Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Google's Pixel Watch and Talking Magic with David Blaine

Episode Date: April 29, 2022

Marques was out for the day but thankfully he pre-recorded a chat with David Blaine about magic and Youtube. For the rest of the episode Andrew is joined by David Imel to discuss the latest Pixel watch news and to give an update on the Apple repair program. Links: MKBHD x David Blaine video: https://bit.ly/mkbhdxblaine David Blaine magic class: https://bit.ly/BlaineClass Android Central Pixel watch story: https://bit.ly/ACPixelWatch 9to5Google Pixel watch story: https://bit.ly/9to5PixelWatch Twitters: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 https://twitter.com/DurvidImel Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Shop the merch: shop.mkbhd.com Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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andrew and i'm marquez are. You sound different. Oh, got him. Got him. Not for video. You got stuck with me today, nerds. Marques is out. Yeah, we've had a pretty crazy week. Marques is out. David and I are coming at you on Wave Form today. Yeah, but David Prime, not David Blaine. David Prime. David Blaine will be coming at us in this episode. It's true. It is true. We are going to kick off today's episode with a David Blaine, the uncut interview with Marquez. He put something on his channel, but he has the full one here. They sat down for a while while David Blaine played with cards and told him his whole kind of story arc.

Told him his fortune. Yeah. You were here when he was here, right? I missed it. It was very weird. There was a lot of weird magic going a lot of did you get that uh tattoo on your hand no i did not i got pretty disappointed like 100 dms saying that i needed to get that tattooed onto my hand wait can you explain that for the

listeners yeah so we were hanging out with david blaine and he did not get near me at all he was maybe like five feet away from me the entire time and then he told me to open my hand and there was an eight like in marker on my hand after he randomly drew an eight out of a deck i don't know i it was pretty i i wasn't here but if anyone thinks that was fake the amount of times i've heard these guys talk about how it happened proves to me that it definitely tricked them. They were not in on that at all. I'm convinced that he is actually a dark wizard

and that he has a few tricks that he'll just explain to people to make it seem like he isn't actually a dark wizard. He has the sleight of hand tricks to make up for that. Yeah, because he never tells his actually insane tricks. Sure. I don't think they're tricks. I think it's just magic. We also have Pixel Watch Rumors apple repair program and of course stick to the

end trivia question answers will be there first off we kind of have to mention it um elon musk buying twitter the deal like was approved yeah still going through yeah still going through it's a broad spectrum of things happening right now. There's a lot of stuff going on with it, a lot of different sides of it. The thing about it right now is it's all speculation, right? Like, what's going to happen? Pretty much.

I actually tweeted last week, like, wow, not even daily podcasts can keep up with what's going on. Yeah, exactly. I think, like, if we were to attempt on Wednesday to say something, it would be done. It would be outdated. It would by friday yeah um this is probably already going to be outdated yeah exactly so we'll talk about it sometime in the future uh we'll see what happens because a million things could happen or almost nothing could happen even if he does buy it so we don't really know it could they said that the deal should go through by the end of the year

but that's a long time yeah it's we're in q2 right now so we've got some time okay cool so maybe you'll hear us talk about that next year possibly yeah next year right yeah um all right cool so we're gonna hop into the david blaine interview stick around it's super super interesting especially if you haven't watched the youtube video yet um and we'll be back soon all right david i have so many questions for you. I guess last time we spoke, we were in the middle of the desert in Arizona. You had just come down from this balloon trip from, was it 20,000 feet? How high did you go? I actually went to 25,000, which was on my watch. But he yelled, no, no, don't pull you up after he said, go, go, go.

And it was really, so registered as 24 nine on there. Okay. But I was at 25 on my watch. I was on the ground. I could see everybody like talking to you and like the whole broadcast set up. And that was a fun time. But you know what threw me for a loop? I'm happy it was safe and it was for my daughter and she was there and I wanted to keep it

happy and fun and all that stuff. Yeah. So the dangerous part of the stunt was really in the training, not in the actual stunt itself. And the part that I really was concerned about was the recovery afterwards, obviously, which is, that's where the whole team was around to think about that. Yeah. But i wanted to go higher than anything on earth so mount everest was 29,000 feet a little more than 29,072 feet or something like that yeah and i guess because the fa and everybody suddenly thought that i was going to go hypoxic because i wasn't doing the proper

o2 breathing so suddenly i'm being remote popped down and i can't keep i'm like where come on what's going on i want to keep going so anyway but it but it was a lot of fun and because they were able to remote pop everything yeah they did as soon as i deployed jumped down they recovered the entire rig that was a high-tech experiment like i got to see the like the aftermath of like so you jump out they've got the remote control and like tracking of this huge rig essentially an aircraft it continues to fly they they lower it to the ground they recover it like i got to see all that happen yeah i was very impressed with the amount of tech happening even though at its core it's you with some balloons which was amazing but if it was just me in the balloons, then it would have actually been something that I wasn't

into because I didn't want to just leave balloons to go float away and like destroy the invite, you know, whatever. Just go pop in the desert. Yeah. So that's that. So the big, big team and all the work really was on how do we recover the rig? How do we bring everything back down? Which is they remote pop every single balloon and then lower it. So, so, so you put that on YouTube and one of my favorite things about like, I'm pretty sure I've found, and I'm sure a lot of people watching this have found your magic on YouTube somewhere. And if I look back far enough, you're easily one of, I don't speak to a lot of people who have been uploading to YouTube longer than me, but you were one of the first people to

like blow up on YouTube. People know David Blaine magic from YouTube. Yeah, it started with YouTube. So how did you, why did you decide to put stuff on YouTube? Cause I know my answer, but like sharing magic with the world. I felt like the medium was, was changing. So I felt like the natural progression and now it really is now the only way people look at things is on their phones, which is unfortunate, but therefore there's also the fortunate part, which is they have lots of access to anything that they can think of. So you can learn anything from anyone, anyone, anywhere in the world at any time, which is really speeding up the process of the learning

curve, which is amazing. But now there's YouTube, Instagram, tock which i haven't figured out yet i'm so it's so it's so we're on the same page with tick tock i think yeah yeah but no no but i'm not against any of it because i actually like all of it but it's just i have my brain hasn't understood how to do that yet because it's like with YouTube, it was kind of like magic was perfect. Cause it was like, here's a trick, here's a reaction. Boom. That's really that that's, and that content is quick and it's gratifying. But then, you know, it, it started to move to like, there's no time for anything. It has to be like the fastest trick and the fastest reaction. A couple seconds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Quick hits. I mean, I, I remember I've,

