Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - How Much Will the iPhone Fold Cost?

Episode Date: January 30, 2026

This week, the crew sits down to talk about everything from new Apple AirTags to TikTok now being partially owned by the U.S government. Along the way they throw in some talk about the weather and Khaby Lame before wrapping it all up with a fun game that Andrew came up with! It's a long one but we hope you enjoy! Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Links: PR Newswire - Khaby Lame press release: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/rich-sparkle-holdings-closes-acquisition-of-tiktok-icon-khaby-lames-core-company-302658017.html Verge - TikTok banning words: https://www.theverge.com/news/868362/tiktok-epstein-ban-hoax-rumor-not-true-stop-it Verge - The TikTok deal is done: https://www.theverge.com/tech/866437/tiktok-usds-bytedance-sale-oracle-mgx Verge - Samsung Trifold pricing: https://www.theverge.com/news/868190/samsung-galaxy-z-trifold-us-price-release-date-availability Apple - New AirTag: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/01/apple-introduces-new-airtag-with-expanded-range-and-improved-findability/ TechCrunch - TikTok: https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/23/tiktok-users-freak-out-over-apps-immigration-status-collection-heres-what-it-means/ Music provided by: Epidemic Sound Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Mariah: https://www.instagram.com/totallynotabusinessacc Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah, what is up? People of the Internet. Welcome back to another episode of the Wayform podcast. We're your host. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And it's January still, but that doesn't mean there's no news. There is some tech stuff happening. Today we've got a huge Apple announcement to talk about. Samsung Trifold's price got unveiled and we have some thoughts. We also had a US TikTok get off to a rough start and we're going to wrap it up with a fun game. But first. Which one do you want to do first actually hear this? Do you want to hear me rant about Kabi Lame getting acquired? Yes. Or weather YouTube. I want weather YouTube. The genre.

Weather YouTube? Weather YouTube. The genre that is weather YouTube. Oh. I want weather YouTube. I have takes. Okay. Let's talk about whether YouTube.

I think basically my take on weather YouTube, now I'm hearing what you're doing. I think that whether YouTube is tech YouTube. It is such a perfect. I mean, there's lots of. Wait, can you explain what you have weather YouTube? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Weather YouTube. So as you may or may not have heard, we live in the Northeast U.S.

And there's been a bunch of storms here recently, blizzards, in fact, snowstorms, which get really, really hype on social media. And if you engage with enough of these posts, your whole feed just becomes consumed with weather posts. How would you know this, Marquez? Well, because I am one of those people. The last episode we recorded, if Marquez wasn't talking, he was looking at weather stuff on Twitter. Yeah, it was actually insane. And so basically what happens is this, like this winter storm fern, for example, that we just had. was this Super Bowl event where I got to witness all of the parts of whether YouTube,

weather social media, meteorologists, I'll put it that way, on social media. And it is, there are so many parallels with tech YouTube. I'm sure this is true about lots of other genres, but here's how it goes, right? There's a bunch of the big channels, right? They are feasting. They are putting out two videos a day talking about the different models and the different projections and how much snow you're going to get. And if you watch these videos,

they're like 10 minutes long, they're all neatly formatted, and then they just go through and they're like, if you live in Wichita, if you live in Ohio Valley, if you live in northeast, and Iony Five Corridor,

they name every single city as fast as they can so that people who are watching feel like they're a part of it. They're really good at this. They go over the map, they go over the projections, how much snow you could or could not get.

And since it was a big storm, people were watching these videos for updates on the models to see how much snow they're about to get, and it was a lot. That's just like a Samsung event, an Apple event,

Super Bowl for that genre. They all descend upon the place. They all talk about it. Everyone's thinking about maybe I should get this one, maybe I shouldn't, and the big players are all doing their thing like they always do and talking about it. Then there are the like smaller slash newer or lesser known channels that are all doing the same thing, but because there are smaller channels, they need to find angles to be unique in their coverage of the storm.

Even though they're all covering the same storm, you will hear them say, things like, oh, you know, this, I'm going to be more responsible than the big channels and tell you like, you're probably not going to get that much, no. And they like to, they like to talk about something that they found that's not in the other channels coverage because they need an angle in that way. In the same way that we see the same thing when we make a video about, like a big phone and then a week later, there's a bunch of coverage about, yeah, but the big guys don't tell you these things and then you get the same sort of stuff in tech YouTube. Really quick. I, like, auto started my car the other day, and when I was,

my phone's not plugged in, it defaults to the radio. And as I sit in my car, it's just the radio host talking to their local radio meteorologist. And she's like, so what's the deal with this storm? Everyone's talking about it. And the meteorologist goes like, you got to be careful with social media, hype and online. Everyone wants to scare you and scare tactics. And that's going to be huge. And like, you know, they're just doing it all for a bunch of views and stuff.

And like us meteorologists, we know what's going on. And she's like, oh, so what can we really? expect it's good to know that he's like it's going to be a lot we're going to be and just like immediately says everything all the social media people are and I was like there was no point of this story yeah it is it the microcosm is so real there's also on weather uh YouTube there's the traditional channels there's the weather dot coms and the acuethers and the NBC news weather report on YouTube where they will talk about it as well but they'll give like a much more high level less nuanced less personal version of it and they just kind of move on

Yeah. Kind of like you might expect to see a Wall Street Journal video or a CNN video about the new phone, which is not bad. That's just a different style. And that's the same thing that happens on weather you do. And then it all came together for me with this next storm, because as you may or may not have heard, we're expecting another winter event. My car is already encased and ice. I cannot get it out. I can't do this again.

There are a lot of people in that position right now and are thinking a lot about, gosh, if we get more snow, this could be really, really bad. But this new storm is the perfect litmus test for where you are on the spectrum of weather YouTube. Because the storm, according to current models, we're recording this on Wednesday, is not expected to be a big storm. It's going to be a high drop in pressure off of the coast. And it will probably snow in some amount in like the Virginia and Carolina area. Wow, the big weather tell you to say that.

Well, this is just like what we see from the models because that's all we have. This is what meteorologists do. They read and adjust the models and report on what they see. And if you go to weather.com, in all caps in the top of the site, it's like bomb cyclone. Like, this is a major weather event. Stay with us. You need to know the updates. If you read the map or any of the data, it's like way offshore.

And like we might get a little bit. And the tiny, tiny probability that the storm actually does, like, slam into New York City and cause major problems is small. But if you only pay attention to the click-baity ones, you would think this is going to be a huge storm. So what you're saying is traditional media also sensationalizes things. Yes, very much so. And I'm watching the weather YouTubers still this week, and they are saying a lot of, they're using the words like, this could be a major event, this might be, but it seems like it's probably not going to be. And now I'm watching them all report on the same data, the same models, just like we all report on the same tech,

but have very different angles on it. It's fascinating to watch. I have one question, maybe two questions. Yeah. First of all, being a weather YouTuber must be exhausting because one you, like, we have our events that happen at the same time every year. They basically are like sitting there hoping for a catastrophic event. It's interesting.

Like that's got to be painful to have to do all the time. Yeah. And it's also, it unfolds very differently. Like a tech event, a launch event is like an hour or two on stage and then like the big frenzy of covering what happened on stage. A weather event is like a slow system that moves across the country where people want updates as it's going for days in a row at a time. They're putting out two videos a day for five days straight and live streaming for the entire working day and making videos while they're live stream. It's insane. It does seem exhausting. But they are

trying to keep people informed. That's the angle. Keep as many people informed as possible. They do have their busy season because we also have like monsoon season. like hurricane season, winter. My question for you was, does anyone use the weather app on Android or iOS? Like just the built-in weather app? Yeah.

Like weather.com. No. This has become my... Wait, well, this is basically my next question. So you've seguated into it. You're using the, like, default Android? No, no, no. Like the weather channel.

Oh, like, weather.com. Yeah. No. No. The U.S. is horrible on those websites. I've not really found one that's good. Like all the dedicated apps or just like even the built-in app is a much better ux then well i don't know if the data is less accurate

that's what i want to yell about for a minute what do you want to oh i just wanted to ask did anyone else's weather channel app turn blood red this week as soon as i came home from work the other day before the storm everything all the text and ui turned red and it was like it's coming it's happening oh my god what the they're like please come back to this app over and over it's like drama alert it's like please keep checking the app wow that's awesome that's crazy no Mine was going to be about, I used the default pixel weather app, and it looks beautiful. Yeah. But I'm just sitting here, I think it was like Friday night.

I looked at what our snow accumulation was supposed to be on Sunday when it was hit and said 15 inches. It was like, that's a lot of snow. Then Saturday, it just decides to go to like one inch. And then Sunday morning, there's already three inches of snow outside and it's like, you're going to get like one inch today. And then we got the like 15 it originally said, which is awful. And then I'm like, I must be just maybe really. reading this at the wrong times.

But then Ben on 9 to 5 Google wrote something about how he tested all, like, seven different apps, and the Google Weather app was like just nowhere near what any of the other ones were. And it was so bad. Does it say where it gets its data from? Because I think that the Apple one says it gets it from like ACUE weather. From dark sky. Okay, yeah.

So this is my, this is what I've observed over the years. And I think the weather app ecosystem is super precarious for some reason. Most weather apps are super ugly. I've fully on board. I was on weather underground and it's horrible. Yeah, most like 95% of them, and trust me, there's a lot of them, are super, super ugly. There's a couple really pretty ones. Usually they're the stock apps, like the Google Weather app and the Apple Weather app are like really nice looking.

Yeah, the frog and the Google one. Unfortunately, are not pulling the best data. And I don't know why that's such a like hard thing for them to do because the one app that I trust that I think both looks good and lets you pick between good accurate data sources is carrot weather. It's only on iPhone, unfortunately. But I use AccuWeather data in Carrot weather. And it's very accurate and works really well. And I can switch between sources and check if there's like discrepancies among the models.

It's a very nerdy thing to do. But you can if there's a big storm coming, see what's happening there. And yeah, I was finding that the Apple Weather app was saying that we're going to get, it was telling me at my house it would be like 15 to 18 inches of snow. And then I was checking carrot weather. and it was consistent. It was like, you're going to get seven inches on Sunday and like three inches on Monday. And that's exactly how much we got.

And I was, I was impressed, but not shocked that the pretty weather apps were not the most accurate, sadly. Yeah, that's usually how it is. I just want recommendations for an Android weather app that works. I swear every time I'm like, oh, I think, oh, Claire, the weather's going to be this this weekend. She's like, that's not what mine says, and hers is always right, and I'm always wrong no matter what. Yeah, it's tough. I've tried overcast. I haven't been in that app in a little while, so I can't vouch for its accuracy, but it is good looking.

Maybe you should just make one, Andrew. Yeah, I'll just vibe code one up right here. You can do it. According to Twitter, you can do it in an hour. I'm sure Twitter, that's true. So anyway, that's my take on Meteorology YouTube in January 2026. All right. For those who are wondering.

I like that. Okay, now give me the other take. The other take? The one I've been waiting for. The other take, so there's also a headline this week that you might have seen that the, you've probably seen him. The tick, yeah, I think he's the most followed TikToker now of all time. Kabi Lameh, right? He doesn't talk.

So his videos are extremely universal. Anyone who speaks any language can watch them. Physical comedy, he does this. He does the pointing and the shrugging and all that, right? There is a headline this week that essentially he'd sold his company for $900 million. More than Juan Soto. That's a lot. That's more than...

Humane. You look into it, you dig deeper, you read the articles. It's more that he sold his image and likeness rights and the company that manages that stuff for $900 million of value. It's not a cash. It's not like he's getting paid $900 million, but he now has partial ownership of the company that manages all of those rights. And that ownership is worth somehow $900 million. Wait, so his partial ownership, they're valuing it 900 million? It seems like it.

