Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - iPhones and AirPods and Watches, Oh My!

Episode Date: September 20, 2024

There are a ton of gadgets to talk about this week! First, there is new pair of Spectacles made just for AR developers and it somehow turns into a whole conversation about Snapchat as a company. Then we get into the main topic of the episode which are, of course, all about the new Apple products. Marques, Andrew, and David give their thoughts on the new iPhone 16, AirPods 4th gen, and the new Apple Watch Series 10. Then we play a small game where we quickly discuss a handful of news topics that range from the new YouTube Hype feature to Flappy Bird, and we try to decide whether they matter or not. It's a (long) fun one! Enjoy! Links:  MKBHD iPhone 16/16 Pro Unboxing: https://bit.ly/47zVxvp MKBHD AirPods video: https://bit.ly/3ZvTlDh MKBHD Apple Watch video: https://bit.ly/4e7NyIh Verge Snapchat Spectacles: https://bit.ly/3TwA8gY iPhone 16 estimates: https://bit.ly/3TAUtS1 Forbes Flappy Bird: https://bit.ly/3TDULrA NYT Wordle in VR: https://bit.ly/3zrozRe YouTube Hype: https://bit.ly/3TA5ZNN Music provided by Epidemic Sound  Shop products mentioned: Apple iPhone 16 / Plus: https://geni.us/KGFnCi Apple iPhone 16 Pro / Pro Max: https://geni.us/n3D2TV Apple AirPods 4: https://geni.us/mHuOHSL Apple AirPods Max (2nd Gen): https://geni.us/g90v Apple Watch Series 10: https://geni.us/KGTi Apple Watch Ultra (Black): https://geni.us/ILP2 Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah, it won't be in the title, but it will be 35 minutes before the iPhone. Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to the 250th episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And another week, another bunch of new gadgets and stuff

to talk about. A bunch of the Apple videos from the stuff that just got announced are now out. So if you guys check your sub boxes, you'll probably see some of that stuff. The headphones, the watch, the phones. But also, there's some other stuff. The Snapchat spectacles, there's some headphones that we're testing

and we're going to wrap it all up with a little game we want to play. Yeah. I was writing a little bit of podcast this morning and i looked at episode 250 and at first 250 episodes does not seem like a lot because there's you're like oh you know there's 365 days in the year but then you think about weeks yeah yeah and it is nearly four years without a miss it's actually longer because... Because we got bonus episodes. Well, and it was... So it's less. Every other week for a little while.

So it's longer time-wise. Oh, wow. Four plus years. Without a miss. It says a lot about how in the trenches we are with this show that we're like, 250 is nothing. We'll see you at 1,000.

Yeah. Episode 1, 1,000. Hit me up at the next digit. Anyway. we'll see you at a thousand yeah hit me up at the next digit yeah anyway first we have a little PSA for all you guys out there we do? yeah so now that iOS 18 and the iPhone

16 series is out part of iOS 18 is RCS messaging and I just need to do a little psa because i was seeing a lot of chatter on threads a little bit on twitter but mostly on threads of people that think that rcs is replacing iMessage it is no adam you're spreading misinformation people think what i know People think, what? I know. Look, to their credit, RCS is not the most consumer-friendly branding, right? RCS messaging, rich communication services. Most people don't know what that means.

That said, SMS is also a confusing acronym. I feel like it doesn't need branding. It just is getting to the point of being the default and that no one needs to even care about it. Yeah. So, okay. So, weirdly enough, Apple gives you the option to turn off RCS messaging on the iPhone, which seems dumb,

but I guess you can also turn off iMessage. So maybe they want to just have parody there. But I saw a bunch of messages of people turning off RCS because they were like, why would I use RCS when I have iMessage? And I'm like, oh God, here we go. That's wild. Oh my God. Adam, zoom in on my face. In 2011. Oh God. would i use rcs when i have i message and i'm like oh god here we go that's wild so oh my god adam zoom in on my face in 2011 oh god apple had an app called texts which would later become the

messages app the text app was the sms app then in ios 5.0 apple just added the i message protocol on top of the texting app and they they renamed the app to Messages. They wanted to give the impression that now texting is just better, except it was only better with your iPhone friends. So the Messages app is not iMessage. A lot of people say, but I use iMessage, and they think that they're using iMessage the app. No, it is the Messages app with the iMessage protocol sitting on top of SMS as fallback.

Now, when you text an Android user, the SMS protocol is not the default protocol. Now it will be RCS, which is rich communication services, which gives you things like red receipts, chat bubbles, inline replies, group messages that you can like leave and enter at will, high quality image and video support. It is basically most of the default iMessage upgrades, but for everybody. There is no reason to turn it off. There is no reason to turn it off. Some people say, oh, but it doesn't have encryption yet, which is true and is lame and they are working on. But also, SMS also does not have encryption.

Yeah. So just use RCS. You gain nothing. All you're doing is making your chats with Android users way better. There is no reason to turn it off. That is my PSA. Yeah. I think the other PSA is for the complete opposite side of that,

is for all of your family and friends who aren't going to, who don't update their phones or maybe have an Android phone that don't haven't turned on RCS yet because it's not a default in like an older phone. Tell them to turn it on because it will make life for you so much better. Yes. Unfortunately, on Android phones, you have to use Google Messages generally to have RCS chats. So if you've got like a relative that uses Samsung Messages or Verizon Messages Plus or something like that.

They might be hopeless. Have them download Google Messages. But try. Try. Try. It's really hard to get. It is hard. If someone is using Verizon Messages, baby steps.

Yeah. This is true. Think of the type of person that's using Verizon Messages Plus and how hard it is to get them to switch their default messaging app. I know. Just do it and don't tell them. But try. Yeah. Try. Apple has made, or not Apple, Google has made a lot of relationships

with all these carriers and from the phone manufacturers where now Google Messages is the default messaging app. They even got Samsung to get rid of their dumb messaging app and now Google Messages is the default messaging app even they even got samsung to get rid of their dumb messaging app and now google messages is the default app yeah anyway um texting is better don't turn off rcs just don't do it don't commit crimes we were talking in the car this morning about how insane it is that there's this like small sliver of people that know enough about technology to even know what rcs is and to go

in their phone and know to like turn it off but not know enough about tech to think that rcs is like wiping out i message somehow because most people but i and then and then these posts are on thread and blue sky so they also yeah that's why i like to like be on these platforms but somehow yeah i love you whoever you are thanks for existing in this slim margin i do kind of get it because people think i message and they think texting on the iphone they don't think of the messages app which has i message as a protocol on top of sms fallback which i understand you don't just think of protocols i do every night the second you say the second you protocols, people's eyes glaze over.

They're like, what? How about messages? Here's an even shorter version of the PSA. Okay. When you open messages and you've got those blue bubbles, that's iMessage. That's great. When you've got green bubbles, that's been SMS for years. That's terrible.

But now it's better. It's RCS. It's closer. It's not. But now, it's better. It's RCS. It's closer. It's not blue yet, but it's better. It'll never be blue, but it'll never be blue. It's better. Anyway, update your phones, people. Don't turn off RCS, people.

I also wanted to call out there was a thread on Threads about people were like, I updated my phone to iOS 18, and it's crazy that Apple's allowing for you to like lock down certain apps with face id this is another thing that's like deeply embedded in the settings and i'm just surprised that like i feel like the ios updates reach more general audiences than like an android update does yeah they get pushed day one to everyone who has like the last

two years three four years of phones i mean the nice thing is that it like updates overnight and you don't even have a say in it a lot of the time so i think you at least have to hit accept once maybe yeah but then yeah it's just overnight yeah so so all right great update your phones always and make your family update their phones do it for them i really like that you both just repeated update your phones after i said it that was what he said all right next take us into this next story andrew all right new snap spectacles do you guys remember snap spectacles oh do i i remember the original snap spectacles the yellow ones yeah those things you have have them? I love these. It was just a little circular.

Yeah, the lens in the corner would shoot circular video. Yeah. And then when you played it back on your phone, you could turn the phone and it would just play back any part of the circular video. It was like spatial video. Yeah. This was, they look so dope.

They're fun. They're quirky. They're cool. This was the first, so dope. They're fun. They're quirky. They're cool. This was the first... I was thinking of this. I think this was the first free product I ever got from working here. Oh, really? Because, like, two months into working here...

