Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Google's Epic Loss!

Episode Date: December 15, 2023

Andrew is back! This week, Marques, Andrew, and David bring back the chaos and discuss the Google Gemini video being heavily edited, Beeper Mini being taken down by Apple, a new update to the Meta's Ray-Ban AI glasses that makes them multimodal, and the surprising outcome to the Google Vs Epic court case. There's a lot to get into! Then Andrew chimes in on a few stories that he's missed before we close it out with trivia. Enjoy! Links: Beeper Mini Update: https://www.beeper.com/update Google's AI Demo: https://bit.ly/4aj9VsV Google's AI Storyteller: https://bit.ly/41uQx8o Epic v. Google: https://bit.ly/3Rm4Nvy Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Instagram/Threads/Twitter: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Dexter Original Sin, New series now streaming. Exclusively on Paramount Plus. A mountain of entertainment. What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. All three of us.

We're back. Yay! Feels good. Feels good. It's been a minute. I've missed you guys. Yeah. Welcome. Were you like busy or like how come? Oh yeah. I just like a lot of stuff. Um, yeah, my, my kiddo came a little early and it's been great. And you guys have been great. Um, you've been kicking ass without me. Have you actually been keeping up with the pod? Cause I feel like that's impossible. It's hard. I watched the Raleigh episode because i was like so excited and so sad that i missed it but you guys did awesome it was a great episode if you haven't watched it go back

and watch it because it was a bonus episode but like yeah it's been awesome we've been missing you thank you i've missed you guys it's it's cool being back your trivia score is exactly the same as what it would have been if i was here let's be real let's carry the one still there we made double digits we got where we needed to be adam has been carrying the one actually has he been carrying the one every week appreciate it yeah it's heavy it's not for yours though i've been carrying it for david oh it's switched people i'm sorry i feel like that's my fault i'm just trying to carry the team you know you you are carrying the team thanks well played well we have a good episode this week.

We're in December. Techcember, I think, as we were talking about. No, December. Sorry, December. December. So we got a whole bunch of stuff. So first of all, Epic has officially beat Google in its antitrust trial, which has some interesting implications. Google also has this new AI storyteller.

It's not out, but we got to hear about it and it's pretty amazing. Pretty insane, actually. Also, we got to watch spatial videos on the Vision Pro, which we'll talk about as well. But first, we've got an update on a couple little things. Remember that Gemini video we talked about last time, which was a demo of the new large language model and Google's large language model and Google's multimodal abilities with AI. It was heavily edited, as we suspected. And I still think that's okay. That's my hot take is I still think that's okay.

Not a lot of people agree with that. A lot of people are very angry that Google so heavily edited. I thought everyone kind of knew that that was edited, but the way they presented it, when you watch it back, is very misleading. It makes you think they just start drawing and immediately start getting cues in real time from Google and super high speed, and that's not exactly what's happening. It's very curated.

They tried a bunch of stuff ahead of time. They're using this video to demonstrate what it's capable of, but it's not an actual demo. Did you watch this video, Andrew? I didn't see the whole thing i saw like people saying oh this was fake so i i have not been able to keep up with the news very well so i'm gonna be the passenger here but i am interested in this because it does seem a little weird to have a heavily edited video even if you are a type of person who expects it to be

kind of like that you have to go in understanding most people won't and think that it's yeah there are people who thought tesla bot was real so let's yeah step back dancing suit or the actual one wait tesla bot was a guy in a suit the first the dancing tesla the dancing guy but the one that slowly walked on stage ominously that was that was probably a sort of along the lines of Boston Dynamics scripted heart choreographer but yeah no flesh no flesh I mean yeah robots yeah can you explain it yeah so so for people that didn't see this video yet last Wednesday Google announced its new Gemini model which has three versions there's a like a mini version that goes on your phone there's a pro yet. Last Wednesday, Google announced its new Gemini model, which has three versions. There's like a mini version that goes on your phone. There's a pro version, which is basically in the cloud and is supposed to power Bard. And then there's an ultra version because, of course,

everything has to be ultra and pro max now. And that one is in the servers and is going to be for enterprise applications. So Google released this video that showed the multimodal capabilities of its ultra model and they said in the beginning of the video we want to show you some of our favorite things that we figured out it could do and they had this like really fast paced like no stops video where some guy like starts to draw a duck slowly and it's like what do you what do you see and he's like it's like oh you're drawing something oh it looks like a duck now and then he shades it in and he's like oh it's a blue duck now and then he puts a rubber duck on it and it's like oh you put a rubber duck on the table that's just like the duck that you just drew and then just does all this crazy stuff in a very fast paced

like it's like a four and a half minute video where it's just non-stop like movements of like really complex tasks and very multimodal capabilities and it seems really awesome and i sent it to marquez and adam like the morning it dropped and i said watch this we've got to talk about on the pod it's really cool and then like a day later they were like yeah so like it wasn't live video like it was individual prompts that we asked it about a thing that we put on the table and also the things we put on the table weren't the same things we showed you oh wait what yeah it was like it was more of a that's further than yeah i could under like kind of understand if it's like processing and taking a while to process and then like you cut in between

that and make it seem like it's a little snappier which still seems not great but to me but we didn't even show you the real thing yeah it was like a little much it was more of a demo of just here's what google's multimodal ai could look like yeah and but that's not what they said but that's not what they said they definitely presented it as here is what we made yeah that feels and in the future it will in the future it probably that seems cool but like i think part of that the fact that they chose something that was so simple and like it feels like you wouldn't fake it to fake it feels almost like they were trying there was a bunch of stuff that was cool like he pulled a map over and he was like what's this and it's like it's a map of the earth and he's like can you create a game for me based on the map and it just generates this new game okay that's a bit here's some rules for this game and you put your

on antarctica and you put your tiles on here and it does like a lot of really interesting cool stuff um that's cooler and a little more reasonable to be like okay this is what it's gonna do yeah now maybe this could be fake but like the billy madison blue duck thing right like the prompts that it delivered like the responses it delivered were similar to like everything that it showed it's just that you had to prompt it and then it would be like processing boom but instead it was like he wasn't even asking it questions a lot of the time he's like oh it's this and he's like oh hey and he just talks to it like back and forth but anyway i just i was sad cool i

get the backlash from how you're describing it i totally understand there's a reason i'm wearing these glasses that's good to know for audio listeners currently wearing the ray-ban yeah i didn't even mention that no my take on this is like i i think the multimodal stuff is super cool and i might even say this in the last pod which is all right this multimodal thing is just in the ultra model and we might not get our hands on it or be able to use it anytime soon until someone else comes along and makes some other cool multimodal thing and then google feels pressured to push theirs to the forefront because they've had it too and then gpt has multimodal and suddenly they're everywhere um these meta glasses that I'm wearing

got an early access update a day ago that enables their multimodal AI function. So there's a meta assistant in these glasses, which you can think about it what you want. It's not that great. It's not even Siri level, but it does some stuff. It's internet connected. And it's now also connected to the camera

on the front of them. So before, I'm gonna try to do a demo of this with like pointing it at my ear so before i could go hey meta what's the weather tomorrow in carney new jersey united states it will be sunny on thursday december 14th with a high temperature of 41 fahrenheit and a low temperature so you can can hear that, right? It just says the weather. How have we not made answers more conversational? Why can't it just be like, it'll be 71 in Kearney tomorrow? I know.