That doesn't seem. It seems insane. Correct. Are they going to IPO Cobb? That's the question. Okay. So my take is that seems ridiculous, which is not even that hot of a take, but the secondary take is maybe he kind of got played or scammed a little bit, if that's how this is going

to go. Here's why I'll say that. We know that short form does not monetize super well. He starts on TikTok. He has an incredible following, obviously, but still, I think lifetime earnings are somewhere in the tens of millions of dollars, right? He has a YouTube channel. He's got social media presence everywhere. He'll do the Google Pixel event.

So we've seen him around doing stuff, but short form, the content itself doesn't monetize super well. So the article says that they're going to manage his image rights. They're going to essentially have the right to clone him in AI and have him do a whole bunch of things. endlessly online, which I worry about. That seems insane, but the fatigue may or may not play. And they plan, they say in the articles, to make $400 million per year from his image and likeness. That seems incorrect. Well, it's like one of those things where I don't know him too well, but he doesn't talk, right?

And he just does a lot of gestures. That seems like something really easy to AI generate. Yeah. But the last thing I would want is a bunch of, like, we've worked with different agencies and stuff, and we say no to so many. Imagine if an agency just had a program and they could just say yes to literally every deal that comes in and just throw it in the AI generator. And I could see them making a ton of money off that until everyone's exhausted of it because it gets pumped out five thousand times, makes $400 million one year. And nobody ever wants to see it. I misquoted.

Okay. The press release says annual live commerce sales could reach $4 billion. Okay, I don't believe that. Yeah, I don't think it. It says it. It says $4 billion. Yes, he has hundreds of millions of followers. Annual?

No. This is incorrect. We're allowed to say anything. How many companies make $4 billion a year? Did you make the company name? It sounds fake. Rich Sparkle. Yeah.

Rich Sparkle. What's? It's just an insane press release. and I want to give them benefit of the doubt, but the more I read about it, they're giving him all these shares in rich Sparkle holdings that they're saying are going to be worth

$975 million because they plan on monetizing his likeness and making $4 billion a year, something ridiculous like that. None of it adds up, and I don't know what to make of it, and I lean towards somebody got scammed somewhere or is going to. I feel like both of them probably got scammed,

but part of it I think this number is, for the headline. Sure. I'm pretty sure. I'm not 100%. Maybe somebody can correct me. But when KIC was first launching and signing a bunch of people,

we were seeing all these like extramers signs, gigantic multi-million dollar deal. But it was similar of the fact of like, well, here's like 500,000 and here's shares and ownership stake with this evaluation, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Which makes this big old number for a headline.

And then who knows if they ever make it that far? If they successfully generate $4 billion a year from authorizing the use of one person's face ID, voice ID, and behavioral models for the AI digital twin development, as they say, I will give them all the props. I would pay to see their, like, pitch deck for this. Would you pay $4 billion? Oh, that might be the only way they make $4 billion. I'm Googling companies that make $4 billion a year. Let's see if I can find a comp for you. Intel, not Intel, which is the $4 billion.

51st highest revenue by profit or by revenue in the United States or actually in the world makes 3.4 billion so they're saying that he makes more profit than not makes is about to make with his sweet new deal yeah more profit than one of the fortune 51 or whatever it's wait and are they fortune 500 51 this is all fake so I don't know why I'm still asking questions about I don't know. Oh, wait, wait. His is 900 million, but they're saying they're going to make 400 billion. Yes.

Okay, sorry. 4 billion. 4 billion. Yeah, let's be real. That's a sweet. That's a difference. Elon's almost a trillionaire, okay? Numbers are made up.

I am all for rooting for creators. Obviously, the creator economy is super new and un- your back king. Yeah, it's very difficult to value these things, but this just seems insane. So I saw the headline, and I saw a lot of people echoing the headline, and I'm like, I don't know. He's got to be one of those guys that, like, you realize is doing kind of, I don't know why I'm going to compare him to daft punk, but like you get super famous for doing a bunch of really well-time shrugs. And he like clearly, that sounds dumb.

But he grew crazy. But like daf punk are super famous, but they have helmets so they get to go out in public later. There are types of celebrity that you just kind of nailed sometimes. So being able to be the guy who's just like. like really funny making gestures is awesome because it's not that much effort when you're physically on the video and there's no language barrier like what a smart move it's essentially the most successful react channel of all time yeah Einstein bros are coming after him on TikTok though so is that what's he's expanded though so i don't remember what the fine bros that was the throwback oh react yeah

yeah he starts on TikTok he's got hundreds of millions of followers he also like we've seen, has branched out and done short form YouTube. He's done Instagram. He's done events, obviously. Yeah. Google thinks he's well-known and trustworthy enough to be involved with the pixel presentation. That's a revenue stream in some way. At least they're not worried about him saying anything controversial.

Yeah, exactly. So, actually, I remember being backstage with him before he went on stage and he didn't say a word. He's on brand. Yeah. So anyway, it is a confusing headline, and I have nothing but confusing thoughts on it. I'm sure he's going to make a ton of money no matter what. So he'll be good. Wait, can I have another, if we're in rant mood right now?

Okay, send it. I'll figure out something I'm going to rant about it. This is something that has been happening to me on my phone, and I can't tell if it's recent or if it's always been like that, but I think it's a recent change. Okay. Okay, so I've realized in the last month or so, if you're using the Google search widget on Pixel, you're going to try it on your Oneplus.

And I want to just get a picture of something because I love finding pictures and putting it in like Slack or text message. So I'm just going to search Disc Golf. Then you go to Google images. At this point, any of these images I click, I can't just download the photo. You hold onto it, right? I have the chance to save to collection, share,

which lets me copy a link to a Google Photos like link or Google Images link, and then I have all my apps that normally can share in. And then other than that, it's search with image, Google Lens, or Report. Even now, they have all these overlay things that I used to just take screenshots. But if you tap it, don't they go away?

Nope. Oh. Oh. So can I not just download a picture? picture in the Google search bar anymore? Is it going to yours? It's gone in from... It used to be there, right?

You have to go into a browser, Google, Google Images, and you can download from a browser, but I can't from... And shitification. It's so stupid. They want everyone to stay in the Google app, so that you send them the link,

it just opens the Google app. Yeah, I mean, the download feature has been buried for a while, like it used to be layers deep, like multiple clicks. and I would usually take a screenshot because it was easier than trying to figure out how to download the image.

We need to start a new segment just called, hey Google, I hate you. So I hit the button that says save to collections, I don't know. Wait, where does it go? What is that?

I went into the settings and I found that there, if you scroll down enough, is saves and collections, which apparently I have... They're trying to make the Google I bet you have a bunch of different collections. They're trying to make that

an entire OS that you just like stay in forever. I don't know when I saved the 5D mark three or the, Mac Pro. I don't know. I didn't know like 10 years ago. Okay. And then can I download it? Is that? No.

Nope. You can't download it from your collection? Still can't download it from my collection. You know? Yeah, that's weird. That is weird. It's called keeping you on the platform. Is that recent? You used to be able to download from that, right? I literally just downloaded a picture like the other day. From inside of the Google app? I believe so. Yeah. Like from like using the search bar. If I do this in Chrome, is that? Because that's how I search everything from the search bar. I think there might be a way to make it so the search bar always opens in a browser window.

Yeah, there is. But it's not the default. It's not the default. So I haven't changed it since this new phone. This is what they do. They get enough people using it and addicted to it. And then they make it worse. Yeah, but it's hard to get addicted to it when it sucks so bad in the first place. Well, you said you always search things through it. Oh, oh yeah. Okay, you're saying I got addicted when it works. You're already addicted. And then they're just like slowly destroying it. Yeah. Some engineer at Google was like, hmm, we can keep time in app up. My thought was the opposite of where Google, we're focused so much on other things that we keep forgetting about all the basic functions of our apps and breaking them in the process.

I don't know. They intentionally did not let you get rid of that widget on Android for a very long time. People were very annoyed at that for a very long time. I don't think the typical rules about Google management apply to search. They are very on top. Yeah, but how many teams inside of search are? I'm saying less of more just the. the team that makes the download feature just forgot about it or got moved somewhere else.

But just a room full spider webs right now. I mean, there's a reason like in the Reddit app when you take a screenshot, it's like, Hey, do you want to just share the share sheet, share sheet? Open a Reddit link. Open a Reddit link. They're doing the same thing. Spotify. Practically what it is. Spotify is wrapped when you try to take a screenshot of it.

It's like, use the built-in. Please. It's just guaranteeing that at least half the people never click that link, though. because even if any of you were to send me a tweet or a TikTok, if the preview of it doesn't show up that I kind of know what's going to be in that link, I'm sorry, I'm not clicking the link. That's true for you, but I think that normal people probably, they don't want to keep searching through,

how could I download this? How can I download this? Like if it pops up and it's like, share this link, they're like, okay. Oh, man. Definitely. Well, what I'm saying is on the receiving end, if I just get a no context text that just says share. photos. Google slash

for like 10 characters. Yeah. And no preview of what? I'm not probably down. Probably delete system 32 probably. I'm about that screenshot life. I think, yeah, I would just screenshot. People are very nervous about about scams now.

I understand. Yeah. Yeah. That is a good rant, Andrew. Quality rant. David, what's your rant? I don't know. I didn't really come up alone.

What about, uh, can rant about the air tag? Wait, can we rant? Can we rant about how somehow none of us knew that BBK disband three years ago? Oh, yes. How were we unaware of this? I feel really stupid. Yeah, what exactly? We should have known.

It didn't change how we mentioned One Plus last. But when that shout out to whoever, there was like one person on Reddit and one person on our comments that posted it. And I read it. I was like, no, that guy's just wrong. There's no way. And then I read it. It was like three years ago. It was like, wow.

So now it's just Apo and Vivo and those still have subbrands called One Plus and RealMe, etc. For people that don't know, there was a. umbrella brand around OPPO 1 Plus and Vivo called BBK Electronics for a very long time. Apparently three years ago, it disbanded. I did not know this. None of us knew this. I don't know why we didn't know this.

Some random Redditor did know this and told us we were wrong. I think those two are still probably under some sort of conglomerate or whatever. Almost definitely. When they do these reorganizations, it's really just for optics. There are things happening. It's sort of like how One Plus for a very long

time was like, we're not part of, we're not part Oppo or not part of opo or a sister. Or how Hossablad tries to really, really, really, really hard to pretend that they're not owned by DJI. And then when you send your Hossabloat in for repair, it goes to the DJI facility. Or how on Google was like, we are actually part of alphabet now. And I'm like, what's alphabet? And you're like, Google. That's true.

Okay. That is true. It's all naming. It's all naming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But shout out to you for, shout out to the guy like, because you were right. this. Okay. Big news. Big news. Apple, you know, often has one of those weeks where it just releases a ton of press releases one per day. It's a big week. It's huge.

Usually big products, you know, new MacBook, new iPad. This week we got another air tag that looks the same. It's just updated. It doesn't look the same. Can I yell about this? It does not look the same. Wait, what's your yell? The text is capital.

Texas Capital. I just want to yell real quick because when we were planning our schedule for last week, we had like fully top of mind, Apple has something happening Monday morning. There's a meeting on Marquez's calendar. We don't know what it is. And then we all hit you up after like, okay, Marquez, what happened? As you were on your way into the office and you were like, new air tag. And I was like, you got to be kidding me.

But like you were saying, they usually do around this time like a week of updates. Yeah. So I was like, air tag Monday, perfect start. It's usually something small. They did apparently update Final Cut Pro today with like three new features. Yeah, all the creator studio stuff is out now. Yeah. And all of the updates to things like Final Cut and pages and motion and all that.

