Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - I Don’t Need AI in My Toothbrush

Episode Date: September 4, 2026

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David jump right into it by discussing the differences in YouTube views now that Viewflation has been happening for a full week. After that, it's all about GoPro, Markiplier, and what a "review" actually means. Then they talk about some new Android features before getting into the new AI Dyson toothbrush. We wrap it all up with some show and tell and trivia! Links: Philip DeFranco - Markiplier GoPro video Markiplier - GoPro Mission 1 ILS Review The Verge - Markiplier becomes GoPro biggest shareholder Sonos Ace Ultra Dyson CameraJet Citizen Ani-Digital Temp Veo camera Radio Garden Chipolo Loop Voltra I This episode brought to you by: Framer: https://www.framer.com/wave Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/waveform Follow us on socials: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome back to another episode of the Wayform podcast. We're your host. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. I'm David. We've got a little bit to talk about this week, the first week of September. And I kind of think of it as like a ramp. Like, we're going to ramp up into way more stuff in September.

But we still have a good amount. We're gonna talk a little bit more about engaged views and how our opinions might have changed about that since last week. Some thoughts on this whole GoPro situation, a new Google Find Hub feature that's actually useful, and a Dyson toothbrush that might not be as useful. And then at the end, we're gonna end with a little bit

of a show and tell, which should be a good time. Mine's in a briefcase, by the way. I just want you guys to know that. Kind of is in a briefcase too. Yeah, it'll be good. Nice. Where can I find a briefcase? It came with the thing I bought actually.

It's a, we'll get there. Okay. But first, did they even test this? Do we have any? Can I go again? Yes, of course. This is turning into YouTube is screwing with Andrew. I cannot assume anything else is going wrong other than they are personally attacking me.

But I've showed you all this. For whatever reason, in my YouTube app right now, and I have closed the app, I've restarted my phone. I've done all the things you were supposed to do. Yeah. But anytime you click on a video, it is now in half dark mode. Half light mode, where all of the video and description and comments are in dark mode, but all of the recommended are in light mode underneath. Is your system?

And even when I close it. Your whole system's in light mode. My whole system is in light mode. And like this is the homepage of YouTube, right? It's in total light mode. Then I click on a long form video. The top of the U.I and the comments are dark mode. And then the related videos underneath that are still light mode.

your YouTube apps I've never seen that stuff You have some weird feature flags going on in your YouTube bro I have to only assume that someone's screwing with me at this point They're like I bet I could get Andrew to mention this on the podcast next week

Yeah You're welcome I did I really would love if there's like An internal YouTube leaderboard For how many times you could get Andrew to shout out your product I don't know if it's shouting out in the did they even test this feature

That's what they say you know You're talking about YouTube every single day. That's true. Well, we're going to keep talking about YouTube. That's right. Yeah. Okay, so remember last week we went over, I presented some numbers for you guys with video.

I said, you should guess the difference between engaged views and publicly counted views of a recently uploaded MKBHD video. And do you remember what happened last week? It was like... 40K. Like a million and a half view video had like a 40,000 view difference between public and engaged. I present to you the same video five days later. Okay. What do you think the difference now is between publicly counted views and engaged views?

Ooh, is it closer to the like 40% difference that I was forecasting before? I brought in different numbers, and based on those numbers, can you tell me what the engage views are? The engaged views are 3.2 million. I'm guessing five. The public views are 4.6 million. So the same video has sort of diverse. We came away from that first thinking, oh, it's actually not as bad as we thought. We thought maybe it was going to be plus 50%.

But it turns out it's only like maybe a 2% difference. But now it's that particular video, what I'm guessing happens is when it first shows to your audience. It's not that big of a difference because it's not getting shown publicly or recommended as much. And so there aren't people just like skimming for one second and leaving. But over time, more and more people will do that on a video that gets lots of impressions. And so now the difference is plus 1.4 million views on this video. And I've started to see a lot. We've seen this across our channels now.

We saw this on the last podcast episode. What were you saying, Adam? Well, I have it. The last clip posted yesterday. Yeah, I haven't seen that. The last clip posted yesterday was a one of ten. And I was like, oh, man, it's really crushing. Yeah.

And then I remembered all of the news. So this one right now is at 127K. The third other one, like number three on the list, is 77K. That was the last number one. I have the metrics from my last podcast episode, which, to be fair, it was a banger. The thumbnail had a Samsung picks or Google and Apple product in it, which like four waveform gadgets and thumbnails. Should pop.

Yeah, should pop. It was a one out of ten. Which was expected. I was like, if any of them are going to be one of ten, it's going to be this one. I agree. Until next week. So it has. at the time of recording 496,000 live views

250,000 engaged views. So it is double. That's crazy. If you were just going by engaged views, it would be a 3 out of 10. Instead, it's a 1 out of 10 by 2x. Yeah. So depending on your upload cadence as a YouTuber,

your next nine uploads will all be slightly confusing until you dig in a little bit. I was thinking about this and it's like, they'll just like 10 uploads. A couple weeks you'll be done. Michael Reeves is going to be 65. By the time his is finally finished in his last 10 and changing. I saw a few YouTubers this week that were posting, like, celebratory posts of like,

oh my God, I feel so grateful. I can't believe this video did so out. I was like, ooh, who's going to tell him? Who's going to tell them? My theory, though, yours was that it comes early and doesn't start getting recommended later. Diverages, at least with this video, started diverging after like 24 hours. So based on last week's pod, my theory is that it actually, just took longer than 24 hours

to really roll out the new stuff. Because when you released that video, it was on the first day it was supposed to go live, and we saw very little difference. But then Friday, like two or three days after, I think, when we released the pod, from the get-go, it was just one out of ten skyrocketing. Okay.

I have an alternative theory. Okay. I think that there are some channels where the audience that always watches the video as soon as it comes out, if there's more people that are like, that, the views will not be as divergent immediately. Yeah.

But as YouTube just starts putting those videos on people's home pages, like across YouTube, that's when they start to diverge. And I think your main channel is going to have more of that. That's a fair point. But things like Wayform or to Adams' waveform clips, Wayform clips is something people kind of like tune into occasionally and then they leave and maybe it'll surface on their homepage. But they don't necessarily always watch it.

Yeah. Yeah. So interesting. Different types of videos, still, we will. continue to keep a finger on the pulse of this, but it's like different types of videos, different types of channels. My theory from like weeks ago was that this iPhone Fold Impressions video is probably going to be the most viewed video in 24 hours of our channel's history.

Maybe competing with the PS5 unboxed. And yeah. Yeah, I think as of right now, the Vision Pro, like, first review I did and the PlayStation 5 unboxing are the top two. I think those both had like a million views in an hour and then like close to 9. million to use in 24 hours. Before viewflation. Before view of each, back in our day. Back in the good old days. Yeah. So we'll see. I have one more gripe about this. Yeah. So a lot of the public statements from YouTube to creators was like, guys, everything's going to be exactly the same as you've always had it.

Don't worry. This is just public facing. You have engaged views. That's still what you're getting paid on. That's still what getting into the partnership program is going to be. Don't worry. Everything's the same. Inside the dashboard, it still just shows us the new public views. So now in order to see exactly what we were seeing before, you have to go to YouTube Studios, click Analytics, click Advance mode, then in a drop-down menu, select Engage Views because it's not even defaulted on, to then now compare Engage Views to Live Views.

So the dashboard is pretty much useless at this point. It is just a bunch of fake views showing, yeah, charts are completely insane. Charts on older videos are funny because you can see. it, you can see the bump when the new views kicked in. Oh, yeah. Because that's a weird chart. You'd never see a chart for videos like that, but now you can see it. So the dashboard, the easy to look at, just get an idea of how a channel is doing

in the last 28 days. Obviously right now is really weird because halfway through that it changed. But like, it's still strange to see a, first of all, a views that are crazy, which always shows it like, you're doing better or worse than within the last year. So for the next year, it's going to compare it to the month previously. and be like, holy cow, you're killing it. It's your best March ever. It's your best March ever.

And then our revenue is going to be by that looking like half of what it generally is. Or it's going to look the same of what it's been. Same revenue. With the views being double, so looking like it's getting paid. What's funny to is yesterday I was looking at some of the numbers on waveform clips channel. I'm just like going through, you know, digging through analytics as you do. And I was like, you know what? Let me just ask the AI to see what it thinks.

So I asked the YouTube AI. It's in the creator and I'm like, hey, can you summarize the last like 12 months of this channel? Let me know any trends, whatever, blah, blah. Just let's see what it says. And in that answer that it gave me, there's a disclaimer at the end where it's like, just so you know, YouTube changed how views work. So everything from this point forward is not going to mean shit, basically. It like gave me its own disclaimer about how to think about views, which was really interesting.

That's actually surprising. Yeah. To be fair, the views in the dashboard has the little, like, excursable. warning sign, and when you hover it, it says that. But it still just doesn't feel useful as a creator when all of these things I can. Add a new box that says live views, engage views, I think it's like CTR and revenue. Like, give me something there because that's the dashboard. Advances when I really want to dive in.

Now just to see the regular stuff I was used to seeing, I'm five to six clicks deep, which is really annoying. Yeah. Let's just tell all the sponsors that we doubled our views this year and they should pay us more money. I think that's the only logical. I have one more across the channel. This is the last, like, however long this has been on, engaged views for the last month,

32 million. Total views, 42 million. Wait, and it's been one week. It's been a week. And it's added 10 million X views. So, yeah. That just means that you have good impressions. Buckle up.

It does mean if you have a large back catalog that this number will be high for your channel. Yeah, yeah, true. At least one that keeps getting views. I think tech shouldn't get as many views because old tech videos probably don't. Yeah. Resurface as much, but anyway.

Yeah. Yeah, it's all happening. All right. Speaking of YouTube, this is kind of YouTube related, or at least it has to do with the YouTuber, which was the Markiplier-Slas GoPro situation that's unfolded over the last couple of days on our timelines and on our feeds,

and has a lot going on to it. We never make situation as crazy videos because we're not drama farmers. We try not to be drama farmers. However. Okay. This has to do with a product we've talked about before. Yeah. Cinema cameras, which we love.

And a YouTuber that I don't watch him, but I have no issues with him. Yeah. This is, and it's specifically something happened that's very similar to stuff that happens to us all of the time. Listen, we need no explanation because in the Philip DeFranco video, Marquez is in the thumbnail. So we can talk about it. Just because Marquez left a threat's comment. I commented once. And I am now the face of the reply.

