Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Google Pixel 4 Reactions & a Chat with iJustine & Jenna Ezarik

Episode Date: October 18, 2019

Today, we take a deep-dive into our initial thoughts on the Google launch event and the brand-new Pixel 4. We also recap several fun videos we recently published, including an interview with Will Smith and a project where we re-uploaded a video 1,000 times! Finally, we welcome tech-creator sisters Justine and Jenna Ezarik to discuss their Camera Camp and all of our hopes & dreams for the 2020 iPhone. Links from show: 1000 Uploads Original: https://bit.ly/1c1AWPG Wired Marathon Record: https://bit.ly/2MQNvFD  iJustine: https://bit.ly/RwLwY9  Jenna Ezarik: https://bit.ly/2d4QdZ8  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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about. We'll go over the last few videos, including interviewing Will Smith and why we re-uploaded a YouTube video a thousand times manually. Then we'll get really in our feelings about Pixel 4 and the rest of the Google event this week, but then bring it back to a happy place talking about the 2020 iPhone with YouTube friends Justine and Jenna Ezerick. Techtober rolls on. We're in it. Welcome back. All right, so let's get it all started with a little bit of a recap. So in typical Techtober fashion, we have four new videos since the last episode. First up, we'll do, we had the Will Smith interview. Yeah, that's pretty big. Yeah, no big deal. So last week we had Satya Nadella from Microsoft continuing the Talking Tech series with none other than Gemini star, Men in Black star, Fresh Prince star, rapper, actor, comedian,

philanthropist, and we learned cook, Will Smith. That was a lot of fun. So something you don't often see is people who are extremely busy like that taking time to just talk tech for a little bit. This one was because we finally found a reason after YouTube Rewind to collab on something a bit tech-related because the movie he's in, Gemini Man, which is actually now recently out had a bunch of tech in it that was like necessary to make it happen it was him with a younger version of himself

which for one Will Smith looks like he's 35 years old I don't know if he needed CGI to do that that's actually kind of the thing is he looks like a 29 year old Will Smith already even though he's what is he 50 something I think he's right around 50 hey Google how old is Will Smith already even though he's what is he 50 something i think he's right around 50 hey google how old is will smith will smith is 51 years old sorry to trigger all of your uh assistants at home unless

you have siri hey siri how old is will smith just kidding okay uh no yeah that's uh it was a lot of fun to talk thank you siri that's the first time siri's actually done something we've asked usually she's responding to literal nothingness um yeah no that was a lot of fun don't really have a whole lot to add to that i mean just go watch it we did a meme review at the end which was yeah he's just a super nice guy and and that's probably the most time we've had for an interview every time we sit down with like a ceo who they're equally as busy yeah they sit down they tell us we have x amount of time we usually have that amount of time minus a third of that and have very short interviews

where this was one where we actually finished every single question we had written and they were like, oh, that's it? Oh, you're done? And we're like, yeah, we're not used to this much time, but I still think it came out to be a great interview and it was super fun. And here's a great sport with all the meme review stuff which wound up being hilarious. I think there's two very different types of people who are good at being interviewed. And we've talked to both.

One, actually, we've talked to sort of an overlap. But one is the CEO who's really good at being interviewed because he's used to giving non-answers to press. You know what I mean? They get asked all the time, like, what are your plans for this future product? And they go, well, we're thinking very hard about and we care very much about and blah, blah, blah. And that's the typical answer. And so far, we've kind of avoided that sort of nonsense answer but then you also get like the people who are good at being interviewed like kobe bryant who's just charismatic and good at talking about whatever he wants to talk about or someone like will smith who's just been on camera for 25 years in a row and just knows how to be good he knows how to bring

everyone to his level as well and exactly it shows and then you have elon musk and exactly and that's like the sort of in between it's like elon is like able to be the ceo that gives nine answers but also when you just geek out with someone like that for more than about five minutes we just talk tech for a while so anyway will smith interview was fun then we had uh our apple watch review apple watch series five we have a tldr which is just the always-on display. It hurts. It hurts. It's going to hurt your battery.

That's just the end of the story there. I'm at, right now, actually having a pretty good day, 67%. It's around 3 o'clock right now? 3 p.m., so that's a pretty good day for my always-on that I've had it on. I actually have a sort of a developing theory, which is that certain watch faces are more efficient with the always on display. I haven't tested this yet, but the modular one that I've used for a while was really crushing my battery. So I've switched to this other one that's just like just the time and it darkens and it's just the dark version of those digits. So we'll just make a watch face that just has one number. You just know what hour you're on and then it'll crush.

I just want to know roughly somewhat what time it is. It just says morning or afternoon. Afternoon. Is it afternoon? Nope, it's still more. Oh, now it's afternoon. I guess it's about 12. Yeah, no, Apple Watch Series 5.

Pretty simple there. Then we had our, I'm going to go with our dumbest video yet, but also one of the most fun, the thousand uploads project. Yeah. So if you haven't seen this, how would you describe what happened in this video? What happened? I mean, first we have to give the credit due to the guy, I forget his name, unfortunately, but there was an original video like five or six years ago. Ten years ago. Ten years ago.

A decade. Yeah, where he just uploaded and downloaded a video a thousand times and it just turned into visual and audio mush. I would say it turned into a puddle. A puddle. The puddle is a great way of describing it. And then when I heard it again, it literally sounded like something was falling into a puddle and just dripping. But yeah, what would I say? A lot of people say you got Thanos'd.

I feel like everyone's going to be mad because I don't think either of us have seen Endgame or Avengers at all. I mean, I've seen what he looks like. So basically, if you don't know what happened, actually this all originated from an audio project of someone back, way back in the day, Alvin alvin recording i'm sitting in a room and this whole long sentence and recording it to a tape and then recording the recording of the tape and then recording the recording of the recording of the tape and he did that over and over again

to observe audio artifacts alvin lucier i believe is how i pronounce that name and now we did this uh with an 8k youtube video. We uploaded the 8K video to YouTube, downloaded that video, uploaded that, downloaded that video, uploaded that, downloaded that, and got to a thousand uploads. And as you can see, and I mean, there's only, this is a very visual thing, so it's almost no way to go over it on the podcast, but it turns to very pixelated, discolored softened mush i think the best way to describe it is your first of all your skin tone gets completely destroyed it turns into like a t-mobile magenta pink it really does i'm sure john leggera is super pumped to see that um and

then every time you move it has this kind of winding off trail i don't know if you've ever seen there's an okay go music video where you know okay go always does crazy stuff the whole thing is everything they wave around trails so it kind of reminded me of that um and it just got destroyed pretty much yeah it was the audio completely went away because it comes back a couple frames every time you download it until it slid completely out the other side around like 800. I think here's a question We got more than anything else on Twitter. Why didn't you guys? Write a script to do that automatically instead of manually downloading and uploading because you did most of this uploading I think

Between Vin and I he probably did like three to four hundred and then I did the rest Um, it was a lot I gave you credit on Twitter by saying I did the first one and then I let them split the next 999 um we I don't know first of all exactly how to make a script do that I'm sure a lot of people who were like why didn't you write a script I could have done that in five seconds probably true but also here's something we learned from not writing a script is YouTube has uh I guess it's a spam limit or some sort of a limitation to prevent spam of about a hundred uploads every 24 hours. About a hundred uploads. I think it's from the time you hit that hundredth upload, you're on a 24 hour penalty till you can do it

again. So it's not even those a hundred uploads would take somewhere between five to six hours. I mean, that's while we're sitting at work doing stuff so i would get distracted but it it took a long time so it took a few weeks and then the other thing is you can't download it until it's fully processed on youtube which you think going down into these two megabyte like megabyte files that that'll happen instantly but youtube just doesn't care apparently how long it takes to process stuff so sometimes it was instant sometimes it would take 10 minutes and the worst thing you could do was download a not fully processed video and then download that a bunch of times and then realize you're 50 downloads deep into the one that didn't get processed so you have to delete all of them ruin your cap limit for that day and you only get 50 for the day because then you start over basically. Yeah. How small the files get?

