Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - iPhone 17 Reactions Live From Apple Park!

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

It's bonus episode time! We went outside right after the iPhone announcement event to get first reactions from people walking by. Thanks to everyone who stopped by to chat! Let us know if you like this new format and we might bring it back for future events. Enjoy! Thanks to everyone who spoke with us! Follow their work below: Chris Niccolls and PetaPixel Mobile Syrup - Brad Bennett Verge - Allison Johnson Brett Tech Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Bringing you face-to-face with current players and legends and getting in the stuff that really shapes this game. You can listen to Not Just Football with Cam Hayward on YouTube, Spotify, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. It's game time. Let's go. Yo, you're not going to believe this. We were just like hanging out here doing a podcast and some guy just walked in and some guy just appeared and I feel like I feel like oh look who Marquez not at all pull up a chair What is up people of the internet this? No, I already f*** it up. I don't have this awesome

What is up people of the internet? Welcome to another episode another bonus episode of the Ellis Form Andrew cast. Marquez and David are not here. They are inside Apple Park at the event, but we, who are not given passes, are at the visitor center. Outside. Outside. The visitor center.

We just finished watching the new September 9th odd-dropping event in our hotel room, and we skirted here to do a cool little outdoor podcast where we could see what the good journalists of Cupertino think about all this new Apple stuff. Or just random people Or just know if they want to join. Random people walking by Who want to jump on? Welcome to the very first waveform man on the street.

This will be fun because just like our first live event ever, we don't know if anyone will actually stop by and say anything to us. It could just be us for the next hour. We told no one we were going to do this. So we are just sitting here hoping we catch a few eyes of people that we know or maybe someone who knows the podcast. We also don't know if we're going to get kicked out. Yeah, we don't know anything.

So every minute of this episode is boiling with tension. We don't even know if it's not. going to rain. It did drizzle before, which would be a big damper. Not ideal. But yeah. Dude, look, that guy is orange on. He's dressed like the iPhone. That's hilarious. Yeah, do you want to come on? Yeah, yeah. Do you want to be on the podcast? Perfect. Yeah, that would be awesome. Dude, please. What's up? Just hold that and we have a couple questions. Did you watch the event today? Yeah, I saw it. You saw the event? Cool. All right, welcome. First guest. This is awesome. This took like one minute and we thought we were going to sit here

for like half an hour with no one. What's your name? Thank you. I'm Kavi. Kavi. Nice to meet you. Yeah. Do you work around here?

You're just around here. I got to San Jose State. Awesome. Sweet. What are you studying? Aviation. Aviation. Sweet.

That's awesome. Very cool. Cool. So you watched the event, right? Yeah, I saw it. You did? Was there anything that stood out to you that was like you're super excited to maybe grab or?

I'm just going to get the new AirPods because I lost my previous ones in Santa Cruz like six months ago. It felt like a good. for what it was. Ellis is obviously the audio person. Yeah. I'm excited. I think the foam and the tips is going to be cool. I think so too. I think that's going to make a big difference. I don't know. What is it just literally you want new AirPods and these are right? I mean, I probably wouldn't upgrade if I still had the previous ones. I just lost those. Are you, do you see yourself using the heart rate feature? I mean, I have this watch. That's a really good. Yeah, it felt like something that like for people

who don't use a watch, but then they immediately are trying to sell you the watch. If anything, I feel like if there's an option, I'd turn it off just to save battery. For sure. I feel like that's what half the features in most of these events are, like battery killers. Yeah, actually. All right, but the, I think we've got to talk about the real meat

of this show. Yeah. Which is the iPhone Air, in my opinion. What phone are you using right now? Oh, yeah, we should start there. I have a 16 Pro. And you're not interested in upgrading based on anything that happened. Was there anything that called? What do you think about the new

design? the new design language. I think it's funny that they're going back to aluminum. Okay. Yeah, right. Yeah. What do you think about the like the big plateau that they called it or kind of the like mat finish back like it, dislike it?

I like it. I mean, I don't have much of an opinion on it, honestly. That's fair. That's a lot of tech journalists will try and find an opinion. We'll have to find an opinion or else no one will listen to us and then. I think I like the new plateau. I think I'm pro. I think I'm pro.

Platte pro. Platte Pro Max. I think I'm into it. I like it. I think the orange, what about the orange color? I don't like the orange. You don't like the orange. If I were to get it, I'd get like the white or silver one.

White or silver. Are you just not an orange fan, or you just don't think they did a good job on the orange? I don't know. It just looks kind of strange to me. Okay. Cool. That's totally fair. I think people will either love it or stay as far away from it as possible.

I like it because, you know, Adam and I are really into dive watches. And it's like the exact orange that a lot of dive watch. have some of their, like, pieces in. And so I was like, ah, but that's, that's kind of, that's kind of the only thing it really draws me to that, uh, that phone. I don't know. Have you always been an iPhone user? Uh, no, I was on Google pixels until the 14. Okay. So I was going to ask you, because I feel like a lot of people we're going to see

are going to be lifelong iPhone users. So if you were to switch back to an Android right now, what did you switch to? Uh, probably not. Just all my busy, good answer. Well, I mean, the main reason I switch is I'm a lot. You know, my friends use it, everyone uses it. Yep. And honestly, like, I'm into tech, but this is just simple. Like, in high school, they take away our phones and, like, put it in the phone cubbies, but we can use, like, the phone mirroring on the Mac.

So we just use that. Are you serious? That's awesome. That's the craziest. I have to tell Marquez that, because last episode he was talking about, like, people having burner phones, but it sounds like you found a way cheaper, easier way of doing it anyways. Of course, we are, like, not as smart as high schoolers. Like, that is always how it goes.

That's insane. The screen mirror. That's really funny. They have to put them in, like, Faraday cages or something. Like, stop that, like. That's really funny. Yeah.

Thanks for stopping by. We'll let you go. Are you just hanging out around here? Yeah, I'm just hanging out. Cool. Got on a class and thought I'd show up. Awesome. Cool.

Sweet. Yeah. Thanks so much for joining. Yeah. Yeah, let me grab this and let me shake your hand. Thanks for stopping by. Yeah, of course. You were our very first guest.

I appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you so much. We're back. What's up? Ellis, you know who I am. And today, right now, back here at this moment, we are here with Chris Nichols. And I do know who you are now, Alice. Yeah, yeah. And I finally meet you. And Andrew, great to meet you. You work at for people who don't know you. Petapixel. Sweet. All right. I love Petapixel. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I hear good things about you guys. Of course, David Mel. He's been on our podcast. We've been with him.

Oh, yeah. Look who arrived. David, David. It's good to know he's talking good about us and not trash about. us when we're not around. I've heard you. Okay, okay. I don't know. You've heard lots of other things. Yeah, yeah. My personal experience we shouldn't get into right on this recording.

But since you're working at Panda Pixel, you are the perfect person to ask about this new selfie camera. Right. Which I was like, in the hotel room when we were watching, I was like, that's dope. And these two boys were like, Pixel already had that. Yeah, like straight up. Like, as a photographer, the only thing that really appeals to me is the new 4X lens. You know, like, cool.

Bigger sensor, great. But video features. feature-wise, I do some cool stuff here. So selfie-cam, the fact that it's shooting square format. Yeah. But actually not giving you square photos. So I'm mad. But for me, I wouldn't use this feature,

but I could see so many creators using this selfie camera where you have this sort of open gate kind of thing. It can do vertical orientation, a horizontal orientation, and you can keep the phone vertical the whole time. Reframe on your face, follow as you move around. If somebody else comes in the frame, it widens for them. Like, that's neat. I'm really so.

What's cool about that? the widening, but the like center stage aspect of it to be able to, like, crop in on you better will be super beneficial for people who are terrible framing and TikTok and stuff. They're going to love this. And the stabilization, like when he was running, looked really good. And iPhone stabilization is fantastic. I'm excited because as someone with a long arms who's sort of built like a stick figure, I'm always the person who's like, Ellis, will you hold the phone for the selfie? No more, baby. Jeez. Yeah. I know. I think that's a really smart feature, or anything to make it more convenient.

But for those of us that are maybe a bit more advanced, want to do some other stuff, the other thing that really intrigue me is that you can record ProResRaw. And external, but you can record ProResRaw, and that does proper open gate. So as far as all the gates are open, the iPhone 17 Pro is just opening all the gates all over the place.

That is really, really exciting. I mean, you know, it's really funny. I just watched this YouTube video of this dude. Was it Petipixel? No, sorry. But it was someone comparing all the different international versions of the first Harry Potter movie, which they also shot. It's a film, so it's open mat. Right. But I had no idea. They did that specifically so that when they printed a VHS copy

in 4x3, they didn't have to crop the widescreen. They could just extend the top of it. And you'd have like a more vertical frame. And I wonder if we're about to see 4x3 video come back. Yeah. We can cut it. It won't. But I want it to. It's a cool. But I want it to. It's a cool option to have, whether you're advanced or beginner on the spawn system. Yeah. For sure. What do you have right now? iPhone 16 Pro Max.

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And has it ever overheated on you? So that's an interesting thing. Not for me, but I mean, I'm primarily shooting photos with it, right? I'm not doing a lot of video other than family stuff. But I know Jordan, my compatriot on Petapixel, and Tyler Stallman, was just on the podcast here at Apple Park.

Yeah. With us, they both had issues like that. Yeah, screen dimming, like really brutal stuff. So... Yeah, we've heard a lot of screen dimming. Is this going to be better? We're all hoping. new vapor chamber, all aluminum unibody construction's new.

So, yeah, I mean, it promises good things. The processor is hopefully less energy dependent as well. That's one thing we're hoping about. We keep saying how we wish we could have just shot this on an iPhone, but it would cook out here and definitely overheat and we would lose it. And we shoot a lot of car stuff for autofocus on an iPhone that overheats all the time. It didn't feel like they didn't say anything in the event about the vapor chamber helping. I guess they probably don't want to admit that it's.

They went more into what a vapor chamber is this year, I think. But, you know, I mean, I love Apple. It's like every single year. It's just everything's two times better, right? Here's a graph. Yeah, two times. Two X. So, yes, I'm, let's just assume it's two times better.

I don't know if that's true or not. What you were saying earlier is that Apple did not want to admit that their prior pro-res, like, ultra-high. Overheating. Yeah. And, uh. It is interesting in telling that they went back to an aluminum body as opposed to titanium. So that might be part of it, too, just to give more metal to, absorb heat and transfer it out. I wonder. I also wonder if now that they're doing the unibody

construction, if it's just easier to work with aluminum like that than it is. I know nothing about any of that. Lots of, lots of questions, lots of stuff to answer. Yeah, why are they inviting like alchemists and metallurgists to this so we can interview them? It's all CNC guys. I don't know what that's weird. Yeah. Man, okay, before we let you go, you know, to whatever briefings, whatever you have to do here, Marquez actually just messaged me on Slack asking how the pot is going or how the pot went. So as somebody who's been here for three minutes, how do you think it's going? Like just you, you and I. You're part of this, man. It's the first time we've ever tried something like this. I think it's going great. I mean, I don't know, like

you're carrying it pretty hard, but yeah. I wanted you to say it Andrew. I don't want to say it, but yes. No, it's been super fun. And you guys always really do good stuff. So I appreciate you. I appreciate you having it on here. Yeah, thank you. Dude, thank you so much for being here. No problem. Thanks for joining us. Yeah. Yeah. Where can we find your your work. Well, petapixel.com, I mean, that's the best place. And then on YouTube, I mean, Petapixel, hopefully you recognize my face, you know, you know already that we're doing out. Now, all the waveform people will. And of course, our video is going to be up here shortly, so have a look up for that. Our, this will not, so. This will be way too late.

