Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Google I/O: Oops, All Gemini!

Episode Date: May 22, 2026

The gang is all back together! We start things off with a generational rant from David about the state of smartphone photography before going deep into everything announced at Google I/O. Spoiler alert: it's AI. Then we wrap it all up with a new camera, marble racing, and of course trivia. Enjoy! Links: Sony tweet Verge - Gemini is in danger of going full Copilot Petapixel - Panasonic camera Jelle's Marble Run 2026 Follow us on socials: Marques: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd⁠⁠⁠ Andrew: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli⁠⁠⁠ David: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.threads.net/@davidimel⁠⁠⁠ Adam: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17⁠⁠⁠ Ellis: ⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/EllisRovin⁠⁠⁠ Waveform Threads: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast⁠⁠⁠ Waveform Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠ Waveform TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast⁠⁠⁠ Join the Discord: ⁠⁠⁠https://discord.gg/mkbhd⁠⁠⁠ Intro/Outro music by 20syl: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/2S53xlC⁠⁠⁠ Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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how to stay ready so you don't have to get ready. New episode Sundays wherever you get your podcasts. I read a stat last week that there's like a quarter of the amount of people. There's rats in New York City. Like there's a quarter. Yeah. Wait, what? Wait, hold on. I don't understand what you said.

You're saying there's four times as many rats. There's one quarter of a rat for every person. There's one rat for every four people. Yeah, one rat. Isn't that? That's a lot of rats. It's a pretty big number. One rat for per four person, people.

So there's a 25% chance you have a rat following you. There's a 25% chance you are a rat. Yeah, what is up? People of the Internet. Welcome back to another episode of the Wayform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew.

And I'm David. And this week there's music playing for some reason. I don't know why. But it fuels... We're all back. We're all back. Oh, that's why. We're here.

It's the normal crew. Spoiler, we didn't even say our names yet. We did. We did. Audio didn't... Did we? Yeah, we did. We actually just did.

We actually just did. I'm rusty. We went around and said our names in the air. So we haven't said our names. So we're all back. We're all also rusty, but hey, it's another tech week. It's Tarch. Mech.

It's mech. Google I.O. happened. We got a whole bunch of Gemini stuff. Sony tweeted they have these new headphones, but they also tweeted this April Fool's Day joke like two months late. It was about AIA photo correction. We'll talk about that. A new camera might be a Fuji X100V competitor, maybe. And a story about the coolest things we've ever done as a company, because it's new, and we've been keeping it a secret. But it's time you guys finally know about this thing that we've been doing. And I'm very excited to share it with you. At the end, can't skip ahead, full retention. Yeah. Wait, I don't know what this is. So I'm going to be excited. I'm awesome. I was like, yeah, totally. It's incredible.

Totally. Yeah. But first, did they even test this? Yes. I think David has some that are for next week. Yeah. That are going to be really fun. Ooh, it's easier.

I'm going to give you guys a choice. I was writing some things down on my, my fraternity. So I have a few. But I have either a, did they even test this or one that I was impressed by. So I wrote it as a hell yeah, they actually did test this. So people have been saying maybe some of these things are a little too downer. I'll open the floor that if you're ever really, really impressed by something. We'll put that in.

I like that. Because they did test it. I do like when things surprisingly work and you didn't expect them to. Yes. This is one of those. It sounds like we want to go with the hell yeah. They tested this. I think that would be fun.

Cool. This is something that's positive. It worked really well. It's something that maybe surprised me because this feature hasn't worked for a long time. But I had a really good magic cue. experience in Google messages. Remind people what Magic Q is. Magic Q is a feature

in Google messages where depending on what the person is sending you in a text message, you'll get, instead of like an auto reply of yes, no, whatever, like a suggestion of maybe they're asking about an event. So here's your calendar and you can post in the calendar event for it. It's supposed to help you

answer things that Google should know within your Google landscape. Yes. So I had somebody, a mutual friend of Mark and I say, hey, do you have any photos of that camera crane arm you used to have on Marquez's Tesla? And I was like, wow, that was a long time ago. We don't have that anymore. I'm not even sure.

I'm sure they're in here somewhere. And I got a little button that said Google Photos. I was like, oh, cool. I can one click. I'm still going to have to search for it. Launch Google Photos. Right there, suggestions based on the text message. And there's two pictures of Marquez's car with the camera crane.

Wow. And I just clicked both of them and said, thank goodness for Magic Q because these are actually them and Mistos had no idea what I was talking about but he got the pictures he needed. That is what it's supposed to be amazing for. Supposed to do. It is now one for 3,000.

Yeah, I found that I can search brand names in Google Photos and it can tell me like Tesla versus regular car or you can search Mercedes and it will find Mercedes. Here's something that's funny. It's said on a Tesla like in the suggestion set on a Tesla, but it was one of like eight photos that it tested. The one before it was the trailer hitch camera mount with a giant Ford logo on it. It'll always have false positives.

I don't know how, but it always has false positives for some reason. But yes, it did find the Tesla's, which is cool. I think it found the crane arm. I think that was the discerning factor. That was a little easier to pick up on and unique. It's been getting the faces wrong for me recently. Has it? Yeah, I'll be like, this person.

in Canada and it'll be like 80% of them is that person, but then 20% of them will be a different person. False positives? Yeah. It just seems to cast the net wider than it's supposed to, which is probably a good miss. Yeah. And then, yeah, I'll just have some random stuff. That's not what you asked for, but it will always have somewhere in there one of the things

you asked for. Right. Right. Okay. I tweeted that I'm going to have a generational crash out, so I think that's about to happen. And what will you be talking out about today, David? If you're unaware, this. week, two companies decided

to do the worst thing possible to piss me off. That's right. Google and Sony decided to implement new AI image editing features that just proves that engineers have no idea what the

fuck a photo is supposed to look like. I think they tagged you specifically I felt personally very attacked by this. I want to... Before you get into it, the blame I'm not sure where to put it on just the grouping of engineers, because we've had photo engineers come to us and say, like, we watched your video on this, and we've been trying to tell people on our team, we agree.

We agree. So there is someone to blame, and I agree, and it doesn't take anything away from this. Some of the engineers know what they're talking about. Yeah. Okay, well, to be fair, okay, I'm just going to talk about exactly what happened. Do you want to talk about Sony first or Google first? Let's see the Sony one. The Sony one?

The Sony one. Okay. So, Sony tweeted this photo from a new phone that, of course, they just basically didn't announce like usual, called the Experia, what is it, Experia 1, Mark 8. Mark 8. That's probably way too expensive,

and they'll announce it now and it'll release in September, and then know what it will buy it. And I'll be available only at B&H. It's available for pre-order, okay? It's available for pre-order. You can spend 1,400 pounds on it and it ships in a month in June.

That's actually way faster than they've ever done. It's pretty bad, but it's better than they've been in a long time. Yes. So there's what's happening. They tweet this tweet that says, the new AI camera assistant, asterix for some reason, with Experia Intelligence,

brings stories to life using subject seen and weather. It suggests expressive options with adjustments of color, exposure, boke, and lens, whatever that means, for breathtaking photos. What does it mean? Adjustments for lens?

What does that even mean? Okay. There are four photos here. One of them is kind of acceptable, I suppose. Brother. It's like a flower. and they made it warmer and it's like fine the other two are it's it's hard to explain how bad these are one of them is almost definitely not directly from

the camera because the shadows were already jacked and it was already under exposed and I'm pretty sure that this was pre-edited but the AI edited version is like sharpening to 12 whites to 12 saturation to negative three boosted the red for no reason to explain the photo it's a woman standing in a field full of like tall hay and a blue background and like you said it's a little underexposed and the horizon is at 30 degrees yeah how is she standing straight but the horizon is actually really that might be

the more confusing I don't understand this mountain maybe is this a fake picture I don't know the strangest social media posts I've ever seen okay but the most one is a sandwich the sandwich which already like looked like a phone photo like it has that compression it has that oversharpening whatever at least it had contrast the AI camera assistant one. One of the worst edits I've seen in my entire life. I have an Instagram post from before I knew what cameras were where I applied like three Instagram filters to make it look kind of similar to this or it's just like really washed out with like no color whatsoever. Like I used to,

I used to think that that's what made a good picture too. We all did. We all did. Of those too. No, not all about content. It's aging. You didn't do it? My bio since the beginning of my Instagram account was I'm I promise not to overdo the filters. But did you? Look at this. Hashtag no filter was my, it's my end of the spectrum. Oh yeah, that was.

It's bad, right? It's so bad. Guilty. This sandwich is like, it's a croissant with, I don't know. Yeah, it's a turkey, cheese, tomato, lettuce. It's a close up of a sandwich. Lots of a sandwich. Lots of good colors that could be, yeah, it's a really close up of a sandwich.

Yeah. But it is so brightened and it's washed out in the new one that the white text that says AI camera assistant is almost whole. hard to read in the photo because the photo behind it is so bright and washed out that it gets lost. Yeah. Okay. So if you look at smartphone camera upgrades since like the iPhone 7, specifically from U.S. smartphone manufacturers, you're probably going to notice that there hasn't been a lot of

change over the years. You know, the iPhone like 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, like we did these camera tests, right? Smartphone cameras, over time, especially from. U.S. manufacturers, really what they've gotten better at is they've gotten better at low light, because the sensors get bigger, they get better at the stabilization, the low light eventually gets better. However, the primary thing that these companies have been doing is making signs easier to read because they look at user data and they say, what do people usually use their smartphone for? And it's not to take artsy pictures, right? It's to take pictures of signs,

to send information to each other. A lot of utility. A lot of utility. Especially Zoom. Yeah, it's probably like 80% of what people take photos of, right? Depends on the age. Depends on the age. I think a lot of old people have a lot of utility photos. That is very true. Once you're not taking pictures of kids anymore, it's just like menus at restaurants, signs to read them better. I mean, I take photos of those things.

Send them to friends, whatever. But people are buying digicams right now because all these smart phone manufacturers have just been jacking up the shadows, crushing the highlights, adding sharpening. You know, like, be like, oh, people are buying digit cams because they're all. old and they're like fashionable it's like no the digicams that people are buying now are still good cameras it's just that they don't apply a ton of computational photography to these camera to these photos right so i have a diagram for you guys that i'm going to pull up it's not a diagram but it's something i made this morning it's just a bunch of red yarn strewn across so this is a normal picture this is a picture i took in colorado a couple weeks ago right it is a mountain landscape

there's some trees in there there's some bright clouds there's snow which is quite bright then there's some, you know, there's a lake, stuff like that. Blue sky. Blue sky. So there's kind of a lot going on. For people that don't know, there's a thing called a histogram, which has a thing in it called a tone curve. And effectively, it's a chart that moves from left to right and up and down.

And on the left side, you've got your shadows, and the middle you got your midtones, and on the right, you've got your highlights. And to have a well-balanced histogram, it's kind of important to have information in the chat, like to have a lot represented in the shadows, mid-tones, and highlights. what these smartphone camera companies are doing is they are jacking the shit

out of the shadows. They are crushing the highlights. They are adding clarity. I would say a negative de-haze specifically on that sandwich photo. And it looks like this. And this is kind of what that AI camera assistant photo looks like. And if you look at the histogram,

they pull in all of the highlight information and the shadow information and it all goes away and it all gets crushed into the center. It's the middle. So it's one big... It's all a mid-tone. Everything is the midtown. Would you say these smartphone companies should atone for their tone curve?

Yes, they need to atone for their sentence. Thank you. I'm back, baby. I just want to say, and we've made this analogy before, the difference between a circle and a sphere is shadow deep, is shadow, is like curvature, which you can only add through like a transition from highlight to shadow, right? Carvaggio, FDivinci. They died for the shit, okay?

They invented this shit. paintings in Italy in the Middle Ages were all flat as f***. And then they were like, what if we added transitions between color and tone? And then things felt realistic and three-dimensional. And people are like, wow, we can have realistic stuff. And all these smart phone companies are just like, nah, bro, we're going back to before the middle ages. Yeah. And I, I don't know.

I just, there's something like the Chinese, the Chinese manufacturers are actually making good cameras. But for some reason, the U.S. manufacturers, they're just like, no. Now, we're going to keep doing the same computational photography that we did when our sensors were like a micron. I don't think it's just the U.S. manufacturers. So I was going to say I talked about this in the big Android update video because that before and after that they did. Right, which we'll get to a second. I talked about processing. And I did this thing where I had every single version of a camera of every single iPhone, every single Samsung Galaxy S, every single Google phone.

