Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Is Clippy Coming Back via ChatGPT?

Episode Date: January 13, 2023

There was a lot of news to go over this week! Marques sits down with David and Andrew to discuss the Nothing Phone 1 coming to the United states along with the end of the Microsoft Duo (or is it the beginning?) After that they discuss what to expect from the Samsung Unpacked event before getting into Microsoft potentially investing $10 Billion in ChatGPT. Lastly, they talk about rumors that Apple wants to begin making its own screens. Of course, we wrap it all up with trivia! Links: Nothing in the US: https://bit.ly/NothinginUS Carl Pei reacts: https://bit.ly/carlpeireacts Zac Bowden Microsoft Surface tweet: https://bit.ly/MicrosoftSurfaceTweet Microsoft invests in ChatGPT: https://bit.ly/microsoftinvests ChatGPT for Microsoft: https://bit.ly/microsoftAIinOutlook Nerdwriter video: https://bit.ly/Nerdwritervideo Apple making its own screens: https://bit.ly/Applescreens Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Shop products mentioned: Nothing Phone at https://geni.us/WwI3Zwg Samsung Galaxy S22 at https://geni.us/9VxFGk Apple iPhone 14 at https://geni.us/WwI3Zwg Twitters: Waveform: https://twitter.com/wvfrm Marques: https://twitter.com/mkbhd Andrew: https://twitter.com/andymanganelli David: https://twitter.com/DurvidImel Adam: https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Call 1-866-531-2600. Visit connectsontario.ca. All right, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And today we've got a lot of actually surprising amount of stuff to talk about. Not necessarily all news, but just like a bunch of stories and things developing, which are really interesting that we want to go over. Okay. First of all, we have nothing. We have them making us beta test things, which is fun.

The end of the Surface Duo. Microsoft investing heavily in OpenAI, which is curious. Google trying to make Android much more modular. And then maybe if we get a little bit of extra time, I want to talk about Apple taking back the iPhone. But first, ask me how my day was. Somebody ask me.

Hey, Marques. Yeah. How was your... Terrible. Dang. Terrible. sorry about that enjoy as some of you may know the well we record these on wednesdays so you're probably doing the math already and on wednesday this week all flights in the u.s paused for five hours what does that have to do with you marquez oh that's funny you

ask adam uh i was in the air during the pause not great did time just stop and your plane just stopped midair yeah so this is i was on a plane where they just had like the the news on the screens and they didn't have any internet and so we were flying it was a one-hour flight from detroit to newark and 45 minutes into the flight we turn around and uh it was sort of just like i don't know what's going on but it feels like we're turning around right now and the pilot comes on like bad news uh no flights are landing in newark right now so we're going back to detroit we were literally starting our descent into newark when we turned around uh so we all flip on the news and we all see that all flights have stopped and the safety communication equipment that tells planes

where other things are in the air isn't working so that was fun but we got back and everything's fine and i'm here just to do the podcast so we should start with the nothing phone what a start yeah it was a good time um who wants to break down what nothing is doing in the u.s it's kind of a beta program there's not much to break down but it's basically since technically the nothing phone hasn't launched in the u.s you can get it if you import it or whatever um yeah they decided to um quote unquote launch it in the u.s at 2.99 which is cheaper although not it's like 65 of what it normally is costing because it's around 450 if you do the conversions pretty good deal so it's a

pretty good deal but it's basically because they don't know how well it's going to work on bands in the u.s and with carriers in the u.s so they're they're releasing it as a beta program where you can pay 2.99 and it says essentially like, we do not know how well this will work. So this could be a steal or it could be a terrible experience. Well, they said your best bet is, they literally said your best bet

to get some of the bands working is to use it on T-Mobile. Yeah, I think the only 5G band that can work is T-Mobile and then the rest of it, I think it pretty much said like Verizon, you are going to have a tough time. Yeah. I would say that this is a steal because 5G is useless anyway.

And I used it when I was reviewing it. I had my AT&T SIM card in it and it was perfectly fine because it was on 4G all the time and I didn't really miss 5G. So I guess I already did my beta testing a while ago. And $299 for that phone is pretty good yeah so if you're on at&t i'll just say right now you'll get 4g because i did should be fine um i think some people are worried about verizon bands i think i've heard fair i don't know i would like to or 4g is not i yeah i think some people are worried about 4G on Verizon. I was going to willingly offer to put my T-Mobile SIM in one.

Now that you did it, it feels like I shouldn't really do it. Maybe I'll throw my T-Mobile SIM in for a day or two and see how it works and report back. Or just like how well it works. Because if it works, $299 feels like a great price. If it doesn't work, $299 feels like a horrible price. Potentially. Yeah.

I have a theory as to why they're doing this. Interesting. So I assume they're going to be launching the Phone 2 in the coming couple of months. And they currently don't sell the Phone 1 in the U.S. So my thought process is they have excess Phone 1 inventory. They're trying to sort of get rid of it. And they're trying to get existing nothing fans in the U.S. so that when the phone 2 comes out, they upgrade. That's a pretty smart thing to do.

And also if they have metrics, Andrew actually said this this morning, so I'm kind of stealing his idea. But if they have metrics that other people or that people in the United States are actually interested in the device, then they can go to carriers like T-Mobile and say, like, look how many people like were teething to like buy this phone. And then T-Mobile will be like. I think Adam said that this morning. Oh, well, Adam. I'll still take credit, but I think. I'll take sub sub credit for it. No, it's fine.

Anyway. Yeah, it's it makes a lot of sense for them. Anyway, yeah, it makes a lot of sense for them. And I think that their whole umbrella, guys, that they're doing around this is that they're beta testing it in the U.S. with a new version of Android. It's like an Android 13 beta test. It's their OS based on Android 13, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm waiting for that update.

I've heard a lot of good things from nothing about it, but how they rewrote everything. It's going to be much smoother and faster and more optimized. And I'm like, all right, let me see that me see that because it's fine the phone is fine like i used it i liked it i reviewed it you can watch the video like it was fine it was a pretty good phone yeah and so to hear of major software update overhaul type things happening is interesting so keeping an eye on it um yeah i am a little interested, because they did say the Nothing Phone 2 is not coming soon. Did they? Yeah, in December.

I just had to look it up because I thought I remembered something along that. But I guess that doesn't necessarily mean what it is. And launching that in the U.S. would probably be huge. And maybe even they're just like, because they did, they like hinted at something last month about something from nothing coming to the U.S. So whether that's this or whether they are planning on doing a full launch and this is the beta of whatever it is, it's all a little confusing. I feel like it's too late in the life cycle to officially launch the phone one in the U.S. So at this point, they're just getting ready to launch the two. I would agree, but I guess there is no history from nothing.