I think it's trying to confirm that it understood my question. Yeah, you can. But it always goes way too long. I know. Imagine asking someone like, David, do you know what the weather's going to be tomorrow? In Kearney, New Jersey, tomorrow it will be sunny

and it will be 41 degrees Fahrenheit. Well, the one time that you ask it know what the weather's going to be tomorrow? In Kearney, New Jersey, tomorrow, it will be sunny, and it will be 41 degrees Fahrenheit. Well, the one time that you ask it what's the weather, and it thinks you're asking what's the weather in Cupertino, and then it says 55, and it's totally wrong, you'll want to know that it's wrong. No, I'm saying it could say Kearney, but, like, it's just taking way too long. Yeah, just let me know.

Either way, there's an update that lets me ask specifically, and I have to say this exact phrase every time. Hey Meta, look and tell me what you see. And so you just heard that photo thing? Yeah. I see two people sitting in a radio studio, wearing headphones and facing towards microphones. They appear to be hosting a show or podcast. That's pretty crazy good.

Isn't that kind of sick? That was pretty solid. Sick as hell, dude. Didn't say one too bad, but... That's super cool. I've tried this in a bunch of different spaces, and it's accurately portrayed. I walked over to the door where Cadence was sitting,

and I petted her, and I said, what do you see? And it said, I see a dog. It's one of these two breeds, and it's sitting in front of a glass door. Yeah. And I'm like, I didn't ask for any of that, but that's pretty good. Hey, Meta, make it funnier.

Sure. Here's a revised version with a bit of humor. Well, well, well, look what we have here. It's two people sitting in a radio studio, looking like they're about to host the most epic podcast ever. They've got their headphones on their mics are ready and they're staring intensely into the camera like they're trying to hypnotize us with their broadcasting skills i mean who knows maybe they're secretly planning to take over the world with their podcasting powers i guess we'll just

have to tune in to find out come on that great it's funny because of how cringe it is like that's about as funny as people are on facebook so i'm not pretty much yeah yeah anytime you say make it funnier that's about as can i say my favorite story with these things yeah when you were walking around testing it yesterday you came up to like to david ellis and i like by our little desk situation and you were like hey meta show me the like what is this thing and then you just blankly stare off into space for like three seconds directional audio so we can't hear yeah we can't hear every time marcus asked a question he's just like like mouth open just staring into the abyss like controller unplugged yeah in sunglasses

which adds like a whole layer of just like weekend at bernie's energy yeah now i'm assuming this is more for you can ask it questions based on what you're seeing because if you're just going around being like yeah i mean that is what they showed is that part of it have you tried that that is part of it so there are a couple of demos and i haven't gone through all these but like i said i was testing it yesterday you can point it at a menu and ask what are the spicy things on the menu you can point it at something in a different language and say does it say anything about this rule anywhere on this on this parking sign can you guys say how much protein i was gonna point it at a handful of almonds and ask how many if you point it at a

food label it seems to be very good at reading so i actually do think if you pointed it at a food label food label it would be able to find how much protein is in something i don't know if it you just looked at beans if it would know but like it's pretty good it's pretty good at text i said it wouldn't know if it looked at beans because that's impossible almonds fair it's probably not going to be it's not good and it's also pretty good at like deflecting on questions that don't really have an answer like i held up an iphone and android phone next to each other and said look and tell me which one's better and it said okay look, look and tell me which one's better. And it said, okay, look, I can't tell you which one's better just by looking at it. It's probably not a good idea

to pick one of these two high-end smartphones just based on appearance alone, but these are two really good phones and you'll probably have some pros and cons with each one. Can we test to see how far it's willing to go by setting up the trolley problem in real life and you're at the lever. And can you say, should I pull the lever? Do I pull the lever? I'll lay on the ground. And then the rest of us will lay on the other side.

I will actually do. I'll try this. Also, we tried a, Ellis was, or Adam was wearing it. Someone was wearing a jersey. Ellis was wearing a jersey. And it had text on it that said the Blue Jays or whatever. And we said translate what what you see to spanish and it did it so it's actually pretty cool the future team of shohei otani yeah just kidding it's even better he's a dodger now sorry let's go la getting all

the stars the only person who was happy about both of those rumors potentially so yeah you know i think the multimodal stuff is cool i am happy that it's actually just like spilling out into our real lives and like actual people can use this product and try it out today if they just have the newest version of the app and the early access program it's cool so i feel like we're gonna start seeing a lot more of this stuff pretty soon yeah i think multimodal multimodal is like kind of the future of these llLMs. And it may sort of reveal what they're better at than just chatbots. Because we're all doing the chatbot thing, but this could be cool.

Exactly. Look at a sync and be like, how do I fix this? You're going to need. Oh, I pointed out I had a product. I had that Ethernet cable yesterday, and I just looked at the bag, and it told me what kind of cable it was, how long the cable was. It just read everything on the thing and told me like the important things it was pretty cool even though I can just read it I can read but if I couldn't read wow that would be useful I can't read anyway okay uh one more update from last week beeper mini are you still using beeper mini um

no trying to so so last we we have a habit of having very unfortunate timing here on the Waveform podcast. It's a curse. We record on Wednesdays and a lot of stuff often happens between Wednesday and Friday. So last Wednesday, our whole episode was about Beeper Mini because it came out on Tuesday and it was great and it was working. And then Wednesday night or Wednesday early evening in the East Coast of the United States, all of a sudden it stopped working and it seemed that Apple had cut beeper mini off at the source which was a big

bummer impressive yeah it just stopped working for everybody and they went into full-on like we got to fix this over the weekend mode and they sort of did um they got it working again but only through your Apple ID email address you have to sign in with your apple id which not having to sign in with that was one of the perks oh and then uh the other thing was that they said that they're going to bring back the phone number registration login thing eventually but no one really knows when so people went and they review bombed the app which was a bummer i don't know know. It's not, it works again. So if you want to use it with your Apple ID,

it's still got all the benefits that Beeper Mini had originally, which is it's all local on device. It's not bouncing off a Mac Mini server somewhere. It's going directly to Apple servers. So if you're okay with using just your Apple ID email address and having all your text messages go through your email, it works again.