Yeah. And I thought Samsung's phones were pretty strong. Like the HDR happening in the S26s versus like the S22s and S23s, it looks worse. Yeah. Because they're trying to do this thing where they save bad photos. Yeah. Which feels like a win, but it also over-processes good photos, which is definitely not a win. Yeah.

So, yeah, that's Sony, Samsung, Google, Apple, a lot of them are guilty of this in a lot of ways. I mean, iPhone 7 and before the photos look great because they actually had contrast. In some ways. And they've gotten better, obviously, too. You have more resolution. You have more depth of field. You have all sorts of things that have gotten, you know, more impressive at capturing and getting good photos out of, like, bad situations.

But, yeah. They just need to change how they process the information now that they have way bigger sensors. Yeah. They haven't done that. Like, they're using the same algorithms that they were using on the pixel one, you know? You know, a sub-rated that's aged really well? What? R-slash-HDR.

I subscribed to that sub-breditor a long time ago because it was hilarious because HDR was, like, this funny novel thing that used to, like, used to be able to, to overdue and you'd get pictures on like Facebook like this. Yeah. Oh my God. Hilariously overdone HDR. Yeah. What is it?

But you can, you get this effect. This is just one of many extremely over processed photos. Like when you drag highlights all the way down, shadows all the way up, clarity all the way up, sharpness all the way up, that's what you get. Yeah. And that kind of feels like what's still happening. There was an era in fine art photography, like right after Photoshop got invented where people invented bracketing, which is where you.

take right on a tripod you take like an under exposed photo a perfectly exposed photo and an overexposed photo and you use the information from all of those three photos or up to like nine to basically make like a hyper hGR image and there was a trend like in the in fine art photography specifically because it was hard to do right what people consider a good quality is basically things that are difficult so at the time you had to have the knowledge to do this and so if you go into any like coffee shop in like a fancy town there's a giant photo on the wall of like a mountain landscape or a river that just looks horrible.

Yeah, yeah. And it's always printed on metal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like glossy and weird. I hate that. If you go to, oh my God, I'm so glad you said that. Any, like, gallery in a town

outside a national park. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's just like a bunch of animal photos that were taking with great cameras and, like, it's almost like, I need to make this as cool and, like, impressive as possible because I took this amazing picture of a moose,

but it's just like... And they sell them for like $5,000. Yeah. It'll be like a sunset where the sky is like so orange. It's like you melted 10,000 basketballs into it. Yeah. And like a wolf that's like silhouetted. But because it's bracketed, there's still tons of...

Sorry, this is like my pet peeve. For sure. Was that near Estes Park? There's probably 40 galleries in Estes Park that have like these exact pictures I'm talking about. I specifically remember one next to a coffee shop. Yeah. I think there is something to what you said where like people think that it's good if it looks difficult and if there's like back in the day when photos were eight megapixels if you get a really

sharp photo that would look like a really good camera yeah so if you could sharpen dehaze and like create a really you know structured sharp photo it looked quote better even though didn't really look that good just because you didn't know how to do it yeah so that sort of stuff started leaking into like this generic photography it yeah that sort of bracketing is the same thing it's like okay if i want to take a picture with like the blue sky in instead of black blown out, it would be really difficult unless I had a photo or camera with great dynamic range or I could learn bracketing and get like two or three photos and combine them. Yeah. So now every time I take a photo, I'm like, I should do bracketing just to make sure

it looks better. Yeah, right. It's not necessarily better. No. Then that starts creeping in regular photos too. Totally. And this has even happened in film photography. Like there's a, film photography is kind of trendy right now, you know, whatever. There's this like saying that people will be like, oh, just always overexposed by a stop so that you always have information in the shadows. And it's like, no, because then you're just going to get an image that has too much information in the shadows. And like, yeah, I guess you can scale it back because the highlights are more protected, but it's better to actually expose for the photo you want, not just show all the information all of the time. Yeah. You know, so to get back to the Sony thing.

Yeah. Sorry. Well, two things on the Sony thing. Yeah. One, that tweet with all the horrible edits from the AI thing blew up. It has 13.5 million views on Twitter. Their marketing department. is like, I'm so confused because the best time to delete this was yesterday, but also,

this is the most traction we've ever got. It's a lot of views. So on that subject, the second thing is they posted a follow-up tweet that said, hey, following the post about the AI camera assistant, we'd like to explain the feature in more detail. It doesn't edit photos after shooting. It suggests four settings in different creative directions based on the scene and subject. You can choose any option and use your own or use your own. own settings. And so they show a couple more examples of one original photo and then four suggested

AI examples. Yeah. Which almost makes it more baffling that they decided to show such a horrible example of a creative direction on all of those photos. They look dramatically worse. The fact that they thought that was creative direction, I guess, is a choice. To be fair, two of these suggestions out of the four are fucking horrible, too. But they're nowhere near as bad as how bad the other ones were. So, like, even in this has four suggestions and none of them are as bad. Whereas the other one, that went through approval that those... Dude, so many things about this. Like, even just the base photo looks like it's like one megapixel.

Like, it's so oversharpened and soft and... Yeah. Do you think they'd sue us if we sold a T-shirt with the sandwich photo? That would be incredible. I also love that you can barely read the text that says AI camera assistant and original on it. Yeah. So anyway, they... The social media post is baffling.

whoever decided to choose those as the examples for the post ended up winning because they got 13 million views on their social media post but also like now everyone's dunking on this Sony phone again which might be the most attention to any Sony Experia one has gotten in a decade. Yeah, that's true. Maybe not for the right reasons. I mean, I probably wouldn't even have heard that they had released this. I didn't even know they released the last one.

That's actually true. I didn't know that this phone is coming out. Do you know how I knew it was coming out? Like two days before this, someone on our subreddit was like, why does big tech reviewers never do Sony phones? this one's coming out and it's clearly going to be the best camera

it would automatically win the smartphone award and then this came out and a bunch of people in the comments are like, isn't this the phone camera you were talking about?

Maybe not my friend. Hey, the smartphone award? Okay, and another thing happened with the camera editing this week. So I missed the Android show episode and I watched the Android show while I was in Europe

and it was mostly good. You know, I actually liked a lot of it. I thought Google did a good job kind of humanizing their upper management people. Oh, I hard disagree. I thought it was really cringy, which was very human.

It was cringy, really cringy. It was gringy. Every time it made me face palm. Like, that was the vibe. The like half cut of like, am I supposed to say something funny here, Teehee? Like, oh boy. I didn't watch it, but that sounds brutal. I think just the way of describing it.

Before they talk, they're like, they'd have like an unscripted moment. Right. Which was obviously scripted. Yeah, it was tough to watch. I think if you have to describe it as humanizing upper level management, Red flag. That's true. It's hard for all these companies.

They have like business leaders and like ruthless engineers like trying to also be the person who presents the thing on camera. I mean, I owe is rough. Mine is Woodward. He was great. It's weird.

Almost every company does a terrible job at it. I think Apple's the gold standard that they're all trying to match because they have these incredibly, yeah, robot energy, but they at least have like well-produced

conversational types of presentations. But they also don't pretend like they're actually having a real conversation. They're not like, hey, Jason, would you mind if you sent me that screenshot of this? Sure, Cheryl. Like, they don't do that kind of thing. Honestly, since COVID, it was like when we had real live tech demos

and like live presentations, those were, that was like an era. And then after COVID, we got these like produced things. That's this new era that we're in. And they're trying to make this produced era of presentations feel kind of real again by having unscripted moments or like long one takes

or Carl Page is not blinking for five minutes or whatever they got to do to make it feel like a person that... Well, and also because the general sentiment around technology

is at an all-time low right now. Also true. Like for regular people, regular people hate technology right now. Yeah, and they're trying to put the person there so you feel like you're talking to a person

instead of getting a tech demo. Especially at I.O., which is a giant AI show. Just to go on everyone, the resentment is like, have you seen all these commencement speeches? Getting booed like at all the Species. Erich Schme got booed like crazy.

There's been like multiples of them in the last week. So yeah. But if you're going to speak to a bunch of students who are graduating, like matriculating into the next part of their life and you're going to talk about agentic force. It's like what's wrong with you? That's insane that she's talking. Yeah, it's a little

that's a little that derail. But so at the Android show, so at the end I think I missed this photo you're about to talk Oh, really? Yeah, I haven't seen it. You haven't seen it? No. Before and after?

I have not seen it. I tweeted it. I'll show you in. Okay, so most of the features they released at the Android show were actually pretty cool. Like they have the widgets that you can just generate on in an instant and kind of create whatever you want. But one of them was basically the same thing as the Sony thing, except it was like, now you can take any social media, like photo or video and instantly make it look better with like this new Google feature. which I thought is I thought we've had auto mode for like a really really long time so I'm surprised that they considered this like new and better

But they took a photo that looked pretty decently well exposed like maybe it was slightly under exposed a little bit And then they did the exact same thing that Sony did where they just like made it way brighter Uh softened it and that was kind of it like they dragged the exposure slider up a little bit But they also jacked up the shadows and pulled down the highlights and it's like it would be a prime our slash HDR candidate. Yeah. And she's like, it's so awesome because you can take a photo

that looked like this and it's like a normal looking picture. Like, that would be a fine photo in my opinion. To this. And like the resulting photo is just so bad looking. Yeah.

Now the thing is, we know that people prefer brighter. Brighter photos, especially in this before and after context, where if you just had that original photo,

we'd go, oh, yeah, looks fine. But for some reason, regular people look at their before, and then look at the after and go, oh, the after is better. It's brighter. I can see more things, therefore it's a better photo. And we haven't been able to escape this.

So these companies just keep seeing that response that people have and just keep doing what people keep rewarding, which is making the photo brighter, seeing more in the shadows, seeing more in the highlights, and that's the result. I have a theory that people who are not creative people who are not artists, they don't have taste, but they like things that are bad.

because their taste is associated. I was going a different thing. What do you think? I thought you're going to say they have no taste, so they just try to execute the technically better thing, even though it's like taste. No, I just like telling them their taste sucks. But you said they don't have taste,

but they like things that are bad. Well, you know how over time when you get better at something, things that you used to look at and aspire for, you're like eventually like, actually that wasn't that good. And like your taste kind of moves upwards. Yes. And you move around. You're like, oh, now I'm interested in this.

Like, I'm looking up at this and it changes. I think when, you know, if you're not in that specific hobby or that specific art form or that niche, you don't, and you don't really know what makes something look good. You're going to gravitate towards the things that you think look good at that time, right? Yeah. Should we just cut this whole section? No, no, no, no, no. It's totally not subjective and. Yeah.

I think that when I picture someone. I don't know if I'm just being an asshole right now. No, I think it's, it's a fascinating conversation. When I picture someone with no taste, I picture them not having any direction at all to what they tend to pick. But I think what happens is regular people just see brighter as better. The same way that people hear louder as higher quality, it's just sort of a default. It's a default that humans tend to just do that. And so now they don't have taste, but that's the one thing that they understand is better.

Right. Also, I think for a lot of people, they're not even looking at the quality of their photo, and they just don't want the auto camera settings to fail ever. Like the idea that like every single picture comes out usable to some degree, I think is like... Yeah, for sure. I think it goes all the way back. We, you know, we big circled this into... David said most people are looking at these as tools.

These are tools. The brighter photo shows more information, the louder thing I may be able to hear more of. And most people care about it as tools because they don't mind that it's like a beautiful photo you might hang. Yeah. They mind that it's a photo that they can see their kid having fun on the playground. Yeah, yeah. And to play devil's advocate for this. for the terrible HDR photo that we get from the before and after.

It is easier for most people to turn the after into what they want than the before. Does that make sense? I can turn up contrast, bring the shadows back down, and make it a regular looking photo out of the insane looking thing more easily than someone looking at the original, turning it into something that they think looks good and bright. It depends on how compressed they make it though. Definitely. But like in general, like people don't know how to make edit good.

photos. That's fair. So it's easier to just give them a flat, bright thing and be like, oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, David says I should have more shadows. I can hear, turn it down. Now they're shadows. I want to make one more analogy. You know, you know a live laugh love core stuff? Like they'd buy at like Marshalls or home goods or any cheap Airbnb you've ever been in every time. David, you came back with some heat this week. I'm sorry. We're going after Airbnb. All I'm saying is like actual like interior designers would never use that. Interesting. I don't know.

This could be a whole psychological analysis. I'm thinking of it as like, yeah, it's like lines on a graph. Like no taste is just no correlation at all. It's just a blob. But you're saying because they're being gravitated. But people are gravitating towards something. Yeah. Yeah.