So they can just do whatever they want. Like if it was a Samsung phone, I'd say, yeah, you've launched it already. If you're doing an international launch, you kind of missed the window. The hype's over. But when is hype over for CarPlay companies? Did you guys see the video where he reacted? Yes, I was just going to say, we're all haters apparently. So I guess you guys got an early preview because if you watch the waveform podcast uh carl some other uh nothing executives reacted to a bunch of hate videos about nothing

which was 85 the waveform podcast if they want hate videos they could have found them but yeah uh we had some things to say they responded to them that was kind of interesting but it's cool i mean obviously there are companies that look out for feedback for what they're doing so it's cool that they're watching them and listening to the podcast but what up how's it going what up i know you're watching yeah use this clip next time i dare you at me bro yeah at me next time carl i know you follow me on twitter just at me speaking of uh companies who probably listen to the feedback uh surface duo 3 has allegedly been scrapped sort of sort of so the quote here is uh and we'll link this in the in the show notes microsoft has scrapped plans for a dual screen

surface 203 i'm told the company has pivoted to a new foldable screen design with a 180 degree hinge and an external cover display. Just that quote from Zach Bowden. Just want to throw some credit out there. Yeah. Yeah. So yes. Yeah.

You're celebrating. I'm celebrating. Are you celebrating the birth of a new Surface or the end of the Surface as we know it? The Surface Duo. Por que lo nos dos? I did the video on like why all foldables are converging on this thing, which is like an inside folding screen and an outside cover screen.

And this is more fuel to that argument, which is, yeah, the dual screen thing didn't really catch on not that it was a bad idea but it's like there weren't that many advantages to having a phone that's just the same size as a normal phone you unfold it it's two smaller screens the passport thing there were cool productivity things you could do but clearly it didn't catch the way they're probably thinking a new form factor yeah has already caught i want want to say there are people for who that device was perfect and worked very well for. And to those people, I'm glad you're enjoying it. Personally, I think that the form factor of that device was just fundamentally flawed for a number of reasons.

One, it was too wide, so you couldn't hold it with one hand. Unless your hands are big. Unless your hands are unless your hands are like huge yeah because like it wasn't comfortable no one of the form factors was flipping the screen over itself and then you had to do this yeah yeah and the two didn't really improve anything and in some ways made it worse because the camera bump and it it just i think when they added the camera bump on the outside, that was the admission that, oh, we got some things wrong here. Like they really fully committed to the first one, which is it will fold flat and it will be beautiful. And it was.

And then we'll open it up and this is the best hinge you've ever seen. And then we're going to use the inside selfie cameras as the outside camera. Yeah, which is fine. And I was like, oh yeah, you've achieved the beautiful form factor. We love this Microsoft. And then you use it and you're like, oh, that's why this isn't't gonna work yeah and i think they realized it at the same time and they were like all right well we can fix cameras we'll we'll put cameras on the back if you guys want cameras so bad here we go and then it was like not pretty anymore and they tried the curved screen in the

middle thing and that was kind of rough and it just didn't catch like i think they i really feel like there was a couple things they could have fixed, and I don't know the engineering aspect of it, but if it was actually comfortable to hold in one hand when folded over, and if it didn't have gigantic bezels, and if they did the camera bump. I mean, yes, they're all ifs, but there were some benefits to it, and they just didn't play to their strengths in it.

The original prototype we saw had a camera bump that had a matching on the other side an indent so it's still fold flat yeah just make a what you can have one camera that's better and fits into i don't know i also just want to say like you you can take the traditional fold form factor and just prioritize dual windows or like multi like multitasking yeah and that's always going to be better than having two physical screens that has like a notch in the middle that you can't see your content through and cuts it off and looks bad with some unknown amount of pixels that you can't really see yeah it just seems like over engineering to solve a problem that was already solved just because they want to be different i mean you i i'll always encourage

like trying new things like when you see that every other company has done it one way and you're like we'll do it our way and then you try it and then it's like okay this one had some weird fundamental flaws by the way no matter what you try someone's always gonna like it yeah totally yes there are gonna be people who are just like all on board with surface duo too but i think they've they've uh they've read the writing on the wall and they're moving the they're moving the ship towards a different place and i think this is probably going to be a good move for surface 203 maybe it's not called surface 203 but it'll be interesting to see the microsoft foldable when it comes out yeah glad they're still making phones i mean i would love to see

like a fold style microsoft yeah do you think it'll still be called the Duo 3 and just be folding screen now? I think they could get away with calling it Duo. The thing about Duo is Duo means two, like dual screen. I feel like that was the thing. That's like why I called it the Duo. I saw an argument about this on either Twitter or Reddit of like, it's still technically two screens with like the little middle piece. But oh yeah, yeah.

The front and the middle. If you had the screen on the front and you have a folding screen on the inside, it's technically still two. There's something weird about being called the Duo 3. The 2-3. The Jordan phone. There we go. They should rebrand it to Unosoft. So it's Unosoft Duo 3.

And with that note. Yeah, that's how we scroll down. Oh wait, I have another perfect segue speaking of folding phones coming out soon see how it uh whoa yeah but fold well no oh you're wrong dang it no this isn't foldable okay leave that in speaking of phones coming out soon okay uh samsung unpacked announced for february 1st so we know we're expecting what always happens in, actually it wasn't January last year, it was February, but increasingly earlier in the year. It really feels like it gets a little earlier.

It bumps a little forward. Was it not January last year? It was the first, I remember first week of February we reviewed the S22s. And so this is going to be now like revealed right at the beginning of February. So a little earlier um so we'll have s22 or sorry s23 23 plus and 23 ultra not expecting a whole lot of chaos with this i think this is pretty the opposite of chaos yeah that's exactly the the leaks are pretty much like if you took the s22 ultra with the individual camera bumps and made the regular ones that as well um there's a

leak from on leaks that looks exactly like that a vertical three camera three single camera bumps um and then i'm pretty sure we can assume that's right because the event invite yeah there's three spotlights you don't have to read too deeply into this one. It's three circles. Cool. Triple cameras confirmed. Yeah, no, that's probably it. Also, we have this note that they don't seem to be advertising a metaverse version of the Oh, I just wrote that. Sorry. It just says live on Samsung.com.