They're all out. Final Cut has a couple new features. Like a terrible new logo. Well, there's the logo for the Creator Studio version, which is horrible, which is purple. We didn't talk about that the one time. The Creator Studio logos. We meant to talk about this when we talked about Creator Studio, all of the icons are like indiscernible. They're just like bold colors.

with like a few lines. It's interesting because I kind of think that might work. You just associate a color with the app now. Like Final Cut's the purple one. In the same way that like you know Word, Excel, and PowerPoint are there certain colors. Like Excel's the green one. Same thing with Adobe. Photoshop is blue.

Yeah. Just click it. You know, that's what they were thinking. I might have given Apple the benefit of the doubt with liquid glass, but considering they've just been proven to be wrong now, I don't know if I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt with this one. One, I finally updated my Mac and I actually really like liquid glass on it. Wow.

I hate to say that out loud. On the desktop. On the desktop. I can't imagine an auto phone. But I'm correct in saying that Creator Studio is all the new logos, but old are still all the old logos. So you technically could have two different Final Cut logos

on your computer. Yes. That's... It would be silly of you to buy both, but yes. I guess you can only ever have the purple ones if you have all of them. So it would make no sense not to have Which one would it all of the match?

You open. It's both. So if I have Final Cut because I already bought Legacy Final Cut, I have the old Final Cut logo and I spent $400 on it. There's no reason for me to also buy the new thing. But if I ever do, then I also have Final Cut Pro for, I forget the exact name, but I literally have a purple Final Cut for Creator Studio. Yeah, Studio Edition. And then if you like do Spotlight search and open up Final Cut, which one opens? They'll show both.

And you've got to pick the one that you want. I mean, that's the same. It's the same with like Lightroom and Lernery. Lightroom Classic. It's very annoying. I know and it's annoying. It's annoying. Yeah. Did they, so the features that they added today were those only to the Creator Studio version? Not everything. Okay. Yeah. Because I know they're doing that for like numbers and pages for some reason. Yeah. The apps that everybody uses. The way it was framed to me was the productivity apps do have the split between the AI content and the creative stuff and the traditional version. The creative apps, the final cuts and motions and stuff,

are the same with either version. Interesting. And if you want to get the bundle of you get everything. But like why would you get Final Cut and not want all the stuff? So thankfully, this is to Apple's credit. If I spent the $400 or whatever it was 10, 15 years ago on Final Cut Pro, I'm still getting all of the features. Right. So that's good. That's good. What if you spent the $29 on an air tag? Well, then you're getting a new speaker, baby. A brand new, can I play the sound for you guys? Yes. Oh, do it. What does it used to be in C and now it's in G or something? I'll break it down for you. The new second generation air tag has a slightly longer precision finding range.

A slightly better Bluetooth chip. And it's now a 1.8 decibel louder speaker, I believe. And it changed the note from an F to a G. Observe. Oh, you have both. You recorded both? That's the old one. Correct.

Yeah. Which is nothing like this new one. Hmm. That is better. This higher. A little more piercing. Your dogs are going to freak the hell out. I know you guys are going to say,

ooh, innovation is dead. This is the same thing. But like, this is so much better. This is more piercing. It's going to carry further. It's going to be able to, you can find this further away. The latter.

This is why it's the news of the year, honestly, to me. Yeah. I know we were thinking OLED MacBook Pro and like them killing like other products in the folding iPhone, but this is what we were waiting for. Yeah.

Totally worth a meeting. They didn't change the pro. They give us all of this for the same price. When I'm stealing people's purses now, and I steal a purse that has capital letters on their tag, I'm like, give it right back. You're gonna find me way too fast. Lowercase, all mine.

Oh, you got a new one? Oh, my God, yes. I want that F sharp following. I thought you're gonna say if you stole it and it was the old one, you're like, oh, you must be poor, you didn't buy it. So why would I steal your purse anyway? Yeah, it's a huge change.

You know, you can find it up to 50% further away. That's the difference between being able to find someone inside a movie theater and outside a movie theater. You know? Maybe. Sometimes I wish Apple did video events for all their products because I would love to see how much they hype this up on stage. I feel like audio listeners think I'm serious because I can't see my face. And I just want to be clear that all this is sarcasm. But it is this is the press release from Apple.

This is the new thing. I can't believe we didn't get anything else. I'm waiting for a card-shaped one. That's what I was to do it. That's what I was saying. Like, Ridge has made a card-shaped one, and everybody else is making different shaped ones for different places. Like, the card one on the wallet is the obvious thing. And they just made a new air tag with, like, slightly better specs or whatever, honestly.

But why are they not trying anything? Like, air tags clearly are working well enough for them to continue to update it. Why not expand a little bit? Make it flat. Make it flat. I want it small. But, yeah. Until then, you'll have to go to Ridge for that, I guess.

It's kind of crazy. Like, if you go to the Apple website, it's nowhere on the front page. You have to go to the accessory section. Is that crazy? Is that crazy? I don't know. I feel like... I kind of actually think it is.

Honestly, it is. I think air tags are insanely popular. Yeah. But front page of Apple? Yeah, but there's a... There are a lot of people who will just buy the new thing. Wait, this is kind of a bar. This is...

What was lost is now sound? I mean, they always have good taglines. That's kind of a bar. Air taglines. Yeah. I don't know. It just says new. Yeah.

You are able to now find it with your... Apple Watch precision finding thing on the Apple Watch Series 9 and later and Apple Watch Ultra 2 and later. So, you know, your wrist can vibrate when you get close to something. Oh, it's like hot and cold. Hotter. Find my friends. Anyway. Just at the bar and like the crowd and you're like, got him?

Yeah, I will say the wallet tag would have been a good idea for them. I don't know why they haven't done that yet. Oh, I know, because you just use the MagSafe wallet, so it's always on your phone anyway, so you'd never lose it. That's, what if it, what if the magnet pops it off? The MagSafe wallet also, well, the new ones also have Fine Mine, the new MagSafe wallets. Oh, yeah. The wallet itself has fine-line? So that means they've created something that can in that form factor already.

Yeah, I've wondered that too. Are you sure it's not just that when it's on your phone, it tracks its Bluetooth location? And that, like, when it disconnects. And when disconnects, it shows the last. Nomad had sent us their trackable wallets. I think they were the first ones to do to find my wallet cards. Not wallet, it's wallet. It's wallet.

And I tried to charge mine a couple days ago, and it just, it's not. It's got to get the Ridge one, man. It does not charge. The Ridge one's way bad. I think all of these are quite fickle. Wow, Marquez. How much do they pay you to say that? I'm shilling, okay?

Let me chill in peace. Just big hashtag. It does wireless charge. Yeah, they all, like, Mag-safe, wireless charge. But like the I don't know I imagine the they break pretty easily like all of them because they're so thin I don't know who knows you can get this if you know much I'm not trying to like no literally goes in the wallet next year whatever other cards you have and it's just like if you ever leave your wallet behind you'll just know that you can find it yeah that's except there was like this whole era where all wallets were advertised as RFID blocking my wallet is RFID blocking and so is RFID though block all the other all radio frequency? Radio frequency infrared. So what's RFID?

Radio frequency identification? Infrared? RFID. Radio frequency identification? Yeah. All radio frequencies? All of them? Yeah.

Whoa. It was so people couldn't just walk by you and scan your, that's why they added the chip. Right. Because everybody had the stripe on their credit card and people were just like stealing their credit card information. So they made all these RFID blocking wallets. And I have a really old wallet because like, what do you need? need to replace your wallet unless it literally explodes.

And yeah. Yeah. Now it's hard to find my wallet. Got it. Got it. Got it. So, well,

it does have a speaker in it. So if you ever do need to chime. Yeah, but it has to send the signal to the thing to chime the speaker. Oh, interesting. Interesting. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. Okay. Anyway. Now that these credit cards have a chip, you don't need RFID wallets anymore, I guess. So, sick.

This is not financial advice. Anyway, that's our rant for the first part of the pod. That's our rant episode. Make sure to find your friends air tags inside or outside of movie theaters. And if you ever hear that new chime, you know it's gone down. Also, quick update. It does only know the last location after it separates from your phone. Oh, okay.

Yeah. That makes sense. That's just the phone. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Cool. Well, we'll take a quick break. We're going to talk about the trifold again. for real for real this time on God

and then we are going to talk about TikTok being state-sponsored media but first but first trivia oh wait also before we continue Mariah's here true

hello Mariah she spoke I know I've been known to speak unlike some people who make 900 million dollars take that all right

I'm going to apologize in advance. I'm not going to lie. So this is an Ellis question, and this is going to require some brain, big brain energy. Okay. I'm going to read this out to you, and then I can help explain it. Ellis's question for you is, well, I guess it's less of a question. It's not even a question. He's just telling us something.

He literally gave you a task. Okay. So he said, whoever can spell the longest word using only letters that are also names of Apple Silicon Chips gets the point. Wait, wait, so we have the M-series chip, we have like an R-Series T. So I'll give you all of the chip series letters and then you have to spell. And it only uses those letters? Yeah, so I have like an anagram generator and I have to see who can spell the longest word using only the chips.

This is his evil thing he wants to do to you, not my choice. So if you want to drop these down. A? A. Yep. M R S

T C U W-N Wow I knew four of those I would have been screwed it

That almost spells Amsterdam Very close Like if I squinted It would look like I said Amsterdam Yeah It's the same Anyway so

This is going to take some brain juice So we can revisit this later and I don't know what you're going to spell with this. Are we allowed to use proper nouns? Why? Let me check the list. You're going to put someone's name? It's got to be scribble down.

Macron? Honestly, whoever gets the coolest answer, I'll give you the point. Ellis isn't here. I can do what I want. We will think about that. I'm so sorry. That's a lot of work. Yeah.

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Go to Shopify.com slash waveform. That's Shopify.com slash waveform. Here your first this new year with Shopify buyer's side. All right, welcome back. We got to, maybe we should just rant again. We got to talk about this trifold again. And we're talking about it because Samsung did finally announce the U.S. price and availability of the Samsung Galaxy trifold. I don't know if I remember what our guesses were for it.

We were kind of thinking like $1,000 a $1,000 or something like that. Which is not that far off. Right, because like a flagship's 1,000 and then like a folding flagship is like 1800,000-ish. So the U.S. price for the trifold is $2,899, and it's available only from Samsung. It's not going to be in carrier stores or anything like that. You just got to go to Samsung.com or get it straight from Samsung. Store. Yeah.

$966 per fold. It's three flagships. Here's the thing. I really like this phone. But as many people have pointed out, there are so many things you can get for $2,899. And I will push back on the people saying you could just get a phone and a tablet. Well, duh, that's the point. The trifold is for the people who don't want two devices.

They want it all in one device. So I'm seeing that. And I think it's a very usable phone with just the one. I don't use it as often as a two, but then wide open with three. It's an awesome tablet. I've really liked it. I think you can't use it as a two. Well, it's not supposed to be used as a two.

The Huawei you can use as a two. It gets kind of mad. And then you fold it wide open and it's the three. like this is the greatest thing ever invented, but $2,899 is a lot of money. For tax, obviously. Foretax, you got to ship it. Would you get a trifold for $2,89?

No. No. You have to be in the small, very picky group who really wants this phone to spend that much on it. I do think the price is kind of an intentional barrier. And it got a lot of people also thinking about how much is the iPhone fold going to cost?

Because it's not going to be a trifold. It's just going to be a regular fold competing against all the other. $15 to $1,900 folds, are they going to price it over all of those or right in the middle? I'm interested, but I don't think this has any context or is relevant to what the iPhone fold is going to cost. There's such a different phone in every aspect. Yeah, the iPhone fold is going to be more similar to the original pixel fold, like shorter passport style. There's a strong rumor that Samsung is actually working on a competitor fold that is shorter to compete.

