Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - iPhone 14 Pro Recap and Pixel 7 Predictions!

Episode Date: September 16, 2022

This week, Marques and Andrew bring on David to discuss the start of Techtember! First they recap the iPhone 14 Pro before giving their predictions for what to expect from the Pixel 7 Google Event on October 6th. Lastly, they discuss the Apple Watch Ultra by talking with a few people who do the extreme things that Apple showed off on stage in their daily lives! Thanks to everyone who spoke with us and we hope the insights help people learn something new about adventure watches! Links: Google Event invites: https://tcrn.ch/3RHqWTT iPhone 14 Pro video: https://bit.ly/MKBHDAppleiPhone14 Special thanks to: Danny (Scuba instructor): https://bit.ly/Scuberro Hellah Sidibe (Runner/YouTuber): https://bit.ly/HellahGoodYoutube Guillermo Ponzo (Mountaineer): https://bit.ly/guillermopunzo Shop products mentioned: Check out the iPhone 14 Pro at https://geni.us/eBQaA4 Check out the Sony Xperia 1 III Smartphone at https://geni.us/uRmqQCo Check out the Apple AirPods Pro 2 at https://geni.us/LPuEQnN Check out NetGear Orbi WiFi 6 Router at https://geni.us/1sE6rNh Check out Garmin Mk2 Smartwatch at https://geni.us/MDf1T Check out Element Rival Multisport Smartwatch at https://geni.us/RvK2DR Twitters: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/DurvidImel https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're your hosts. There's three of us today. I'mquez i'm andrew and i'm david and we got three of us today because we're talking about a bunch of stuff first of all the iphone 14 pro review is now live on the channel we can get into that a little bit there it is it's purple over there uh we also have our first look at some of the stuff i predicted in that video one of which is a little dynamic island on android, kind of, sort of. A little. A little bit. We're also looking forward to a Google event, and then we're also going to wrap it up by talking to a few professionals that let us know what they think

of the new Apple Watch Ultra. But first, a quick shout out to the hoodie. This is so long overdue. I'm so glad it's finally up. So Andrew's holding it. If you're a video watcher, you can see it. But the new MKBHD edition Chevvron hoodie people have been asking me where to get this thing for so long so we finally went and just made the thing uh so mkbhd.com is where you can get the thing it's it's

about to be hoodie season i just checked the weather there's like six more days of 80 degree days and then it's going to start plummeting and it's hoodie season so get it fast yeah and this is a warm one it's good yeah i think funny story about this is like this is based on the old avatar you used to have of an amazon hoodie that you bought um but this quality is so much better yeah the amazon one i got is literally like i would i would wear it in the winter but then i'd wear a jacket over it because it was the thinnest cheapest material ever so we basically just made a better version of the hoodie i've loved there was a time where brandon vinn and i for a joke wanted to dress up as you so we all ordered the hoodie we all ordered it from the same listing on amazon and we got three different companies like all of them had

different tags they were slightly different colors yeah different quality yeah ironically if you search and i remember this being a thing for years if you search mkbhd hoodie on amazon it comes up the one that you always used to wear specifically the blue one but i think they have multiple colors but i see people wearing these occasionally and i'm like there's no way you just randomly most of the reviews on that mention mkbhd Yeah. Well, this one is a great way to support the channel. It's also way better. It's way, way, way better. So I'm really pumped about that.

But yeah, okay. So iPhone 14 reviews are out, at least ours. So there's iPhone 14s as well. I started with the 14 Pro, and it turns out to be the one that people are most interested in and it also is easily the most interesting one because there's actually a couple new things about it. Those main three being internals, display, and cameras. So the general gist of it to basically summarize, I mean go watch their video it's 20-minute review of all this stuff. But the internals are a slight bump up.

The cameras are a little bit of a bump up. And then the display is the most interesting part and the most unique and the thing that most people will notice about the phone. But honestly, if you have a phone from like the last three or four years and you get the ios 16 update that's most of the new experience right there um but i'm curious you guys you know david

you've tested the iphone 14 pro max i actually want to ask you specifically about one thing okay uh battery life yeah how has your battery life been and have you compared it to a previous max phone yeah so the pro max is good battery life obviously it lasts like almost two days but last year we did the same thing where you reviewed the pro and i reviewed the pro max and last year it was a solid two straight days yeah and i noticed that on this one it was still good but it died on the second day at like 4 p.m. Whereas last year, it died at midnight on the second day, or a little bit into the third day, which is crazy.

It's still good, but I think that Always on Display is having a little bit of an impact, and or the fact that the brightness gets up so high, especially outside. Yeah, I think it's possibly three things. The third being the A16 Bionic is a little extra power hungry. And maybe that all those things combined mean you'll get slightly less battery. But yeah, I, you know, the always on display, this is the one thing you can kind of see it now. It's like, I've looked down at it so many times thinking my phone's still on.

Same. And it's, it's giving me notifications, a nice big bright time, and my widgets are updating and all that stuff. And it is very much the Apple way, but I prefer some other ways, to be honest. Yeah. I don't like that it feels like my phone is on all the time. We talked about this a little bit before, but the way that most Android phones do it, specifically Pixel, I really like the Pixel implementation, is that you just see the time and then a few icons for the apps that you have notifications on. Whereas Apple, intentionally, like you said in the review, it fades from being fully on to being kind of like really dim.

Like half on. So you still see your wallpaper, which I don't like. Because if I'm trying to go to sleep especially and even the minimum brightness is like a little bit too bright when you're in a pitch black room it kind of illuminates oh do you use focus modes though? so the thing about the sleep focus mode I know that the always on display turns off when you

go into sleep focus mode but my sleep focus mode always turns on at like 10pm so I just turn it off and then I always forget to turn it back on when I actually go to bed that's hilarious yeah well you can push it back you can make it turn on at like midnight or something yeah this is as you're falling asleep but it also just it's uncomfortable feeling like my screen never turns off i really hate that this looks like it's on right now i thought this was on it does i don't know what i'm doing to make it actually basically all you have

to do is touch it but it basically looks like when you turn your brightness all the way down on your lock screen like that's on yeah and that's always on it's slightly different it's slightly dimmer i'm also realizing right now looking at is like at an angle you can see there's a huge difference between the like digital not or like hole punch and where the actual cutouts are and i totally see now why all the renders previously had the eye shape because that's what it is and the pixels in the cutout are like there's a lot of them you can catch it from certain angles you can really like from it's crazy how how much you can see that how much of that is screen but not screen yeah i think from straight on when you're using the phone you

never know it looks the best that's what i'm saying i didn't notice this at the event when we were shooting it and now seeing it i'm really noticing it you can also tell that the actual cutouts are not totally flush with the digital cutouts and i heard that's because apple had trouble creating exactly uniform notch cutouts on the original notch and so now when they wanted to make a digital ring around it there are actually more just black pixels surrounding the cutouts so that if the cutouts are not perfect you still get a perfect digital yeah it is a pretty consistent nice pill shaped thing yeah and then the animations all the things that it does this is the part that i think we're gonna we're gonna get into it in a second but that we're gonna see copied a lot which is

all of the stuff that the the digit dynamic island i don't want to say that anymore as just all the stuff that the pill does all the animations that it does are really crisp and like precise and high frame rate and like friendly and alive and bouncy and it's like oh that's really cool i didn't i didn't think i would care about that at all and honestly most of the time you're using a phone you're not touching it you're not interacting with it but you just notice it up at the top and it's like oh yeah that's a nice thing that they did up there it's really friendly it's like it there's something that the pixel does that makes it feel like the friendliest phone and And the animations that Apple added to Dynamic Island

feel very delightful. Yeah. I definitely prefer the Pixel's always on display. Yeah. Like when I go see the animation, well, I don't have any notifications, but the animation that it does when it fades down, brings the time in,

and it'll throw up the notifications right under the time. I like that better i also really like one plus is always on display this is my least favorite one apples yeah yeah yeah am i in the not norm here that i just hate always on display for everything i think you might be scarred from the previous pixel which would just wake up all the time yeah right i just generally don't like it i miss i just miss my no dates notification LED. Like that was perfect to me. That's.

A yellow, a yellow flash for Snapchat, a blue flash for text, a green flash for emails. Like that's all I ever want. I think you need to get the Sony Xperia 1 Mark III. The only phone shipping today that still has. Shipping today? Yeah. Are you sure about that? Well.

Well, Mark IV is not shipping today. Yeah. I don't know what's shipping anymore. One of the Sony phones, because they all have the notification LED, and that's the only one I can think of that still does it. I think Motorola does. Why would the new iPhone not have a notification ID? It has all the pixels there in the notch.