It's pretty cool that an event is big enough that people are just like outside wandering around. They're probably still in briefings, honestly. They're probably, well, hands-on is probably ending around now and then briefings are going to start so it's like for those of you who aren't aware like we're outside of the cafe which is kind of sectioned off during these events for journalists. I was like that's where all the journalists are because they can get coffee. No, but they can see us from here. So hopefully someone will notice. I can see them too and I don't see too many people that I notice yet. Yeah, that's fair. But so what's happening most, sorry. What's happening most likely right now is you get a set of three or four briefings throughout the

day. The hands-on experience is probably ending. It's probably a 10-ish minute walk. And then, like, some people will start their briefings. Some people come back here, grab a bite to eat. That's hopefully when we catch them. Can we do, like, for people who maybe are new to the channel, new to tech, like how this day, how iPhone day actually works? Sure. Like chronologically.

I can do, like, the quickest rundown possible. Yeah. We obviously come out here, Apple Park. I think what's interesting about this is we're at the cafe, which is still public because it's a public store, but they section off that one. Anyway, you get dropped off at the Visitor's Center. If you have a badge, you go through right across the street is one of the entrances. And there, depending on if you're at Dubdub or the iPhone event, you go to Steve Jobs Theater or wherever the temporary stages.

Yeah. And then walk up there a little early at around 10 o'clock. You go into the event, goes on for whatever. And it's like a big open auditorium with nothing in there. And so what happens is you go, you walk downstairs, then into the theater. and by the time you leave the theater all of the new products are set up and that's when you have your chance

for like to see and shoot a bunch of not even hands on it's like it's it's it's because you basically can't get a hands on because there's too many people it's like fighting for your lives it is the first time you see the actual products with your eyes so they'll see that and then that will wrap up in an hour an hour and a half and then you get your briefings

one of those briefings for some people is a more private hands-on in the same spot, which is where we get most of our good hands-on stuff for impressions. And what do you say briefings? What do you mean exactly? It's time slots where people from the Apple team can explain different features or products better so that people who are reviewing things have a better idea of what things are for their videos that they'll make.

And people are already going to start crunching right now. Like everybody who is at that event is now in a time where they can release footage from this event and talk about it. So like some people are probably going to start shooting next to us. Some people are going to start writing like Marquez and he'll shoot A roll after all his briefings tonight. But that's kind of what today is. And some people might even have some briefings tomorrow. And you and I have had a lot of silly moments in and around this place over the years at this point.

This might be one of the silliest sitting out here with a podcast mic on a bench. I've already watched two people saying no to Eric when he invited them on this. So that one hurt a little bit. We're not cool enough. If we're here, dude, there'd be a line out the door. No, I still think we're a little early still. I'm actually pumped. We already got those two people.

Yeah, me too. Or two groups. Yeah, we weren't even expecting to be recording the real podcast episode already. We were like, let's do an intro. And then people just are like, hey. Yeah. Try to think of some fun stories about us. Most of our stories involve food.

Ellis and I like to absolutely destroy diets. Yeah. So far today, it is 1243 p.m. I have had a hot dog. I have had crab. I've had curry. And all of them in a pastry. Yeah.

And my stomach is, if anyone's ever played like any of the Wario Ware games, that's like, that's like sort of the vibe in there right now. That's pretty awesome. We were talking to Eric. So Eric is working on a super secret project right now. I can't talk about it at the moment. But it involves going, he's telling me I can, but I won't. But he's going through a bunch of old footage. and in it he found this really touching moment between Adam and I.

Andrew and I. Me. He found this really touching moment between Andrew and I where it was after a super crazy shoot day. I think we taped the podcast. Yeah. And well, you see David? He's right there.

That's what I said? There's David. David's getting coffee, completely ignoring us. Wow. It was after all day of shooting normal stuff and then the next day of briefings and stuff and then we had the podcast episode, we recorded pretty late. It was one of those workshoots where, like, we were just cooked and exhausted afterwards.

But after we finished our last taping, they were driving us on golf carts back to the entrance. And it was just one of those, you know, it's like, it's a beautiful California night in September. The temper is perfect. The stars are not really out in California. And we're driving through this golf cart through beautiful Apple Park and the guy's whizzing. And, wow, second time. And Andrew and I just had this sort of like, rent free, baby. Rent free.

I guess now we have to leave that in. Andrew and I just had this moment where it was like, dude, our lives, we're so lucky, man. Like, this is so cool. And we recorded this, like, sweet outro for the travel vlog video we were doing to the point where, like, the golf cart zipping down. We're, like, making jokes with a driver who was awesome. We're like, this was our event. And we're just like, we paused the camera. We're like, we nailed that.

That was, like, perfect. This video is going to cook. Absolute prime. And then we get back to the hotel and listen to it. And it's just, whosh, the wind. Did you forget to turn on the mic or it was just too. No, the mic was on. And there was a windscreen, but it was just so windy that it was just like,

and it was like those bump parts are like, you're facing backwards out the back. So there's almost no coverage to like protect from the wind. Oh my God. That's so funny. Yeah, I really wish we had that because it was probably, it would have been one of the best scenes in the, studio. Yeah, it was. It was a touching moment. It was, it was, it was one of those things

where it was like, we nailed everything. We nailed the take. We nailed the shot. We nailed the store. And then just like, wow. Things happen. Tough. Welcome to the waveform podcast. Thank you for having. We're back. Can you please give everyone your name? Yeah, I'm Martine. Martine. Nice to meet you. Now, before we talk Apple, you're wearing a bunch of Nike tennis stuff, and we have to ask, Sinner or Al-Karaz? Oh, that's a good question. Honestly, I'm still with the big three.

Really? Joko Nadal and Roger. I love that answer. Rather than Al-Qa-Ras and Sinner, yeah. I'm a big sinner person. I have so much fun watching and play tennis. I think the only other person that would have an opinion is out of me. Is that the one with Michael B. Jordan?

All right. So did you watch the event? the iPhone event. The iPhone? I watched part of it. Okay. What part? I was driving while watching, actually. Driving while listening, yeah, while listening. What part did you catch? I watched the iPhone Air. Okay. Yeah. That part and a little bit of the pro one. I'm pretty stoked on the iPhone Air. I'm actually glad that this is what we were able to talk about because there have been a surprising lack of iPhone Air conversation so far out here. There will be plenty of it. Yeah. Yeah.

Here's my first question. At any point in your life, what phone do you have right now? 14 Pro. Okay, sweet. So at any point in your life, have you overlooked at your 14 Pro and thought, man, I wish this was thinner? Honestly, no. Right. Do you use a case on your phone?

Yeah. I still think, which kind of takes away from the beauty of all these thin phones, is the biggest benefit of it is being able to put a case on and feeling thin. Like, it's going to hopefully feel like a regular phone with no case. And now if that's good enough for you to potentially have a way worse battery life, which we'll see. Special cases that were super thin. Yeah, but then is that really protecting your phone? Uh-huh. I'll skeptical about that.

Oh, they're doing the bumper for the iPhone air this time. The bumper? The bumper case, where it's just a case around the outside of the phone. Oh, my God. But the chrome rails are like my favorite part of that design. And that's how cool. If you want to scratch the hell out of your chrome rails, then don't wear the case on. I will happily.

I don't know. See, that's the thing. It's like iPhone Air feels like something nobody asked for, and yet I want it so bad. I'm thinking the same thing. I was thinking of upgrading, and then I saw the renders and everything, and I was thinking like, oh, maybe it could look good, I don't know, but then I saw it now in the event and I was like, oh, I kind of like one. Do they have a thing with making stuff look really good on screen?

I know. So what do you think of the new design language of the pros, with the like big plateau and the kind of like matte finished two-tone on the back? It's kind of cool. I thought they will do more, like the plateau. But honestly, I'm not a big fan of the Orange. No, okay. I'm a big fan of the Orange.

That's fine, that's fine. We are. We are crushing it. Two of us are. No, a lot of our team is not a fan of the Orange. It feels like, but Ellis and I are Team Orange. Yeah, we're both Team Orange. I really like the vapor chamber.

You do? Yes. Do you have anything specific you're excited to use it for, or just overall efficiency? Overall, because I take videos and photographs, and a lot of times the screen dims, and that is the part I don't like. That's actually a really interesting part. It's annoying. Our guy at the studio who films a lot of our car stuff, I think he's excited for it because how often they're shooting on iPhone, on video, and it's overheating. So, like, if that's actually, it sounds like between the vapor chamber and, like, the full one-piece body that's supposed to help dissipate heat, hopefully it won't overheat as much.

We would probably be shooting on iPhone right now if we didn't think it would cook and overheat. I've been making fun of the Vapor Chamber. Like, I'm like, who really games on their iPhone? Forgetting that we had an entire meeting because we couldn't shoot this, this exact podcast on iPhone because we already would overheat. Oh, well. So, Want-Want, I guess Ellis Zero, Ellis 2. Okay. I think it's cooler than we thought.

I don't know if it was cool enough for the Apple invite thing. Like the invite tease always is supposed to be this huge thing. and I think vapor chamber is like, yeah, okay. Like, okay, yeah. Exactly. I still can't believe that I've been talking all week about how an iPhone would overheat, and then I was like, but the vapor chamber is stupid.

I actually don't know where the disconnect. Thank you for bringing him to his senses on you. I need someone like that. Yeah, Martine really is cast up a notch everywhere. I got you, I got you. Thank you. Oh, my God. Are you a professional videographer, photographer?

Is that just for a hobby? No, I just like to take videos and pictures of a lot of things that I do. Like, in tennis, I used to take a lot of videos of myself playing against my teammates in college. And, like, the phone was, like, heating like crazy. Every time, and, like, you need to put it, like, on the fence, so it stays there and you have a better angle. And when you try to look at the screen, you cannot see anything. Because we played throughout the day, like, I was at Fresno, Pacific,

and it was like, well, in Celsius, it's like 40 degrees over there. So it's pretty hot. So the screen is just black, and I cannot see anything. Wow. This is like the best. Faking in the sun, yeah. This is the best real-world use case I've heard for this thing all this whole time. By the way, 40 degrees Celsius is 104.

Thank you. No, no, no worries. That's our fault. Like the heat radiating off at tennisport. Yeah, with like no shade or anything. It would be even crazier. Martin, have you ever had an Android phone? I have in the...

You don't sound too excited about it. S-8? I think S-8 was, like, peak Samsung. I agree. Yeah. If you had to go back right now, what would you go to? If I will go back, it would be the fold. The Samsung fold? Yeah. But it's expensive. This is so interesting.

Everyone who's an iPhone user, we've asked, when we say if you go to an Android phone, They all want the fold. They all want a folding phone, which when Apple does one, is it going to actually go crazy? It's going to go. I don't want to hype it up too much, but I just feel like there's, yes, there's so many people, I feel like there's, here we're doing great, sweetie. There's two different kinds of iPad users, right? There's people who buy iPads because they want to sit on their couch and watch a movie.

And there's people that buy iPads because they have some idea of some really, like, practical thing they could do with it. Like flying a plane. And sure, exactly. And I think I've found as a pretty hardcore iPad user that the form factor actually gets in the way of a lot of stuff. It's not particularly portable, like truly portable. It doesn't, you still need a backpack. And at that point, it's like, why would I not just bring a laptop?

And that is what the iPhone fold is for. All right. Well, the iPhone Fold Generation 4 will probably be perfect for you. Yeah, when I'm like 35 years old. What's so bad about 39? I'm not that far away. from that all right welcome back we have another interview right here for you this time someone we actually know hi from this world this is brad hello i'm brad bened i'm canadian i work

a canadian tech blog called mobile syrup what is up mobile syrup i forget how much i love that until i hear you say it's a great great great name yeah brad we don't really know each other but i see you here yeah we know one time we had a drink one time a few years ago with uh yeah new york That's someone I remember, well, I was going to say I see every time I come, but I haven't gotten an event badge. We were in the, like, risers at one point. We've been in the risers before, yeah, and I always see you around, like, at the cafe here and stuff. Well, I'm glad you guys remember me. I'm happy to be here. And this is part of the joy of doing these events is, like, you see industry folk that you sometimes only see through these sort of things.