Yeah. I guess you better double down then. Yeah. Do not. Okay. Let's first start with what actually happened and then we can give our takes. Sure. So, GoPro, I don't know how much you guys have followed stock prices.

I personally don't very much. But if you think about GoPro as a company for the last decade, what do you think of? Oh, Hero 6, Hero 7, Hero 8. They've been making this camera over and over getting slightly better, slightly better. But generally their lunch has been starting to get eaten by the DJIs and Insta 360s of the world. And if you look at their stock price

for the past 10 years or so, it's been trending downward for a long time. It's been cratering down. It's kind of flatlining. If it was a ski slope, the footage from the GoPro would look down. It would be a bunny slope. That is good.

That is good. So that's just kind of the background noise about GoPro. And then there's this headline. I don't remember two days ago, whatever it was, that, oh, Markiplier, the YouTuber you guys all know, one of the biggest creators ever, just became one of the largest individual shareholders

of the entire company of GoPro. Everyone went, whoa, wow, okay, what does he know? 8.5%. Yeah, pretty big headline. There was an article that came out. It was an interview with him, so that gets surfaced. A whole bunch of people parrot that headline

and sort of go, wow, he's really invested in GoPro suddenly. That news gets out, the stock price bumps, quite a bit, probably by like 150% in one day on that news. It doesn't necessarily mean much because it's essentially a penny stock at this point, but it is a multiple of what it was. And then... I think even just where you are there, those two headlines make everything seem really intense. Like, biggest investor in GoPro ever gets unveiled.

8% though. It's not like he's not a majority stakeholder. Sure, but in a company as big as GoPro, it's kind of shocking that a YouTuber is suddenly the biggest individual shareholder. first thought with that is, GoPro's in a really bad spot if YouTuber is now the highest. Yeah, but he's also like,

he's got a lot of money. He's very, very famous. For sure. Filmmaker, etc. He made a very successful movie recently. Yeah. It's still GoPro gigantic company we think of. Also,

just to add to this timeline, just right before all this news came out that he acquired a 0.5% of the company, he put out a comparison video between the GoPro Hero ILS, which is, we've talked about this. Mission ILS, not Hero, sorry. We've talked a lot about this interchangeable lens system GoPro. Seems really cool.

Seems really like a good camera. We've been excited about it. He put out like a comparison video that was that versus a red. A commoto. Or no, it wasn't a commoto. It was a commoto. It was a commoto? It was a commoto? Oh, okay.

Yeah. And it was a little confusing because he said it was a sponsored review. I'll get to that. The witchymoron. You can't, I mean, look, he's not generally a reviewer, so I will give him a pass for not really understanding that you can't really call something a sponsored review because it's kind of an oxymoron.

But I'll give, he's not a reviewer, so I'll give him a pass for that. But he does do a video several days before the news, reviewing slash talking about this GoPro. Yes. And in our world, sponsored and review, like David said, it's just like, big old no-no, that does never happen. That's the part that I have thoughts on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I'll get to that. Okay. So that happened before the Bloomberg article, which announced that he had now owned 8.5% of the news comes out. Holy crap. Markiplier, so invested in GoPro, we must really believe in the company. Maybe he knows something. I don't really know. The next day, there's this huge announcement that there's a merger acquisition type of

deal that's happening where GoPro is merging with this company that is going to use that technology for a whole bunch of other stuff down the road. I think it was this like $280 million acquisition or something crazy. like that. Yeah. Can we say the other stuff? Because I think that's where a lot of people are. Yeah. What do they say? AI, defense, etc. Defense, government robotics. One of them is in Woodman's email to the company. He says, they're very strategically positioned in the AI infrastructure industry as an up-and-coming U.S. manufacturer of optical transceivers that we believe will bring in meaningful high-margin revenue. Yeah. Everyone assumes that to be flock camera adjacent.

Yeah, I read that as, oh, GoPro, their price is really low right now. They're expertise is tiny cameras and optics. We can do something with that. That's why we'll buy them. Markiplier makes a stream, actually he talks to Philip DeFranco in his video and then he goes on a stream explaining, this looks a lot like insider trading. I did not know this is going to happen. So he makes it very clear. He did not know that that acquisition was coming. He'd been acquiring shares for months and months and months before this. And then the news comes out and then one day later this extra news about the acquisition comes out so i totally give from the benefit of the doubt on just what he's saying at face value and even a step into that it was like his SEC filing was august 20th

which is then another week posted on go pro's thing which is then when the interview reaches out to him yeah and it just gets posted a week later happens to be a day before which i can relate to typically i've done interviews where i'm like this will come out tomorrow right yeah and then it's two weeks later oh okay i forgot i did that um so all of that is the background noise. I said that the one public thing that I said about this was on threads, which was basically I said, I'll just read what I wrote. This is not a line I see crossed often, but to each their own. And it was just reminding me of what you brought up, David, which is that when we and the waveform studio see the word review on a video, that means something

very specific to us. Yeah. And as reviewers who do lots of reviews, It's kind of funny. He made this joke in the beginning of his video. Like, I'm coming for you, tech reviewers. I'm in your house now. It was a joke that he was making. But it's like, all right, welcome to that arena, Mark. Like, there's a lot of baggage. There's a lot of baggage that comes with being in the arena of tech reviews and journalism, etc. Leave why you can. So that video that he made, he called it a review and he compared it pretty earnestly to the Red Commodo. Had a lot of nice things to say. And we can even take all of his words in that video at Facebook. value that he really believes in it. He thinks that footage is better. It does higher frame rates of slow motion, et cetera, et cetera. Great tool really believes in it. He says somewhere in the first like two minutes of that video that this video is sponsored by GoPro. He later on the Philip the Franco interview explains that that individual video wasn't actually necessarily

sponsored by GoPro, but he just wanted a way to explain that he had some financial incentive to make this video. Which I probably would have just said I own 8.5% of the company. Yeah. So that's That's tricky. I have his response when you... Okay, great. I think... So in the U.S., we have all these... We have the FTC.

We have all these rules that you have to, you know, explicitly in the first few seconds or a minute of the video, disclose when a video was sponsored, verbally and on screens. There's a box you can check in YouTube behind the scenes and all that.

And he decided that that was his way of doing that. I think you should just say that you're an investor in the company if you are. I think a sponsored video is a slightly different relationship to that company than an investment of that magnitude in that company. Yeah. So that's why I said, because Mark said in a responsible to Franco, I don't really know what line I cross. I don't know what Marquez is talking about.

That's the line that I think was strangely crossed when you typically don't see in the tech review space somebody doing a sponsored video with a relationship to the company and calling it a review. because we have this relationship with the word review. Which, to be fair, not everybody thinks about the word review that way. I see this all the time. I'm making impressions video of the new phone that comes out. People go, oh, nice review. In my head, I'm like, no, this is not the review. But in the spectrum of the way people think about tech videos,

if all the way on one side is schooled, trained journalist, and all the way on the other side is someone who's never done this before and is just making their first video, I think tech reviewers sit pretty close but distinctly different from journalism, and we get torn apart for the difference between us and journalism all the time. But there are lots of viewers and lots of people all over the spectrum that have their line in the sand in a different place. Markiplier, I'm wearing his merch right now. I literally watch his videos.

I think he's a great guy, great creator. He's made that film we all love. He is nowhere near that end of the spectrum. He is over here. and he's using the word review or comparison willy-nilly. That's why I think that's a line that I typically don't see cross. That's cool. What's funny is I think outside of the tech world, that line gets crossed all the time.

I do. I'm sure there are people who use the term review reviewing other products that I'm sure do it all of the time. Even in the tech world, I see it now because we have what we think of as tech review videos, which is like long-form YouTube videos. There's now like TikTok creators. There's now like Instagram Reels and YouTube shorts and people will do what they would call a review and it's sponsored all the time. And I see that on my feet and I'm like, what?

Yeah. Yeah. That was something we could do. The word review kind of took on a colloquial meaning within our sphere of understanding. And I think that probably people who were early to watching and consuming tech videos also understood that the word review meant it was unsponsored, unpaid for, unbiased to the extent that you can be unbiased. You know, the actual word review means like that you're evaluating something or judging its quality, you would hope that if you're judging its quality, there's no influence in what that quality is. And if there is, it should be disclosed. And yeah. Or if there's the potential, I would say, I still, the majority of the times I see people doing sponsored things and then giving opinions, like,

I usually actually believe them. But there needs to be the disclosure. So if someone wants to take that piece with a grain of salt, because there is a transaction going on, it should be in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You need to give the audience the ability to make their own decision about and then you trust the creator as you will this is another reason why i think i'm i'm considering making it was like i looked up like six years ago we made a can you trust mkbhd video in which i outlined all of my essential like guidelines for understanding our relationship with companies and how we make these videos and i think i might do like an updated version of this because there's so many like smaller lines in the sand now that

people can get stuck on or totally accept like Mark's video, he had an affiliate link in the video. I think it was labeled properly, but it's an affiliate link. Some people hate that all the way on the journalism side. That's a complete no-no. No affiliate links at all. And then if you further yourself from that line, it's like, oh, yeah, there's an affiliate link. Obviously, if you want to buy the product, check out. It supports me.

I see that from YouTubers all the time. So that's a small line in the sand people like to talk about. Yeah. So there's all kinds of smaller access, the access that you get if you're in the first wave of coverage of a product versus out of it. If you benefit from that access, should your coverage be less valid or less valuable? It kind of depends. There's a whole bunch of other flags there. It all depends on the way you think of the word review.

I think that's a great idea for an updated video because the audience has become more privy to the way that things work too. And a lot of people have called out very valid things, like access to your point. Like even though, you know, we get devices in and then we evaluate them and then we either send the back or whatever, like people not spending your own money on a thing is an implicit change in the way that you think about a thing. Yeah. You know, so. I think there's a lot of really good responses to that too specifically. I think there's like a clip from Mr. Mobile showed up where he's like. Like, you know, you might think that I get a box with a free phone in it that shows up in my desk and I get, oh, I'm really excited.

I better make a nice positive video. But when that box shows up, it might as well just say work on the screen. Yeah. Like, I've been doing this a long time. Like, I think that when people watch videos like this, they put themselves in the shoe of the reviewer. 100%. Which makes a lot of sense. I would do that if I was watching a video.

