Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Google Leaked Its Entire Pixel Lineup

Episode Date: March 17, 2023

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David had a lot to talk about. First, they get into the Samsung controversy about using "Space Zoom" to take photos of the moon. After that, they go into all the new Pixel leaks that popped up this week. We have some specs about the Pixel 8, some renders of the Pixel Fold, and straight up photos of the upcoming Pixel 7a (which hasn't even been announced yet). Then everyone gets existential talking about AI before we wrap it all up with some trivia. Links: Samsung Reddit thread: https://bit.ly/redditsamsungmoonthread Samsung response: https://bit.ly/samsungresponds Pixel 7a leaks: https://bit.ly/VergePixel7aleak Pixel Fold renders: https://bit.ly/pixelfoldrenders Pixel 8 leaks: https://bit.ly/pixel8leak Google Workspace AI: https://wapo.st/40e4k1b Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Twitters: Waveform: https://twitter.com/wvfrm Marques: https://twitter.com/mkbhd Andrew: https://twitter.com/andymanganelli David: https://twitter.com/DurvidImel Adam: https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And I'm David. And this week, we've got a mysterious product that we want to talk about. It's sort of a weird one, but it exists in real life, and you've already seen it if you're watching this podcast. Trust me. We've also got Google Pixel leaks. Surprise, surprise. I know that doesn't happen very much.

And also, we'll wrap it up with Google finally announcing some of its plans to challenge Microsoft and ChatGPT. But first of all, can we talk about the moon for a second? And how the moon landing was fake? You still believe in the moon? Oh. Just kidding. I think the whole internet collectively had like a wave of

this Samsung moon photo story. It kind of just washed over the internet for like a week. I made a video sort of breaking it down, explaining what's happening. To rewind a little bit, Galaxy S23 Ultra has a 100X space zoom. And it's not the first one.

I think the S21 Ultra was the first one to have, or S20 Ultra? S20 Ultra was the first one to have a space. It was called Space Zoom. Yeah, Space Zoom. And so Space Zoom, you know, interesting name, to have their s20 ultra s20 old yeah it was called space zoom yeah space zoom and so space zoom you know interesting name but the idea is you can zoom in 100x to things really really far away and what's further away than space you want to take pictures of things in space um and in some of their earliest and most interesting advertising zoom in on the moon take a picture of the moon. Cool. Um, so that's what people have been doing,

uh, for years. And I think in the past we realized that Huawei, they were accused of faking their moon photos, which they, you know, people would zoom in really far on the moon on some Huawei phones and they'd take a photo of a blurry moon. And then somehow their photo would be really detailed and be like, what's going on here. And that had, that had its old wave that already washed over the internet. Yeah. that was the P30 series, which was like the first phone with that periscope camera. And so they made a huge deal that you could actually get that close to the moon.

And there was a huge controversy over whether that they were faking it or not. And there's this whole section of the internet that's like, look at how bad the iPhone's camera is. It's just a blob on the iPhone. And then so that comparison always happens. So now Samsung has this thing happen where I think maybe a month ago, I made a short zooming in. We had a full moon. I zoomed all

the way in. I just posted the clip cause it was impressive on Twitter and had like 20 million views the next day. Like it kind of blew up. Um, and in that I sort of said, well, at least they're not doing the thing that Huawei got accused of doing of like overlaying the moon uh but now they are getting accused of that exact thing so what's interesting is we had a reddit user uh do an experiment because he was sort of uh thinking that maybe Samsung was enhancing their moon photos a little bit so he took a printout of a photo of the moon and uh actually no not a printout I think it's just a on a monitor made in Photoshop you know put it across the room zoom all the way in to 50x 100x and take a picture of the image of the moon on a screen and it works it looks like the moon then he takes a blurry image of the moon takes a picture of

that and the end result is like dramatically sharpened much more detail than the original image could ever have, which leads us to all believe whatever is going on here, it's fake detail. Samsung is doing something. Turns out they've been doing this for generations since like S10 or something like that. There's a whole page of documentation on Samsung's site that talks about this. But I always thought it was funny because we always talk about like computational photography and I did the video on the iPhone's camera and I did another video called smartphone cameras versus reality and smartphone cameras, they just edit reality. They just edit all the time and this

one particular thing people really seem to get attached to which is moon photos which is as far as I can tell not a very common picture to take but it's such an obvious use case where people can notice that it's quote faking the image of the moon it's with ai etc it's it's an interesting story i just felt like that was a fun wave of internet i think it's like not common in the sense that we don't see everyone taking it but it still winds up being if you think about all the pictures taken of a singular thing in the entire world it might be the most common because if you're thinking of people you still have to think of them as individual people so it does have this opportunity to be the one thing that everyone in the world can see and take a picture

of is the moon and therefore the most photographed thing of all time, singular thing. I don't know. I mean, it's funny because it's tidally locked, right? So it's going to look the exact same from all angles of the earth on every single night. Prove it. I could if you want me to. And so everyone's images are going to look vaguely the same. It's like, it's like those things happen on Instagram sometimes where people take almost the exact same photo and then they accuse each other of like stealing each other's images.

And they're slightly different, but they're almost exactly the same. Like the moon is the one thing that's going to look the same to everyone. So if you were going to run a quote unquote scene optimizer on the moon, it would be the easiest thing to do it on. And Samsung actually ended up releasing a statement this morning after we put our video out yesterday or two days ago or whenever we put that out. After multi-frame processing has taken place, Galaxy Camera further harnesses

Scene Optimizer's deep learning based AI detail enhancement that's a lot of words, engine to effectively eliminate remaining noise and enhance the image details even further, which is a lot of words that mean very little. Engine. Engine.

They have this diagram of the pipeline of how it apparently works, and it just shows learning data, low-resolution moon photo, and then it's just like neural engine. No, it's just like some squiggly lines. Beep boop. AI happens. And it's like they never, I don't know, they sometimes deny things, but they sort of use big words to say very little. I think the only thing that I can definitely tell, which is somewhat interesting, is I think most people functionally understand it as going camera sees moon, camera recognizes moon, camera takes picture of of moon puts it on top of my picture

like just an overlay yeah and that's not actually what's happening that would be uh i don't want to say more fake that would just be like more brute force there was an old i think i saw like a vivo phone that wasn't zooming in on the moon but if it was a picture in the dark sky and there was the moon it was like straight up putting a fake oh my god in there and like way closer i'll try and find that photo again but it wasn't like the zoom into the moon just randomly would enhance it so this one's a little more interesting we kind of talked about dolly when it came out how you know generative ai can create a photo from static and find details in however much you want it to find details. This one is like, if I take a picture of the moon

and it's kind of red tonight, it will still enhance it and find all the details of what it knows the moon should look like because scene optimizer is on, but it also will still be kind of red because it is still using my source image and running it through the AI. Oh, they thought they could get away with that?