That's more directly with the iPhone thing ever. And they're going to come out before probably. Which would mean Samsung would have like four foldable phones, which is almost as many phones as their regular phones. They're literally like the leader in folding phones and then Apple still makes their first one. And they still copy them. That's crazy. It would be the same thing as when they made the galaxy, they announced the Galaxy S-25 Edge before the iPhone air. Yeah.

Because they knew it was coming. Yeah, they knew it was coming. And they got ahead of it and made the thing. And I could see them also doing that and beating the iPhone fold to this form factor. True. It is interesting. I just think it's relevant because this is a real phone that Samsung is going to sell. It's like raised the ceiling for a price that you can pay on a phone.

And before this, if you asked me what might Apple charge for their fold, I would have said probably right around 1899. 1990. But now that this exists, I feel like it's going to be over 2000. Yeah, I said my guess is 2199. That seems very possible. I hate that that seems possible. The trifold to me is more in line with when Apple, sold the Vision Pro.

It's like they don't expect people to buy it. So I feel like when Apple releases the fold, they're actually going to want people to buy it. So I don't know if it's going to be as high priced. I bet the margins on the trifolds are not great. And I bet they don't want to sell a whole ton of them. They want to be seen as leaders in the space and like generate the hype. This is probably selling more regular folds.

Just because people are like, wow, that's crazy. pretty cool I'm just going to buy the do you guys think that the iPhone fold is going to be able to run iPad apps that is a whole other question uh is it going to run iOS or iPad OS like how innovative is Apple going to get with the fold I think God wow I think or what do I want well I definitely want iPad OS when it's unfolded I want all the things but it's only going to be we're thinking like an 8 inch screen like an iPad mini size I guess that's fine what does the size of the iPad mini screen 7 and change.

So it'll be bigger? Roughly the same, yeah. Well, then they can run iPad OS. They can run iPad OS. But then the thing is, when you close it, does it switch OS is? No way. It's got to be the same. It's like, isn't iPad OS just iOS, but with some like tweaks?

Yeah, but all the window management stuff that's going on, all of the multitasking stuff, I don't picture them allowing you to use that on the smaller folded closed screen. So how do you manage that? It's separate. Yeah. You know how like on the folds? Yeah. You can have like your home screen layout on the front separate than the inside.

I don't like it. I don't like it either. You've got the task bar on Android now. When you open the foldable phone, you've got like the little task bar on the bottom. That's not when you close it. That's true. So they could do that. Yeah.

Same. So a couple. So it's kind of like managed like you open the phone. Because I really like the pixel fold thing where it was all continuity all the time. Your home screen set up when you change it on the closed screen, when you open it, that would just be your two screens the way you'd set them. up on the closed screen. And then any app that you'd use on the closed screen, you open it up, it would continue

using it on the, it would just go back and forth. Everything would stay on. I liked that. I wonder if that's how Apple would do it. You know, they should just make a merged OS. They can call it the same thing forever. They could just call it OSX, you know? Like, X, it's a perfect name to be used forever for all of their.

Oh, I have terrible news. Nice trying. I forgot. That's kind of the direction that Google is going with and Android with the pixels. stuff though. It's like the front screen and the inside screen are just one continuous like operating system thing. I think that plays in their favor because there aren't a lot of Android tablet apps. Apple does not have that problem. Apple has a lot of iPad apps. So they could just separate the two completely and have the front screen do iPhone middle or inside screen do

iPad. I'm completely just coming out of my ass here. There's so many questions that I have because of that. Like if I have an app installed that's an iPad app, and I open it with the screen open, obviously it opens the iPad version. If I close it and have the smaller screen, is that gone? Yeah, it's just like... It's gone?

Yeah, you're just on using an iPhone now. So it just feels like... I think at that point it feels like two different devices. Exactly. I don't think they want... I think they want it to feel as fluid as possible. Like all the early folds, I think the idea was you would expand your screen.

Like you go from having one screen, you're texting somebody. I got to flip to the big screen. You open it, now it's texting on the big screen. And it feels continuous and that was like... But you could still do that particular thing with iPhone and iPad OS. You know, like some of the apps are going to be continuous. But I think in general, they want it to be, and this is, again, me just completely theorizing.

I think they want it to be two different experiences. You use the iPhone part of it. And then when you want to do something a little bit more powerful that requires an iPad app, you open it up. I don't think they like that in one singular device, different experiences. I don't think they're going to... The more you talk about this, the more I... I think there's no shot they do it. Multiple experience in one device.

It's a phone. It's an iPod. It's a communication device. I thought they loved that. I thought they loved that. I just think that... Well, I guess there's two things. Apple sells to people who want the simplicity of experience,

but also people buying a $2,000-something-dollar folding phone are not the usual iPhone customer. Maybe those people are cool with having a little more flexibility or customization. Flexibility. They're cool like that? Flexibility, yeah. So I don't know. I kind of lean towards Andrew. Like I think they probably want it to be as simple and fluid as possible.

Open, close. Big, small. Like the same thing, just big or small. That's the same as Android, though. Like you're just doing what the fold already does, what the pixel fold already does. Yeah. I don't think Apple would do that personally. Well, yeah, because they just do the thing that Android does, but it's iOS.

Yeah, but now they also have iPadOS. That's what I'm saying. Like, Android doesn't have that to fall back on. I think that Apple generally does a good job of, knowing what to do with the new stuff. Like, Android and all the Android manufacturers tend to give you stuff before they know what to do with it. Although Apple did not do that with a vision bro.

But with a lot of their stuff, you know, they wait longer. But then when they actually ship it, they're like, look at all these useful things you can do that we like test it and deployed and they all work with your current ecosystem and whatever. I feel like they're probably going to have special use cases for the foldable phone because otherwise, I don't know. Most iPhone users that I talk to are like, I don't care about foldable phone. Why would I want a foldable phone?

Yeah, there's got to be something, some reason that you get the foldable, like something that you can do on the foldable that you can't do on the regular iPhone. Yeah. Bigger screen is one thing, obviously, but I want, I want product. I want something that there can be a commercial about or some use case or a demo of, like, that's why I want the fold. Like iPad OS apps. You want Final Cup Pro on that inside screen?

That's what I want. Someone's going to do that. Amen. I was going to do that. Amen. Yeah, wait, literally, Final Cut Pro for iPad.

So can you, Jesus. That's what I said. Well, that's immediately what I thought. That's what I said. We can't. It is touch-oriented.

It's touch-first. Yeah, it's Final Cut for iPad now. I'm just saying. Damn. We should edit the main channel video. With your finger on an 8-inch screen, yeah. Now that I'm picturing Final Cut Pro in my pocket,

I don't think I don't want it anymore. I don't think that's a good idea. Yeah. I just don't see them releasing this product and being like, it's the same thing that's already out, just iPhone now. That's exactly how I see them doing it. Oh, yeah.

Well, they don't say that. They go all day battery lives. Although, when the iPad first came out, it was just iPhone, but bigger. Yeah. Like literally. It was horrible. It was literally just iPhone but bigger. Now it's computer but smaller, I feel like.

Yeah, because it's evolved a lot. It went from like, why are these icons so far apart? Why does this look like my, and you open an iPhone app and it would just go, it would be a huge version of it? Yeah. And they've evolved much since then, but now they could be in a similar spot. where they don't exactly know which direction to go. Do they lean more computer?

Do they lean more simplicity? What if we just give them iPhone but bigger and then see what people start doing with it and asking for? And then go from there. For a very long time, they were very focused on selling you three separate devices. And now there's the rumors of the MacBook

with the touchscreen coming out. Crazy. And then also the iPad, they have actually souped up to be like a workable computer now with iPad OS, whatever it is, 26. I'm just picturing like Venn diagrams slowly coming close.

Slowly merging. Yeah, do you want the phone that's also an iPad? The iPad that's also a laptop or the laptop that's also a phone. What was the trivia question the other day? Pad phone phone pad? It doesn't make sense. Vision Pro is all the things. Ish.

Strap to your face. Five pounds. I have a question for you guys. Do you want a touchscreen MacBook Pro? Yes. You're using a MacBook Pro. You do want a touchscreen. Yeah.

I like touchscreen laptops, weirdly. Moriah, you have a MacBook Pro. I think it's fun. Touchscreen is. fun. I used to have like a Del XPS that was like the 4K touchscreen and it was just I like would never practically use it but I think it's a novelty. I don't know how much extra I would pay for it but there are times like literally sitting in the pod here where I'd like to just like take my finger and scroll on the outline. That's the thing. I think people think completely like oh I'm just going to

be using it as a tablet and just tapping the screen and seeing it wobble and I hate that. Yeah it's not for that it's just for like three times you're sitting on the couch and you just want to scroll with your thumb really quickly. In Photoshop, being able to like turn things, rotate things, zoom it. It's very helpful. I used to love that on my, I mean, look, pencil support they should just do on the, on the track

pad. The track pad's so massive, they can easily turn it into a drawing tablet. They should have done that 10 years ago. Are we just reverse engineering the 2 and one laptop or the laptop completely full. No. No, no, no, no. No, no. No, no. Nobody wants that. That was a weird era. And I, I do remember a lot of those things.

Novo yoga. My mom still has one. They do the job. All of my Bitcoin that I mined in 2012 is on a Lenovo yoga book, 9-I, orange, Clementine orange color. Something's telling me you have like 5,000 Bitcoin on this. Back when it was worth $0.45 cents. Yeah.

It was worth like a penny. It was like very low. I am, I guess while we're on the topic, I am not sure that I want a touchscreen MacBook Pro. I've never really wanted to use the touchscreen on laptops I've had in the past of touchscreens. It really is like the once in a while scroll or hit a button thing, and I wouldn't pay extra for that. I would be very happy to not have that and save money. I already have to clean my MacBook display all the time, so I'm okay with cleaning it more. I just don't think it's that new technology that it would raise the price that much anymore.

Like we've had these for a decade now. They could just do it and it'll be fine. Well, I think isn't the rumor it's supposed to be like an OLED touchscreen? Like it's going to be a brand new display technology, this really, really cool display, and also it's the first touchable. Yeah. And also it's Apple selling it, so they're going to charge more for it. Hell, yeah. Yeah, come on.

Yeah. You think storage and RAM has crossed that much to Apple? If you look at the control center on Mac OS now, it looks like it's meant to be touched. It looks just like the iPad. So at this point, it doesn't seem like they have that much work to do to get to a touchscreen laptop. I just don't love the wobble and the fingerprints and the weird inconsistenate. consistent stuff going on. So I'm not thrilled about it, but I'll watch and learn and see if they

have any features or interesting things I'm interested in. I have a feeling. I have a feeling I'm just going to want the new OLED and I'm going to get it and then it happens to be a touchscreen and I'm probably not going to do that. What if it's OLED plus anti-glare? I'm going to be so happy but please. It probably won't be. Yeah, because isn't the anti-glare? It's kind of really hard to clean. Well, and it also like it kind of cuts the light output. Yeah. Speaking of anti-glare. Oh. Okay, well, that was supposed to be a Samsung trifold conversation. But we got there.

But, yeah, speaking of Antiglare, we have some interesting Galaxy X-26 teaser information. X-26? Yeah, S-26. S-20s. It's like, okay, S-26 teaser, apparently it's going to have a privacy display, which will not just be a film that goes over your phone, that, you know how people have those, the screen protector things that they put on their phone, and you try. try to read their phone over their shoulder on the subway and you're like, why can't I read their screen? It looks like it's blank. It's annoying.

Excuse me, sir. Could you tilt that a little? I'm trying to read your text message? Dude, it's so fun. It's so fun. What's wrong with you, bro? Don't read their stuff. It's so fun watching people.