Wait, you get free products from working here? Wait, what? Test products while you work here. Marques got, like, three of these in, and we were going to shoot the lucid air prototype. And he was like, we should just both use these on the trip. Like here,

take this pair. And we were like messing around with them and using them in the airport. I think we were setting them up in the airport, but we were using them in like the back of the lucid. And these were cool. You said exactly what they did. They, all they did was look kind of silly and have a camera that would shoot video

for Snapchat that you could see on Snapchat. would shoot video for snapchat that you could see on snapchat yeah and then yeah you could like rotate your phone so when other people got it and they moved their phone around it would seem more i like so many people would message me being like what is your video doing because like they had no idea these existed and they had and to be fair it is like a weird phenomenon when you move your phone around it's like it's like your phone's a portal because you can you can move your phone around and the video doesn't move pixels yeah and you can turn it on like this and i used to be an electric skateboard reporter and i reviewed a ton of electric skateboards and would just skate around with these snapjack spectacles and make

snapchat videos first person videos first person yeah yeah shout out to google glass yeah it was dope this is also these improved upon Google Glass in a very key way. One of the main reasons Google Glass died is that they didn't have a recording tally light. And so there was a ton of issues where people were getting, yeah, they had no indication that you were recording. I thought they had a tiny light. I don't think they had any light. People were getting kicked out of movie theaters because people thought they were recording the movies. People were getting pulled over while driving

because people thought they were watching a video while driving. But the spectacles added this really bright yellow recording circle animation on them while you were recording so that it was very obvious that you were doing that. These had a bunch of hype around them. They sold i think in like vending machines yeah right yeah it was very on brand for snapchat i bought mine at ces because they had a vending they yeah they had drops of these vending machines like they did like santa monica damn it that was my trivia question oh oh well give me a point nah anyway um yeah there was a lot of hype around them it was cool

yeah these were super on brand now in 2024 we just got to see some new snapchat spectacles and this is like version four yeah apparently in 2021 they like announced these these are now ar glasses totally different product totally totally different product and i guess they like never launched in 2021 and now they're sort of relaunching them but they're completely different these look like do you know when you do like 3d movies and you get those like kind of semi-nicer 3d glasses these look like somehow bulkier versions of those yeah they look like product glasses that are even chunkier than prada glasses like these would be shown at some random like uh walkway at like uh

near fashion week yeah i was gonna say i think the key distinction for me is snapchat spectacles you could pass off as just regular sunglasses that someone might wear out and these new ones you could not pass off as regular glasses not at all they look terrible we've gone backwards yeah but i was thinking more about snapchat doing ar glasses and as much as i don't like that they're using the word spectacles because this was the spectacle vibe to me and these don't feel like it i keep forgetting that snapchat really was like the social media site that made ar filters and ar things like animations super popular and they did it so well with like spatial tracking and stuff like that remember the hot dog guy the dancing

hot dog yeah they had there's quite a few og ar memes from snapchat yeah for sure that like took over the internet so i guess what they're doing is taking that ar team and ar glasses do make sense this just feels weird because they're called spectacles they don't remind me of spectacles they're also only coming out as a developer kit right now where you have to pay 99 a month in order to develop on them a year no a month a month i think it's like and you have $1,200 a year yeah so you're basically committing $1,200 so you're developing on a product that you don't know will ever launch does this sound like magic leap to anyone else yes this sounds so much like magic sounds just like magically i think the difference though is that snapchat has a history of actually being

like somewhat successful with these ar products like they're in we went to like if you go to like a nick game or something or like a hockey game on the jumbotron they will just have like the snapchat filter section where they just like point the camera at someone and put a filter really yeah it's like a thing that's what i was gonna say that like i think snapchat has more success in this area yeah in the ar area not in the creating wearables area yeah but i think the wearables are just like the conduit for the ar like they're just making this so that people can like experiment the interesting thing about these glasses too is that they have a hand gesture control which is something that previous ones did not have and it basically feels like they're trying to shrink down the vision pro faster than the than apple can that's what it feels like but that all the demos were really

rough wait the phone mirroring was rough well yeah yeah well so the screen is only uh 46 degree field of view so it's not full it doesn't take up the entire yeah but. But just like the, um, the like making your phone float. That was the thing that I thought was kind of cool. It was there, but like the interact interacting with it was rough. Why does making your phone float in front of you? Cool. When you can just hold your phone in front of your face,

uh, cooking. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Specifically cooking. Okay. I,

my brain is about that big and I read and then i go to the stove and then i go wait yeah it's because tiktok videos are they're shortening your attention so now it's like three quarters of a cup and then you walk over to the cup and you're like i don't remember anymore this is how i ended up making that lasagna that's a totally different version of that but that's sure yeah yeah story time part two stay tuned oh we already i think we've told that story that's for the ogs out there that remember this one okay do you want to know one of the other new apps that they have available on this okay a chatbot baby didn't they they added they were one of the first apps to add

a chatbot after chat gbt came out so annoying it was like yeah it's like my ai my ai yeah yeah guys stop no snapchat's a weird company man they just do whatever they do it kind of feels like they made a drone remember the drone yeah and then they just discontinued it really fast that was gone so they just kind of stuff bitmoji but that actually worked it It did work. The things that work for them are the, the things that work for them

were a dancing hot dog and Bitmoji. Lowest common denominator always succeeds. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, if you're that company

and those are the things that succeed for you, you'll probably try anything. Yeah. Like an idea that's in like the boardroom, the whiteboard. Someone goes,

what if we did AR glasses that just show your phone floating in front of you someone's like okay yeah sure those magnets that are just like a million different words and you create sentences with them that's what their whiteboard is there's other stuff that you can do with it too they showed like a demo where you were playing golf and you used your phone as like the golf putter and you would like like a golf simulator through this virtual window that just like appeared in space in front of you and i don't know it it was rough for sure and the fact that you have to pay a hundred dollars a month just to be a developer for a product that you don't know will ever come

out is insane and then on top of that as you're developing for this product when there's a bunch of rumors of meta doing ar glasses pretty, which probably they've done more hardware of VR stuff and sunglasses with like Ray-Bans already. Yeah. Tough one. Tough one. couple of years we go oh they're still a company and then you look into the data and you're like oh they've grown like three x since the last time i looked at them huge yeah i do miss the days when i actually cared about them active users 400 dude it's nuts people use it as a messaging yeah well no i think i think young the the youths the youths use it i know as app. They add it. Yeah. Well, no, I think young, the youths.

The youths. Use it. I know it's like an all-in-one. It's almost like a... Super app. Yeah, like WeChat for kids. Can I pop quiz you guys real quick on how big Snapchat is? I just looked at the data and saw a bunch of crushes.

Okay, you can't. We are just crushing all the trivia questions. Did you just say 400 million users? 400 million daily. 430 daily. Active. 800 million monthly. On30 daily. Active. 800 million monthly. On average, how many snaps are created every day?

2 billion. 1.7 billion. 4.75 billion. Snapchat generated how much revenue in 2023? $100. Negative $100. Negative $100. $1 billion. $4 billion.

$4.6 billion. Dang, nice answer. Oh my goodness. That's a lot of money. What fraction? Wait, that's almost... Per snap per day. Wait, what was it?

Yeah, 4 billion snaps a day and 4 billion in annual revenue. A dollar per snap? From where? From the advertising. From the developer fees, apparently. Yeah, basically. in annual revenue a dollar per snap well from where from from the advertising air it's the it's the developer fees apparently like yeah basically yeah okay last one gen z users account for what percent of snapchat monthly active users in the world it's only half what only

i mean so you think snapchat is this little world of gen z actually it is enormous tim uses it every day the only people i snap are tim and then claire and i send baby pictures back you know it's funny it's a little easier for the world's team which is not a youth world's team it's an adult world's team we made a snapchat group and then when we finally got to australia and we'd been like like everyone's been like sending things to the group and we looked in the group and we were trying to figure out how many of us are actually in this group every single person on the team except one was in the snapchat group these are all adults we're all over 20 something crap so i like how you can't get anyone to move off of uh what's that dumb messaging app that mic still owns for some reason? Teams?

No. Skype? Well, yes, that's a dumb messaging app. Do they still own Skype? They do still own Skype. The one that you use for Ultimate Frisbee. The terrible WhatsApp. GroupMe. Wait, Microsoft

owns GroupMe? Oh yeah, baby. Dude, what a terrible... GroupMe used to be yeah, baby. Dude, what a terrible... What a jerk. GroupMe used to be our work messaging app. That's insane. Before Slack, we used GroupMe. That's insane. There's only four of us. There's only four of us.

You guys are masochists for sure. Okay, one other thing about Snapchat that I found very funny. They're completely redesigning the app and the new version of the app redesign is called Simple Snapchat, which is the redesign. If you look at it it's literally just what snapchat used to look like when i used it in like before they redesigned it and lost all of their i downloaded it like a year ago because

someone i met was like we should snapchat and i was like i guess i'll look at what it looks like i downloaded it and it like gave me an aneurysm i had no idea how to operate this app i was like your brain has to be fried to understand what the ux of this like does wait that's the new one this is it yeah there's only like three pages basically no there's a fifth page there's a tiktok page oh yeah yo look at that avocado no this is the old this is still way simpler than it was old snapchat used to be the page of all the snaps you have is the homepage. That's true. Which is straight into that.

Well, but then they added the video feed where they had BuzzFeed and all the other different creators, whatever. That's when I went downhill and then they had to make a dancing hot dog to come back. Didn't the homepage always used to be the camera? I guess the camera, but then it was only ever camera and these are the snaps that you're sending. Yeah. be the camera i guess the camera but then it was only ever camera and these are the snaps that you're sending yeah that that was a very powerful thing about snapchat is when you open snapchat it opens directly to the camera yeah no other social media app does that's yeah i think that's still why claire and i use it sometimes because to just like send silly videos of lane to each other it's

so much easier to just pop that open it's not saving on my phone and taking up storage it's just actually i got to see lane crawl for the first time because claire was just like sitting there snapping lane while i was at work and then just like in the middle of the snap she just goes are you crawling right now and like lane was taking her first crawling so you did you save the video i think claire's safe that's awesome it would have been so much easier if you were wearing a humane pin though record right record record overheated it's overheated yeah also snapchat invented the story format yeah that's true imagine instagram was like dying right like i mean it's not but the only reason it's still alive is because of stories and because they're trying to get people hooked on reels and it's melting people's brains but stories is like the main reason that people

still use instagram people don't really look at feed posts that much anymore it's a very big i think it's a reason that it like got super popular and stayed in the limelight reels is definitely helping now but they totally stole that from snap and i think it was around the time snap did the the redesign oh and so like people were mad at snap and then went to instagram because stories and they were on there already yeah snap maps also i don't think anyone else is doing that before uh well is someone doing that now find my yeah like well that already not but like my friends already isn't there and i don't think it existed find my friends when snap maps yeah that already existed I don't think it existed find my friends?

yeah that's existed forever no one exists 2011 was what? find my friends wait snap maps is 2017? no it is I remember that launching I thought I remember being in high school emoji overlaid

we would have thought we were going to talk about snap for this long we got we were going to talk about Snap for this long. Yeah, we should. We've got some other stuff to talk about. We've got some other company that can't figure out how to make that much money. Last thing before the break. These are some headphones that we talked about a few episodes. Marques wasn't here when we talked about these, actually.