They called it super moon mode, so I think you were kind of expecting it to be that fake. I guess this one's very different. So for the audio listeners, basically the image on the left, which doesn't have the optimizer on or whatever, is just like kind of

a glowing white, small glowing white dot. And then the resulting image after the photo was taken is a giant moon. Yeah. It's also a one-times photo down like an alleyway. So you're seeing building and then in the sky, it's a small portion of it, but it's still like quadrupling the size of the moon. That one's a little more hint.

Yeah. It's not doing that. But I guess the point is there are tests where like you can put a bunch of like pixels or let's say an airplane flies in front of the moon or a satellite or something happens where your moon actually happens to look a little bit different. Your photo through AI will still have that distinguishing detail. So it's not just an overlay. It is actually running it through this engine, this black box of AI, whatever Samsung is

doing. And so that's what's happening. I just think it's funny that we talk about this so much, but there's no articles about how like, I don't know, you take- Your face? Yeah. The moon is, let's say it's one of the most commonly photographed items. Take another thing like Stonehenge, like a commonly photographed item.

Everyone who takes a photo of it with Samsung scene optimizer turned on, all of their graphs will be greener and all of their pictures, all of their skies will be bluer. And that's not a particularly surprising fact. That's just like the way these phones and their AI process images. They're editing these things all the time. We're just a little more reactive when it's the moon for some reason. we're just a little more reactive when it's the moon for some reason well it's a particular object versus like a general kind of grass and like scene optimizer versus object optimizer is like a little bit different i guess but what happens when like take somewhere like new york city right where we're now we now have like six decades of pretty constant photography in a pretty limited

area like at what point can these like a company like apple or google that has access to these giant amounts of photo sets with location data just start to know what everything looks like from every angle and then that doesn't that sort of blur the line between scene optimizer and object optimizer like if it it was like oh i've seen like 10 000 pictures from this exact intersection i know that at 2 p.m the light hits this building and makes it look crazy so i'm just gonna like do that yeah yeah yeah i think um when i think about that it's it's the what is a photo question there's uh photos of objects and photos of like people and scenes yeah and I think if like you have a billion images of say the empire

state building from 42nd street and someone takes a photo from that spot just like everybody else did your phone recognizes it and sharpens up the windows and does the thing that it knows it's supposed to look like I wouldn't be mad because that's actually reality is what you're getting closer to. But where I would get kind of weirded out is if it's like a group of my friends around the campfire and then the phone's like, oh, I know what your friend's face around the campfire is supposed to look like and changes it. Like I want to remember the moment, not the object. Does that make sense?

I was going to say like at one, at one point your phone basically becomes a search engine like that, that, uh that example with 42nd Street. Yeah, we talked about that. If you took a photo of 42nd Street, but it's like, oh, it's a cloudy day, but this actually looks the best when the sun is hitting it because it's 7 p.m. And so we're just going to overlay what it looks like at 7 p.m. in someone else's photo. Your phone becomes a search engine at that point. It's searching google images and then just basically just kind of overlaying luminar ai like giving you a sky replace yeah

like when you take a photo it's less about taking the photo and it's more about searching a database and showing people that you are at this location that exists i think it should always aim to improve the photo towards reality not towards like like better looking, if that makes sense. Like if I take a photo and it's cloudy, I don't want it to add golden hour. Like I want it to be more accurate because it knows what cloudy is supposed to look like and I'm actually in a cloudy scene. So I don't want it to enhance it and make it look better or different. Because we talked about this with the iPhone thing where it's like it lights your face evenly, even though there's no light on your face. Remember how terrible that picture of me was?

Yeah, at night. And we're like, that doesn't look right because that's not what real life looks like. I would always want it to enhance towards natural, towards reality. And I think it gets kind of weird. Like the moon one is technically, technically enhancing it to be more accurate. Right? I guess. It's making your photo better.

Everyone's photo of the moon more or less should look the same because we all see the same moon. I just don't want them to get to enhancing it and making it look different. Yeah. Counterpoint, the majority of people buying these films do want that. I was just going to say, from a marketing perspective, they absolutely want want your photo to look better i want my face to look better in photos if it's a cloudy day and it could be golden hour in front of the empire state building they're going to make a golden hour in front of the empire this is this is really interesting you've seen this tick tock face filter thing that's going around have you guys seen this i don't have that oh wait wait which okay so there's

a new face there's a new glamour filter in in TikTok that is actually used. It's not an overlay anymore. It's a little different. It's actually generative AI. Oh, no. And so it looks at your face. And so you know how on Snapchat, if you cover half your face, it glitches out and disappears?

On this one, you can obscure parts of your face, and it still perfectly applies the rest of the filter. It's called the glamour filter. And people are universally weirded out by this. Like, everyone's using it and trying it and getting weirded out and that's the theme is because it looks like a super enhanced version of you so i don't i don't think people actually want things to look like super enhanced it's a little weird they just want it to look accurate in one month no one will be weirded out and i was gonna

say i think people do want to like super enhance. In two months, everyone will just be wearing AR glasses and we'll just see it applied to everyone. Which like the makeup industry will collapse and it'll just be AI filters. AR music. Are you trying the glamour? I'm doing it right now. The glamour filter?

I'm pretty hot. I mean, you're just saying. Do I have the glamour filter on my eye? Wait, I want to screen record this. I just have the glamour filter on my eye? Wait, I want to screen record this. I just have the glamour filter in real life. Our eyes are so shiny. It really does. It makes my eyebrows look super clean, and I just got them done.

And cover one of your eyes with your hand, and it just goes, oh, yeah, it's fine. I look like a model. That's so interesting. Very weird. Get ready for our mental health crisis to get even worse. Of course it's TikTok that pulls us off. It's TikTok, so it's like, Snapchat does this too.

Snapchat does the, Snapchat does the overlay stuff and they'll probably start doing AI generative filters too. Do people want that? I don't know. Yes, they do. I feel like two years.

Yes, they do. And then it will be horrible for society in about a year. Do they want a subtly enhanced version or do they just want the golden hour? They want crazy.

They want the crazy. A hundred ten percent. Yeah. Really? Yeah. That's not the reaction enhanced version or do they just want the golden hour they want they want the crazy 110 yeah really yeah that's not the reaction online dating is gonna suck soon i think the reason it's getting that reaction is because people are like being like people will be reactive about this kind of technology but at the end of the day people are going to use it every single day even if you just take one step back like to the photos we're, like, every single photo we take of our face is getting, like, remember the Pixel 6, how over-sharpened it was? Like, that's not much different than this moon shot. Like, clarity 100.