It is sometimes hard to look away. Like someone will be like standing or sitting in front of you and you don't want to look, but it's just, they're just, it's right there. Yeah. Literally I'm just like cramped up and he's holding his phone like this and he's on Facebook dating. And he's 65 years. It's really fun. business. I can't. It's in front of me. I was very against this feature until just so what's the feature? The feature is some people have said that Samsung is going to be

enabling a privacy mode feature where you get a new notification and it blacks out just the notification area from off-axis viewing. So just to be clear, Samsung announced that they had a press release out with these kind of like teaser videos of like a person on a subway and it would it would pop up and show like your password swipe, and then it would turn it to the side and you couldn't see it. Or a pop-up would come out on where you enter your password, and then it would turn and you couldn't see just that far. And then it just zooms in on David's face.

To be clear, because sarcasm does not go on the internet, I only saw someone's dating app once, and it was Facebook dating. It was very funny. But I don't generally look at people's phones. But I have seen the privacy screen protector many times. I've thought about getting them, and then I put one on my phone and it just destroys the display quality. Yeah.

And I look at it from two degrees off axis and it's starting to turn gray. And I'm like, so I don't love them. This would be hardware level and software level. It's built in. They need to do what the Nintendo 3DS did where it tracks your eyes. So if you're looking at your phone from the side, it still does not polarize it, you know, that would be really helpful. Because I'm not always looking at my phone straight on.

You know, what if it's on the table and I want to look at the notification? It's just black. Well, here's it seems like it's. customizable because they say this is from their press releases a new layer of privacy to shield your phone from shoulder surfing wherever you go so from David Amel wherever you go

and then says multiple settings for adjusting visibility you can limit what others can see based on the level of privacy protection you need you can also choose to protect specific parts of your experience such as notification pop pops it's a tailored approach that you can fine tune or switch off

entirely rather than a blanket one So if you're worried about that, you can have it turned off. I'm assuming it might be like a quick setting, because that would be nice to be like, I'm at home, don't do it. I'm on the bus, quick setting, privacy mode. So David's standing behind me. Yeah. Turn it off.

My David air tag is going off. I'm wondering how this works. I'm guessing that they have some sort of like polarization layer that they can turn on with like electricity or something and it just does that area. Did they explain how it works? No, but I would guess. But it's similar. It's probably.

similar to the way that they work in like the really fancy hotels, how the showers can like turn black all of a sudden. There was apparently something at MWC 2025 called FlexMagic pixel OLED that some people are wondering if that's going to be the technology. But Samsung has not officially. I'll do you one better. If you've seen the Escalate IQ or one of those new Cadillacs where there's a passenger screen, but from the driver's seat, you can't see anything on a passenger screen because it's. distracting? No, because it's polarized, it's black. It looks black to you. So you're not like watching a regular polarizer.

But you can turn that on and off. Okay. So if it's, it turns on when you're driving or when you're in the driver's city, whatever, and you can turn that display on and off, but you can turn the polarization on and on. What is that, Paiso Electric? Is that what they call that?

I think that's more the like tinting sunroofs are electrochromic or something like that. It's probably some sort of polarization through electric current. Yeah. Either way, the ability to, to turn it on and off built into the display. Yeah.

At like a hardware level. Now getting display replacements for this phone are going to be like $400. Yeah. So it's interesting because it seems like a really cool feature and there's all these headlines in the past about, oh, wow, Sam looks like the S26 is going to be basically the same as the S25. Camera should be the same. Like, specs are just going to bump up like usual.

But this is a genuinely new and impressive feature, but it will also be more expensive to do this. And I wonder like what that does the rest of the phone and also repair costs. I just want to be able to attach this to like a Samsung routine or something so that it like automatically turns on when you're commuting. I'm sure they'll let you. I don't know because routines is like hit or miss with what it'll let you do. That's true.

I just recently was like moving my fridge around in my garage and it's one of those Samsung fridges with a screen on it because I didn't like it anymore. Oh, I was like, why does your garage fridge? It was the fridge that came with the house and I hated it and I moved it to the garage and I still have this freezer where I keep my lunches and forget them every day. But it has like the Samsung like smart. things, Bixby, whatever, and it just turns on, it's like, it basically only gets accidentally triggered. Like, I'll open the door and then like the light blinds me. I'm like, why is the

fridge of a light? But yeah, those, those features hardly ever work. So it is a very, a valid assumption that this could also not quite work. Yeah. Question for you guys. Will the S-26 series have G2? Yes. 100%. 100. 100%. 100. No, G2%. So like you have a case and you slap it on. Wait, you have a Chee Too ready. That's Chee Too ready. That's what I think is. Chee 2 magnet in the phone. In the phone I'm saying. It's going to have it. Like Pixel Snap and MagSafe.

Like Google added it last year. So they Samsung has to. They're competing with Google in the United States. They're going to add it. It wouldn't shock me if it was Cheatoo ready. I'm from the future and it has Cheat too. Oh God, I hope so. Please tell me it's brighter

over there. In the future? I got Bad news for you. I've got bad news. Speaking of bad news. The future has a private screen on it, Andrew. You can't see anything. Anyway, speaking of bad news.

Wait, what is the next thing we're going to talk about? Bad news? Oh, no, this is good news, my friend. This is very good news because everybody is leaving this shit. Okay. We got to talk about TikTok again. We talked about TikTok multiple times last year because, you know, during the Biden administration, the Congress passed an act that said they had to sell it or divested, all this stuff.

It got delayed, delayed, delayed, delayed. Boop-to-do, delay. Okay, now we finally entered the darkness zone, which is the area where it did get divested to all Trump's friends, Oracle and a bunch of other investors. So now 19.9% is still owned by ByteDance. 80.1 is owned by Silver Lake Oracle, MGX, Michael Dell's investment firm,

and a bunch of individual investors. In the first couple of days of the change, over, there were some pretty massive loading issues. People are not able to load certain videos. If you published videos, it was showing zero views for a very long period of time. It was not great. Oracle has since come out and blamed that on a power issue. Sure.

It's coming full circle. There was a blizzard. I was watching Blizzard YouTube. Oh, yeah, yeah. There's power outages in Texas, you know? Power outages. I was going to say, is there a data center in Texas? I have no idea.

I don't know, probably. It will be. Also, people have been noticing. a lot of banned words in the DMs. This is kind of all over the place. The Pop Crave, I think, did like a story on this that was like kind of true, but also kind of not true, but also it's affecting people differently. But if you say some individual words like test or Epstein, it blocks your DMs. Both of which failed from me when I tested it.

Did you do just the singular word? I did just the singular word. So what was confusing is the Verge did an article testing it where a lot of singular words being sent in were not sending. But then I saw another test of someone else using some of those words in sentences, and it also was saying something about community guidelines. So it's all so confusing and messed up. And in the midst of this, like, data center outage or whatever with the zero posts. And it's been a rough start for U.S. TikTok.

I'm just going to say, like, there's a lot of conspiracy theories, like, buzzing up that they already changed the algorithm. They're already suppressing your speech. And, like, while I think this is probably incompetence, I also think they won't not suppress your speech, so you should probably just get off this platform. I had a question about this, because wasn't the whole point of this about the algorithm? Was it to keep the algorithm. It is quite cold in here, so Mariah has bundled up accordingly.

Yeah, isn't this the same, like, do they have the algorithm yet? Have they taken that away from Bikins? They said that they have a modified algorithm, yes. What does that mean? No, dude. They don't know either. Rots your brain a little faster. A little bit differently.

A little bit. It's like the sprite from McDonald's versus right. Well, we all know that's better. His algorithm is a McDonald's sprite. So a lot of people are leaving the platform to go and trying to move to this platform called upscrolled, which advertises itself as like being free of moderation. And when you go on upscrolled, you can see why. There are a lot of photos that you don't want to see on there immediately.

It kind of just looks like Instagram too. I don't really know why they're. moving to this specific app when there are many other ones. I will say there's an app called Skylight that's on the AAT protocol that Blue Sky also uses. Look, I'm against short form content in general, but if we're going to move to another short form content platform, we're going to Red Note, baby. Why don't they just go back to Reddite? They already have users on there.

Maybe just try one that can't be owned by billionaires. Maybe that would be great. We tried this. May I suggest YouTube? no billionaires there can't be owned by billionaires yeah YouTube does have a good track record you know if they would just pay people a little bit more

for shorts that'd be great yeah I mean the incentives align with YouTube YouTube would be a better option than than TikTok anyway as you said on Slack the other day when this happened a lot of people are just going to go to over to upscrolled

see that it sucks and then just go right back into TikTok's arms they're going to do that it's sad I have one other thing about TikTok. There was also a lot of posts, not just of words being blocked, but of like these policy changes and about the kind of your privacy and what you would have to, I guess, fill out.

There's like immigration status and stuff on it. But that was there before. That was there before. Yeah, there's Sarah Perez from TechCrunch did a really great article going over all the things that were there, weren't there. And also the super, one of the, It's very nuanced. One of the things was apparently there's a law pass in California where certain things

needed to be fixed. And I think those things had to get fixed before the selling to Oracle and everything. And some of those may have changed. Go read her article. It explains it all. It's very long to actually figure out what all of it is. But there's a lot of incompetence going here. Yeah.

Both incompetence and also just. It's incompetence from a bunch of people I don't trust. So, yeah. The crazy combination. of like stupidity and malice is just making this whole thing really bad. So I would maybe think about YouTube or Skylight. This is the problem with social media in general right now. And I thought Threads was going to help fix this with like actually federating.

I thought Mark was going to fix it all. This is the whole point of us doing all these episodes like two years ago at this point to like to avoid things like this happening where one platform gets taken over or you don't agree with something. And you're just like kind of screw. That's when they thought they had a competition. Yeah. Do you know how I can tell David's not actually from the future? Why? Because he still thinks the Fediverse is going to work.

Wow. Damn. Yeah. Threads basically stopped their federation efforts, and I'm very upset about it. Anyway, TikTok sucks. I say as someone who's never used it. So I'm clearly the person who is using TikTok. It is definitely kind of broken.

I posted a short two days ago or something. something and it has like a 50th of the views that it typically would get. So I'm absurd. And the views kind of froze 24 hours ago and haven't gone up. So something's cold out, man. Facts, facts. I froze 24 hours ago. Yeah.

Fry is currently freezing. Yeah, she is the view counter on this TikTok. It was like 1.5 million views average and this one has 29,000 views and was stuck there for 24 hours. I don't know what's going on over there. Something's broken. Hopefully they fix it soon. And then like get it working again.

Yeah. We can all keep doom scrolling. Yeah, rot our brains. Yeah. Speaking of brain rot. Time to use our brains. Not for this one. Well, kind of.

Okay. We just spoke about Samsung. Yeah. They make a lot of things. Displays, phones, refrigerators, washer machines. What kind of machine is the Samsung

SE130LC-2? What? Probably a bulldozer or something. Samsung is literally the entire economy of a country. I think they could make anything. Literally, you could just name anything and it would be like, oh, yeah, Samsung makes that. I will take the category.

So if you give me the category of thing. Oh. Tech. Machine. Yeah. Not that wrong. Samsung makes it. Okay. Wow.

Wow. That is good trivia. I have no clue. So I hope you guys also don't know. And then we'll all learn something today. Boltzer is not that bad. Excavator. Well, we'll guess.

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All right, welcome back. If you are a video watcher, I am now at the producers' table, and Mariah is still here. Ellis has not been here, but we needed him for this game because there will be teams. So welcome back. Ellis. Teams. Teams.

I can't hear the music right now. It's pretty epic. This is the worst walk-arm music ever. Oh, my God. Who picks this music? This is terrible. Let's just... Whatever team this is for is definitely going to lose this game.