I've seen a lot of your videos and magic and that was, that was actually part of the entertaining part was that takes you into a sort of a rabbit hole and you just watch as many as you can. You can't get enough. And the reactions from people when you do a trick to them and blow their mind is, I think you, you described it this way. It's like this universal language. Like everyone has the same like primal mind blown reaction to a good trick. And YouTube lets you share that with way more people than if it was just one at a time. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. It allows you to, to, to reach anybody anywhere in the world, which is incredible. So now there's a sort of a new chapter because I've seen all these tricks and all these incredible things you've done.

But you've now decided to make a class and actually teach magic. So I've been reluctant forever to do magic kits or do any of those types of things, which is ironic because my mother's a teacher and my brother's a teacher. So they're both teachers. So I always do understand the amazing and important effect that you have by teaching people stuff that you worked really hard on. But I was still reluctant because magic is such a confusing area because these secrets are so powerful, but you don't want to just give them away because that's part of the art itself. So every time somebody said to me, though, could you teach me a trick? I always feel bad that I can't. You know, it's like I want to. Of course I want to.

And often I do teach them something quickly. Like I'll be like, here, I could teach you something. But that's not really good enough. So the idea of being able to create any kind of class that I wanted with studio, which is Max called me up and he was, he understood all about magic. He did all of his research. He could perform magic. He also learned how to play chess so he could play Magnus and he lasted quite a few moves against him and he learned how to memorize a deck. So when he showed me all these things and he said, well, I'll do whatever you want to make this class something that's incredible and amazing.

Yeah. It was very difficult to say no to that. And I know if anybody wants to take the class, they're not just going to get the secrets. They're going to be they have to actually enroll. They have to, like, commit to it. It's a month long class. So the idea of a student trying to learn some of the things that were what got me started, some of the basic things in magic that I love, I think that was kind of the

inspiration. And that's what led me to agree to do this. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there's an incredibly high number of people that I could think of right now, who, if I said, if you could learn David, if you could learn magic from David Blaine, would you, would you take that opportunity? And I think that I'll say yes, but it's really hard for you to take that time to teach all of them. It's kind of like the same thing you were just saying, like, I want to take the time to talk to everybody about tech, but I don't have that amount of time. So being able to put out something actually good and like that you have control over and that you can really make amazing and share this with as many people as possible is that's like 2022 David Blaine. That's pretty sick.

It's dope. I also want to ask you, like, how do you decide what stuff to share in the class versus what stuff you continue to work on and evolve? stuff you continue to work on and evolve? So most of the stuff that I share is actually for beginners, for people that are, you know, beginner intermediate people that want to be able to like walk into a situation and do some magic and not, you know, it's, it's, I think it's such an amazing art form and it's so, it's so such a deep dive into psychology, it's technical, dive into psychology, it's technical, it's math, it's science, it's logic, it's all these things combined. And there's a philosophy behind it. So I feel like the people that come into it,

I feel like they'll have a new appreciation for the actual art of magic itself, actually. I think like you're gonna suddenly realize oh wow when this magician's doing a trick he does it's a lot of work it's not just like he's doing this quick trick that has no meaning and it's like oh he learned it for three seconds and now he can do it it's like oh wow these guys all these magicians out there work really hard at their craft and it's special can confirm i mean you're seeing it now but you've taught me a little bit i've been working on the tricks i can't even do this every time

yeah but you learned it fast wait let me see if i can do one right now what is it called again charlie a cut yeah you learned it fast is there a person yeah there you go yep perfect it's not it's no you just did it but you learned it fast but that's the that's the the next the next phase would be like this oh see that's just and the next would be like this these are the ones that but these are the ones that i don't go into teaching because these are you know that this is this is different i do like the those things the evolution of a trick like here's level one here's level two here's's level three. That's, that's sick. I am also like, I think we talked a little bit off camera about this, but I feel like I learned a lot of how I communicate ideas through making YouTube videos, like getting

creative and like public speaking in a way. Uh, I, I gave us a talk to some, some Googlers at this thing. And, you know, I came off stage afterwards and somebody said, that was amazing. How often do you public speak? I was like, that's the first time I've ever done that. But I was really just in like video mode. Um, I'm curious, like does, does performing magic sort of have a similar effect for you? Do you find new ways to communicate things? Does that help you in other parts of life, even just developing these tricks and working on stuff? Yeah, a hundred percent. So the idea of just learning how to feel confident enough to

go out and actually try something, and then it is a performance, it is public speaking. So there's a technical part of it that's really, you know, difficult that you can master with repetition. But then you have to learn the other part of it, which is how do I go out there and communicate this? And that's the part that's the most interesting to me because everything is really just a trick. But when you apply what your meaning is or why you're doing it or who you're doing it to or how you can relate to that person then it becomes something much deeper and much more interesting yeah and you've you've done like these tricks to almost any person i can name has experienced some sort of incredible magic who's your uh who's your favorite reaction you've gotten i mean you know there's so many amazing reactions but you mean on somebody like well-known or whatever?