But it's always a good time. Right, we wanted to talk about ceramic shield. Yeah, I love ceramic shield. Really, I didn't know anyone had strong opinions about ceramics. Shield at all? Well, I'm doing this mostly for my fiance who just destroys phone screens every year. Just scratched really bad. She's not going to be happy being on blast like this, but those screens look tough. And so last year, they made a big deal about ceramic shielding the iPhone 16s being a lot better. And then throughout the year, you know, it didn't seem like that

much better in my testing throughout the year. This year, they were like, well, we now have ceramic shield too? And to me, I was like, wait, have we not had many generations of ceramic Shield so far. But one of the guys on the floor was telling me today that previously, it was just called Next Generation Ceramic Shield. It's one of those classic Apple. That is the most Apple thing possible. And then this year, I think it's three X scratch resistance as opposed to the previous one. So they thought that that was a big enough jump to finally add the number two to the end. So that's what I learned about Ceramic Shield. When you have your second kid, don't call it your second kid. Just say it's your next generation.

The next generation. It's Lane Next Generation. If you have a third kid that you really like, that I could actually be... That's lame too. What did you think, or first I want to ask, we see her all the time. Do you know what number Apple event this is for you? This I think, so I started coming in,

just as we sort of tailing out of COVID and travel and starting to get back up for these things. So my first Apple event was WWDC M2 MacBook Air. Okay. Maybe three years ago. Okay, that sounds about it. So then you're out like sixth event probably? Yeah, two a year.

Yeah, two here. And then sometimes they have some. Similar events, sometimes in Toronto, they'll do little things, like if it's an iPad or what not. But yeah, this is my, and this is my second Apple event as a full-arm reporter. My very first one, I was just the camera guy for our website. Because I do a little bit of cool. Because I remember you had the craziest camera rig the last time I saw you here. Maybe.

Oh, with the big gimbal with like the arm-bin thing. And then you also had the peak design backpack holster things. You were like, I was like, this is camera Batman over here. Canadian camera Batman. The only time I used that clip, I bought it, thinking I would use it all the time. The only time I ever used it is here because I'm just like, I have to hold the phone, I've got to put my camera somewhere. They don't let you put your cameras on the tables, really, when you're in there.

It's really annoying the things you can't do in there. Marquez loses it because he's using, like, his huge red rig, and we can't bring sticks in there. They usually, we can't even bring the camera. We have to check it because it's in, like, a roller bag. Yeah, I can sit with it on his lap. I could see that. Yeah, they are tight with the security, all the metal detectors sometimes. They're super tight with it.

Was there anything that stood out in this one, too, or like the new iPhone design language? Definitely. I mean, the error I'm super excited about it. It just feels so good. when you pick it up and you hold it in your hand, it just feels like a pane of glass. You're the first person we're talking to that held it. Really? Well, it's really nice. The sides are glossy, so it kind of gives you that old 14 pro feeling or 13 pro feeling, but obviously it's titanium.

They're saying it's going to do like 26 hours of battery life with like streaming video or whatever that their metric is. And that's supposed to be as good as I think the 16 pro from last year. So this phone is actually stacking up to be a lot better than we had anticipated on paper. Once we get it into the, like, you know, the labs and we're testing things out, and Marquez and all you guys are using this. A lot more, we'll see how that holds up. But it just, I don't know, people, it doesn't seem to make sense, thinner phones, but when you hold it, it's just like there's this magic moment. I'm sure if you guys hold the edge this. I was going to say that the edge was this like, hey, that's pretty cool.

It came into the studio. All of us were like, oh my gosh. And then I was thinking the other day, I was like, where's our edge? Where, as anyone talked about it or held it? But as an iPhone, it's probably a bit more popular. I think more people will appreciate that. I agree. Yeah, and then just the last cherry on top

is I think liquid glass was kind of leading towards the air and just when you hold it, that glassy effect. With everything together. You know, I've been dreaming of the trifold thin phone from Westworld for years. We're getting there. We're going to step in the direction. Yeah, I actually, I've heard a few musings on the internet

about how the air was actually sort of like a stepping stone for the fold to just get into the quality. And like, as far as it had been, manufacturing us. Exactly. I've been thinking that same way in the thing. It's like they're making phones thinner to fold them. This is the stop app to just like, you know, the screen is not ready in the foldable.

It's not tough enough or whatever. Well, we can make them thin. People are going to like it. How does the plateau feel? Yes, the plateau. It's up high, so you don't really notice it. And this, apparently the A19 Pro chip is in the plateau. So I'm really excited to see if that really takes the heat away from my hand while I'm holding

it. Could be exciting. Yeah. Will it apply a lot of heat to the camera stuff that's right? beside it and will that be a negative? I don't know. It is wild that they like shoved everything in the plateau to basically, because they need every centimeter or millimeter there for battery. Yeah, which is, I wasn't expecting that. Actually, I will say for Canadian fans, if you're not reading mobile syrup, you should,

because we're covering you on this, but this is the first year. All the iPhones are ESIM only in Canada, it seems. We're finally getting on that train. So you get that extra battery? That little extra battery? I was like, I'm importing a phone if we don't get that. Like, I will take all the battery I can get. Is this like one of the first times we're going to have the two skews of like the and one's going to have a better battery life than it seems like yeah because they uh it seemed like in the old ones the the sim card chip the old one and the american models was just filled a little piece of plastic or something uh-huh and so now yeah it's like there's a big battery difference and i think actually that's what apple needed to kind of push people towards e-sim it's like there was never

really a big reason to that's a fair point care about it but it's like i'm going to get a little battery which i do care a lot because pixel just went all e-sim all of them not even just the u.s models so and they didn't tout anything about it or maybe they said knows. Yeah, I didn't watch that one as much. You know, Jimmy Fallon, I guess. Jimmy Fallon wasn't talking about it. You see. Jimmy Fallon got us a great title and great click-through rate on our podcast episode. So, you know, I'm pro Jimmy Fallon. Yeah, I probably won't bring in the click-through like, yeah. No, I think you will. While you're here, though, there is one thing from this event that I really want to talk about, which is... Of course you want to talk about it, Ellis.

Live translation. Oh, yeah. Which I don't know if, I don't know if you listen to the show, but I have been saying for over a year now that this is not going to come out anytime soon. It was worse than that. It was, what are your predictions for this year? And Ella said, there is zero chance live translation comes. And every single event since he said that has introduced live translation in some way.

And I was feeling like, wow, I really did not do a good job with that prediction. And this event changed my mind. Because I watched their live translation little thing and I was like, nope. I was like, this is not going to work. And not because the event made it seem like it didn't work. They didn't really demo it in real life at all.

But it just feels like one of those things that's like such a game changer in tech that why would they give it only five minutes of the event unless it just straight up doesn't work? Yeah, that's fair. That's a good point. Have you tested it? I have not. I did put the AirPods in.

They feel a little different in the ear. The noise canceling was good, but I didn't do the translation. I should have. I didn't think about it. I don't know if they probably would have. At this point, maybe if you have a briefing later, you'd be able to test it out. It felt weird, though, that they, like, talked about it for five minutes, sandwiched between, like, you know, foam in the ear tips and, like, a slightly different design or whatever. You can't not feel the foam in the ear tips.

You can't feel it? They feel the same to me. I don't know. Okay. And then also, it's the kind of thing where, like, part of this crazy rant was I pulled up a list of every single time a tech company has announced live translation since 2014. I was going to say, you've got to go back pretty far. It's dozens. Yeah.

And we still don't really have it. Well, the thing I kind of think is I just feel like it's like ultra, ultra niche, you know? Like I, my girlfriends from Mexico, she speaks Spanish, but we don't speak Spanish at home, unless, and if her parents are over, they'll speak English because in there. Sometimes they'll speak a little Spanish, but like, are we all going to sit there with AirPods in so we can communicate in this weird way? I don't, I don't think so. I guess, like, if you travel a lot, maybe. But I also think about in those instances, like, I'm wearing my AirPods, I woke up to you. And I'm like, we're going to do this thing.

You have no idea what I'm talking about, right? I'm like just putting a phone in your face and I'm like, where do I go for this thing and I'm in broken language or whatever? I don't know. It seems like a tough one. Helpful if it works, but... Yeah. Well, we'll see if I have to eat my hat on the orange one. I was like, every year the renders come out with crazy colors, there's no way we're seeing an orange pro. And they're just like, boom. What do you think of the orange? It's exciting. I think it's fun. I guess because they're doing the aluminum, it's found the time to slap on some crazy colors. But it's pretty, pretty bombastic compared to the pro iPhones of the past.

I personally was a huge fan of Desert Titanium last year. I just liked that Earth's tone element. So I'm a little sad to see that fade away, but it's exciting. And I think people online seem to be reacting pretty positively to it. I like it. Yeah, both of us love the orange. Our team is pretty split on it, I think. But I don't know.

I'm pro-wrench. And it matches the, like, the Watch Pro, like, or sorry, Watch Ultra accent button or maybe not totally match it. I don't think it actually, I don't know. I wish I would have brought my Watch Ultra to compare it. matches the crown. Yeah, that's a bit brighter, you're right. And it's probably like, you're not going to be having them close enough

that it's going to matter that much. But yeah, it'd be, I don't know, Apple does that strange sometimes. I mean, last year they had the blue air and the blue eye had air and they're both like ever so slightly different. And it was like, guys, come on, we used to match this stuff. This iPad Mini when I bought it, it's I accidentally bought purple and I didn't realize I bought purple for like weeks after. When I reread my receipt, I thought I had silver the end of time.

This is barely even purple. You're just always out at, like, dusk, and you're like, man. Yeah. Yeah. One time my girlfriend was, Ergus Fentzen, I was trying to sell her old MacBook Air M1. It was the gold one, and the dude showed up, and it was like, dusk, and it was looking really rose gold. And he was like, I'm not buying this pink laptop, and he left. We were like, this is gold, dude, I'm telling you.

And he was like, not a chance am I using this, and he left. That's awesome. My first iPhone was Rose Gold. I remember just feeling... Back in the day, it was Power Move. I remember feeling so cool. It was a Rose Gold 4S. Wow.

No, it was, I think five or five. I don't think they had a rogues gold fours. No, you're right. I'm lying about this. I had a rose gold five and or five S, and my fours was white. Cool. Was your forest your old? I am old.

What? Was the forest your first one? That was the first one. I had two Android phones before that, and the forest was my switch. And I remember it was right around the time they made the iOS update where everything was really thin, just like... A seven, I guess? I guess that was seven, yeah. And I just remember feeling like that's in your own phones right now.

Yeah. I remember feeling, do they have Ruka in Canada? It's spelled RVCA. It's like a surf brand. Oh, that's how you pronounce that? I've never heard that sound here. I thought it was RFCA. No, it's pronounced Ruka.

And to me, I just remember feeling like I had the Ruka phone. I don't know, those two aesthetic, the iOS 7. Maybe this is just me. Maybe we should never make another episode of Wayform podcast. One more question that has nothing to do with this Apple event. So Marquez recently has been having issues with his arc browser, and we're all separately trying to convince him to use a different browser. I was like, going out of, didn't they sail with that?