So it's more than just no taste. That's fair enough. It's like some weird universal constant that we all enjoy. I don't, I mean, yeah. You enjoy it until you realize how bad it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you're gravitated towards something else after that. Exactly.

It's the first step. Maybe it's like a step. Yeah, I think it is kind of a ladder. Yeah. I don't know. Anyway. The taste ladder? The taste ladder.

I just don't understand why Google is positioning this as like a brand new, like, technological advancement thing. It's like, it's literally just they hit the auto button. Yeah. Which has existed for like 25 years. Like I don't. Yeah, but they're all AI now. They all have to say.

Sure. I don't. It's like. It's the artificial intelligence auto button. It's so weird. Yeah. It's so weird. Anyway, I just go try out like the like a Xiaomi phone or something and you will see what a good smartphone camera is.

It just comes back to what we're saying before. Most of these. If it needs to smoke. People just use these as tools. Like, we care about getting a good picture. Most people want to capture the memory. Well, that's ironic because the number one seller of smartphones has always been the camera. Yeah, but not because they want to post it on Instagram.

because they want to look at it in 12 years and be like, look at what my nephew was doing. It is funny, though, because these events are pointing towards people like us who are judging the cameras based on thinking a nice photo. So for the people that works for them aren't watching the Android show. The people who watch the Android show think this sucks. That's true. There's a good amount of comments of people being like, ooh, tech reviewers are so out of touch. They always want this, that, and the other.

But really regular people just want, like, to zoom in to 50X and capture their kid on. a stage in kindergarten being a pumpkin for Halloween. Like that's, as long as you can get that and it's clear, it's like great. That's a win. It's like a screwdriver, not a brush, you know? I think it's beyond, like, people not having taste. I just think most people don't think critically and don't care, you know, about how things like look or feel.

Like, remember, like, you know, this is the country where we have about the same number of strip malls as schools, you know, like we're not thinking too deep about our surroundings. Yeah, there's way more places that I could shop at. Why do we have this many schools? Yeah, exactly. You know, or like, why should anyone need to like, you know. And my fourth home goes. I haven't been to a school in forever.

Don't even anymore. Only like 10% of the population needs this school. That's a great point, actually. Do you think there's more babies than not babies? Yeah, why do we have those things? I read a stat last week that there's like a quarter of the amount of people. There's rats in New York City. Like, there's a quarter.

Wait, what? Wait, hold on. You're saying there's four times as many rats in New York. There's one quarter as many rats. There's one quarter of a rat for every four people. There's one rat for every four people. Yeah, one rat. Isn't that?

That's a lot of rats. It's a pretty big number. One rat for per four person people? So there's a 25% chance you have a rat following you? There's a 25% chance you are a rat. All right. Like men in black? My face just comes off and it's a rat.

Yeah. Anyway, I understand. These are tools and brighter people think is better. And it's the same reason why, you know, Apple can be like, oh, we are using pixel binning now. And so it's the same quality, even though they're getting less light per pixel. And then dumb asses like me will be like,

well, technically, the photo site is quite a bit smaller. And so the quality of the photo site is where... And my uncle or my... I don't even have an uncle. My freaking, I don't know. My grandma... She's dead. My mom will be like,

I just want to zoom in at 50X. Yeah. And that's all she wants. to do. Yeah. Yeah. Like when we see Samsung space zoom and the first thing we do is go, mm, 50X photos look bad. And then regular people see the commercial and they're like, finally, I can zoom into 50X and get that picture of that sign or that random stage performance for my kid that I was trying to get a picture of. Exactly. Or like I'm in the crowd at the baseball game and I can zoom all the way in on their face for some reason. Yeah. That's fair. Like the default is

going to be the one that most people use and then the specialized tools are in the marketplace of ideas. that's fair. I do think Apple has a real opportunity to release like a pro camera app for themselves because they're really getting their lunch eating and they have the opportunity to Sherlock like never before. So we'll see if that happens. True. Anyway, I said I was going to have a generational crash out. So you can't. Well, you told most people they have no taste. So I think check. Check the bucks. Okay. By most people. Yeah, I do mean most people. I mean most people. I mean, no one listening to this though. Everyone here is. All of you guys are good. though. Yeah. I'm going to seem like such a f*** fullness of episode. Now we have to establish that we

are better than the average person. Like you would think... By getting zero trivia questions correct? If I threw a frisbee, you'd probably think oh my God, his f***re form is so bad. No, no, no, no. I would ever judge a... That's a perfect analogy, actually. Because I know that you're not a frisbee player. Yeah. It's like a photographer judging a random person's photo. I'm not going to... You're a random person. Yeah, I wouldn't judge a random person. But another photographer?

Right. Like if you were on a frisbee team, I would judge your form. That's the analogy. It can bite you in the ass, man. There's so many warmups where I was like, is that how that guy throws a forehand? I'm going to tool him and get whooped by them on the field later. I thought that about so many people that are now really good friends. That's fair enough.

Crush me on that. But that's a good analogy because Google is basically the other photographer and Sony. And that's why we're like. They should know better. They should know better. We're just disappointed. I think in this analogy, Google makes the frisbee. We're so deep down this rabbit hole.

Because it's just a tool. It's called an Ultrastar actually. Yeah, but I'm saying the tool is be used differently. Oh, so they made a bad product. So they made a disc that flies slightly differently, and us pro throwers are like, ah, this turns way too fast or this is like hanging in the air too long, but regular people are like, it floats forever. This is great.

Yeah. See? That's good. So, yeah, anyway, that's good. Let the tools do the tool thing. Okay. But there should always be pro tools. Okay.

I haven't experienced the new soundboard yet. It's pretty good. It's great. Grock, contact, please. And with that note. And with that note. I think we should take a quick break. Let the steam out of our ears a little bit.

But before that. Subscribe and Google I.O. next. And before that. And after that. Or somewhere. Let's do trivia. Yeah, this is going to be an episode for sure. That's a tool.

It's already like 98. breeze in here. I still can't remember when I said that. Do it again. Can you do that again? It's the waveform bros. Why did I say it?

It's funny that I know that that's Mark as because I've heard that impression before, but like, was I responding to something? Wayform bros? Was I imitating something? I don't know why I said that. Or said it like that. He probably said it when we weren't here.

No, I was here for sure. We also have this one. That one could have been. Any of us? Today's question is, Rachel, Mimi, Robin, and Shakira are all codenames for what line of smartphones? Rachel, Robin, Mimi, Shakira.

Shakira? Shakira. Shakira, Shakira? Shakira, Shakira. You can make a man, want to speak. The hips? Interesting. Don't lie, Marquez.

Well, think about it. I have no idea about this. The Zootopia songs are, what do you think about? This is like a smartphone whose code name was Shakira. It must be really groovy. Adam, look at this phone and tell me how groovy it is. Did you hear that Brazil was trying to like sewer for tax fraud? No, it was Spain.

Spain was trying to sue her for tax fraud. She got out of it. And she, well, she acquitted herself, basically and was like... Did her hips go on the stand? Because they can't lie. Nice. All right, we really gotta move on. Dumb.

Is that me? Yeah, that was you. I don't remember that either. We have a lot of good ones. So many people have already tried to skip the ad break and they're still getting us yapping about things and it's not even an ad. Okay, we'll think about it.

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This past week was also Google I.O. Now, we did talk about the Android show the previous week, which was like Google took out all of the stuff that you might typically expect of IOs in the past, which is like Android updates, feature updates, Android Auto, like the interesting, exciting stuff that's going to hit consumers and that we can actually use and review. They took that out and made it a separate show week before IO. we talked all about that. So what does that leave for I.O.?

That leaves a lot of Gemini. Gras. Now, we know that I.O. is a developer conference, and they have to talk to developers, and they have to talk to the people on the bleeding edge of using these tools, essentially, Gemini, and all the other things that we're going to talk about. But I think as a whole, this IO,

since it was devoid of the Android stuff, felt like an overwhelming amount of, especially named AI features. And if there's one thing about Google is that they can't help naming everything. Everything. Everything that they do. So, we're going to jump into it.

We can try to explain a lot of this new stuff, how much of it you may end up using someday or how much of it is really technically advanced or cool. But I promise you, you will not be able to keep track of how many names there are. Yeah, I think that this IO was like the biggest example yet of the fact that Google is like 3,000 companies

in one. Yeah. And that they just don't really communicate very much. Because there's no cohesiveness or vision. It's just spamming. Like, it really does feel

like there's nine different companies who each had three ideas to present and none of them talk to each other. And honestly, some of them step on each other. Totally. Like, there's Vio and then there's also Nana Banana and then there's also

this new thing that's going to generate images of videos. Like, why are there three? Yeah. So there's a real lack of visual strategy to what's happening. So we'll break it down. We'll show you what's new.

But again, I promise. Google Photos. It's horrible. It's not just Google Picks. Google Picks. Brand new product. Yeah. It's not Google Photos or pictures.

Yeah. But it will generate some of those things. Yeah. So I last night thoroughly watched this like three times to my own dismay. Oh my goodness. I'm so sorry. In 4X though probably. In 2X.

Okay. That's a little less bad. I tried to do 4X and I just couldn't keep up. I still three hours if you watched it three times. Yeah. The amount of times in the show where they said like, I think they said, and we're just getting started.

They said it's 40. And I was like, what? Don't do this to me. Yeah, well, the first time, to be fair, I listened to it in the car at 2X. And then I got home, I watched it again. Anyway, for some reason, they bounced back and forth between different products through the show. Like, they would announce something like Omni, and then later in the show, they'd talk about Omni again. And then near the end, they'd talk about Omni again.

And it felt like because they took everything out from the Android show, they had to, like, pad the time because Google I.O. is always two hours. It's weird. I try to, like, think about who's a target demographic of these presentations. and maybe it's unfair to compare it to Apple, but I think regular people watch a WWDC recap to see what interesting things are going to be happening. A bunch of my friends watch Dub Dub. I don't even, I'm not even going to make an IEO recap

because so much of this is either not going to come out or it's going to be dead in a year or it's going to be really interesting and then it's going to get stepped on by some other updated Google product in like three months. So yeah, there's a lot of very technically advanced stuff and impressive things that they got to demo. How much of it will actually show

up. Like the live docs feature was really cool. Are they going to ship it? I don't know. Is it going to last? I don't know. It was a really cool demo. So we'll tell you about it. I was also very confused about who this was for, because I was supposed to be for developers. And I feel like a lot of this wasn't even aimed at developers. It was like them showing off their dominance in web and search. And token usage. Yeah. Yeah, that was a weird flexing constantly about how many tokens they consume. And then at some point, he was just like a salesman. He was like, if your company used Gemini Flash 4.5, you would save a billion dollars. His one stat was like, 375 people have used one trillion tokens. Yeah.

I was like, that is such a weird. Also weird because Flash 3.5 is more expensive than three was. I think some of these flexes. So it's like, yeah. Some of these things just felt like them saying, hey, we are the dominant AI company. Yeah. See these big numbers. Yeah.

That's how you know. I will say it's interesting that it's a developer conference, but in past years, they've had enough so that non-developers, like people like us, like the media, can like really understand and digest and understand like how you can use this in the real world. And this year it was, it didn't feel like it was for developers really, but it because it was just products that were being announced. But none of the products were things that people would actually use. So only a few of them. Or if you were like a real enthusiast who's like, I can't wait to deploy Gemini Spark to shop for me. Like there's a tiny fraction of people who are like,

hell yeah, this is awesome. I can't wait for it to monitor the price of jeans online to automatically buy six pairs for me when it hits a certain price threshold. But like that's not most of us. I remember like eight years ago at I.O., we'd all sit around being like, what are they going to name the next Android? Yeah.

And what's the big feature or two going to be that they try to like show us is awesome? What's the new Nexus phone that is going to be under our seat when we said? When are we going to delete that chain link fence in front of this? Never. So because they were hopping around so much throughout the show, I had originally just taken a ton of notes in like a linear fashion, and then I decided to order them into main chunks. So I have a models section.

That's where you messed up. You should just ask Gemini to do it for you. I did. Which one? I did have Jeff and I do this for me. But then I went through and I like, yeah, yeah. Anyway, okay, so we have a model section. We have an agentic AI section.

We have a retail section. Okay. We have an intelligent eyewear section, which is like the glasses, app and search overhaul section. And then the little ending weird deep mind thing where we're on the foothills of the singularity, apparently. Should we also save the intelligent eyeware section for the end for attention like Google did? Sure. They got to that like 90 minutes into I. Yeah.