Maybe you did a trick and you just were like, I can't believe this person loved the trick so much. I mean, I was once at a dinner with a dear friend of mine and Mickey Rourke and Tupac. And, you know, Tupac, we were at Cafe Tabac and he was smoking at the table. So he's a little buzzed and I start doing magic to him. And the next thing I know, I look over and he's like on the floor laughing, like kicking his legs like a little kid. And that was, yeah, that was a pretty, and he's also Tupac, you know, so that was a pretty exciting reaction. But there's all kinds of reactions that I get that are amazing.

And sometimes it's the opposite. It might just be somebody who's completely still, like a kid that I did magic to in a barstow. And I made a coin disappear off his hand. It was in my first show. Oh, I've seen that. Yeah, yeah. And he just stood there. And he's like, cool.

And that was all. And I obsessed over him. But, you know. And then I wanted to put that trick on ABC. And they were like, no, it's not his reaction. I was like, this is the best thing. And then after that, I think he got a Taco Bell commercial or something that's an iconic and that's all over youtube that's exactly that's what i'm talking about see and then what was funny was those spoof videos that came

like not that long ago like 10 years ago or something you had those like david blaine street magic videos those guys did you enjoy those you got to watch those as it came out that was some of my favorite videos now that now that guy mikey day has a he got a a lead in snl after that that's incredible that's incredible so yeah you know magic these types of things they're they're all creative i view you as a creator basically this is what i'm saying like you you put stuff online you adjust the way you present you you're creative in the way you combine things and you're able to to make something new and that it's like amazing and you get to share with people and that's like inspiring for me so i appreciate that thank you yeah who have you not yet performed a trick for

that you want to that's a good question i mean there's a guy named gregory perlman who i'm obsessed with. And he won the Fields Prize. He's like a mathematician. He lives in St. Petersburg. And he's like one of the more famous recluses. The other guy would be JD Salinger. But Grigori Perlman is like, he's unbelievable.

As a matter of fact, he turned down the prize of a million dollars for solving an impossible conundrum that took him, you know, once he solved it, the math community, it took them, I think, 12 years to even realize that he was right. So when they gave him the million dollar prize, he turned it down. And finally, a reporter found him, they say, living in a cockroach infested apartment on his mother's floor. And they were like, how could you turn down a million dollars? What's wrong with you? Like, how could he do that a million dollars? What's wrong with you? Like I could eat it.

And he said, please don't bother me. I'm busy picking mushrooms. So that guy would be pretty amazing to go through. I think so. I think so. We'll try to make it happen through the power of YouTube. We'll see how long that takes. But David,

but hold on. I want to say one other thing, Marcus. So, so like I said, I always try to teach people magic. Yeah. Right. Like I'm always like, but I, hold on. I want to say one other thing, Marquez. So, so like I said, I always try to teach people magic, right? Like I'm always like, I would, the way you are with your hands and your ability to learn, it's, it's, it's mind blowing. It was a very fast learning curve, as you know, and I reacted to that. So it just, that was, I was very impressed, you know,

and, and, and once again, that was part of my excitement in the beginning was just, that was, I was very impressed, you know, and, and, and once again, that was part of my excitement in the beginning was just, I know you're so athletic, you're so smart, you're so talented. So seeing the immediate learning curve was inspiring. And then you pulled the stuff off quickly. Yeah. Yeah. No, I, I had the best teachers, so I definitely had a pretty, pretty good headstart there.

Yeah. But you, you, you're, you, the way you learned it and the way you pulled it off right away. We did it to your crew, did it over Zoom, and you improvised and you came up with stuff. So that, you know, for me, that's worth the whole thing right there. Like watching you learn and adjust and come up with things. And it was fun. Yeah, it's fun. The improvisation part is the hard part but it is

a lot of fun yeah but you were like throwing people you're like oh make sure i don't have some special things i can see through the camera but the odds the tech stuff the odds yeah no it's all fun it's all fun all right so every podcast everyone we have on the podcast right we give them a keyboard yeah and we just say type the alphabet A through Z. Wow, and I'm slow as f***. I am slow. You might be surprised. Oh, no, no. I'm slow.

It's perfect. Having your name on a leaderboard is going to be great. Slow, but I'll do it. No, but I mean like beyond slow. You're going to unpack, right? Yeah. I've got one foot here, of course. Totally fine.

Are we recording already? All right. Ready? Go for it. All right. Chicklet style. Double digit. Single digit.

Come on, man. That's fast. Is it? Single. Nine seconds. That's not fast. That's. I was getting like 25 second seconds. That's not fast. That's, I was getting like 25 second vibes.

I'm not a typer. That's pretty good for not a typer. You're not, you're not last. I'm not, this is not my thing. No, 9.7 is slower than 9.4.

9.7. All right. Well, you're still single digits, which I don't think is the worst thing in the world. Save it. Hold on. You can hit another one.

Enter. You want to hit it again? Let's just's just see go for it I'm not gonna see once you start addicting Let me do it again. Hold on. Bumped it down a little. 9.6. Hold on. Sub nine. All right. I'm counting that. We're counting that. My 8.2. 8. eight two eight eighty two eighty two lucky number you

go we can say you're lucky with numbers but i think we know at this point you're gonna get a good number anyway eight two well done all right appreciate it thanks for coming on we'll catch you guys next time all right welcome back uh Looks like dark wizardry doesn't really help typing. No, you know. Unfortunately not. Some people have better things to do with their lives. I don't know if that's a diss or like a pro to not be good at typing. I spent like an entire summer just like trying to get better at typing.