Never went under two or maybe it hit like 1.9, but I would say somewhere around pretty early it dropped down to two and would just, but the strange thing was it would go from two, two, two, 2.1, 2.1, two, 2.1, 2, 2, 2, and it would vary between that. Some weird rounding. It's kind of like when I do, some people might not know this, but when I make a thumbnail, I'm exporting a frame of the video originally and like editing it. I edit a lot of the thumbnails mostly in Final Cut Pro, fun fact. I try and get them off. So I'll make it 16 by nine and I'll do all the graphics and whatever, all the coloring

and I'll export it and it'll be about 45 megabytes. And then I have to export that PNG into a JPEG that is less than two megabytes because that's the maximum file size for a custom thumbnail on YouTube. All I do is go into preview in Mac OS X and just export as a JPEG and drag the quality slider lower and lower

until it gets under two megabytes for estimated file size. And then that's my thumbnail. I don't get how websites, especially ones like YouTube youtube can't just be like here it is we'll just compress it for you i mean they so on twitter it does do that yeah so if i upload a 50 megabyte image like i've done this by accident to twitter you'd think it would be like this huge super crisp file but when you go and do that tweet later it'll be like a really muddy like softened compressed version because twitter compresses the crap out of your images yeah that's just the way an image hosting website like Twitter

has to work but yeah it was just kind of fascinating to see the JPEG JPEG JPEG happening on YouTube and just what that sort of turned into over a 30 second video so then last but not least the fourth video of the week was our pixel for impressions video so we had that whole event and uh of course it was a couple of other things happening during that event but we'll go over that a little bit more later in the episode that'll be more of the meat of the show but is there any content that you liked somewhere on the interwebs in the last two weeks that you enjoyed that you want to share actually have something i think it's you yeah okay so uh

elliud kipchoge. Don't know the name. Does that name ring a bell? Not at all. Okay, so he was in the news recently for a couple of reasons. He's arguably, but not really, the greatest marathoner of all time.

Okay, okay, I think I know it. So he was involved in the Nike Under Two project where they were trying to see if a human could physically break the two-hour mile barrier. So this is 26 miles, 26.2 miles. Two-hour marathon barrier. What did I say? Mile barrier.

I think I could beat the two-hour mile barrier. I could definitely beat that. No, it's the two-hour marathon barrier. Okay, that's insane. Which is insane if you've never, I don't know if you've never heard of a marathon, but it's 26.2 miles. Look up marathon times.

They're not close to two hours. It's obscene. If you've ever tried to jog one one you've probably ended up around four hours like to be completely real um it's insane to go under three hours for any competitive runner do you know what the the average mile is on that uh so he had to run in under two hours and there were some calculations i believe it's about a four a four and a half minute mile consecutively for 26 straight miles here's some here's some context on that because i ran track in high school and this was mainly you know in the off season to stay in shape for ultimate but

i did run track and it was indoor and i ran the half mile on the mile and i never ran a sub five minute mile pace as a in shape high school kid. Yeah. Right. So five minutes is already a pretty fast mile. Four minutes was considered like the, there's another one of those human barriers that you just, you don't know if you can do it.

And then once you finally get a human to break that barrier, then suddenly the barrier drops again, which is this really fascinating phenomenon. So the four minute mile went, that was a long time ago. I think Roger Bannister, I don't know how I'm remembering these names, but he got a three minute 59 second mile. And since then, I think the world record is about 343 now for the mile. So it's insane. So another one of those barriers that marathoners were not sure if the human body could hold up to breaking was two hours for the mile and uh the world record for the for the marathon i

think was also a kipchoge record which is about two hours one minute and 40 seconds something like that where it was like you know what if anyone can do do it, it's this guy. So the Nike Sub 2 project he participated in, it was specifically designed to go under 2. He was unsuccessful. He came back again. They had another attempt on this track, and I believe it was Vienna, and it was successful. And he ran 1 hour, 59 minutes, and 40 seconds,

which is an absurd pace. So the piece of content i wanted to recommend was on on the wired youtube channel they have a video about how exactly this was done here's the bummer it doesn't count as an official marathon world record because he used pacers and those pacers were interchanged throughout the race and that immediately disqualifies him and there's a couple other little things but they also had uh you can see in this video, a car that drove in front of him the entire time, an electric car so that he wasn't breathing fumes the entire time. And, uh, it projected lasers on the ground in front of him to align that he had to chase to achieve this four and a half

minute mile per mile pace for 26 miles. and he just had to follow that line on the ground and the pacers that were with him simple yeah of course he didn't get the record that didn't count that's a lot it's a lot going on to like ensure and literally they had a guy on a bike biking next to him like handing him a water bottle that he would hand back so that he could see exactly how many milliliters he drank so he could optimize his fuel consumption it was nuts it was very very precise it was a high-tech thing it disqualified him from the world record but it was fascinating to see that's potentially uh potentially the epitome of human athletic achievement i would say it's that's absolutely crazy and what always baffles me about records like that that are two hours long

is like what if you fail by a minute you have to do this all over i i hate to compare it to like have you ever watched video game speedrunners where they try and beat a whole game yeah that stuff is crazy to me because they're spending two or three hours on this one thing and they're missing it by like two or three minutes and it's like okay that wasn't even cool no one cares about that because i didn't get it right and then that's three hours gone yeah it's crazy i watched a time lapse of it and i i I watched a time lapse of it and I skipped through the time lapse and I realized I don't have the mental stamina to do this

because it's a time lapse of a two-hour event and the time lapse was 10 minutes long and I still didn't watch the whole thing. Yeah, I mean, they need to get some mid-rolls on that video though, so. It was a long, long two hours, but he did it. And another fun fact is the Women's Marathon World Record

was broken the same week Really on a legal course so she uh, no laser I don't have the name or the race But it was Paul Radcliffe's Paul a Radcliffe's record was broken so Wow a fun fun week in the in the world of marathoning I will say yeah, so go check that out. We'll have it in the show notes if you want to watch wireds video Lasers electric cars Pacers. It's a good time. We'll take a quick break and we'll come back and we'll talk Pixel. With Uber Reserve, good things come to those who plan ahead. Family vacay? Reserve your ride as soon as you book your flights. To all the planners, now you can reserve your Uber ride up to 90 days

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Keep doing it. Drive your ambition. Mitsubishi Motors. All right, welcome back. And as you know, in Techtober, there's a ton of events, ton of new tech. And we had Google's event, their hardware event for the fall, where they got their products out for the holiday season. And there was a bunch of stuff. Quite a bit. I i mean we're all obviously there for the pixel 4 because no one had seen it yet so we were really really excited seen it though i'm just kidding it was painfully hard to listen to everything else because we just wanted to see what it looked like but uh so let's see we had nest wi-fi which for google they claim it's like

the best or the most sold mesh wi-fi system i could see that it makes sense because everyone else is probably just looking for linksys or tp link or everything like that on amazon so as a a big company selling it one cool thing i thought about it was they're making the mesh points have the same capabilities as the nest mini or the google home mini they changed that also we found out so like a mesh point has a speaker and has assistant capabilities. So you don't have to do two in a room. The routers have little speakers now.

So instead of buying a little small router and a Google Home Mini, you get one thing. And I guess the price seems to make sense. You get all of that. You get a two pack for 269, I think it was. Is that it? Yeah. So you kind of do double duty there.

Get a little speaker in it. Yeah. And then speaking of that, new Nest Mini, which I think the newest thing about it now is that it's called the Nest Mini and not Google Home Mini. Yeah. That's the newest thing. And you know, I have a theory about why they're doing that. Yeah.

I might have said this before around the studio, but like people have a certain level of trust with different companies. Oh, yeah. people have a certain level of trust with different companies. Oh, yeah. And when you think about putting a camera or any sort of Google product in your home, there's always the slight hesitation of like, they know a lot about me and privacy is a small concern.

Nest, though, on the other hand, is one of those companies with a great reputation. People willingly buy Nest thermostats and Nest cameras and put them in their homes on purpose. Google bought Nest, and so Google will now freely put the Nest name on all of the things they want to comfortably slide into your home. Yeah, to listen to you, to watch you. Yeah, so Nest Mini is what it's called now.

So you're saying Facebook better go buy up a much... Facebook should go buy up a much... Because Facebook will never get a camera in my house, I can tell you. It's also called the Portal, which is not a friendly name either so they should work on like maybe that first too anyway so the nest mini is out it's also like 50 bucks 50 bucks is great i think the two upgrades were better bass apparently which is coming from a mini speaker that didn't have great bass to start so who cares and a wall mount basically just a place they showed the picture of it there's still wire hanging down it looks terrible that's the tough thing about a wall mount is you still have to

plug it in yeah i hope somehow they'll make be able to make a wireless version of that i have no idea how because of the battery life obviously but hmm yeah that might be interesting like is there enough polling and active listening happening that it would crush a battery or do you think they could make like a hockey puck sized google home i mean i guess that's that's not really something people need they don't move it around the house very often don't but even like i have one hung up on like a shelf in my dining room and there's a wire hanging down under this really nice looking shelf and i just hate how it looks like that but would you deal with getting rid of the wire

if you knew you had to recharge it every week or something? That seems like kind of a pain still. Yeah, it does. I'm not saying I have the solution for it. I would just love for it to magically happen. Yeah, I guess I just wonder how much battery would they have to throw in that thing to not have to charge it until like once a month?