Oh my goodness, it's very confusing. They claim they're not sunsetting it, but we all know they're sunseting it. If you had to pitch him a browser of what he should use, what should be. Man, I mean, this is not a good option, but I've been like really iOS 26-pilled. So I've been using Safari on my Mac lately, and it looks great. Maybe it doesn't look bad. And I know you can do this on a lot of months, but you can set that, like, custom wallpaper on your launch. page and everything just looks cool and it all matches. And I'm like, you know, a browser is a

browser. If I need something crazy, it's not working, I'll just open up Chrome and I know it's going to work. But for 90% of the time, I just wanted to look nice. And I'm in so far, are you on that train? I'm on that train. Doesn't it feel nice to have RAM in your computer that's available? Yeah. And it feels like to, it feels nice to look pretty, you know? Like, I just pretty pretty. Why did I pay for all that RAM if I'm not going to use it? Do it. Nothing drives me more insane than when I open Chrome and I'm like, let's just open like activity monitor and see what's going on. And Chrome is just like, oh, you've got 64 gigabytes of RAM available. I'll just use all of it. You don't need it for anything else. These tabs are going to fly, but don't open

Photoshop. Don't open anything else. Bradd. Awesome. It's been a pleasure. Thank you guys for having me. It was really good to see you guys again. And a blast. Yes, go read Brad's writing and watch his videos. Yeah, I think it must be social videos on our Instagram for this one. Just a son of a downsizing on our end, but lots of stuff on the website. And I'll be excited to watch this episode. Is it mobile syrup.ca or mobile syrup.com? It's actually mobile syrup.com for whatever reason. That was before my time. I don't know how that happened.

I think if you type.orgia, it might redirect, but that might have gone away as we've kind of shoveled through different owners over the last whole years. But yeah, thank you guys so much. Thanks a lot. Happy iPhone day. Thank you.

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We have another new guest. What's your name? Hi, my name is Prathamish. Pratamish? Yep. It's great to meet you. Welcome to Wayform. Yeah, welcome to Wayform.

Thank you. We were hanging out over there when we were just talking with Brett, and you came on, you said you've been a long-time listener, right? Awesome, thank you. I haven't missed a single episode since 22. I might haven't missed a couple of videos

on the main channel, but not on Wayform. We'll make sure Marquez knows about that. I will tell him immediately. Thanks for the support. That's awesome. You're here in Cupertino, you watched the event previously? I didn't watch it in person. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But you saw it. We didn't watch it in person anymore. We didn't go inside. We're out here because we didn't get to go in and do it. I work here at AMD. Okay. So I just saw you guys this Instagram story. Really?

Let me just drive here. Awesome. It works. We got at least one person from it, which is a success. I wasn't sure you guys will be still here or not. So I just drove up quickly and you guys were still here. Awesome. Thanks for coming.

Yeah. Was there anything from the event that really stood out to? Are you an iPhone user? Yeah, I am. Okay. What are you on right now? 15 Pro Max. Okay.

Yeah. Are you looking to upgrade? Not for 17. I was looking if there was something interesting but didn't quite get sold out to that thing. Sure. I really like the air. Yeah. It's thin, but I'm someone who likes multiple cameras for like night photography.

So I don't think so how much beneficial it'll be for me from going to 15 Pro Max to the iPhone Air. I think that's fair. Oh yeah. Yeah. Probably not like an upgrade. Maybe I'll just wait for 18 then. Yeah. What did you think of the orange color?

I didn't like it. You didn't like it? No, I felt it. It was like cartoonish for me. Cartoonish? Yeah. Whoa. I haven't heard that yet.

I haven't heard that. I actually thought it felt a little, I'd go to the opposite. Like, not cartoony. It felt more like coppery kind of. I haven't seen it in person. Well, we've seen a picture. Yeah, we're saying everything. I've only seen pictures of it.

That's fair, yeah. Yeah. Well, he hasn't seen it in person either. We're all going off the same thing here. Isn't actually an orange iPhone. That would be crazy. We're all just getting pranked right now? I don't think so.

Where's Ashton Coucher? Yeah. Yeah, where is Ashton Coucher? Okay, so nothing about the phones are going to upgrade. Were you interested in anything from the new AirPods or the new Apple Watch? What Apple Watch are used? Yeah, I have the Series 8. It's quite old.

Yeah, I was looking for upgrade. This too, and I think Ultra 3 would be a good update for me. And the satellite feature is something which, I don't know how much it will be useful in, like, day-to-day life. But yeah, this is something good to have. And, yeah, like, I think Apple, even I like the Airports Pro 3 as well, they, I don't know, like, I haven't seen it in person, but they looked more elegant than I have the first-gen pro 2, the lightning ones. Okay. And I think that would be also another big upgrade for me. So, yeah, those are the two things.

I was thinking between the Series 11, the Watch 11 are the Ultra 3, but I think Ultra 3 looks great. And it looks more rugged. And the aura look, it's kind of same than from the ultras, but yeah. Uh-huh. Do you, what are your, how well do you think live translation is going to work? Oh, okay. Yes. Never thought of.

I, the only one time when I used live translation, that is using my meta classes. Okay. Yeah. And that was. Wait, those have live translation? Yeah, they do. Like, not exactly live translation. So there was like a text, and it translated me in English directly audio.

Oh, it was text. Okay. And then audio. Ellis is still right. Do you remember Ellis making the prediction that there will be no live translate? Yeah. And every single event has had it since.

Yeah, but no feat. You can't buy live translation yet. I'm still technically right. Maybe. Yeah, I don't know about that one. Yeah, it felt like they're not feel like they just kind of like put it between two random other new feature upgrade and kind of like glossed over it. And also the demo they showed, like, there's some kind of business meeting going on.

And, like, that felt so artificial. Like, nobody talks when there's, like, a delay of five second between what I say and what you say. Yeah. I feel I'll rather just, like, have a real interpreter and then talk if, rather than having some gimmicka feature. I agree. Yeah. How much latency until it's not live anymore, you know, let's, let's be real here. I think I'm going to, I think they're doing, they're doing the, like, the documentary

style, like, overdub vibe where, like, you hear it for a second and then it comes later. That's like one, maybe two seconds. We didn't actually see it really work. We just saw it. It's September. Okay, we got three more months of 2025. I think I'm sailing clear with this prediction going to win. I'm not cooked.

It will be, it will be good, just good enough to make you eat your words. But no one will actually use it. That's my. And frankly, if that's the case, humanity will be better off. You know, I truly believe that all these tech companies were like, oh, Ellis said we couldn't. Let's show him. That's definitely what they're doing.

I got a question. Billions of dollars of investments just to show me who, you know. What do you think is Ellis's battery life? Yeah, this is the last question. We need you to answer. I will ask, uh, alist, man, I'll meet him. Okay. Yes.

Uh, okay, let me go. We want you to guess. You're allowed to ask him questions about how I was here today to do. I think I, I took my phone off the charger at, uh, probably like, it is right now 2.26. At 11 a.m. Yeah, right when we left. okay so you used it earlier though right because you were up pretty early and went for a run

did you know yeah but i i charged it after that so i i think and i think it fully charged during the event so i think i think we could say i stopped charging it about three and a half hours ago okay let me guess 30 now yeah uh i will go with 35 oh that's a good guess no faith no but i am at 72 oh about 35 that's yeah to be fair we've been sitting here doing this and he hasn't really been using it yeah that's true that's 72 having not used it I've also noticed that the first half drains a lot slower than the second half. Like, well, for example, yesterday, when I was boarding the plane, my phone was at 37, and when the plane took off, it was at 5. I just want to say you're a cycle for getting on a plane at 37%.

But continue. I do everything at 37%. I do everything at 37%. I would go home if my phone is that 307%. I would be way too scared to be out anywhere. As somebody who listens to the podcast and clearly knows my struggle, what phone should I upgrade to? I feel, anyway, his battery is something, no matter whatever you get, it's an upgrade for you. 16E.

So I think 17 air would be, not 17, just iPhone Air would be a... Oh, wait, they're just calling it iPhone. That's a good point, yeah, yeah. We thought that was weird. We thought that was weird. That doesn't feel good for launching. Yeah. Like they're putting it in this weird spot where it's been like two minis, two, what did they call

them? Max. The max is, right? No, they were plus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Plus and now the air, like, what are the chances? Just two generations and then we try something else. I'm curious about what will they call an air for next year.

Will it be Air 2 or A18? Yeah. Damn. Or just air again, but they call it second gen like subtext. I feel like that's very Apple, yeah, the new air. Welcome back. I keep saying welcome back as if these are not like hard cuts between these interviews. Still at Apple Park. It's way hotter out now. And we are with Allison. Hello.

Allison, thank you for joining. Can you introduce yourself and maybe explain what you're doing on this beautiful Cupertino day? I just happened to be in Cupertino. No. You found the badge somewhere. Yeah, someone put this badge on me. Now I have Allison Johnson. I write for the verge. I'm a smartphone. lady and I dabble in wireless carriers so very very fun how did you feel about the event well it was more interesting than the last few events honestly uh you know the redesign on the pro is kind of kind of something okay explain something that sounds like not good yeah i it's a strong look uh you know the are you guys plateau plateau are you gonna say for the next for the next

week and then probably stop saying. I was thinking about calling it the mesa just to be sort of against the brain, but yeah, I think plateau is nice. Yeah. It is kind of a mesa, though. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I like the plateau.

I think it looks here. I've been extolling the virtues of the plateau all day. Okay. Actually. Yeah. I don't think I've made up my mind, but it's different. It's like a different thing. This is, it's kind of weird for me to say because I've never been fond of like the visor aesthetic that a lot of like pixel visor yeah like the pixel I was about to say a lot

of phones but I think it's just the pixel it does the visor they've done some of the old like wawa's had this big like but that used to be like when they they were putting like a screen on the back of it so a bit more sense this seems like they're shoving a lot of internals into it at least for the air right yeah that that nice sort of like smooth CNC'd wall up to the I don't know I'm into it and I was trying to explain this earlier and I couldn't but it makes the phone feel like a control panel or like a console one like part of a cockpit that I like really really like it's asymmetrical symmetry sorry yeah no like the back panel having that the little patch of like ceramic shield is interesting I smashed this iPhone back class I won't blame my four year old

but it was maybe a kind of his fault so I could have used that but yeah it's it's something interesting different uh 48 megapixel telephoto camera It could be cool. We'll have to see. What do you think of the air? The air is very light. strikingly light. Oh, wait, we're getting interference.

I tested the... How bad is it? Is it like, did it go and go away? Or is it still happening? Wait, can you talk? Sorry. Oh, hello. Is it good? Is it good?

Good. Can you start that idea? Okay. Yeah, the air is super light. it's you know as thin as it seems it is from the photos is it like the s 25 edge like the s 25 edge is it is slightly thinner wow okay yeah but once you get down to like that width of a hair i don't know like if anybody won there um yeah it's it's one of those things like you kind of live with it for a little bit at least with the edge and you're like this is nicer

This is lighter. As long as a battery. Yeah, as long as the battery holds up and, yeah, if it's in my back pocket, if it's turned into a flip phone, yeah. Oh my gosh. What phone do you have right now? I got the 16 Pro. Okay. Not Max.

I put a case on it. I hate cases, but the back is busted. To prevent it from getting any more busted? Yeah. And also for, so Apple doesn't see that I busted their reviews. I'll go get it repaired. So I guess if you were, would you trust the air with your four-year-old? Oh, God, that's the question.

I haven't thought of that. That might be the ultimate test of ceramic shield. That would be a good article of like a four-year-old in a concrete, you know, pavement slab. Yeah. Who's left standing? Also, I just feel like it'd be so enticing to put in your mouth if I was four-year-old. That was, like, the worst way I could have seen. No, no, no.

You know what I mean? Like, we've been wondering, do you think the live translation will actually work? Oh, God. I haven't, like, used a live translation thing that hasn't been super awkward. Yeah. Like, I think in, like, a stage demo or a very careful, like, you're ordering at a restaurant or whatever, it's been okay. Or someone's not, like, talking back to you and you need to go back and forth. It's just, like, saying one thing you need to, that you can rehearse pretty much.