Just because I was really into mechanical keyboard in 2014. Same here, same here. I'm sure a lot of people can relate. Yeah, definitely. Let's do a trivia question. Oh, boy. This is your first trivia. I mean, it's only my third trivia question,

but let's see what Adam's got for us. So there's a twist today. Because Marques is out, David, whatever score you get is getting added to Marques's score. Don't kill me, dude. So you better come correct. Okay. First question. When did Tesla release

their first car? Okay. I think I have an idea. And I'm probably very wrong. Marquez would have gotten this. How could you do this? He's going to listen to this after and slamming his steering wheel.

We're going to hop on a after and slamming his image. That's exactly why I chose this. All right. We're going to hop on a quick ad break and when we get back, Pixel Watch, I know you're excited to talk about this. Cool.

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We are going to talk about Pixel Watch. Something we've definitely never said on this podcast before. Just kidding. Probably like 30 different times. Yeah. It seems like. Would you say this is the closest we've gotten to seeing a Pixel Watch? Yeah.

I mean, we saw what is allegedly an actual Pixel Watch in the wild. And this thing has been rumored for as long as i can remember probably since i started working here i mean i i am pretty sure that after the apple watch came out everyone probably started talking about the pixel watch but it's been years now since the first render started leaking and like there were rumors it was going to ship with the pixel 6 and then it didn't and now there are rumors that it might ship with pixel seven but we might see rumors of it at i or uh we might see like a intro to it at io okay that would be interesting so well was that io last year where they talked about like the partnership with tyson is that like samsung stuff i think it was where they were like outside and it was eerily

quiet because of covid yeah yeah well they also shut down uh the air traffic over mountain view that was definitely when they talked about their partnership so that was kind of to me that made it feel like maybe i should stop thinking about pixel watch because it made it seem like they gave up and they're just like let's work with Samsung instead yeah yeah I mean they kind of the funny thing is like Tizen is quote-unquote dead but they sort of made Tizen into Wear OS okay and Tizen was a lot better optimized than Wear OS like Wear OS generally was just kind of laggy but so it looks like Wear OS but it has like a lot of Tizen features okay anyway um Wear OS is very different now than it used to be yeah yeah um but like you said we saw one yeah sort of or we think we saw one it's kind of the classic the old iphone

left at a bar yeah literally left it apart there's this wacky story that happened um where this guy basically left a pixel watch prototype at a restaurant so the story goes that this guy's friend works at the restaurant and he found the pixel watch and he apparently held on to it for a couple of weeks but nobody came got came back to claim it yeah so then he gave it to his friend who is apparently like self-proclaimed tech nerd yeah i think that's what he called himself yeah online and then he posted about it on on reddit and it got pretty big it got pretty big and then obviously everybody there's a million articles about it because wearables are hot yeah yeah especially pixel watch he posted a bunch of

photos of his like wrist with it on and all these things and i think the craziest part about it is that it looks pretty much like all of the renders that we have been seeing for literally years yeah it it does look very similar to some of them. Some of the most recent renders we've seen since Google acquired Fitbit had that very Fitbit rounded, like really domed rounded edge on it. I think it looks so much like the Louis Vuitton smartwatch

that we have. Yeah, it does. Like the Louis Vuitton watch. It's like super domed and they actually do a kind of cool thing where it like bleeds to the edges and you can see it

from the sides. But isn't there a picture like of the bezels on this one? Yeah, there's a thick bezel on this thing. So I don't think it's going to do that.

Yeah. Yeah. There were some leaked renders that may or may not be real. Again, like everything that's leaked is speculation. Yeah. But some photos

from like a PowerPoint presentation that said like almost bezel-less speculation. But some photos from a PowerPoint presentation that said almost bezel-less design, but then you look at the photos that the guy took photos of and very not bezel-less. Yeah, and so... It might be a touch-sensitive ring, though. Like ring on the outside. That would be really cool.

Have we seen that? I think the Galaxy Watch 4 non-classic has a digital ring. Okay, that's really cool. Could be wrong. to be wrong I think so double-check that yeah but so alright he found out a bar yeah gave it to this guy yeah it does not turn off correct so he tried to boot it and it shows a Google logo yeah and that's why it's pretty much like oh this is like a pixel watch prototype okay and there's also like pins on the side that probably will not be in the final design. So it's almost definitely like a internal version. And it had a box too.

And the box was like, this product has not been certified with the FCC and like all of this. Someone left the box at the bar? Yeah. I did not. It was like with the whole thing. And on Reddit, everyone was like, this is definitely a planned leak. And I don't know. so i don't think so but i definitely there's a storyline i could see where this would be planned and my biggest speculation there is how he like he posted it and then he's like oh

yeah my friend forgot to give me the bands to it and then made a whole second post of it like then on his wrist yeah i mean i i think this guy is is telling the truth i think it's legit also yeah whether or not somebody like intentionally left it at a bar and then didn't come back for it like if you if you leave something like that at a bar you should probably be looking for it yeah um why bring it in the first place yeah yeah that's probably be checking leave it in your car don't bring it in a restaurant why would you bring it in a restaurant it's so strange it's there's minor skeptical yeah there but anyway he tried to boot it it showed the google logo and wouldn't get past that so people are thinking that it has doesn't even have an os on it right now okay um but then it died and there was no charger with it so he had no way to like recharge it to try to get to the logo again

and all that stuff um but yeah like his friend did have separate bands that were in another box that were in a separate box and it looks like it's a proprietary band system just like the apple watch okay um which is like good and bad i don't know how much support for bands google is gonna have that's sort of the thing with the apple watch is that like they release new bands all the time yeah and i hope the third party ecosystem of bands would get good on the pixel watch because the apple watch third party bands there's so many people make them on etsy exactly and they're all really good and you can get really good ones for really cheap yeah so we've talked about it before i was using a braided loop from etsy and it's fantastic where funny enough i

