Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Googler I/O: Pixel Fold and Google AI

Episode Date: May 12, 2023

Live from Google I/O, it's Waveform! Okay, so it's not really live. But we did race right back to the hotel room after Google I/O to discuss all of the AI news and gadgets while it was still fresh. First, Marques, Andrew, and David talk about some of the more impressive AI news that Google announced before digging into the newly announced Pixel 7a, Pixel Fold, and Pixel Tablet. Enjoy! Links: Google I/O: https://bit.ly/googleio2023 Pixel 7a review: https://bit.ly/pixel7amkbhd Pixel Fold impressions: https://bit.ly/pixelfoldmkbhd Pixel Tablet impressions: https://bit.ly/pixeltabletmkbhd Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Twitters: Waveform: https://twitter.com/wvfrm Marques: https://twitter.com/mkbhd Andrew: https://twitter.com/andymanganelli David: https://twitter.com/DurvidImel Adam: https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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talk about all the news. Where do we start? Well, Final Cut is on the iPad. Final Cut is on the iPad. I missed that today. I missed it right before the day before Google I.O. Yeah, two days before maybe?

It felt kind of like trolling. It was on purpose. It had to have been on purpose. i think that actually the sentiment from that was like number one finally but number two wwdc must be pretty packed yeah to like move some stuff out of it i was surprised that they didn't drop it during the io keynote to take away a bunch of it would have been too obvious maybe i mean i don't know companies do that to each other all the time we've seen it we've seen it. We've seen it. But yeah, no, we got a lot of Google stuff to get to. We do.

Yeah, we have a ton of AI. Like you said, there's stuff that got announced. But I have one question I want to pose to everyone in this room. Oh, no. About IO. And I think it's the most important question. Are the birds real? Are they?

The birds? Like, in that theater, there's so many birds chirping and you see one or two but it feels yeah there's like a hawk screaming at someone i think it's fake it so it is an amphitheater yeah we're outside so any noise that happens just gets amplified there's too many it was loud it was loud does yeah i think so you think they're all real you think every bird trip is real you still believe in birds real fake i think they were i really liked 50 50 hybrid the eagle screaming i thought was really cool true i think adam found the hawk like you know it's like dead tree like sway you know the song blackbird by the beatles i'm going to say yes just so I don't get roasted in the comments.

They pump in sounds of birds chirping and I played that in the car the other day to someone who didn't know the song and they started looking around. I was like, what are you doing? He was like, where are those bird sounds coming from? I was like, it's in the song. Maybe they were doing that in the Empire too. I think it's a little both.

If you set this up, tell us about the fake birds. We did have a lot of things happening but let's just i kind of want to start with the should we start hardware or software there's so much to talk about software they started software to make sure everyone listens to the whole podcast okay okay fair because we did we did make videos covering some of the hardware and that's out but let's start with some of the software stuff, because it's actually a little bit more fascinating what's going on. We knew that there would be AI talk. Like, when ChatGPT took over for the year, and BARD came out and was behind, and all these narratives started coming out that Google was a little bit slacking in the AI department,

we kind of knew that Google would have to make a statement about AI. They made many, many statements about AI. And I kind of feel like the theme of previous IOs to me was always like, yeah, we're an AI company and we have lots of AI research projects. But that's just what they are. It's just research projects. And they'll get kind of spoon fed a little bit into the products we give to you, but not really. Yeah. of spoon fed a little bit into the products we give to you, but not really. Yeah. And so there'd be cool stuff that we'd see like these crazy AI features and like chatbot demos even demoed on

stage at Google IO and then they'd never come out. And so this IO felt like now we're going to take all of that stuff. Turns out you guys wanted it. So we're putting it into products that you actually use and you'll interface with AI all over the place throughout all Google software products. that you actually use and you'll interface with AI all over the place throughout all Google software products. So that was really cool to see. Big red alert mode. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I mean, the top three that were sort of

like kicking off the event was Gmail, Google Maps, Google Photos. So Gmail literally has a feature now called Help Me Write. Not now, I think it's coming soon, but these are all things that are coming to things we use where you literally hit a button and fill out a little prompt and it just drops an email draft into your like outbox and you can just edit it or send it as it is just write an email for you yeah sick that's what we've been using it for anyway but everyone uses gmail so

now instead of using chat gpt to write email and copy and paste it it's just whatever google can do with their new large language model. Boom. I think one thing I really liked about that Gmail example they used. So the example they used was you were on a flight. It got canceled. Please write an email for me to get the voucher to get refunded for this. And it can use references to other things, whether it's confirmation numbers inside of your email to like i need a refund or a voucher for x flight number yeah and it's pulling that into it

you can also have it elaborate to make it more convincing or less convincing yeah i think the example they used was like a voucher is what you normally get but i think that i should have a full refund on this so like make me explain or like make it explain or try and convince these people to give me a little extra yep on there yeah so that was like right off the bat it'll write emails for you ai boom okay great another one was google maps um there were some interesting features like a immersive route preview in certain cities which was sort of going doing this overhead view of mapping out where you're going to drive with AI that can tell you what the weather is going to be at that hour and sort of

like previewing it. It's not really AI. Yeah. We were talking, cause Andrew and I sat next to each other and we were talking about this in the booth, but this is what, you know how like a couple of years ago,

everyone would just say that everything was AI powered all the time. I mean, they still do that. They still do. They still do that. But now it actually has some meaning in the, all the time. I mean, they still do that. They still do that, but now it actually has some meaning. In the past, it was like, this is automated in some way or something like that.

The maps feature, I didn't really understand where there was actual AI happening. Yeah, it is funny. David and I sat next to each other. You were in a different booth. So I'm now realizing a lot of this conversation David and I probably had already.

And now I'm interested in what you think, but I'm glad realizing a lot of this conversation David and I had already. And now I'm interested in what you think. But I'm glad you said that. Yeah, no, I think because it's AI everywhere, we expect everything to be AI. But now that I think about it, that maps feature was just like a cool maps feature. It was just a cool map. It was.

I don't want to take away from it. That was really cool. It was very cool. It basically was like, it showed an example. I think it's coming to 15 cities of if you took like a bike bike path down by the water it would do this cool like 3d almost bird's eye like bird's eye like overview go through it and show cars moving and show cars i'm assuming that's what the ai is like it's like the traffic data

it's like this is traffic is heavy so add more cars yeah and then weather is cloudy or rainy it made it look rainy still a stretch it's It's a stretch, I think, for AI. It's basically like using the most minimal data points to like put it into a visual representation. I think that they're kind of just doing that to compete with Apple Maps because Apple Maps dropped the super immersive city thing like last year.

I was wondering if people actually use that. I guess it was enough for Google to decide to work on it. It's enough cities. I mean, the Google maps team needs something to do i guess right there when i thought of it i was like this is really cool this is a really cool demo people are gonna see this freak out about it show it to their friends and then just plan their route any other any normal way right you're just adding to the core feature but yeah it's that's coming to 15 cities by the end of the year which is very cool if we can show it on screen if you're watching i guess the only one we know about we can assume new york city just because that's a new york example and san francisco okay so that's gmail that's google maps google photos

one though this is where it starts to get into the crazy like real quick like five minutes into the keynote yeah so right off the bat we've seen magic eraser which is there's something in the background you kind of circle it and it will just nuke it from the background of your photo and use ai to fill in what was supposed to be there that's cool and it works on the pixel and google photos there's this new additional version of it now which is going to be called magic editor yeah which will do way more smart selective ai edits and they're powerful enough that i literally just tweeted what is a photo in the middle of yeah i was like what is happening so they had a photo of like a kid sitting on a bench and they're

like oh you wanted him to be closer to the middle of the photo just highlight the kid on the bench and slide him over yeah he's got balloons we'll just make more balloons to fill in where he was because that was cool because the balloons were slightly off frame yeah and they were like we want it to be fully in frame in the center so he just slides the kid on the bench and the balloons over just draws the rest of the balloon and it makes the bench longer that's pretty cool photoshop has had this feature for a while called content to works expand i believe but this is like it looked better and a lot faster this is just a ui to me it's like yes we've had content or fill content or expand but you have to know

how to use it in photoshop right where using this on your phone in google photos is gonna be people going select drag done yeah and that sort of powerful ui where it actually works well is the difference which is why i think it's so cool uh-huh uh there's also a thing about like change oh the sky is cloudy but we want it to look sunny all right just select the sky all right it's sunny now yeah just like oh we want it to be lit better let's just like just make it all like look nice we'll take a backpack off all this stuff the ultimate what is a photo like i know google has been really pushing trying to get people to edit in google photos more and that's why they always release these ml features on pixels first and then eventually it's not just