If I was reading a restaurant review, I would put myself in the shoes of the person who's writing that review, maybe who had. who had a reservation that got like delayed or something, I'd be mad. So you put yourself in the shoes of the reviewer and you go, oh, they got the computer for free. If I got the computer for free, I would feel a certain way about that. I might not always, I might feel pressure to say nice things. But I think there's an extra layer of, well, they're professional. They've been doing this for a long time.

If you do a good job as a reviewer, that does not have any effect on what you're saying. But not everybody thinks about it that way. There's also has no effect. And then there's like, there is like implicit. effect that you can't even really understand. You know, I don't know, like, shelling out 1,200 actual dollars for a thing is like, it does feel different. If you had to do that and then review a product, you probably would think a little bit

differently about it. Yeah. Quick addendum. We, like, most of these things that we get for free, we said back. Yeah. That's something not a lot of people think. Most people do. It's not, it's not like, it's not like it becomes our property.

Like, most of the time, there's a legal thing that states that is a, still a company's property, we're just, you know, holding it. Yeah, yeah. It's logged in a database somewhere in them. Yeah, and they ask for it back. That's another line in the sand. Not everybody discloses that. That's one of the things every single time I review a product that was provided by the company. I have a line in the description of the video that says who the product came from. Yeah. No one has to do that. Nobody told us that's just a random line in the sand. Some people want to know. So that's another click aside. Yeah. I think this video is a good idea because I've had not a ton of people,

but more than three people asked me this week. What do you do with all the stuff? No. Everyone always asked that. What are the new iPhones like? You guys have them in a studio. Oh, yeah. I didn't get that.

To be fair, Apple is... We don't. I know, but Apple is like the only company that doesn't seed stuff out early. Every single other company does give us stuff like a week early. Apple, we don't... So you guys know. We don't know anything actually about these phones

until the entire world knows about them. Everything we know, you know, because we talk about it every week. This is why the iPhone impressions videos and first look videos hit so hard is because that's actually everyone's first impressions of it and first unveiling. They do their best not to get leaked like everybody else, but like literally every other tech company who has something out, they have a program, they have preceded devices so that people who really want to evaluate it can spend meaningful time with it.

Cameras especially like, if I get a camera five days before, it's like, you're time to publish a video. I need to go somewhere, take pictures. A whole bunch of comes with that. So people send camera reviewers stuff for weeks and months, which makes a lot of sense. It might take me one or two weeks to review a phone and take it places and burn through battery and see what it's good at. That's typical.

Apple is like the only company that doesn't do that for anything. They do eventually have a review embargo. Like we get devices before the public can purchase them. But we don't know anything about them until everyone else in the world knows everything about them. Yeah. So, yeah, we will not know anything about these iPhones. until you guys do next week.

How many people have actually texted you about this? Because I've had two so far. You've had three years. Oh, really? I just got done wrapping my phone off at service, and the service guy was like, so, uh, how about that new cold? He probably knows more than you do.

He's been reading the articles. People at Best Buy see this shit before we do. He's been reading the articles, you know? That's a totally, people wonder about these things. Yeah. I mean, I was in Portugal a few weeks ago, and someone was like, so, like, you guys, like, of course you say better things about the companies that pay you more, right?

And I was just like, what are you talking about? Yeah. Why do you think this is the case? Well, the reason they think that is because there are reviewers who's line in the sand is in a totally different place. Because they're not. They call themselves a river or they're not. Yeah.

And I'm willing to start beef on that end. I think this video, whenever I make this video, it's going to really lean on that line in the sand. Yeah. Analogy slash visual. Because it's literally every single reviewer puts their line in a different place. And a lot of people who call themselves journalists, there's almost like an invisible code where everyone knows exactly what we do and what we don't do as a journalist. And that's great.

But it's like outside of that, there is a huge spectrum of, oh, yeah, I'll just do a sponsored review, whatever. There's a reason the annual Qualcomm information keynote thing is in Hawaii. You know, it's not subtle. Yeah, nobody would go otherwise. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think this is what's confusing because when there were only like three publications, like newspapers, covering tech at all. It was like Walt

Mossberg at the Wall Street Journal. It was like there were two or three people in total that were covering technology. They basically all had all the same standards and the same line in the sand. But as the world of technology has gotten like diffused into all these different media outlets

and different types of media and then influencers were not a thing that existed back then. Yeah. Now go to this event and there will be mostly influencers. Yeah. And what people mostly see is content from influencers. because there are way more influencers than there are Wall Street journals.

And so what they see on their phone is going to be the lines in the sand that most of the influencers draw, which are all different. It also depends legally where they're from. Like the U.S. has very different rules. Also huge. Different rules in Canada than South America.

Like, there's a lot. Yeah. We've noticed that and sponsored. We'll see a sponsor campaign where a creator from the U.S. discloses in the first minute and a creator from Canada just doesn't. And you're like, oh, right.

That's because it's different here. Right, totally. Totally. They don't have to. So, yeah, the lines in the sand get drawn by government sometimes, too. Yeah. Sorry, not to Tom Scott out, but I do think it's really funny that if we were to release, or not us, because we don't take any money for it.

But a hypothetical creator were to release their reviews in a movie theater, they would not need to disclose anything. It would just be like in the credits at the end. I don't even think they would need to do it. I'm pretty sure in Tom Scott's video is like, it's after all of the people who worked on the movie, there's like a couple paragraphs of like some of the, like, Pepsi sponsors or whatever. Yeah, yeah.

Wow. Yeah. Can I just throw in Markiplier's response to why he said sponsored? Yeah, he did a live stream. Yeah, he did a live stream last night. So this kind of feels like thinking too hard about it may have. I don't even want to say bit him in the ass because I don't think there's a ton of controversy around this. It was just like all a bunch of weird happenings in like 48 hours.

48 hours. And I don't think any of his audience is really being like, you scammed us at all. Also, in his defense, if he really didn't know anything and this happened, like, if we're taking him for his word, this sucks. It does. If I was him, I'd be like, damn. He accidentally played the lottery and accidentally won. So his reason for saying sponsored and not invested was to show, this is his words, show some way of showing that there is potential financial gain out of this video. But in this world where so many different creators are hyping up different cryptos and investment advice kind of things,

that he was worried if he said he was investing in GoPro that his audience would then think, I also want to invest in GoPro. And he's like, I don't want my audience investing in the thing that's been down 95% over the last five years because it's probably not a very good investment. And to kind of his point though,

when it got announced he came out, it shot up before any of the other stuff. So it happened. What he didn't want to happen happened. Yeah. That's a valid take. It's a valid. thought. It didn't work as well, but...

Yeah, hindsight is definitely 2020 on a lot of this. Probably next time just say that. I'm invested in this company. This is not financial advice. I do not think you should invest in. The companies that are trying to pump the like crypto coins and stuff and say I'm invested in this, they're not actually invested. They're invested because the company gave them a bunch of free investment to promote it, which is different.

And I think that we should just, everyone should just be more honest and clear. The problem is is with his honesty doesn't mean the people in the crypto one. ones are going to be honest because they are saying I invested. I'm just saying like, no, you're right. In a perfect world, those crypto people would also say, these people paid me money to say this. But they're lying. But I'm not personally invested in it.

They just gave me money. Yeah. So now he's in this weird spot where it's like, it merged with this company that might be making like flock cameras, but he doesn't want to sell everything because then it looks like a pump and dump. But he also doesn't, he's hoping that this new camera is good and GoPro focuses on. He sounds pretty skeptical about it. Yeah, I will end with his, I will end with like the cautious optimism that like, okay, he is a

believer in the product and the tool and wants to enable in some way future creators having this awesome tool, having access to it. How the investment helps that or not, I don't really know, but just to give the benefit of the doubt, GoPro is going to still be around. We don't know exactly what's going to happen with their cameras in the future. They could keep making cameras. We hope they keep making cameras, but there is some doubt around that and we'll have to just see what happens. Yeah.

I think that we talked about DJI before and Insta 360, and not all these companies are necessarily going to be able to sell their cameras forever here in the U.S. There's lots of weird legislation around that with this administration, so we don't know. So there's a potential of GoPro continuing to make cameras that are amazing and game-breaking. And to be fair, I have an ILS. I haven't tested it yet. Wait, what? We got it? Yeah, I know, Ellis wants it.

We have it. I'm going to check it out. A lot of other people have said very positive things about it. I'm going to bring you a bunch of vintage glass because that, that's the really cool thing is you can adapt all this crazy vintage glass to it. To kind of go full circle in this whole conversation back to the fact that GoPro's only ever made Hero 1,3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 400. And it is tanking their stock price because they're a marketing company up until now of like, they're a, hey, you do cool things by this camera. and then you ski down a ski slope and watch the footage and you're like, I'm going one mile an hour

in this ultra-wide view. Like, this is not funny unless you do a backflip. You know what GoPro should have done? They should have made an energy drink. Because Red Bull... They're about the same. Because Red Bull's the same company as GoPro, but they sell an energy drink.

Yeah. That's the only difference between these companies. So the mission ILS, we're excited about it because it's this very accessible thing that seems like it's in good quality and it's kind of breaking the mold of what they're making and seems really interesting. And then they're like, cool, we're also going to make flock cameras.

And it's like, oh, God. Hear me out. Hear me out. Cinema flock cameras. So when the techno-fascist state sees you doing something or whatever, and you could haul the court and they pull that footage up, you could be like, damn, those lens flares. It's video, man.

Sick. I also want to note that Starman Optical, which was the company that, the holding company that merged with GoPro yesterday, was incorporated in Delaware the day before yesterday. No way. Great. What? And that holding company.

It's held by Starman New Photonics, which is part of Starman Holdings. This is a bunch of shell companies. Wait, so who owns GoPro? Well, Starman Holdings now. Markiplier. Technically owns 8.5% of GoPro, which is owned by Starman Holdings. Starman Holdings owns Starman New Photonics, and Starman Optical is a subsidiary. Starman New Photics.

Starvin Optical was founded the day. day before yesterday. It sounds like a bunch of shell companies. The reason it's probably a bunch of shell companies is because they want to do weapons manufacturing and they don't want the public to know who they are. What if it's, what if they were actually caught in like a crazy 4D chess game and Philip DeFranco owns,

own Starvin Holdings? We are not saying this is true. No. I just, I think it's like, it would be funny though. Even more here to the fact that he probably didn't know about this because yeah.

If you knew about this. This is the last thing a creator wants to be a part of right now. Like a way to tank your reputation is to be like, I just put a bunch of money in government, like robotics, weapons and flock and like government surveillance. As one of the biggest investors, he should shoot an email to that founder. Yeah. He wrote in there like, if I get to vote, I'm going to vote no, but it's probably going to do nothing. I mean, that's the whole company. He did say if they start doing flock type cameras, he will be out of it.