Just, like, that's what the moon shot really feels like it's doing. And that's what it's doing to our faces. Or it's smoothing it so then all of the wrinkles are going away. Like, it's very similar. Yeah, I guess those are in opposite directions though the sharpening is is theoretically more real more realistic and the smoothening is less realistic smooth smoothening smooth smoothing yeah smoothing the smooth the smoothie is less realistic i mean sharpening is not necessarily more realistic and get to the point of it realistic. It just depends on what level of sharpness

and contrast our eyes see. It's all based on... I think our eyes see much more than a camera typically sees. So whenever you can enhance what a camera sees to get more of the detail that your eyes see... Like when you look up at the moon in real life, you see the craters and you see the moon. So when you point the camera at the moon

because you want to capture the moon, you wish it wasn't a blob. You wish you were getting what your eyes were seeing. So I think I personally wanna get more of what my eyes are seeing. For sure. Ideally. As a tool, I think it's kind of cool

because zoom in general on phones is pretty terrible. So like these super zoom into the moon doing that is cool. I hope it can get to the point where if I'm actually zooming in and trying to be like, I saw a grizzly bear at this park and I don't want to get anywhere close to it, but now it's just this brown blur on my phone. If they can enhance that, it'll be pretty

cool. Don't overlay a bear on it. It's going to overlay a bear eating salmon because that's what bears do. In the middle of the woods with no water nearby. Yeah. So now we're just making generative art instead of taking pictures. It's just Do nearby. Yeah. So now we're just making generative art instead of taking pictures. It's just Dolly. Sick.

Yeah, soon we'll just get the Dolly phone, the open AI phone. Yeah. Where it texts all your friends for you because it knows what you would text like. It takes pictures for you

because it knows what your pictures would look like. I have a lot to say about that later in the episode, so stay tuned. You guys might have been wondering earlier when I talked about

this crazy wacky product that you've already seen if you're watching the podcast. I forgot that we brought that up. Yeah. It's this. It's right here. It's on my wrist.

This, if you're an audio listener, would be a pretty good time to switch to video because this is going to be hard to explain or demonstrate. Sorry, Derek. Sorry, Derek. Thanks, Derek. Who's Derek? Who's Derek? My bad, Derek. He's my favorite.

He's a friend of mine who admitted that he only listens to the audio version of the podcast. Who's Derek? Who's Derek? My bad, Derek. He's my favorite. He is someone, he's a friend of mine who admitted that he only listens to the audio version of the podcast. Derek. Derek. I mean, a lot of people do that. No, yeah, they do. I see you guys. You're fine.

It's a podcast. I get it. Have we explained what it is yet? No, but I want to. Okay. I'll try for audio people. I'll try. I'm wearing a Huawei watch, smartwatch, and it looks like a pretty normal watch.

It's a thicker one, and if you were wearing it like me, you'd feel it's a little heavier than normal uh but it's a smart watch it's got a nice big circular display it's got metal all the way around it's got one button on the side and it's got a metal watch strap and oh my god it opens up you already forgot how to open and and if you can see that there's there's gonna be a dope tech video probably soon by the time this goes up that also shows these um but you open it up and there's earbuds there's earbuds inside and you just pop them out i was going to put in my ear as if i could put them on my headphones but these little tiny bullet capsule there is like the size of it it's the size of an actual pill like max mac is underneath this right now he could class so he would think that's food he would think that's food so these sort of magnetize

into the top and they snap back down into the watch i had very low expectations for this and it's because my theory about two-in-one devices and i'm sure many people have experienced this is when you try to combine two different categories of products into one product something's got to be worse usually both yeah like when you get a two-in-one laptop and it's trying to be a tablet and a laptop it's usually not a great tablet or a great laptop just being honest but it's two-in-one so that's cool this is kind of along the same lines the smartwatch loses some battery it still gets like pretty good battery life what is pretty good what have you seen so huawei watch gt claims like 10 to 14 days of battery i don't believe that at all

maybe we don't believe it but this claims three days of battery life so it's worse than the normal but it's usable and i'm on day two right now i haven't done a whole lot on it so i'm at 82 because it's not connected to the phone but it's tracking my heart rate tracking my calories tracking my miles all that stuff it's just acting like a normal watch fine um the earbuds they suffer because they have to draw battery and charge from the uh the smart watch so that's going to take battery from the smart watch but they're also tiny um not really bad they sound not great they have active noise cancellation. You can't really tell. It's not that good. And then the controls,

you kind of have to tap this very tiny area and it's supposed to also be able to respond to like you tapping your temple or the side of your head. Very hit or miss. Three hour battery life before you have to recharge it. So to me, it's like, it's fine.

It's like the convenience factor of you being in the airport and you get a phone call and you just want to grab it real quick you just pop an earbud out put one of them in your ear and you're on the phone just like that that's awesome you're never going to lose your earbud case because guess what you're wearing it that's cool but i'm not about to sit down and like listen and watch a movie on these earbuds this is not like for the for the long-term high quality listening experience this is just like a the long-term, high-quality listening experience. This is just like a convenience play.

And so for that, it was better than I expected, but I would still never get them. Also, they have to be used on Huawei phones. This particular one, yeah. It has to. It's a Huawei product that pairs with a Huawei phone. Can we compare thickness here? We've got three pretty...

This is weird for audio listeners. Sorry, audio listeners. We'll say it out loud. We have an Apple Watch Ultra, a Garmin Epyx Gen 2, and then Huawei Watch Buds. So it's funny because the watch is called Watch Buds. Yeah. It's the Watch Buds.

It's about the same thickness as your Garmin. It's actually a little bit chunkier than Apple. I would say it was the bottom of it. No, it's thicker. It's thicker. It's thicker. Yeah. But it's got the bottom of it no it's it's thicker it's thicker it's thicker yeah but it's got the shape of a normal Huawei smartwatch it's it doesn't look crazy on my wrist it looks like a normal it looks big it looks like a big premium smartwatch on my wrist

it's not it doesn't look out of place I'm actually kind of impressed that it doesn't look ridiculous and it opens up and there's earbuds inside and you would never think that looking at them I actually kind of want to do one of those one one of those videos. I always want to do these videos where you go into New York city and you hand someone a tech product and you're like, tell me about it. What do you think? And I would do that with these. And I don't think anyone would think there's earbuds inside. Nobody would think there's earbuds inside. Like I've wanted to do that video with promotion and give people like an iPhone, one with promotion on and one with promotion off and be like swipe around

how do you feel about the screen and just see if anybody notices because I always have this theory that people notice as soon as they figure out what's happening I don't think anyone would notice people have run those tests on high refresh rate versus low refresh rate and only a few people notice yeah it's like

30% of people notice. John did the like PPI on the XR and the XR and the XR and like it was very even. That one. Like a lot of people didn't really. Yeah. I just want, I like to experiment with the framing of it. Like if you just hand them the two phones and say, notice anything, you probably won't get anything.

But if you say, swipe back and forth a little bit, does one of them feel different swiping back and forth? Then you start to get people going, oh yeah, wait a second. This one feels smoother. And then they can't unsee it anymore. And it kind of, that effect happens. That's a fun project I've wanted to do and just haven't done yet. But this one, nobody would suspect a thing.