Whoa. All right. That's, that's good. That's like every Disney Channel high school baseball walkout music. Yeah. Okay, so we're going to play a game. Play a game. Uh-oh.

I'm going to explain it. It is based on the game, wavelengths. Have you, any of you ever played? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have never heard of this. For those of you who have not, you've probably seen a video of it.

I've never played, but I have seen people play it, and it looks super fun. It's basically you have a wheel, and on that wheel, there is a one to ten, and you're going to get a, you're going to get concepts. And in that set of concepts, that has a scale between one and ten.

And essentially what happens is one player on each team is going to get a number that person needs to give a clue for their teammate to be able to find where on this scale in this concept we're talking about. Can we get an example? Yes, I have an example. That's kind of a confusing explanation. I think the example will be pretty easy. The example I have is least sold Apple product, most sold Apple product.

So if you get a 10, you're probably going to say the iPhone. If you get one, you could say air power. Vision Pro. You could say Vision Pro. Vision Pro would probably be like a two or a three maybe on there. Maybe AirPods is like a seven. So pretty much if I were to give that to, if I gave the number seven to Marquez, he wants to give the clue to David to try and pick between one to seven.

Oh, I use me a clue. I'm trying to get you to guess the number. The number. So I'm going to say, okay, in my head the number is seven. All right, David, most sold Apple product to least. sold Apple product, most sold as a 10, iPad. And you use that context to try to give a number based on what you think. Based on a scale of 1 to 10.

I probably say 7 or 8. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Okay. The way points will work, five points for the exact number. Three points for one number off in any direction. One point for two numbers off in either direction. No decimals.

We're just doing 1 to 10. Okay. What are the teams? It is Marquez and David versus Ellis and Adam. Oh, wait, so the music was awesome that you picked. Holy crap. Did you not know we were on a team? I didn't have.

So what I will need is... Marquez and I don't have music. Where's our music? We don't need it. We're good. That's true. Yeah, we're locked in. I am going to send the number to each of you in Slack.

Oh. So that you know, if you have something you can look at Slack on, that would be perfect. And then I'll give... I'm also, this is all tech-based. I might give a little more of a category before these. I'll show you an example. So am I allowed to say out loud what the number is? No.

You want Marquez? The whole point is he's supposed to guess the number. So let me start this with... Got it, got it, got it, got it. I feel like Ellis knows what's going on. Yeah, yeah, I've played this game before. Okay, cool. Play the game.

I am going to... Everybody play the game. Can I see Ellis's number while he's trying to get Adam to guess it? You could if you wanted to. I'll just look. But here it is. You say the clue once and then you don't say anything else. It's supposed to be one word, but I'm just going to say one product.

So like, Samsung Galaxy S-25 is an okay. Got it. So I'm going to do for Ellis. For me. I'm going to do, I have a lot of different ones here. Okay. The category is tech CEO. The scale is never heard of them to household name.

Okay. So never heard of them is one. Household name is 10. You're giving a clue of a tech CEO. And your number is. Okay. My mom has never heard of a single tech. Yeah.

10 is everybody knows. One is nobody knows. We should have music playing. I don't know how to do that. Damn, okay, this is a tough one because I feel like this is sort of a binary. Oh, that's a lot of talking. A lot of talking. You only can say a few words.

Oh, you're right, you're right, right, right, right. It's a good thing we had such good walk on music. I'm going to say, I'm going to say I don't remember his name, so I guess I can't. That doesn't want to say. Freaking. Larry Page. That's how I was thinking. I don't even know.

You don't know the number. I don't know the number. You're just thinking about Larry Page. I was just thinking about Larry Page. So my answer needs to be a number. Yes. It's off. My number, you said Larry Page.

Yeah. So my number is going, oh, damn. My number is going to be. You think. That's, Power. That's, really? You think that Larry Page is bad.

Yeah, who knows about Larry Page? I do. People don't know who invented Google? No. Most people do not. Yeah, well, okay, never mind. Mariah's shaking. If I had said Sergey Brin, would you have guessed six?

Eight. No, that's a, oh, six. Damn, I was between six and eight. I should have just been like, do more people know it or people don't know it? I'd say six is a really good. That's a good one. Yeah, damn. No, yeah, that is good.

That's not bad. All right. I get it. I get it. Yeah, we got it. All right. All right. Mark, moving on.

Marquez, I'm going to send you one. Because we're locked in. All right, let's go. Brain blast. So we got one point. Yep, you got one point. Okay, cool, cool, cool. And then I'm crossing these.

Oh, we did get. We got a point. You got one point for that. That's sick. I was just trying to mess up the game. Okay, Marquez. I'm going to do the category's smartphone. The scale is fingerprint magnet

to super clean. So number one would be a fingerprint magnet Number 10 would be the opposite of a fingerprint. It's just really clean all of the time. Okay. Your number is... Tennis clean, tennis clean. Okay.

Yeah, tennis clean. Okay. This is crazy. This one is rough. It's like crazy game. Tennis clean, one is fingerprints never show up. Okay. What?

No, that's just thinking. No, one is fingerprints always. And it's a smartphone. Yeah. I'm in their heads. Rent free, rent free. Lock in, Marcus, Lock. iPhone 12 Pro.

12 Pro. Trying to remember what, okay, it was the first square one. Was this before you went iPhone? Yeah. I didn't switch until the 14 Pro. Okay. But I did review the 12 Pro for Android Authority. Notably not an Android phone.

It was square. Oh, okay. Yes, I'm remembering. It was blue, Sierra Blue, maybe. Why are you looking at me? You're just my like focus target right now. I think, God, it's like right there. Okay, I think I'm going to guess.

Marquez is trying to brain blast this number. Think. Think. It really wasn't insane, was it? I can't look at you. What's your gut reaction? My gut reaction is like four. Oh.

Was it actually four? Yes. No way. I don't know if that was officially him guessing it. I think it should be. Quick on the trigger. I think we should have you were taking long enough. So yeah.

Five points. Wait, do we have unlimited time? No. Well, that's good to know. Mariah will be. There's no official time. It's just whenever Mariah feels like that. That was huge.

So they got two points? Wow. And I'm impatient. So five, crazy. Five points. That was five points. That was five points for the

exact number. All right. I'm taking ten years. I was thinking stainless steel rails. Stainless steel rails would be like a little. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Let's do, which one would else? This is for Adam. You are giving the clue. The category is a social media platform. The scale is zero views to probably viral. So one would be zero. views.

Okay. Ten would be most likely going viral. Based on the platform? Yeah. Like, we all know platforms have different levels of activity. Pushed by the algorithm type of thing. I think you can pretty quickly think like what 10 would be like has the most probability of viral versus what social media platform probably.

Gary V. I think I get it. Well, it's not it's not whether I get it. It's whether I understand Adams get it. That's whether I get it. Yeah. The ones who get it. get it. This is an interesting question for Adam and I because I'm not really on any social media

and Adam only uses like what is it called like walrus or like whatever. Okay, yeah you sent to me. I'm thinking so it needs okay I'm gonna go with levels of virality. Yeah. Okay since we can cut wherever and there's no time limit. Let me think a little bit. Yeah, take your time, bro. What? What? Jesus. Okay, so 10 is obviously this. One is obviously this. So I'm going to say...

A lot of words. A lot of words. It could be 10 or one. Blue sky. Okay. We did... That's a good one. Because, like, on the one hand, literally no one uses blue sky. But the other hand... Oh, true. David, I saw you tweet. Yesterday.

I also blue sky. I skied it yesterday, too. I hate this. Okay. I want to be where the people are. And, man, we did just have our first viral blue sky moment, too, with the bus hijacking. Oh, I forgot. What?

Mariah's like, what? Okay. Clearly it wasn't viral. I feel like there's a lot of words happening. There shouldn't be so many words. Girl, I need a number. Give me a number. Well, I feel like it could be a three because you've already used four.

And I feel like it could be a five because we've already used six. And I don't think it's seven. Please lock in your numbers. Three. My man! Wow. Hey, Blue Sky is more popular than three. Numbers I'm literally just pressing a button in front of me before.

You said possibility of going viral? Yeah. Because there are so few people on Blue Sky. Name your favorite. Yeah, but that's blue sky viral, which is like. Yeah, I mean mainstream viral. That's what I had to think on, like, terms of mainstream. But like, think of like, name of viral tweet.

Tweet? Yeah. There's so many. Yeah. Name a viral skeet. One. Name a skeet that you saw that, everybody saw that. I'd be like, oh, I saw that.

Who's everybody? Exactly. The people who are eternally online. David, I'm going to send this to you now. Lock in, rocket. The clue has to be a smartphone. Okay. And it is on a scale of glad it's dead to wish it was back.

Okay. That's a good one. That is good. Glad it's dead is a one. Do we have the same opinion? Glad it's dead is a one? I just sense you. Glad it's dead is a one.

Ten is a wish it was back. Oh, boy. Okay. So I'm a dead smartphone. Oh, man. A dead smartphone? They're all dead. In.

Okay. Yeah. It's a phone. Um, I'm going to say, the I'm just going to blurt out the first number that comes to my head

LGG7 thin Q LG7 that was the blood glucose one That is a 7 Final answer No Let's go You wish that would come back

You want that back Me personally? Yeah No Oh But he says 7 is pretty high up there But you think David wants it back I think David wants it back

No Oh damn I'm glad you're wrong for all the right reasons. Damn. It was a four. That's zero. Oh, damn. Oh, wow.

Return of the four. Okay. Seems like I know Marquez better than he knows me. Wow. All right, you know, we're still good. We're still good. What's the score? Six to five?

Adam and I don't even need the prompt. Adam, on three, let's say the same word. One, two, three, sandwiches. You said one? One was your word? Oh, your word is one? That's a one. That's the number.

That's a word. Ellis. Ye. The clue is AI capabilities and or feature. So this is an AI feature. The scale is waste of water. It's a necessity. What, one is waste of water.

10 is a total necessity. It's going to be AI over. Yeah, I know. Oh, wait, I have to look at the number. Yeah, right, right, right. That's part of it. Seven more kids. So 10 is, I need this.

Ten is necessity. Okay. Yeah. Super useful. Look me in the eye. Look me in the eye. My Claude Pro subscription. Oh, that's a...

Look me in the eye. No, no, no, up here. You know. That's a nine. Yep, it's a nine. Yeah. Damn. He needs that.

Wow. Mark, we need a lock in, bro. We need a lock in. Locked in. I still think you're using too many words, but that was incredible. I said, I used four words. You said, look me in the eye.

Look me in the eye. You got numbers up here? My quad pro subscription. No, stay up here, stay up here. Stay with me. Lock in, and they still got it, and that was sick, but that was a lot of words. I'm just saying. Fine.

Next time I'll keep it really kosher, man. Marquez, ready? I'm ready. I do not need blood glucose. This is, I really, it's not that important to me. It's not seven. Okay, this is a, any tech product? Any tech product?

But we're judging the name from horrible to great, just the name of the product. So one is the worst name ever. 10 is a great name. Okay, I can work with that. I'm not even going to make a joke. You cooked on these, Andrew. These are good. Yeah, these are good.

Thank you. I need a number. Yeah, waiting on the number. Okay. He's thinking. He's thinking. He's still thinking. Do it.

Because that's a lot of talking. I'm going to be just. LGG5. Okay. That's like pretty damn simple. Um Could this be Could it be?

No No way I'm gonna say You should look him in the eyes It works God we got a lock in bro G5 specifically Interesting

Oh that's so difficult I'm like between two Um 10 Is that your final answer Lock in 10 is good right? Ten is like this name's amazing.