Yeah. Seems like a good... It would be tough. And then honestly, at that point, anytime you add recharging in, someone's forget and then i'm gonna sit home yeah ask google something and it won't work and then you'll be like oh these darn things never work yeah you know it's funny in the nest family i have uh the thermostats i do have in my house but each one of them is in like a weird area where it's not perfect for sensing temperature like one of them is behind

my tv so anytime the tv turns on it thinks it's warmer in the room temperature. Like one of them is behind my TV. So anytime the TV turns on, it thinks it's warmer in the room and it might turn the AC on. So I had to get these external sensors that I can put in the room that they talk to to read the temperature from like a better place in the room. Yeah, yeah. And they have these tiny little batteries in them

and they just never die. Really? These like car key batteries. That's awesome. And I've had them for months and they still work. That's really funny. That's impressive. We're so far off track now sorry no it's uh this reminds me of the story my friend had he was in a small apartment and the thermostat was right behind where he put his desktop computer it's gonna be hot it started getting really cold and

the thermostat never threw the heat on because his fans were just blowing heat out of his computer all the time. Yeah. Anyway, so yeah, so Nes Mini. So that's a thing. Nes Mini. Pixelbook? Pixelbook 2? Is that what they're calling it? They spent like 12 seconds on Pixelbook. Honestly, on stage. I saw like a rapid fire of like close-up angles of corners of the thing. And then I saw the price slide and one full screenshot and it was over yeah like i have really not seen much i have two thoughts on it okay the first one is what is it $6.99 now $6.49 $6.49 one still too expensive but way better than a thousand dollars because i don't know how they ever thought someone was going to spend a thousand dollars on a chromebook that was

a tough sell that was a very tough sell and then the other thing was just the way they described the colors the the i think it was a woman on stage literally goes and it comes in just black and not pink i was like wow you you really don't like pink that you're specifically saying it doesn't oh wait though that's that's your naming color so it's called just black and the other one's called not pink yeah but in the sentence she said it out loud and made it sound like it's only coming in black. Trust me, it doesn't come in pink. Wow, interesting. Well, I think I'll probably end up buying one

and checking it out just because I've been on a little streak of checking out the latest Chromebooks and the last one didn't go so great. So we'll see if this one goes better. This might be it, chief. We'll see. PixelBuds 2 also came out. And this was an interesting one because they look impressive

yeah i mean you know as impressive as earbuds can be they have google assistant built in they have a five-hour battery life and then a 24-hour case uh pretty small compact design they say they'll sound good they had like a little spatial awareness or uh it was like a hole in the bottom so it lets in a certain amount of outside noise to not feel like you have that like suction feeling which i think sounds super interesting and that's i have my jaybird runs and as much as i love them it does feel like even though they're just small in the ears it feels like something's like it feels like they're like pushing you it's the seal they create basically but also i think when they want you to be comfortable and wear them all the time you don't want to feel like you're in this closed environment

so that whole i think is going to be good for that um the big problem is i don't know they don't come out till spring 2020 that's a what what is so special about these smart assistant speakers and earbuds that's taking so long we still don't have bixby speaker why is it taking so long for google to make these? I have no idea. The Verge cast did an interview with Rick Osterloh and he said something that they're coming up before IO and there's no more event between now and IO.

So they wanted to announce them, but I can't imagine there's not, even on the Verge cast, he pulls them out and starts listening to them, but won't show them to Neely. So it sounds like they're pretty much ready to go. But yeah, I think the hard thing is, is they look cool based on all the features and how they look.

They look like they could be great, but nothing matters until we hear them. Right. We can say it looks pretty good. Yeah. I think they kind of hedged their bet last time on differentiating based on, you know, that's that translate feature they tried to sell everyone on where you could sort of live translate with this app and hopefully speak to people in different languages. First of all, I don't know how many people thought that was a useful case. Like maybe a couple people would love that to do that every day.

If it worked perfectly, it could literally change the world. It would have been super cool, but it didn't work perfectly. And they also didn't sound great. So they really didn't have a lot going for them um we'll see about these but that really all was just the sort of precursor to pixel 4 which honestly no one had any idea what that phone would look like we were shocked by seeing this on stage and um if you can't hear the sarcasm dripping from my voice this was like i i think easily the most leaked phone of all time uh right above pixel 3 so yeah good work google um what did you think you're you've been a pixel a pixel 3 guy for a pixel 3 xl guy for a while so we we got the new specs we got snapdragon

855 6 gigs of ram we got 64 or 128 gigs of storage and then we got this new design all right let's let's start hardware looks design sure let's just start there because it it goes down a rabbit hole all after that um i like how it looks um i like how it looks black bumper i'm in love with i think looks really really black bumper okay i'm with you on that yeah the two matte colors look great or orange looks great white looks great black like we said in our video i think your video talks about how you feel personally attacked yeah that was just like uh so they don't know why we've been pretty nice to you google i don't know why you have such a vendetta against marquez but just make the matte black one guys. So I'm holding the, uh, the,

it's very coral. I would say the orange one. Uh, in fact, it's very close to the coral color of the iPhone 10 R from last year. We pulled it out. We pulled our XR out and it's very similar, a little less saturated, I would call it. But, um, I love that the, the logo's kind of the same color. So it doesn't blow out like, Hey, we're a Google phone. It's just very, very clean looking low key. It's pretty clean. It's very clean. I're a google phone it's just very very clean looking low-key it's pretty clean it's very clean i'm gonna say it's a clean nice looking back of the phone the camera square on the back is smaller than the iphone and it doesn't have the individual like cutouts like the stovetop so i'm sure there's some apple people out there gonna be like i can't believe you like i don't like it but i like it a little better than the iphone one they look the same but they also look different it looks a bit cleaner it I like it a little better than the iPhone one. They look the same, but they also look different. It looks a bit cleaner.

It looks cleaner for a stupid bump on the back of the phone. Yeah, a little cleaner, a little smaller, a little darker. So that's fine. Then they have this matte black texture on the back. So the coral one, matte. The white one, matte. The black one, glossy. Okay, wow.

Okay, well, so they have the, even matt black rails on that phone but the back is like this jet black and every single one i saw at that event was covered in fingerprints it was just i think even some of the pictures i saw on twitter with twitter compression i could see fingerprints on it so that's they're pretty bad so i felt personally attacked there then there's uh there's two cameras on the back of the pixel and this is one where you know there's two cameras on the back of the Pixel and this is one where you know there's people who were for the most part kind of on my side on this one

they decided on a main camera and a telephoto camera and I get it like they justified it pretty well on stage and they had me up to a point they were like you know portrait mode will do better because we can use the data from both cameras now to do better depth and we can do much better zoom it's

a 2x zoom but super res zoom from the 2x will be even better and i'm like yeah yeah you know it's a two it's a telephoto lens it's it's f24 so it's a little slow so we'll see how that goes maybe that's not so bad and then the guy on stage like wraps it up with, so while we think ultra wide is fun, I swear to God he looked over at me. He was like, you're catching your toys. He looked over at me. He was like, so while ultra wide may be fun, we think telephoto is just more useful.

And literally Danny Windgett's like right in front of me, super scientific, turned around and just kind of like chuckled at me. And I was like, yeah, dude, I don't know how I feel anymore. This feels like a personal attack. I feel like I have a ton of feelings just about this camera. I mean, let's be real. Pixel is super popular because of its camera.