on it's not on your phone at all it's in google photos and then they do it on the server side yeah they do all that processing on the tensor processors in their data centers and not actually on your phone so yeah it's it's getting kind of crazy um they like completely changed some of the pictures that they took yeah the one they were talking about it was a woman in front of a waterfall yeah and i think it was like first it was cloudy let's make it let's brighten it up she was wearing a shoulder strap let's take away the shoulder strap she had her hand out to look like the water was falling on her hand but she was out of the way so she moved it over a little bit i i turned to david i was like the next thing they're just gonna say she was in her living room and the

waterfall is like completely fake in the background they did so many changes to it and it's it's really awesome the way i think about it is like you try and teach significant others or like family members who don't take photos how to frame things properly now they can take that garbage photo and i can fix every single part of it and make it look framed correctly they'll think you're a god yeah yeah it's crazy yeah i how do they not do fences yet i know the chain link fence i needed a reference to that and they didn't deliver it's like years old yeah when we review this i think that needs to be our first test subject is just draw over every single link in the chain the thing the problem is that like that's most of the image right like i can see how that was a hard technical

problem and they first announced that in like 2017 or 2018 yeah i think it was 2017 that i think it was it was one of the ones i was at which was 17 or 18 and they just scrapped it yeah the thing is is it's most of the image but they're little tiny lines like if you can replicate four brand new balloons you can take a little line out of something they had a really cool animation when they were doing content where expand where everything turned into like magical confetti pixels i highly doubt that will be in the actual production my friends said that the ui is subject to change and i think that they're just saying it's probably not gonna look this amazing it's just gonna like highlight and disappear and reappear probably yeah that looked

really cool though it did it looked like conception basically yeah yeah the one thing i was interested about that though is all of it is based on drawing out the thing you want fixed correct they didn't do a great job of explaining that but so in that sense if i'm going to draw out the sky how does it know i want clearer sky or sunnier or like is it just making that assumption that might be missing ui too i assume you highlight the sky and instead of it just going oh you want enhanced sky it's sunny now i think there should be a little dialogue yeah like you do there should which could lead to some really cool things think about like luminar ai like that's why yeah yeah i want a rocket ship going through the sky in the background like yeah well the object detection i mean is getting really

good kind of like how in ios you have the built-in touch and hold and it selects the object that's basically what they're doing in here too in just a way more useful manner yeah than just dragging a cutout just like that was cool but this is more useful yeah for sure because apple's was always like copy it on your phone open it in photoshop on your computer but i was like what if you just edit it on your phone instead of having to copy it over i guess they don't have they don't have the content aware fill aspect of it because they're just right cutting out they probably will but i'm sure at wwdc they're gonna just go now we fill in the background you can just remove things from your photo we We call it dynamic eraser.

It's going to happen. Dynamic eraser. So I'm calling that magic. I can't magic is such an Apple word, but yeah, they'll call it something like Google already took it. Yeah. Okay. I want to talk about something crazy that I really enjoyed, which is called Project Tailwind. And we think of it as an AI first notebook that helps you learn faster.

How it works is you can simply pick the files from Google Drive and it effectively creates a personalized and private AI model that has expertise in the information that you give it. Basically, there's all these different large language models that we use and interact with with things like BARD. But let's say you wanted to train this AI model on your own documents and things that you know, and then it could help you create new things or study things based on your own documents. And they went through this whole demo of like, let's say you're a student and you've got your notes typed out in google docs you train the model on your notes and then it'll just summarize the notes for you create a study

guide for you help quiz you on the topics i'm like if i had this when i was in college i would have been significantly more productive because studying was not my forte and this would have been fire oh yeah your brain plaster would have just been like firing on all cylinders yeah my concern we were talking about this a little bit so you're training it you're basically creating your own little transformer model right own training data set i think the model's still the same but it's trained on yeah it's trained on your own personal stuff but the way that generative ai still works is still just predictive words right so my concern and i want to see this in action and i think this is why it's in the labs feature right now still but i want to see like if

you create a study guide for yourself what if it just starts lying because you know how generative ai just like lies all the time what if it just strings together incorrect facts and then if you're creating like a flashcard system or a study guide system you're just learning bad data i also wonder like is there x amount of data input you need to put in it before because i feel like less data input has more of a chance of attempting to fill in the blanks yeah their their thing had like 10 weeks of notes basically which is a decent amount of of data and i'm also interested in terms of notes like you to write stuff and take a lot of notes for a while but

if it were to pull the notes from this google i know right now and attempt to make real words out of this horrible spelling and punctuation like sloppy i feel like it could but that seems like a potential issue and like i'm not fact checking all of my notes as if i'm in class i'm just taking them down as fast as possible the professor's going crazy i could spell things autocorrect could change the wrong word now that's the incorrect facts now i'm getting the incorrect now it's crazy yeah because i didn't just reread and make and be like oh that doesn't sound right yeah uh yeah but i think that's a lot that's the crux behind a lot of these features is in my head it's working perfectly so it's amazing but i think that's a lot that's the crux behind a lot of these features is

in my head it's working perfectly so it's amazing but i think in real life they're very complicated and that's why they're still in labs because there's lots of ways that they can go wrong yeah but if it works then it's amazing that's why it's called tailwind because there's a tailwind behind you because you're flying through your learning i believe you i believe you that's my guess yeah i'm just confused if like what if i have the same fact twice in my notes and they're and one of them's like wrong which one does it pick there's a lot of what it's making a decision for you yeah that's the weird it's interesting because they're generally not just grabbing chunks of text and replacing it usually it's still generating like token by token this is

what the word is going to be this is what we were talking about with the ai video before right which is it is just going word by word and predicting the next thing and it doesn't have this like built-in sentiment analysis or fact checker it doesn't know what it's saying or what to do about what it's saying right like there's a lot of cool bard features they talked about which is like give me a summary of these schools okay make them a table oh add a column to this table with prices and you can it'll do all these things because it knows what a column is and it knows what all these things those aren't fact oriented but they're not like fact check like if you functions like the data in the chart might be wrong you're right and it might always be wrong i do think and like we'll talk

about that stuff that you just said later but previously when they were talking about ai and gmail like write my email and everything when they were talking about it here when they're talking about it later they were very specifically saying like like this is your starting point i think they said that probably like a hundred times like this is a great place for you to start yeah and i think that's their quick way of saying like please don't just send this right away like this is helping you this is a tool the problem is if they're making tools that make it so you don't really have to look at things like emails that you're like uh write a long email because i don't want to write a long email like reading and and proofing a long email takes almost as

much effort as it does to write the email i would disagree i think i would rather have it write the email and they proof it mentally i guess it takes the mental weight off of it feels like super and i i like wrote this down in my notes later especially when we get into google workspaces but like super personalized templates yeah like like super hyperspecific templates to what you need. And like, that's awesome. Because how many times have people looked for a resume template?

But what if you could say, write me a resume, I'm looking for a development job. Tailored for. Yeah, and it could like tailor, be hyper-specific. And then when you can do that with like super specific things that might just be day-to-day life aspects, like that's really cool. What I would love, and they didn't mention this specifically, super specific things that might just be day-to-day life aspects like that's really cool what i would

love and they didn't mention this specifically is if the generated say uh emails through your gmail if it scraped the emails that you've already sent and it wrote it in your voice that would be even better because like the examples that they showed off were super super corporate but i'm pretty sure i would be able to read an email from someone that felt really corporate and just be like but if i was able to generate one that was like in the voice that I always send emails in, I think that would be like 90% exclamation marks for me. I need to talk it down a little bit. No, I capitalize.

I just am too excited about everything. I say LMAO and put emojis in my, uh, in my corporate email. So the email app that I use now, which is super useful, it's called Superhuman, has a snippet feature, which there's a whole bunch of snippets that I've made because I get asked for the studio shipping address all the time. Oh yeah.

