotten to yet i think it's really fun that's awesome yeah we've got some great guests we've got neil degrasse tyson of course talking about almost all of our topics we've got bill gates we've got comedians we've got youtubers judner's on sarah deech is on uh we've got Bill Gates. We've got comedians. We've got YouTubers. Judner's on. Saradichi's on. We've got, I mean, it's just a fun time. It's a fun time. So highly recommend staying tuned to the channel next week.

It will be a daily launch every single day of next week at 9 a.m. Eastern. So for new episodes, they'll just drop on the channel just like normal videos. No sort of like fancy YouTube subscription stuff. We'll literally just drop the new videos and you can watch them. So it'll be a fun time. I have one question about it. Is that terrifying mask gonna come back?

Oh man. What was it, the UV mask? It was an electrostatic thing where it was supposed to help your skin by shocking you. I didn't manage to pull that one off in episode two, but there's plenty of other memorable stuff. Like we talked with, well, I don't want to spoil too much. No, don't spoil it.

It's coming soon. There's a lot of great talks and a lot of great guests, so don't miss it. April's kind of lit, guys. April's pretty lit. Cool. All right. Well, that wraps it up for this episode.

We've talked your ear off for a little while. Stay tuned to the channel for lots of videos, but until the next one, thanks for listening. Waveform is produced by Adam Alita. We are partnered with Studio 71, and our intro outro music was created by Cameron Barlow.