Which is crazy. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll start with the models. new models obviously Gemini 3.5 Flash and there will be a 3.5 Pro coming in a month apparently. I don't know why it's taken so long to roll that out. That's kind of weird.

Google claims that Flash is four times faster in output tokens per second than existing frontier models and outperforms Gemini 3.1 Pro on key benchmarks, which is impressive if that's true. I want to be like the regular person translator for these. Yeah, do it. I think that that essentially would mean for the super quick, that you're going to AI for that use Flash,

they will be really, really good because they're benchmarking as well as pro, and they'll be really, really fast. So you don't have to wait for it to type it out in several seconds of, is AI going to even get this right? Ideally, it's way faster and way more accurate. Yeah, ideally. Yeah. To me, it also felt like Sundar was trying to get Enterprise to sign up to use Gemini as their

backend because Anthropic is currently making a load of money on that. Yeah. Hey, do you make an app? Do you have like a thing that queries AI inside your app? Well, make sure it's Gemini Flash because it'll be the fastest, best one, best experience for your app user. Yeah, sure. Yeah.

It's rolled out already. Yeah, it's already out. That's true. Yeah. They also demoed the Gemini-World model. So this one kind of confused me a little bit. What it is good at specifically is simulated physics in real world reasoning to interpret combinations of text, audio, images, and video to generate realistic

editable video environments. They gloated a lot about how the model can do everything but said, for now, it's only doing video. And I'm like, okay, it can do everything, but it can only do video. Yeah. So my translation of this is like, hey, have you ever wanted to make an ad-generated video? But you wanted to use some inspiration from a photo and a video and some text that you wanted to describe some extra stuff in it and some other.

a random thing you wanted to include. Well, you can now just loop all of that stuff in. It'll be one prompt, and Omni will turn it into something that includes all of that stuff. Which the irony of all this is that I think the hierarchy of usability and value in AI is like coding is number one. Text generation is probably number two. But people like AI less and less, the more you get towards video, right? Like AI image generation, mostly bad, but you could use it for manipulation to make memes of yourself

for your friends. Rage bait misinformation is making a ton of money online. Yes. This is perfect. And then, but then video, like, I don't really know anybody who is hyped for AI video in any possible way. Yeah. In general.

I could even, like, think about a couple things. I could use AI generated images for, like, visualizing, like, hey, I've got this room. I want to visualize what this desk would look like in here with this wallpaper behind it. Okay, AI can help me see what that looks like. Right. The video, brainstorming maybe, I don't, I don't feel like that's. going to be very useful.

Yeah. And they really did a lot of AI video. And it's the heaviest resource-wise. Like, it's the most difficult to do. Yeah. And it's, yeah. Yeah. Most meat eating spaghetti.

Yeah. It's getting better. And they specifically were like, it's multimodal. It can do everything. And I'm like, well, Gemini was already multimodal. So why do you need to call it Gemini Omni? Why didn't they just make an update to Gemini and say we can now do real world physics? Because they need to name everything.

This is what we talked about. Yeah. New Gemini. Omni. The naming team needed a raisin. They went all out for this. Yeah. Okay. So that's it for the models. There's new agentic AI updates. We have Antigravity 2.0, which I know Adam was actually a little bit excited for. If you don't remember what anti-gravity was, it's basically their coding environments that has all these agentic features where you can, you know, code inside of it and stuff. Yeah, a lot of people were confused because anti-gravity 2.0 is very much like the clawed desktop app basically or like Codex I've heard. I haven't used codex. similar to that, where it's just like a chat or whatever. They still have the IDE. So anti-gravity was their IDE, but I don't know what got lost in translation.

I don't know why they named the same thing. So this new thing now is anti-gravity that you talk to Gemini and it'll like do the things. But if you want to open up the code and look at it with a real proper file structure and everything, you need to also download the anti-gravity IDE, which is a completely separate thing. And I don't know how much longer that's going to be around. I don't know. It's very confused. I know. It looked a lot like a general, like a regular Gemini app.

Yeah. It's strange. Anyway, it's for developers. Wait, can I just, sorry. Yeah, go for it. So if you're using anti-gravity 2.0 to make something, but you want to make sure you want to look deeper, you have to open up anti-gravity? Well, so anti-gravity, if you tell it to build a thing, it will do it. And then it will be like, you can click here to look at the code.

And it'll pop up a little side window and preview, like, the actual code. you can scroll through it, whatever. But that's not typically how people build things. They have an editor for that. So anti-gravity, I believe, it's very similar to VS code, which is a very popular one, like whatever. But that's a separate app entirely now on the computer. I think if you want to know if the Google teams talk to each other,

there's your proof that they don't talk to your show. It did feel to me like there's one tool for generating code with AI, and then there's another tool with a different name for audits. your AI generated code with another AI. But it sounds like they're the same name. But if, yeah. And then also like your regular code. So you can audit all of your code with AI.

All of this. AI coding sometimes make mistakes. So you need someone or something to do that. Another agent. So another agent can audit your code. And if that's not confusing enough, there's also the anti-gravity CLI now, which is another terminal tool that is replacing the Gemini CLI,

which was open source, and now it's not open source. So now you can control. all of your agents all in one in the terminal, but you have to use their, their proprietary tool. And that's also called the anti-gravity. And that's also called the anti-gravity CLI. Yeah, it's going great. Even if I was a developer, I would be really confused. Do you think anyone showed up to their first day at work at Google and they're like, I'm on the anti-gravity team and they went to the wrong building? It's like in school when you sit in the

wrong classroom and 20 minutes in there reading the syllabus, you're like, do I get up and leave? I got that before for sure. It's like, I get that they all do slightly different things, but they should be one thing. It should be cohesive. Yeah. Shocker. Well, and the irony of all of this is the general Gemini app can basically do all of this stuff too. Like, I've even, like, used the Clod app on my Mac, and I've, like, updated my website with features and stuff through Clod.

And you can just do it through the chat. You don't even have to use Clod code. But there is a Cloud Code. Yeah. So it's like they make all of these sub products that are more optimized for the main thing, but the main model can still do. do all of the things. Probably to like some 90 something percentile of the specialized tool. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Well, they were very excited about anti-gravity 2.O. They built an operating system from scratch. Yeah, that was plugged it into everything. Like they were showing Google search things that were building stuff with anti-gravity.

Yes. All this stuff. Which we will get to. But yeah, they built this operating system. They said it deployed 92 subagents over 12 hours to build an OS. and that it cost less than $1,000 in API credits. Wow. What Eustace has, who needs to build operating systems?

I'm not sure, but I guess it was more of a, the scientists were more interested if they could, not if they should type of situation. Yeah. And then they ran Doom on it. You could run Doom, yay. So, look, we're relatable. Yeah, relatable.

Okay, Gemini Spark. This is basically Google's answer to OpenClaw. It's a 24-7 cloud-based personal AI agent, that runs continuously in the background. It can actively parse your data to give you daily digest like a child's school emails for deadlines, monitoring your credit card statements, etc.

It's rolling out to trusted testers this week and rolling out to a new $100 A.I. Ultra plan. So this is the other thing that they have multiple, the same name for multiple things. They now have three AI Ultra plans. At three different prices. At three different prices that are not called like AI Ultra Plus

or AI Ultra Ultra. they're just AI Ultra but there's the $100 one there's the now $200 one down from 250 and then they have the crazy one I think unless it's just the $200 right anyway

So the way I'm thinking about this one for regular people The OpenClaw thing Yeah Spark If you think about using AI as I do prompt then AI does thing Then I do prompt again Then AI does adjustment Then I prompt again

And it's like a back and forth thing Yeah the idea of an agent is it's able to go and do multiple things it has its own agency it has like the ability to do multiple things over time or in a row or to go execute something for you yeah without you having to prompt over and over again right i did find this decently useful and like and this is an example that'll come up again of like i want to monitor when this thing drops below a certain price but you'll have to check the market for listings of it over and over again let's do this every 12 hours for the next couple weeks

until we find one that hits the certain price. That's what the agent would do. It would just go, hey, I searched again, here's the result. Hey, I searched again, here's the one that actually hit your price threshold. Yeah. So instead of you searching over and over

through the agent, it does it with agency. Yeah. Yeah, and like all of these AI companies have come up with sort of an open claw competitor. Like Claude now has one that can do it for you. One of my friends, they lost a bunch of data on their hard drive, and so they were using a recovery tool,

with the recovery tool estimated like 800 hours to like recover the data. So he set it up so that the agent would check his computer and check on the progress of it like every once like one day and send him an update. So there are like some uses there. I will say the daily digest I'm actually pretty excited about. Yeah. Because I've been getting like the beta one that gets like email to you in the morning. So bad. Really?

I found it pretty helpful. I like the formatting of it, but the contents of it are useless to me. Oh, mine is the opposite. I hate the formatting of it. But I've actually found a couple of subscriptions that were like, oh, yeah, I do have to cancel that free trial, you know? It reminds you of things like that. I think potentially I've connected it to too many services because it'll just be filled up with like a bunch of people left comments on your Google Docs. And I'm like, I already know that.

Like, I haven't marked them as resolved because I need to read them later. And so it's just telling me a bunch of things I already knew. It's like, here's what's on your calendar. Well, yeah, I got a notification. That's why the calendar. That's why the calendar notifies me. But yeah, maybe I can fine tune it a little bit. Yeah.

It's fine. It's totally worth a trillion dollars of a number. investment. Why don't you get an agent to fine tune it? I'll deploy Gemini Spark. Deploy 92 agents to fine tune it. That's coming to the Mac desktop app later this summer for local file automation. So it'll be able to actually touch your computer because right now it can only do things like on the web. So okay. Three is retail.

This is a grouped, a group thing for Universal Cart and AP2. So this Universal Cart thing is kind of interesting. Clearly, Google has been trying to make Google shopping happen for like 12 years now, 15 years now, where they just, they really, really see all the money that Amazon's making and they're like, we could have some of that. They want to be a trusted retailer so bad. So bad. So, and then they saw what TikTok was doing with TikTok shop. And so now if you look at YouTube and you go to like, you know, anybody's YouTube video

that has a product placement, they now have right below the video, like, you can buy this and you can click on it. You can go to it and buy it, whatever. probably not enough people use that that they want to use it so they created this thing called universal cart which basically across google search gemini youtube and gmail you can add things to your cart you can click on a thing and say you're interested in it but when it drops below a certain price you're kind of interested in it and it connects to your google wallet so now as well if it knows like that you're you have a certain credit card and that certain credit card gets certain cash back at

certain stores, it will be like, oh, when you go to pay for this, you should use your Target because it's at Target and you get 5% off at Target or something like that. You get cashback, whatever. I really, really think Google is just trying to find more revenue sources because by making Gemini and making all this automation stuff, they are taking away from search ads. So they just, they're slowly trying to, they're like, we're going to get ahead in the AI thing, even though it's taking away for our main business, but we need to figure out ways to make money for from it if we're going to own it. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's kind of interesting, but I remember seeing the study where there was a bunch of, they tested a bunch of these different models at how good is it at actually suggesting me like the right flights, the right hotel reservations, whatever, if you were just to say, like, make me this trip. Classic. And like 90% of the time it gave the users like one of the more expensive options for the hotel, for the flight, all these things.

I'm so classic. And so Google can now go to retailers and advertisers and they can say, hey, look, we can slowly sort of like suggest these products towards these users. And kind of the overarching theme for IO this year is just like trust us more and more and more, bro. Which makes me trustee less and less and less. Yeah.

Yeah. Because all I see with all of this is, I think you guys mentioned on an episode I wasn't here, is like the new version of SEO. because all of this is just going to lead into a different way that big companies can pay to be better results inside of AI. Exactly. That is 1,000% where it's going, no matter what you say,

that's how it's going to work. Yeah. That's how people are going to make money on it. Google is just like, oh, just don't make your own decisions. Like let AI make all the decisions for you, and then they're going to advertisers and they're saying, now that everyone just trusts us, we can just suggest your products.

Yeah. It points pretty directly to the direct tradeoff between privacy and convenience, because, and this is also a shout-out to Joanna's book, which you'll hear about that probably on an upcoming bonus episode, but if you just give your life to the AI, you just go, all right, you know everything about me, Google. It's kind of a privacy of nightmare, but you have everything about me now.

That is the best case scenario for actually getting the results that are most applicable to you. And so when you ask for it, yes, it will be skewed, but it will be skewed based on what it knows about you. And theoretically, it'll give you better products to buy or more useful suggestions based on it knows about your car, your house, or whatever already. And so if you do decide to just give it all to the AI, then that will be your win. But not everybody wants to do that.