Why can't they just brighten one of those pixels as a notification LED? That would be smart, actually. I would love that. Or any phone could do that remember when the s10 came out and whenever it turned on the camera it did that little digital ring animation around the circle apple should really do that for this for notifications any phone i bet an apple come out that does that if if apple allows it to i know on Pixel, they allow you to, like, there's this really awesome battery health Pixel circle. It goes around the camera, and it's, like, lit up only as much as your battery is

for the ring. Yeah. I think we're going to see more people doing that to their Android phones that don't have it built into the software. Yeah. I don't know if Apple... I would love that as a lock screen thing, though.

Like, on my lock screen, then just have that ring light up as different colors for notifications. That would be sick. I would love that as a lock screen thing, though, like on my lock screen, then just have that ring light up as different colors for notifications. That would be sick. I would love that. That's all I want in a. So when you plug in the phone to charge, you do get a little animation. The pill extends and it shows you a circle with the battery percentage.

And when you put your AirPods back in the case and close them, it shows you the battery percentage of your AirPods. So it kind of does a lot of that stuff already. But I guess the point I was going to make is a lot of the first party stuff already already works because it's apple stuff and then third party apps that don't use call kit and now playing api will be able to come up with other cool things they want to do with the pill but as of right now like the podcast app i use pocketcast works spotify works all the stuff i typically use already works which is great one thing that i found really cool is and it's really really small but like when you are playing back media say i'm playing um the vox media show

today explained it's a yellow album art so the waveform that plays next to it is also yellow yeah it's like just a little like i haven't put that because when we did waveform it was red and i realized it matched but i guess i just assumed the default was red and i haven't tried a different one so that's black or whatever media if you play a song you know it just matches the album art of the song it's so cool that's really neat i mean it's just again nice little things they added into i mean what they did i saw someone describe it on twitter really well is like rad like apple's using its software to make the hardware limitations feel really good and that's a gradient and everything i put i pulled up the graduation album from kanye west it's not just a purple waveform it's's like a purple and bright gradient waveform.

That's so awesome. It's really nice. Again, it's like there's just these little things that make it feel delightful. And I know that Apple has been working on this for many years. And they even put a dedicated display engine just for the notch area, which they definitely want. Because I think they really want to make sure that you don't have like a glitchy notch because that would ruin the whole experience like you said Andrew trying to make that hardware feel more like software because if you can make people believe that the notch area is just a cool extra software display they'll forget that the hardware even exists and I think

that's the point yeah I think probably somewhere someone at apple looked at the pill before they did this and they were like that looks kind of like a hack the whole punch we got to do something about it make it look better yeah and then this whole project was born okay i have a question for you guys about this uh we've seen you saw on twitter there was like a xiaomi mod of like a my u, a MIUI notification thing. It kind of looks like the Dynamic Island, but it didn't like actually touch the selfie cutout. Which company will be the first to actually copy the Dynamic Island in their own software?

Oppo. Oppo. I could see that. Oppo ships features so fast. I could see that. They're probably working on a phone right now. They're like, yep, we're shipping that with the phone. They've probably been working on it since the leaks came out. Okay. Would you bet money on a different company?

Well, when we talked about this at the Apple event, I said Samsung, but then someone tweeted at me saying how Samsung is so adamant about making reachability a thing and how they make all their software to be pulled down. So now I don't think it's going to be Samsung, although I don't know if it would totally stop them from doing it. Also, the one thing about the MIUI ones, there's two. There's one that's not connected because it was a left-facing hole punch, but they had another one on a different Xiaomi phone

with a center hole punch that actually did come out and looks that's really nice um but but again people were tagging us that was like theme developers not actually xiaomi doing that um yeah so our our predictions are still out there these still could happen oppo's a great pick i think yeah i don't know if samsung would do it i i'm going i'm going xiaomi xiaomi i'm gonna go going to go with Xiaomi. I think we just see that happen in their communities and then they go with their next phone. Yeah, I guess you guys like that, so here's an option. It'll be way more optional. They'll give us customization and actual options,

but that's my prediction. I saw someone saying that I disagree with that. Android's focused on eliminating the whole bunch, while Apple's focused on making the whole bunch why apple's focused on making it into a software thing why would they do that and the simple answer there is that it's way cheaper and way easier to put software around a whole bunch than it is we've seen a couple under display cameras they're rough yeah and also android is like 30 companies and they're all yeah doing different stuff.

But yes, there's a concerted effort by a bunch of them at the highest end to get rid of the hole punch. I think everyone would like to get rid of the hole punch. Just the limit is there right now and they haven't figured that out yet. So I'm sure eventually Apple will ditch that and not have Dynamic Island, but we're a long time away from that. Apple is really good at taking hardware limitations and making them fashion.

That's deep. Yeah, well, they turned the notch into a fashionable thing. It's how you knew that you had the new iPhone. It was the signifier that said, I have the new iPhone. And then, what did they do with the notch? They put it in the MacBook. And it doesn't even use Face ID. Yeah.

So like... I'm staring at one right now. Exactly. It's another way that they're like, I have the new best thing. Yeah. And now they're doing it with the island. So how long till there's a dynamic island on the laptop? I don't want to put that into the world.

I don't want to put that into the world. That's a little too far ahead. It would have to be touchscreen, right? Oh, true. Well, no. I feel like it would not be worth it world. That's a little too far ahead. It would have to be touchscreen, right? Oh, true. Well, no. I feel like it would not be worth it without. Yeah, you're right. It could just pop in.

You never know. I think we're going to see the dynamic island for a long time on the high-end iPhones for a little while because Face ID is Face ID. That is an interesting thing, though. If they're going to put that much work into this, it's probably going to last a few generations, which means we're probably not going to see a full screen iphone for at least like four more years yep yep i agree as unfortunate as that is before after 2030 2030 before 2030 before 2030 but if you said 2025 okay how about this both models the lower model too, totally full screen iPhone before 2030? Because right now we definitely are seeing a trend of pro models are getting things quite a bit.

After. After 2030? Yeah, because they love, more than ever, and I'm going to talk about this in the iPhone 14 review, more than ever they like to separate the pro iPhone with the non-pro iPhone to give you more reasons, more, because the mistake they made earlier was not making them different enough and people would just go with the non-pro iPhone to give you more reasons, more, because the mistake they made earlier was not making them different enough and people would just go with the cheaper

phone. So now they're like, okay, it's an extra camera. It's a dynamic Island. It's the promotion and it's the new chip. And now they all, they look different. They feel different. Uh, I think they would keep a full screen iPhone more expensive and a non-full-screen iPhone less expensive for many years. Really? Many years? I think so. How long do you think it's going to be until the cheaper iPhone has Dynamic Island?

I want to know that, too. I would guess one year. As soon as the most expensive iPhone has graduated from Dynamic Island. What? No way. Oh, okay. No way. That's the Apple move, right?

It only took, like like one year for the because iphone 8 iphone 10 came out at the same time right iphone 10 was the only one that had the notch the next year the xr which was the cheaper one had the notch okay so think about what iphone se is doing in the background we've got this old ip 8 body. And when we're expecting the next iPhone SE, which I think will be next year, we're expecting that to graduate to the XR, which is the notch, but it's the like rounded, not squared off phone. So they've got rounded, not squared off phone with a notch, square phone with a notch and a dynamic island. When they move up one, all of the rest can move up with it. So when the highest end phone goes to totally notchless, then they can move up one, all of the rest can move up with it. So when the highest end phone goes to totally notchless,

then they can move up the mid-range phone to dynamic island and they can move up the SE phone to squared off sides. Wouldn't that just be more reason that next year the cheaper iPhone will have dynamic island because they are moving up the mid-range one to dynamic island? Well, they won't move it up until the highest end one moves up out out the way i have a middle ground where i disagree with both of you i don't think it'll be next year but i don't think it'll i kind of i agree with you that it needs to create some sort of separation i think we're so far away from totally full screen that there will be some

other feature the pro gets that the normal one doesn't have, and then the 14 or the base model will get dynamic island. So the Pro will have two years of... I don't know, two years. Let's say like USB-C, portless, something extra that the top one gets. USB-C is a... A pipe dream. It's not a pipe dream.

It's an example of something. So it's something new that it will get the bottom one doesn't get, and then it'll get i think they legally have to usbc is a funny example they probably have to do all usbc across the board at the same time bad example if they had the option they would put it only on the pro they would they would just like the ipads yeah like what's the ipad situation right now we have ipad air and ip iPad Pro are USB-C and all the cheaper iPads are still lightning. Why? Wait, really? Yeah. The baseline iPad is still lightning. The Mini

is C though, right? The Mini I think is also still lightning. Let me check. Let me double check. I guess what I'm saying is the Pro will get a new feature that the normal doesn't have and then the normal I think is allowed to get one of those features. Like one of them? I think it'll be Dynamic Island. I wish it was ProMotion because it's still absurd that there's an 800 phone with 60 hertz but

i do think they screwed themselves over by calling it pro motion so it'll probably only ever oh yeah the pro that was the other question i was gonna ask is like okay before after 2030 where we get a 120 hertz non-pro iPhone. It's at the point where we've talked about it for so long, we've just stopped worrying about it. I just don't think they're going to do it. It's sad. They might just get rid of the name ProMotion. Maybe. Maybe they'll just get rid of that before they put it on the cheaper phone.