got a a different band for the garmin watch i'm wearing right now that was third party from etsy and i was like reaching down to tie my shoe and it just this right now is the normal one it just fell off because garmin has these little connector pins that i don't think are great and when you're third party making that, it just bent and just pulled the whole band off. So yeah, I was thinking that like third party bands are awesome. There's a million of them. But when you're Apple and you have that sales number,

they can like way more people are going to make those and you can find better ones where then you're looking for third party. And for whatever reason, every first party band feels like it costs an arm and a leg. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It hurts to buy, like spend 80 bucks on it dude they're so expensive it's crazy and the nice apple watch ones are a hundred dollars yeah it's like and you can get almost this exact same quality on amazon or like on etsy for like 20 bucks and it's really a bummer it's great to do that because like you're wearing a watch all the time you know switch it up every once in a while. Have different colors. That's like the fun thing.

It's also a great gift. If you're a friend with an Apple Watch, an Apple Watch band is like one of the best easy gifts you can get somewhere. Yeah, I think people have been wanting a Pixel Watch for so long because the Apple Watch has been so dominant. There have not been like a ton of great Android Wear, well, Wear OS smartwatches. The Samsung Galaxy watch 4 is definitely

pretty good and probably up there for like one of the best alternatives if you want a wear os watch so considering google partnered so intensely with samsung on the new wear os and then apparently on this pixel watch that's going to be a big deal the rumors are actually that it's going to be a big deal. The rumors are actually that it's going to be running an Exynos chipset. Okay. Which is good news in my opinion because most of the Snapdragon Wear chipsets in the Snapdragon ones just have terrible battery life, bad performance. They've never been great. They went a super long time between the first generation and the second generation chip

and then the second generation chip wasn't that much better and it was just like, oh, it was such a mess. But considering the Galaxy Watch 4 has pretty darn good performance and decent battery life, lasts a little over a day, I mean, it would be nice if it was better. Quick question there. What would you say is an ideal watch battery life? I mean, ideal for a smartwatch, I would love at least two days. But the Apple Watch right now is like a day and a quarter.

Yeah. And I think that's about what the Galaxy Watch 4 is as well. Okay. I like go back and forth on what I think is good. So I've been trying this Garmin for a month. I mean, those last four ever. It's insane. Like working in one week, or I had an eight-day battery life on this for a week.

And that's with like four or five of those days with at least an hour of working out and tracking, which I thought was incredible. But at the same time, it's too clunky. I don't wear it to bed, so like why do I care that much? So it's nice. Two days feels like perfect to me. You can forget a night of charging it and be okay the next day.

You know what's always been weird for me is the Apple Watch, like it has all these sleep tracking features, i would never wear it to sleep because i need to charge it at nighttime because it's almost dead by the evening true i also and i don't know if this is only me if you put your arm under your pillow and you're wearing a watch like ever i hate it it'll like wake me up because it gets stuck on the pillow like sliding your arm under it or so that's why i feel like i can't i didn't like my apple watch when you're typing with a ring on or a watch on yeah yeah weird yeah but i think everyone's just been like really wanting google to have for sure already like ecosystem parity with apple and there's the pixel buds but they're pretty buggy there's no pixel watch and they have chromebooks so like right now they don't

really have device parity but if they can get a watch out hopefully they'll get closer it's just that apple's had almost eight generations to improve before google even released one for sure i mean it was the big talking point also with google doing its own chip in the pixel this year which was like you know everyone always says apple's got their ecosystem because they're making their own stuff so now google's making it are we going to get there so it it tracks onto there you know you did say they do have their chromebooks and there is some minor connectivity like there's minor connectivity so hopefully pixel buds could get better but pixel watch feels like the big yeah like device and wearables are really hot so yeah but i think a lot of people the reason people a lot of people say they're staying on iphone is

like i message and the apple watch like so many people get attached to the apple watch because it gamifies fitness in such a good way yep um yeah so apparently there was a reference to the pixel watch in a recent pixel update that I've Google found. It is codenamed Rohan, which could mean a couple of different things. One, it is the fictional kingdom of men in Middle Earth. OK. In Tolkien's world. Interesting. And then it is also in Japanese.

It means accompanying do. These are just things I found on Wikipedia. And so I was like there's multiple like possibilities of what it could mean but these are the only two things that sound feasible and how i accompanying do would be like oh it comes with you and it's sticky so it like sticks to you like it's it's accompanying your this is like i like no no i like it i like it i don't know i'm like totally guessing i mean you're talking about a bunch of like software developers and stuff that make some crazy good yeah so that wouldn't be i wouldn't be surprised like they yeah all the

pixels are always like marlin and like they're all fish yeah they are a lot of fish yeah um but otherwise you have rohan lord of the rings i don't know uh but yeah anyway they might be showing it off at io and then releasing it with pixel 7 that's like the current rumor I don't know if that's the case but considering they like already had a hardware unit in the wild it's probably pretty close to yeah I think

that sounds totally plausible especially with talking about watch stuff last Google IO and then we're Google IOS two months away coming up pretty quick really soon away uh it's may it's actually really soon i think it's in a couple weeks so we might see it pretty soon yeah yeah so that'd be dope if we saw it soon okay ideal pick what right now in this new pixel watch what would be like a key feature that would make you super excited for it and and like we are also you know this has been

rumored for so long the it will never live up to the hype right i think we can agree with that we've been talking about this for how long i think that's most pixels to be honest like this year it's gonna be the year but you have the best you have five years of nothing pretty much of like first generation everything is so clunky though it's gonna be tough but like what's something that would look really promising on this to you i they need to match apple in terms of like the fitness stuff that i think that's gonna be what keeps people in it and with google fit already yeah and they've got a head start google has done a pretty good job of making their fitness stuff more robust like they had this whole campaign

like get fit with google either last year or the year before i think it was 2020 actually i think making their fitness stuff more robust. They had this whole campaign, Get Fit with Google, either last year or the year before. I think it was 2020, actually. I think it was, too, yeah. And they revamped Google Fit, and it's nicer now. I don't think they have team... They might have team stuff. I don't know.