Yeah. Like having a normal conversation seems I don't know Hypothetically if someone at the beginning of the year was like There's no way any like functional live translation comes out this year Would you be like that person's like really smart I know about that? I see what I'm like I don't know about that I am not taking sides in this

In this beef Allison It's intriguing Good call Say that. But hypothetically, assuming, you know, not that anyone did say this, but like if they did, like, and they needed an outside opinion, because him and his friends been arguing about it all the year, you would say. I'm on the side of skeptical. I don't know if it's going to be.

Oh, this is very excited. You said that? Yeah. Been getting a lot of, hypothetically, a lot of hypothetical. Yeah. Hypothetical. But, yeah. Did you feel like it was put in a weird place in this event?

I think that's sort of a leading question. but yeah they glossed over pretty quick they didn't really know what to do with it yeah they're like here you go in the the even just in the hands-on afterward the layout was weird because it's usually like iPhone iPhone iPhone pro watches earbuds they just had little cases of earbuds like little boxes as they were walking around, like they were chocolate or something, you know, like, like, hors d'oeuvres? Yeah, like an old-typey, like, stewardess or something. They just had the air pods, yeah.

Do they feel considerably smaller? I didn't pick them up. I had to, there are three friggin' phones this year. You're focusing on all that. I did not partake in the AirPods. Oh, my gosh. Did we ask thoughts on orange yet? Orange?

I'm pro- Orange. I like it. It's bold. You're pro also. We've had a lot of people who don't like it, though. Really? I'm really surprised by that. I think it's a really fun color.

It's good. Fun is good. Orange is the best thing about it. The design is terrible. No, no, no. We're already, we're pro. We're pro mesa over here. It's already been established.

All right. We have one more question for you. If hypothetically someone on this podcast was using an iPhone 12 mini and took it off the charger at 11 a.m. This morning. What do you think his battery life is? 30s? 30s? In the 30s.

You're the second person to guess 30s. Yeah. If I had actually been using it all day. You got the 12 mini here? Oh, my cute. My 13 minis at home. It doesn't get to travel. I get it.

So we asked our last, no, two people ago, we asked, and I said I was at 73. I'm already at 66. And he hasn't even used it in the process. Oh, no. Yeah. So I will be upgrading this year. So do you think you should upgrade to? I'm holding on to it until they,

cut it off when when they're like it's a security risk i i made the so we're we're still three years away from that somehow which is crazy i made the mistake of getting a base storage 12 mini which after five years i think of my 64 gigabytes i think 52 of them are now system data that i can't take off the phone um and so my phone really can't like memory swap at all anyway because there's no storage left no matter what I do. And so it's the kind of thing where like the keyboard never actually works because there's no RAM left to do the assistive type thing. So what you have to do is you have to open messages, open the keyboard, lock the phone, unlock the phone, which clears the RAM, and then you can type your text.

Oh my God, that's awful. Yeah, I live in hell. All right, you should trade that in. No, no, I'm not going to trade it in. I mean, they would give me zero dollars. They would recycle my forehead Right, we'll take this off your hands Yeah Alice, this has been an absolute pleasure Yeah, where can everyone find you?

Yeah You can find me at theverge.com You can find me at Allison Joe One On threads and Instagram Perfect link a description Yeah, thanks Thanks so much for doing

Thank you Thank you Speed And you're bringing it back Yeah Cool Am I? Should I be doing something? I don't do any podcasts. I don't know if that's not part of the shit.

We're leaving that in. That's in the podcast. What's up? Welcome back. We've found another victim, not just a victim, a professional victim. I was not warned about this. Yeah, please introduce yourself. Yeah, so my name is Brett. I go by Brett Tech on the internet. I do mostly short form stuff. I started in like the smart home 3D printing takering space. space. I just like to explain nerdy stuff to the internet. Count grew. Now I just cover everything tech, including iPhones, whatever I think is cool. That's awesome. We haven't talked to many

short form specific people because we are very long form, especially at the podcast. We're about as long form as you can get. What do you, how do you get into doing specifically short form stuff? Craziest. I mean, I feel like everybody has a different content creator story. Mine's no different. Um, super funny. So I've always tinkered with smart home stuff. That's my main hobby. And I made just the craziest smart home automation that I loved. It was I like reverse engineered the Bluetooth protocol and my coffee maker hooked it up

to a pressure sensor in my bed. So every morning when I get out of bed, fresh cup coffee. I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. That is the coolest thing. Yeah, sorry, it was the coolest thing. It still is. And I wanted to share it to some of my buddies on Discord. And I didn't, I didn't know where I could upload the file because it was too big for

Discord, so I was like, what's annoying with that? It is. And I was like, what's the social media platform? I take the least seriously and we'll never post anything on TikTok, of course. So I posted it on TikTok almost as like a video hosting service, made an account that night, shared the link to my buddies on Discord, went to bed, woke up, three million views. And then literally, that was what, four years ago. And since then, it's almost been a conversation with the audience because I was like, I post a video, there's comments, oh, how do you set that up? What smart home setup do you have? Well, blah, blah, blah. And that just, turned into a full-time job and I'm now a short-form creator. I tried to do YouTube too,

but it's hard. Okay. No, that's awesome. And do you now post on all different forms of a, so like shorts, reels, TikTok? I definitely, definitely was a TikTok come up, but now really focused, especially with like the band when that was lingering everything, really focused on diversifying a try long form, but I truly, even as a creator, it's like working a different job. It's no different than like going from being a content creator to like a tile setter. It's like the way you script, the way you plan, when you attack it, they're two totally separate things, even though they look so. We feel that way in reverse.

Yeah, yeah. It's like, to me, short forms, like I usually post three or four videos a day. I just riff, quick, all at the top. But short form, I'm going to sit down. I got a script. I got to revise it. I got edited. I got to tell a story.

It's different, right? No, it's been really funny for us, like, when we go to make a short, it's almost like an entirely isolated production pipeline. Yeah. Like we have different gear. We write the screws. It's so funny. We're terrible at it.

We'll have like one pop off and be like, oh, cool, that was awesome. And this one's definitely going to bang. And then it's like very low view count. And we're like, we have no idea. The one thing I have a few long-form videos I made, I do like the control you get short for them. There's like you got to disconnect what you think is good and what you know is good as good from the actual performance and just or else you get caught in this loop of things you can't

control. and it's so yeah it's really post it forget about it move on to the next one and try not to be overly that's what's fun about online creation though is like you kind of have you know we talk about this all the time when people start with us especially if they're from legacy media is like you get to make something see it through post it see your feedback and then you're on to the next thing usually within like a week which is not normal yeah okay so cool you're here covering the Apple event I am any thoughts specifically cut you I mean we're straight out of the event now yeah I was pretty stoked on it. One of the things, I mean, a lot of the things we saw for rumors with the air

coming in, one of the things that really surprises me moving forward is how much Apple is diversifying their set of skews by bringing in the air, the 16E. It's interesting to see them go in that direction. Because one of my favorite things about the Apple lineup to date has been how easy it is to recommend devices within it. The one thing of this is I find it curious how they're really expanding things out and maybe breaking that simplification. for the better like it could be for the better but it could also be for the worse um but overall really impressed um i thought some of the smaller features uh that didn't probably get a lot of love or a bigger feet bigger deal than most a lot of people think the uh satellite connectivity on the

watch ultra yeah that's one of those things that i think 99% of people don't see it but like for me personally i my main hobby is kite surfing awesome you go three four kilometers off the ocean um no cell service no tower you don't have have your phone with you. That's like a true lifeline that could really change the game for some people. Yeah, great event is my first one. Wait, wait, wait, no, no, we got to talk. Yeah, sorry. Hold on, hold on. Just drop that. Okay. First, kite surfing, like wind surfing, but without a fixed mass. Yeah. But your feet are attached to the board. There's a few, the wind sport sphere is very large and confusing. Okay. But kite surfing in its simplest form is you have a

kite 20-meter lines, it literally looks like a kite flying above you. Yeah. And you could either wear a wakeboard-style board where you're doing tricks and stuff, you take it off, you're strapped in, or you could ride a surfboard or you're traditionally like going into waves. Okay, so my mind is blown. So I grew up sailing. Yeah.

Wayform viewers might not know this. Grew up sailing. I've been three miles offshore in a 16-foot sailboat, and that was a, like, hell no experience for me. Like, and absolutely not, why am I here? This is not enough mass to support me this far away from civilization. You're doing this with a piece of fabric and a plank. I mean, a glorified, you know.

No, that's when it comes down. It's a super light fabric, super light, but like, yeah. So, do it you, you would trust you have enough faith in the Apple satellite stuff to be like, oh, if something were to go wrong, I don't need, like, a real radio. Yeah, and to service the kites, the kiteboarding community, we're all very safety-focused. The being three kilometers offshore is an edge case. Like usually we're playing it safe, but there is the time you're doing it downwindor or when you're three kilometers out offshore out of your control. Because the thing about wind sports is the wind goes the other way and you can't go straight into the wind.

You're sometimes caught out. And I don't think it's so much of I'm going to do that because I have the watch. But just having that as a safety option. I think with things like that, I don't think anybody is leaning on it as a crutch and going into this crazy stupid thing. But having it be there for that one, two, three percent of the times, and it seems like that's exactly what Apple is going for with the watch safety features. With all their safety features. It's a really good example.

Yeah, it's like don't rely on this to like, don't, yeah, like if you really need safety equipment, buy safety equipment, but if you don't have it, it's something you're using all the time that could potentially. And the upgrades for satellites this year was we've had satellite SOS, right? And now we have, though, like, location and location sharing and messaging. Yeah, it's just a little bit more. That's always a nice thing to have to just be like, hey, I'm going kite surfing. Yeah, like here, just so you know, yeah. Yeah.

You said this is your first event? This is my first iPhone event. So I've done two WWDCs. I've always been big on the software side. I'm good at explaining things that you can't see. But this is my first iPhone event, and it's been super mega, ultra cool. Sweet. And you're a short...

Pro Max. Ultra. UltraX. AirPods 3, cool. So you're a short form creator. How many... Have you posted any content since the episode, since it ended? I've posted 25 videos.

You posted 25? I was going to be surprised at three. Hold on. We've been working on one for an hour and a half. The... I've learned kind of the recipe to covering live events like this. Because I found my first Dubdub was my first live event. I'm so sorry.

Go, The birds. Go first. Yeah, I was just so overwhelmed, so I've kind of had to build a system for it. And really all it is is I have two phones recording at all times of the keynote. Anytime there's something good to clip, clip it, post it real time, get in front of it. And then after I do summaries, so here's everything you need to know about the Apple event in one minute.

Here's everything you know about the new iPhones and one minute. Here's everything to know about the new AirPods in one minute. Digestable, easy, quick. So you said 25 are like 20 of those clips from? the event and like five are your recaps afterwards and like the hand on and then there's some like in the margins which are more like okay as soon as you get onto the floor uh just film the colors of the iPhone what iPhone color you want where there's not a lot of substance to it it's just being the first piece of content colors of iPhones they pop online that's what somebody told me I was like

that's so surface level it is it's annoying sometimes you got to know the couple things that do it whether they're especially because you're someone who dives in really deep posting a couple colors probably feels like against what phone do you film all the song uh whatever phone i'm carrying i uh yeah i'm very my content's very scrappy by nature so the actual production outside of audio which is i learned is the one important one the actual quality of my video whether it's shaking or yeah front camera back camera whatever i could do to get it out so usually i carry the 16 pro yeah that's what i film on if i'm carrying a 15 today i had a 15 that because I my other 16 was dead so yeah I really don't put much thought into it so when

you're shooting short form is thermal our thermo wow I'm just going to start that whole sentence over that was a miserable I'm keeping all when you're shooting short form stuff you say you're keeping that yeah of course he's like when you're shooting short form stuff are the phones thermal something you're worrying about because that's something that's a conversation we've had amongst our studio and with other people here quite a bit actually because they showed the vapor chamber and we're trying to figure out like what the best for that is outside of all the gaming they keep showing. Well, that's what we kept talking.