But they always in the back of their head will have something they want to keep separate for for the pros yeah 100 they've got to have an ltpo yeah i mean it's still like a big difference using the two different phones i think they want to keep the experiences noticeably different also i've looked it up the mini does have usbc but i believe i'm going to check the standard ipad i think it's still lightning ipad for education yep oh the education one i could see that yeah yeah so that's probably lightning. iPad for education. Yep. Oh, the education one. I could see that. Yeah. That's probably lightning. So they can sell lightning connectors to schools.

It is still lightning. So why? Damn. Taking advantage of the teachers. So anyway, I think they're going to keep the iPhone Pros as far from the non-Pros as possible. And I don't think we get a full screen of both the pro and non-pro at the same time. All right. We will write down these bets after the podcast.

It's a one-year bet. It's a lot going on. One-year bet. Anyway, yeah, stay tuned for the iPhone 14 review. I'll try to succinctly wrap up all these thoughts that I have about the way Apple repackages things. But we do have a headline here now. I still don't know how inside baseball this is or how early this is to judge.

I think it's early to judge, and that's why I want to talk about it. Okay, so the headline is from MacRumors, and it's a quote-unquote, Ming-Chi Kuo, saying the iPhone 14 Plus pre-orders are worse than the iPhone 13 mini, therefore the product strategy has failed. Or does the mini just rock?

Well, okay. I have some thoughts. I mean, I already love, a lot of people know that the mini is very popular in a small group. It's like the vocal minority, classically. To see the iPhone 14 plus pre-orders being even worse than the 13 mini

suggests that it's doing pretty bad. But also, first of all, the 14 Plus doesn't come out for another month. That's going to impact pre-order numbers, obviously. When people go to a store or realize that their carrier is going to let them pre-order and they can't get the iPhone 14 Plus, that's going to hold it back. plus that's going to hold it back but two i don't know pre-orders to me feel like a little bit more bleeding edge than what the masses eventually get and i think the masses are going to get the 14 plus they're not pre-ordering phones but they're just going to go into the store and see the bigger cheaper phone and get it and that's why i think it's not a failure and on top of like you said pre-orders are for bleeding edge most people aren't gonna pre-order the 14 because it's basically just a 13 and also the 13 still available for sale

for $100 less what's gonna happen this holiday season there's gonna be a bunch of carrier deals there's gonna be a bunch of people being like oh I'm stalling an iPhone 8 I might I should probably get my son or daughter a new iPhone. And then they go to the carrier and they're like, oh, this is the newest one, but it's also like the cheapest. Here you go. Yeah. They're going to sell a ton just because it is there.

When it's just the new iPhone in a carrier store, these numbers change completely. And I do think that's when the Plus will outsell the Mini because people might be like, oh, the newest one. Oh, that's the cheapest. I can spend a little bit more for the bigger one. bigger screen and the mini came out at the same time as the others last year like this we can't do this analysis way too early yeah way too early guys so i believe that the numbers are lower now but i don't think they can say it's a failure yet no yeah um okay we'll take a quick break we got a bunch more to talk about including

um some other companies so let's be right back oh right oh don't we have a new thing happening too with trivia oh not yet not yet not yet not yet oh yeah that's just for the answers oh yeah we'll save it for the end we'll save it all right get hype but the question of course how could i forget i don't know how could you forget i was just so amped to move on to Google stuff. It's an exciting week. We've got all these new toys in the office. You know, there's a lot on our mind.

But I do have some good trivia for us this week. All right. In June of 2021, Apple began offering the ability to stream lossless audio via Apple Music. Which model of AirPods are able to play Apple lossless audio? 2021. Ellis just complained about this to me the other day. Complaining about it all week. If you guys actually listened.

If Ellis is complaining. Yeah, then it's not the obvious one. Okay. Noted. All right. Who's to say? We'll come back after the break. This episode is brought to you by HelloFresh.

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Do you want me to? I wrote this up, so I think. Yeah, yeah, what are we going to talk about? Let me explain what I want to talk about. I don't know if I have anything to talk about. I think there's a couple interesting points about this. First of all, October 6th is the official date, which is like the new thing that we did get from last episode.

It's in Brooklyn. I believe it's a live event, right? Is this actually going back to live? It's in Brooklyn. That's a good question. I don't know. The rumors say live. I'm not sure if you got an invite yet. I'm not sure if you're allowed to talk about it i don't i don't know

anything i don't have an invite i don't know about invites and i don't know anything about the event interesting the rumor is that it's a live event whether that's like a hybrid live like apple's doing which i kind of like because i love the pre-produced stuff but i also like going in the show floor and hands-on experience and stuff like that um so we'll see about that wait can we talk about that i i really okay as a consumer and an enthusiast about tech i love the pre-produced video i love watching it i enjoy like the presentation of the features and how well they're able to like Consistently wrap everything together but as someone who's taking notes and

Has to make a video and remember all the specs and everything that's happening I much prefer the live event in which you have time because people have to breathe and walk off stage and walk back on stage and like actually say things instead of just a drone whizzing to the next thing by the time you're writing down you know what I mean like it's actually easier to take notes and handle a live event as a press member you know what's crazy is like if you think back to just pre-2020 everything changed in 2020 when all these pre-produced videos started happening everything before that from the very first Apple iPhone event up until 2019 was basically a PowerPoint.

Yeah. So it had- It's like literally just a fly- Yeah, a keynote. They had individual project managers that would come up and say, we're proud to announce this. Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap. It is really great because it has this feature.

And you had time to like type down. And then they did like, let me do a live demo. And then they roll out a table. And then they go, here are the products. And then they let's start the demo. So as you can see, I'm using the product here. And you're like, yes, okay, how does this work? But in the produced video, it's like, boom, boom, boom.

Yeah, it's just quick. It's really quick. It's so fast. It's just like feature, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, it's just quick. Yeah. It's really quick. It's so fast. It's just like feature, feature, feature, feature. So I can appreciate both, but I don't know what I want from the Google event. I really don't know. I think you should learn how to type faster.

I type pretty fast. It's just like I'm typing my notes and I'm tweeting. Like, okay, here's my workflow of an Apple event from the audience, right? We were gonna like try to vlog this a little bit. I was like, I promise you I'll be locked in. I won't be able to vlog. Okay, I've got my laptop in front of me.

The event starts. I have Twitter open on one side because I live tweet the thing. And I have my notes open. And I have a live feed of the keynote playing in the background on maybe like a 15 second delay, 20 second delay. Oh, that's actually a benefit. So when the thing gets announced on stage first thing i do is live tweet if i don't need an image if i do need an image i will see the thing happen on stage and take a picture of it and if that's too late if i miss it then i'll switch over to the tab with the video playing take a screenshot because

i know exactly when it's going to happen then put that in my tweet while all that is happening I also need to take notes for the video later so I need to make sure I get all of my numbers and facts and specs straight while I'm also reacting giving my feelings on Twitter so there's like three brains happening at once uh for two hours for a long time in a row and then often they sort of move on so quickly from something that I'm still reacting and haven't written down the number yet. And I'm trying to remember the number while I'm reacting. And the next thing's happening. And it's just it's a lot. It's chaos.

It's a lot. So I guess what I'm saying is as a journal or MKBHD really wants it to be like a live presentation. But then it won't be like a cool video. I guess Google's videos weren't that cool google never really makes the like hype videos they they kind of make their videos basically slideshow what's something that i noticed is like the videos that google shows off on stage are generally their tv ads yeah apple does the ad at like the end of the product presentation and google will do it like google throws like the same at the end of the product presentation, and Google will do it as most of it.

Google throws the same videos that they have in the presentation they put on TV. It's like rather than a drone shot transition, they're doing the beauty B-roll transition of the product and then talking about it like a stage event where Apple's showing way more, and then they have their own transition. They've got this sort of pseudo formula where there's a new product, it'll be like higher up executive going, we really think a lot about this product category. That's why I'm excited to show you the newest thing. And then they'll pass it to an executive who's in charge of that exact division. And then they'll be like,

we're proud to introduce new product name. And then you'll get like a splashy 30 second epic video, right, with like shadows and coming out of water or something crazy. And then it'll come back to that executive and they'll do the keynote. And then before the price, they'll dive back into the commercial. We see the commercial, we come back to the executive, they go, it will start at this price and it'll be available on this date. Back to you, executive. And they go back up to the top. I promise that's exactly the format of the last like five Apple announcements in this exact way. But yeah, in the Google way, it's more of here's a cool thing.