And obviously that's the tradeoff that they're trying to convince you to make. It's why a lot of people like keep the Instagram ad tracking on because they'll say like, oh, I actually like it because it gives me relevant products. And I'd rather have relevant products than, you know, turn it off. The lingerie that I get. There's literally no reason to have that on. Wrong. I've gotten so many good products.

People want to get ads for stuff. I told you. I told you there's a divide. Some people actually do want to buy stuff from Instagram. It's not that I want to buy stuff from Instagram is that it shows me brands from smaller brands that aren't just like Amazon or Shee in. You know, like I find actual stores from Brooklyn or something because they're using targeted ads.

It's good for small businesses. It's bad for me. But it's good for small businesses. That's Facebook. No. No. Bad argument. Bad take.

Bad argument. Do not turn on app tracking for the sake of helping small businesses. That is ridiculous. That was, that is... Helping small businesses by letting one of the largest companies in the world sell your data. Are you serious, bro? How else are you going to find this? The small business has been spending money desperately trying to find good customers,

and this is the way they actually get to that customer. No, no, no, I'm not accepting any of these. I only make everything I use. The reason... This mixed jersey, I said it. I know a few people who, like, use meta-advertising, and they're literally like, you put in $10 and $30 pops out. So clearly there it works.

There's a lot of shit wrong with meta. But that product is a money found. There's a reason meta is a giant, giant, giant corporation. And that everyone uses it. I don't think that only small business, whatever. But if you are a small business and you put $10 and then $30 pops out, I mean. Yeah. Unrelated and related.

They're doing a ton of layoffs today. So clearly this is not great timing for any of this. Meta stuff. But they laid off like 10,000 people. Again? Yeah. 8,000, yeah. Oh my God.

Okay, well, that's great. AI, baby. Okay, the other thing in retail is there is now this thing called AP2, which is agent payments protocol. And basically, Google is scared that the agents are going to hallucinate with your credit card information. That's what they are terrified about. Because they, you know, they want you to be able to tell your agent, like, oh, if

this brand, like, if this shirt from this brand, you know, you know, you know, you goes on sale, can you just buy it for me? Which is kind of crazy to think about. Something could just agentically shop for you without you having discrete input. It's kind of close to what someone, so like an ultra rich person who has like a personal assistant.

Yeah. They'd be like, I mean, you'd be too rich to do this, but you'd be like, when it hits a certain price, just buy it for me. Right. But we don't have personal assistance. But it's like, oh, yeah, now my phone is a personal assistant. I'll just have it wait on something for me

and it has infinite capability of waiting and finding the right thing, and then it just does it. It's the weird thing of AI where it's like, that is a totally reasonable thing to ask, but at the same time, weird robot internet has my credit card number. Like, both of these things are true, and I'm terrified.

Well, it's kind of the next stuff. Do you remember Amazon dash buttons? Yes. Yeah. So for the youngans out there, Amazon used to give you, for $5, you could buy this Amazon Dash button, then they'd give you a $5 credit.

it and it was a button that you could assign to any product on Amazon. So when you hit it, it ordered it for you. It was like if you put it by where you keep your paper towels, like something that you restock a lot on. So like every time my paper towels are almost up, I just press it. They're going to come to my door. Tide pods. Yes.

Tide pods. So like what Samsung and all these companies have wanted to do forever is put cameras in your fridge so it automatically does this for you, right? That's like, because these companies, they're like, oh, if people bought things as soon as they ran out of them every single time and they bought the same thing over and over and over again, we could make more money because that's more purchases per hour. Right? So that's what Google's trying to do here.

They're trying to make it like, oh, you're, because all these ad companies, the main problem that they have with like the Facebook pixel, all this stuff, they, they see that you're interested in something because you interacted with it. But actually getting you to make that payment and actually go through with the purchase is the hardest part of the whole thing. Yeah. And so Google's like, well, what would it take for you to buy this? Would it as frictionless as possible?

Would it take a $20 discount? What if it got to a $20 discount? Would you definitely buy it? Can I just do it for you? Yeah. So that's... That's a really good point. I feel like there's so many times

where I have something in my car and I almost buy it and I was like, no, not right now. But there's way less commitment of being like, well, you know, like if you found this thing later and then it's just going to show up at my door, like chances are if that's what I was thinking in my head,

I would go back to that in two weeks, probably get to the same point and be like, I don't really need this. Yeah, exactly. Google's trying to get past that you don't really need this. And that's something that meta doesn't have because the only thing meta really has

is when you like hover over something for too long it'll just keep showing you the ad like more and more often, you know. Yeah. Anyway, this agent payments protocol, it's basically just a protocol that's helping agent shop for you but making sure that they don't pass any weird boundaries

and buy things that you don't want. I think this is kind of just security for them to get advertisers to actually advertise with them and for them to be like, don't worry, we won't make users return a ton of stuff. This has the potential to really screw up some smaller businesses who might have a bunch of accidental purchases that then have to be returned and maybe can't be put back on shelves or have like, yeah, lots of accidental purchases that could create waste and kind of screw

over a small warehouse. Yeah, because if you have returns and then it's worth nothing. Yeah, so it's all thing. All right. Number four, app and search overhauls. Search AI mode got an upgrade to Gemini 3.5. Queries that are at an all-time high because users are now treating search

like a conversational partner, apparently. Allegedly. Allegedly. Sundar did say that now people are putting more natural language into Google Search, which I have actually found myself doing because it used to be that we knew the language of SEO. Everybody under a certain age

grew up learning how to Google something. Yeah. Whether you had a class, in it or you learn some internet literacy somewhere or from someone you know. So you have to know what words to type into Google to find what you're looking for. And then also like how to exclude certain phrases or like put things in quotes to find like things together. Ted Reddit to the end.

That's like a skill that we all learned. Yeah. That under a certain age, people have not had to learn that because they either just go straight to an AI agent or an AI and just type it in in natural language and it finds it for them. And so now, yeah, there's this like blurred line of people who grew up. learning how to Google things, but then they just use natural language in Google and it kind of works. It kind of works now. AI mode anyway. Yeah. It's fine. It didn't use to work at all and now you can do that and it'll automatically do AI mode and you can just keep talking to it. Yeah.

Anecdotally speaking, I've been using that a lot more just because the regular SEO speak that I grew up using doesn't work anymore. That's true. So I've just been like trying to get something. So I'm like, okay, let me just ask it the way I would normally ask something. Yeah. What's crazy now, though is that Google Search now has dynamic layouts, which can code custom visuals for you on the fly, and it can also build shareable mini apps, like a weekend planner itinerary. So how this was shown off was basically, I think it was Josh Woodward that did this, but he was like, oh, I want to do like this weekend thing with my kids and my wife, but I'm not really sure what to do. Like, can you suggest me things to do? And so it builds this little mini app inside of the Google search window that

It shows the weather. It shows, like, suggested locations. It shows, like, dinner places they can go to and stuff like that. And you can talk to Google Search to sort of modify it, and it will change the code of the app in real time. And you can share that with whoever. Which a part of this, for me, it was like, man, people really want to offload every decision they've ever had.

I just like the idea of then your, like, wife comes over like, oh, did you figure out what we're going to do this weekend? No, not yet, but check out this app that's trying to figure out what we're going to do. It's like, if you have a dog and your dog is like, can't stop throwing up, and so you take your dog to the vet and then you come to pick it up later and you're like, so is my dog going to keep throwing up? Did you fix that? And that's like, I didn't fix that, but your dog is literally a transformer now. It's like this.

I still have a puking dog. That's how I feel about Google search. Yeah. Yeah, it's strange. I've Google searched so many things during this show. And the AI review has been wrong about every single. one of them. I'm just like, I'm so sick of this. Please do not build me

apps. Please just serve me relevant information. Yeah. I mean, it's funny that we like remember when they added in the suggested snippets where it would like give you the answer within Google search and people freaked out because they're like people aren't going to the links any if you do this. People won't go

to the links. And now they're like, if a kid searches, how does a black hole work? It'll just generate an animation on the fly of a black hole colliding with another black hole. Yeah. Which is, on one hand, it's way worse. All of the sources don't get any traffic. All of the people who worked really hard on all the information and research that made that possible don't get any credit.

Yeah. But on the other hand, that kid just got an instant like. Animation. Explaner. If it's right. If it's correct. If it's correct. That also confused me, though, because they said they would build it every time on the fly.

Yeah. Yeah. There has to be some sort of, like, that's a pretty normal question. Well, it's based on your specific query. But like let's say your query is how does a black hole work? Yeah. There's more than one person searching that every day. Like why are you rebuilding that every time?

That has to be wasteful. Like why not just... I think in the... That's probably true, but there's such a long tale of unique Google searches every single day. I think what they're thinking is in such a specific query, which is like how... What would it look like of a black hole the size of a peanut collided with Manhattan? And it's like, boom, here's a simulation of that. which, I don't know, maybe three people Google that every day.

I don't know, like, how many people say that, but there's, like, a ton of unique versions of that question that it can build a tailored animation just to help you with. Because they have TPUs. I've been trying to Google what is the largest U.S. data center by power consumption, like, by megawatts. And it gave me a list, right? Which seems like it's fine.

The top five answers are hallucinations on the list. So it's just like, what's the point of this? I think these are more in, like, longer, well-established. This is something I found too. Like when you ask questions to Google about like current events or recent information or recently updated things, it gets it wrong all of the time. Yeah. But if you ask it something about like a 10 year old science theory or like an animal that everyone's been writing books about or something that's not like current events are brand new, then you'll get stuff that's pretty locks, like locked in. Yeah.

So it's the black hole stuff. Yeah. It is strange. It feels like Google searches. They're kind of just trying to nudge. people towards the process of using a Gemini search chat, like a Gemini chat, as opposed to searching things anymore. Yeah.

Okay. Google AI Studio. Now you can build full Android apps from scratch with a prompt, and you can publish them directly to the Play Store, which means we're going to get a lot of slop apps that are terrible. Slop apps. Here they come. So many. Next I.

They're going to brag about how many new apps were created. Guarantee it. This is so bad. Like, they should not let you publish. to the Play Store. Well, yeah, well, they need a bar of being approved because Google has a famously lower bar of being approved. Apple, it'll be like, oh, yeah, you can use code to make apps.

But it's not like I hit a button and it generates an app from scratch and then I submit it and it's in the store. Yeah. Like, there's at least some threshold or quality. Yeah, but does that mean they're going to have to hire like 50 times as many approvers? Yeah. Yeah, yes, it does. Yeah, they're just going to have one A.

Oh, true. To play the agents. That's true. Hey, Gemini, is this good enough? You made it. Also, I tried this yesterday and it did not work. Really? Yeah.

I mean, the app that's on your Android phone is not out yet, but they have like a web version of the AI studio thing, and it just like wasn't doing the thing. What was the app you tried to make? I forgot. Wait, let me look it up. Do people really have this many app ideas all the time? Well, okay.

That's what I want. That's a dumb idea. Well, I can't even think of a cool, dumb idea right now. I think that what a lot of people might do in the future is like there are a lot of apps that are paywalls. and if you're just like, I want a calorie tracker app. So stealing. Yeah.

That's what all this is. It's all stealing. It's all stealing. It's also people want. A lot of people want apps that are specifically tailored to them. So there's a bunch of generic versions of apps that do something. I won't say his name, but I have a teammate who's like, I want an app that can like tell me specifically if I need to wear sunscreen today.

And all it does is intake, like, how long I'm going to be outside. what the weather is, what my skin tone is, and all these other things. And so just like, there's no app that does that. So just build me the app. And then I'll just do it for you. Where you could probably find an app that does like two-thirds of what you're asking, but then is the developer going to do the extra feature you want? I don't know.

So just it's, or maybe you want a task manager app. And there's a certain feature. Oh, I just want it to be like this, but also with this extra reminders thing, whether it's geotagged and it reminds me to do something when I get to a certain place. Whatever. I want an app just for me. Then this is your way of making an app just for you.

So why I put it on the Play Store? I don't know. Yeah. But that's why I see people making apps. Yeah. Adam made us local Frame I.O. That's just like video player, big clock, add comments, export comments as CSV. It's poifed.

That's something that just for us, we would use it. We would never put it on the Play Store or whatever, but like it's useful. I mean, one thing that's cool about this too is that you can export the app and send it to just friends and family without putting on the Play Store. So I think that's sort of interesting. idea of making like family apps or friends apps and stuff like that. Ooh, a group chat? Oh, there's no bubbles. Never mind. Wait, can we do group challenges? Turn the bubbles.