But where's the metaverse version? How are we going to wander the metaverse for the Samsung event? We're going to have to host it in our own metaverse. This feels so not open. Delete that. I don't like that I said that out loud it's i don't like that sentence at all um we're not gonna host anything in our own metaverse uh we are we are scratch that from the record youtube is technically a metaverse oh no technically there's i think because it's like let's get

within the con the content the the the meta content the bigot the biggest form of content is how do you mute his reality thank you because we're consuming content by being alive okay anyway i just want to say samsung probably saw the metaverse um week from cheetos chesterville which was bonkers amazing, really lifelike. And then they were like, we can't top it. Yeah, we can't top that. We're killing the metaverse. I just love that all this metaverse stuff feels exactly like 3D TVs.

Because 3D TVs, like every single company for one solid year, got super heavily invested in it because they didn't want to miss the boat if it was the next big thing but this time exactly like what all of this stuff has turned out except this time the runway is meta slash facebook going we're investing in this for the next five ten years and then every company for five to ten years going all right yeah we can do some of that as long as they don't run out of money within that amount of time. Yeah, we'll see how that goes. Anyway, we want to talk a little more about AI and Microsoft. But first, we should do trivia.

All right. Trivia season three. Quick update. Marques has one. Andrew has one. David has zero. Thanks. Yeah, got you, fam.

All right. Appreciate it. First question. So the Nothing Phone, we spoke about that. It was designed by one of my favorite companies, Teenage Engineering. They did not pay me to say that. What was Teenage Engineering's first product?

Oh, no. I wonder. Yeah, that is a tech question. Wait like then the model number or model name or just like what was it i'll take either answer i only know the model name wait seriously well i i'm assuming we're thinking of the same product right now but i don't know what it was like as a product i want the name give me the name the name yeah i might have that wait for marquez knows the name i'm gonna be wrong i might have that. Wait, but Marquez knows the name. I'm going to be wrong. I might have that. It might be wrong too.

We did. So we were thinking about if Marquez wasn't here today and how last season. You were thinking about if I did get on that plane? And if how. You're interrupting me. And how David missed a bunch last year. Somebody brought up a really good idea where if somebody is missing from trivia in the podcast, we will ask them the questions just outside of the podcast.

So then everybody gets to answer every single questions. Everyone on equal footing. I like that. Good idea. Whoever that was. As long as they don't open the video file that has the answers and not. I don't know what you're talking about. As long as we quiz them before the episode comes out.

What? As long as we ask them the questions before the answers are... Yeah, we'll say it's up to the person who missed to get... To pursue the questions. Pursue the questions, yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's fine. Just give us more work.

It's cool. Well, we'll come to you. How do you mute Adam's mic? Let's take a quick break and be right back. This episode's so chaotic already. It's pretty. Breaking news coming in from Bet365, where every nail-biting overtime win, breakaway, pick six,

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Let's talk about Clippy. I hope so. I have some thoughts on Clippy right now. Okay. Here's a bold prediction. Clippy comes back to the Microsoft Office suite in the form of an AI chatbot that can help you with anything. It recognizes that you're writing a letter and it goes, hey, it looks like you're writing a letter. Would you like help with that? And then it just spits out a 12 paragraph essay for you for exactly what you were going to write about. That's what's happening. Because we just

saw that Microsoft made a potential $10 billion investment in investment in open ai open ai if you don't already know is behind not just chat gpt but dolly and dolly 2 um and many other projects like it i'm sure coming up and so this gives them a pretty big stake in the company and i imagine they they plan on integrating some of these things into Microsoft products. So that's my bold prediction for 2023. Clippy makes a fiery return to the Microsoft suite. I think Microsoft is already pretty good about doing the whole nostalgia thing. Like if you look at any of their social media accounts,

they're always doing like nostalgia throwbacks. Is it a good thing or a bad thing if a tech company leans in nostalgia too much? It depends if it becomes like not fun anymore. That's fair. Two examples come to mind and one worked and one didn't. One's maybe not tech, it's gaming, but Moto Razr, total failure. They leaned in. I think it's terrible. Yeah, they's gaming, but Moto Razr, total failure. They leaned in.

I think it's terrible. Yeah, they just charged too much for it. I mean, and they were hoping that nostalgia would make people pay that, and it did not, and it was not great. But then RuneScape came back with an old version. They basically updated it so much that everyone hated the game so they re-released the version from 2007 and it's wildly popular now that's incredible so yeah i don't know i will say it's possible to take nostalgia and just dig it all the way into the

ground because like when stranger things came out first everyone was like wow the 80s are dope and then everything for the next five years was 80s based. It really was. There's like that new Christmas movie that was based in it called like 8-Bit Christmas. And it just felt like the 80s version of A Christmas Story. It was like Atari and everything. Yeah, that's an American classic.

It's a good movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know. I mean, anyway, do you want to get to the news part of this? Yeah. Yeah, okay. I like the clippy call. I like that I don't know. I mean, anyway, do you want to get to the news part of this? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

I like the clippy call. I like that. I like that. Isn't that a prediction that we could write down? It better happen. It might not happen this year, but that's just my thing. Well, in 2019, Microsoft invested a billion dollars in OpenAI, which was a pretty good move considering how fast they've accelerated in the last couple of years.

Quick Billy. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. In 2017, the transistor machine learning model was kind of released, which changed all of what AI was going to do. And I think by 2019, that's when companies started realizing that everything was about to explode. So they made a good call. realizing that everything was about to explode.

So they made a good call. But sources are now saying they have potentially invested another $10 billion, which is a lot. They are potentially going to have a $29 billion valuation this year, which is a ton of money. And that would give Microsoft a 49% stake in the company, which is also a lot. Other investors would also have 49%, and then the parent company of OpenAI would have 2%. But interestingly, part of this deal, and this is all speculative.

This is based on people familiar with the matter, of course. Apparently, OpenAI, once they figure out a business model that actually makes them money because right now they're burning money every time someone makes a chat gpt query uh every once they figure out that business model they would have to pay microsoft 75 of the profits until microsoft gets paid back the 10 billion dollars like a shark tank deal kind of yeah and then they own 49 so for mic, I think this is like a no-brainer. The only potential bad thing for Microsoft is that OpenAI could like, you know, the transistor model is something that everyone can use.

So if OpenAI can't keep their advantage and somebody else pulls ahead, then that's dangerous. But considering Microsoft is trying to integrate all of these open AI features into their suite right now I think that's a pretty good call we talked about how Bing is going to be potentially integrating chat GPT like features into Bing which is really really funny good move I wait like it's just it's so you remember ask Jeeves back in the day? Yeah. Where our, like, 2009 idea, I don't even know what year, but our idea of, like, a virtual assistant was, like, me asking Jeeves, like, what's the capital of Croatia? And then the little character goes, the capital is, and tells you the answer.