Yeah. Interesting. Fingers crossed for the good cameras of the future. Yeah. Yeah. So we don't want to like, we're not trying to start a bunch of drama. We're just saying this is like a crazy situation. It's a wild situation.

Yeah, situation is crazy. That's what this episode's going to be named. Wait, we do have the ILS though. We do have the ILS. I do have the ILS. I do have the ILS. I think of the space station. I also do.

I. I'm Amazon. I'm ordering a micro four thirds to see mount adapter. I'm bringing in some lens flare glass. Let's go. It's going to be amazing. Yeah. We'll mess with it.

That'll be exciting. So, speaking of tracking, tracking? Oh, yeah, tracking. Yeah, tracking. That's good. Because Gopros will probably be tracking you on the street in the future. Google is letting you track stuff that you don't have trackers on, which is cool. I saw this get added in a pixel feature drop, and I thought, Android feature drop.

Android feature drop. And I thought, oh, God. Nobody thought of that before. I know. This was a basic thing ever. Awesome. Yeah. So obviously in the Find My apps, you've been able to have like an Android phone, Android devices, internet connected devices, and you can find them at any point. Obviously with Apple stuff. Find Hub is Android's. Obviously with FindMai with Apple and with air tags and all these chips now, you can add these things. But also, if you just want to remember where you put something that doesn't have a tag in it, like say your passport, this is the example from the video. You can just tell Gemini, I'm putting my passport in the safe in the basement. It will then. remember that location and put it in the find hub so that when you ask Gemini again or check your find hub like where did I put my passport it will just remember that that's where you put your

passport that's so specific Marquez is that where you put your passport in the safe in the basement passport come get that is where I come up you know safe in the basement come get me docks your passport but yeah that is an example of something I don't want to put an air tag on my passport but I do kind of want to remember because I don't use my passport all the time and I just want remember where I put it so that when I do have my next international trip, I can be like, hey, Jimmon, I, where's my passport? Bam. You know, it's funny, I have a tracker card in my passport, but I forgot that my passport wallet is RFID blocking. So it just doesn't work. Oh, my God. I know. It's like all these wallets for the longest time because people were skimming credit cards

became RFID blocking wallets. And now there's all these tracker cards that just don't work in RFID blocking wallets. Yeah. So that's a... You can find... That's a funny thing. At least the last place you put it. But it's so funny because, I mean, this is one of This is one of those super over-engineered things for something you could just write down. But it's going to be in the like find hub, which is a place where you want to find stuff. Yeah. It's like it's a smart. And it's all on your phone.

It's like you could do it from your laptop. You could do it from your phone. Like I think this is a very simple solution to have a problem that nobody really thought about before. And I think that's cool. This is the equivalent of being like, Claire, I'm putting this in the basement right here. Remember that. It's just like I can just say it to my phone. And then we actually will remember instead of both of us forgetting.

What I always do is whenever I need to remember where something is, I put it in a very specific place because, oh, I'm like, oh, yeah, if I put it in this very unique place, I'll definitely remember. Yep, absolutely. Never. As the worst possible thing to do. Yeah. This is great.

Or for, I part level two section A, like at the airport or something like that. That's good. I always, I just take a picture of the car with the nearest sign somewhere in the frame. That's like my habit. Every time I park at the airport, I go, okay, where's a sign? Let me get the car and the sign in the frame, and that's the picture. Do you do this with your hotel number two? Sometimes.

I, for some reason, don't have a problem remembering my room number, but I often come back to the studio still with the room key, and I try to swipe the hotel room. And then I always have to switch back. I always take a photo of right outside my door, which is smart. That's a good idea, because last time when we traveled, I got to the floor. I knew I was supposed to be on, but I just kind of stood there for a day. I don't, wait, what room was it? I'll put my room number in my find hub, so.

Boom, tell Gemini about it. There were a couple other really fun features as part of this Android feature drop though that I wanted to talk about really quickly. A few years ago, Apple released this new feature on the iPhone that allows you to basically use your phone while you're in a car because it has these bubbles that will appear on the screen

that sort of move with the gyroscope while the car is moving. And it's supposed to be, I don't know, the biology of this. I do. Okay, tell me about the biology. When you get nauseous in a car. Because you actually get car.

I do get a car sick. I don't. I've paid a lot of it. This is why I've looked it up. Yeah. Is it's because, when you're on your phone, you're looking down on your phone. Inner ear thing. You're, well, essentially, there's a difference in perceived motion between your eyes and your inner ear.

Your inner ear can feel that you're accelerating forward, but your eyes only see your lap and your phone, which is not accelerating forward. And when your inner ear feels a difference from what your eyes see, that can cause you to feel nauseous. The same way, if you're in a VR game and you move forward in the game with the controller, but your, but your inner ear is, inner ear doesn't feel you moving forward. Your stomach trying to drop. Yeah, it makes you, that difference is what makes you feel nauseous. Yeah. So what it does is it puts dots on the screen, where as the car accelerates and turns, it gives you that same exact feeling of motion. You turn right and the dots also turn right. So it feels like to oversimplify, like the road is underneath your phone, and you can see the

movement of the road with dots. Right. So it's trying to give you something to look at that matches your inner ears feeling of the way you're accelerating. Yeah. And that's now coming to Android. That's cool. Yeah. And I heard this works. A lot of people said that IOS

swore by it. I think Rich uses it. Yeah. The previous way of doing this was they had essentially, do you know, like, when you could have those silly straws that came up and went around your eyes. So when you drink something, the liquid goes through it. Yeah. A closed version of that with liquid in it.

So in your peripherals, the liquid is, it's like half fold and it's sloshing with the car. So something in your peripherals is moving the same as the car giving you. giving you the sense of movement when you're reading. They look so silly. They have to look so ridiculous. But this is a way better version of that. I didn't even know they made this. Oh my God.

They look so ridiculous. My suggestion, so this is what I've always found because I've gotten car stick in the back of car so many times, especially, actually, there's a couple things that make it really bad. One is if it's one of those like throttle stabbers in an EV where there's like, there's like region. Yeah, they like accelerate slowdown. Accelerate slowdown.

That sucks no matter what. Yeah. But also if I'm in the back. seat and they have one of those huge seats with a headrest in front of me that's like blocking my view of the road. Oh, yeah. For some reason, that sometimes is enough for me to like, I have to basically, I just stare out the window. I just go, I just look directly out the window as long as I can and that's the best thing that's helped with feeling cars sick. Is that why people get sick in the back seat and on the front seat because they don't have such an immediate view of the road?

Yes. Oh, is it? For me anyway, yes. That makes sense. Yeah. That's really interesting. Well, two other features in this Android drop that I thought were interesting. You can now change the background images for your Google Messages chats,

which is definitely a swipe at IMessage, which did this a couple of years ago, which did this because of WhatsApp a couple of years before. Yeah. I am assuming these companies are realizing that the personalization thing is actually important to people. It keeps them on the platform. My group chat for my photography group is just like a picture of my dad's face.

As the background. As the background. I'm not sure why we did that, but that's what it is. I'm only thinking of this now, which might be stupid, but I've always thought changing the background of chats was stupid, but now I'm realizing. It's silly.

It's harmless, but how often do you guys get a text, it pops up on the notification thing, you read it, but instead of clicking on it to reply, you hit the text button, the messages button? No, not reply, the messages button on the bottom of like your doc. And then I reply,

and then I realize I sent it to the wrong person because it's actually the last thing that came up. Every time. Never. So with background chats different, I'd be much more aware of like, oh, that's not Claire. Oh, that's not Ellis, I'm responding to. That's not clear if it's a picture of David's dad's face.

Yeah, like, if David texts me up top and is like, yo, what are we talking about in the pod today? And I open it up and it's Claire and I don't see David's dad's face. Then I don't text Claire the Markiplier-Gopla situation. And she's like, what are you talking about? Like, I feel like that would actually save me much. I think I'm going to change all of my chat backgrounds.

Yeah, okay. I like that. Okay. You should just change one or two important ones. Because if they're all just random colors, you're not going to know when you open it up. Real quick. Just speaking of Google messages. The way they do pinned chats is terrible.

They just list them. Yeah, it's not really. They're just pinned to the top. So when you, like, the way the I mess, the Apple messages does it. It's just like huge bubbles. Huge bubbles. And they stack. But the way that.

that it happens in Google Messages, it's just it's the same just text chat indicator, but they just happen to always be at the top. So it's like a forum. Yeah, and the problem is when I reviewed the Pixel 11 Pro,

I did the transfer thing from my iPhone to the Pixel, and one of their big updates was, oh, now all of your pinned chats also transfer. But I have eight pin chats on my iPhone, so it took up the entire screen. So when I would get a new text, I wouldn't even see it when I open the app

because it would be below all of my pin chats. That is funny. Yeah. Time to unpin somebody. I think Google needs to either just copy Apple directly or do something else because like, yeah, pinning in that way is not. You got to have like 10 pins though, don't you? I have eight.

Oh, wow. I'm going to bet. Are they all that important? I talk to all these groups every day. I'm going to bet that they copy the big bubble at the top for pins feature. Yeah. Within. within a year and a half.

Year and a half. I need to give it till summer of next year. Summer of 27. I don't know. That seems too soon to me. I think it's going to be sooner. I think someone I Google just heard this and started writing it down at.

Right under his note of screwing with Andrew's YouTube, you will then work on. Why we're yelling about Google messages. I haven't did they even test this mid-episode. I mean, mine was kind of a day. Yeah. There's a feature. Auto-delete OTP one-time password messages after 24 hours.

Yeah. That shit does not work. Wait, really? It doesn't? I never turn it on. I turn it on. I currently have nothing but OTP messages. At the top.

Constantly. There's so many of these. But is it within 24 hours? It's like from days ago at this point. Wait, mine works perfect. I don't see a single. Mine used to work and then it stopped working. And like, as the last like six months, it stopped working.

Are you sure it's on? I just went to settings to double check and I do this like at least twice a week because I'm like, why are you not deleting? And it still keeps messaging me. And that fog color is so good every time I see it. It's like better in real life. I like how your newer pixel doesn't work and my older pixel works. I'm telling you, Marcus, I'm going to bury you with that phone.

