Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Google might have to sell Chrome!

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David talk about a bunch of Google news including the DOJ possibly forcing it to sell off Chrome. But first, they go over some EV news and talk about the Jaguar rebrand that's taken the internet by storm. After that, they go over some ChromeOS rumors and talk about the Android 16 developer preview. Of course, they close out with a debate about whether or not Microsoft Teams will actually release live translation before getting into the last trivia questions before the Trivia Extravaganza episode drops next week! It's a fun one, enjoy! Links: Tesla supercharger: https://bit.ly/4g1yyfR Bloomberg Google leak: https://bit.ly/3COv0yW Google ditching ChromeOS: https://bit.ly/4ePOsJi Android 16 Dev Preview: https://bit.ly/4eY1Qet Jaguar Video: https://bit.ly/4hXz8Nn TopGear Video: https://bit.ly/4eLJIEe Verge Article about google: https://bit.ly/4fZvIaZ Verge Microsoft Teams article: https://bit.ly/3Ok1dAQ Knee Airbags: https://bit.ly/3CQjvXN HyperFixed: https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/ Music provided by Epidemic Sound  Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yes, they are. They're going to be the greatest. They're not. It's going to be amazing. Sorry, Ellis, are you speaking in Spanish? Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts.

I'm Marques. I'm Andrew.. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week, we have a car company rebrand that is sweeping the internet. We also have a new website that continues to sweep the internet. Newer website. Newer-ish, that's true. And also a ton of Google News from lawsuits to Android 16 early looks.

But first, Tesla started rolling out V4 superchargers. Well, they didn't start rolling it out. They announced it, and then they're going to start rolling it out. V4 superchargers are going to do 500 kilowatts. Very exciting. For those who don't have the context of what exactly that means, 500 kilowatts. That would be me. Yeah, so electric car charging, generally, the faster the better.

And obviously, there's a whole bunch of math with the charging curve. It charges faster when you're at a lower state of charge and all that. But basically, V1 superchargers had, I think, a 75 kilowatt peak charging speed and V2s were like 125 kilowatts. I might be getting the V1 and V2 numbers slightly wrong. But generally, the numbers have gone up over time, which means faster charging. That's, this is the basic concept. V3 superchargers, 250 kilowatt max. Very, very impressive. But yeah, you can add a thousand miles of battery, a thousand miles of range to your

battery in an hour. So obviously you won't have to plug in for a whole hour to charge your whole battery, which is great. V4 superchargers uh they announced the new cabinet and apparently cyber trucks will be able to do 500 kilowatts that's not necessarily twice as fast as 250 kilowatts but it is twice as much power and it shows i think uh there was a video clip that they put out where it was adding like 1300 miles per hour to the battery, which is amazing. It also includes Tesla semi support. And the semi truck, of course, charges in megawatts. They measure this in thousands of kilowatts.

So 1.2 megawatts would be 1200 kilowatts, which is crazy. Is this a stupid question, but I'm assuming a Tesla semi truck isn't pulling up to a regular supercharger. Are they going to have their... It literally wouldn't fit in the space, right? Right right they've had their own charging solutions in the past and apparently this new v4 cabinet will support the tesla semi you need a longer cable the whole higher power and all that but yeah this will this will also be fast for those this does though come with the longer cables right mostly for cars that don't take the nacs port or well cars that now do take the nacs but have it at a different but i have a different spot there's that too but they're

also going to be including ccs connectors at these stations cool yes so for cars that you know it's like you would have to buy a 2025 2026 model of a car that has the nacs and not everyone has committed to moving over to it but i think that tesla wants to be the gas station of electricity so and even the ones who did we're seeing these like i mean cables being like you know trucks pulling up to be within like less than an inch of the charging thing and like it still is that like a 90 degree angle which cannot be good for that cord over time so like being able to put it in you know whether you're at the front or the back right or left anyone hopefully should be able to plug in yeah so for clarity they did start rolling out v4

charger charging stations this year but they didn't have the cabinets installed that allowed for this higher power gotcha so next year they're going to swap out a lot of the cabinets and then also just start rolling out way more V4 chargers. Sick. So yeah. We just had the Li Auto Mega here, which was also, it supported 520 kilowatt charging. And again, the number might not mean a lot to everyone,

but the number that hit me the hardest was 10% to 80 percent in 10 minutes for your battery that's that's awesome that's like a full usable charge in not that much time so yeah hopefully uh a lot of cars will start being able to support that soon all right we should talk about this rebrand this jaguar rebrand last minute addition to the the docket this morning lots of lots of talk on the internet lots of talk inside our own studio especially tim our graphic because it's so good right it's fantastic everyone loves it yeah that's why it looks better bigger than a phone screen well i i think let's get into it i don't think it is just the rebrand i think it's how the rebrand

was launched and what was launched alongside of it that is why it's also i think so jaguar changed their logo it was an older typeface that was very it's been around for decades correct might even say it's recognizable iconic even well the cool thing to do in the last couple years is take something super iconic and absolutely destroy brand recognition melt it down into a simple sans serif font send it yeah that's that's what's been happening um so the new logo the new jaguar logo is just a different typeface yeah like we said everyone is kind of doing it i think if that were just it there would be backlash because when you have a singular thing for so long any change to it

is going to feel weird and jaguar has been around forever and kind of known as you know the the old people car despite some of them i think looking very good um but i don't think anyone disagrees with that right like it is kind of known as the old people car yeah the average jaguar buyer is definitely 65 years old like factually i think a new typeface to kind of look newer in age isn't the worst idea but they they released it with this like commercial did you all watch the 30 second like ad it came with what were all of your thoughts on that can someone explain it or ellis can you explain it as you're watching it yeah here can you live ellis has not seen it so Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you live?

Ellis has not seen it, so these are his live reactions. You haven't watched it yet? Oh, I would love to watch you watch it. There's a lot happening. Okay. So. What? That was for a card? Yeah. Wow. what that was a card that was for a car wow okay uh look i'll start off with nice things all right i like i like the costumes that was really fun can you explain it to like for if someone hasn't seen it yet what happened

i can try man but like so there's there's some people in some sort of like Logan's Runny like outfits and they're walking out on Mars, but it's pink. And then it cuts to seemingly like a queen in a royal gown. She's moving flowingly. Then there's it says live vivid. And then it cuts to a guy who looks sort of like Andy Warhol. He's spinning and he's painting as he spins. It says delete ordinary, but he's, I don't, okay, I'm just kidding. Let's move on.

And then, and then there's a woman in an orange dress in a blue room, but she's upside down. She's on the ceiling. Oh, but then, then she's not. Oh, and then she has a hammer. That's a yellow hammer. So primary colors. But then it says break molds, which doesn't make sense because it's like a Bauhaus primary. It's not.