So I Command K, snippet, insert, and I type out, it types out this whole thing. The studio shipping address is blah, blah, blah. The phone number for shipping is blah, blah, blah. And it's got this whole thing. So I don't have to type it every time. And Google's been good at auto-filling of that stuff in gmail if you use gmail but it's just like next level for me to go ah i've had conversations with this person before the the language model is going

to read those conversations and just pick up the conversation where it left off and like finish booking this hotel or canceling or asking for a refund it's just gonna just do the work for me and that kind of moves us into the plugins feature yeah that they have for bard yeah so i got a lot of improvements yeah a huge thing that got announced by chat gpt um a couple of months ago was chat gpt plugins where basically you could start things in chat gpt and then you'd be like hey i want to order a pizza and it'd be like domino's plug-in and then all of a sudden a pizza gets ordered for you through chat gpt now there's going to be all these plug-ins for bard and they already announced like 30 plus

partners and that just feels really powerful um the confusing kind of thing is that bard is still just like a quote-unquote ai experiment from Google. And I feel like most people are going to be interfacing with most Google products within Google Search itself or like a Google app. And having BARD be like this separate kind of platform that you use instead of being your main way that you interact with Google services feels kind of strange. So it was interesting the way they framed it. And I found it kind of fascinating

where they would talk about each one of these tools and they'd frame it each time. And so when they talked about Google search, they talked about how they're going to add AI generated things at the top of search. And then with each application of AI, they would say with this type of AI, we can do this. And with Bard, they said with a chat,

like a chat experience of AI you can do this so it just felt like bard was siloed off into here's the chat ai if you want that here's the other ai and so you have to go find bard to use bard features but they're also going to build in a lot of stuff into google.com search this is the interesting thing for me is i feel like at this point in time or at least when bard is a little bit better you know how the default landing page for like chrome is just google.com like you open a new tab you've got a new google window i think they should make every time you open a new window a new tab it's bard because you're starting from like this links out to everything else you do it links out to all your other google services it can write an email for you that you can import into google into gmail it can import stuff into docs

it's basically like a nexus it feels like the most functional thing right yeah it's a nexus that goes out to all the other things that you want to do yeah so using bard as like their core nexus and then like linking out seems a lot better than starting with google search which has a very specialized function and can maybe important to other services, but is not nearly as powerful as Bard. I agree. I mean, you said you,

you open up Chrome and you're like, Oh, I'm opening this up. Cause I'm planning a trip and you type into Bard, I'm planning a trip. And now it's bringing up Expedia and united.com and like literally laying out your tabs for you to have the most efficient work that could be really cool yeah it's just weird that they still kind of consider bard to be like

oh it's an experimental siloed feature over here but still but now it's like the most powerful product they have yeah they did open up the wait list yeah so anyone can use it or anyone in however 200 countries or whatever as long as you speak english japanese or korean yeah and 40 other languages yeah soon interesting okay and yeah it is now powered by their new palm 2 model yeah right there's a new large language model that is more advanced and there's yeah there's a ton of other features like it'll bring up images now it will use the plugin to i think it's called adobe firefly to generate images with that i was confused by that because like firefly is one of the plugins but they have their own image generation product. So I think that was just I bet I would bet you that Adobe paid them for that to like show off the plugin because they have their own image generation product.

Yeah, I can't believe they wouldn't use their own. Yeah, that was a little confusing. The kind of cool thing that I thought was interesting is that they have Palm 2, right? And Palm 2 is like it's like Lambda. It's was interesting is that they have palm 2 right and palm 2 is like it's like lambda it's their big model that they have yep they have different scaled versions of palm 2 and they name them different things so they've got gecko otter bison and unicorn and those are basically like how big the size of the model is yeah gecko can fit on a device right that's pretty fire oh yeah that's gonna be tensor based bison's bigger than a unicorn this is true.

That's a fact. They asked Bard what the sizes were and it just got it wrong. Technically a gecko is bigger than a unicorn. A gecko is bigger than a unicorn. How? They're not real.

Have some imagination. I think my geckos weren't real. I was like, where are we living right now uh true maybe it was like how magical the animal is you know probably so unicorn is probably just opening the door for a bunch of other future stuff yeah they're just saying unicorns are like the best yeah well okay there's one more i just want to say one more thing before we get to the ad break which is there was a really long boring but important section in the middle of which was just talking about

responsible AI, which doesn't get all the hype and the flowers of like the new pixels and stuff like that. But it mentions the fact that like, okay, we're generating all this stuff, these images that are more and more realistic with AI, we need a way to know if it's AI or not, there should be one either watermarks or two metadata from everything we create so that it's AI or not, there should be one, either watermarks or two, metadata from everything we create so that it's easily tagged or identifiable as created by AI. I agree with all that. I don't know how well it applies to the way bad actors will use the products, but I think it's a good thing to be thinking about as this stuff moves forward. There was one other thing that they mentioned later as well, where I believe if you were creating AI generated images and they were

showing up in Google search, there's like literally a tag at the bottom. A lot of times it'll be like image shutterstock. Like there would be an AI generated tag right there because this is becoming so realistic. And, and besides watermark metadata is hard to be like, it's hard because it doesn't show a lot of people are looking at metadata,

but it can be stripped and they didn't show the watermark that was gonna be they were they're like de facto watermark was the little bard logo star yeah the little star which is their just general ai logo now so to me that that little by the link that you would click for that that feels almost like the most prominent way of showing that was the most useful because i think that'll show up the most i just think like when you see like the pope image go viral on twitter like there is no watermark there's no metadata yeah it has to be uncovered especially imagine a bad actor where it's not necessarily a joke funny tweet in two minutes it's a guy like trying to convince people it's real yeah they will strip the metadata and there

will be no water it's so easy to strip metadata like that was my thought process there there are quite a few companies that are like trying to figure out how to embed like seek like secret metadata or watermarks that you can't even see into images that can be like what i'm realizing i can't like whisper into the mic because you don't have headphones on and no one can. No. No, but, yeah, there's companies that are trying to do that, but I still see it being very difficult. Because, like, honestly, if I take a screenshot, that wipes all the metadata. If I bring it into Photoshop and export without metadata, that wipes all the metadata.

So unless they're figuring out a way to include metadata that isn't the traditional form of having metadata in an image or a watermark like if it has a watermark in the little bottom right corner you just crop it by three percent that's the problem the watermark either is easily taken out or it's invisible it's well or it's too big that it ruins the picture and then like the people who are actually trying to use this for a tool in good faith it's ruined because it has it has to span the entire image they have invisible watermarks now i just feel like it would be so easy to just take a screenshot or you just have to like change the file basically yeah i kind of imagine like you create something with bard or some image uh creator tool and it has this little invisible watermark let's say and then it goes viral on Twitter and anyone who uses a tool to analyze the image

will go, oh, because of this tool, we know that it's created by BARD because it left the invisible watermark. And that's great for people who use BARD. If you're not using BARD, that still needs to be thought about everywhere. It would have to be integrated into Twitter where it would automatically say AI-generated image because it scrapes the metadata of every image that's uploaded

but there are no engineers left at twitter so that's never going to happen there's a whole ecosystem that has to be built around yeah but yeah no that's all there i think we'll take a quick break we will come back we have a lot more to talk about but you know we did bring with us to the hotel and we can't even hear the music because we don't have headphones on. But we brought our trivia board. So it's time for trivia. I'm just going to pretend I hear it. Yeah, you guys can hear it. But trust me, it's awesome.

All right. First question for Google I.O. Trivia. This is brought to you by Ellis. So this question is brought to you by a great trivia suggestion that Ellis lost. But you know who you are. I don't know who that is. What is that? I don't know who that is. I don't know who that is. Probably got tweeted at us.

Google DeepMind has been brought in and out of Google several times over the past decade. But today at I.O., it was announced that Google's parent company, Alphabet, will be merging DeepMind with what Google subsidiary? Oh, I already knew this. I just saw this on stage

and I forgot. I thought this was a previous question, but maybe not. No, they just announced it today. Oh, okay. Yeah, I remember the DeepMind thing going on stage. And then the thing that came after, which is the answer to the trivia question, I completely forgot. Yeah, cool. I don't remember any of it. This is either a free point for me or I'm really dumb.

And you're just blacked out. either a free point for me or i'm really dumb and you're just blacked out well we'll get to these of course after the episode or at the end of the episode so until then wait before we leave can i just say something no yeah yeah old mcsundar had a show ai ai io and we're not coming back. That was it. That was it. all season long. From puck drop to the final shot, you're always taken care of with a sportsbook born in Vegas. That's a feeling you can only get with BetMGM. And no matter your team, your favorite skater, or your style,

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And is nobody going to write content anymore because you're just scraping all this content and using it for Bing search? Everyone's been wondering, when is Google going to do that? And what's it going to look like? Because I think the theme for all this generative AI stuff is Microsoft's just dumping stuff into the world and then live patching stuff. Whereas Google's trying to be a little more careful because they have a lot to lose and nothing to gain. Whereas Microsoft has everything to gain and nothing to lose. Like we said in our video about AI that we've done 20 of them now. I don't know which one it was. our video about AI that we've done 20 of them now. I don't know which one it was. Yeah. But basically, Google released its version of the its generative AI search today. Yeah. Right at the top.

Yeah, right at the top. It's pretty interesting how it works. It's not too dissimilar to Bing, you ask a question into Google search, and then it writes a generative AI answer. It shows three very prominent links with header images from those links. They said something like, we know humans and humans always want to look deeper. So they're definitely going to read the articles. And I was like, press X to doubt.