Here's how it works. Here's some slides. I can rock with that. That's like a nice hybrid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they usually have like a product specialist or the engineer that designed the thing come up and talk about the engineering problems around it, whereas Apple would never do that.

Well, somehow Apple has an unlimited amount of excellent presenters that also worked on the products. It's kind of unreal. Yeah, we were joking that the turnover must be insane because I've never seen the same executives on stage, except for like phil schiller and like the main guys yeah but like for the product managers it's always a different product i see head of product for a while like the head of the ios people are the same every time the

mac people are the same every time or like the same couple of people like craig has had a software you'll see him in the mac events but yeah they just go from person to person and that was the other thing i tweeted in the middle of the event i was like i don't know how they're capturing audio it seems too perfect it's like kind of way too good uh where's the microphones are they doing this like dubbed over and post what's happening here and i had an apple executive come up to me in the hands-on area like hey by the way all the audio is live. And I was just like, dude, how? Where's the mic, dude? I need to know.

Not just where's the mic, they're in a giant empty room. It should be massively echo-y. It should be reverb. They're outside sometimes and they're just in the middle of a desert and they're talking and it's like, how is there no wind or anything? Nothing's like messing up your audio.

It's perfect every time. The presenters are like calmly speaking fluently to the camera every time. And that's just not true about every company. That's just facts. So Apple's got unlimited great presenters. That's what I learned. And money. Yeah.

Okay, anyway. So Google event. Google. What are we expecting from Google? Well, so one thing that I find really interesting is we always make jokes about how Google leaks everything, and they basically have been doing their own leaks. Yeah. But then I went to go look at what we know about the Google event, and I know, like, nothing.

So has their leaking— Wait, don't we know everything? We know it's a Pixel 7. We know what it looks like. Do we know anything else about it? Well, that's all there is to know. They just have to give us a price. We could have special features. No, there's plenty's plenty of software features don't really leak i mean

stuff like that like all the stuff that could leak has leaked which is i don't know about that i feel like we've been gone into pixel events or other android events with way more knowledge than this one also remember at the pick the google event last time at I.O. when they showed off the future glasses thing? No one had heard anything about that. But that wasn't real. They were testing it. Oh, they can internally test all they want, but they weren't going to build a thing.

Yeah, it wasn't like a product. Yeah, when stuff leaks, I guess, you're like, oh, you're going to a supply chain, you're getting it approved by the FCC, all that stuff. True. So when, for example, Apple's going to have supply chain, you're getting it approved by the FCC, all that stuff. So when, like, for example, Apple's gonna have an event, the September event, we all kind of know what we're gonna get. I think it's gonna be an iPhone,

probably a watch and whatever. But like, then we find out in person. So when the Google event rolls up, it's gonna be like, all right, we're gonna make a new Pixel phone. It's gonna have the next generation Tensor chip. It's gonna be called the Pixel 7. Here's what it looks like. And we're all going to sit there like, yeah, we already knew all of this, actually.

And so all they have to do is tell us a couple of software features they worked on and a price. And that's it. The tagline is, it's all coming together this fall. And I know that that probably means we are building out our ecosystem, which is probably specifically a reference to the watch. And maybe they will show more about the tablet that's coming out early next year, especially because there have been a lot of updates to Android recently to make tablets a lot better. However, maybe we'll see another hardware product that we weren't expecting as part

of an ecosystem. Is it possible that Google has made a hardware product and not had it leaked that's the is it possible billion dollar question it could it could happen yeah i mean it happened i feel like they released the pixel buds pro kind of early like it would have made sense for them to just release them with a giant ecosystem it's not in here especially if like you said the the tagline is coming together this fall i figured it would be everything i mean there there's some rumors of a new nest uh oh yeah nest camera and uh oh yeah true that's true that's true and a new chrome chromecast hd as well yeah oh yeah chromecast hd because when you say it's all coming together it's got to be more than two

it's going to be a lot of smart home stuff yeah and how they can all maybe connect better together and i mean like they want to drive home ecosystem i think google is really leaning into like the smart home ambient stuff like they're way better at it they're way into it yeah yeah yeah i'm working on a video about this too but like yeah the nest doorbell what i mean yeah new speaker new doorbell. I mean, yeah. New speaker, new doorbell, new camera. Sure. Nest Audio. Maybe a new Nest Hub Max or Nest Hub. Yeah. What do you want out of a new Nest Hub?

Because I have the Nest Hub Max. The screen is okay. Maybe I'd like it to be a little more responsive and faster, but I don't touch it that often. I yell at it across the room and ask for timers and weather. What would you want out of a brand new nest hub max other than faster i can't think of anything yeah i don't know i mean they already have like they already have solely i want a better design somehow i like that would be so sick if it was a picture frame somehow like oh like imagine that no no no like one that you hang on your wall and

can like hide the wire like that would be how sick, like the Samsung frame has Nest Hub Max. Frame TV, but a Nest Hub. That would be pretty intense. I think it would limit how many people could get it. True. I mean, but if it's the Nest Hub Max,

I think. They want this thing in every kitchen in the world, I think. Like plug it into the wall, put it on the counter, boom. Yeah. They still have Nest Hub Mini and all that stuff for other rooms.

One that could be like the screen that's somewhere in your main living room or in your kitchen or something like that i think looks way nicer i still think the original google home's the best looking google like home air freshener because it actually fits with other things it does it's really casual and it's all ambient versus like imaging this is the biggest uh problem i have with my new routers this is super side note into the weeds but i got uh so i was using a google wi-fi mesh system the routers for like a month and i was like i don't know i'm paying for pretty fast internet and i'm just straight up not getting it i wonder if there's like a better router solution out there and the wi-fi things the little pucks also are google assistant hubs so you can ask it questions it's a little speaker on the bottom which is cool um and it plugs into the google home app and everything

but then i read all these reviews about this netgear orbi system there's a bunch of really good ones i got one of the higher end ones the thing is five times the size of a google home it is unbelievably abusive and ugly oh wow and i get amazing internet speed so like i don't want to not use it anymore because it's it's the best internet speed i've ever had universities where you hang them from the ceiling yeah i don't know it just sits looking like an eyesore at every spot i have three of them one's in the garage one on each spot i don't know. But I got my first one gigabit per second down over Wi-Fi.

I was like, I can't switch back. I was getting like $250 from the Nest, which is like really good, but I'm paying for $900. I would do that just for it to not look as good for sure. Yeah, I don't know. I think that overall the Google event

is going to be leaning more into ambient stuff, like home stuff, and just being able to make ambient more part of your world. And in fact, I'm going to make a hot take, I think a big part of Tensor 2 is going to try to be enabling more ambient features throughout your entire Google ecosystem. Because that was sort of the whole point of Tensor 1 in the first place

was like better speech to text and speech detection in general. I think they're going to try to take that to the next step because that's their master plan. We all know that. Yeah. So that would make sense. So is that the theme officially? It's all coming together?

Yeah. You know how disappointed I was when Far Out from apple didn't have any astrophotography i'm hoping google delivers on this one yeah i'm hoping yeah we'll see do you want to do a couple pixel seven speculations like price or maybe like one random feature we don't think yeah okay um price is up let's do price first price same so there's this there's gonna be a seven and a seven pro we we're pretty sure um how about tensor 2 pixel 7 is 6.99 oh and 7 pro is 8.99 how about that some Yeah. Wow. But like they're still undercutting some stuff. Yeah. I think last year everyone liked the price of the Pixel 6, but not the Pro because you didn't get that much more in the Pro at all.

Right. A lot of people complained about the $899 price. I think either they're going to do $599 and $849 or $599 and $799. I could see $799 because a $300 Delta is massive. It's gigantic. A $200 Delta is more acceptable. The iPhone only does a $100 Delta on this side. Okay, yeah.

So what's the difference going to be between Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro? They're going to have the same Tensor chip. Telephoto camera. Or are they? Oh, wait a second. No, they'll both be Tensor 2. They'll going to have the same Tensor chip. Telephoto camera. Or are they? Oh, wait a second. No, they'll both be Tensor 2. They'll both be Tensor 2? Yeah.

Okay, because I was going to talk about how everyone's going to start copying Apple and the lower end silicon in the new phone. I don't, because even the 6A has Tensor 1.

That's true. Yeah, that would be rough. I think Google will just put Tensor in everything. Okay, so they have the same chip. Yeah. Do they have the same primary camera? Yes.