And then I totally forgot, this is the second time I said this on the pod, that we wanted that Canon C-70 to be an iPhone, and we didn't trust it to not overheat during the shoot. I only ever run into it at events like this, where I'm not only constantly filming, but also I usually can handle the constant filming, but the problem is editing, flipping over to Instagram, TikTok,

posting it as posting in the background while you're filming. I am pretty bullish on the vapor chamber because of that. that's just the magic solution. But outside of events like this where filming, posting, uploading, editing, kind of all in tandem, that's the only time where I feel like I reach that limit. But I've done, I do like some of my live streams and stuff on the phone and it's never been an issue just for capturing footage. Dang, cool. Do you're, are you wearing Bitcoin socks or direct to consumer socks? Direct consumer socks. I used to, funny enough, I used to work in the like agency and marketing space.

Okay, cool. That's, I think, were some of my career. creator success comes from as I know how to communicate messages to people. And that's a newsletter we ran. As someone who seems to be doing short form content right, what would you say to people who are trying to become tech short form creators? What's the one thing that you wish someone had told you before you got it got it cooking? Even though you just said that your very first TikTok had 30 million. I mean, to that point though, you got to like, don't don't just review a phone.

Don't just make a video to show this cool desk. Make something you want to tell your friends about. You've got to be really excited about it, especially on short form YouTube as well. People's BS detector on social is so alarmingly good where if you just want to be a tech creator so you're going to film a review about your laptop and how much RAM it has, not a chance.

I don't care how good you are, what camera you have, you are going to get 10 views. Show if you really like your mouse because it helped you rank up in Apex and it's this very specific setting that you love. and you want to dial that in and tell people about it, that's what's going to work, something you're genuinely excited about.

And don't worry about quality, don't worry about intros, hooks, nothing. Just talk about what you're stoked on. And then everything else will fill in, but that's the only thing that matters. Exactly what Marquez did. He didn't see a video for the HP laptop remote that was plugged into the side of it,

and that's the first video he made. Yeah, and it's cool. It's cool thing, but most people, like, when you think tech creator, you're like, oh, I've got a... Respects, yeah. Spex, processor, Intel, AMD, blah, blah, blah. No, like, that's, A, that stuff is out there being done 10,000 times better than anybody entering and could do. You're not going to compete with it. And B, you'll just be seen right through. So you've got to lean on the stuff you care about. Okay, I have a question. Oh. Is it about automations? Because I wanted to ask something about. It's about browsers. Browsers. Oh, okay. No, this is a great question. Okay. We're trying to convince Marquez to leave his browser arc that he's been using for a while because it just got bought by private equity. All this whole thing. Yep.

What browser do you recommend? What do you use? If you have to pitchmark as a browser. If you had a pitch marquez on a browser. See, there's something I feel like I should care deeply about, but I just use any time I'm working where something on Safari

and can benefit from something native Apple, I'll jump in Safari. And then I use Chrome just because it's really good at triaging all my different like workspace accounts. Safari for like raw performance on Mac. Anytime that I need performance and like cross device continuity, Chrome. I wish I had like some answer.

No, no, that's fine. I think that's what most of the answers are going to be. Yeah, like, I wish there was, like, some niche opera. Yeah, that's... But, no, I just, yeah, unfortunately, no hot takes on the browser. No, no worries. I want to ask one more question. You said you do a lot of automation, other than the coolest automation ever of making yourself a cup of coffee. What's one other one you're super proud of?

Maybe it didn't get a ton of views, but you're like, man, this I thought was really the coolest thing ever did. I have a follow-up question, actually. Oh, honestly, like, there's the cool ones that are, like, shock value that you never. use. But it's the, I think if anybody is interested in smart home and automation, the biggest thing that's kind of dropped in that world are millimeter wave radar sensors that can actually not just detect whether or not you're in a room, but where exactly you are in a room. It basically makes like a mini map that you could trigger automations off of. So like I've got a little workshop studio thing. Just having it so when I step up to my desk, the standing

desk goes down. So I can sit there, all the lights turn on and enters like a work mode. When I go to my workbench, the workbench light turns on, doing like spatial automations like that. And nothing crazy, just like making the lights are sorted. Make sure, like, when you hop into bed, the doors lock, that type of stuff. That's really the night of doing. What's his brain of this whole thing? We're about to go down a very deep rabbit hole. So I'll keep it very surface level.

In the home automation space specifically, there's two kind of, there's two kind of crews. There's the bleeding edge crew, which is a platform called Home Assistant. Okay. Totally open source. Everything's as custom as it possibly can be. That's where you, if you really want to push the limits to build some crazy stuff, you go there. In the smart home and home automation world, specifically I'm a big proponent of because it's something that's ingrained in your life, it's better for it just to work and be functional rather than you be pushing the limit. It is the classic Apple versus like Android argument in that regard. And I use Apple HomeKit. It's a really good brain for it. You could use series shortcuts to do really in-depth automations.

And my partner who couldn't care less about that stuff, she could open her iPhone, go to the home app that she's never set up, view the cameras, turn off the lights, do all this stuff without. me having to like debrief her over like 10 lessons. That's really helpful. Brett, before we send you off back into the world to do your actual job. This is my actual job. He could have posted like eight or nine different videos in the time of being on this.

As a home automation guy, there's a new thread modem or is a new modem that has the thread protocol. Are we not excited about this new modem? We are. So there's a few things to be excited about the new modem. But with threads specifically, thread is already integrated in most people's smart homes through their home pods or other

hub devices. Thread's very common. The reason it is exciting is because it's an easier entry point for people to get into more advanced smart home automations without needing to buy all of these hub devices. It'll bridge you there. So unless, I mean, I don't know, maybe there's going to be, I like to think that they might be able to use that thread radio for other sorts of communication for things that aren't necessarily smart home, like interacting with. Maybe that's it interacts with the new air tag that comes out in two years and it brings a bunch of functionality. But really, it's not like we're getting anything new. It's just bringing more accessibility to people that might want to get in a smart home.

That's such a good point. I've been so curious why Apple is so stoked on announcing that they make a modem now. It is cool, but it's just a flex. Also, it's like, even amongst our office of like nerdy techie people, I think at least half of our office does not know that modem is an abbreviation, let alone know that what a modem is or what it does or why they should care. And so the fact that they're putting it in like a flagship event, I'm still just like, who, I guess it's, I guess it's for the door.

Andrew, what is modem short for? I was just going to say, I don't think anyone knows what a modem short for. It's literally been a trivia question on the podcast. Yeah, and how many people got it right? Apparently not yet. It's short for modulator, demodulator. Oh. Interesting.

Cool. care even the modem guy is like oh you know like anyway that's my rant I don't know good rant I do like I do like the idea that they're adding this the threads capability so that they can have more flexibility in the future for like wireless yeah that's that's my assumption but I have one more home question for you yeah but which is that for the past few years I've been seeing lots of unexpected companies like Comcast put out all of these research papers into using Wi-Fi to create these mini-map sort of things that you're talking about, like doing person location detection. I am not technical enough to understand these papers. Are you? If what you're

talking about is how you could basically use Wi-Fi to see-through walls, is that the TLBOR of what you're talking about? What I've been reading is that Comcast has these, and a few other companies have been filing patents about using the existing router you have in your house to know exactly where you are standing in a room. Yeah, so there, another very deep rabbit hole. So there's, there's two, there's two things that they can be talking about there. One is just pinging the device based on the signal strength. So you're carrying your phone. If you're, if the modem's in the bedroom, or router's in the bedroom, and it's a really strong signal, you know, in the bedroom. There's this other really crazy, I don't know much about it. I don't know a few people who do,

where it basically uses the Wi-Fi signal, kind of like a radar where, and it could see-through walls and you could actually map people and objects in rooms so there's DIY projects so you take an old router take it apart and use it almost like it's like a thermal camera when you're looking around and it's it's not like a two-way signal but when it blasts the Wi-Fi signal out it's such a strong wavelength that it can detect like kind of the density that is going into and you could like effectively map out someone's home huh Brett this has just been fantastic yeah this was fun thanks for yanking me thanks for coming yeah thanks for coming yeah

Brad for saying we should talk to you. Boy, was he right. Brad, the gift that keeps on given. I'm pretty sure Adam probably subscribed to every one of your platforms in the middle of that. I'm very excited to see it. Before we send you off into the wilderness of Cupertino, where can people find you so they can learn more about these really interesting things that you've been talking about? Brett. Dot tech on TikTok. TikTok and Instagram, I got an underscore after there. I'm working on it, but I have a tough battle to fight. But brett.com underscore on Instagram. Great. Cool.

Brett, thank you so much. If you're ever in New Jersey, you know who to call. Yeah, sit down and grab the mic, and if you want to jump on for a minute. Hi, so what are we doing? Dude, you're looking at it. We're doing a, we're doing waveform man on the street asking people with it. You have to share the microphone. Yeah.

We'll figure it out. Sorry. No, no, don't be sorry. That's Alice's fault. We watch you all the time. This is iconic. Nice to meet you guys. Yeah.

Welcome to the show. Yeah. For those just tuning in, we have found three more fun guests to join us. What are each of your names? My name is Adi. We're all from here, so I was going to say I'm from here, but we're all from here. Yeah, I'm Munan, just recently graduated from UC Berkeley. Awesome, congrats.

And you want to move the mic over, so we? A lot closer to you now. Ishawn? Yeah. Awesome. Dude, it's great to meet all of you. Thanks for stopping in. This is something we're doing a little different because Marquez and David and Brandon are inside

with events. We didn't get passes, so we figured we'd grab some people, journalists, or people wandering around and see what they thought of the event. So yeah, you said you live around here. You guys watched the event though, right? Yeah, we were in the, we're in the visitor center. They played on a little TV. Oh, really? It plays Apple TV promos, not on the big screen. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay, that's pretty cool. Yeah, just put the mic like whoever's, no, no, it's totally fine. Whenever you're talking, put it next to you, and that'd be great. Okay, so you guys are all from the area. Do you watch these events every year? Generally, yeah, and sometimes I see my house from the SkyCam.

Really? Yeah, that's awesome. Not kidding. That's really cool. Yeah, I see a local Boba joining across the street. I walk through sometimes. It's fun. How do you feel like this year's event compared to previous September events?

Do you have any opinions? I have some opinions. I don't want to... Yeah, I mean, I feel like on my end, it felt like, you know, sort of minor improvements. Obviously, I think it's been very incremental over the past few years. And I think, I mean, I'm interested in the 17, just because I have a current as a 12. and so I was looking to upgrade and you're, you know, I'm hitting at that five-year limit.

I wanted that bigger battery, you know, bigger battery, better storage. I'm very excited about the 256 base. I think that they like, did they say it or was it just like on the screen? I think that's one of it. Okay, they might have verbalized it. Pixel needs to do that.

I'm so mad that I had to upgrade to 256. Oh, yeah. I'm very excited. I mean, I'm at 64 and I'm running out of storage weekly. Weekly. I'm like, I have to clear up my phone every week and I'm like, I don't have time. I'm a busy, you know, personally. Yeah. And then also, does your keyboard mess up all the time?