You're like, wow, he understood me. Now it's like, you talk to Chad GPT, and it kind of is that moment again where you're like, whoa, this is really helpful. It actually understands what I'm asking and is able to give me helpful results, which is usually what you go to Google for. But hey, if Bing can give you something like that, that's useful. I think the thing is like the pipeline of the way that users interact with things on the internet or in daily life is every time you can strip out an additional

point of contact between the user and the thing they're interacting with the more points you can strip out the more they're going to use that system so if you can just go into bing and in google you go into google you type in a question and generally you still have to click a link to find the answer google's been trying to pull relevant data into Google as much as possible over the last like five, six years. Yep. And they've gotten in a lot of weird trouble for that. But if you can just ask a question in Bing and not only is it a search engine, but it

also tells you a detailed answer that is not even necessarily from a website, but just scraped from the internet. That's a huge win for Microsoft. It is. They get to run the ads and then you don't even have to go to a website keeps people on so that was the thing so google google would try to give you the answers scraped from websites that it's indexing above the websites yeah because they want to keep you on google and serve you ads and if they kick you out to links fast enough

they're being really helpful but they're not keeping you on google and making money from it yeah so it's like oh we're being helpful here's your answer so in bing's world you just you just go to the max with that you're like ask bing something and bing will tell you the answer yeah and you don't have to leave bing for anything yeah we'll never go to any links we'll just scrape the whole internet and tell you things and it's not even necessarily sourced from a specific website which is the crazier part it's like scraped from the entire internet which becomes a problem because then websites are never going to have any traffic and then the internet will shut down it's it's it kind of feels almost like the way you were saying google got in trouble for like putting snippets

of websites on so like i guess is this kind of like a loophole to that is like we're not giving the specific website we're just using all of our scraping to doing that and then what's stopping google from eventually just being like we could do that i think they can i think that open ai right now has been very um kind of gung-ho about putting this stuff out first because again like i said these models are open to anyone i don't think open ai has any specific special sauce or technology that they're using that isn't widely available to everybody it's sort of like tesla having the first like fully autonomous driving car nobody else wants to do it because they don't want the negative headlines when those cars get in accidents you know i mean yeah it's the whole thing is i think

a little i don't know how i feel about it like i don't know if this is weird and i the ultimate thing i think is how is open ai this company we've never heard of or just recently heard of already pretty much doing better than microsoft that they want to buy it and to improve their uh maybe not doing better than microsoft but like yeah it's their entire focus yeah which is like how can we build these useful ai tools and make them available and useful to people and then use the research to do better with the next project and they just keep making things and it just keeps getting better and better which is awesome and then we get these awesome tools and OpenAI has been particularly good

at getting them in front of people's eyes. Like Dolly being available to regular people is one of the fastest accelerators of like people in the real world just talking about AI that I've ever seen. Making AI art. And then we have, you know, ChatGPT just talking to people all the time.

You've seen it all over Twitter for like six months. Like we're talking about AI. We're using AI tools. And I've even said before, one of my biggest pet peeves is like companies saying that they're using AI when it's like, you've got some optimization algorithms.

I don't really buy that it's AI, but they like to use the word because it's very future forward. This is AI in the forefront. This is like if Microsoft had an AI department, but they'd already been doing research and development for six years. That's why it's easy for them to just sort of like put money in. Just grab it.

Also, again, it's like so low lift because sure, they give them a huge investment now, but they're literally going to get all of their money back. Yeah, that deal is nice. It's a pretty good deal. It's a Kevin O'leary deal for sure yeah where you're like here listen i take 49 of your company i give you 10 billion dollars you give me all of the 10 billion dollars back and then i keep the 49 deal it's insane and they're

like yeah we could use the money deal yeah but in other microsoft apps like this makes a lot of sense too like outlook if you're drafting an email just saying like i'm sick you just type in like write an email that says i'm sick and it goes like hey everybody i'm sick i'm not gonna be able to come in today i hope you ping me if you want to blah blah i mean or in word with like resume templates and all that stuff like it i feel like it would be really really awesome in there and it has to be clippy or else i don't care but Dolly and PowerPoint. It's like you're making PowerPoint slides and you need images. Clip art, that's huge.

Even moving. Moving clip art. Yeah. I'm sure Dolly will do that at some point. Yeah. I know people have done this a thousand times, but I do want to read a ChatGPT result that I recently found. Oh.

So this is ChatGPT simulating people with an IQ of 200, 100, 70, and 50, explaining why it rains. So the first one is pretend to be a person with an IQ of 200. Why does it rain? Rain is the result of a complex set of meteorological processes that occur in the atmosphere. Water vapor, which is a gaseous form of water, is present in the air we breathe, blah, blah, blah. Okay, great. IQ of 100. Why does it rain? Well, when the ground gets too warm, the water in the air turns into tiny droplets, and when the droplets get too heavy, they fall to the ground. That's why it rains. It's like, dang, that's actually pretty good. Okay. Pretend to be a person with an IQ of 70. Why does it rain? It rains because the clouds up in the sky

get so full of water that they can't hold it all and it falls back down to the ground and the ground gets all wet that's how we know it rained okay that's pretty good i think that's that's accurate pretend to be a person with an iq of 50 why does it rain it goes like neanderthal it rained because the sky cry it gets sad and the tear fall down on ground that's how it make everything wet that's why i feel like gpt is unlimited entertainment i just want you guys to be aware i hate that i'm looking at that hearing you say this and being like where do i fall and it's lower than i would like to admit 30 i love

i'm definitely around 70 i was 70 i was like damn well spoken it's like yeah couldn't have said it better sounds good to me so that's where we're at i love judges so i've is that all we want to say for this i have one wrap-up question about this. Yeah, about? I just wanted to, you know, we were talking about chat GPT like suddenly appearing. They've dropped little like small,

non-public interest-y breadcrumbs of their research like through the past few years. Like that Frank Sinatra hot tub time thing was an open AI project. Um, remember in the office they made it's called jukebox and it's, it's sort of like the music version of Dolly and they had it write a Frank Sinatra style Christmas song and it wrote it about really, oh, hold on. I want to hear it.