Okay. And then they're all together. They're back on pink Mars and they're sitting on a rock. And they're doing these sort of Twyla Tharp-esque looks to the side. I don't get it, man. I don't really know what to the side i don't get it man um i don't really know what they're i don't know man when i was when i was like a teenager my dream car like my absolute dream car was a 80s jaguar xjs like i actually am like a huge passionate lover of vintage jaguars and um so i'm a little bit sad to see that we're not gonna get any more of those we're not gonna get like big classic classy well

british steamboats yeah but also maybe we'll get cars that work so yeah a lot of a lot of reactions to this online i think most people had the same initial reaction which is wait this is a car company what it looks like it had nothing to do with cars it's it's kind of just the beginning of a rebrand it's a logo and a 30-second vibe basically it's not too different from nothing's marketing i'm going to be honest i was with the ant the bugs with the bugs and just the random scandinavian people this yeah i think my issue with this is it felt tim said this like at the end it could have said adobe instead of jaguar and it would have worked it could have said pretty much better adobe yeah yeah for sure yeah like this ad has just like nothing going on with it it feels it feels like they went into like an a mid-journey prompt and said make me a 30 second ad that feels like i'm thinking outside

of the box and throw in a couple sayings you would find on like a five dollar tj max yeah there's a chance is is jaguar announcing a car soon is that happening i think i think so are we gonna get a car that like breaks molds and is like unexpected and looks totally crazy interestingly the ipace came out in a number of years ago which was one of the earlier evs that was on the market that is true but people generally did not like it so yeah it was not that and did they just give up after that and now they're coming back? So the crazy thing about the I-Pace, I mentioned this a couple weeks ago, is they still sell a lot of them to Waymo and there are lots of them on the road.

So they have a lot of electric cars out there. So the Waymos are I-Paces? Yeah. Oh. A lot of them are. I thought they were gas cars. I thought they just changed. I think they're starting to do Ionix.

They're going to make their own cars too. Yeah. They're working on their own. Yeah, they haven't made any new EVs that I'm aware of since. They've made hybrids. They've made other cars. But Miles has reviewed another Jaguar since then. But the other thing about this ad, though, is it's, I mean, we're talking about it on this podcast.

I don't remember the last time we talked about Jaguar. It's working. Like, people are talking about Jaguar. The tweet, just the tweet, this isn't on Blue Sky or Threads or on your Instagram, just the tweet has 1,000 retweets and 15,000 quote tweets. I don't know if you guys are familiar with what a ratio is, but that's a pretty strong statement.

People are just sharing the crap out of this. 33.5 million views since yesterday. 50,000 comments. 50,000 comments since yesterday. So I don't know if Jaguar could have made a more attention-grabbing ad if they tried. Imagine a regular car commercial getting 35 million views and 50,000 comments on Twitter. They'd have to do something insanely cool with the car. That very well may have been a point. They'd have to put hamsters in a Kia Twitter. They'd have to do something insanely cool with the car. That very well may have been a point.

They'd have to put hamsters in a Kia Soul. They'd have to go nuts. Like very, very cool cars have been announced that don't get nearly that attention. So Jaguar has the eyeballs on them and that's probably honestly their main goal, even if they're getting roasted everywhere, is hey, people are paying attention to Jaguar right now.

So whatever their next car is, people will look at it. The funny thing is their logo and their banner image i understand that it sort of looks like multiple layers of slightly different colored paint but it kind of just looks like color banding it does um that's funny so you know also the banner and the profile picture are like the opposite right in the middle yeah looking at the website on ellis's computer here it's the first time that i went to or that he went to jaguar and i'm like looking at it i kind of like everything they're still using the old logo on their website that's what was going to be my nitpick though they're using the old logo on the top left that's so funny yeah but

i don't know i kind of like it like as someone that doesn't know anything about cars and isn't in the car world, and this is like my first real introduction to it. I do understand that their old logo is very iconic. It is also very, very seated in like the 1980s. For sure. And I wonder if they're just like, we are not selling any cars to younger people and we need to just do a full rebrand,

no matter what it is. I think it's super reasonable to look for an updated rebrand i just don't i think my i don't like the like cookie cutter guys what are you talking about some of some of the most important celebrities to young people of all time have been jaguar owners did you not know frank sinatra queen elizabeth oh count basie oh i do like count basie don't do you think you don't think gen z cares about count basie oh yeah i'm looking at this website i mean it really feels like they're built they're trying to get people to pay attention to whatever their next announcement is that's really my take here like a new frontier is coming go bold something's oh it's here here look so december 2nd 2024 there's a date on the website that's probably some other announcement in some of the articles i saw about

this logo there was uh like a car in the camo wrap that takes away like the lines and like prototype testing type of cars so it does seem like they're coming up with something new they're obviously not going to launch this just out of the blue and i paid two baby oh wait i gotta ask so what do we all think jaguar is gonna pull out that that meets this criteria that's disruptive that breaks the mold that's for the new generation what's it gonna be speculation station an ev nothing i don't think it's nothing like car pay whatever car comes out is not gonna like match what this vibe is i mean if you're jaguar and you're trying to reset a little bit like remember we talked about hyundai and kia actually like successfully rebranding a little bit with their new evs and if you're Jaguar, you see that success

and you're like, we got to do that too. Everyone who buys these cars is 60. We made a first EV. We have that heritage. Now we need to capitalize on it. Everyone knows about Jaguar. This might be what you would do. You might go, let's just turn over a new leaf. Abandon ship. We don't need any of this old

crusty old Jaguar heritage from the past hundred years. We're going to do this crazy new branding thing. We're going to change our logo, and we're going to just start with these EVs that are in a popular segment. Maybe it's a midsize crossover, and it's this colorful bunch of electric cars they come out with. I can see them doing that. On their site, it does say, the new era, a seismic change is coming. electric cars they come out with i can see them doing on their site it does say the new era a seismic change is coming yeah so i also want to say car and driver says um that the automaker

will unveil a design vision concept car during miami art week on december 2nd the concept will preview its first vehicle in jaguar's revitalized lineup which then goes to say this yet unnamed car will enter production by end of 2026 can i give my long wait time out of the box baby yeah listen what's the one thing that no auto manufacturer is doing we have the mid-size market sports car sport no sports car the market's full mid-size market's full suv market is definitely full they gotta think bigger i'm thinking 20 seats. 30 seats. Additional standing room for 30 more. Make it 35 feet long. Sell it

exclusively to municipalities. Charge $250 to get on it. Preset routes. This is the market. The Jaguar bus. The Jaguar bus. I think we need to move on. Oh yeah, alright. It's blue sky time, baby. Get him, David. Sick right. It's blue sky time, baby. Okay. So.

Get them, David. Sick them. This is your ideology show moment. It really is. It really is. Last week, right as we were writing this episode, it was reported that 15 million people had joined the service of blue sky. Previously, the day before, it was 14 million. So that info had updated.

By the time I was editing the podcast, dear viewer, if you were watching the video, it was up to 17 million. had updated by the time i was editing the podcast dear viewer if you were watching the video it was up to 17 million yeah that was the screenshot that so meta had been making a big deal over the fact that they were adding a million users to threads every single day and then all of a sudden a million users started getting added to blue sky every day and yes threads has almost 300 million people and blue Sky is now sitting at about 20.7 million as of time of recording. 20.6 actually, as of time of recording. By the time you watch slash hear this,

it will probably be around 22 or so. But yeah, I mean, it's growing very fast. It seems like one of the main things that people are talking about on Threads right now is Blue Sky. And it's gotten to the point where people are arguing about which one is better, which I find funny because it's just it's the same thing as like android versus ios or sony versus playstation versus xbox people just love to be

tribal about this stuff and there's all these people on threads being like i'm not going to blue sky because you can't grow your audience over there because you actually see your friends posts instead of random people seeing your posts. And I'm like, it's just hilarious. Anyway, I'm very happy to see a growth of another platform. Obviously it is not running on activity pub. It's running on the AT or at protocol,

but it is still a decentralized social network. But it is still a decentralized social network. Jay is working a lot with people like Evan Padromo to make there be more interoperability between Blue Sky and the Fediverse. Jay is the CEO. Jay is the CEO of Blue Sky. There's something called Bridgy Fed right now, which basically bridges the Fediverse

and the AT protocol universe. So it's messy. Protocols are always messy. No, it's just we know it's messy protocols are always messy no it's just we're actually living in the timeline where it's like oh can you mastodon me oh no but if you hit me on bridgie or if you use your bridgie fed account it'll make it all the way to my my blue sky toot it's like we're getting back to wolf again well you know we also live in the era where hawk to a girl launches pookie Tools was a headline from TechCrunch. That was a thing.