I'm just telling you. Okay. There is one more Google Messages feature in this internet update that I'm excited about. Oh my God. They remembered again that Google Keep exists. And maybe so every two years. We're usually scared about this, right? Yeah, it's a little bit, it's a bit concerning when they ever have a Keep update because it might mean they get rid of it.

but they are now basically allowing you to have shared lists through Google Keep inside of Google messages. So if you are texting with somebody, and I'm assuming this has to be an RCS chat because it uses, you know, internet stuff, you can now have this little embedded Google Keep list that is shared and you can, whoever is in the chat can add to the list. So this is obviously kind of targeted at like grocery shopping, grocery lists, which maybe will make this proactive assistance thing a little bit better where you have specifically your grocery list in Google Keep and now you're using it in Google Messages. Maybe they're just kind of trying to incentivize people to use this feature. Has this come out yet?

Because I just tried to test this by messaging you to like attach a Google Keep and I do not see any features or options for this. Are you rolling out? Yeah. It might depend on your phone. Yeah. Even though you have a pixel 11. The newest pixel.

I'm probably not getting it for a while. Yeah, yeah. I think you'll get it before me. I don't know. Sometimes One Plus gets stuff before Google does. It's true. This is a Samsung I would have had it already. That's true.

That's true, because that's really the Google phone. Anyway, you know what's crazy? What? This is our first ad break. That is crazy. We started about an hour ago. That's crazy. You know, sometimes you've got to pop off.

All right. Well, then that sounds like it's trivia time. Mm. I am begging you. I need a point. I need something that I'm going to get. It will not be getting one. I'm begging you.

Mark has, I wrote this question thinking of you because this is a binary answer, okay? It's either one. I got coin flip, I get a point here. You get a 50% chance. Okay. Because after the break, we're going to talk a little bit about Sonos. And when I think about Sonos, I think of a product category. I'm not that fond of sound bars.

I'm not either. I'm not going to hate on anyone who has a sound bar. I get it. They're efficient. They take up very little space. Spacially efficient. You know, that's great. Not for me.

Yeah. That's fine. but I was doing some research into the history of soundbars, which is some interesting stuff there. And so today's question is, what came first? The initial first experimental soundbar, which is a soundbar. I think if you saw it, you'd be like, that's a weird looking sound bar, but it, to me, meets all the qualifications one needs to be to be a sound bar. Or is it a hot dog? Hot dog.

Go ahead. or TV broadcasts in stereo. Hmm. Yeah, this is a coin flip for sure. What came first? NTS or pal? All right. All right.

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We're going to talk a little bit about Sonos. If you didn't so know, a couple of years ago. A couple of years ago. Audio listeners, that was Adam. I did not make that noise. A couple of years ago. this company really destroyed their app. Everyone got real mad, real, real mad, so mad.

It's been a saga. They got a new CEO. And then they decided they needed to completely refix the app and everything like that. In the process of all this, they announced and released the Sonos Ace headphones, which Marquez did a review of last year. They're sort of their competitor to anyone's flagship over-year headphones, I would suppose. Yeah, flagship ANC, $400. dollar

I think they were over there They're 450 Yeah they're expensive They're expensive They're really I mean they're great headphones in general But they're really

only big feature was that you could dynamically switch between your Sonos soundbar or audio system and the headphones when you were watching TV that was like the selling point

it was like oh if your wife falls asleep next to you and you want to turn off the audio ambiently but listen on your headphones then you can do that and it's a very it's so millionaire

and I have one one little use case kind of situation. Anyway. Well, funny thing real quick about the Marquez's review last year is he called it, you had one job and Sonos's invitation this year says we had one job. My question is, was that the invitation to everyone or just to you?

I think that was to everyone. That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Well, at this big event, they released two new, well, three new things kind of. They released a new version. of the Sonos A is called the Sonos 8's Ultra because everything is Ultra in

2026 apparently. We'll see if the iPhone is Ultra or Duo or Fold or whatever they call it. They released a soundbar Ultra. Nice. And they released a new OS that is going to span all of their products which they're calling Sonos

27, which I'm not... They didn't call it Sonos? It's right there. Yeah. Are you serious? Yeah. You had one job. You had one job. It's, you know, last year you had one job, this year it had a different job, and you messed both them up. So, it's headphones, not super different. They say they have better A&C in two specific category ranges from it's in the HVAC frequency range.

That's a good one. And also in the airplane drone frequency range. That's the other good one. Bailed it. There's the two good ones. Combine them and it's sitting in an airplane with the HVAC on. They need to add one more. server room wine

because we have that stupid server next to our office now driving me insane and I have a feeling we're all going to hear a lot more servers whining in the next 10 years. Yeah, the servers, yeah, they just want more food, they want more power. Andrew, give me more power.

They're whining. Okay, so they also have new adaptive EQ that adjust due to your fit so if you have glasses on and it's kind of like poofing out the headphones a little bit or if you have hair, crazy concept.

And it doesn't have like a firm seal on your head. The EQ will adapt a little bit to make up for those gaps. They have five hours of more rated battery life, up to 35 hours with the ANC on, which actually seems quite good. Yep. Three hours of fast charging gets you three hours of listening. There are two new colors, blue agave. Three hours of fast charging gives you three hours of...

Three minutes, sorry. Three minutes of fast charging. Sorry. Three hours of fast charging. Yeah. Is you that real time? real time. No one commented.

I was like, wait, that can't... You want to listen to a four minute song? You got to charge for four minutes. Yeah. That would be crazy. Well, there's a new... There's tune of colors, blue agave and beige sand. Yeah, that's kind of it for those...

The blue look nice. The blue look does look very nice. Still $450. Still $450. There is no limit to how much they can charge for headphones. Not when you're a company that sells really, really expensive speakers to people who own houses. Yeah, yeah. I'll try to check these out.

I don't want to get my hands on them. As far on the power rankings of like things that matter to me in A&C headphones, sound quality in A&C is at the top. Battery life is right below that. And then all the other features of like multipoint or like comparing with the Sonos system or all these other stuff, it's for me personally. Yeah, not super interested. Are you a Sonos connected?

Do you have Sonos at your house? I have one Sonos sound system, yeah. But I never personally. go from listening to it on speakers to listening to it on headphones. A big thing with Sonos speakers too is that many of them you can hardwire into your house so that they don't have to be just like

yeah. Jesus. So you can like put it in the corner of your home and that's a nice little billionaire penthouse. Yeah. I get it. I get it. 100%. But the big news here is the Sonos 27 OS which is very chockful of AI integration which I'm not

totally sure if you're trying to like rebuild trust with your customers over your botched software release. This guy has a hard job. They're trying to rebuild trust with their investors. Right, right, right. That's honestly, yeah, probably true. So they're releasing a new Sonos 27 voice assistant for the system, which sure, I suppose. It gives you access to like system control and music control.

There's a Sonos 27 MCP or Model Contacts protocol so you can tell Claude to play something for some reason. I really don't know what you would do that. But you can also have up to 10 Sonos agents which can do different things like when you wake up they will tell you the weather or give you a motivational speech.

We really don't know what to do with AI yet. It seems. I don't know man. A motivational speech as soon as I wake up sounds like it would slap. Speech is crazy. Speech? Yeah, I need like the, what's a good like sports speech? Like give me a head lasso like pick me up.

No, or that girl who just learned how to ride her bike. Do you remember that YouTube video? And she gives the speech like, you can do it too. Yeah, it was great. Yeah, so it is, like, you can have 10 different little agents with different voices, which is wild. And they just do different things. Why do you need 10 more?

Why do we need AI is in everything and a speaker might be the dumbest product I've ever seen AI in? This is why a ram cost. So have you seen the Dyson toothbrush? Bro. Yeah, yeah. Also AI power. Real quick. I think if, if it works.

This is the one putting an AI in a thing that I might be okay with. Because being able to be able. You're talking about the toothbrush or you're talking about the son? I was trying to make a really bad segue. I'll get to the toothbrush. I just think there's so much music out there. We have access to, in theory, all of it. And as far as I'm aware, there is not a good natural language, like music search platform.

So the idea being able to be like, like the example that they did in the event of like play the, I forget it was like play the acoustic version of this one song. And it knew like instantly to look for an MTV live album because that's the acoustic. Like I think that's pretty cool. Or to be like, are there any instrumental covers of this song? And it in theory being able to be like actually, yeah, bro. Again, I'm hesitant. I'm hesitant to this work. I just think as someone who really likes music and has thought a lot about music databases

and music metadata for quite some time, I know I've talked about this before, but what I was trying to go to college and I thought I wanted to go to business school instead of music school. I pitched this business idea because a lot of these schools asked for a business pitch and it was like the largest music metadata database ever, specifically for things like this. And resoundingly, everyone was like, that's dumb. And look where we are now. So agents crawling around. I feel that Spotify would have done this already.

In the event they said it can do this? This was using a in, I didn't watch the event. I only read recaps over. Okay. I believe in the event they were using Alexa Plus to do this. So that means they would be streaming on Amazon music. Yeah. So maybe I guess it is the streaming service and not the Sonos Sayah.

Yeah, I don't know. My biggest question on that is, is it like, universal in different streaming services or there's so many companies that are like, we can do this thing in Amazon music. And you're like, well, I don't use Amazon music. And that's the stuff. Now I just have some weird agent telling me the weather and pumping me up in the morning. Anyway, I'm excited about the idea of finally being able to search for music in the same way you talk to like the weird guy works in your local record store. Do you have sona speakers? No. No. And I won't. Yeah, same. Yeah, one day I almost splurged on one

And then I was like, what am I doing? This is my midlife crisis. There's, oh, this is so off topic, but it is about Sonos. Okay. I'll go really fast. In that podcast I was listening to, the Dead Eyes one, yeah. He's an actor. He talked about this one really weird job he took one time where for 500 bucks, him and this other actress for a full day

Had to be the actors in a so-nose quote press briefing where them, a fake child were in a a apartment with their sonos setup and every 30 minutes a journalist would come in and they would explain to them how they use their sonos speakers in their everyday life. So there was like a fake child sleeping in one of the rooms and they had to pretend to be husband and wife to talk to these journalists about their like... You say fake child, do you mean a real child actor or like a doll? I think there was one room with a crib that was sleeping the whole time so there's no child in it but and I think there may have been a child actor or something like that. Very strange, but they, and I'm just imagining us as the people who cover stuff like that

going into that and being like, this is the most like tech PR advertising thing I can ever think of. I don't know, man. Imagine going to a Google event and having someone running on a treadmill every time you walk in. Imagine someone doing burpees and constantly doing them. Huge. Props to that guy. You can stop. Please stop.