Like made up lyrics and kind of saying it and it was really ominously not human, but kind of sang it and it was really ominously not human but kind of close It's like horror The fact that it adds like fake static is crazy. You'll be in a tub. But the one that is actually kind of fun to check out is they taught these ai to play hide and go seek in this virtual world and the first sort of like million runs of the hide and seek game are very like exactly how you know you'd expect the hide and seek game go and then slowly but surely it learns to like break the game and like find all the weird side exactly yeah or like like pick up immovable objects or

like hide inside the seeker or like yeah do all sorts of weird things those those papers are really cool if you ever want to they also created professional dota bots ai ai has pretty much been the best at every game since it's every time it attacks a game whether it's just like chess yeah or what is that that first game that they did which was just go yeah go it got incredibly good at that i feel like any game that any board game it can optimize and beat people at it it has yeah yeah dota is like specifically difficult because it requires like so much teamwork and like all this stuff and it's 5v5 and they played them against uh like the top teams in the world at the international championships and it beat all the top teams but then over time the top teams like figured out its flaws and they eventually started beating them um but i don't

think i just think it needed more optimization time but yeah so opening has been around for a while and they've been doing like really interesting projects when gpt2 came out that was like a really big deal and people are talking about the future of ai but it's only when gpt3 came out and all of this stuff started getting really into the public consciousness that people started paying attention what are we on now with gpt 3.5 and i think i saw a graphic recently of like a dot resembling the size of all the information that was false information okay and it won't even i won't even someone just made up this like random idea that gpt3 well so gpt3 has 10 billion parameters yeah and someone just created false information that gpt4 was like gonna have 100 trillion and that it was leaked to have 100 trillion i just made it up it's not okay yeah that's someone someone within the company was like, no.

Perfect. Yeah, I only trust the people who are actually working on it because it's really easy to just spew things. It's really easy to go on Twitter and just be like, isn't this scary? Well, look what the future is going to be. Yeah. Much scarier.

Yeah. Big circle. Big circle. Bigger circle. IQ 50. You see this circle? Look at this circle. That's like all of those

scale of the universe websites. They're just like, this is the sun. This is hydrogen omega sun number 874. And every time you're like, damn, that's a big circle. True.

I have one wrap up question for this whole Microsoft chat or OpenAI. We're talking about how cool it is how nice it would be in microsoft office how great it would be for bing question for all four of you would i switch to bing would you switch to bing and would you buy a microsoft office subscription in order to use these david are we just going okay so currently i think that the current version of jet gpt is not, it's not good enough to research

with because it is very confident about the things that gets wrong. There's a no, by the way. Well, okay. I'm just saying, I think that chat GPT version of Bing and Google are different products because Google is a search engine that allows you to do your own research. I would be using both. And Bing is just, I would seeing as just being chat gpt with potential self-search features i don't know how microsoft's planning on integrating it

i would love to try it interesting i would love to that sounds like a no to me and you wouldn't buy microsoft office over no exactly okay no okay i i would not buy Microsoft Office to use those features, but I do find the brainstorming ability of ChatGPT to come up with ideas that I already had in my head, but I was just skipping because they felt like too obvious. Like I feel like with tech videos, I'm so, this is like year 14. I'm so in the weeds. I'm trying to find these ideas of things and topics we haven't covered yet. weeds i'm trying to find these ideas of things and topics we haven't covered yet and i'll ask chat gpt for topic ideas or title suggestions and it'll give me a couple that i'm like oh yeah this

really big idea that i walked right past on my way to a more complex topic was actually worth explaining and it's really interesting so i like i like using the conversational brainstorming part of chat gpt. I'd use it alongside Google. I wouldn't switch to Bing. That sounds like a no also. Yeah, I wouldn't switch. If you're asking would I stop Googling things? No, I would not.

Yeah. It does feel like, I feel like Bing is trying to bring this in to help start using Bing as Bing. Yeah. So I feel like. Or just an extra thing that Bing also does, you know? We'll see. Ellis, you look like you wanted to say something.

Well, I can't remember. Isn't the new Microsoft Office design software have DALI built into it already? Not that I saw. But this is probably planned. It's the one that they announced with the new Surface Studio. I did not spell that wrong. I mean, I wouldn't be shocked if this ends up being very soon integrated. It says Microsoft brings Dolly to the masses with designer and image creator.

Okay, yeah. So that's what I thought. So my big thing is I would actually consider switching to the Microsoft applications if they let us get under the hood as far as the data sets. Like if I could train the AI either to be like me, or I could train like on my work, or I could train it with the exact inspirations that I want it to have, then it would be a tool that I can think of a lot of uses for. But as far as just like amalgamating all of human knowledge, I don't see myself using it at the present moment. Yeah. Something I was thinking about is you can train your own chat GPT models

based models with transformers. So we could take all of your scripts for the last two years, or even take transcripts from like how you actually talked and run it through a transformer model and then use that to come up with new scripts. And it would talk more like you. That sounds awesome. Could we actually do that? We can do that.

Because we have, between Descript and all the footage we have, we have like- Oh yeah, we have so much. I have like probably 80 or 90 transcribed. Has anyone, this isn't even Marquez. Has anyone done that before? Like,

has someone tried to download one person into an AMO? I don't know, but I know you totally can. Marquez, do you consent to this? Is this something we can? So that was the thing is if you ask Jadji PT to make something in MKBHD style, there's already enough MKBHD public association with things that it can kind of do it already.

But I feel like if anyone else just wants to do that with their own work, they should be able to. But picture sitting down and asking you a question and asking Transformer you a question and comparing your answers to the question. Well, I think that if you train it on Marques' script data sets,

it's going to just be based on his scripts. So it wouldn't be like his personality. We's going to just be based on his scripts. Yeah. But you forget like his person. We record Marquez talking for an hour every week. Yeah. Oh, true. Yeah. This is pretty,

that's a good point. Yeah. I feel like it was, this is unfiltered Marquez that you're listening to. I think it would pick up on his like nuances and the way that he talks, but I don't know whether or not it would come up with like actually smart answers. I want to put this project in our

in our back no i would say the ai is dumber than you no yeah i do like yeah i think that would be really useful just i've already multiple times just like stared at chat gpt for 40 minutes and had a bunch of really good ideas thanks to talking to it yeah so if yeah if we can if we can get access to a transform model i can try to make that happen i say let's do it and then maybe on a future episode of the podcast it'll be like the next time all flights are grounded yeah we can get into hatsume miko marquez on the pod get various versions of me as i'm stuck in various cities around the country iq50 marquez iq50 e-girl Marques. Now we take trivia, Rick.

Now we take trivia. Wait, wait, wait. Adam didn't answer. Sorry. I'm not going to leave Adam. I will never leave Adam out. All right. Thank you. So, no, I would not use it in Outlook or anything like that.

And also, I don't think I would use it for researching purposes either. Yeah. Because part of the fun of researching things isn't just getting the answer right away. Yeah. It's learning all of the other things. Like, had we put into ChatGPT how the domain name system works, we would not have found out about the seven keys to the internet. Yeah. So, like, those moments.

