Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - iPhone's Amazing New Camera, Tesla vs Porsche Round 2, & Google Pixel 4 Leaks

Episode Date: September 20, 2019

Today, we revisit the Tesla vs Porsche Taycan debate by dissecting some laptimes that Tesla put down on an all new Model S model available next year, followed by a deep-dive into how great the iPhone 11 cameras have performed after a week of daily use, followed by an examination of the numerous Google Pixel 4 Leaks to see what we're excited about in the upcoming phone. Lastly, we wrap it all up with another Listener Q & A! Links from Episode: Waveform Twitter: https://twitter.com/WVFRM  1 Password: https://1password.com/mkbhd  Phil Defranco Podcast: https://bit.ly/2kSki2X  Jon Rettinger Apple Bankrupt Video: https://bit.ly/2m3deR8  Tesla at Nurburgring: https://bit.ly/2mnxsoZ  Pixel 4 Leaks: https://bit.ly/2kAHraa  OnePlus 7T Leaks: https://bit.ly/2kJVI4r            Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And if you aren't confused, that probably means you missed episode 4, as it was a special unscheduled episode, which also means you're probably not following us on Twitter. We're not mad. We're just disappointed, that's all. Anyway, we're your hosts. I'm Marques Brownlee. And I'm Andrew Manganielli. And on this episode, we're going to go over the ongoing Tesla versus Porsche saga. And then we'll dive a little deeper into iPhone 11 Pro.

And then we might as well just go ahead and do our own Pixel 4 launch event because the internet has leaked basically everything. Then we'll hit on some OnePlus rumors and we'll finish it off with a Q&A. Let's get into it. All right, so we've actually dropped five new videos since our last scheduled episode of Waveform. Yeah, I mean, we had an unscheduled one in there, so a lot of the videos we've pretty much talked about, but... Yeah, but it's that time of year, man. It's just, it's about to be full swing. We call it hardware season, we can call it tech season, tech-tember, tech-tober, no matter what you what you call it it's underway it's about to be lit as they say so one of those was the galaxy fold video so we had uh sort of a short overview

of the fixes they had for the reinforced re-release you could call it the galaxy fold 1.1 a lot of minor things you might not even notice them if you hadn't seen the original galaxy fold but in the video we went over little caps at the end of the phone and a little more rigid hinge. But overall, it's generally the same idea, same phone, same screen, same specs, but hopefully doesn't break on day one for people. Maybe takes a little longer than that. Yeah, I think they were so proud about showing that robot

that folded it like 10,000 times, but I just really think they were so proud about showing that robot that folded it like 10,000 times, but I just really think they underestimated how much human nature were just ready to just fuck shit up. I think that's just what happens when you test a phone in a vacuum and you don't really do a whole ton of outside the lab testing. And most of this was because they wanted to keep it a secret, which they successfully did. But then you have people testing it for the first time, which are reviewers and people trying to publish what they find about it. And they just start breaking in ways

that they didn't account for. So hopefully this one doesn't do the same thing. I actually kind of have a feeling, and I mentioned it in the video, that these are still going to break. Like it's still a fragile phone. And the number one thing I think is going to break, if I were to make a prediction right now,

if I was betting, the thing that's going to break for regular people who actually buy this is the screen, just the soft plastic front of it. It's way too soft. Yeah. So the hinge might not be a problem anymore because they did reinforce that. But I think that soft plastic is still a little bit of a barrier for it. Yeah, I think one of the people, one of the reviewers that broke it was mentioning how their fingernails started to cut into it. And I think in the video we show that when you open it up now, it tries to tell you to tap it lightly.

But it probably also tells you not to drop the phone, but everyone drops their phone. So it's going to happen. You're going to tap the screen. It's going to start breaking. How long would you give it? Well, someone's going to break it on day one because Zach's going to get his. Okay, well, I can't wait for that for one. I think he's going to have to order 10 of them.

That teardown is going to be fun to watch. But yeah, no, I mean, it's out there now and people are going to start to use them and people are going to spend $1,980 and get their folding phone. And that's, on one hand, really exciting that we live in that world now, that people are going to start buying and using folding phones. But on the other hand, yeah, still a fragile phone. But it's out there now. We've shown the update.

You guys can take the risk if you want, but there's, of course, plenty of choice. And then we also showed this week the Asus ROG Phone 2. It's the spec king, and we've seen this on paper. This phone, if you've watched the video, you already know, it's sort of a small design iteration from last year, but the specs are sick. It's a Snapdragon 855+, which is the highest-end non-Apple-made silicon. It's 12 gigs of fast RAM.

It is up to a terabyte, and this is going to be available later this year. You can have a half a terabyte now, but up to a terabyte of UFS 3.0 storage, which is fast storage That's already an insane spec sheet. Then on top of that you have a 6,000 milliamp hour battery That's the biggest battery I've ever used in the phone You also have a headphone jack You have a 48 megapixel main camera and you have 120 hertz oled display on the front so it's got a lot going for it on paper the question was just does it translate

well to real life everyone in our comments forever has been saying well duh specs but they usually do translate pretty well i mean something that is a perfect translator is battery oh yeah um unless you're comparing an iphone to an android phone pretty much among all android phones you can get a pretty good idea if it says 2800 milliamp hours and it's got a giant high refresh rate screen it's not going to last very long if it's a 6000 milliamp hour battery it's just going to last a much longer time so this phone um i don't want to spoil anything but i feel like this one's a lock for battery champ of yeah we've talked about this we've talked about a couple smartphone award things and it's hard to but

i can't see this one losing i can't see it losing battery i'm also thinking it's probably up for best big phone of the year just because when you think of like an actually great use of space the phone is not over it's huge right but it's not overly uh cumbersome and impossible to use and they managed to stuff like everything you could possibly put in a phone in it so possible best use to use a big space too is this is a good phone it's under the radar yeah um but it's i think there's some there are a couple issues with bands in the u.s right right yeah they're the u.s versions are coming later later and they're actually, I think, like I said, the terabyte version isn't shipping

for a couple more weeks, but I think when it does get to the U.S., people will find it a pretty great option. I'll be super excited the first time I see one of them out in the wild. It's not my daily driver anymore, though. No, no, oh. I switched back to the OnePlus 7 Pro.

Okay. And the biggest thing I miss from the Asus ROG Phone 2 is the gigantic battery. But the biggest advantage of the OnePlus 7 Pro is the warp charging. So I actually, you know, I do find myself running through battery a bit faster. Instead of being at 60% around today, like this time of day, I'd be at like 40%. But I'll just plug in on the, on the car ride home and I'll be back up to like 70, 80, 90. Yeah. And I'm good. We're definitely in the world where someone has a charger almost everywhere. So it is really easy

to not have to last a day, but it definitely, that 6,000 milliamp hour battery is nice to like, I'm not that worried about fast charging. If I know literally the only time I have to plug it in is when I go to bed at night. Honestly, it changed the way like it changed the way I used chargers, that phone, like every phone I pretty much ever use. I'm constantly thinking about when am I going to be able to plug in? Maybe it's a bit unhealthy, but like that's just what I'm thinking about this phone. I was like, all right, it's the biggest battery I've ever used. Let's see how good it really is.

I'm going to decide to use it extra hard and I'm going to not charge it even when I can. So on the way to work, I just have a car charger like sitting there waiting to plug in for my GPS and just put it right next to the charger and I didn't plug it in. And I just went the whole day without ever plugging anything in.