Right. I don't think there's anybody arguing that. Pixel 3 was all about the camera. If you watch any Pixel 3 review from last year from the last 12 months the most talked about thing in i'm gonna go ahead and say 90 something percent of those videos is camera camera camera camera photos specifically yeah so you're you're kind of looking to re-energize that focus on the camera let's say you work for google you're like all right let's make sure this camera is better than last year um what's everyone else doing let's see ultra wide okay iPhone ultra wide

okay LG ultra wide what about like the fringe ones like ROG phone ultra wide okay let's see gaming phone Razer phone ultra wide okay like okay let's see what else is in our price range ultra wide ultra wide yeah we're not gonna do that

why okay so here's my gripe because I've seen some comments about how oh you can take a photosphere or a panorama to get your ultra wide guys that's not what i mean yeah you can walk 10 more feet forward and also walk backwards exactly this is about like the fun creative angle you can get from like just walking up to something and snapping a super close-up and getting the ultra wide perspective getting a landscape getting more of the night sky for your astrophotography, all this stuff would have been

so much more fun with an ultra wide. Especially when you have the square and the only other people to do that square design on the back had three cameras in the iPhone 11 Pro and when they didn't do three cameras, they had an ultra wide as a second camera. So it's gonna be tough. Here's a complaint a lot of people had about the camera

video really didn't take a big step up no if you look at it on paper uh you had 4k 30 instead of 4k 60 or 24 you know and no 24 so you have no 24 native so no improvement on the spec sheet there and then the front-facing camera just does i think 1080 30 fps so you're not getting 4k from the front-facing camera either and there's also not two front-facing cameras anymore i know the pixel 3 had a super ultra wide front-facing camera and a standard this one's just it's pretty wide but it's only one front-facing camera um i don't hate that as much i like that it's still pretty wide but no 4k video from that yeah no no 4k video is weird no 4k 60 on the back is weird you'd think they'd make this step up um actually good to go back to the verge cast interview with rick

he literally didn't even have like an answer as to why it didn't have it he was just like yeah yeah we'll get there kind of wow it wasn't great but um. I'm fine with one camera on the front as long as it's wider. I think wider selfies was a great idea because it just makes perfect sense. Why wouldn't you put it on the back? You know we like wide. People have been asking for a wider selfie camera on the iPhone

forever and they finally did it and it's looked great. John Morrison, TLD Today, he's shot a couple of videos actually. I think his last two just with the 4K front-facing ultrawide on the iPhone. I think that was a slap in the face. It looks great. Yeah, and talked about the Pixel in those videos. Some, I'm not mad about the front-facing camera, but I am just very intrigued by the, I think what you said about him not having an answer.

You know what that tells me is that they really just didn't focus on video again this time. Yeah, and I would be like, you know i i take way more photos than videos i totally understand that some people like that video is a second thought to a lot of people but i just am not as happy with the still photo upgrades in this like i feel like we we went back maybe not back a step they took away portrait mode on the regular wide camera, which is really strange because Apple's been, people have been asking Apple to do that for so long. They added this year.

Pixel comes out with it two times and then they're like, oh, we're going to take it away from your wide. I just took a portrait of you today to test it. And you even said to me like, did you have to walk that far back to take that? You were like halfway across the room. I was was like that's a medium shot for this now um i have this weird theory about the two times tell so they talk about how they that tell photos zooming in is more important

for the customer or something right they they didn't want ultra wide ultra wide's fun tell photos more useful right they gave some numbers like oh, we noticed a lot of people pinched to zoom in. So we just want to make that better quality. Yeah. Why, then why two times? Like I want some, I don't know what you can put in a phone, I guess. Are there three or five times?

Like I would kill for a five times in a phone. Right. So the OnePlus. Five times optical. Yeah. The OnePlus 7 Pro has a 3X optical zoom. And the Huawei Mate 30 30 or what is this the mate i'm gonna mess up they have so many i think it's the mate 30 pro that i've been using has the

five times optical zoom but it's the periscope zoom so it's a little bit of a different mechanic in there but yeah you're right like a 3x or a little more would have been a little more productive i would be way more okay with not having an ultra wide if it was like a really good telephoto they they keep talking about this i forget enhanced super zoom or whatever which they had last year maybe i'm zoom yeah maybe i'm zooming in too far but i'm not getting great pictures out of a really good zoom they say it like uses the sway of your body to fix everything but a shake of your hands if you'd ask me if google was was gonna put two cameras on the next pixel What is the worst second camera that they could put in the pixel?

top of my list would have been a black and white depth sensor and Second on my list would have been probably like a 2x telephoto because that sounds about useless and that's what we got here. Yeah It's looking pretty tough in a world where the $100 cheaper iPhone 11 has the ultra wide, has a bunch of other things that people tend to value in a phone, has a wider selfie camera, has all these things. A hundred bucks less. That's going to be a tough sell. Bigger battery. That's a great segue. Let's go right into pricing. What do you think about pricing on these? It's a little strange. I think the Pixel 4, smaller one, is overpriced. Sure.

And I think the Pixel 4 XL is tough. It's right at the peak of like, if it was 50 bucks less, I would have been fine with it. But it's right at the peak of, is it really worth it? So the Pixel 4 is $799. And the Pixel 4 XL is $899. Both of those phones have 64 gigs of storage. So right off the bat, a lot of people are going to want to upgrade, which gets you $128 and your starting prices become $899 and $999.

That's pretty tough. That's pretty expensive. You're competing with the big dogs now. There's like a couple things about that. First of all, 64 gigs of storage. I feel like you could pull that off on the Pixel 3 before because they offered the original quality photo storage the unlimited of it and then they take that away this year right so 64 gigs on a phone that you're probably buying because you like the camera a lot just seems kind of pointless seems like i don't consider 7.99 a starting price

anymore no one no one wants that phone so we'll see i mean this is all pre-review and the review is going to be coming out next week and we're going to evaluate you know see if the cameras really do make a difference and there's a lot of stuff we got to test i think the number one thing we really have question marks about is these sensors up at the front jesus so they tossed a radar sensor is that should i call it a radar? A radar sensor in the front of the phone? I'd definitely call it radar because I think this is the first time radar has been in a phone. Right. Is what they say.

This is different than how LG does it. Yeah. Almost works just as well. Yeah. Okay. So LG did this front-facing gesture stuff with just infrared and some, I don't even remember what they call it, the hemoglobin in your blood sensor. Oh, they had that, yeah.

That was like an unlock feature. Yeah, that was a lot. Their blood sensor. We'll just skip over POM ID for a second. But now we have a bigger forehead on this phone and no notch because they've stuck a bunch of sensors in there, IR blaster, receiver, the radar, and all the sensor suite is used for face unlock.

Mixed impressions. And this isn't my review, but mixed impressions, it's very, very fast. That's the first thing we notice, is you unlock the phone. And this radar is being used to sort of project this like bubble around your phone to give it a sort of awareness of what's around it. If you walk away from the phone,

it notices that nothing is near it and it turns the always on display off. When you come up next to it and you reach away from the phone, it notices that nothing is near it and it turns the always on display off. When you come up next to it and you reach up to the phone, it starts to wake everything up. The display sort of lights up a little bit. And as soon as you pick up the phone, it unlocks it because it's already lit up the sensors and it knows you're picking it up and it goes right to unlock the phone. That's a great idea. Yeah, that worked super fast, super well. To the point where, and I'll mention this in the review, like I'm unlocking the phone. That's a great idea. Yeah, that worked super fast, super well. To the point where, and I'll mention this in the review, like I'm unlocking the phone left and right all the time

by accident. Just like I'll pick it up for a second just to move it across my desk and I'll glance at the time and it's just unlocked instantly. It unlocks with my eyes closed. That's a problem. I was just about to say like unlocked all the time without even thinking about it. That kind of sounds like the dream. Yeah. Unlocked with your eyes closed, not the most secure thing. I think it's a very small portion of people who would find that very not secure. I think there's some very niche things. I think some people always remember.

Psycho girlfriends who will hold the phone over your eyes while you're sleeping. Do you remember when the iPhone face unlock first came out? How many people were like, man, what happens if my girlfriend wants to unlock my phone while I'm sleeping? Didn't they have to add the attention feature to make sure your eyes are on and looking at the screen for it to unlock? I forget exactly. I just couldn't believe that argument. Yeah. I mean, to be honest.