So you get maybe no telephoto? That's telephoto in the smaller one? Okay. That's the case right now, I think. Smaller flat screen, lower refresh rate, smaller battery. Is that enough? That's not $300. That's what it was last year.

That was the problem. So do they have to add some new feature to the Pro or take something out of the smaller one? What do they do to, or do they just lower the price of the Pro? I don't know. It seems like they're too they do to or do they just lower the price of the pro i don't know it seems like they're too far i think they'll lower the price of the pro i think it'll be 799 or 849 and that the low one will stay at 599 because everyone loved that price and it moved units it was a really good price okay so lower the price of the pro yeah i like that better i like that better than my prediction let's go let's go with that okay 599 again and nice little 799 price drop i can see a 200 delta but 300 was way 300 is way

too big yeah even though i'm still using the pixel 6 pro well i say still i switched back to it like a month ago or something um what else do we not know about the pixel 7s yet battery size wireless we pretty much just have like a picture at the back right yeah anything different on the front this year hole punch under display no we haven't seen anything not expecting much yeah i'm expecting hole punch again i hope the build quality is a little bit better better fingerprint reader would be nice yeah it's pretty slow i weirdly i like and don't like the new bump on the back i like that it's metal and it has like a contrast,

but I hate that it has circles for the camera cutouts. The holes are massive. I don't like the holes in it at all. The eye shape. I think it's kind of weird. Yeah. I don't know. I would love to see cool new ambient stuff that we're not expecting.

So who knows? Would be great. Ambient computing. Yeah. Dot, dot, dot. Sundar walks on stage. Here at Google, with my sweet jacket, we've been

talking a lot about how to be the most helpful company in the world. And it's all finally coming together. Take it away, Rick. Good morning! Anyway, okay. That's pretty much it. That's our Google predictions. What does Rick say?

Does he have a catchphrase i don't think he no when i was at motorola he does i mean he does have a vibe but i don't think he has a catchphrase yeah he's got a vibe i like rick's vibe yeah yeah rick is my favorite uh in person just like yeah he's fantastic he's just like super passionate and you can tell him and craig have the same like dad energy i think yeah oh man that's true they could be next door neighbors easily yeah i could see that like they're just like waving their phones over the fences like this phone is better than yours um well that's pretty much it we do have another trivia question before our break and then we're gonna actually come back and talk to some professional athletes about their thoughts on apple watch ultra these are

people who haven't used the watch ultra but who have witnessed the event just like we have yeah and have reactions to it as well i'm i play sport i run and bike a little bit but i play ultimate frisbee and i'm i'm thinking about the watch purely in terms of Ultimate. But obviously there's a bunch of different sports in their videos. You have diving, mountain biking, all this stuff. That would be really cool to talk to people who actually do that heavily. So we'll talk to them after the break. But before we get there, one more trivia question. All right. all right so for this next trivia question we're going to take a trip down uh ev lane so before

ford got in the way what was the tesla lineup supposed to spell out oh yeah yeah yeah oh we all know this yeah right no i know this one, I'm confused by the wording of the questions. Yeah. It still spells it out. It kind of spells it. Whatever. Okay. All right.

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Now we're going to do something kind of different, kind of interesting, kind of fun. So in the Apple Watch Ultra presentation that they showed off at the event, they specifically called out three key extreme sports slash features that they think that the Apple Watch Ultra can actually replace dedicated hardware for. Those three extreme sports were running, like ultra marathon running and extreme running, diving, which I think they kept using the term recreational diving is

what they kept saying over and over again. I don't think they wanted to make sure that it's not going to go insane. We also want Ultra to be a great tool for recreational scuba divers. And then also like mountaineering. So extreme mountain climbing will not climb. I keep saying the word climbing. It's not climbing like this with your arms going up and down for the listeners, but hiking, hiking.

Yes. Going, going up a mountain, going up a mountain, ascending and descending. Hopefully descending. Yeah. a long, long time. Ascending. Ascending and descending. Well, hopefully descending. Yeah. Sorry.

Oh, my goodness. Okay. You have the SOS feature. Exactly. Exactly. So, yeah. So, I went out and I talked to three people that do these more extreme sports. So, which one do you guys want to start with?

We got the swimming, you know, diving. I'm least familiar with the water sports. Maybe we start there. The diving stuff. Yeah. I want to hear mountaineering the most. I also know who you interviewed for running and he's awesome. So let's start scuba and then.

Okay. So we interviewed Danny and he is a scuba instructor off the coast of Italy. My name is Danny. I'm a scuba diving instructor and I'm working on the island of Sardinia in Italy at the moment as a guide and diving instructor. Which is really sick. He told us that he actually dives like twice a day. Sounds like a fun job. That's awesome.

Yeah. He dives twice a day. So he was overall extremely excited about this watch. He uses four different diving watches slash computers right now. At the same time? No, not at the same time. Okay. Just like for different use cases depending

on what he's doing okay um but he said that his most common watch that he uses right now is a watch i dive every day multiple times a day and i would use it 100 the one i have right now is a dive watch from a company called sunto which is pretty famous in diving and the battery lasts it's not with any color or anything so the battery battery lasts, I don't know, one year, one year and a half. And the Suunto has a battery life of one year, which is pretty crazy. It's pretty good. But of all of the different features that the Apple Watch had,

he said it could pretty much replace everything that the Suunto did for him except for the battery life, Okay. Which is pretty awesome. And for people that don't know specifically, the Apple Watch Ultra has all of these different diving features. It's rated for up to 40 meters for recreational diving, which is actually the limit for recreational diving before you get into technical diving. And then Apple says it is also water resistant down to 100 meters, which is like pretty far into the technical diving stuff.

I specifically asked him, what do you need for this kind of stuff? And is there anything that the Apple Watch couldn't do that you would need to use something different for? And he said that it can almost do everything because it has stuff like decompression time. They worked with this diving app company that already has an app on the iPhone, but now it's going to be on the Apple Watch called Oceanic Plus. Yeah, they were in the keynote.

They were in the keynote, yeah. The diving computers that people are using right now, the UIs are pretty awful. And they're these big, hunky, even bigger than the Apple watch looking devices on their wrist. But he said, basically the only thing that it can't do is the diet, the hardcore diving one, diving computers can mix different types of gases for you when you're diving really deep. I would definitely replace this one with the new apple watch ultra and not the other one just

because the other one is for technical diving so you can change gases while you're diving and do different things which is not recreational diving anymore so that's the only reason why because when you're just going to 40 meters you're able to just use regular air but as soon as you get deeper than that because you don't want to build up nitrogen you have all these different things you have to mix different gases and those watches watches have a special Bluetooth connection or something that will allow it to mix the gases for you. So it's talking to the rest of your equipment. Right, where the Apple Watch Ultra

does not currently talk to your equipment. He was saying that he's hoping that maybe at some point they might add integration. I could see that. It could be like a Peloton situation where eventually they build the software in and maybe that happens. Okay. So this Suno that he's wearing is this a sunto sunto yeah that's a watch he would wear all the time or he only wears it diving only diving okay

and so one of the most exciting things for him about the apple watch ultra was that right now he has an apple watch series 6 but he said he basically never uses it because he dives twice a day. And he always needs to either be using the Suunto or maybe one of the other watches that he has. And so he said, like, I just don't want to switch my watches all the time. And he doesn't use his Suunto out during the day because it doesn't really look like you're supposed to wear it. So he said something he's really excited for

is that he can go do a diving session with some clients and then immediately get out and go meet his girlfriend for dinner. And it won't look totally ridiculous on his wrist. And you can use it for the regular Apple Watch stuff. As you can imagine, I stopped using my Apple Watch right now because I needed to use this one. And I just didn't want to take it on and off all the time. But if I only have one device that I can use when i go out with my girlfriend to have a meal and the next morning and i use it

to sleep and then next morning i come to work and i go diving and i don't need to take it off it would be very very good i would appreciate it it'll look less ridiculous less ridiculous yes yeah that's that sounds like the ideal uh candidate for this watch. I don't know what EN 13319 certification is. They flashed it on the screen and I was like, huh, sounds official. Cool. And I sort of moved on. I don't know what that, like, I don't know how many of these features or certifications are actually applicable to this.

But I'll tell you what it reminds me of. When I went out to shoot the Ascension project with David Blaine, he was strapping a bunch of balloons to his arm and ascending upper into the atmosphere where the air gets much thinner and he would have to monitor his blood oxygen levels. And at a certain point during the pre-rehearsal,

he was like, Marques, the new feature on the watch this year is a blood oxygen level sensor. Should I use that to actually monitor my blood oxygen and then hopefully don't go hypoxic and pass out and die while strapped to the balloons? I do not want to give you medical advice about this. And that, basically, my reaction was, okay, it's cool that it can track that, but I would use a dedicated watch that just does that.