Oh, for sure. Storage? Yes, dude. Yeah. This is the support group now for iPhone. Also, this is now us, just a, so now that you know, we both need a new phone. The people have made that very clear for me, at least. What is the, what are you going to upgrade to? Yes. I mean, I think for me, I, we were just diving deep into the specs

differences between the 17 and the 17 pro. It seems like the differences aren't even. that big, especially, it's such a game changer with ProMotion on the 17, 256 base, you know, all of these other features and Apple intelligence support. But for me, I think one of the patterns I noticed is with Apple Intelligence, we saw between the 15 and the 16, the 15 immediately got phased out. So the base iPhone model versus the pro. So I'm concerned that in the future, if that happens to the base 17, there's a new LLM or, you know, different types of models that are running, how does that affect the performance as well as the RAM, right? Base iPhone 17 has

eight gigs of RAM versus 12 on the pro. So how does that affect, you know, the actual performance and the ability for it to be, you know, supported? That's a important. Great point. Assuming we do ever get Apple intelligence. Like the official. Yeah, yeah. Right. No, I feel you. I, watching the event, I, for months, I've been like, the iPhone air is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. heard of. And then they got to the thing at the event, and I was like, I need one. It's pretty cool. It looks so. It looks very cool. Phones are nice. I saw. The slim phones are nice. You want to, I mean, you've held it. Yeah. Oh my God. I mean, battery is not great on this one already, but, uh, yeah, it's 4,400 million

hours and a big bright screen. It's less bright than the six, actually. I had the six. Do you find yourself, so for audio listeners, what phone is it? It's the Galaxy Fold 7. Okay. I've had every fold since the three, just kind of stacking up. I used to work at a, actually at the Costco right across from Google headquarters. Okay. And he did as well. My friend over there. That's awesome.

Selling phones. So yeah, I kind of stacked it. And I actually, I'm controversial. I like the slightly thinner cover screen. I like the TV remote kind of. Because I'm such a one-handed guy. And then for me, if I have two hands, I open it up. But I get why this is the more slightly wider is more appealing to people.

For sure. Yeah, yeah. No, I totally get that too. No, I thought the iPhone era was super interesting by like, stacking everything in the plateau and basically leaving the entire body for just battery, which is still probably going to be all day. I think the rumor was 2,800 million ap hours. It's always that fun thing where we never know what it is until someone has to rip it over.

They just don't have like numbers. It's also missing a GPU core, even though it has a pro chip. Yeah, it has five GPUs. You guys watched this better than we did. And you watched it in a public place. Oh, okay. Yeah, we were deep diving and we're always nerding out on these features. So you guys, what did you study at Berkeley?

computer science and data science. And are you all in tech? Is that sort of where we're? I'm business management economics. Well, I want to do product marketing mainly for tech because growing up near Apple Park, which used to be HP when I was growing up, it's kind of, I don't know if I grew to love tech

or I grew in tech culture, so I grew to love it, kind of not by choice, but I like tech. And then, oh yeah. I'm in the, I'm still in school. I'm spending some time in film. So I have 16 Pro and I'm enjoying it because it's meant for kind of like a film student kind of focus with the pro res and all those extra features I bet the iPhone the new iPhone video is better than the cameras I was shooting with when I went to film school like I would not be surprised. There's a there's like the only thing that really draws me to the pro is like I have this collection of really old dinky cameras that I like because they love. look really nice but it's not like pro quality footage and I keep telling myself I need to invest in like in a like a real camera that I can use like professional work professional and I'm like

what if I just got an iPhone pro might be fine you work with you work with Marquez this guy you work with Marquez and all the camera people like you have these best what I do need a camera I will usually just steal one from the office but it would be nice eventually to own my own, but until then, until then, yeah, I will be just taking it. Oh, my God. So I was curious if you guys were in tech because when you brought up ProMotion, I was a little surprised. And I'm sort of curious if you think the average, the average person who's like not buying an iPhone pro is just buying like a base iPhone. Will they even notice 120 hertz? My mom has a flip 7 and she turns off and the flip 5 and the

flip 4 and the flip 3. And I've made her turn off high refresh rate because she doesn't notice and it just makes the battery a bit worse. Doesn't know. Okay. Yeah. And, but I mean, like, she needs the largest font size. So, like, very nice. But like, yeah, that's what she got the seven. Because even the slightly larger cover screen helps with the slightly bigger font. Like, it actually makes it usable for her so she can, like, read her messages on the front now versus the fire is a little bit of struggle. Yeah. I think, like, all of us are really happy that we can finally say the iPhone base doesn't have 60 hertz anymore. But I do think to a certain point is like, most people won't even notice. Yeah. I was thinking back to. the heritage of high refresh rate Android phones and I think one of the first ones was like the Razor phone really probably yeah they bought yeah the Razor 1 yeah and because they bought Next bit remember next bit

yeah they bought next bit and then 16 gigs of storage on the phone and everything went in the crowd probably pre- Ellis and he didn't really care about Android phones but yeah and it was terrible and then they actually made some reasonable upgrades in like the Razor phone too but yeah and then it still just wasn't yeah that was just kind of that got to seeing the

120 Hertz on the baseball kind of reminded me of like like how long it's been and like it's It was nice to see that. For sure. Next guess, Michael. Okay, you did watch the event, right? Yes. You thought it was awesome, you said?

It was pretty cool. Cool. What was your favorite part of it? I think I liked the AirPods and the iPhone 17. What did you like most about the AirPods? I do like the workout feature and the blood pressure. The blood pressure or the the Harvey monitor and yeah, yeah. Cool.

Do you have an Apple Watch though? So are you interested in using that possibly without your Apple Watch? Possibly. Okay, cool. Um, but I'm, I love wearing my watch. Um, it just, it just feels like it's part of me. Mm-hmm. And so, you know, I sleep with it and everything. So, cool. I've been hearing that a lot that like the, it feels a little redundant to have heart rate in the, in the AirPods. I could see it for people if they're not wearing a while.

Look, I feel like, you know, now with AirPods and with rings, we're finding ways that you can get the benefits of a watch. And if you're a watch person, you can wear a real watch. I've been really wanting to go back to wearing a real watch instead of my cereal box on my wrist. I've got really small wrist, so I think it looks really weird on me. So I was really stoked because the rings did not really seem like me. So I guess I'm kind of excited. Oh, Brandon's calling me. Oh, is you?

Yeah. Brandon, you know who Brandon is. I'm going to hang up on him now. Yeah. We're live. Sorry, we'll call back. No, no. All right, what was your favorite thing?

Or actually, before you tell me about your favorite thing about the new iPhone, what phone are you using right now? I'm using the iPhone 12 right now. 12, okay. You're the second 12 user. I haven't upgraded yet, but I want to upgrade. I just don't have the money yet. Sure. Same.

I mean, everything's expensive, which is definitely tough. But I think it's cool when people wait a while because then the upgrade feels so much better. My dad has the iPhone 16. Okay. A few weeks ago, he just got it, and he loves it so much. Okay. So he just got it a couple weeks ago? Yeah.

So he just missed a price drop. I mean, he didn't know when the 17th came out. So, but. That's fair. It's fine. I think I just found a new Marquez tweet, like a yearly Marquez tweet. In August, he just needs a tweet. Do not buy an iPhone for the next six weeks.

You have time. have six weeks and then it will be a hundred dollars cheaper yeah that's super fair so what do you think you're going to upgrade to which model i would if i had to choose to buy an iPhone i would probably pick the pro okay the 17 pro because i feel like it's pretty good with like the cameras and all that stuff i do like the center stage yeah on the yeah and i feel like because i'm i'm like i'm I love taking photos and with the progress and all that stuff, I think it would be pretty great. Pretty helpful, yeah. Do you like the new, or what do you think of the design language and the orange color?

I actually like the orange color. It's pretty unique. I love it. I think both of us are team orange right now. Who's anti-orange? Oh, actually, I like most of them. I think everyone we've talked to so far has not liked the orange either. Lame.

But yeah, and what about the, like, you like the plateau and everything? It's a pretty big, it's a pretty big visual change, even though it's really not that different, but... It's pretty cool looking. I like design on it and the way it looks different from a different iPhone. Sure. I think I like, the more I think about it, I like the plateau, because it adds symmetry in a way that makes it feel more like a console. Or like some sort of like... Like a pixel, you mean.

It kind of feels like, do you remember Project Aura, the, like, fake design phone where it was, like, supposed to be modular and everything was in squares? Like, now that it has the, like, you know, the whole squircle or rectangle, like, across the top, and it has the, like, matte finish around where, like, it feels segmented and, like, evenly. The only thing is, is I don't think it's actually going to be lay down flat and not wobble because there's still the camera bumps protruding out of the protrusion. No, and the air is going to be even more heinous. Yeah, I think. I don't know what else to see. Wobbly. All phones are now, I guess.

Yeah. Not my pixel. Have you always been an iPhone user? I've been always an iPhone user. I sort of have an iPhone 5C. Okay. What color? Green.

Yes. Good color choices. I like it. Yeah. And then, oh yeah. Since you've always been an iPhone user, though, if you had to pick an Android phone to use right now, what would you pick? Maybe the pixel 10. Pixel 10?

Yeah, or the pixel fold. Pixel folds? Yeah, that's the hardest part about this event. For me is I know I also have a 12. I feel your pain, brother. But I don't, like I want, I need to upgrade. My phone is dying. It's cannibalizing itself.

But I really want a folding iPhone. D.S. I just want to wait, and I clearly can't. And I don't know, I don't know how to broach this with my bank account. And we're back on the street. With another guest, can you tell us your name? My name is Jack. Jack, great feature, Jack.

Did you watch the event? I have not. You have not watched the event. Awesome. And I also heard you have no idea who we are. Right. Perfect. That is so fun.

K-B-HD. You know MKB-H-D. Okay, perfect. So you know our... That's why. I don't know who we are either, but I don't know... Yeah. This is awesome. First, tennis jersey. Yes. Al-Khraz or sinner?

Al-Karaz. Bad answer, but we're cool. I like his answer. But you look like sinner. That's why I like it. Is that a compliment or not? No, it's a compliment. Okay, cool. He's handsome. He's really handsome.

No, I like sinner because he makes... weird trick shots look really, really easy. And things that would be, like, disrespectful in most contexts just look so natural when he does them. Yeah, that's effortless. Exactly, exactly. And I can't get enough of it. But enough about tennis.

Are you sure? Well, yeah. We can't talk about it. This is a real podcast. All right. What phone do you have right now? iPhone, um, 15. Okay, just a regular 15.

15 pro. 15 pro. You did not watch the event. Are you thinking, though, of upgrading this year or any time soon? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Have you heard any rumors or anything about what? Sorry, there's a guy with a Vision Pro in front of me right now.

I know. I've seen it too. I was not expecting that. I saw it too. Have you heard any, like, rumors or stuff about the new one that came out? You missed the event. Wait, no, this is actually the Proch, D. What would the new iPhone 17 Pro have to have to convince you to upgrade?

That's a great... Better camera. Okay. What does better mean? Like, higher resolution? Okay. It does not have that, so... No, yeah, and you would be looking at the pro, right?

Yeah, pro. Okay. Yeah, I don't... What if there's that much... Yeah, what if it was, like, crazy thin? That's not... That's the pro, though. Oh, yeah, we're talking about the pro.

Here's a question. Do you take a lot of video? Yes. Does your phone ever overheat when you're taking video? Yes, the pro one does. Okay. Would a new cooling feature that potentially, we haven't tested this, yet helps with overheating in video mode.

Would that convince you to upgrade? Yeah, for sure. You might be pretty excited when you watch the event later. I think that's... What about... Do you like the color orange? Oh. Yeah, because I graduated from University of Illinois.

Okay. Oh. That's why Eric pulled you over. Eric, can hear that? University of Illinois. Okay, there we go. Really? Urbana.

Okay, nice. Yeah, engineering? Yes. I'm from Illinois. Eric is also... Now I need to... Can I show you a photo of the orange iPhone? You're going to ruin this moment for him?

I need to look up all the new... Are you okay seeing the new iPhone for the first time on a podcast you've never heard of and telling us if you like it or not? Yeah. Okay, cool. Oh, Marquez took a picture of it, right? Yeah, it's not a story.