It is kind of strange. And I've had this complaint or not complaint, but this is a sort of a trade off you're making when you have, you know,b sensors like from one plus six in the past for example where you look at the phone it unlocks instantly because it just sees an rgb of your face yeah but it can be tricked by like sometimes a photo of you sometimes you just like glance at it and someone looks like you and it unlocks um you're getting a security trade-off so the faster it is the less secure it is face id pretty fast but not as fast much more secure it uses a 3d depth map uses ir this uh has yet to be seen again we're reviewing

it but it seems to be a little bit less secure and faster yeah it's a trade-off some people might like some people might not like um but then there's all the other gestures they decided to add in yeah one more thing that i think is for the gesture that's kind of neat is kind of similar to how face unlock works where if a timer and alarm is going off when you start reaching for it yeah it knows you're reaching for it so it starts to quiet the alarm because it knows you're taking care of it i love that great idea those two are great ideas for gestures yeah and then and then there's uh this sort of swiping going on

anytime you move to swiping this is where it sort of starts to lose me and maybe i'm just doing it wrong because i've watched some other videos where i think i've heard people quote saying it worked a hundred percent of the time or it looked well it looked better than lgs and flawlessly meanwhile i'm over here trying to swipe mine and i'm getting it to work like one out of every 12 times yeah really different experiences between me and some other people. But I tried this the most times at the event. And of course, there's more software updates to come and everything like that. But there really is no visual feedback about if you're doing it right. So here's an example. You have a song playing

in Spotify. Your phone is wireless charging next to you or you're cooking, your hands are dirty or something and you want to switch to the next song. What do you do? You either ask Google to go to the next song or you just wave at your phone and it magically sees your gesture and swipes to the next song. I tried the simplest version of this and it just refused to work. It was really, really finicky. to work it was is really really finicky um to me it falls again in this gimmick bucket for sure um until you know third-party apps maybe plug in more interesting ways to do it i think the best part of this really still is the radar which is just finding this bubble around your phone of activity and knowing when you're in the bubble or not in the bubble yeah um and that actually brings me pretty smoothly as a transition to

the 90 Hertz display. Again, some interesting things about the 90 Hertz display. It's not always 90 Hertz. Like we've seen, there's some other phones that do this in different ways. But your phone, again, will detect when you're not looking at it and throttle back down to 60 Hertz. If you're watching a 60 Hertz YouTube video, it'll throttle back down to 60 hertz. If you're watching a 60 hertz YouTube video, it'll throttle back down to 60 hertz. So again, this radar and this sort of sense of awareness of like when you're about to use the phone or when you're picking up the phone, all this is sort of coming together.

And I think that's probably the best part of the sensor suite and the gestures are not so much on the gestures. They could have just not shown the gestures and I would have been more impressed. Honestly. Just leave them out. The whole faster face unlock and alarm thing, I was like, that's a great idea. That's so simple and it works and it's perfect. And then they're like, let's swipe three inches further from where you were going to swipe anyways. And it's just not going to work. Yeah. That's what we should show everybody. Yeah, sorry. That's my rant on that one. So yeah, I mean, we'll figure it out.

Well, again, I'm going to keep using this phone. I have the Pixel 4 XL in our, I'm going to call it coral. I'm just going to not call it orange anymore. It's very coral. Are you sure the color is not called not orange? I think it's called oh so orange. Could be coral.

Could be coral. So we'll test this. We'll come back at you with the full review. But that's been our feeling so far. What do you do you think? Have you pre ordered one? Or are you even considering? No. Oh, I haven't pre ordered it. Okay. What are you considering pre ordering one? Or just waiting? I think I'm just gonna wait. Okay. I wouldn't doubt if I wind up with a pixel four eventually. But it nothing like made me jump on my computer. What's your biggest disappointment with the Pixel 3

that you were hoping Pixel 4 would solve? Performance? 90 hertz? 90 hertz. I mean, 90 hertz is what I'm most excited for, for sure. I know the camera's still going to be great. Always going to be mad there's no ultra wide. Yeah.

Can I have a hot take on pixel 4 okay i think i like the old terrible notch better than the giant forehead i know people aren't gonna agree with me on that i don't think the notch is a great design okay i just don't like i would i would rather have the chin of the four and the notch of the three. Because the chin does get smaller on the four. Right, the chin's a little smaller. But then that giant forehead, I feel like I notice things on the bottom way less than I notice them on the top.

So seeing that huge thing up there, at least with the notch, I get my notifications and my time in these nice little corners, whereas this, I feel like it's just completely wasted space on top of the phone. You know what, I'm gonna stick out my neck for you and I'm gonna agree.

Let's go. That I, and maybe it's something about I've used so many notched phones this year that I've just gotten used to the sort of ears in the corner where like toss the time up in the right corner, toss the notifications up in the left. I kinda like the look of going to the corners more instead of having a gigantic forehead,

just the way this phone looks. It's a strange look. It just feels really off. It just doesn't feel right. I'm sure everyone will get used to it, just like we all got used to the notch. The back and the sides of the phone I love. I think my only other issue with the look of it is i would the power the power buttons i like

contrasting power buttons i wish they were the same color as the back the orange ones like this pink color yeah whereas weird the white ones orange i don't mind that as much my fit i don't get why before they did a slightly off color because the phone was all one color, so it contrasted, but now you have black bumpers. So you're contrasting no matter what. Yeah, so just go like white or like the same color. Yeah. I don't know.

I don't like the pink button. Yeah, orange power button on orange, white power button on white. I think would have looked perfect. The black one has a white power button, so that's interesting. The black one, they just messed up that phone. so that's uh that's pixel 4 i feel like we're kind of in our feelings a little bit but you know we'll we'll keep figuring it out and

the review will be uh it'll be a doozy yeah this was for sure uh these are our like initial feelings like we haven't really had any time as much as everyone thinks we've had the pixel 4 for like a month that's We actually haven't. Marques is at it for, I don't even know if it's been 24 hours yet. Yeah, about that. It was really funny reading all the tweets just because I was live tweeting the event. And every time I'd share something, someone would say like, you've had that for four months, right? It didn't help that Linus showed this up too.

They're like, well, if one other YouTuber has it, of course Marques has it. Yeah, they've all got it. No, yeah. So this is super early impressions. Before we leave on that one with all of this, with all of this not having as much hype as I want, all I can think about is why didn't one plus release the one plus 70 pro? Because if that comes out right now with all these people, you, you can,

we can all agree that the whole general discussion around this launch event right now before reviews have been out is like this is not what we were hoping for right so imagine all these people who saved out for pixel 4 didn't buy a 7 pro right now if 7t pro came out how many of those people do you think would hop to OnePlus? But 7T Pro is not coming out in the US. I think it would have been a very compelling cross shop. I think 7T Pro right now, even along the line, we don't have a price. Let's say it's 700 bucks.

Yeah. Because the 7 Pro is 669. So let's say 700 bucks you get for the 7T Pro. Better chip, Snapdragon 855 Plus. Yeah. More RAM, eight gigs, right? You have better storage. I don't know if they said UFS 3.0 or 2.0 for Pixel.

I don't recall. I feel like they said no specs about Pixel. Yeah, I mean, but only 64 gigs as base. So you're getting 700 bucks. You get 128 gigs of UFS 3 storage. Oh yeah, storage, sorry. Yeah, and then you get a larger battery by a lot. So if you're looking at again

the bigger phone for this you're like i don't want the pixel 4xl 3700 milliamp hour battery the 7t pro has a 4000 milliamp hour battery 4085 you're gonna miss out on wireless charging but you have warp charge 30t which is very very fast and then yeah you're getting android 10 out the box also with that phone and maybe the biggest downside is the curved screen. And the camera. And the cameras, exactly. Yeah, it's all very close. Man, I keep forgetting about wireless charging. Why do I like wireless charging so much? Well, that's one of those things that once you get used to it, it's hard to go back. It really is. I was literally just, as you were asking me about Pixel 4, I'm like, I really wish 7t pro came because

i would probably hop on that but i have a wireless charger everywhere now and yeah oh that's actually i'm just wondering about um the battery life is another concern on on the pixels because the smaller pixel 4 went down it has a smaller battery than the pixel 3 yeah it has a 2800 milliamp hour battery from 2915 uh and you're looking at a 95x refresh rate on the display so how is that battery gonna hold up that's not that's what i i honestly just think the smaller pixel especially the 64 gig is no one's gonna buy it except which here's another worst deal yeah uh but available on all carriers. I just thought about that because the only people who are going to buy that phone

are on carriers. Yeah. Great for Pixel sales because they're available on all carriers, but... Yeah. Oh, man. We've gone off the rails here a little bit.

Well, there's that, and there's just like... Even on the XL, it has a 3700 milliamp hour battery, and it has a really high resolution display. It's a 3200 by 1800 display. So if you think about the OnePlus 7 Pro we were just talking about, OnePlus 7T Pro, that would have been a 2560 by 1440.