And yeah, like you saw in the video, I was ending the day with like half battery left after just crushing it. So yeah, that phone is, it's great. But I did end up switching back because I'm a bit more of a fan of the Oxygen OS experience and 90 hertz versus 120. Could you, have you looked at the 120 hertz display? Just a tad, not too much.

And I'm also only, I'm using a Pixel 3, so I'm not used to really having my high refresh rate on my phone. Okay, so you're ready. You're ready for a high refresh rate screen. I'm so ready. I could kind of, sort of, sort of tell the difference between 120 hertz and 90. And I can definitely tell the difference between 90 and 60. Yeah. Major difference.

I think that's the bigger jump. I think we've talked about it before. Oh, a lot. Yeah. This is my biggest gripe with the new the, the new note is like, everything's great about that phone, but I can see the difference between 60 and 90. And if the note 10 was a 90 Hertz display, I would have loved that thing. I probably would still be using it. Yeah. Would you be, so every year I feel like I work here, I've always found you, you go back and forth between one plus and pixel that usually once

you get into a daily driver thing, Samsung sneaks in sometimes, but I'm so used to you using OnePlus because it's so fast than being mad about camera going back to Google. But I can confirm here that he's been using OnePlus for a very long time. Yeah. So the OnePlus 7 Pro came out in March or something like that, March or April,

and it's been more or less my primary Android phone since then. I'll test other phones and I'll end up going back to it. Yeah. Since then. Probably the longest I've seen you with one phone that wasn't being tested before switching, which is saying a lot. I think the real, the real driver for that is it's, it was first to 90 Hertz. And every time I had to switch back to another phone, it was a phone that didn't have 90 hertz and that's just what it came down to but we're gonna have a bunch more options later this year so that's exciting that's very exciting uh anyway we also have all of our iphone videos this week but we'll touch up on that a little bit later um do you have any uh any any videos or some content you thought was worth sharing specifically

in the last two weeks yeah uh so since we're on a podcast why not talk about a podcast and why not talk about a podcast from another creator perfect yeah uh so two people we love phil defranco and casey nice that uh they joined in on phil defranco's podcast episode uh a convo with i think is the yeah i like it so he's doing uh he's he's doing a video podcast but also distributing it like an audio podcast but if you want to like watch the video version it's it's usually a pretty good like extra bit to see the video talk the video is cool like i don't think you're missing anything but the set set for one is fantastic yeah uh it's really well done it's cutting back and forth really nicely they have a great setup but i just really

enjoyed i feel like so many people get casey on and it's so easy to just talk about his daily vlogging and everything but phil phil and them have talked so many times that they went a lot deeper into just what his life is like outside of being a creator and now that he's an la kid yeah now that well he keeps phil keeps calling him a former youtube star now that he's not daily vlogging yeah there's one story in particular about uh how he how it's tough as a creator to talk poorly about things and how he had this video where he was gonna like expose this restaurant that he really likes when it wasn't really that bad but it's just this hilarious story about how he knows so much about maple syrup and he ordered

this 12 waffle that had maple syrup pure maple syrup and he knew it wasn't pure maple syrup and he ran all these tests to prove that it wasn't maple syrup and he was about to release the video and he felt too bad about the restaurant so that's such a casey video i know it sounds hilarious i wish i could see it um i just pictured him like slamming a jar of syrup down on the top-down set and shoving a meter into it to measure the sugar content. That's hilarious. Yeah, I know. I saw part of it.

I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but that's awesome. It's worth it. Just a lot of really fun stories. Nice. I also got a little piece. So John Rettinger, another tech YouTuber who's done a lot of great stuff, he's been on a rampage of these incredibly thoughtful, not necessarily reviews, but just like thought pieces

about the tech world lately. And his big one, which was cinematographically, it was shot really well. His last video was, what if there was no iPhone 11? But mainly just like, what if Apple went bankrupt at any of the points in history where they were close to getting like really put under? And there's a couple, you know, major points in history he goes over in that video that are just fascinating to think about. I did cameo in this video, so maybe I'm a little biased. If you watch that intro, I'm in there.

little biased if you watch that intro i'm in there um but it's a it's a great piece to just sort of ponder uh you know what would have happened if apple wasn't the most powerful company in the world right now yeah it's it's like story-based which is really cool because we don't see that in this tech niche that much um and it's just great to have a breath of fresh air on something a little different and yes it shot beautifully is that like an airbnb that like all kinds of sets yeah that like refrigerator and stuff and everything just look set design goes a long way i also want to say like i i've been immersed in that world of retro tech for the past couple months now that we've been shooting it and i'm definitely not going to spoil what it is but one of the episodes has a lot to do with a lot of what John talked about.

And yeah, the storytelling and just that story in general about that period in time with Apple is really fascinating. So go check that out. And a little plug for Retro Tech coming in December, which is just, what, two short months away now? It's coming up. It's going to feel like in a week when we're just busting out. You're going to be watching a bunch of modern tech videos and then suddenly, boom, retro tech right at the end of the year. It's going to be great. Okay. Well, yeah, that's a good little two-setter for content to check out for the last two weeks.

Here's what I want to talk about. I'm sure you do. Here's what I want to talk about. Porsche versus Tesla part two. Okay. So we went over. You guys, you were probably listening to the last episode of the podcast where we talked about Porsche Taycan. I'm trying to say it correctly now.

Porsche Taycan is the way I'm supposed to be saying it. I keep saying Taycan. Taycan. I don't say Porsche. Taycan. I have it. Porsche, Porsche. But we all saw that announcement,

and I don't even know if I can say that they technically took any shots at Tesla on stage, but everybody knew that every time they compare themselves to air quotes, the competition, they were talking about Tesla model. It wasn't the Chevy Volt. It wasn't the Chevy Volt. They didn't really make any Nissan Leaf jabs on stage. They were kind of going squarely at their high performance cousin. Um, so that happened and you know, there's kind of silence and there's a little bit of, you know, people tagging Elon like, hey, what do you got to say about Porsche? And

I think he did say something like, yeah, why did you put turbo in the name? I don't think that word means what you think it means, obviously, in this electric car battle. But of course, the competitive nature of a competitive CEO just couldn't stay inside and he had to start making moves and I'm sure a lot of this was hush-hush for a while but now they're officially working on some new hardware for Tesla and I would probably call this a refresh yeah um to take on the Taycan to take to take the Taycan to take on the type to make to take the Taycan, to take on the Tay, to make moves. So here's where I'll start.

Porsche was bragging about their lap time about the Nürburgring, right? 13 mile track, something like that. Very, very long lap, difficult for an electric car to lap without coolant kicking in and limiting performance. So they set their record around the Nürburgring and a lot of people turn their heads back to Tesla like, yeah, well, what are you going to do? The Porsche is going to be better at driving around tracks than you. Yeah, we talked about it in the episode where we talked about this, that Tesla hasn't been able to do it because it's a grueling track. Yeah, and a huge car. So Elon tweets that the

Model S is going to the Nurburgring. OK, like when you a lot of people don't realize this about these track runs is you don't just show up in your car and just go and time yourself like this is a this is an officially timed thing. You hire a professional driver who knows the course well so that he can set your optimal lap time. the course well so that he can set your optimal lap time if you go look at the the best lap times around i think it's both laguna seca and nurburgring but if you look at laguna seca's top like 30 lap times about 15 or 20 of them are set by the same one guy oh really in a bunch of different cars which is fascinating because this person knows the ins and outs of that track so these race car drivers are hired to go drive and set the best possible lap time in that car.