Because this is actually a matter of life and death, and I wouldn't want you to just, oh, the watch glitched out. It turns out I'm going to die in a minute. Yeah. And so, you wouldn't wear that particular instrument as you come down and land and go off to a date. But the Apple Watch, if it worked well enough, could be reassuring, you know, if it's giving you the right info. So that's what it reminds me of. I don't know how life and death some of these things are.

The decompression times and all these things are obviously very important for diving. The switching gases, that's only usually used past 40 meters yes you said you don't need other gases until you get into technical diving which is past 40 meters basically in your tank when you do recreational diving you just have normal air compressed so just compressed air normal taken from a compressor from the outside and put in a tank is exactly as they are you breathing right now. And, uh, technical diving, you might have different gases in your tank, uh, because you need to go more, for example, deeper, you need to stay longer, sir, at a certain depth and, um, uh, the, not the compression limit that I was

talking before, um, if you exceed this, uh, this number, let's say, uh, then it's also technically it's considered technical diving it's it seems like i think to make that connection with what you're saying it feels like the apple watch is fantastic for everyone who's doing and probably why they kept saying recreational like you said yeah if you are a professional doing technical diving you're probably okay with pulling out the big guns that you're only using for that. Right. Yeah. So it honestly makes perfect sense. Recreational is the perfect recreational is the perfect word for what Apple usually calls pro. I was going to say that like

it seems interesting because Apple sort of marketed this as the like, are you the most hardcore person in the world? But then they use the word recreational all the time during the keynote. Yeah. It's like the edge between normal Apple Watch users and actual hardcore professionals with dedicated equipment is this blurry line of like, I don't know, I ran like, I do a triathlon in my city every weekend,

but obviously the watch won't last the whole time. So I don't use. I do a triathlon in my city every weekend, but obviously the watch won't last the whole time, so I don't use the Apple Watch. Or like, oh, I do actually do some pretty intense hikes pretty regularly every summer, and it would be cool if the watch could get waypoints because as of this current time, I don't use the watch for anything. It's like that gray area.

It's like above average. It's above average intense recreational but not you know 100 meters down scuba like technical diving or like hiking mount everest i don't think the mountains that they're showing in the keynote are necessarily the highest end most extreme i need three or four instruments on my wrist to keep track of if i'm going to die or not but i believe it's like more intense than like a hike up the mountain in hawaii or something yeah and it seems like they can do like the apple watch ultra can can do like 95 of what the most extreme of these sports need it's just that five percent is very important when you're in the top top top part of it you know makes sense but we're talking about i don't know um five percent of the people

that dive do technical diving the other 95 they just go they just do diving when they go in holiday or they just do it in uh if they're at least close to the sea or close to a lake or something like this so technical diving is for very few people and um yeah um but he was extremely excited about it he said he is definitely going to get one okay and he can see a lot of these selling which is surprising yeah oh i can see it's we've four divers yeah but even for all of them and for the same purpose is why gopro sells so well and we've made the comparison is like i have no doubt that it'll sell well i want to see what the people who actually are using it how how they compare it.

So I can't wait to see when he gets it and then compares it to his Suunto or whatever he's using. Yeah, the Suunto he's using now is a few years old, he said, and it's $250. I was going to ask, yeah. Yeah, but it's also quite old. He said they can get up to about $800 to $1,000. Probably you can get this one, which is still okay right now. It's pretty old, but it is still okay right now it's pretty old but it's still okay for maybe 250 euros so 300 or something like this i have a i have another one

which i use uh just in particular cases a very expensive one is really big it's like a big square on my on my wrist wow for a single use watch exactly not crazy yeah well yeah but it's it's kind of old it's like three to four years old he said if it can mix gases and he trusts it to go no it can't mix gases can't the sunto cannot okay yeah the sunto is going to be completely replaced for him by the apple watch the apple watch will do everything the sunto does and also a lot of other stuff okay cool right so yeah he was super stoked about it. He basically was like for everything that I do on an everyday basis, this is going to work awesome. I would definitely buy it.

All right. So check in the box. Yep. All right. Who's next? Do we want to do running or hiking? I'll do, I like, I'm curious about the running. Running?

Yeah. So we interviewed Hella. He actually has a YouTube channel. He ran across America recently. He runs interviewed Hela. He actually has a YouTube channel. He ran across America recently. He runs every single day. He's on his like 1500 and something day of running right now. My name is Hela Sidibe and I am obsessed with running. I've been running every day since May 15th, 2017. And after I run today will be my day. consecutive days i've yeah missed the day and i've also Uh run across the u.s. I ran from los angeles california to new york city new york

And I just recently did my first hundred miler trail ultra elevation, whatever you name it The thing I found crazy he finished his run run across America and then he ran the next day. We met him at the Apple event. Okay, when someone runs across America like Forrest Gump, they're taking breaks every night and then just running a bunch of miles every day. He said he was running about 14 hours a day of running. I'm spending 8 to 14 hours a day on my feet running. Oh, wow. Yeah, he did it in 68 days or something.

But this is just high-level recreational. He's not a professional runner. I don't know what that means. I mean, if you're racing, that's one thing. He's not a sprinter. Yeah. If you are running high-level recreational way more than a normal person, which that sounds like he is, then maybe he's in that blurred area. Yeah.

I mean, he's not in the Olympics doing sprinting like 100Ks or whatever. But he does run races, and he made sure to bring up that the Apple Watch Ultra does have some features specifically that would be good for competition. So, some interesting features they're adding, they're doing track monitoring detection, which is interesting.

He said that that would be possibly helpful for training, but that he doesn't really run on a track um the the main things that he's really excited about are things like the action button because he he mentioned that when he's running a lot when he's running far distances he sweats a ton his fingers get sweaty he's wiping sweat off of his forehead and then when he's just trying to change things it it's all button. It's all like soft touchscreen touchscreen button based.

Yeah, he like can't. Sometimes it doesn't register as problems. Yep. So having the physical buttons was really important for him. If you're really running and you're tired, you're sweaty, sweat start getting in your eye, you find yourself doing this. The action button is very important. I think that's

very should be familiar with anybody active whether you run your outdoor trail hiker whatever it is just making it simple um oh the biggest thing though is like so when he's about to run a race like he's gonna run a marathon or something the apple watch it's a very specific thing but it has this countdown where you press start exercise and it goes, okay, we're starting. Three, two, one. Yeah. So this guy wears four watches because he wants to compare all of them all the time and have the data on every single one. Oh, he's intense.

I like this guy. He wears four running watches. All of the other ones have a similar like action button thing. You press it, it goes. But this one, he's like, all right, on a marathon, I got to press it three seconds before they blow the horn. You see runners on the line right before a race. Everybody has their hands on their watch, right?

To hit the start. But with Apple, you got to time it where three, two, one goes by the time they blow the horn or shoot the gun to go. So like when I was at New York City Marathon race start, when they were like five, four, I waited till I then i hit start so it counts down so it starts exactly versus waiting till i hear one when i hear one i can just hit boom and then go those watches do that apple doesn't do that he also really likes the dual frequency gps because he runs through cities especially when he was doing his like across america thing he was going through cities and stuff yep when you're going through cities

the gps is terrible yeah and he loves his metrics i'm actually excited about the the new gps also as well the l1 plus the l5 because now you can have accuracy when you're in buildings and sometime i will say as much as i love the other watches especially garmin uh the gps sometimes when you're in building you're like there's no way i'm running at this pace you just know it with your feel and and you're like apple seems a little more what i feel like i'm running by feel right now even though it's not picking up the gps maybe as much as it should but it is a little more on what you feel like your body's moving at that pace so uh big thing he loved was the battery life expansion actually when i saw 36 hours i was like thank goodness like that is big and then when i saw the 60 hour extended potential

battery i was even like whoa he basically said that like when he was both when he was running across america and then he also did an ultra recently which is about 100 miles yeah i know it's crazy sick um it obviously the watch obviously wouldn't last that long before so it took 27 hours 44 minutes and 9 seconds okay i know yeah it was okay he literally passed off the apple watch, the dead Apple Watch, to one of his teammates who was like driving alongside him. They took it, charged it for him, and put it back on him at like mile 60. So 60.9 miles, 16 hours. That's when the Apple Watch did the 10% warning sign.