So this is higher res than that. This is like a 500 DPI display, 3K and 90 Hertz. And you're probably maxing the brightness out all the time because it's not so bright even on the xl the batteries might struggle so i'm gonna i'm gonna keep an eye out for other reviewers that are testing the smaller phone because i'm testing the bigger one right now and that's the one i'll be reviewing but i'm gonna keep an eye out for the small phones too if that's even a thing they gave out they might have hesitated on that too huh yeah man google really has this thing of like let's do half of these things great

and let's do the other half of them literally enough to where you might not want the phone anymore. Yeah, that's tough. Well, before we start crying openly on this podcast, let's take a quick break and we'll come back with our guests, Justine and Jenna. We'll talk camera camp. We'll talk iPhone 2020.

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We have, we could talk about a ton of things, but I know you guys both talk a lot of camera stuff and a lot of Apple stuff all the time, just because that's obviously super important in the world of tech. I want to talk about Camera Camp because you guys both, how would you describe Camera Camp? You ran the camp or you use it as a tutorial or a learning experience or just talk me through what is camera camp? It was the honestly the best time ever so Sony does this event called condo and they've been doing it for like three I think this was their third year that they did it and last year we went and it was mostly based for photographers

So there was a few youtubers there like this is so fun because we actually made some really great connections made some friends and just Left there inspired and learned a lot. Nice. So we wanted to do that same thing, but for video creators. And Sony was so on board with every single crazy idea that we had. We wanted it to have a camp vibe, and we wanted there to be learning, but also just fun. And it was really, really fun. Yeah.

So we had it in like a ranch in Montana. We had like 80-some creators come out, and then we had a second group of people come out and there was workshops and there were dogs and there's just a lot of activities in the ranch. So it was really cool opportunity to just create content and collab. A ranch in Montana. Yeah. That sounds beautiful. Sounds like very isolated and sort of out of the way and they just got like a ton of snow. So when it's a camera camp, so it's specifically for video.

just got like a ton of snow. So when it's a camera camp, so it's specifically for video. So it's like if people are interested in making video or making better video, this is a camp to learn to do it better. Basically, yeah. I mean, we wanted to have like a camp vibe as well, but it was really, we want you to learn. And I feel like most of the learning took place

from each other. So like Jenna went and did like some astrophotography, but they also had a bunch of Sony instructors that teach these things all the time. But a lot of the stuff, like we were just learning from each other and just really having fun and doing collabs. That's something I found that when I shoot

with other YouTubers, I learn the most. So when we'll collab or we'll go out to LA and I'll shoot with the thousands of other YouTubers that are all in LA, number one thing I always find is I learn the most either about gear or about workflow from other YouTubers. Do you have any like pro tips that you got from camera

camp that you can share from another YouTuber maybe that you learned? Or is it all top secret intel? I mean I think probably as soon as you have the footage you should back up that SD card because I know some people have lost some footage also. So that is something that I'm always just obsessed about

is making backups of the backups. Also, if you're testing anything that a product isn't out yet, make sure it's actually compatible with your camera that you're using. Justine, there was a little incident. Yeah, I was shooting some stuff and then I didn't have like the,

we had a scavenger hunt. It was really fun. I was so excited. We took all these pictures and then I realized the camera that I was using wasn't out yet. So the trying to import those images into Lightroom like there wasn't it didn't know what was going on it didn't know what's going on so we had to go back and like take some jpegs of it so

that would actually work that's actually i've had that problem a couple times it's such a very rare problem to have where you're using a product and suddenly oh the codec doesn't exist for what i'm using or the product isn't out yet so things don't work but that is a good tip to definitely keep in mind. I have run into the situation where you have something that isn't out and then I'll run into somebody on the street and they'll be like oh my gosh Justine good to see you and then they take a selfie and then I'm like oh my gosh did I just leak this product in this selfie so you I'm always like hiding everything. I'm pretty good about that I'm pretty good I've had people like almost I guess I talk a lot of phone stuff so if I have an unreleased phone usually people are like hey so I guess I talk a lot of phone stuff. So if I have an unreleased phone, usually people are like, hey, so I bought this phone

because of you. That's like the number one thing people say. And then what phone are you using right now? And I'm like, you know, it's a secret. I can't tell you. You'll figure it out in like a week when the video comes out. Yeah. So I'm usually pretty good about that.

But one product that was hard to hide was the Apple Watch Series 5. I was using it and I was testing it, but it's an always on display. And the day that I got it, I was outside and it was sort of dark out. We were at a campfire and immediately one of my teammates is like, so that's the Series 5, right? It's got the always on screen. I was like, well, yeah, I guess now, you know, there's not much I can say like to hide it or whatever. But yeah, that's that's been kind of interesting. No interesting no it is really cool but it's been so much fun just getting to test these things out too because I mean you are sort of the first person to get to do this it's also like even testing out video

games where normally I'll go through and be like oh shoot I'm stuck at this one part I'm gonna go do a walkthrough there's no walkthroughs so you just have to figure it out true are you testing unreleased Sony products is that what's happening well that was the one cool thing too about our camera camp was sony had all of these cameras and all these lenses and they had the 6600 i don't think it's out yet i don't think it was at the time at the time yeah so they had like a bunch of those cameras just for testing and for people to use so um i guess sometimes you do get to test the unreleased cameras that is the best part though is they have all this gear i mean it is it's basically like just take one of these massive walls and just fill it with every single possible lens,

every body, every combination of everything. Gearhead stream. It's insane. It's so great. You can just go in and try stuff out, which is really fun. I mean, they had the one lens. It's like a $13,000 lens. I'm like, what am I supposed to do with this?

I guess on one hand, that's smart of Sony to offer their nice high-end and maybe unreleased stuff so you learn how to use it really well and they get used to it and they go back to your you know your photography or your video and you're kind of like well maybe I should pick up that 6600 that I just learned to do all these tricks with. Which we did because the first year at Kondo we tested out the 8 millimeter or the 80 millimeter. 85. It was 85. 85 yeah. Immediately had to buy after and then this year it was the 135 and so just the shots are so amazing so it gets to us yeah you end up you're doing a little shopping dangerous yes to us gearheads anytime i hang out with either it's two people john john

rettinger or sorry john morrison john morrison is super guilty i was probably spent more because of him than anyone else and peter mckinnon they'll show me a piece of gear and the back here. Just try it. Just use it Just give it a shot and I'll take one photo with an 85 be like I need an 85 I don't need an 85 but I I get one because these people are very Insane every time we're in LA with John you try something and it's at our door by the time we make it literally every time Sometimes I get it shipped to LA so I can use it for the rest of my trip while I'm there. It's dangerous But yeah, camera camp was really great Sometimes I get it shipped to LA so I can use it for the rest of my trip while I'm there. It's dangerous. But yeah, camera camp was really great.

I just think it was just such a fun experience just to be able to get a bunch of creators out of their element and just have fun and talk. And me and Jenna also did a session where we wanted everyone to turn their phones off, cameras off. It was like an off-limits kind of session where we just talked about burnout because it is such a real real issue, I think in our industry and in every industry. So it's just trying to find those boundaries and how to survive really. Yeah. Do you think, the reason I couldn't go this year was because it was right up in like October, right at the beginning.

Yes. Do you think you're doing it again next year? And if so, what kind of, is it going to be the same place, different place, different time? What kind of plans are there? We're not sure. We haven't, I I mean it just ended,

but it was the only time that we could get this ranch and I sent invites out to all the tech YouTubers. I was like, I realize this is iPhone season, you're probably not gonna come, but I just want you to know you're invited. And it's totally okay to say no, I get it. But it was great because Montana doesn't have sales tax, so we all shipped our phones there.

Doesn't have sales tax. Yeah, and the watch, the ceramic and the iPhone, I saved like 300 bucks. You definitely save a lot of money on sales tax. There's some states that don't have sales tax and then some states that don't have income tax. And then I think there's one other thing, but I don't know if there's any perfect state

with none of these things. I know Florida doesn't have, I think it's income tax. I don't know. Some interesting things. Anyway, yeah, no, I hope you do it again. And if you do, I hope it's in an equally beautiful place at a different time.

Different time. I would love to go. I know. Season two. Okay. So I have a... Before we end, can I go off of... So we had something on the podcast once where Marques and I discussed your favorite way

to take pictures when you're doing something like hiking or traveling where you don't want to carry something too big around. So now that you just went to camera camp and both of you guys seem to go to a national park like every month. We do. What are your favorites? Why do you like them? Pros and cons of them? I love the... Which dog is that? We're not even sure at this point. That's Mac, yeah. I love the RX100 Mark VII that just came out recently because it does have an audio input and it's small. So what I'll do is I will just put like a lav mic on

and then just keep it permanently like attached to myself. And then I'll just plug it directly into the camera. So I can do like this very small sort of setup. It still shoots 4K. You can still shoot up to like has high frame rate. So it's just very easy to use. What about for pictures though? Yeah. It does do raw.