But it's not the same as it was. And I think that this story, especially since it came out right after the Sunbird stuff, kind of reveals that Apple is not just going to let people do this. Apple is reading everything as fast as we are. Yeah. And it's fixing things in real time. Yeah. Like in real time. Because it was only up for like two and a half days. Yeah, it took less as we are. Yeah. And it's fixing things in real time. Yeah. Like in real time. Because it was only up for like two and a half days.

Yeah, it took less than 48 hours. Yeah. When I saw the podcast title, I think I like saw the podcast in the morning and it was called like iMessage for Android for real this time. And then I was like, that's not going to be the last time we use this title. And I think the news came out like a couple hours later. And then we changed it to iM a search android for real this time question mark when that title is the official for real title of the podcast we'll all be far off of this podcast

yeah probably true although rcs is coming it is coming so exclamation point but also a question mark because we don't know how they'll implement not sure about encryption totally fair we should david also wanted to say that we are recording this wednesday oh right it comes out friday oh god just in case the same thing from last week who knows what's gonna happen on friday right by friday so if beeper mini has the phone number thing again by friday i apologize it could have it and lose it by Friday. That's also true. That's also true. PSA. We tried. We tried. Sorry. Okay. One more thing. Google did, at least there was an

article. I don't actually know if Google officially announced this. Is this just an article? It's an article because there's no guarantee if it will be released to the public yet. Right now it seems like an internal project. So I saw this Android Police article reporting on Google building an internal tool that's kind of an AI storyteller

that uses and is trained on data about you. And it's multimodal. It's looking at your emails, messages, Google account, photos you've taken, things in your Google account to be able to tell

the story of your life. Yeah. And it can guess a lot about you. It's of like a i need to make a video a personal biographer in a way oh my goodness and i kind of think that this is sort of a response to apple's journal app that's sort of my hot take on this because the apple journal app it takes a bunch of information from your phone like it can take your health data and they can take like a bunch of they can take your text message if you let it and they can take a bunch of random information and like use that to prompt you about like what you did that day and what you should be writing about and in a way like apple is trying to have

you keep a more detailed timeline of your life which they will probably prompt you to do something with that information in the future. And it seems like Google is kind of trying to do a similar thing, because it already has like in Google Photos, you've got the like, on this day, remember this thing, and it creates these videos and all these things. And at the end of the day, people are all different,

but they're not that different. And so it can kind of, it said it can guess what your hobbies are based on a bunch of random stuff about you which i can see no way it's going to guess that i like watches and stuff not at all that's it's not like it's just half the photos in your google photos yeah no not at all half the receipts in your email or like shipping notifications no i think that part doesn't seem that hard actually no that's super he already probably knows all that stuff this is i, one of the biggest things here, at least for people who have, like,

we all had emails before Gmail, right? We were all. Yeah, I was on KOL. KOL, baby. What is KOL? Kids online. I had comcast.net. Comcast, I had a Yahoo, I had an AOL.

Yeah, all of Hotmail, all the fun ones. So, like, it won't have any of that, so i guess it'll only go back so far yeah um i did get a gmail in super early beta though did you yeah what's your i don't want to dox you do you have a you're just never mind i'm not gonna dox your email i don't want to do that sorry we'll bleep it what's your email address is it cool we don't know it was like 12 never mind that's totally fair totally thinking about old screen games is one of the cringiest things i could ever think of the cat lord on all my gamer tech honestly i think that's pretty sick yeah um but yeah this like it's funny you bring it up versus google photos and the like remember this day because i think that's one of the coolest

things ever like i actually showed how that works to my mother-in-law this weekend because she was talking about like doing albums for her son's wedding and stuff like that was like google has all of this in your phone already just name the faces and like it'll auto do it yeah this is so cool it's a little scarier going through my text messages and emails and stuff like that and um the funny thing is if i'm talking to a friend and they're like remember when we did that thing like when did we do that like i don't was it in april of last of like five years ago like it might have been and i'll be i'll just be like i'll just look at my google photos and look at april of last year or you could just literally search for whatever yeah or the place or the thing find it right yeah it's really good

i found restaurants that way where we were like oh where did we eat again and it's like i look for the picture i took of the food or something like that or the menu or something yeah and then it'll just like have the gps location yeah yeah so now they're just asking permission to do all of that for you which yeah i think the reason that there's no guaranteed it will be released to the public is because they don't really know what the public perception of like take everything about me ever. They will have to really package this nicely. Like one of my biggest, not pet peeves,

but one of the most annoying things that I get asked to do multiple times, which is this is a very unrelatable thing, is to write a short bio about myself. I hate it. Can you just give us a headshot and a short bio? And I hate writing that bio. Me too. I never, and I've been able to just ask ChatGPT for a bio of myself. That's what I do.

Most people can't do that. Yeah. So this is your short bio right here. Yeah. For the Vox Media podcast website, when I had to write one for Waveform, I asked ChatGPT to write one for me and it did. There you go. This one would have been a little more, yeah.

Yeah, if it's doing like hobbies, it would probably see like, you seem to be starting a new hobby. You've already stopped doing this one, this one, this one, and this this one maybe we should put a little more research into this eating routine too which i'm like i don't oh it's gonna like pick your eating routine no it can like it can guess what you're eating routine i'm guessing it's like what foods you eat the most or something that's and it probably takes that from receipts of like uber eats receipts or like photos of food that you eat a lot i guess if you're doing a lot of that yeah like david loves you buy something with like the card and google pay yeah if it's just doing my photos it's gonna think i'm eating like the sickest meals because i only take pictures at

like yeah restaurants i've spent like years waiting to go to and stuff like that andrew loves five-star meals every day yeah seems like he only eats once a week but it's always amazing like caviar yeah we got a lot more to talk about it's that time of year but of course we should take a break so before we do that trivia i haven't heard this noise in so long trivia so first question caster and pollux are two bright stars in the northern hemisphere that make up what constellation no why did you choose this is a tech question it can be is that oh i know uh that's a tech question i see what you did there me too got it got it i have no idea i might as well just be on leave again

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after we talk about it again. I don't think it will because the trial is over now. Okay, so it was a big trial that lasted many, many months and the result was fascinating. Why don't you it will because the trial is over now. Okay. So it was a big trial that lasted many, many months. And the result was fascinating. Why don't you tell us about it? Yeah. So basic top heavy headline. I don't even know what I'm supposed to be saying here.