Oh. But they sent us a pair. Yeah, we used them. They're so cool. We have used them. I thought we'd use them a little more. You haven't used them yet, have you? No, I haven't tried them. I just put them on. They little more. You haven't used them yet, have you? No, I haven't tried them.

I just put them on. They're comfortable. These are the, they're not open back. They're just open. They're backless. They're backless. They're the most open back. Are they open back?

Because there's no back that's open. I don't know. Their headphones are truly open. If you're on video, you can see. Or maybe not see because you can see through it. Yeah. For audio listeners it's like a pair of over your headphones but there's no back and there's just like some

drivers hanging down yeah which is cool they remind me of the sony link buds which were the like truly wireless earbuds where there's the transparency mode was physical physical transparency they're like negative link buds because link buds had the ring that they're like the opposite the drivers were around it yeah also this is just like the packaging it comes in better carrying case than airpods max for listeners it is a uh paper purse it's like a handbag yeah it does look better than the airpods max for sure do you want to just try these out ellis you tried them what do you think about them all right they're paired to my so yeah when we first talked about these i said i don't know and then i tried them um pros good

things about them uh very comfortable i could see myself being able to wear them for a long period of time although i did not try to uh pro number two they pair really easily which i know is like shouldn't everything pair really easily well guess what they don't and we were like passing around these around the office and like everyone was like pairing and unpairing to their phone and like typically that messes up a lot of bluetooth products but these were messed up so that was pro number two uh pro number three they look cool not uh it's actually on my con list personally i i don't know i would love to be on i've worn a lot of ridiculous tech products in public and those kind of cross the line for these are hype they're funny straight on you can't even tell

they're different and then from the side you're like why can i see that guy's ears yeah i love that i want i think it's kind of cool. I'm listening to music right now. You guys can't hear anything now. Pro number whatever. The bleed, I don't know how they fold it off. There's no bleed. My Focal open backs have significantly more bleed than these headphones.

Interesting. Cons. They sound fine. They sound competitive with other headphones in this price range um three hundred dollars by the way yeah i don't think they have as good bass as some of the competitors and before you're like oh well it's just because the sony xm4s or whatever have bass boost no it's like you can hear the resonant frequency and the roll off at the end like they sound a little bit like you're listening to music inside a wooden box um but other than that they sound fine and competitive and um and they get loud and they get pretty they get pretty

loud yeah i don't know they're they're fine the thing is is like i kept using them with my airpods and like going back and forth and to try to like compare what AirPod transparency mode and this were like, and they weren't that different in, you know what I mean? Like in terms of like a physical, physical transparency and like, yeah,

like, like in a sensation was pretty similar as far as the transparency mode goes. And yeah, I think these are more about the design and the look than they are about the actual benefit you get from them being truly open back. I feel like it's just like a preference thing. I can hear everything you guys are saying. Yeah. Which I couldn't with any other.

Even like, I guess with open back headphones, there's some level of attenuation from just like the material of the mesh or whatever. But this is the most open I've ever heard yeah it sounds like this sound and the benefit i mean the benefit of uh of like an airpods is that it's sampling the sound coming through and like actually protecting your ears yeah whereas this is not doing that no like the so it's really confusing because they i've i suspect that the airpods what transparency and what adaptive means like has actually been sort of changing over time and they just don't put it in any of the release notes because oh before adaptive mode transparency mode was really similar to what adaptive is now and now transparency is like less protecty but i yeah it still is like doing some dynamics processing i don't know they're not they're not hi-fi headphones but if you want something weird and then these are that man i think they're cool yeah other than

looking ridiculous i don't really have any major complaints i think they're pretty well built for and well priced for a company that's like not a major brand yeah sorry they're called the nwm ones they're japanese company i believe but they are sold on amazon you can get them on amazon in the u.s um they're not that ridiculous looking compared to other headphones they're ridiculous looking but compared to compared to the dyson mouth breather headphones they're not that ridiculous but like peak i can't think of another pair of headphones that is even half as silly looking peak i can't think of another pair of headphones that is even half as silly looking if i lived in a city and went to like a coffee shop to do my work

a bunch i think these would be kind of cool to have the like um ambient sound like coming through and yeah the downside is this this i usually wear headphones to block out. Have people not come up to me to say anything and these do not scream, I can't hear you. They don't. What do you think? Yeah, they're good. They're like, it's like having transparency mode on all the time

because it's the air. Yeah, because there's nothing there. It's great. I think they're great i always love when we start using like technical terms to describe things that are just existing in real life using the marketing term when i don't have headphones on it's like i have transparency mode on yeah i will say here i will say as much as i would be embarrassed to wear them in public um if i saw like a fashion model wearing them on a runway i would be like that it would fit right i'd be like that's cool like that's the future and the snapchat spectacles the new ones

dude i think the snapchat spectacles are kind of cool okay then you've lost all credit all right well we have a lot more of uh speaking of transparency mode of products to talk about after the break so we're going to take another quick break. But before we do, let's do some trivia. And if you're about to show me the trivia answers, don't do that. Oh, it's over there. You will be getting the trivia questions soon,

but first, a correction from last week. Not exactly a correction, but you know. Last week, I made a big stink about Apple watch about apple describing the hermes watch band as uh 3d and i thought that was so dumb and then um a really great listener uh named beth who is a textile engineer professionally uh wrote in to say hey that was pretty funny but actually you don't know what you're talking about.

I love that. And apparently a 3D knit is a special kind of knitting process where instead of using a loom to create textiles that you then stitch together with a sewing machine, you can just sort of create a whole garment in one process on a loom. And that is called 3D knitting because you're not making a flat sheet of textile you're actually making this 3d process adam is playing you a clip we'll also put it in the video note

but there's this cool shot at the end of this where uh there's just this printer that like prints a sweater check it out it's like crazy looking what the heck yeah right nuts um and uh the blue and gray sort of like uh raised parts of the hermes band uh if you weren't doing that with 3d knitting you would need to actually like weave those separately and then sew them on but because hermes used 3d knitting it's one continuous flow of uh of textile so apple i'm sorry you know there's certain types of products where like people really care they over index how the product was made and i've never been super into those types of products but i feel like hermes makes a lot of those products well they

have to justify the price. Sure. Right? Like when I see that like, oh, the sole of these shoes was 3D printed, I'm like, I just need to know if it's good or if that like brings any benefit to me at the end. People want flexing, the reasons to flex, you know? Yeah.

Adam is crying in Japanese raw denim right now. Well, yeah, there's that. There's like a certain, like the exotic car world is full of hand-built cars like there's certain things where the way that it's built matters just as much as the thing it's because effort is the point right not always well not always i like things like that we often buy things that are handmade even if they're worse just because they're handmade certain things certain types of things other things never right but certain things deserve that extra consideration sometimes yeah that's all yeah anyway speaking of things that are handmade does beth get a point now on

the leaderboard hell yeah she does google negative one bet's at negative three. Beth is actually currently tied with David Pierce. This is awesome. Speaking of things that are handmade, trivia question, handmade by me. Brain made. RCS is officially part of America's favorite phone, the iPhone. And we're going to get more into that after the break.

You got a problem with me saying that, Andrew? Why did everyone laugh and I'm the one you're singling out here? I saw the look. I just used WhatsApp. Don't even start. You're going to flare people up. It took many years to get here. But what year did the RCS initiative officially get added to GSMA's work program and Price is Right rules?

Like, oh, Cluster's not going over? Yep. Over being later, chronologically. So, say the question one more time. In what year did the gsma which is the gsm association i don't actually know what gsm so gsm is a i know what it is but i don't know what it stands for but you should explain it for people it's finish it's finish it's finish because there is well let's restart it

no you probably shouldn't look it up just in case. That was really good, Alice. Thank you. Global system for mobile. Okay. Yeah, so what's the question again? They invented SMS. Is you putting the formation of this?

So basically what it was. Yeah, be careful with that Wikipedia page. There was a Finnish telecom that created all of these standards and a bunch of the finnish telecoms like needed to organize to like actually allow these protocols to work together so they started the gsma which is the association of the gsm standard so that they could like organize around protocols and then that became like a global standard because they were just way ahead of everyone else that's why nokia is like so far ahead of everybody that was a great explanation and at a certain point in time they were some of the early industry coalition people to say hey this rcs thing is pretty cool. And in a certain year,

they created this thing called the RCS Initiative right after the, soon after the protocol was sort of fleshed out, I think. Maybe it was before it was finished being fleshed out. Anyway, I'm looking for- What's the question? I'm asking, I'm asking.