So Elon tweets this, Model S going to Nürburgring next week. And then a bunch of articles come out afterwards like, Tesla doesn't have a reservation or any sort of setup or scheduling to actually do this. So if they're doing a record run, Nürburgring doesn't know about it, which is kind of a perfectly elon thing to happen oh yeah uh but then short shortly thereafter this the shorter track called laguna seca am i saying that right i'm gonna just mispronounce a lot of things during this i think

laguna is right all right well it's so laguna seca is a shorter track it's about a minute and a half to lap maybe up to two minutes and he shows a model S lapping Laguna Seca in a record for a four-door car, one minute, 36 seconds. The tweet is actually from the Tesla account this time. And they, let me actually read the tweet because I was, we were in the airport when this tweet came up and I've been sort of just on the fence about whether or not Tesla is going to refresh their cars. And then I saw this in my timeline, so let me read it. So the tweet is, Some personal news.

We've lapped Laguna Seca in 1 minute 36.555 seconds during advanced R&D testing of our Model S plaid powertrain and chassis prototype. That's one second faster than the record for a four-door sedan. And you can see this video of a of a you know like the drivers from the driver's perspective and through the front of the car and if you squint you can see there's a model three steering wheel on this car and there's a driver in a helmet assuming not his first lap but he's doing this crazy fast lap and i'm reading this i'm like what what is a plaid power train and a chassis prototype what What's going on here?

This is when we were sitting in the Austin airport because San Francisco is a nightmare to fly out of right now. Absolutely wrecked. Yeah, so we're just like completely exhausted sitting in this airport. Marquez is like, wait, they just did Laguna Seca? Wait, it's a Model 3 steering wheel? Wait, what is this weird badge on the back?

There's a lot of questions raised from that. I tweeted at them. I didn't get any answers, but I'm like, what is a Plaid powertrain? Is this different from my current powertrain? It turns out when you look into it, so during the Roadster reveal, which was really the semi-truck reveal,

but the Roadster reveal of the new Roadster, they talked about the Plaid powertrain being triple motors, two motors in the back, one in the front for the Roadster. That's how it goes Plaid, which is just another word for faster than ludicrous mode. Yeah, it's a Spaceballs reference if you're not aware of it. So I see all these tweets and I start looking up and it turns out there's rumors that there's a Model S with a Plaid triple motor powertrain. And they're testing this triple motor Model S with an updated sort of racing style, not racing style, but a slightly modified chassis that will eventually

be a spec that you can buy. So this is, I'm going to say this is a direct response to Porsche. Like I can't like verify any of this. None of this is directly referencing Porsche, I can't like verify any of this. None of this is directly referencing Porsche. But once you have the shot fired of the Taycan and the lap times and this being the clear obvious advantage for the Porsche, and then Tesla comes back with their still much cheaper car,

but them saying, hey, look, we're going to do lap times now and we're going to set records with our lap times. And I think even some people were tweeting at Elon trying to get more information about it. And he said something about this is going to be faster than but cheaper than the competition. He didn't say what, quote, the competition is. But I'm going to say that's the Porsche. So I think we have competition to thank for this.

For sure. I'm sure they've been developing it, obviously, for a while. But it's way too coincidental that the laps start coming out right here So this is perfect timing So there's actually some spy shots of I guess some people took some telephoto shots through a fence of what they saw was some Testing of what was going on so sort of behind the scenes of that Tesla tweet of advanced R&D testing and there's a red Tesla Model S Looks like a normal model s at first but if you squint

a little bit on the back they have a p100d plus badge which is kind of weird because they stopped using the p100d yeah uh name they just put dual motor and performance on the back now but p100d plus so that would assume better than the current p100d um but still 100 kilowatt hour battery, I guess. And it's got a bit of a bigger spoiler for more downforce. It's got a bigger air intake right above the front splitter, much bigger. And it's got these big tires on the back. And I'm assuming a slightly lighter chassis, but big, big tires that sort of flare out on the back for better traction. So this is a full-on new plaid spec for Model S.

And to top it all off, Elon tweeted, and this is sort of a good news, bad news situation. Yeah. He tweeted that it's coming up at the end of next year, October, November 2020. And here's my theory. And I hate that this is the theory, but it's probably true. We were kind of all assuming the Roadster 2020 was delayed. It wasn't coming out in 2020.

Now we pretty much know it's not. It's coming out after the Plaid Model S and Model X. That's confirmed because didn't he reply to one of your tweets that Roadster would be after Plaid Model Train? Yeah, so there's going to be a Model S and Model X that get a certain, slightly more expensive, but still less expensive than Porsche, Plaid Power Train. That will be at the end of next year. And then Roadster Plaid Power Train will come after that, which means if they're starting production at the end of next year, I don't expect to see Roadster at all in 2020. Unless it sneaks in in December just to spite you, which is go ahead, Elon, spite him. I'm sure he won't mind. Please spite me. Please ruin my prediction and come out at the end of 2020. But yeah, I don't expect that. So there's all kinds of crazy back and forths happening now with Porsche and Tesla. There's also rumors that Tesla finally did

circuit the Nürburgring. And this is this is purely rumors at this point. I don't think there's any sort of confirmation. But so the record time set by the Taycan was seven minutes and 42 seconds. The rumored time set by the Plaid Model S was seven minutes, 23 seconds. So that's 20 seconds faster, which is not a small amount of time for an improvement so that's just generally great for electric cars to be making strides this quickly forward um it's bad news that the roadster is delayed but also he's tweeted that it's definitely i think he said absolutely going to beat the all-time record for a production car around the nurburgring which is

like six minutes and 44 seconds or something wild like that. So yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just a jumbling of good news and bad news all in the name of competition. I'm just happy the competition's pushing things forward. But sad you're losing Roadster for possibly another year? Yeah, I think I'd already kind of given up hope. So it doesn't hit me as hard as it would have if this was the first time I'd suspected it was delayed. But yeah, it's just a whole spiral of news. That's all right. So now that you've dug yourself into the delayed roadster depression, let's talk about some phones before you get too sad. Sure.

So do you want to let everyone know how the iPhone is treating you and then maybe dive into this swimming pool filled by Pixel 4 leaks? Yes. Let's get into that right after this break. swimming pool filled by pixel four leaks yes let's get into that right after this break bet mgm authorized gaming partner of the nba has your back all season long from tip off to the final buzzer you're always taken care of with a sportsbook born in vegas that's a feeling you can only get with bet mgm and no matter your team, your favorite player, or your style, there's something every NBA fan will love about BetMGM. Download the app today and discover why BetMGM is your basketball home for the season.

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But we were waiting to save it for an unboxing, so I actually didn't open it and didn't get to see it. It's much less green than I thought. And even the video we made, it's so hard to tell what it actually looks like until you see it in person because it changes based on lighting and whatnot. It's definitely way more gray than i than green from what i was expecting yeah you can't really put too much i mean a lot of people are just going to put a case on it anyway so whatever but yeah it does it's one of those finishes that looks different in different lights comes off a little more gray sometimes comes off a little more green, but the iPhone 11 Pros are in, the reviews are in,

the focus of the phone is pretty much the camera. That's the main thing that we're focusing on. That's a pun, by the way. I'm just going to keep saying it over and over. So that was the focus of the review is the camera. That's our focus. The camera, it's the focus. Okay. Anyway. So I think the main question that pretty much everyone has is, are these cameras the best in any phone now? Are they better than the Pixel? Are they better than Samsung? Are they better than Huawei?