So they did a little... Have you seen what the new design changes are like at all? Well, I've seen some rumors. Okay. Like some pictures of the pro. Okay. They have like the wallet. It looks like the wallet's attached to it almost already.

And that they're calling it the plateau is the big like camera bomb. So this is the new orange of the pro. Do you like that or no? Yeah, I like it. Kind of like ermes. Hermes. They do a lot of Hermes. I thought it was really funny how much they're doing Hermes stuff still,

but they refuse to do leather anymore, which is kind of like their whole shtick. But cool. So do you, what do you think of the new design language on everything? Now that you're seeing, because, like, we're never sure if rumors are actually going to happen, but this is what it is. Yeah, I think, like, they widen the top edge, right? So it will not, like, if you sit on the phone, like, you will not be, like, like wobbling.

I still think, because it still has camera bumps on top of that. So there might be a little less, but I think they'll still be a little bit. It seems like they're, one of the things they mentioned in the events for the air ends of this, is that they're packing a lot of stuff into that bump and trying to use that space to increase, like, battery size and, like, add other internals into there. So... What would it take to get you to switch to Android?

I will never switch to. If you had to, is there an Android phone you would ever consider? If you're forced to. Yeah, Huawei. Huawei? Which Huawei? You don't know any of them? That's okay. I heard they have, like, good cameras.

A lot of them are really awesome The just most annoying thing is is not being able to get a play store But like I think a lot of people In our world would be using Huawei phones If we could use them Yeah I mean I haven't used the current generation of Huawei phones

I've only used like a few behind And it's funny that you bring up the camera Because the cameras do feel really nice And they have lots of really interesting features But they also have like such a look To them like they feel very like sharp but not oversaturated, like a lot of, sometimes, like, Android, I don't know. It's funny that the Huawei cameras are wet, what you brought up.

I don't know. Everybody in China is using Huawei. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because they're nasty. Frickin awesome. Cool. Are you going to go watch the event afterwards, or are you just to, like, read about stuff, watch YouTube videos on it?

Yeah, I will watch it. Watch the whole event? Yeah. It's cool. I feel like it's, have you seen any ones in the past? And, like, have you watched the events in previous years? Yeah, I used to watch. Live.

Excuse me, sorry. This one felt very slow to me. This was a very incremental upgrade year, just despite some design language changes, which visually looks really cool. Well, it has been several years, and they do the incremental increments. Yeah, nothing felt super wowy,

but a lot of, like, things where if you're, you said 15 you're on right now, right? Yeah. Two generations, like, there probably will be some nice, It probably won't be a huge difference. We talked to multiple people who are still using 12, so those people upgrading, we'll probably feel it a lot more.

Yeah, but it doesn't make sense to upgrade every year. No, I totally agree. All right, welcome back. We're back with Kavi because I, when he said he studies aviation, thought he meant engineering, and I didn't realize he's in flight school. And many of you have been asking me to do an audio-only episode, like about audio stuff for years.

It's not going to happen. But we are about to do the plane segment Because this is Ellis' other passion. I'm checking out. I have no idea what's coming. Covey. Tell me more about what it's like to be in flight school. Well, I was just talking to him about how we use iPads.

I was going to ask that. We use a app called Foreflight for navigation, like performance computations. Is it iPad minis or like full-blown iPads? So I use the 11-inch pro for the brightness. I think a lot of people would want, like, as it sounds, a mini-pro, just for the brightness. Totally. I mean, all of us would love that. And that's interesting to see one other person outside the tech, you know, of us trying to cram everything and everything wanting it. But that does make sense. Because they promoted the mini for like flight stuff pretty hard a couple years ago, right? Okay, cool. So do you have to hotspot it or do you, are you downloading all the maps locally and the GPS works all up there? So we get the cellular iPads, but we don't connect like a cellular plan to it. It's just because those ones have the GPS or something in it. And then we download all the. the, I guess, materials we need before we fly.

And then in the cockpit, it just, you know, shows us where we are. And we go based off of that. I guess that makes sense. Because, like, even on my watch, like, my Garmin watch, you can just download offline maps and it does a pretty good job at telling where you are. Obviously, flying is a lot different than that. When I finally upgraded from my free open source flight simulator to Microsoft Flight Simulator, the newest one, and they switched from having, like, a Logitech thing,

the cockpit to the fake iPad on the side with fake 4Flight, I was like, it took me, I'm still getting used to it. You can connect actual 4Flight to Microsoft Flight simulator. I, so I've done that, but I use the, so lost right now. So lost. I use the open source for flight clone. I'm trying to remember what it's called. Open maps?

Don't get me. Andrew, what's it called? I have it on my computer, which is not here. But I use it because I'm really bad at remembering airport codes and runway numbers. and all the things that I need to actually do a flight plan. I also don't fly real planes. Fun fact. What are you flying right now?

It's cool. Cezna 172. Classic? Yeah. Sweet. Are you planning on becoming an airline pilot? Is that the ultimate goal? Either airline or corporate.

Recently I've been swayed over more to the corporate side of aviation. There are a lot of benefits to that. Like there's one guy I just recently met. He's a pilot for Netflix. He's a senior at San Jose State, actually. actually. And, you know, his work-life balance sounds really good. Yeah, I've heard that's a good gig. And then also you get to fly really exciting airplanes. Actually, I don't know, I would assume Netflix owns really large airplanes.

In corporate jets in general, just fly higher and go faster. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And you need more exciting ratings that like sound way cooler than I guess a jetliner rating is also pretty cool. Like being responsible like that. I don't know. Way cool. Yo, you're not going to believe this. We were just like hanging out here doing a podcast and some guy just walked in. And some guy just appeared and I feel like, I feel like, oh, look who, Marquez. Not at all.

Pull up a chair. Yeah, where do I sit? Literally anywhere. Can you say your name and what you do for a living? Oh. Oh, yeah, I can. Would you like me to? Hi.

Okay, we'll just share this. Yeah. This is a little impromptu. Yes. So we've been out here all day. Impromp 3. Impromp 3. David's here now.

That's right. Brandon's over there too. I don't know if you know who Brandon is. Marquez, how's your day been inside Apple Park? Really good. I have like 10 minutes before my next briefing because you know what they do. They just stack our meetings all together. Let's like let's speed run through this.

Obviously the first thing we got to talk about is live translation on the new AirPods. How is it? Haven't tried it? Because it doesn't exist. Literally about to try it. Oh really? Yeah. demo.

Yeah. But I'm not allowed to talk about it. Are you serious? Yeah. Really? But you can tell me about it. I can tell it at embargo I can tell you. Which means it doesn't work.

We'll talk about it. We don't talk about anything at the studio until embargo hits. That is true. That's true. Next question. Yeah. Orange. In person.

What's the vibe? Horrible. It's bright. It's bright. Horrible? I thought it looked. I don't know, man. In person, because I don't want to show you pictures.

I want to tell you it's saturated. It's a little bit more than the like Halloween dull orange of a pumpkin that we might have expected. And I'm just. I'm just more bummed that there's no neutral dark. Like, it's blue or silver. I want a black eye phone. The dark blue is okay, though. It's okay. Yeah, but no black?

Yeah, so. No space gray, no space black, nothing. Isn't that crazy? Because that's, like, the most popular color of phone is black. Yeah, but the pros are color for that. We've got to get with the Times. Proos are allowed to have fun. Yeah, pros are allowed to have fun. We don't just have to suffer in our studios. Just want to have fun as they say. Yeah. That's

going to be the title of the, I don't know. Either that or orange is the new black. I think that's what I keep hearing. This is crazy. The guy who doesn't watch any TV or movies just out-referenced all of us, and we've been talking about it all day. It's not just that.

It's a, it's this dude just like comes out and instantly out SEOs. Okay, Marquez, we got to stay on topic, though, because you've got to be somewhere to be the air. Yeah. You got to talk with air. You put it in your hand. You held it. How does it feel, you guys?

I loved it. Yeah. Similar to the S-25 Edge. You see it in person. You see the, like, the videos and everything, and it looks kind of cool. wow they made a thin one and then you hold it and it's really thin and light and you're like that's very impressive that's what we all thought about that as 25 edge and then put it away and no one's touched it since it's true and you know what I'm making a short about this and I'm

going to say it in the video it is a worse phone than the other phones okay it is going to have only one camera it's going to have it has to have worse battery life there's no way it doesn't have way worse battery life worse yesim only a couple other things are a little bit lesser so it's a pro-motion it's a pro chip with one less GP for it's going to be a fine phone It's so wild to me that they put the pro chip in the thin phone. Yeah, I'm not sure why they did that. That's crazy. I'm stoked.

They said it was more efficient than the regular chip. Yeah. Which is wild. Okay. So maybe that's why, I guess. Yeah, and then ProMotion is more efficient than 60 Hertz. They kind of needed it, right? Yeah.

Yeah. So that makes sense, but it's just, yeah, you hold it and you're just like, wow. It, I mean, the soft touch on the back and the way it's like curved around the sides, it's, it feels really good. It really does feel good. It is one of those things where I'm like, is this like a gimmick or, you know. It is. Just to be clear. I mean, it is. Well, okay, so I'm going to make, this is a whole video idea I've been working on,

and it's maybe a separate video, maybe it's the air review. Yeah. But you either believe that this is just a one-off, we tried something new and made a thin phone thing, or you believe, genuinely, in your heart, that this is how thin that phones are all going to be in a couple of years. Can I hit it with a third option? It's the foldable. It's the foldable. It's one half of the foldable.

They needed to work on the internals of the foldable to be thinner, so that's why they made this phone. It's like they made the thinner Z-fold 7, like three months after they made the edge. Yeah, this is true. I think that they just needed to get the internals thinner. Yeah, totally fair. And they did say they had some lines they snuck in about how, like, this phone needs Apple Silicon to do what it does. And that's why you have this N-1 chip. Yeah, N-1.

C-1-X. And then obviously A-19. So there's all these little things that are like, oh, we finally can make a phone this thin that doesn't suck. Yeah. And they said they had a couple lines about. a more dense battery, we'll see. There's just no way it's... I asked them about the battery and they said

it's not that it's like a more dense technology. It's just physically larger. I mean, yeah. Like they crammed more of the components into that bar. All the components are basically, the chip, some speakers, all the camera, front and back facing camera are all in that camera bar. They just said like it's the same like, it's the same battery technology.

It's just a bigger physical battery. Yeah. We've got to kind of wrap it up. Can I flip something on Ellis's head right here now? I have a trivia. question for both of you that I am not going to be a part of. I met someone really awesome before who does short form content at 2.30. We asked him, since the event started, how many videos has he released?

Price is right rules. Price is right rules. You both have a guest. Released? How many has he posted? 12. Since the start of the event. My guess is 12.

12. I'm going over. I saw some people doing just reels of moments of the keynote. note. And I think with that, you could easily stack up 10 to 12. And then, like, products afterwards could be 10. So I'm going to go with 20. Very close. 25. Yeah. 25? I believe you. He was super interesting, too. I can't wait until you guys see what that's so crazy. Mark, guys, you have somewhere to be, we're going to tape another podcast

tomorrow, which is actually going to come out before this in the app podcast studio. I just want to say this has been a breath of fresh air. It's so great to have you on this beautiful outdoor set. David. This has just been fantastic. This has been Waveform on the street, version one. You heard it here first. I'm so glad I made it. And we'll see you.

Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. Guest number one? Guess number one. Appreciate that, yes. We will be back for our normal episode this Friday, unless this won't come out on a Friday, so I can say that. Yeah, see in the next one.

Oh, sorry. See the next one. I'm going to do it this time. Who's your favorite? Say it. Hard cut. Mariah. It's definitely Mariah.

Miles? Miles? Yes. And