Because that doesn't, I feel like a lot of people are just going to search that and then are just going to run away and never come back. But I think one thing that they're trying to do to counteract that is they are doing a thing where they show a lot more human input from the internet now so instead of just scrape scraping like really big main websites and taking that information they had this feature before where they showed like it's called like conversations or something like people talking about that topic all over the internet sort of like how you put reddit at the end of a search so you can see actual humans talking about it instead of someone

who wrote for an seo optimized web page yep um but yeah effectively it's just like it's written by effectively a bard or chat gpt and then you've got all these links on the side it does have material you theming which i found very pretty which is based on a lot of the sites so if you search like what's a better family trip with a with kids and a dog is it bryce canyon or arches national park and then it comes up with this material you themed kind of green because of the national park stuff i don't know it's kind of interesting looking i'm still a little bit worried that websites are not going to get nearly they're not traffic yeah anyway and it can include photos like in there as well so because you could say like um i think their example was like what's the best sightseeing in x place and i'll show photos of that so like if it's showing what people are saying about it photos of it and the

why would you ever why would you ever click what i need closing my tab now yeah yeah it's just kind of interesting how they focus so much on um like using ai responsibly they did not really mention about how this is just going to kill website yeah and potentially kill websites that it's taking the data from like you'd think that if they were going to be slower about this than Microsoft, they would take this more into account because Microsoft got a lot of flock for that. It doesn't seem like they really are. They have some other features, like there is a follow-up button

where it generates potential follow-up questions that you have and it'll add it to the search and you can just keep going. And they have a thumbs up and a thumbs down button unlike youtube uh so they're clearly not talking to the youtube team about that but they'll take that away soon before we hurt bard's feelings yeah but search looks a little different now right now again this ai generated search thing is a experimental labs feature as well basically everything that we're going to talk about today with the ai stuff is a labs feature you can go to g.co slash labs to like sign up to try everything but everything is in beta right now sign up for everything yeah you have to sign up for everything so at least at least they're like

seeing how it plays out in the real world before they just unleash it into the world but yeah yeah do you guys have thoughts on i feel like it's not that different from our bing conversation because it is effectively the same thing i think very similar there there are some like cool things like adding images and stuff like i still think it's really neat i think it's just like ultimately again it's searching but just being it's it's like the joke we've always everyone makes of like google search is so good at typing in the most random thing and it knowing what you're talking about and now it can just be ultra specific about that rather than yeah if you were looking for Bryce Canyon and what was the other one like Canyonlands arches and arches and you were trying to figure out if you can bring kids bring a dog if it's easily accessible you

would have two separate searches for both the national parks going into and then finding the specific things now it's just telling you all right there i also just am very curious about the accuracy again because the it's like using generative ai for things that are just more creative doesn't really matter but when you're doing search and google's entire ethos is we're going to give you information we're going to be accurate about that information. I didn't really hear a lot in the keynote about them saying we take accuracy really seriously and this is going to be specifically scraped or whatever from the

websites. That kind of concerns me. I'm very interested to try it. I want to try to break it and see how easy it is to break. You won't be alone. I don't have specific thoughts but i that did remind me of a story that i'll try to tell really quickly i was at the studio the other day and i had this memory of something i wanted to reference of something that i saw on a talk show

that was like a robot of like a pink robot thing that i saw once and i was like i can't remember what it is and i started googling and looking on YouTube of like pink robot talk show, uh, clown robot pink. And I was like putting in every combination of search things and I could not find it. I must've put in 30 different Google searches. I couldn't find it on Reddit. Couldn't find it on YouTube. And then John said, have you tried asking chat GPT? And then I opened up chat GPT and I asked it and it instantly answered a full sentence with the name of the thing, which I then went to YouTube and searched and found.

What is it? It's called Mr. Blobby. It's really stupid. Don't ask me why I was like. Oh, my God. Yeah. Holy crap. This is terrifying.

Was this on John Oliver? Yeah. No, it was on a different. See, that was the thing. I think I remember what show it was on. I think they've shown this in John Oliver? Yeah. No, it was on a different. See, that was the thing. I couldn't remember what show it was on. I think they've shown this in John Oliver before. I was looking on like UK talk show. Oh, no.

Yeah, it was tough to find. But ChatGPT immediately found it. And that just had me thinking the whole time of like, yeah, I'm going to use Bard for a lot of stuff. What did you put into ChatGPT? Because something, a conversation we had prior was like, we think in SEO now. I asked it in natural language what was the name of the pink robot on that uk talk show that just came like and it just was like oh you mean you're talking about mr blobby right and it gave me the history and episode and the host and everything

and searching in seo didn't really work did not yeah could not find it it was really weird but it worked perfectly and it was impossible with google or youtube wow very strange interesting yeah for the listeners seo's search engine optimization which is basically i think everyone i hope everyone knows people probably don't when you work in publishing you do but a lot of people don't always know what i see in there so anyway wow that's crazy yeah the power of natural language i do have one more thing about search but it's more just because there was a point in the way they ended the search conversation that made me feel bad and i didn't like it and they were going through a whole example of how search and shopping through bard can be uh like put together and essentially they're to go really quick through their example

it's like i want a bike i want an e-bike it needs to go this far it needs to be this color so that obviously can answer all those questions and then go one step further where after you make that bike purchase, you can start thinking about where you want to ride the bike, how if you want to make your, what the name for your bike gang.

But then they mentioned this thing at the end. It's like, craft me a social media post about me buying my new bike. And I hated it so much and i just like immediately was thinking of like like the hey google it's my my kids first day at school write me a facebook post about how proud i am yeah just like are we at this weird point we talk about like void of emotion like are the social are the twitter the tweets i'm gonna read are the skeets on blue sky gonna be like written by bard like where i don't know that that part made me sad every single time we see a feature

like this it just reminds me of linkedin because linkedin's been doing this for years where if someone gets a new job on linkedin there'll be a button it'll be like congratulate marquez on the new job and there'll be a button that says congratulations marquez i'm so proud of you you tap the button and it posts a comment that says exactly that and that just feels so devoid of any emotion it's like you know how we're writing emails now and we're using like ai to generate longer emails and then when it gets to me i'm like i ain't reading that summarize that for me and it's like what are we doing i was gonna say like that they the examples they give got closer and closer to being personal and with emotion but never crossed the line right oh i would like a refund on my flight like a very functional email yeah or like oh i need to

explain something to someone so write this explainer based on this data very functional but they would always like get right up to the line but never cross over just like oh my friend like you know is like really feeling sad like cheer him up and like write an email for me and it would just it could do that too but google never went there but you know people are gonna go the social the social post i think is what felt like crossing that line it's like right on the line because i could see a social post about buying a bike is not super emotional and just like i don't remember the name of the bike, but I just want to tell my bike friends on Twitter.

You just bought it. I know, but you're making the post because you literally just purchased it. I think that's crossing the line. It's a little over. It's a little over. But yeah, they were smart about never crossing it. It's just weird to have AI write social posts.

Because then you're just reading robot text. Is it a social person like is that even social yeah what are we doing i don't know i can't wait till my bar drops to your bar on twitter later the internet is just like firing in all cylinders and we're just like just robots just humans drooling and the robots talking to each other yeah we're outsourcing our minds yeah anyway do you want to get to products oh yeah i think let's just go let's get right to products all right i want to talk about let's start with the pixel 7a that was the first one that was the most straightforward one we have

a review up on it now if you want to watch that get my succinct seven minute thoughts on this product but here's an extended yeah not really it happened to be seven minutes but it is the 7a okay anyway the in the weeds version is now uh this is a 499 android phone it is a pixel uh so it has the advantages of being a pixel but it is 50 more expensive than last year so number one is okay what's new about this phone uh the pixel 6a was quite good for $449. This one has a 90 hertz display now, has new cameras, and has wireless charging. And so the price goes up a little bit, and you're like, wow, this is a pretty good phone for $499. But it also has the same Tensor G2 and 8 gigs of RAM and 128 gigs of storage as the Pixel 7 that's six months old,

which you can also get right now pretty easily for also $499. And so that became a little bit more weird. So Google's making this whole lineup of Pixels now. We'll get to the Pixel Fold in a second, but you can buy a phone anywhere now between 350 which is where the pixel 6a stays in the lineup and 1 800 which is the starting price of the pixel fold yeah and somewhere all the way in the middle is well you could get a pixel 7 or a 7a for right around 500 bucks which one should you get 7 99 times out of 100 i'm gonna say get the 7 even though it's older it's the same spec it's gonna get software updates for just about as long. It also has faster wireless charging. It also feels a little bit smoother at 90 hertz for whatever reason.