For me, in daylight, I mean, you can watch the review, but I think in daylight, this takes the best photos now of any smartphone. I think it's sort of a coin flip if it's actually better than the Pixel sometimes in regular standard daylight, but it's pretty much A plus quality. And then you get into lower light and the night mode is where things begin to stratify again. And I think you can basically, you can tell now, and I think, man, the night mode sort of bracket that we do of the blind smartphones is going to be really interesting because they are much more different from each other at night. The pixel at night really tends to over-exaggerate bringing things into light.

It'll basically turn night into day. It'll turn the black sky a little brighter into blue. It'll crank every light it possibly can and saturate everything. And it's this really dramatic, crazy photo. And the effect is really cool. But the iPhone, on the other hand, is doing a much more, I guess, responsible job of not blowing out every sort of detail it's mainly just combining these

longer exposures to make things more visible and more detailed and not crank up the sharpness and detail and saturation yeah so it still feels like a nighttime photo rather exactly exactly so i mean if you put them side by side you're going to, the pixel, it's just way brighter on the pixel. It's clearly done a better job with night mode. But the more you pixel peep and inspect, you can do crazy stuff by editing the iPhone's photo, which some people are into. But there's all sorts of other preferences people may have. So I'm going to leave that up to the blind smartphone camera test when we actually get to it. But I think the difference between these cameras is more apparent in night mode and in daytime, especially in videos.

This thing takes amazing 4K videos. I have not taken any slow motion selfies yet. Say it. I don't want to. I'm not going to say it. But yeah, that's where we're at so far with the cameras. So it's been pretty great. I highly advise watching the review. That's where we're at so far with the cameras. So it's been pretty great. I highly advise watching the review.

That's where the opinions are. So I think we have a couple of Pixel leaks to talk about. A few. A couple. Like one or two photos, some blurry photos. Oh, one or two. Actually, one article title was, here are 21 more photos of the Google Pixel 4. I think I'm enjoying Pixel leaks just because of the titles

of articles at this point it's pretty funny this sort of leak versus promo culture that we're in like right at this very moment especially with the pixel is fascinating to me like if you look back so yes the pixel remember the pixel 3 leaks yeah phone leaked so much, you basically didn't have to go on stage and say anything. You could just go, yep, here's the price, buy. They didn't actually have to do any announcement. And there's no Pixel 3 Ultra. Yeah, they could have just done that, and we would have been like, all right, confirmed, everything is true.

And it kind of feels like that waterfall of leaks has been surpassed yet again with Pixel 4. But in a much stranger way this year, I feel like. The one thing that kind of confused everyone is when we first started getting those little bit of leaks, Google's just like, oh, here you go. This is what it looks like. And it was back in June they tweeted about it. So there was the rumors of the quad camera back or the camera square on the back.

And they just went, you know what? Here's a picture. This is the back of the phone. Now use this image for the rest of your talking about the phone. This is it. And we went, wow, that's crazy. Google's embracing the leak culture by leaking it themselves. That's not what's happening, but okay, we'll just go with that. But now, now we've seen a literal, like a 10 minute Vietnamese unboxing and review video of the entire phone a month before it comes out? Yes, it quieted down a bunch. I wonder if people just weren't looking. I don't know. We just didn't have that many leaks. And then I think I talked about article titles

before nine to five. Google has these. I'm going to read two article titles that are like six days apart. Number one one fewer leaks and far less hype is it bad for the google pixel 4 that was september 6th on september 13th actually i think google pixel 4 is leaked enough now thanks that's less than a week later oh my god i don't know what happened whatever damn was holding back the leaks didn't just start it just leaking more fucking michael bay came in and blew it the hell up yeah the doors are off man everything you need to know about the phone the design the way it looks the features looks like we know it's 90 hertz the android 10 feature

specific stuff like the coral colorway i actually love that there was um there's so many leaks now you just sort of read a headlining you're like, oh, now we know something new about the phone. There was a headline about how Google has confirmed the coral color of the phone in a Times Square ad. And you're like, all right, we knew there was a coral color. Google just puts a picture of the phone in Times Square on a billboard. And we kind of riffed back and forth on that on Twitter for a little bit. Like Google accidentally just reveals everything about the phone before it comes out. Like Google talks about, Neelya's reply was Google accidentally reveals Pixel 5 on stage during Pixel 4 event.

Yeah, they didn't exactly do a great job. Do you think this is intentional? That's my question. Honestly, no, but like I don't blame people for thinking it is i mean you you have a bunch of leaks that come out right around the apple event it's it's it's hard you would like to think that that's intentional but i'm gonna i'm gonna go ahead and say it i don't think it is i don't i honestly don't i think anyone who can plan that well would probably put more than six gigs of ram in the pixel floor but oh okay so here's here's a perfect here's what i think it they tried to do one thing and it ended up being another thing so the pixel leaked a lot last year so they probably went behind the scenes and they were like

all right guys the phone's gonna start to leak and then what we're gonna do is we're gonna be these social geniuses and we're gonna just start embracing leak culture and leaking the phone ourselves and posting promo images and that'll get people culture and leaking the phone ourselves and posting promo images and that'll get people hyped and it'll be perfect and it'll go hand in hand and at the event, we'll make some joke on stage about how you might've seen this before and then it'll go great.

Everyone will love it. And then everything about the phone leaked before they got to say anything. And I think what they were trying to do is kind of what OnePlus does. If you've noticed the past, I think like three generations of phones now, OnePlus basically says everything about their phone before it comes out. But they do this sort of a slow dribble of like one spec at a time every couple of days. And they'll give an official source like their CEO

or their official account will just tweet or say a new spec or a new thing to keep people talking about the phone. Yeah, it keeps it in the cycle. Exactly. It keeps it on your mind. It keeps it in the headlines. One day you'll see, oh, OnePlus 7 Pro will have something about a smooth focus. And you're like, ooh, I think that means it's going to be higher refresh rate. Oh, interesting.

Cool. And then the next day they'll be like, oh, it'll have up to 12 gigs of RAM. And now there's a new article about how the OnePlus 7 Pro might have 12 gigs of RAM. Then the next day they're like, we have a special charging solution. And you're like, ooh, I wonder what that is. And you just keep talking about the phone

and talking about the phone. I think that's probably what Google would have wanted to do with Pixel 4. And they had, you know, that little ad that they shared a video of, like, a gesture of, like, swiping on, like, kind of what LG did, like waving your hand in front of the phone. I bet they planned on sharing that once something about the top bezel leaked. They would have been like, trust me, it's for a good reason.