Okay. For what year the GSMA said, hey, we are developing this RCS thing and we are trying to get carriers and handset manufacturers on board. They put out a press release. They said, hey, we are pushing RCS. Like starting to develop it or finalizing the spec? When did the announcement come out?

When did the announcement come out? That they were going to build it. I believe it had already been built at this point. And this was just them. But let me confirm that before we get to answer time. We're asking a lot of questions that aren't gonna change our answers yeah exactly change mine after the break at the end of the show so yeah we'll we'll think about that question for a while and uh we'll be back after the break.

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free data, big savings on plans, and having your unused data roll over to the following month every month at fizz you always get more for your money terms and conditions for our different programs and policies apply details at fizz.ca all right welcome back it is uh the week that all of the reviews for all of apple's new products for fall have come out and so my thoughts as well as everybody else's who've been reviewing them about airpods 4 about um apple watch series 10 and about

iphone 16 and 16 pro are all now out there in the world and so we can say that we've been testing them using them reviewing them taking pictures on them listening to the headphones using the watch yes this is a black apple watch ultra uh that i quickly switched to after finishing testing the series 10 um and we have plenty of thoughts, random scattered rants maybe to share that weren't in the reviews. Let's start with the iPhone, the 16 and 16 Pros. The main two things that I think will come through in the review, because as we're recording this, I haven't made the reviews yet,

but the main two things are, one, these phones are unfinished. They don't have any Apple, Apple intelligence features at all at launch. And two, cameras are really interesting. And I think the analogy that I'm trying to finish for this review for the cameras is that the way that a camera looks and processes images is kind of like EQ in music, in headphones, for example. The way that these headphones sound out the box, if you like them, great. If you don't, that's fine. That's just one of the ways that they can sound. Change the EQ, now they sound like this. Change the EQ, now they sound like this. And photographic styles on the iPhone are kind of there. So the power of defaults is very strong, and the iPhone still has a look with their default image, but that's just one of the ways it can look, and there are surfacing ways to remind you of different ways it can look. I think those are my two biggest observations.

Look, you could probably buy this new 16 and be fine. It's not that dramatic of a change from the 15 or the 14. The pros are better in the camera department and better in the screen department as they are every year. Great. 4K 120 is super cool. But yeah, that's basically new iPhones in a nutshell. I have a lot to say about photographic styles they so okay for those that don't know yet there are photographic styles first launched in the iPhone 13 series the pros uh but they only had like a few different styles that you could have in it yeah like four or five or something yeah and you could like there was a there was like a tone slider and a a color slider, a warmth slider. But those are the only two things you could change.

There were only like four presets and you had to take a photo in the photographic style. When you took it, you couldn't change it. It was baked in. They made a big deal about how it's not just a filter. It's like in the pipeline you know which is true still true now they have added a ton of different presets which is very cool i personally think the gold preset is like by far my favorite it feels sort of like kodak gold it's uh it's it's nice it's warm it's contrasty the interesting thing about photographic styles this year are is twofold one

the first time you open the camera app now just the camera app at all like the first thing that shows up is hey photographic styles look at this try it take a few photos like it is in your face like change the way that you can't want the camera to work by default right now and i think that that is basically their response to people like me who complain a lot about this like raised shadows uh no contrast processed computational photography look where they're like all right if you want to actually get your camera to look the way you want to look set it when you first set up your iphone and it will always look like that you can go in and change it if you want but here which i think is awesome i just immediately

set it to the gold one and honestly generally that's like good enough for me but the other thing is they now have this like they change the way the sliders look so they still have these like settings near the top but they have have basically a touch pad where you take the style and you can change this like 3D-esque slider between saturation and like brightness where you can up the like shadows and you can up the saturation in this like kind of 3D space. Or there's just a simple slider for saturation where it's like applying the style. Yeah. is just a simple slider for saturation where it's like applying the style yeah um and i think that overall like giving people this much more control out of the box is like a very smart move from apple because they don't want to come out and say you know what you're right we went way too hard on the computational photography doing that we're just going to change the default pipeline and

it's going to be more contrasty and it's going to have less shadow detail. And now they're saying, you want something different? Do it yourself. Which I like that they're shoving it in people's faces so that they have the opportunity to actually do it, whereas photographic styles on the iPhone 13 was not very obvious, and also was not very customizable.

Do you think it's more, when I just think of people complaining that it's computational photography, and they don't want it versus people who like film photo styles are in in style right now and giving them options like that like the fuji yeah like i mean people are taking way more photos on film or at least trying to make things look like film more reason and that's part of it i wouldn't say that this is necessarily like filmy but i mean it's getting into like a small style and i just feel like the general public of people who apple would want to change something for probably aren't like this looks too

computational photography yeah they also probably want people to less go to third-party editing apps and that's also super stuff yeah google and apple have both added like editing stuff in their photos app and now they're putting it directly in the camera yeah sorry yeah yeah no there's there's a there's a lot of people who don't love the way that the new cameras look and the fact that this is built in and super easily accessible and the last thing is it's now moved to the end of the image processing pipeline so And the last thing is it's now moved to the end of the image processing pipeline. So it's the least destructive.

It's the thing that you can edit after you take the shots. So it's the thing that feels like the most encouraged for you to change after you take a picture. But at the same time, it's also at the front of the pipeline where you get to see in live view, it's looking with that filter. It's previewed. But in the actual processing pipeline yeah it's like when you when you stack a bunch

of things it's the last thing so that if you change it it is uh full quality change which is awesome but i think more people will use it because they get to see the preview of what it looks like versus like people are just normal people who aren't that super into photography stuff now are going to be like oh this looks fun as i'm taking it versus like oh that is there but i took the picture i already forgot to go back and like add filter and the more we talk about this the more it makes sense to me that apple not necessarily is so hell-bent against calling it a button but they do love calling it camera control and that that's the theme for this iPhone is camera control.

You have control over the way your camera looks and the way your camera works. That's a great point, actually. It's still a button, okay? Just to be clear, it's a button. Yeah, I don't get why they're so... I don't either. Spatial computing.

They hate that people say button. But yes, it's control over your camera. They're giving you control over your camera this year with the iPhone 16s. That's what's happening. Want to talk about the button? That's totally a button. The button, it's fine.

It's a little finicky for me. It's kind of in this slight split the difference spot where it feels okay in landscape and it feels okay in portrait but not great in either. Totally. Fine. Agree. But yeah, you can swipe through. I end up mainly using it for tone, like just deepening the contrast and the shadows and like messing with that

just so I can see the shadows in real time and taking those shots. Wait, can I try real quick? Yeah. I think it's hard to use. I think the half press is harder to use than it should be. The half press takes some real like tact. Like you have to get used to how much pressure you wait i see no you

just took a photo no no no no i was making sure that i wasn't doing it i think the half press is pretty easy you gotta double tap the half press a double half press to bring up the menu and you don't have to yeah what you probably just did worked and then you swipe back and forth and there's a little bit of momentum with the swipe so if you swipe like with extra speed, you can go two or three instead of one. There's the momentum's got some issues. Yeah, there's a learning curve. I think they need better acceleration on the swiping. It feels to me like it's not sensitive enough personally.

I think the half click's not bad, but the double half click is tough. Yeah, double half clicking is really tough. Yeah, it just doesn't feel intuitive. And it's interesting that they put this button on the regular iPhone 16 as well. Like when they're giving you all these additional settings, like they're giving you like aperture control, which it's fake aperture. Yeah, portrait mode.

Yeah, it's portrait mode. In portrait, doing this just makes me feel like I'm holding my phone. Yeah, like in a holding my phone. Yeah. Like in a very precarious way. And that is going to fall out of my hand at any second. Yeah. Thank you. I think with the iPhone, the power of defaults again is really strong here.

I think I'm predicting that 90 something percent of people will never know what this camera control thing does. Other than if I press it, I take a picture. Yeah. I think that's what most people people end up doing with it. But there will be some pro tips and some YouTube videos that show you how to take advantage of it. And on the pro iPhone, this is something that people who are really into the smartphone photography will get into. You can do a lot with it. And third party apps are going to build in controls for it as well. It's going to be kind of powerful, but it only does things that you can also already do with on-screen control so it's not like yeah necessary watching you think try and use that in portrait mode i'm scared that phone is going to fall it looks so all of your fingers

are within the bottom 25 of that phone right now you know what you know my take is they should have ignored portrait mode if this is if you are a pro video user or whatever you're turning the phone sideways even though that's technically not true anymore with all the vertical content online turn it sideways now you're using camera control which is why i think they could have put it just in the pro camera and they could have called it like pro camera and that's it yeah pro camera control and then that they have another differentiator to buy the profile i hate advocating for this. Me too. No, yeah, yeah.

Screw both of you. Leave it in everything. Business perspective. Yeah, because one of the themes this year is actually how good the standard iPhone 16 is. Yeah. Yeah. They've brought a lot of things. It has 8 gigs of RAM now, just like the Pro phones.

It's got a pretty good, I mean, there's still a gap between the cameras, but a pretty good set of cameras. It has the camera control like the pro phones now as well. So there's a lot of things that they've done with the base phones that make it convincing. I personally, and I've said this probably every time I've talked about this iPhone, can't use a 60 Hertz phone in 2024. I can't, sorry. I just can't do it. it but if you can then the only difference between this and the pro phones is going to be cameras and bigger screens it feels like every two-ish years there's the year where like the pro and the regular have this huge delta between them and it seems really obvious and then two years later it's like these are almost exactly the same except for promotion and one extra camera and they just keep going back and forth on this.