It's also 90 hertz out of the box, although the 7A is 60 hertz out of the box for some reason. Roughly the same battery life. Yeah, you have to turn it on. Smooth display or something. But yeah, it's made of real glass instead of plastic like the 7A. Girl glass Victus on the screen instead of girl glass 3. Exactly. So there's just a whole bunch of little things that add up to a better phone at the same price so i would recommend getting the pixel 7 for the same price but the 7a exists now it will probably also drop in price right later um thoughts on the 7a new colors too the colors

corral corral corrals are land exclusive okay uh it's really really good looking they didn't send it to like any press for some reason no i saw some on youtube oh you did yeah oh we didn't have it yeah i was really jealous we got the blue and the black blue looks okay i like the blue yeah yeah the blue is good um a lot of the reviews called it like a pixel 7 by any other name or like i'm seeing double because again they're basically the same phone i think that they are basically the same phone except in every little way that they're not which is the gorilla glass 3 instead of gorilla glass victus it's the fact that there's they're basically the same size the 7 and the 7a except there's a little bit more of a chin on the display

of the 7a so the screen is technically smaller it's a 6.1 instead of 6.3 i think yep um the wireless charging 7.5 watts doesn't isn't that helpful i think you said in your review that like you can put it on your wireless charger in your car and it doesn't lose battery but it doesn't really gain i gained one percent in 45 minutes yeah not because i was like high brightness navigation not great a whole bunch It's 18 watt wired charging instead of the 30 watt, which I think is more like 25 wired charging of the Pixel 7. The camera sensor is way better than it was on the 6a because it's how much? 40% bigger? We can talk about that.

Yeah. It's 72% bigger. 72% bigger. So the 6a had the tried and true 12 megapixel IMX363 that like every pixel for years had. And so that was kind of like a safe thing. This was a new, brand new sensor in the 7A. It's a 64 megapixel sensor. Yeah, and it's new.

And you can't actually shoot 64 megapixels. It bends down to 16, but it is a larger physically sensor. So it'll get more light. It will be able to take faster shutter speeds in low light photos. It will be able to take faster shutter speeds and low light photos it will be able to take uh softer depth of field shots in regular lighting and close-up subjects so it turned out to be better they did the i think the processing pretty well and so that was nice to see um it also has an ultra wide which had a surprising amount of distortion i took some ultra

wide shots where i was just like i'm just gonna crop in like this doesn't look good at the edges like i do get more but like wow it's out of an ultra wide yeah it was shockingly distorted and that seemed like a weird google omission like when i think of google i think of like them making a super ultra wide look not so distorted the software this one didn't do it so maybe i'll fix that later. Decent selfie camera. Yeah. Here's a quick A-B test. Would you even notice some of these things in phones? Plastic back versus glass back?

Not on this phone. On this phone? It feels glass-ticky, kind of like Samsung used to do. It feels really close. I hate that you use glass-tick. I'm sorry. But it is, when i held that phone it felt fine yeah it does just like the glass yeah so that one i didn't mind so much um would you notice 6.3 inch versus 6.1 inch display not really not super yeah would you even necessarily

notice the difference between the old 12 megapixel shots and the new 16 megapixel shots. I noticed the depth of field difference, but I would bet you that regular people would not. Yeah. Yeah. Would you notice 7.5 watt wireless charging versus 20 watt wireless charging? 15? 20 or 15.

It's higher. It's about double. It might be 20. No, I think you're right. It's 20. I think it's 20 and I would actually notice that. It's funny because when you guys just said that before, I was like, this sounds like a total non-issue. Yeah.

Like wireless charging. Wireless charging in your car running high brightness navigation music. You stay, you don't charge, but like wireless charging in your car running all of that. Like most of my wireless charging is just sitting at my desk or next to my bed to make sure it's full in the morning. It's a trickle charge. Yeah. Is it lower minimum brightness? I wasn't able to find that in the spec sheet i don't know about minimum the maximum sorry maximum maximums were 500 i would have to double check yeah but um i wouldn't say that they're dramatically

different so yeah this is the thing you wouldn't notice most of these things but i feel like but all together if we're trying to recommend devices to consumers like i would want to educate consumers that like i know this is newer but you can get the same phone but with everything better for basically the same price nine times out of ten yeah so it's like i really want to get a psa out to the general public that like you can buy a pixel 7 and it's a little bit better budget phone of the year the pixel 7 yeah i gave it an award wait a great phone that was you gave phone of the year to pixel 7 yeah sorry phone of the year yeah and budget phone

i was like please don't go into the budget debate again it's like a really good phone and it's like seven months set it on the screen today it's yeah they put it on the screen yeah it's a good phone and it's like seven months set it on the screen today it's yeah they put it on the screen yeah it's a good phone so the only other difference is the 7s ip68 versus this has ip67 but again nothing something uh consumers not gonna if you really like the colors and you're a regular person you're not gonna notice here's one other thing that i don't think is confirmed yeah but when they were talking about magic editor they said will only be available to new phones is pixel 7 in that list or is only 7a in that list and that also sounds like something google would say to hype up the release in the phones coming out in the fall and then let all

the phones use it by january that'd be wild if 7a had, well it's 7a and then 8 and Fold would all have it, but would 7 have it? And 7 Pro? It would be hilarious if it didn't. Yeah, but they've done this before. It's the same RAM. They did it with Magic Eraser, didn't they? They said this, that was when Tensor was out and they said this will only be available on Tensor and then six months later

they roll it out to all personal phones. I can understand it because it was Tensor versus other stuff that didn't have Tensor. And this time it's the same right it's the same phone and it's the cheaper phone yeah that's why they would be yeah that would be hilarious but like but technically by their wording i'm pretty sure they said available on new phones which i assume at this point we're talking about new phones which is stuff they announced and stuff they're gonna announce seven months old interesting wording interesting wording we'll have to see i also think because magic editor was also not coming till fall anyways right so then maybe it won't even be 7a maybe it'll only be oh excellent but

then it has to go on the fold later this year did they demo it on the fold they didn't demo it but like how do you not put it on the fold if it's on the right i mean it's gonna eventually come to every Android phone through Google Photos anyway. Exactly. Yeah, because everything eventually gets moved to the Google servers and they just let you do it in Google Photos on their servers. Yeah, we start with that. Three to six months later.

Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, Pixel 7a is a, it's a decent phone. It's not quite as, like, slam-dunk deal as maybe it was in the past with the a series and anytime the price goes up inside the a series like bracket people are sensitive to it which is why i think look at the 6a at 349 if you really want like a deal yeah um but yeah that was that was my thought what was 6a msrp when it was 450 i think it was way lower hold on no i think it was

450 because i remember talking about it going up. So like how long ago was it? Because Pixel A series started at like 350. The 4A was 350 and it was the best deal of all time. We're getting to the point where. Pixel 4A is like my favorite Pixel. You're 150 bucks up on that now. Yeah. From the original A series.

I don't think they can ever put the A over 500. 6A was 449. Okay. At launch. Yeah. At launch. Yeah. so it's 100 bucks off now the 6a now yeah it's pretty good yeah except for the stuttery it's not a good performing phone yeah i got heat for that but let's just be honest it's not smooth yeah i will also say that the 7a in 60 hertz mode also has that issue which is very strange it feels like it's like dropping frames a lot and i was showing you this in the car on our way to wawa the other day when you're pulling down the notification shade like yeah eight times out of ten it'll like stutter on its

way down i am a little bit curious about the choice to be 60 hertz out the box on the a series when it's capable of 90 and if that's if there's any more reason behind that because the same exact chip and the same basically the same battery size are in the pixel 7 which is 90 hertz out the box am i crazy i would bet you that because this phone is more targeted towards budget users they're probably not the ones that are like i need 90 hertz i need this i need that and they only they care more about battery life i see so for the people that are buying the a series phones they're like if we can squeeze a little more battery life out of this and if you happen to be a power user turn it on that's fair you know it's also going to be because at a carrier service

when you're buying a plan that's going to be 500 and the pixel 7 is still going to be whatever so like that is still going to be the cheap pixel phone that's true also you can just like last year you can buy a millimeter wave one from verizon for another 50 last year was an extra hundred dollars for the seven jesus uh but for the for the 7a you can get one for 549 if you're on verizon and really want that and really want the millimeter wave version yeah all right we got to take a quick break we got more pixels and hardware to talk about so we're going to do that in our last segment but of course as usual before we hit that break hit that trivia trivia and none of you guys can hear it it's just for me all right second question so which version of android was the

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do the fold first okay because the fold is wild the fold is a very confusing conflicting product to me because i really like it and want it and i also know that i will not be recommending this to most people. Pretty fair. Sounds evergreen for all our folding. Okay, so, well, it's a Pixel, but, like, even multiplied. So, it is $1,800. And so, when you come in at that price, you immediately attract the early adopter and the enthusiast who both care a lot about what?

Design, aesthetics, incredible specs and performance. And what does this phone have? Tensor G2 from seven months ago and not the best looking bezels. So it's not going to appeal to the $1,800 phone buyer, but I really like the pixel stuff about it. It has all of that stuff still, but now it's a seven and a half inch screen

in the inside that unfolds and i've been waiting for this sort of passport size thing and the decision they made when you can see this in the impressions video is they moved a lot of the the folding hardware to like above and below the hinge in order to keep it thin so it's 180 degree fold but it's thinner than any other foldable i've ever used in the u.s other than the xiaomi foldable and the surface duo oh but it's thinner than any other foldable I've ever used. In the US, the Xiaomi foldable. Other than this and the Surface Duo. Oh. But that's not a folding screen, so I don't count that. That's not a phone.