But, dude, everything, it's so out there now. You can't hide anything. Yeah, I have a hard time believing that they coordinated some Vietnamese channel for a good reason. But dude, everything, it's so out there now. You can't hide anything. Yeah, I have a hard time believing that they coordinated some Vietnamese channel to get the phones and do entire, like we're at a whole nother level where we're not just getting,

what was it last year? Wasn't it like someone in Russia got a bunch of like black market prototypes of it? It kinda almost did go this far. I remember there was actually review, there were multiple reviews of the phone in other languages before the phone actually came out i don't know if it was a month before the phone came out one of that it's like it's really a month before the phone's supposed to be i remember some like quick videos these this whatever this vietnamese channel

is i don't know who they are but they know what they're doing these aren't these are sit down framed up videos with a purpose and they're just reviewing the phone and we're getting to look through all the settings and i remember back in my day leaks were just a half resolution blurry photo of the back of someone's hand i remember when that's when i remember it was an insane insane story that someone left an iPhone in a bar. One iPhone. One iPhone. And they got the cops called on them.

And it was a whole dramatic deal. And it involved a whole company getting blacklisted. And now it's just outpour. Just a constant downpour. It's basically like standing in the rain. If leaks in 2009 were like a faucet leaking a little bit of water, just when you thought you turned it off, but there's a little bit extra going through the leaks for a new phone in September, 2019 are like standing outside in the rain with no jacket on and just getting dumped

on. So speaking of leaks, I think one of the most curious things we're trying to figure out with this new pixel that hasn't already been leaked is this new camera system. I've mentioned this before. Pretty much everyone now has an ultrawide camera. And up until the last month, it was just Apple and Google as the main big ones that didn't have an ultrawide. So now that Apple has an ultrawide, what's the rumor on the Pixel's camera system? I don't think so. I still don't think so. Still no ultrawide. No. I mean, so there is a new leak. There's some photo of a guy taking a picture out his window,

which also, if you're taking a picture outside of the place that you work, you're probably just dead on giving away who's leaking this. But I digress. Oh, this is a leak? I'm assuming. I mean, it's something I've seen. It's so hard for me to keep track of where all these leaks are coming from but there's a photo of a guy taking a picture of buildings outside his window okay and you can see in the corner the little slider in the camera app and

it slid all the way to the right and it just says eight times on it okay so people are now speculating some sort of eight times zoom i don't know if that's digital zoom on top of it or yeah if you zoom into 8x you can zoom into 8x on the iphone and it'll say 8x but that's a software zoom from a 2x lens so i guess this is just sort of people are hoping guessing i'm hoping i was man i was hoping for an ultra wide obviously but now if it's a telephoto i hope it's at least 3x yeah i hope it's something more than just 2x because we've talked about in the iphone stuff how the 2x isn't that fun i mean i can rant for i've probably ranted already about this at least in a video or maybe

in a podcast or maybe just twitter but you can fake a telephoto with software you can't really fake it an ultra wide unless you get an ultra wide lens they have the ultra wide on the front for crying out loud like they know how useful the ultra wide stuff is. And they're actually one of the first and best to do the ultra wide on the front. So I'm kind of shocked. I really, that's the thing is I don't want to keep holding out hope. Like maybe it is an ultra wide because I feel like we kind of know everything about the phone already now, but that's kind of a strange thing for them to choose. We talked about how two phones, Apple and Google are the ones without ultra wide. I fully expected pixel to have it first. And I hope for pixel to have it first because we like it so much, but I don't know. So do you think this is going to be your next phone

since you've been on pixel three and you haven't experienced higher refresh rates yet? This will be like your first higher refresh rate phone, the natural upgrade from the pixel three. I think it's hard to say no. Yeah. Yeah, it'll definitely, yeah, it will be. Okay. I think what, so 90 Hertz is also confirmed. I think since last time we talked, I think it was still a rumor last time we talked about it, but they've gone through settings.

So it's definitely 90 Hertz, six gigs of RAM. Not bad, not great. Not bad. It's an upgrade. It's kind of weird because we just learned the iPhone has four, but like nobody's really that worried about iPhone RAM numbers. They've proven that they can stick with it. There's a couple numbers you don't have to spend

a lot of time on when it comes to iPhones, and that's battery size, RAM number, and I guess camera megapixel count. Obviously, iOS and their hardware are so well optimized that you can get away with a physically smaller battery when the pipeline is that tightly controlled. Same thing with the cameras and same thing with the ram so iphones just tend to have less ram and smaller batteries but they perform pretty well so yeah six gigs of ram on an android phone

not the best number pixels probably biggest issue with a lot of their phones is just they start slowing down and we've seen that and it's there's a good chance it's the RAM. It's some of the lowest RAM we see in a lot of the flagship Android phones. And they seem to be slowing down before a lot of other ones. So if there was a phone I would want more RAM in, it'd probably be Pixel. I'm probably still gonna get it anyways

because it works great. We're lucky and we get to use phones a little more. We get to upgrade a little more often here. I kind of wonder if the one thing we don't know about the Pixel might turn out to be the most important part of it because it feels weird saying out loud 6 gigs of RAM is not enough in a phone, but the price of the Pixel. True.

6 gigs of RAM doesn't seem like enough in a $900 phone, right? No. When you think about all the cheaper phones that have 12 gigs of RAM and all the other $1,000 phones that have at least eight gigs of RAM, usually upwards of that, six gigs on a thousand dollar, $900 phone feels like not enough. But if the Pixel 4, the highest end version is 700 bucks, then does that make it like sting a little less? Yeah, it makes it sting less.

And I mean, ultimately you're right. If you're paying $900, you want a phone that lasts a long time and higher ram is going to be better for that yes six gigs of ram is plenty for a phone but like you're future proofing you want this phone for arguably two years i think most phone contracts are two years so you want it to be and maybe i just hope i just hope android 10 does a better job of ram management you would think that that a Google-built phone would have that sort of optimization the same way Apple could, and they wouldn't need tons of RAM. And that's kind of what we were hoping with Pixel 3, but it didn't happen. So that's another thing to keep

our fingers crossed for. My other question for you is, it's definitely not going to happen this time, but do you think Pixel needs to start releasing 3a at the same time as the new? Oh, well- Or sorry, it's going to be 4a i'm assuming so right so here's the weird thing about google's timing with their phones because they're coming out in near the end of the year september october they are right at the end of the cycle for phones that are using the latest version of of qualcomm silicon snapdragon 855 yeah this is like the end of the cycle for Snapdragon 855. And then right after Pixel 4 comes out,

Snapdragon 865, right, is around the corner. So all year we've had these phones with Snapdragon 855, 855 Plus. This one's gonna come out and then boom, it's outdated. So it's kind of this weird spot to release your phone. It doesn't affect others as much because they're earlier in the year. So if they are to do Pixel 4 and Pixel 4a at the same time, I'd want them pushed a little back, like right, maybe December, which is kind of late, or maybe pushed forward so that they're not like right about to be outdated. But they are in the sort of a weird pocket in the calendar

where it feels like they're just waiting to get outdated instantly. Yeah, it just feels weird to me that people, so many people when 3A came out, they're like, Andrew, should I upgrade to the Pixel 3A? It's not an upgrade. It's new, but it's not an upgrade. Like I had friends that had the Pixel 3 and asked me if they should get the 3A. No.