This feels like one of those years where you really need 120 Hertz and the extra camera or else there's no point. There are a lot of like small things that if you're a really hardcore pro user are useful, like the USB transfer on the regular one is still USB two, whereas it's 3.1 on the, on the pro phone, stuff like that.

Yeah. There's also other stuff that they didn't explain very well that I didn't even know until we talked to them in the briefing, but it was like both of these phones, the main camera is 48 megapixel and both of them, they call it the fusion camera. We had to get like clarity on what that fusion camera thing means. And it's effectively,

I couldn't get them to say this directly, but just like they wouldn't say it's a button it's basically just a rebranding of their like 2x optical quality mode that they had in the last one which it's basically using the inner part of the camera's pixels to do a 2x zoom but the photo sites are not as big so you're not getting as much light so it's not optical quality that's like misleading it's still good but it's effectively yeah it's like pixel binning sort of right it is pixel binning it is pixel binning yeah yeah it's negative pixel binning uh it's not pixel binning it's negative pixel binning pixel binning would be four turn into one correct this is cropping yes so it's not pixel that's why i said negative pixel it's it's the same amount of effective pixels but the photo sites are way smaller right so you're getting less light intake anyway the fusion camera thing

is basically them just branding that and they're saying well it's different because the sensor is bigger but something that they never really mentioned out loud is that the sensor in the pro phone on the main camera this year is a lot bigger than the main camera on the regular 16. Yeah. They basically did not say that anywhere. And it's noticeable.

Yeah. To me, like shooting photos and videos, the iPhone 16 pros have a nice shallow depth of field. Yeah. Like when I'm shooting and I noticed, and I didn't really notice it that much before. Yeah. It's really nice in these pros and you'll also get better low light performance so if you're concerned about those types of things the pro makes a meaningful difference for that right the ultra wide's both fine for me i'm not finding a huge difference

there and then obviously you have a telephoto on the pro and they're 5x on both size pros and not on the regular because there's no telephoto but yeah i don't know 4k 120 is nice yeah and that's also only on the pro because there's a there's 2x the transfer speed on this new sensor what that is not on the regular one yeah and you can cruise through storage with 4k 120. Yeah. Like, for real. So keep that in mind. I think it's like a gig a minute. Yeah. The conspiracy theory.

No, dude. The conspiracy theory, like, I was in Glacier a few weeks ago, and I was taking a bunch of just everything is beautiful, and I was just taking a bunch of ProRes log footage just to, like. Oh, just cruise through storage. I got a notification, like, as soon as I got back that's, like, your iCloud storage is full. And I was, like, I thought I was back that's like, your iCloud storage is full. And I was like,

I thought I was only using 120 out of the 200 gigs or whatever. And I took 80 gigs of storage from like 20 ProRes log clips that weren't even that long. Yeah. So my conspiracy theory

is that they're trying to make you use as much cloud storage as possible. You can shoot directly to an external Thunderbolt drive on the pro phones and usb3 will transfer fast enough to do that i suggest you do that because if you don't

you're gonna just blast your storage however there was a thing because there's like a i don't know if it's anchor or somebody made some sort of attachment that goes on the it attaches via magsafe and it goes into the usb port and it's supposed to be able to like you can record directly to that we had one right yeah we have it don't we i think we were using it for autofocus yeah oh really for a little while well apparently the sd card transfer speed or something is like not fast enough to not drop frames or something like that so yeah there's an article in dp review about it that i would read just before you buy that kind of stuff we i shot a couple autofocus videos directly to an external

drive and it was fine yeah it wasn't pro it wasn't uh prores log though it was just 4k 30 hdr prores yeah i think the external drives are fine it's when you use the micro sd cards that's when it yeah yeah i can see that. Yeah. Cool. Anyway. Yeah. Other than that, not a ton.

I mean, I'm going to review Apple Intelligence separately from the phones. There's just nothing to say new here that I didn't talk about in the iOS 18 video. So like in six months, how long does it take to come out? Like this is going to get a long time before it's all out. But when it's all out, I'll review it.

It's just not out yet. So I don't even have much to say about that. See review for rant. But then we can talk about AirPods and Apple Watch Series 10. What should we do first? AirPods. Okay.

Well, AirPods 4 and there's two versions, active noise cancellation and non-active noise cancellation. I can now say that I really tested a lot of back-to-back AirPods Pro versus AirPods 4 with ANC. They're only $20, $30 difference between them. But one of them has silicon tips, one of them doesn't. Wait.

$179 for AirPods 4 with ANC. $250 is the MSRP though for... You can get them on Amazon easy for $190 right now. That's true. And that's like everywhere. So I'm just counting them as $109 headphones. Okay. And I rated the AirPods Pro noise cancellation like an 8 out of 10.

It's really good. The fit in my ear is great. And then I would switch immediately to the AirPods 4, the hard tip, and felt like it was half power. Like the noise cancellation is simply not as good. Physically speaking, it makes perfect sense. There's air gaps around the outside of the hard tip, like noises are going to get in anyway. So the tech is working. It's just, it cannot possibly work as well without a perfect fit in your ear. So I said it was like a four or five out of 10. People really worked up about that i'm standing by that like it's not as powerful but if airpods 4 fit like a glove in

your ear good for you it'll work better for you that's true right and then you get a cheaper pair of airpods yeah i watched the dave 2d video about it and he was like raving about the anc but it's probably just because they fit well in his ears whereas when we were recording the review like you nodded your head once and they fell out. Dude every time like I put them in my ears and this is like the first thing I do every time I get new earbuds is I put them in my ears and I just see does it feel like they fit or not and sometimes

there's just this feeling of it's like it's slowly ejecting itself from my ear slowly and then like 60 seconds later they just fall out so if I get that feeling i know that the fit isn't great and if they're silicon tips i can size up size down i can adjust it with the hard tips it's like these will not stay in my ear period or i will just have to adjust it every 60 seconds and i'll hate it yeah so that's just me like i said in the beginning of the video there's

two types of people they either work in your ears or they don't so um yeah if if airpods 3 worked in your ears then i suggest checking out airpods 4 because they're they're pretty close yeah they're pretty close i think they put anc in airpods 4 because they were looking at the airpods line and they were like this price ladder isn't tight enough tighten that up i actually think that's a big part of why they have this stratification now if you if you were gonna get airpods 4 and you're like oh well i mean like i gotta get them with noise cancellation spend another 50 bucks you're like price ladder for sure but then for another you know another 50 60 bucks and only really 20 because they're the two are always on sale and then at that point you're you're two rungs up yeah i would i was gonna

mention in the video i think 99 bucks would have been killer for the base airpods but they're 129 yeah i wonder how long it takes for them to go on sale for 99 but i think that would have been a nice price for those uh there was a lot of competition around 80 90 bucks though for that type of product you do get also a case with wireless charging and a speaker for those 50 more temptation for the price ladder if you haven't seen that short watch it it's it's everything that apple does um but yeah that's it airpods pros are not different they just have a software update that can make them a clinical grade hearing aid which is cool which did get fta approval this week yes and i think that's also starting to push as well,

which is nice. Same with sleep apnea detection in the watches. I think it's also beginning to push. It got FDA approval also. Which is great. Actually, funny tweet by Quinn, Snazzy Labs. He said, I was making fun of it, and then I tested it, and it said, oh, I have sleep apnea.

So, you know, it's- Well, and then he went to a doctor and got tested and has mild sleep apnea. So that's that's super super quick turnaround and he's going to be in the next apple keynote can i say that was a joke and still not get invited to the event yeah um wait i have like no thoughts on airpods except for i really appreciate the thumbnail it was like pure throwback to old mkbht thumbnails where you used to take two pieces of poster board and like just make you physically made the like color separation in person photoshop and what's funny is it practically made the stroke because all like

poster board on the back is white and since the camera was wide enough you would see a little bit of the white stroke through the middle. And shadow. It would be like the white side and the shadow. You definitely made an AirPods video that is like that. For sure. It was like in a little person, remember? Wait, there's no Photoshop in this?

No, that one is Photoshop. That one was done with Photoshop, but in the theme of the ones that we used to do with practical effects. Like this. I remember those. Those are fun. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. So, okay. Apple Watch Series 10, it's thinner, it's bigger. Okay, moving on. Yeah. That's kind of the review. I don't know. I mean, I think my favorite thing about the Apple Watch Series 10,

honestly, is just the fact that it now has the one hertz display. Yeah. Because I like things that are digital but act as much like an analog thing as possible oh you like that skeuomorphism that's right but in but in hardware design skeuomorphism as hard as you can well that's still software uh you're talking about the second hand yeah the second hand yeah like even though it's not something that i'm constantly looking at i just like that it's more like a real watch i think that's cool i yeah like even though it's not something that i'm constantly looking at i just like that it's more like a real watch i think that's cool i agree it's good it's good

uh and they didn't put that in the ultra too what the hell apple all you did was give us matt black you thought i would shut up about it just because you gave us matt black look i appreciate the matt black that band looks really good too matt black and the black band and everything but i've got this i switched to the same watch face that i had on the ultra 3 and it doesn't tick ultra 2 ultra 2 and it doesn't tick so yeah oh it's oh you're right and it doesn't have the brighter off axis uh viewing or anything like that this new screen is nice on the 10 the oxfax this thing is also a thing that is that is useful i don't really notice it but you know yeah i would say that this year the series 10 is like as close as it's ever been to the ultra because the size is almost the same yeah it now has the

depth gauge and the water temperature sensor um yeah it's like they are very very similar watches now it's sort of just like do you want the sportier one with dual band gps yeah and auto track detection and a compass and basic waypoints yeah yeah i really don't need this i just think it looks cool like the scent the 10 and jet black really really good watch and totally uh usable to anyone who doesn't use the ultra features who just buys it for it's just a battery difference at this point for me. I do think the Ultra looks way better though. In my honest opinion. In general, I think it looks way better.