It's just normal. You're James Bond. It's fun. It is a very like 007 kind of fun gadget. Oh my God, It's just normal. You're James Bond. It's fun. It is a very 007 kind of fun gadget. Is James Bond the good guy or a bad guy? I think he's a hero. I might be wrong.

We're going to take a quick break, but before we do, we should do trivia. Trivia! Okay, so we spoke about the Huawei Watch Bud sure did but we want to throw it back to the ogs in the game yeah so before google acquired fitbit fitbit acquired a company called pebble sure did they had a very impressive kickstarter launch they raised about 10 million dollars in

like a couple months um what year did that happen in? The Kickstarter? Yeah, the Kickstarter. The actual Kickstarter funding. Wow. Okay, I remember some details around my life and I'm just going to have to work backwards. That's what I'm trying to do. Yeah. I'm going to guess. Okay, perfect. Solid. We'll do the answers at the end

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if you or someone you know has concerns about gambling, visit connectsontario.ca Alright, we're back. Let's talk about, this is a kind of a rare story in tech. This almost never happens, but we actually have a little bit of leaked information from a new Pixel phone before it's even announced. This is

wild. We don't get to, this is like, I try not to pay attention to leaks. I want it to be a surprise. And Google stuff is almost always a complete surprise when it comes out. They go on stage, they go, this is a Pixel. I go, dang, you did nice. So that's all sarcasm.

This might be a bigger story than the yellow iPhone. It might be. So this time we just got a little taste of the Pixel 7a. Just a little breadcrumb. And the breadcrumb is someone has the entire phone already and took high resolution detailed photos of every angle of it and put them online and booted it up and booted it up and has lots of interesting things to say about it fun um okay so we knew there was going to be a 7a because we've had the 5a and the 6a and this

looks kind of like the 6a yeah again uh but it's a 7a the details are had the 5a and the 6a and this looks kind of like the 6a yeah again but it's the 7a the details are kind of just that it's going to have a lot of the same specs that we expected it's two 12 megapixel cameras uh a single sim no headphone jack flat screen the metal bar camera on the back if you look at these photos they kind of have like this really subtle pattern i don't know how do we feel about this pattern i kind of think it looks like when you take a case off that has adhesive and it just like left a residue on the phone in a pattern but maybe that's part of the phone i think it kind of looks like the s you used to draw in high school or in like middle school in that one corner i kind of like it i think it like adds a little to it um i think like since

the regular models usually have the two tone like the a series is always one solid color through so it adds a little something different that differentiates from the the top model but yeah i don't know it's kind of nice okay case slapped on it immediately yeah that's a fact but okay two improvements two main improvements why you would be interested in this new 7a one is the they're saying that there's an option for a 90 hertz screen, which I assume is like a software setting that they found. Yeah, like it uses additional battery, but would get smoother. Yeah, higher refresh rate.

So that's, I like, I mean, I'm interested. I think it's big also because the 6a was the one that had the 90 hertz panel, but no options and people were hacking ways to find it. So this looks like we're actually getting just the default option for 90 hertz panel but no options and people were hacking ways to find it so this is looks like we're actually getting just the default option for 90 hertz yeah which i think is why that they maybe there's a little bit of a bigger battery or something i don't know but they've maybe this one has 90 hertz which is cool high refresh rate on this level of a phone is becoming more and more common the other thing is it's had a glass back, but now finally has allegedly five watt wireless charging. Five watt wireless charging, it's not fast,

but it is wireless charging. It's better than nothing. And so again, in a world where it's like in budget phones, you either just cut corners and nix features or like maybe barely include a feature. Like you'll see a phone with like four cameras on the back. You're like, wow, multi cameras. And they're like, one of them's a macro,

one of them's a black and white camera, and one of them's a depth sensor. And you're like, you didn't have to spend that money. I don't want any of those. This one is like, some people really like wireless charging. In a world of people buying the Pixel 7a, I feel like a lot of them are coming from a phone that didn't have wireless charging

and it'll be nice and convenient to have it. Yeah. Just have it. Yeah. Trickle charge overnight. Yeah. Fine. I'm totally fine with have wireless charging and it'll be nice and convenient to have it yeah just have it yeah trickle charge overnight yeah fine i'm totally fine with slow wireless charging if i'm being honest like yeah because most of my wireless charging is done over a long period of time and i can do it so often because i can just pick it up so easy like i don't know i don't really care mine is not done over a long period of time so So like fast wireless charging is really nice for me. Because I don't really plug my phone in physically anymore at all ever.

And I don't always remember to put on the charger at nighttime. Oh, that sounds like a you problem. Well, I usually do. But sometimes I'm like, you know, using my phone and I just pass out on the couch or something. I just forget to plug it in. So fast charging. Yeah, fast wireless charging would be nice. But like you said, so here's a real world example. My sister wants a new phone, but she only wants small phones.

She bought a Pixel 6 and returned it because she hated how big it was, even the regular 6, because she has girl pants and girl pants don't have pockets. I asked her if a Pixel 6a would work for her because it's a smaller device. A little smaller. And she doesn't really care about literally anything except for the fact that her if a Pixel 6a would work for her because it's a smaller device and she doesn't really care about literally anything except for the fact that it's a Pixel, but she said, oh, I'm used to having wireless charging and I need wireless

charging. Ooh, that's a specific, okay, so needs to be small and needs to have wireless charging. I was about to go straight to Zenfone. I also told her Zenfone, but she's really hooked on Pixels. Okay, because Zenfone is the closest thing you can get to a Pixel but it does not have wireless charging.

I'm assuming pricing is going to be about the same as last Pixel 6a, Pixel 5a. It was a $350 something like that? I think it was more. I think it was $399. I thought 6a went up a little bit from the 5a, right? If they add 90Hz and add 5W wireless charging

I wouldn't be shocked if it was at the top of what they were doing last time. Yeah, $449, yeah. Oh, $449. Yeah, I would hope it's the same. Now it's $300. It's on sale for $300. Okay, see, $449, you start to get phones that have like, because this is going to have a Tensor chip,

you start to get phones that have like 90, yeah, 90 hertz, sometimes 120 hertz, sometimes already wireless charging. Yeah, this is mid-range territory. Even with these two these two new options i still think it should be 449 if they're just going to keep bumping the price up 30 or 50 every then it's just going it's just going to be the six soon or you know the seven or the low end eight i think the pixel 4a was the best a phone ever and i think it started at like 340 they were phone ever. And I think it started at like three, four, they were like three 50 at some point.

Yeah. They started at three. I think it was three 49 and it was like such a good phone. That was one of my favorite phones ever. The four a was so good. So good. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, we'll keep an eye on that now, believe it or not, there is actually more, there's more pixel leaks. I know this is crazy. This never happens. Um,

pixel fold. We've sort of been like anticipating for a while, thinking Google's gonna do a folding phone. Every year it's like, is this the year? And then the next year we're like, okay, this might be the year. It seems like 2023 is the year we're gonna get a folding Pixel phone.