I found my own, my app idea from yesterday. And it also, this is a late episode. Did they even test this? Because this goes back to an issue I've been having. So on Fitbit, they have meditation minutes. And if you try to meditate for 10 minutes with a pixel watch, it'll vibrate on your wrists for the entire 10 minutes. So that you, know to breathe along with it. It's like, breathe in. Bzzz. Oh my God. Breathe out.

Like, they got way too cute with it. I just want a timer that will vibrate at the end of 10 minutes to let me know you're done. I think tanks the battery live too. Probably. But they don't have that. So I tried to have AI studio build it for me. And instead it built me an interactive dashboard where I can play with a fake pixel watch three. Which is technically really impressive, but not useful at all. All you have to do is build a timer.

You said build a 10 minute timer and it said What? I think because I said for my Pixel Watch 3 It freaked out and it built a whole other thing So might be on to something though with the group fitness challenges Can we finally have our own group fitness challenges? This is something we've wanted Well I think we should

This is the perfect ideal for us We should be able to build a multi-platform group fitness challenges app So that in our studio we can distribute it among us And we can use whatever wearable we want Yeah. And it'll normalize all of our stats, calories, steps. I can make it so I always be marked it.

No, that's it. I will look in your code. I will inspect your code with my agent to find out if you're cheating. Agent, look at his code. Yeah. Pure reviewed. Antigravity, look at his anti-gravity.

Peer reviewed. Okay. Google Picks. We referenced this at the beginning. What a transition. Can you stop Google? Can you stop? Google photo.

those Google Picks, Google Images. They literally, they showed the slide. They're like, and this is Google Picks. And I was like, are you sure you want to answer? Sure. Why are you doing this? This is a new text and hover image editing tool. Basically, it's sort of similar to, we talked about Google Books a little bit last week,

how you can sort of like hover the mouse cursor over things, and it sort of intelligently knows what you want to do with it. That's not Google Books. That's the Google Books. That's the Google Books. Yeah, Google Books. Yeah, Google Books. Which is Kindle.

Yeah, it's the Kindle thing. Yeah. Yeah. That's books on the Google Play Store. Google Books is the online literature database. No, that's, you're thinking of Google Play Books. Yeah, no, no, no. Google Play Books is the Kindle. Isn't the online database literature thing like?

That's called Google Books. Is it? Yeah. Okay. Then there's also Google Scholar. Scholar. That's what I was thinking. Google Scholar is also different.

That's another thing. That's all the papers and research and PDFs. This is untenable. Do you know that the one? It's called Google Get Ficked. All right. Anyway, so it's this text and hover image editing tool. Basically, you take an image in and you can say, like, zoom out and it'll, like, add extra.

It's a photo editor. It's a photo editor. Why is it separate from... Why is it separate from Jedi? This is my question about every single one of these products. ImageN is a Google DeepMind product. They're on Imogen 4 now. Yeah.

But this is different. Sorry, I was making another pun because you said you can take an image. Imogen. And I was like, no, Imogen is which is true, Imogen is actually a separate Google product. Yes, correct.

But yeah, but, the, why do they have 50 of these? Why is this not in Google Photos? Why don't they say, that's the first, as we were watching it, I was like, so is this going to be

built into Google Photos or is this separate? Give it a year. Google Picks is separate from Google Photos, which is separate from Google. Or literally they can just say Gemini can now do this other thing now. Yeah, I don't understand. Why are they spitting them off

into a ton of different products. Because this team is in a different building. Oh, I mean, last year at I.O., they announced this big product, and they sunset it last month. Like, I bet you, within a year, 80% of these are going to be shut down. Yeah, that's actually...

The people who make the Google logos are just like, check to... Finally finish my backlog. And then they look at the just 25 new names that pops out of Google I.O. And they're like, oh, my God. They go to thesaurus,

and they look at photo, and they're like, what other products do you use for every single thesaurus? Okay. Okay, they have Google Stitch and Google Flow now. They already had these, I guess, but they're updated. Stitch was a website builder, and now it's updated. And yeah, it can build you websites in real time.

And then Google Flow allows creators to edit 16 videos team simultaneously, but there's also Google Flow music, which can take, like, they gave it an example of, they played a piano riff, and the guy was like, what would this piano riff sound like if there was a piano riff? bass guitar and a singer. It was insane. It was just another insane demo that somehow has a name and a product. Yeah.

Which you should just be able to put the audio clip in Gemini and say, do this. Yeah. We're getting to the point in I.O. where they kept cutting to the audience and I've never seen. A group of people who were more bored. Like the amount of just looking down at phones that happened by at minute 90, it was rough. It was really funny. Yeah.

I meant to bring that up. They kept cutting to the audience like every 30 seconds. And in the first 20 minutes of the show, they were cheering for stuff and they were pretty pumped. And Sundar would be like, and a trillion tokens. And they'd be like, wow. By minute 70, they would have like pause for applause on the teleprompter. You could tell. And it would just be a few seconds of silence.

And then they would just move on. And you'd cut to the crowd and they'd just be like on their phones and trying to figure it what's going on. There was one point where the presenter said, and you can clap for this. Yeah. And I was like, oh. Oh, that's painful. All right. Basically, last thing.

Oh, no, because we'll get to the glasses. But last thing here with the app and search overhauls, synth ID and C2PA. You don't know what C2PA is. It's content credentials. We made a dedicated video on the studio channel about it. That is also tied in with an M11P video. You can go watch that if you want to know more about it. But Synth ID is Google's AI watermarking feature,

where basically every piece of AI generated content that they make has like an invisible watermark in the metadata that other AI can, well that previously only Gemini could read and it would tell you whether or not something was AI. They're expanding that significantly to basically every company, which is really good.

Like that's something that's very important. It's very ironic that they're creating the exact thing that you now have to check. There was a part where, I think it was Sundar was like, only one and four people can tell when a piece of content is AI genera. And that's why we made synth ID.

It has like the same shades of like, we've made this smartphone extremely like addictive. And so we have this digital well-being feature that you can use to use your phone less. So like, oh yeah, we've made this AI generated content extremely realistic. And so now we've developed another AI tool to help you decide if it's real or not.

Yeah. I think a perfect example of what we talked about before is like the problem with this is we created the tool that can spread a ton of misinformation, but also the tool that can prove is misinformation. The problem is the 10 million people who saw the misinformation, 100,000 of them might see the watermark. The Sony tweet that you said before that had 13 million views. The follow-up tweet that explained it a little more had 300,000 views. People aren't looking for the update. They're reading the title, watching the image, seeing the video, and now that is fact. And to be clear,

it's also always in the context. So this is a, it's not, a visible watermark. It's basically buried in an invisible form so that when you scroll passes on your feed, you aren't thinking, oh, let me go drag this and check this to see if it's AI or not. When you just see it in your feed randomly, you're not in the context of like thinking is this AI or not. So it just doesn't get checked. Which is why, and this is the first time I'm ever saying this and the last time I will ever say it, meta actually had a good idea. And on Instagram they put the AI info thing although AI info is terrible verbiage and they should just have edited with AI or modified with a or generator with AI but that was f***ing up because if you

used Photoshop at all it would say AI info which is all broken but the platforms themselves need to support synth ID another rare statement to Twitter's credit now this is where it gets weird they tried to implement this thing where it auto detects if the image you're attaching is made with AI or not. And if it is, then it has it adds a little tag so that in the feed as you're scrolling, you don't have to think about it. It'll just say made with AI. Yeah. Unfortunately, there's a ton of false positives. And I've uploaded images that are not made with AI, that it just tags them as made with AI. So I'm not sure how it's reading that. If it's just trying to look at the image and decide, or if it's using C2PA or some combination

of that, I don't know, but there's a ton of false positives. It needs to go a step further, that's a bandwagon off it. It can't just be like accurate, reliable synth ID usage. It needs to be like, it can't be like a black box because when you have these platforms that are acting as publishers, if hypothetically there's a politician that the owner of Twitter does not like, there's nothing stopping them from just slapping the AI generated label on all of their content. Or the other way around on there something is AI generated from someone they do like, I'm taking it away. Yeah. The only reason it has to be a black box is because of bad actors, like outside bad actors who want to abuse and show things on the feed and get through the algorithm.

them without the tag. Well, that's why C2PA has like a, it has a trail that you can actually follow. Like when something has content credentials on it and you pull it into like the content credentials checker thing, it shows you every edit that's been added and when that edit happened. But I don't think that Synth ID has that. It just shows, it just tells you if it's been, if it's been made with AI or not. But either way, it is really good that a ton of services are picking up on Synth ID. It's just very ironic that it's basically like Google's like, look at all this Slop that you can make and trick people And then there's also they they had a bunch of influencers like bake digital twins of themselves with

Gemini I did not like that it was so Weird like they had a Disney adult Uh basically talking about her favorite Disney land foods and then they had her climbing a rock And it was just very It was very like it was just creepy and weird and um we shouldn't do that Slop generator Before we move on away from AI products and towards wearables, I can't wait until we move on.

I just want to say, I think we're going to see a lot more of this over the next year because there's so much like circular money in the AI space and there's so much money committed to these data centers. I did finally find a list and the most important numbers is that like right now in the U.S. we have about 18, 18 gigawatts operational. in the next like 10 years we're planning on building 334 gigawatts. For perspective, one gigawatt is about as much as a large nuclear power plant produces. And so like all of the companies like burning through these tokens for a large part are doing this on like subsidized money because companies like Nvidia are funding these like startups that are then buying tokens with the Nvidia money. So all the companies like Google that have our. starting to, what do they say? Like, there are declarations of intent to, like, spend all this money on data centers.

They need to find customers that they are not paying. Right. And, like, fast. Because otherwise, like, the dates, these starting construction dates are going to start coming around and they're not going to have the cash flow to, again, build hundreds of times of the electricity, you know, like. I mean, Open AI in particular, right? Like, they have basically said, like, oh, yeah, like, our numbers don't make sense.

but next quarter we're going to add 350 billion new users. Yeah, so we're going to see just like tons and tons and tons of like these AI product cases and just like a desperate attempt of like, hey, can you please, please buy some tokens that we didn't pay you to buy? Right.

Have you guys ever heard of the term Ponzi scheme? It seems really familiar right now. Yeah. It's just the problem right now is they're building so much infrastructure, but they just are not seeing the demand. And they're having a lot of demand and they're saying, oh, like, look at all this demand. We need to build the infrastructure. But they're building so much infrastructure because

they say the demand is going to scale to that within the next 10 years, but the numbers are not showing that it actually is going to. And that's why Gemini is getting put in every single product because it creates demand that people didn't ask for. And usage. That's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Like artificial demand. Getting rid of the thing you're actually using and replacing it with the AI overview and then being like, look at all the people that are using AI overview. Yeah, they actually clearly did that on stage where they were like, yeah, we've never had as many people

using AI mode in Google search. I was like, I've mostly been using it by accident. Yeah. Well, that's what's good. It's like automatically AI modes for you. Yeah. So obviously, we have a lot of usage. This year, this year, we've seen a record number of people fall down the stairs. Coincidentally, we removed all handrails. Yeah, it's, Alison Johnson wrote a really good piece at the verge

right before Google I. About how Gemini is getting way too close to being like in your face a little too much. Like at first, it was like, oh, I can use Gemini for that. But now that they've put Gemini in every single Google product. It's a search box. The logo is everywhere. It's like, do you want to do it with a Gemini?

You want to do it with a Gemini? Dude, opening a Google Doc, it just like surrounds your dock. There's something at the bottom of our page right now I've never seen before. It's a new little toolbar. Scrap any changes you want to make. It tries to like edit your document for you. There's the Gemini logo in the top right. where you can do the same thing.

Dude, if you open Google Docs, it's just like, they are really trying to use like as much AI as possible. It's in the top right corner, it's in the bottom corner. Because they have to glow about how much people are using Gemini at the next Google IO. Yeah. This is their whole thing.

Yeah. Anyway, okay, we're going to talk about the smart glasses now. Yeah, so we can talk about the glasses. The last bit, really, with the glasses, is they saved it for near the end, but they unveiled that they would have what they called audio glasses. Yeah.