10,000 foot view. 10,000 foot view. Top level. Thank you, Adam. Macro. Epic sued Apple and Google. The Apple trial happened a couple of years ago the google trial just happened and just concluded and surprisingly epic actually beat google at this anti-just trial

which is a big deal they do a fortnight dance at the courthouse the head lawyer to get you up to speed about all of this stuff, back in 2020, Apple suddenly removed Fortnite from the App Store. And the reason they did this is because Epic kind of randomly, like spur of the moment, implemented a separate payment system inside of the Fortnite app on iOS that allowed you to purchase V-Bucks, which is their in-game currency, for cheaper than you could if you just used Apple's in-payment system. So that was against Apple's terms of service. Correct. So they kicked them out of the App Store for it. Right. So they kicked them out of the App Store.

But within like a within a couple of hours, you guys probably remember this happening. They were ready. I was just looking back. We have like five separate documents of us talking about Apple versus or Epic versus either Apple or Google all the way back to episode 98. So over 100 episodes ago. Yeah, it was 2020 when this was happening. so they got kicked out of the app store and then epic basically filed this 84 page lawsuit or 65 page lawsuit pretty much immediately that was like apple is a monopoly

google is a monopoly and they also released this crazy video from this 1984 apple commercial i forgot about that. Which they parodied. Like in Fortnite, right? I think it was just on YouTube. No, but they parodied it using Fortnite. And it was called 1980 Fortnite, which is a great name. So using lawsuits as PR is like a thing.

For Epic. That's true, that's true. It's a thing. Yeah. So Tim Sweeney and D brand would be the only two. Epic was arguing that Apple was operating an effective monopoly with the app store because they don't. Apple specifically doesn't allow side loading. So you can't like load on any other app stores onto your phone.

And they get to completely set the rules of like how much things cost. And they get to completely set the rules of like how much things cost. And for people that don't know, anytime that you buy anything or do any sort of payment inside of any app that you downloaded from the App Store, which is the only way to get apps on your phone, Apple takes 30% of the revenue, which is a lot. That's why we talk about Apple tax all the time. Right. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. Exactly. And when the App Store first got launched, this was actually kind of seen as a deal because Steve Jobs, when he introduced the App Store, was like, well, normally developers get less than 50% because they have to package things in physical retail boxes and handle shipping and distribution and all this stuff.

And so 30% is actually a steal. But clearly over time, that became less and less of a steal scale yeah and so the trial lasted a long time but eventually the judge handed down a ruling that said that apple was mostly right and could enforce its rules on epic because epic signed the developer agreement and then a few years later was randomly like wait but you have a monopoly and it's like well you signed on to this like you didn't have to sign on to this but they did find apple in violation of california's unfair competition law uh which ordered apple to allow developers to put buttons external links and other calls to action to allow consumers to purchase things inside of the app but then apple appealed

it and it's probably just going to be an appeals court for like the next forever. I think that's an interesting point, too, and why I think the landscape has changed to where the 30 percent feels tougher because like the way we've also sold games is so much different. Previously, if you had a package as a game for 50 bucks and if you were to buy it online and got a 30 percent split, it was once. But you make so much more money on games now when they're free to play with microtransactions so like now it's not just you get someone to pay 50 bucks and that's your last thing you ever get from that person every people dump money i am a valorant player i've played league of legends you play dota i'm sure yeah it is very easy to spend 10 bucks

i probably every couple weeks 70 a year on dota. Yeah. Which is not a lot. I mean, I guess it's kind of a lot. It's super easy to do it, yeah. The thing is, I don't even mind it because it's like, if I'm playing a game for that long that it stacks up to me tossing 20 bucks at it, like here and there, I think it's worth it. But then when Apple is getting 30% of that every single time, that

chunk is gigantic. Yeah. So Epic lost the apple case they had to pay apple a couple million dollars which sucked and then apple lost that part of the case but then because they appealed that nothing actually happened so nothing happened great but then they also sued google because basically the same thing happened they also take 30 but that was a different kind of trial because the first trial was just before a judge. This trial was with the jury. So it was like public opinion versus one person. A big reason this trial was a little bit different, too, was that they found that Google was giving special

deals to certain giant app developers to make them pay way less and they were they were offering uh companies like spotify and netflix like oh you only have to pay 15 or like they went to some people and were like you don't even have to pay at all just like beyond beyond the google play store but they were only doing that bespoke to a number of different app manufacturers great yeah uh and the big thing that really swung the jury on that one was that they found out that like Google had like they had these operations that they called them where they were like getting together a team of people at Google to try to sway these app developers into joining the App Store with a lower fee and that kind of stuff so it was like a concerted effort to have this unfair ruling and then also uh they auto deleted all of the messages they sent about these projects they didn't know they were guilty but they accidentally deleted all the evidence of them doing it yeah got it i was originally when you start this off with apple one yeah and then google loses yeah it's like

what's different but that does seem yeah quite a bit different especially the like special privileges to different ones it basically makes it which kind of is like what the market is like though is like but then you have to like play this game of like you want me give me special privilege versus like i would like to be on the Google store and I'm just going to get a worse deal than everyone, which seems, I don't know, dumb business decisions and just annoying for the consumer. The competitive landscape kind of, I don't want to say forced Google into that, but if you're Apple, you can sit there and say, look, we've got the biggest app store. You want to be on the app store?

30%. What are you going to do? Apple, you can sit there and say, look, we've got the biggest app store. You want to be on the app store? 30%. What are you going to do? If you're Google, you're like, oh, we would love to compete with Apple. But some of these developers are just making their stuff on the iPhone and not on Android. Come on, please make one on the Android stuff. We'll do 15%. We'll do 5%. And then maybe they start to get more of those deals. So they're trying to do that to be competitive. But now it's a totally different landscape. And that's why it's coming back to buy it's crazy to me that they specifically went after the big app developers to give them a

lower rate because like wouldn't netflix and spotify need to be on android if they want to have any kind of market share in the world like i also wonder if so net the way netflix and spotify work the amount of money you're buying and putting it or like paying inside the app is so much different but you're much more likely to have a netflix account if you can watch it on your phone yes spotify account if you can't use spotify on your phone but when you sign up for netflix or spotify do you sign up on a computer on your phone therefore yeah do you get tat do you get the give it up anyways and then it just auto-renews. So the amount of money they're losing on that

is probably so small so they give that opportunity because they know they're not losing much where if you are Epic and there are kids that play Fortnite on their phone, they're buying skins through that because that's where they buy it all the time and that is a lot of money to lose. It's a weird thing, but you shouldn't be going

individually to other companies yeah and then deleting your emails about it and then not giving that deal to other people yeah so google losing this case was actually like a pretty major deal because there hasn't really been a successful antitrust trial since like the 1990s with microsoft uh the judge did not rule yet exactly what google is going to have to do because they lost but they lost on all counts so they're probably going to have to reduce the uh the the percentage that they get paid which is going to be really dumb if apple doesn't have to but google does but that just might be how it is um and then they already allow side loading of different app stores because you know there's like the samsung app store and