Greatest name of all time. Yeah, I mean, that's how they should be. It is iPhone 17, right? What? Wait, what? No, I'm just saying, like, it's just line number.

Yeah. Can I say what number was supposed to be? Yeah. It was five. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. He put five in the name.

No, that's what I got. Yeah, that was a pretty good hint. Yeah, that was the hint. I thought of that and somehow skipped that on this question. How could it be better? It's the G-line and it's the fifth one. What crossed my mind was like great names, iconic names, MotoX is a really good name.

Yeah, but then they said to call it MotoX second generation. Well, no, but like the original. That would have been like a really high number. Or... Great use of the air horn. As bad as it is, the humane AI pin is like a good name. It's like AI PIN's second generation. I just, if there was no second generation.

The pin too. Anyway. I mean, would you consider the iPhone 17 bad product naming? The 17 specifically? No. But letting it the iPhone. I think that's fairly standard. Really?

Fairly standard. I mean, it's standard, but it's good, right? No, but it's not like the iPhone stinky butt, you know? Like, it's not like a bad name. Well, this is a good game, Andrew. Who won? It's not like the rapid. No, no.

We've got many more lines together. All right, Adam, your turn. The clue is an internet meme, and the scale is never thought it was funny to laugh every time I see it. So 10 is laugh every time I see it. Yes. Okay. I know all of things. I know.

This is going to be crazy. I know all of the memes that Adam laughs at. That's the thing. I don't, but I don't know many memes. So this is going to be hard. I know all the memes you know. Your library. You put gifts in Slack more than anyone.

That's because I'm a millennium, not because of it's. I know the memes. Gifts are not funny. Like to formalize a protest on how many words are being used. You're Yokic and I'm Aaron Gordon right now. You can't miss. They don't know. Oh my God.

Okay, wait. I'm going to go with Nick Young meme with the question marks. Nick Young? Yeah. Oh, is he the like... No, no, no. With the three. With the question.

That one? I've seen that one. Adam, for you? That's like an eight. That's the final answer. Yeah, that's my answer. Are you locking in? Yes.

Yeah. You're unbelievable. What the What the Eights, baby Okay, I'm actually gonna ask you guys I'm under

follow the rules I'm actually gonna ask I said was yeah I saw I heard a lot of NBA references a lot of other words being used That could have been a clue What's his jersey number? I think it's an eight

I think you should just Is his number at eight? Marquez is mad that you might be cheating but for his number five he used the LGG5 hoping to just guess the five I only said two words. No, no, no.

Because next time, it's just poker face. Just get the clue. But also, like, you know, Adam and I edit this podcast concurrently, right? So, like, we don't know what the other person did until we're both done. And so every week, Adam and I play this game. Like, I get to a point, and I'm like, how would Adam edit this? And I know. That's fair.

No, the brain meld was already crazy before this. So I'm not shocked we're not doing it as well. It's like we're an electric car and they're a gas car. We pulled head at the beginning, but then they eventually took over. I need you guys to lock in. All right, David. David, David, come on. All right, here.

David, do you want a phone one or do you want a funny or no, no, no, no. Don't have a video on them. Let me use 70 words, though. Let's make it a game. Okay, cool. Then this is the phone one. No, I'm not going to do the phone one. No?

No, this one is... I need one that Marquez will get. The clue has to be a video game. Marquez is not going to get this. And the category is least likely for Marquez to play and most likely for Marquez to play. But he... There's only one answer. No, Marquez has talked about the games he's played on this podcast.

Why am I talking? It's up to you, David, to know that scale in Marquez's head. I do know that. Okay. Backyard baseball. Oh, that's a good one. Okay. I mean, I'm a big fan of backyard basketball.

You have a lot of backyard basketball. That would be a 10 for me. I've also worn. There's a lot of words happening. A lot of words happening. New Giver is the limited person. I'm saying nine. Let's go.

Damn. It's a nine. Was it a nine? Nice. Nice. See? Let's go. We're back.

We're back. We're actually not. We're not. No, I think you are. We just nailed that. We're not by one. I thought about that one in my head. And I thought 10 would have been 2K.

Nine would have been racing. Did you play 2K? Yeah. I was envisioning like the games you play on camera, like Fortnite, that you don't actually play. I was wondering if you would count Wordle because Wordle would be 10. That would be a 10. That would have been easy.

No, backyard baseball was a good one. That was a great solid. Great clue. Thank you. Well, all right. Good game. We can end it now. No, I got to prove I can still do this circuit.

I'm not saying words. Yeah. This is Ellis, right? Yeah, this is me. Okay, so I have any tech product is the clue you have to give, and it is on a scale of not throwable to super throwable. Not throwable. Physically, physically, is like the most throwable.

It's like the most throwable. Check it again. Vision Pro. Who's throwing it? No, hold on. I didn't send it. I just sent it. Oh, that was the last one.

Yeah, yeah, that was your last. Not throwable to throw. Who's throwing this device? Is it like Ellis or is it Marquette? answer that question. I'm asking you. Oh, I don't know. So just in general, someone throwing this device.

Okay. All right. I have a 10% chance of just guessing this right. They're locking in. iPad mini. I'm going 10. Damn! Maybe it was the banner.

It was seven. I figured like it was slightly less throwable than a phone, but it had the freezing. We got an opportunity here. Yes, we do. We just got to get one to tie. Hell yeah. You guys have to be nervous.

So you're looking at each other. I thought they were going to nail it again, to be honest. I was going to guess eight or ten, and I went. Seven. It's all good, but I was going to say a Canon C-300, but it has a handle, which I think would make you go like nine or ten. So I would pick something without a handle. Well, I was thinking just size is, like,

ball size. Also, like, what's the Olympic sport where you spin around? Yeah. Yeah. I was also thinking of iPad Mini would be, like, a good frisbee thing to tell us. That's what I was thinking, like, seven, you know. But it wouldn't go as far as just, like, chucking. As an iPad pro.

Like an Apple watch or something? What's an actual tent? An Apple watch. Dude, this. Just chuck it. This is like, no. The phone is kind of the most durable. It's dense enough.

Humane pin. Perfect tent. Oh, actually. Yeah, because the weight. No, you'd want something of a little bit of weight. Fitting your hand entirely. It's got a finger hand to be done.

True. Like an AirPods is not very throwable. No, no. What could be thrown farther? An air pod or. Airpod case. Yeah, yeah. In the case.

Yeah. All right. Let's find out. This is a short. Yeah. What's more throwable? Okay, it's Adam's turn, right? No.

No. My turn? It's our turn. It's our turn. For the tie. For the tie, yes. Let's go. Let's do the clue has to be a camera.

Okay. One is over processed. Ten is natural. Oh, this is. There are a million layers of gray here. I love this. One is over-processed, ten is natural. I'm waiting for a number.

Got my number. One million shades of gray. This is a good. one for this team. I know. So, I think, knowing all... Yeah. Knowing all the cameras the way that you guys both do might be a detriment in this

situation. Yeah. I'm scared. Yeah, there's so many choices. An iPhone 5S. 5S. Whoa. Whoa.

That's so specific. Whoa. Gosh. Natural? Natural. All cameras. It's a lot of words. Markes.

Wow. Wow. I mean, 10. 10 is my final answer. Your final answer? Mm-hmm. Okay.

Fuck. All cameras? 10? What do you mean all cameras? Like, most natural. You think all cameras? Like, it's more natural than like...

Compared to other... It is. It has less processing for the JPEGs. Yeah. What about your, like, film cameras? Well, film is processed by the camera. Like, it's different. Like, but the 5S hadn't even introduced, like, HGR or anything.

That's one. No, no, the, the, the set, right around the thing. The 4S you could toggle HDR on or off. Right? That's what I mean. They knew too much. It was a three. It was a three.

I was trying to get you to say three. I was thinking if I, if I got, they hadn't even introduced processing to phones. If I got a high number, I would have said something like a, a film camera or a DSLR, where there's very little. processing, like post-processing especially. But if I wanted a low number, I would go smartphone. Like a one is a modern-day smartphone. Yeah, iPhone.

But like an older smartphone, maybe like an iPhone 5S is more like a 3 or a 4th. That's where I was thinking. They didn't have computational photography when the 5S is out. So do we just want to wrap it up on the last two questions for each team? Sure. Okay. The clue needs to be a tech product, any tech product. And it's on a scale of we need less of and we need more.

Oh, okay. And what's the number, waiting on the number? It is. I'm starting the countdown before we need more AI products. Okay, so 10 is we need more of this. Right? Yes. And one is we need less.

Okay. I'm clarifying no one for myself. Massadon. Damn, you and I would answer this question completely opposite. And I don't know if you're going with me or if we're going with you. That's tough. I'm going to go. Look at me.

Yeah. What's your gut reaction, Ellis? My gut reaction is one. And is that your final answer? I only do the final answers. That's right. Great. Well, that's great.

There we go. Was it completely off? The complete opposite. I knew it was one of those. Okay, so we have a chance to tie. Yes. And two chances to beat them. Yes, we can win.

No, that number was 10. This is our chance. If we get a one-we-tie-tie-tie. No, no, actually If you get a one, you win, I think. No. No, we're one behind you. Are you sure?

According to my notes, I have, you've gotten two on the dot. Two on the dot. And they've gotten three on the dot plus a one pointer. They got three on the dot? Yeah, we did. They got two on the dot. Dude, it was a generational run. Did they really get three on the dot?

I believe so. All right, well, we can make this a respectable guy. Yeah, I'd rather lose by one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, can we just say if we get this correct? we win. No. If you maybe if we get this right, we tie and we can do one more each.

I maybe would have won. Let's see if you get it right first and then. Yeah, okay. So you're sending me the number. I'm sending you the number. The clue needs to be a smartphone. One is cheapest phone possible. Ten is literally the most expensive phone possible.

Okay. Interesting. The most expensive. Sorry, I'm sending it. You need to find all of you. On Slack, yeah. I think I know the most expensive. I figured it was going to be this.

That's a really tough one. Because, like, possible. It's a long tail. All right. Long tail. And there's a lot of things that maybe don't count as phones. How about the pixel 10? Okay.

Now I'm going to think out loud. Okay. So a 10 would have been a caviar, something crazy. A one would be the, like, $2. A phone or something. Yeah. Okay, so pixel 10, the base pixel 10, was a little bit overpriced for what it was, because it was the 128 gig for 799, I believe.

And that iPhone come out for 799, which was 256. So I thought the iPhone was a good deal. Can I say other things or no? No. The pixel, I'm thinking, don't worry, I got this. Okay. So the pixel is a little bit overpriced relative to the iPhone, but in the grand scale of all phones, all phones, 10 being the 3.

$50,000 caviar and one being the $2 track phone. I think the pixel 10 is a solid five. Yes. God. We're cooked. Locked in. Okay, we need to move it. As we're mapping it out, I was like, he's going to fucking get this. I knew the number. Everything he was saying was like,

they're not getting this. Because it sounded like, David even thought there was, no. David immediately was like, I lost this one. And then I saw him like mal-f? The moment his hands went like this. I was like, oh, he's going right down the middle. Yeah, yeah, baby. $8.99.

That was crap. Clutch. Yeah, that was clutch. So, what's the score? Some people still consider the $999, like, expensive, even though it's kind of basically the price of every pro phone now. Yeah. So $7.99's kind of right in the middle, I'd say.

Or $8.99. Whatever is. A generational run. One more each, you can pick who wants to be the clue giver per team, and we'll just make it whoever gets the closest. Okay. If you guys tie again, then. Then we're done.

Yeah. I have that. I think. Yeah, yeah. We got a trivia. Data-wise, I've, the number, when I get the number, we get it right more often. Okay. I'm fine with that.

I think. Do you give a clue? Yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So David's going first or?