And there are some renders of it by people who have sources that seem to think it's gonna look kind of like an Oppo Find N. So'll be if you remember the end it's a slightly shorter and more passport shaped um folding phone so the screen on the front is i think more usable for one-handed use like a normal phone and then you open it and it's not a gigantic inside screen, but it is more screen. And you can do two-handed multitasking, multi-window, fun Pixel stuff. I am firmly, I'm bracing myself for this to be another classic example of Pixel is all about software and don't get it if you're expecting the most premium hardware.

If you want the most premium hardware, you'll probably have to get the oppo find n or the samsung but you or something else get it in america right or one of the at least a samsung phone that like you know is tested from years of having folding phones yeah and the google advantage is going to be well it's a pixel so you're going to want all the magic of the software and the cameras and everything else that's what i'm bracing myself for i don't expect this to like blow me out of oh my god there's no bezel oh my god there's no crease i don't i don't expect any of that yeah that's where i'm at yeah but yeah which would make me sad jinx everybody's close close we're both sad and that's all that matters yeah counterpoint though the pixel watch was actually really nice hardware

really nice hard i think the software is almost where it like that kind of the bezel was rough i do think the overall design made the bezel less annoying just because it like looked good in the like rounded edges but yeah it was good design i would say that distinguished between good design and good hardware because when i picture great design a great hardware I also think like big battery like great optimization of space like all these nice materials and then with design it's like oh yeah you've got the bezels nice to the edge it's nice and trim it's handsome looking device I I think the pixel thing at least with the phones the phones is just like

look it's a it's a fine piece of hardware but you're here for the software that's what the pixel thing is yeah yeah but the rumors around this is is that it may be announced uh or may come out on june 13th i think announced june 13th now well they're saying they might show it off at io that's my guess oh yeah released in july potential well i wrote that i the date i saw was june 13th which i'm guessing is an announcement because that would be around IO, right? IO is in May. Is it in May? Yeah.

So maybe it could be. We have seen announced IO released- A month later. Early July. Yeah. A lot of the old A series devices were always announced to IO and released in early June. I remember one specifically that was in July. That's because it got pushed.

Okay. Yeah. The 4A got pushed okay yeah the 4a got pushed to august okay so then maybe 5a came out in july cool then maybe it is released june 13th that'd be dope awesome that'd be dope yeah if we got an a series and a fold in june i was gonna say like the pixel fold feels like one of those things that has been rumored for literal years and years and years like the watch just like the uh apple mixed reality headset it they both seem like these products that are like literally never going to come out but people talk about them all the time also like the apple car even though that's gonna be a long time coming forever but it would be really amazing if both the pixel

fold and the mixed reality the apple mixed reality got actually came out in 2023. that would be kind of sick yeah i think that would be longer odds but it still could happen yeah the rumors point to like tim cook going it needs to be out this year so that'd be cool counterpoint we'd have a lot less to talk about on the podcast if both of them actually released how are we going to talk about rumors and speculations oh we just talked about the next generation yeah i mean we already are talking with the second generation Apple mixed reality headset. True, yeah. Speaking of next gen, there are yet more Pixel rumors. Oh my God.

Because of course we need to have a Pixel 8 and 8 Pro this year. That's, of course. This week we got every single Pixel that is going to come out this year. We got renders and rumors about. Isn't that funny? Pixel things leaking?

That usually, that's weird. It reminds me of weird. We watched the Eddie Burback video, right? Where he's like, what if there were 10 restaurants? I lied. There's this many. It's like, we have a leak. I lied.

There's more. Yeah. So Pixel 8 and 8 Pro we're expecting. It's actually not too much, but I think the one thing that caught my eye from Twitter is 8 Pro flat screen. That's really all I'm here for. That's all that matters. Yeah, that's right.

You pre-ordered it already. I basically have. Like, verbally, this is my commitment, Google. Get me one. Phone of the year already. I'll give you the dollars that you are going to charge for it. Yeah, I think the sort of first two generations of the Pixel having that curved outer, on the Pro anyway.

Yeah. I would always use the pro because it has a higher refresh rate because it has a telephoto camera but i would i would always wish it had the flat screen of the non-pro because i actually low-key like that a little more now same and i think this is this is the first year we're expecting flat on both what if there's a chance we got flat screen on the Pro and 120 hertz on the regular? That would be really hard to sell the Pro. Because remember, every time the Pro comes out- I don't want to get into this again. We can save getting destroyed later.

I'll summarize it. I'll compress it for you. The only difference between the Pixel and the Pixel Pro is higher refresh rate, bigger battery, bigger screen, telephoto camera. That's basically it. I think David's saying the a pro is a bad buy what you're just putting words in his mouth not a single word everyone tweeted

david leave me alone god team pixel is out for you right now they're coming to get you i never said a single thing no this is i am i'm excited about that i think we'll look forward to all these pixel phones this year who i don't think we're gonna get any more leaks usually pixel stuff is really sealed like tight so i think I don't think we're going to get any more leaks. Usually Pixel stuff is really sealed tight, so I think this is about all we can expect to get. Probably not going to see any more of this, so enjoy it while you can. Run this joke into the ground.

What's this? I would not have been shocked at all. Okay, that's a great place for a break, which means we should do one more trivia question. All right. In 2007, a company called Polymer Vision released an e-reader with a rollable screen. A rollable screen in 2007. I know. Was this device called A, the Radius, B, the Roller Scroller, or C, the Scrollio? I know how excited you were to make that question. All right.

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netsuite.com slash waveform. Okay, welcome back, guys. So we have some new information about Google's basically chat GPT slash generative AI workspace stuff. They are now officially integrating generative AI into basically all of Google workspace. It's about time. Yeah. So this is their competitor to all of Microsoft integrating stuff into office. And there's a lot here, actually. There's like a lot here. They're integrating it into Gmail, into Docs, into Google Slides, pretty much everything

that Microsoft had. But there's a lot of really interesting features. For example, you can say like, help me write an email about this, and it'll just write the whole email. That's what I was hoping for. That's exactly what I was hoping for. Cause I was gonna wait for an email client this and it'll just write the whole email that's what i was hoping for that's exactly what i was hoping for because i was going to wait for an email client to do this first and like add a text generation thing where it could just be like write me an excuse to not go to work on

thursday and then it would just type this amazing email and you just hit send and then we're gonna start testing they start charging they start charging a fee because they can write your emails for you yeah uh so now google's gonna do it and it's going to be free. Love that. Yeah, the official list that they say is they have draft, reply, summarize, and prioritize your Gmail. Brainstorm, proofread, write, and rewrite in Docs. Bring your creative vision to life with auto-generated images, audio, and video in Slides. Go from raw data to insights and analysis

via auto-completion formula generation and contextual categorization in Sheets. Generate new backgrounds and capture notes in Meet. And enable workflows for getting things done in chat. MARK MANDELBAUM CHEF. The Google Meet notes thing, I think they already said something about that, where you're on a meeting and it's taking notes about the meeting for you.