like all these different things but they pop up messages when you side load things and say this is potentially really unsafe which i think is fair because you know they can't control what you're side loading and if you say i think that's dangerous but but apparently that would seem as unfair so i don't know they lost it and uh the judge is gonna apparently decide in january or february what they're gonna have to do for losing it pay a lot of money oh and change some stuff i think it's gonna be more than paying money yeah you're just gonna try to appeal it again it's just so weird hearing google lost on all accounts and not thinking they're just gonna delay this and nothing will actually change but i'm assuming it does i also would say if we wonder why they

would have to put the percentage down and apple wouldn't my guess is because there's proof that google has which proves that there isn't one specific fee if apple is actually always keeping 30 no matter what yeah then i guess they can at least say like it's the same for everyone where it's like well google you changed it up you, well, Google, you changed it up. You reap what you sow. Apple did preemptively add some stipulations to its things, uh, between the beginning of the Epic trial and ending, I believe where developers who made less than $1 million did like only had to

pay like 15% or something like that. But that also makes up less than 5% of their revenue from, from it. Anyway. So yeah, I think in january february we'll we'll see how this works but it seems like it could have some pretty major implications because you know these two app stores are basically how we get all of our information in the world when we're not using a dedicated computer i think it's also when we first started talking about this i was like this is gonna last so long fortnite is gonna be a completely dead game by then but man epic has done a great job at keeping that game super super relevant and popular it's probably

going through one of the biggest like spikes ever right now and people are playing it it's the most i've ever seen people playing fortnite again since it like first popped off wow so they're doing something right over there they're finally turning into their metaverse that they wanted it to be when metaverse was a popular term they're turning into a really good game with a lot of different options to play things i mean they just launched like a lego version and a racing version and a rock band version oh yeah there's so many cool yeah, the biggest thing that happened was they brought back the original map, which is like...

Yeah, but they got rid of it, didn't they? I think it was like a... It was a temporary thing. Yeah. Yeah. The one that I jumped out of the bus in YouTube Rewind. Yes.

Is this what you wanted? Nice. So, yeah, we'll wait to see what happens in January, but that's a pretty interesting story. We'll see that. We'll finish this up in episode 300. Yeah, basically. All right. One more thing. Uh, we did get to revisit the Apple vision pro. Right. Uh, and what we did was watch spatial videos and look at some

panoramas and photos just using the photos app and the vision pro. So at this point I've used a vision pro several times now, uh, gotten fitted to my head several times, put it on, taken it off several times. The same things keep striking me about it, which is this thing is built so well. This thing is so heavy. And this thing has an incredible set of displays. Like those things keep hitting me over and over and over every time I use it. Is the eye tracking weird every time? It's very intuitive.

Yeah. It is so intuitive. Like I have my hand in my lap and I'm just looking at stuff and just selecting it. That's still super great. Yeah. But what we got to do is now look at

some of the photos and videos that we'd taken on our own iPhone and there's an iOS 17.2 update that's out now where if you have a, I think it's a pro iPhone only, iPhone 15 Pro or Pro Max. Yeah. You can take spatial

videos on your phone they must be landscape because the two cameras are next to each other and the difference between them gives you the stereo spatial depth whatever shoot a bunch of spatial videos and got to watch them back on the phone basically they look pretty cool still a little gimmicky i don't know that i'm going to shoot everything in spatial now just because you have that ability it does knock you down to 1080p the one thing i'll say is the spatial effect the depth effect is super strong when you're within like one to three feet of your subject so you get up close to something a subject a kid a pet something like that then the spatial effect becomes very dramatic

and you're like, wow, this is so different and so 3D. But if you're just looking at someone five feet away or across the room or like a building or a land, whatever, it just doesn't look that different. I have a quick question about this. Yeah. You said it's only for the 15 Pro? Yeah.

Not the 14 Pro. Correct. Which also has three cameras spaced apart. Okay, the reason. Yeah, give me the reason. Okay. the reason. Yeah, give me the reason. Okay. Tell me. Yeah.

The environment. A16 Bionic. Yeah. So they moved the orientation of the cameras. So in order to do this, you have to shoot parallax, which, and if you have to shoot parallax, you have to have the same plane where the wide angle camera and the main camera sensor are. They have to be in the exact same plane. wide angle camera and the main camera sensor are they have to be in the exact same plane and then they have to crop into the the wide angle camera to be the exact same shot basically as the main

camera so the 14 pro it was telephoto on the bottom and wide on the right and now that's swapped so those two are in this it was either telephone on bottom and white on the right or or it wasn't like perfectly aligned with it well so the two left most cameras need to be the wide and the ultra right so that was not and they also need to be like on the exact same plane so this is the first set of cameras that they actually satisfy all those things right can shoot spatial without some crazy computational so i was just gonna say there's no way they can do a crazy computational solution google would figure that out yeah it would be like half as good but you'd be like whoa that's impressive computationally yeah and apple is just going get the new phone i already know how you could do this computationally

but yes it would be yeah like i get that it's not on the same plane but the angles differences doesn't change from phone to phone yeah but it would have to it would have to interpret the shot differently you would have to do warping and like you have to like hire people to like figure that out and stuff apple's leaner than you think. Yeah. Well, yeah. So that's the reason it's only on the Pro models right now, because the regular iPhone 15, it's diagonal to each other. So the rumor, the big rumor, because usually what Apple does is they introduce a new feature, and it's only in the Pro but not in the regular one.

And then the next year, that Pro feature comes in the regular one and then the next year that pro feature comes to the regular one the big rumor is that next year the regular model will still only have two cameras but they will be linearly aligned instead of um uh diagonal that begs the question though they're going back to what it used to be like yeah it's kind of funny yeah that's true here's another possible solution the regular iphones never get it and you only have a pro because it's the vision pro pro iPhone for the vision pro. Yeah. We don't have regular Apple vision yet. Oh yeah. Here's one step further. The 16 comes out and they disable it from the 15 pro. Don't count it out. I got you out. So what were the panoramas like? So I got to shoot or look at a bunch of the panoramas. Essentially there's two ways to view a panorama. One is it's up on your wall and it's just this really wide image, which is cool.

And there is a little bit of a parallax so you can sort of look into the edges of the panorama, which it's cropping out a little organically. And then the other is you hit the panorama icon and it fills your view. So if you have a really, really wide panorama, way wider than two by one, it will fill your view

and you can literally turn your head and look 180 degrees at the entire picture as if you're in the scene not too dissimilar from remember when you took a street view photo you remember what they called photospheres not too dissimilar from photospheres okay interesting just without the top and the bottom right so it's that interesting okay yeah huh how long until they put this in the sphere in vegas in this year well this you need a sphere sphere you need like at the top and the bottom was what made photospheres so cool man i miss photospheres me too those are cool some of the first google photos images that i have at all are photospheres and they are nightmare fuel because the stitching

is because the stitching is awful and people move around. And there's like one video where like my friend and I, like I'm the top half of the body and she's the bottom half of the body. And it's really disconcerting. They could bring that back with way more computational smarts and they could be amazing. Yeah, totally. They could do it. They probably will. Because all of this VR, like AR stuff, I would imagine that there's going to be more of that. Because Apple's doing that with a 2D panoramic image.