We didn't cover that, did we? Is that like a React competitor? What? Is that a React competitor? React native? Yeah, Pookie Tools. I don't know. Sounds more like a Pokemon competitor.

Yeah, so if you're not on Blue Sky yet, you should get on it because it's fun. And if you do get on it, you should follow us. Can I ask everyone a question here? I think everyone, at least in the last week has gone on to blue sky and kind of reactivated their accounts, except Ellis. Um, I just want to pose a question. What is one thing you're really liking about it? And one thing you're disliking about the current state, you're not allowed to say user base because we all know it's the lowest user base, kind of of them yeah i can go i can go first oh yeah go first yeah um i enjoy just the people that i follow being on there a chronological feed the discover feed needs some work for sure but it is nice that

i can pop between them and every time i refresh it seems to remember that big like the thing i've been disliking lately and maybe this is just because of the influx is i keep getting these like suggested these threads posts whatever that are essentially making fun of threads by saying we have to make sure that blue sky doesn't turn into threads and the engagement farming like hellhole that it is um so we need to make sure everything is authentic and not just for farming engagement and then all of those threads have a ton of retweets and everything and feel like that is the engagement farming on blue sky is to make fun of engagement farming

well i mean the same thing is happening on threads for sure whereas people people are just saying blue sky sucks and then it has a ton of retweets and stuff it's just like guys get out of your echo chamber it's just like let's, get out of your echo chamber. It's just like, let's just, just do what you want it to be and show with action. Let's not immediately start complaining and then piling on it. Cause that just feels like the same thing we've always had to deal with. Yeah.

I like that you can default to the following feed. Good one. Yeah. I like that it's chronological and that you have multiple different feeds that you can jump between i love the starter packs those are really fun and interesting starter packs are basically these packs of accounts that you can build so that someone can just inject their starter pack directly into their account so that they're following can you they want to be following show me how to do that real quick yeah or like if i wanted to find a starter so

it's under profile starter packs and you can create one okay so i would go to a profile that i'm following already and see if they've created a starter or they'll skeet about it and then you can follow that yeah forgot about that i'm not gonna say um yeah i don't know i think that's i think that's super useful i i've been trying to figure out what how to like i guess it mostly is the people but i'm trying to figure out what the difference in vibes are. And I think on blue sky, there's a lot of positive energy about this new growing thing. And if you post something, what I felt was that most of the replies were on topic about that thing, which shouldn't be a surprise, but be that's how i i was like wow this is

so refreshing that i posted about one thing and then the replies were about that one thing and then we engaged about that one thing and then moved on which is kind of how threads i think is trying to be because everything's combined with the thread but i think x is not like that at all so i feel like that that difference was striking to me and i don't know how long it's going to stay that way i think more people means less i think it will i think a lot of it comes down to incentives right it's like twitter x now pays people for engagement so the reason that it goes off topic immediately is because if something gets a lot of likes or engagement everyone else who wants to make money just post some funny meme below it

that's not even relevant to the post it's like what are you consuming here it also helps that the you can get the people who want to make money are verified because you can only make money through verification and now blue check is the top of posts so they automatically get a yes to only fight with the other ones so yeah it's it's really hard to find, especially if you're a larger account like Marquez. Like I used to go through your tweets all the time and read comments and like get useful feedback. Yeah. That hasn't happened in a while.

It seems like it's the worst on X. Yeah, it is definitely the worst on X. Threads is also, it's just this giant grinder of people that just throws people at you and none of them know who you are and there's no like context about what you're talking about about who you're talking to and so there's a lot more fighting on threads i noticed last week someone posted about how final cut is like a really good value and how it's crazy that you only have to pay $299 once and you get it for life and it's a great value and i just commented yeah you know

apple does that because it's more valuable for them to keep you on the macbook and the whole apple ecosystem so how dare you so they're willing so they're willing to like sell you a product once and not charge a subscription service because it keeps you in the ecosystem and the person immediately started screaming about at me and was like how does that negate anything that I said about blah blah? And I was like, dude, I literally commented, I'm not trying to fight you, man. I'm just like creating a dialogue about like why Apple does this. I'm not saying it's good or bad. Yeah.

I'm trying to start a thread, bro. Yeah, he eventually backed down. But I feel like the vibe on threads is that people are always are always yelling at each other so people assume to be yelled at whereas on blue sky because it's more focused on the people you follow and then like second level connections like if andrew were to comment on something on another person's post i'd see that that at least gives you some context as to like what you're communicating with and it's just a healthier dynamic and that's been completely destroyed with most of the other social media networks primarily because of incentives like making money threads also pays a lot of people to make money by posting which is

what has caused a lot of engagement bait so uh yeah blue sky it's obviously like more like old twitter where you you don't make money on it it's more focused on your friends and right now they're not a public company so they don't have to grow their user base so rapidly like the other companies do uh hopefully it stays that way that's loud they stayed private it would be the best thing ever please don't ipo please don't ipo even just that though more users always the more people we have the more chance there is for things we don't like to happen. Also true. It'll be the weird thing of like, is this thing on?

To like, I wish this thing was off. You got to hit that middle. There's also an irony where the chronological feed allows you to jump on, look at the like eight posts that have been posted since the last time you were on, and then be done. True. And Threads wants that to never happen. They want to keep you on, they want to keep you on the site as long as possible, they want to keep you around, engaging and hopefully showing you things as much as... It's just like every other algorithmic feed, they just want to show you things that will keep you happy

and keep you on the site and making them money through ads. Right, whereas this makes me happy but I'm not on it as much, whereas Threads makes me sad and I'm on it too much. Have we had the conversation about how Blue Sky makes money well right now they don't so is that like a ticking time bomb type situation or do they can they definitely not make money they have talked about ads and like different things that they will do it's sort of like twitter right they're losing money right with servers yeah definitely the more they scale and the more they grow the more it's going to cost them yeah for sure um which is definitely a thing to think about that is why we're still waiting for another server to pop up yeah right now blue sky dot social is like the only server it costs a lot

of money to run a server yeah so for a company to like run the infrastructure to run a server would be a lot um but if you did you did think about twitter twitter didn't really make money for quite a while and they had this stool dual stake shareholder thing where jack dorsey like owned a lot of the company and i think he wasn't as focused on making money off of it but actually just creating healthy social media you can say what you want about jack dorsey but he did care about the health of a social media platform he's's the one that actually incubated Blue Sky at Twitter, and it was supposed to be the protocol that underlied Twitter, and then Elon bought Twitter,

so that didn't happen, so they spun off. Anyway, if you want to know a lot more about Blue Sky and you're more interested, we have this whole deep dive episode that we did like two or three months ago, so it's very relevant now. So go watch that. We can link it in the description. Also, I made a long form episodes playlist on the waveform podcast channel.

So if you go on the channel, you can watch all of them there. You can deep dive and then you can stay in our algorithmic feed. Never leave. Stay on the waveform podcast. Exactly. Sick. Yeah. All right.

Well, we should take a quick break. We're going to come back. We have a lot more to talk about with Google. But before we take a break, trivia. It's way more exciting. First question. Yeah. We all know that kilowatts is 1,000 watts.