Nah, he's got abs of steel. Well, speaking of toothbrushes, have you ever purchased a toothbrush for $499? Here's a fun fact about me. That seems to surprise a lot of people. I've never bought an electronic toothbrush. What? What? Do you use one?

No. You're like the tech guy. I just use a right. Universally people have agreed that vibrating toothbrushes are more effective. Hey, Marquez is like the Michelin star chef who like, enjoy some Taco Bell every once in a while. Is that the equivalent? I have no idea. I don't know if you have a little bit.

His phone's got too much AI. I got a lot of tech in my life. I've never even used an electronic toothache. Is this going to be a hill you're going to die on now? No, no. I have nothing against them, and I may be willing to adopt it. It won't be this one. Why?

Because it's $500 and it's got AI and I don't think. It's also a water pick and there's just a little too much going on there. There's a lot too much. Let's explain what's going. Yeah, what is the Dyson toothbrush. You tell me. Okay, so it's called the Dyson Camera Jet. And it's called that because that's exactly what it does.

it uses a camera which looks in between your teeth and when it notices gaps in your teeth where it thinks that plaque and food might get stuck it then uses a camera which they described the camera's resolution in pixels to make it sound like a lot of resolution

it's 0.1 megapixels it's 100,000 pixels it's so many pixels it's 100,000 pixels is the way they market it which is 0.1 megapixels So they have a 0.1 megapixel camera. Put that on a billboard.

Yeah, 100,000 pixels. That monitors the inside of your mouth when it sees a gap. It then squirts, sprays, hoses. Jets. Jets. Jets is probably the correct term. Yeah. What is it? Mouthwash.

Blasts. Anyway, I just started blasting. So it's blasted mouthwash in between your teeth. Sure does. And Dyson says it's the same as flossing. So you got to fill this thing. You got to fill it up. It fills itself up because it has a stand that you charge it on, but it has a air bladder inside of the toothbrush that uses like suction to fill its reservoir within three seconds.

It will refill the reservoir. And it's really over and engineered. They say it has AI. All right. All right. That's 10 agents for motivational speeches. Hear me out. Every time Dyson releases something, I'm like, why?

That's like a $1,000 vacuum cleaner. Are you kidding me? And then we use it. And it's the greatest that you've ever used. No, no, that's a fallacy. I'd like to address this fallacy. They cooked on the vacuums. They absolutely.

Yeah, they did. But just because they cooked on the vacuums, doesn't mean we have to say they cooked on everything else. Do you remember the headphones? They did not cook on the headphones. The headphones, they didn't. I don't know if they worked. They were the dumbest thing I've ever viewed.

They arguably spread more disease than. Yeah, they did not cook on the headphones. It's kind of like whenever people, I always get annoyed by this. Maybe this is overreacting, but people would be like, they'd just react to any new Apple product and be like, eh, I would say something like, I don't see who this is for or the market is too small. And then they go, well, that's what they said about the first iPhone. And I'm like, just because they cooked on one thing does not mean everything else is cooking.

So I would say that like, let's let people, let's let the toothbrush reviewers get their hands on this thing. You know, let's see if it's actually good. The tooth fluencers. I can't believe I'm like the Ellis Defends AI episode. You're not defending AI. You know how some people have like a really complex like skin care routine at the end of the day? That's how I am with my teeth because I was just like cursed with the least whatever like bacteria combination I have going on here is just just the worst.

So the so you're in the target demographic. If I could if I could like justify. If I could sonic care and water pick in one session. I don't hate that idea. Is it worth $500? Maybe. Maybe. If it lasts multiple years, which it probably won't.

It might. You know how many toothbrushes like you get for $500? Yeah. Dude, but it's like. And floss. Analog toothbrushes? Yeah, because that's acoustic. Bro, I have to use two different kinds of floss, bro.

I use regular floss and then I use this stuff called super floss. But you'll still have to use floss because I think most people consider a water pick not as good as. No, but they say it effectively. It's a 33% reduction in activities. You know what I mean? Because I could go, I could go toothbrush. What's your time worth, Ellis? Is there worth $500 over the course of three years?

I don't know if I've brought this up before, but remember there was this super old article that was like, one guy went to a hundred different dentists and got like a hundred vastly different opinions on the job. And his conclusion was like, it's a wire article, I remember this. Yeah, honestly, anyone could say anything and I just kind of have to go with it because I don't know anything about like dentistry. I was like, dentists might kind of just be scamming me. And then a couple years ago, I went to my dentist and they did the thing where they're like, Like, you've been flossing?

And I was like, yeah. I wasn't. I floss every day. Honestly, like your gums would be, all these things would be better if you were flossing. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to do it. And for the entire next year,

I flossed every single night. A year? An entire year. I brushed twice a day and flossed every single night, right? I get back to the one year later appointment. I go and I sit down and I look him through. And before I say anything, they go, wow, you've really been flossing.

I can tell. And I was like, oh, shit. They can tell. Yeah, they definitely can. Now I keep it up. I got to say the dentist always gasped me up and I don't do a good job. But I manually, no electric people. You know what I mean?

Some people just have the right combination. My microbiome and my mouth is incredible. Nothing was good in here, you know. Despite all the beautiful things that come out of my mouth, existence of the things inside of bath are no good. It's a ying yang, man. You can't have both lists. You can't be winning that hard.

All this is to say, I don't think a $500 dice and toothbrush slash water prick is necessary for my routine. It's not necessarily for anybody, but it's great. I think it might be worth it. I mean, I think flossing is going to wait for the reviews. Flossing is better than waterpicking and way cheaper. And so my biggest thing here is everyone else. uses an electric toothbrush, right? Everybody?

No. No? You use an acoustic one? I have used electric toothbrushes and I love them. I just never replaced it when it died, so I'm in my acoustic phase. But I'll go back to an electric one. You're doing your solo album right now? No, I got a regular toothbrush.

Oh, I got it. Well, so when you guys brush, the way you're supposed to use an electric toothbrush is basically let it do its whole, all the work, right? And just go across your teeth. Then I could see it, no scoping, all the gats. in that. But do any of you do it like that or do you brush it like a regular toothbrush, even though it's an electric toothbrush? I think most people probably brush it right. I think most people still there until you told me this. And there's zero chance it's hitting

those gaps in that situation. My Philip Sonic hair has feedback that lets me know when I'm not brushing mine does too. It gives me a little frowny face and I go, I don't care. Yeah. When you, when you use it incorrectly, the motor kicks on a little extra and goes, like while it's vibrating. Mine glows red on the bottom. What I'm learning. Not to keep my Philipsonicare also, when I need to move on to a new part of my mouth, it goes, eh. Like there's tons of feedback. Holy smokes.

It's like every 30 seconds, it does something different to be like, oh, you're getting closer. How much did Philip Sonic Care pay you at least? Mine's oral be. I'm just, I'm a believer, man. I'll say, though, in the dentist thing, they do know because mine went using an electric toothbrush, right? I was like, yeah. He's like, you've got to be calmer with it because it's going to. was like, your gums are starting to get affected.

Could they tell that once they started cleaning your teeth or before? When they, I mean, they were in my mouth. Yeah. Like looking at it. He was like using an electric toothbrush, right? And I was like, yeah. And he's like, yeah, if you're just going too hard, your gums are getting hit too much with like too much power and it's going to start receding.

Do you guys remember tooth tunes? Yes. Where you have like a, what is it, a 60 second song? Didn't they catch on fire? Probably. They were for kids. That's a bad combination. Yeah.

What? I'd argue that a fire in my mouth is equally bad as a fire in a kid's mouth. Yeah. I was wrong. I swear there's something about it. That sounds familiar though. Yeah. Is toothbrush catching on fire?

I feel like that was a thing. Maybe. Well, anyway. Yeah. These two tunes, they would play songs and they used bone conduction. Right. Because they would vibrate on your teeth and you could only hear it. So it incentivized the kid to actually keep it on their teeth because it used the bone

conduction so they could hear the song. They had like Hannah Montana, stuff like that. You put the right AI agents in this Dyson and you've got tooth tunes. All you need is a Hannah Montana cartridge. Or like a 60-second motivational speech. Oh, my God. That's what the AI could do. Yeah.

Okay. Well, I would like a review unit. Are you going to send it back? What does that work? They can't repurpose that. If they want my mouth by them, go for it. Do you really want to talk about this, Andrew? I want to go so fast because I think it's funny.

Okay. We're potentially getting new Twitter because of a company called Operation Bluebird in Virginia is launching their new social media website, Twitter. Now. They've been, I guess, working on a little while. Yeah, I remember when they announced this while. They announced it because in April, they brought it to U.S. District Court where the judge gave a, I guess not a ruling, but said he thinks X seems to have given up

the word tweet, the Twitterbird logo, and possibly the, the word Twitter, although this is not a written order yet. So this Operation Bluebird wants to now take the name Twitter. What's funny is the two founders. One is a former trademark lawyer from Twitter, and the other is a trademark attorney, which feels kind of weird that two trademark attorneys want to start a new social media website when it really just sounds like they really want the word Twitter and the Bluebird. I mean, everyone kind of does. Everyone does. It seems more like a let's get the old popular name and figure it out after that. Anyways, it's going to be a $20 social media platform that uses trust scores versus an algorithm

and uses an AI called Vera to provide context and sources on things. It all sounds great, but obviously X is not going to be happy about this and this is probably just going to be a giant legal battle. It's going to be a legal battle. I don't think it, I think it's, you can pay $20 to secure your handle right now. It's not like you're going to have to pay $20 to use a platform. You can pay $20 to have a handle for giant legal fees that you'll probably never get to use your handle. Yeah.

And I just like, I want to say this is this, this, blue sky had this chance. Like blue sky is close enough to Twitter. It's, it looked exactly. It looks exactly the same. It's better. It's part of the Fediverse. It's, you know, it had all these things going for it and it still didn't really or hasn't yet. Overtaken X, taken off, Twitter.

I just don't think just because they have the name. Twitter. I just think we're past it. I think if this had launched like immediately after Twitter changed to X, there could have been a mass migration and it could have been cool. Migration like a migration. I mean, it's already if you go to Twitter. Now with 404 and saying we're down. This was harder than we thought. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I just, I miss Twitter. None of them are going to work because the base of Twitter is on X now and mostly just fragmented away from it. I also think that this, yeah, I think people yearn for it. the days of social media before algorithmic feeds, but the problem is people's dopamine receptors

are just too attuned to algorithmic feeds now. And even if there was a platform that came out that was like, we are healthier, people don't go for the healthy stuff. They eat the candy. They don't eat the vegetables. Yeah, and your dentist goes, I could tell. I could tell. You need to buy the Dyson toothbrush. Have you been on Twitter? Yeah. All right, we need to do another trivia question and then the ad break. And then we're going to do a little show and test. because Adam wanted to do show and tell. And I forgot my product, but I'm going to... You have 30 seconds to think about it.