But Apple could easily have you do a full capture. I could picture a world where on the next iPhone or with the next Pixel phone or whatever, you just stand in place and kind of like scanning your face-to-face ID, you just point your phone all around you like a magic wand. And once you've hit all the spots, it'll stitch it all together into this like photosphere. It's literally, it's a great name. It's a sphere of photos stitched together where you can just look around this image that you're in.

And now that they have wide angle cameras, which they did not have back in 2016, or actually that was like 2012. The photosphere was early. I was using it on my Galaxy S3. Galaxy Nexus for me. Yeah. I never used one.

It wasn't that, it was at the time. I never used one. It was not, it was, at the time, it was pretty niche. Yeah. It was like, wow, you know how you can like step in like the Google Maps,

like, like look at Street View stuff? Yeah. You can take your own. Yeah. And for like the six of us nerds, we were like, I can take my own.

Start taking them. Yeah, it was sweet. Yeah. Do you know when they killed Photosphere? Is this a, not a trivia question, just random.

I remember them killing it um when did they kill it i'm surprised they did they don't usually do so guys that's what i thought so turns out they got rid of it right before the pixel 8 oh which is very recent very you could go find a like pixel 6 or something to me that says they're gonna update it in some really fancy way are you saying it was still in the pixel 6 apparently yeah why it was somewhere deep in the settings or something that's crazy huh i should have been taking them all these years yeah i could put them in the vision pro when you search google photosphere it just says google and then the link says photosphere it says no information is available on this page. Then it says learn why.

Learn why. Oh, another little news blurb. So originally the Vision Pro, the rumor was it was going to come out in March and now the rumor is that it's going to come out in January. Which means we're only a month away. I'm ready. Which I'm ready for. I'm ready. I'm excited. I hope that's a correct rumor.

Hopefully that's a correct rumor. Yeah. I can't wait I'm excited. I hope that's a correct rumor. Hopefully that's a correct rumor. Yeah. So, yeah. I can't wait to come back and you guys are in the metaverse. I'm going to have to start doing neck muscle exercises. Like I said, I wore that thing for 15 minutes and I was ready to take it off. You can do the F1 thing where they pull on your neck. Yeah, I need that.

I need that. I need the F1 exercise. Sweet. All right, we've got to take a quick break. But before we do, one more trivia question question number two google just released their new large language model gemini named after the zodiac sign it's twins so with that twin theme in mind where did google how did Google arrive at the name Gemini for their new large language model? And I have some multiple choices to guide you guys. A.

To trick us. The merger of Lambda and Palm 2. Those are both previous large language models by Google, right? Or maybe just transformer models. Doesn't matter b it's the merger of deep mind and google brain which if you may remember we actually covered in another trivia question yeah and i got it right c show off it's a reference to nasa's gemini missions which paved the way for the ap missions. Or D.

Google secretly created a virtual environment where Lambda and Palm 2 could argue about the name of Google's new LLM. After several hours of closed-loop processing, they came to the name. I really hope it's that. That's what I wanted to be. It's really bad. That's just how they make all their decisions now at Google.

Incredible. That'd be amazing. I'd use man. That's just how they make all their decisions now at Google. That'd be amazing. I'd use that. Yeah. That's a fun one. Don't know that one. Cool. We'll get to the answers at the end of the show, like usual. Be right back.

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All right, welcome back. Since I've missed a few weeks, there's a couple things I saw you guys got to talk about. And I thought maybe we could go over a couple of them that I have a thought or two on. You've been dying to chime in. I've been dying to chime in. I also haven't had the chance to watch all the episodes, so maybe I'm repeating. But when I look through the notes, it seems like it was something a little different. So see your thoughts on it. See if you disagree with me. See if I'm just repeating the same stuff. It's like a best of but for four weeks oh yeah actually the first thing can someone grab the stand by me go oh it's set up it's a set yeah oh you haven't seen that i haven't seen yet i saved i saved it when david was out because i really wanted david to be here and then my daughter

came and then i missed the week that we did it so but i still wanted to make sure david's here something the next thing i have is the humane ai pin which i missed even though we've been talking about for a very long time and i kind of well the thing is is i kind of before mentioned my biggest issue with it which is the thing so many tech things have tried that's using a camera to try and calculate the amount of calories or macronutrients or stuff of food. Yes. I do not think this is possible with any technology that we have right now. Because there are way too many variables to ever be able to do this.

Hear me out. I will, but I disagree. Combine all of the tech we already have. Plus. With just vision. With vision. all of the tech we already have plus with just vision with vision plus google's alleged technology that knows so much about your life that it can predict the way you would prepare that food no because what if you go to a restaurant it knows what if you have the wrong cooking oil at home

that day it knows you're at a restaurant because your gps location when you ask but how does it know what they know how does it know how they use how does it know the average it won't be that dish it won't be exact yeah but it'll be closer than which feels like not the reason to be counting like nutrients like you generally are wanting to be pretty precise and i'll say with the with like the almond example right theoretically what you could do is you could use the vision to semantically understand these are eight almonds, eight almonds, and then fetch nutritional information for almonds and then do the calculation and then come back. It doesn't currently do that. Are they salted? Are they candied?

Are they unsalted? Even in just that situation, which seems like the easiest one possible. Yeah, that's a wildly different amount of Marquez is right. Like we have the technology to get this done, whether or not like a camera, you know, if you have to. No, no, that's what I mean. I think you need some sort of like blunt force driver to homogenize the food. And then you put it in a chamber that has a sensor that can sort of chemically detect what was going on. put it in a chamber that has a sensor that can sort of chemically detect what was going on. And then for the nutritional value,

it would get sent to another chamber that would use acid to render it down into its core parts. Isn't the way we find out caloric is like it killed someone before? We could have a large language model take all that info and explain to you. Yeah. And then probably just eject

it at the end. It just needs a robotic mouth that chews the food and figures it all out from that and then yeah baby birds it'd be so funny if you went to a restaurant and you're like oh i'll have my ai tell me the full neck the macronutrients and then a full humanoid terminator eats all of your food and is like of robotic mouths did you guys see this thing on twitter the other day where someone built a full-on robotic mouth that measures the force it takes to eat certain foods? And they did it on a Cheeto, and you can just see it slowly adding more force to the Cheeto, and the number is going up until it explodes. That's kind of awesome. Yeah.