I don't disagree. The X is so cool. It's just sleek. It's so shiny. It's so sleek. It's my favorite Apple watch. It's uggo. It's not ugly. At the end of the review i said like a rotating bezel or a circular shape or a meaningful improvement to

battery any of these things that we were like kind of hoping for out of series 10 would have been the biggest change to apple watch ever yeah they didn't do any of those things yeah they did a bunch of small incremental things that add up to a nice year over year improvement but it's not like some crazy dramatic new watch it's it's an apple watch it looks fine i feel like they're trying to make the apple watch more like a dress watch yeah the apple watch ultra is like a bra like diving watch and then they have like yeah the cute little like sacred passage or whatever yeah yeah i think you could dress up that watch with a nice band face. Yeah. Than the Ultra.

Yeah, that's true. I have a funny Apple watch thing that I discovered because I started wearing an Ultra. I love the Ultra. I think it's super cool. So I, video viewers know, am not particularly brolic. Have very, very low muscle mass on my body. have very very low muscle mass on my body and in fact i'm so scrawny that my my wrists and my forearms are very flat because it's just bone no muscle no meat and so the the crown of the apple watch like digs into my wrist when i turn it like i take it off at the end of the day there's like a

little like divot in my... Yeah, I... Wait, it's not just me? No, if I... Marques is brolic. Yeah, okay. I thought it was just my... If I bend my wrist a certain way, especially when it's on the other wrist,

I literally turn the digital crown. And if I'm doing a push-up or bear crawls or anything on the ground, it holds it down. And I think that activates the siren after a while. Oh, God. I turn that off. I turn the siren after a while oh god so i turn that off i turn the siren off because i was like there's no way wow well yeah i think it says a lot about

your uh your humility marquez that you're like no i'm not that strong but when i'm doing bear claw bear crawls it's part of our what i'm doing is guys it's not that it's not that crazy i also do have to note um they said that it now charges to 80 in 30 minutes i tested this three times every single time 65 okay wait i want to say that in the announcement it said up to 80 which i remember seeing and being like that's weird and then i think we never mentioned it and i was like am i just wrong but i'm like 99 sure it said up to 80 in 30 minutes well technically it said up to 80% in 30 minutes. Well, technically it does charge up to 100% in 30 minutes too.

Yeah. I think the thing that I noticed is it charges faster at the beginning of the charge. Yeah. That's the one, like if I was wearing it, I remember back when I was wearing it and doing the sleep tracking with it, I would basically only get to charge it while I was showering. Yeah. And I would take a quick shower

and it would be at like some red number, like 9%, and I'd go shower and I'd come back and it would be at like 13. I'm like, that's weird. I have to leave it on the charger longer. And I come back 45 minutes later and it'll be nearly done. But this one, I can put it on the charger and come back in a short period of time

and it's already started rapidly adding battery. So I think that's where I've noticed the most difference. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't measured it scientifically, but that's my observation. Also, PSA, you need a fast charging Apple Watch charger, which they started shipping in the Series 7. But if you have like an old like Nomad charger or something, you're not magically to get more speed you have to buy an updated charger that supports fast charging um good call out yeah yeah very apple very apple and the iphone 16 and 16 pro also now charge 25 watts on the new magsafe

pucks which look exactly like the old magsafe pups but you have to buy the new ones so that's also annoying but there you are. That's the watch. And the watch is the same, but if you're going to buy a new one, you might as well buy the new one. The newest new one. Yeah, the newest new one with the biggest face and the brightest screen and the thinnest thin.

Tail as old as time. Yeah, there you have it. There you have it. All right, we've got a game to get to and we've probably already been going for like 17 hours. So we'll we'll cut this here go watch the videos if you haven't already for the full polished uh tightly considered thoughts uh before we take that break though one more trivia question

trivia dude so we were talking about snapchat earlier and when those spectacles came out the gen one it was pretty hype i remember going to get when those spectacles came out, the Gen 1, it was pretty hype. I remember going to get the first spectacles from a vending machine in the city from one of those pop-ups. Which was my question. I want to see if you guys remember that it was vending machines. But clearly you did. So, next question. David said the video was basically 180 degrees.

You know, like when you're looking at it on the phone. But that wasn't the field of view of the actual camera itself what was the field of view of the camera itself the one that's on the spectacles yeah field of view of the of the output not necessarily like what the smartphone camera well every different smartphone camera has a different field no it wasn't a smartphone camera it was the one oh the spectacles Oh, the spectacles. Sorry. Oh, wow. So you put them on, you get first-person video. It would occur in a circular video, and it has a certain field of view.

Yeah. What was the field of view angle? Okay. Interesting. I'm going to be guessing. Can we also Price is Right that one? Sure. Yeah.

Without going over? I'm not going to get the exact number. Okay. I have a guess. Cool. All right. We'll think about that. Answers at the end, like usual.

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All right, welcome back. With our last section of the podcast today, we've got a bunch of rapid-fire things, but I have a little game I want to play because they all kind of feel like they're in the same vein, of rapid fire things but i have a little game i want to play because they all kind of feel like they're in the same vein which i'll i think i'm going to give credit to the verge cast for at least putting me onto this idea which is something or nothing there's various other podcasts that use the same format but there's a headline that feels like at first it might be something like a huge deal and then you think about it a little longer and you're like maybe this actually isn't anything at all i want to get your guys general thoughts and reactions on each of these headlines

and we can feel it out and figure out if it's something or nothing i think there's some in here where you don't even think you just know it's definitely much quicker all right first one iphone pre-order weekend demand was lower than expected now that at first seems like it could be a big deal, but some details, overall iPhone sales were down 12 and a half percent year over year versus iPhone 15 sales at this same point. Uh, pro series is the main slump. They're down 27% and pro max is down 16%, but the base 16 plus was up 48% and standard was up 10%. So they're kind of clearly the base ones are more popular this year but the pro

max is still the most popular by far something or nothing something something because we talked about how the regular phones are really exciting and clearly the industry is like regular people are agreeing sales volume agrees even if they they don't listen to our podcast. Yeah. They do, though. Right. All the people who buy these phones listen to the pod. I think, yeah.

Yeah, it feels. Even though it's funny because you say that and you're like, oh, regular one is up 48% and the pro max uh the volume shipped was 17.1 million units and the regular the regular unit was 7.3 million so it's max is a runaway the pro max is like insanely popular wow yeah okay yeah nobody's buying the plus huh no one is buying the plus which is really no actually crazy yeah only 2.6 million because they climb the ladder and they're like in the middle of the ladder at that point that's true like if you have the base iphone you get the base iphone that's true if you're already thinking about climbing the ladder and you've gone up is it 100 or 200 to the plus it's it's 799 to 899 it's 100 so it's 100 bucks you've already899. And with just another $100, you're on a pro phone.

That's true. That's true. So I get it. But yeah. But then you want to, if you're going to climb again, you're just going to get the biggest battery and the biggest screen. Okay, just get the Pro Max. Yeah.

All right. Andrew, any something or nothing thoughts? I agree. Nothing. Yeah. Sounds like a whole lot of nothing. But, but, but, but. The Pro Max is $200 more than the regular Pro. I agree with you. Sounds like nothing. Yeah. Sounds like a whole lot of junk food. But, but, but, but.

The Pro Max is $200 more than the regular Pro. It is, because it starts at $256 instead of $128. Oh, the regular Pro starts at $128? Everyone starts at $128 except for Pro Max. Got it. So they made it $1199 and $256 to start. Got it. So they really hike you up the last rung of the ladder.

Pretty far. Yeah. Pretty far. We got you. We might as well come up $200 bucks yeah um andrew okay it feels it's nothing i don't know it's it's still an iphone and it's still controlling 80 of the american market or whatever so yeah i think it's i mean it's interesting to see more people buying the regular models and if you bought a regular model tweet at us because i want to know

if you bought the teal one because it's the best color yeah apple never does color breakdowns i wish i did know the color breakdown the pink is probably gonna be really popular you think so every year we rave about some of these colors and then people buy black and white phones it's like cars yeah like the most popular car models by country are either black, white, or beige. At the same time, it's only the pro models that usually have the boring colors and they do make a lot of colorful base model phones. My out of nowhere hot take is that if they made a colorful pro, no one would buy it. True. It would be immediately the least popular.

Yeah. no one would buy it true it would be immediately the least popular yeah because the people who are like spending more on it yeah want the black and white phones you don't think the people spending more want to be flashier no i was almost gonna say like maybe the reason this is down year over year versus iphone 15 is because like there's no titanium color well there's no like really flashy physical thing that screams, I'm using the newest iPhone, because it's all this Apple intelligence stuff that's coming in three or four months. People care more about, hey, this person knows I'm using the latest iPhone. Beyond the colors, too, they changed the camera array on the standard ones,

whereas the pros look exactly the same. Wow, interesting. Good point. All right. Good point. Here's another one. Another one for you. Wow. Interesting. So good point. All right. Good point. Here's another one. Another one for you. Flappy Bird is coming back.