MARK MIRCHANDANI- Which is great. I love that. MARK MIRCHANDANI- That it's taking notes about the meeting for you, which is great. I love that. That's sweet. Yes. Some of these are really, really helpful. Some of these I'm a little bit concerned about. Which ones are you concerned about? I'm a little bit concerned about the ones where it's writing emails for you.

I'm a little bit concerned about the ones where like one of their examples is writing a job listing. a job listing. I'm just a little bit concerned that the less effort people are going to have to put into these systems to generate a lot of more information, the less likely they're going to be to actually proofread what it's saying. So if you say, write me an email about this, and it ends up being either not exactly what you meant to say, or it added stuff to the email that you didn't ask for and that you didn't know about, and the other person gets that and they read it and they go, regarding this point, what do you mean? And you're like, what are they talking about? I never said that.

It's like you're passing off information from your brain to an AI. And in order to not have to do that work yourself. And this has been a thing that I've thought about a lot in the last few years. It's like we're now starting to offload storage from our brains onto hard drives you know to the point where we have to do less work we have to put less cognitive effort in and therefore it's being stored on a computer instead and so now if it starts writing all these emails and writing these documents that say things that you didn't

pay a lot of attention to it's like it's like we were talking about before when you're doing a test or you're writing an essay or you're doing a research project and you actually learn about the thing by proofreading yourself and going through something and making sure that you understand it there's going to be less and less of that happening and people are going to less understand what they're saying. In the future, instead of like, oh, that was autocorrect, it'll be like, oh, transformer error. Like, you'll be like, wait, I thought

this job said that it was two days a week that are remote. Oh, no, no, no, no, the diffusion model. Right, imagine that. It's like you read a job posting, and it's fully remote because it's trained on most jobs being fully remote, but the actual hiring manager didn't want it to be so remote so that'll be the thing is like maybe the skill becomes training your ai instead of like writing i think that's it's also just like

giant user error if you're doing it like that though and i feel like in those situations where if you're messing that up then the job listing you're posting to is gonna be like what do you mean by this oh i didn't write that end of conversation like i'm not going to do this the whole point if you want to write a long formal email like the whole point of it writing the email for you is you have to do less work but you still have to proofread it it's still less work i don't think most people can improve well then that's i think that's their problem then and like ultimately we'll weed people like that out they'll still try and use it and maybe it'll work but i think like ultimately people who are just that's just the same people who are like copy and pasting work online for school projects and stuff like that they're just

gonna fail those instances where they try and do it i i kind of i kind of disagree a little bit i think that um actually it's it's up to the engineers and the designers of these platforms to make it easier for people to proofread the work in the interfaces. And I also think that a lot of times people who make tools like this actually make it harder to self-check and to self-proofread because that is how you admit the flaws in the thing you've designed. Yeah, I guess in this current state where the AI tools aren't perfect, it is a skill to be able to take the output from the AI and turn it into something fully correct or fully useful. That's

a specific skill right now. And then the question is when the AI tools get better and better and better, is your skill gonna have to shift out of that correction and into some other phase where you're the one training the ai or you're the one like deploying the ai into like what it should be typing where i just think right now it's it is the skill you have to be able to take what ai gives you and turn it into something useful you don't just copy and paste it my question is like does it become because at the end of the day you're going to have to have people that are trained to proofread whatever the AI generates and make sure that it's tailored to what they actually want. And my question is

going to be, is it going to take them longer to have to proofread what the AI writes than it's going to take them to just write it correctly in the first place? It depends on their knowledge base. Like if someone's just a copywriter and good at researching and fact-checking, then it's like, you can give me any AI output and I can turn it into a useful thing. Yeah. But if it's like, I need you to write,

you know, job listings and job listings only, then maybe if you just get an expert on writing job listings, you don't need this AI thing that slows them down. They just do the thing that they're good at. So yeah, the AI tool tool this is just a fun it's a fun like it's a fun time to be interested in this ai stuff because it's not perfect and so the skill becomes turning it into something useful what do you do with it where i i just think it's fun yeah i do think like in terms of you saying could it take longer it'll be dependent on the person like if you are a great

writer like you've written for so long of your life it'll probably take longer for you because it will write it all out for you and you're like this isn't how i want to say this this is wrong this is wrong this is wrong but for someone who doesn't write maybe like me i could be like this is a really couple quick thoughts i have can you write this all out it's like wow that described it way better than i ever could have and therefore as long as I just make sure a couple of these things sound correctly to me, that will be way faster for me, like I I've written a couple like very short sub stack articles and I've had to proofread them 10 times because I'm just like, I don't like how I said that changed the whole paragraph

and it changes the whole meaning of everything and then I had to rewrite the entire thing and yeah, this is, It's really fun because also using AI as a tool, as a creator, is interesting now. Like I have a certain writing style when I'm writing a video. I don't necessarily script every single word. But what I am doing is getting a list of points that I need to cover and say in a certain order and get the facts right. And then the sort of connective tissue is just like in the flow of things. And so when I am like creating something from scratch and I start with a blank page, that first bit of like generating the skeleton of the thing I want to say actually can be

done by AI. Like that actually is a thing where I could plug it into chat GPT and be like give me a give me a top five list of the most innovative let's go most successful tech products of all time and then it just goes hmm all right it does the research it finds a list of five maybe I asked for ten and I know it's correct yeah and then I take that and I you and I go okay let me think do it which one of these ten do I want to use and I can narrow it down and pick the five best ones and then write all of the connective tissue that would have taken much less time.

So I actually successfully in that instance use the AI to help me write something. Even though it never gets like published as written thing. It's just me talking. And then in the video, David's the fact checker anyway. So he's got to do all the hard work. Yeah. So I mean, you know, at least if it's if it's about it, this is also what I said

in the video, if it's about a topic that I already know about, then when I get the AI output, I can diagnose what I need to fix. If it's about a topic I don't know about, that's tough. Then I am spending a lot more time fact checking and source reading. I will say like the concerns that I have around a lot of these features are only for like a few things some of the other features are actually super useful like and really nice like for example the fact that it can take like bulleted notes and summarize meetings for you

that's really awesome but can it unsubscribe from email that's the first thing that i thought of when you mentioned you know can already do that no it can't i click it for like some of them it'll have the unsubscribe thing on the top and you click it and then two days later i'll still get an email from this yeah it depends on it depends on the website um and but ai should fix that whether that's the number one as soon as an ai can do that that's all i want yeah um yeah uh i really like the the meeting notes uh the raw data insights and analysis via auto-completion and sheets is really helpful because you're basically just taking something that it's like, I don't necessarily have this, I don't know how to use Google Sheets correctly.

And I have all this information. It's just a button to like do that analysis for you. That's good. Very useful. Oh, yeah. Being able to like brainstorm things in Google Docs, very useful. So I think just like every other AI category, there's probably going to be a large amount of people arguing about what's okay and what's not okay. You could have people say like, oh, well, people are trained in Excel and you should be hiring an Excel person.