It's pretty simple, but it just feels like a really weird, why are you releasing the worst model later? And just along the same lines of why not build all the hype together? Pixel 3a didn't have a lot of hype behind it when it came out. They had some commercials and whatnot, but why not just put all the hype together? So when people are going to Verizon to grab a Pixel, but they don't want to spend, hopefully not $900, but $900, they can get that smaller version. We're seeing iPhone do it now with the XR or just iPhone 11. There's a couple other companies that are doing two phone releases that came to mind. That's one

of them, iPhone 11 versus iPhone 11 Pro, all at the same time. Last year, iPhone XR came out a month after iPhone X. It was all announced at the same time. It was all announced at the same time. Slight difference in launch time. And then there's OnePlus where you have, you know, two things again sort of staggered during the year. So OnePlus 7 came out a different time from OnePlus 7 Pro. And they have a couple, I think this year they're going to have about a month between them. So there's OnePlus 7T and OnePlus 7T Pro. And just diving right into that,

they seem to just be doing the same thing they did last year, where they're slowly confirming things one by one. Those things include both of the phones now will have 90 Hertz displays. I think they're going to keep the same stratus between the prices. There's going to be a mid-range priced one

and a upper mid-range priced one careful how you exactly yes 6 6 14 6 69 I think is like upper mid-range but yeah they're gonna have they they showed the design already they show that there's gonna be a matte blue color again there's gonna be a giant camera circle with triple cameras so they're they're sort of slowly trickling the same spec leak that people were thinking about with uh with other phones and and sort of owning it yeah that circle leak is isn't that what we all thought the 7 was going to be do you remember that uh oh it was like inside some office looking at a powerpoint and some guys holding up this phone

with a big black circle on the back of it turns out they were leaking their own one plus 7t they're just they're with two steps ahead of us they're just 4d chess 4d chess man 200 iq stuff out here uh yeah no they definitely uh have a lot going for them in the in the new phones and i think it'll be interesting to see if there is a like so imagine a 90 hertz display on a one plus 7t that's like 500 bucks that's a pretty convincing you know know, Oxygen OS, Snapdragon 855, probably 8 gigs of RAM. Like you fill out the rest of the spec sheet and it seems like a pretty great deal. We'll have to see how good some of the things like camera and battery turn out, but it's really always, always that. That's what it comes down to with OnePlus, I guess, right? How good is the camera? How bad is the camera? How good is the battery? How bad is the battery? I think it's more, yeah. How okay is the camera and is it... How passable is the camera? How good is the battery? How bad is the battery? I think it's more, yeah. How okay is the camera?

And is it... How passable is the camera? Yep. How acceptable is this camera? How everyone wants their camera to be rated as passable, acceptable. Yeah. I don't know if it'll be a spectacular camera,

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So that thing you love, keep doing it. Drive your ambition. Mitsubishi Motors. All right, so we have a couple different questions about 5G. One of them at the top here is how long will it take for 5G to roll out in most cities in the world? Other people wondering about just generally why doesn't the new iPhone have 5G? Will the Pixel have 5G? will these new phones have 5G, et cetera. If you watched our 5G explained video, you'll kind of know it's not ready yet. Not close.

Even if you were to get a 5G phone today, which you can, I did, it wouldn't be the best 5G experience. You'd mainly be on 4G all the time, and by the time you did get on 5G for those like nine seconds of your day, you walk past the tower. You know, what do you download? If you happen to be downloading something at that point, it'll be great. But 5G is not ready yet. So I'm not shocked that the new iPhone doesn't have 5G. I wouldn't expect the 2020 iPhone to have 5G. I don't think so. As much as I'm expecting from that phone. I don't think 5G is one of those things. Yeah, and I feel like some people's argument is, well, I'm buying 5G now, 5G is gonna be back soon. Right, okay.

I don't know. Also, if you're the kind of person who's that excited for 5G, I bet you you're upgrading your phone before 5G actually becomes mainstream. That's exactly true. And the other thing is people don't buy their phones based on what they think might be a thing in two or three years.

They buy the phone they want now. I want to take good pictures. What takes good pictures now? Because you can always wait for the next great phone to have a better camera. So if you just want to take the best camera you have right now, you just pick the best camera you have right now. And then you buy the phone with it. Yeah, you don't need the iPhone 11 right now. Slow fees will be cool in two years. And'm sure everything else will happen that's the thing is

you're kind of right that's actually going to be a feature in like all the newest android phones no i i don't think 5g is super critical at the moment and uh in the next two years we'll start to see if it can roll out faster than it has but uh i wouldn't cross my fingers for like a one plus seven or a pixel four with 5g don't need it and if it has it you won't be using it yeah i know you typically prefer android to ios is there anything that apple could change about their software that would get you to prefer it uh interesting well there's a bunch of customization stuff right off the bat. I love my widgets. I love me some custom icon packs, all that sort of fun stuff. So that would instantly give it the edge that it has not had for a very long time. And then I guess generally the ability to have different hardware choice.

I think a lot of what I prefer about Android isn't just the software, but it's that you can pick between like a hundred phones instead of three so if you if you feel like you're cool with ios then that's great but you have really you know three or four phones to pick from right now iphone 11 11 pro 11 pro max 10r 10 i guess that's it so you you don't get a whole ton of choice meanwhile i'm over here like well i i want a high. So you don't get a whole ton of choice. Meanwhile, I'm over here like, well, I want a high refresh rate. I don't care as much about the battery because I can fast charge. I do want wireless charging. I don't care as much about waterproofing. And I'm going down the tree

of like 70 different phones I can pick from. I don't think that's something that Apple will just decide to do is make 70 different phone options. But yeah, I think those main little things of customization to make the phone look and feel and act exactly the way I want it, especially in the UI, is something that I would love to see. That's exactly how I feel in the sense of I cannot stand seeing iPhones

with the 50 buttons on the front. If you look at my phone right now, it's completely clean. I think there's five icons. Most of them are folders and then app drawer. Like I just want my front, my home screen to be completely clean. It has a clock. It has a nice looking background.

Notifications at the top. A couple buttons on the bottom. I went through a phase on Android, and this was a couple years ago, where I had a wallpaper that had like some cool designs on it. And I had absolutely no icons on my home screen. But I had invisible widgets over certain areas of the wallpaper where if I pressed like the head of the snake, it would open the camera. Like I had all these setups like I had the cleanest Android setup, man. It was super, super minimal.

I remember a certain one i had very vividly it was black and yellow and at the bottom it had a text a box that just said phone and text it wasn't an icon it was just part of the wallpaper and i had a little invisible you know widget over there i just tapped the phone text and just opened the phone i don't know something about that you can't really do that on an iphone so the customization is real. Okay, I have one from orchestra. How long do you think it will take for foldable technology to really mature to be normal and mainstream? And this is this kind of, I mean, if you look at the current first generation, I need a trajectory, I need a first gen and a second gen to like extrapolate and go forward.