Oh, right. It's not a phone, it's a Surface. Fair enough. But it is a really thin, really nice to hold tablet, passport-sized tablet thing. So I really like it, and I'm going to definitely, I'm going to get one, and I'm going to review it and see what it's like.

But I also know that at $1,800, you should probably just get the Fold 4 from Samsung. Like that's the better phone for most people. Um, that's probably three Pixel 7s for that price. You could also get other phones. So yeah, that's, it's out. What do you, what do you guys think now that you've seen it? So, yeah, I actually, I don't know. The hardware is really nice. I'm really glad they have really nice hardware. First generation Google hardware can be very rough. The cool thing is I know that they've been working on foldable interfaces for a very long time.

Basically, ever since the first Galaxy Fold came out, Google's been working super tightly with Samsung to make foldable interfaces really... They had Android 12 L, and the L just meant large. Large screen displays, aka foldables. So now we're on Android 14 is about to come out, and they've been working on this for a long time. They showed a lot of multitasking modes that seemed really natural. They have the new multitasking bar that you can

slide up with which samsung already has samsung already had that but it was in a permanent dock right bottom of the screen this goes away high comes up from the multitasking bar yeah i thought it was fire yeah i like that a lot yeah the the bezels do seem a little rough i understand that you need bezels of some kind to be able to hold a foldable. Put a real webcam in there. Yeah. Yeah. Real selfie camera. Real selfie camera.

Instead of the garbage that's under the screen of the Samsung. Yeah. Yeah. Just saying. I will say that they didn't really hide the hinge in between the bezels very well. And it looks a little more rough than like the Galaxy Fold 4. You're saying the crease? Not the crease.

Above the screen. Oh, oh, oh. Where the two pieces like kind of touch each other and then there's the screen that floats on top okay yeah it does it looks a little bit rough when you open it um but well i want to i want to try it more i want to try it more uh so we'll see i i think that you're definitely spot on that like i haven't i've wanted a foldable for a long time but i don't love samsung's ui always love the pixel ui yeah so having something that has both is really amazing

and i like that it's in more of the oppo find n form factor so the candy bar yeah because the candy bar from samsung is do you remember the first generation it was funny looking back at that oh my god i gave that kind of an easy time like i was like wow guys it folds like can we literally folds but now that i look back at it i'm like whoa the the inner display of the first fold that was like yeah one eighth the size of the actual phone was ridiculous yeah so yeah i'm pretty excited about i do want to try i know that a lot of the people at the office are like gonna pre-order it you get a free pixel watch if you pre-order it which is hilarious i i know that the pixel watch has been selling really well i think they released a stat well comparatively they released a stat that it's

like the best-selling android wearable or something or wear os wearable that's a very high bar yeah but um i think that they're i think that they're just trying to move people into the google everything ecosystem so if you if you just don't have a smartwatch yet and you're buying a pixel fold they're like we're gonna get one on your wrist and you're gonna be in the pixel watch ecosystem who is that person that doesn't have uh it's weird because yeah hundred dollars and is gonna drop it on a pixel fold but somehow doesn't already have the pixel smart or a smart watch yeah in general yeah i don't know i don't know um funny enough i think you could you have your choice of the lte or the wi-fi only version and the lte one's 50 more expensive so i don't know why they're giving you the option

uh yeah free you just take whatever one you want yeah the so the full team school i i really i think all of us in the office are probably going to try it for a little bit and then see how we like it. I loved it. I mean, I played with it for like 40 minutes and I was like, wow, it's 120 hertz on the outside and inside. Yeah. It was smooth. And I think like to your point, like a lot of people look at the bezels when they aren't using the phone and they look kind of weird. But once you actually use the phone and you're looking at the screen, that's the important part.

And I feel like when I look at the screens now, I'm more willing to forgive like a slightly thicker bezel. Yeah. Because I'm looking at the screen. The screen's nice. Yeah. So if I can deal with the Pixel 3 XL like bathtub notch, I think I can get away with it. Yeah. Like this whole thing, you know, I came into this thinking it's a foldable i'm not

really that interested in foldables and then i left it thinking like i really want to try that yeah i think i really do want to try it um there are some really cool things about it like you said some of the software was really neat i really liked the um i liked how if you are multitasking on both screens and then you swipe into recent apps it'll stay docked together with the multitasking things that you're using so you can go back if you're in like google or like a video and messages like that'll stay together when you bring it back later um or like sheets and your email or something like that yeah i thought that was really neat um they showed off which i thought was pretty cool the like live translation where

you flip the whole thing open and you can speak into one side seeing your translation and then the other side where someone's looking at you can see that that's i know that's like a weird like it's kind of strange but it also is way better than the like i've seen a lot of people mention this like they say they can go to foreign countries and actually oh yeah be able to to communicate with people but that's talk into it look at it show it to them yeah at least you kind of have some sort of like a little quicker back and forth we were memeing this a little bit like the lady in the demo was sort of like here here look at it look at it yeah i thought what they were going to do is because when you fold it open it's such a big display i thought it would split the screen in half. And on one side, it would read the text towards you.

And on the other side, it would read it. So if you were like sitting at a table across from somebody, you could both be looking down at it. And it would like talk into it and translate it. I think they're liking the screen on the other side. Yeah, I think they were just trying to flex that. Google Translate is one of those apps where every time I see an improvement of it, I'm like, damn, that's good.

And then I never use it. When I was in Colombia, the entire time we're like, we need someone who speaks good Spanish because we're not using our apps very well. But it has a feature where you can say something in English, it'll immediately transcribe it, hit play, and it'll say it in Spanish.

Yeah. Out loud. It's like, that would have been really useful in a taxi or something like that. Yeah. I don't know if I'm going to be in the front seat of the taxi like talking to the phone and like showing them the screen yeah but the audio experience is nice but it was cool the next big step of that is now that we have um audio ai and there's some products that can do this already

where you just you say like i think humane had this in their demo um however that ends up looking but like where you can say something into it say translate this for me and then in your voice it says it in the language like the other language which will be really cool um do you have any other thoughts on the tablet no i mean yeah i've got some thoughts on the tablets we'll get to in a minute but um i think i liked the pixel fold way more than i thought i would i definitely i'm gonna try it out at some point i don't think i'll pre-order it necessarily um because i you don't want that pixel watch yes i just need another pixel watch attempting to connect to my phone at all

hours of the office um yeah yeah i i think it looks really cool i'm excited to try it the thing is is like if you haven't used a foldable, can you drop $1,800 without knowing you're going to enjoy using a foldable all the time? It does seem thinner. So ultimately, it does seem like the normal phone function should be fine, which I know is good.

But then am I just paying three times as much money that I'm never going to open it up? We'll see. I would like to try. I'm more excited now than I was before. I think I tried to curb my own hype and then saw... Curb your enthusiasm.

Yeah, saw fancy... I got totally sold by the fancy presentation of it. There are also a bunch of other question marks with it that we have to figure out in the review. One is it's still Tensor G2 and it is a smaller battery. It is the biggest battery in a foldable, but it is still a 4400 or something like that.

And Tensor G2 has not traditionally been super battery efficient. And it's a gigantic unfolding screen on the inside. Yeah. So what's the battery life going to be like? That's number one. We don't know. Number two is it is thinner than the regular Pixel, so it is, yet again, a new set of camera sensors. Yeah. There are slightly thinner modules

and they had to make a slightly thinner periscope lens and all these things are all slightly smaller than the flagship Pixel 7 Pro. Yeah. So we'll have to, again, see what those cameras do. Samsung has done that in their Folds too. Their Folds always have lesser cameras than their most recent flagships.

Exactly. So we're going to have to test those. And then that's just the apps question of like, they did like, there's 50 new updated Google apps for, you know, optimizing for the tablet screen size and hopefully a bunch of new third-party apps that work really well with it too. The different column sizes and all that, we'll have to play with that. That's a question mark. But then just like performance, you know, Tensor G2 holding up over time, Android 14, all that fun stuff. We we'll see i am fairly optimistic about battery life because i think that like the reason that this phone is so thin is i think that they want to encourage people to feel okay using it closed

when you only need to use it as a closed phone you just use the front display which is also 120 hertz it's a it's a you know it's a glass screen instead of sort of that plastic kind of thing and so if you're able to if it's about the same thickness as a pixel 7 and then you're using it as a regular phone but it has a way bigger battery that's kind of dope and then you just open it when you need to when you want to use expanded app features yeah so i'm optimistic because i think that for with a lot of foldables a lot of people kind of just open it for the novelty and use apps in big screen mode for the novelty but they don't actually need to so the more that it can feel like a regular phone most of the time and then you have the convenience

of the tablet when you need it i think that that's kind of the ultimate in between yeah yeah it'll depend on the ratio of how much you use outside versus the inside yeah interesting yeah all right on to the main event the main event the pixel tablet ladies and gentlemen it is a real thing i wish i could hear the sound effects but did you hear me okay so pixel tablet gets unveiled. It is what we thought it was, which is it's a tablet that connects to a speaker magnet dock that makes it a Google Home. The things that we didn't know that we now know are, one, it's a Tensor G2.