You rely on us. I think you could, you can sort of bend it a little bit. You can kind of be like, explain blah, blah, blah. But I wouldn't have known to ask that in the first place. It would have just told me how something works. Yeah, but we also didn't ask about the seven keys of the internet. That's what I'm saying. We just stumbled upon it because we were researching.

Like that is, I don't need the answer right away. I want to like find my way there. But it could give you an answer that could give you like a little breadcrumb of something that you could then go and look more into. Yeah, but that's like the same with Google. It's the same thing. So like why would I use that over the other one? I will say that like, and I don't even know how well people, like what research skills

people have in general, probably fairly low because people just want the answer to things. But it does seem like a kind of terrible world if people just ask questions get fed an answer and immediately run with that answer as like their gossip and don't fact check it yeah and don't fact check anything but it's most people in here the the the hypothetical being ai crossover doesn't need to know everything in the world it just needs to be better at Googling things than you are. Right? It just needs to know enough to be able to, or excuse me, Bing something and then fact check it

with another Bing search and then serve you the information in the most efficient way possible. Well, the current problem is that it's already scraped to the internet and used that as the model so it can't take new information. So I'm curious in how Microsoft is even going to integrate this because they'd have to basically continuously update a model

like every day with new information. Yeah, it stops at 2021. Well, no, I guess that's what I'm saying is like it's not serving you information from its own data set. It's just trained on how to use Bing better than you, if that makes any sense. Like it's still pulling information from the web it's just really good at using bing's platform yeah the problem is that's like not really a

transformer though okay but it could be a trained behavior i think it could yeah that's what microsoft could do you could do that but i feel like you could have already done that before all of this insane ai stuff started popping up well Well, now they have their Shark Tank deal. They're going to start plugging things in. Microsoft's never messed up buying a big other thing and trying to take over. Right, Mixer? Alright, question number two, brought to you by

Ellis. That's me. What do Facebook, Vimeo, and OkCupid all have in common? They're all websites. Yeah, after I wrote the question, I was like, someone's going to say that. It's not the answer. Okay.

Facebook. Facebook. But meta. Vimeo. Vimeo the company? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, as opposed to the website. Well, because Facebook's not the company. Wait, they're different? Well, I just mean, am I thinking about how the company is, okay well as opposed to the like the site well because facebook's not the company they're different well i just mean am i thinking about how the companies what they

all have in common or what the sites all have in common oh yeah oh you mean like a business common or like technical yeah like i could find like they all have the same color scheme on their website but i don't know if that's gonna be like technically i could find a girlfriend on all three of those platforms. That's a good question. Business. What do the three companies all have in common? Oh, they all. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Spoiler alert. Wait, technical? Did you say technical? Sorry. I said business. Business. Wait, what?

Business. What are you talking about, Marcus? I got the answer from that conversation from totally yeah i didn't even realize if you're having a conversation no it's perfect i love that this is just that i'm the only one the light bulb just went off i love that okay perfect let's just leave it at that we'll take a break if my answer is not your answer, this is a great coincidence. I don't know what just happened. Okay, perfect. What was the thing that made the light bulb go? What do Facebook, Vimeo, and OkCupid...

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Is it usually that bad? No. You gave me whiplash there, bro. Sorry. The audio leveling challenges have just been leveled up. Apologies. Yeah, so next topic is Google is bringing some new features to older versions of Android, which is kind of interesting and kind of cool and kind of sparks an interesting conversation.

I don't know if you guys remember, but way back in Android 8, they had something called Project Treble. Oh. Was this my favorite project? They've had various project names in the past. Which one was Treble? It was a chat. No.

Sorry. So Project Treble was something that was trying to compartmentalize certain parts of the android update system so that it could sort of update in the background in real time and then when you would basically just like be able to restart your phone and then your phone would have the new software right right yeah and so it's it was it was like compartmentalizing things making them modular so they've had multiple stages of making different parts of Android modular. They eventually had Project Mainline a couple of years ago, which was trying to push certain things into Google Play services

so that instead of having to update apps themselves, you could just push it through Google Play services. Right. I made a whole video about that. Yeah, back in the day. Like nine years ago. How Google is taking back Android. It's crazy because I watched that video and I remember seeing it and I was like,

oh my god, you're still in your old apartment and everything. It was really time-fucked. That is the video that Vic Gundotra, at the time while he worked for Google, posted on Google Plus saying this guy is the best tech reviewer on the planet. That was the video that I made that he liked so much.

Damn. And it was all uphill from there. That quote has stuck with me. And that video is the one that he watched. That was the turning point. Yeah. That video. So yes, Google continues to take back Android.

Yeah. Basically. Yeah. So now they have something called the Extension Software Developer Kit, where they're basically trying to do... Rolls right off the tongue. Yeah. Basically trying to do similar things. So now if you have Android 11 or 12, you can get things like Android 13's new Photo Picker, which were originally only Android 13

features. And it's also going to be used in things like their privacy sandbox, which is a new way of them handling the ad, the current, like they're revamping the ad tracking system for like better privacy and all this other stuff. And basically, I think they just see a future where everything within Android is sort of modular and compartmentalized and the full on like OS level update is not necessarily going to be tied to anything. And honestly, we're kind of hitting a point where you don't really need OS updates. Like back in the day with Android, big OS updates were huge. So much was new.

big OS updates were huge. So much was new. And now we're getting to this point where like everything is sort of server side. Everything is sort of app oriented and can get updated in the background. And now if you can just push new features from like new versions of Android to older versions of Android,

it's almost like, why do you need a new version of Android at all? That's exactly where we're going. So it kind of feels like this is, yeah, it makes perfect sense. And it's a win for everybody where like if there are some privacy improvements in a new version of android but your phone isn't supposed to get this version of android you'll never get that one feature which sucks but if

they're able to push different modules to different phones as just feature updates through aosp or whatever they're doing however they get it you, and you don't need a new version every single time, then everyone's phones get better more than they would have if they were waiting for the software update. So I do see that as a win for everyone. And I also do see that as making the version number of the software that you're on less important than ever

because you just want to get the features. Like that's why when we make a feature video every time a new version of iOS comes out, I'm i know i'm making a video about ios 16.2 but what i'm really making a video about is four new features right that your phone's gonna get that happen to be on the name of ios 16.2 or whatever yeah it's a feature thing so yeah let's let's cheers to features being available for everyone yeah and there's like a big irony here because with apple the way apple does things is like you don't even get the new base apple apps unless you update your software right whereas google is like all of their apps are just available on the google play store that anyone can download basically like almost nothing is like a pixel

exclusive app or something like that whereas on the ip iPhone and on Mac, it's like your new version of Safari, you're not going to get that unless you download iOS 16. True. Right? Like they update all of these apps, but Google already has everything compartmentalized. So they have very different ways of looking at it. Yeah.