Or another feature that's obviously going to be super controversial is that in Google Slides, you can just auto-generate images and audio. And that's been the kind of highlight of most of the controversy recently because the images it generates are going to be based on a database somewhere. Right. Depending on where they get that database, if it's an ethical database versus a regular scraping database, who knows? on where they get that database, if it's an ethical database versus a regular scraping database, who knows?

But I would say that overall, this is an example of boring computing, which is where you get to integrate AI into something that just like makes your life a little bit easier. Because Google has had really, really, really, really basic versions of all of this stuff for a really long time. When you're writing in Google Docs and you say say yeah i want to and then it'll suggest that you finishes the rest of the sentence you hit tab and it fills it in right yeah it's just doing that but with way more tokens and then a lot of other random features like this that's why it kind of feels like a natural evolution to me like the gmail app right now if i say my address is and hit space it goes oh i know

what you're about to write and it says if you just want to take that address like you usually do just swipe over hit tab it appears and like so the skill is just knowing like how to trigger that and how to type and have that save you a little bit of time and i guess now it's like okay auto complete was just me going press the first you know how you'll like you'll write your first word and then just hit the middle autocomplete word and it just makes a sentence based on what it thinks? That's just because it's trained off of you typing a lot. Yeah. It's just a little bit more advanced than that. Maybe I'm just a boomer and I'm a little concerned about this, but like I just, thanks.

I just, I don't know. I worry about a day where everything is completely written by AI and it removes every single ounce of individualism from our writing to the point where like any email, you know, I know that you don't care when you get an email that's like very, very businessy. 80% of my emails are templates anyway. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like all the PR emails we get, we get PR emails that say, hello, journalist, or hello, YouTuber. And obviously, they didn't even go in and do the work of filling that in in their templates.

But I am concerned about a day where you're like, tell Michael why I can't make it to his birthday party. And then it writes this long thing, like, I'm so sorry. I've got a thing that's going on. And it's like, I don't know. It concerns me a little bit. But this is a controversial topic, and I'm a boomer. I don't know. It's a little, maybe it concerns me a little bit, but this is like controversial topic and I'm a boomer.

So I don't think you need to worry because soon AI will be able to tell your tone and your characteristics and then I'll be able to write that in a very David way. Well, that's literally a black mirror episode where like the woman's husband dies and they download all his text messages and then they put them in a, in a data-based robot. Here's a, maybe my hot take version of what you were talking about, which is like, if you just write something and it just works, you just hit send.

The question of writing an essay for school, if you put in the prompt into ChatGPT and it spits out an essay and it's like a C minus essay and you just hit send you deserve a c minus because the prompt that you decided to give it and your knowledge of how to use the tools gave that and you're deciding to not proofread it you deserve a c minus not an f because the goal of assigning you an essay is to see how good of a response can you give to the prompt and that's the response you give given your tools.

And that's it. That's what's going to happen in real life. When you get a job in the real world, they're going to be like, write an essay on this theoretically, and you're going to give them the C minus thing and you deserve a C minus, not an F. But if you get really good at designing prompts for AI, hear me out, you get really good at getting certain words into chat GPT and it kicks out just the right essay and then you proofread it a little bit and send that in. And it's an A plus essay.

You deserve an A plus because you did that work to create that thing. I completely agree. I think that's a skill. I think that's dependent on the thing you're trying to learn in school. If you're trying to be a doctor and have to write an essay about how to save somebody's life, you shouldn't have to have to take the time when someone's dying in front of you to look at GPT. Okay. So if it's, that's a great point. If you have to learn things to memory to

future help on the job site thinking, then that you should fail. Like if it's a, if it's right, a history essay about why, uh, this monument was important for this piece of history and time, maybe you don't need to memorize all those facts, but if you go back and fact check and make sure your essay's good, you are going through the learning process a little bit. But if it's like, write an essay about why this type of surgery is better

and then you're doing that to become a doctor and do that surgery, that Shachi PT thing is not a skill you need to be a good doctor. You should actually use the skills to be a doctor to get the doctor degree. Right. It's very specific.

Something I thought about is like when these generative AI can start doing computer science and coding for people, which they can, and there's all these tools that have been popping up in the last couple of years, like no code, where it can just like create websites for you, create code for you.

The problem there is that if everyone grows up not having to learn the fundamentals of things and they just are able to use these tools to make stuff, there becomes a limit of how much you can actually build out from there. Or if you have a problem, how do you diagnose it? You mean like photography? What? I feel like people don't really know how photography works, but they just hit a button on their phone and they have pictures. Well, yeah, but photography, it's like a photo photo you can do a cool photo but like you're not like transforming you're like you're not creating the future of photography by taking pictures

like in computer science if you're like building new tools or building new architectures or whatever you still have to understand how the architecture works no but there will always be people that will do that. Like, you are a photographer, but everyone can take a picture. There's going to be a time where everyone can write code, but there will be engineers that know how to write code. I would hope so. I just don't want us to get to the point where in elementary school and university,

it's like, click these buttons, and then everything's done for you. And that's how you get an essay, kids I think there'll be, there will, I think kind of like what you're saying, there's always, there has to be the general use of a thing. And then the behind the scenes knowledge of how it works thing. And for most people, in most cases, when you drive a car down the highway, you don't have to know how the car works. You just use the tool. Yeah. And when you, you know, take a photo with your phone, you don't have to know how the car works you just use the tool yeah and when you you know take a photo with your phone you don't have to know how it works you just got a photo but there will always be some group of people that is i am actually interested in how this works i want to get behind the scenes and build the things then you have to learn those

things you don't get to just use the tool you actually learn the things that's true and so this is just one more tool that a lot of people are just going to use for normal things. And then some fraction of them will be like, I want to get these tools to be better. I'm going to learn how they work. And then that's the other group. I suppose it's an aspect of democratization, right?