Oh, my God. I might get this one. But which of these is bigger? Oh, no. One dekawatt. Yoda watt. Or one bigger? Oh, no. One deca-watt. Yoda-watt. Or one watt. Oh.

Hmm. Deca-watt. D-E-C-A. D-E-C-A-watt. I'm just going by my Latin. Is this one of those things where, like, everyone outside the U.S. are going to be like, I learned this in first grade. And we're all going to have three different answers. You're like, he or her.

I learned about gold mining in first grade, so who's the real winner here? Yeah, we learned about freedom. You guys might have learned about science. But I got gold nuggets at home. That's funny. Fun fact, when David and I drive to work, we actually measure the drive's distance

in gold nuggets. It takes approximately 137 gold nuggets for us to get to work. Yeah. You know Fortnite is a measurement of time? Two weeks, right? Yeah, two weeks. It's spelled differently in the game. It is spelled differently in the game. Alright, we will come back after the break

and the answers will be at the end like usual. See you in a bit. Fortnite. Fortnite. true story if anyone is gonna hold your attention on a stage you have to kind of be a freak are you a freak hope so and starring timothy chalamet as bob dylan he defied everyone turn it down play loud to change everything make some noise bd timothy chalamet edward norton el fane monica barbaro a complete unknown only in theaters Christmas Day. Welcome back. Today we have a lot of Google news. A lot of googly googly news. RIP Google news. It's still around.

Google news? Yeah. Are you sure about that? Yeah. I use it all the time. Can we name this episode Great Googling? Oh sorry. What was the RSS thing called? Google Reader? Ah sorry. Oh yeah that was a long time ago thing called? Google Reader. Ah, sorry. Oh yeah, that was a long time ago. RIP Google Reader.

RIP Google Reader. Anyway. Anyway, okay, we got a lot of Google news. Now, this first story might break officially today. The story we're reporting on is a leak from Bloomberg that says that the story is supposed to come, actually come out, like the official ruling today today the day of recording wednesday november 20th what the story is is you might remember that back in august a judge ruled that google had been maintaining an illegal monopoly by paying search companies to

be the default search engine remember that we had a whole episode on it and they say that was not cool i thought the episode we had on they have too many lawsuits there's a lot of laws okay because we also did the play store one we did we did okay there's quite a few but that that is the one in which they said google is actually maintaining a monopoly so we've been wondering what that remedy was going to be and it turns out at least according to this bloomberg leak again the actual story might drop today that the department of justice is going to be asking the judge to force google to spin off chrome like the chrome browser specifically because chrome represents a key access point in how people use google search microsoft chrome anyone no okay i've always wondered about these like spin-off things, like break up this big company into several smaller businesses, right? Yeah.

So Chrome is too big, spin it off, it has to compete on level playing ground with Safari, Internet Explorer, Edge, everyone else. It's its own separate business, right? What's preventing that talent who just worked for Google from collaborating with Google? Are there more laws that have to like drive a wedge between Google and Chrome? Or is it just, they're technically separate by the books now? I don't really know how it works.

No, it's that now Google can't tell Chrome how to operate. Chrome- But they can still collaborate? They can, but Chrome can now collaborate with any other company or business organization so they may get a better the idea isn't that chrome is is so powerful and holds so much of the market that they need to be their own thing it's that google can use chrome as leverage to control the entire corporate landscape because remember chrome is a free application right they

spend a lot of money developing chrome, but they use Chrome as a portal to all of Google's goods and services that actually do make money. It's like not dissimilar to the Nexus 7, which they lost $50 on every Nexus 7 they sold just to get people to sign up for the Google Play Store. RIP. Yeah.

Yeah, RIP Nexus 7. So then at this point, somebody else in the market can come to Chrome and offer it. All that sweet, sweet user data that Chrome is collecting relentlessly, they could sell that to everybody now. Yeah. Interesting. So the issue right now is like Chrome is reportedly worth between $15 and $20 billion.

So any company that could actually afford to buy Chrome is also probably one of the giant companies. I would say no one's going to, yeah, they shouldn to buy Chrome is also probably one of the giant companies. Yeah, I would say no one's gonna, yeah, they shouldn't buy Chrome. But if Google splits from Chrome and they're like, dang, they're really salty about it, but they still want to use Chrome as leverage, they still cut special deals with the Chrome business to continue to maintain this.

Well, I mean, they're under this DOJ scrutiny, so I don't think they would allow that to happen. okay exactly it's my only contribution i guess i don't know the specifics of how those things work and i'm curious it's fine either do they yet yeah that's a good point but i guess also in that is it'll be you can't cut special deals when you have other companies coming in with deals that are probably sweeter than that. So even if at the end of the day, well, you can, but it's less incentivizing too.

That's true. Everyone wants to make money. When Chrome is its own thing, they are going to want to make money. They won't give a damn that Google is like made them or whatever. They're going to ditch that and they're going to make as much money as possible.

And even if it winds up being Google still is like the main connection to Chrome, all that Google will probably have to pay more money in all of that. This is not dissimilar to how Android was originally started as an open source platform because they needed to get a bunch of OEMs to use Android, to grow Android. But as soon as Android became huge huge they started tying all of these things that used to be an aosp to google play services so that you had to sign google's license agreements even though android's open sourced like if you use android you're stuck on like android 5.0 basically with all the all the stuff that they included in aosp right so that's a big reason why

they needed to break them up they're also uh asking the judge to force google to license its search data and let publishers more easily opt out of training training gemini on their work which they currently don't do yeah so let me opt out please yeah that's that's uh the leak from this morning so this could easily change by the time we're live with this podcast but i'm interested in what the opt-out thing would be because it it feels like we need that one like base ruling to be able to reference in terms of opting out of ai stuff because it seems like every company right now is like we know it's coming let's get as much as we can before we

have to actually do previously they had this file called robots.txt that if in robots.txt you put a thing that said you cannot train on this you were supposed to adhere to that but then a bunch of companies like perplexity got caught basically just completely ignoring robots.txt and they would say like oh it wasn't us it was like one of our vendors that goes around collecting data but it's the exact same thing that happened with that pile data set where they were like yeah we're using the pile but we're not the ones that collected it it's like i have a question about this sure so let's say chrome does get spun off and like this article says that a potential buyer could be like amazon yeah wouldn't that just make them the monopoly that's what that's what i was saying yeah like that's weird yeah so i mean yeah it's strange that they're even trying to make them like sell it as opposed

to just spinning it off and having them be their own business obviously it might be a little bit difficult for them to just figure out how to make money out of nowhere that might be the main problem i'm sure they're going to be giving a timeline and a bunch of stuff like that but it is kind of problematic that they're worth 15 to 20 billion dollars they also make chromium which is now the underlying browser engine behind edge and then a bunch of other browsers firefox is like one of the only browsers right now that doesn't use chromium it's safari on webkit and then it's on webkit webkit yeah i don't know if firefox is on webkit i know safari is i don't think firefox is on my kit but yeah safari safari and firefox are

like some of the only browsers not on chromium arc is on chromium yep it's everywhere yeah so yeah fox is on quantum browser engine which is their own one yeah but again mozilla is a foundation so there's that and they like they weren't really making any money either besides selling uh letting google pay them to have them be the default search engine so i don't know how so how firefox is going to make money after this but either way yeah it's like it is kind of a foundational thing to have a browser with the most market share as a portal to all the google goods and services because they just really plug in everything you know they're trying to make gemini like a core part of the chrome browser now yeah um so that is gonna play out throughout the

week we'll probably talk about it again uh so play out through the next seven years episode 600 we'll have the final ruling of what happened to chrome yeah probably but the next story is actually fairly relevant to this the next story number two yes google star number two google is reportedly ditching chrome os and making everything android uh that actually would make sense in conjunction with this, because obviously Google can't really have Chrome OS when Chrome is Chrome and going to be a separate company potentially. So they want to, apparently they want to make everything Android because it would allow it to compete with the iPad a lot more easily. They don't really feel like Chrome OS really works on tablets and android sort of is the only thing on tablets right now and it doesn't it doesn't make sense that they have such a fragmented ecosystem when it comes people have been taught i feel like people have been talking

about this for years like when are they going to merge are they going to merge and if anyone ever asked google they'd be like no no no no they're totally separate yeah chrome os i mean you can put android apps on it but they're totally separate it was always a little confusing yeah and so this to me makes a lot of sense in general just because of the user experience. Yeah. Okay, yeah. Put Android on everything.