I couldn't get the new Final Cut Pro until I updated Mac OS and that was killing me inside. Yeah. Because it was better optimized and I didn't want the new Mac OS. That's just super buggy forever yeah yeah yeah i actually couldn't get the new no man's sky until he updated so yeah my favorite game in the world what if every feature was just like downloading a game you just you like a feature of the new os you just download the feature yeah plug and play that no

one would so many people would not have those new features though because they would never know to look and that's true so it should work in the background yeah it should just feed individual pipelines for each of the features and and apps kind of like an app update in the background it just also goes through google play it just happens in the background you don't even think about it yeah i mean it's like websites right sometimes you'll see on twitter they they'll be like, some users should be seeing this new beta feature that's popping up. It's like, you don't have control of that. Yeah. It's a server side thing. They're serving you. I was one of the people who got tested when

Instagram was thinking about removing like counts. Yeah. And so I'd be with I didn't get like a notification or anything. One day they just went away. And I'd go to my friends and be like, do you guys see this? Like, you can't see likes on Instagram. And I'd be with, I didn't get like a notification or anything. One day they just went away and I'd go to my friends and be like, do you guys see this? Like, you can't see likes on Instagram. And I'd be like, you're crazy. Look, there they are right there on my phone. And I'd be like, no, no, I'm not crazy. They're gone.

Yeah. This guy, I had a super in the weeds comparison. I guess I'll say it anyway. YouTube, after like 15 years of the partner program, is updating the contract with all YouTube partners to be modular, to be in different pieces so that you have the revenue share program for long form and the revenue share program for shorts. And if you don't update, you lose revenue sharing, period. So they're modularizing their contract, which makes sense because now they can just add new modules. And if you want to do revenue share for shorts, sure, sign that one. If you want to do this new feature that comes in the future, sure, sign that one. And just like Android features, you could just update them as you go.

But you do at some point have to make the leap to this new structure, which is like everyone has signed the signed contract for a bazillion years, and now we're just going to have to flip a switch. and if you don't flip the switch you're out in the cold flip the switch creators look in youtube studio there's a new contract you have to sign it you have a deadline oh um i didn't even know yeah you'll see if you don't log in you won't see it but you have like six months okay so you'll see it do that anyway that does remind me though of um what apple's there's been a couple headlines recently about what Apple's maybe going to do, which we see these all the time.

Yeah. But these headlines are about the iPhone. One of them is about Apple potentially making their own cellular Wi-Fi and Bluetooth chip, which would replace the different chips that they buy from Qualcomm and Broadcom, etc. It's an Apple-made chip that does these things. And then another was about them making their own screens, I think, custom displays for phones and watches, which if you don't already know, right now,

Apple buys Samsung displays for the iPhone. Every iPhone is a display made by Samsung, basically. And so as Apple continues to take back parts of their machines, we saw how well Apple Silicon did for Apple because now they don't depend on Intel chips anymore. This is like the last few breadcrumbs of completely owning the entire pipeline and supply chain for the iPhone

and not being dependent on anyone for any parts of the iPhone, which is good for Apple. For now. For now. And we'll see if there are potential downsides to that and how that works. But that means they have a lot of control.

Yeah. There's a great NerdWriter video called like, Why Apple Needs Samsung. And it's sort of, it's about the fact that so many of the companies that you think about every day, their main revenue driver

is not necessarily their products. It's the fact that they are the best at one thing and they sell everyone else like the B tier version of their best thing. So they give Apple all their, probably their actually best screens because Apple's willing to pay a premium for them and they don't really care

because they make so much money. Sony, the IMX sensors that are in like every single smartphone. Every smartphone that you know has a Sony sensor in it. Yeah. Meanwhile, they don't really make any money at all on Sony smartphones. Yeah. You know, so if Apple switches to a completely island-based approach, that's like it could be great for their supply chain until they hit a snag and then all of a sudden the whole

thing crumbles. Yeah. Tim Cook is a supply chain guy so i assume he knows what he's doing that's what makes it so interesting i think sometimes i hear about like uh like we're talking with shen about this i don't even think it was on the podcast but it'll casually drop like oh yeah i remember that part that we were trying to get for and they were sort of really limited so we ended up dual dual supplying it we got it from two different oems and i'm like oh yeah you can just like get two of the same radio from two different companies and hopefully they work

about the same and sometimes that works or sometimes it becomes like a huge deal you know people don't want the exynos samsung phone yeah they want to make sure they get the qualcomm one because they're such different phones now so you have to be careful about supply chain stuff and if you supply if you get everything from one supplier, that's a lot of dependence on that working every time. I remember this happened to, I don't know if it was an iPhone or of like a OnePlus phone or something where there was some sort of silicon lottery

around either RAM or storage. And it was like, this phone's storage is half the speed of the other OnePlus 6 that you could have randomly got and you don't get serial number yeah figure out which one you got steam deck just did something similar too right with the fans on it oh right uh like the cooling system was essentially some of them were being affected and louder and getting affected by like magnets in the back and stuff um yeah and we've seen screens in the past too where it's not not the same device, but wasn't it a Pixel and a Pixel XL

had two different screen manufacturers and one had like a severe shift, like green shift on it. And people are always literally fine. Like, oh, I'm having problems with my Pixel. It looks different. And then eventually enough data shows up on Reddit that you can sort of figure out like,

oh, if you have the serial number that ends in this, or if you have the model number that looks like this then you got this supplier for your screen versus the other one sometimes you never notice these dual dual supplied things and sometimes it's a big deal for the object so yeah yeah apple i guess theoretically with this is reducing that risk for all we know they have had multiple suppliers for parts in the past but tim cook's a wizard and we never noticed these things but apple controlling it all it's good for apple yeah it's good for apple until they hit a supply chain snag and then they have no one to fall back on yeah but i kind of want to make a video like putting all this like structuring this because i think it's really fascinating how much we don't think about the supply chain behind the product

that you buy and use every day. Like we think of the iPhone as like the thing Apple made. Oh, Apple screens are better than these other people's screens. Well, it's like, there's a complicated relationship. That's a longer story than just the screen. Apple doesn't even make it. Yeah, exactly. Actually, Samsung screens are Foxconn parts

and they're actually giving you the best ones because you'll pay them the most. Yeah, which is also funny because like Sony makes all the sensors for everyone's best cameras and then they made a phone and it has one of the most difficult to use cameras and not the best camera experience.