Where like many more people can build things that you would normally need to code for. But the people that want to make new stuff still have to be the ones that understand the fundamentals. It's just, there's a much wider smoth of people that are able to create stuff. Sorry. I was gonna say, that's how I felt when you were mentioning how like it can do things in Excel or can do things in slide where you might have an Excel expert or designer. I see it more as it will make the average person who's maybe creating the concept

of what you need that sheet for or that slide for can create it. And then when it gets into the professional aspect, it's like this person in Excel can do this a thousand times faster and do all of it. And then, or this designer, when we need to make slides for presentation, can see my vision and make it into a real thing. it almost feels i just had this thought while you were saying it it's like chat gpt is when you call the help desk at uh any place it's the first the first person you talk to that's reading off of a script and telling you all the things on a script and then the experts are the uh you got through the expedited ticket that like you've made it through all the steps and they can't help you and now there's an actual expert sitting there that is like oh yeah i've dealt with this 100

times before like let me walk you through it i think the difference is that we're getting to the point where chat gpt has dealt with this 100 times before i can walk you through it that's the question it's like that's the question if it does happen i don't know for there yeah well i'm not saying agi i'm just saying that like, I mean, especially with- It's like maybe someday. Like we're getting there quickly is what I'm saying. I think the closer we get, the harder and the farther we'll get, if that makes sense. The closer we get, the so much harder those last parts, yeah. The last parts of getting to the actual human level is going to be so hard that that gap is going to exist forever it's like cars

a little oh man sorry i love the analogy but i'm like everyone knows how to drive a car in the basic form of turn it on foot on the gas and steering wheel and if you ask somebody right now to like build a car it's just like there is a giant gap between people who know how to use a car and know how to make the car better drive like build the car is that what you mean i was gonna i think it works better with a lot of people can drive a car but watch autonomous driving how long that's been going on and it is it's so much better than it was but it is so far away from an actual human driving yeah true yeah i think a lot of the google changes do feel like a more natural evolution of what google was already doing and not as much of a like stark contrast like leap away from what they were doing and i

think that that is good and smart and like we have talked about before google has everything to lose and other companies have everything to gain and so them doing that is probably a good move, especially since they low key announced this, like they weren't making a big deal about it. Whereas whenever OpenAI releases something new, like OpenAI feels like the new Tesla or the new- Same guy. Whatever, like they feel like the new Bell Labs,

like everything, whenever they do do anything the world pays attention and that has only existed for the last like six months like it's insane however how everyone is just like locking on to every little thing they do whereas google is being a lot more low-key about all these things i really want to try all these google features i don't know when it's publicly launching, but it seems really interesting. I can't wait to have it write emails for me. Cannot wait for that. I'm very excited. I'm nervous. I just think it's going to be funny when you ask it to write long emails and then everyone who receives the emails, like, I'm not reading all that. Summarize that for me. And it's just like, it's just like within the AI, it's just going like, it's contracting, it's contracting and it's contracting.

I love how you were like, I'm so worried that people aren't going to feel like they're getting my personality in my email. And then those people are going to be like, summarize this. Yeah, I don't want his full email. Amazing. Okay, well, we've rambled at length about these. I think my summarization take is AI is a tool.

That's the... For you, it's to cheat in college. Well, as in, it's a useful tool. I didn't cheat in college when I was in college. I'll put it that way. I wish I had this. I would have used so much at GPT. Last little thing.

OpenAI actually did announce GPT-4. I'm using it now. That's the entire thing. Yeah, which was in Bing for a long time, and neither Microsoft nor OpenAI would say that it was in Bing, but now everyone knows. But if you go on chat GPT with GPT-4, it can now parse images,

which is kind of a game changer in a lot of ways because you can literally show it a meme and say, tell me why this is funny. Oh, yeah. And it will tell you why it's funny. I saw that. That's the most boomer thing to do. I thought that was cool because it was like an iPhone charger that looked like a VGA cable. And it's like, this is funny because a VGA cable is a clunky old piece of tech and it's being plugged into an iPhone.

Yeah. And then someone at the New York uh took a photo of all the food in their fridge and they said what can i make with all of this and it was like well you could use this thing that you have mixed with this thing to make this meal which is pretty amazing oh yeah now you're in samsung refrigerators with chat gpt so i can look you're at the grocery store what should i have for dinner tonight what can i what do i need to make this based on what's in my refrigerator and what's in this store buy milk yeah smart fridge smart fridge alice is finally getting a smart fridge uh it also does way better on standardized tests i saw that they literally wrote a chart like all the standardized test scores

yeah it can process way more text if you put a lot of text into it. And then it's already getting integrated into a ton of mainstream products. So over the last few months, probably since like Bing was released, they've been working with a number of different companies like Duolingo or that carrot app that you were talking about that you use for weather. The weather app. To integrate different chat assistants. Obviously, Duolingo already had like the owl chat assistant person thing, not person, but owl.

Their name is Duo. Duo. It is. And so now obviously all the chatbots that are already within these apps are just going to get better, which I think is amazing, right? I think it's great that you can have

a more natural conversation with a chatbot that's already in an app. I don't think every app needs a chatbot, but the ones that already have them are going to get better. Final question. What year of ces are we going to see the first refrigerator with the chatbot next year yeah absolutely 100 next year i think that's probably a lock i think we're all in on that one yeah cs 2024. all right well that's about it we've talked at length for this episode about all these things, but of course we need to get to the end, which is trivia answers.

Trivia. So scores, Marquez has eight. I'm falling behind. Andrew has seven. David has 11. David in the lead. Okay. First question, then the music plays, and you have until the end of the music to write down your answer. So we spoke about the watch buds, the Huawei ones. Before Google acquired Fitbit, Fitbit acquired Pebble after they had an impressive Kickstarter launch.

What year did Pebble run their Kickstarter campaign? And the music begins. Kickstarter. Okay. I remember when I had the watch. So I have to like rewind a little bit. Not a lot of time for rewinding here. You better skip.

I think I'm thinking of the Pebble 2. I'm going to go with that. Not the 2. I thought the same thing. Because I remember the year the Pebble 2 came out. I have to do a little more Googling to get the original Kickstarter. Guessing is so much faster. I'm ready.

All right. Flip them and read. What do you got? Oh. Wow. Different answers here. I have ready. All right. Flip them and read. What do you got? Oh, wow. Different answers here. I have 2011. 2014. 2015.

You're both too late. All wrong. The year was 2012. That's what I erased. I know. I saw. Oh, my God. I did it, bro.

I wrote the correct answer down and then erased it. Dang. I needed that point. Cool, cool, cool, cool erased it. Dang. I needed that point. Cool, cool, cool, cool. Everything's fine. I needed that point. This is a multiple choice one. This is a multiple choice one.

All right. Another trivia question. Big smile. In 2007, a company called Polymer Vision released an e-reader with a rollable screen. In 2007, this device was called A. Hit it. The Readius, B, the Roller Reader, or C, the Scrollio. I'm torn I'm kind of torn I'm torn because I know how good Ellis is at making up fake names

aww you guys alright what do we got I was torn between A and B I was torn between A and B but I picked A let's go nice well i didn't i picked c i'm the scrollio guys like like scrollio uh scrollio sounds like an actual silicon valley product yeah the well i was trying to pick something that would be 2007

silicon valley you know so like roller reader may have been a nook competitor i don't know 2007 was like kind of before silicon valley became silicon valley that's the first iphone yeah facebook existed yeah but it was like before the whole valley was like startups startup culture yeah true early like i used to go there all the time and it was not like it was not the way it is now but david xerox park was there i was gonna say there needed to be an x in it if you wanted to sound like 2007. yeah some crazy spelling all right thank you for watching and for listening and of course stay tuned until next week we'll see you there peace waveform is produced by adam molina and ellisven. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro outro music is created by Vain

Stilt. That's just going to be one singular word in like two years. It's like salt pepper ketchup. Bye.