It's an 11-inch 60-hertz LCD. It's not a super high-end tablet, and the price will be $499, and it will include, David, I want to, I'm sure you would love to remind us of our bet, but it will include the dock in the box. Yeah, we've been talking about this off-camera pretty much all day.

I had to remind them various times. We've been talking about it. Yeah, I think one person's been talking about it a lot more than the others. Yeah, this is our bet, was whether or not it came with the dock included. It does, which is dope. You can also buy an additional dock for $129. I missed that. You can buy it does which is dope you can also buy an additional dock for 129 i missed that you can buy it yes you can buy an additional dock i think it's a little bit weird to buy an additional dock and then just have just a speaker dock sitting somewhere that you can't use unless you throw the tablet on it yeah um that's kind of strange i but i mean if you just want to buy it i like the options there which is nice yeah because you could like put it in a corner or something and it's felt so it kind of strange. But I mean, if you just want to buy it. I like the options there, which is nice.

Yeah, because you could like put it in a corner or something and it's felt. So it kind of blends in with your environment. It would have been nice if the dock had its own Bluetooth connection. Or just like a Google Assistant thing built in. So you can still ask it stuff from across the room. You could still play music on it without having to have the... That's a good point. Yeah, but it doesn't.

So there are pins on the dock and those four pins match up to the four pins on the back of the tablet. And when you connect them, those pins are everything. That's data and power. So if you... Actually, it's how you charge the tablet. You put it on the dock. There's a USB-C port. There is a port.

Yeah. But it doesn't come with a USB-C cable. No. So you'll have to charge it on the dock. And then the other thing is... Yeah, it's got a speaker built into the tablet. So if you're playing music and you want that like slightly louder speaker, which I've listened to it a little bit. It's louder, but it's not that loud.

We'll test it more. You put it on the speaker dock and then now it's a Google Home. It's got hub mode. You lock it and it will go into hub mode and do all the hub mode stuff. So that was cool. You want to remember yeah i i think hub mode was the thing that we're kind of learning about this that really like showed how this thing is really neat and how like what hub mode is is essentially when it's docked that makes it you know feel like a nest hub you have like home controls you have like

easy voice to text like stuff on that makes it super easy but when you want it to be in the tablet mode you either pull it to be in the tablet mode you either pull it off or use the fingerprint sensor and then you're going into regular google apps and stuff like that i'm curious if you can have multiple users fingerprints pre-loaded so that if you have a different set of apps as me as i would have i think that's exactly what it does i know they mentioned multi-user i forget if does that, where it sets you up per fingerprint, or if it's just multiple fingerprints can unlock it to go to your... Because Android has multi-user built-in.

I do think they said logins. Yeah, I think it's two completely different users. That's dope. Two, which the iPad hasn't had forever. And the way they showed it on stage, which is new, but we haven't seen it in action yet, is like there's a little picture in the corner, and you just tap the picture.

Because like a tablet that's at home, it's floating around your house. Exactly. Maybe you and someone else uses it. You tap the picture, and then it sort of brings you to the login screen. You tap your new picture, log in with your fingerprint, and it's a new tablet. New apps, new home screen, new everything. So I would want to get the one with more storage

to make sure this would work well, but I think that's the best implementation of multi-user on a tablet we've ever seen yeah pretty cool you can just touch your fingerprint to it and it's like this is david's tablet it's got all david's apps on it and then i dock it and then later on andrew comes in because he's hanging out of my house for some reason yeah and he has in your time it's like the new spare key it's like you give them access to it yeah exactly it have in your time it's like the new spare key it's like you give access to uh yeah exactly it's a spare key it's access to your tablet yeah so i mean that would be that would be awesome yeah that way your kids aren't like messing around with your bank account and stuff yeah and buying apps on your account yeah so i think that that seems to be

working or it seems to be the way it's going to work. I don't. Well, I don't personally need one because I have a tablet already and I have a Google Home already. So obviously I don't need it. But there's going to be a lot of people who don't have either and who can get this and it will be both. And I think that's pretty cool. It's like a dual purpose thing.

You lock it. It's I'm curious how one to one feature parity it is with just buying a google home which is like 230 bucks can it be your nest security camera can it probably because the one that's plugged in all the time can but if it's just going to be popping off the dock i don't know if that's going to be a future probably in hub mode i would guess in hub mode i'm assuming hub mode's gonna have it's exactly that everything that a nest home hub has i hope so in different i think it's even they were showing also an overhaul of your of google home the new app which looked really good on tablet mode like with all the different sliders and everything so i think that's gonna be fantastic on and that's what like that's what i'm so excited about this five hundred dollars i can

have my my nest hub home that has all my home controls in my living room or something like that. And then when I travel to the West Coast to make a podcast in a hotel room, I can be an iPad kid on the plane and just watch downloaded Netflix anime or movies or whatever I want on there. So that's all I want this for. Well, Clara's at home with no home controls now. Clara will live.

She has her Pixel, right her pixel right that's fair yeah that's 500 bucks I think that's great I kind of want two of them I kind of want one for my kitchen as well where I can pull the tablet off to the side and bring it with me if I'm cooking something and I'm like you wouldn't get two docks no

it'd be kind of ugly I don't want what well you're saying you want two tablets i want two of these but one with doc oh they come with docs okay i put them one in the kitchen with the doc one in my living room with the doc also just the green i have green paint in my living room oh yeah we should also mention there's three colors yeah there's like a dark green which is the only one that comes with black bezels and then there's like a seafoam which is it's called porcelain yeah so look at the green one's called hazel and it's the only one that comes with black bezels and then there's porcelain which has white bezels and it's sort of

like this more porcelain color i guess and then there's a rose which is like slightly pink it's like the pixel 3 sand pink in a way also has white bezels so if you're like in a living room you probably want to get the hazel but i'm assuming that most of these are in people's like kitchens so you get any of the other colors you have a white bezel yeah yeah yeah white bezel is fine in the kitchen also the case i don't do we know if the case comes with this or i don't think it does okay well it's still really sick because the case can fit on the back match the color and it has this interesting like metal oval that when you take it off of the the speaker now you have a kickstand so if you want to go on the plane or whatever and kick it up or if you want to distract your kids at dinner because

they're being noisy you can kick it up on the table but then it can fold back in and then still snap right onto the home it like doesn't affect so cool i really like that really sweet yeah yeah the uh the 256 gigabyte is 100 more so it's 5.99 so 4.99 which is pretty nice uh i'm trying to look for accessories i don't really know if they're selling they're not they haven't they showed the accessories but i don't think they are selling them yet they'll probably sell them when they come live on google store really i'm looking right now there's the oh it's probably the accessory section yeah it's in the accessory section okay because i was looking to see if they sold the hub yet and the hub is coming soon it says it's not for sale yet if you want to buy a separate one a dock okay thank you oh there's still yeah do you think that a separate i guess if you really like to carry the

tablet around with you all day if you have one like by your bed and in the living room then maybe you would get two of them but that just feels i think those are the two like the kitchen somewhere downstairs somewhere upstairs basically like the bedroom in the kitchen or something yeah if you want to bring them before i would hate to just leave it without a tablet out there i think that would look kind of weird so the official case is 80 which is the one with the wire yeah that one's 80 80 and then there's a spec um made standee shell is what they call it which is basically like it has a kickstand built in and that's 50 that looks it's a totally different color and it looks terrible the official case the cases are the same color as the body so it looks exactly the same basically um and then it has the metal ring

80 seems kind of steep it does kind of steep i will say the guy in front of me when we were watching the thing he was like taking notes or whatever and then he looked up at the end he looked back at us he was like there's no keyboard and i was like no there's no keyboard and he was like oof ouch and started writing about how bad that was how are you gonna i don't think this is a tablet people are gonna put you're not gonna carry a separate keyboard with you when it's mostly on the dock yeah i think this is the people who put a a tablet on a keyboard are suddenly like a high performance like Like, yeah, this is media consumption. Not buying this tablet.

This is media consumption. This is entertainment purposes when you're using it in tablet mode. And they did. To be fair, they also do mention how Google has some of the best voice to text translate. So like there's not a lot. There is the split screen keyboard. But like most of the time you're going to want to put text on this thing. You're just going to use your voice.