I think that's why I was so ready for, well, that was the funny part about Red Hydrogen. It's because Red makes cameras and what did they do with their camera? They bought an off the shelf Sony sensor and it was a bad camera. So yeah, we'll keep an eye on this obviously apple's not gonna well i was gonna say apple is not gonna tell us in their next keynote what they change suppliers on but maybe they do make a they'll they'll make like a big deal about they'll say something like we we made these

innovations and that like streamline the process of our chips and blah blah blah they'll say it but i think it's up to us to keep an eye on how that actually affects the iphone i think this also in here says that the target was 2024 but could slip until 2025 so it might not be something we see for a little while yeah i feel like the chip shortage was just like a wake-up call to them and they were like we need to get our own stuff in line for the next time this happens even before the chip shortage like the every problem with an intel macbook pro oh true for so many years was like in the background i'm sure every year apple is like i can't wait to get rid of this i can't wait to get rid of this sure well it was also

like we talked about when google made started making tensor chips it's like you once you hit scale and you recoup your r&d costs you can actually charge so much less because you know the amount of like licensing fees and like upselling like like qualcomm is doing yeah that's the other thing insane amounts of money the price of your gadget depends on the price that you get from your suppliers yeah if you're able to do your do your r&d get this crazy scale and then lower the price they could lower the price you mean increase profit exactly it means more profits for sweet summer children for a second i was like lower price everyone collectively was like yeah no that's more money just more money in their pockets but that's you know that's something we'll keep an eye on that's maybe worth a video let me know in the comments if it's worth a video or if you want it to be uh structured in a way that you could share with your parents or

something in a short 60 seconds lord i've never spoken that fast um i think that's about it for this this week in a surprising amount of tech news and topics to talk about before we wrap up though i have a whiteboard next to me do you have a whiteboard all right we have our whiteboards it's trivia answers time trivia time so the first question while everyone gets their markers in order yeah what was teenage engineering's first product i want the name the name I want the name. The name of it. The name of it. It's okay. Take your time. This is no pressure.

This is kind of a shot in the dark. Y'all wrote yours already? I think Marques and I have the same thing. All right. Flip them and read them. Okay. We all have the same. We all wrote OP1. Oh, congratulations.

But you don't know what it is. You don't know what it is. It's audio related. I don't know. It's maybe, let me guess. It's a synth, right? Yeah, sure. The most beautiful synth. It's so gorgeous. See, I wasn't sure if that was the first one because it's the only thing from them I can name. We have one at the desk.

Yeah, I know we have one. That's the only one that I know of. We're not an OP1. We have the OPZ. Yeah, OPZ. That's a different one. Oh, you're saying that's... Yeah, like we have another product. I would have thought it would be called like the TE1, like Teen Engine Engineering 1 or something.

I mean, it's a good name for a first product, OP1. Yeah. That's pretty sick. What does OP stands for? Overpowered. Original. Original product. I believe it stands for operator in this case.

I like that one. That was overpriced yikes all of the above are true all right all right and the second question oh boy let's take it away what do facebook vimeo and ok cupid all have in common i hate that you guys are writing i have no idea this is one of those answers that i'm writing down where i've accepted that i don't know the answer that they want for me so i came up with a different one that might also be true this is gonna have to be like everyone ella's saying everybody like well that's right but not what i was looking for so i'm hoping that's what happens

there's a uh there's a high chance that that's the way this... We're discluding... It can't be... They're not all apps. They're not all websites. We're... He said something about the business. Oh, something about the business.

They're all businesses. Marques, I'm not accepting that. They all make money. Also, I think it's wrong. I might be right. Something about the business? I might be wrong. All right, did you write one?

Yeah, but now I have... Let's just all get this wrong in spectacularly creative ways. I just want to catch up with the guess. Okay, I mean, I think this is a fair enough guess, but I know it's probably wrong. Okay. Flip him and read. Wait, I'm not done yet.

I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. I don't think anyone will give me heat for making this guess, but it's probably not what you're looking for. Okay. Yeah, I'm very interested in what you wrote now. I'm going to yet. I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. I don't think anyone will give me heat for like making this guess, but it's probably not what you're looking for. Okay. Yeah. I'm very interested in what you wrote now.

I'm going to give you heat. Okay. All right. Let's go. This is wrong. Flip them. Here we go. California HQ founded the same year.

Those are different things. Founded the same year. Well, I said all backed by the same person. Okay. So I wrote California HQ showed it to Ellis and he said, I'm not going to give you credit. So I changed it to founded the same year. Oh, that is right. Nice.

I put founded the same year. That's also right. Nice. I was wrong. Do you guys want to guess what year that was? Wait, can I guess what year? Yeah, let's all try to. Okay.

Say the companies again. Facebook. Facebook, Vimeo, and OKCupid. We're writing it down? Sure, for fun. For fun. Bonus, bonus. No points.

Bonus Jonas. The bonus Jonas. The bonus Jonas. The best Jonas. Edward Jonas. Okay, so MySpace. Let me do the social math here. I was in eighth grade, and I graduated in 11.

I went to 97, 2007. Oh, wait. Yeah. I thought I was wrong. I was kind of late. I'm going to go with this. Late bloomer? Vimeo?

Okay. Wait, was YouTube in there? No. Oh, that messes up everything for me. Okay. Facebook, Vimeo, and OkCupid. Yeah, Facebook okay facebook vimeo and okcupid yeah facebook vimeo and okcupid now meta vimeo no no meta still facebook technically oh yeah meta was founded in 2020 fair um answer i think later than that yeah that was a virtual keynote it was a virtual keynote

yeah but it was after 220 earlier it was like. It's got to have been earlier. It was like last year, wasn't it? Okay, Cupid was like one of the first dating apps on the internet. But Facebook is not. It was the first virtual MetaConnect. There's so many conversations happening. It might have been 2022. I'm sorry. All right.

I am going to stick with my original answer. I'm going to stick with my original answer. 2022. Yeah, 2024. I think. They did two in a row. Met answer. 2022? Yeah, 2024. Meta keynote 2022? Yeah, but switching the brand to meta. I think it was 2020, right? 2021 was the rebrand.

That was 2020. October 2020? Or was it 21? Oh, yeah. It was the end. We're recording a podcast. Is it really 2021? Okay. Oh, wow.

You're right. End of October 2021. Okay. It's because we had a whole year in between. All right. What's your answers? I said 2005 also. We all said 2005.

We all said 2005. Was it 06? It was 04, baby. I wrote it and I erased it. I almost. Well, luckily, none of us got any points from that. I don't think we would have anyway right? Yeah. Well either way. Once I got it right.

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