Dot, dot, dot. But it's crypto. I don't know if that was the headline or what I wrote, but still. It's not the headline, but it's what's happening. Flappy Bird coming back. Huge. I remember Flappy Bird. I didn't play that many games back in the day on my phone but

i do remember like five of them and one of them was flappy bird yeah and it had a moment everyone knew what flappy bird was and i guess the ip is being purchased and resurrected and it's coming back not really purchased kind of oh really yeah yeah so this story is really sad um the original creator of flappy bird i don't know if you guys remember this but he voluntarily took the apps off the app store because he said that it was too addictive he had the opportunity to like be a billionaire with this app and he was like i don't like that people are being really addicted to this so i'm gonna pull it off the app store so he pulled it off the app store immediately some sort of firm decided to like challenge the ip for it because it

got pulled off the app store way back in like 2014 nothing really happened with it and then recently a couple of years ago they basically filed a motion with the u.s trademark office that they should have it because he wasn't using it and because he lives in vietnam he didn't get the notice to respond to the notice so he didn't and then they basically took the rights for the ip wow um just for the title so they can't like use his like assets or music or whatever okay but uh they are now they now have this whole new flappy bird is back website where they have like new birds you can play with and new levels. And at first it seems very cool until you look into like the company's

history and all of the stuff they've done with crypto in the past. There is also this flap token that is like inside of the code that they, and you're going to be able to connect it to a freaking crypto wallet. Everything you say from here on out sounds like a parody. I really wish Silicon Valley 2 would be amazing that's all i have to say like only crypto this could have been an episode of silicon valley oh my god this is the humane pen in silicon valley that's true uh i'm gonna say it's nothing because i don't think people are gonna care when it real when it relaunches especially with the crypto stuff agreed yeah nothing also like

something like flappy bird that could have been a phenomenon in 2013 people it's not it's not flashy enough anymore like yik yak was popular back then there are a zillion apps like yik yak there are a zillion apps like flappy bird like i don't know flappy bird there was there was a game on like uh what are the old flash game websites that i can't think of new ground new grounds mini clip like it was just a helicopter doing the same thing way before flap yeah but that was before you had like things that were better than it that were that accessible yeah Yeah. What I'm just saying is it felt like its own phenomenon, not even because of the mechanics or the way the game played. It just all hit at the right time.

Those are really freaking hard. You guys clearly haven't been on the website. The Flappy Bird website? The new Flappy Bird website because there's new characters. There's a Super Mario-style overworld. There's a bunch of mini games i mean it looks cool the flappy bird the fbcu is upon us it looks relatively cool but as soon as you as soon as the crypto thing gets inserted it looked cool i uh well i just said it exists well their seo sucks because

it's not even the right page when you first go to i do like the super mario uh overworld that's cool yeah anyway i'm also going with nothing nothing yeah i'm gonna be the only one saying this is gonna be something i think it's gonna be news for one day i don't think anyone's gonna care that it's crypto they're just gonna hear flappy birds back and start playing it i hope it's something and I hope that something is a giant dumpster fire. Yeah. I hope they get investigated by the FCC and CoffeeZilla and then it gets this.

Oh, this is going to make a sick CoffeeZilla episode. CryptoZoo? How about Flappy Bird? Flap token. All right. Speaking of things

that read like a parody, here's another one. Wordle is now available in virtual reality something huh less than nothing huh in the ground anybody's still playing wordle yeah apparently uh there's an official wordle app for meta quest headsets and i first read the headline and i was like what that sounds cool maybe i'm just like lobbing like letters into a box and like a basketball game it's just like a screen floating in midair it's nothing it's definitely nothing you don't even have to yeah not only that and the new york times is too lazy to also add connections and some of their other popular games it is only wordle yeah it speaks to like the people i think the nostalgia cash grab is my

personal least favorite, like lazy tech thing that happens every couple months. And you're just like, Hey, remember this? You liked it. Well, it's back.

It's like, okay, I need something more than that. This is that, this is like, Hey, Wordle. And speaking as the,

probably the last person here who still plays Wordle, like almost every day, this ain't it. I also think that things being labeled as vr when it is just a screen of the thing floating screen is not really vr yes agreed like this needs to be like my task app idea like like the thing that you can do with vr is you can raise the stakes man like like like i think you get you get your first word wrong, bro, and, like, maybe, like, something slightly scary happens. The gun shoots you in the head.

Like a wall. One of your walls. Oh, my goodness. So one of your, like, walls in your house, like, falls down. You know what I mean? And by the time you have one left, you should be, like, in Mustafar, bro. Like, there should be lava and dinosaurs and, like, it should be high stress high stakes wordle there's so much opportunity for old 2d games to be put into vr and make them fun i want vr tetris where you're

standing at the top of the game board and you have to no no you have to jump down the chute as the piece like you're like parachuting out of a plane except you're standing on top of the 3d you have to like make a shape with your yeah and you make the shape as you go down and go back and forth every time you know bar bar the funny thing is like tetris moves so fast how would you possibly make this move slow down for vr so disorienting you guys ever play speed halo back in the day and just be like that speed halo speed halo no no my god do we have time for this tangent halo too let's save it okay if you played speed halo back in the day i see you i just pictured somebody wearing a vr headset

doing like the ray gun dance i'm just like trying to make a shape on the ground oh good times okay so that's yeah that's nothing definitely nothing okay here's another headline less than uh beats by dre make iphone cases now we have two of them right here they have uh support for the apple camera control they are 50 they show every fingerprint you've ever had, something or nothing. Unfortunately, something. Oh, no. Because the name brand alone will sell a lot of cases. Number one, I think.

Do they sound good? Hold on, I have a question. It has the MagSafe logo on the back. Do you know how easily this could have just been the Beats logo and still match up with the MagSafe logo? And it could have been colored. Where were you when they had these meetings andrew that is a genius it's right here on the side that could just move this line right here wait that's the beast and they could have

had it slightly differently colored to show the magsafe portion damn oh my god missed opportunity nothing that shows how much thought probably went into this they were like hey wait we got like seven or eight cases y'all could you like spin up two or three more yeah there you go do you think they were like oh we've got this new material for apple first party cases but they're really fingerprinty but we ordered way too many what do we do they're like oh fine woven was apple branded and it didn't go well so if we just brand it something different and it doesn't go well we're not really liable sorry that was dre yeah if you go to beats website it's headphones headphones headphones headphones headphones earbuds earbuds earbuds speaker case that's so weird what do you want them to make next

dude make a backpack do something crazy a vr crypto crypto i say unfortunately something because i even though i don't personally think that the brand matters a lot of people probably do um it's the same price as the apple tpu cases and you're getting the beats brand um yeah that's about it you think that we'll see more after this I think this is a trial run yeah it could easily be a trial run I agree with David as in these will sell but I'm interested as if

they will progress yeah okay or in between something or nothing last one YouTube has announced a new feature and I'm not really sure what it's called but it's a place where they've accumulated the top 100 most hyped videos by small creators let's just call it youtube

hype or the hype leaderboard is what it basically is the hype list i think that's what they're calling it the hype list called hype hype okay hype yeah the feature is called hype the feature is called hype okay so what happens is this is a top 100 list of videos that are all under one week old and all uploaded by youtube creators with less than 500 000 subscribers so it's a place to surface videos by smaller creators heck yeah and the way that they rise and fall on this chart is by being gifted hypes and everyone everyone on youtube has three hypes per week that they can give to a new video by a small channel so the videos at the top have the most hypes in this one week period and there is a top 100 sorted by category

i think that's everything there is to this you know we don't have 500k subscribers so if people want to give us a waveform episode could show up here the last oh the last thing I think is... Which is why you should subscribe so that we can't use this. Save us! The last thing is, if you run out of hypes, let's say you've given your three hypes already and you come across a banger waveform episode, you can buy another hype for $2. So, microtransactions. I have a hot...

I have a hot take about this. One, that's what the gosh darn like button is for, you idiots. Two, this is just a way for YouTube to like, they looked at what Reddit did with Reddit Gold. Because Reddit Gold was a similar thing where like it didn't really do much, but you paid real money for it. And it was a way to like say, you this was really good content and even though i think they got rid of reticle which is insane by the way because that's like that was a really good free money maker for them they also did it semi on the sense of like how wikipedia asked for a donation is like you're not getting anything out of it besides these little things but like it used to be it used to say you've helped fund this many server hours yeah of like when people cared about reddit well when it was more

about the community and less about steve huffman's pockets exactly um yeah but my hot take is that youtube looked at that and they were like oh yeah like you'll feel like you're supporting a creator if you hype them because you're buying hypes for two dollars a high and it's like okay but then you're just paying youtube which by the way is not like a small website that has to be funded by the community and you could just pay the creator money yeah chances are they have like super chats available if it's a video yeah and it feels it feels like this is also my concern about this is that it feels pay to win. Like you could just, the bot accounts that are just being spam created, you could just pay a bunch of dollars on all of these bot accounts. At least in that case, YouTube makes money.

Yeah. Here's a theory. That's what they're aiming for. That's, yeah. Because no way that $2 or however much money you'd have to spend to be on this leaderboard that no one's going to look at is worth the amount of views you're going to get out of that leaderboard. Yeah.

So is the way this works just like the most hyped videos show up on the leaderboard? Yeah. That's so messed up. It's literally pay to win. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you get three free hypes.