So I left it with my crew at that point to charge it up. And I picked it up around mile 80 something to finish the race with. Yeah. Yeah, because it takes a while to charge yeah it would take like a full 40 minutes of however much running you're doing yeah yeah wow which is crazy so he thinks that he would be able to do a full ultra with this especially with the 60 hour right low power mode which is coming later this year later this year we'll have to check that out yeah but he was already just stoked about the 36 hours of normal usage because he said like 90 of the stuff he did does on a day-to-day basis that will work for um the biggest

thing that was an issue with me with apple watch was the battery life because as i got my runs longer and as i'm doing longer distance ultra distance the battery doesn't last as long even the run across america i had to get a different watch because I don't have time to keep charging. And it's wasting time because I'm spending 8 to 14 hours a day on my feet running. So to wait an hour, two hours to charge the Apple Watch was taking daylight from me. Which probably means 99% of most of what everyone else is doing. Yeah, or like 99.9, yeah. I'm getting the feeling, okay. I'm getting the feeling, okay, I'm getting the feeling that the Apple Watch Ultra can cover more close to the absolute maximum use case than it did in diving and running.

Like, what is the absolute peak, like, critical information of, like, running and training? It's like, okay, I need to measure exact timing of things. It's a stopwatch. It's maybe GPS location and splits and pace and things like that and like the watch is already really good at that and now the dual frequency gps will be better at it battery life and battery life for long runs and if it's good enough for this guy who's running 14 hours a day across the country i don't see very many runners who need a separate dedicated even better running watch yeah so that's tracking pretty well for me. Right now there's like garments and stuff that are also used for that.

Um, but he's like, I don't know, this could, he said basically the only thing that garment and a couple of the other companies he uses has over the Apple watch is mostly battery life because those last for like weeks at a time. Yeah. So I run with Coral's A apex pro that's one of them. And I did the trans count with this, which is the garment Phoenix six pro. And then this is the Wahoo element rival. And I will say this one does best with a battery.

Cause I can go two weeks without charging this. But the, the diving was also like, it does most of the things that you want to do in recreational diving too. And the UI is way better. But the diving was also like, it does most of the things that you want to do in recreational diving too. And the UI is way better. So I think the edge case might be a little bit wider because there are probably more technical divers than there are people that the Apple Watch Ultra is not enough for them for running.

Yeah, exactly. Right. You can go beyond the diving capabilities of this watch, but it's really hard, it sounds like to go beyond the running capabilities of this watch, but it's really hard. It sounds like to go beyond the running capabilities of this watch. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's pretty good.

Yeah. This is it. Oh, sorry. I was going to say, is he going to get one or not? Oh yeah. He said he's absolutely at the event. We talked to him for, oh, and he's sending him one, but he said he would absolutely, he was going to buy one anyway.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. This doesn't really have to do with his running per se, but one thing he said that I thought was kind of interesting is that when he's, you know, he talked a lot about how most of the other running watches don't function well as a straight up smartwatch, which didn't matter a ton to him. But he appreciated that if you're out wearing a Coro or something like that, it's like a clear, clear running watch.

People look at him and go, oh, you're a serious runner. If you see a Coro on my hand, you might think, oh, he's an active person. He probably runs or he probably, or Garmin, he's probably. But if you see an Apple Watch, you might not even guess. They might just be like, oh, he just likes to have Apple Watch in his wrist to have time. Maybe use it when he needs to, but it's like a sleeper. Cause I might,

you might think I'm, you can guess who I am, what I am, but you never know because I can be either or. So that's also fun. And he likes that. If he's wearing the Apple watch, people won't all of a sudden assume all these things about him.

He said, it's kind of like a sleeper and it's fun because people don't really know like what he's about. Yeah. For now. I think that might change when the commercials show up on tv but for now that's an interesting yeah some of the other things too was that he really likes the compass and he really likes the waypoints um because that was the other feature that one of the other watches had was if you were like going on a run that was basically also kind of

a hike because you're running through a forest or something and you're doing trail running sure yeah he said that another one of his watches has a literal like map that shows you like which direction to go whereas some watches are just like go in this general direction you know and so like having the unlimited waypoints that you can just drop with the action button if you want to, and then having it be able to guide you back to each individual waypoint, or just do it backwards. Yeah.

It'll just take you back the same way. Backtrack. He really, really liked it. But I have a reroute, like, bring me back on the Garmin Corals. I just hit the Garmin one, and you see yourself on the path of the map. So I think that's really cool. It's not a... Compass can help, but seeing yourself on the Garmin Corals. I just hit the Garmin one and you see yourself on the path of the map. So I think that's really cool. It's not a compass can help, but like seeing yourself on the actual path. I think that's very important. Also the 68 decibel, like emergency 86. Yeah. I heard it in

person. It's very loud. Yeah. Oh really? Yeah. Really? Pretty good. Yeah. He was pretty excited about that. Cause he was like, I just feel like that if, you know, if I'm running in the middle of a forest and I trip and like break my leg. It's a good peace of mind. It's a good peace of mind thing. Sure. So he was extremely stoked about this thing. He was going on. I think we talked to him for like 45 minutes.

But it had one thing that I love that pinging SOS. If it's a like a fire station station whatever area they can be like this this person needs help like they can they can tell that this is like a uh i need help kind of noise he was just he was so hands have you ever used a compass me like really used a compass um i haven't on unlike long hikes there are there are moments where you know a general direction you're going is supposed to be one way so when you come to like a trail that's not marked very well like it could be beneficial to think like i know in general i'm supposed to be heading north this trail that looks like it's heading east is probably wrong and i just like the extra

like knowledge of that just like makes you feel a little better knowing you're probably going in the correct direction got it i'm exposing how little trail hiking i think it's like when you go a little deeper into the wilderness and like things are 10 plus miles it it helps okay i'm not really an outdoorsy person but my watch has a compass built in and i use it all the time when i'm getting off the subway in manhattan oh and i know i need to walk north from this stop that's really so as i'm going up the stairs i can be like that's north that's actually that's probably going to be the number one use new york city for me completely like uptown downtown sometimes you have to walk like half a block yeah because the gps is so bad in cities like walk one block north and you're like okay well what is that you

just check your watch the double 360 to get your iphone compass you pick the wrong way every time it's like us yeah you immediately walk the wrong way yeah okay well it sounds like we should talk about the last one which is hiking yes for hiking, we talked to someone named Guillermo, and he hikes in Mexico all the time. He does like really intense mountaineering throughout different mountains in Mexico. Well, my name is Guillermo.

I'm based in Mexico City. Professionally, I'm an environmental engineer, so I work on environment-related stuff. And as a hobby hobby i love mountain hiking so i've been doing that for almost three years now uh it started as a hobby kind of like a pandemic hobby i guess uh early in the pandemic when everything was closed and uh yeah i started going out on the mountains and it has gotten pretty serious in the past year generally he does like single day hikes but he has done multi-day hikes as well um and he was pretty amped on it as well specifically

like for a lot of the same reasons as as the the running stuff specifically like trail running kind of stuff waypoints super excited about the waypoints also the fact that you can track yeah that you route and add set points to it, that's really useful in case you're doing hiking someplace you don't know. The backtracking back to your spot, really, really, really useful. The same 86 decibel thing, you're a lot more likely to get potentially very injured,

like going on a mountain. So that's super important especially since there can be multiple trails and so if someone's not on your specific trail but they're on a different trail they can still hear your emergency thing going off this alarm or siren that goes off or that you can just click a button and have the alarm sound for uh and it can be heard around 200 meters from where you are that's's really interesting. Same battery life thing. It's like, yeah, if I, if I'm doing a day and a half hike or a two day hike, I can actually, this will actually last.

Within the mountain hiking people. You don't see a lot of Apple watch, uh, on the mountain because battery life just sucks. I was really excited about bump in battery life, 36 hours. I think it's more than enough for, you know, not professional, but kind of people that are more into mountain hiking and that, you know, tend to be in the mountain for a whole day. I guess that 36 hours will be enough.

Is there a previous like type of watch that someone doing these hikes was most likely to use? It seems like Garmin kind of wins the running and the hiking and apparently also the scuba diving category right now. It's my smartwatch. It's a Garmin Forerunner 645. I bought it in late 2019, if I'm not mistaken. And it has been my best friend since for, you know, hiking and keeping track of everything. Garmin's quaking. Right. When we did that episode last week or the week before, and we were like, is this the Garmin killer? I think Garmin's actually freaking out. Well, Garmin sort of stepped a little bit,

funny enough, down into smartwatches a year ago or earlier this year. And so I think that was a little bit of foresight of them going, when Apple steps up into a more sports-focused watch, that's going to take a bite out of foresight of them going you know when apple steps up into a more sports focused watch that's going to take a bite out of our watch stuff so we need to step in first so that was interesting to see uh yeah garmin's the name i definitely see the most in this stuff i don't think that you know they need to be completely afraid because again the apple only works with iphones and the rest of the world world, iPhones are not nearly as popular as they are in the US.

Massive point. So it actually might be to Apple's advantage at some point to allow some sort of linkage between an Android phone and an Apple Watch Ultra. Wasn't there a feature, maybe it was just the SE, wasn't there a thing where you could just get a new family member just a watch? Yeah, yeah.