And they're also reportedly working on a new flagship Pixel laptop that will probably run Android. So my question becomes, Chrome OS is just this really awkward operating system with this vision that Google had where the internet was your computer. You always had Wi-Fi, Chromebooks, and that you were always going to store everything in the cloud and nothing needed to run locally so they can sell them cheaply, they can put them in schools, all of this stuff. I feel like we are quickly moving towards this world where that's not really the case anymore.

Apple has never shifted everything into the cloud. They have some stuff in the cloud, like your photos and all that stuff. But they're all about local processing. Yeah. And a lot of applications require a lot of local processing. So my question is like a premium pixel book, pixel laptop that uses android if it's as expensive as a macbook air or like a mac mini or the last pixel book or the last but well yeah the last pro pixel book was was very expensive and it's just you can't do that much on them you know yeah i i so chromebooks had a small niche of success and they had a lot of success yeah they depended on you obviously having an internet connection so like they are the most

useful when you do have a reliable internet connection and they seem like a dumb idea when you don't yeah so but also applications that just don't run on them right you can't use photoshop on also true yeah he's photoshop web and i think the argument would be like if you're a student or if it's if it's your first laptop or whatever 99 of the things you would ever do on a laptop are available through web apps like you have web apps that can edit photos you have web apps that can you know edit music you can make all kinds of things with them and so it was like yeah i'll do everything on the chromebook and i don't need to pay a ton for storage i don't need to pay a ton for storage. I don't need to pay a ton for RAM. Like all the processing is happening elsewhere.

I just saved a bunch of money and I always have an internet connection. So this is great. So it made a lot of sense if you had a good internet connection, but that is an if. Right. That not everyone can say they have.

Also, I kind of think that Google only really made Chromebooks to sell very cheaply to schools because exactly why the Department of Justice is suing Google over Chrome being this like way to get access to all the other goods and services that Google offers. They're just onboarding children onto Google services so that there are, they already have accounts by the time they're in high school. Right. And you're not going to like, there's friction between switching everything from google services to apple or amazon or whatever and so it's just like a way for them

to get the next generation of people on google stuff which makes sense because they always talk about the next billion users and like the young people are going to be the next they're being born right now yeah and that's also that's not a new practice in the industry too i remember my dad telling me when he was studying CS at Brown in the 80s that at one, like his sophomore or junior year or something like that, Apple just came and gave Brown like thousands of new computers.

And no one at the time was using Apple computers, but the next six or seven graduated classes of Brown was held in. No, at my middle school, Apple always donated computers to us for our computer lab and they donated Final Cut 7 and they donated all this Apple stuff. iLife.

iLife. iLife. I did unbox one of those many years later. I guess my only question here is, at what level is this? Because Chrome OS made sense because it wasn't Windows. But if we're just doing a laptop that's trying to do things offline, why is it not just Windows? Because they're just making this sounds more like a Windows competitor than. Well, Google wants to have something from the ground up.

Google wants their Windows. Yeah. The problem is Android is not Windows. And it's sort of I mean, they're they're just like the VR headsets are barreling towards the smart glasses and the smart glasses are barreling towards VR headsets, Android phones are barreling towards being able to be computers that you can plug in, and Android-based computers are barreling towards

the ability to have touchscreens and use them like tablets. Wait, wait, wait. Android and Windows are not that different, right? I guess that's kind of... They both are prone to crashing a lot. They both have massive security flaws. Okay. Okay.

That's right. They both can actually transfer files easily through a cable. Oh, yeah. Imagine that. I love installing the Android file transfer app on every Mac I've ever owned. You can play PUBG on both of them?

If Google was like, if they would just stop with all the cloud stuff and they were actually able to develop Android applications that were actual competitors to things that people need to use every day, this could be different. But, you know, they just released this Google online video editor where you can tell AI to create a video for you

and then you can do little edits, but it's all in the cloud. They're so against doing anything locally, but I feel like when Apple is offering all of this local power and local storage and people need that and want that for professional work, I just don't see how you can sell a really, really high-end Chromebook. Google has tried this like five times. They've tried the high-end Pixelbook Chromebook thing and they never sell that many because they're super expensive and they're less useful. Yeah.

So these are diametrically opposed ideas on how to compute. Put as much of the power on the device as possible so that you always have the fastest local power all the time. And that seems to work best for high-end applications. And then get as much compute off the device as possible is the other side, which seems to be best for low-end applications. And so somewhere in the middle is this clashing point of like, a high-end Chromebook doesn't really seem to be a good idea.

Or a really low-end computer with everything local is also kind of a tough sell. You still need all this power and all this storage and all this fast bandwidth and all that. So it's kind of challenging. Yeah. So on either end of the spectrum, it's more obvious. But in the middle, it's kind of like, I guess it's not that compelling. Yeah. One thing they might be thinking about is how the pixel line and Android devices interact with their computers, right? Because they haven't really had a match to the parody that the iPhone and the MacBook communicate. And over the last few years,

they've been making so Android phones and Windows computers and Android phones and Chromebooks could communicate a little bit more seamlessly with file transfer and clipboard copying and that kind of stuff. So maybe if you're like a Pixel phone user, this new Pixel laptop that's premium will have a lot of interconnectivity features with your Pixel smartphone. That might be the draw that they're trying to bring people in with i do have i'll just say i like see a bunch of you using imessage on your laptop all of the time and i'm so jealous i can't do that i have like the android messages.google in a tab google but like yeah google messages like in a tab that i can type but you have to have it open and it doesn't have like good notifications and stuff like that yeah so i wish i just had a first party obviously not first party but a program inside of it is pretty nice i always figured google

was like one step away from doing that they never did like having and there's just a rumor recently i'll try to find the headline but of like oh google messages should work with like the cloud and should work on a bunch of devices and sync in real time. But also, when I had an old, like, Pixelbook, there would be a couple ties. You could, like, share the internet connection from your phone. There would be, like, instant one-click tethering. There would be a couple things, like, you could use the phone as a webcam. There were just a few ties to the laptop.

But it never felt, like, fully, like, a two-way street. Yeah, it wasn't really quite as integrated as apple's done i think this very much comes down to google's structure and how they're built and all the teams that are like spun off to make different things like there was a period of time and this still might be the case i'm not sure where you couldn't use rcs and google messages web at the same time because they used like different protocols so So you had to turn RCS off if you use Google messages. Those teams are in different buildings. They've never met each other.