I did not see that. Yeah, so now they know the exact amount of chewing force that it takes to eat. It's a hydraulic press, but for chewing. Yeah. Cool. Right. But yeah. I just wanted to say, speaking of black mouths. Yes. of chewing force that it takes to eat it's the hydraulic press but for chewing yeah cool right but yeah i just wanted to say no no but i think you guys covered everything my thoughts on the ai pin but that food thing i just they're like the june oven tries to figure out stuff that's inside of it's not even telling me calories and it's wrong 90 of the time that one just has an

offline catalog and a camera and it's like does it look like the thing i know even with an, there's just so many different variables on type of oils you're using when you're cooking. Are you frying it? Are you baking it? There's just way, way, way too much to ever. And then, like, I feel like at a certain point, if you're being that vague about it, I don't think you care about counting calories that much. Yeah, I feel like you could potentially take the like generic food, you know, you could have a eggplant Parmesan and it searches what are eggplant Parmigians, let's take 10 of them take the average calorie count of 10. But like you said, like, I mean,

the problem is, even if you're manually trying to do macro counting and stuff, if you go to a restaurant, you literally cannot, because you cannot have them give you the exact list and the exact amount that they make things with like that will just never happen so you're already guessing so my fitness pal is not super you know specific um so i think my like biggest issue with it was just in a not very many examples of their video that being one of the felt bigger examples and i just don't think it's possible or like useful also currently i would never ask a large language model if there's something i'm deathly allergic to that seems unless it's just straight up like i'm holding peanuts and i'm allergic to them

good to know it's like when people say are there is there a b in in the word blueberry and it's like no or if you just like point it out a tray of brownies and say are there nuts in these and it doesn't see any on the surface no and then it's full of nuts and then you die yeah it literally can't tell from vision it literally can't tell yeah that's why you need to turn it into the liquid like ellis said yeah just have it digest it for you and then baby bird it to you that's perfect we also we have the stand by me go over here yeah um it is on the producer table right now wow Wow. Wait, Ellis, rotate it to be portrait orientation. Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God. It's so cool. It's so cool. Okay. For audio listeners, there was a portrait photo of Ellis on the Stand By Me Go when it was in landscape. So we figured, let's turn it to portrait so it'll be the full picture and it shrunk the picture so it's still in portrait but playing landscape on the actual monitor oh my god that's funny i still love it i dig the color a lot yeah we're using it in an upcoming video to be a fireplace which is yeah we got a u-log and the speakers play it's really

heavy did you get to i haven't yet let me hold it one second. Oh my god. If you hold it closed with the handle, it is so heavy. It's lighter than the other briefcase thing we have, which is a scooter. 40 pounds. It's lighter than that. This is 30, yeah. Oh, it's still 30? Yeah, it's still 30 pounds.

It's really heavy and it's very dense. The camping influencers that they used I think was the perfect use case for this thing. Yeah're not really carrying it you're more just like packing it yeah keeping it in with your luggage or whatever right sure it's still heavy as hell though yeah yeah all right i just held it it's heavy yeah i yeah i don't know i could like kind of see it as being a cool thing to like if you have at your house and you have people over and you wanted to play like jackbox games like outside on the patio or something like that how much is it again a thousand dollars okay maybe not this or the moto compacto i vote moto compacto every day it's so cool same price they're both a thousand there's also some really nice i think asus makes them portable usbc

monitors they do they're like150. They're way thinner. They're way thinner, way lighter. Like computer and OS and UI. You know? Cool. You gotta hook something up to the Asus monitor. No, that's true. You could just connect to your internet connection and watch YouTube videos just

going off like a king. No, you're right. You could just have an iPad. I was thinking much more like professionally you know like you show up at a gig and you want a second display well it's in a briefcase so it's professional yeah yeah paint it black and it's real professional there you go all right i still hope that that's how people do crime money exchanges through crypto is they bring their their crypto wallet on the standby

me go and they can still plop it on the table and open up the case and show all the money off all right the next thing i have and maybe this so the sam altman ceo debacle i missed that completely that sounded like a fun lucky you i know i'm not that it was very confusing it's a lot i guess i just don't know much about sam altman it seems like people were pumped that he's back did you watch the episode i didn't it was the most insane like friday to monday experience of mine yeah i watched you guys freaking out on slack it seemed like a lot it was yeah i just want everyone to remember that this guy made a weird orb thing for confirming when you're buying crypto it's like a crypto dmv yeah i just thought that

was world coin you don't remember this vaguely there's this orb that that he brings around to people and it scans their eyes to like verify their id and then you use that and the the pitch of world coin is that eventually when we hit agi and nobody like needs to work anymore crypto is going to be the way that we like that we transact for things and so you have you're gonna have to have human verification and the only way to do that is through retina verification i just don't get it and i can't believe it just surprises me that the person who did this is also the person that's running one of the arguably the most. Are you surprised?

Like technological advanced things going on. And is also a huge doomsday prepper. Wow. We know a lot about this guy. I didn't know that either. Casify. I missed that whole thing. That was fun.

That seemed like fun. Bastion of originality it was like one of those things where i had the exact same thoughts again it's like well this seems copied but it's also just the internals of a phone and then the just all of the evidence of the exact same things being stolen yeah and in such a worse quality and beings i can't believe i mean i know a dbrand case is 50 bucks but i can't believe there's a case in Best Buy where people would probably just like walk by and buy a phone case and it's $75 and people would buy that. He just says like an on the $75 phone.

I can understand people maybe buying $75 phone cases, but as like a little cardboard kiosk thing at like Best Buy when you're just walking by it. Yeah. I'm surprised. And it could be me. It's worse quality. I think that is a best buy decision i don't know what the wholesale price is but best buy decided that that was a 70 some dollar case yeah that that was a whole that was some fun drama yeah to to watch and uh see kind of the entirety of the internet take the same side

dbrand also always just makes legal stuff very entertaining lawsuit as pr yeah welcome back yeah yeah it was fun that's and it's hard to do that unless you are very in the right yeah and if they can pull that off and everyone's on their side then something well the fact that the case to fight people like didn't realize all of the easter eggs that they added in so they had like robots and like 11-11-11. It really seems like the most low effort possible thing for that company to do. I think the one thing they took away that they definitely thought was an Easter egg,

but didn't want it is like on the Samsung battery, I think it said like sub and then on one of the ribbon cables and then they put gribe under it. So it said like subscribe. So they probably just thought it only said subscribe and they changed that to the Casify logo but really the sub was actually real and like but right next to it was the one one one one and they didn't take that away so like you know they even actively tried to change things on there to make it not seem stolen they did more effort to try to

change this badly than it would have taken them to just go do their own thing unfortunately and then like kind of this I thought was really funny but you guys did talk about Grand Theft Auto and having like wild numbers I don't think you talked about but the thing I found the funniest about this whole thing was