But it's essentially the same, product as met as raybans, but with Google's AI and Gemini instead. So with Warby Parker, I think, and Gentle Monster, they have like these two form factors of these glasses with cameras on the front, with speakers, with microphones, with the compute on them, and you can talk to Gemini, which, of course, is linked with your phone and can do a bunch of things like deploying agents and all that fun stuff that they talked about through the whole keynote. You can do all of that with just wearing the glasses. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know why they're called audio glasses, maybe because... Because now they're going to have to...

audio, they're going to have the screen glasses. So audio is the main way that you're interacting with Gemini, since there is no display. They will for sure at some point have a monocular and binocular version of like a display glasses. Maybe that's what they're called them in the future. It's that next year. So that'll be coming. Visual glasses.

Yeah. But yeah, these are the audio glasses and they are, I guess, in collab with Samsung and wear OS, where. Android XR. And Android XR. Yeah. Gemina. Yeah.

They had some cool demos. actually though. They had the lady come out and she was, she had the glasses on and she was like, hey, can you direct me to that place that I went with Allison last week? And it knows exactly where that was. And I think that's kind of cool. And then it's like, do you want to stop for your cold brew on the way that you usually get? Which I thought was kind of interesting. Again, making more money for the advertisers. Everything is like, how do I get your credit card information? How do I prompt you? Google is a fishing scam at this point. Like, just everything they do just wants me, they want my credit card information. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And then as she's like walking there, it's like,

she's like, oh, hey, can you, can you order it for me so it's ready when I get there? And then it agentically uses her phone and like taps through the things and uses DoorDash to like order it for her, which I was like, I guess nobody's going to be talking to the brezes anymore. It's like what happened with Starbucks. When Starbucks introduced their app, yeah, and it's like tons of people will be waiting in line and then people will just come in and get their coffee because they had to prioritize the mobile orders because it was a new feature. that they needed people to use. And it was probably most of their business.

It probably still is most of their business. Yeah. I feel like we had that happened to us. Remember? I don't remember where we were. Yeah, I remember this. Some event where we were at the front of the line for a solid five minutes and no barista talked to us or even acknowledged us

as they just went back and forth making mobile orders. And people walked in, picked up the food and left. And we were at the front of the line for like several minutes. Order in the store. Yeah. I'm so tired of every drive-through. Are you using the app today? I would tell you if I was using the app.

today, please just take my order. I don't know why it has to ask me every single time. I forget that they have apps for fast food now. That's great. Which is fine. I think that's like I don't have a problem. I don't use them, but I don't have a problem with them. But you don't, you can just say hello.

I use some apps. But the drive-thru should first say, what can I get for you? Or like, how are you today? And then I could say, oh, I have an order on the app. Yeah. And then they'd give you a few. Yeah. Something I don't think that Google is quite prepared for is, is,

So there's a lot of negativity around the meta-glasses, you know, because people in general hate AI, but people especially hate being filmed without their consent. That's the main thing. And then stuff being put online about it. And I've seen there's clips of people who are like, people would be like, hey, are those meta-glasses? Are you recording me right now? Are you blah-blah? And Google basically went through this with Google Glass 1.0 because they didn't put a recording indicator on the front. I really, really, really hope that they're dictating that every Android XR glass device.

needs to have a recording indicator. They didn't talk much about it. They didn't. It's got to. I hope so. But I just am a little bit worried that the more, because right now there's basically the meta glasses and that's basically it. There's like some other smart glasses, but nobody uses that.

Yeah, but like nobody buys those. So I'm a little concerned that like once, because the Android ecosystem of smart glasses, which will be a ton of companies at some point, once those come out, no, everyone's going to be like, am I being recorded right now all the time? right? Because at least when someone picks up their phone and records you, it's obvious to you. Yeah. But the amount of unwanted recording is going to go way up and the sentiment around AI glasses is going to go way down. I wonder if, I mean, I don't know if they would do this, but I wonder if it's possible for Google to add some sort of a hardware requirement for Android XR glasses.

So it's like if you want to use Android XR, you must have insert minimum resolution here, insert cameras here, insert light. insert like indicator recording light. Yeah. That would be neat. Yeah. I hope so. It should be also when the glasses are recording when you didn't ask them to. Anytime the cameras turn on.

Anytime that sensor is detecting light, period, a light should be. Which is something that... Feels obvious. pixels do, right? Or is it Android's do? Where like you can have the indicator come on that. Any single time that the microphone or the camera is turned on, there is an indicator in your status bar.

Yeah, that's an Android feature. So I hope Android XR has that as well. Yeah. Yeah. Weirdly enough, like when Meadow released the Raybans and they were trying to get you to use the AI features and like literally nobody uses them, I always thought that the AI stuff was stupid. But that's mostly because I don't trust meta and I don't trust meta AI. But because you use Google all the time, I actually see a lot of use cases where I have a thought about it. Because I take photos about things and then search them all the time.

So being able to do that and knowing it's Google on the back end, I feel a lot more confident in it. So I would actually probably use this type of product a lot. Yeah. The problem is the cameras. Yeah. It depends on how plugged in you're willing to be. Imagine the Magic Q moment where you don't even have a display, but someone texts you and goes,

hey, remember that picture from the crane on top of Marquez's Tesla? And you're like, and the assistant on your glasses goes, do you want to just send them in the picture? And it doesn't even show you the picture. Oh, God. Do you trust it that much? Do you trust it that much? And then it's like, Misto's replied, what the fuck?

Why would you send you that? Why would you serve? Well, imagine you ask your glasses to buy you your cappuccino and you get there and you've got like a triple deluxe ham sandwich or something, you know? Yeah. I mean, you got to take a picture of it with your. Experience. Or like, worse, all of the stuff you just said works on the first try. And then you're just this weird meat vessel for a Google data center somewhere.

Which is exactly what they were. Like, picture like, then like a few days later to be like, yo, thanks for sending me that pick. And you're like, I don't know what you're talking about. I just wear the glasses. I just arrive at the coffee shop. You pick up your food. Like, why am I here?

Because it just suggests you things nonstop and you just say yes or no. It's like, turn left. You're like, why am I turning? Where am I going? Coffee shop. I feel like a lot of these tech companies used to try to solve problems. And now they're just... Both.

No, I feel like they're trying to like guide user behavior instead of answer. 100% are issues. 100%. Many of you guys seen Star Trek 2, Rath of Khan? Yeah, it's like the brain worm thing. It is, there's this weird thing where like,

I think a lot of tech companies believe that people don't know what they want until you show it to them, which was true for a long time in a lot of things. But now with these convenience features, it's almost like you're guiding people along with things that, come on, you definitely want this. You definitely want us. to order that thing for you and, like, direct you to the thing that you usually do.

And it just becomes like you start just following along the AI instead of making your own decisions. And they want you to do that because then they can go to advertisers and say, hey, we can sell your product to people. Look how good we are. You shouldn't use meta. You should use Google shopping. And then it'll all have been worth it.

Yeah. And then all the AI investment will be worth it. Okay. Are we old? Yeah. Okay. Okay. This whole time I've been like, I hit, there's the line.

Yeah. We hit it. I'm the boomer now. Like, kids are going to be like, you just get with the time. Gramps. And like, this is the line that I'm not with the time. It's weird because a lot of, like, in my life, I feel like I am perfectly in the middle of regular people and then very much technology people. And everyone on the technology side seems to be very excited for the AI.

And then everyone in my regular life is like, this is the worst thing ever. It's going to kill us all. So we kind of like tow that line. And I feel myself going, I'm excited for it. I'm scared of it, but it's cool, but it's like, why are we doing this? I can be flip-flopping all over this. Optimistic about AI while totally fucking sick of what's going on with it right now. And exhausted by it.

I want to make videos about, like, you know, AI stuff on my channel, but not like AI-AI. I want to make videos about like top five prompts too. No, not like that. I want to make like theoretical thought-provoking videos. The 15 agents I deployed this week. Yeah, more like what happens if this AI thing. works and like what do what does that say about society whatever but i does kind of all get lumped together that's the problem one big ai yeah so if there are little pieces of it that are that are great like

the tools we talk about all the time that we may use whether it's like oh we got to make like a little frame i.o that's for us that has special features or even just like help me cut something out of Photoshop easier that gets something to the same AI as like all the chat pots and all the other things that are happening and all the AI on the glasses and it's all a i so it's all has this label so it just kind of gets locked it's like the same thing. same AI that lets you generate a useful widget on Android to help you track your run and how many things are going to do before the marathon gets lumped into all the rest of the things that you've heard about AI for the past hour. Right. Yeah, that's a problem. We've been talking for way more than an hour.

Yeah. I think a lot of people just feel really insulted given how many like serious flaws there are in the world right now, like climate change being a big one. When people like Google and meta come out and be like, no, but the biggest thing we need to solve is like, how do we get your Google Docs to write themselves? And take your job. And we're going to do the worst thing America has done to the environment in 50 years to accelerate this. You know, they actually had a very, very, very brief section about weather models with

AI. Yeah. That was super interesting because weather models right now are just throwing a ton of compute at a ton of data from all over the country and trying to decide what the weather is going to be in how potentially dangerous weather could happen in certain places and trying to get as accurate as possible. And just from all the research I've been doing about weather models, these AI models kind of came out of nowhere and are immediately surpassing these ancient models that we've been using forever. And it's like, holy shit, this is super useful for like determining

whether there's going to be dangerous storms in these places. Yeah. And they just kind of breezed over that and moved to the next thing. Because it was a reannouncement. Because they announced this like a around for like a year basically since they started doing it. But like that's the type of stuff that could make awesome headlines, super useful, really great stuff. They also had those, like this very brief thing at the beginning where they're like, we're going to cure all disease. And then they just moved on. Yeah, right. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. And I think the proof that all that is nonsense was in that, in the open AI Tesla-Elon court case, when all, like, in all those internal emails that got released.

At no point were Sam and Elon emailing each other like, guys, we're about to cure all disease. Like, we should just put our differences aside and cure all disease. No, the whole time they're like, this is going to take over the world. I want to be the guy that's the super billionaire running the world. Like they don't even believe it's going to cure all disease. It's just something they say. This is what Google has been doing for a decade.

This is what their AI teams were working on. it's just that when Chad GBT came out and everyone was like, well, we could get money. They started turning it all into consumer products and now we are where we are. Yeah. But they've had these alpha fold tools. They've had the weather models. Yeah. They've been doing this.

Yeah. And it was just that they would work very quietly in the background with the people who it mattered for. Yeah. And now they're trying to tell us all what it matters for. Yeah. As soon as Chad GBT launched, they were like, oh, we have to make AI the main consumer product as instead of just using it as a background tool. Because that's, to your point, Marquez, about the weather model is just being updated with AI features. What they used to do and what Apple used to do would just be like, look at this awesome tool that you actually can have a use for.

It's powered by machine learning. But they would actually tell you what was useful about it. And now everything is just a demo of something that you could do, but you would never do. They do it like the other way around where they're like, we have this new feature. It's called AI. Yeah. And you're like, oh, boy, another thing. Instead of, look at this cool thing, it can do this.

it uses AI to do it. Yeah. I think that's the problem with like these these hot words, these words that just get super hyped and there's like no nuance in them, you know, like big data or like internet of things or like they just call it under this giant umbrella and there's no nuance underneath it.

Do you know what word is? Does live up to the hype? My brain is. Sorry. Trivia. What is that? Thank. You were ready though.

You were ready. You knew where I was going. There's two music's playing it once. That was good. I was so stressed right now. Yeah, this has been a really rambly. It's really hot. It was a rambly.

I mean, anyway, let's just get into trivia. Let's just get into it. Adam's like, I'm about to crash up. Two more words could have led to it to it. This is going to be the hardest to edit of all time. Which of the following is not a real Google project? Firebase. Bazzal.

Angle. Apache Beam. How do you spell bazal? B-A-Z-A-L. Basel? Sure. Like, art basil? Well, that's E-L.

Oh. That would be how, like, a tech company making basil would spell it. That's an I, though. Well, no, it's, I know I'm saying that spell different. It's also an S. Yeah. I think it would just be B-A-Z-L. B-Z-L.

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All right, welcome back. We didn't talk about this because Google didn't talk about it. They put it in a little Android developer blog, but WearOS 7 officially got announced, which for those that don't know, is the OS that runs on your Google Smartwatch. There's some high-level stuff here. There's some stuff that's good. I'm just going to run through it really quickly. They're adding flexible and dynamic wear widgets, so now they support new card layouts, which align very well for the mobile format. So they look the same on your phone and on your watch, which is good.

You have live updates on your watch. So if you know live updates like Uber or whatever that can sort of show you how close your car is, you can now show that on your watch. Or sports. Or sports. Yeah. Like Arsenal winning the Premier League. Which is crazy that they didn't have that on the watch before because it seems like that would be the best place to look at it. But, you know, whatever.