And it was like, what are we doing? This is insane. So who knows? Okay, Google story number three, Android 16 just dropped, which is crazy. That was fast. We were not expecting that. It kind of came out multiple months in advance

as opposed to how it's come out in previous years. It launched in developer preview. So DP1, usually this doesn't even happen until like February or so of the next year. So the fact that Android 15 only officially came out literally last month, and now we have- Yeah, we just started getting it on. Everyone's pixels just got it,

and every other phone is slowly starting to get it right wow and now we just got dp1 for android 16 which is crazy um the google says that they're moving towards more frequent api releases to be able to deliver faster innovation in apps and devices so far there's not a lot of stuff that's really that different with android 16 the main changes are that it's going to give access to the android photo picker which lets users select specific photos and videos they want to share with an app instead of like their entire library the iphone has had this for a while on ios and it also includes the latest privacy sandbox and a preview of android's health connect app which supports health records and allows apps to read and write medical records in the standardized fhir or fast healthcare

interoperability resources format which um basically i think they're just trying to have more interconnectivity with the way that actual doctors and hospitals read medical information because these devices that we're carrying every single day using every single day are collecting a lot more data than a doctor is able to just randomly collect at an appointment so i think they're getting ready for a future where you're able to just like hand over your phone or like send them a file and they instantly know all the health data about you that you've been using which is can get system restored at the doctor's office. Yeah. I mean, that's a lot of smarts.

Imagine you bring your error code into your primary care physician when you're not feeling good. It's, yeah, these are neat things. These are cool features. They're useful. It's also, I mean, we said this about the last version of Android. It feels like it could be a.1 update. Like, why is this? Well, this is DP1.

Often you don't see things until DP3.3 sure there could be way more bigger features coming yeah um but even the last update android 15 felt like a dot one update yeah android 14 so totally curious what's coming the big things i would like to see is we got to see the very beginnings of being able like a dex like experience but just built into android sure we saw a very early version of that see remember like the difference between android 3.0 and 4.0 but we're so mature now that's what i'm saying like you don't have to have a huge new version number every year yeah but they're so like they just do well you do because they're prom are they promising years of security upgrades or versions okay years so they could go seven years and it can only be two version numbers and that'd be fine it'd be seven years of things it's like the

difference between turning four and five and 44 and 45 exactly that's a really good it's exactly even younger like lane at this point is like 12 months to 13 months is like multiple new upgrades yeah firmware updates like every week it's crazy yeah Now it's like, yeah, you don't really have to do too much. It's an S-curve after 25 when your brain finishes developing. And your knees start deteriorating. We'll keep an eye out for future Android features that get updated

for 16 or get announced for 16. But yeah, it feels like a.1 update to me. Yeah, it's.001 really. Yeah. Alright, well there's a little bit more. We got a whole segment on Microsoft Teams after this. It's going to be incredible. Ellis wants to throw... I promise it's kind of interesting.

Yeah, I promise. Ellis wanted to throw one more thing in. I have one more Google thing, which is that if any of you get the chance, we didn't have time to talk about this week, but David Streitfeld wrote a really great article in the New York Times about the Google antitrust suit, specifically about Google's great length they went to internally to delete all communications and evidence that everyone at Google knew they were a monopoly, including to the point where

they would refer to certain conversations as Vegas. They'd be like, hey, do you want to go to Vegas? And that meant let's talk about how we're monopoly um also the fact that no one at google knows what privileged means like before having a really toxic conversation where they admitted they were monopoly they just be like this is privileged and just assume that that meant lawyers couldn't look at it which is hilarious are you a cop you have to tell me it is like that level of like i love clowning on fan companies and they make it, excuse me, manga companies. Manga, yeah.

And they make it too easy. Also NVIDIA isn't there now. Get ready, NVIDIA. Locked and loaded. Man. Oh, yeah. Because Netflix was there before. Anyway.

Trivia. Name all of the companies. NVIDIA is most of the- Name all the companies. Ready? I don't even know what you guys are talking about mcdonald's manga acura it used to be fang which is facebook apple netflix google i've literally never game stop and then they started expanding it to be like

slightly more microsoft amazon netflix google apple yeah netflix is in there and can't even have an actual streaming event yeah they don't they should get kicked out there was a story that said it was the most streamed sports event of all time though most yeah we were actually no no stream stream stream which marquez and i were debating that must mean internet streamed only yeah yeah which that that makes which is like tv obviously the super Bowl, I don't know, 100 million views. That's broadcast, I guess. Yeah, it's broadcast, not streamed. Question number two. This is the last trivia question you guys will hear before we record Trivia Extravaganza.

Let's go. Later this afternoon. So, if you can tell us right now what everyone's score is in trivia, you will get a point. You will get bonus points if you can name the scores on the board that are not the three of you. The scores or just

the contestant? There are four contestants on the board who are not the three of you. I would like their scores. Oh boy. Okay. That's tough. I'm going to need some time. As well as your scores. Okay. Your scores and seven points ago.

So you only get a point. You only get a bonus point if you name the contestant and their matching score. Yeah, and I'll give you a point per contestant score combo pair. Hmm. Okay.

Cool. Alright. Well, we will do a lot of mental math and think about that and we'll be back after the break. Better hear Adam be like, update on the score. We interrupt your holiday listening pleasure to bring you an important bulletin. You could be doing exactly what you're doing right now, but with bottomless bevies on a beach in paradise. With Sunwing's big Boxing Week savings, you can choose between literally hundreds of all-inclusive vacation packages

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I wasn't joking before. This is the most exciting thing on this week's podcast. And that's because there's an article that Microsoft Teams, starting next year, allegedly, will help you speak in foreign languages during meetings. No, it won't. And we have some skeptics on the podcast, but let's at least break down what it's supposed to do before we get into our skepticism.

Have you ever been on a meeting where maybe you're the only person who speaks one language and everyone else speaks a different language? And if you could just speak in your normal language and maybe some AI magic could just make it sound like you're speaking the language of everyone else on the call, then you wouldn't have to think too hard. You could just talk. And then every time they spoke, it would translate it to your language and you could hear them and understand them and it would just be this magical AI translate feature. I don't know how many magical AI translate features we're going to have to live through before one of them actually works, but this one could be built into microsoft themes in 2025 and it would be pretty sick if it worked it won't i i think you hit the nail on the head there with we have seen this 100 times yeah and i still have yet to see it kind of

working in real life i mean the weird thing is every time a company usually comes out and says we do real life real time translation it usually means speak wait three seconds it comes out and says we do real-time translation, it usually means speak, wait three seconds, it comes out, speak, wait three seconds, it comes out, which is not real-time. This, at least in their video, looked very close to real-time. It's sort of like in one of those documentaries where a person that doesn't speak the language that you're listening to starts talking in their language, it ducks the audio, and then they dub it over the top.

It kind of looked like that. Whether or not it works seamlessly, I don't. Alice. Yeah. I don't like Microsoft either, but. Look, we did it. Do you guys remember

Waveform episode 206? Like this episode? The back of my hand. Yeah. There was a trivia question about this. There was a trivia question about specifically this because microsoft unveiled live translation in 2010 and then again in 2012 and then again in 2014 and then again i'd somewhere around 2070 they keep doing this everyone keeps they've never actually delivered a product but at this point if

they pin i was just going to talk in my language and then let go and it would talk in their language it was going to be great this future i mean it does do that but like david said it's really like it's fragmented and it like it i'd argue the humane pin might be one of the best quote-unquote live translators i've seen in person but it is painfully slow to actually get through the entire i understand your skepticism ellis guys i also this was a feature they said would be baked into skype in windows 8.1 okay yeah but they didn't have chat gbt back then you can't take 8.1 they didn't know what they were doing i understand your skepticism i also think the specific advancements in ai that we have been making play specifically

well to things like translation and ai voice modeling. They had tiny language models back then. I think yes. Long short term memory. I do think it is much more viable now than it was in 2010. No but this time he's going to change. At this point I'd be. We have to make a bet. I am willing to make this bet.