It does do raw it does do raw it's a great photo camera yeah it is good i mean sometimes it's like that or the arc zero which is really nice does that have the bigger sensor is that a one inch sensor it does it's the same as the arcs 100 okay so that's great and then honestly just a phone like the phone sometimes is the best bet because yeah you know when you are hiking you need that extra space to carry water and i also always travel with a satellite phone too so that thing is that's a good idea it's really i mean you can text from like the middle of nowhere in the mountain as long as you have access to the sky that's a good pro tip bring a phone that doesn't depend on at&t towers or any cell towers

because most of the time there isn't reception out there and i have the one of the garmin inreach ones and i got the bigger version because it works at like the north and south pole which i was like i have to get this one because what if i'm at the north of the south might be out there i would recommend getting the mini because it can also connect to your phone so you can just text and still use like the satellite so it's pretty great so definitely recommend it if you're outdoorsy cool okay well that's a good segue because I want to talk about phone camera. Just kidding. I just want to talk about the iPhone. We want to talk iPhone 2020. So we did a video on your channel talking about sort of experience with the the last like three weeks of using the iPhone 11, which is at a great camera

and mean the main new things were the battery, the camera, and iOS and the new A13. I have a small list of what I'm hoping is in the 2020 iPhone. So I want to go through one by one, go down this list, and we can all weigh in on how much we care about or want this to happen or not. Because there's some things that we sort of say we want, like reverse wireless charging. And then we're like, well, do we actually care about that? Or is that just sort of a fun novelty thing? Do we actually want that?

So I'm going to go down my tiny list and we can give like a score of 1 to 10 of how bad we want it. Okay. This is going to be fun. Okay. So right off the top, we already know we're probably going to get an A14 Bionic. I feel like that's sort of a given. Yeah. Performance is already great on the iPhones. I don't know if anyone's like dying for an A14, but that's probably going to happen.

So I'll just like leave that on the table. USB Type-C. Come on. 11, 12, 13. Like I'm so sick of carrying around all of these cables. Like I just want to have one cable. I really want USB Type-C in the iPhone. And it's already, it's in the iPad Pro already, right?

So when I heard we're going to get iPhone Pro, I was like, that's a perfect time. If you're going to change the name, just drop USB Type-C in there. Are you already charging like everything with USB Type-C? I mean, yeah, I do everything with USB Type-C. So like having some friends like, hey, do you have an Apple cable? Nope. I don't. Sorry.

I mean, do you guys remember when they like switched over to the lightning? It was a big deal. People were like freaking out. Like, do you think that they're worried that that's going to be the same thing? But that was this huge connector into something that made sense. don't know why yeah no we're ready for the change now we're mad about we're mad about lightning because everyone had the 30 pin every accessory in the world every ipod everything possible had the 30 pin connector since then apple's gotten rid of the headphone jack and they've switched to lightning and lightning is definitely smaller and

it makes perfect sense and it can carry more power but it's been a couple years now and i don't think they're scared of any backlash they're clearly willing to mess with ports uh i think it's gotta be this year that we get a usbc iphone next year 2020 i think it's gotta be 2020 it's almost here so i'm putting that at like a nine out of 10 for me. It's pretty high on my list. I'll probably rank it like an eight. Oh, that's high. I said 11. Oh, well, I gave it like a B. It's pretty high.

Am I rating this as someone who doesn't use an iPhone? Sure. Yeah, then I could help my friends out when they need to get changed. I'll go 10. That's a good reason. That's most important. Well, which phone do you have? Does it have reverse wireless charging?

Because then I can charge. Oh, okay. It does not. Okay. Sorry. Not that helpful. You does not. Okay. Sorry. Not that helpful. You're not going to be very helpful. Not at all.

How am I going to airdrop you these pictures of Mac? I do have a Mac computer. Oh. Only here. Okay. That makes sense. Got airdropped. That's all I can do.

Incredible. Okay. So next thing I'm kind of hoping for is a ProMotion display. And again, I was hoping for it this year, but ProMotion being the 120 hertz, super high refresh rate OLED screen on the iPhone. Heard we were getting a Pro. Heard we were getting ProMotion. Didn't happen.

I would say now the iPhone is already one of the most responsive phones, but using some of these 90 hertz and 120 hertz phones and it's starting to pick up some steam, I'm really hoping we get a higher refresh rate iPhone. That is definitely something I don't think is a gimmick and that I want. I think so. Even just using like the OnePlus recently, I was like, oh, wow. Okay. So maybe this does feel a little bit different. Do you notice the difference between 90? Yeah.

Well, just even like when I'm taking photos, just like that slight little bit, like it does make a big difference. But unless you're looking for it, even like looking at the iPhone 11 compared to the Pro. Yeah. I mean, when you hold them side by side, it's definitely something that's noticeable. So, I mean, I think maybe it's probably about a 7 on my list. Yeah. I'm not like, oh my God, I need this, but I'd be into it.

I'll probably give it like a 6. I'm going to give it an 8 for me. Okay. It's pretty high. I don't have a rating, but I'm excited. If it goes 120, you know, you have people coming from 60, you probably haven't even experienced 90, and they're going to jump all the way to 120.

So I can't wait until people are like, this is the smoothest thing I've ever felt. This is the fastest phone alive. The ROG Phone 2 that I used that had 120 hertz display, I could... So the difference between 60 and 90, big difference. I could tell instantly. Difference between 90 and 120, I could kind of sometimes tell the difference. It was certain scrolling, certain UI things, the camera sometimes I could tell. But yeah, I just hope it's above 60. I'll just put it that way. So really open for that. Okay, so that's pretty high. Let's toss reverse

wireless charging on there because I know a lot of phones have sort of been adding this Samsung, Huawei. How do you guys feel about reverse wireless charging? Do you care at all? There's no one that I will sacrifice my iPhone battery life for. But would you be asking me for my battery? Yeah, would you want someone else

to offer it to you? I would never do that to someone. Really? What kind of criminal do you have to be to say, I need your battery? No. Okay, no.

I don't. How many times are you like, I forgot my Mophie. I forgot my charger. Like, hey, just give me your phone for a second. Like, I just need a little. Like, I don't like I got my Mophie. I forgot my charger like you're just give me your phone for a second Like I just need a little like I don't believe as your sister. I do not believe you I just want like borrowing someone's external battery is one thing like because it's their external They don't need it right now, but like siphoning someone's battery directly

Siphoning is a weird term for it Yeah, it's a pretty aggressive thing look I think it's a cool feature and I think it would be great if it was Qi so you could put your airpods on the back like people compare phone to phone wireless charging that's not very efficient but if you have your airpods in your bag

and you're on the plane and they're dead and you just turn it upside down and give them five minutes and you have some headphones for the flight that's kind of convenient. So I'm like a five with this one. I would say like a four. I do like the AirPod comparison. I think that's great.

Yeah, I think AirPods are worth it. Yeah, I like that. I mean, I can see like emergency situations, but like what kind of an emergency is really, you know, you never know. I can just be like, let me use your phone. That's why I carry my Samsung. Yeah, well, it's a great demo feature. It turns heads, feel like, let me use your phone. That's why I carry my Samsung. Yeah. Well, braggy.

It's a great demo feature. It turns heads, but like, I heard the iPhone has the coils for it now. It has the regular wireless charging coils, and it has an additional reverse facing coil, but software didn't turn the feature on. I don't know if that's true or not. I've heard that also. I think it's turned down. I didn't look at the iFixit stuff, but.

Because a lot of the rumors were saying this was going to be the phone that they were going to do it. Well, has anyone tried it? No. Hasn't worked yet. I'm assuming someone's tried it. I think I'd give it a four. Okay.

You have a score? I'm not that worried about it. No? Not too big? One or two? You don't even care. Pretty low. I mean, I'll steal some of your batteries someday.

True. Okay, so another thing I'm hoping for is Touch ID to come back, but in the form of an under-display glass fingerprint reader. Now, Touch ID was already awesome in like the actual button. People hated it when it was gone. There's a rumor of an iPhone SE2 coming out in the first quarter of next year, which is cool. That'll have Touch ID. But how much do you guys care about an under display glass fingerprint reader?