And that was if you already have an iphone yeah it's for like kids i think that was the sc like cellular and it gave you like some basic i don't know if it's gonna go do waypoints and stuff yeah the calculus they need to do now is basically like are it is people wanting this watch going to also drive the sale of iPhones or is it the other way around? Because like I could like all of these people basically all

of these people told me the Apple Watch Ultra is going to replace my dedicated thing except for my super crazy dedicated thing for the like top 1% of what we do. So it sounds like they're going to sell a lot but again only to iPhone users. super crazy dedicated thing for the like top 1% of what we do. Right. So it sounds like they're going to sell a lot, but again, only to iPhone users, which is kind of a weird, kind of a weird calculus, right?

Yeah. Do you see Apple ever changing that? I don't really see them. Probably not. Yeah. Probably not. But AirPods also work with Android phones. So there's that.

I guess they're Bluetooth and that's more of a standard. That's the simplest version. But like as soon as you get into the watch level of complication, then you end up with like, it's more of a beacon to come over this side

of the wall in the walled garden. Like, oh, would you like to use this cool watch? Well, come over here where the iPhones live. Oh, would you like

to make FaceTime calls? Or here's like a little web version for Android, but like come over here. Yeah. It's nicer over here. Yeah. It's nicer over here.

Yeah. So. But internationally it could be kind of hard for Apple to like move people over to an iPhone just to be able to get the $800 watch. Right. You know? So it could be a thing to think about. Do you guys have any questions about any of the specific sports?

Well, I'm just fascinated. I know that they showed a lot of sports in the presentation they had the iron man which is like there's biking in there swimming running obviously trail running hiking climbing diving all this stuff um so as someone who only does a small fraction of that it's it's cool to see that this is actually pretty promising i went on youtube channels of like each of these different extreme sports like the biggest people that do each of these sports and pretty much all of them have a video about the watch ultra which that seems like the perfect enthusiast recreational group yeah

seems like it's uh and i think that garmin and and sunto need to actually start getting nervous so they're definitely thinking about it. They're thinking about the Apple Watch. Yeah. Sick. All right. Well, definitely stay tuned. I do plan on eventually reviewing the Apple Watch Ultra.

And, of course, I'll go through practice with it. I'll try to get it muddy and see what happens. But until then, that's it for this episode. That's it for this week. That's it for this week. That's it for this episode. Well, we do have one more trivia thing to do. No, we have answers. They're whiteboards.

Whiteboards? Are we finally revealing? Spoiler. Are we going to reveal the whiteboards yet? Yeah, we are. Take them out, everybody. Here we go. I think that one's mine.

Is it yours? Now, introducing the new waveform media podcast whiteboards made by our friends at d brand these are the hottest non-products of the fall you can't buy them but you can stare at them beautifully on our video podcast now introducing a new level of fairness into waveform trivia for now and forever. That was... The timing on that was impeccable. Ah, thank you.

That was the best promo for... I was waiting so long to hear the full version of that song. Yeah. That was good. Only for special moments. I have the beta-tested whiteboard that doesn't have the waveform thing on top. We should really get four of these. Wow, this is good.

Look at this. Hold on. I'm going to write a word. See that? So you can like read what I wrote and then. Wow, it works. Literally everything is dbranded. The pens, the erasers.

This is kind of next level. Okay, I'm ready for the. So we'll get to write our answer. Here's how we're going to do it. I'm going to reread the question. All of you are going to write your answer on the white board okay and then uh one by one you're gonna flip your boards around and uh read the answer you wrote aloud also make sure when you flip do not flip like this flip like this right side up okay is there a time limit to how long i have to write uh 15 seconds or something sure yeah okay

rough 15 you know we'll play with it all right let's do uh the softball one first so before ford intervened what word was the tesla lineup supposed to spell out david why don't you uh flip it around first right at the camera for the audio listeners what does that say can the camera even see this I don't know if it can see it you gotta write bold letters that's out of focus if you hold it too far forward

that's true but yeah we can crop in on you what does it say sexy correct Andrew another sexy sexy Sexy. Correct. Wonderful. Andrew? Another sexy.

Sexy, yeah. There's my answer right there. Sexy. I wouldn't even point it at the story. I feel like my confusion was the Ford interrupting it. So Ford has a patent on the Model E. Model E. From Mach-E. Oh, okay. So they couldn on model E. Model E. Oh, okay. So they couldn't use E, so they did 3

instead. But the model 3 was supposed to be called the model E. I did not know that. Wait, really? Why isn't it? Because Ford sued them. Yeah, you can't use... Oh, sorry, ignore that. I thought you meant the Mach-E, not the Model 3.

But wait, now there's Cybertruck and Roadster, so now it's S3XY Roadster. They ruined it. Cybertruck, semi-truck, RCS. Sexy RCS. Sexy RCS. Sexy RCS. Oh, my God.

Now you know. Now you know. The real plan for. Oh my God. Now you know. Now you know. The real plan for Elon this whole time. Elon loves Google. Bring RCS back. Amazing. Elon loves Google. All right.

All right. Question number two. In June of 2021, Apple began offering the ability to stream lossless audio on Apple Music. Which model of AirPods are able to play Apple Music lossless audio? Okay, I've written my answer. All right. Marques, you want to flip around first this time?

Sure. Here's my answer. AirPods 2. AirPods 2. Oh, that's the wrong number there. Andrew, you want to give it a shot? I have AirPods Max with wire. Dang.

David, you want to? That's so annoying. If I don't have that answer, do I lose? Still got to flip it around. AirPods 3. Wow. All right. Maybe.

We'll never know. We'll come back to that later. This one was supposed to be a trick question because the answer is actually none of them. Because lossless audio over Bluetooth is a thing that only Qualcomm chips can do. But Andrew came through.

With the wire, AirPods Pro Max can in fact do... Are they not Pro Max? No, they're just Max. Is it just... is it any service? Yeah, it's any service. Anytime you're using wireless headphones, you are listening to lossy audio. I just want to note, though, that to do lossless with the wire with the AirPods Max, you have to do a lightning to USB-C.

And then either USB-C into the computer or USB-C to headphone jack adapter. Don't they come with a lightning to headphone jack? No lightning to lightning. Does it come with that cable? You're right, your iPhone doesn't. Wait, they come with a lightning to headphone jack adapter? Because the iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack. Yeah, but the iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack. This is so dumb.

Yeah, so the headphones are lightning and the phone is lightning, but there is no lightning to lightning. Yeah, but you can listen to AirPods Max on things other than an iPhone. But you can't use Apple Music. You can only use Apple Music on a Mac or a... Yeah, on a Mac. Oh, on a Mac. Oh, on a Mac. Either way, Andrew still beat my trick question.

Why wouldn't they do lightning to lightning so that you could directly connect to your... Yeah. They hate us. I guess they just really don't want people to plug in. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. Which is funny because we were plugged in at Apple Campus

for the podcast with RedBuddy. It was like a super long cable. I didn't see the iRenew. With the iRenew. Like a super long cable. I didn't see the other end. There was a connector behind it, yeah. Wow. I almost pulled it out. Don't see that happen. Well, the more you know.

Well, that was fun. We got our points. I'm falling behind now. Dang, Andrew. Yeah, final score. Marquez, seven. David, four. Andrew, nine. Am I four because I just haven't been on enough shows? Marquez 7 David 4 Andrew 9

Am I 4 because I just haven't been on enough shows? What? Like did we balance my No these are unbalanced scores We don't have your percentage We don't have your make percentage But you have your total makes So 4 is pretty good

Anyway Well that was I'm glad we did the white Anyway. Bummer. Well, that has been, I'm glad we did the whiteboard thing. Shout out to the comments that suggested this as a way to actually. Oh yeah. Yeah. Uh, YouTube username burn.

Yeah. This was your idea. You had this idea in late May, so it took us a while, but here we are. I hope that you're watching again. We did it. Apple style.

We took a minute and we properly executed on the idea. And thank you for, uh, to D brand you to dbrand for executing on the idea. For everything. Yeah. Appreciate y'all. And thank you to Tim for making the design. Oh, yeah. And Tim for designing it.

Tim helped design it. These are beautiful. Yeah. Thanks. I can't wait for more trivia questions. We should do just a trivia episode where we just rack up the points. Oh, my God. That'd be fun.

Yeah. I have a plan for that already. We've done that before, right? Okay, perfect. Well, until the next one, thanks for watching. And thanks for listening to this episode. It's still tech timbers. There's a lot more around the corner and a lot more to get into in the tech world. It's a good time to be a nerd. Catch you in the next one. Peace waveforms produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We are partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro outro music was created by vane still you