You can just tell. I can just tell you about it. That's true. You don't need to show. Yeah. It is show and tell. Okay, anyway, Google Find Hub was first announced August of 2013. But it had a different name when it was first announced. What was that name? August of 2013.

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Why not? We've got a couple things brought into the studio or that we're going to tell each other about that maybe we haven't heard of. Who wants to go first? I could go first. I'll allow it. Let's go first for fun.

Free break, you didn't even have anything. And now you're going first. So let's do it. I was reminded that I do have something new. You might have not heard of it. It's called the iPhone Fold. That's kidding. We lied before.

Kidding. So sometimes the audience likes to care about our watches, which is kind of fun. They do be doing that. We have a lot of watch fanatics on this team. I recently switched over from my very basic Cassio over to a citizen Anna Digi temp. What time is it?

It is 1238 and 52 seconds. Wow. Yeah, it actually is, it doesn't really drift, which is cool. The story of this watch, I believe it was Japan only, which is kind of crazy. But it can tell the temperature, which is kind of cool for an analog watch. It's like your temperature? You know, it's all. It's always pretty off, so I couldn't really tell you.

Did you read the manual? I did. Okay, because I also, I own a Casio Pro Trek that has a temperature, but in the manual, they're very clear. They're like, in order to get a temperature reading, you need to leave it in the shade for half an hour. Yeah, that sounds like it's probably correct also on the citizen and a digit temp. So the story of this watch is, for people that don't know, I have many baristas, okay? and one of my baristas, Mateo, gave me this watch because he found three of them

in a box outside of a design agency that said free. Nice. My guess is that the design agency buys a lot of stuff that's very aesthetic, much like we do, just to kind of like get inspo, and then they eventually just threw them away.

And yeah, I think it's really nice. It's very cool looking. And it can allegedly tell the temperature, but only in Celsius, because they only risk it in Japan. It says 1240 on that. It says 1240. When I was looking at my computer, it said 1239.

One of them is a lot. Yeah. It's funny, you say people ask about our watches all the time. Marcus has not been wearing a watch because he's wearing his whoop band. On the left hand. And so I was like, oh, what's a cool watch Marcus could get? And I, on a subreddit I saw this like Casio Cosmo phase. And I was like, Marquez might like that because it has like this cool grass.

on the top that shows like the planets. It's from 1980 and the cheapest thing I can find is $2,000 and it is beat to hell. So I was like, okay, maybe not. Maybe we won't convince Mark has to work. You could buy four dice and tooth brushes for that. I have not seen a lot of analog watches that. This is digital. I mean, this is digital.

I've not seen a lot of any watches that are of the aesthetic that would make me decide to get a watch. Yeah. Maybe you should get a watch. Well, we have to find one that I like. Remember when Kevin O'Leary tried to get me to get a watch? And I was like, I like this Apple Watch. And he was like, how dare you? He hated that. Yeah, well, Kevin, it's the most sold watch of all time. So, turns out. Yeah, so anyway, it's not as fun. And maybe next week I will actually have something really. I like it. But some people care about our watches. They'd be watch watching. They'd be watching my watch. I care. I watch your watches all the time. I don't watch as my watches. Who's next?

I can go. I said mine came in a briefcase. It's not really a briefcase. It's more of like a small Pelican case. But I get asked a lot. Is there any tech in Ultimate Frisbee? And usually I say, no, there isn't. But I am on a film committee for the team that I play on.

We have a lot of committees. Logistics committee, travel committee, budget committee, weather committee. That's me. You are the weather committee? It's just self-appointed. But film committee always has a tough job because we want to film all of practice in every game that we play. But it's hard to have like a good angle and like have someone, maybe like you hire someone who like films every game, has a camcorder. Back in college, we had a camcorder on the sideline.

If you weren't playing that point, we would just assign someone to go run over to the camcorder and pointed at the action. So we always had a film of every game. I swear to God, Marquez, if there's a GoPro in here. It's not a GoPro. It is a camera. It is called, I don't even know how to pronounce it. It's either called the Vio or the VEO. Have you not seen this?

No. All right, so this thing right here goes on top of a tripod, a very, very, very tall tripod, like 20 feet in the air. And it sways in the wind. But this thing has two ultra-wide cameras on the front, and it's designed, I think, for soccer, because basically what it does is you put it at half field, it sees the entire field,

and then it will stitch together on this huge panoramic image. It will auto-track the players and the ball as they are playing and film the whole practice or the whole game. Yeah, so it's got this huge panoramic view, but you don't see the whole view unless you want to in the software zoom out, but it will auto follow the action.

And what I think is happening is it's trained on soccer, but a frisbee flying through the air looks on camera kind of like a soccer ball. And so it appropriately follows a frisbee game as well. You sure it's not just like human tracking, like it's tracking the person? It tracks the actual object.

It sometimes strikes the disc because what happens is we start with seven people on the left, seven people on the right, and there's a kickoff, and it always follows the kickoff from the direction that the Frisbee comes from. It does volleyball, hockey, baseball, football, it's got it all. This is sick. If we can do lacrosse, I can do it. Yeah, if it can find a lacrosse ball is like this big. This is the second time I'm like, how have I never heard of this before? Because last time you brought in, like, the juggling balls. I feel like we ask you pretty often on this.

podcast if there's tech and ultimate first being you're like no not really there kind of isn't really you have a tracker yeah so on the back so i have a couple gripes with it's not perfect the battery life is maybe one and a half games so it's not a long time yeah USB type c it's got local storage but then it's got this really shady not shady not a very good app where you have to like upload the footage to the cloud it's also a subscription like it's not idea and it's pretty expensive but it does the thing i think 10 years ago we wouldn't call this AI we'd call it like object tracking but I think today this would be like an AI-powered sports photography. It's waterproof.

This gets out in the sun. It's like 100 degrees. It's baking hot. And this thing, it's fallen over multiple times. You can see the scratches on it. It's survived. It's pretty durable. So yeah, shout out to the-

It's like a turtle head. Yeah. Would you say that this is a popular product? I see one at every tournament I go to. Really? Yeah. And I see them. Because like multi-world using them?

Not. They do real broadcast cameras, but like every team's got one it seems like now. I do like the way on the website they show footage and I do like the way that it's panning and kind of doing a slow zoom, a slow pan. It looks very natural. Yeah, and then they have like an online portal

where you can like clips, you can like clip sections and like comment on your old team can view footage. I'd put it in vertical and scroll through all the clips. Yeah, you can do the, you know. Exactly. Yeah. I think I'm most impressed by the 20 foot tripod.

I want to see that. Does that come up with it? That sounds crazy. Fun fact about the tripod. We went to, Limerick, Ireland for Worlds. We brought the Vail. We brought the tripod. We flew back. Limerick is a place?

Limerick is the name of the city. We flew back. I brought the Vio back. Nobody brought the tripod back. It's still in our Airbnb. And is this like a, is this a proprietary tripod or does it? No, it's got a quarter 20 on the bottom. But the thing about tripods, when you picture a tripod, it's like the three legs and then the mount at the top.

But this thing has to be, yeah, it's got to be 20 feet tall. So it's got this tripod section at the bottom, but then a bunch of telescoping like scopes to get really high off the ground. So we got another one of those. Okay. Film committee is on it for those wondering. Are you the only one on the film committee? No.

Okay. No, the other guy on the film committee forgot the tripod. Yeah, I'm not going to be names. Now he, Marcus is the only one. There's only one other guy, Marcus. Yeah. So, so yeah, I took care of that. All right.

All you have to do is check a bag. It's not that hard. All right. Who's next? I'll go next because I think mine is sort of small. Mine is not a physical thing. Yeah. It's an app slash a website.

I've hyperlinked it in the show description. It's not a new thing. It's a thing I found out about a long time ago and recently rediscovered and have a newfound appreciation for it. It's called Radio Garden is very simple. It is in its core a collection of tens of thousands of radio stations that do digital streams of their broadcast, but it is wrapped up in a user interface that is very, very similar to Google Earth.

So when you want to listen to something, you have the ability to scroll through the globe and be like, what's going on in Panama? What's going on in Korea? It's very, very fun. There's feeds all over the world. It's a very simple application. You don't sign up for an account. There's no tracking.

It's just good. It's just good. So if you want to enjoy something that is not a for you page, I recommend. You ever stumble across anything crazy? I've stumbled across a few. So they curate some pretty cool stations from around the world. I also, there are some existing online radio stations. I really like WFMU here in Jersey City.

WVFRM. Is a good one too. Oh, that's, we're not, we're not on it. Dublab, NTS, which I just happen to be wearing an NTS shirt today. All of those are already on it. NTSC. But I've, I'd say like the best station that I've like stumbled upon that I do a lot is a station from Madrid, where we just were called Loka Ambient, which is all just like very calm, ambient music. It's beautifully curated.

So yeah, Radio Garden, very fun. Nice. That's kind of awesome. Oh, and it's Android, iOS, and browser. Cool. They have apps? They have apps. Oh.

Yeah. Much like Chili's. They got apps, boy. They got apps. Sick. All right. Do you want to go at them? I'll go last.

Okay, mine is not new. It is an old, well, old-ish thing, but it just like solves a problem that I feel I've had since Airtacks came out, which is air tag. The thing I lose the most is my keys. And I can't put an air tag on my key. keys without a special case without a special like extra thing that I have to get and most of the time they're trash or like they age terribly. So Chipolo came out with the Chipolo loop, which is just basically an air tag on this little floppy piece of like silicon that is just perfect. And I've been

using it. I expected it to break. I've been using it for a couple months now and it still is like perfectly on my keys. It's a little stretchy and everything. And the Chipolo thing itself is compatible with the FindMine network and with Google's Find Hub, which is perfect. So it's between both. Yeah. And it has extra functionality because there's a button. So if I press the button, I'm not going to do it now. But it would, like, set my phone off.

So, like, if I have my keys, but I don't know where my phone is, I can just press the button and it works. It does things like that. It'll be like a selfie camera. So if I put up a camera for that, I can press the button and it'll take a picture. Yeah. It's like really cool. Actually useful. And it's like not that expensive.