I need a first gen and a second gen to like extrapolate and go forward. So right now, all I have is your first gen Huawei Mate X, your first gen Galaxy Fold, and your first gen, uh, God, what is it called? Royal FlexPi. Royal FlexPi to judge from. And, uh, if I'm just looking at that, it doesn't seem like a very fast, like next year it'll be ready to go. Like it doesn't seem like it's going to go that quickly. Maybe kind of like 5G. I might have made that exact parallel in the video. 5G is

like a folding phone. But I do think in maybe, let's give it a, let me put a number on it. Let me say in four generations, Galaxy Fold 4. Galaxy Fold 4 is mainstream folding technology. Galaxy Fold 4 is no longer an exuberant price and it is worthy of considering a main phone for a lot of people. So around 2023, if you're assuming... I think I'm pretty optimistic about this, but I think, yeah, that would be a pretty great trajectory for folding phones i think worst case scenario probably more like eight nine years before anyone or it'll just die like modular phones which is that's a i don't think it's gonna die i see it being somehow incorporated into the future okay yeah no i i think it's much more uh they both had the same

i think modular phones and folding phones have the same like positive possible outcome. But I think folding phones are much more reasonable to assume that you can attempt it and make money from it. While modular phones were kind of a scrambled business model and a difficult thing to expect one company to do well. So I think folding phones do have that future. So here's my, I like agree with with you i think it's going to take a long time but then i'm that's also how i felt about in display fingerprint sensors and okay that blew onto the scene way way quicker than i thought it was going to be i remember doing the vivo vivo next is the next 21 or the x20 it was vivo x21 then the vivo next right yeah and that was not great slow slow pretty very deliberate like press on the screen for it to work how many years ago was that two years i don't even think

three years ago not even no no it definitely wasn't three years ago i did a video of like a durability test of a fingerprint scanner and that was like basically the first scanner to be built into a retail phone that was a vivo phone what year was that one year ago was the unboxing that was one year ago oh wait or less than two years ago probably a year and change february 2018 i see is when that video came out of when we went to that hotel and like actually used the indisplay fingerprint reader for the first time that's febru of 2018 okay that is less than two years ago and that's good it's gotten pretty impressive we're getting to the point where they're now now not just like very fast and in a lot of phones but they're

expanding so you have bigger areas on the screen that's what I'm hoping for yeah I would love to see and I think this is the general path of the advancement. And there was even a prototype phone that did this, but of like a large area on the bottom of the phone. So I don't have to land it on the exact like spot in the middle of the icon every time. I don't have to memorize that placement. It'll kind of become muscle memory

of just like touching somewhere on the bottom third of the phone. And the fingerprint sensor is big enough to just read your finger in high resolution anywhere you put it. That's the third of the phone, and the fingerprint sensor is big enough to just read your finger in high resolution anywhere you put it. That's the dream of the future. I think that's an expensive part still. For sure.

It's literally a CMOS sensor, I think, at this point. So still pretty tough. I don't know if ultrasonic is going to have that same possibility. We'll see. But yeah, you're right. The acceleration of in-display fingerprint readers is optimistic.

Yeah, I feel like you would have had a similar answer if in February 2018 someone said, where do you see in-display fingerprint sensors becoming a mainstream? I wouldn't. Ah, interesting. I think, I obviously can't look backwards in time, but I think if you asked me after that 2018 video, where do you see this going forward?

I think I probably would have said like, in five years, all the phones will have this. We're almost there. It's two years in and we're kind of at like almost saturation for in display fingerprint readers. A couple more phones left to go, notably the iPhone and the Pixel, but we're close. Oh, here's another question from Adrian Sorbo.

Does your team know what the k stands for yes and that's where that ends also some of the same person i think asked how just for you how how does the pixel compare with the note not a creep just someone that's watched your streams in parentheses yeah i know i remember adrian i haven't streamed in forever and i'm'm, yeah, I don't really plan on doing it anytime soon. But how does it compare? I loved my Note 8. One thing I'm still surprised about with my Note 8

is I didn't put a case on that. That's got to be easily the most breakable phone I've ever owned. Didn't put a case on it. Glass sandwich. Just had a skin on it. And it survived. I've never been more proud. and then the minute i got my pixel 3 i'm like no way i can do this again for another year and put a case on it instantly um biggest biggest difference obviously is the camera um i run max instagram account that's my real full-time job

mkbhd is second So I need to have a better camera. So Pixel really brought it up there. If you're not following Mac, also, I don't think I've ever mentioned in this podcast. Mac's full-time. We haven't talked about Mac at all. Yeah. Mac is the dog. If you're not aware, he's been in lots of our videos. His Instagram handle is pictures of Mac. Yep. i spend a lot of time on it people always are like he's so photogenic he's not he's really not um he's adorable he's a good looking dog you know generally but it's it takes a lot of effort to get a good picture of i see um and we if you see those camera tests that we post on on our videos there's a lot of treats being

given out behind them so he's fattening up a bit have you noticed at all a difference between like on the instagram account of uh note photos versus pixel photos but if i went back you could tell specifically and i mean it's also it's a year difference it was no eight and then i hopped to pixel three so it's kind of like how everyone right now is comparing iPhone 11 to Pixel 3. I saw this great meme of like these two guys running and it's just like iPhone 11's on one side looking all sweaty and there's this guy just busting ass behind him

and it's just like Pixel 4 saying, look ahead on your left and about to pass him. So it's hard to compare the two. I totally miss the screen. I think I would say Pixel, or I was thinking of this recently. Note 9 might be my favorite looking phone because it has no notch.

The bezels don't upset me at all. The screen's incredible. Yeah. Yeah, that's honestly the number one thing I always miss when I leave a note is just the form factor and the display and the awesome color of it even if it's not high refresh rate it just looks incredible yeah so so yeah so pixel best advantage of it was the camera biggest thing you're missing is the screen yeah actually i really do like all the swipe gestures and stuff

that they added the taking away back button and stuff. I've gotten really used to that, and I really enjoy it. So I think I'm going to keep going Pixel until they upset me. Maybe 6 gigs of RAM upsets me, but I have a feeling I'll just be at Pixel for a while. Oh, wait, actually, I don't like the forehead on Pixel 4. Yeah, now that I've seen it more in detail in the videos, it's looking pretty bad yeah big forehead i'll get used to it i got used to this terrible notch that is the pixel 3 but it's one of those things where like some you can get used to it that's fine but that doesn't mean i have to admit it looks good i don't think it looks good it's it's kind of the

same as like the iphone back and there's also i think something to like seeing something in a video or photo versus holding in your hand where it's like made of glass and you feel the weight of it and there's just something about that that makes it more tangible but yeah it doesn't look great no no not at all just had to throw that out there we we didn't talk about that in the pixel leaks before but big forehead no chin no bueno someone named lamb lambest meme asked what phone would you rather see a higher refresh rate on the 2020 galaxy devices or the 2020 ios devices i'm going to rephrase that i'm going to say if you were betting okay who do you think would first embrace a high refresh rate screen the iphone or the samsung phone i have an answer well yeah no i have an answer i have like a reason why both of them would do it i'd be curious to hear your reason for apple my reason is

samsung for sure and my reason is sam already makes, physically makes, high refresh rate OLED displays for other companies' phones. So that's, it's funny because that's sort of my answer for the iPhone is they already have the iPad Pro that has a higher refresh rate. Right. But then the other argument is the new iPhone doesn't come till next September and we're going to get two new Samsung flagships between now and then. So even if the 2020 iPhone does have a higher refresh rate, which I really hope it does, they should be a Note 11 and an S11 between now and then. And those both have a shot at higher refresh rate.

And I'm pretty sure they could pull one of those off. Let's just hope both of them have it. Let's just hope they all have it and we don't have to have an argument about them. But yeah, those are the last two holdouts, it seems, in the super high-end thousand dollar phone camp and uh i'm hoping they both they both just get on the get on the train i know someone from one of those companies is listening to this just put the damn just go ahead and do it please please go ahead okay favorite car that's not a

tesla let's just go let's go favorite car that's not tesla and is it is it ev i want to hear a non-ev answer right my answer is stupid my answer is really dumb okay okay and this is like none of this is relatable at all because my only the only cars i've ever driven are a toyota camry hybrid that i owned before this a tesla model s 2100d, an Acura NSX supercar, and a McLaren 720S. Those are the cars that I've driven for more than a week, personally. So my favorite non-Tesla is a McLaren 720S. That's such a stupid answer. It's your favorite car.