There are a few, because I'm using a weird thing right now. Google Fit works in the challenges app that we use. We have found it's a little clunky, but that's challenges. That's not Google Fit. But there are a lot of ways to connect things to google fit which is kind of awesome i think that they they're gonna need they're going to need ways to compete against your friends and they're going if they added group competitions yeah take one step up that

would be one step up on apple so um and maybe force apple to add it but yeah i don't know the design right now is i know a lot of people like round smartwatches. So that's good. But that bezel is very thick. It looks thick. It looks tall, which is usually a gripe of mine. Yeah. On watches.

I like like it thin. I don't like it to be huge and clunky. I think I'm screaming internally because he is like the tallest watch. Well, this is a cool watch. That's like a nerdy smart watch not what did uh mr wonderful told marquez these watches are all 20 off retail or something like that he's a not a big smart watch fan yeah he said that when he walks into a room and someone's wearing an apple watch it tells him that they're 20 off retail like whatever deal

you're about to get you can get for 20 cheaper because they're wearing an apple watch oh wow interesting okay watch snobs don't love smartwatches yeah i think it's the safe bet there yeah um but yeah oh yeah exciting so you think we might see something about this possibly in may yeah i mean that's that's the rumor they're not gonna do that i'll burn you at the state that's just all that's That's what it, that's the rumor. I don't, I'm just retelling. No, no. I think this is fun. We've had, as much as we've talked about Pixel Watch,

we've had twice as many opportunities because there are renders all the time. Like we've said, this is the closest thing we've gotten to actual feeling like it's there. Seeing a thing actually in the wild is like, this is definitely coming up. It also, and it just has that fun old tech news nostalgia feel of the iphone being left at the bar like we don't get that very often it's usually leaking themselves so yeah if this was planned out it

was brilliantly planned yeah and i'm all here there was a funny reddit comment someone was like oh this was definitely left at a bar and someone's like isn't it weird that someone knew what it was like they seems like they would have left it and no one would have known what it was and they would have just like thrown it away or something and then someone said like this is probably the 25th one they've left just hoping there's some nerd walks over

and sees and knows what it is yeah totally I'm excited for what the next thing will be able to fall out of Sundar's pocket while he's doing IO maybe that's how he'll announce it or he'll just be

wearing it yeah just wear it don't say anything I could see Hiroshi doing that yeah Hiroshi was like using

Hiroshi was using a galaxy fold like during the period where they had to where everyone needed to return theirs

he just kept using it he's the best yeah theirs he just kept using it and like he's the best yeah he's just been using a fold forever that's amazing yeah so in a way this is kind of giving me like moto 360 vibes because in a way the moto 360 was sort of the original pixel watch the flat tire it was the first well it wasn't the first android wear smart watch uh because there was the lgg watch that came out i had that i loved it it was so ugly it was like square and had huge bezels but then the yeah the moto 360 came i remember and it had the flat tire of course but that was such an attractive smart watch it was

so nice i think i bought 10 of them really um which yeah that was way back in the day when i was a poor college student and had no money. That definitely tracks by 10 smartwatches. And I was like, I'm going to sell them to all my friends. So I, yeah, I like stayed up till 2 a.m. and like ordered a bunch and then sold them to all my friends. And we all just like were the only ones wearing smartwatches because it was like one of the first smartwatches. You guys are probably the coolest kids on campus. You could say that.

You could say that. Yeah. But yeah, I mean mean that was such an incredible smart watch and in my opinion had a much nicer design than this and that was like what 2013 i think that was 2013 possibly 2014 max it was it was a long time ago they've had a few iterations since then but they haven't yeah they had the second gen that was a little nicer and then the third gen was made by a completely different brand. Oh, was it?

Yeah, they just took the, they like sold them the brand name or something. And then someone else made it. And apparently it was decent, but still made by someone else. We never tried it. We just never got time to. Maybe I'll give it a shot. I never minded the flat tire thing. And that was like the peak days of Facer.

Do you remember Facer? I do not. It was this app that you could use to like design your own android faces cool and it was like this whole thing i made all these ridiculous android wear faces that's that was back when people were making like fallout faces yeah everything right yeah yeah the boy with the arm that would tick yeah Yeah. By the way, it was 2014. Okay. Yeah. Cause I was a freshman in college,

but it must've been after Christmas, I guess. I just remember that IO. Oh yeah. It was IO. I remember the IO and I was like, that was the most stoked I've been about anything. That might've also been the IO where they announced Google glass.

One did a little better. Google had a lot of, yeah, that's true. That I hope to get as much hype from this physical device as the Moto 360 but I still think the Moto 360 had a superior design even with the flat

tire even I mean yeah that's just nostalgic at this point it's fun so trivia question oh right you ready for number two? I forgot. Yeah, yeah. They kind of sneak up on you once you get to the second one

and then we answer at the very end. Yeah. Okay, okay. Trivia question number two. Oh, boy. Andrew does not use Chrome or Safari. He uses Mozilla, Firefox. What was it originally named?

Oh. Yeah. It was not originally called Firefox? Nope. Wow. I used to live like right down the street from Firefox. Really? Yeah.