App Functions allows developers to integrate their apps with agents so people can complete tasks using their voice. That's helpful. Task automation users can invoke and track task automation like asking your phone to order DORDash for you. Now you can see that on your watch. So previously you would ask your pixel to order Dardash for you and you would see it happening on your phone but you wouldn't be able to know what was happening in real time on your watch.

Now you can see the steps it's taking on your watch to make sure if it's accidentally ordering you like a car off of Amazon instead of your burrito, you can stop it, which is good. Workout tracker. There is now a rich standardized workout tracking experience that includes heart rate monitoring, media control, and other things. So now if you're making a fitness app, there's a standardized layout that you can use to make sure that the watch app looks good. So if you just made the app for Android, you don't have to completely redesign a separate watch app.

You can just use Google standardized one, which is cool. There are enhanced system media controls. So there is per app media auto launch controls, which means that if you open Spotify, like on your phone, the media controls with like playback and like pause forward back up down volume stuff like that Android yeah so now if you it's like if you open youtube music it doesn't show up on your watch but if you open Spotify it does show up in your watch because they want to give you as much control as possible I suppose there's also an audio output switcher on the watch now so if you have your phone connected to multiple sources you say you want to come out of the kitchen or you want to

get them at the bedroom you can switch it from your watch which is helpful and then they made the updated watch face format, which is a way to make watch faces. Now it's watch face format 5. There's enhanced alignment options, auto size enhancements, blend modes, stroke joints, and hierarchical settings.

That's about it. Type. I'm going to use maybe one of those. Yeah. It's so funny because that's something that would have been so good visually on a screen on a stage that they had for two hours and decided.

Which is why I feel like they shouldn't even have done the Android show. They should have just made it half of I.O. and then done the Gemini stuff. So then at an hour in, we could all leer, and then they could talk about Gemini. But the retention. Yeah.

Did you want to talk about this camera thing? I'm going to talk about it for five seconds. I thought you might know more about it, but... Yeah, I was in the wilderness. Yeah, yeah. I saw this because on the X-1006 subreddit, someone posted as like, oh, is this the new X-100 competitor.

It seems like it's way more of a RX-100 type competitor. But I then looked at it. it. And the coolest thing about this is how the lens comes out. It's like a lens cap that is built into the camera and it opens up like a little tri-gate. Yeah, it's got three

flaps. Yeah, it looks like the like something in like Indiana Jones where they had to like shove a relic into a big stone door to open it and it opens in these like three flaps and then the zoom lens comes out of it. Anyways, it's a small like

compact point and shoot camera. It looks pretty cool. Petipixel has a whole review on it if you actually care about it, but the way it comes out looks really cool. Yeah. That's all I have. Hopefully you don't drop it while it's open and then break one of the hinges off. Yeah, to be fair, dropping most cameras in that up. Would that be in a rough spot?

And to be fair, the flaps aren't that important. They just kind of act as like a dust protector. Yeah, the gold color looks pretty sweet. Yeah, it does. Cool. All right. Most important thing. All right.

So now that you guys have made it this far under the podcast, I know that you're real fans. you made it this far past all the rambling and all the stuff that we've talked about and so instead of hitting the code word in the comments, this is a great time to share with you something that we're really proud of

that is maybe the coolest thing we've ever done. So you guys know the Marble Olympics, like the jealous Marble Run YouTube channel? Is it jealous or jealous? I only know about this because you guys talk about it all the time. You've probably, it's come across your feet at some point in the last decade.

They're kind of iconic. I don't know if it has. They're kind of like. They're awesome. They have essentially like a bunch of different events. It's like Marble Olympics, like a bunch of different events that they can run and they all compete against each other. They have sponsors. Yeah.

These marble teams have sponsors. I think you undersold it a little. These people, the marble events, like there are sprints. There's hurdles. There's like javelin. There's everything you could imagine. There's Marbula 1, which has Marbula 1, full-blown, like, attempted track recreations in a marble run

where each marble is representing a different driver in Formula One and they do qualifying beforehand. It's completely out of this world with incredible, like, they have the timing metrics and everything now for everyone. Anyways, yeah, it's awesome. It's exactly what you're picturing. We decided we'd love to get involved

and instead of just sponsoring one team, we decided every channel that we run should have a team so that we can root for them. So here on the Wayform podcast, we do have a sponsor Marble team. We do. That would be, well, specifically,

the Solar Flares are the Wayform team. We're like an OG gels Marvel Run team. Solar Flares have been competing for at least five years, if not like way longer. Yeah. It's the Wayform, bro. It's awesome.

We need their rookie card. Yeah, we are proudly sponsoring that Marvel team here at Wayform. But that also means the Autofocus Channel is also involved. They are sponsoring the plasma team. The Studio Channel is sponsoring the primary team.

I believe the Studio Channel's team has already been relegated. Yeah, they got relegated. That was fast. Yeah, they had some poor performances early. And the MKBHD team, the Blackjack's team, is doing really well. So, you know, now that you've made it this far, we highly recommend going over and checking out what those marble teams are up to and rooting for your favorite one.

Maybe you're going to root for the Wayform team. But you're clearly going to root for the wayform team. You're clearly going to root for the Blackjack team. I'm going to steal Alex. You're part of all of these channels, Marquez. I know. The Black Jack team needs to be tested for performance. They're doing so well.

I'm really proud of them. The Black Jack team is? Of course. Marquez is so good at everything. Of course, he would pick one of the teams and can destroy all of us. It's the Mad Black Marble Man. The one thing that Marquez doesn't actually need his competence to do and run, he still wins that. I'm very upset about it.

And the season, it's a long season. Okay. Okay. There's a lot of events. You can still lose. Yeah, for sure. We switch teams to our collective team if we start winning? No, I'm going to stick with my team. But, you know, the waveform team should stick with their team too.

We should watch all these teams. We should watch the events. Some stuff is live, too. You can literally watch them as they happen. They're really exciting. So go check them out. We'll link whatever we can below so you can go support and check out our teams. Yeah, Marble Rots.

We will retweet the first person who posts a picture with the Solar Filler Marble Merble merch. watching waveform. The solar flare. Is that fair? You can buy the team marbles on the or you can buy jerseys, I think. That's incredible. Do you guys know who the marbles

on the solar flare are? I have the team roster pulled up. The names of the marbles? Wait, they have names. I forgot there's a whole. Yeah, who's our roster? Coming from the seaside city of Meteorene, the solar flares participated in the Stardust Classic

and won the Herbatamia in an invitational, allowing them and the gliding glaciers to be invited to compete in Marble League 2021 qualifiers. We are represented by... Actually, hold on. What am I doing? Get the music on anymore. Why am I not even seeing... We are represented by...

Flair, scorch, radiance, ember, and blaze. Aren't you glad I have that button just like... Ready to go? So we will be big time watching our marbles and supporting them through the rest of the season because it's the most exciting thing we've ever been a part of. The main screen in our office is either our work calendar or marble runoff is going on, the like four-hour live streams of it. It's true.

Or disc golf too. Yeah, disc golf makes it on there sometimes. That's definitely the bottom. Yeah. So anyway, thank you guys for watching and listening this week. I think it's time for that last segment that we always do. Trivia. Do you have a whiteboard? Oh, you do.

Yeah. Guys, I have before me four women's names, specifically Rachel, Mimi, Robin, and Shakira. What line of smartphones had all four of these as code names? Hmm. Hmm. Oh, gras? You are about to experience things that you can't believe. I can turn it away over there.

Behind the trivia music is crazy. There's so many good ones. David, we put this one in the soundboard. Honestly, it sounds exactly like my flex type. Printer. No, no, it's a scanner. What'd you put? Yeah.

Okay. All right. Marquez, you want to read first? I said Samsung's A series, but I also wanted to point out that there is literally a phone called the Robin. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's good. Yeah, I was thinking that too. Andrew, David, do you want to read your answers at the exact same time?

Are there not the same answer? Yes, they are. Well, let's say with the same time. You said a lineup of phone, correct? Two. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You said a lineup of phone. Sony doesn't make... Oh my God, you've been back for one day.

If he said Samsung and it was the A series, would you have counted that? Does Sony even make Experia? They have several Experians. You didn't... You just wrote Experia 1. They also have Experia 5. They have Experia 10. What were the things? I actually was debating putting 1 or 5.

but you didn't. Are they both? Well, you just put Sony. Is one of them right. Guys, what even is this? Come on, man. You've been back for one day.

And I was like, do I put G or V series? Sony Xperia. That's what I meant. How specific are we guys? You haven't told me the answer yet. What are they? What are the four phones? Those are all Sony Xperia phones.

Here we go. Experia, what? Experia. So these are all, these are the first four Experia phones that ran Android after they switched from Windows phone. So what's the X10A, the Experia X10A, the Experia U20A, the Experia E20A, the Experia E15?

Oh, wait, those are the model that you, excuse me. The Experia X10, the X10 Mini Pro, the X10 Mini, and the Experia X8. So I could get neither of you the point because neither you put Experia X, but I think... Is there a Sony phone that's not an Experia? I think it sounds like they want to be specific, so they got it all wrong. The question was what line and it's the Experia line? Yeah, but nobody would have been able to play. I just feel like if you said that line or that, what company.

But Sony only makes Experia phones. I think they have more than one line. Ellis was going to get both of you a point. He didn't put the other lines. Did we both get it wrong? I don't know. Sony doesn't make non-experia phones? No.

Does Sony make non-experian? I don't want to. It's making me look bad, but I don't know. That feels like a very vague answer. But there's only one. I'm just saying. They're all like, I don't know what to do here. Okay, here's the thing.

If I give Andrew the point, you know, then he's tied with Marquez. We get like this nice competitive thing. And then if I give David the point, he's even farther ahead of everyone else. I think that should be taken into account. I think we should both get points. Yeah, yeah. Neither of you got a point right now. In the comments, let us know either David, Andrew, both.

Neither did the point. Really? the point. What is Gemini said? It was so implied. We'll let the comments section figure this one out. It is so implied. Wow, guys.

All right, well, since no points have been awarded. Bring Mariah back. Top number one comment. Easy. Andrew, you've officially initiated my grudge. Right. I would like to kick off hour 39 of this podcast episode with an update to the score. Andrew, you are carrying the one with 25 points, maybe 26.

We'll see. Marquez, you are just ahead of him with 26 actual real points. And David, you are still far in the lead with 29 points. There's a point where I was like double both of their scores put together. No, you did start this season with a huge, hugely. We're also so overdue for an extravagant. Yeah, like significantly. Question number two, which of the following is not a real Google project?

A, Firebase. B, Buzz All. C. Angle. Or C. Apache or D, Apache Beam. Hmm.

Hmm. What do you guys think? Apache Beam. More like it's so hot in here. Flip them and read. What do you got? Wow.

Okay. I'm different again from the other two. I said Bazaal. Wrong. That is a real answer. Spelled it wrong. I think the spelling is It's B-A-Z-E-L.

Like, Basel? That's not how you spelled it before, was it? That's not how you pronounced that. Oh, I don't know. Basil. You spelled it B-A-Z-A. Okay. B-Z-L-B-Z-L.

It's a... Tomato Tomato. It's their own Sony Xperia. Yeah. Their what tool? It's a build tool that has built and support

for building both client and server software. And then we said, what is that even mean? I don't know, bro. I don't know. This is on their page, Google open source.

All right. It's called basil. We said C. Is that how you pronounce it? Yeah, you said bazaal. I thought that was real. Bazel. It's literally called basal.

Well, it was, well, what Adam said wasn't real. Exactly. That's why I should get the point. No, but it was real. It's a real thing. Bazaal is not real. Well, I don't know. I've never heard this spoken out loud. It could very

well be Bazaal. It's, I Googled it. And it's pronounced Bazaal? No, it's called Baisal. But it's not spelled like Baisal. Because it's a tech company. Yeah, this is how Google pronounces it. Basil. What does Google know?

Andrew, David, what did you guys put? C. For angle. I forgot what it was for us. and I put both to be specific. That is. You don't have to be specific. And I put an angle.

All right. Well, this is all going to be determined in the comments because I'm not adding a point on the screen until you guys tell me whether Marquez should get that point or not. 75. I feel like I've been robbed again. I feel like Bazaal is clearly not real. But didn't you just say that you? The audience will decide. You said, tell me which one's not real.

Google Bazzol. I said that one's not real. But one of them is very obviously not real. Yeah, but was it? I was right. There's two correct answers. We'll see. We'll see.

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