We're not saying... Yeah, it's not like I would rather drive that right now. If the Tesla didn't exist, that's not what I would pick, obviously. But that is my favorite non-Tesla that I've driven, for sure. Yeah. So I'm a little different. I drive a Subaru Impreza because I love its all-wheel drive. I've really grown to like Subaru a lot.

Definitely for a while, like an STI is my dream car, was my dream car. Was your dream car. Was my dream car. I think the STI is like is my dream car was my dream car uh was your dream car was my dream car i think the sti is like my reasonable dream car it's expensive but it's not like it's not 720s yeah yeah yeah um i have to say though like if i had to go dream dream car i really enjoyed that nsx we drove probably because of it still drove like a regular car when you wanted it to. You know, it's funny. It didn't feel like. It had like almost the same steering wheel as that Acura MDX.

Like a big car that I guess basically borrowed when my car was being fixed. But yeah, all-wheel drive. That was a very drivable two-door. Yeah, it felt normal like driving it around when you weren't pushing it to its limits. Like you drove it around on a track, but driving it, I got to drive it to and from the track, which was way too much fun. And yeah, it just drove really, really nicely. Whereas a 720S, as cool as it is, like I can't imagine it's fun to like hit parking lots

or speed bumps or something like that. There's another thing though, it is kind of actually better than normal this is all incredibly not relatable but we drove the lamborghini adventador lp 400 or something whatever it's called for a couple days when we were in palm beach for a video about it for autofocus that car is legitimately annoying to drive it is not fun if you're going around at like normal speeds and first and second gear and you try to tap on the gas to go forward, it lurches you. And then you slow back down and it lurches you forward. Trying to reverse and do a K-turn in that car, it's just not fun. I guess K-turns aren't fun, but whatever.

You get the idea. It's not a great experience. So the McLaren, by comparison, was very drivable. I will say that. The typical first gear lurching was not happening. It was much smoother. I could do K-turns and reverses, and I'm just throwing it back and forth. And as a daily car, got into my driveway, it was a reasonable drive.

So I guess that step between the Aventador, which I guess I have driven that too. That car was stupid, man. And the McLaren 720Ss that's pretty sweet I've actually I will I'll throw one more thing out there um McLaren makes a couple different GT cars and the McLaren 570 GT before I got my Tesla when we were I guess making a video back back in the day when we were trying to make a video um with Karma, actually. Okay. And we went down and they had that garage full of McLarens and there was like a P1.

We just kicked the tires of a giant, like million dollar supercar collection. And I sat down in a McLaren 570 GT and he was like, you know, you could walk out of here with this car right now. And for a minute there, I was like, yeah, I could.

I kind of want to. You'd have to firerew and he'd have to walk i'd have to make some serious choices about how much storage yeah but that car uh the mclaren 570 gt specifically i've watched a lot of videos about and it's kind of a fascinating car it's like a nice little two door drivable they call it the daily supercar i think mclaren hands down are the best looking supercars out there i'm sure a lot of people will be very upset with that but lamborghini looks cool too rigid and at the risk of getting way into the weeds i loved the p1 which is their high-end one from a couple years ago and then i really don't like the look of the senna which replaced it so the p1 okay uh was a hybrid

supercar that was just if you guys haven't seen a p1 go ahead and right now just look up matte black p1 just put those words into google switch to images and just scroll for a little bit and enjoy the masterpiece that is the p1 um the senna came out after that not a great looking car also a million dollars would never uh want one it's a million dollar car that i would never want it's that ugly ugly. So they have their hits and misses as far as supercar looks, but I will agree they're pretty generally great looking. Cool. So we just both sound like... Yeah. So 15 minutes of talking about supercars later, my favorite car that's not a Tesla is a McLaren 720S. Sick.

I have one from Matej Svancer who asks asks what do you shoot first for a normal review a roll or b roll and i'm gonna say it's usually b roll almost always almost always b roll um if you ever wonder about the behind the scenes process of making a video that might be worth its own entire podcast maybe maybe a whole video that might be a good one to bring vin and brandon in definitely yeah actually great idea um but as of right now yeah we we were shooting today as of the recording of this a whole bunch of b-roll for something that we haven't shot the a-roll for yet so that's that's a pretty common thing um mainly because i'm still tweaking the things i want to say about it and adding little bits of

findings and pieces here and there so once we do actually finalize the a-roll then everything can just get edited together quickly and seamlessly so and speaking of like special episodes kind of like that it's something we've discussed about a lot since we've been talking about the podcast for a long time we have a list of of some really fun episodes we want to do we just launched this in the midst of yeah the crazy podcast topics are a whole whiteboard thing we've got going on right now and as of right now it's just like new tech new tech new tech new tech like things are just coming out left and right and so that's naturally what we're talking about but i think once we calm down a little bit we get back into like the januaries and i mean we're probably gonna have a

ces episode that's kind of a mandatory thing yeah just get everybody in here in the hotel room on the mics yeah that's gonna be fun but once we calm down a little bit we'll have some more introspective some more fun collaborative all sorts of other sort of types of episodes like that but i'm excited for that i really can't wait i've seen a couple people like oh i see phones on the channel all the time like i want the podcast to be more and it's gonna be yeah we just launched it right in the middle of phone season so like today's episode there's gonna be some phone stuff to start great timing like when we get in the retro tech stuff we get into all the new camera gear we get

into all the new behind the scenes we get into the interview stuff it's gonna be good so i feel like that's a good place to end it just on talking about the podcast in general but look we're at episode five right now which seems like a high number but also a low number we just started so five is a pretty good place to be but five is such a low number in the grand scheme of things so definitely looking for your feedback as usual and if you want to tweet us at wvfrm you can do that and uh if you want to listen if you want to leave a rating on apple podcast that's welcome as well and an honest one if you want to give us five stars if you want to tell us what you can do better that'd be dope

yeah definitely an honest one i actually have a challenge for the fans here you have a challenge a challenge okay so we're at 2500 ratings on apple podcast right now that's amazing i read them after every episode by the way if we can get to 5000 ratings and i'm not asking you to do five stars i'm not asking for a good rating a nice honest rating okay we get to 5000 i will do the q a of the next episode hot one style you want to do does that mean you're gonna like make wings and i will make i will cook wings spicy food we have plenty of hot sauce over there you actually have i'm sure we can do it we maybe not 10 maybe we'll do five and just start right in the middle oh my god i'll do it you'll do it

i've been i've been kind of wanting to are you peer pressuring me into doing i'm not peer pressuring you but just like they're not peer pressuring last dab onto everyone it sounds like you might you don't have to if you don't want to marquez but well i'll judge you i'll just i'll just go in with you on that fine you'll go in so 5 000 ratings on apple podcast sounds like a good target and uh if that happens then we will be burning our faces off yeah all right i'm down sounds good all right well we'll look forward to that we'll see if it happens either way until the next one thanks for listening that. That's Minute From Us. Waveform is produced in production with Studio 71,

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