Yeah. Yeah. So that guy, you know who you are yeah i love this was this i'm so glad we got to the point it got announced and i still love everything about it and i cannot wait for one of these watches what i'll suck we will test it we'll see we'll see about this camera it's an 8 megapixel camera on the back has no portrait mode has no high-end features it's just like it's a tablet with a camera what are you gonna use it for yeah like like occasional video calls whatever shut up it's got a front facing camera stop talking how good the battery let me love it it's a 60 hertz display i'm sure it's gonna be a fine battery but we still gotta test that so we'll see but i think it's in a pretty good place right now yeah and we have one more quick thing to talk about we'll make it kind of quick even though we probably could talk for a while

which is find my android right yes underrated announcement of the whole thing and i have many questions about i feel like this was the most active we were into slack i know we started talking about this okay so so basically they made they started actually with this announcement of, if you are being followed by a rogue AirTag, it will now notify you on your Android phone. And that was the thing that was making headlines before. Oh, people are putting AirTags in cars, and their iPhones are telling them that they're being followed by an AirTag.

But hey, if you're stalking somebody with an Android phone, they're not even going to find out. Yeah, they're not going to know, right. Now it's being built into Android because they can do that. They worked with Apple on this, by the thankfully they had to yeah and then there was this mention of they're actually on this now this network of billions of android phones which are all contributing to sort of this find my thing now and low-key that's a way bigger find my network than iphone's in a lot of parts of the world in anywhere but the united states everywhere but yeah even probably the united states yeah even

still in the united states if it's not bigger it's still enough yeah it's enormous uh so that's that's pretty cool yeah we have a we have a super useful find my network of billions of android phones yeah they've always had well not always but for a very long time they've had find my device which is just like it's a place you can go on your google account on the internet where you can ring your phone remotely or you can wipe your phone remotely um but now the fact that every device is sort of contributing to it so even if it's i think it's like even if it doesn't have data other phones that walk by will kind of like give its location and triangulate it. It's really cool. And they also announced that they're going to be able

to implement it into like partner devices. So like, I think they showed off some Sony headphones, so like XM5s or something. And my question is, you have to pay to be on Apple's Find My network. Like the VanMoof bike has Find My, the premium one. The cheaper VanMoof bike that they just announced doesn't have it.

And I'm assuming that Apple charges a licensing fee to use it. My question is, does Google also charge a licensing fee to put Find My into this? I assume they do. I would assume that, but I don't know. Yeah, and it's gonna be like, so now are all devices going to pay both

licensing fees to apple and google to be on both and my other way well i'm just saying who else is just going to even do the android one because you assume all android devices are part of this so then you're just going to assume all samsung products are probably going to have like let's just think earbuds headphones first right that's what you lose a ton of yeah galaxy buds are going to have to be right because you lose it pixel buds are going to have to like, let's just think earbuds headphones first, right? That's what you lose a ton of. Galaxy Buds are going to have to be on this because you lose it. Pixel Buds are going to have to be on this. They don't have to pay a licensing fee. Are my Sony Link Buds going to be on it?

Because Sony makes Android devices. Are they going to pay for that? But then go a step further, are Sennheiser earbuds going to be on this? Like, who's going to pay into that? I feel like we just so often at least in the u.s think there's apple and there's just everything else seems to fall under android when it doesn't really but there are a lot of things it kind of does but at the same time like i don't know if

the like sen or the sennheiser air earbuds like yeah like are those going to be on the find my network now or are they gonna have to pay extra for that going into it yeah i'm also also wondering that something i was really hoping for at this iota that they didn't announce is an air tag competitor sold by google yeah um there was a fake one that was distributed uh with a name that i don't want to say on the podcast uh with a funny name that was like a fake Google air tag that, um, anyway,

I was hoping that they would release one of those. They didn't, which feels weird because now that they launched this like enhanced find my system, I would hope that they would have their own air tag competitor because I've always told people if you're, if you have any Apple devices, you don't even need an iPhone.

If you have a Mac book, an air tag is the best $30 you will ever spend because it means you will literally never lose the thing you attach it to ever again and if you do you will find it and like it's for that like peace of mind it is really really good and so being able to add this Android find my feature yeah to any you know a regular a camera or something is super worth it yeah um chipolo which is tile's biggest competitor is on apple's find my yeah and tile sued apple because of the whole like you can either join us or we'll destroy you thing that they did both yeah yeah we did a whole video about this they should make that might be why does apple not have a new i don't know why google isn't releasing a tracker because uh it would they should make that might be why does apple not have a new i

don't know why google isn't releasing a tracker because uh it would they would sell like if they sold it for even like five dollars less if they sold it for 25 instead of 30 they'd probably sell a ton it's it's got to be coming i bet you it'll probably come out in the fall with the new google hardware that'll be fire yeah i hope we get one yeah that'd be awesome well yeah that's a that's the in the weeds we've we've gone through everything pretty much we actually went through the entire io um you just watch this instead of watching the io recap this is probably just then you wouldn't see the you wouldn't see the bird oh and bard got dark theme i wanted oh yeah true biggest applause of the day that's true I just say, the applause in person is way more annoying than on the live stream.

I was just staring at people like, why are you applauding? No one was applauding. It was probably engineers that were sitting in the front that were applauding. It was the birds. It was like, that's my product. It was the birds we're applauding. The fake birds, yeah. The ferds.

Trivia time. All right, trivia. Get out your whiteboards. all right trivia get out your whiteboards we brought these all the way from new jersey to be here with us in sunny california even though it wasn't sunny this morning it was freezing we were freezing it was so cold i was very upset still sunny still sunny it was not it was very cloudy it's always sunny in san francisco yeah okay anyway we had magic editor it could have been sunny question number one google deep mind has been brought in and out of google several times over the past decade but today

at google io it was announced that google's parent company alphabet will be merging deep mind with what's google subsidiary you can't hear the music but i pressed the waiting music so you got like 30 seconds to write your answer. David has already wrote, he's staring at me in my soul. Andrew's blacking out. I'm going all in. I don't know at all. I'm all in, baby.

Absolutely not. I'm either extremely right or extremely wrong. You guys always talk about Google subsidiaries, and I just don't know any of them. Marques is writing. Oh, wait. Andrew's staring at me. Did you say Alphabet subsidiary? Don't let David look.

I'm not looking. Okay. Also, why would I change my answer when I'm already correct? Ooh, got him. Okay. Flip him and read. Wait, Andrew, you're done? Yeah, I wrote Google.

Wrong. I wrote Google Brain. Correct. I wrote Google X. Wrong. Don't you say Google Brain in the next question? What? What? What was the next question? Next question.

Which version of Android was the first one optimized for tablets? And I pressed the waiting. At least I, at least I know I can guess at this one. Quick update on the score. I will read while we're waiting. Marquez has 14. Andrew has 9. David has 14.

Andrew, what's going on? I'm just here to get trivia questions wrong and chew bubble gum. I'm all out of bubble gum. All right, you guys ready? Yeah. All right, flip them and read. Oh, you're right. I got the number and the name wrong. I got the number right.

What'd you say? I said Android 4.0 ice cream sandwich. Wrong. Yeah, but it's wrong. Wrong. Sorry. Android. How's that?

Wrong. Well, yeah, it can still be wrong. Okay. I wrote honeycomb. Correct. be wrong okay i wrote honeycomb correct let's go android honeycomb what number was honeycomb three i believe it was three three yeah h i yeah that was right double check so ice cream sandwich was four but that was 4.0 yeah that was nexus galaxy nexus the awkward thing about honeycomb is it only went on tablets. It wasn't really tablet optimized. So I had a Zoom.

It was on the Motorola Zoom. It was on the Zoom. It was called like Holo UI. Holo UI was Ice Cream Sandwich, which also launched on Honeycomb at the same time. That's why. Dang, so close. All right. Final score.

Marques with 14 still. Andrew with nine still. Yo, dude, stop laughing. Marquez with 14 still. Andrew with 9 still. Yo, stop laughing. I'll come over there. David in the lead with 15. My Iceland mess-ups have nothing on this. Let's go. Well played.

Well done. Thank you. Well done, David. Thank you. We've ran out of time. I'm sure this is just as long as the keynote at this point. I'm so hungry. We have to get in and out. Yeah, we're definitely going directly to the long as the keynote at this point, but I'm so hungry. We have to get in and out.

Yeah. We're definitely going to wrap this up and go in and out. Uh, any last words on anything we should talk about? I think I should get another trivia point for getting the stand question. Correct. I'm going to veto that. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. All right. Cool. That's fair. If you were in dead last, I'd think about it, but that's a no for me. All right. Cool. All on the same page there. That's fair. If you were in dead last, I'd think about it.

That's okay. But that's a no from me. All right. You know what? We'll give a point to Andrew just for that. I want to give a point to Brandon because he's helping us shoot this episode. Thanks, Brandon. Oh, this is the first.

Oh, I'm going to put. Did you do the aperture? All right, here. Who am I saying this to? Waveform is produced by Adam Molina, Ellis Roven, and Brandon Havard on camera today. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network, and our intro after music was created by Bing.