No, you should let them go first because I just went. I'll give the hint. You give the hint? Yeah, I'll give the hint. I think you're better at guessing than I am. Okay, cool. This time I'm going to look deep into your soul and not mine. Deep into my soul.

Not Marquez's. deep in my soul. Adam, the clue you have to give is any type of tech product or feature. And one is least likely to come out in 2026. And 10 is most likely to come out in 2026. Okay, okay. Live translation. Let's go.

So 10 is most likely to come out. Yes. Okay. Waiting on the number. Oh, God. Okay. Most likely. Most likely to come out is 10.

Yeah. I'll let the mind. Ellis locked in so hard he's out of focus right now. The camera was stealing my focus. I had to get it back. Pixel 11 Mini. Dude, that's like

Pixel 11 Mini. In 2026? Did you switch by the way, Alice? In 20206, did I switch what? No, would you switch? To Pixel if they put out a mini? Yeah. That's like a three.

You're locking in. You think a pixel? I think that's a, coming out in 2026? No. I actually think that's a great. It was six. The number was six.

It's like it seems like very unlikely, but someone made a video about maybe it happening for some reason. So it's like it's a tough one or I would think like if the like the new rabbit comes out. I give that maybe. I was hoping you were going to say some sort of robot. Yeah. What would you say for six? That's a hard.

Six is tough. I think like what's the new rabbit three and one? Like there's maybe some murmurings about it. Rabbit three and one? Yeah. I was trying to think of something that's definitely. coming out and then a new version of it that's like hit a miss. All of these is so easy to do one in ten.

Yeah. It gets really tough. The problem is like we know what's probably going to come out and that's just tens and then we know what's not coming out, which is ones. How would a pixel mini come out? Like what would they like switch to silicon carbon? Google would announce a smaller pixel. No, no, no, but like... They sell it in stores.

It's tough to get anywhere inside of one and 10 for this one. Like we know it's not coming out, but like what's... I think it would be easier for them to release like an 11 plus and then rebrand. and rebrand the regular 11 as a mini. Plus is a six. Because mini phones don't sell and everyone knows it. But a plus is like Google trying some shit, you know. I was going to say iPhone mini, but that would be like two.

That would be not. Yeah, that would be a two. Asos, stop selling the main. David, we have a chance to do something hilarious. Sorry, I fail us. This gets thrown away right here. Okay, this is the clue you have to give us any tech product. It is.

Shit. Definitely vaporware to best seller. Oh, same number. No. Let me pick another number. Okay. Okay. One definitely vaporware. 10 bestseller.

Got it. Damn. That's a... Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Okay. Way bestseller.

Paperware and bestseller are kind of different things. Yeah. They are kind of... No, but... Someone say the opposite. Honestly? No, no. I know, but it's like, dude.

You know, something that, like, we don't think it's ever going to come out to something that is like obviously coming out and not to throw a wrench in this but in 2026 they can be the same thing like plenty of there are plenty of products of which thousands of people buy them and they never come yeah exactly um what the man thing it's just like a gaseous cloud you know what I mean now you mean like sold tons of units

right yeah I'm gonna say ugh Rabbit R1. Rabbit R1. Wow. Okay. Dang, that's a good one. All right.

So it's not vaporware. Do you know the number? Did you see the number? But it is very little sales. But actually kind of more sales than the Humane Pin. Humane Pin flopped so, so hard because it was $800. The Rabbit actually sold like a lot because it was cheap, even though it was close to vaporware. So I'm going under five, but over two.

So I'm going to go, I'm between three and four. Rabbit R1 Vapor to Sails is a 3 Locked It was a 4

Thank God But let's go We were close So we That was so closer If we're just Counting the last We won the tie break

Yeah You won the tie break When it was never tied in the first place So I'll let the audience Decide who was the winner of that game Really out of it all I was got

Yeah The mind that was crazy But that was I was like That was good game So close Yeah because I was thinking It's kind of vaporware

in terms of what it delivers, but it did sell a decent amount of them because they were cheap enough. Right. So the features were vaporware. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. That's good. Okay.

Well, cool. Guys, earlier this episode, I foisted a trivia question upon you guys, which means it is time to answer it. Hit it. Yeah. I have a red marker now. Feels good. Trivia time. Yeah, I swapped them out when you're looking.

See mine now. Guys. Did we get the second trivia question asked already? Yeah. What was it about? The Samsung product. I don't know. What about?

just how to make everything like bulldozers. Oh, yeah. Okay. Sorry. Go for it. So guys, Apple names all of its chips after letters. I guess maybe not all of them, but all the ones that I know of are named after letters. You're going to cut that, right? No.

Apple names all of its shipped after letters. I thought of this because Airtag just came out, uses the U1 or U2 or whatever it is. So whoever can give me the longest word that only uses letters present in Apple chips gets this point. Can I make a request?

No plurals. You couldn't do a plural. There is, there's an S chip. That's... Girl, you made the question. Yeah. It has an S in it. Which one's the S-5 chip?

Do you... We were... The S-5 chip. What does it do? The S-1. Who cares? Yeah. It's a letter.

Yeah, the S2. It's the Apple Watch. No, in that case, plurals are totally allowed. They're allowed? Yeah. It's just a free one for... Sure. Yeah.

Who doesn't love free? But it's even. I live in Zoran, Momdani's New York. I love free. That's right, baby. Thank you. Come. Cut.

No pressure, but there's music playing, and the music is a timer. This was a really difficult question. I think they got this. I would fail this immediately. I've already failed. That's a word. Ron. What if they don't have a word?

I don't know if that's a word. They're going to. I wish there was an E. I can give you a hint. There's real words. I think the longest word that I saw on the internet was a kind of grape. That's not going to help me at all. You guys don't know your grapes?

A kind of grape. I'm super interested here. Yeah, okay. I have a lot written down, but I have my one answer. Pick your longest one. Yeah, who wants to go first? Who thinks they have the shortest one? I probably have the shortest one.

David? I wrote warts. That's pretty funny. That's a good one. that's pretty good that's five letters five letters that backwards is a word too straw is that

so there's two words right there okay yeah don't I made an anagram that's not an anagram it's a palindrome yeah palindrome okay so five letters for David five letters for David

way to go david it's really 10 isn't palindrome the same forward and backwards yes yes yes so it's not a gosh you idiot I don't even know my grapes. I read a lot of things. I'm pretty sure untrust is a word. Oh.

So I'm going with one, two, three, four, seven letters. I did not think about this. Untrust. I assumed we would all. Wouldn't it be untrustworthy? I don't know if you'd be using it as a verb, right? Like, I used to trust you and now I untrust. Because it's trust.

No, because it's trustworthy is a word and then untrustworthy, un is the. But can you, can I untrust you? I don't know. I haven't Googled it. Maybe. That's my longer word. I have a bunch of six-letter words, but that's my seven-letter words. It is considered a scribble word if we're going by a Scrabble Dictionary.

Untrust is a noun on Marion Webster dictionary. A noun? A noun? Like untrustables? I am betrothed with untrust. Oh, a trust. You could have an untruth. It has the most barren-looking page I've ever seen.

It's no information. I just wrote it just on the anagram generator. It's not on the anagram generator. Wow. It's like truthy-looking page. Did I beat the system? Yeah, I think so. And I also never said that you couldn't use a letter twice,

which is why it didn't show up on the end of the hand of the hand of the diagram. Oxford English Dictionary says the word is now obsolete. Mariah, is it AI overview or not? It was, but now he's on another competing dictionary website. Let's hear him pretty deep. Let's hear your word. Yeah, let's hear your word. Yeah, we'll adjudicate it.

Let's hear your word. Is it longer than five? Yeah, I don't think I can name all. Planet? Saturn. Oh. Wow. A planet.

That's a good one. So David has five. Andrew has six. And Marquez, if the word is real, has seven. I have a bunch of sixes that are crossed out to get the seven. Ellis and Mariah should decide this because they were the ones who asked the question. I'm leaning towards. I'm sweating right now.

Yeah, of course you are. You're dressed like you live in an igloo. I'm inclined to give them both a point for this one. I simply Googled untrust and it appears to be a word. It's also a movie type of? I guess, yeah, do we want to count using the same letter twice? It's a short film on IMDB. It's, I don't know, man.

We didn't say he couldn't use the same letter twice. No, I did not say that. And I didn't either. Yeah. But, but, yeah, no, I think Marquez gets this one. Yeah. Saturn is so good, bro. Saturn is really good.

Saturn is very good. You do all the planets, man. Wait, wait, wait, what if I do Saturn's? Plural. You said I can plural. No, but it's Saturn's, no, but Saturn's what? That's not plural. That's a possessive.

But you didn't write that now. Saturn's one of the planets that I do know. That's an abbreviation. If I wrote untrusts, is that plural? I don't know. I guess I'll take... I think, I'll take... I think, yeah, I guess we have to go to Marquez.

Fair's fair. I would give it to Marquez. The grape I was thinking of was muscat. Hmm. Okay. I didn't... The only type of grape I know is grape. You don't know of Concord grape?

No. Red, green, cotton candy. Cotton candy. Candy grape. and candy. And now you guys know a muscat grape. What is that? Is that a wine grape? It's a grape that you make wine out. Yeah, okay. Not so. I learned something new.

I'm a comment. All right. Next question. After that, what was supposed to be an easy straw. I need an eraser. Can I get an eraser? Straw. Straw. The way you said that.

It's because when you read it word backwards, like, you never heard it before. It's like, oh. Oh, straw. Okay, so we spoke about Samsung before. But they do make, Oh, the big ones. Besides displays and refrigerators and phones and all that stuff, they also make a thing with the name.

Six. Six. The Samsung SE-130 LC-2. What type of thing is it? S-E. I have not seen the answer to this question. S-E. Ellis, you can take a guest to.

Yeah, you can take a guest, too. Saturn. MC130 LC-2. I will accept the, like, category of the thing that it is. Category? If you want, as well as actually what it is. I'll take both. Category, category has to be fairly specific.

You can't say, yeah, it has to be like, yeah. Household item. Do you think it's like a... Worldly object. Oh, sink. Could it be a sink? Flip them and read. What do you got?

I put lawnmower. Lawmower? It's probably hoping it's a tank. No. I put excavator. Andrew, what did you put? Microwave. It is, actually...

Wait a washing machine. Oh, yeah, Ellis, what did you put? What did you do? I put a lawnmower. I think it's a bulldozer. A bulldozer, interesting. That's... You would have gotten a point, but Marquez actually gets the point, because it is actually

an excavator. I can't even say that word. There's no way. It is straight up a construction vehicle, specifically a crawler excavator. What? The only way! Let's go. That was a completely random game.

He said it earlier and I was like, I really hope he guessed that. Dude, it's a completely random guess unless you hang on on Wikipedia and you know one of the largest subsidiaries of Samsung is Samsung heavy machines. You know, you could argue that a lawnmower excavates grass from the lawn. That's true, but you wouldn't call it an excavator. Yeah, I might. Well, it was just my cavator until it broke up with me. Jesus, I think that's where we end this podcast. That's pretty good.

I'm very happy to end this pod on my most successful trivia run in recent memory. That's true. What I know, baby. Very excited about the points. We'll do a score update on the screen, I'm sure, just to really lock that one in. I'll forget it right. But yeah, thanks for, it's still January. That's crazy.

Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Thanks for subscribing. And we'll see you very soon in February when it's even colder. Pace out. Wait from us produced by Adam Alina, Ellis-Rovin, and Mariah Zank. We're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network, and a try out of your music was created by Vain Sil. Go. Let's go.

This is why it's the news of the year, honestly, to me. I know we were thinking OLED MacBook Pro and them killing other products in the folding iPhone, but this is what we were waiting for. Totally worth a meeting.