And they were definitely Mozilla. Save this discussion for the end, please. Oh, sorry. Okay. We're going to take a quick break. Yeah. And we'll ponder this a little bit during why you listen to ads. And we'll ponder this a little bit during why you listen to ads and we'll be right back. Support for the. Make it invisible. The Agency. New series now streaming exclusively on Paramount+.

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I just remember that a couple of weeks ago I was with Brandon and he like broke the back of his iPhone and we went to the Apple store together

and he brought it up to the employee there he was like so what about that self-fixing Apple repair like program

and they were like I have no idea what you're talking about and so we came back to the studio and we were like wait wasn't that supposed to be a thing and the people gave them like a ton of props for like aiding right to repair and all those things yeah i'm pretty sure we're all eager to give them credit for any right to repair just because we want it to actually happen but but it did release this week release this week um so it's so it's finally here this is after samsung and google

both just released a partnership with ifixit and i believe also like valve and microsoft were doing stuff as well it seems like repairability is becoming a thing and i do think a lot of it has to do with potential repairability scores coming in in other countries and hopefully to the u.s but so they announced it they have when you go to their website there's now a self a self-repair link i guess that leads you to you read the manual first then you can order the parts it's all pretty i want to say straightforward repairing stuff is never straightforward it's not an easy task straightforward um did you get a chance to look at any of it i did look at the manuals um they are pretty well designed manuals they are uh but i think the one thing that people

are pointing out is that it's you're only saving a little bit of money if you do it yourself so for a battery it's 60 to just get a replacement battery at apple and if you buy the battery repair kit it's like 59 but if you send your old battery back, they give you like a $20 discount or something. Now, is it $50 for the battery? $60. $60. So it's like $49 for the rental stuff, right? Do you need the rental stuff?

Oh, maybe not for a battery. Maybe I'm mistaken. I don't know if you need that for a battery. They have like a kit you can get, though. For the battery? For everything, I believe. Yeah, for everything. Just to everything open it up some of the things on there are super intense yeah there's like a whole press for the screen for the screen and there's the one there's a different one to take the screen off it looks like it's like two feet by two feet by two feet big thing that would

have to go on your desk and it basically is it like warms the screen up suction cups it and then pulls it off i imagine that it's probably for repair centers that are not like official apple places that want to do it for other people that's what i thought but there is a part in their newsroom article that says um the rental kits will ship to customers for free so the fact that they're putting the term customers in there um and it also says apple tools available to customers on self-service repair store are the same that are used by apple repair network wow so situation yeah can you imagine just being like i want to save like 20 bucks i feel like the shipping on that is going to cost apple more than 20 bucks it feels kind of ridiculous and if we want to jump back to what you said about price we were sort of talking about this right before the podcast started it seems like this is sort of a reason

a way for apple to say like hey we will technically let you do this yourself and you will save money but the delta is like 20 yeah which i think and that's if you send your old part back if you send it back i think we agreed i think Mark has agreed with us. And I saw a bunch of comments on Reddit is like you're saving 20 or 30 dollars, which seems totally reasonable for labor for someone else. That's insanely cheap for labor, especially for something that's like a little difficult and you could potentially break your device. Yeah.

That's why most repair shops are like one hundred dollars, because if they break the part, they have to buy another one. And then the time it just the time it takes like that's why most repair shops are like a hundred dollars because if they break the part they have to buy another one and then the time it just the time it takes like that's gonna take you probably an hour and you have to be really careful and if you want a week if you go to a store you might be able to have it same day and most of us don't have a backup phone or like or the time to wait for first like a press a screen press to ship to you and then learn how to do that i mean if you're able to use that press to fix other people's devices is that the case or do you have to send it back within a specific i don't know there also was uh on the site a part that just showed the flat out price for some of those i believe they're like two to three hundred dollars

which i thought was kind of cheap cheap so i'm wondering if they're also doing that to help potentially stores who are non-apple authorized stores people like lewis rossman and stuff like that to have some of the genuine parts um i'm gonna have to listen to his speculation this whole thing to see what he thinks he's a guy that's actually repairing apple stuff yeah we should probably try and get him on yeah at some time to see what he thinks about this um so all of that felt kind of strange and almost unnecessary not unnecessary but it feels like the harder thing to do to go get it fixed right yeah um my initial thought on this was if we do see repair repairability scores or they're in other places this is going to automatically make their score better right it's going to make their number on that score better yeah which will look better to selling it this is true to automatically make their score better, right? It's going to make their number on that score better,

which will look better to selling it. This is true. Like we talked about on the right to repair deep dive episode, like countries like France will have full repairability scores that are like put on the boxes of things. And on the websites as well, like right next to the buy button. And there was a study that showed a very large amount of people, if a phone were the same price or even slightly different, they would pick the one with the better score, even if they've

been using a device. Yeah. It's kind of like a review in a way. Yeah. Right. And it gives you that peace of mind that you're going to be able to exactly fix it. So it only goes back to the iPhone 12. Yeah. Right now, I'm guessing that's because it was last generation and they maybe don't have I don't know what they're doing with all the parts of the old, old stuff. So I'm guessing that's because it was last generation and they maybe don't have, I don't know what they're doing with all the parts of the old, old stuff. So I'm hoping, you know, when the iPhone 16 is out, they still have repairability for iPhone 12. We don't know that right now. I mean, if you bought like AppleCare is what, three years?