Wait, and you're forgetting the coolest part, which is that what's on the bottom? The recharge. USBC, baby. Oh, you can charge. How long is it lasts? On a charge? A couple weeks. Yeah, a couple weeks.

I haven't charged it in like, I think, like two months maybe. So, yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. Well, I don't use it that much. I'm sure if you're like using it every day, pinging things, maybe it doesn't last as long. But like, it's fine.

I have, I think the ringtone for this that I have is like Okukadha, which is awesome. So. It's got a speaker. Yeah, a little speaker. That's a certified bagger product. That is. That sounds like a great deal. Mine on the other hand.

Uh-oh. So this is why you wanted me to go before you. Jesus. Okay, I also brought a briefcase. You know how many Dyson toothbrushes you could have bought for this? Okay, I'm going to preface this by saying this is something that was sent to the office. This is something that is going to go into the new studio, but was taking up room here. So I asked Marquez if I could try it out at home until we bring it to the new office.

And I have, and I've been loving it. It's called the Voltra 1 by Beyond Power. It is a portable home workout machine. that is essentially a... How big would you say it's? A large water bottle size? This is the size of a low from bread. Very heavy.

Yeah. It is essentially a portable, adjustable cable machine. What? Where you have a screen, you have this, a place that you can attach workout accessories, and then a cable that can adjust to different levels of resistance. And because of how you mount it, it. There are different ways you can mount it. You can either mount it to a thing that will

attach to an average squat rack, something I don't have. You can have something that will attach to a pole. So I have one above. I have a pull-up bar in my garage so I can attach it to that. But what's kind of cool is it also has this thing, which I brought behind me, which is a big piece of wood. So what you can do is you can attach it onto the piece of wood, lock it in place, and now you standing on it is the weight resistance. Can you hold it up to the camera because you're putting in the exact spot where there's no camera heavy though? Wow. So if you want to give an example, Marquez or David, do one of you guys want to try this?

Okay, so if you take this, I just brought in one singular. Don't take a smartphone video? So take this and put it on the ground? It's pretty heavy. You're just going to turn the camera. Have you told it how much weight to do? No, so what you're going to do is on the touch screen on your left, which is pretty good. You should be able to hit weight training, and then there should be a scroll to your left on how much weight you want it to do.

Pick your, and then hit tap to load. So choose a weight. Tap to load. Now stand on it. You're going to do a hundred pound curl. Or like a, oh, you're going to do like, okay, yeah, squat. Okay. So now grab the handle and pull.

it's up so like with just the stance you can do bicep curls tricep push up like shoulder pushups you can do squats you can do deadlet like there's so much you can do with just standing and using your own weight as a counterweight in it and I forget how much it goes up to it goes up pretty high it is an absurd amount of money for just I don't know how much it goes up to you can try

see 2400 bucks um is 22 $200 for just the machine. I think at minimum you probably need, at minimum you probably need the $2,600 like Nomad bundle, which gives you the board that it connects to a straight bar and one handle. It what? It can run out of battery, which is a funny thing to say.

Oh, it can run out of battery. It's just charged with USBC. I've used this five or six times and it's at 80% battery. I was going to work out, but my weights ran out of battery. So sorry, yeah. But like, I don't know, and it's got all different ways. You can change the way the weight resistance works to kind of mimic like people who put chains on things. It can do different types of resistance to it.

It's really simple to use. The touchscreen is actually like pretty solid. Do you want to try it, Dave? Sure, yeah. It's not cheap though. Just to be, it. Well, you can see you behind it. It doesn't charge your phone, right?

I don't believe so. Okay. For some reason, all of the branding, all of the name. I thought that's where this is going. Oh, it's yeah, by beyond power. Yeah, I like, this whole time I thought this was a photo. Do some bicep curls on camera. That'll help us.

Yeah. You can't hear the music. It's nice, though, right? Yeah. It definitely has some resistance. I'm only doing 100 pounds, though. Yeah. It has a precision drive motor that can do 5 to 200 pounds.

So we can't max out your curl here, but we can do a lot of way. I do think this has a really, There's some people that this would be super useful. People who like travel van life kind of stuff like that, this is your mobile workout station. Connected to your van, use the board outside. Like you can still get a workout in. It counts your reps. It has an app.

I try not to use the app for it. Do you know how many months of a gym membership is $2,400? So many. Listen. Van life people should just pay for planet fitness. That's also super true. And they get a shower. I think most people who are buying at home or personal workout equipment,

understand they probably have to spend a lot of money for you don't know is you can do secondhand stuff you either need a lot of space or a lot of money or you're in the national parks and they don't have plenty of money. The promo video is wrapping it around a tree. Yeah it has like a strap like in anywhere it's I really think like people in RVs or stuff like this if you are living like that this might be something that's cool again it's so expensive I am not recommending anyone buys this the first time I saw it actually was there's a disc golfer who uses it because they are just to save money they're driving everywhere, but she's really into working out. So this is her mobile workout station when she's at tournaments and stuff. You know, I like seeing things that are really, really, really well

made, even if they cost insane amount of money, like the dice and toothbrush. But yeah, this seems, I mean, the build quality is crazy. It's well made. I've been having a fun time with just in the garage. And it's easy to just switch between like everything. It snaps on so nice. Would you say this is a startup or is it like established? I don't know enough about them. I don't know why they sent it to us, but there was... Like, well, I mean, in the world of fitness equipment, like this is a pretty niche thing to be doing rather than free weights, but it is like very high-tech.

The build quality is just really good. And the screen is really responsive. And the app, it looks pretty decent. And as far as I know, it's only one product with a bunch of accessories for the same product. Okay. So, like, it feels like their only thing they've made. Yeah.

Again, crazy expensive. Crazy. Don't go buy it unless you're ready to spend $3,000 or whatever. But it's well made, and I'm going to be really sad when I put it in the gym at the new office. Yeah. That's where we'll be all working out. Yeah. Great.

Yeah. Very cool. Cool. Is that everything? I guess that's everything. That was all. That was fun. Only one thing left to do, which is give me trivia points.

And then unveil the iPhone fold live on the podcast. I forgot one important disclaimer, which is that Radio Garden, the thing I said, is not available in the UK or Turkey. Or in the UK, you can only listen to UK radio stations. and in Turkey you could not. What? It doesn't work. Why? Copyright law.

Like international copyright. No wonder they had pirate radio. Do you have a marker? Oh, you have. You have so many markers. You see that movie, pirate radio? Yeah. I haven't seen it.

It's a movie. It's a movie. I have one of those. I know the general gist of what it's about. Yeah. They broadcast radio from the sea and then the UK government's very angry at them about it. Yeah. Guys, what came first?

The sound bar. Or the egg. Or the egg. And by egg, I mean stereo. Did you press the button? Wait. Soundbar or what? Or stereo cable TV broadcast.

That's not cable. Is it cable? Whatever. Stereo TV broadcast. I want MTS. To ask a clarifying question. Sure. This can only, there are only two answers that this could be, correct?

Yeah, it could either be soundbar or stereo. There's not a trick question of they came out the same month or something. Okay. Nope, nope, nope, nope. Because I almost put that because I don't trust you at all. All right. do David first. I wrote Soundbar. Soundbar

is, oh, all three of you wrote Soundbar. Everyone said Soundbar on three. One, two, three. Soundbar. Yay. I was ready to say stereo as the buzzer. Even though I gained no ground on them, I'm happy to get a credit point. I was going to say, that's the

most useless point. Tele sound model 1300. It had this thing that was kind of popular back in the day called Duophonic, where you take a mono signal and it kind of tricks your brain into thinking it can sort of stereo. But it did have actual stereo capabilities because laser disks. And I think VCR tape, like VHS tapes at the time, had stereo sound.

So you could watch some stuff in stereo, just your TV wasn't in stereo. TV stereo broadcast sort of became a thing about four years later. Cool. So with that, Marquez now has two points. Let's go. Double them up. Double them up. You ever double up your points?

That's crazy. Andrew and David tied at five. Yeah, whatever. Tied. That's not that far. Yeah, you're not that far. Yeah, it was just four to one for a while. That was a tough look.

When Google Find Hub first launched in 2013, what was it called? Oh, Mark is about a get another point. Maybe. We'll see. Everyone's right in a way. You guys all didn't even think about it. Actually, I think I remember it now. I hope I'm right.

This would be embarrassing. Yeah, actually, I think this is correct. We'll see. We'll see. By the way, there's a taco truck thread. I saw that. Did you see the Taco Bell ice cream taco? I did.

The chiro. Like a Chaco Taco Taco. They're doing... I know. I'm so excited. Chaco Taco is the best packaged ice cream treat possible. I was going to cut this and now I can't. I know.

And they're doing a ice cream taco. That's a big claim. The best packaged ice cream. I think it's true. It's what's better. It's really good. Chocolate chip cookie. Ice cream sandwich?

No. There's a lot of... Ice cream sandwiches are good, but they're not better. Klondike bars are good, but such a mess. The chewiness of the shell of the chocolate taco is unmas. It's so... Peanuts on ice cream is so slept on. Okay, that's like a...

I agree. It's like better than P.B&J combo-wise. I don't know. My issue with Klondike bars is the last quarter is like the two pieces of chocolate are slipping on the ice cream and you're like... I hate all the challenges I have to do just to get one. A Klondike bar? What would you do?

Yeah. Oh, sorry, whatever. No, that was funny. That was good. That was good. All right, Philip, I mean, read. What do we got? Okay.

Who wants to go first? I wrote, find my Android. Oh, just so close. I just wrote find. Find? Google Find. Wrong. I wrote, find my device.

Find my device. What? No. And I was going to give you the point, Marquez, until I saw it. David had the correct actual answer. David. Why? Sorry.

Sorry. Sorry. Okay. Well, 30. It is very, I will give you, Marquez. Google did call everything blank Android before they eventually just moved over. Was it at some point called Find My Android after that? I doubt it.

It actually used to be called Google Keep. That actually. And Google Drive was the car Android Auto? Okay. Anyway. Cool. So I have six. Whatever.

I don't even care about trivial. I don't hear points. Whatever. Whatever. I didn't even care. Thanks for watching. Thank you for listening. Next week.

Let's embrace TechTember together. Next week. And then Techtober. And then TechVember. We're ready for this wild ride with you all. Yeah, it's going to be fun. Keep inflating our views. Thank you.

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