Linda from Twitter tweeting like why aren't you posting this on Twitter yeah we talked about that okay but but like did you talk about how it was just so like the whole discussion on twitter was a bunch of the developers being like we had this whole thing planned tomorrow we were going to watch the launch of it we were going to have a great day celebrating and twitter's the one who leaked it and like twitter being at least ruined their day and it all got leaked and now the ce CEO of Twitter is like, hey, why don't you post it on Twitter instead? Look how many impressions it got, which just felt like a slap in the face to the people

that were like so excited and got something ruined through Twitter. On one hand, it's clear that people on Twitter really want to see it. On the other hand, Linda, read the room. Yeah, read the room. It's just like it feels like another thing that Twitter is now just run by people that do not understand the platform at all. And I know that's more specific and she's got a lot of other better things to be doing probably but like someone probably should have been like they probably also got way better ad revenue on youtube oh i'm sure and and you the youtube numbers

crushed the twitter numbers yeah and like i trust those numbers way more than i trust the twitter the twitter numbers were all like impressions. Yeah, exactly. Just means they scrolled by it. Here's the thing about that. The YouTube one, I mean, it was a very raunchy video. I don't think it probably did very well with ads. Oh, that's a good point. But I don't think Rockstar cares about ads either on that.

No, that was a full PR. They could have served Bluetooth ads. 100 million views is 100 million views, no matter whether you have ads or not like that's what you're there for yeah uh so that's interesting that's a good point thing yeah who knows so my biggest gripe about that was just kind of like it felt like a slap in the face to the people who were saying like this kind of ruined our day right of launch yeah and then being like well why don't you come over here it's like because you kind of just ruined it um and then the last thing i had was beeper mini but i feel like we kind of talked about that a little bit already um i mean what's your opinion it seems like i think my biggest issue and this will stem based on whether rcs coming in the future if we know it

has encryption or not but we're seeing a lot like beeper being like well apple doesn't care about encryption for their users when they talk to people on android um but it feels weird doing that after rcs was finally announced because that's the play google's been doing for so long and it took so long yeah apple's they can't be on it feels like you can't like at this point that's not the argument anymore like they should have encryption on both sides but that should be coming hopefully um this is also though coming from somebody who has never used iMessage. And if I had the opportunity to use iMessage on my Android, I wouldn't. This is one of those, I was going to ask you this. So if Beeper Mini worked perfectly exactly as advertised, would you use it? No,

but that's nothing against Beeper Mini. I just, I don't care. I've never used iMessage, so maybe I don't know what I'm missing. Because there's a couple of things, like you might have a family member who sends you pictures and they're all super blurry or you might have a that's the biggest thing right now I can react to things with RCS now yeah I guess the video stuff but I usually also I have a lot of family members on Android weirdly enough my mom

my aunt and uncle like a lot of them and so that you can send full res videos of the kids and stuff and it's fine we just have a Google album that we share yeah that's the easiest thing i think when i was in college both most of my friends were on android and on the west coast in california most people use facebook messenger so none of it was a problem wow it's yeah yeah facebook messenger in california is like overwhelmingly popular whereas on the east

coast here it's all iMessage weird yeah so slowly those friends all transitioned to iPhones which made my life a little bit harder um and then I also just don't use Facebook Messenger anymore so almost at all yeah more you know yeah didn't know that so yeah that was just my quick recap obviously you guys covered a lot of stuff that I wasn't that deep into if i can go through all of it in a third of an episode but just thought i'd throw some uh opinions out there that i'll probably get roasted for so cool yeah glad i did that glad i i get to go home now take care of the kid and read mean comments let's do it well we should get a couple more mean comments

to the answers to our trivia questions so uh let's do trivia my answer is just use whatsapp the other meta messaging app yeah correction from last week's trivia before this week's trivia oh um we said last week that the fastest production car or excuse me the first production car to hit 200 miles an hour was the dodge charger daytona but some people informed us that while you could buy the dodge charger daytona with the hemi 426 that set the record the version you could buy at the dealership was not tuned to go 200 miles an hour so while that car in its configuration could could in theory go 200 miles an hour and was documented to do so the car you buy at the dealership would require a little bit of tuning to get right um and probably better brakes to make it safe so do we know the real answer to which was first to 200 it seems like it was a ferrari for about

20 years later um that you could buy i was hoping it was the answer that i put the untouched and it would just go i'm not giving you any points because i'm fickle no i was wrong i had the baguette of aaron so i was wrong but trivia question number one caster and pollux are two bright stars in the northern hemisphere that make up what constellation are you sure it's not jackson and pollux nope it is not that's a president that's too that's not a president no that was andrew jennings yeah it's an artist it's an artist also that uh whole ferrari thing that i did not realize was going

to be such a controversial question because even the things we were looking up online people were like it's hard to find the right answer to this yeah that sounds like we just picked a super yeah we are a super crazy anyway flip them and read i don't know very many constellations so i just wrote gemini we all wrote gemini but i also put the little google ai logo that everyone uses for some reason really no i'm joking correct i you guys all figured out in the first one i didn't figure it out till later in the episode and then you had like a light bulb moment so quick update on the score after that marquez with 17 cool andrew with one two carry the one 13 now hey and david with 16 what's was david's last job

sorry i also want to become more annoying i'm gonna throw this out here real quick marquez's answer to my twitch handle was wrong but warranted it was my old in-game name from when i first started playing halo till like probably sometime in college probably like 10 plus years it was too correct it was too correct you were too deep in the andrew lore yeah dang it dang question number two according Wired magazine article, where did Google get the name for their Gemini LLM? A, a merger of Lambda and Palm II. B, the merger of DeepMind and Google Brain, which we covered in another trivia episode. Trivia question.

Trivia question. C, a reference to the NASA Gemini missions, which predated and paved the way for the Apollo missions. Or D, Google actually created a virtual environment where Lambda and Palm 2 could argue about the name of Google's new LLM. And after several hours of closed loop processing came to the name of gemini how why were you writing for so long because he was doing that thing where he read the letters block case maybe they're always very impressive thank you you're welcome they're always very impressive thank you you're welcome i'm not confident about my answer at all neither am i i'm fairly confident i hope we all put different answers i kind of think we all put the same answer no we didn't let's see your same answer what is that wrote sigh no c oh i wrote d because i just want it to be true. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. D? Sorry.

I put C. I also put C. That is correct, but it also represents a merger of DeepMind and GoogleBrain. Wired cited both reasons. Does that just mean because they were twins, sort of, and they became one? Yes. So what's the updated score? Marquez with 18.

David with 17. And Andrew with... One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13. I missed it, to be honest. 13, maybe. 13. 13.

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Thank you. I mean, David, thank you. You're welcome. I'll do it. I'll do it it it's meatball day i had meatballs yesterday