I would like you guys to make a bet. Yeah what's the bet? I mean the bet so available early 2025 is the official promise from microsoft whether you want to bet it around that i don't i'm not betting the time i'm betting that it actually works okay what do we consider it comes out when it comes out so regardless of when so if it comes out a hundred years from now yeah and it works you still witness bet yeah it has to be in teams though though. Yeah. Yeah. No, you know what?

I'm feeling so confident about this. I will put the time extension at the beginning of 2027. I will give you all of 2025 and 2026 for this to get added to teams. Because I'm so confident it will not be. And if it does, I will give the Microsoft engineering team the biggest round of applause. I'll say you guys did it. It only took you 15 years of lying to everyone

to get this done. Here's the paragraph on Microsoft's website. Imagine being able to sound just like you in a different language. Because, you know, we've had AI dubbing before. Imagine being able to sound just like you in a different language. The interpreter agent in Teams

provides real-time speech-to-speech interpretation during meetings, and you can opt to have it simulate your speaking voice for a more personal and engaging experience. Public preview coming in early 2025. Yeah. That's not a developer preview. That's a public

preview. Yeah. It could be in our hands in like three months. Yeah. Get those hands warmed up alice you about to be clapping boy i will clap you know what david i'm feeling so confident that i will bet i am willing to bet you right now if this comes out fully like as a full feature not not like a preview so not as a preview no no before 2027 before Before January 1st, 2027. Ellis, shave his head. No. Even worse. I will use an Android phone for a month.

Really? Even worse. Even worse. Wow. That's a crazy prediction. And what will you do January 2027 when this doesn't ship? David will shave Ellis' head. I will shave your head. I want you to believe in this,

like really believe that it will happen. I do believe this will happen. So how much do you believe? Yeah. How much do you believe? Well, what does it do for me? If you use an Android phone,

it just makes our communications worse. Damn. That's a great point. Like that doesn't benefit me. All right. We'll think of the bet offline and we'll get back to you. We'll go back to you in future weeks. We have two more quick stories.

Marques, I'd like you to pick which one because I think you'll find both of these interesting. Okay. We can either talk about the new Alex Goldman podcast, which officially starts this week, or knee airbags. Sounds like you need that. Marques and I both have a couple things in common and these these nail them pretty well the arterix exoskeleton and

nothing can hurt me let me hear about these near bags i need to understand this all right so marquez you and i met playing ultimate you know know, I stopped it cause I had three ACL tears, four knee surgeries. So I'm a disc golf. I'm a lonely disc golfer. Now you still play incredibly competitively. You're played at the biggest stages possible this year, but you know, you're on your 30, your knees are almost set a really tough sentence there. No, I did not. You're 30. You're 30. You're 30 you're almost you're 30 you're starting to fall you're 30 you got to start worrying about your knees your birthday's coming up man each year after 30 those nears are creaking a little more miracle i'm still here so i found this new knee brace uh-huh it kind of works in the same way have you seen i still think this is

one of the dumbest products ever but they're like the helmets that aren't a helmet. You wear it around your neck and it's like a one, I think it's a one-time use, but it like as you're falling, it goes up. Cause I guess people are so hell bent on not wearing a helmet. They'd rather wear a super expensive neck brace. I saw a demo of that where it didn't work. So yeah, I've seen it. So yeah, this feels like that.

So it's a knee brace and it has all these little airbags around it and if it basically uh detects any rotation or hyperextension within 30 milliseconds all the airbags like pop and straighten your knee out and prevent it from hyperextending or rotating which is what causes those internal knee issues or snappages. I hate to say snapping because I immediately wince when I think of it. But do you think this would work? Listen, I'm not here to say if this is going to be real or work. I'm just here to get your thoughts on it because it seems wild.

Okay, I'm looking at it on the website, and yeah, it just looks kind of like a roller skating knee pad, but obviously if you fall. Do you know what it looks like? It looks like the old football helmets, the leather ones that have individual padding all over it. Oh. I don't think this is going to work. Here's the other thing.

I saw the helmet thing, which was like a hoodie, and then when it detects free fall, it's supposed to deploy the protection shield or whatever. And then you land and your head is protected. And that was like, okay, it should be easy to detect free fall. And then a YouTuber, I don't know if it was Rhett and Link or someone else, but someone got it, put it on, and just fell onto a mat five or six times. And it didn't trigger once. And then they finally got it to trigger after they hit the ground. I was going to say. So imagine this.

You fall down. You tear your ACL. you're on the ground you're like oh and then it explodes it's even worse yeah yeah i don't know if i have faith in this one i i like the idea and i think this would do great on shark tank and then i think we would all realize it's a bad idea just based on the website it's called hippo i think hippos yeah i think it's an interesting idea because i do really like if you're getting into the age where knee issues are more prominent and that's usually the age where a knee injury can kind of take you out of whatever sport you're really into i mean especially basketball hockey football like acls are the

things we're at a certain age there's a player right now alex ovechkin who's actually chasing one of wayne gretzky's record and he just had a knee injury the other day and people are presuming it might be an acl and he might not get the record now because he's already on that side of 30 which would be really sad but uh i think like this is kind of an interesting idea it is just pre-order and when you pre-order it says like enter in your email for a demo unit so I don't know how close it is but like man if I could have saved one of my ACLs and this just felt like a normal knee brace I think I'd be super into it honestly for I think AI has a lot of potential to help injury prevention and to and just like sports science and sports medicine general like that's that's where it should be the most useful so i don't know if this exact product is necessarily

a product of that or if it's a little early but in general i think stats and ai and numbers can help with athletic injury prevention at some point one of the things they do say is that it's which i'm guessing in terms of monitoring you would always have to be wearing this but it says part of the thing is analytics which measures like uh fatigue and strain and like being able to produce a workout plan to help you strengthen and keep because like yeah in all of these things i'm an idiot and i tore my acl probably because i did not do proper like strength training around your knee which is like super super important and when you play ultimate you play on the worst fields possible and just absolutely rip it up but uh yeah i don't know i thought it was kind of interesting

and uh keep your knees safe man it's it sucks to hurt them can confirm my knees have not been in great condition recently either and i'm not even 30 yet. Just you wait, boy. I've been doing PT for my knees since March. Really? Yeah. Oh my gosh. It's a good time.

All right, I'll go last one. Evolution needs to fix this. Wow. Maybe it's working as intended. Last quick one. I've talked about this before. Alex Goldman, former host of Reply reply all a podcast that I would argue if it didn't exist, wave four might not exist. Cause it was like the first podcast I ever listened to as a weekly basis

type of thing. Alex Goldman had released two pilot episodes of his new podcast called hyper fixed tomorrow, which if you're listening to this was yesterday, is it officially coming out on a twice a month basis and i cannot wait if you don't know about it it's pretty similar to something called two super tech support they used to do on reply all and they basically each episode is a problem someone brings to alex he tries to figure it out throws a bunch of cool anecdotes on the way

he's just been great so far and i can't wait to just have like another normal podcast to like listen to on a regular basis cool cool i have you did you listen to the pilots are really good okay you should definitely listen if you want the nostalgia of reply all it's 100 there that's still my favorite podcast of all time yeah okay well there's only one thing left to do here and that is uh trivia yeah all right update on the scores trivia so quick update on the score question one we all know that kilowatts is a thousand watts, but which one of these is bigger? One decawatt or one watt?