I'm at like a, hmm, I'm going to say I'm at like a five or six with this one. It would be cool, but not a huge deal. I would like it on the Apple logo. I mean, I honestly love the Pixel. It has like the perfect placement. Like I just pick up my phone like this on my Pixel and it, well, you guys can't see it, cause it's audio, but it's like,

I have my phone laying face down. I just pick it up, my finger's already on the fingerprint. And I pick it up and it's just on. So the back of the phone. I really like it. But would Apple ever do that though? Probably not. I mean, I'm okay without the in-display fingerprint reader.

Right, do you have any face ID issues ever? Oh God, I always have issues. I think it's like a me problem. Is it your face? I think it might be my face. I think it's a personal problem. So I wouldn't mind having it. I'd probably give this like a seven or eight

because I like the Touch ID. But I mean, I don't need it. I am accustomed to the Face ID, but there's a lot of times where I'm like, it doesn't recognize me. I have to like rescan my face. I'm like, okay, is this personal? I don't know.

What is the problem? One idea for Touch ID is it would be, because all the ones we see now are just like a small circle under the glass. But we've seen prototypes of other phones where they put it as like the bottom half of the screen. So it's a very, very large sensor under the glass, but you don't have to do as much worrying. You just kind of touch the side of the phone and it wakes up. Yeah.

That would be kind of nice. I don't know if it's too expensive still to do that. Those are really big, expensive sensors. But that's one way to make it more enticing, I think, for me. Yeah. I mean, I'm definitely not that worried about it. But, I mean, I think it would be nice, especially for people that don't want to make it more enticing i think for me yeah i mean i'm definitely not that worried about it but i mean i think it would be nice especially for people that don't want to use face id i mean i know my friend ro she won't even use a fingerprint sensor or face id she only uses a passcode because she's that paranoid thing yes it's incredible wow that's a lot of work it's

a lot of work unless your password's like the kanye password you have to do a lot of typing interesting yeah okay so i don't know uh i'm not that worried about it again not sorry yeah i'm realizing like how many features i'm missing by not having an iphone here i mean there's a lot of android phones getting some of these features right now so that's pretty high up uh i have one more and that is no notch because the iphone's had this big notch for three years in a row now and year year by year, a bunch of surrounding phones seem to slowly chip away at the notch. They go to a hole punch. They go to a small teardrop notch.

They go to a pop-up camera. If you've been using an iPhone for three years, you're super used to the notch. So you might not feel strongly about it. But the second you see a phone that doesn't have a notch, you're like, well, this is pretty different. How do you guys feel about a no-notch iPhone? I'd be excited about it. I think it would would look good especially because i don't ever watch videos in landscape yeah this is in landscape mode yeah so i watch everything in portrait so half of the videos that i watch i'll have like a chunk cut out of the top oh you full screen them and you

get the chunk cut i don't even full screen i watch a video that is like like in the youtube app like in the youtube app and it's extremely small oh wow just turn your phone i don't i turn i have it turned off i don't like when i turn my phone that it automatically turns it drives me insane is there not uh you can lock it and then when you do full screen it it only does that that's what i have mine at it won't turn until i go full screen into a video and then yeah so you can lock rotation and then hit the full screen button and it'll just rotate the video but not any other time and then when you leave full screen, it'll go back to portrait But I never do that. I just watch everything. I agree with you though

I hate when my phone just starts freaking out spinning around. I can't stand it. Yeah What's up So, but this is actually interesting because usually when i'm watching a video I think they may have just done an update for the iOS 13 Usually on this YouTube player. There's a huge notch cut out of it, right? That's definitely a nice is definitely for that different because before I was watching a video and half my head was chopped off So I started even shooting my videos differently so that when I watch them on my phone, it's real It is a real if you're losing part of the video

I think I think by 2020 there will be so many other phones that either don't have a notch or have dramatically shrunk the notch that unless the iPhone's face ID is amazing, they kind of have to shrink the notch. So I'm going to go like eight on this one. It can't be the same size. I think we'll give it a seven. I could definitely do with a smaller one. Definitely smaller.

Yeah. Yeah, at least smaller. Maybe an eight. Okay. What about a pop-up camera? Yeah, at least smaller. Maybe an eight. Okay. What about a pop-up camera? Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Do you want smaller or do you want none? You think there's no chance of no notch for next year?

I don't see Apple doing the motorized pop-up camera. So I see them basically just shrinking the notch to like half the size it is now. The teardrop notch is pretty great, but they obviously have all those other sensors, the IR blaster, the receiver, Touch ID has more needed to do all that. But if there's ways to miniaturize it and put them closer together it could be a notch that's half the size and less annoying it's going to shrink in

horizontally right right maybe a little bit vertically but just it can't be the same do you think there's a chance that looks worse like right now it has the perfect amount of room for just notification so like kind of whereas when it gets smaller, like this dumb pixel notch. Yeah. You got the pixel. You got the XL notch. You got that bathtub notch. Okay.

So would you, I know pixel four. I think this looks worse. And it would be closer to this. Well, then I'll ask you, how do you feel about the pixel four having a, just a forehead instead of a notch?

Is that, that's better, right? I guess it's better than a notch. I still think it looks terrible though. Interesting. I mean, I'll get used to it. I got used to this. Yeah, I'll be fine with it

It still doesn't make me and I like it I just like they definitely wouldn't do the pop-up camera because that would be so much Like room for error and just people being like oops broke it. Yeah, it would break I never heard about the notch and now I can't stop looking at it on my phone. It's like when you notice your yeah Yeah, and I'm like, oh my my gosh now i'm just staring at this notch i'm like oh maybe i changed mine to a nine also yeah recently i just noticed that i can see my nose that's i had a whole conversation about this really where is your tongue in your mouth right now now you're thinking about what your tongue is in your mouth everyone turn the podcast off who's listening right now you're're going to have a miserable car ride.

That's like, okay, I also noticed that recently too. Like as in yoga, she was like, okay, now let your tongue go. I'm like, where's it going to go? That's how you choke. I'm not holding on to it. I'm like, I'm supposed to be in Shavasana and relaxing. I'm like, now I'm thinking about my tongue. Jeez.

Yeah, no, I think that notch, we've gotten so calibrated to it and so used to it. So it sort of makes sense to just leave it there, but I I would love I'm with you I want it to be smaller. Yeah, because now I really can't stop looking at it. I don't know how I'm gonna survive So thanks. Thanks for that. Yeah. All right. Well, there's our there's our little rundown of iPhone 2020 features I'm sure the rumors and leaks will continue to pour in over the next 11 months while we wait for it I mean design was leaked in like january yeah no we're gonna see it it's way early yeah yeah do you hate that that we see them like way before they come out and the surprise is gone i mean like not really because i think they

at least had a little surprise like the midnight green completely a surprise didn't know uh i don't know i mean i do kind of miss the days of we were like oh because you remember the days of like what on earth are they going to announce? A new iPhone with that design? I've never seen that before. Like really novel stuff that just doesn't seem to happen very much. It's just too hard. I mean, I think with the way that information travels and the way that you have to get these

in mass production to actually get them out on time so people can have them, it really is impossible. You got to pull Microsoft and just announce it a year before it comes out. That was pretty great. I will say I was pretty excited. And I loved the demonstration that they did. They showed sort of like the brain activity of your brain when you're using two screens.

Because I do feel that frustration when I'm using my phone or something. I'm like, I just throw it aside. And I'm like, I gotta go to my computer because I need more space. I've been a multi-monitor, I've said this before, a multi-monitor person forever until the iMac Pro. And every single day I use the iMac Pro, I am ready for dual screens again.

So when that Pro Display XDR and the Mac Pro come out, I will be back on that gladly. I do miss that because I used to do the dual screens too. But then I traveled so much that it was just like I need to get back to just using my MacBook. And then I miss, you know, I just have to, that's what I have, that's what I got to do. Yeah. All right. Well, you know, I just have to, that's what I have, that's what I gotta do. Yeah. All right. Well, this has been good. I like that we have a lot to look forward to

with the new iPhone, but generally pretty good, you know, rating system. We have all our expectations set out. So that's been good. Thank you guys for being on the podcast and for having that chat with us. Yeah. And if you haven't checked out Justine's video,

we did a little talk about, again, like I said, iPhone 11. We've been using it for a couple of weeks and running them down all this stuff. And of course it's Techtober, so there's a ton of stuff coming out anyway. So enjoy that. Thanks for listening.

Thank you so much for listening. That was another fun one. Thank you, Justine and Jenna, for joining us today. It was a little hectic. We had some dogs barking in the background. It was our first time having four people. If you want to give us a download or a follow on Spotify or Apple Podcasts, Thank you.