Yeah, I guess the theory is most hypes will be the free hypes, hopefully. Sure. Here's my other conspiracy theory. makes no sense okay miles has been talking about those bots that just post six names have you seen those it's like in the comment section it's just it just will say like six names it's another new wave yes somebody was making the theory that that's like unflaggable comments and that it gains trust in the the user creator i think it was me it was ls yeah so now my thought is those people knew this was coming so they're trying to make as many accounts that are now trusted because they have multiple comments that are not like that they'll get their three free heights

and they're free and then they can bought those all on the same one on a crypto video i think on a live elon musk crypto video i feel like i can verify the first half of your conspiracy theory which is that uh look i'm going to the creator summit this week there's always questions about spam accounts that come up and every time youtube has it to address it they basically say the same thing which is spam accounts will always be a thing because there's always something to gain from them spamming. And from YouTube's end, it's basically a giant game of whack-a-mole. We develop a new system to help determine which comments are real and which ones are spam.

And then spammers figure out that system and then figure out a specific hack to determine a way to make their account look real again. Then YouTube whack-a-mole develops a new system to find a way. So they're just going back and forth trying to cover up spam over and over again. And I think what you're saying is totally valid, which is one of the newest systems YouTube probably developed was a way to go, look, if you just created an account yesterday and you've left 100 comments on 100 different videos, that's probably spam. But if you have a four-year-old account or you've left a bunch of comments on a bunch of other videos that didn't get flagged as spam, then you're probably a real person. So we'll give that a little more benefit of the doubt. And so what they've decided to do is just leave a bunch of not so spammy,

innocent looking comments on a bunch of random videos to gain that algorithmic trust so that they can then go spam. So they're generating reputable looking accounts so they can go spam. I think that's actually what's happening. That was Ellis' theory. And I think at some point YouTube will have to-

I will take credit for it. Yeah, YouTube will have to figure out a new thing. Maybe it's like comment frequency or style of like repeating the same comment over and over. Maybe that will get you flagged. Like there will have to be new systems that YouTube develops, whack them all. Then they will continue to develop new spam ways

to get around that. It's just something we constantly see in like, I feel like it's like six week windows so yeah this is the new wave um i i have like two two takes about this hype thing one is it will be dead in a year yeah six months six months not even a year the other is this kind of does exactly what youtube always says the algorithm is supposed to do, which is surface content that you like based on engagement. And like you said, we have a like button. We have a comment section. YouTube's supposed to surface videos, no matter how small or how big the creator is, to the people that want to see it.

This is like a nice way of us feeling like we have the power. Like, yes, this is a video that we brought to the attention but that's also the like button but that's always been true with our own engagement so i'm like yeah it's it's kind of just like it's like a cash grab to me yeah do you know what the algorithm can't do make you pay 2.99 yeah i guess it's a win for youtube youtube gets to feel like they're giving us a little bit of power like oh yeah see you made this video chart yeah because the trending page was never our direct input but now also they make some money from hype so yeah i'd rather have three free super dislikes super super dislike wait i'm on board just like

what is it like if i super dislike a video now i can see all the dislikes and then people get to see it and i thought you're gonna say like if it nukes a video and we'll have enough people super dislike something later i think about that youtube that there will be major drama around this within two weeks of launching because there will be some exploit that some channel does and there will be a crypto vid there will be a crypto video in the top 100 hyped videos within the first two weeks. And then my other prediction is that it will be gone in six months. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's lit. I think it's really cool.

I think, I don't know what you guys are talking about. This, who are you hyping first? Look, because dude, I, I,

so many channels I'd love to hype because when, when you're, I live on the sub 500 K subscribers side of YouTube. Like that's my sort of bread and butter. And I notice a lot that like when you're a small channel, you're not making a ton of revenue off of it. You go on hot streaks. You know what I mean? Where you'll put out like five or six videos.

Just smack. They're so good. And then you'll go back to, you know, your sort of like average level. And the feeling I get as a fan when I watch one of those videos where I'm like, yo, this dude's on a hot streak right now. Like everything is like kind of flames. And I would really like the ability to signal that I'm someone who's very familiar with this person's videos.

And this one is a special video that I think has the potential to reach a broader audience. And that's something that the like button doesn't do. Because if you're not part of that creator's established audience, and you get served the video, you can like it. And it does give the algorithm like valuable information. The algorithm serves me great content. But I really like the ability to say like, yo, here I'll do Courtney Victoria's last video.

That shit hit. She only has 30,000 or 50 or whatever how many you know small channel like that person is not going to get traction and the algorithm without people who know the content being like i disagree well here's the problem it's a list of 100 people a week the competition to get there is extremely high 30 000 and this can go up to 500 000 they've lost already they're not gonna have enough people versus the 400 well maybe if i if i open my wallet and that person i got you courtney yeah she'd be so much happier if you just did the thanks button or paid her and gave her two dollars and said this is a really sweet video

i super appreciate it or join the membership aspect of it that would benefit them so much way more fun if it was like creators below 50 000 subscribers well yeah they have to put the line somewhere there's a lot of shorts channels that are like they claim in the thing that 500 000 is where things really make a change or change which is a very 2024 number i think that would have been lower years ago yeah yeah i think like you have a good point and like that's what this feels like it's for i just feel like the algorithm is already doing that because of the signals that everyone gives it if people who haven't watched the channel before show up at a video and they're like oh this is sick i haven't seen this and like it the algorithm goes oh you like that I got all the latest bangers from this channel.

Service for you. And also not to destroy my own point, but all of these small channels I did find on the existing algorithm. Exactly. Granted, but I still think it's tight and I will be hyping. To swap, I'll be hyping

you. Tons of small channels. So get ready. We'll see when this launches. We'll see what happens. We'll be hyping you uh tons of small channels so get ready all right we'll see when this launches we'll see what happens we'll see if waveform gets any hype yeah hype us yeah let's get the 500 000 before and if you're gonna pay money to hype us don't don't instead of paying money to hype us just like give the algorithm what it needs push us past the point where we can be hyped go to your family member's phone, enable RCS, update, and then like and subscribe to Waveform.

And then hype Waveform. Until we can't anymore. The funny thing about the algorithm is if you subscribe to a channel and then don't watch the videos that come out, that's actually a negative signal to the algorithm. Really? Yes. Oh, that's my super dislike.

Yes. Got him. Dude. So just keep that in mind. Anyway, I think we've reached the end of our six-hour podcast, which means it's time for trivia. I'm sorry, Adam. Melina. This is the longest podcast of all time.

Alright, so RCS is officially here on the iPhone. Google did it. Or someone did it. Well, the European Union did it. The European Union. Yeah. Apple did not care about what Google was doing.

I know. That was a so... Anyway. Yeah. But it took a really long time to get here. And a long time ago in the very universe we exist in today, the GSMA, which is a Finnish mobile handset cellular organizing industry body, announced to the world, they announced to the world, we have this thing called RCS,

we're developing it, we have this huge list of industry players that are on board and get ready for rcs to be on your phone what year did that press release come out could i have said the question any more clearly that time yes also it's price is right what's rcs price is right wait this is the question i had you said furthest away from so if you guess a year after the year after the year you are disqualified I don't like my answer anymore

but whatever let's try it great answers on the board guys who wants to go first let's go from lowest to highest. Okay. I have 2005. 2005 is under the year, so you are not disqualified.

2007. Also under the year, not disqualified. 2013. Unfortunately, Marques. I think it's 2008, right? It is, in fact, 2008. I thought it was 2008, but I didn't want to go over, so I did 2007. Anyway, before I pass the mic to my lovely

co-host adam let's recap the scores real quick because they're they're looking a little crazy falling behind marquez 17 points third place uh beth the listener who wrote to us about uh textiles one point david pierce one point. Ellis, carry the one. Google, actually in last place with minus three points. And Andrew and David tied. Oh! With 21 points. Exciting!

I did have some support for my blue healer. Just saying. What were they saying? That I'm totally right. That one was on the fence. But when I have a guy as smart as Adam next to me, I gotta defer to him. Anyway, Adam, take it away. I'm making this podcast 25 more minutes now.

Blue Heeler. Next question. What was the field of view of the original Snapchat Spectacles? Google YouTube hype. Oh, wait, no's that just came out today it is already it is already episode 300 before it came out yes it happened oh yeah for sure

100 air power air power no good product the the the next cue yeah all right flip them and read closest without going over again No, orb. The orb. Oh, yeah, the Nexus Q. The Nexus Q. Yep. All right. Flip them and read. Closest without going over again.

All right. I'm screwed. I keep doing the smallest one every time. What did you say, Andrew? 147. 147. Then I wrote 167. 167.

David? 170. We all have a second. The answer was 115. So none of you got it. Because you were all over. Significantly over. That is brutal. 115 degree field of view.

Can we do closest without going under? No. Without going under. Oh. Hour six of our pod. This has been great. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening.

Also, thanks for subscribing. Thanks for hyping. Thanks for liking. And we appreciate you for all those things. Oh, no. That, thanks for subscribing. Thanks for hyping. Thanks for liking. And we appreciate you for all those things. Oh, no, that's going to be a new call to action. Thanks for hyping. Hype my video. If I get 100,000 hypes on this video.

I will give away a product and do an illegal lottery. And then I'll immediately pass $500K and then I cannot abuse the system anymore. Thanks for updating your friends and family's iPhones to iOS 18. Thanks for doing that too. Okay. Catch you guys next week. Bye. Wave from our spruce by Adam Molina

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