I don't know. I've never had an iPhone. I believe AppleCare lasts three years. I need to double check that. I thought it was two. I'll double check now maybe right but but i'm pretty sure apple probably has parts for iphone 11s they still sell iphone 11s which means they almost definitely have parts so i think they'll they'll you'll probably see

being able to order iphone 12 stuff for a while just right now it's only two generations because it's a new whole new program and that's no that's correct three years yeah three years so if it's three years like if they it's three years, if they can repair your iPhone 11, you should probably be able to as well. And that feels a little seedy because it's kind of like, well, if people have iPhone 11s and they break,

they're trying to get you to upgrade to an iPhone 13 or 14. Yeah. It's going to be the people with the 11s and with the 10s that are going to start needing fixing or just to get a new phone. And they want you to get a new phone. I would venture that would be their reasoning for that is if you're on a four-year-old phone, it's like, oh, you're probably thinking of upgrading soon already. If you're on a brand new 13, you're probably like, I want to get this fixed.

I just got this phone. Whether that's the right reason of thinking or not is another question. I think it would be really fun. We'll see if we can make this happen. It would be really fun for us to try to repair 100 want to do this with with apple products i want to try it with google and samsung i want to see what all of them are like um and what all these kits are like all of this said and done though i mean the fact that you can yes it's good we we might be ripping this apart but the fact that apple is taking a step i think a lot of people are gonna to be super pumped up.

Just the manuals being out, because that's been a huge thing. Lewis Rossman has talked about, I think mostly with Mac books and we don't see that right now, but just seeing manuals of internals of things is I think a good step. Yeah. Um, and I don't think a lot of people thought that was ever going to happen.

Yeah. Especially with Apple. Especially with that. Yeah. Yeah. So all in all, really cool. Like you said, we should definitely do like yeah. Yeah. So all in all, really cool. Like you said, we should definitely do a studio video.

I want to try it really bad. I really want to try it. And I want to see if they actually ship those giant press things or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It'd be fun. But that sounds really cool. And we'll see how it goes in the future. Yeah, I'm kind of itching to the trivia answers.

The itching, you're making me feel like I'm going to itch now. I, the trivia answers. The itching you're making me. Well, yeah, David took a pre-workout before. It was an accident. An accidental pre-workout before the podcast. So he's ready to go. You better get both these answers right and rip the microphone off the table as you do it. I'm going to get these so wrong. All right.

The first question. Okay. When did Tesla release its first car? What do you guys think? Can I give two answers? No. Podmaster Adam here has a strict rule book. I have a guess.

Do you want me to go first? I'm going to go first. Cool. My original, like the first thing that came to mind in my head was 2009. Don't know if that's too early. So my second guess was going to be 2011. But because we can only have one guess, I will go with 2009. And it's going to be wrong.

It's probably going to be 2011. But anyway, that's the Roadster, right? The original Roadster. Because it was a Lotus body. But that Lotus has been around for so long, I could see. It has been around for a bit, yeah. My guess is 2012. Oh, right in between. I could see. It has been around for a bit. Yeah. My guess is 2012. Oh, right.

I guess I also don't know. Did you say this is like when it started selling or when it was announced or it doesn't change my answer. But I think 2012 is when I remember. But I might also be wrong. That might be Model S. That original Lotus one was in such short supply didn't they only make like 50 of them or something i think it was more than 50 but there's not a lot um so like the way

i kind of think about is i first met marquez playing ultimate in 2013 and he was really excited to test drive a model s then a model s oh so 2012 is probably too late yeah Yeah. I'm going to stick with it. My 2009 answer might be. It might. The answer 2008. Oh my gosh. Good guess. Does that make me right?

No. No. What? I was one year off. Still off. That was on Podquiz Rules. He usually gives you one or one year either way.

But this isn't Podquiz Rules... This isn't PodQuiz rules. This isn't PodQuiz, baby. This is Waveform. Dang. Wow. It's okay. It's not yours. It's Marques' points.

Yeah, it's Marques' points, not yours, so it's fine. But he definitely... Okay, whatever. Marques, if you're listening to this, I think I should have gotten those points for you. All right. Next one. Oh, no. This next one I'm not going to get.

Oh, yeah. I don't think I'm going to be able to get it. I have to give you guys a hard one. Can you give me, next one. Oh no, this next one I'm not going to get. Oh yeah, I don't think I'm going to be honest. I have to give you guys a hard one. Can you give me an easier one? Mozilla Firefox was originally named what? I'm just going to say it was named just Mozilla. Mozilla. I've always said

Mozilla. I think it's Mozilla. Oh, I don't know. Mozilla, Mozilla. Oh, Mr. Podmaster over here. I only read this. I lived down the street from Mozilla for like three years, but they always had the Firefox logo out there. I would also wager it was just Mozilla. All right. The correct answer.

Oh, no. It's going to be like turtle or something. Mozilla, I guess. Phoenix. Phoenix. Its first name originally was Mozilla Phoenix. With a PH or with an F? PH. I want to see the logo for that.

Yeah. I wonder why they decided to do a fox. Oh, their old logo is so bad. Oh my god. We'll show it on the screen for anyone listening. Listener, it's like it, oh my, how do I even describe this? It looks like clip art. Yeah, it looks like a duck that's do i even describe this it looks like clip art yeah it looks

like a duck that's on fire like a swan with its wings out yeah that's like like a swan that's trying to intimidate you that's on fire but in like really bad microsoft word clip art i mean it looks like pretty web one point yeah these old ones um yeah yeah new firefox logo much much better very good great logo actually yes i use edge here's do you really on my phone on your phone i use edge on my phone that's even weirder yeah i mean i don't judge people's browsers on phones i feel like i'm sure there's a lot of people who are very dedicated to what they have. I'm not that dedicated. I just want to ruin my life, so I use Edge on my phone, Safari on my laptop, and Chrome on

my Windows computer. I just don't want any of my passwords to be stored. Alright, that was a fun episode. Thank you for filling in for us. We appreciate it. I hope everyone had a good time. I think that was a fun episode. And catch y'all in the next one goodbye friends there we go the peace sign marquez would be sad if you didn't oh there it is that wasn't forced

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