David is deep in thought. I'm always deep in thought. Andrew looks angry. Correct. Mark has his doodling I don't know what's going to happen I'm going to be so mad if I'm wrong I'm going to feel exactly the same either way

Which is mad Flip them and read What do we got David I put one what Wrong I also put what Incorrect Marquez I put one watt. Wrong. Oh. Andrew?

I also put watt. Incorrect, Marques. I put deca-watt. Correct. Because the prefix deca means 10. And it was slippery because dese, this prefix dese is a 10th. That's, wow. And I'm glad I got those right.

Damn, look at Roman Emperor Marques Brown. I would like, I did know I got those. Damn, look at Roman Emperor Marques Brown. I would like, I did know decimant 10, and every part of my brain was like, this is too easy. It can't be that easy. That's why I was like, I'm going to be mad. So it sounds like it wasn't that easy. You had the thing to trick me on.

I just didn't know the other thing to get tricked on. The original version of this was going to be. What's that? I was going to say, what's one kilohertz? What is one kilohertz? Like, Hertz is it mm-hmm a thousand correct oh I was hoping you would get in your head did you get my thing the what thing what you should draw it's one question mark got it it. Hey, I got a point, guys. That's sick. That doesn't matter. I think I'm at, like...

Question number two. We've already hinted at it. But how many points does everyone have? Also, the other people, or is that going to be after? That's after, right? Just give me everything. But we need more time, then. How many other people did you say?

There is four people that are not you guys that are listed in our trivia scores and you need to tell me what their score is wow i didn't drink enough coffee this morning you're probably hearing my voice let's see it it wasn't good everyone else too how did you guys write so fast i was writing long before i started writing the minute i got the first one wrong cheating probably i don't think so whatever wow do you know i mean like if you're ready to write it you can keep writing david i'll give you just keep 10 more seconds right now to finish writing. Okay. In the meantime. Eight.

We're recording this podcast only like 38 minutes earlier than we normally record the podcast. But man, it just feels like we're mourning harder. It feels really mourning. It will not when we record Trivia Extravaganza directly after this. I'm getting excited for that. I'm ready all right uh marquez i'm gonna have you read everything first okay so marquez 21 okay this is great david 25 andrew 26 you thought that i was apple one ellis one what and then another one has one who i don't know and then someone else also has one

other okay two people do have one but i yeah you did not say who so i cannot give you those points can i go next uh marquez yes you can also marquez it's hilarious almost every single guess you are off by one wait that makes me feel so good. All right, Andrew, let's see. I have Marquez, 24. That is correct as of his last point. David at 24. That is also correct. Andrew at 27. Oh my goodness.

Beth at one. Google at negative one. Google is at negative three. Oh, well, he's written it already. Andrew's going to sweep us. I have Becca at one. The goal is at negative three. He's written it already. Andrew's gonna sweep us. I have Becca at one. We did not do trivia with Becca. Oh, we didn't do trivia with Becca. Shoot. And I have Adam as one.

Okay. I was on a roll there for a minute. You missed one. That's four points? There's one person who's on this list that you did not name. Wait, was Adam on the list? It's not Adam. Adam and Becca are not on the trivia board. But you said there's four others,'s on this list that you did not name is it like wait was adam on the list it's not it's not adam adam and becca are not on the trivia board but you said there's four others so i had to have missed two ellis google i didn't say mystery you did say ellis i did not say else

you didn't i thought you did yeah you did marcus said ellis oh oh what's the difference all right what'd you david okay let's see it. I put David 22. Wait, turn around. I don't believe you. Sorry. It's wrong. Wow. Doesn't have any faith in me. David 22. Marquez 23.

Andrew 27. Google negative one. LS1. And I put girl because I couldn't remember Beth's name that didn't get that if I don't get it for other look I got you Beth I don't think Beth ever responded to that so I don't even know she was I got Andrew's point at least you did so David gets one point Andrew gets four points Ellis we have listed on the board as carry the one.

I don't remember why we made that joke, but I guess I'm carrying the one this time. Wait, who won? That's not right. I think you should give Marquez that. I have to give it to David, too. You're saying girl? No, for Ellis.

I think carry the one is different. That's bullshit. Nobody is going to put that it was a joke you're carrying the one because you've got one yes I agree I'll throw it out there I think if somebody wrote carry the one

and they both put one then they should be wrong but since no one put carry the one and they put one I think they should be right carry the one was the joke that was on top of the one being the score one. I think they should be right. Carry the one was the joke that was on top of the one being the score. I think we make the rules. When you guys do trivia, then you can decide. Unbelievable.

Google was minus three because of that time that they wrote that article on their own blog where they got three things wrong about Google. Hilarious. I forgot. And apparently now we know they do that because they don't keep any internal company records. How would they remember? And then the one you guys did not get was David Pierce scored one trivia point. I knew we had a guest that did it.

For some reason, I thought it was Becca. Okay, cool. See, my handwriting made it look like I wrote other, but I actually wrote David Pierce. Yeah, other David. That's what he put. Exactly. That's what I meant to say. That's fair.

Well, you know, all these. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe one last score update. The final score update. Final score update before heading into trivia extravaganza. Marquez with 24. Andrew with 31.

Doesn't matter. David with 25. Doesn't matter. David with 25. Doesn't matter. Yeah. And all of those will soon mean nothing because the next episode is the trivia extravaganza season finale. I don't know.

This is our third or fourth one. I think it's like sixth. Wow. I think it's like fifth. Yeah, either way. Yeah, that's the next trivia question. Did you know the first trivia extravaganza, David was a host? Oh, yeah.

I was looking back. And we had the old table. Yeah, that was a fun time. Wait, before you sign off, I just want to tell one funny story to get everyone hyped for trivia extravaganza, which is that Marquez is a great boss. He gives his employees lots of creative freedom to do their best work. But the only creative disagreement that marquez and i have ever gotten into in my three years of working here do you remember this marquez

it was whether to call it trivia extravaganza or trivia bonanza this conversation lasted like two weeks if i remember correctly yeah wait can i tell one other funny story about Trivia Extravaganza? So we have like a work shared devices login for Apple ID. So there's like 20 different like random devices across the studio in it. So they were doing a test run of Trivia Extravaganza yesterday with three different members of the team. I'm in the robot room doing a robot room with Brandon. And just in the bottom corner this safari like icon pops up with a little ipad and it just says safari ipad i'm like what is this i've seen it pop up a couple times today and i click it and up pops a browser window of google

drive and just trivia extravaganza doc loads in and i'm like no i quit out and i run over and as that's happening adam and ellis are screaming and running out of the thing and we're both like did you just see wait did you see i did not all i saw was the title he claims to not have read anything he claims to have read trivia and only trivia we caught him instantly because we were running the show and adam just goes whoa why is andrew in this doc it's because we were running the show and Adam just goes, whoa, why is Andrew in this doc? It's because we have not shared the doc with him. And so we instantly get up, abandon the test contestants and run into the studio only to see Andrew running towards us like, it's not what it looks like. It's not what it looks like.

And if a bank accidentally deposited a million dollars into my account, I'd totally go tell them that they shouldn't have done that. I mean, you should. You should. Right. They totally should. Well, we take this very seriously as you can tell. Obviously, we have a lot of points at stake, ideally.

Enough for me to get back into this thing. But yeah, stay tuned. That will be the next episode and it will be a banger as it always is. Until next time, thanks for watching, thanks for listening, and catch will be the next episode and it will be a banger as it always is until next time thanks for watching thanks for listening and catch you in the next one

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